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Nov. 29, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Disney ADMITS Wokeness IS FAILED, Woke NOT ALIGNED With Public Views w/Jeremy Boreing
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tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
In an SEC filing, they're telling their investors, our bottom line is at risk because of the political nature of the content we produce.
Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to all revel in the victories of watching this company get well, go broke, and there's so much more to this.
Because joining us tonight, we've got Jeremy Boring.
The Daily Wire just put out a trailer for their new film, Lady Ballers, and it's fascinating to see the success, the rising growth of those who oppose the wokeness and the weird culty stuff in media, and the failures at the exact same time.
But we have a really great example of this, because it's not just Lady Ballers.
The Daily Wire announces Snow White.
What happens?
A week later, Snow White from Disney, which got rid of the dwarves and is going with the politically correct companions, is shelved.
They're pushing it way back, and they release a new image with CGI dwarves to try and bring back the original Snow White.
Now that is victory.
So we're gonna be talking a lot about that, plus we got some crazy political stuff to get to eventually.
Chicago is building two migrant camps.
It's insane.
Clearing the way, building brick and mortar and tent cities for non-citizens.
At the same time, we're seeing Democrats turning on Joe Biden, and Black and Hispanic voters are shifting for Trump.
Why?
I think in big cities, people are fed up with what's going on with immigration, so we'll talk about that.
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As I mentioned, we've got Jeremy Boring of The Daily Wire hanging out.
jeremy boring
Man, good to be back.
tim pool
Absolutely.
What's going on?
jeremy boring
By back, I mean back in the United States, because I've spent the last six months overseas making our Pendragon Cycle series that we've been working on.
And, you know, it's been fun.
I've been in the two most conservative, two of the three most conservative countries in Europe, Hungary and Italy.
And it's been nice to see people taking a different approach to the problems of our time.
I mean, in particular, Hungary, you know, we're going to get to this migrant thing with Chicago.
Hungary's just taken a no policy to the migration question.
tim pool
Yeah, I think Poland has.
jeremy boring
Poland as well.
tim pool
So the Pendragon thing, I mean, you guys, that's a series that's gonna be... Seven episodes, debuting in 2024.
jeremy boring
Wow.
tim pool
So you've got that, you've got Snow White, you've got Lady Ballers, of course.
I'm sure there's a bunch of other movies happening too that no one knows about just yet.
jeremy boring
Yeah, you know, we're, as with ladyballers, we've got all kinds of things that we don't tell people.
One of the things people have said to me all day today, in fact, one of the people here at your place said, how did we not know about this?
So we went out of our way to make sure no one knew about it.
In particular, with ladyballers, we knew that if people knew about it, there was a good chance they would find a way to stop us.
Yeah.
tim pool
Very interesting.
jeremy boring
The whole time we're making the film, we were pseudonyms, and we called it Coach Miracle, and all of the written materials during the production, you just, you know, everybody's out to stop the kind of work that we're doing, the kind of work that you're doing, so.
tim pool
It's, you know, what's fascinating to me is that We get hit up.
Oh, you know, hey, Jeremy would love to come by.
We're like, we want to have Jeremy on the show.
We get hit up.
We see the trailer, Lady Ballers.
And the day you come is the day we get the breaking news that Disney has admitted their politics are failing them.
And I'm like, what perfect timing.
What absolutely perfect timing.
jeremy boring
Couldn't have worked out much better.
tim pool
Right on.
We also have Shane Cashman hanging out.
shane cashman
Hey, it's good to be here.
Happy to be here with you, Jeremy.
I write for scanner.com, and today I published, I think, one of the most important stories I'll probably ever publish, and it's about my weekend in Ohio catching depraved demonic men who sought to harm children with Alex Rosen.
So you can check that out at scnr.com once this episode is over.
Thank you.
tim pool
Yeah, I tweeted that one out, and I just want to say, What I'm hearing from this story that you've written, I've got people messaging me saying, dude, this is the best thing Shane has ever written.
This is the most important thing.
shane cashman
Thank you.
tim pool
And I'm going to put my girlfriend on the spot, but we had to do like a basic analysis, the legal groundwork.
Like, okay, here's the story.
And I got to put her on the spot.
I walk in and I don't, she's crying.
And I'm like, oh no, like something, something happened.
I'm kind of worried, like why is she crying?
And I ask her if something's wrong.
She's like, no, no, no, nothing's wrong.
Nothing's wrong.
And I'm like, well, you're crying.
And she's like, I'm just reading Shane's article.
And I was like, oh my God.
shane cashman
After being with the, these demons for a few hours and watching them say these things, I cried watching them get cuffed.
Cause you're just like, it's like a release.
unidentified
That's wild.
shane cashman
After holding a straight face.
tim pool
Yeah.
I'm hoping that we could do a culture war episode with you guys.
I would love it.
shane cashman
I would love it.
tim pool
Right on.
We got Libby hanging out.
libby emmons
Hey, I'm hanging out.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I am the editor-in-chief with the Postmillennial and humanevents.com.
Glad to be here.
I haven't read Shane's story yet, but I hear it's not bedtime reading.
shane cashman
No, it's not.
It's tough.
It's a tough read, but it's important, especially for parents to know about, with how vulnerable children are on the internet.
libby emmons
Yeah.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And, of course, sir, just pressing the buttons.
serge du preez
Yes, I am indeed here.
I'm ready to get into it when you guys are.
tim pool
Let's jump into this first story.
You'll love to see it.
From the Daily Mail, Woke Disney admits misalignment between its movies and what viewers want is harming its bottom line after progressive Snow White reboot was pushed back for huge overhaul.
I just I love the financial, legal, academic way of saying get woke, go broke.
jeremy boring
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
We're misaligned.
Okay, we have a phrase for that.
Here's the gist of it.
Disney has warned its investors that the company's products and political views may not align with what viewers want and risk harming its bottom line.
In a public financial filing for the fiscal quarter ending in September, the corporation acknowledged the risks it is taking relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment.
That's amazing.
Disney has struggled as of late to successfully pitch its costly films to audiences, losing a reported $1 billion on its last four high-profile releases.
And I don't know if I actually have... Yes, I do have it pulled up, of course.
Disney's Wish, over Thanksgiving weekend, was another major box office bomb.
And I think everybody knows that movie's basically communist, right?
Is that the general idea?
Are you familiar with it, Jeremy?
jeremy boring
Yep.
Basically, if there really was a God, and if he was any good, he'd give us all everything we want.
tim pool
Yeah, but only in this movie it's a white man who has the power to grant everything you want and refuses.
jeremy boring
God, he's a white dude.
tim pool
He's a white dude, alright.
shane cashman
It's a documentary.
jeremy boring
That's what it is.
libby emmons
It's a documentary.
tim pool
Yeah, so the big news here is they pushed back Snow White, which shows not only are they admitting to their investors What we are doing is failing.
They're taking corrective measures.
jeremy boring
Well, obviously, the entire sort of team reality right marshaled a lot of strength against, well, first with Bud Light, which I think is the greatest boycott that we've ever seen in the history of the right.
I mean, we've never been very good at that sort of taking economic action, punitive economic action against anyone.
And after Dylan Mulvaney, they, you know, they laid the Bud Light low.
But now with Disney, you saw the entire right wing really come out against them.
And Daily Wire, I'm proud to say we took direct action, and on the 100th anniversary of Disney, back on October 16th, we announced the launch of our kids' platform, BentKey, which is, of all the things we've ever built, it's the thing I'm the most proud of.
We've got 18 series on there, four of them original, two of those, Chip Chilla, our first animated series, and A Wonderful Day with Mabel McClay, I think are both Genuinely wonderful shows.
I'm very proud to have played a role in bringing them to life.
But we also announced that we were going to make our own live-action adaptation of the Grimm's Fairy Tale, Snow White.
And we were doing that in particular because Rachel Ziegler, the Disney's new Snow White, had been so outspokenly against...
Snow White, the film that made Disney into the powerhouse that it is, the 1937 animated film, and she said things like, you know, we're not gonna make a movie like that, that movie had all kinds of problems, you know, it had, we're not gonna make a movie where the prince saves the princess or any of this stuff.
What's beautiful about that, well, what's awful about it, obviously, is that she's saying that the actual company for whom she works, a company with the most brand loyalty of any company maybe in all of history, is somehow poorly founded, somehow had bad values, and she's far, far better of a person than Walt Disney was.
But what's beautiful now is, if you look at what Disney's going to do with the film, you know, you said it, almost less than two weeks later, they completely changed course on their adaptation.
They are now going to make a more faithful adaptation, and Rachel Ziegler has to actually be in the movie that she hates.
tim pool
I'm just imagining, when you're talking about this, you're making the snow white, I'm imagining that you're driving this little buggy behind these semis, that gold is pouring off the back, And you're just picking it up and you're like, well, whatever, I might as well take this.
Oh, they threw that out.
I'll take this one too.
If they want to abandon their most valuable IP and the things that made them valuable, I see in so many ways with like Jeremy's razors, for instance, and Jeremy's chocolate, you're like, well, if you don't want it, I guess I'll take it.
And now here's the daily wire exploding in popularity because they're just giving away this value.
jeremy boring
I mean, I'm just a lowly shampoo mogul.
But I came by it honest, you know?
If they don't want the business, to your point, we're gonna make the business.
And someone asked me, you know, what will you do if Disney manages to course correct here?
First of all, I don't think they can.
I don't think that Disney I think they know that something is amiss.
I don't think that they can identify the difference between the parts of their views that are so radical that the public is rejecting them and the parts of their views that aren't.
Because they live in a bubble within a bubble within a bubble within a bubble.
People who've worked for Disney have told us, you know, Disney has basically fired everyone over the last five to seven years who didn't toe that party line.
There's no one left over there who would know how to do this if they were paid to.
But if they do manage to course correct, and if it costs me my business, I'll be like Eliot Ness at the end of The Untouchables.
I'll go have a drink.
We won.
We won.
It would be far better for our culture, it would be far better for Western civilization for Disney to become Disney again than it would be for Benkei to spend the next 100 years becoming Disney.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, the way I see it is, if I woke up tomorrow and Disney was making good family-friendly content, crime was going way down, the Democrats apologized to Trump, all of these things turned around, I wouldn't know what to even do.
I'd probably just be sitting here talking about UFOs or something, and then I'd go skateboarding and I'd be like, I don't need to do anything.
libby emmons
Those would be good shows, too.
jeremy boring
I would just sit at home with my thousands and thousands and thousands of unsold bottles of shampoo.
tim pool
What are you gonna do?
jeremy boring
I would smell great and have nothing to do.
tim pool
I feel like, yeah, you know, the way you describe it is...
I'd probably much rather have, one, solved these problems, and then retire off into the sunset and relax and hang out, get a nice brick oven, grill some burgers and hang out with your friends and have a beer.
But instead, I wake up every day and I am deeply concerned about what's going to happen in this country should we decide to walk away from the culture war.
shane cashman
Can I take a minute to talk about Mary Poppins, my favorite movie of all time and something I wanted my children to see.
One of the first movies they saw.
And how Disney now is the product of the victim of rotten creativity.
They've killed ingenuity.
And I think of what Walt did with With Mary Poppins and the way he built animatronic birds and all these beautiful things.
And the meaning of that first movie, the original one, is about a guy who loses his job.
He's having a hard time at home.
The kids are missing his dad.
Then he got to bring the family together through the beauty of imagination.
And then after all that, he gets his job back, right?
And the new Mary Poppins that they remade, or it's like the second one, It was my first hint at Disney inverting those meanings that are important to me, because I want to go see it without my kids, because I want to check it out first, and I also love Mary Poppins.
jeremy boring
You didn't want to cry in front of them.
shane cashman
I cried because it was so bad, because they inverted the meaning in the end.
The guy gets- the father gets his job back, he's happy, and then finds value in imagination with his children.
libby emmons
That's totally different.
shane cashman
Which is completely opposite of how it should be.
libby emmons
Yeah.
shane cashman
So that was for me when I first started to realize this is just rotten from the core.
tim pool
It is Disney, okay?
So someone needs- I don't know if you guys can fact check me and check this out real time.
When was the sale of Marvel to Disney?
shane cashman
Not that long ago, right?
tim pool
Right, was it a few years?
libby emmons
It was in 2009.
tim pool
2009 is when that happened?
jeremy boring
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay.
libby emmons
They bought Marvel for $4 million.
jeremy boring
$4 billion.
libby emmons
$4 billion.
Yeah, sorry.
tim pool
So, then my point was incorrect, so I'll set that one aside.
jeremy boring
When I look at- Oh, don't let that stop you.
tim pool
Well, no, no, no, no, no.
I was gonna make a point, but I wanted to make sure I was correct in my timeline, but I believe my timeline was wrong.
My point I was gonna make was, Where Disney is now with the Marvel movies versus where they were with the original Marvel movies.
jeremy boring
Right.
tim pool
So the comparison I like to make often is Captain America versus Captain Marvel and why Captain Marvel bombs.
I mean, the first one I think did decent, and then the last one was their worst ever, and why Captain America helped create the MCU and this big movie empire.
Captain America is a scrawny weak man who desperately wants to fight for his country, so much so that he's trying to lie to trick his way into the army.
And then they have that scene where it's Jack Nicholson's character.
shane cashman
I don't know.
tim pool
It's Tommy Lee.
He's like, I don't want this scrawny guy.
I want strong guys.
And he throws the fake grenade.
And then it's the scrawny weak Steve Rogers who jumps on the grenade to save everybody else.
Amazing scene.
What is the ending of Captain Marvel?
She was a woman who always had the power, but a man was keeping her down and kept telling her to check her emotions.
It's a caricature of what feminists think being a woman is.
libby emmons
Well, that's what happened in Snow White as well.
And you had Rachel Ziegler talking repeatedly about how the new story was going to be about how Snow White became a powerful figure just like her father always wanted.
And I remember she said that, and I was like, oh, we're going to cover this for Postmillennial.
Let me dig back and see what happened.
That's not in the Grimm's fairy tale.
It's not in the original Snow White.
jeremy boring
Fierce, fair, brave, and true, I think is what she said.
libby emmons
But she also was talking about the father and doing all the stuff and the father doesn't appear anywhere.
But the other thing, too, is that basically what Disney did was give Snow White the Wicked Queen's plot.
The Wicked Queen is the one who goes after power.
She's the one who is driven by avarice and jealousy, and they gave that to Snow White.
They made two villains.
In that story, they obliterated the heroine and they told little girls love and kindness and caring for other people.
That's not what you should strive after.
What you should strive after is to be, you know, a bitchy, evil queen.
A girl boss.
And everybody knows that after we see them all on TikTok, those girl bosses, they're miserable.
jeremy boring
Also, beauty.
