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Timcast IRL - Judge Overseeing Trump 2024 Case Is DEMOCRAT DONOR, REFUSES To Recuse w/Lavern Spicer
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tim pool
The judge in the case of Donald Trump's eligibility in 2024 happening in Colorado turns out to
be a donor to Democrats and not just to Democrats.
Now, I love this.
I think it was PBS, there was a news outlet that said that there was concern because she had donated to liberal groups.
She donated to a PAC that's specifically trying to remove Republicans who supported Trump on January 6th.
And now, she is overseeing a case where, because of January 6th, Democrats are arguing Trump is not eligible to be president.
So if you thought this one was going to be fair, surprise, surprise.
Now we're hearing that Minnesota and Michigan are going to have similar challenges so that will be
particularly interesting. We'll talk about that plus, oh man, you know, normally at this stage of the game,
I don't really care too much to talk about Ron DeSantis, but he did disappear on the Patrick BetDavid
Valuetainment podcast where he was called out for wearing high heels. We got it.
We got to talk about this story because this one's man.
I think he's wearing high heels.
I really do.
And I think this this actually, you know, Patrick, but David absolutely calls him out.
We got a bunch of other stories.
The U.S.
is building a bigger bomb, a very, very big nuclear weapon, new gravity bomb.
And we'll talk about that as well as Trump's being gagged.
And then we're going to talk about this hockey story.
That's going massively viral that you may have seen, where a hockey player got clipped in the neck by a skate, and it looks like, if you look at the video, that the other player intentionally kicked him, and this dude died, apparently, like, very quickly in the ring.
So we'll talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more, we've got Joey Manorino.
unidentified
Hello, how are you?
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
unidentified
It's great to be here.
I do political commentary.
I have a podcast where we do that, and that's pretty much what I do.
I raise money for campaigns as well.
tim pool
Right on.
Is there a campaign you're working with right now?
unidentified
The lady right next to us.
tim pool
Who's this?
unidentified
Laverne Spicer.
tim pool
Laverne, would you like to introduce yourself?
unidentified
Sure.
I'm Laverne Spicer, and I'm a candidate for District 24 in Miami.
tim pool
Right on.
What do you do outside of running for office?
Are you professionally?
unidentified
Well, 20 plus years ago I started a food bank after my mentor died.
Started a food bank and we provide food for people that are facing food insecurity and we feed thousands of needy families each and every week.
We help the mothers that are going through a hard time.
We give them baby pampers.
clothing, whatever we need.
So we're like a one-stop shop so far as whatever the community needs we are there to support those that are really having a hard time.
tim pool
Right on.
And we got Phil and Hannah Clare hanging out.
phil labonte
Hannah Clare?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know where the camera's going.
phil labonte
I'm not sure.
Go ahead.
hannah claire brimelow
You go first.
I missed you, Phil.
You're back from California.
phil labonte
Yes, I am Phil Labonte, very failed musician, anti-communist, counter-revolutionary.
And Hannah Clare's here.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should follow at TimCastNews on the social medias because it's the best.
And Serge is here.
serge du preez
Yes, I am here.
Congratulations, guys.
We have the cup again, and I just wanted to rub it in New Zealand's face for once.
So, yes.
tim pool
Well, alright, that's very important news, but let's jump to the story from the New York Times.
Colorado trial considers whether the 14th Amendment disqualifies Trump.
Some constitutional experts argue that a clause in the amendment should bar Donald J. Trump from becoming president again, but that view is far from universal among legal scholars.
Now the big story that they're not getting into in a lot of these articles, one article just said, the judge donated to liberals.
Here's the tweet from Mike Davis.
He says, New Denver District Judge Sarah Wallace, a Democrat donor, commits reversible error by refusing to recuse from Trump January 6th case after donating to anti-Trump January 6th PAC.
So let's just get to the specifics here.
On October 15th, 2022, Sarah Wallace donated to the Colorado Turnout Project, a political action committee formed to vote out Republicans who supported Trump on January 6th, 2021.
And quite literally, yes.
Now, specifically in Colorado, but that's what they're saying.
They say, we formed shortly after Colorado Republicans refused to condemn the political extremists who stormed the Capitol on January 6th.
In fact, Republican Rep.
Lauren Boebert even encouraged the violence.
That's not true.
She did not encourage violence.
It's absurd.
But that's what their argument is.
And with those lies, the judge in this case has donated to this organization and is now overseeing the question of whether or not Trump should be removed.
So, you know, if you thought there was going to be a fair hearing on this one, you were wrong.
Now it may be, for political reasons, the judge can't just say Trump is off the ballot, but Michigan is next, and here's the best part in Michigan, the challenge is not with Donald Trump.
Someone sued the Secretary of State, saying that Trump should be removed, and when Trump's lawyers tried to intervene saying like, hey, there's no insurrection here, they said you have no standing, you are not party to this lawsuit.
Now that's a clever one.
Next up is Minnesota, and I'll tell you what I think.
I think, uh, some point next year, there is a strong probability that one state will unilaterally, at the last minute, take Trump's name off the ballot.
And here's the important thing.
I was mentioning this earlier on the Tim Pool Daily Show, my morning podcast.
A lot of people are like, yeah, but where are they going to succeed with one of these things, right?
Is it going to be a swing state, and then like a Democrat district judge says, you know, okay, Trump's off the ballot, but then the state challenges it, and it's, no.
Imagine a state like California takes Trump's name off the ballot, and then, let's say Trump does win, but he loses the popular vote by 5 to 10 million votes.
The Democrats are then going to say, see, look, Trump, how does he win the presidency but lose the popular vote by 10 million?
And it's because in states with massive Republican populations like California, but they're so heavily Democrat, they can remove his name from the ballot.
Trump doesn't get the general Republican votes in a decent amount.
And then it looks like Trump did not actually win the popular vote because they removed him.
That's another game they might play, but I'm curious what y'all think.
unidentified
All you need is one state.
If you get one state, you have precedent, and then the other ones can go and follow suit.
If they do that, I mean, we're so third world at that point.
The fact that this is even being considered, this judge should be thrown off the case.
You donate to a PAC that is focused, they're only focused on Boebert in Colorado, but they're actually focused on everybody with the mentality that Trump won the election.
