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Nov. 2, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Sam Bankman-Fried GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS, Democrat Donor, FTX Founder w/Josh Smith
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hannah claire brimelow
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ian crossland
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joshua smith
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tim pool
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tim pool
As we're preparing to publish this show, we got breaking news.
FTX founder Sam Bankman-Freed has been found guilty on all charges, including multiple counts of fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering.
It's kind of funny, he's a big Democrat donor.
And there was also talk about, wasn't he the guy who was like offering Trump Hypothetically?
Billions of dollars not to run for president was at him hypothetically. Yeah, I bet it was that was that was what
ian crossland
was going It was never confirmed, but people were saying hey he might
have offered like how much would you like it to not run for president?
joshua smith
I think there's a bunch of people that were close to him that actually said that he it was he was offering that
tim pool
something Okay, so this is breaking news right now
The other story we were planning on leading off with is that a judge in Connecticut overturned a Democrat primary after video emerged of ballot stuffing.
And the interesting thing about this is that it's not a victory.
The general election is still happening, and it is presumed that the candidate who should not be the candidate on the ballot is still going to win.
So this is a really, really interesting story.
We'll talk about that.
Plus, the invasion in Gaza is interesting.
We had on the show someone talk about the strategy that Israel would take in Gaza if they were to invade, and that would be to bifurcate the Gaza Strip.
I think it might have been Max Blumenthal, but this is exactly what Israel is doing right now, so we'll talk about that.
We got a bunch of other stories.
The House passed a bill for Israel funding, but no Ukraine funding.
And they're saying it's gonna be dead in the Senate now because of that, but I think it's hilarious that Ukraine's basically been cut off.
Poor Zelensky.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Joshua Smith.
joshua smith
Hey, thanks so much for having me again, Tim.
I appreciate it.
tim pool
Who are you?
unidentified
What do you do?
joshua smith
I am currently a candidate for president for the Libertarian Party.
I am the host of Break the Cycle podcast on YouTube every Thursday evening at 730 Central time and I am a father of six was past National Committee for the Libertarian Party and anti-war activist since 2008 I'm also a anti-communist and counter-revolutionary in case Phil's not here.
unidentified
It's a very very original Failed musician very failed musician Right on.
tim pool
Well, thanks for hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should follow at TimCastNews on every social media platform ever.
And Ian's here, of course.
ian crossland
Hi, everybody.
Actor and very successful musician Ian Crossland coming at you hard.
Subscribe to me on YouTube.
serge du preez
Uh, I'm Serge.com, uh, good to have you back again.
ian crossland
Thanks.
serge du preez
Yeah, missed the energy.
ian crossland
Your hair looks great.
serge du preez
Thanks, bro, appreciate it.
tim pool
Anyway, speaking of Sam Bankman-Freed... Here's the big breaking news!
As of 7.51pm CNBC, Sam Bankman-Freed found guilty on all seven criminal fraud counts.
The month-long trial of Sam Bankman-Freed wrapped on Thursday.
Uh, I say a jury has found him guilty on all seven criminal, uh, criminal counts.
The former FTX CEO faces a maximum sentence of 115 years in prison.
Bankman freed the 31-year-old son, 31-year-old son of two Stanford legal scholars and graduate of MIT has pleaded, had pleaded not guilty to charges including wire fraud, securities fraud, etc, etc, etc.
We get all that stuff.
The trial ended, blah, blah, blah.
We get it.
Okay, alright, alright.
All this, this is just like the, the bits and bobs we don't care about.
Who was this guy?
What was he doing?
He was a big Democrat donor.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
And there's a lot of speculation that he was basically using these schemes to help fund Democrat politicians.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he donated to over 300 political campaigns and directly to the DNC.
joshua smith
There's another big conspiracy theory that the money that was going through Ukraine was coming back through him to the DNC.
That was the big conspiracy theory.
I don't know if it's been proven yet or not, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
tim pool
Yeah, I can't remember what that was.
It's been so long.
We're seriously getting ready for this show and we're like, oh, look at this big voter cheating story.
And then, boom, breaking news, Bankman Freed is found guilty on all counts.
But it is a fact that he was this big Democrat donor.
The money he was making What was he like?
He wasn't that well off.
And then he started FTX and all of a sudden he skyrocketed in net worth and capital.
Billions.
Yeah, billions.
And then he immediately starts funding a bunch of Democrat politicians.
Now I'll just, I'll be nice.
I shouldn't be, but I'll be nice.
That doesn't implicate any of these politicians, but it certainly shows that the people, at least some of the most powerful people, here it is, who are funding these politicians are criminals who are using dirty methods of funding these politicians.
And then I've got questions about how ActBlue operates.
James O'Keefe with the OMG Media Group did a big story about, and it's coming from
them, that money from China was flowing through Actablew.
So I got a lot of questions about what these people are up to.
joshua smith
That wouldn't surprise me either.
I'd gladly trade SBF for Ross Ulbricht today to the federal prison.
We should get Ross out there.
He created an e-commerce website.
tim pool
Did he though?
joshua smith
Did he actually create it?
I mean, maybe.
tim pool
people who don't aren't familiar the he's the Dread Pirate Roberts
Joe Rhoad, for people who aren't familiar, he's the Dread Pirate Roberts.
joshua smith
Well, they say that but he did Yeah, I mean he was the creator of Silk Road, but he they
Well, yeah, they say that.
But he was the creator of Silk Road.
unidentified
There were several Dread Pirate Roberts, but they don't Did he actually create it? Yeah, I mean maybe so road for
joshua smith
don't know if he was there was several Dread Pirate Roberts But they don't know if he was the one that had to do with
the murder for hire stuff They just brought it up in court dragged him through the
mud and then dropped all those charges and then put him in the prison
tim pool
For two and a half life sentences, right? This is the Silk Road
this is where people were buying and trading a bunch of stuff whether it was legal or not and
The username was Dread Pirate Roberts. So one of them. Yeah, one of them the argument was
He makes this or someone made it and they pass it off to someone else and they just share this name
You guys have seen The Princess Bride.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
The truth is, I am not the Dread Pirate Robots.
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
The real Dread Pirate Robots died years ago.
joshua smith
It was really genius.
I mean, if you think about it, the way they ran that, but he's in prison for two and a half life sentences for an e-commerce website and nothing more, really.
I mean, that's basically what it was.
tim pool
Tucker Carlson went to meet Julian Assange.
You see that?
joshua smith
I did see that.
I have not watched- I mean, the episode hasn't come out yet, but yeah, I saw that he went to meet with him.
tim pool
But I don't know if they're filming anything.
I don't know if he's able to film in prison.
He should.
joshua smith
God, I hope they let him.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That'd be interesting.
But either way, I'm curious if y'all think this is a blip.
This guy getting caught, getting busted, or I think this may be a component that we've seen of the faltering of the neo-corporate, liberal, neocon, neolib establishment.
Its schemes are failing.
Some people like to say since Epstein got taken down, it started to look like it's unraveling, perhaps?
I don't know.
Maybe this was their attempt at creating some kind of alternate, creepy, international funding scheme?
No idea.
But, when you see stories like this, it certainly is a grain of sand, at least, in the heap of all of these, like, Surreptitious plans and like shady deals they used to do are getting exposed every day.
I mean you look at the Biden stuff.
They're now saying $40,000 went to Joe or something like that.
You know like more money is being found traced to him.
I kind of feel good about it.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
What do you think?
joshua smith
I definitely think that this is just one of many.
I don't think this is the only instance like this and you know, these people absolutely hate us and want to sick and tired and dead mostly.
No, but I mean these are the people that are funding them.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's probably going to be, if the mainstream media can, they'll spin it to be like, this is why you should fear crypto.
This is what the issue is.
Never trust crypto.
Don't look for alternative currency.
People who push alternative currencies are, you know, scamming you or whatever else.
They'll try to avoid the fact that he was ultimately in the camp of the DNC.
And that's what I am concerned about.
joshua smith
They're only going to break the altcoins because the Bitcoin community is way too strong.
ian crossland
Yeah, but what he was doing is running an exchange.
The cryptos themselves are legit.
Some of them are extremely legit.
hannah claire brimelow
I believe that, but I think the average American is not so well-versed in crypto to understand the differences.
joshua smith
So we've got to get them more well-versed.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think that's great, but people are now racing the mainstream media who's trying to protect the DNC.
Right?
They're going to say, no, no, it's not that he was taking money from Democrats or trying to influence anything political.
It's this technology that you're scared of.
And I say that as a full-on technophobe, right?
If you are afraid of crypto, you don't really understand the difference between an exchange and the coins and all currency or whatever else, you're going to say, this guy scammed a lot of people and the mainstream media says that I can't trust them.
And that's what they want you to believe.
They don't want you to make the political connection.
joshua smith
Well then we need to be ready with the counter-narrative that that's fine, just Bitcoin's much safer.
tim pool
They can't stop crypto.
They can't stop crypto because too many people are just sitting there waiting for their get-rich-quick scheme because they don't quite understand how it works.
But I think, you know, when I talk to regular people who don't get it, the only thing the average person, I like, When I talk to regular people, I typically hear, first and foremost, do you think it's gonna go up?
Because everybody remembers when it jumps to like 20k and people got rich overnight.
Everybody remembers when it jumped to 60k and people got rich overnight.
And everybody is just waiting for that opportunity to jump on the next wave.
And then it goes back down.
I mean, it went to like 60 and went down to what, like 17?
Yeah, but zoom out.
joshua smith
It's never actually gone down.
I mean, it's had a pullback.
tim pool
It's like kaboom, spike, spike, spike.
Well, it's because of the way Bitcoin operates.
I think we're due for a halving soon, aren't we?
joshua smith
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
I heard that last week.
tim pool
I mean, it's scheduled.
I just don't track the schedule.
ian crossland
Is it next April or something?
tim pool
Something like that.
And I'm not going to pretend to know what that means.
But a lot of people are like, oh, boy, get ready, because basically what this means is The super simple, not, I don't run a Bitcoin company, but the super simple version is the amount of energy to produce, the amount of energy required per Bitcoin is going to double.
ian crossland
Yeah, the block rewards are cut in half, basically.
tim pool
And that means if it costs, let's just do dry units.
100 units of energy to create one Bitcoin, after it's cut in half, it's gonna be 200 units of energy for one Bitcoin, meaning your costs will double, And you're going to have to charge more.
No one's going to want to sell.
Like for this reason, that's basically forcing the prices to go up.
Not to mention, it's the attrition of Bitcoin itself.
ian crossland
Yeah, specifically in April 2024, the block rewards will decrease from 6.25 to 3.125.
What was this?
tim pool
Max Keiser offered Alex Jones 10,000 Bitcoins last week or whatever?
ian crossland
Did you see the Twitter of him going, we're not selling!
I was like screaming on stage.
unidentified
We're not selling!
tim pool
But wait, wait, wait.
So the story is, Max offered Alex Jones 10,000 bitcoins, 300-something million dollars by today's standard, and Alex didn't care and lost it or something, said whatever.
And then Max told him, I'll give you another 10,000 if you can answer five Bitcoin questions, and Alex couldn't do it.
And apparently they were not complicated questions, but they're questions like, basically, if you're in Bitcoin, you knew, and he offered him $300 million.
joshua smith
Well, that's not even enough to cover half of his fines, unfortunately.
tim pool
No, but a third!
Yeah, that's the funny thing.
If he actually gave him the crypto, it would be gone in two seconds because the government sees it.
ian crossland
By the way, I did a show with Chase Geiser this morning.
joshua smith
I love Chase.
ian crossland
He's a good friend.
InfoWars.
That's what made me think about it earlier.
Check it out.
joshua smith
Also when you're wondering is crypto gonna go up you also got to ask yourself is the US dollar gonna go down Yeah, because it's they're inversely proportionate We really need to be we need to get out of this like is it gonna go up and down?
Like narrative and I'm not in that we got it.
We got to figure out a way to like Pass this this dream of mass adoption because it's gonna be so important if we ever look if the the central banking system ever fails And it's not about when it's about if I believe that it will eventually know you mean if it's when Yeah, that's what I meant.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
I mixed that up.
But yeah, absolutely.
When it happens, you know, if you're on something that already has a framework worked out, you're going to feel a lot less blood than the normal person who has no other.
ian crossland
I could see Amazon Jeff Bezos just being like, now you can pay with Bitcoin.
joshua smith
I could see something like that happening.
That's a part of mass adoption.
And the more people that accept Bitcoin, the closer we get to that mass adoption.
tim pool
The more that people start buying Bitcoin, the more Bitcoin stabilizes, and you stop seeing these price fluctuations.
joshua smith
The big pullbacks and stuff like that.
And people got to start thinking about it as what it is.
It's a unit of money.
When you can start making purchases with it, it's... El Salvador!
Yeah, and people in Salvador are doing great things.
I mean, the economy's been pretty well off since they've done that.
ian crossland
Well, it gets me, though.
If you look at the entire crypto market, all of them, according to CoinMarketCap.com, the entire market's $1.3 trillion.
That's like nothing compared to the U.S.
The U.S.
could print that up and buy it all.
It's just a matter of finding it.
But, like, it doesn't seem stable to me that it's that little and it could be that moved around by the global governments.
Why do you disagree?
joshua smith
I just, I don't think that they will.
I don't, I think that they want, they want full control over the blockchain, right?
And so that's why they're going to push CBDCs because those, they'll have the opportunity to shut down your money on the spot.
You know what I mean?
They could take, if you said the wrong thing on the internet, they could shut down your money.
Boom.
They want that kind of control.
They don't have that kind of control with Bitcoin.
tim pool
Yeah, but they could easily get it.
joshua smith
I disagree.
I just don't think that I don't think I don't think I don't think they care enough about it to do that I think that they want to find a way to tax it, but there's also other there's other ways to have anonymous Bitcoin exchange as well You know like level two and and lightning network and stuff like that too.
It's becoming more anonymous It's not it's not becoming more like government friendly as we as time goes on the issue is once there is Look, it's really this simple.
tim pool
New York City says, if you accept Bitcoin from our banned list, then we are going to fine you $10,000 a day.
And we already saw what happened with masks.
They will all immediately bend the knee.
So you can't stop someone from having Bitcoin, sure, but government can stop you from being able to use it.
ian crossland
But Miami actually is encouraging it.
tim pool
And what they'll do is, if they really want to ban you, they will issue a mandate to all terminals At stores, these addresses are on the ban list.
And they'll argue, these are terrorists and criminals, and if you facilitate through these... So, what'll happen then is, smaller level businesses will say, can we get something that will instantly add these addresses to our terminals?
Because we can't track all this.
Then a company will be like, we're terminal safe.
Make sure you're not funding terrorism.
Upload our government approved, you know, ban list, and you're only banning people who are terrorists.
joshua smith
And then, Well, that's also why we need like government officials that are gonna like ban chainalysis and and like, you know Bitcoin trackers and stuff that the federal government is now The federal government will absolutely The decentralized revolution is gonna eventually find a way around it whether whether it's a new kind of web development or something It's gonna come along that will
tim pool
I feel like people make this mistake with a lot of things.
Politics and technology are not as relevant as culture and morals.
And so, when you look at everything in this country that people are complaining about, I'm like, yeah, our culture has completely decayed.
Our morals are gone.
And you've got people who are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to take whatever they want because they don't care.
I want to save a little bit of this for later because I was watching some of the trial of the Minnesota Trump hearing on the 14th amendment.
We know what's going to happen with this.
The judges don't care what's right, they care about winning for their ideology.
joshua smith
Yeah, they're partisan now.
tim pool
Right, I'm like, nothing, your technology doesn't matter, okay?
The guy with the, unless it's a civil war.
New York City.
We'll simply say, in a mandate, if you accept from these Bitcoin addresses, we will fine you $10,000.
