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Timcast IRL - Yemeni Rebels Declare WAR On Israel As War Expands, Ukraine Ends w/Michael Rectenwald
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tim pool
I saw this tweet earlier.
People were saying that Yemen basically declared war on Israel.
Well, it's the Houthi militia that is claiming they've launched attacks on Israel.
They're Iranian-backed, and so there is concern that the war is beginning to escalate.
However, calm down there, my friends, because it seems like the Ukraine war is over.
And so while all war is bad, it is like, it's kind of good news that Zelensky is losing.
Time Magazine has published their front page story.
Zelensky is desperate to win, but his advisors are saying they've lost the war.
Russia is winning.
They're losing the war, I should say, to be clear.
And there's little interest in the U.S.
to continue funding what is already lost.
As we said this some time ago, it looks like Russia's won this one.
In the meantime, however, it looks like things are escalating over Israel.
We've got other breaking news that Israel has now admitted to bombing a refugee camp, killing at least 50 civilians.
And apparently they went on CNN and they said they did it.
So things are getting absolutely horrifying right now.
And as this escalates, there's concern with other nations saying that if Israel keeps up these bombing campaigns which kill civilians, then it's going to escalate further.
Hopefully, as we see Ukraine wind down, the things that are escalating in the Middle East do not become a World War III scenario or go beyond the region.
We're all hoping for that.
We'll talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk to us about all of this is Dr. Michael Rechtenwald.
michael rectenwald
Hi there, Tim.
How you doing?
tim pool
Good.
Thanks for coming.
michael rectenwald
Glad to be here.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
michael rectenwald
I'm the former NYU professor who took on the woke mob for free speech.
I am a former Marxist turned radical libertarian.
Wow.
And I am the author of 12 books, including Springtime for Snowflakes, Thought Criminal, and The Great Reset and the Struggle for Liberty.
And speaking of liberty, I'm running for president as a libertarian.
tim pool
Well, all right.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
This should be very interesting.
Okay, we got Brett hanging out.
brett dasovic
What is going on, guys?
Yes, I am Brett Dasovic, the host of Pop Culture Crisis.
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phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains, very failed musician, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
And I'm here with my man, Serge.com, indeed.
serge du preez
I'm ready when you are, Tim.
Let's get ready.
tim pool
Here's a story from the New York Times.
Yemen's Houthi militia claims to have launched an attack on Israel.
The Israeli military said it had thwarted a batch of aerial threats, but did not say who was behind them.
Yemen's Houthi militia claimed an attempted attack on southern Israel on Tuesday, saying it had launched a large batch of ballistic and cruise missiles as well as drones toward Israeli targets.
The Iran-backed militia carried out the attempted assault in response to what it called brutal Israeli-American aggression in Gaza.
The military spokesman Yaya Saraya said on the social media platform Axe.
Ms.
Saraya said the attack was the third operation conducted by the Houthis in support of our persecuted brothers in Palestine and threatened further missile and drone assaults.
The Times could not independently verify the claims.
On Tuesday, the Israeli military said its aerial defense system had intercepted a surface-to-surface missile fired towards Israel from the area of the Red Sea.
It said it has also intercepted other aerial threats in the area, none of which entered Israeli territory.
Now here's the big concern, I suppose.
If you're looking at this through the lens of the Ben Shapiro perspective, his view is that if the U.S.
does not get involved and stamp out aggression or assist in the stamping out of aggression towards Israel, we are going to see an escalation of these kinds of assaults Which results in Israel taking the nuclear option, perhaps quite literally, resulting in a World War III scenario, when, uh, basically the idea is, there's two ideas.
One, in response to a serious military threat that could end Israel, Israel says, fire everything we've got.
The second scenario, similar is, Israel, facing its demise, says, we're going to fire everything, everywhere, and we're going to force the intervention of other countries to stop this conflict.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I mean, it's the exact inverse of what Shapiro's saying.
The more we do, the more we intervene, the greater the threat of this turning into a wider conflict.
More countries that'll get drawn in.
You know, you have, of course, everything points back to Iran here, supposedly, with Hezbollah and now the Houthis, and so we're looking at the possibility of drawing other actors into this, and the United States is seemingly itching to attack Iran, and that's a problem.
You know, the arming and funding of Israel is outrageous.
This is drawing all these actors out.
So we're actually, our interventions are causing this conflict to escalate.
tim pool
So the, I guess my question is, If the U.S.
does nothing, do you think these other countries, these Iranian-backed militias in Iran, do you think they just ignore Israel?
Or do you think they attack Israel?
michael rectenwald
I mean, if the U.S.
does nothing but fund them to the tune of $3.8 billion a year, and now another $14 billion, Then, of course, there's going to be our involvement.
We're already implicated in the whole conflict because of the arms and funding we've been giving them over all this time.
So, yeah, we need to retrench.
We need to pull back all of our funding.
And, yeah, we would see that if we didn't intervene in all these conflicts, there would be less conflict in the world, and especially the Middle East.
phil labonte
Do you think that if the United States were not giving funding, giving weapons and essentially
essentially it's probably just giving weapons that the U.S.
pays weapon manufacturers for, but if the U.S. were not and the Israelis were just buying
weapons from U.S. manufacturers, do you think that the the Houthis in Iran would look at it
any differently?
Because in my opinion, I don't think that the people, the countries and states that
don't like Israel would see a distinction even if we weren't giving it away.
If we were like, look, U.S.
firms are allowed to sell you, like Raytheon and Boeing can sell you weapons, but we're not paying for it.
I don't really strongly believe that the Iranians are going to consider that a, they'll call it a difference without a distinction.
michael rectenwald
Well, I don't know.
We're giving them the money, and then they buy the arms.
That's how it works, $3.8 billion a year.
So I think that, you know, I don't think, first of all, Israel would be able to afford as much arms if it weren't for these outlandish grants every year.
And then add $14 billion on top of it, and you've got the United States totally implicated.
I mean, I don't see how that helps anything at all.
Yeah, if they were just buying their arms, and largely from the United States, perhaps those countries would still consider the U.S.
implicated.
But there's no doubt that we're fully involved in this because of that.
And right now, U.S.
rockets and bombs are falling on children in Palestine.
This is an outrage.
This should be something that we completely oppose.
We have no business doing this, and I think it's blood on our hands, frankly.
phil labonte
I agree.
The U.S.
shouldn't fund it, but I just am not convinced that other countries would see a distinction.
michael rectenwald
Let's try it for once.
We haven't tried this ever.
Why don't we give it a try?
phil labonte
100%.
I'm not trying to push back against the idea.
tim pool
Actually, I think we tried it during the Barbary Wars.
The U.S.
was kind of like, hey, can we not go to war with you guys?
Like, what's going on?
And then they were like, nah, we're gonna keep stealing.
phil labonte
There was no Israel back then, but yeah.
tim pool
No, but my point is like, it was only the founding fathers who were like, the United States will not be involved in these foreign conflicts.
And then you get to, you know, late 1800s, early 1900s, and the politicians then are like, I think the U.S.
should be involved in foreign affairs and just start setting up military conquests.
Why not?
And there you have it.
michael rectenwald
And now we have 800 bases around the world.
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah.
michael rectenwald
And one in Israel, by the way.
Apparently there's a secret base in Israel right now.
It's called 152.
It's this very, you know, nondescript name and we're actually, we have forces located in there.
They're saying it's just living accommodations, but it has U.S.
forces in it.
This has been revealed.
tim pool
Site 512, is that what it is?
michael rectenwald
Yes, that's it.
tim pool
Yeah.
So this is the intercept.
Right.
U.S.
quietly expands secret military base in Israel.
Government documents point to construction at a classified U.S.
base offer rare hints about little noted U.S.
military presence near Gaza.
And there was some reporting, hard to know what's true, claiming that U.S.
forces were actually in Gaza during the invasion and may be there now.
And, uh, perhaps?
michael rectenwald
It's very hard to tell.
I mean, all this is kept secret.
These 2,000 troops that were sent over, they're sent to an undisclosed location.
We don't know where they are.
The Defense Department will not say where they are.
So, I mean, for certain military reasons that makes sense, but we still don't know.
They may be in Israel.
phil labonte
I'm not familiar with the troop deployment.
I know that there's two Marine Expeditionary Units that are with some carrier groups, but I don't know about... Yeah, there's 2,000 troops that have been sent over.
michael rectenwald
2,000, you know, I don't know if they're infantry or Marines or whatever they are.
They're there and in the region, but they won't tell us where they are in the region.
phil labonte
I bet they're in Iraq.
michael rectenwald
And then, of course, we have two aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean and, you know, we have tons of arms just loaded around.
So I think they're trying to bait the U.S.
into a conflict.
If something gets struck, we're going to go in.
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Well, now with the U.S.
hostages.
You have the argument that, oh, the reason we have Delta forces on the ground is because of the hostages.
phil labonte
The presence of 2,500 U.S.
troops in Iraq and another 900 in eastern Syria, both on missions against the Islamic State, this is... Trump tried bringing them back.
Yeah.
tim pool
But don't you think that... What are your thoughts on this?
I mean, a lot of people say that if the U.S.
is not, if the U.S.
just retracts everything, China just sweeps in.
michael rectenwald
I don't agree.
tim pool
I mean, they moved into Afghanistan.
michael rectenwald
Well, I mean, the thing is, in terms of China, what we're doing is provoking them as well, because we're talking about now sending military aid to Taiwan.
This is an utter provocation.
So we're drawing China into conflict, seemingly on purpose, and I don't think China is going to try to... First of all, they don't have the military power to do it.
They do not have the military power to take over the United States or invade us or anything like that.
tim pool
No, but I mean, they'll start They'll grow that power.
They'll move into Central America.
There's already concerns they're going to try and make a move.
They were trying to build the Nicaraguan Canal to gain control or at least compete with the Panama Canal.
There's a rumor about them trying to gain control of the Panama Canal.
They're already moving into Africa and South America.
michael rectenwald
I mean, these are not military conquests, though.
tim pool
No, it's more like, you know, the West uses the IMF.
michael rectenwald
It's the Belt and Road Initiative, and this is how they're growing their soft power.
And, you know, frankly, we should open up trade with China.
We are now embargoing their chips.
We refuse to send certain chips to China.
What's this going to do?
This is already hurting our economy, and what it'll do for them is they'll just go elsewhere for these chips.
tim pool
They'll make them themselves or get them elsewhere.
michael rectenwald
We refuse to send them certain chips, yeah.
tim pool
There's a concern though that they're reverse engineering a lot of our intellectual property, a lot of our technology,
but they're also sending us compromised electronics.
That was a big story a few years ago where they're like, your toaster could be broadcasting a signal and you wouldn't
know and it's stealing your information.
michael rectenwald
I don't think China's our real threat, the number one primary enemy, frankly.
Who is?
The state.
Our government.
tim pool
Our government?
michael rectenwald
Our government.
Well, elaborate.
Look, who's responsible for more deaths of Americans than our government?
We have sent more people over to die than any country has killed.
So we're actually provoking other countries, we're entering in all these military expeditions, and in that way the state itself is more responsible for U.S.
deaths than China, Iran, Russia, or North Korea combined.
tim pool
You know, I thought about this, and I was thinking that it seems like there's an occupying force that's been controlling this country, because the American people don't want war.
They never want war.
Almost never.
And yet here we are, consistently going into wars without having declared war on anybody.
And then I think, no, it's probably better to just say we were sold out by our politicians who continue to sell us out.
So it's not so much that we're occupied, it's that we have a fractured government and corrupt politicians, which everyone agrees with.
michael rectenwald
Well, I don't know how fractured it is, because when it comes to war and military expeditions and foreign policy, this is a uniparty.
There's no distance between these people.
brett dasovic
It does seem to be like the only time they ever actually agree on anything is when it's going to war in other countries.
unidentified
Right.
brett dasovic
Have there been polls done recently about what the American public's thoughts are on war right now, given, obviously we know what the American people think of war in Ukraine, but have there been studies or any type of polls that have been done talking about what they think about military intervention in Israel?
michael rectenwald
Interestingly, there was a pulldown on Biden's approvability rating, which fell by 11% among Democrats.
So that's a good sign.
So it went from 86% to 75%.
86 to 75 percent and for Arab Americans it fell like from like 58 to 17 percent in a matter of
weeks. So interestingly there is a divide in the population in terms of support for Biden
because you know I mean a lot of the left doesn't want this conflict.
Now, they are hypocrites, because they were fully in support of the Ukraine war, and the right is also hypocritical, because now they're in support of this war in Israel, but they weren't in support of the war in Ukraine.
And also, in hindsight, they oppose the Iraqi war.
Isn't that convenient?
tim pool
I want to pull up this story.
We got this from the Wall Street Journal.
Israeli airstrike hits Jabalia refugee camp and forces extend their advance into Gaza Strip.
We have live updates.
Apartment buildings were flattened in the strikes.
Egypt said it would defend its territory but take in wounded Palestinians.
So I think we have a clip from CNN that I'll play for you.
Basically this is from Ahmad Eldin.
He says, Wolf Blitzer, you knew that there were innocent civilians in the refugee camp, right?
IDF spokesperson says this is a tragedy of war.
Let me just play the clips.
I don't want anything being taken out of context for you guys.
So we'll just, uh, we'll play this clip for you now.
wolf blitzer
But even if that Hamas commander was there amidst all those Palestinian refugees who are in that, in that Jabalia refugee camp, Israel still went ahead and dropped a bomb there attempting to kill this Hamas, uh, this Hamas commander, knowing that a lot of innocent civilians, men, women, and children presumably would be killed.