Anybody that's MAGA, they want out.
Well, she donated money to it.
She should be thrown so far off the case.
hannah claire brimelow
She says that she doesn't remember.
I mean, that's the quote that Colorado Public Radio is running with, that she donated $100, and her justification was, well, I don't remember making that donation, and I didn't know what the mission of this organization was.
unidentified
Well, she's too stupid.
She needs to fix her memory.
hannah claire brimelow
It doesn't seem like a great judge, right?
This is questionable all around.
phil labonte
I think that's the point, though.
The substance of the case doesn't really matter.
It's obviously that they're after Trump.
They're looking for any excuse they can come up with.
So, I mean, I don't have a whole ton to add just because it's blatant and clear.
And the idea that the American public accepts it is probably the most The thing that I have the most problem with is not just that this is happening, it's that people are so disengaged and uninterested or comfortable with this type of behavior.
It means that the fundamental ideals that our country are founded on People don't have any respect for him at all anymore.
unidentified
No massive protests out there.
No, nothing.
Nobody's even talking about it.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you have to give credit to Jason Miller, who's with the Trump campaign, who was the one who was like, this is happening.
This judge donated to this cause.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's one of the only quotes that I have seen circulated at all.
I mean, this detail that she has donated, that she is essentially a biased judge from the beginning and we know about it.
And she was the one to decide, well, I'm not going to accuse myself.
It's crazy.
And I think this is the type of case that they'll just try over and over again until something sticks.
And if it's not this, if they run into 14th Amendment arguments, they'll shift to another claim against Trump.
tim pool
So look, Trump's lawyers argued if they're even going to pursue this argument, Trump has to have been convicted under the federal statute pertaining to rebellion and insurrection specifically created to deal with the 14th Amendment.
And he has not been.
They're doing it anyway.
And and already the judge said, no, it doesn't matter.
unidentified
I think she should recuse herself from this case, and when it comes to him, it's like justice is blind.
They do whatever they want to do.
Nobody is protesting.
Nobody is fighting against it or anything.
It's time for people to stand up and stop being afraid.
We got to stick together.
We got to fight through this, because if they could do that to him, then which one of us is next?
tim pool
Oh, worse than that, right?
What they can do to Trump, they can do to you tenfold.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
They'll just come and shoot us in the head.
tim pool
The New York Times says Judge Wallace has laid out nine topics to be addressed at the trial, which is scheduled to last all week.
They include whether Section 3 of the 14th Amendment applies to presidents, what engaged and insurrection mean in that section, whether Mr. Trump's actions fit those definitions, and whether the amendment is self-executing.
In other words, whether it can be applied without specific action by Congress, identifying whom to apply it to.
So, the 14th Amendment, Section 3, specifically says, representative or member of the Senate.
It specifically says, elector of the President or Vice President.
And then it says, and may not hold office, civil or military.
And so, the argument people are making is that the reason why Section 3 outlines The the exact elected positions and then says civil office is because it views them at it is a distinction civil office meaning a bureaucratic job you're appointed to whereas the other positions are elected to so it would seem their argument is a trump can be president because president isn't specifically addressed here but
That's a tough question, because I don't know if civil office... I'm not going to sit here and say this silly argument from the left.
They say, you know, a well-regulated militia means government regulation, but it's not what regulated meant back then.
Back then, regulated meant, like, well-equipped and properly armed with clean materials.
And so perhaps civil office meant something specific back then.
It doesn't mean today.
I guess we're gonna hear, but regardless of this, I think it's absolutely silly to be having the hearing at all.
The fact that when it came to 2020, the majority of the lawsuits coming from Trump were dismissed on standing, and not the merits.
And then you see a case like this, where there's literally no merit whatsoever, but they hold it anyway.
No, we just sit back and get destroyed every single time.
We're weak, and we let them run all over us.
I'm not so convinced as to say the legal system is completely broken, but Republicans don't
file lawsuits anyway, so we wouldn't know.
unidentified
No, we just sit back and get destroyed every single time.
We're weak and we let them run all over us.
You're talking about definitions.
They don't care about definitions.
They write the rules.
They rewrite them if they don't work for them.
They don't care.
We make the third world look, like, beautiful right now.
What they're doing to us, it's ridiculous.
So, I don't think we stand a chance against this kind of stuff, unless we get smart, and get smart quick.
phil labonte
As long as, as long as Roman Daniel is running the... No!
unidentified
She should be fighting this.
What's she doing?
Getting more Botox or something?
It's a joke!
phil labonte
It is unconscionable that not only is she still in her position, but Donald Trump was talking positively about her just the other day.
And I don't know what is wrong with that man to not see that two elections were run Absolutely horribly.
The Democrats absolutely outworked the Republicans.
They made the Republicans look like fools, and the significant portion of it was ground game.
I believe that Donald Trump would have won in 2020 had it not been for the Republicans being so bad at their job, because they let the Democrats change the laws in Pennsylvania.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
In Pennsylvania, they ran on it.
In Pennsylvania, the Republicans teamed up with Democrats to change the rules in violation of their own Constitution.
hannah claire brimelow
And Ron McDonald knows, and Trump knows this too, that the RNC needs Trump way more.
phil labonte
I don't believe Trump knows things.
hannah claire brimelow
Go ahead.
I think, I mean, we have to look back at the debate, right?
Ron McDonald puts out this first statement being like, it would be a mistake to miss the debate.
This is a bad idea.
But they know they need Trump to bring in the viewership.
That's how they are going to generate money off of this.
unidentified
And the fundraising.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
unidentified
Every fundraising email is get your Trump gold card and then you look at the bottom and it's always the RNC.
That money doesn't go to Trump.
It goes to her and her sick people.
hannah claire brimelow
So they know they need him on so many levels and I wish that Trump would do more to hold them accountable to that.
They need him so much more than Republicans on the state level need the RNC to be better at organizing.
I don't know that Trump supporters who, you know, would follow him into a burning building necessarily would turn out for every single person he endorses with the same enthusiasm.
And that's actually what the RNC needs to get serious about, in my opinion.