Let's don't leave out beauty.
Snow White is fundamentally about beauty.
And one of the things that's challenging, you know, one of the things Ziegler said is, you know, it's not 1939 anymore.
And it's true.
Snow White wasn't written in 1939.
It's an ancient, ancient fairy tale.
It was preserved by the Brothers Graham, but it probably goes back hundreds of years.
Even before the grim writing.
What is it about?
What is the sort of timeless truth that allowed that story to be older than our country?
Much, much older than our country.
And I think that what the fairy tale is actually about is something that we, it's so foreign to us because we live in a world where we can't talk about reality at all.
And we haven't been able to talk about reality forever.
But there is an in in the original writing.
It's not even a stepmother.
It's actually her mother.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jeremy boring
And even the Grimm version changed that between their original publication and their later
publications because it just felt too harsh.
But that is – but the ancient fairy tale is the mother.
And what the story is about is the very common phenomenon that every parent feels, that over
time your children replace you.
And so the mother gained notoriety or attention or security through her beauty.
And now her daughter possesses more beauty than she.
And if you have a son, you know – I don't, but if you're the father of a son, it's
a very common thing that people don't talk much about.
When your son brings home the beautiful girl for prom when he's 17, the father feels some
pride, sure.
But he also feels some despair because until now, he's been the one that women look to.
And now the son is.
And this is a common tragedy in life, but it's a beautiful tragedy that over time our children replace us.
And in our generation where we live now, we won't even have kids.
for fear of missing out on any piece of life. The idea that we could be replaced
by our kids, that part of our job is to take all of our, not values, although that too, but our value
and impart that value into the future by creating replacements for ourselves.
tim pool
That's what Snow White is about. I just gotta say, I don't have kids, but to
anybody who has that feeling, when your son finally beats you at basketball or football,
that should be one of the greatest moments of your life.
That is you winning.
That is you winning right now.
And when you see your kids succeed, that is you succeeding.
Your whole mission.
libby emmons
The other thing too that happens when you have kids, at a certain point in your life, there's more life behind you than there is ahead of you.
And you can get lost in memories and looking back.
But if you have a child, then you can see so far into the future.
It's absolutely spectacular.
You can see, you can think about their future and their children's future.
You know, my son is already tired of me saying, don't forget to give mommy some grandbabies!
tim pool
I gotta pull this one up.
Let's go in depth on the Snow White thing.
So this is a story from earlier in the year.
Snow White and the Seven Politically Correct Companions.
And I think it's fair to say... So let's go through the timeline.
Here's a photo.
Exclusive pictures of Snow White's seven companions.
One is a little person, because I guess dwarf is offensive, even though dwarf was the mythical dwarfs who are made from stone crafted from the mud of mountains or whatever.
They decided that was an insult towards little people.
But this, I think, is specifically because when they announced they're making the movie, Peter Dinklage complained.
jeremy boring
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
They probably, behind the scenes, were like, okay, if we do this, are we gonna get yelled at?
Okay, let's not do this.
So they released this photo.
jeremy boring
Yeah, the most famous dwarf actor says that it's insulting to hire dwarf actors.
libby emmons
He's the only one who wants to have a job.
He doesn't want anyone else to have a job.
shane cashman
He's got a monopoly on it.
tim pool
So I want to make sure everybody sees this timeline.
From the Daily Wire on October 16th, Daily Wire announces live-action Snow White and the Evil Queen, starring YouTube sensation Brett Cooper.
The bombshell announcement comes alongside the release of the company's kids streaming app, BendKey.
And then we have this.
October 28th, from InsideTheMagic.net, Disney whitewashes Snow White after diverse casting backlash, CGI caught by fans.
So, only about a couple weeks later, they release this photo.
I think that we certainly played an outsized role.
traditional dress surrounded by CGI white dwarfs.
So white.
I think that was you guys.
I think you said this earlier.
jeremy boring
Yeah, I think that we certainly played an outsized role.
Obviously there was a lot of backlash beyond just us, but we took very direct action.
We put our money on the line to directly challenge them.
And you know, two weeks is the speed of light for a corporation the size of Disney.
You can just look at this CGI photo that they released.
It's so below the quality standards of Disney, who are the greatest animators in all of human
history.
They obviously rushed this thing out.
This is crisis management.
And I think that we, if we weren't the entire crisis, I think that we were the most acute
part of the crisis for them at that time.
tim pool
I think it's the announcement of your Snow White that made them say, oh no.
So, the previous segment we're talking about how Disney is admitting to their shareholders, this is from the end of their quarter three in September.
So this is a month before you guys announced.
They are outright telling their shareholders, we are losing money because of a misalignment between the content and the culture we make and what the public actually wants.
That's in September.
The end of September, they know this.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
In October, you announce, and I guarantee there's someone at Disney being like, what happens when Disney's Snow White bombs and Daily Wire's Snow White breaks records?
That is going to be the Disney brand falling into the toilet.
shane cashman
They're going to try to take in their writers because Disney has no substance or stories with any meaning at all.
And that's why people aren't connecting with it.
tim pool
They're going to screw this up too.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
jeremy boring
Well, what they'll do with this, I think, and I think that the photo sort of speaks to this, is it will just be a beat-for-beat retelling of the 37th film.
Right.
Can they screw that up?
Sure, but good thing they have going for them.
It will be hard to screw up because they have one of the great animated films of all time to model it after.
tim pool
That's true, but I think they're going to screw it up.
jeremy boring
Oh yeah.
shane cashman
They'll slip things in there.
tim pool
So if you take a look at the Marvel movies plan after Robert Downey Jr.
was Brie Larson would take over as the central figure with Captain Marvel replacing Iron Man as the centerpiece.
But she was so despised in the press for being this woke, angry leftist.
And to be fair, it's not just wokeness.
She really did not mesh well with the other actors.
Ziegler is doing the same thing.
She is coming out snooty, snide, condescending, arrogant, and overly woke.
I think that's gonna cause them problems for this film.
I think they're gonna, you're right, they're gonna do a shot-for-shot remake, but they're gonna have PR problems because of her.
jeremy boring
Well, I think they've got another problem.
You look at this photo of her with the CGI dwarves, and the question that I have is, is she even in this photo?
Did they do a photo shoot?
She is a living, breathing human, and sure, there's a lot at stake at pissing off Disney, but how are they going to get her to keep her mouth shut about this?
They haven't been able to get her to shut her mouth up until now.
shane cashman
They've replaced the faces of actors before on movies, haven't they?
When someone messes up and they're like, we gotta just replace that person, maybe they'll do that to her.
Because look, they kind of surrounded her with the patriarchy in this picture.
They just took a bunch of white dwarves and were like, you know what, this is what you get.
jeremy boring
There's sneezy patriarch and grumpy patriarch.
tim pool
But think about it.
Maybe it's possible this actress never actually believed any of the garbage and was just saying this because her agent and Disney were like, this is what we're going for.
And so she said, OK, I'll say these things on the carpet.
I think the likelihood is she's woke.
jeremy boring
Well, I'll go a little further and just say, I don't know how she 20 years old, 22 years old or something.
She's just a kid.
I've said a lot of bad things about her lately because she put herself in a position where I need to publicly oppose her, but at the end of the day, on a human level, I have a lot of sympathy for dumb kids being dumb kids.
libby emmons
For sure.
tim pool
You know, but I just gotta say, I gotta push back.
We gotta stop calling 22-year-olds children.
jeremy boring
No, you know, I actually appreciate you calling me out on this.
I went on at length about this.
Publicly not two weeks ago that we infantilize adults by calling them kids, right?
She is young and she's particularly young in the way that our culture measures age today And so I have some sympathy for but you're right.
She has no kid.
She's an adult.
She has agency She's responsible for her actions.
And and I take that rebuke.
tim pool
Yeah, and I think because I was talking about this earlier, too we need to remind like the Millennials are our lost generation.
I'm sorry, guys.
I know everyone's like, but Tim, you're a millennial.
I know, but I talked about the survey last week.
Boomers, Gen X, and Gen Z all say they will be comfortable with 120,000 a year.
Millennials, the one generation, they say they need half a million.
Half a million a year. Yes, yes. And there's some weird thing that happens. And I know she's what
22. So she's actually Gen Z, I believe, then right? It's not it's not absolute, not one for
one. But we need to start telling people like you need to be an adult, you need to start taking care
of yourself. But that being said, imagine she is genuinely woke, genuinely opposes patriarch and
all that. And then one day, like you said, is she even in this photo?
They rushed out CGI, they cranked this photo out.
I imagine she gets blindsided by this.
jeremy boring
Oh, the oldest, whitest Bob Iger.
unidentified
Yes.
jeremy boring
Right? Just takes away her little dream.
tim pool
That's right. And she's contractually obligated. I wonder if she got an angry phone call. What is
this? I don't want to be a part of this. It's insulting and ableist.
shane cashman
Wasn't it not just her saying this? Isn't Wonder Woman?
Wasn't she also saying?
jeremy boring
She was, but if you watch the clips with Gal Gadot, and I realize I'm being very soft here
on all of these guys, which isn't my usual reputation, but if you watch Gal Gadot standing
beside her saying things like, we're not going to be saved by the prince. And you can kind of tell
that Gal Gadot is trying to be generous to this young woman standing next to her.
libby emmons
She's also trying to like, be one of the girls and be on the team, you know, she's trying to have friends.
tim pool
You know, I just, I cannot stand how feminists insult women, and I'll tell you why.
It's not just feminists, I understand that back in the day men would laugh at, oh my wife goes shopping, oh geez, and I'm just like...
There's this article that was put out today that claims women are better hunters than men, and that this universe... Yeah, right, Jeremy's face is like, are you kidding me?
Yeah, they said women actually can do endurance better than males can, which means in the prehistoric days they were hunting more than we realize and were better.
And I'm like, no, just stop.
Shut up.
Women going and gathering and protecting and raising children is honorable and extremely important.
But in this Malthusian political era where they despise the creation of more humans, they have to insult women for being caregivers.
jeremy boring
The greatest technological advancement since fire is not the printing press, it's not the internet, it's not electricity, it's the sanitary napkin.
And the thing that no one really can contemplate in today's day, even women today, a woman today is so disconnected from every woman who lived before the 20th century that she can't really even imagine what life was like.
I know that women weren't the great hunters in days of yore because they were pregnant all the time.
unidentified
Right.
jeremy boring
or had tiny babies that they were nursing all the time, or couldn't leave the cave for one out of
every handful of weeks. Because... Well, and that still happens in Nepal. I was going to say,
you can look at India and Nepal today, and it's still happening. You have to look for it,
but it's still happening. And the life of a woman in pre-industrial times, for this particular
reason, is so different than we can possibly imagine. It just... it's just...
We live on the other side of sanitary napkins and birth control pills, and we think that we know what women have been like throughout all of history.
That's absurd.
tim pool
So they make this narrative, Snow White is insulting, when in fact it is beautiful.
jeremy boring
Of course it's beautiful, yeah.
tim pool
I think it's because they like pretty things.
tropes about women and their desires and what they want. I was reading that why do
women like shopping? Because it's the modern equivalent of gathering. And I'm
libby emmons
like... I think it's because they like pretty things. Well, that's why I go shopping.
tim pool
But why do you like pretty things? Colorful things in the wild, berries and
The reason why women can see more shades of different colors, the reason why women are more likely to be tetrachromats, seeing with the wider spectrum, is because the idea being, and I'm not saying it's 100% correct, but it's plausible, women are gathering, collecting, foraging, extremely important for human civilization, and men were hunting.
So, men have spatial reasoning, and, like, they can map things better, but women create human beings.
jeremy boring
Oh, yeah, they do these studies all the time.
You, like, put men and women in a circle in a room, and over time, all of the women begin to lean in, and all of the men begin to lean out, looking for predators.
It's just... Oh, wow.
We're just wired.
libby emmons
Camille Paglia talks about that with the women in Italy, and she talks about how absurd it is now that women and men are meant to do the exact same type of job.
And she talks about in the old villages, the women would gather around, you know, the well or the pump.
And this comes up in New Hampshire as well, and the growth of the soil and all of that stuff.
You know, women create these communities and it really is kind of tragic that these communities have fallen apart because that's where you would learn things about raising your children.
That's where you would learn things about preparing food and making clothing and all of these kinds of things and now it's just gone.
jeremy boring
Yeah, building community is something that women are uniquely good at.
And, you know, so I'll self-promote for a minute.
We've just released the trailer yesterday for this new film that we're doing called Lady Ballers.
And I give a speech in the film about the difference between men and women.
And I, you know, the whole film, you're seeing men just completely dominate women's sports.
tim pool
Well, let's pull it up.
Well, that's... We have this... I chose the best source I could, Out.com, and they've titled it, this trailer for a, quote, comedy film about trans athletes is the worst thing we've ever seen.
Jeremy, what do you have to say for yourself?
jeremy boring
Well, I'm looking up the article now.
tim pool
I chose this one because, of course, we have to go for the criticism.
It's a well-known fact that right-wingers cannot make good art and don't have a sense of humor.
At the same time, I just want to pause.
Y'all call Joe Rogan right-wing, and he is one of the top comedians of all time.
So, nice try, but let's read.
They say The Daily Wire is reminding us all with the new preview for its first feature-length comedy, Ladyballers.
In a world where women's sports is being transformed, The Daily Wire calls foul with the most triggering comedy of the year.
So of course, they're absolutely triggered by it.
But in real news, we have this story from Daily Wire.
So you just went on Patrick Bette David's show, and the headline is, Jeremy Boring says theaters won't touch Ladyballers because Hollywood has made transgenderism its religion.
But just to get the whole thing going, you put out a new trailer.
It's about guys who find a path towards making money by identifying as women, but why don't you take it away?
jeremy boring
Yeah, I mean, it's all in the name, right?
Lady Ballers.
Here, I'm going to read this from out, though, because it sets it up well.
It says, The premise of Lady Ballers seems to be that any out-of-shape 50-year-old white man is, by nature of being a man, a better athlete than any woman could ever hope to be.
You see, women are just factually bad at sports, this movie states.
First of all, It's science.
involved in the movie is 50. Second of all, we do not state that women are factually bad at sports.
We state that women are factually worse at sports than men.
shane cashman
It's science.
jeremy boring
It is truly science.
libby emmons
Don't you trust the science?
jeremy boring
Men are stronger and faster than women.
tim pool
And this is why... Full stop!
jeremy boring
The left can't... they can't even acknowledge that basic fundamental reality.
Since they can't acknowledge that basic fundamental reality, they can't understand why we have any of the opinions that we have.
They're not allowed to know that it's true, and so they don't know that it's true.
tim pool
But then I would ask, why then do they have testosterone limits?