And every business will drop to their knees and beg, deady government, please make it easy for us to not accidentally facilitate these transactions.
ian crossland
But if you did that, the person could send their Bitcoin from that address to a different address.
tim pool
And all they have to do is say, Any Bitcoin that transfers from this edge to the next is now persona non grata.
And then you're going to be like, dude, are you on the list?
Don't screw my Bitcoin, bro.
I can't trade with you.
ian crossland
That would be like shooting yourself in the foot.
If an economy did that to themselves, they'd be like...
They'd be in the dust.
joshua smith
They are trying to push for stuff like that currently.
It's a legit thing that's going on right now.
tim pool
I guarantee you, by today's standards, with AI and machine learning, they can easily create algorithms tracking active blockchain transactions.
They know who you are.
They know what you're buying.
And even if you create a new wallet, they will know because they're spying on your phone.
They're going to know if the addresses are being operated from the same device, where the transactions are.
They're going to know it's you.
joshua smith
Yeah, but you can get around that, too.
You can get around the device stuff.
You can use Tor and all kinds of different stuff, too.
tim pool
You are not going to be able to beat an AI.
You will- You are not going to walk into a McDonald's and be like, heh, my burner phone's gonna beat the AI.
It's gonna go, bam!
And you're gonna go, what?
Why isn't it working?
I just bought a burner phone and put money- Because they tracked- They're tracking you.
Put your phone in the freezer, put it under running water, ditch it.
There's cameras everywhere.
I mean, you look at these Amazon stores.
My point is, it is possible that we find a way to overcome this.
joshua smith
I'm just saying... Well, they're actively working on ways to overcome it now.
tim pool
I mean, that's, you know, the Lightning Network was part of that, so... There needs to be a cultural shift in what we are willing to accept and tolerate right now, because humans absolutely, Americans especially, tolerate being spied on, and we are walking, we are zombie walking into social credit scores.
joshua smith
Sure, I don't disagree with you at all.
I absolutely 100% think that America is headed towards social credit scores.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think they're going to market it to something that's good for you, right?
It's convenient.
Of course.
I think about that, this girl on Instagram, Chip Girl, and she's got like whatever in her hand and she can pay for stuff.
And this is her whole social media influencer, you know, I'm sure she talks about other things.
The fact that she is chipped is a big deal, and it becomes glamorous, right?
She's also constantly showing off her luxury goods, etc, etc.
joshua smith
It's gonna be part of the CBDCs, though.
It's all gonna come down to that CBDC.
tim pool
Chipping is not gonna be a thing, at least for now.
And the reason is rejection.
So, when you put a chip under your skin... They can reject it.
Yeah, people can reject it.
And so that's not foolproof.
Some people will be fine, some people will not be fine.
joshua smith
It'll be part of your CBDC wallet.
hannah claire brimelow
What I mean is that they'll market social credit store as like, well, it's so convenient for you.
Look, it's easier and faster to do things.
I think people won't see it coming because it'll be misrepresented to them for what it is.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Sure.
Sure.
My theory is that what happens is we're going to have a financial crisis.
We're gonna have a banking collapse.
Maybe only 20% of the U.S.
banks collapse.
joshua smith
That's a huge percentage.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
It's a huge percentage.
But it's not 100.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's not 30.
joshua smith
It's gonna be at least 20 for sure.
unidentified
20%.
joshua smith
There's no doubt.
tim pool
And then what happens?
Let's say you're... Give me a bank that's not too big, but big enough.
joshua smith
Oof, I don't know.
tim pool
It's tough, right?
I mean, let's do... We're out here.
joshua smith
They're so big now.
tim pool
What do we got?
PNC.
joshua smith
PNC, sure.
tim pool
PNC, I see them in PA.
A little bit smaller, but they're still kind of big.
A bank like that fails.
And then what happens is everybody who's got this account says, my business.
The payroll for my employees.
joshua smith
Right.
tim pool
Look, my business, we had $500,000 in the account.
I gotta pay my wait, my server staff.
I gotta buy new pizza rolls.
What am I gonna do?
My bank account's gone.
Federal government immediately snaps their fingers.
Within a couple days, they say, we are bailing out the American people.
This is not about big business.
This bank went under, we're mad, but we are going to insure all of the money for all of these people, 100%.
Not up to $250,000 like FDIC says, we're going to insure all of it.
Rest assured, small business, you will pay your employees tomorrow.
Simply download CBDC app at GooglePlay.com and download FedDollar.
And they're gonna say, in order to get access to your account, input your social security number, your account number, and your information into CBDC app, and you will get the US dollar equivalent of FedCoin.
joshua smith
I'll tell you right now, if CBDCs had already been a thing during the COVID crisis, the passports would have been a thing.
tim pool
Let me slow down for everybody.
Central Bank Digital Currency.
joshua smith
Yes, correct.
tim pool
Because I know a lot of people are like, CBDC, we're going too fast.
hannah claire brimelow
You're in the jargon now.
tim pool
Central Bank Digital Currency.
The idea is Bitcoin is decentralized.
And everything I explained about how they'll try to take it over is what they'll have to try to do.
If the federal government or the Fed can launch a central bank digital currency like FedCoin, they will have instant access and control to everything.
And then you get social credit scores.
But they don't need to tell you they're rolling out social credit scores.
They will just exist.
You'll get a notification on your app, and it will be like, we're concerned about some activity on your external profiles.
They've already introduced the idea of off-platform behavior.
joshua smith
All your healthcare stuff's gonna be on there, too.
I mean, that's the scary part.
You'll have no more privacy.
ian crossland
It just sounds like they're setting up for a black market if they try and do stuff like that.
People get pissed off.
They don't want a pissed-off population right now.
tim pool
But a black market doesn't matter, okay?
Like, you know, Seamus makes this point about abortion when the left says, yeah, but if you ban abortion, there'll be black market abortions.
And he was right.
And most of it will still be illegal, and that will stop most of it.
Great.
There's always gonna be illegal activity.
So, the concerning thing, I suppose, You're gonna have this app, and we've already seen on Twitter and Facebook and YouTube, you can be banned for what they call off-platform behavior.
joshua smith
Right, yep.
tim pool
The CBDC app is gonna have terms and conditions, and it's gonna say, you agree that if you use this app, you can't do these things, and the people who are in a crisis, whose bank accounts have been, you know, have collapsed and are gone, they're gonna sign anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, what do you do?
They erased your business overnight?
Oh no!
And it's no one's fault!
The bank just failed!
joshua smith
Do you remember PayPal trying to do that?
Trying to fine people for off-platform behavior?
ian crossland
Yes!
joshua smith
They tried to fine them!
unidentified
And instead they just ban people who do stuff they don't like.
tim pool
They have this provision on PayPal.
It's $2,500 for some kind of hate speech provision.
They will fine you.
joshua smith
They'll fine you?
tim pool
For saying naughty words!
joshua smith
Not just like not take your money.
I mean, they will fine you.
They will give you a fine.
If you have no money in your PayPal, you will be negative $2,500.
tim pool
So the crisis scenario is scary.
But how about the tax benefit scenario where they say, we're rolling out a federal banking app?
They're going to say something like, these predatory lending companies and banks are charging an arm and a leg.
Why is it that if you're poor, the bank charges you money?
You look at your bank account, you've only got 25 bucks.
The next day you look at negative 15, they charged you for that because you didn't have enough in your account.
Now you're negative.
Now you owe them money.
But if you're rich, they pay you.
That is unfair.
The post office will be opening holdings accounts for all... Yes, right.
For all Americans, download the post office app.
It is a no-fee...
Bank account for you, the American people, with interest rates.
No more overdraft charges.
Now you've got a federal government banking system.
You download the app.
You agree to their terms of service.
Don't say naughty words.
joshua smith
And they're monitoring every single transaction I make.
Every single thing you buy.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story.
We'll jump into the news here.
As we're talking about, you know, Sam Bankman freed and political corruption.
This is a big story that broke yesterday.
Connecticut judge overturns results of mayoral primary just days before election.
Why?
Because they got evidence on camera of a Democrat ballot stuffing.
Wednesday's ruling is the latest twist in an election centering on allegations of absentee ballot abuse.
The election captured widespread public attention after a video surfaced online, appearing to show a supporter of incumbent Mayor Joe Gannon stuffing stacks of papers into an absentee ballot dropbox.
I wonder if, uh... I think we have the, uh... There's a video of it.
Yeah, there's a video.
So, uh, this is an image.
joshua smith
These are the people that govern you, by the way.
tim pool
You know, these news outlets, they really do not want to play the video.
You gotta get the video on Twitter.
I'll pull it up in a second.
But, uh, here's what's interesting.
They're not stopping the election.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
This guy won the primary.
They've now overturned the primary.
Doesn't matter, he's still on the ballots.
The general election is about to happen.
It's presumed he's going to win.
And they speculate that when he does, this will end any challenge to the primary.
joshua smith
Well, with electioneering it like that, how could you lose?
You know, it's just crazy.
tim pool
I suppose the answer is you can't.
joshua smith
Exactly.
That's that's the game boys.
That's what they do.
They want sorry.
hannah claire brimelow
I just I just think about like every time they're like this doesn't happen.
This is something that Republicans made up because there's they're just crazy.
They're sad.
They lost or whatever else and then there's this video of this woman doing exactly a thing that people fear and believe happens in their elections.
joshua smith
Well, my favorite narrative is like everyone when Joe Biden got elected and everyone's like, oh, it was totally above board.
That stuff never happens.
And I'm like, you're the same people that were doing this when Trump won, when Bush won your talk.
Everyone's talking about the voting machines when Bush won.
I mean, you've been doing this for for decades.
And now all of a sudden they're above board entirely.
There's no election interference.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
I found the video.
It's not even easy to find this video.
Here you go.
Here's the video that allegedly is of a Democrat ballot stuffing.
ian crossland
Who is she?
tim pool
Um, we'll pull up the name from the article in a second.
joshua smith
And they have several videos of her doing it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Right, right.
This is a minute and 53 seconds long.
joshua smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So, uh, let's jump.
joshua smith
Oh, they said that she came back several times.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Drop number two.
joshua smith
And how many ballot boxes are they?
tim pool
What's her name?
They got, they got her name in here too, I think.
Here she goes again.
This is, uh, Wanda.
joshua smith
Wanda.
That's all we get, I guess.
ian crossland
I think we should say her full name so people know.
tim pool
So here's the crazy thing.
Let me see if it's in this article.
unidentified
Is it?
tim pool
They don't have it.
No, they don't have her name in the article.
Here's the thing people need to understand.
When Donald Trump and his supporters were suing over stories like this, it is a lie that they were all thrown out.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Of the majority... I think the majority of the cases were thrown out on standing, arguing the individuals who filed the suits did not have a... they were not affected.
In this case, therefore, they had no legal right to sue.
joshua smith
It had nothing to do with the contents of the lawsuit at all.
tim pool
Which is insane.
Any voter, any citizen in this country has standing, in my opinion.
Of the cases, I think there were 30 that were ruled on the merits.
22 were found to be in favor of Trump.
However, because in each of these individual cases, either the number of ballots or some other issues, for instance, one example is the number of ballots did not equal a large enough number to have changed the election.
It was ruled moot.
joshua smith
Right.
tim pool
It doesn't matter if we win for you anyway, because you still lost the election.
joshua smith
But it doesn't mean there was no electioneering going on.
tim pool
There was certainly fraud.
Bill Barr said there was fraud.
The question is, was there enough to overturn the election?
The courts said, look, yes, you found 300 ballots in fraud, but there's a 7,000 margin here, so what's the point of this?
Because these courts do not take action on those, it keeps happening.
And then what happens when you get 15 judges in one state, and you get 15 instances where it's 100 votes, or I'll say 1,000, And the margin 7,000.
And now there's 15,000 fraudulent ballots confirmed by courts, but because each individual judge looks at one small individual case, they dismiss all of them.
I don't think that is the case for the most part when it came to Trump.
My point is, on a granular level, we can see directly local elections are easily, easily flipped.
With one person doing something like this.
hannah claire brimelow
And this is Democrat v. Democrat.
This is a Democratic primary in a blue state, and they are still stuffing boxes.
tim pool
It's the only reason we're hearing about it.
hannah claire brimelow
I know, but that's what's interesting.
This is the thing that when it happens, when conservatives or Republicans or third-party candidates say, hey, we were in some ways, there was fraud in our elections.
It's typically left-leaning candidates and left-leaning supporters who are like, no, it never happens.
But it happens in their own primaries.
How can they argue against this?
joshua smith
I promise you it's not the third parties doing it.
So I just want everyone to know.
unidentified
Everyone knows the Libertarians are the ones secretly rigging the election for Democrats.
joshua smith
We're the ones rigging it for the Democrats.
And the funny thing is, the Democrats should be just as worried about it, not just because it's happening in their own primary, but because maybe Republicans in small towns are doing it too.
Everybody should be worried about this.
There's no chance that this is an isolated event.
We know that.
And everyone should wake up and be worried about these things.
tim pool
One of my favorite things in elections, every four years, you'll get conservatives being like, If these Libertarians just voted for the Republican Party, then we would have won!
And I'm like, my guy, the Libertarians don't like you.
joshua smith
Yeah, we don't like you at all.
hannah claire brimelow
Libertarians are like, if Republicans just voted for us, we would just win.
joshua smith
If you guys are just not voting for this like deeply entrenched corrupt party that you'd have a better chance of changing
the NYPD By yourself than you would have getting like, you know
700 people together and trying to change the Republican Party at a federal level least the
Republicans a state and local can do stuff like my governor and I was been great on a lot of things, you know
But like this, you know There's a lot of little small like positions that the
libertarians can win and do when we win 200 Election cycle or something like that. Do you feel like the
hannah claire brimelow
Libertarian Party?
Focus is not enough on the small I've heard this argued before that
It often is like trying to be at the top of the ticket when really they should focus on capturing key positions
joshua smith
Our biggest problems is resources. I mean with the national the National Party runs on like 1.7 million dollars a year
They can't help a presidential candidate almost at all presidential candidates tasked with keeping us ballot
access Raising all their own funds all that stuff
But we do run a lot of down ballot candidates I think in 2022 with the Mises caucus takeover that became
the bigger focus was the localization nullification of you know
Federal law at the state and local level and that's the really important thing that that
Any like presidential candidate for Libertarian Party should be doing this media tour talking about how hey you
could take over your local guns You can take over your school board
You know, all these terrible policies that the schools are doing.
You have the opportunity to run.
If you've got a Tuesday and a Wednesday free every week, you can go run for school board.
You know, it's not that hard.
tim pool
And you should.
joshua smith
And you should, yes.
tim pool
Even in West Virginia, woke people are masquerading as Trump supporters to get elected.
joshua smith
Of course.
tim pool
And then introduce weird crackpot adult content to kids.
joshua smith
Yeah, you should be running.
You should be running.
If you have two weeknights free a month or something, I mean, you could really run for some of these small positions in small towns and change everything.
hannah claire brimelow
So where do you see the most libertarian activity in the U.S.?
Like, I always think New Hampshire.
I've interviewed a couple of libertarians from North Carolina in the past.
joshua smith
Well, I can tell you the most registered libertarian voters per capita is Nebraska.
But that's because New Hampshire, like, when they did the Free State Project, they all registered as Republicans and Democrats to take over those positions as Republicans and Democrats.
That's changing now in New Hampshire.
Of course, a lot more people are joining the Libertarian Party there.
hannah claire brimelow
What happened in Nebraska?
joshua smith
They're a pretty libertarian state.
I don't know.
We're in Iowa.
We're not far behind them in Iowa as well.
The Libertarian Party is a national major political party in Iowa because of our gubernatorial candidate who ran in the last election.
He got a high enough percentage.
We don't have to worry about ballot access or anything like that anymore.
Now we need a presidential candidate that can step up and do those things so that we don't have to worry about it anymore.
tim pool
You need like 5%, right?
joshua smith
There's some speculation it might be a little bit higher, closer to 12%, but every state's different is the thing, right?