You've been on the campaigns longer than I have.
unidentified
Yeah, it's just that a lot of times the RNC just ignores the campaign.
You see people, I think you're going to have JR Majewski on later this week.
He got screwed by these people.
I mean, they don't take the time to actually work with the good candidates.
They work with the candidates that are going to be amenable to what they need them to do, which is go with the status quo, Go along with what gets along.
Kick back your money to us so that we have our funded operation.
It's all a money game and it's all a joke.
phil labonte
It's like the GOP is in competition with the Libertarian Party for the most useless party in America.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
It is ridiculous.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think there's just a cultural misunderstanding.
I think, you know, They are definitely not the counterculture anymore, but for all the years the DNCA said, we're the oppressed ones, we're the counterculture, come volunteer with us, be active with us.
I mean, it did translate into people who are willing to knock on doors and to be more active on a grassroots level.
RNC says grassroots, but I don't think it actually has strong organizations.
And I know the argument, you know, rural versus whatever.
phil labonte
I don't think that it's about that.
I think that the temperament of people that are conservative, it's harder to get them to be activist types.
I think that you see people that are progressives or that are upset with the status quo, it's far easier to motivate people like that to get out and have a ground game, be activists.
The people that are That are Republicans or conservatives that tend to be kind of activists.
They tend to do things with like their church or whatever.
Whereas the left, it's homeless shelters and, you know, food not bombs and, you know, that kind of stuff.
unidentified
Well, we get targeted too.
Well, we have risks.
Like, you know, you go out and you put yourself out as a conservative.
You live in an urban area.
She can tell you.
She gets more death threats than anyone I know.
It's ridiculous what we go through, so we can't run around, all of us don't have the bravery to say, yeah, I'm a conservative, yeah, I'm gonna go organize.
No, you might get really hurt.
tim pool
Well, I think that's the problem, is that conservatives tend to be cowards.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, not this one, because last year, any time, every day, I'm very vocal, very bold, and I'm out there.
And what I saw last year from a lot of candidates that really put their heart out there, their soul, gave it everything they had, Ran on that American First platform.
We got, like, no support from the party.
phil labonte
That is unconscionable and it's not a surprise.
You look at people like Scott Pressler, who's probably the most effective conservative activist when it comes to actually getting people to vote and getting people registered.
And I can't understand why the RNC and Rona McDaniels aren't like giving this guy every every single bit of help that they could possibly muster for him.
He's effective.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's twofold, though.
They'd have to admit that they are doing something wrong and they need him, and there's an ego and pride there that don't want to.
But also, the RNC, you know, has its own behind-the-scenes politics.
I think about when Larry Elder challenged Gavin Newsom in the recall, right?
And the RNC, even though he emerged as the leader, the RNC did not give him the support they should have, right?
And theoretically, that is one of the most important and, I think, undertalked about political battles that we had in recent history.
And the RNC did not even give him the fighting support that he needed, in my opinion.
There is a disconnect between what the voters want and what the administrative size of that wants.
I mean, it is sad, but you know, to your point, they ultimately know where the money is, they know where the support is, that's why they invoke Trump's name when it's convenient to them.
unidentified
And they like to be in the opposition because you raise more money if you can send an email that says, We're being screwed, they're gonna kill us all, we're destroyed, Biden's ruining us, than if you talk about results.
And it's sad, but it's true.
phil labonte
It's infuriating because that ineffectiveness and that desire to be the underdog is part of the reason why the whole of the culture is so run by the left.
And it translates to all the antisemitism and stuff that's going on in college campuses now.
If the Republicans gave people something to aspire to, the Republican Party, I mean, if they gave people something to aspire to, you wouldn't have the left dominating everywhere in our society.
And the left does dominate every institution in our society right now.
And it's starting to have real-world consequences.
And you're seeing it in the, you know, case in point, all the anti-Semitism and all the people that hate the Jews and stuff that you see in college campuses.
hannah claire brimelow
Laverne, I'm curious what your experience is as a conservative.
I mean, were you always a Republican?
How did you get to where you are?
unidentified
Like I said, with the food bang, I always had to be vocal, get out there, roll elbows with the politicians.
So what caught my attention, and I'm going to say it again, I always say it so far as myself and so many other black conservatives was that when Trump said in 2020, why don't y'all run and take back your community?
Because they're not helping you anyway.
So that's what caught my attention.
And that's when I decided to change and become a conservative.
hannah claire brimelow
And did your community react positively, negatively?
I mean, did other black conservatives decide they would support you?
unidentified
Well, it wasn't... I didn't really care if they supported me or not.
You know, I don't give a damn about that.
But, so what really... I think that, so far as my community, you know, they don't give a damn because they know when they need the help.
They can come to me.
I'm in the streets.
I'm with the homeless.
I'm with anybody that's hurting and need help.
I'm there.
Um, the community supported me, but it was just, um, you know, with the Twitter page, people started coming after me, calling me all kind of derogatory names.
And, um, you know, the Coons, the, and everything else that come along with that.
And, uh, you know, I guess they, most of them didn't know exactly who they was talking to, but they quickly found out.
hannah claire brimelow
I like that response.
I think that's really funny.
unidentified
Well, I think they thought I was gonna be afraid, you know, because they called me all the ugly names that would run me away from the party.
So, no.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from Newsweek, and we'll get silly.
I saw this earlier today.
PatrickBetDavid was interviewing Ron DeSantis, and I was really surprised.
I'm consistently impressed with PatrickBetDavid's ability to get some of these personalities on his show.
He had Anthony Weiner, now he's got Ron DeSantis.
You know, we've got two people who do booking for Timcast, and these people are terrified.
But I don't even think I go as hard as Patrick, but David does what people really want to be on his show, so we gotta learn a lesson from PBD.
He knows how to handle this.
Take a look at this story from Newsweek.
Ron DeSantis addresses rumors that he wears lifts in his boots.
Okay, let me just play the clip from the show.
Dude, I gotta play.
It's a minute long.
Here we go.
patrick bet-david
I'm sure your marketing team points out how they're trying to troll you in the marketplace.
Okay, I'm sure they're doing that.
Can you bring this one clip?
I know you were on, what do you call it?
Uh, what was it?
Bill Maher.