Is that what I'm hearing?
unidentified
That's not what you're hearing, Wolf.
We, again, we're focused on this commander.
wolf blitzer
Again, you'll get more data who this man was.
He killed many, many Israelis.
unidentified
We're doing everything we can.
It's a very complicated battle space.
There could be infrastructure there.
wolf blitzer
There could be tunnels there.
unidentified
We're still looking into it, and we'll give you more data as the hour moves ahead.
wolf blitzer
But you know that there are a lot of refugees, a lot of innocent civilians, men, women, and children in that refugee camp as well, right?
This is the tragedy of War Wolf.
phil labonte
I mean, we... Wow.
unidentified
As you know, we've been saying for days, move south.
Civilians that are not involved with Hamas, please move south.
wolf blitzer
I'm just trying to get a little bit more information.
You knew there were civilians there, you knew there were refugees, all sorts of refugees, but you decided to still drop a bomb on that refugee camp attempting to kill the Hamas commander.
By the way, was he killed?
unidentified
I can't confirm yet.
tim pool
I mean, Wolf should have just let him answer the question, then he just jumped to another one.
We get the point.
Israel says they carried out an airstrike that Hamas claimed killed more than 50 people in Gaza's Jabali refugee camp, dozens of bodies.
Here's my issue with this.
I don't know about the hospital, frankly.
damning. But Hamas lied about the hospital and many on the left,
pro-Palestinian groups and left, lied about the hospital.
So when stories like this come out what am I supposed to do? I don't know about
michael rectenwald
the hospital frankly.
I'm not sure that the story has really been debunked. Well it has.
tim pool
They claim the hospital was leveled and 500 people were killed.
michael rectenwald
Okay, well the hospital wasn't leveled, they hit the parking lot.
tim pool
Yup, and it may have been a couple dozen injured with a certain number of deaths, we don't know.
michael rectenwald
But there's been other hospitals hit, and they've told them to get out of the other hospitals.
They've said, evacuate these hospitals.
Then they tell them they're gonna bomb the north, so move south, while they're bombing the south.
This is unbelievable.
So there's nowhere for these people to go.
They're shooting fish in a barrel, and they've got them trapped there in a virtual concentration camp.
I'm sorry if that sounds like leftist rhetoric, but these people are in a walled area.
No exit.
No exit.
tim pool
What do we do?
unidentified
Nothing?
tim pool
Should the U.S.
just back away?
michael rectenwald
First of all, the U.N.
had a movement to have a ceasefire, and we were one of, like, seven countries that refused to go along with it.
tim pool
Hillary Clinton is very anti-ceasefire.
phil labonte
There was a ceasefire when Hamas initiated the terrorist attack, like, three weeks ago.
There was a ceasefire between Gaza and Israel.
Then Hamas broke the ceasefire.
That's what started this whole shindig that's going on now.
michael rectenwald
It's very typical.
You know, listen, I'm not going to adjudicate the whole history of the region, but there's no way October 7th is the beginning of this.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
That's why I'm kind of like, I got a really good idea, you guys.
We should not be involved.
michael rectenwald
Exactly.
tim pool
It's like, there's a very serious fight happening between two of your neighbors, and people keep asking you whose side you're on, and I'm like, bro, I don't live there, I don't know what's going on, and they're like, yeah, well, you know your kid, your dad is giving weapons to one of your neighbors, and you're like, maybe we shouldn't be doing that!
phil labonte
I don't think that there's actually any good answer for the United States at all.
Because I don't think that we should give any money, I don't think we should be funding, I don't think we should in any way be involved in it.
But I also don't think that if we do what is the right thing for the United States, which is not fund it, not give any money, not support, we're still going to be implicated and we're still going to be attacked.
Even if we're not dealing with actual terror attacks, we're still going to be considered the evil Satan that supports Israel and whatever, just because of our history.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't help that we bombed Iraq under a completely false pretext, killed hundreds of thousands of people, and created millions of refugees.
brett dasovic
Any amount of backpedaling now, if we were to just suddenly start backing away from any funding of war, would make us look like the ultimate hypocrites.
tim pool
I don't think so.
Look, Trump gets elected.
brett dasovic
To them, to the people on the other side, if you're talking about the people in Gaza or Hamas, they're going to look at us as hypocrites anyway.
phil labonte
See, I just strongly feel this is an anti-Western movement.
The reason, so the Palestinians that are on the ground in, you know, in Israel or in Gaza or whatever, they hate the Israelis because they have that direct, actual situation.
They're fighting them, they're being oppressed by the Israelis, and that's the situation for them.
The broader context, where you're talking about the region and other countries, sometimes Western countries, the people that are They're pro-Palestine and against the Israelis.
They're more about being against the West more broadly.
They're against Western society.
They tend to not be supportive of democracies.
They want more authoritarian-type governments.
I'm not saying that I have an answer.
michael rectenwald
If the West lived up to its proclaimed values, perhaps they wouldn't feel that way.
brett dasovic
Colleges have kind of implicated that to them.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
And I mean, go further down to TikTok and all these other ways in which kids get this messaging now.
Like, I don't know how much of that would even matter now.
I do agree.
Like, I don't think we should be funding any side of it, but I think that what it's created for me is what I call, I mean, like it's post-concern.
It's like a post-concern attitude where it's like, there's so much information There's so much propaganda.
There's so much coming out from every side in a part of the world that I inherently have nothing to do with other than my government's continued intrusion in other people's business.
What am I?
What am I as an American citizen whose taxes are going to fund all this?
What am I actually supposed to do in this situation?
You're telling me I have to care about this side.
They're telling me I have to care about this side.
I'm not allowed to care about the people here, apparently.
That's the only people you're not allowed to care about.
tim pool
Hold on.
brett dasovic
Which people?
Americans.
People actually living here now.
How about the people in Hawaii?
How about the people in any of the things that have gone on here in the last several years?
Helping trim down the debt in this country.
All of the things that we have to worry about stateside before we go and start getting back re-involved in other countries.
michael rectenwald
We might revolt against the fact that they're robbing us to do this.
I mean, they're robbing the American public, the American taxpayer, to fund these wars.
tim pool
I think Trump was one of the first attempts of people saying, we will rationally decide this man will enact many of these things.
And now things are getting pretty tense with the machine's desperate attempts to keep Trump out of office.
I mean, it's crazy when we have Scott Horton, of all people, being like, Trump tried getting our troops out and they lied to us!
michael rectenwald
He tells the truth about those matters.
But Trump wasn't some, you know, savior.
I mean, he killed Soleimani for, you know, and that could have instigated some conflict with Iran.
Imagine if Iran had killed one of our major generals.
I mean, this would have drawn us into war.
The only reason they didn't get drawn into war is because we have a greater force.
But that's not the way the United States should be acting across the planet.
We ought to be the beacon on the hill in the sense that we are a free people, that people admire, that trades with other countries is cooperative and peaceful.
This would actually promote peace worldwide.
brett dasovic
It is true, Phil, that what you said about it being an anti-American movement.
Did you see the infographic meme the other day?
It says, Free Palestine is a queer movement.
Free Palestine is... Okay, that's at the heart of it.
It's an anti-Western, anti-democracy movement more than anything else.
It's not that they support or love Palestine or Gaza.
It's that they love the fact that it puts the West between a rock and a hard place in dealing with the con.
phil labonte
Because there is, and you're right, because there is no good policy that's going to make the United States look good.
I personally, like I've said over and over, we shouldn't be involved, we shouldn't have troops over there, we shouldn't be spending money on it, we shouldn't be funding it.
Israel can fight its own war.
I 100% believe that, but that doesn't mean that if that were the course of action that the United States took, that the rest of the world would be like, oh, cool, the United States is doing the right thing or the good thing.
There are still going to be people that are going to say, oh, the West is bad, America's bad, democracy bad, liberalism bad.
michael rectenwald
I mean, when you try to export democracy with bombs like we did in Iraq, of course people are going to be skeptical about what is this democracy you're talking about.
phil labonte
I agree, and I just don't think that it's limited to the Middle East.
I think that there is an anti-Western, anti-liberal movement that is pretty global.
michael rectenwald
I think there's an anti-liberal movement in the United States.
I don't think there are any liberals left.
phil labonte
I agree.
michael rectenwald
We're looking at an illiberal left, effectively, but there's no liberalism here.
tim pool
There are.
It's just they're the post liberals.
They're the disaffected liberals.
brett dasovic
The funny part is, is like in what I do, like talking about movies, celebrities, Hollywood and pop culture, you see this right now because a bunch of celebrities try to make a post that makes everybody happy, and they can't make anyone happy.
And this is the first time they haven't been given a clear marching order about who the good guys and who the
bad guys are when they write their virtue signaling letters, everyone gets mad at them from every side.
And I think that the people that are inherently anti-American and anti-Western love that about this.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think you see the people that only understand the wave tops of the movement,
those are the people that are shocked when they are kind of learning what decolonization means,
and that it's a violent revolution that's being endorsed.
And they're shocked, they're like, wait a minute, I don't want to see people getting their heads cut off, I don't want to see people's businesses and lives being destroyed.
Well, that's what decolonization is.
michael rectenwald
If we could jump back to the China thing, what are we doing with reference to China that's weakening us?
Well, we're doing all kinds of things.
We're instituting a deindustrialization campaign in the West, with the ESG and the stakeholder capitalism, which is about eroding our industrial base, supposedly to mitigate so-called climate change and greenhouse gas emissions.
And this is favoring China.
That's something that we're doing to ourselves, It's a self-inflicted wound, it's suicidal in effect.
We're taking our industries and we're saying you can't burn fossil fuels and we must use this ESG to force all these companies into this regime while China then gains all this power and wealth on the back end because they're not doing it.
tim pool
So let me pull up this story.
This is from the Wall Street Journal as well.
It's actually just below the other one.
Israel goes unnamed on China online maps.
So a lot of people noticed that two big companies, you've got Alibaba and I believe Baidu, have removed Israel from their maps.
That is to say...
This is the CCP.
There's no private sector in China that just, at the same time, decides, hey, we're doing this thing.
It looks like the Chinese Communist Party has said there is no Israel now.
So the concern here, there's been a bunch of reporting, or I should say opinions and analysis, suggesting this shows China is gearing up to join this on the side of Palestine.
michael rectenwald
It's possible.
I mean, they're saying Israel doesn't exist on their map.
China is a totalitarian state, and they institute their measures without any kind of consent.
There's no question about it.
So I'm not surprised that they would do this.
I don't necessarily think it means that they're going to intervene right now.
No, but it's a definite... I mean, look at BRICS, right?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
China is absolutely in partnership with Iran, and this is the fear.
World War III is NATO versus BRICS.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, it doesn't have to be World War III.
You know, look, BRICS could be actually something that's good in the sense that if we open up our own trade, then we could probably be part of this, and we don't have to disband our affiliations and our trade associations as we're doing right now.
The conflicts that we're creating and really escalating are actually causing these rifts.
Okay, because, like, when we sent arms to Ukraine, and I think even though, you know, you said the Ukraine war is dying down, I bet you that 64 billion is still going over there.
tim pool
Being stolen by somebody.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
Gonna find its way into the pockets of Biden, perhaps.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
Again, I should say.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, there's no question there's corruption here.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, hopefully it doesn't become World War III, I suppose.
michael rectenwald
I hope not.
tim pool
But what we're seeing now from China is like the first red flag where I think we should be concerned, like, guys, we need this to turn down.
And so I'm now, especially with this bombing of the refugee camp, I see a lot of people, I see Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton had a statement recently where she was like, a ceasefire, you know, Israel's being attacked and you want a ceasefire, but Hamas is not going to give it.
And, you know, anytime Hillary Clinton says something, I'm like, the opposite must be true.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
So she comes out and she's like, we can't have a ceasefire, and I'm like, maybe we need a ceasefire.
michael rectenwald
We need barometers like that out there.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
And you know, it's like, I was hanging out in a poker room, we were talking about Jim Cramer.
Because I can't remember what came up, something about it's gonna snow, the farmer's almanac, and then someone mentioned tracking stocks, and I was like, oh yeah, if you short anything Kramer says, you're gonna be up.
And this one guy was actually, yeah, I think it's up 14%.
If you bought, if you shorted everything he told you to buy, you're up 14% so far for the year.
Tremendous, tremendous.
But anyway, my point is, Hillary Clinton says, no, we can't do it, we need war, and I'm kind of like, All right, let's figure out this peace solution.
And I think it's fair to say that, like, I agree.
Hamas attacked Israel, killed civilians.
And there's two ways to look at this.
One way is Israel is going to be taking out Hamas leaders.
I think if someone comes at you and attacks your family, you defend yourself and you stop the threat.
The problem now is, especially with the bombing of this refugee camp and the dead civilians, the collateral damage is becoming too great.
And so I actually, I agree with AOC.
I think AOC had a better answer than Hillary.
She said, a ceasefire goes both ways.
We want Hamas to stop.
And we want Israel, she effectively said, Hamas needs to stop firing rockets at Israel and Israel should go in and assassinate Hamas leaders.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, absolutely.
Look, if some cartel members from Mexico came into the United States and, you know, very conspicuously killed 1,400 people, Okay?
We would not bomb Mexico, okay?
We should use intelligence assets to find those people and bring them to justice, not to bomb these civilians.
So Israel's turning the world against them.
I mean, look at all the countries that are lined up now that wanted a ceasefire, and how many countries across the globe are condemning Israel right now?
I mean, it's almost unanimous.