Like every state has a different threshold.
So there's like over half the states, if we were to get 5%, we'd never have to worry about ballot access again, at least not for another four years.
So it's an important thing.
If you're in a swing state and you're not worried about your candidate losing there, throw a vote at us.
Let's get seven to 12%.
You have to register as a libertarian?
In some states.
All states are different.
They all have different election laws.
So it just really depends.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
So what do you expect going into this cycle?
I mean, where are you expecting to spend the most time?
joshua smith
It's going to be an interesting cycle with RFK running for sure, but there's a chance.
You know, everyone's really worried about RFK, but there's a chance he doesn't get on the ballot, right?
He's running independent.
It's going to cost him millions and millions and millions of dollars to get on the ballot in all 50 states.
He may get on in a few states, but I don't think he's going to be on the ballot in every state.
So it's not as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be.
We're focusing on 50 states.
I mean, that's that's the thing.
We want as many votes in the popular vote as possible all the way across the country so that we can hit like at least a 5% and or maybe we do well enough in the media and we get that 15% in some of the big polls and we can get on the debate stage because that's really what we want.
If we can look Donald Trump and Joe Biden in the eyes and tell him how bad their policies are hurting the middle class in America, like that's what we want to do, you know, because that's what really what this is all about.
So that's that's the focus for me.
It was my campaign all 50 states.
tim pool
No foreign wars.
joshua smith
No foreign wars, uh, you know, try to dismantle the Federal Reserve as much as possible.
Of course, take down as many of these federal agencies as we possibly can.
Um, and, and Vivek is right about this.
I mean, we, we can't as a president, you don't have the power to go out there and abolish all these federal agencies, but you can lay off 70% of the workforce.
tim pool
Or just relocate them to Unalaska.
joshua smith
Well, you can get rid of 70% and then take the last 30% and relocate them to maintenance departments and mail rooms at little precincts around the country.
And then, you know, maybe we get the FBI small enough to where they stop focusing on trying to infiltrate Catholic groups and go after, uh, you know, uh, soccer moms at school board meetings to call them.
tim pool
I'm telling you, I got a plan to revitalize this country and it's easy.
How many, how many federal, uh, uh, employees are there?
Do you know?
joshua smith
Oh, a lot.
I don't know.
It's one of the biggest jobs programs in the world.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
I got an idea.
All right.
We'll start with the FBI.
How many FBI agents do we got?
unidentified
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I'll look it up.
tim pool
Yeah, let's pull up.
Let's pull those numbers.
You got the FBI, ATF.
You want to abolish the IRS, right?
joshua smith
Well, I mean, as much as possible.
tim pool
Right.
The first one.
The first one.
No, no.
Don't worry.
I got a plan.
How many?
How many do we got, Hannah-Claire?
hannah claire brimelow
I haven't found it yet.
I'll tell you in a second.
unidentified
enough to infiltrate catholic groups no i love it but i think they might uh... thirty five
thousand people but i feel like it's got to be i've been out of town probably
tim pool
more than you do you don't have a firearm
you know that if i were to do is you take one thousand
you you you get thirty five units of a thousand and you relocate them
into rural nowhere places like central alaska
I'll tell you why.
Because then those federal dollars will go towards creating cities where it will require the development of industry.
Right, sure.
Not only are you going to force people to live in areas, you're basically colonizing our own country.
So, you know, we got a bunch of stuff in Alaska.
We should go up there and source our own resources, stop worrying on China.
joshua smith
You've never been to Alaska in the winter, have you?
tim pool
I don't care.
This is great.
They can quit if they want.
joshua smith
There's a reason why people don't live there, Tim.
tim pool
But before you fire them, you say, we're going to give you, you know, like four more years of employment, but it's going to be in Alaska.
joshua smith
Sure.
tim pool
Have a nice day. And then when they're there, you're gonna have to build housing, you're gonna
have to build infrastructure. Then what happens is these people, they need to eat, right? So
someone's gonna open a store. Someone's gonna open a restaurant. Then when you have workers there,
you have the opportunity to colonize our own country instead of seeing our cities die.
How about this? I was looking at this city, Renovo, Pennsylvania.
video.
And I was like, this is a really cool town, but it's dying.
It was a railway town.
And there's like a thousand people live there.
Just send 500 FBI agents.
You gotta live there now.
You're stationed here.
And then all of a sudden, you're revitalizing that town and giving these people their jobs back.
You see what I'm saying?
And then after four years, you fire them.
joshua smith
Do we have to give them a full four years, Tim?
Can we do like maybe one?
Here's my point.
tim pool
You're basically using them as a means to help middle Americans revitalize their towns and create some kind of, like, revitalization for these areas that need industry, and then you get rid of them.
joshua smith
Yeah, but we're simply not going to have the funding for that.
hannah claire brimelow
There were 2.87 million federal civilian employees in 2022.
unidentified
Wow!
hannah claire brimelow
How many? 2.8.
joshua smith
Like soft gulags a giant woman and you got to add to that Okay, so that's a huge jobs program right probably one of the biggest jobs programs in the world But then you got to add to that all the government contracts for people who get government contracts That's the very largest employer in the history of the world maybe ever right so I mean it's really wild to think about I mean, there is a reason that as the federal government grew, you saw expansion in Maryland and Northern Virginia, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Because other businesses came there.
So to Tim's point, if we were to say, you know, what was it?
The Department of the Interior, they moved it to Colorado under Trump and then under Biden, they're like, no, no, we're going back to D.C.
We don't want to be here.
But theoretically, if you were to station these federal outposts somewhere else, eventually shut it down or whatever else, you're making these contractors who want these contracts or want anything else go where they are.
They're not just centralized in D.C.
joshua smith
It's so crazy to think about these government contracts.
Because basically, if you're making a lot of money in America right now, it's probably through a government contract.
This is the biggest employer in the world.
And they put that EO, Joe Biden put the EO back that said that all these government contracts have to have a DEI program.
Any of you guys know about that?
No.
So if you have a government contract with the federal government, your company has to have a DEI department.
unidentified
Yep.
joshua smith
Absolutely, 100%.
Trump had ended the EO, and Biden brought it right back.
And so, like, when we talk about DEI and ESG and stuff in America right now, like, that's where it's all stemming from, is from the federal government.
They're literally pushing this on everyone.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story, we've got some post-millennial.
Tucker Carlson says RFK Jr.
will pull votes from Trump, not Biden.
There's no person who's thinking, I'm gonna vote for either Joe Biden or Bobby Kennedy, and Tucker is wrong!
joshua smith
Yeah, he's definitely wrong.
tim pool
He is absolutely wrong on this.
I think this is more of a passive statement he made, speaking on a podcast, because it does not seem like he actually looked at the data or had real conversations.
I think Ian's a good example, because Ian's talked about how his mom is a big fan of the Kennedys.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, she loved Bobby.
tim pool
And she would never vote for Trump.
ian crossland
No, I don't think so.
Maybe if she met him.
tim pool
Perhaps.
This is a very simple piece of math.
It's probability.
Let's say your mom's probability of voting for Biden is 80% and voting for Kennedy is 20% and voting for Trump is 0%.
That's the kind of math where if you have enough of those people it can only pull from Joe Biden.
ian crossland
It can never pull from Trump.
Robert Kennedy announced he was gonna, Robert Kennedy Jr.
announced he was gonna run for president.
Within like three days they slandered him or smeared him with anti-vax on the news and I called my mother like right away and I was like hey watch out for this anti-vax crap they're gonna start calling him now that he announced and she's like yeah but I don't know I just don't know how I feel about it.
I'm like dude two years ago she was saying how much she loves Robert Kennedy Jr.
and it's like the news started to get to her right away so there might be something there where they're they're tainting people's opinion of the guy.
joshua smith
He's going to pull from both of the big parties.
I believe 100%.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's going to be 65 from Democrats and 30 from Republicans, if that.
I just got to say, man, I've not met a single person who will say publicly, I'm voting for Trump, who has not been like, well, I'm going to vote for Arkane instead.
joshua smith
Oh, you go ahead.
hannah claire brimelow
I was going to say, there was a poll done in New Hampshire a couple weeks ago, maybe a month, and it was asking people, you know, who you're voting for, whatever else.
We saw that Chris Christie was intensely unpopular there.
When they asked about RFK, he did have really high support from Republicans, but none of the Republicans planned to vote for him, and none of them planned to vote for him if their first choice candidate left, right?
It doesn't change the fact they like him.
Republicans are excited that he's in the race, but ultimately his support is still among Democrats, and we saw that when he announced his independent bid, it still leaned left in the lane.
joshua smith
I believe that if RFK, and this is a wild conspiracy theory that's not going to come true, this is theoretical, but if RFK was to drop entirely and start trying to run as Donald Trump's vice president, I think that he could get that.
unidentified
I believe that.
ian crossland
I talked about that last night too.
tim pool
RFK Jr.
is pro-reparations, pro-gun control.
joshua smith
Eco-fascism?
tim pool
I don't.
Yeah, I don't.
joshua smith
I mean, he's big.
He's big time.
tim pool
We've talked about Trump RFK in the past, but this was only in the context of the COVID response as a means of helping correct the image of Trump's failures on it.
But now RFK's pivoted recently much more heavily, especially with reparations.
And at his announcement, he said, it's Indigenous Peoples Day.
It was Columbus Day.
But right, right, he's jumped off.
joshua smith
Well, he also talked about government-backed bonds to save the housing market.
I mean, this guy's just like, he's a run-of-the-mill progressive that's good on health care and the deep state.
I mean, really, that's what it is.
tim pool
So it's only Democrats.
hannah claire brimelow
Give him a cap.
He might be, like, in charge of the EPA or something, right?
If he really wanted to be, like, no, I know you guys like him, but I don't see him.
joshua smith
I saw it being floated around Attorney General, too.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, maybe.
I mean, I think it's just not a close enough bond.
I'm sure there's probably some sort of respect there for, you know, whatever cordial reason, but I don't think that there is a close enough camaraderie between the two of them.
And also, I think Trump's going to be really careful about who he picks for his VP, because look at what happened with Mike Pence, right?
I mean, he picked someone who he thought was neutral, and that ultimately ended very badly.
He's only going to be a four-year president if he's elected, and he needs someone who's really going to back him.
joshua smith
The fly was a better VP than Mike Pence, for sure.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Pence was such a miserable choice.
joshua smith
Did you guys see the poll on Twitter that was Chris Christie or a hoagie sandwich and the hoagie sandwich beat him like 69%.
I'm hungry, I'll take the hoagie.
Yeah, it was hilarious.
tim pool
I'm hungry, I'll take the hoagie.
joshua smith
There was like 30,000 votes on there and the hoagie beat him like almost 70% of the vote.
ian crossland
Christy would be a good interview.
unidentified
Christy is the most pathetic guy.
ian crossland
You might end up seeing him sit across from you, so whatever you say, say it to his face.
I don't care.
tim pool
He keeps doing this Donald Duck thing.
Oh, it's terrible.
Yeah, dude, it is the cringiest thing, because he's so excited when he says it on the debate stage, he's like, Donald Duck!
And then everyone's like, you're an idiot.
joshua smith
Yeah.
He wants to be Donald Trump so bad.
Like, he really does.
He wants to be able to insult people like that, and he's just not quick enough.
ian crossland
It's because he's too overweight, man.
If he was thin and healthy, he would have a way better chance.
A lot more people would like him.
hannah claire brimelow
If he were thin and healthy, he wouldn't be funnier.
tim pool
If Donald Trump was in a one-on-one debate with Christy, and Christy was like, this guy Donald keeps ducking all these questions, he's Donald Duck, Trump would go, you're fat.
And that's it, and everyone would go roaring.
ian crossland
Take care of yourself.
unidentified
Crazy.
joshua smith
That's all it would take.
That's it.
That's all it would take.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joshua smith
100%.
That's it.
tim pool
That's all he would say.
joshua smith
Because Trump has no, he has no filter at all.
ian crossland
Zero filter.
I can hear you breathing in the microphone.
tim pool
Exactly!
Yep, he'd say something like that.
He'd make that face and go...
Lord over here can hear him breathing and then everyone just busts out laughing and he's done.
Donald Duck is not funny.
It's not clever It's stupid and Trump would just do the most crass bottom-of-the-barrel.
Yeah, and you're fat Yeah, and then everyone would start roaring with laughter like It's all it would take.
I have seen Trump rallies.
I have seen that man speak.
He's a stand-up comedian.
joshua smith
The shut-up silly woman thing is all over the internet still to this day!
Shut up, silly woman!
Yeah, that's all over.
That's all over the internet still.
ian crossland
Was that to Hillary?
joshua smith
No.
tim pool
He was at a rally and he was telling a story.
joshua smith
Yeah, it was a rally.
tim pool
Yeah, if you've not seen a rally, This is what I hear from people.
They're like, I wasn't a big Trump fan and I decided to go to his rally and now I'm a Trump fan.
They're like, because the guy, you're going to a comedy routine, man.
He's doing what Jon Stewart basically did back in the day.
He's up there and he's saying, I'll give you the formula.
It's like, you got problem.
I know about problem.
I'm going to insult the people who make problem.
And everyone starts cheering for it.
I kind of like- And he does it well.
ian crossland
Watching old Trump videos, because his personality, like, you see who he was when he was young, you see who he is now, I think it's a lot- you get a better, like, more well-rounded idea of who he is.
Sure.
Super cool.
joshua smith
Shane Gillis can literally go up on stage and impersonate Donald Trump verbatim.
And the whole crowd dies laughing, and he's just saying what Trump said.
That's it.
Exactly.
Verbatim.
And Shane Gillis is one of the best stand-up comedians in the world right now.
tim pool
I tell you, the key to getting your friends and family to go over the line on like, I don't know about Trump, they complain about him, just come with me and see what he says.
And they're going to leave feeling great.
joshua smith
But I don't want you to vote for Trump though.
tim pool
Oh, I know.
You don't.
But I'm saying for people, like, when you actually see the guy, it's the entertainment value that he's making you have a good time.
ian crossland
This is like, kind of, this is a little bit of an off-tangent metaphor, but like, the whole mean tweets thing, they're like, instead of a guy with mean tweets, I'd rather have a warmonger.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
It's kind of like, on YouTube, we can talk about death and destruction and that, but we can't say the F word.
I mean, you can, obviously, say it, but like, The F-word's like the mean tweets of the internet censorship, like, yo bro.
joshua smith
I'm not sure what F-word you're talking about.
There's a lot of funny ones.
ian crossland
Fanny!
joshua smith
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
Sorry, Australians.
joshua smith
We say the F-word on Break the Cycle all the time.
ian crossland
I love it.
hannah claire brimelow
You were saying before the show that charisma is one of the deciding factors.
It's very important.
joshua smith
You can't be a presidential candidate without charisma.
It's a giant popularity contest.
ian crossland
It is the most important thing.
tim pool
Trump, like, how would you define wit?
Right?
joshua smith
Like, what's, what's like the colloquial... It's just a quick, it's a quick brain.
I mean, it's really what it is.
It's quick enough, it's quick enough to quip with people.
I mean, back and forth.
unidentified
And that's the thing.
tim pool
You don't need to be super intelligent and articulate.
You need only be quick with it.
So, like, the point I was making with Chris Christie being like Donald Duck and then Trump going, I can hear fatso over here breathing in the microphone.
And it's not the smartest thing in the world, but it's a verbal smackdown.
ian crossland
He knows how and when to say things.
tim pool
Exactly.
joshua smith
It's timing.
tim pool
Quick-witted.
joshua smith
It's a timing thing.
It's a timing issue.
ian crossland
I think it's intelligence.
It requires at least 16 intelligences.
tim pool
On a maximum of what?
unidentified
23?
ian crossland
18.
18 is maximum human potential and then you become superhuman above that.
joshua smith
I'm sorry to interrupt.
No, it's fine.