And Bill Maher talked about the boots.
I've seen you walk with these boots.
Go ahead and play this clip.
This on TikTok went viral.
It doesn't have a million views.
It doesn't have, you know, 10 million views.
This thing's got 1.2 million likes.
And some people are wondering.
unidentified
What are they?
I don't even know.
patrick bet-david
I haven't seen that.
They've not shown this to you.
Okay.
What they're trying to say with this is that in your boots, you have heels.
unidentified
No, no, no.
Those are just standard, off-the-rack, Lucchese... How tall are you, Governor?
5'11".
patrick bet-david
5'11"?
OK.
Why don't you wear tennis shoes and dress shoes?
unidentified
I do wear tennis shoes when I work out, yeah.
You do?
patrick bet-david
OK.
I got a gift for you.
I'd love for you to wear... OK.
I shop at Ferragamo.
unidentified
OK?
I don't accept gifts.
I can't accept it.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
Oh man, his like immediate reaction, 5-11, I'm sorry, I think Ron DeSantis wear high heels, and I just want to shout out, I think Ashley St.
Clair may have just driven the final nail into the DeSantis campaign coffin.
phil labonte
Yeah, he's not going to recover from this.
And I'm not even, I'm not being sarcastic or hyperbolic at all, he is not going to be the president, and this is, this is like his, I think the guy's name was- Howard Dean?
Yeah, the Dean moment, because I mean, The truth is, if you're like below six foot, you're not going to be the president.
People talk about, oh, half the presidents have been, you know, under six foot and half of them are over.
But how many since the advent of television have been under six foot?
hannah claire brimelow
I still think 5'11 is the height men give when they know they're not six feet.
You're nodding at me.
When you know they're not six feet, but they can't, like, officially- they want to pretend they're a little taller, so it's like, well, 5'11, like, no, no, no, they're actually, like, 5'8, and like, no, that's not bad.
I wish he would just own it, right?
phil labonte
Well, no, I mean, he- He could own it, but he's not going to.
He's never going to be the president if you're not tall.
unidentified
Can you imagine?
He went from being the governor that was the face of freedom, the governor that was basically next up in line.
If he would have waited until 2028, he would have probably been the Republican nominee.
And now instead, we're sitting around here talking about, does he wear high heels?
His best hope is to, like, get an Instagram sponsorship with a heel company.
This is what happens.
phil labonte
I don't know that I believe that he ever would be able to be the president just because of his height.
I strongly believe that if you're not... Phil, we're in a progressive, accepting society!
No, that doesn't count!
Short King exists in heels movies!
Stop, that doesn't count for men.
That is not the truth for men at all.
unidentified
But without Trump in the race, would we even be talking about it?
Trump is the one who put his people on this.
This is a Trump that, you know, nobody cared about these things necessarily.
phil labonte
It doesn't, he would get on stage and be next to someone taller and that's all it would take.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
Because I don't think that, I honestly don't believe that there is a situation where people are gonna look at, like, dudes on stage, behind a podium, and if one is significantly taller than another, they're not gonna vote for the short guy.
They're just not gonna do it.
hannah claire brimelow
We believe in you guys, come on!
tim pool
I pulled up a bunch of photos, just looking at my phone, from way before DeSantis was running for president, and I just looked up photos of Trump with DeSantis, and he looks like he's probably 5'11".
That's a fake height.
hannah claire brimelow
No men are 5'11".
They're just pretending to be single.
tim pool
Then 5'10".
Unless he's been wearing high heels the whole time, which is possible and no one noticed
until now.
phil labonte
I imagine that he probably did.
unidentified
He probably wore them as soon as he, it's probably been for a while.
Yeah.
As soon as he started dating maybe.
phil labonte
I mean if he's wearing them now, it's something that he's been concerned with.
hannah claire brimelow
We need to get a picture from when he got married because he got married in his dress
uniform which might be harder to hide lifts in and then we can do a comparison to the
That's my new theory on this.
unidentified
That photo's amazing.
He's floating into the sky.
tim pool
This is what a lot of people said about this picture right here, that his, uh...
Like they think he's wearing these fake shoes otherwise he's got really long legs.
unidentified
Fibula?
hannah claire brimelow
Well the one that's like there's no way any human has this length of bone except for Ron DeSantis.
tim pool
Yeah someone said DeSantis' heel lifts are so high it looks like he's being photographed mid-rapture.
hannah claire brimelow
I just think if he had less body.
tim pool
Unless it's photoshopped, I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I just wish he had responded to this more positively, embraced it with humor, because it would have been a different... I don't know that it would have changed his campaign completely, but it would have given him the personality that right now people critique him for not having, right?
unidentified
He's humorless, he's lifeless, that's the problem with him.
hannah claire brimelow
And this was this perfect moment to do something, and I just sadly didn't embrace it, right?
I'm not trying to make him feel bad about his height, you know?
He can be any height he wants to be, apparently, but...
It doesn't have to be like this and they made it this weird sticking point that now people are always going to try and bring up.
phil labonte
I don't, I mean, I still strongly feel like... Phil will only have a tall president, I guess.
It's not about, it's not about, it's about the way that people unconsciously react.
It's not something that people are going to be able to identify on their own.
They're going to say, they'll just be like, I don't know, the other guy just looks more presidential.
It'll be, he's more commanding.
I trust him.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a deep part of human psychology.
phil labonte
It is all about charisma, and when it comes to men, taller men are looked at as an authority.
That is just the way people react.
No one thinks about it at all.
It's attractive privilege.
It's 100% attractive privilege, and that's the way that it pans out for men.
With women, if you're a large woman, you're not as attractive as smaller, petite women.
That's just reality.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's even beyond attractiveness.
I think, you know, some of the stuff that we look for to indicate health well-being that are deep in our psychology that, you know, they're young and vibrant.
Height is one of them.
I mean, even babies in, you know, tiny newborn babies prefer symmetrical faces.
There is something deep in our minds that looks to seek for indicators of health or strength or whatever it is.
I just think, you know, maybe he could never have been president, but I just think the way his team handled this was...
unidentified
How tall is the demented guy in the office right now, Mr. Biden?
How tall is he?
He's six feet.