There's only a few holdouts.
tim pool
You know, what's interesting about this conflict is that this is... We are at the red... How do you describe it?
The threshold of Western sensibilities in warfare.
If you go back 200... Let's go back 300 years.
300 years.
And I think y'all are gonna know the answer to this.
What would Nation A do to the people who were conquered of that land?
What would be happening if it was 300 years ago?
michael rectenwald
That's a good question.
I think what happens- I think it's fairly obvious.
What?
tim pool
I think if it was 300 years ago, and we were looking at Israel passing as it was today,
with the power of Israel and what Hamas is doing, the Israelis would go in and shove everyone in the ocean
and just mass purge and kill everybody.
I shouldn't say that absolutely, because there are many circumstances where countries did not do this.
But the issue is, as we advance as moral, civilized people, we are like, hey, we don't think it's good to just go and just kill everybody.
But during the colonial period, a lot of that.
And so now, this is what's interesting.
You've got the left claiming that Israel are the colonizers, and they must be resisted with decolonizing things like that.
And if they really were the colonizers that the left is claiming they are, the colonizers of, you know, of yore, it would be merciless.
It would be brutal.
michael rectenwald
You don't think it's merciless and brutal right now?
tim pool
I think, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
If you're saying today's brutal, then we need a new word for how brutal it would be if this was 300 years ago.
michael rectenwald
Three hundred years ago there were colonists in Africa.
They didn't wipe everybody out.
tim pool
What they did is force... No, but we're talking about if we, three hundred years ago, had something akin to Gaza and Hamas and Israel, and a bunch of people stormed into the borders of a settlement and massacred fourteen hundred people, the response from the more powerful nation would be a purge of everyone.
michael rectenwald
I want to qualify something about the fourteen hundred, by the way.
There's pretty good evidence that the IDF actually killed some of these people.
Now, I'm not saying this is not Hamas's fault, and I'm not exonerating Hamas, but they bombed houses that they thought people were being held hostage by terrorists.
They bombed people, they shot people on the street.
So, I mean, there's a good number that were taken out by the IDF.
And those charred bodies that you saw in the media, that is not possible vis-a-vis... Do you have a source I can pull up for that?
I've read it in five different places, Tim.
tim pool
I mean, those are serious claims.
I've not seen that.
Did you say that Israel blew up their own villages?
michael rectenwald
They blew up houses in which they suspected the terrorists were holding hostages.
tim pool
But you need to know your sources on that one.
michael rectenwald
Look at Middle East Eye.
tim pool
We'll try and pull something like that up.
michael rectenwald
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
I don't know how, uh...
Yeah, I don't know.
I...
tim pool
That's a bold claim.
michael rectenwald
Even some of the IDF forces said, we didn't know what we were shooting at.
We didn't know, and we just started shooting randomly.
We didn't know what to do.
Because they were so disorganized.
Now, I would admit, and it's very true, that the Moss caused a great deal of confusion and threw the whole IDF into a complete quandary.
They didn't know what was going on.
And so they actually committed some acts of violence against, inadvertently, their own people.
tim pool
You see, this is why I don't go anywhere near that.
I think that's not true.
I think what you're saying is false.
michael rectenwald
Okay, I'll have to follow up with that.
tim pool
So this is the issue I take with the Israel-Palestine conflict, is all the lies and misinformation that are spread.
All the time.
michael rectenwald
Where do you suspect?
tim pool
I've heard nothing about Israel bombing its own villages.
michael rectenwald
No, not whole villages.
I did not say that.
tim pool
It's houses in villages.
I'm not saying they blew up a whole village.
michael rectenwald
It accidentally shot people on the street.
tim pool
And that just sounds like lies.
michael rectenwald
And bombed cars where the charred bodies were found.
This is not possible.
tim pool
I don't believe it.
michael rectenwald
Okay.
Let me ask you this, Tim.
tim pool
I'm not saying it's not possible.
michael rectenwald
What would you think is more likely, the more powerful propaganda, that what's being told by the mainstream media and coming out of Israel, that these are the truths, or would you think that it's more possible that the propaganda is coming from the more dominant forces?
tim pool
Propaganda is coming from both.
However, the left has a very strong predisposition towards manipulation and lies and deceit.
michael rectenwald
Well, I'm not a leftist.
unidentified
No, I know.
tim pool
And so, the issue is, you don't have to be a leftist to fall for leftist propaganda.
We debated the hospital bombing on this show believing, and we should not have, Because Hamas made a claim and it wasn't true and now we know it's not true because video emerged the next day showing the parking lot.
michael rectenwald
I think it's that's kind of it's frankly that it's it's really a mood point because of all the civilians they have bombed.
They are killing children.
You know more children were killed in three months or three weeks.
I'm sorry three weeks.
This year, that have been killed in all wars, from 2019 to now, in each year there were like 2,000 children killed, roughly, 2019, 20, 21, 22.
In this three weeks, they've killed over 3,000 people.
tim pool
This is why I just say, why are we involved?
Because I don't know why we're arguing the morality of two factions fighting a war, and what the justification is for arguing at all that either side is better or worse.
michael rectenwald
I agree.
Listen, I'm not saying there's any good guys here, okay?
And I did read that claim in a few sources, and I don't have the exact source on the tip of my tongue, but let me just say this.
It's really immaterial, because you're right.
We don't need to find the good guy and exonerate one side over the other.
That's not the issue.
I just don't see that... And that includes Israel, by the way, because I think that what they're doing, if they have a superior morality to the people that they're killing, then why haven't they shown it?
phil labonte
Well, I don't think that there's a situation where the United States is going to be able to come to a policy position that's going to make anyone happy.
michael rectenwald
Well, it's not going to be utopia, but it's got to be better than what we've been doing.
phil labonte
I don't know that I believe that.
And again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't try or that we should fund it.
Every time I talk, I have to put this caveat because people are going to start saying, oh, you're just pro-Israel or whatever, but that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying that I don't think that whatever course of action the United States takes is going to be sufficient or have a substantive We have a lot of history that we, frankly, are besmirched with, and that would take years to actually dissipate.
michael rectenwald
We can't take back the fact of what we did in Iraq.
phil labonte
You're right, but the tumultuous Middle East goes back to the birth of our country.
The reason we have the Marine Corps is because of the Barbary pirates off the coast of North Africa.
That area is a shitshow, and it's always been an absolute mess.
So the United States can, we can do our best to stay out of the political issues and tribal warfare that happens in the Middle East, but I don't know that whatever course of action we take, it doesn't matter about like as much as This is not condoning the Iraq war, but the Iraq war is not why the people in the Middle East hate us.
That's not the reason.
michael rectenwald
It's not THE reason, but it's one of them.
phil labonte
It's not that we built bases in Saudi Arabia.
It's not that Israel exists.
It's been that way forever.
michael rectenwald
Well, I mean, according to Iraq, they attacked Kuwait the first time because of our bases in Kuwait.
phil labonte
Because the bases in Kuwait, and that was the reason for 9-11 as well, is because the bases in the Holy Land, they looked at it like the United States was conquering a part of Saudi Arabia, and I understand that.
michael rectenwald
Our footprint is too broad.
That's the problem.
So yeah, it'll take a while to wash off the The dirt that we've been involved in, but you know, there's no time like the present to start.
phil labonte
Again, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't.
What I'm saying is even if we take, I think that even if we take the course of action that you believe is the, or that libertarians believe is right, and I support it.
michael rectenwald
Not all libertarians, but I do.
phil labonte
And I support that course of action.
I believe that that would be a good policy, but I don't think that that fixes the problems.
I think it's naive to think that that will solve problems eventually.
I think that it's going to be a mess over there.
tim pool
I want to pull up this video.
We have this from Clown World, and this is nothing unique.
It's just another one of these videos where we have far leftists tearing down posters for the people who are kidnapped and being held hostage.
There's a bunch of these videos.
There's another video where a guy puts up a flyer for a Thai farmer, not even an Israeli citizen, a guy who is just working in Israel who was kidnapped, and this Asian woman basically, in front of him, tears down his flyer, his property, destroys it, and then basically tells him to screw off.
I see these people and what they're doing.
This is evil.
This is malicious, intentional evil.
These people think they're justified in causing harm, chaos, and destruction, and so this is the challenge I see when it comes to... I don't care to get into the history of the region.
We just talk about literally October 7th.
You have people glide in, kill a bunch of civilians.
Max Blumenthal said it's because they see civilians as targets of opportunity.
I'm sorry, specifically, the music festival was a target of opportunity, and they target civilians to use bargaining chips against the Israeli government.
I'm like, oh, okay, so they're evil.
That's it, right?
Evil.
And what's that you say?
The US has done really horrible things in the Middle East?
Hey, I never said we were the good guys.
I'm saying right now we've got a crisis.
And what happens is you see these people in New York City.
Defending Hamas, cheering on Hamas, celebrating it.
They're now in the United States.
They're in the West.
There was this massive protest in London.
This is why I don't believe anything they say.
michael rectenwald
I understand what you're saying and let's talk about that story and what's going on there.
What is that being done?
What's being done here with this imagery?
This is despicable what these people are doing, okay?
But why has this become news?
This has become news because it serves as a deflection.
It serves as a deflection.
It says instead of being angry about what's going on in the Gaza Strip, what's happening to people dying, instead we're diverted into this particular You know, a despicable act that takes the pressure off of Israel, in effect.
This works as propaganda.
tim pool
But you know why this imagery is important?
michael rectenwald
I think it's very important, but what are they doing with it?
tim pool
That's the question.
These people, given the chance, would kill you in your sleep.
michael rectenwald
I don't know that.
unidentified
I mean, listen, I'm not sure... What does decolonize mean?
michael rectenwald
It means get rid of the colonizers.
tim pool
And how do you do that?
Well, I mean... Let's talk about what from the river to the sea means.
michael rectenwald
Well, I agree with that.
That's nonsense rhetoric, and I certainly would never use it.
tim pool
I'm not saying you do.
I'm saying these people have an extremist ideology.
It is widespread in the West now.
And that's the point I was making about Israel, the clash of warfare and Western sensibilities.
We as Western liberal nations are like, we do not want to Like, wipe out an entire people.
We want to figure out how to stop the fighting, and then chill everybody the F out.
Their ideology is, from the river to the sea.
If you even just walk through what that means... It's horrendous.
michael rectenwald
They're talking about genocide, but I mean, they're not capable of executing it.
tim pool
So the issue then becomes, Western sensibilities would say, act in such a way that allows them to persist, The people who would kill you in your sleep.
michael rectenwald
That's the liberal paradox.
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
That's the clash of Western sensibilities with modern warfare.
If it were inversed and the Israelis were in the Gaza Strip, there is no question they would be shoved into the ocean and mass executed by the Palestinians.
michael rectenwald
That's the Golda Meir point.
But I mean, look, I don't know about that.
I guess we're going to have to adjudicate the history in a little bit.
tim pool
I'm not here to talk about the history of the region.
We'll remove Israel-Palestine from this.
If far-leftists like this are given power, we see what they do with it.
They kill people.
michael rectenwald
Well, they do more than that.
tim pool
They kill and torture.
michael rectenwald
They're totalitarians at base.
It's intrinsic to leftist ideology.
This is what they did in the Soviet Union.
Once they gain power, leftists are totalitarian.
They're for free speech, they're for all this when they're aspirant, but once they gain power, they become like, you know, Lenin and Stalin.
unidentified
Right.
brett dasovic
Even then, it's not even necessarily that they're for free speech.
The liberals are for free speech.
I don't know if I would even bother.
michael rectenwald
I don't know if there are any liberals.
Where are the liberals?
tim pool
Well, we're here, I guess.
michael rectenwald
Yes, I guess.
tim pool
Classical liberal.
But my point is this.
To sort of move on from the broad, topical Israel-Palestine, but more into the philosophical and ideological, We are confronted by right now, actually we can maybe pull this up in a little bit, Elon Musk saying the woke mind virus is destroying civilization.
You take a look at San Francisco, we'll go into details on the Joe Rogan podcast, but you take a look at what the woke left represents and what do you see?
16 year olds chanting from the river to the sea.
They don't know, they don't care, but they will do it.
michael rectenwald
Well, look, I admit, and that's why I'm involved in this, and this is why I was asked to be a candidate, because I have been involved in cultural issues, and this is a cultural war.
We must fight in the battle of ideas.
tim pool
My bigger question is, how do you win against a group of people who you know want you dead?
When you, as a faction, try to preserve life.
michael rectenwald
They have to be deprogrammed, frankly.
They have to be deprogrammed.
That's not easy, but it's possible.
brett dasovic
Almost impossible in this day and age.
In the age of the internet, when you cannot get them away from a phone, when you cannot actually get them out of the environment that's used.
It's not just the colleges.
It's not just the high schools.
It's not just the elementary schools.
tim pool
It's everything they're getting on their I don't think there's a liberal solution.
Because in order to get someone to leave a cult, you have to remove them from the cult.
michael rectenwald
I gotta say it happened to me, Tim.
I mentioned at the beginning of the show, I used to be a Marxist.
You know what did it for me?
I was traumatized by them.
And that caused my eyes to open.
Once I was traumatized by the left, I then said, this is a totalitarian contention that I want nothing further to do with at all.
And I instantly became a civil libertarian.
This can happen.
The left eats its own, but not quite fast enough.
phil labonte
I think that the terror attack on the 7th did a lot to wake a lot of Jewish liberals up or A lot of liberals in general.
brett dasovic
Liberals in general.