I was interrupting you.
ian crossland
Just clarifying.
joshua smith
I was literally interrupting you.
So the thing is, in politics you only have to have a minor understanding of most issues and then be charismatic enough to talk about those issues.
tim pool
Exactly.
joshua smith
Because the vast majority of the American public has no idea what these issues mean anyways at all.
ian crossland
This is the Aleppo moment in a nutshell.
tim pool
Yeah.
When Gary Johnson was asked about Aleppo and he goes, and what is Aleppo?
It's just charisma one.
joshua smith
Right.
tim pool
And then everyone, all anyone saw was this guy doesn't know anything about what he's talking about, what's going on.
He could have, he could have said, he could have, he could have made up nonsense.
joshua smith
Yeah.
tim pool
He could have said, well, you know, the economic standard with Aleppo is, is, is troubling to me to be completely honest, but we're gonna, we're gonna get a policy in place in Washington.
It's going to solve that problem.
They go, wait, what?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But the average person would be like, oh, okay.
hannah claire brimelow
Because they just need to have an answer.
The other part about that is that... It's a city in Syria, by the way.
It makes him seem like he's not surrounded by people who are saying these are the most important issues because we all know a president gets, you know, an intense number of briefs and theoretically they're surrounded by experts on each issue.
joshua smith
Well, I'll tell you the biggest problem with libertarians, literally, this is the biggest problem, is we are all extremely well-read at libertarian philosophy.
We've read Murray Rothbard and F.A.
Hayek and Mises and all these great economists and Austrian economists and philosophers and just everything you could possibly imagine.
Henry Hazlitt and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then you want to go out and you want to lecture this to people.
And no one cares.
Literally, no one cares.
They want to hear about how you're going to make their cash prices go down.
That's what they care about.
tim pool
I just wanted to clarify, too, because I wasn't sure on that.
It's not the Capitol.
joshua smith
Is it not the Capitol?
ian crossland
Well, I have my own level moment.
joshua smith
It's Damascus, that's right.
tim pool
I thought it was Damascus, but you said that, and I was like, let me double-check before I... Yeah, you're right, it's Damascus.
ian crossland
One thing that Libertarians, a problem they have, too, I think, is that they're not, like, obsessed with global military.
Like, you gotta be, in order to be a great commander-in-chief of our military, you gotta understand, like, how are we gonna dominate and annihilate everything on Earth so we don't have to?
joshua smith
No, but we're not gonna do that.
ian crossland
That's the thing.
But you have to know how so that you don't.
So you know how not to.
joshua smith
We'd be a much safer nation if two-thirds of our military wasn't stationed around the world.
ian crossland
Because if the president doesn't understand it, if the president's not a military expert, then someone else is going to run the military.
hannah claire brimelow
The thing is, they just have to know enough about it and have... The reality is, whoever is the president may be really well versed on a couple issues, right?
They might have, let's say, five that they know backwards, forwards, they know everything about, but realistically, they're going to need a staff that is able to... You have a huge staff.
Yeah, that relies on expertise and is able to brief them quickly.
And so that's why, you know, when Gary Johnson gets the Aleppo question wrong, it means he did not have anyone around him to say, this is a current issue that you should know about.
And that's one of the problems going forward.
I mean, this was a criticism people had of Trump when he was in the White House was that the people he surrounded himself with did not look out for his best interests and we were not guiding him in the right direction.
It's unrealistic to expect a president to know absolutely everything.
joshua smith
Yeah, but a lot of that was his fault too, because he was going to drain the swamp and
then he surrounded himself with the swamp.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not saying it wasn't, but ultimately this is a problem that could be true for a
libertarian president, it could be true for a democrat president.
It is not actually the person on stage who knows everything, it's the people they're
surrounding themselves with.
ian crossland
Yeah, the president does have generals, but the commander must know military doctrine,
or at least rapidly learn it.
hannah claire brimelow
But under that logic, we would only want people who had served in the military to be presidents,
which could be true in some eras, right?
But theoretically, right now, I mean, as far as I know, Joe Biden didn't serve in the military.
Maybe he'll tell us something different.
Trump went to military boarding school, right?
But he didn't actually serve in the military.
So theoretically, both of these people have the... What?
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
When was the last time we had a military commander, like a ex-military guy or woman guide?
joshua smith
George Bush.
Was it George Bush?
ian crossland
Was he in the military?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
The dad?
tim pool
You mean H.W.? ?
joshua smith
Weren't they both in the military?
tim pool
Yeah, but W, wasn't his story that he didn't go to Vietnam or something?
joshua smith
Something like that, but he was in the military.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, how far back are we going?
joshua smith
He's in the Air Force, I think.
hannah claire brimelow
Did Clinton serve in the military?
unidentified
Not that I know of.
hannah claire brimelow
No, Clinton wasn't in the military.
We have to work backwards.
tim pool
Reagan was a movie star.
ian crossland
Oh, John F. Kennedy.
hannah claire brimelow
Kennedy definitely served in the military, that was a huge deal.
ian crossland
Kennedy was in the Navy, I think, in Vietnam.
hannah claire brimelow
Was he in the Navy?
And he received, he wasn't Pearl Harbor, but he received some very serious award for saving people.
He was a badass.
ian crossland
Yeah, literally.
He like saved a bunch of dudes off of what a sinking ship or some crazy story.
That would be a great story to pull up at some point.
hannah claire brimelow
George W. Bush served in the Navy during World War II.
George Bush.
George H.W.
Bush served in the Navy.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to the story from the AP.
Ladies and gentlemen, you may not be aware, Donald Trump is facing eligibility questions for the 2024 presidential race in Colorado and In Minnesota and in Michigan and probably a bunch of other states, but we've got updates on the Minnesota hearing.
The AP says Minnesota justices appear skeptical that states should decide Trump's eligibility for the ballot.
I watched some of this live and I gotta say this these hearings.
What we are watching right now with the question of Donald Trump's eligibility.
Is an attempt by Democrats to run a stake through the heart of the United States and the arguments made in Minnesota really spell this out.
I'll give it to you very simply.
I believe it was Trump's lawyers who was arguing this.
States do not have the constitutional authority to determine eligibility.
State legislatures are given wide responsibility and governance over elections in their states, but not eligibility, which is a federal question.
If someone's eligibility is challenged, it must be in a federal court.
Donald Trump was questioned over this in his impeachment hearings and was found not to have engaged in insurrection.
Therefore, the question is done.
They're now taking it to the states to argue he did.
The argument was was was actually really simple.
If someone's 27 years old, there's no question of fact.
You're not eligible to run.
Nobody has an issue with it.
Insurrection is different.
Insurrection has to be determined.
But the Constitution at the federal level determines the eligibility for a federal elected official.
States don't decide who is eligible or not.
If it becomes... If Democrats succeed in even a single state... Set a precedent.
Then the precedent will be there will never be a U.S.
election again.
Now hold on.
We'll have North Korea-style elections, where you'll have one person on the ballot.
Why?
Elections will become, instead of, hey, let's go get as many votes as possible, it's time to go vote, that's what we do now, but don't get me, like, don't get me wrong, I know it's all ballot harvesting, now it's, it's, it's months of work, knocking on doors, and the goal is get a bigger number than the opponent by any means necessary.
If this goes through and Democrats succeed, future elections will be like this.
Okay, sir, it is one year before the general, which means it's eligibility season.
We better get those arguments ready for court to determine whether or not you're eligible to be in this state.
A president will then have to win eligibility hearings in all 50 states.
And if they don't, their name will not appear on the ballot, a dummy candidate will, and it will be like a North Korean election in every state.
You will then get every blue state saying, Joe Biden and, you know, Bobby, Bobby Doe, the Republican.
No one's ever heard of him.
Doesn't matter.
It's Joe Biden versus Bobby.
And everyone's like, who's that?
Well, that means that there's not going to be a popular vote for Trump.
Then the red states will do the same thing.
Well, Joe Biden's not eligible.
Actually, it's probably the Republicans will do nothing, and it'll only be the blue states that are cutting off all the Republicans.
But theoretically, then red states say, nope, we had we had eligibility hearings a year ago, and we found Joe Biden to be ineligible for these reasons.
Therefore, the belt will only be Donald Trump and the Democrat will be RFK Jr.
And then Trump wins easily.
And then you're going to get red-leaning swing states and blue-leaning swing states, and that's going to be the battle where instead of an election, appointed officials, hired corporate lawyers will argue to judges who the president should be.
joshua smith
I don't know about you, but it sounds like a great segue to national divorce myself.
I'm a fan.
ian crossland
This ain't happening.
joshua smith
No, this isn't going to happen.
And if this goes through... No, no, no, this could happen.
tim pool
I don't think... These judges are hyper-partisan.
joshua smith
I know they are.
tim pool
The judge in Colorado is a donor to a PAC specifically to remove Republicans who supported Trump on January 6th.
joshua smith
Our whole entire justice system has become hyper-partisan.
I'm not under any illusion.
tim pool
What's going to stop this Colorado judge, who already donated money to stop Republicans over January 6th, what's going to stop that judge from being like, I don't care what you said, Trump, your name's off the ballot, you're going to stop them?
joshua smith
The Supreme Court.
I don't get argued to the Supreme Court.
tim pool
And how many years will that take before the Supreme Court takes it up?
joshua smith
I don't know.
tim pool
It could be fast.
joshua smith
It probably would be pretty fast concerning elections like that.
tim pool
And then what happens if...
In Colorado, my fear is November, let's say October 2024, a state like Michigan will just take Trump off the ballot and say, sue us.
Then the Trump campaign will sue and win.
And then by December 15th, they'll get injunctive relief.
Oh, what's that?
Joe Biden already won.
Sorry, we can't undo the election.
It was one state only.
One state's moot.
That one state wouldn't have changed the election.
But then they argue, yes, but your honor, here's four other states where it happened too.
Well, you gotta take it up with those judges in those states.
That has nothing to do with us.
It's only seven electoral votes here, so you don't win.
Then he's gonna go to that state.
Oh, it's only 13 here, so you don't win.
joshua smith
Yeah, I just- I don't see it- I don't see it getting that far.
I really don't.
I don't- I honestly don't think it can get that far.
tim pool
I- I gotta be honest, man.
joshua smith
You think it's not gonna get that far, considering everything we've seen over the past- And I'm like- I'm pretty black-tailed on a lot of this stuff, and I'm sa- I- I- I would be very surprised if that- if that got that far, and I'd be very- and I'd be very surprised if it did go through, that it wouldn't take- Was January 6th surprising to you?
Yes, of course.
It should be surprising.
Viscerally surprising.
tim pool
I cannot believe that someone would be surprised by what is literally happening right now when you have Colorado, Minnesota, and Michigan all happening at the same time, where they're all arguing Trump should not be on the ballot, and a judge literally donated to a PAC to get Republicans removed from Congress for supporting Trump.
I mean, we are one centimeter from... Okay, when you have judge donates money to target Trump supporters, Specifically over January 6.
Then you have presiding over whether Trump is eligible for January 6.
It is a slight nudge to Trump ruling.
Trump is not out.
joshua smith
There's also there's a huge difference when we talk about January 6.
There's a huge difference between the federal courts and the state courts to
Federal courts always throw the book entirely at everybody they have coming in hoping they'll take a plea deal and
like 80-something percent of the people go through federal court
take a plea plea deal because the the consequences of not taking one are so high
Astronomically high that you can end up in prison for two and a half life sentences for building an e-commerce site
like Ross Olbrich Yeah, and so like there's there's a distinction there for
sure and I don't I just I just don't see a state court going that far
I don't think they can.
I think at some point someone's going to say, Judge, you absolutely cannot do this.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what I think is happening right now.
tim pool
Who says that though?
joshua smith
Well, that's what's happening now.
tim pool
So when the judges in Pennsylvania ruled that their own constitution did not bar them from passing universal mail-in voting, I don't understand how you go from point A to point B on that one.
In Pennsylvania, a lower court ruled that universal mail-in voting violated the Constitution of Pennsylvania.
Texas filed their lawsuit.
The Supreme Court refused to hear it.
So there wasn't even a hearing over what was clearly a violation of state constitution.
And the justices of Pennsylvania said, we think absentee ballots and mail-in votes are a different thing, so we're going to allow universal mail-in voting despite the fact the Constitution clearly says you can't.
ian crossland
The upside is we've got a year to talk about how insane this crap is.
joshua smith
Yeah, that's true.
ian crossland
We need elections.
joshua smith
Yeah, we have.
ian crossland
Even if they're getting twisted behind the scenes, 51-49, we still need them.
tim pool
Look at Arizona.
What's what?
What?
a fact no one disputes the voting machines were not accepting ballots in certain areas
because the wrong size image was printed on the wrong size paper.
That right there to any honest and reasonable person is stops.
Stop the election!
Stop!
We gotta start over.
Yeah, we don't have to rush elections.
Exactly.
These ballots are wrong.
People are complaining.
If we're gonna have a free and fair election, we gotta have, like, it's gotta be universal and uniform, the ballots.
Instead, they said, Don't know, don't care!
Get out, Kerry Lake!
joshua smith
But we also gotta remember that this election fraud thing has been going on for a long, long time.
It's deeply entrenched, right?
Like, it's been deeply entrenched in our government for many, many, many years.
tim pool
But this is my point.
joshua smith
This is new, and this is gonna be visceral for a lot of people.
ian crossland
A lot of people.
tim pool
If we know for a fact that, I think it was several hundred locations in Arizona, the ballots were not properly being read, and they argued, no, we counted all of them, trust us.
I'm like, no, that's not how elections work.
This, the courts, I mean, Kerry Lake is winning very narrowly in a few areas and it's advancing.
Now she's running for Senate, so we'll see if there's ever an answer, but I mean, they basically just said, everyone knows the election was broken, but we don't care and no one will do anything about it.
This is the same component.
They're just going and saying, we're going to win through lawfare and not an actual election.
joshua smith
and I'm not putting a pass on it.
I don't want anybody to think that I'm like downplaying this at all.
ian crossland
I just we do nothing.
joshua smith
Yeah, but I do nothing.
It's definitely what's going to do want to stress.
tim pool
I'm not saying it is absolute that they're going to rule against Trump.
I don't know but they're trying and I would not be surprised at all.
If they succeed considering I'll just keep it very simple the judge in the Colorado case
donated money specifically to remove Republicans who supported Trump over January 6 and is
now presiding over the trial to determine whether or not Trump is ineligible to be president
because of his actions on January 6.
I think we know the biases of this judge.
joshua smith
I think he needs to be removed for conflict of interest.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, she was asked to recuse herself and she said, oh, I don't remember making that donation.
ian crossland
I don't care what she removed.
joshua smith
It doesn't matter.
hannah claire brimelow
It's still a conflict of interest.
It was up to her.
And there's no oversight.
She said, no, no, it's not a conflict of interest.
joshua smith
I bet there's a lawsuit hanging in there somewhere for conflict of interest.
tim pool
They appeal.
But my friends, my fear is...
First, I'll say, and I gotta stress, you have to go vote.
You need a tidal wave of votes.
You need everyone, your grandmother, your kids, you know, whoever.
joshua smith
Libertarian.
tim pool
Legally allowed to vote.
I don't care who they vote for, just go vote.
hannah claire brimelow
Just vote, yeah.
tim pool
Go vote.
I don't want anyone to be dissuaded from voting because of these issues, but I want to make sure you understand the importance of the lawfare going forward, that it may be two months, three months, four months before the election, one of these hearings hits a state like Georgia, The lower court agrees and then orders the Secretary of State to print ballots without Donald Trump's name on it.
Trump files an appeal.
The appeal goes to a higher court who reverses the decision.
Secretary of State says, OK, well, now we got a bunch of ballots one way and the other.
Then the state appeals or the or the Democrats appeal, and it goes to a higher court that then says, no, no, no, Trump's ineligible.
Then Trump appeals and it goes to the Supreme Court who says you can't take Trump off the ballot.