Wow, okay.
tim pool
Imagine if Ron just said, well, I can't accept the gift, but I can try him on.
And then stood up and put him on.
unidentified
You gotta get out of the lifts.
They're probably tough to get out of though.
tim pool
Because the thing about it is that this clip, this image right here, it's like the third time we've talked about this.
The front of his foot looks like it's smashed up against the boot, like it's really tight on his foot.
hannah claire brimelow
There's a clip from an old late night show when Jake Gyllenhaal, people are like, how tall is he?
And so he just takes off his shoes and they measure him on the set of whatever generic late night show it is.
He comes up less than six foot, maybe 5'11", maybe 5'10", and he just sort of nods along and laughs with it and then that question just dies away, no one asks that anymore.
And I think making this into sort of an internet meme is way worse.
unidentified
Terrible.
It just makes him look like a joke.
It makes him look insecure.
tim pool
Outside of this, Patrick bet David asking him the question was a tremendous opportunity to end it, and he doesn't have the charisma to do that.
His response is, well first of all, the fact that he's never seen it, But that's a lie.
unidentified
He's seen it.
He's probably cries himself to sleep watching it.
tim pool
But that's just that's his thing.
He should have been like, Oh, I've seen this clip.
I've seen this clip.
Yeah, that's a good one.
It's not real.
But instead, he's like, What?
I've never seen this.
It's like you never said no, then you got a terrible PR team.
That's not actually, you know, I wonder if It's true.
He really has never seen it.
hannah claire brimelow
Which would make it seem like his PR team is like, he's so insecure about his height we have to hide it from him.
That's not great either.
tim pool
He hired the worst possible people in communications imaginable who took the frontrunner to the bottom.
phil labonte
If you're running for the office of president and you don't think that image is important, you're gonna lose.
Period.
You have to understand that most people make their decision about you with their gut.
They don't think about it.
They rationalize their emotional reaction after the fact.
That's just the way human beings work.
If you don't portray yourself in a charismatic way, the reason people love Trump is because he's charismatic in a way that's attractive to them.
That's also the thing that some people find repulsive.
Nobody likes Trump because of his policies.
Because Trump doesn't have any policies.
The policies are going to change depending on the last person he spoke to.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
phil labonte
That's true.
tim pool
No, no, no.
His policies change depending on what Tucker Carlson said then.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
Okay, depending on what Tucker Carlson does.
tim pool
But to be fair, there's that Tucker Carlson anchor on Trump, you know what I mean?
phil labonte
I mean, I think that Tucker Carlson puts thought into the policies that he would or would not back.
I don't think Trump does.
I think Trump is just driven by his gut.
unidentified
See, but we can forgive stuff that Trump does because of his charisma.
phil labonte
That's because he's charismatic, yeah!
unidentified
You can't forgive DeSantis because, I mean, he's like a lump on a log.
It's just, it doesn't work.
hannah claire brimelow
And Trump has proven that he's tall, because Barron is, like, what, 607 feet tall?
unidentified
That's the comparison.
Put DeSantis next to Barron.
hannah claire brimelow
He will never stand next to Barron Trump.
tim pool
It's going to be Trump Trump 2024, Barron as VP.
And he's just, like, 10 feet tall at this point.
Everyone's just like, we must vote.
hannah claire brimelow
His knees don't fit under the desk.
He's just so enormously tall.
phil labonte
Barron's going to be the first emperor to be superior.
tim pool
uh... statute in the constitution that says it'd be at least thirty five the
unidentified
president or at least a detail please and their jobs are not my way and
tim pool
qualified this is
well that's uh... that's your presidential news outside of uh...
unidentified
donald trusts skipped over pence dropping out over the weekend
all of that's how abhorring that but campaign has been when i will grant
tim pool
pittsburgh and i'm like i look at my phone it's like mike pence has
dropped out of the And I was like, oh, and I hit retweet, and I was like, what
unidentified
were we talking about again?
Nobody cares.
tim pool
What were we eating?
I think we had, what did I have for dinner?
Thai food.
Thai food.
hannah claire brimelow
I said it to my stepmom.
unidentified
Much more interesting than Pence.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I told my stepmom, I was like, oh, Pence dropped out, and she's like, didn't he already do that?
He's running?
unidentified
He dropped out January 6, 2021 in Rio.
tim pool
To be fair, to be fair, you know, even the fact that we're making fun of Ron DeSantis is better than Nikki Haley.
She's just, I don't know, she's in second place and is a lump on a log.
unidentified
She's loved by a certain crowd, though.
Over 60-year-olds, they absolutely love this woman, and it's this old war mentality, this old America has to be in charge, and the police state, you know, and all that stuff.
tim pool
Well, someone's gotta blow up these kids, right?
Yeah.
unidentified
I want a Department of Offense, not defense.
tim pool
Is that what she said?
unidentified
Yeah, she said, I want a Department of Offense.
You go fight, woman.
tim pool
I mean, that was a joke I made a long time ago to my friends, that we don't have a Department of Defense, we have a Department of Offense, and all my anti-war buddies are laughing, and now she's just coming out and saying it, so...
phil labonte
Who does she want to go to war with?
unidentified
Everybody.
You name a country.
phil labonte
I mean fair enough.
unidentified
War with Italy if she could.
phil labonte
But I just I don't see I mean currently there's there's the argument that Iran is is funding Hezbollah and that it's possible that there'd be some kind of engagement but that is Pretty far down the road, still, and I don't think that it's a direction that we should be trying to go.
The American people have no desire to go to war with Iran, at all.
unidentified
The American people don't have an appetite for war right now.
tim pool
Right now, American people don't want to go to war for anything!
unidentified
We just want to fund proxy wars through Ukraine and everywhere else.
Can you imagine they send our people to fight in Ukraine?
Our soldiers to fight a war in Ukraine?
tim pool
Well, they've already deployed thousands to Europe for the war in Ukraine.
unidentified
Disgusting.
tim pool
And we have special forces there.
unidentified
These are lives of people.
They don't understand that part.
tim pool
Now I guess Ukraine's kind of following the back burner, Zelensky is the, you know, he's yesterday's news.
unidentified
Back on Seeking Arrangement looking for a new sugar daddy.