I've had several people who were very much BLM in 2020, who started to at least, I don't know if they were just getting their news from different sources, but saw the stuff that Patrisse Cullors said back in 2015, who are now seeing that what you were sold in those early years in 2020, which everyone told you said, this is not what it is.
Look at what their website says.
Look at what all this information says.
They weren't willing to listen.
They were too filled with emotion at that time.
phil labonte
And because it was scary.
The consequences of saying, I am not for Black Lives Matter, you know, in 2020, if you were not a staunch conservative that had people around you that would support that and that also agreed with you, you are not And this is true, this happened with COVID of course as well.
michael rectenwald
These people effectively become state agents.
These people that are walking around telling, get the mask on, and they're actually corralling you into the state's propaganda and its narrative.
tim pool
They have these programs where, this is like 10-15 years ago, a company would ask you to go out and write down license plate numbers and where you saw them.
So that the state and private companies could track down the people and know where they were.
Mass surveillance, essentially.
Snitch on your neighbors.
But here's the scary thing.
They don't need it anymore.
Nope.
Because now you're carrying around a tracking device everywhere you go.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, you are.
tim pool
So the main issue I see with this is these videos of them tearing down the poster I think are extremely important.
The reaction from the left cheering on Hamas, even right now these mass protests in New York, and I say cheering on Hamas, I quite literally mean it!
I am not being cute and conflating Palestine with Hamas.
They're in New York bullhorning in support of Hamas, calling them the resistance fighters
who fired X amount of rockets and killed X amount of settlers.
They say settlers are not civilians.
How do you, I mean, is it, this is the challenge.
How do you deprogram someone when you cannot isolate them from the information?
The challenge we face as people who believe in, you know, civil libertarian values,
the right of free speech is that, okay, on a platform like X or on Facebook or YouTube,
we're gonna let everybody speak.
What happens?
Silos emerge of far-left extremism.
We allow that to happen.
Then, within that sphere, they start spreading, oppressing, and crushing their opponents, gaining more and more power, and silencing the rest of us.
If we allow them the platform, they'll use it to destroy us.
They will not allow us the platform.
So we have set ourselves up in a downward slope, as it were, where it seems... And this is why, again, Elon Musk, we'll pull that up in a second, why he bought Twitter, to reverse this process.
But how do you de... Like, the answer to deprogramming these people?
Ban TikTok.
There you go.
Ban TikTok, regulate the algorithms, and mandate American ideas.
unidentified
Who does that?
tim pool
Exactly.
You can't.
brett dasovic
Am I supposed to expect that the U.S.
government is going to do that?
I don't want the U.S.
government doing that either.
tim pool
So the problem is, what would need to happen is an organic, pro-American, OG ideological faction Canceling people and saying, this is the way we do things, and if you are a communist or a fascist, we don't sell to you, we don't welcome you in our stores.
michael rectenwald
This is very much of a tradition within libertarianism, it's kind of a joke, you know, physical removal of communists from our midst.
Let's get back to the technology aspect, if we can.
The problem is not just that these people are cultivated in these echo chambers, that until Musk bought Twitter, and I think Musk is kind of a black swan right now, until he bought Twitter, the whole big digital social media and search was all dominated by leftism, all the way down the line.
Google, for example.
brett dasovic
Try de-googling your phone.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Actually, let me pull the clip up from Elon, and then we'll carry on.
Charlie Kirk has this tweet.
A year after Elon Musk bought Twitter, he finally explains why.
He says that the niche ideology that turned San Francisco into a zombie apocalypse would historically be geographically isolated, and the fallout would therefore be limited.
But Twitter gave that philosophy an information technology weapon, which it could use to spread that mind virus to the whole planet unopposed.
In order for the mind virus to propagate, it must suppress opposing viewpoints.
Rogan says, because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and Musk says, correct.
I'll just play the clip for you, it's two minutes long.
unidentified
You've owned X for a year now.
brett dasovic
It's a costume.
unidentified
Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and have a dream that you didn't do it?
And your life is infinitely easier?
elon musk
Well, it's certainly a recipe for trouble, I suppose.
Contention.
unidentified
What was it ultimately that led you to make the decision to do it?
elon musk
I mean this is going to sound somewhat melodramatic, but I was worried about
that it was having a corrosive effect on civilization.
and I'll see you next time.
That it was just having a bad impact.
tim pool
It still is.
elon musk
I think part of it is that it's where it was located, which is downtown San Francisco.
And while I think San Francisco is a beautiful city, and we should really fight hard to kind of right the ship of San Francisco, if you've walked around downtown San Francisco, right near the ex-FKA Twitter headquarters, it's a zombie apocalypse.
I mean, it's rough.
Have you been in that area?
unidentified
Not lately.
elon musk
No.
unidentified
I've heard.
elon musk
It's crazy.
unidentified
I've heard it's crazy.
I've heard you really can't believe it until you actually go there.
elon musk
You can't believe it until you go there.
So, now you have to say, well, what philosophy led to that outcome?
And that philosophy was being piped to Earth.
So, you know, a philosophy that would be ordinarily quite niche and geographically constrained, so that the fallout area would be limited, was effectively given an information A weapon.
An information technology weapon to propagate what is essentially a mind virus to the rest of Earth.
And the outcome of that mind virus is very clear if you walk around the streets of downtown San Francisco.
tim pool
So, I mean, really, he hits the nail on the head.
If you look at San Francisco, the human feces everywhere, the ridiculous real estate prices, it's a wasteland of failed policy.
But because so much information control was centralized there, information systems, it was piping that, I would call it like fecal data, the equivalent of feces in data form into the brains of people.
It was just melting their brains and tainting them with the mind virus.
You look at San Francisco and you can see that ideology is and has been popping up all over this country.
Elon is trying to shut down.
I still think he's got a long way to go.
brett dasovic
Beyond that, there's also just failed governmental policy that plays a huge role in that.
If we're looking at DAs who aren't prosecuting violent crime, people who are like... I'd actually be interested to know what your position is as a libertarian.
tim pool
But the policy is because of social media.
unidentified
It's the ideology that spread.
tim pool
It was the free speech wing of the Free Speech Party, and then it turned into a campus safe space for a bunch of whiny baby millennials.
michael rectenwald
But look at who's opposing Elon Musk now.
He's gotten a lot of pushback from the woke cartel, as I call it.
And one of the major pushbacks he's getting is from the ADL.
I mean, he had to sue them because they really wrecked his business in the beginning, ruining his advertising base, pulling all these advertisers out.
Now, what is that about?
So we're looking at this mind virus is in the establishment, and it includes trying to squelch speech, and it includes critical discourse about some very serious issues.
brett dasovic
And groups like the ADL that have all of this kind of power in the system because they're automatically perceived by anyone who isn't aware of what's going on as a net force for positive good in the world, when we know that it's been weaponized time and time again against various people who just happen to have ideas that they disagree with.
tim pool
So you were a leftist professor?
michael rectenwald
Yes, I was.
tim pool
And you broke out of this because you said the left traumatized you.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, they traumatized me.
What did they do?
They came after me.
They called you racist?
I started criticizing all this social justice woke stuff on campus.
For example, the no-platforming, the bias-reporting hotline, that was a big one.
They instituted this reporting spy system in which the students could report on you
for making a woke infraction, what they call a bias infraction.
I thought it was like a Stasi state system.
I spoke up about it.
I would not put the phone number or the email address of this biased reporting hotline on my syllabi.
And then I was interviewed.
I started this Twitter account.
It's now been canceled before Elon took over, but I can't get it back.
It was called Anti-PC NYU Prof, and I started tweeting criticisms of all this.
From the standpoint of a professor at NYU was interviewed- And Twitter banned you?
Not yet.
Not yet.
They did ban it.
tim pool
They eventually banned this profile.
michael rectenwald
Yes, they did.
And I haven't been able to revive it even after Elon's takeover.
Then I did this interview and I criticized all this stuff publicly and within two days the dean calls me into the office, coerces me into a leave of absence, the diversity equity inclusion group condemns me, I get a bunch of blistering emails from faculty saying that I was alt-right, Nazi, short pants, white devil, all kinds of ludicrous things, racist, sexist, the whole nine yards.
tim pool
Anti-gay?
michael rectenwald
Now, today, I would just, you know what I'd write back is LOL.
But then, I actually cared what these people thought.
brett dasovic
Just remember, the people tearing down those photos of the Israelis would actually be the ones calling you a Nazi back then.
michael rectenwald
Probably.
brett dasovic
Yeah, they would.
tim pool
So at the time, what did you do?
You wrote an apology or something?
michael rectenwald
Oh, no.
No, I wrote Springtime for snowflakes, for one.
And I stood up to them.
And I eventually sued them.
I sued NYU and five professors that were libeling me all through the official NYU listservs.
And eventually they settled with me.
You know how I got them to settle?
You'll love this.
They filed a motion to dismiss the case, and my lawyers could not overtake this huge army of attorneys that NYU had.
So I invited Milo Yiannopoulos to speak in my classroom.
Listen to this, on Halloween itself, okay, and the topic of the talk was going to be how you're not allowed to wear a Halloween costume for one night, but you can change your gender by day.
Okay, that was the topic, and they shut it down.
Guess this?
De Blasio actually intervened and shut down my classroom himself.
unidentified
Whoa!
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
What did he do?
michael rectenwald
He called NYU and said this is too dangerous to take place.
Now of course we know the danger was coming from Antifa who actually put a target on my back and through Twitter were threatening to kill me.
unidentified
Wow.
brett dasovic
I've been told that Antifa is not even a real thing.
It's not even real.
michael rectenwald
Oh, it's just an idea.
brett dasovic
It's just an idea.
michael rectenwald
It's an idea that's in a lot of people's heads to make them act like Antifa.
brett dasovic
To what you said, though, like what you went through kind of circles the point of what you're saying.
It's like, if you push back, most people don't have the resources to go against groups like this, which have massive budgets, endowments, whole groups, you know, prodders of lawyers to back up.
michael rectenwald
And this has been probably the first I touched the third rail.
There was significant power behind that, and I realized at that point that this social justice, or what we now call wokeness, was really the power.
This was embedded in the power structure.
tim pool
If everybody who is currently facing a criminal proceeding pleaded not guilty, the system would collapse.
Yeah, the system relies on people taking plea bargains, and so that's why the system, in my view, is completely unconstitutional.
I refer to it as the jury tax or the trial tax, people call it different things.
The idea being that they will always say to you, Whatever it is you've committed, you're getting the maximum.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
You know, it's like, oh, you were speeding, that's, you know, you were going 20, you were going 30 over the limit, that's felony territory, you're getting a year in prison, and we're gonna make sure that when you're convicted, you get it, or plead guilty.
michael rectenwald
It accelerates the process, so they can funnel more people through.
tim pool
Because they don't, it's impossible to act, well, it's because nobody wants to do the work.
And so this is a huge failure of our system.
It's supposed to be difficult and expensive to make sure we uphold justice.
But you see we got a lot of people who don't want to deal with it, they're lazy, I don't know you, I don't care.
Used to be that if a cop stopped you, and I mean like early days of cops, people knew the cop in their neighborhood.
Or get a sheriff, you know, or a constable, I guess.
And they knew the people and social scrutiny played a role in whether or not they would be abusive.
brett dasovic
Most cops don't even live in the area.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And so when COVID happened and Attila's gym stayed open, the local cops said, have a nice day, everybody.
So they pulled in cops from a different city who said, we are now going to start putting the boot on your neck.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, this is why in my campaign is a promotion of localization and decentralization to wrest control from the central government vested in the people at the local level and then nullify unconstitutional laws and mandates that are coming down.
Yeah.
phil labonte
How many cabinet-level departments would you get rid of if you wanted to?
michael rectenwald
I get to the cabinet-level departments after I get rid of the IRS, the CIA, the ATF, the FBI, of course the Fed, etc.
The Fed is obviously the big monster, okay, but it's not as easy to get rid of as just go in and axe it.
You have to get an act of Congress.
But in the meanwhile, we can erode its power by promoting parallel currencies, Bitcoin, etc.
And that means you wrest the power away from this money monopolist, and you use currencies on your own in the local communities or across communities.
This erodes their power base as a monopolist.
phil labonte
I like this.
Endorsed.
michael rectenwald
Thank you.
tim pool
Well, all right.
michael rectenwald
Huh?
tim pool
I said, well, all right, then.
michael rectenwald
All right, then.
brett dasovic
You see all the memes have been going around for, like, all libertarians, dad libertarians on Halloween.
It says, like, me, it's a picture of Ron Paul says, when I implement the dad tax on my son's Halloween candy, and he slowly turns into Bernie Sanders.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's, uh, let's, uh, I guess we'll just talk about Ron DeSantis' boots again.
michael rectenwald
Those boots are made for walking, but not for DeSantis.
brett dasovic
Has this been happening every night or is it just the nights I'm on here?
It feels like every time I'm on we're talking about DeSantis' boots.
tim pool
Okay, well look, it's because Donald Trump has chimed in and said this is the kiss of death for Ron DeSantis.
And, uh, this, you know, look, Ashley St.
Clair, I'm, look, let me slow down.
You know how we have these really awesome quotes from the Founding Fathers?
And you'll, you'll like, look in a book, and you'll be like, reading about some crazy dude in the 16th century, and he'll say something like, the, the king hereby declare through divine providence means as much, uh, declarations of divine providence mean as much to me as the manure of a horse!
And you're like, wow, like, look how bold.
Now it's like, That was because when they wrote things down, it was rare.
They talked a lot of smack, but they rarely wrote things down.
unidentified
So when they did, they really thought them through.
tim pool
Now you're gonna have quotes from people in the history books that just like, I got some quotes for you, man.