He is eligible.
And it's a year after that.
ian crossland
No, so maybe it's good that this is happening now, so we can get up to the Supreme Court and they can shut it down.
joshua smith
I mean, if that goes through, it's going to the Supreme Court, there's no doubt about it.
unidentified
In New York during COVID- But when is the question?
tim pool
Cuomo, the governor, shuts down churches.
He gets sued saying, the First Amendment guarantees our right to assemble, you can't shut down churches.
The courts agree and say, you can't shut them down, they're reopened.
And he goes, okay, I'll make a new executive order slightly different, sue me again.
That's the problem.
Even if it happens now, what's happening now, especially with like people like Sidney Powell and Jenna Ellis apologizing and saying, yep, we did it.
We did it.
You're now going to have in these hearings, especially in Colorado, they're going to say, look, here's Trump staff saying they were instructed to present misinformation and disinformation for the purpose of subverting the election with fake electors, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, well, there's your evidence.
Then one court says yes, and then they use it everywhere else.
It'll have to go to the Supreme Court.
But the issue then becomes, what's the Supreme Court?
Is the Supreme Court ruling going to be broad or narrow?
joshua smith
Right.
tim pool
Well, the Supreme Court say, in the instance of Trump's eligibility as it pertains to anything related to January 6, it is not in dispute.
Trump did not engage in insurrection and is eligible.
Okay.
Or what they could do is issue a narrow ruling where they say, as to the question raised specifically by this one group, this one time in Colorado, we say that they are wrong and Trump is eligible.
And then what happens?
Another organization says, okay, well, they didn't answer the question of January 6th, so we're suing again.
And then it just keeps happening until the Supreme Court issues a broad ruling.
But I got to tell you, I think it's also a strong possibility.
The Supreme Court says, no, we're not going to get involved in this one because states can run their elections as they see fit.
In Texas v. Pennsylvania, 2020, Texas said Pennsylvania violated the federal constitution by altering the rules of an election without the approval of the state legislature, and therefore we are negatively impacted.
If we are going to participate in an election, everyone has to have these elections done fairly.
Texas is basically saying if our elections are fair and theirs are not, then the system is broken and the votes are not legit.
I think it was something like 48 states get involved in this lawsuit and the Supreme Court said, go F yourselves.
So the question's never been answered and now you've got chaos in our election system because of pathetic cowards in the Supreme Court.
ian crossland
Why did they not take that up?
Did they say why?
tim pool
Thomas and Alito were pissed.
Thomas wrote this scathing opinion where he's like, we must take up questions in original jurisdiction.
The states need to know.
They need these questions answered.
And by rejecting this, we're leaving this question in limbo.
And now, all the states are in a free-for-all as to what is or is not constitutional.
Alito agreed, he wrote his opinion, and the rest were like, no, we're not getting involved.
The real reason was, The Supreme Court cowards are scared that this country is on the brink.
You're talking about national divorce.
joshua smith
Of course, yeah.
tim pool
You've got the Boston Globe story where the Democrats were proposing the West Coast seceding from the Union in the event of a Donald Trump victory.
And so you likely have people like Kavanaugh being like, well, if I rule on this, I mean, it could affect history.
I don't want to be involved in that!
Quit.
Quit right now.
Resign.
All of you resign.
If you're unwilling to take up a... No, they could have taken the court case and said, no, you're wrong, Texas.
The ruling stands.
Biden's president.
They just are cowards.
hannah claire brimelow
And if you're on the Supreme Court, that's kind of your job to affect history.
I mean, that is why we put you there.
tim pool
Yeah.
But when far left extremists show up to your house and threaten to kill you and the police and the judges are like, we're going to let it happen.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I have tremendous sympathy for the fear.
On the other hand, if the fear Uh is now too great for you to complete your job.
You should step down If not, otherwise you have an obligation to continue to push forward.
tim pool
That's why these issues aren't yeah, you have a fiduciary duty I mean this is you have a duty of the people to rule on these matters that make it to the supreme court There's no doubt about it and because they didn't rule on it The question remains open and will be an issue again in 2024 and it's going to be It's going to be apocalyptic lawfare now.
There's going to be like 3,000 lawsuits.
Everybody who watched 2020, they're gearing up for lawfare right now.
And the Democrats are already in it.
Republicans are not going to be as strong as Democrats on it, but they're gearing up as well.
It's going to be tens of thousands of lawsuits.
joshua smith
What's the fix for that?
ian crossland
Public opinion.
A shift in public opinion.
Of course.
tim pool
Our culture is broken.
ian crossland
The public.
joshua smith
It's terrible.
It's absolutely terrible.
tim pool
It's cultural fragmentation to where These judges, not these ones in Minnesota, they appear skeptical, we'll see what happens.
And Minnesota being, you know, it's not like the furthest of left states, you know, it's a Midwestern, so.
But with Colorado, with California, the culture is so divided.
Let me just put it this way, the left is a cult.
They are either malicious or the banality of evil.
And they go along with whatever gains them power.
ian crossland
So, I didn't mean to interrupt, but what do you think is the solution?
tim pool
Building culture!
That's exactly why we're doing it.
Now, granted, I see these problems, I think, in the meantime, we need legal, uh, we need lawfare, you know, return legal fire, uh, file lawsuits, challenge these things, and everyone needs to vote in a massive tidal wave, but the real solution is always going to be that politics is downstream from culture, so what do we need?
A Castbrew coffee shop in every shopping center.
But this is the truth, and I'll tell you why.
Because right now, you've got younger people getting their information from TikTok, older people getting their news from mainstream media, and you're getting propaganda across the board.
No one is getting an honest shot.
On YouTube, you get partisan propaganda stuff, but at least, as it pertains to the quote-unquote freedom faction, I like to say, we all try to be honest about what's going on, and then let people form their own opinions, and we have a real free and fair election.
The reason why we want to do Casper Coffee, lady walks into the coffee shop to buy her coffee, and you've got a TV playing on the wall, and guess what?
Josh Smith is on doing an interview.
Now they're hearing another voice.
Now they're getting a wide range of opinions and views, not just one hyper-partisan or manipulated opinion, and they're learning about things.
I hope more people open a whole bunch more brick-and-mortar locations, but we need to create spaces in the physical world where people can meet, congregate, and hang out.
Used to be church!
It'd be great if it was.
We're gonna do this Cash Brew Coffee, we're gonna do Saturday Morning Cartoons, invite families to come and hang out with their kids, and let people start rebuilding their communities again.
joshua smith
You said Josh Smith interview, so I'm listening now, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think we need to put this show on Rumble.
And, or, I think the YouTube admins should start shoving this show to the front of the network.
Yes, it is good luck.
You should do it because people need to know about this stuff.
This needs to become invigoratingly entertaining.
joshua smith
YouTube doesn't want you to know about this stuff.
ian crossland
YouTube's not a guy.
YouTube's just a network.
tim pool
The Google executives cried when Donald Trump won.
Or I should say, the Google executives held a meeting where staff cried and they said, we will never let this happen again.
And we had Dr. Robert Epstein on the culture war explaining.
It's really, really crazy how he explains.
It's not complicated how they can rig elections.
People seem to think, they hear the story about Cambridge Analytica, right?
Oh, they were stealing data from Facebook.
They weren't supposed to have and using that to target people and figure out who they were voting for.
No, it's much simpler than that.
On election day, Mark Zuckerberg sitting there with his paddle ball went, oh, can you send out a notification to all Democrats to go vote and tell Republicans to go watch Friends?
ian crossland
Yeah, but what's happening right now is the people, the admins and the executives are fucking terrified right now, dude.
tim pool
He said in his data set of tens of thousands of people, he found 100% of Democrats were given a notification to go vote and only 59% of Republicans got the same.
You don't need to trick or convince anybody.
You just need to remind one side and not the other.
hannah claire brimelow
There was that study that, I don't remember what university students did, sorry, but it was analyzing Gmail, and Gmail would show emails from Democratic campaigns, but it would hide or mark spam Republican campaigns.
I mean, this is something that is alive and well.
tim pool
And here's the best part.
When, I think it was Ted Cruz, sent a letter to Google over this, he said in their data set they saw instantly The manipulation turned off.
That indicates Google is intentionally doing it.
ian crossland
But what's happening right now, people are terrified.
Biden screwed this country hard.
People know that.
People are freaking out that we're going to get slaughtered because of this shit show of a leadership that we have and they're willing to open and listen.
So we are the voice.
And we need to inspire people and get people, excite people to put this shit on the front page!
tim pool
Make people hear it!
ian crossland
It's super important!
We cannot let go of our elections, you know that!
We need you!
This is a team, man!
tim pool
People who are watching MSNBC, CNN and Fox News aren't hearing this.
I don't even see anybody tweeting about the Minnesota case.
No.
Like, Colorado's getting a little bit of airplay, especially because they showed a clip of this show, so we were like, hey, look, it's us!
Cash Patel!
hannah claire brimelow
Colorado seems like it's picking up.
I mean, I was just reading about, like, Ken Buck's testimony today.
It's getting underway, whereas, I mean, it's true for a lot of cases, when it's the early stages of, like, well, judges hearing this, whatever, there's sort of less for the journalists to report on.
But then when you're able to say, oh, Donald Trump Jr.
and Eric Trump are reporting today, these things might pick up.
It is a reason, to me, it seems obvious that these cases are all hitting at the same time.
So it's hard to keep track of them.
You don't know which case is presenting what information because they're arguing very similar things in different jurisdictions.
It's intentionally to confuse anyone who might be trying to follow it.
So, again, you can retain control of the narrative that gets out there.
joshua smith
Well, now they have 24-7 World War III coverage to watch, too, to keep them completely in the dark on everything else.
tim pool
Would you rather fight one horse-sized duck or a hundred duck-sized horses?
joshua smith
Jeez.
tim pool
You know the meme?
joshua smith
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
tim pool
It's silly, but there actually is a really simple answer.
A horse-sized duck.
You know why?
You can run from it.
So, the reason I bring that up is Donald Trump is currently fighting a hundred duck-sized horses, and they're surrounding him in every direction.
hannah claire brimelow
That image is amazing, sorry.
tim pool
And it's important, too, because what's happening right now is a single Democrat voter in each state files a lawsuit with only a couple thousand dollars and it forces Trump's team to expand nationwide to every state and set up a legal operation.
joshua smith
It's asymmetrical warfare.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it also means that, you know, and this is not to be cruel to any of the lawyers working on these cases, but theoretically the best lawyers that Trump can get can't be in every single state all the time.
tim pool
So Trump, as a single individual in a single campaign, will need to hire probably 300 lawyers.
Let's be real, maybe that's not even enough, okay?
If you're talking about election eligibility, you're not gonna have one lawyer do it.
You're gonna hire a lawyer and he's gonna have a team of like five or six.
He's gonna need that in every single state.
The Democrats... No, no, no.
It's not top-down.
There's one PAC in Colorado that six voters file a lawsuit.
Then in Minnesota, some random, three random guys file a lawsuit.
And they do it over and over again.
And the crazy thing is, there's going to be different versions of the same lawsuits filed in multiple states.
And Trump, as a single entity, will struggle to compete against all of that.
Maximum lawfare.
joshua smith
So what's the answer for Trump then?
I mean, he can't fight all these lawsuits.
tim pool
He has to just fight.
He has to fight all the lawsuits, and he has to do this, and they're gonna lie, they're gonna cheat, and they're gonna steal.
But once again, I tell you, first and foremost, everybody needs to vote in a tidal wave and convince everybody to go vote.
Bring your friends to vote.
Tell them, you know, whatever's legal in your state, you know, if you're allowed to ballot harvest, ballot harvest.
You should be knocking on doors.
And then the real answer is going to be building culture.
joshua smith
Don't stuff the ballot box illegally though.
Don't get caught doing that.
tim pool
It's legal in a lot of states.
People need to understand that.
I'll tell you about rollerblading is a really great analogy on this one.
Rollerblading was the biggest action sport in the world in the early 90s.
Had something like tens of millions of participants.
And they did not inspire young people to get involved.
So 10 years goes by and what happens?
You're still the best.
You're a pro.
You're doing the bigger tricks, better than ever.
But there's no one buying any products around what you're doing.
No sponsorships.
And then finally the X Games says, guys, you're not selling tickets anymore.
We're cutting your event.
You're gone.
You're still the best in the world, but there's no one coming behind you.
Republicans need to be inspiring young people, indoctrinating young people.
This is the funny thing.
Don't fall for the left's trap.
We absolutely want to indoctrinate all of the young people towards values of personal responsibility, meritocracy, and liberty, and the foundation of this country, and all the bad stuff can go away.
When the right says, oh, it's bad.
The schools are indoctrinating kids.
I'm like, actually, that would be good if it was like for American values, but it's not.
It's weird.
Well, garbage.
joshua smith
Yeah, I, I, I get kind of caught up on this, this Republican Democrat talk.
Obviously I'm a libertarian, but the problem for me is like all the worst.
Like policy that's ever passed in my lifetime has always had bipartisan support.
tim pool
But I'm not trying to make it seem like Republicans and Democrats.
I don't like the Republican Party or the Democratic Party.
You've got a handful of Republicans right now, seven, who are very libertarian leaning and populist.
And so that's why I'm saying American values.
If you believe in the Constitution, if you believe in individual liberties, rights and meritocracy, that's the indoctrination we want.
joshua smith
I'm a libertarian American first populist candidate that there you go that's what I've been telling everybody and some of the libertarians don't like that I say that but that's just because they don't understand what any of those words mean pretty much what does it mean well populist is just you're speaking to the the outside of the ruling elite right this regime that like that rules us through the the academia and and you know the Corporate news media and the rich and the and the politicians we're speaking to the middle class and lower Right like these people that are everyday Americans that get up every morning and put on their work boots and go to work That's what a populist message is speaking to those people not to not the elite and American first Here's the thing like libertarians are like, oh
You know anti-borders and and and oh, you can't say America first, but it's like you're running to govern Americans How could you not be an American first?
And in fact if we're gonna be this anti intervention interventionists, right like these anti-war guys then you have to be America first That's the one of the most important principles of that is that we've got to stop like meddling in these foreign interventions Yeah, it shouldn't be shameful to be an American First if you're an American politician.
Yeah, America First is a good thing if you're running to be a politician in America.
And as a libertarian candidate, I may be one of the first guys that actually gets that.
And that's, you know, that's just who I am.
tim pool
Well, your chief rival in the presidential election has a new policy, this story from the Post Millennial.
Trump would create free, freedom-focused online American Academy as president, and he'd make the woke Ivies pay for it.
It will be strictly non-political, and there will be no wokeness or jihadism allowed.
I see a lot of people cheering for this, but I'm gonna be completely honest.
This is a stupid idea.
Sorry.
It just is.
Uh, let me play the video for you.
donald j trump
In recent weeks, Americans have been horrified to see students and faculty at Harvard and other once-respected universities expressing support for the savages and jihadists who attacked Israel.
We spend more money on higher education than any other country, and yet they're turning our students into communists and terrorists and sympathizers of many, many different dimensions.
We can't let this happen.
It's time to offer something dramatically different.
Under the plan I'm announcing today, we will take the billions and billions of dollars that we will collect by taxing, fining, and suing excessively large private university endowments, and we will then use that money to endow a new institution called the American Academy.
Its mission will be to make a truly world-class education available to every American, free of charge, and do it without adding a single dime to the federal debt.
This institution will gather an entire universe of the highest quality educational content covering the full spectrum of human knowledge and skills and make that material available to every American citizen online for free.
Whether you want lectures, or ancient histories, or an introduction to financial accounting, or training in a skilled trade, the goal will be to deliver it and get it done properly.
Using study groups, mentors, industry partnerships, and the latest breakthrough in computing, This will be a truly top-tier education option for the people.
It will be strictly non-political and there will be no wokeness or jihadism allowed.