Why do they have that standard for... So, the reality is, because they do know, they're just lying.
jeremy boring
That's right.
libby emmons
Well, and we see it across the country.
We see in Maine and in California just recently, there were male athletes competing in women's cross-country events, and they were taking home all the awards for sure.
And that's going to keep happening.
jeremy boring
The average high school boy involved in track Yeah, we saw the women's US soccer team was beaten by a high school team.
tim pool
I was talking about this article that said prehistoric women were better hunters.
And the argument was that because of, and it's all nonsense, it's like, because of women, they carry more body fat, they have more energy for endurance, that actually creates drag and more weight.
And so I was like, I can debunk this very simply.
I think actually your debunking was better.
They were pregnant, they were nursing children, so they're not out hunting.
But I just said, okay, I pulled up marathon time and distance and sure enough, men beat women in all of it.
jeremy boring
Well, let me just, Here's a little mental exercise for you.
A riddle, if you will.
Why do we even have women's sports?
tim pool
Because sometimes people wear dresses.
shane cashman
Answered a riddle with a riddle.
jeremy boring
We have women's sports because if you didn't have women's sports, women would never win at any sports.
The whole purpose of creating women's sports as a category was so that there was a place where women could excel.
libby emmons
Well, and that's what Title IX was all about.
jeremy boring
That's right.
libby emmons
And now that's been completely destroyed.
tim pool
And the left wing, the leftist argument is, we have women's sports because sometimes people wear dresses.
But that's seriously it?
Yeah, that's right.
And that looks like the premise of your movie, where these guys are like, wait, I can identify as a woman playing the team and then identify as a man later?
Yep, gender fluid.
The story's actually based on… Sometimes you wear a dress, sometimes you don't.
shane cashman
Germany's movie's based on Zubi.
jeremy boring
Yeah, exactly.
libby emmons
Well, there was a thing recently.
There was a trans-identified male murdered a trans-identified female in Norway.
shane cashman
Just gave me a headache.
libby emmons
I know.
It really happens.
But the Norwegian papers reported this as woman kills man.
But really, it's just your typical man-kills-woman, just like we see all over the place.
Everything's inverted, Libby.
Yeah, it's crazy.
tim pool
This is why I can't stand.
I'm not sure if Fox News does this.
I think they may use preferred pronouns or presumed pronouns, I think is the important distinction.
Presumed pronouns are when these media organizations will use atypical pronouns without actually knowing preferred pronouns.
So, for instance, The Daily Mail does this all the time.
If there is a person that is presumed to be trans, they will use the inverse pronouns, even though they don't actually know if that person uses the pronouns they're trying to, because of like UK hate speech laws or something like that.
shane cashman
When I was still a professor teaching journalism, fictional stuff, the style guide changed and they wanted black to be capitalized but white to be lowercase.
So there's these little insidious ways that they're changing literal language.
libby emmons
I refuse to do that.
shane cashman
Oh, I'll never do that.
It's ridiculous.
libby emmons
It's really stupid.
shane cashman
It's insane.
libby emmons
It's bad enough that we have to capitalize Hispanic, which means person from South America who speaks Spanish.
tim pool
I don't even know if it means from South America, does it?
libby emmons
Well, it doesn't mean Spain.
tim pool
No, it means speak Spanish, doesn't it?
libby emmons
I thought it meant Central South America, but not Spain.
serge du preez
Then I guess Brazil is out of that, huh?
libby emmons
Brazil is not in that, and that's what sort of shows the whole lie right there.
That makes it just absurd.
jeremy boring
Here's a line from this Out article about us.
libby emmons
I love how much you love this article.
jeremy boring
Here's the thing, if you're going to win an election, if like you're way up in the polls, you always watch MSNBC, right?
It's much more fun to read what they say about us than what we say about us.
But I like this, it's not clear if director and star Jeremy Boring has ever written or acted before.
I mean, it is clear if you could Google in the time you did this, or if he has ever met a woman in real life.
And the answer is, I guess I don't know, based on whatever descriptor they might use for How do they define it?
How do they define it?
shane cashman
Holy moly.
I love it.
jeremy boring
This is fun.
shane cashman
I should frame this.
tim pool
So I just looked it up and Hispanic is a Spanish-speaking person living in the U.S.
libby emmons
Living in the U.S.
tim pool
Comma, especially one of Latin American descent.
So you're correct.
I'm close.
The general concept is if you, like Jeremy, if you learn Spanish right now, you're Hispanic.
jeremy boring
Yeah.
tim pool
That's weird.
I don't quite understand, but I guess realistically, you know, there's also a joke in the trailer about trans age.
jeremy boring
Yeah.
tim pool
Where, but this is, trans age was attempted in a lawsuit.
I think it was a professor who did it as an attack on the concept of identity.
It may have been in Europe as well, saying, I actually identify as 30 when they're 59 or something, and the court said screw off.
libby emmons
Well, there's that British guy who wears diapers and says he identifies as a Stefani, like a five-year-old girl or something.
tim pool
Is he the guy who films himself in public?
libby emmons
I don't know, but he was adopted by other grown-ups who let him play with their daughter, which is nasty.
shane cashman
Absolutely.
libby emmons
Absolutely not.
I'd love to see you, Shane.
tim pool
Listen, in New York, New York City, Gender identity is a protected category, which includes gender expression, and gender expression is legally defined as self-expression.
So, I went over this in 2018, quite literally.
The clothing you wear, the name you use, you cannot be discriminated against.
This means everything.
You could show up in stilts and clown makeup and they can't tell you're not allowed to wear it.
It's against my gender identity.
I wear these clothes.
It would be discriminatory.
Now New York is saying, I don't know if you saw this, weight and height.
You can't discriminate on the basis of weight.
libby emmons
No discrimination against fat people.
tim pool
What if someone can't fit?
So think about this.
Someone goes to a movie theater in New York, and they're 300 pounds, and they say, I can't fit in these chairs.
Well, now you're discriminating because you're not providing an accommodation to large people.
shane cashman
Didn't the firemen in New York change the weight requirements years back, too?
libby emmons
Yeah, and cops, all kinds of stuff.
shane cashman
Maybe not just in New York, but I was in New York at the time when I saw it.
Yeah, it's insane.
I don't get it.
jeremy boring
But here's the thing.
We have to mock these ideas.
I agree.
What brought us to make Lady Ballers is, one, understanding the power of mockery, and two, honestly, something that Joe Rogan said about a year ago, a little over a year ago.
He had a guest on his show, and he said, you know, he talks about this a lot, Hollywood won't make comedies anymore.
And it's absolutely true.
Barack Obama destroyed rock and roll, and he destroyed comedy, and he destroyed America.
Other than those three things, great president.
tim pool
He also killed American citizens without charge or trial.
jeremy boring
He made it impossible for us to tell jokes.
And that's why from the 90s and the early 2000s you had great comedies being produced by Hollywood.
You haven't had one since Tropic Thunder because you're not allowed to make any jokes.
tim pool
Are there any recent comedies?
No.
libby emmons
They're not funny.
jeremy boring
You can't make a comedy.
libby emmons
No.
jeremy boring
Really?
And so I wanted to use comedy and mockery.
Rogan talks about it all the time, and he said to a guest a little over a year ago, he said, nobody can make a comedy now.
He said, if anybody was going to do it, it'd have to be one of these conservative streamers like the Daily Wire.
And when he said it, yes, people send you that.
Joe Rogan mentioned the Daily Wire, you know, they send it to you.
But it really struck me.
And I thought, this is kind of a challenge and a responsibility.
If it is true that only the Daily Wire could do this, Then it stands to reason that The Daily Wire must do it.
If we actually believe the things that we purport to believe, and we actually are uniquely capable of challenging this new status quo wherein you're not allowed to make fun of anything, including the most absurd things that are happening in our culture, then we just have to do it.
tim pool
Just anything.
I mean, over the holiday weekend, I'm hanging out with Seamus and my girlfriend, and it's after Thanksgiving.
So, you know, Seamus is from Chicago as well.
And we were all making jokes about our backgrounds.
The issue of family, family history comes up.
And then we make jokes, Seamus started, Seamus makes jokes about being Irish and being the potato man and stuff and we play along with it and he laughs and then we make jokes about Korea and we're all laughing at each other and the left would call them racist jokes.
Yep.
I would just call it me and my friends having a good time with each other and laughing.
jeremy boring
Well, I'll tell you this, in the 90s, we could still make those jokes.
libby emmons
They were good jokes.
jeremy boring
They were good jokes, and there was far, far less racial division in the country.
libby emmons
I remember, yeah, that was very distinct, and coming up into the 2000s, and you're looking back at the 90s going, we were colorblind, we were friends with everybody, none of it was a very big deal.
And I remember distinctly, probably something like 2012, running into an old friend of mine from college, a black woman.
We were hanging out at this bar in Brooklyn.
We were just chatting and she said something that was totally different than what she thought when we were in college.
She said that when people see her, she wants them to see her blackness first.
She wants them to see her race first.
And I was like, but why?
That's not what I see when I look at you.
And the switch was that now it was racist to not notice race.
jeremy boring
Yeah, that's right.
libby emmons
Whereas previously, none of us had cared at all.
tim pool
Cult indoctrination.
libby emmons
And we're from similar backgrounds, similar schools, all of that.
We went to the same private college, everything.
shane cashman
Watching them destroy comedy, though, with their ideology was so hurtful for me, because comedy is one of my favorite art forms, you know?
For two reasons.
It brings people together.
We can make fun of each other.
I love Kill Tony.
It's one of my favorite shows.
They roast the heck out of each other.
They're brutal.
I love that.
I do that with my friends.
But also, like Mel Brooks used to say, comedy mocking people could destroy your enemies, right?
And that's what he would do in some of his movies.
libby emmons
Right, like, look at Rickles.
Like, suddenly you're friends with everybody.
tim pool
Exactly let's let's let's actually I'd like to ask you directly about the film and what can you say about it?
I mean, I don't know if you want to reveal the plot or break down the general premise.
jeremy boring
Yep.
tim pool
What's going on?
jeremy boring
Yeah, I'll say more about it than is present in the trailer, which is that, of course,
we start our journey by trying to become successful, by trying to get back in the game.
I'm a coach, and I get together my former state-winning boys' basketball team and say,
hey, if we call ourselves women, we can get back into the game.
Pretty soon we realize we're being driven to this by my new girlfriend, who is a journalist,
and she has very ulterior motives.
tim pool
But she's excited for it?
jeremy boring
Well, she's driving it.
She's like, here's what we're going to do.
Think of the sponsorships.
Think of the fame.
And she gets the exclusive.
And I'm learning.
I'm hearing all these ideas about the trans movement from my eight-year-old daughter, because she goes to public school, and then I pick her up from school every day, and she tells me things like gender fluidity and pansexuality and all this stuff.
serge du preez
She educates you.
jeremy boring
She educates me, as they do.
serge du preez
As you do, yep.
jeremy boring
But pretty soon we realized it's not just basketball.
I mean, my guys could literally win at every sport.
I mean, there's a really funny line where I'm like, hey, to one of the guys, like, hey, you wanna hang out later?
And he's like, nah, I gotta learn how to do a backhand so I can qualify for the Women's Olympic tennis team.
Although, in fairness, we don't use the term Olympic, because you may not know this, you do not have free speech in this country where the word Olympic is concerned.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Is it like Happy Birthday?
tim pool
That's why I say Global Games.
jeremy boring
Yeah, it's the Global Games.
You cannot use the term Olympics by law in this country.
What?
An actual statute in the United States legal code.
libby emmons
Why?
tim pool
Some stupid reason?
shane cashman
I'm running for president now.
jeremy boring
Yeah, you gotta run for president.
Win an executive order.
shane cashman
When did you realize that in the process, though?
unidentified
Very late in the process, yeah.
jeremy boring
Unfortunately.
Anyway, all of this to say, and this brings it full circle to what got me on the topic of promoting my own beautiful movie, is that toward the end of the movie, I have to make a case for why, even though men are better at virtually everything, now that's a joke, but everything in this case is sports, why would someone who is a female want to continue being a female?
Would they not aspire to be a man?
And it was challenging to come up with a list of things to say in a serious moment of the film that women are good at that people wouldn't roll their eyes at.
And then I wrote, because the things that women are good at are things that our culture has decided don't have high value.
libby emmons
Well, and women decided that they don't have high value, which is insane.
jeremy boring
This is when I realized that, not for the first time, but had it really reinforced that the war on men I agree.
That's correct.
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
jeremy boring
Essentially, what the culture hates the most is women, not men.
tim pool
I agree.
jeremy boring
It's women.
tim pool
That's correct.
I've said this for a while.
Feminism is destroying femininity.
It is telling women to adopt masculine features, masculine roles.
jeremy boring
This is why...
Men are bad, so be just like them.
tim pool
It's insane.
When you look at the numbers, transgender youth, I think one study said 85% were female to male.
libby emmons
It's mostly young girls getting their breasts cut off and wanting to be men.
And what they don't realize is it doesn't matter what they do, they're never going to be men.
They're still going to be short.
They're never going to look like men.
They're never going to have that power.
And they're never going to have that respect.
And it doesn't matter even if you put Jace on the name tag.
It's never going to be you.
When I was a kid, my mom was a corporate attorney.
And she was often talking about how she was the only woman in the boardroom.
And she was trying to dress and be more masculine and stuff.
And the women of her generation, I remember her friends and my mother-in-law and everything, would talk about how they didn't want to cook, and they didn't want to clean, and they didn't want to do any of these things.
And I had a stepmother who all she wanted to do was be a mom.
She wanted to be a stay-at-home mom.
She wasn't able to have children of her own.
And so she looked at these other women, she looked at my mom and everything, and was just horrified that they hated everything that she wanted.
You know, they gave up everything that she wanted most.
shane cashman
The attack on men is like, first of all, let's get rid of fatherhood, role models in the house, the nuclear family.
libby emmons
Which is so terrible!
shane cashman
And then if they attack the women, it's basically they can prevent that from ever even happening, right?
No babies, no household, you just grow up and be miserable, and then you die.
libby emmons
Yes, but the misery is coming, everyone.
shane cashman
I'm terrified.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Of the misery?
tim pool
Single, like, look, too many millennial men and women are single, and they're having families, and Yes, I always preface this with, I am doing my family stuff, calm down everybody, because I know full well the idea of when Chelsea Handler said, she wakes up at six in the morning, smokes, she does drugs, then masturbates and goes back to bed, and I'm like, that's wonderful, I'm sure she's loving it.
libby emmons
I'm not sure she's loving it.
tim pool
No, I think it's a dopamine hit.
It's triggering.