Like if you go through my Twitter and pull up some of the quotes, people are gonna be like, What?
I posted a picture of a hairless rabbit once, for no reason!
And it's like, you couldn't imagine the Founding Fathers doing... I mean, you could, they would be silly sometimes, like Ben Franklin was known to have a sense of humor.
So now we're looking at the story about Rhonda Sanderson and his high heels.
Of course, he is absolutely, I think it's proven at this point, beyond a reasonable doubt, he's wearing high heels.
brett dasovic
He's been convicted in shoe court?
tim pool
In public court.
Well, because there's that video where he's walking and his foot doesn't exist.
It folds.
It folds straight in.
brett dasovic
Well, I saw the interview.
He says it was off-the-rack shoes.
tim pool
Yes, and who says that?
My point is this.
The history books are going to say, I don't know what date it was, but in October of 2023, Ashley St.
Clair posted a video making fun of the Ron DeSantis campaign and putting on thigh-high cowboy boots, which generated a response from Ron DeSantis' PR team.
This led to a larger conversation on the Tim Guest RL podcast, finally a statement from the frontrunner for the Republican Party on his rival wearing high-heeled boots.
This is what the history books are going to say.
unidentified
Unbelievable.
brett dasovic
We live in such an unserious time.
It's unbelievable.
It is unserious in a sense, yeah, but... It feels like a sitcom episode where, like, he's going around and they're like, you're wearing high heels.
Like, they're not heels, they're lips!
And he has to keep correcting people.
michael rectenwald
It's a dystopian dark comedy, though.
It is.
brett dasovic
I'm okay with it, though.
tim pool
Why didn't they stuff his boots?
Like, look at this picture.
Like, guys, take some toilet paper.
michael rectenwald
They're even too long.
Not only are they too high, they're too long.
What is this?
phil labonte
They're too long because his foot's pulled back on a lift.
tim pool
So, and then a lot of people pointing out when he said, uh, they're off the rack Lucchese boots.
People are like, who says off the rack?
serge du preez
No.
brett dasovic
He also said he hadn't seen the clip.
He's like, oh, I haven't seen this.
I'm like, you've seen this, bro.
tim pool
Don't lie to me.
Anyway, the point is Donald Trump chiming in.
And do we have the, I think the post-millennial, let me pull up the post-millennial's version because they, I think they actually have the statement from Donald Trump.
I guess the Daily Beast didn't have the statement.
They just mentioned that Donald Trump chimed in.
unidentified
I don't know, whatever.
tim pool
Let me see.
I think What do we got?
Here we go.
Trump campaign responds to boot-gate!
Calls it the kiss of death!
brett dasovic
Kellan is claiming boot-gate is his.
Kellan is claiming that that's his term, that he came up with boot-gate.
serge du preez
Kellan claims a lot of things.
tim pool
A scathing new article from Politico about Ron DeSanctimonious' high-heeled shoes comes on the heels of an embarrassing interview on the Patrick Bet-David show that led to boot-gate trending on X. When asked directly about why his boots look like stilts, DeSanctus offered up the implausible explanation That he just wears off-the-rack Lucchese boots doing major brand damage to a great American footwear company.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
michael rectenwald
That's some brand damage, alright.
tim pool
This is why Trump wins.
Against DeSantis at least.
Because that's the kind of funny statement, like a side joke where it's like you accuse DeSantis of besmirching the good name of Lucchese.
He says, if there's any enterprising journalist willing to contact the Lucchese press team for their thoughts on DeSantis, they're reachable here.
And then he lays to it.
In another moment of insanity, Ron offered up a laughable claim that he's 5'11".
Instead of telling the truth and just being comfortable in his own skin, he resorts to borderline psychotic behavior by lying to the American people.
Is that what this country wants in a president?
michael rectenwald
Okay, blah, blah, blah.
tim pool
How am I telling you?
It's Stephen Chung, Trump's spokesperson.
But I just want to say, I think Ron DeSantis is the dumbest politician I've seen in my life.
The dumbest.
Look, policy-wise, did some good stuff.
I'm now going to chalk it up to the Florida State Legislature, a large body of individuals, pushed forth a bunch of ideas, and Ron said, okay, sounds good, and he's getting all the credit for it.
Ron has got to be the dumbest guy in politics, because he's had every opportunity, after every single blunder and failure, he won't fire these guys.
He won't fire his PR team.
It's almost like he's doing it on purpose.
Maybe.
Ron's the smartest guy in politics, and I can't understand why it is he would destroy himself in this way.
Or he's just really, really dumb!
michael rectenwald
He's dumb.
But let's talk about how unfortunate it is that our political discourse has, and I don't want to come off as the pendant and the Former professor, etc, etc.
But look at the depth to which our discourse has sunk.
If we can't win in the realm of ideas, we have to resort to boots and boot gate.
tim pool
Look, it's Halloween.
This was the trending story this morning when I wake up.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
It's like 100,000 tweets, boot gate.
brett dasovic
It's accessible to everyone.
It is kind of what has turned politics into a bit of a spectator, team sport, which I admit that it's, is it necessarily the greatest thing for America as a whole?
No, but I have a lot of fun with it.
It doesn't bother me.
michael rectenwald
It's fun.
unidentified
I wish it was like a cartoon instead of reality.
phil labonte
Recently, Glenn Greenwald was on Jordan Peterson's podcast.
And one of the things that they were talking about was, People today, with the fact that religion became less important in communities and less important to Americans, people replaced religion with essentially what boils down to state worship.
It's not quite that, but that's essentially the effect.
And I think that's probably the biggest problem that we have in the U.S.
Now, I'm an agnostic.
I don't particularly have a religion that I'm more likely to be supportive of or whatever.
But I don't think that we have the option to not have a religion.
People think There's a lot of people that get it in their head that humans should just evolve past religion and they just don't have any idea that They don't have any idea how evolution works if they think because it takes an outside force for there to be evolution Religion is ubiquitous across humanity whether no matter what society you you you look at every society no matter how far they are
Apart in distance or in time, every society that has been created by human beings has had some kind of religion with it.
Religion is as inseparable from the human experience and from psychology as, I think, as humor or as any other interpersonal relationship.
It's probably a psychological phenomenon built to deal with having the motivation to keep us alive and at the same time...
Well, no, at the same time, dealing with the fact that we are finite and going to die.
tim pool
Real quick, I was thinking a lot about this earlier, and I was thinking about Kurt Cobain, and I was thinking about, who was I thinking about?
Just a bunch of musicians who've killed themselves.
And I was just like, how is it that someone like Kurt Cobain, okay, maybe it's not a good example because there's conspiracy theories around whether or not he actually killed himself, but there are many rock stars who, you know what I was thinking about?
I was thinking of Matthew Perry.
And he's found underwater in his hot tub, drowning, cardiac arrest, depends on the reports.
And a lot of people said, look man, this is a guy who did a lot of drugs in his day and was like pretty messed up and depressed for a while, right?
brett dasovic
Is that just... Yeah, and also hot tub with any heart condition is a no-go.
Not a good idea.
tim pool
So I started thinking this, like, how could you be on the show Friends, the biggest show, And like still one of the biggest shows ever.
How much were they making per episode?
It was like a million bucks.
More than that.
Yeah, several million dollars.
And then resort to doing drugs.
I'm like, how do you?
brett dasovic
That's the norm.
tim pool
No, no, no.
But I think I get it.
How come Elon Musk is the world's richest man and is not doing drugs and not drinking?
Purpose.
Exactly.
So if you're a regular dude, And you're funny.
And then someone says, would you like to be funny in my show?
And you're like, sure.
And every day you struggle.
Every day you're trying to figure out how to pay the bills.
Every day you're waking up figuring out how you're going to pay your rent.
And then one day someone says, make this joke on TV.
You do, boom!
Biggest show in the world.
All of a sudden, you have no struggle.
All of a sudden, you are loaded with cash, you have nothing to do, you don't have to worry for anything, and you've never had a strong purpose.
Your purpose has always been to survive, but now you don't have to.
Whereas Elon Musk's purpose is advance humanity in the ways he wants to.
So what's missing, I believe, it just roots down to one simple thing for many people, religion.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, and I think the point was made that statism has become a religion.
tim pool
And that's how they fight the depression.
Right.
You've got these young women that are chock full of crazy pills.
You know what the most irritating thing to me is?
When I hear like some millennial woman be like, he needs a Xanax or like, I took a Xanax.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
Stop doing these things!
Well, look, I'm not gonna tell you what to do.
Your doctor prescribes it.
You do what your doctor says.
But I'm just like, it's insane that people are like, well, Better take a mood stabilizer!
brett dasovic
Or they tell everybody else to get therapy, not realizing that it's not necessarily for everybody.
We've medicalized a lot of the world today.
To your point with actors, I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that they have a very dangerous combination of both insanely high egos and extremely sensitive personalities because the profession as a whole requires you to be very much vulnerable all the time.
Which leads to heavy drug use for a lot of them.
And I think that's true of a lot of what's going on in American culture right now.
There's a lot of depression.
There's a lot of sadness.
And people, it could be that they're not filling it with religion like they did in the past.
And the people that are filling it with what we would call now identity politics, or the state as a religion, are being fed an ideological means of hatred.
michael rectenwald
A state is a failed religion.
A statism is a failed religion.
It will not sustain you.
brett dasovic
Like, if we're talking about Marxists telling you, whoever told you, you've been raised to hate your country, you've been raised to hate people that see the world differently than you, while being told that they're oppressing you, even though that dude is as poor and as miserable as you are.
How is that not a world of depression and sadness?
phil labonte
And it gives you a sense of moral superiority.
Which is the most dangerous part.
It allows you to oppress people, to act violently, the whole punch a Nazi thing.
It's like as soon as the argument was it's acceptable to punch a Nazi, everybody became a Nazi because it was just whoever I want to punch is a Nazi.
That's the excuse.
So it gives people the excuse to behave terribly, to behave with aggression and malice towards other people and feel like they are They're doing the morally correct thing, and that's, I forget who it was, but someone quoted that that's the most delicious of psychological treats, to be able to abuse someone and feel like you're doing it as a good thing.
And if you look at the jihadis, the Islamic terrorists, that's what they all do.
They all believe that they are in the right, and if they beat the crap out of an infidel, God wanted them to, so that was a moral thing.
Throwing gay people off a building, it doesn't matter, because God wanted it.
You can be as atrocious to people that don't believe in your religion as you want, because God has said it.
And it's the same type of attitude from the Marxists in the far left when they're saying, oh well, beat the Nazis up.
michael rectenwald
Another thing about wokeness as a religion, it's, you know, unlike Christianity, there's no redemption under woke.
Right?
So if you're white and, you know, male, you're damned.
For eternity, there's no way out.
And, you know, going back to your point about religion, anthropologists have suggested that, you know, why religion is so durable is because it actually came at the same time as civilization, as we got into creation and, you know, creativity, innovation, etc.
It sprouted at that exact same moment.
So it's no surprise that it's so It's a recalcitrant for some, or otherwise you might say it's a kind of permanent part of human life.
brett dasovic
And I'm agnostic as well, but imagine the hubris of just now in this time period feeling like you found the answer that every generation in the past didn't need.
phil labonte
The atheist movement in the early 2010s probably did more damage to America than... It's exhausting.
tim pool
I do love these, like, 18-year-old leftists who think they've discovered universal truth that no one else has ever thought of and, like, they just have not read any philosophers.
serge du preez
Yeah, I was 18 for once, too.
brett dasovic
I think a lot of it is, like, in the age of the internet, The ease of access to information, and this is something that I think we're all, at least somebody like me is guilty of as well, and I have to put myself in check.
Knowing something isn't the same thing as understanding it.
And you have access to a lot of information, and then you have people believing that they know better than somebody who's practical in their field, and that's just not the way the world works, right?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, you have to actually live things and experience things to have real knowledge.
It isn't something you can impart through just information per se.
Yeah.
brett dasovic
I don't know.
It's all of it is very like that is the most depressing like out of all the conversations we just had that might be the most depressing like all the war and everything but it's like everything that's going on I find like what's gone on in the last because it's like it's been so quick in the last 12 to 15 years the the shift in American values in the last 15 years has been so abrupt.
tim pool
But why is that shift happening?
Because Millennials are entering the workforce.
So it was a crazy moment for me when I used to play shows as a teenager.
I'd go to a cafe and I'd play an open mic and then one day I turned 21.
And when I used to play shows as a teenager, everyone at the shows was always between the ages of like 16 and 20.
Because as soon as you turn 21, you're at the bars.
So I turned 21 and I'm like, I'm gonna find an open mic.
And I'm like, oh, here's one.
I'm like, I'd go to openmic.com.
And I'm like, oh, it's at a bar.
I show up, everyone's 40.
And I was like, whoa, this is kind of weird, like I've never experienced this.
All of a sudden, it was like the training wheels come off and welcome to the real world.
The entire bar is full of people of all different, there's like several decades here of different values, different worldviews.
I had now, at that point, entered That this adult space for the first time playing shows with people with tremendous, way more experience, way more opinions, more knowledge, more wisdom.
Some stupid people, don't get me wrong.
And so what happens is, we're like, how did the world, how is this country changing?
It's not that people are becoming woke, it's that Young people were indoctrinated to be woke, and now they're old enough to have an influence in the marketplace, in politics.
michael rectenwald
There's a white pill I'd like to drop on all this.
I do think there's going to be a renaissance of liberty-minded people.
It's going to come out of this movement.