None of that's going to be allowed.
Most importantly, the American Academy will compete directly with the existing and very costly four-year university system by granting students degree credentials that the U.S.
government and all federal contractors will henceforth recognize.
The Academy will award the full and complete equivalent of a bachelor's degree.
In addition to help the 40 million Americans who have some college education but no degree,
the American Academy will grant credit for past coursework at legacy institutions and
give you the chance to complete your education at the American Academy for free and much
more quickly than is now possible or available.
This will be a revolution in higher education and will provide life-changing opportunities for tens of millions of our citizens.
Enjoy it, learn from it, and thank you.
tim pool
I just want to say real quick, the most important thing here is room tone, guys.
When you're shooting these videos, you need to record about 30 seconds of what's called room tone silence so that you can mask the jump cuts.
But anyway, what were you saying?
hannah claire brimelow
Is this like a GED but for a bachelor's degree instead of high school diploma?
tim pool
And I think, look, I can respect the colleges are garbage, they're making kids communists, but the government making another program is not the solution.
joshua smith
Yeah, this is the same dilemma you had when you were talking about the central bank digital currencies, except with education.
It's the same exact thing.
tim pool
Oh, the government's gonna swoop in and create government college for you.
Don't worry, Trump says it won't be woke.
No way!
He'll get out of office, and then some crackpot woke person will bang the gavel, and it'll turn into woke you.
And then the government's funded it, it can never die, it can never go away.
donald j trump
No.
joshua smith
He likes to say that everything woke turns to shit, but really it's everything the government touches turns to shit.
tim pool
The government touches puts the woke in it?
joshua smith
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
He's saying, you know, I want people to have opportunities to get whatever, but why don't we just stop giving out student loans?
I feel like that's the thing that I'm more interested in seeing.
Stop going to college.
unidentified
Stop subsidizing the whole system entirely.
hannah claire brimelow
You could solve a lot of issues that way.
In fact, you could make college affordable.
joshua smith
I do love how he came out with his own right-wing version of free college for all, though.
tim pool
That's hilarious.
joshua smith
And if he fails at president, we'll definitely see the ads on Facebook where he's like,
you know, give us your email address and we'll send you an email.
tim pool
Subsidizing college was one of the biggest mistakes our society ever made.
Because what happens now is, young person says, oh, I can get a loan to go to college.
I'll learn, I'll take something.
I don't even know.
Most kids don't even know what their major is going to be.
I don't even know what my major is going to be.
Then why are you going?
So they go thinking they're going to get a job.
That kid, that 17 year old, I say kid because they're 17, they're planning college.
They turn 18, they go to college.
If they just went and got a job working at their like local, with a handyman.
joshua smith
True.
tim pool
Local mechanic, engineer, electrician, they said, I'm just going to do, go for work, heating and air conditioning.
They'd learn real skills that translate, that have an actual job, and then they can figure things out as they're getting older, or they can work these skills.
And maybe, I don't know, being an electrician is a great skill to have, and they could have learned that, they didn't have to go to college, they could have gone to trade school or something.
Instead, they graduate four years later and go, oops.
joshua smith
You know what's a better idea than going to Trump's America school?
It's just running for your local school board and changing the school district in your own locality.
Literally, it's going to be just as easy, and you can change everything.
tim pool
If they never subsidized college, young people would not have gone and wasted their time generating debt and then learning nothing.
So what happens is, I read this great article, this is when I was a kid, they said, you need an IQ of at least 110 to go to college, and the problem is subsidized universities is telling everyone of any capability to go to college, you end up with people who are not bright enough, who can't understand the material.
I think we were talking about this the other day, like college was supposed to be, you sat down and experimented and worked with like-minded individuals and you wrote a thesis, you were saying this.
And now it's gen ed.
Now it's like, here's your homework, come back.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's like being in high school.
I mean, and this is also different than, let's say, like the British system, right?
Like in the equivalency of high school in England, you are already narrowing down what you want to study.
In America, we keep students taking everything for as long as possible.
And now that basically lasts until they're, you know, if you enroll in college at 18, that's the first two years of college.
So when you're 20, you are still taking general classes instead of specializing in a skill.
joshua smith
Yeah, but the longer you're in, the more money you owe the government.
hannah claire brimelow
Exactly.
I mean, that's the thing about subsidizing is that you were able to say to colleges, name your price and we will write a blank check and we will force them to agree to take it.
That's crazy.
That also means that there's no incentive for colleges to say, hey, we're going to make this quick and efficient for you.
I mean, there are schools that will say, oh, well, we're revamping our general ed criteria.
So actually you can't graduate unless you take, you know, summer courses, which cost additional money.
You spend an extra year here.
I mean, they're trying to make it last as long as possible because they don't care that you're going into debt.
And in fact, while I was sitting here, my college called me to try and get a donation.
This is just, you know, that you will always be a meal ticket for them.
And I think it's sad because there are probably professors who are really dedicated to things that they're interested in.
You know, there are students who are genuinely interested in learning.
joshua smith
Yeah, but it's the administration.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and also, if we did not have college, would you have, you know, People who spend money buying tickets to lectures instead.
Like right now we trap all of learning in college when it doesn't have to be that way.
You can do all kinds of things.
I mean you can get free lectures online as it is.
I don't know why we need American Academy except for the fact that now they're saying you could potentially get the equivalency of a GED but for your bachelor's.
So if you've gotten some college somewhere but also to what end.
If you've been able to find a good job After having left college, why would you then go back and get a degree except for like I guess wanting to seem sort of elite and good?
I don't really get what the benefit of this is.
ian crossland
I like that he said they would rush, you could rush through, so kids that are really smart and they want to work 10 hours a day can get their degree in a year.
unidentified
You can do that with dual enrollment programs while you're in high school.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, you can get, I've known kids who graduate high school with their AA degree if they're getting dual enrollment during college credit, like through their local community college.
There are tons of ways to go through college faster.
I think we don't talk about them because ultimately everyone wants you in this pipeline where you go into debt.
tim pool
Yeah, but you're talking about things that don't need college.
For things where you need to get a degree, like being a doctor, for instance, you're not gonna do it online.
You have to go and do medical practice and rounds, you have to learn how to actually save lives.
joshua smith
You should be able to do it online, though.
tim pool
Medical work?
joshua smith
Yeah, sure, why not?
tim pool
Because you gotta learn how to tie arteries?
joshua smith
Would you go to a doctor that got his education online?
unidentified
No.
joshua smith
Of course not.
Of course not.
Nobody would.
This is the information age.
We know where somebody went to school.
tim pool
So you think the average person would then, it's the responsibility of the individual to check on the person?
joshua smith
Of course.
tim pool
I don't disagree.
ian crossland
You could learn a lot of the information, the book information online, but then you do need to go practice.
hannah claire brimelow
You've got to have labs.
I had a friend in high school who put himself through college while working as a paramedic all four years, or first time I can remember, in EMT.
If he wanted to be a doctor, shouldn't he automatically get real-world credit?
He shouldn't have to take certain classes because he has the practical skills.
I get that eventually maybe he has to go to medical school.
joshua smith
There's a big difference between an EMT and a doctor, by the way.
hannah claire brimelow
But at the same time, he's had more hands-on experience than anyone who just took a biology class, right?
There should be some recognition of real-world skills.
ian crossland
I think if you're good at it and it took you two years to become an expert doctor, I'd rather have you than a guy who was 12 years in school and doesn't know what he's doing.
I really don't care about how long it takes.
hannah claire brimelow
But all of these things, I mean, that's why there are like standardized tests that all of them go through to say, yes, I am now a good doctor.
I am qualified to be a good doctor.
joshua smith
When I say I want the government out of education, I don't just mean my kids' education.
I mean all education entirely.
That's why I'm like- You never should have been involved in education.
tim pool
Trump saying free university is exactly what he's trying to do.
joshua smith
It's terrible.
ian crossland
But there's something, like you don't want one school teaching that 2 plus 2 equals 5 and another school teaching that it equals 4.
You gotta have some government oversight because then everyone will be confused and argue and go to war.
joshua smith
Would you put your kid in the school that teaches 2 plus 2 equals 5?
ian crossland
I wouldn't, but if my parents thought it equaled 5, they probably would have put me in that school.
Yeah, well... And so we have a federal government that's like, no, we're gonna have some standardization.
joshua smith
It's terrible.
Kids aren't standardized at all.
Well, some of it like you ever been around children.
Yeah, they're all different everyone.
ian crossland
Yeah, but if they were being taught that words meant different things, that would be a big
problem. So we need some standardization.
Otherwise, we'd go to war.
joshua smith
We need that standardization only because children parents have become entirely
disinterested with their children's education.
That's the only part.
tim pool
They're disinterested in their kids.
joshua smith
Yeah, entirely.
ian crossland
Also, if a private schools wanted to tweak kids and there was no government oversight,
they could like make little terrorists or make people think the wrong thing.
unidentified
Slightly like the government is doing this now in a bunch of states.
ian crossland
Well, that's a problem.
joshua smith
It but it is you go to a bigger purveyor of what you're talking.
ian crossland
The government's too involved, but I don't think no government in education.
joshua smith
No government education at all.
At all, 100%.
There used to be no government in education, and kids could go to their local schools, they could go to any school they wanted to.
They learned all the things that helped build this country without the government in any state telling them what they had to do in education.
ian crossland
What year?
joshua smith
Oh, I don't know.
The majority of the... The federal government got involved in the 70s, but the states have been involved for quite some time.
But prior to that, the state governments weren't involved in education.
ian crossland
Actually, you know when they started getting involved?
joshua smith
No, I don't know. 1980.
tim pool
D.O.E.
joshua smith
That's the Department of Education.
But there's been state involvement in schools much longer than that, but not that much longer.
tim pool
1867 was the Office of Education.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's probably because the Civil War happened and they were like, we can't let that happen again.
We need to teach these people the same thing.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
I think just ultimately government doesn't want you to have an independent life outside of its purview, right?
And so maybe it was a civil war, but ultimately as soon as they started saying, hey, it turns out we can have a say in your domestic life if we mandate that your children go to school, right?
There has always been a tendency toward creeping reach into influence, and I think the issue is ultimately that the government doesn't know better than parents.
I could get the argument that you want to say that information is standardized, but knowing that 2 plus 2 equals 4 is Basic logic.
I mean that's a refutable.
joshua smith
I live in Iowa.
It's like one of the most free education States in the country.
I mean as far as Education freedom goes you can homeschool your children and you don't have to tell the government anything at all You can just petition your local school district when they're 18 and you think they've gone far enough to get them their diploma So like do you think the government should come in and tell us we can't do we can't homeschool our kids anymore the way that we are I don't know.
ian crossland
It depends on what you're teaching them, I guess.
joshua smith
Why?
ian crossland
Because if you're teaching them that killing is good, that's a big problem.
joshua smith
Okay, well... Murder is good, that would be a big problem.
unidentified
Sure.
joshua smith
Murder is illegal.
The best argument... So if my kids kill somebody, they're gonna get arrested.
That's already illegal.
ian crossland
But if, like, a state was teaching their kids, like, it's okay to steal this, like, there are some laws... You just said a state, though.
joshua smith
That's a government.
ian crossland
Yeah, if there were children within a state all being self-schooled to think that things that were illegal were legal, like, you need some oversight of some structure.
joshua smith
We don't have any in Iowa at all.
Everybody's just fine.
hannah claire brimelow
The only compelling argument I've ever heard for having, you know, minimal government involvement with homeschooling, and because, you know, Iowa doesn't have any, but some states have more than others.
So you can look these up online.
There'll be, you know, blogs or whatever that rate it.
Like New York state has high regulation.
It's very difficult to homeschool in New York.
West Virginia is sort of middle tier.
And one of the things that comes up when you enroll in homeschooling is some states require
you to do a certain number of standardized tests to prove that your kid is learning or
meeting certain criteria, or you have to submit your curriculum.
Some state governments require that.
joshua smith
Dr. Greer I contend that putting the government into education has had a huge, huge hand in tearing it apart.
hannah claire brimelow
Dr. Laura Bain The only time I've ever heard anyone make a compelling argument was this one social worker who said,
the thing is I just wouldn't want a student to not be enrolled in any school and for us
to never know what happened to them.
that interesting because they're making a direct child welfare argument, right?
Like, if a kid is in a, you know, domestically violent home, if they just get lifted out of the system, if they never go to school, you wonder what happened.
I mean, you do hear cases like that.
But to me, that speaks to the fact that we don't have strong communities around them that would let children just fall off the map.
unidentified
Yeah.
joshua smith
And that's what I was going to say.
It's definitely contributed to the downfall of, like, strong families and strong communities entirely.
Yeah.
Just putting the government and education at all.
tim pool
And forcing families into education.
Kids, if a kid doesn't go to school, they'll arrest the parents.
joshua smith
Yes.
tim pool
That's crazy.
ian crossland
It's kind of like this is a good piece of the argument of centralization versus decentralization.
We need some of both.
I mean, I think I air towards decentralization as on a whole, but without any centralization, we would have no federal authority.
We would have no state.
We'd have no United States.
States wouldn't be united because there was no central authority.
joshua smith
You don't have to sell it to me.
unidentified
I'm already a fan.
tim pool
A bunch of small, small states instead of one big country.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I've heard that somewhere.
joshua smith
50 of them?
5,000 Lichtensteins, buddy.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's from Hans-Hermann Hoppe himself.
hannah claire brimelow
I think one of the hard things about the bound—and I always had a hard—one of the struggles I had with libertarians is that I was really interested in foster care and seeing foster care reform, but ultimately the question is always like, Does the government get to say you're a bad parent?
Although we know there are people who should not be parenting, who are not safe parents, who are, you know, at what point do we intervene?
And what frustrates me is that libertarians always fall back on, well, aren't there churches or non-profits to fix that?
But we know, of course, any institution of power could be potentially corrupt, and it's very challenging to deal with children.
And so I think you come into the same kind of obstacles with questions about education, which is that as much as there are lovely, strong parents who, even if they don't know something, they are willing to push and help their students, there are also parents who just don't care and who have these kids who they are ultimately not that interested in or they're detached from.
And how do you make sure those students have, you know, something better?
joshua smith
And it's hard.
Yeah, we adopted two.
We have two adopted kids.
They're actually my oldest daughter's younger siblings.
Part of that, when we adopted them from Arkansas, part of that deal was that they had to be
in some type of public education when we got them.
Yeah, and but thankfully, we're in Iowa where they have community choice charter schools,
which are super community-based.
You have the opportunity to go down and be a part of the curriculum.
You get to join the administration team and all kinds of stuff.
And so we were able to use those because we live in Iowa as a public school and they got
a better education that way.
But even then, they were like – my son was nine when we got him and he had never been
to school at nine years old, not a single day of school.
Nobody had taught him nothing.
He taught himself how to read in the back of a car.
And so we – putting him in the public education system was very hard for him, like extremely
hard for him because they were like, well, he's supposed to be in fourth grade.
We want to put him in fourth grade.
I'm like, Whoa, man, he's never been to school, you know?
And so we had to like do a bunch of wraparound programs and guy was at school with him and my wife was at school with them and, and, you know, it took him some time, but he's caught up now it's in seventh grade.
You know, if we had had the chance to just homeschool him, we could have got him through it a lot better.
hannah claire brimelow
And maybe more smoothly.
joshua smith
Yeah, much more smoothly, with less frustration from him, too.
hannah claire brimelow
But homeschooling is a big... I mean, I think homeschooling is great.
You know, I have family members who homeschool, but it's not without its sacrifices, right?
It's an extremely difficult thing to do.
I understand there are families that rely on, you know, a community school or a public school in town because otherwise they can't work jobs or do whatever they need to do.
It's the fact that ultimately the state knows that that's where families are vulnerable and sees as a place to, you know, influence your children when you need community support.
I mean, that's what theoretically your local elementary school should be.
ian crossland
It was like Dewey who kind of started this really like this Dewey of the federal like really like authoritarian school structure that we have now.