It's dopamine.
But what's going to happen?
What's going to happen when she's 70 in the hospital after suffering a cerebral hemorrhage or some kind of disease and she's dying and she's by herself and the doctor says, press the button if you need us and walks out of the room and then she's just staring at a cold wall with nothing to show for it.
With no one around her.
No future ahead of her.
jeremy boring
My grandfather was buried today.
He died Sunday night.
And it's this amazing kind of rebuke of parts of my life and parts of my life he really inspired.
He was an entrepreneur late in life, very late in life, found success and inspired entrepreneurism in his sons and grandsons in particular.
But other parts of my life are very distinct from his.
You know, he had seven children.
He has 22 grandchildren, great-grandchildren.
You know, he died basically two months shy of becoming a great-great-grandfather.
And His legacy, long after the memory of him is gone.
I mean, one generation from now, two generations from now, nobody will remember his name, right?
Do you know your great-great-grandfather's name?
And even if you do, do you know your great-great-great-grandfather's name?
I mean, history will forget my grandfather.
But a thousand years from now, the impact of his life will still exist through the children that he's pushed into the future and the values that he's pushed into those children that get pushed into the future, generation after generation.
And somehow we came of age at a time when our culture ascribed not only no value to that, but negative value to it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jeremy boring
What if we deprive people?
shane cashman
I bring this up a lot, but one of those Emanuel brothers, Rahm Emanuel's brother, talked about why we don't need old people anymore.
Old people should stop caring for themselves and basically just die.
Not basically, they said die.
And I tell people all the time, knowing your grandparents is the best.
Little has inspired me in this life more than my grandfather.
He was a true inspiration to me in so many ways as a family man, as a business guy, and a creative.
And a lot of people don't have that attachment to their grandfathers or any grandparent.
And that is truly sad to have that.
Uh, to be divorced from history like that, because they can teach you so much from the decades that they acquired and all the stuff, you know, all the information they got.
Um, so yeah, now we have a world where they're not having kids to become the role models and they don't have any connection to the past.
So there'll be these very decrepit, meaningless vessels, humans.
tim pool
But I do think more and more.
Here we are sitting here talking about the success Daily Wire is having.
I mean, forcing Disney to course correct on Snow White is hilarious, and if anything, that's a tremendous victory, but let's see your Snow White do better, because, you know...
These companies need to learn a real lesson.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
But we're watching all these tremendous victories.
We're learning now that there's a huge swing towards Trump.
Whether you're for Trump or anybody else, Biden is losing support tremendously.
jeremy boring
Oh, I mean, SNL mocked him for the first time.
So the jig is up.
unidentified
Wow!
shane cashman
What did they do?
tim pool
They mocked him, huh?
jeremy boring
Yeah.
unidentified
Oof!
tim pool
They're in trouble.
shane cashman
I didn't see it.
libby emmons
Who played Biden?
jeremy boring
Hmm.
Do you know the names of anybody on there?
libby emmons
I don't know anybody on there anymore.
As I said that, I was like, what are you, Maggie Keaton?
tim pool
Saturday Night Sam's?
Here's what I'm saying.
Setherton Bigby.
Here's the scary future that I see.
Conservatives are having kids.
jeremy boring
Yep.
tim pool
And liberals are aborting their kids.
And even to some degrees, even some of their kids are being sterilized.
I don't act like it's all of their kids.
It's a few thousand, I think, and it's in the tens of thousands that are getting these treatments.
But what is the future in 20 years going to be?
These 30 millennials right now, what's the average millennial age?
Like 36 or 37, right?
libby emmons
Yeah, my brothers are that age.
They're both millennials.
tim pool
Nearing their 60s.
They're gonna be, nearing their 60s, in 20 years, they're gonna be getting close to retirement.
Who knows, by then retirement age might be like 77 or something.
Especially considering the economy now.
Well, actually I take that back.
Considering this backlash, by then retirement age might go down.
But imagine these people when they're retired.
No families, no savings, what do they do?
The inverse is that conservatives have kids.
20 years from now, there is going to be 2 to 1 conservative to liberal kids.
Now, people may change their values, so some of the kids of conservative parents may adopt liberal ideologies, but it's also true that the inverse could happen, especially with the pushback in schools.
I think it's fair to say, based on the fact that liberals overwhelmingly abort, Relative to conservatives, and conservatives 20 years ago were already having more kids, you are going to have woke feminist millennial retirees, males and females, single, childless, begging for handouts from a government that will not give it because conservatives win the voting bloc.
shane cashman
We talk a lot about like the parallel economy, right?
But I really think it's gonna be not parallel realities, but fractured realities where we're going to inhabit the real world where we were talking about before we went live about taking the physical space back, you know, and they're going to inhabit the digital space.
That's where all their identities are mostly uploaded.
They care more about the digital world.
then they do the physical world.
Yeah.
jeremy boring
Here's an interesting wrinkle on that is AI.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
jeremy boring
That the digital world is becoming more and more artificial over time.
And I think that there's going to be a reaction to that where people want tangible physical
events and engagements.
serge du preez
Yeah.
jeremy boring
Conservatives love to catastrophize right off.
Ah, AI is the end of the world, is the end of this.
Of course, it's another one of those massive technological changes, and the world will change around it, but there are good things that come out of these advances.
And one of the good things, I suspect, out of this new sort of artificial digital age will be a return to actual human connection.
Only when I sit in a room with you and look you in the eye and talk to you do I know that you're a real person.
shane cashman
It's like looking at people go back and getting into vinyl again after being so busy.
libby emmons
But yeah, I mean, kids still go ride bikes.
shane cashman
Totally.
My fear is that the other half of that will be people embracing the AI world so much that they want to marry the AI.
And then we'll have people literally fighting to be married to AI.
jeremy boring
But it will happen.
Of course that will happen.
All the bad things will happen.
tim pool
Yes.
jeremy boring
But good things will also happen.
shane cashman
I want to catastrophize, Jeremy.
tim pool
This is the divergence you mentioned.
Because uh so we just bought we're building we're building free domestan and it's been in construction for a minute but uh awesome news i mean the drywall is going up in the in the in the lower studios uh yeah we've got the designs for the indoor and outdoor skate park portion so it is moving and we're thinking maybe by february you know it could even be sooner than that but uh We just bought a sound system from an antique store from the 90s with cassette, vinyl, AM FM radio, and a CD player.
And the rule is, when you're playing music in the park, it has to be a vinyl played from start to finish.
You will turn the vinyl on, you will go and you'll flip it over, you finish that album before you can play anything else.
Why?
I cannot stand the digital playlist reality.
I can't stand that whenever you open the app, it's one song from one band and it's 700 bands with one song.
And so I said, no, no, no, I don't want that anymore.
I want the core original.
Give me an album from one band we're listening to.
jeremy boring
Imagine, imagine that there are Adults alive today who have never listened to the B-side of Abbey Road.
They don't know that that's a thing.
They may have heard every song off of it, but that is not the experience of listening to the B-side of Abbey Road.
unidentified
I agree.
serge du preez
You'd be shocked.
When I travel with my records, how many people are like, what the hell are these?
They look at them like they're like, it's foreign.
Like they pull it out.
They literally see them open the box and then take it out.
And they're like looking like, I've never seen this in my life.
I'm like, Dude, it's a record.
Like, you don't know what that is, really?
Yeah.
But you'd be amazed.
People literally have never seen it before.
shane cashman
I want to expand out on what Jeremy was saying, too.
I just missed the mixtape.
I agree.
I love the mixtape.
But this would be nice if the positivity does grow out of this and people embrace family again.
You know, that would be an amazing transition out of this hellscape that we've been in.
And it's possible, because I'm in a community now where I'm surrounded by people who are beautiful families.
And when I was in New York, I was not surrounded by that at all.
It was completely defunct and anti-family.
tim pool
I do just have to mention this, that we pulled up an article previously that you were on Patrick Bette David's podcast in Miami, and now you're here in effectively West Virginia, and I'm like, man.
This guy works!
You were just in, where were you?
You were in Budapest?
jeremy boring
Yep, I've been overseas.
This is my first time in the States since July 10th.
serge du preez
Wow.
jeremy boring
And I scouted for a month in Europe before that, so by Christmas it will be true that I spent the majority of 2023 overseas.
unidentified
Wow.
shane cashman
Other than family, is there stuff that you realized you were missing?
jeremy boring
Mexican food.
serge du preez
That's true.
shane cashman
That's a big one.
I miss that here.
tim pool
There's no Taco Bell?
jeremy boring
Yeah, we don't have great Mexican food in Nashville either, but we have some Mexican food.
libby emmons
Whenever I go to Texas, I'm always like, we need tacos!
jeremy boring
Yes.
libby emmons
It's time for tacos!
tim pool
But to be fair, the American versions of it are nowhere near what Mexican food actually is.
shane cashman
Oh yeah.
tim pool
But it's ours, you know?
unidentified
I don't know.
libby emmons
I like the American versions.
jeremy boring
When I say Mexican food, I mean Tex-Mex.
libby emmons
Yeah, I want like the American version of Chinese food.
I don't want sea cucumbers.
I want like General Tso's chicken in some, you know, lo mein.
unidentified
That's what I want.
tim pool
Well, let's get a little bit more political in this.
So we talked a lot about culture, but we have this story from the Chicago Tribune.
Construction on Brighton Park migrant camp to begin with state involvement this week despite aldermanic opposition.
Can I just point out really quickly that beautiful word, aldermanic?
jeremy boring
Man, I have not made a movie about this.
Just, I want to be clear.
libby emmons
About the aldermanics?
tim pool
Alderman are like the mayors of a neighborhood, so I love the aldermanic opposition.
It's a great word.
But here's what's happening.
The people of Chicago are furious.
They do not want illegal immigrants in their city.
Same is true for New York.
Democrats are suffering because of this, but it doesn't matter why.
Several reasons.
There's one base reason.
And the simple reason is there are men who are willing to take blood money stripped from your pockets and your bank accounts to build facilities for non-citizens and they don't care.
They don't care about your community.
They don't care about you.
They don't care about what happens to the city.
When the government comes to these men in these construction vehicles and says, here's the project, they say, Okay, I'll take money no matter where it comes from.
So the people of Chicago, in opposition to this, are having their tax dollars taken, and these men are willing to accept it.
That's the first problem.
Second problem is, politically, they do not care what the people of the city actually want.
They will build facilities for non-citizens, and this is going to be I think politically apocalyptic for Democrats because now we're seeing Donald Trump is improving among black and Hispanic voters.
And I think this is partly due to you get these videos out of Chicago where it's black community members screaming, get these illegal immigrants out of our neighborhoods.
They don't care.
But let me just stress also the sheer shock when I saw a video on Twitter, X, where they're like, we are building a camp on the south side of Chicago for illegal immigrants.
We're not talking like a small park.
We're talking a massive multi-acre facility.
They're talking brick and mortar structures.
shane cashman
Yeah, what do they mean by camp?
They just mean a building.
tim pool
No, they're building multiple structures.
jeremy boring
Yeah, well, this is like when you hear a refugee camp inside the Gaza Strip, and then it turns out it's a city with skyscrapers.
shane cashman
Right, interesting wordplay.
tim pool
A camp is a... Well, one of them is a tent city.
jeremy boring
So I guess you can call it a... But when you have multiple acres, I don't know if... If it has plumbing, though, at a minimum, it's a migrant clamp.
libby emmons
Well, there was a thing in New York just recently where they put up a whole bunch of dormitories at Floyd Bennett Field, which is, you know, an old airfield.
And migrants were warning each other not to go there.
They were like, oh no, it's not acceptable.
And one woman said, we did not go because we already know the situation over there.
We saw people returned with children.
They say it's not suitable there.
There is nothing there, not even a television.
shane cashman
No TV?
libby emmons
No TV!
Oh my goodness!
tim pool
That's a violation of like... It's unconscionable.
libby emmons
I think it's a human rights violation.
tim pool
Yeah, a UN Charter violation.
We gotta... What's going on?
No TVs!
shane cashman
We should protest.
libby emmons
I have to say, I have loved seeing, you know, black people in Chicago and New York just be like, no, we're not doing this.
shane cashman
Look at Eric Adams.
libby emmons
And it makes me think that maybe we can remember... Yeah, Eric Adams has been really working on this and he has been stymied at every step of the way.
shane cashman
And now they're attacking him.
libby emmons
Now they're attacking him.
They're destroying the schools.
You know, that we're already faltering.
But I have loved seeing black Americans stand up and be like, no, we don't want this.
It makes me think that perhaps all of us Americans, or us original Americans, can get together and be like, we're Americans, we love our country, we don't want it to be overrun, race is not the thing that should divide us here, you know, it should be the border.
shane cashman
Absolutely.
jeremy boring
Culture is real.
And the great lie of the 20th century is that culture is not real, that all cultures are equal, that you can… Relativism.
Yeah, you can basically shuffle the deck of all humans across the entire globe and still wind up with the exact same soup, and you can't.
You know, France is a place for French people, and England is a place for the English, and America is a place for Americans.
And you could say, well, there's no such thing as Americans.
That's true, but there's no such thing as English either.
Like, at a certain point, cultures Come and they go.
And America, yes, is a nation that was founded largely by immigrants, but those immigrants did come together and create a culture.
I'm not anti-immigration, but I'm anti any kind of immigration that radically and rapidly changes the makeup of the culture of a country.
Because you can't have a nation if you don't have culture.
You have to have common culture.
tim pool
Well, this is an important point.
The Constitution, the Bill of Rights are, what, 1789?
We had free speech.
Yeah, they'd still arrest you for obscenity laws if you spoke in certain ways, like George Carlin famously, even in the 70s, you'd get arrested for it.
It is the culture that we have today.
This is why I say we're winning.
A lot of people don't want to accept it, but you can look at the tangible realities of the Bud Light boycott.
I want to say right now I'm a huge fan of Bud Light and a big supporter of theirs.
After they sponsored UFC, we were very critical of them.
But then seeing what Sean Strickland said, did you see this one?
jeremy boring
No.
tim pool
So Bud Light, but let me just wrap that point up.
We're winning, by the way, and this is the point.
jeremy boring
We're winning.
tim pool
Sean Strickland said he was so happy that Bud Light sponsored UFC and we're like, no, aw, come on, Bud Light, they're crooked.
And then he's like, now they're putting money behind every word I say.
And I went, oh, OK, I agree.
I agree.
There's no backing down for Bud Light now.
MMA fighters are notoriously based.
And he said some stuff that I can't say on YouTube, and the UFC paid for it.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Bud Light paid for it.
So now I'm like, okay, I'll take it.
There you go, he's fixing the brand by going a little far in the other direction.
libby emmons
Well, you've seen their advertising.