Because, as you pointed out, it's a path to destruction, destitution, economically, socially.
It leads to decadence, and there's going to be a renaissance of liberty-minded people coming out of this woke contagion.
brett dasovic
I hope that's true, but I'm going to be honest.
The number one place where I see this topic is when people talk about the housing market, when they talk about the price of housing, how so many young people are being priced.
Your parents say, go to college.
You're like, oh, you went to college in a part-time job, blah, blah, blah.
We see these very, very doomer descriptions that are accurate.
They're accurate to the world we're living in right now, but I don't think that creates people who want free markets, because they've been poisoned to believe that the free market is a... It's going to create communists, and it's going to create socialists.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, but they're going to experience the misery that that brings.
phil labonte
We're all going to experience misery, and we're going to have to fight our way out of it.
michael rectenwald
We have to fight our way out of it, there's no question.
brett dasovic
I think we get that before we get back to living.
michael rectenwald
It's going to be San Francisco times 10 everywhere.
brett dasovic
Oh, that's depressing.
tim pool
I'm not convinced that it gets to a communist, Soviet-style country.
Not exactly, no.
No, I think we may already be out of the tailspin and starting to pull back.
If you look at Bud Light sponsoring UFC, we all kind of groaned when they did, but now you see Sean Strickland being like, oh yeah?
Let's see how Bud Light responds to this dude getting up on stage with a Bud Light in hand saying a whole bunch of anti-woke and offensive things.
To make the point, Bud Light is forced to back him now, and back his speech, and his speech is not favorable towards trans people.
phil labonte
Even if the tide is turning, and you might be right about the tide turning, even if it is, this is something that is going to take a while to get out of the schools because there are people that are going to fight like hell, and there's also industry that's already built in.
You've got people with tenure that aren't going to want to give up their jobs, you've got niche industries... Yeah, but who cares about schools?
As long as they're in schools and they're teaching kids these things, kids are gonna be coming out of schools.
And you have 20 years of graduating classes that believe this crap.
tim pool
But what I'm saying is, two things.
First, part of the movement has already been to criticize schools in general for everything they are, not just be like, oh, there's wokeness in schools.
No, it's not right.
Like, schools are bad.
Homeschool your kids.
michael rectenwald
Exactly.
tim pool
But then also, if you go on Twitter, If you go on X, if you go on Instagram, you go on these platforms, and you have the wrong opinion, you're made fun of, you don't get followers.
If the shift among prominent popular people and celebrities is against the wokeness now, especially because of Israel... Yes.
These young... Look.
I've told this story before, when I went to VidCon in like 2016, and as I'm walking in, I see this group of kids, probably 13 years old, and one kid goes, you have 80 followers?
How do you have 80 followers?
Wow!
And like, these little kids are growing up in a world where follower count matters, and that's gonna warp their brains in crazy ways, but guess what?
If you're in high school and you're like, I want a million followers, and then you see all the celebrities are getting behind Israel and opposing the left, and now you get Amy Schumer retweeting or posting on Instagram, campus reform, which is a more right-leaning outlet.
Now these young people are like, I want a million followers, I want to be a celebrity, and they're going to go in this direction.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's right.
I've said this in my book, Great Reset and the Struggle for Liberty, we need defection from the elites.
We're always going to have elites.
There's a natural elites, you know, not just those that are propped up by the state and other artificial measures, but we need defectors.
And, you know, perhaps Elon Musk is one.
We need other defectors from the elite.
And yes, you could be right, and pull, you know, so give people somebody to, you know, we need public voices that come out against all this, and that will be a big part of this, and I hope to make my campaign part of that, and that is to, you know, be publicly stating these things.
I'm doing the mind virus.
tim pool
Is there like a primary for the Libertarian Party?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, there is a primary.
tim pool
When is it?
michael rectenwald
It's ongoing now.
tim pool
Oh, it's ongoing now?
michael rectenwald
Oh, yeah.
Well, see, we have a convention in May.
And that convention, that's where the candidate is chosen by delegates.
unidentified
Delegates?
michael rectenwald
Yes, it's not an open voting system.
It's a delegate selection system.
tim pool
That doesn't sound very libertarian.
michael rectenwald
What you mean to say is that doesn't sound democratic, but libertarianism and democracy are kind of, there's a tension there.
Let's be real about that.
Because actually, democracy in its extremes, it infringes property rights.
unidentified
100%.
michael rectenwald
Okay, so, you know, three out of four say, your money is mine, you know, there you go, you can rob that guy.
phil labonte
But I do kind of feel like... Democracy is the least bad system.
tim pool
But I do kind of feel like, you know, just start from the ground.
If you're a libertarian, the question is, why does anyone have authority over me?
michael rectenwald
Good question.
And as libertarians, we don't think we should have authority over you.
So why am I running for office?
Is that where you're going?
unidentified
No!
tim pool
Why is it a delegate-based system that's determining who gets to be the nominee?
Why does the party have the authority over my choice in who should be the nominee?
Who should be... To be fair, it's because the party is giving them the backing, basically.
michael rectenwald
Yes, that's right.
So the party is choosing... At least it's honest about it.
Look at the Democratic Party, what they're going to do.
Well, what they were going to do to Kennedy, for example.
And they made it very clear.
It didn't matter how many votes he got.
They were going to give it to Biden or whoever.
tim pool
I don't think it was Biden.
michael rectenwald
Whoever they stand up.
tim pool
Biden needs to be the nominee.
I don't think he will be, though.
michael rectenwald
Whoever they stand up.
tim pool
If they can stand him up long enough to... Gavin Newsom met with Xi Jinping because he knows...
He sees it running on the wall, same as everybody else.
It's not going to be Biden.
brett dasovic
It feels like Gavin Newsom, the more that I see about it.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, there's a lot of play out there.
brett dasovic
Even when you see conservative women being like, I hate his guts, but the guy's handsome.
You're just like, man, he definitely has an evil quality about him.
michael rectenwald
Take a look around Los Angeles.
Take a look around San Francisco.
Look at the outrageous destitution and horror that this guy's policies have brought to this state.
tim pool
We've talked about how the way to remove Joe Biden is like, the perfect scenario for the deep state is Joe Biden suffers some kind of medical issue, Gavin Newsom runs on- Biden's at a rally in California and then grips his chest and then Gavin Newsom runs out, performs CPR, saves the life of the president.
Kamala Harris steps in as acting president, but says she does not want to start a campaign this late in the season.
She wants to do her duty to this country.
Gavin Newsom then says, I will do it.
Goes on every, also the press tour.
But what if, what if it's just something crazy like Joe Biden sacrifices himself in some really crazy way, like bringing peace to the Middle East or whatever.
He personally goes there and like walks on the battlefield and holds up his hands and then they're like, no Joe.
And then he goes down in history as like the savior.
That's how they get rid of him.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I'd be very surprised about that.
phil labonte
He's gonna eat an ice cream cone too fast and die of a brain freeze.
brett dasovic
Sniffing someone's hair by the edge of a mountain, and he just falls in.
michael rectenwald
Right now, this guy's just a prop.
I mean, he's a ventriloquist dummy.
There's nothing there.
tim pool
Also, to your point, Phil, to what you were saying, but I think it's fair to say more of, like, I don't know if ventriloquist dummy is the right phrase, because he's also sort of this vacuous pit for money laundering.
Yeah, that's true.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's true.
He has kind of a money pocket in his puppetry.
tim pool
Maybe he's a pneumatic banking tube.
where the government can put the money and then... yeah yeah yeah that's true.
brett dasovic
To what you were saying Phil also about the you were mentioning the schools but
also the companies the corporations where all of these policies have been
enacted in are now enshrined it's going to take an inordinate amount of time to
get that removed from their what they call mission statements or their
company values, which is I still laugh maybe more funny than anything else is the idea that a corporation has like
a mission statement or Has values but you know, you've got you've got mid-level
mid-level employees with hiring capabilities that have been Indoctrinated with these viewpoints who have been shoveled
this stuff for the last two decades You're not just going to have to get rid of them. You're
phil labonte
gonna have to get rid of the people under them Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of conflict between my
point and what Tim says I'm just talking I'm thinking that it's just gonna take
time to actually get this stuff out It didn't happen overnight.
unidentified
No.
phil labonte
It happened quickly because of the internet and stuff, but it didn't happen overnight.
brett dasovic
I don't know if it said it happened quickly.
It's that they placed the chess pieces over a long period of time.
I agree about that too.
And then the internet just allowed the game to move faster.
michael rectenwald
There's something else involved with wokeness.
It's not just cultural or ideological, it's actually economic.
And they've seized upon this as a means for establishing what I call a woke cartel.
And that is to get rid of businesses by virtue of saying, look, if you don't get Larry Fink of BlackRock, If you don't live up to this ESG, now he's changed the name of it because it's got such a bad name.
If you don't live up to this ESG, we're not going to vest capital on you.
So this is kind of a cartel scheme on top of all the cultural stuff.
Wokeness is kind of like a demarcation device to siphon capital to the right players and get rid of the rest.
tim pool
I think a big component of it was creating division amongst the working class as it pertains to the populist uprising, with Bernie and Trump.
They were like, uh oh, you occupy Wall Street, that's a scary thing, you got a bunch of people complaining about big bank bailouts, what do we do?
Make them complain about the race of the other person, and that's what happened.
Mostly the left, right?
The right didn't go...
Racist.
brett dasovic
No, but I think both sides took the bait and they fight about it back and forth non-stop.
I think everybody ends up taking the bait.
michael rectenwald
I disagree.
tim pool
We are complaining about wokeness because wokeness is a bad thing.
The left took the bait and became woke.
michael rectenwald
Oh yeah.
unidentified
And I think it was used... Sorry, just real quick.
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
You've got two guys that are teaming up against the big fat cat, so the big fat cat throws
some coyotes into your room, and then all of a sudden you're like, now we have to deal
with these coyotes.
They're a problem.
Yes, wokeness is a distraction, but it's not something that we can ignore.
michael rectenwald
No, it has to be fought directly.
brett dasovic
I'm just thinking more like 2020 when George Floyd happens and you have Black Lives Matter and then you have the people saying all lives matter and then they fight about what that means for the next eight months, right?
That's a distraction.
But both sides ended up taking the bait because both sides felt like they had a right to have their opinion heard and neither side felt like the bad guy.
michael rectenwald
Except that the DOJ made one side the bad guy.
They told us that the biggest threat to our country was white supremacists as domestic terrorists.
brett dasovic
And a lot of times, like to me, I believe a lot of the people who took into this ideology on Facebook, who weren't necessarily the most politically inclined, but buy into the slogan, right?
That's why the slogan is so effective.
Give it a good name, you know, good company.
We're the good company.
Why would you not support good company?
Right?
You buy into that.
So the average person who's just working his nine to five job, who just wants to support other people, he doesn't realize that he's being used as a pawn by these companies and making it impossible for people to have honest discourse.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's go to Super Chats!
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You don't want to miss it.
You as members actually get to call in and talk to us and our guests, but for now, we will read what y'all have to say.
Tyler B says, if you ain't first, you're last.
Ooh, those are fighting words.
He actually beat I'm Not Your Buddy Guy.
I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, I hope people appreciate the gravity of 2024 and the consequences should the left win.
Clinton has already teased what they're thinking.
What, World War III?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
The Bonus Hole says, if you don't fall-o, Oh, if you don't follow the bonus holes on X, Kathleen Kennedy will crawl out from under your bed and release a rebooted version of the OG Star Wars trilogy, and she'll replace Vader with a chick and make her gay.
Happy Halloween.
brett dasovic
Did you watch the Pandiverse?
No, was it good?
I loved it.
unidentified
Oh, really?
brett dasovic
I should watch it.
They end up criticizing Kathleen Kennedy and the people that criticize Kathleen Kennedy, but it's done in a way that's pretty good.
Trey Parker and Matt Stone are pretty good at that still.
serge du preez
Yeah, everyone gets it.
brett dasovic
Cartman is always the stand-in for, because Cartman is the anti-woke person.
He's still the stand-in for, that lets you know a little bit of what they think of you, but also what they think of Kathleen Kennedy.
But she goes and she finds the pander stone in the depths of Disney.
tim pool
I saw that clip.
brett dasovic
Yes.
tim pool
It's a, it's really, it's open a hole into like the multiverse or something.
serge du preez
The layers of irony are wild.
brett dasovic
The human brain can't fathom the multiverse because the idea they're making fun of how the multiverse is stupid.
Randy's just in the multiverse and all that's happening is his clothes is changing.
He's like, oh my god, I'm wearing a dolphin's jersey!
Oh my god, I'm wearing a giant's!
It's really, really funny.
It's good.
tim pool
All right, let's grab another one.
Waffle Sensei says, the DeSantis Heelsgate, it's BootGate, scandal is the most attention Ron has had in months.
It's actually all coordinated to get his name in the press.
This is 4-D chess, boys and girls.
Strut your stuff, little D. The world is watching.
brett dasovic
Tiny D, maybe he just wants a boot sponsor.
michael rectenwald
One of the things this BootGate is diverting attention from is the weird fact that DeSantis sends from Florida arms and aid to Israel. Is that weapons? Yes, including
citizens' weapons who were given them. Now whether they are allowed in or not is
another question, but DeSantis is actually arming Israel himself.
brett dasovic
Wow. He's like, if I'm not gonna get to read President, I'm gonna do this before just
in case.
michael rectenwald
I'm gonna act presidential, send arms over now and then.
brett dasovic
Neo-Con Ron.
michael rectenwald
Right.