I think it's gone too far.
I think we're going to super chats.
unidentified
I could tell Tim's about to raise the bar.
tim pool
Well, let's go to Super Chats!
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Congratulations.
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The crew you have is amazing.
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Alright, Timmy J says, Eric Erickson called you and Candace Owens anti-semites on his podcast today.
He said he don't know you enough.
Eric Erickson, who is that?
joshua smith
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know him enough to comment on that.
ian crossland
I'm really sick of people saying anti-stuff.
joshua smith
The anti-semi thing just makes me laugh at this point.
ian crossland
I'm done with anti-crap.
I'm done with it.
It doesn't mean anything.
Tell me what you are.
joshua smith
Yeah, I honestly don't care if you call me an anti-Semite or a Nazi or any of that stuff.
I'm still gonna give you my entire, like, truthful opinion on geopolitics.
No matter what you call me, I don't care.
serge du preez
Anyone saying that, that's just like your opinion, man.
Like, you can say that, I guess.
joshua smith
I've been called an anti-Semite more over the last three weeks than I ever have in my entire life, ever.
And it's only because I'm like, hey, maybe children shouldn't be dying for your wars of politics, right?
Like, it's absolutely insane to me.
hannah claire brimelow
Taking crazy positions out there.
ian crossland
I think the Palestinians are Semites, too.
joshua smith
Yes, that's the other thing.
They are.
A lot of Arabs are Semites as well.
It's all about language.
It's really what it is.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, most of these labels don't mean anything because they get thrown around all the time anyways.
joshua smith
Well, it's so funny to me because, obviously, Israel's huge right now.
This is a big, giant topic, right?
But they've always framed it, at least for most of my life, as this giant holy war.
We were talking about this before the show.
But it's not a holy war.
It's not the Muslims versus the Jews.
It's the Zionists versus the Palestinians.
It's a war.
It's a political war.
100% it's a political war.
serge du preez
Yeah.
ian crossland
Meaning that it's the state is trying to take land?
joshua smith
They have.
I mean, they have been.
If you look at the history of the Zionists, and the funny thing, too, is, first of all, there's this divine claim to Israel.
Israel is actually, in the Bible, it is the descendants of Abraham.
It's a citizenship of the heart for anybody who accepts Christ as the Messiah.
And the people who live there today do not accept Christ as the Messiah.
tim pool
But the Jews don't follow the New Testament.
joshua smith
Right.
But they're saying that they have this divine right.
tim pool
In their book they do.
joshua smith
But you've got to understand that to say that that's Israel when it wasn't Israel was Palestine, right?
tim pool
But it was Israel before.
joshua smith
And prior to that, it was the land of Canaan, right?
ian crossland
It was Assyria before that.
joshua smith
I mean, it was Assyria before that.
It was the Ottoman Empire.
I mean, you're talking thousands of years here.
tim pool
So, again, once again, it's a weird thing for me, because Max Blumenthal brought this up.
He was like, this is, it was Palestine.
And before that, it was the descendants of the Jews who were conquered by Muslims.
And I was like, okay, so the Jews are conquering the land back?
Like, bro, there's no argument of someone being like, you want to Hatfields and McCoy this thing all the way back to the dawn of time, fine, so be it.
But if your argument is, it was conquered before, so therefore it's Palestine, I'm like, oh, okay, so they're getting conquered now.
Sounds like the colonizers are getting colonized!
And they're getting comeuppance.
Is that the argument?
joshua smith
No, but you do also have to understand that when the Zionists moved in to Israel, they were living with the Muslims, right?
But there was also Christians that lived there that have been displaced as well.
And still today, 7% of Palestine is Christians.
Right now.
The third oldest church in the entire world.
tim pool
None of that matters.
joshua smith
It does.
I think it does matter.
I think when you're talking about the geopolitics of it, if in this lifetime, in this generation and the last generation, those people lived on that land too, It doesn't matter because these don't present any solutions to the conflict.
tim pool
It's come in and choose a side and then start fighting about it.
joshua smith
And I don't want to choose a side at all.
ian crossland
You really want to distinguish Israeli and Jew.
It's very important that they're two completely different.
The country of Israel and the Zionists, meaning the people that wanted to create a country of Israel, it's totally different than someone that's Jewish.
They're not the same in any way.
joshua smith
In fact, there's a lot of Jews today, and there's video of it all over today, that there's Jews being beaten in the street by Zionists.
Police for protesting against the dead children in Palestine.
Right now, it's happening right now.
tim pool
Do you know that for sure?
joshua smith
Yeah, I saw the videos of it.
I watched the videos of it.
tim pool
Watching a video doesn't mean you know why the fight happened.
And I'm so fed up with all of the lies.
There was no refugee camp, that was a lie.
On both sides.
What was the lie from Israel?
joshua smith
I mean, there's none.
tim pool
I mean, look, I can tell you the examples we have right now.
joshua smith
How about this?
How about this?
I know they're saying that war was declared on October 7th, right by Hamas.
Nobody's going to dispute that.
ian crossland
OK, I think I think Netanyahu is the one who declared the war.
joshua smith
Sure.
tim pool
But well, come on, they Hamas attack Hamas attack and declared war.
joshua smith
But do you know that since January of this year?
In times of peace, 200 Palestinians have been killed by IDF, right?
I don't know.
tim pool
That matters.
joshua smith
Does it?
tim pool
Yes, because Hamas flew over, tore down fencing, killed a bunch of civilians.
joshua smith
In October 7th.
tim pool
And then saying something like 200 Palestinians died, I'm like, okay, what happened?
How many Hamas soldiers died on October 7th?
joshua smith
I don't know.
unidentified
A lot.
tim pool
You should know, right?
I mean, if you're going to use this as an argument, because the argument would be... No, I'm not.
joshua smith
This isn't my argument.
My argument is that these tensions have been going on for years and years and years and years, and they've been killing... Both sides have been killing each other for a long time.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's a big difference between, like, over the span of several months, for a reason we have not yet determined, 200 Palestinians died.
It doesn't answer how many Israelis died.
It also doesn't correlate with...
joshua smith
And that's why that number doesn't mean anything.
tim pool
It doesn't mean anything.
So when I say that the history of the region in terms of like it was this country before this country before this country doesn't solve the problem today.
So you've got Israel and Palestine fighting.
We say, what's the solution to stop the conflict right now?
Okay, well, Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th in a brutal, horrifying way.
Now Israel is airstriking Gaza.
Thousands of civilians are dying.
I think there's a fair argument for a ceasefire only in the context of we do not want regional conflict, which is happening.
joshua smith
It's starting.
The Hezbollah's firing shells today.
tim pool
And then the Houthis in Yemen are launching attacks.
Iran's backing all of them.
And now it's pulling everybody in.
Plus, Israel's been bombing Syria.
This is bubbling up.
It's getting massive.
The only reason to call for a ceasefire is not because of a moral stance on who is allowed or not to do it.
It's because, guys, stop fighting before the whole world blows up.
joshua smith
We're not going to get a ceasefire.
And do you want to hear my conspiracy theory on this?
This is a conspiracy theory.
I have nothing to back this up.
But the West has wanted war with Iran for a long time.
That's undisputable, right?
And so putting boots on the ground, Western boots on the ground in Palestine is going
to – Paul Mueller They're doing it.
Trey Lockerbie Yes, and it's going to hugely increase the chances of terrorist attacks in the West, which is
exactly what happened on 9-11 that gave them all the support they needed to go into
Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria later, Yemen, these places that they needed to go, right?
This 11 countries or whatever that they wanted to go to war with.
They know 100% that when they put boots on the ground, in Palestine, there's going to be terrorist attacks in the
West, they're going to get the support that they need for war with Iran.
That's what they've been pushing for.
tim pool
It is a fact, according to the New York Times and the Times of Israel, that U.S. Special
Forces are in Israel assisting with recovery of hostages.
Now, that's the extent of the statement.
joshua smith
Right.
tim pool
But you'd be insane not to think that as- Special forces.
Exactly.
They don't stand there and liaise with Israel.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They go get them.
And with Israel now cutting Gaza in half, the assumption is U.S.
forces are already fighting.
Plus, there have been reporters on the ground who have stated this already.
Rumors, because it's hard to confirm these things, but if the official reporting is Special forces are there.
Then a reporter says, hey, Americans are in Gaza fighting.
It stands to reason that's likely the case.
According to Bloomberg, the U.S.
held secret meetings discussing U.S.
troops occupying Gaza after this operation ends.
So yes.
joshua smith
Right.
tim pool
Iran.
joshua smith
They know.
ian crossland
We should go deep on the after show.
joshua smith
That's what they're trying to do.
ian crossland
On Israel-Palestine conflict.
I want to go deeper.
joshua smith
Yeah, we can go deeper on it for sure.
There's a lot.
I got a lot more to say.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
So I looked up Eric Erickson.
He's a personality.
hannah claire brimelow
Hello?
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
What was that?
hannah claire brimelow
Awesome.
ian crossland
Your phone.
unidentified
No, that was, uh, we're in the Discord channel.
tim pool
Someone went in- Oh, I see.
Yeah, why are we in the Discord channel?
That's not supposed to happen.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, that was terrifying.
tim pool
Yeah, just a bright hello from someone who popped in, and there you go.
No, thank you!
unidentified
Yeah, sorry about that.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
Let's read.
Eric Erickson is like a conservative personality or whatever.
I think it's funny that I'm getting a bunch of people calling me an Israeli Zionist shill, and then Eric Erickson allegedly, according to this tweet, is calling me an anti-Semite or something.
Yeah, it's either way.
There's nothing you can do about it, I guess.
hannah claire brimelow
You can make no one happy.
joshua smith
Yeah, you've been pretty pro-Israel to be calling it anti-Semite, right?
tim pool
I mean, I'm pro-Israel in the extent of October 7th.
Like, I'm not gonna get into the history of the region, and I can only tell you now that when people make moral arguments about what Israel did in the past versus what Hamas did on October 7th... Or what Israel's doing right now, too.
I'm just like, none of this is solving anything.
joshua smith
Right.
tim pool
You know, and then they're like, yeah, well, Israel's right to defend itself, blah blah blah, and I'm like...
Sure, like, I'm not saying you're wrong, but this is not going to solve any of the problems.
joshua smith
No, it's going to make it much worse.
It's all going to get way worse.
tim pool
So I don't have any moral answers for anybody other than Hamas did a whole bunch of awful things, and then the left keeps lying about all of it.
joshua smith
Right.
tim pool
And so what bothers me is that, oh, a hospital was bombed.
Psych!
Not really.
Oh, a refugee camp was bombed.
Psych!
Not really.
And then I'm like, I'm done.
And then they're like, yeah, well, Israel is bombing civilians.
I'm like, yeah, but all of those stories turn out to be lies.
joshua smith
No, they're definitely bought.
There's a lot of Syrians.
For sure!
tim pool
Of course, of course.
unidentified
Thousands.
tim pool
Except the two big ones that were Cassius Belli for these other countries and militia groups to get involved were fake.
And I'm just like, at this point, I'm done listening to people who, in their own doctrine, say lie to me to gain political power.
I don't care about Israel.
Like, they're a country that exists.
There's a war going on.
joshua smith
You should care more about Israel.
tim pool
I care about Israel as much as I care about Myanmar.
joshua smith
Because Israel has a ton of influence on your politics here in the United States.
tim pool
And I care about Israel as much as I care about Myanmar and Armenia.
Are there problems in Armenia with the Christians?
You bet, it's horrifying.
We should talk about it.
I care about Israel as much as that and these other countries.
Nobody's talking about those countries.
The psychotic, psychotic, psychotic obsession with Israel is the most annoying thing in the world to me.
It's just like, there's some people who just cannot talk about anything else.
And I'm like, geez, you have people on Twitter that will have a calm, rational conversation
with you about anything.
And then as soon as Israel comes up, they'll start talking about nuking Gaza.
And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
joshua smith
And calling you an anti-Semite if you don't want any dead children too.
tim pool
And I'm like, can we talk about Burma?
You're not passionate about Burma?
joshua smith
I mean, like- Or Yemen, Yemen.
tim pool
My top passion is- 1948, the Burma-Myanmar conflict,
200 plus thousand dead, nobody cares.
joshua smith
I mean, the Yemen humanitarian crisis just stopped.
Like literally 500,000 dead children due to foreign policy,
like US foreign policy in Saudi Arabia.
And like nobody said a word.
hannah claire brimelow
I always say this, our priority should be what's happening in the US.
You can't be compassionate or empathetic to what's going on outside the US, but how can we have this conversation about what we should be doing in an interventionist fashion when we don't secure our own border?
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Bender the Offender says, Tim, I do not think that a majority of states would abolish or ban no-fault divorce due to the fact that states get a financial percentage from the divorcees.
However, I did see that the GOP was going after no-fault divorce thoughts.
No-fault divorce should be abolished, and I believe that along with it, it will take child support with it.
I think child support is overwhelmingly a really, really awful and evil thing.
joshua smith
Title IV-D of the Social Security Act.
This is part of my platform for president, by the way.
What is it?
Explain.
So, the lamest, most basic terms for Title IV-D of the Social Security Act is for every 66 cents that a state spends on child support enforcement, welfare programs, stuff like that, the federal government returns them a dollar for every 66 cents they spend.
So, essentially, what the federal government has now done has subsidized the state with To separate families so they can treat one custodial parent that has the child all the time and one as a visitor so they can take revenue from them.
And for every dollar they collect from them, or for every 66 cents they collect from them, the federal government gives them a dollar back.
But also, through No Fault Divorce and other things including these programs that states have, we've incentivized women most of the time, 96.7% of the time it's the woman.
To split up the family and get paid and you have to pay for her life and your child's life and your own life and then you get to see your child every other Sunday night.
tim pool
Child support in almost all forms should be abolished because it is an incentive and a safety net to tell anyone, but typically women, that if you break up your family With no fault, the man is on the hook.
You have a say.
Don't worry about it.
joshua smith
Title 40 of the Social Security Act will take care of a lot of that.
tim pool
Divorce should be only in the instances of fault, abuse, infidelity.
And it will typically be men.
If a man is abusing his wife, sorry buddy, you gotta pay child support and a lot.
If a guy is committing infidelity, you broke the rules, you broke the terms of your agreement, you gotta pay child support.
But if you have a man and a woman who are married, and the woman just says, I'm not into it anymore, I'm getting a divorce, and you have to pay?
Nope!
That should be abolished.
And the guy should be like, well, you chose to break the family up, here's how it should work.
Joint custody!
And then the guy says, I'll pay for the kids when I have the kids and you pay for the kids when you have the kids.
No question.
There should be no incentive.
joshua smith
Equal responsibility.
tim pool
Equal responsibility and no incentive for anyone to get a divorce knowing the other partner, typically the man, has to pay for it.
joshua smith
I talked a lot about this on the last show I was on with you already, but the amount of fatherless homes in America is one in four.
One in four kids lives in a fatherless home.
82% of all violent youth offenders sitting in jail today are from a fatherless home.
92% of mass shooters are from a fatherless home.
These are undeniable statistics.
hannah claire brimelow
This was Larry Elder's big thing.
He announced his candidacy.
He led off with the fact that the fatherless epidemic is the thing driving social destruction in America.
joshua smith
It is the absolute worst thing that we face as Americans today.
It has bred an entire generation of apathetic, violent children.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's solvable.
I mean, we could change the culture.
joshua smith
And the stats are undeniable.
hannah claire brimelow
But we'd have to acknowledge that this is an issue and you'd have to fight the idea that, like, no, it's great if we have, you know, unmarried couples, single moms who depend on the government, which is obviously not what one party in particular wants.
tim pool
I want to read this.
Federale Actual says, I'm literally out of discretionary funds, but had to tip one last time hearing that Tim is hiring skaters who speak out.
Keep going, guys.