It's sort of like, it's like 80s spectacular advertising all of a sudden.
jeremy boring
I do make a Bud Light joke in Lady Paulers, and maybe I should reevaluate it, although it's too late now.
tim pool
Well, but we were wondering, when's Jeremy's beer?
I mean, you've got everything else?
jeremy boring
Yeah, I will, uh, here's some breaking news for our TimCast fans.
There will not be a Jeremy's beer.
When you watch Lady Ballers this weekend, you will notice that there are cans all throughout the movie that say Jeremy's Pilsner on them.
They're very well designed, and that's because I thought that by the time the movie came out, I would release my Pilsner.
But it turns out canned beverages are very difficult and alcohol is even more difficult still.
And I've made the decision that, and I don't drink.
So somehow in this combination of challenges, I thought I'd maybe let that one slide.
tim pool
But what I wanted to say about winning is, when you look at freedom of speech, Despite the government manipulations and collusion with big tech, I believe we are winning.
jeremy boring
We're winning culturally.
We're not winning in the realm of policy yet, which matters.
tim pool
Right.
jeremy boring
But I agree that there's a shift culturally in our favor.
tim pool
Right.
We've begun forwarding the line, as the way I would describe it.
We may not have the whole battlefield, but also the Second Amendment.
I do not believe there is.
We have the whole battlefield.
I mean, or I should say we have more than 26 states constitutional carry or permitless concealed carry.
I think Florida.
And so that is the majority of the battlefield in terms of statewide.
Now they're trying still to ban things, but they're losing.
There was a poll, NBC News, the poll that showed young voters are leaning Trump by like two, it's a four point margin, also show that the majority of people, whether you're Democrat or Republican, have guns in their household.
jeremy boring
Yeah.
tim pool
So I think we're winning constitutionally.
Now, I'd love to see, there's a lot of stuff going to the Supreme Court.
Let's see, you know, what we get through.
I don't know if I should say too much, but one of our guests was talking about another case on the NFA, which is going to be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court.
We'll see how it plays out, but I think we are winning, so I'm having a good time.
There's bad stuff going on.
We call the bad stuff all the time, but the night is always darkest before the dawn.
However, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
shane cashman
I'm seeing a lot of people on both sides understand that the border is a mess.
You know?
Like, when I saw Eric Adams talk about it, I was completely shocked.
I've been to the border a few times reporting on it this year.
It is a complete tragedy.
Completely open, the amount of fentanyl coming through is absurd, and undocumented people who just get sent wherever they want to go.
It's like soft TSA down there.
I mean, it's so bad.
tim pool
I am livid at the story of the construction happening in Chicago.
And I- Oh, I agree.
All of my anger is at the working class construction guys, 100%.
Did you see- They should have said, I ain't touching that money.
Instead, they were just like, yeah, I'll take money to disrupt and destroy this community.
It's disgusting.
libby emmons
There should be a concept of country over company.
tim pool
The founding fathers were wealthy men.
They were very wealthy, and they had every reason to say to anyone with patriotic sentiments, shut your mouths, you're going to spoil my fun.
I've got land, I've got buildings, I've got properties, I've got companies, and I've got a family to protect.
I ain't signing that Declaration of Independence.
They did the opposite.
They said, the king will kill me, he will take my family, he will beat my children, he will steal from me, and I will be left destitute, but it must be done.
shane cashman
It's not rare in these big cities for these companies to have the unions who are with the government tight, you know?
So that's why maybe this is not as surprising.
jeremy boring
Yeah, that's right.
libby emmons
Did you see the Washington Post came out in favor of border control?
They said in an editorial board, they said, Democrats might flinch at the proposition, but the Republican idea that it should be tougher for asylum seekers to enter the United States makes some sense.
shane cashman
Wow!
tim pool
Just some.
libby emmons
Yeah, they said hundreds of thousands of people who reach the southern border every year hope to leave a dismal existence behind, but most are not fleeing persecution in fear for life or limb.
They seek asylum because the U.S.
asylum system is the only door available to knock on.
That's in the Washington Post.
shane cashman
The border patrol I talked to down there, all different types of people are like, there's so many just men about our age coming over.
They don't know where they're from.
They're not all from Mexico.
They're from China.
jeremy boring
They're from Africa.
shane cashman
They're from all various places.
tim pool
Honduras.
shane cashman
Ukraine.
And they do get a lot of people who are repeat offenders, as in they've come, been kicked out, and they come back.
But they just cut through.
There's so many places where there's a hole in the wall, or these tribes have their land on the border, and they don't have a wall because it's sovereign land.
So you just walk to the wall and be like, skrrt, right around, and you're in, and that's it.
So it's great to see that.
I wonder how they define border policy, but it's a start.
libby emmons
I mean, it's a start.
tim pool
In one of these stories, it was a story from ABC7.
They interviewed a Honduran migrant who said, I'm living worse than I lived in Honduras.
It's very cold.
I want to go home.
libby emmons
Venezuelans were saying that in Chicago as well.
tim pool
This is typical.
Someone, some group is lying to these people and telling them to come and they arrive in freezing cities with no resources and they're like, I don't understand.
shane cashman
They're like, the streets are paved with gold.
They get to San Francisco and it's paved with poop.
Literally.
tim pool
These people are told there are jobs and they're like, oh, the United States has opened the border.
They're saying, come, there's jobs for you.
And they go, oh, okay.
They hop on these trains, they ride thousands of miles and they show up and they're like, this is not correct.
And the funny thing is, even now Democrats are outraged over this, but you have progressive leftists that are still, and the woke, they're still very much in that.
I mean, AOC is pretty mum on this one, right?
She's the Trump concentration camp person.
Yeah, that's right.
She will burn her political base if she comes out and says, no, this is a good thing.
Now, hold on.
She did, remember?
Initially, when she said, we're going to get work permits for them, housing for them, and people were screaming at her.
libby emmons
Out front of the Roosevelt Hotel in New York.
tim pool
The Democrats are in trouble, even the progressive ones.
shane cashman
She's such an opportunist.
I could see her down the road, probably soon from now.
tim pool
Look what she said about Hamas.
Israel-Palestine.
This is someone who has her roots in progressive leftism.
Before she's in office, the activists were operating under the assumption that she was pro-Palestine.
Her position now is, we need surgical strikes to assassinate Hamas.
And I'm like, someone knows who butters her bread.
Her constituents do not like Hamas, but her woke, progressive fan base do.
So she chooses the political mainstream, which is the only path towards... I mean, look, let's be real.
libby emmons
She represents the Bronx.
It's not that progressive.
It's mostly foreign.
Let's be honest, there's a 40% chance she's president.
tim pool
You think so?
libby emmons
I think.
jeremy boring
Oh yeah.
unidentified
AOC?
shane cashman
If the culture doesn't shift away from that.
jeremy boring
That's right.
shane cashman
It's possible.
jeremy boring
There's a real path for AOC to be president.
We like to make fun of her because, well, for all the reasons.
libby emmons
There's so many.
jeremy boring
For all the reasons.
shane cashman
That's why she says these things that are surprising to us sometimes.
Because she sees it as all politics.
She doesn't have any moral center.
It's whatever's going to get her to the White House.
tim pool
I think you're right.
40% might be the right number.
Not greater than chance, but significant.
I don't know that right now she has the gravitas, but she certainly could.
shane cashman
Oh no, you're saying down the line.
tim pool
Yeah.
jeremy boring
Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman
That's going to be... Not 2024.
jeremy boring
Yeah.
tim pool
But that's what I mean.
shane cashman
I see her running for sure.
tim pool
She has a... 40% seems like the correct number.
There is a possibility eight or ten years she has developed that personality.
shane cashman
Maybe Nikki Haley will pick her as vice president.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Perhaps.
Well, the rumor is she wants to run for, I don't know if this is true, she wants to be Senator in New York or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
I think that is true.
I think she wants to do that.
Who would she replace?
Schumer?
Would she go after Schumer's seat?
Yeah.
tim pool
Apparently that's it.
libby emmons
That's the one that's open to her.
shane cashman
It'll probably happen.
They're so crazy up there.
I mean, we felt sort of good for getting Cuomo out.
I mean, not because he was Me Too'd, because I didn't think he deserved that.
I thought he should have been up for mass murder.
libby emmons
That was trash.
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean- I loved when he- Remember when he released a video of him kissing everybody?
He's like, I do this to everybody!
So the response was, you admit to doing it more than we thought?
libby emmons
Right.
The thing is, that's how you push people out of office in New York.
You accuse them of random sexual harassment crap from years ago, and then take their job and put in someone way worse.
Kathy Hochul is a disaster.
Yeah, Eric Adams, with his like, they're demanding five million from him.
What did he even do?
Nobody even knows.
It was from like 1993.
shane cashman
Hokel's really bad.
I mean, she was talking about having disciples for the shot back in the day.
unidentified
Now her whole thing of like... She's in it with Letitia James.
shane cashman
The hate speech thing.
libby emmons
The two of them, yeah.
They're gonna monitor people's social media.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's nuts.
It's gonna turn into Ireland all of a sudden.
But also, I love New York.
It's my home state, and it's not all that bad.
It's the city that ruins it for most of the dang place.
libby emmons
The city is spectacular, though.
It's the greatest city on Earth.
tim pool
I love the city, but it's lost.
Let's talk about the potential path Towards 2024 going Democrat, we have the story.
Is China's mystery pneumonia sweeping Europe?
Netherlands sees alarming surge in similar illness among children as terrifying video shows hazmat-clad workers in China disinfecting schools.
I keep seeing people say, don't fall for it!
As we're getting more and more data of a strange respiratory illness.
libby emmons
Well, now they're going to make sure that children are a vector of it, because last time children were not a vector.
jeremy boring
Yeah, can you overlay Trump's poll numbers?
tim pool
Actually, you know, I think we actually can.
Do we have?
No, we don't have it right here.
Oh, wait, wait, hold on.
Trump's poll lead expands with Biden losing black and Hispanic support.
Well, you get the general idea.
But is it the flu?
I mean, they're calling it a pneumonia.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
But it's also winter, and people get sick more in winter.
I don't know.
Look, I'm not a doctor.
Talk to your doctor.
I'm just saying, surprise, surprise, as we're entering an election year, all of a sudden we're getting this news.
Hopefully it goes nowhere, but remain vigilant.
Watch out for these attempts to shock and scare you and create panic so that you vote for their choice of candidate.
serge du preez
Yeah.
I think we'll have to remember that it's also a lot of anti-COVID stuff.
I heard somebody saying that some of the video was lifted from COVID in the past, so... Some of the videos?
Yeah, some of the videos like cleaning and disinfecting and stuff like that was lifted from the past, because not a lot of media comes out of China unless it comes out of the China Post.
shane cashman
Just like when CBS posted a video of a busy hospital from New York, but it was Italy.
tim pool
But numerous agencies did that for months.
They kept showing the same thing over and over again.
serge du preez
Same thing, man.
Same thing.
That's what I heard.
tim pool
Okay, so here's... Look, I...
Often when I'm reading the news, I can imagine possible scenarios when it comes to polling, like, you know, Moody's will come out and say the economy is doing so poorly, Biden's going to lose by this margin, and I'm imagining what happens.
I cannot visualize what happens with Joe Biden.
jeremy boring
Oh, no.
tim pool
I mean, he can't be the candidate.
They've got to get rid of him, but what do they do?
Do they act like he's going to be the nominee and then abruptly at the convention just announce Gavin Newsom?
jeremy boring
Well, also, we have Right now, the likely nominee from both parties are beyond the average life expectancy of an American man.
serge du preez
I know, I know.
jeremy boring
It's just an honest observation that you cannot know what's going to happen.
I mean, it's always true that you can't know it, but especially now you can't know what's going to happen in this election.
tim pool
Okay, to be fair, to be fair, Trump is almost at the life expectancy, which is, I believe, 79.
Yeah.
And Biden is over.
libby emmons
It is dropping, though, the life expectancy for American men.
tim pool
Yep.
I'm not saying that means a whole lot when he's a year and a half away from the average life expectancy, but... I can't picture Biden getting into the White House again.
Oh, wait, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
No, Jeremy was correct.
It went down.
libby emmons
So the latest... Yeah, it's like 73, I think.
tim pool
So the last time we checked, it was actually 78, 79.
And the latest numbers are now 77.28.
So in fact, you are correct, sir.
Trump is 77.
shane cashman
I can't imagine Biden in the White House.
At all I still can't but I wonder if it's gonna be him bowing out and they're gonna play like this valiant Way of him leaving like oh, it's a noble thing to do.
He stepped down.
We're gonna get you know Or do they they play the tragedy card, which is right a lot of people in government love to do so It's got it's been doing a lot.
It's got to be a heart attack or something Yeah, I don't know or they just prop them up and keep it going McConnell's still there I mean, he is old.
libby emmons
Yeah, but he can't win.
shane cashman
No, but he's still there.
I mean, you'd think someone would be like, we gotta get you out of this.
jeremy boring
Wait, you're saying Joe Biden can't win?
tim pool
Joe Biden can't win.
jeremy boring
No, I don't think that's true.
unidentified
You think he can win?
libby emmons
I think he can win, yeah.
tim pool
Okay, let me say this.
As of right now, all data indicates Biden will not win.
jeremy boring
Yep.
tim pool
There's a lot of reasons why he can win.
jeremy boring
I'm just saying... I think that it has been, thus far, it has been a great asset, not a liability, that Joe Biden is nearly dead.
He defeated Trump in 2020 by being a corpse.
That was actually the best recommendation that you could make for him.
serge du preez
Totally.
tim pool
Yeah, well, that's what... Was it Atlantic?
Who wrote that?
serge du preez
I don't know.
tim pool
Stay alive, Joe Biden.
All we need is your corporeal form.
serge du preez
It's one of my favorite Shane Gillis jokes.
He says, like, that's what Trump does.
He gets inside people's minds, but you can't get into Joe's head.
Joe's not even there, man.
tim pool
Well, so what's the realistic scenario?
You think Biden runs in whatever corpse-like fashion, which means not doing anything, but then people vote for him?
jeremy boring
Well, one thing you have to know about Democrats historically in elections is, None of their internal rules actually matter.
So, just as an example, if you're a Democrat and you die after an election is ostensibly underway.
They just let people vote for you.
tim pool
And then put your wife in.
jeremy boring
And then they put your wife in.
There's nothing legal about that.
There's nothing per the bylaws.
They just do it.
unidentified
They put your wife in.
tim pool
Was that in Pennsylvania?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Was that in Pennsylvania?
Where was it?
We did cover this.
Yeah.
There was a politician was running.
He died just before election day.
They said whatever.