Neo-Con Ron.
tim pool
Juan Castle says, Waha, Tim Pool, where is your Count Chocula costume?
unidentified
Nobody's dressed up.
michael rectenwald
I'm just dressed as me, a thought criminal.
brett dasovic
We had multiple Halloween topics, Tim.
Best I can do.
tim pool
It's Tuesday, though.
That's the challenge.
If Halloween's on a weekend, then people... Yeah, Halloween's past weekend.
Yeah, everybody, uh, I saw a lot of people once in Pittsburgh trick-or-treating on Saturday.
michael rectenwald
Oh yeah, that was big time that night, yep.
tim pool
Yeah, so it was like, they'll have trick-or-treating on the weekend or something, not on Tuesday.
brett dasovic
It was, uh, I was in Hagerstown, and there was like a parade going on, and I was like, oh, this is kind of wholesome, there's all these families out with their kids, that was great, until it was like impossible to get out of Hagerstown trying to drive around the parade.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Eric Mack says, Tim, are you recording the process of building the coffee show?
Because people do like watching that kind of thing.
We're not.
brett dasovic
That actually would be a really... People love that type of stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, just like how to build a coffee shop?
brett dasovic
Well, just like, yeah, like you could even do like weekly updates.
Like, I mean, there's people here with cameras.
Just simply like go out, grab some B-roll of what's going on, talk to whoever's in charge and get like a two to three minute update on what they've done this week and post it on TimCast.com.
tim pool
The reason I think that the economy is collapsing and the end is nigh is because of how difficult it is to do simple things.
serge du preez
Oh, the red tape is insane for everything.
tim pool
But it's not even red tape, it's the inability of contractors and companies to function.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
And we've got a bunch of people being like, my company can do it.
michael rectenwald
People don't know how to do anything.
tim pool
It's not just that, it's that the system is completely broken.
So when we get hit up by a company saying they can do the job, and then it's like eight weeks go by, and they're like, why haven't you started?
unidentified
And they're like, well, you know... We didn't get the permit yet, yeah.
tim pool
And then there's some kind of error or problem, and then it's delayed again.
We got a frog pond installed, and we were like expedited, and they're like, we'll come out this weekend.
A month later, it was done.
Now, a pond is a really simple thing.
They dig a hole, they line it, and they put rocks around it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And a filter.
And it took a month to do what was supposed to be a week project.
And I'm like, I think the world is collapsing.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, it's pretty bad, man.
People can't... You know, we've got a kind of dysfunction in the system because people have been...
brett dasovic
You know, they've abdicated all these rules to the state and so they don't know how to do anything anymore We need to resume taking over That's the other storyline and it is the storyline is that all of the handymen in South Park are billionaires now because because of AI nobody knows how to do anything Yeah, their jobs have been so there's it's talking about taking down the billionaires It's just these two handymen who are both just insanely rich because nobody knows how to do anything in the universe.
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh All right.
tim pool
Bomani says They find it funny how Tim has armed security, fled to West Virginia, hides on a compound, obscures his address, hasn't not worn his beanie in years.
I haven't worn my beanie since I was... I haven't... I've always worn the beanie.
Go back and look at the photos when I was 14 and skateboarding.
Yet calls his financial supporters cowards.
Wait for the coat.
When did I call my financial supporters cowards?
That literally never happened.
But I'm more than willing to read your fake criticism.
michael rectenwald
It's amazing what people say.
Outrageous things that they have no basis for.
phil labonte
They just make shit up.
michael rectenwald
Make shit up constantly.
tim pool
We'll break it down.
Armed security.
You bet!
I also have a bunch of guns myself.
Why would I not have security?
Do you have people threatening to kill you all the time?
Sometimes if you go out into public, Antifa, maybe, but like, do people send bombs and bomb threats to your house?
So why wouldn't I have armed security?
Fled to West Virginia.
Why would I want to live in New York or California?
I went to a place where I could push back the wokeness.
Where we are in the panhandle in West Virginia, you've got woke people trying to move in or pushing them out.
We're going to be building an anti-Times Square and helping to secure Americans' values.
Hides on a compound.
I love how everyone calls this a compound.
It's like a single office building.
michael rectenwald
It's a building, yeah.
I mean, I'm not going to give anything else away.
brett dasovic
Also, they're like, obscuring your address, like, yes.
phil labonte
My 50 acres in New Hampshire is the compound.
tim pool
It's like, bro, obscures my address?
Are you now going to post in the chat your address?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, really.
You're going to dox yourself.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, right.
michael rectenwald
And then I literally... You're doing localization and you're doing decentralization and you're doing it in real life.
This is what we need.
tim pool
It is the weirdest thing, though, how people call this a compound, and it's like, if we bought a building in the city, they'd call it an office, but you buy a building outside the city and they call it a compound.
And I'm like, okay, now hold on.
michael rectenwald
So it makes you sound like David Koresh.
brett dasovic
Yes, that's exactly what I was going to say.
tim pool
Yeah, like, the point is, the people who are trying to tear down I think it's fair.
All is fair in love and war.
The left needs to lie, because that's the only way they can win.
So, for instance, Phil is a failed musician, according to Son Piker, despite having multiple gold records and a platinum record, coming out with new music, and opening for Metallica, quite literally the hallmarks of success.
But they have to lie about it.
That's also why he didn't say his name.
They claim, I don't know how to skateboard.
We got a whole bunch of clips.
We got a couple clips I could put up, I just didn't even upload them.
Richie comes in and he's like, hey Tim, do a switch tray flip.
And I'm like, alright, I guess, first try, switch tray flip, no problem.
They have to lie.
brett dasovic
It's also a ridiculous criticism that has nothing to do with this here.
tim pool
The idea of Claiming that Phil is not successful, or I'm not successful, is because they don't want young people to look up to us.
That's what they fear the most.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, actually.
tim pool
So that's the thing.
It's a compound.
It's like, well, it's a giant mansion with a mini-ramp in the basement, a skate park outside, but it's just one big building.
Yeah.
However, Freedomistan is 50 acres.
serge du preez
That's more of a compound.
tim pool
But what does compound mean?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, you've got arms in here and you're basically barricaded behind walls.
tim pool
They're trying to claim it's like, yeah, there's a big fence keeping people out and everyone lives here, like nobody... The feds should come after you, too.
michael rectenwald
That's the other thing I'd suggest.
tim pool
Right.
Alright, well I'll tell you this, the building that we have at Freedomistan is a big sterile white building, like any other office building, so there you go.
brett dasovic
They'll love that.
unidentified
Yeah, they'll love that.
tim pool
They'll be like, okay, well, it's just a regular office building, I guess.
brett dasovic
I like that Tim guy now, he's great.
phil labonte
Alright, what do we got?
tim pool
We'll read some more Super Chats.
CBA Buck says, last night you talked about first aid for a severed jugular.
Look up Scott from Kentucky Ballistics and his injury.
Just stick a thumb in it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That- was that when the- When the cow blew.
Yeah, it blew up and it hit his neck?
Is that what he did?
phil labonte
He literally stuck his thumb in it, yeah.
michael rectenwald
Oh, wow.
unidentified
And that- and he lived.
phil labonte
He made it.
tim pool
If this dude who got hit in the neck in the UK just went... Instead, he just put his hand on it and then just bled out in 50 seconds.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
That's crazy, man.
The Lion says there is no such thing as Palestine.
The region was renamed by the Romans as a slight to the Jews, who had been expelled from the region following the BK Rebellion.
Philistia, Philistines, Palestine.
serge du preez
Right, because the Philistines are the people that came from the water, or the water people that came on the boats.
michael rectenwald
I don't know what this kind of point is that this poster is trying to make.
I think it's trying to suggest that there's no historical conflict over the land there.
tim pool
No, no, no, they're arguing that the land belongs to the Jews.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, it's kind of like saying that there isn't a real historical conflict between the people that lived there and the people that live there now.
tim pool
This was one of the issues I had with Max Blumenthal.
I think it was Max.
Was it Max?
No, it wasn't Max.
I think maybe Scott Horton said this.
The people who currently live in Israel, the people who have always lived there, they were Jews, but they were conquered by the Muslims and told, convert or else, basically.
So they did.
And then I'm like, so the argument is that a conquered people are being reconquered?
michael rectenwald
I don't know that history.
tim pool
But if that's the argument, you're like, war is happening again.
michael rectenwald
What I would defend is the property rights of people that own houses and things like that.
They own property and they, you know, they were, you know, either scared out of their property or ejected from it.
That's for real.
tim pool
I'm sick of the lies, and it's funny because... It's very difficult to get to the bottom of this history.
Yeah, but it's the left lying, like, 90% of the time.
michael rectenwald
They could lie.
tim pool
It's just everything we see.
Donald Trump didn't overfeed the koi fish.
He did what Shinzo Abe did.
Donald Trump didn't call Nazis very fine people.
They just lie about...
michael rectenwald
They lie about everything, but sometimes a clock is right twice a day, a broken clock.
I mean, sometimes they're right, and I don't discriminate about what's true based on who's saying it necessarily.
tim pool
But guess what?
At any point, when you look at a broken clock, and you know it's broken, you check another clock.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, I'd go for other sources, absolutely.
I would not go with leftist propaganda ever.
tim pool
So let's amend that.
They say a broken clock is right twice a day.
michael rectenwald
Find another clock.
tim pool
And I would add to that, and yet still you will always check a working clock to verify.
michael rectenwald
Absolutely.
I would never rely on leftist propaganda for anything.
brett dasovic
The problem is the average person just doesn't have the time inclination or they're not as involved in this situation.
unidentified
It's very difficult.
brett dasovic
I go back to Israeli historians, actually, and look at what they say.
It's really is what's concerned like post concern for me, like everything I read, I have no idea without checking
three to four different sources, whether it's true or not.
And that just leads a lot of people to disengage.
michael rectenwald
I go back to Israeli historians, actually, and look at what they say.
These people that did deep research into this.
And that's where I get my source from.
tim pool
All right, the Bahamian rain man says, I turn thirty nine tomorrow and all I want is for you all to tell me whether
or not Trump's voters can legitimately write his name in on the ballot should his name be removed and whether or not he
can still win with these improvised written bouts.
No, he can't!
If his name is removed, then the state has decided they will not honor those votes, as Trump is ineligible, so no matter how many votes he gets, they're not going to tally them.
They're gonna ignore them.
And so, A lot of people don't get it.
If New York removes Trump's name from the ballot, let's just say New York, and how many Republicans they got in New York?
Five?
No, maybe like 10 million?
michael rectenwald
A few upstate, yeah.
tim pool
Right.
But that's, so let's say California, I think California has 10 million Republicans and 20 million Democrats.
So although it's always going to be Democrat, that's still 10 million votes to the Republican in the national popular vote.
California removes Trump's name from the ballot and they argue, who cares?
It's a blue state anyway.
michael rectenwald
Now that's terrible.
tim pool
And the popular vote comes out and Joe Biden's got 80 million and Trump's got 65.
And then Trump wins the electoral college and the left lose it and says, what?
brett dasovic
And then we get four more years of, we need to get rid of the electoral college.
tim pool
And this will be their excuse, because if Trump wins the Electoral College, but only gets 37% of the popular vote, they're going to be like, two to one, Biden won.
How is our country being ruled by this man without realizing it's because it took his name off the ballot?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's true.
And I would say this, even though I hope to be running against Trump directly.
I'll say this, this is an outrage.
And what they're doing to him, the legal prosecutions and all this, is unbelievable.
It's completely a miscarriage of justice entirely, and it should be stopped.
Agreed.
tim pool
All right, Daniel Karimian says, Ditching Hennedy for Timcast equals best decision ever.
That is correct.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
That is a correct statement.
I am not a fan of Hennedy.
I really don't.
Tucker, awesome.
michael rectenwald
Awesome.
No.
Hannity is just a straight down the line neocon no matter what.
Right.
tim pool
I remember that one famous handoff where Tucker was criticizing Amazon for screwing their employees over and then, you know, Hannity, they do the crossover thing, Hannity defends Amazon and Tucker's like, oh.
michael rectenwald
They seem to have been, back then they were like battling for a while there.
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
Donald Dowd says, I worked at that secret base near the southern end of Gaza and the Sinai Desert.
It's a radar site pointed at Iran and has like five U.S.
military at it and a ton of contractors.
That's crazy.
Well, there you go.
It's not a secret anymore.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, it's out there.
tim pool
I hope that wasn't, like, a violation of any kind of, like, confidentiality.
michael rectenwald
Well, I mean, we shouldn't have the state keeping all these secrets from us, and I don't know how many 500 million classified documents that we aren't allowed to know about.
tim pool
The Emperor's Champion says, why do people act like the CCP, Iran, and the Russians are completely innocent and all this stuff is 110% the fault of the U.S.?
Well, um, I will say, because the U.S.
unidentified
won.
tim pool
There you go.
michael rectenwald
I don't think anybody... I certainly didn't mean to be saying that, whatsoever.
tim pool
Well, the issue is, the U.S.
wins, and then puts a bunch of bases everywhere, and then causes a bunch of problems.
We then criticize creating those problems.
michael rectenwald
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
Russia's bad, China's bad, Iran is very bad.
They're all very, very bad.
The BRICS nations are a big threat.
And I'm really concerned about South Africa.
They're probably the worst.
serge du preez
Yeah, you could say that.
tim pool
I mean, one of the things that people forget about... I looked over at Sergius and he said it.
serge du preez
Yeah, one of the things people forget about the U.S.
is that we basically keep international trade safe with our military.
Our military, meaning our navy, etc.