Spiral out and vote for Josh Smith.
Was I first?
You were far from first.
But I want to stress this point.
Yes.
I don't know if it's up yet, but it's called The Boonies.
It's our skate show.
We were just having a meeting over the new skate park designs.
We are bringing on a series of pro skaters.
We filmed with a bunch of semi-pro Ams, and we're doing tips for tricks, cash, Two skateboarders!
Oh, it is the most glorious thing ever.
Because there are some skateboarders who are just cowards, absolute cowards.
And they're like, I'm scared to come and skate your park because then someone might yell at me on the internet.
And I'm like, then there's no money here for you, but it's your choice.
Then there are other skaters who are like, I don't care what people on the internet say, let's go!
And they show up and do awesome tricks.
The point of this is, you know what the hardest thing in the culture war is?
Inspiring young people.
joshua smith
Sure.
tim pool
So many people, I don't have kids.
Working on it, none of your business.
But everyone's always like, where are your kids?
Well, it's a private family matter, but not that you're asking.
But making sure that the next generation holds our values is quite literally the apex of our mission.
That's the only thing that matters.
Sure.
You can say, right now, I wish the system was this way.
What you need to be saying and understanding is, the system changes when you share those ideas with young people who can then start working towards expanding those ideas as they grow older and growing into it.
If you do nothing, they're all communists.
joshua smith
Also, let me say, if you're waiting for things to get better to have children, don't.
They're not going to get any better.
You've got to have kids now.
tim pool
It's a myth.
Yeah, the guy who had seven kids while living in the middle of the woods 300 years ago was not waiting for it to get better.
Actually, the kids were making it better.
He was like, we need kids who can help do work.
If we're going to survive, build a tribe!
joshua smith
Strong men create good times, and you can only make strong kids if you're having them.
tim pool
So this is the point when Federale says he's out of money, but he's tipping anyway.
I really do appreciate it, and I just want to stress This is the point, this is the mission.
We were talking about money before the show, and I'm like, man, if I just did my one YouTube channel in the morning, and the morning show podcast, I am wealthy, and I have the rest of the day off, and I don't gotta worry about any responsibility.
Instead, I've decided to take on a whole bunch of extra work to try and build culture.
Music, skateboarding, coffee shop, whatever we can, because that's the key path to victory, and it is, Arduous.
It is strenuous.
It is stressful.
But it's worth it.
I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression.
Obviously, building a company builds my net worth at the same time.
It's not like I'm just flushing money down the toilet.
But there's a lot of other easier things I could do with all the money made from just one YouTube channel and just programmatic ads.
ian crossland
Yeah, but if you just sit around and do that, they'll make CBDC and then ban you for saying something they don't like.
You gotta move.
tim pool
Exactly.
Exactly.
That, I don't know, I just feel like doing it.
joshua smith
Diversify your portfolio.
ian crossland
If you woke up tomorrow and you had a million dollars clean cash in your bank account, what would you do?
tim pool
It's a lesson I learned a long time ago. I'll ask you right now if you woke up tomorrow and you had a million dollars
Clean cash in your bank account. What would you do invest 75% of it?
So there's three tiers of answers that the So this is a question typically asked of venture capitalists.
There's three tiers of the answers.
One is, the ideal answer is the direct response of, oh man, a million bucks?
We are looking at this new property where we can start producing more of our product.
If I had 300,000, that's the answer they're looking for.
The second answer is what you said.
I would invest.
Okay, well, it's a little vague, but that's good because it means if I give you money, you're looking to make money with it.
And the worst answer, which is 95% of the answers is, Oh, man.
joshua smith
Vacation.
unidentified
Vacation!
tim pool
Like, aw, dude, I'd get a new car, and I'd pay off my bills, and it's like, I will never give you a penny.
And so, when people ask, if someone were to ask me, like, if you were given a million dollars, Tim, right now, what would you buy with it?
I'd be like, oh, I'd just hire someone to make a couple documentaries to try and win the culture war, I guess.
That's literally the only thing I care about.
You know?
I could live in a van down by the river and be happy, but in terms of what I want to buy with things is people doing awesome stuff to win.
joshua smith
Just also remember the other most important thing you can do to win the culture war is to have children and raise them to be free-thinking, independent humans.
Very, very important.
ian crossland
Going places you don't normally go and interacting with people you don't normally interact with is vastly powerful.
joshua smith
Yeah, it can be, for sure.
unidentified
Absolutely.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Here we go.
Let's read some more.
Riley Lewin says, Ian Freeman was sentenced to 96 months in federal prison for selling Bitcoin without sufficient investigations into his willing customers in early October.
Not the first or the last, unfortunately.
joshua smith
Yeah, there's a few.
The Crypto 6 or something like that from New Hampshire, he was part of that.
I don't know all the details of the court case, so I'm not going to comment on it too much.
Ian Freeman has a podcast community that he puts my podcast on for me all the time.
He's a pretty cool guy.
tim pool
Reeby Cheap says, to be honest, $2,000 isn't enough.
This is in reference to a video I made where a woman says she won't sleep with a man until he spends $2,000 on her.
And I said she's right.
He says, you shouldn't sleep with a man unless he also buys you a $9,000 shiny rock and swears in front of both your families to love you forever.
Bingo!
I don't know about the $9,000 shiny rock, and the money isn't necessarily what's important.
This woman wrote an article where she was like, I heard that some women are saying they'll only sleep with a man if he spends $2,000 on her.
And she's like, I think that's probably a good idea, because I've slept with a bunch of guys, and then they ditched me the next day.
And if I wait until they spend this money, maybe they'll stick around.
And I'm like, women are starting to rediscover standards again.
hannah claire brimelow
I know, it's crazy.
Thank goodness.
joshua smith
Full circle.
tim pool
She says at the end of the article, actually, what's more important than the money is, what is their job?
Do they have debt?
Did they go to school?
Do they have a stable career?
What's their future plans?
hannah claire brimelow
And I'm like... What's their relationship like with their family, their parents?
tim pool
Yes, and I'm like, these are all the questions we always asked, and then we got rid of it for hookup culture, and now you're realizing that was bad, and hooking up with random guys was bad, and now you're like, maybe I should actually stop, ask these guys about their lives, and if they don't stick around, they weren't worth it in the first place.
hannah claire brimelow
I think women are also discovering that when you have standards for men, men like to meet the standards.
They like to pursue and achieve, right?
So if I say, like, I want to be with someone who's high-achieving, that's desirable for someone who also wants to be high-achieving, and that is better for both of us in the long run.
If you're expecting very little and the man doesn't have to do anything, like, maybe he'll hang around for a while, but ultimately he is dissatisfied with his life anyways and will move on.
It doesn't benefit anyone to have low standards.
joshua smith
I said the other day, all this stuff popped up originally with that tweet of the, I don't know, what was it, $200 on the first date or whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah.
joshua smith
You retweeted my tweet, but I said, when I stopped dating for a fun time and started dating for a long time, I stopped having dates that didn't need reservations.
And that's true.
When I wanted that quality, I changed my whole life to go get quality.
ian crossland
I've been getting into chastity lately, which is just really sex with a purpose, instead of just lust.
It's stressful because testosterone's nuts, but it's really rewarding.
tim pool
You've got to meditate.
You've got to discipline.
You have to be the warrior.
joshua smith
Or get married.
Start a family.
There's two kinds of people.
tim pool
And you can do it whenever you want.
Look, you're either in control of yourself or you're being controlled by whims, right?
When you wake up, do you decide?
Like, I am me and I decide what I do.
Or do you just face compulsion within you and say, I'll do whatever I feel.
You know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
I think the things you do in life should have purpose and dating is one of those things.
tim pool
Are you an NPC or are you a player character?
I'm a player character that means you when your body says I want a large chocolate cake you say I'm not eating that
yeah When your body says I don't feel like working out you say
you're damn right. You're working out. Yeah, it's kind of nice
That's what rogan said. He has a great quote where he's like, I think it's rogan where he said that inner bitch
says no I don't feel like working out you got to beat it into
ian crossland
submission and then go work out Beat it earlier into submission
tim pool
Yeah, all right here I love this one The Real Hydro PX.
We don't read enough of your superchats.
It says, Tim is such a pompous person who thinks the people around him don't understand things.
It's his insecurities from not having a GED.
I had to read it because I love it.
And Real Hydro, I really do appreciate it.
I think you've given me like $5,000 at this point.
From just blasting these superchats all day, every day, just insulting me.
ian crossland
Is he right?
tim pool
He's not right.
hannah claire brimelow
Is he talking about when you explain things that, you know, everyone involved in our conversation listening at home may not know?
Like when you explained whatever the, the, uh, CBDC acronym?
unidentified
Yeah.
joshua smith
Like, is that what he's referring to?
I think he's talking about maybe your guests or something.
tim pool
Some people in the chat were like, what's CBDC?
That's why I say it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
joshua smith
It's like you're a podcast host.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you know who Josh Denny is?
tim pool
Maybe.
joshua smith
The comedian Josh Denny.
Redheaded guy.
He was on the Food Network for a while.
He's been really cancelled from a lot of things.
ian crossland
Sounds familiar.
joshua smith
I had him on my show once.
And he's got like this dedicated group of like troll haters.
We'll go to any media that he does and super chat questions to make fun of him and before the show he goes listen You're gonna get all kinds of super chats of people asking me questions that are derogatory Calling me uber driver and all these things ask everyone He said he said I'll stay on for three hours and get you every super chat you need I was like alright, man.
Let's do it.
I sounds fun, and we did we said I mean it was great He's like paying for his own ticket out there.
He paid for everything.
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
First of all, the main reason I don't read a lot of Hydro's Super Chats is because there's too many of them.
And I try to read a bunch of different ones.
But I also have no problem reading Super Chats from people who don't like me.
I think that's kind of the point, too.
But I do think it's just like, this one was particularly good.
I don't have a GED or whatever.
I'm literally complaining about school saying stop going.
hannah claire brimelow
The multi-millionaire who doesn't have a GED.
I mean, Tim Cross himself is asleep about it.
His life is in ruins.
tim pool
It's not that.
I'm just begging people to stop going to school and it's like, haha, you wish you did.
And I'm like, I genuinely want the school system to be destroyed!
That's why I like that one because I have such a hard-on for him.
Hating institutionalized learning facilities.
joshua smith
That one really... I got my GED with the military.
I'm like a dum-dum.
unidentified
GED?
tim pool
What does it even mean?
joshua smith
Like, dude... Good enough diploma.
tim pool
But it's not even... Look, I don't know where I learned this or how I learned this, but if you can convince someone you don't need anything.
You know, you can walk into any venue you want, meet any celebrity you want, so long as you know how to speak words.
That's all you need.
And so I'm like, what is this piece of paper going to get me that I can't just say?
So you know what I did?
You wanna know how easy it is?
I went to college for one month at a community college, and then I checked off on every job application, some college.
They never asked for a diploma again.
joshua smith
No.
tim pool
Didn't need it.
joshua smith
Nope.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
Daniel Caldwell says, hey crew, I'm a logistics coordinator guy in Pittsburgh.
I've been site manager for seven Super Bowl halftime shows and best boy for local rigging crews in the Burg.
May I be of assistance in your upcoming visit?
I'd love to help.
The answer is yes, but I don't do the coordination for the live events.
We have a live event coordinator and then it's going to be Like, we're a month, maybe two months out from, like, which venue it's gonna be, and then which production company we're gonna use, and so it's hard to just take a Super Chat and be like, we'd love to have you because we don't even know what we're doing.
And then what's likely gonna happen is that one guy will say, here's the next guy, and the next guy says, here's the next guy, and then it all, like, falls down like, you know, dominoes.
Alright, we'll grab one more.
One more Super Chat.
For some reason Super Chats just aren't loading.
I don't know why.
unidentified
I'm weird.
ian crossland
Yeah, I see that.
Yep.
tim pool
Alright, Matt Kinder says, Today is my birthday.
I watch Timcast every single night.
I love the show and I love what you're doing for the culture.
Keep up the good work.
ian crossland
Happy birthday, Matt!
Is that Matt Kinder?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Happy birthday, Matt.
serge du preez
Happy birthday, Matt.
tim pool
Last one, Waffle Sensei says, Josh, why should I vote for a libertarian when it will not result in a libertarian president?
It will help Democrats win.
Voting for Trump saves him from false imprisonment and stands up for the principles of liberty itself.
joshua smith
I love these questions.
These are my favorite questions.
They ask me every single day.
First of all, I don't care about your your candidate, honest to God.
I've lived through Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Trump, Biden, and my life has never been enriched by a president.
Not once.
Not one time have they ever made my life better.
They never made my family's life better.
And like I said earlier in the show, every single piece of bad legislation that's ever gotten through the house and the executive ranch has had bipartisan support.
Every single time.
And I don't care.
I don't care about your candidates anymore, truthfully.
But the other thing, too, is like, your candidate doesn't deserve the votes.
They have to earn the votes.
That's literally what politics is.
And here's the best part about this.
Voting for a libertarian, especially if you can waste your vote, because libertarian candidates are not going to win presidency in 2024.
That's just insane.
If somebody's telling you they are, they're a liar.
tim pool
Yeah, with that attitude.
joshua smith
Well, crazier things have happened, I'm sure.
But, you know, if you were to get us that percentage that makes us a national major political party, now you have another party swimming around in the water that actually makes your candidates have to start governing the way that they campaign.
And that's a really important thing, right?
It's like we've been lied to repeatedly in these campaigns, these high dollar campaigns, while they're stuffing their pockets and doing all this bad stuff and sending all your tax money around all these different countries, 200 countries every year.
tim pool
Right, they never govern the way that they campaign But if you got the 40 year old blue-collar working-class guy that puts his boots on every morning now coming for your long-held position of power Well, you might have to start doing the things you said you were gonna do and so it's just a challenge to the system Yeah, if you believe in the free market, which I like to call the consumer driven market, you know that Competition breeds innovation and breeds success The argument is, typically, if you're in a blue state and you know it's going Democrat, then you can help the Libertarians get a higher percentage and increase their competition, or you can always vote Libertarian locally.
It's not always just about presidential.
joshua smith
Yeah, there's a lot of local candidates that are really good, and we win a lot.
People think that we don't win any races.
We win at least 200 in an election cycle of mayors and city councils and all kinds of stuff.
tim pool
Alright everybody, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends.
Head over to TimCast.com, the members-only, uncensored show.
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You don't want to miss it.
It's fun.
It's not family-friendly.
It'll be a little spicy.
And you can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast Everywhere.
Joshua, do you want to shout anything out?
joshua smith
Yeah, absolutely.
Go follow my show to break the cycle with Joshua Smith.
It's right here on YouTube.
You can find it at youtube.com backslash fight the despots.
And of course, the campaign websites Joshua Smith 2024 calm, you can find all my info there, donate to the campaign, become a volunteer, all the good things that we need.
And follow me on Twitter at Joshua at large.
hannah claire brimelow
That's awesome.
It's been so fun having you here.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.B and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimelow.
Guys, thank you so much.
And of course, Ian.
ian crossland
Tonight is the night.
You're going to subscribe to me on YouTube.
It happened.
I'm fully monetized.
Tomorrow is...
One of my most exciting interviews I've ever had.
It's at 3.30 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time with James Tuer, one of the leading graphene scientists on Earth at Rice University.
They're doing flash jewel creation of graphene and hydrogen for fuel.
This interview is going to be incredible.
The guy's brilliant, and I want to see you there.
Come join me at 3.30 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time at Ian Crossland on YouTube, and I'll catch you there.
serge du preez
And I am Surge.com.
I enjoyed today's show.
Pleasure seeing you.
I guess meeting you for the first time.
joshua smith
Meeting for the first time, yeah.
I follow you on Twitter, man.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's right.
I'm a fan.
I'm a fan.
Anyways, guys, follow me on Twitter, too, at Surge.com.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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