And then his wife was appointed to fill the role.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Something like that.
I think it was like a senator or something like that.
shane cashman
How do they just pass that?
tim pool
How do they just say that's okay?
jeremy boring
It's party rules.
tim pool
Well, a governor is a point senator if there's a vacancy.
So, like, when Obama got elected and Illinois had an open seat, Blagojevich famously said, I'm not giving this thing away for free or whatever the quote was.
He went to jail for it.
shane cashman
Pardoned by Trump, right?
tim pool
Well, yeah, that's right.
That's right.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Illinois is one heck of a place.
libby emmons
This is a thing that keeps happening.
shane cashman
But why the wife?
Like, why would they just default to the wife?
tim pool
I think they were hoping for that for Fetterman.
libby emmons
There's a lot of widows who succeed their husbands in Congress.
That happens a lot.
jeremy boring
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
That's weird.
libby emmons
And there's articles about this going back to 2014.
unidentified
This is Lady Ballers 2.
jeremy boring
So I understand this, but what's the... President Dr. Joe Biden.
tim pool
What's the scenario then?
This is my point.
I can understand what you're saying.
The rules don't matter.
But so what is the realistic scenario that we witness in 2024?
Are we as political junkies going to be watching, like figuratively, it's a debate stage with an empty space and Trump yelling at the wind?
shane cashman
AI.
AI Biden.
tim pool
No, but I mean, in the news, we're going to have Trump, Trump, Trump.
Is there just going to be nothing about the Democrats at all?
shane cashman
Yeah, they could run everything the way he, Biden, ran his campaign.
jeremy boring
That's essentially how, that's essentially was their strategy in 2020.
serge du preez
Stay in the basement.
Be quiet.
jeremy boring
Stay in the basement.
libby emmons
Yeah, he just stayed down there with his weird studio.
shane cashman
They manipulate the reality through corporate press.
A lot of people buy into it.
And that's that.
tim pool
If that's the case, if you compare the political polling average today to 2020, it is completely inverted and Trump is on a path towards major victory.
serge du preez
I think this time it's different though because he's shown what he does as the president.
He's shown his hand.
We don't know what he's going to be like.
We really did.
If you look back into his political history, you knew what he was going to be like.
But the average person didn't know what Joe Biden was going to be like as president.
I think he's already shown what he's like.
tim pool
Perhaps.
The NBC poll that we cited just a moment ago shows that if the Democrats have any other candidate, Trump loses.
It's one poll, don't know if it's true, but they say if it's Trump v. Biden, Biden loses.
If it's Trump versus any Democratic candidate, Trump loses.
shane cashman
People love Newsom.
I don't.
tim pool
Do they really?
libby emmons
No, how do they know?
shane cashman
When I was in California at the GOP debate, that dude walked up into the Reagan library.
serge du preez
The GOP debate?
shane cashman
Yeah, the second one.
He showed up and people fawned over him.
Sean Hannity practically made out with Newsom in front of me.
I mean, they were so smitten with each other.
It was disgusting.
And I talked to a lot of conservative women who find Newsom charming.
They know he's depraved.
libby emmons
He's nasty and gross.
shane cashman
But there's something about him.
He's like this poster boy for politics of days old, where he's got the hair and all this stuff.
They find something charming.
I don't think they'd vote for him.
libby emmons
He's like a lizard man.
shane cashman
Well, I know he is.
I saw him change out of that suit.
tim pool
I feel like he's Democrat Mitt Romney, though.
shane cashman
Yeah, I think he's... Romney is more like a saltine, though, who's ineffective.
Newsom has a past of actual depravity and a liar, like a big-time liar.
jeremy boring
I don't see how Newsom doesn't become president.
Just think about his career path.
Destroy San Francisco, become governor.
unidentified
Destroy California, He steps into the wasteland of America.
tim pool
Destroy Middle East and South America and the Korean Peninsula and then become Supreme Chancellor.
jeremy boring
There you go.
tim pool
Something like that.
shane cashman
He's got the look.
tim pool
But what did you say, Romney's a saltine.
shane cashman
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
So like dry and unpalatable.
shane cashman
There's just nothing about, like what has he done that's, I don't know about him as well as I know Newsom,
but he seems like he hasn't been as effective in positive or negative ways.
tim pool
Well, we got, was it Newsom v. DeSantis on Thursday?
shane cashman
Oh yeah, when Romney was in Massachusetts for a while, right, was that where he was?
Yeah.
I don't know how people thought of him back then, and people liked him for a while, but to me, he looks like he's just like Obama in many ways, you know?
Newsom?
No, no, no.
Romney.
The way Romney talks now is basically he's like Obama.
They're into war, they're part of the Uniparty, and I'm tired of that.
And Newsom is the king of all that crap.
They all look up to Newsom.
tim pool
Yeah, I can imagine the Democratic convention happens and they just say, all the superdelegates have teamed up to vote for Newsom.
Your votes don't matter.
shane cashman
He apologized for his COVID ways.
That's enough for them.
tim pool
I don't think they'd even bring that up.
shane cashman
Because he already apologized.
They wouldn't even pull right by it.
Who else did they pick on the list?
tim pool
Do you think Newsom is running 2024?
You think he's going to be the guy?
I mean, we all think he's secretly running.
jeremy boring
Well, no one will run against Biden.
It all comes down to what happens with Biden.
But if Biden is not running, which I think, to be clear, Biden is currently running to be president.
So something has to change.
shane cashman
Right.
jeremy boring
Then, yeah, I think Newsom's probably the go-to guy.
I think they flirted with the idea of it being Buttigieg for a while.
That's just not going to happen.
shane cashman
Oh, gosh, no.
libby emmons
He's terrible.
shane cashman
He's terrible.
libby emmons
And he took all that time off.
shane cashman
He's just a waste.
I mean, when I was in East Palestine, after the train exploded, the way he handled that whole situation, those people were furious.
I mean, furious.
And that's how a lot of America felt watching him visit, I'm putting in quotes, East Palestine.
It was just, it was atrocious.
But I don't know, a lot of people can agree how terrible Newsom was in California, but they still, there's a lot of people who still love him, you know?
unidentified
Yep.
shane cashman
So, I could see him, but they had, like Jeremy's right, he's not going to go against Biden.
tim pool
But right, so, is Biden How's Biden gonna be out?
libby emmons
Well, Biden has even said Gavin Newsom could have my job.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
And they're not going to have Kamala.
Well, nobody likes Kamala.
Nobody liked Kamala when she was running.
She had 3% of the vote before she dropped out of the primary.
She was trash and everyone knows it.
She's also the one who is essentially responsible, in part, for this whole border thing.
She was supposed to be in charge of it.
And she was supposed to deal with the border.
And her office was like, nuh-uh, no she isn't.
shane cashman
What border?
libby emmons
Right.
We're not supposed to do that.
We're supposed to be dealing with the root causes of migration, which is violence against LGBTQ people in the Northern Triangle countries.
tim pool
I'm going to pull this story from the New York Times.
Are black voters leaving Democrats behind?
They say polls suggest they might be.
Well, we looked at an NBC poll that I think showed Trump with 24% of the black vote.
And if that's true, according to the Wall Street Journal several years ago, They wrote an article in like 2018 that said that if Democrats can't maintain 80%, if Republicans ever get more than 20, the Democrats are, they can't win at all.
So, I'm not sure I believe these things, right?
There's been a lot of conservative personalities who said, you are insane to think black voters are gonna move towards Trump in any way.
The New York Times asked the question, and then the New York Post runs this story, Trump polling lead expands with Biden losing black and Hispanic support.
So I'm wondering if it's not so much that Trump is gaining, but that because Biden is losing, it results in a vote vacuum.
You don't need to vote for Trump if you're not voting.
Trump is still going to create a gap by having people not vote for Joe Biden.
serge du preez
I think that's what people are realizing.
I saw a lot of people this weekend, I forget what it was, but people realizing that they had a life better underneath Trump than they have under Biden.
I think that's as simple as that.
tim pool
They say Biden's lead among Hispanic voters is now 3% down from 14 in an Emerson poll last November.
unidentified
Wow!
tim pool
An 11 point shift.
They say Biden's lead among African Americans was still substantial, 47, but down 15 points.
And then there was that poll in New York, Biden is up 10 points.
In a D plus 27, he's only up 10.
shane cashman
Trump's also New York.
There's a lot of people in New York who still love Trump and who understood Trump before a lot of the country did.
Because if you're from New York, you know the certain type of character that Trump was.
libby emmons
You know this guy?
He's not all of these things.
He's this big, bombastic...
Kid from Queens.
shane cashman
He wasn't shocking to us.
No, you know when we saw him certainly a lot of the country was like, whoa, what is this?
tim pool
The New York Times is saying Trump's lead his support among black voters is 22%.
So up several points is in 2020 Biden defeated Trump by 4.5 in the popular vote though.
He won by much narrower margins in the swing states that saw him and now look, I think it's ultimately I wonder why we even talk about this stuff a year out.
jeremy boring
That's the thing. So much is going to change.
If, for example, Ron DeSantis wins in Iowa, which there's a very strong likelihood that he will,
he's locked up 30,000 precinct or a...
libby emmons
And he's working real hard there.
jeremy boring
He's working real hard, yeah.
Then from January 15th through Super Tuesday, anything can happen.
Just anything can happen.
And particularly in an election where, going into the spring, all of Trump's legal problems catch up with him.
Yeah, that's true.
So, among the many things that can happen, we could be running someone from jail.
That is not...
That is not an impossible scenario, given how upside-down, topsy-turvy the world is now.
And certainly not constitutionally prohibited either.
My view of this, I borrow this from my friend Alan Estrin over at PragerU.
He points out that narrative is an actual force in the universe, sort of like gravity.
Narrative isn't something that we do, it's something that we observe.
And if you go by that theory, then At a minimum, the story belongs to Donald Trump.
It is Donald Trump's story.
It doesn't mean he wins the election.
But I don't think people are ready.
We haven't gotten to the end of the Donald Trump story yet.
People want to know what the end of the Donald Trump story is more
than they want to know what the next story is.
shane cashman
I love narrative, you can feel it.
It is a substance in the world.
tim pool
Carl Benjamin made this point to me.
serge du preez
He did?
tim pool
This is like a year and a half ago, I was saying, I thought DeSantis was the right choice.
He had a better temperament, proven leadership.
Not that Trump, you know, didn't, but Trump's temperament wasn't there.
And then Carl messaged me saying, Trump's arc is not done.
Trump's story must be completed.
He made a video about it.
And now things have shifted.
So you think, Even with Trump's legal problems, this lends itself to Trump winning, or at least very well being the nominee and making it to November.
jeremy boring
Well, whether he's the nominee or not, I think that maybe he takes the entire Republican Party down.
Maybe, for example, Ron DeSantis wins Iowa, he gets a big boost going into South Carolina, he somehow gets past Nikki Haley there, Ron DeSantis becomes the nominee, Donald Trump splits the party and says he won't back Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump loses the election for Republicans, or DeSantis somehow wins and pardons Donald Trump, and it's the greatest Whatever it is, it's like, whatever the craziest thing we can imagine, somehow the Donald Trump story still hasn't ended.
shane cashman
The most likely outcome is the most entertaining, is that what Elon says?
jeremy boring
Yes, the most likely outcome is the most entertaining.
tim pool
Elon's razor?
shane cashman
It's gonna end with Trump outside the White House jumping midair, then freeze frame, and we're just back to normal.
tim pool
Fair point, I mean, but really, if you think about it, Trump's story arc can end in a lot of really crazy ways.
jeremy boring
Oh yeah, for sure.
They're not all good.
tim pool
Right, right.
Like January 6, nobody saw coming.
Imagine January 6 times 10 with an angry Donald Trump and whatever his story arc becomes.
Now, I guess the difference there is Trump was actually president when January 6 was going down.
He could have done a lot of things he did not do.
Now he's not president, there's a lot of things he can't do, and so those just won't happen.
But weird things can happen.
My bigger concern is probably his story could end rather unceremoniously through health issues.
jeremy boring
Oh yeah.
tim pool
I mean, in both the external and internal.
Certainly someone could hurt him, or he could quite literally just at 77, you know, be shuffled loose the mortal coil.
shane cashman
What I'm worried about is we've been witnessing absurdity exponentially grow every year over the past few years.
What is next year's October surprise going to be?
It's going to be so terrifying and absurd.
They've been dropping these hints lately about the internet apocalypse because of solar flares.
Is that going to happen?
Are we not going to be able to talk and communicate anymore?
libby emmons
I keep wondering about that, and I'm like, you know, we really should have kept up with the United States Postal Service.
tim pool
You know, I want to entertain that possibility, because just imagine this scenario.
It's a week before the election, and solar flare!
Internet is cut out.
shane cashman
Seriously.
tim pool
Internet's gone, and the only thing available now is radio and terrestrial television.
So what happens is you've got no internet, industry has collapsed, but you turn the TV on and there's your good friend Wolf Blitzer letting you know that Joe Biden won.
serge du preez
Trust him.
shane cashman
That's it.
jeremy boring
Well, wouldn't it be nice if we had paper ballots before the solar flare takes out the grid?
libby emmons
That would be so nice.
They had paper ballots in Argentina.
shane cashman
We need to push that.
jeremy boring
How long did it take them to count those votes?
Two, three months?
libby emmons
I think it was just one, I think it was just the one day.
unidentified
No!
shane cashman
Impossible!
libby emmons
I don't understand.
I know!
tim pool
I think they were, you know, even just... They may try to turn off the country and turn it back on again.
Internet goes down just in time for the election and nobody can communicate, nobody can organize.
jeremy boring
They did essentially do that in 2020.
They basically shut down the world.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
jeremy boring
And then tried to turn it back on again.
We still, we've come nowhere near the end of the consequences.
tim pool
That's crazy.
shane cashman
Back then, as terrible as that was, we could still subvert their narrative because we could communicate through the internet.
They know now they got to get rid of that, so we can't subvert them.
So we have to make ham radios and homing pigeons, some way to communicate.
tim pool
Ham-fy.
Let's do it.
serge du preez
You gotta get our bank accounts.
Very difficult.
shane cashman
Tim Ham doesn't sound very good.
I don't know what that might be.
tim pool
Well, no, we want we want Ham Internet.
shane cashman
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
So data transmission through Ham, which is ridiculously slow.
jeremy boring
HamNet.
I like it.
tim pool
You're better off just talking.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Go outside and shout.
tim pool
But seriously, actually imagine what it would be like if it was three days before the election and there's no internet at all.
And we all are old enough to remember life before the internet.
There's a lot of young people who do not.
shane cashman
It's curious in many ways.
tim pool
Actually, it's kind of crazy to think about.