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
phil labonte
I think that the war in Ukraine has been basically decided.
You okay down there?
hannah claire brimelow
No, this is so funny!
phil labonte
It's true.
I mean, I don't think that anyone that's serious believes that Russia is going to give up any of the territory that they've taken.
And I don't see any reason why the U.S.
should keep giving money to Ukraine.
I don't think Russia is looking to take more territory in Ukraine either.
If the Ukrainians and the Russians can say, OK, this is it.
I think that it could they could have some kind of ceasefire.
There would have to be there's going to be new new borders drawn.
and that's just the way it's gonna be.
hannah claire brimelow
Zelensky doesn't want that.
We'd have to stop paying him so much money.
phil labonte
Well, nobody in the U.S.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not just fun for him.
phil labonte
The U.S. doesn't want that either because they'd have to stop laundering money through.
unidentified
It's true.
Everybody's making a killing.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not gonna launder itself.
That's so true.
unidentified
Everybody's making a killing on this one.
I hate to say it, the best thing that could happen would be Russia wins and we don't have to deal with it.
Russia did win.
Because if Ukraine rebuilds, guess who's rebuilding?
Everybody in here is taxed up.
tim pool
Russia won.
It's fascinating if you look at the start of the war and the territory gained by Russia, and the argument I get from more establishment conservative types is, no, no, Russia wanted the whole country.
Like, no, they wanted the land bridge to Crimea.
Like, that's what we've been saying non-stop.
Now they have it, and now nothing's changed.
There's no advancing, it's just locked, and Russia got what they wanted.
unidentified
Yeah, and we'll never know when it really ends because the money laundering would stop.
tim pool
So this will go on into the next, I mean... Well, no, I think it'll likely end because Israel's firing up.
unidentified
True, that's a good point.
They gotta figure out just how to launder it right through there.
Once they get the bank accounts all set up.
I don't think we should be sending any more money to Ukraine when we have people right here in the United States that are suffering and cannot afford to pay their rent and are staying and sleeping in the streets.
phil labonte
Amen.
tim pool
Yep.
That's as simple as that, isn't it?
unidentified
Sure is.
tim pool
But for some reason, you get Mitch McConnell.
What did he say?
The biggest priority was funding for Ukraine?
unidentified
Yeah, funding Ukraine.
He should go over there.
He can have his little strokes in the next Zelensky.
phil labonte
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
Him and Lindsey Graham.
Deploy them first.
I mean, that's the craziest thing.
At least Nikki Haley's husband is actively deployed right now.
He's in Africa.
But, you know, she therefore is willing to send her own husband to war.
It's a bold choice on my opinion.
But, you know, all of the politicians who call for funding for war want to send your children and your siblings and your cousins.
They don't want to go themselves and they don't want anyone they actually know or are related to to go.
unidentified
I think Lindsey just likes the war stuff because it makes him look more masculine and we all know what's going on there.
tim pool
Oh, I think these people are just funded by massive multinational corporations and the military-industrial complex, and so they're gonna go on TV and warmonger.
100%.
But let's jump to this story from Deadline.
Joe Biden talks about watching an AI-generated deepfake of himself.
I said, when the hell did I say that?
So apparently Biden wants to launch some AI safety regulations and guidelines and things like this.
They say President Biden signed an executive order on AI billing the U.S.
as out front of other countries when it comes to establishing guardrails around the fast emerging technology.
But Biden told those gathered in the East Room that other steps will require congressional action.
That will be a much more complicated process as lawmakers have been in a stalemate for years when it comes to any meaningful action on tech giants.
Speaking to reporters after the White House ceremony, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said that all of his effort to craft a bill, this is about the hardest thing I have attempted to undertake legislatively because it is so complicated.
Because A, it's so complicated.
B, it affects every aspect of society.
Schumer said that he and the rest of the bipartisan group of lawmakers will meet with Biden on Tuesday to talk about the legislation.
I think we're in a post-legislation era of this country.
I don't think legislation's gonna get passed unless it's nonsensical and irrelevant or jammed into an omnibus.
And, uh, when it comes to major issues like AI, it's just going to happen, and no one's going to do anything about any of it.
So you look at where the internet is today, and kids have access to adult content, and nobody cares.
In fact, there are libertarians who argue they should.
It's the parents' fault, and I'm like, Well, I guess.
It's like saying it's parents' fault if a kid sneaks, if a kid goes to an adult bookstore and the guy lets him in.
I think at a certain point there is a shared responsibility between the people granting the access and the parents who are supposed to be watching their kids.
With that being said, AI stuff is just going to keep happening.
There's not going to be any regulation, and it's going to get wild, and then that's it.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
You live in the pod, you'll eat the book.
unidentified
And China's going to control it all.
Yep.
phil labonte
I feel confident that China, whether or not the U.S.
passes some kind of restrictions, because Marc Andreessen is frequently talking about doing some kind of limit on, he really wants a full stop on AI research because he thinks that it can get out of hand real fast.
But I think that that doesn't really matter because it's not going to be something that the whole world is going to abide by.
Even if the U.S.
companies or companies that had A large portion of their business done in the U.S.
Even if they committed to stopping, that doesn't mean China's going to stop.
And I don't think that China is as cutting edge as the U.S.
is, but I think that they would be or they will be quickly if the U.S.
stops developing, if U.S.
firms and companies stop developing.
I mean, right now, Google's as much of the military industrial complex as Raytheon is.
Like, they are exactly the same type of You know, involvement with the warfare state and the surveillance state.
So there's no incentive for these companies to actually stop, no matter what the president passes or executive order he says.
I just don't see it happening.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and for me, part of the danger with AI is that it's marketed as just something fun that we try out and play right now.
I mean, every time you get access to, you know, Photoshop just unveiled a tool that uses AI.
So you can use AI to generate things, but that is refining the AI.
The more exposure, the more people use it, the more essentially free beta testing they have for it, the more complicated of a tool it becomes to unravel.
And I just don't think that And look, I openly identify as a boomer in terms of technology, but I just don't think there's any way for the people who are legislating to legislate effectively and passively enough to be ahead of this.
We're already behind it.
That's why we're trying to play catch-up.