Our naval power.
I don't know if the countries would do that.
They haven't indicated that they would do that as well, so... I think it's something people forget about.
tim pool
You were born in South Africa, right?
serge du preez
I was born in Belgium.
My parents left South Africa before I was born there.
tim pool
And why did they leave South Africa?
serge du preez
Well, let's think about South Africa in the 80s, you know?
Some stuff happened.
michael rectenwald
I think you could have safe international trade without a military, per se.
You could have armed... Hypothetically.
serge du preez
Or at least enable people to stop piracy.
michael rectenwald
Private protection firms that would protect property as it moves through various regions.
serge du preez
Yeah, that would develop over time, but without having the development, it's going to take time.
michael rectenwald
It wouldn't just... Yeah, I agree.
But let's get rid of the state.
serge du preez
I don't disagree with you.
I think a lot of us agree with you, especially on this podcast.
But yeah, I think that people forget how much that protection it gives so many people, so many nations.
It literally protects global trade.
It's a huge thing.
brett dasovic
Another part of that is what Trump used to point out.
It's like, we get a crap deal out of this.
We protect everybody and we get nothing for it, right?
So that's even a more neutral neutral take them.
serge du preez
That's the thing we should be arguing against.
We have to foot the bill.
We have to become the police, not just, you know, we're trying to protect trade.
That doesn't mean to be the world police and go and get involved in every conflict and
every single thing that happens.
It's not just us for- Which makes us a target as well.
Yeah.
We're not just, you know, salesmen for Raytheon.
tim pool
The KL Tanker says, I was thinking after you said yesterday about how conservatives just
need to have kids, but as a Californian, I have friends that have heavily conservative
parents that try to pass down their values and their kids are far left.
Okay, this one's really simple.
It's because they gave their kids to the state.
serge du preez
Yeah, the school's got them.
tim pool
That's it.
So it's like, you're conservative.
Listen, if you're a conservative and you send your kids to a state-run institution, you're a progressive by traditional standards.
Go back a hundred, go back two hundred years, go to the Founding Fathers, and have a discussion with Thomas Jefferson about how your kids are going to go to a state-run learning facility and you will not see them, and he's gonna be like, that's insanity!
They didn't have communism, they didn't have a word for it back then, but he'll say, that's communism!
michael rectenwald
Yeah, they put out little status, that's it.
Some status production factor.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
brett dasovic
It's very hard to get away from that.
The economic standards are the way they are now with both parents.
Almost all households, both parents are working.
It's very hard.
We can do pod learning, stuff like that, but it's very, very difficult.
tim pool
Look, man, all of this is a choice, okay?
And for these parents who did not see it coming and thought their kids would be okay, I understand they were victimized.
That being said, now that we know these things, the answer is Make the difficult decision.
brett dasovic
Figure it out.
tim pool
And suffer the hardships for your children.
That is to say, get out of the cities, sell, find new jobs, and start the process of... Look, we had colonists who came from Europe on boats, I say this all the time, 20% of them died on the ships, they landed on barren shores and said, this is worth it.
And a lot of them died.
unidentified
You don't even gotta do that!
michael rectenwald
All you gotta do is go on Craigslist and look down and move to a different neighborhood and get out of the city.
tim pool
Start looking up job listings in MAGA areas in MAGA country, find a job, and then move!
michael rectenwald
Unschooling is better than going to these state schools.
Unschooling altogether.
tim pool
But get out of these states, and it is not... Look, here's what I do in skateboarding.
What I like to do is I like to imagine a ridiculously hard trick As I'm about to do a somewhat easier version of it.
So I try to visualize doing the hardest version and say, okay, now I pull it back.
I do a big sail on myself.
So imagine you have to run through fields of landmines with your family to escape a totalitarian regime, hell-bent on locking up in the gulags, and then stop and say, oh, thank heavens, all I have to do is find a new job and find a house and sell a bunch of stuff and then move.
brett dasovic
What do you do about TikTok and social media?
Is it just keeping your kids off the phone?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, it shouldn't be arbitrary.
Vivek Ramaswamy actually said that it should be illegal for people 18 and under to go on social media.
No.
No, no, no, no.
brett dasovic
I don't know about that.
We don't need that.
It's going to be very hard, because like you said, it's about their schooling, where they're living, and also phones, the internet, there's all the ways that this information comes.
tim pool
If you found out that one of the moms in your neighborhood was hosting sex parties for teenagers in the neighborhood with beer, this is an actual story that just happened, would you go, What am I supposed to do?
Tell my kid they can't hang out with the other kids?
It's a normal social thing the kids are doing.
No, you say, you cannot go to that house.
michael rectenwald
Exactly.
tim pool
So when the argument that, oh, but like TikTok is what all the kids are doing.
It's like, and if all the kids were jumping off a bridge, would you let your kid do it?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So what do you do?
Move to an area with similar values, keep your kids away from bad influences because they're absorbing the world around them, and, uh, yeah, don't let them use these things.
brett dasovic
For as long as possible.
tim pool
For as long as possible!
And it's like, it's like when your kid turns 18, they get a tattoo, and you say, look, you're my kid, you live in my house, and my rules, when you turn 18, you can go get a tattoo and smoke cigarettes, but right now, you live in my house, so no TikTok.
michael rectenwald
And hopefully they won't do it afterwards.
By the time they're 18, they'll realize.
tim pool
Well, it really is about, you know, these conservative parents had far-left kids because they handed their kids over to the far-left, to the state.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, what I mean is that they would not become far-leftists.
Yeah, I don't care about the tattoo.
tim pool
You need to teach your kids, man!
And you know the real challenge is, and I don't have kids, but I certainly know this just from my upbringing is, it's hard to know if hardship will make or break your kid.
Some people are made by hardship, some people are broken by it.
But I guess the challenge is, you are worse off not having the hardship.
If someone is gonna be broken by a moderate degree of hardship, then they weren't cut out for this, and you gotta figure something out for them.
But I think it's better off... I really hate the idea of people like, I'm gonna make sure my kids never know the hardship I went through, and I'm like, why?
You're successful.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, then you end up with Elon Musk's kid.
He's a Marxist, by the way.
phil labonte
Human beings, like...
We're anti-fragile.
We need struggle and resistance.
Whether it be our biology, our bones need gravity or else they become brittle and they lose mass.
The way that you build your body is by putting resistance on it.
You have to struggle with things that you don't understand to learn things.
Everything about our existence requires some kind of struggle.
That is another thing that is ubiquitous across all of human society.
You don't get anything by just sitting there.
You have to go out.
I agree.
The helicopter parents and the snowplow parents who go out and just try to make the world flat for their children are doing their children a massive disturbance and our society is suffering now
because again we're at the point where we have multiple you know multiple graduating
classes a decade two decades worth of graduating classes where since no child
left behind since the Bush era where they did stopped failing kids and stop
having you know trying to get kids put him in safe spaces and pacifiers get
them out just put them through the system and let them out and that's why
you have a whole a whole this little kids that can't read at grade level and
tim pool
stuff the craziest thing to me this has been I thought about this my whole
life I watched several educational videos on education I watched some some
great TED talks about schooling and the problems of schooling and the most
important years of a human being's life zero through five
Where the brain is developing and absorbing everything around it, and what does the average American do with their kids?
They sit them down, put them on an iPad, and have them do nothing.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Before iPads, it was nothing.
TV?
That's crazy!
For all of human history, these kids were with their parents all the time, learning from adults.
And so we see that viral video, where you've got a bunch of 10-year-olds talking about the war, and it's like black and white, and they sound like adults, and everyone's like, why do the kids sound like this?
Because they were raised by adults.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because their influence was adults, so they acted like adults.
michael rectenwald
They need to be outside, by themselves, playing with each other.
And, you know, I mean... No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
That's the opposite.
Kids need to be raised by their parents.
michael rectenwald
Oh, absolutely.
But what I'm getting at is here, they need to have some independence.
They don't need helicopter parents, which are completely crippling them.
tim pool
The issue right now is that kids are being raised by each other.
serge du preez
Exactly.
Yeah.
michael rectenwald
Or being raised by social media.
We're the state.
Mostly the state.
tim pool
Yes, but schools...
At least when I was in school, we had no respect for teachers.
Anything a teacher said was meaningless garbage.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
And we made fun of anybody who agreed with the teacher.
So the kids were raising each other.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I get it.
tim pool
Yep, you have to fit in with the other kids instead of fitting with the adults.
michael rectenwald
Sure.
tim pool
I was working for my family's business, and so I was surrounded by adults, on the weekends at least.
And so I'm like, okay, that's the behavior they're engaging in, and how do I, you know, how am I supposed to behave in things like this?
then the kids are all just doing fart jokes.
And they grew up and they do the same thing.
There's a viral photo.
Someone had a tweet and they said, 40 years old, married with kids,
living in the suburbs or this.
And it's a mattress on the floor, pile of laundry.
Yeah, and it's like, because that person never grew up.
Because that person was raised by children.
And it is, I mean, it, look, I feel for parents who didn't see this coming
and didn't know, you know.
But at a certain point, you have the responsibility to solve the problems and to see the pitfalls and the dangers that will befall your family.
And if you were like, I got an idea, I'm gonna give my kids to the state for eight hours a day and have no idea what they're being told or what's happening, what do you get?
You get kids being bullied, kids killing themselves.
You get school shootings.
You get Marxism and cultural Marxism, critical race theory, because parents were just like-
michael rectenwald
Genderism ideology.
tim pool
Gender ideology, because parents were just like- It is-
michael rectenwald
They abdicated their responsibility early.
tim pool
There's a video where a guy asks dads about their kids and he's like, what's your daughter's birthday?
And they don't know.
What's your daughter's teacher's name?
No idea.
I'm like, they, look, I'm sorry.
If you don't know the name of your kid's teacher, you don't care.
Yep.
And I'm not saying there's a slight.
That is not meant to be, like, I am insulting you, like, how dare you not care?
No, I'm saying, like, you literally don't care, right?
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, I don't know the name of the guy who fixes the septic tank here.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Well, I don't care what his name is.
unidentified
I don't handle that.
tim pool
Someone else calls and, like, has that maintained.
So I don't care.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If you don't think about your teacher, your kid's teacher, you don't care.
Maybe you should care.
unidentified
That's all.
tim pool
Perhaps.
Alright, Ian Crossland says, I'm coming for you tomorrow, Tim Pool.
serge du preez
Oh no.
tim pool
Well he's mad because I said if he's not back by Wednesday, we're taking that Ian Crossland down.
We're gonna put up a Phil Labonte one.
We actually don't have one.
We gotta hit up the company that made these, because these are really awesome.
Yeah, we actually have a Timcast IRL one laying down over there.
brett dasovic
It's over here.
tim pool
Oh, it's over there?
brett dasovic
Yeah, it's over here.
michael rectenwald
I gotta say, this studio's way bigger than it looks on air.
tim pool
Yeah, the Timcast IRL one.
Yeah, I don't know.
We framed the Timcast one, and so we never put the Timcast IRL one up, but we probably should.
But we should probably get a bunch of those mixed up.
michael rectenwald
I just noticed the beanie on that one.
unidentified
And the UFO on that one.
michael rectenwald
That's awesome.
unidentified
So good.
serge du preez
Yeah, Ian's has a UFO on it.
tim pool
This is really good. Yeah, here's... here's... ah! So good.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, Ian's has a UFO on it. That's me. Yeah. He's got that little, yeah, little top. That's me. And then, uh,
tim pool
what did Luke's have? Luke's is in there. Oh, I don't remember. I think it has his, his logo actually. And Lydia's
brett dasovic
had some... Yeah.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, Luke says his own logo.
Shim cast, but it's fine.
Seamus abandoned us.
So, you know, we don't we don't care about him anyway.
So, you know, whatever Eddie.
Kazada says, I'm looking for a gang expert to give expert testimony in Owosso, Oklahoma.
My father unalived his daughter's traffickers who tried to take her.
The police are treating traffickers like the victims.
Just a simple website.
Site will have the info.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's what's going on.
It's called anarcho-tyranny.
They're letting criminality run completely rampant, and you can't even defend yourself against criminals.
It is not strictly what libertarians have always talked about as over-policing.
What we're seeing here is instead a terrorizing of people by criminality.
tim pool
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Michael, do you want to shout anything out?
michael rectenwald
Yes, please, wrecktheregime.com, that's R-E-C-The-Regime.com, and follow me on X or Twitter at wrecktheregime.
Let's do it.
brett dasovic
Oh, hey guys, if you want to follow me, you can follow me on Instagram and Twix, at Brett Dasovic, on both of those platforms.
And please go ahead and check out Pop Culture Crisis, Monday through Friday, 3 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time.
That is noon Pacific, you should come hang out with us.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, Pandora, you know, the internet.
serge du preez
And I'm Serge.com, enjoying being South African and the world champs in rugby, having the Web Ellis once more today.
You can find me on the internet, on Twix, at Serge.com.
I'm on, uh, what's it called?
Uh, Truth Social now, which would be sweet, I guess.
tim pool
Did South Africa win the World Cup or something?
serge du preez
Yeah, we beat the All Blacks.
We are the winningest country four times, and we're also back-to-back.
No big deal, guys.
tim pool
Wait, like, this is, like, the big game?
serge du preez
Yeah, this is the Web Ellis.
This is the Rugby World Cup.
michael rectenwald
Oh, wow!
serge du preez
Yeah, so that's why I'm so excited.
So, uh, Yeah, Boca Boca.
Forever, guys.
tim pool
Alright, we'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a couple minutes.
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