There's 20 year olds who do not know life without access to the internet.
There are younger children.
Man, it's 2023.
So a kid born in 2000, let's be realistic, born in 2000, 2000.
You are not old enough to understand life and cell phones and internet.
By the time you're 7 or 8, cell phones are ubiquitous.
Yep.
By the time you're 13, everyone's got one.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Now you're 23 years old.
You have never lived a moment without instant access information cell phone.
And there's never been a point at which you've lost that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You've gone to dead zones.
You've been out at parties in the desert where there's no connectivity.
But you've never been in a city with no internet.
unidentified
Right.
That's crazy.
shane cashman
That's where that fracturing that we were talking about earlier is going to take place.
Because those people at that age, their identity online means as much to them as their identity out here.
serge du preez
Exactly.
shane cashman
Which is pretty sad.
But like what you were saying earlier, hopefully there's some people who realize we reject that.
We want real life.
We want a family.
We want to go to the supermarket.
libby emmons
But it's not sad.
It is necessary.
It's necessary to curate your online presence.
Because otherwise your online presence is going to come back and get you fired from your job.
shane cashman
Yeah.
libby emmons
So you got to be careful of it.
shane cashman
Yeah, yeah.
libby emmons
But I am seeing I do think that more kids are kind of like of the Gen Z. And if I can use my, you know, just this year, teenage son as an example.
They're much more interested in being anonymous online.
They don't want to put their names out there.
They don't even necessarily want to put their faces out there.
Wow.
You know, they want to be in person with their friends and they want to have whatever the curated thing, but they don't put as much stock in their identity online.
shane cashman
That's good.
libby emmons
They use it.
They do a lot of jokes.
shane cashman
Just trolling.
libby emmons
Just a lot of that stuff.
shane cashman
Isn't that what Holko wants to get rid of in her plan?
libby emmons
Yeah, like I said, my son watches Netwatch.
jeremy boring
I'm anti-anonymity on the internet.
libby emmons
Really?
I like it.
shane cashman
To what degree?
Because I think it's appropriate for people to be able to be anonymous for various reasons, but it's also, I think, it's weak for people too, especially if you go after people.
jeremy boring
I don't think that it's... Here's the problem.
The problem is that anonymity on the internet allows for The ghettoizing of beliefs that are not approved by the regime.
So a lot of people will say, well, I have to be anonymous on the internet because if my boss finds out that I've got these views, they'll fire me.
But you're only in the position where your boss could fire you for finding out about those views because you've allowed those views to be completely ghettoized through anonymity online.
If five million people came out today and said the N-word, I'm not recommending it, but no one would ever get fired for saying the N-word again.
Yeah, they wouldn't be able to.
You wouldn't be able to.
You would have brought that to a conclusion.
That little absurdity in our culture would be brought to an end.
The ghettoizing of our beliefs allows for the punishment of anyone who steps outside of the ghetto.
unidentified
Yeah.
jeremy boring
So if they catch you saying what you believe, they can fire you.
But if we all just had our names on it, we're saying the things that we believe, and you might say, I agree, but I think it's a cultural issue that you can't solve with policy.
anonymity too because the online anonymity also allows us to become more
radicalized in ways that probably, left and right, in ways that probably aren't
tim pool
ultimately good. I agree but I think it's a cultural issue that you can't solve
with policy. You can't just be like okay no one's allowed to be anonymous on the
internet we're gonna we're gonna require this. My view is you should you if you
want to be anonymous in your writings and in your interactions you can be but
I think culturally we need to say we don't interact with you know if you're
if you're not a serious person I can choose not to interact with you and then
And some people will choose to.
jeremy boring
Whenever I've said publicly that I think online anonymity is bad, one thing that comes up a lot is, what about women?
Violence against women will increase because men will follow them home and be able to get their home address and all of this, but Again, I think that that's a kind of ghetto mentality.
The truth is that most of the horrible things that are said to women online...
aren't said by people who put their names on their accounts.
shane cashman
I think just outside of that, though, I'm more worried about people wanting to express themselves in any way.
Jobs be damned, you know?
It's just like, I want people to say whatever they want, however they want, and express themselves that way.
I personally prefer a real face and a real name.
That's what I'll always do.
But I also understand there's a lot of people, not just because of their jobs, maybe it's family, and I understand, I personally think that's weak of them.
But it's what they have to do, and I agree with Tim.
If we can change the idea of it, without policy, I'm okay. That's true. I mean, there are a
jeremy boring
lot of problems with trying to change it at a policy level. Yeah. For example, the First
Amendment. I don't think that it is impossible to make a First Amendment compliant argument for why online
anonymity isn't, isn't to create policy that curtail some some amount of online anonymity. And
people will say, the founding fathers all wrote under pseudonyms. And yeah, writing under pseudonyms is
very important. But I don't know that saying to a woman, uh,
I want to rape you and murder you in her DMS is exactly the same as the Federalist Papers.
There is a distinction in how online anonymity works compared to publishing anonymity.
shane cashman
But not all online anonymity is the violent type.
I've got death threats from anonymous people occasionally, and it's terrible, but those are people who are using it for various reasons.
tim pool
We're talking specifically about social media networks, so you can still publish an article online through a publication anonymously, and they can choose to share it online through their accounts.
jeremy boring
Oh yeah, I'm all for that.
tim pool
And additionally, I want to point out too, whatever it is, we do need there to be, in most cases, some kind of identification.
Why?
If Twitter chooses to allow pornography, they should also have to screen for minors.
It is unacceptable, in my opinion, that YouTube's answer is, uh, we'll leave the video up.
It's the parent's issue, I guess, and some things will flag as 18 and up only, and then you have to log in, and that's it.
So a 13-year-old kid makes a fake account, says they're 18, and they can watch the graphic material again.
If a kid walked into an adult bookstore and the guy let him in, that guy would be arrested, charged, the business would be shut down.
It's illegal to let children... I do not accept that X allows adult material and children at the same time.
That is an absurdity to me.
How is that reality?
How did we as a society just decide one day that we no longer care to bar children from adult bookstores?
jeremy boring
Hold on, when did it become that you can forget going to Pornhub?
You can google almost anything and get it in your results.
Like it'll actually come up in your results.
libby emmons
You can accidentally do stuff.
I used to work with a company and they were looking for fans and they were looking... There's this company called Big Ass Fans and they just googled it instead of going directly to the website and one of my colleagues was like, by the way everybody, don't just google that.
You really just want to put in the right website.
tim pool
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Here we go.
Kilted Carnivore says, not first again.
Unfortunately, you were first.
Shane H. Wilder says, Tim, great seeing you on Pop Culture Crisis 500 today, although now I'm going to have to make a meme video on your reaction to Crisis Parties and hopefully drop it tomorrow.
Pop Culture Crisis had its 500th episode today.
serge du preez
That's correct.
tim pool
So that's absolutely fantastic.
For those that are interested in pop culture conversations, so the way to describe it is, Tim Cass is very political, and then we get into cultural stuff like we did today, but typically political.
Uh, Pop Culture Crisis is the inverse.
It is pop culture, and then gets into the cultural, uh, elements and stuff.
So we talked about, uh, AI girlfriends, how they, uh, Evie Magazine put out an, uh, an aggregate of all of the different ideal girlfriends.
They polled, like, 2,000 people in each state, and then took the keywords and AI-generated images of women.
And it's really, it's got fascinating implications.
Because like, California, the ideal girlfriend is ethnically ambiguous.
Well, it makes sense.
You've got a large black population, Hispanic, Asian, and white.
And if you combine everything they want, you get someone who could be any one of them!
So, you know, that's the kind of stories we cover there.
They talk about other stuff.
Video games, they're talking about, I guess, GTA, the new one, the main character's a single mother.
serge du preez
That's correct.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I think the game will make money, but it's going to be for its online components.
I don't think people are going to care for the story.
unidentified
Definitely.
serge du preez
It was a good episode.
Please check it out.
Oh, it's on there as well.
shane cashman
Nice.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Get off my lawns as I see that Subverse SCNR is up and running again.
It's still part of Timcast Media.
Scanner is its own company.
It is not a part of Timcast.
It was separate, it was started a long time ago, and after some legal issues that were resolved, it is now back.
And you should definitely check out Shane's article.
What's the title of it?
shane cashman
The Demon Hunters.
tim pool
The Demon Hunters.
Yeah.
It is about men who run sting operations tracking child abusers, child predators, and gets them arrested.
shane cashman
Yep.
Yeah, you know, every state is different has different laws and what you can do as a civilian to get someone arrested for these crimes.
And in Ohio, they have to be in possession of the the bad stuff.
And they were a few of these guys and the cops cam came and we got them arrested and it was beautiful.
And they do it all the time.
They travel the whole country.
tim pool
Matthew Hammond says, why has the Daily Wire not spun off its movie division into a separate company?
Have theatrical releases followed by video on demand and streaming info on DW+.
You're not reaching non-DW members.
jeremy boring
Yeah, I mean, that's true, but it's also self-reinforcing.
I mean, Netflix doesn't reach non-Netflix members, but we don't care because they have 200 million members.
Right.
But they have 200 million members because of exclusivity, which over time drove large subscription bases.
So there's, you know, it's a challenge.
Listen, business models shift and change.
We obviously, with What Is A Woman, just as an example, found a way to have it be exclusive for a period, and then we put it out for free on X, and it became one of the most viewed documentaries probably of all time. So to say that we're only reaching our members,
I don't think that's true. I think it's true to say that we only reach our members when we
only reach our members. But will we eventually break out into theatrical and other things? I
think we will. But you have to be honest too. There is no world where this film could have ever come
out in theaters.
tim pool
There is. What is Angel Studios?
Yeah.
They use that... What is it called?
Fathom?
I think it was.
And I don't even think they would... No, they would not.
I'm sorry.
jeremy boring
Angel Studios has a movie coming out in theaters on Friday called The Shift, which was produced by a buddy of mine.
And they're doing great with that model.
I'm very interested in putting some of our stuff in theaters.
But again, do you think that anybody's gonna... You couldn't...
This is a true story.
Every time we release a movie, we've been covered by the Hollywood Trades.
Deadline, Hollywood Reporter, etc.
They won't even write about the fact that we made Lady Bollocks.
tim pool
Well, Out.com did.
jeremy boring
You think theaters are going to actually take this movie?
tim pool
I think it's time for Jeremy's cinema.
shane cashman
There you go.
tim pool
It's just like, every time they say no.
I mean, have you publicly told the story of Together Again?
jeremy boring
No.
tim pool
Should you?
I don't know if you're allowed to.
jeremy boring
Well, I mean, I'm allowed to.
tim pool
If you want to.
jeremy boring
So, I mean, people may not know that I was in one of the most successful bands of all time.
Yes.
From the 1950s through today, Smokey Mike and the God King.
And two years ago, Daily Wire was putting on a show at the Ryman Auditorium.
You know, it's one of the most famous music venues in the world.
So it seemed to me that if we were going to do a show there, we should perform a song.
You can't just get up there and talk politics at the Ryman.
You gotta sing.
And so I had this fun idea that we should do the song by the Turtles called Together Again.
tim pool
Happy Together.
jeremy boring
I'm sorry, called Happy Together.
It's an awesome song.
Nobody's ever been unhappy listening to Happy Together.
And I had this funny idea that Smokey Mike, Michael Knowles, and I could play every instrument as we had done the year previous in our music video.
We did a cover of the Charles Brown song, Please Come Home for Christmas.
And played all the instruments, and it was a lot of fun.
So I thought, well, we'll play every instrument, and the end of Happy Together is... I mean, there's a lot going on.
I thought it'd be fun.
We'll be playing trumpets and trombones and drums, and we'll get a big LED screen up there, and it'll be us being accompanied by us.
I had a whole vision for it.
So I reached out to my team, and I said, you know, go get me the rights.
They talked to the guys at the Ryman.
You know, what's it usually cost to get the rights for a one-time live performance of a song at the Ryman?
You have to know, because for live performances and video, you have to get sign-off.
If you're just going to record audio of someone's song, you don't have to get any sign-off, right?
That's a mechanical royalty.
But for live performances and video, there's a form.
I said, it's usually $1,500, you know, so we reached out to the publishers for the turtles and we offered them $1,500
to let us do Happy Together, and they came back and said no
Well, I was pretty surprised by that. So I called a buddy of mine who's a multi-grammy award-winning songwriter, and
I said, hey listen Here's what happened
That they said no, and he said I didn't even really I've never fully realized that we could say no
He said, you know, just basically once a month, my publisher sends me a stack of papers, I sign them, and then I collect my money.
Like, that's just, it's very, you know, perfunctory.
So I go back to my team and I said, listen, something doesn't smell right here.
This is a weird thing.
Let's offer them $15,000.
My GC was like, that's 10 times more than they told us is the going rate.
I said, yeah, but I want a no.
Offer them $15,000.
Go back to the publisher for the turtles, offer them $15,000.
They come back with a no the next day.
Don't even wait.
They don't even think about it.
No.
I said, all right, offer them $150,000.
I said, are you out of your mind to perform a song one single time on stage at the Ryman?
$150,000?
I said, I'm like, bro, do you even own a shampoo company?
Do you even own a razor company?
Of course, go offer them $150,000.
So we offer them $150,000.
They turn us down flat.
Wow.
That's crazy.
One thinks that perhaps it has something to do with us being us, right?
tim pool
They must be doing really well.
jeremy boring
Oh yeah, the Turtles are lousy with $150,000 offers for one night performances.
So I'm pretty dispirited and we've burned up a lot of time with this.
Now the show is only a week away and I'd basically given up on it and I'm in the shower and I just had this idea for a song kind of in the vein of Good Vibrations, Happy Together, Mr. Blue Sky, that sort of tune for a song and it's called Together Again.
And I came to the office where I have a keyboard set up at my office, and I very quickly scratched it out.
I brought Smokey Mike in the office, and I said, I think we could pull this off.
He was like, we have less than one week.
And we did it.
We spent $150,000, not on licensing, happy together, but on creating this video at the last minute.
I mean, people were literally up around the clock producing this video.
We were sound checking on stage at the Ryman, and we didn't have the finished video yet.
unidentified
Wow.
jeremy boring
Four hours before the show.
Then the show gets there, intermission comes along, people come back from intermission, thunder crackles through the Ryman and the stage comes to life and Smoking Mike and the God King made their reunion performance, and I got the exact reaction that I wanted.
Which was, I could see the people kind of still in the faint light of the front row going, what the?
Are they kidding?
Is this real?
Is this serious?
Which to me is always the funniest joke.
As I say in my Razor commercial, just because it's a joke doesn't mean it isn't real.