And I certainly don't know anyone who can effectively talk about the ramifications of AI in a way that would eventually make it into an effective law.
unidentified
Half of them can't even open an email, and they're the people that are going to do our AI legislation.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it was one of the Democratic congressmen from North Carolina He used to do TikToks from the Capitol and he was like, today I met with, you know, the head of technology at the Capitol to get my laptop.
And he deadpanned asked me if I needed him to show, needed help learning how to open the laptop and learning how to launch an email.
unidentified
Wow.
Feinstein basically stayed there dead for six months.
So it's just, it's ridiculous.
And these are supposed to be our leaders.
tim pool
The executive order is basically going to direct the Department of Commerce to develop standards for authentication and watermarking.
Impossible!
They'll make the standard, it'll be exploited by them.
That's what they'll do.
They'll make a standard, and they'll say, this label certifies a video organic, and then they'll just charge companies for that organic label.
So you're gonna be a news organization, and you're gonna go to this system, and you're gonna be like, we're gonna upload the video, we're gonna certify it, and then they're gonna stamp it, and then you're gonna pay your monthly fee or whatever, or your license per content fee.
Just like if you were getting other government stamps on your product.
hannah claire brimelow
Or if you're an independent journalist and you take video on the ground, what's to stop anyone else from saying, oh no, this doesn't have the right certification, or you didn't upload it correctly, or we have questions about this, so now we're gonna lock down your content because we think it potentially could be AI generated based on literally nothing other than we don't really like what you're filming.
I mean, it's not that I don't want there to be regulation, I think AI is, I'm fearful of it, but it's just hard to think of a way that would be effective and not open a whole bunch of other problems.
Anyways, I can ram on.
I'll just continue to talk about why I'm scared of AI.
Okay, here we go.
No, I mean, this is the thing.
I've had other people suggest to me that when I'm doing research for articles that I should turn to ChatGPT and like ask it questions.
And ChatGPT can be an incredibly effective tool, but I was just sitting with someone in the office who was using it to double check a math equation and ChatGPT got it wrong.
And so You just can't trust that the AI intelligence is actually reliable, right?
I mean, it eventually will develop its own agenda.
I do not trust it.
I don't care what Elon says.
phil labonte
I'm not convinced that AI will ever be creative, because currently AI is a...
Essentially, it can only know what's on the internet now.
It doesn't come up with any ideas of its own.
So I don't, and I'm not in any position to make an authoritative statement about AI, but I am skeptical that it could be creative in the way that human beings are.
tim pool
Sure, but I imagine, you know, once it reads every book and listens to every song, it's going, it's already at that point where it knows what people like and then can make pop music.
Granted, if you want to make art music, sure, weird experimental and weird sounds, it could certainly do that, just increase the instability in the algorithm and then it'll output something a little bit weirder.
So I don't know what creativity is going to mean in that context.
phil labonte
When I say creativity, I'm more thinking in not so much creative art style or musically, but creative as in innovations in fields like I don't think the AI is going to figure out how to do cold fusion.
tim pool
I disagree, I think it will.
phil labonte
You think it can figure out cold fusion?
Because my impression is that without the information already being there, I feel like it wouldn't be able to come up with innovations.
tim pool
So it's like Sudoku.
So they've, uh, the periodic table, for instance, periodic table of elements, when it was first made, there was like huge gaps in it.
And they were like, there's probably something there based on this already, and then we're filling it in, and they were like, whoa, there's like a whole section here.
And so what I think, it's gonna be like a Sudoku puzzle.
Once enough data is plugged into the AI, it's going to spit out, hey guys, see these things right here?
There's a particle there, a particle there, there's an element there, we're gonna be like, wow, we could not see these things.
And then, it's not gonna know, it's gonna say, based on all of the pieces laid out, I'll put it this way.
We're loading all the puzzle pieces of this 50 billion piece jigsaw puzzle into this machine, and then it's sorting them, and then showing us the picture, and we're like, there's huge gaps in where there should be things here.
Now we know what pieces are missing.
We know what to look for.
But it's also going to be able to predict what those pieces are going to be, especially on like, you know, things like elements, for instance, and particles and permutations of various compounds or whatever.
It's going to be able to be like this.
You know, I remember watching these old movies where The scientist, like, inputs into the computer, you know, a formula, and then presses enter, and then it's like, formula unstable, and I'm like, well, how's the computer know?
And I'm like, oh, back then, probably not, but today, yes.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
You'll be able to input a sequence, and then it'll tell you, like, here's what will happen if you do this.
unidentified
It's gonna know much more than we can think.
It's gonna really advance, I think, exponentially, very fast.
tim pool
Instantly.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's gonna be a very, very quick transition.
Within ten years, it's gonna be really advanced.
tim pool
I don't think ten years.
unidentified
You think even faster than that?
tim pool
Even faster than that, because when the singularity happens, it will be instant.
unidentified
It's scary, because they'll use it against us somehow.
It always starts good.
tim pool
It will use itself against us.
unidentified
Yeah, it's going to be a tool that's going to end up probably destroying us like everything else ends up being.
We said, oh, Alexa, even Alexa was so good.
Alexa's reporting people to the cops.
hannah claire brimelow
I never understood the draw to Alexa because it's always listening.
It's always listening.
It's like you bugged your own home on behalf of Amazon.
unidentified
How many crimes has Alexa turned in their owners for?
It's ridiculous.
Do they really?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
I know a few people got caught on camera.
I don't know them personally, but I see them on.
hannah claire brimelow
You can subpoena the recordings from Alexa.
unidentified
Yes.
The first thing you should do is get those things the hell out of your house.
It's craziness.
It's craziness.
hannah claire brimelow
I had a boss who was like, we'll put them in every office.
And I was like, I have to leave this job.
phil labonte
Everyone should understand that if you have concerns about Alexa, you should make sure you shouldn't have a smartphone.
unidentified
No, you need to keep that in mind.
hannah claire brimelow
We should all move to the woods and the mountains.
unidentified
I agree.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, this is the hard thing, which is that I understand some technology is really valuable and can change the lives of people, advance business, this, that, and the other.
But ultimately, what are we sacrificing to pay for it, right?