That's kind of my approach to those things.
libby emmons
I was at that show.
tim pool
Oh wow, you got to see it live.
That's amazing.
It actually is a really good song.
jeremy boring
Somebody should cover it one of these days.
I think it's got potential.
tim pool
Well, so, we should probably announce it, too, because it's two weeks out, but I'll keep it relatively vague.
Carter and I, mostly Carter Banks, the Delta Production, we have a modern cover of Smokey Mike and the God King together again, and my basic idea was Not too dissimilar to the experience you had with them telling you no, despite you offering lots of money.
The stranglehold the woke institutions have on these industries, I'm like, we need a double FU.
I want to do this thing.
So that'll be in a couple weeks, but we'll have more information later.
We wrapped the music video on it.
We're basically making fun of modern pop.
We made a modern synth pop version.
shane cashman
When it comes out, I ask everyone listening to please tag Anthony Fantano in that video.
My least favorite person in music criticism.
tim pool
I'll work on that.
So this will be fun.
But let's read some more superchats.
Let's, uh, let's, I'm gonna try to grab a good one.
Uh, let's see.
A lot of people talking about me being on Pop Culture Crisis.
That's fantastic.
Villainous V says, Tim, the woke lefties in Disney are more like those kids who have a PS4, but then get a PS5 and tell their parents, oh yeah, why don't I just give the PS4 to their friends while the parents get screwed?
What does that mean?
jeremy boring
I didn't track it.
tim pool
Yeah, me neither.
All right.
The Dude Abide says, here in Illinois, they tried asking surrounding towns throughout the state to take the migrants in an effort to clean up Chicago.
Assuming they're building large migrant camps must mean they weren't successful.
Illinois is tired of Chicago.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was pretty wild, too.
The aldermen are livid the way the city is being run during the Summer of Love riots.
The city diverted the riots into the neighborhoods by raising the bridges, sacrificing the residents for the financial and market districts.
shane cashman
Medieval.
tim pool
It's so hilarious, man.
shane cashman
Good lord.
tim pool
TheDudeAbides asks, Jeremy, is Matt Walsh going to be the Grumpy Dwarf?
jeremy boring
Well now he is!
tim pool
Well yeah, so Lady Ballers has basically the whole Day of the Wire crew in it.
Oh yeah.
Is Snow White and other movies going to be utilizing you guys?
jeremy boring
Well Snow White, you know, we have announced that our own Brett Cooper will play the titular character and as to who else will be in it I think, you know, we'll solve that as we go but on Lady Ballers in particular we went out to a lot of actors and they all told us no.
libby emmons
They said no.
jeremy boring
And I don't just mean that we went out to like, you know, the kind of actors who would say no, we went out to actors who are conservative.
We went out to actors who've told us in the past, we'd walk across class to be in a movie with you.
Please put us in your next day to our movie.
We went out to actors who have already been canceled.
Wow.
And it's not as though they read the script and didn't like it and then said, no, many of them on the phone, Hey, you want to do a movie?
A hundred percent.
What's it about?
About this ragtag bunch of high school, uh, former high school basketball players who realized that they can embrace modern gender theory and compete as women.
You know, it's crazy because of course they can't.
Which is why when people say, hey, what if you put this in theaters?
Of course you can't put this movie in theaters.
This is the third rail for the left.
This is their most religious issue.
This is the thing they care about the most because it's the ultimate attack on reality itself, which is the necessary precondition to their utopia coming to pass.
libby emmons
I think I'm going to be a great Wicked Queen.
jeremy boring
She would be.
unidentified
I think I'm going to buy a theater.
tim pool
I don't think we'll be able to do big blockbuster releases, but we will be able to have consistently in rotation movies from you guys and from Angel Studios and whatever.
jeremy boring
Love it.
tim pool
And it would just be a small local thing.
I don't think we'd break the bank with it, but we gotta build these physical spaces and have these opportunities.
jeremy boring
That's right.
tim pool
You know, over the holiday weekend, I was like, we should go see a movie.
I don't know.
We're bored.
What are we going to do?
What did we do?
We played poker.
Because there's nothing to do.
But it was fun.
It was fun.
We had a blast.
It really is fun social activity.
We were looking up movies, and it's like Wish.
And I'm just like, there's nothing.
There's nothing.
I'd love to take a Friday night.
We are going to see Shift on Friday, so we're excited for that.
And then, of course, very easily, we just have to log in to DWPlus to watch Ladyballers, so that's rather simple for us.
And then, oh, this is cool, Friday's going to be wild.
We're going to go see Shift.
We're going to be hanging out on The Culture War with Tyler Fisher, who's in Ladyballers.
jeremy boring
That's right.
tim pool
And he's a very funny guy.
And we have The Defiant coming to IRL, and they're going to be playing live in our new musical setup.
So it's just...
Really, really fun stuff.
jeremy boring
Will you have a disco ball by Friday?
tim pool
No, but we could.
libby emmons
You really ought to work on that, Tim.
tim pool
We have a crazy plan.
jeremy boring
I guess it's cool if you don't.
tim pool
The new facility that we're building is going to be the most ridiculous thing ever.
I have no idea.
I'm spending millions of dollars.
This is insane.
We're building one of the biggest private skate facilities for this new show.
We've got plans for this crazy shipping container music studio.
It's a 40-foot tall building with a three-story structure inside of it.
jeremy boring
You mentioned that to me before the show, but I don't understand what you're describing, but I don't understand why.
Why build a building in the building?
What's the advantage?
tim pool
So you have a steel building that is 38 feet by 8 tall in the center.
Inside of it, it's insulated, climate controlled, all up the ceiling.
We're building a skate park inside that also is designed to function as a stage in the corner where the bowl section is.
So there can be live performances of stand-up and music.
We're going to have on one wall movie theater length projection screen, massive, and a massive hanging projector.
Then in the back, you have a 25 by 75 structure.
First floor is a kitchen and a recording studio.
Second floor is a bar lounge and IRL studio.
And third floor is going to be lounge movie theater.
And so, the point is, we're doing a variety of shows on the first floor, IRL on the second floor, the kitchen will be potentially for, probably just for, you know, you're getting your drinks, you're getting your food, whatever.
Maybe.
Outside, to the left, is going to be a $500,000 concrete skate park.
And inside is going to be probably a $200,000 or $300,000 wooden skate park.
So it can be a bit more modular.
We can change it.
And this is for our massive action sports program that we're launching.
We're working with Ritchie Jackson, one of the best pros ever.
He's a street magician.
And we've got a bunch of other people involved.
We're launching a board company and a lot of products.
So the point is, Like, I'm a skateboarder.
When the wokeness started coming and attacking something that I cared about, I just launched every nuclear weapon that we had at it and said, no way, not happening.
I never filmed skateboarding.
I'm always minding my business.
And then only recently I started filming.
And, you know, I'm putting out clips that are getting a decent amount of attention because people were like, I didn't realize Tim was actually this good at skateboarding.
And in fact, I'm particularly good.
So, I always just kind of wanted to mind my own business and say, I don't care, you do whatever you want.
But now, they really are insulting and attacking skateboarding.
And I'll tell you what, I went to go skate in DC, and for no reason, I start getting attacked by these local skate companies, these team riders.
They start insulting me and posting online in various forums, lying about my capabilities.
And I'm like, this has gone too far.
I will mind my own business, but you go online and attack me for no reason when I said nothing to you, and then lie and claim I can't skate.
They said in these forums, Tim Pool can't do pop shove-its, which is like, for those that don't know, pop shove-it is one of the first thing that a kid learns.
It's where the board spins one time.
And so I have a trick that I put up.
It's got 600,000 views on Instagram, and it's getting a bunch of attention because it's a ridiculous trick, well beyond the capabilities of any of these people.
And that pissed me off.
When I'm seeing the reaction to wokeness invading these sports, especially, we're good friends with Taylor Silverman.
She works with us.
And she is a female skateboarding athlete who lost money to male competitors.
And when she said like, what's going on?
What really bothered me were all of these industry heads who are like, we completely agree with you.
This stuff's wrong, but we won't say anything.
And then I'm like, I will.
I'm gonna say it as loud as I can.
And then when these woke people try insulting me, They write, you know, we did a Culture War episode with Richie Jackson and Taylor, and Dennis, our filmer, and when they start insulting, saying, ha, Tim Pool, blah, blah, blah, I'm like, listen, buddy, we've got a multi-million dollar skate facility, we're building big parks, and we're inviting pros out, and the pros have already come and filmed with us, we're leaving you behind.
Your crackpot, far-left garbage will have nothing to do with the things that we love and care about, and we're already winning, and one day you will wake up in the corner, crying to yourself, because you are not gonna be able to hang out, because you're the weirdo.
But I'll tell you what, you drop all that weirdness, I don't care what you believe, come skate.
You want to be weird and a weird activist?
Then you're not skating with us.
shane cashman
Exactly.
tim pool
Anyway, that's my passion and my rage right now.
So here I am at 37, almost 38, and I'm like, time to get back in shape and get back to the crazy tricks I used to do when I was 19 so I can reinforce and kick these people out.
I love it.
I've got pro skateboarders who have hit me up, voted for Trump.
Prominent, 28-year-old, well-known, six-figure income, not the biggest skateboarders in the world.
And they're like, but I can't say anything, dude.
Like, I'll get my sponsors dropped.
And I'm like, I am sick of that.
Yeah.
I get it.
So my answer was simply this.
I talked to these big companies and I said, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
When you tell your writers not to say these things, because they'll get kicked off the team, I'm gonna give your writer double what you were paying them.
Then they can say whatever they want.
And they're like, ooh.
A couple of them were like, yes!
Because I don't really like associating with the ones who are like, let's do it, man!
And they're more cool about it.
All right, here we go.
GoldenFleeceGames says, referring to your France segments from earlier, the city of Lyon is pronounced Leon, not Lion.
Yes, I learned that after.
I'm not from France, you know.
Greg Duvier says, Jeremy's Silent Night dark chocolate is amazing.
Is that something you have?
jeremy boring
Hey, thank you.
Yeah, we just released our dark chocolate and milk chocolate with peppermint for Christmas.
libby emmons
Ooh, that sounds great.
tim pool
We'll have to order more.
We actually have a whole bunch still here.
We ordered large amounts of Jeremy's chocolate.
jeremy boring
Nuts and nutless?
tim pool
Yep!
And, uh, everybody preferred the without nuts.
libby emmons
I sure did.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, like, like three to one.
libby emmons
But I don't like nuts in my chocolate, just as a rule.
tim pool
I'm allergic to almonds.
unidentified
What?
jeremy boring
Well, that, that hurts.
I'm, as a somewhat famous chocolatier, I know it's somewhat counterproductive, but I actually so prefer dark chocolate to milk chocolate.
Agreed.
So I'm very happy to finally have a great dark chocolate out.
And before I left the country six months ago, a big part of what we were doing was taste testing and refining and making notes.
And I think we came up with a really, a really good recipe.
So I'm glad people are getting to experience it now.
tim pool
Let's get a couple more in here.
Ian Slater says, Jeremy, where can actors submit headshots and resumes for future movie projects?
jeremy boring
Yep.
Our producer on most of these projects is Dallas Saunier from Bonfire Legend.
He's been working with us since we first got into doing features, and he's very accessible.
If you reach out to Dallas online, you'll almost certainly get a response from him.
He's on Twitter as Bonfire Legend, on Instagram as Bonfire Legend.
That is always the best place.
Daily Wire proper is a hard place to submit for all kinds of reasons.
You know, there's a lot of legal restrictions.
I can't even open emails anymore.
unidentified
Right.
jeremy boring
Because you just, you put yourself in positions of high liability.
But Dallas is a great, a great first try.
And we're, you know, we're always looking for new talent.
tim pool
Yeah, I was I was saying, it would be great to see Ian get involved in some projects.
But as long as his character is going to be a Christian conservative suit wearing button down type, he can't be like, it has to be that.
Yeah, I would like to see that.
Yes.
Let's see, we'll grab one more.
Paul Taskalos says, Jeremy, I own a private jet charter company called Vault Aviation.
I'll happily sell you the company so you can rebrand it the Daily Flyer.
No better way to troll the climate cult than getting into carbon creation culture.
jeremy boring
I mean, that's a pretty great idea.
I love it.
Who doesn't want Jeremy's airlines?
tim pool
Oh, man.
I mean, that's the joke.
It's like, idiocracy, everything was Costco.
What's going to happen with the culture war is just... This would be a great skit, by the way.
Maybe you guys should do it where it's, you know, slowly over time, it's a narration of Jeremy just kept launching companies after every other company abandoned its principles.
And then it ends with you as an old man, and you're like sitting on a throne of gold, and you just... Everything in the United States is Jeremy's.
The roads have your name on it, the toll booths... You just bought it all.
jeremy boring
I mean, you basically just took my entire vision for my life and reduced it to a skit.
tim pool
Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us!
The Uncensored Members Only Show is coming up in a few minutes, we're going to take calls from you guys, it'll be a whole lot of fun.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL, you can follow me personally at TimCast.
Jeremy, do you want to shout anything out?
jeremy boring
Nope, just Lady Ballers dropping on December 1st.
That's Friday for Daily Wire Plus members.
If you've got kids, go over to Benkei, and if you've got a face, shave it with Jeremy's razors.
tim pool
When we finally do get our coffee shop open, what we wanted to do was Saturday Morning Cartoons was the event we call it.
jeremy boring
Yeah.
tim pool
The idea is to have families come with catered food, bring their kids, and the TVs will play approved family-friendly kids content.
And I would love to have Benkei when we get to that point.
jeremy boring
I know where you can find some.
tim pool
Absolutely.
shane cashman
I got two things.
Please go and read The Demon Hunters.
It's one of the most important stories I've ever written.
And support Alex and his work.
That's at scanner.com, sdnr.com.
And the second thing is, you and I talk a lot about synchronicities and weird things that match up.
And today is actually the year anniversary of Kanye West coming here, which is the day I met him.
tim pool
It's the anniversary of, who is they though?
shane cashman
Who is they?
And that story I wrote that weekend changed my life forever.
And they opened up a lot of new opportunities.
So thank you for that.
And thanks to Ye.
And here's to Libby.
tim pool
It's such an honor that Who is They Though was born out of this weird moment we had.
shane cashman
Beautiful.
Life's great.
It's been a crazy year.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
I would like to shout out ThePostMillennial.com.
You can become a subscriber at ThePostMillennial.com slash subscribe.
serge du preez
It has indeed been a crazy year.
shane cashman
Yes.
serge du preez
Yeah, and I am Surge.com.
I am all over the internet as Surge.com.
Please argue with me on Twix.
I do enjoy it.
Yeah, let's go to the after show, Tim.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a couple minutes.
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