All these things, especially, again, I go back to sort of the free access to AI or low-cost access to some AI programs that are essentially allowing you to test AI out, and it's testing you out.
There is a cost, and we're not going to know it until it's too late, and that's what I'm fearful of.
phil labonte
I have Alexa in my apartment, but I don't have Alexa at my house in New Hampshire.
hannah claire brimelow
Why would you have it in your apartment, Phil?
phil labonte
Because it's just the apartment.
It's not the house in New Hampshire.
hannah claire brimelow
You're crazy.
phil labonte
It's not the Fortress of Solitude.
hannah claire brimelow
You should protect all of the fortresses, even your satellite office here in West Virginia.
phil labonte
The apartment is not a fortress.
hannah claire brimelow
So you can talk to your dog when you're gone.
Is that what you're saying?
phil labonte
No.
hannah claire brimelow
A little bit?
unidentified
No, no, not at all.
tim pool
Let's just jump to this wild story here.
This was the big story of the day.
So, you know, we can talk about a lot of news, Donald Trump's being sued, but the story that was sweeping across the internet.
From Human Events.
British police open investigation into death of hockey player Adam Johnson, who was killed by opposing players Skateblade.
Uh, simple version of the story.
A dude got his throat slit by an ice hockey skate and then bled out in the ring.
Died, presumably, very, very quickly.
I mean, there's video of it.
It's horrifying.
However, the media kept calling this a freak accident over and over again.
And then, when the video came out, it looks like this dude, Matt Petgrave, raises his leg to kick the other guy.
And, uh, there's video of it.
I don't want to play the video because we're out here to play shock content.
But it does look like a kick, but I will play a little bit.
I won't show any of the aftermath because it's gruesome.
But the first thing I want to do is I want to show you this.
Jack Posobiec has this tweet in the article.
He says, read this to the end.
Let's read it.
So this is a post, I believe, that was on Reddit, and it says, to all the people calling Matt Petgrave a murderer, if you seriously think Matt Petgrave murdered Adam Johnson, go F yourself.
The guy was bawling his eyes out on the ice and in the dressing room, and probably still is right now.
He's going to have to live with this for the rest of his life, and the last thing he needs is people calling him a murderer.
The claim that he purposefully kicked his leg up has some merit and is a possibility, but to say that he meant to seriously hurt or kill Adam Johnson is pathetic and disgusting.
If he did purposefully put his leg out, He did so to get in the way of or block Adam Johnson from making progress as the puck carrier, not to slice his neck open.
His foot clearly clipped the skate of another player causing him to lose balance, so even if it did kick his leg out, he had very little control over where his leg was going.
Now notice, they say, it has merit that he raised his leg, but he didn't intend to do it.
Perhaps the man, Petgrave, was bawling his eyes out because he did try to kick this guy, didn't mean to kill him, but did, right?
So, a teenager is joyriding in his car and speeding, and then he crashes into someone killing him.
Is he crying his eyes out?
Yes.
The woman in New York City, the young woman, she pushed an old lady.
Old lady fell over and died.
Did she cry in court?
She sure did.
Does that mean that these people are innocent?
So we have this video.
And uh let me refresh it see if I can try and I don't want to play too much but I'm really wants to play at all uh let's see if we can pull it up and I don't want to play too much but I want to just scroll through you can see right here this is uh Matt Petgraven red highlighted and this is Adam Johnson and then you can see him He lifts his leg up.
There's no reason for him to raise his leg like that.
In fact, if he's losing his balance, that's the last thing he's going to want to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He raises his leg up right there.
You can see it.
And then hits this guy in the neck.
But not something we normally talk about, but this is basically the biggest story, I think, right now.
Yeah, it's like the only thing anybody's talking about.
And it's like it's causing a lot of contentious debate.
And as someone who doesn't... I played hockey when I was little.
So this was like...
It looks like murder to me.
serge du preez
Yeah.
I mean at least like an intentional manslaughter charges and like that because I've played hockey well well enough to know that like if I'm in the position he was in why would I be lifting my out my out my in this case inside leg that high there's just no there's no reason to maybe Adam Johnson was leaning down and that brought his neck in connection to like the blade but still everyone that uses skates knows that skates are sharp probably hasn't sharp too he's playing professionally or amateur I don't know.
tim pool
Yes bro.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Pro stuff.
I mean, this guy knows, there's no question.
People are pointing out that the guy who did the kick has like the most penalties, but I don't know.
I don't, it's European hockey, so I don't know anything about it.
phil labonte
European hockey.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they get the penalties for just using the wrong pronouns.
It's crazy.
tim pool
That's right.
Straight to jail.
That's Europe, straight to jail.
phil labonte
Straight to jail.
hannah claire brimelow
Straight to hockey jail.
phil labonte
I don't know about murder, but manslaughter seems reasonable.
tim pool
Murder, nope, nope.
And this is what really, this is one of the things that got me like, okay, we're going to talk, Human Events has a story.
Manslaughter would be like, you're speeding, uh, no actually that would still be like a negligent homicide, which I, I don't, the laws vary by state.
I think Illinois has negligent homicide.
And that's like, if you're speeding in your car and you hit somebody and they die.
Manslaughter is usually like, you're going too fast for the conditions, but you're going the speed limit.
You slip, hit the brakes, spin out of control, hit someone and kill them.
And then they say, you could have avoided this.
Manslaughter is usually like someone died as a result of you being irresponsible.
serge du preez
Yeah, right.
tim pool
Whereas negligent homicide is like, you may have been committing a crime, you were speeding, but it's not like the most serious thing in the world.
And then in this instance, if dude was intentionally trying to kick the guy, That's grievous bodily harm murder.
If you intend to... Like that woman in New York, she shoved the old lady.
Yeah, she's going to prison for eight years.
unidentified
That's it?
tim pool
Eight years?
That's it?
unidentified
She shoved the lady on purpose?
I'm sorry.
tim pool
A young woman pushed an old lady.
unidentified
On purpose.
tim pool
On purpose.
unidentified
And she died.
tim pool
And the old lady fell down, hit her head and died.
And so they're putting the young woman in prison for eight years.
She should not be going to prison for eight years for that.
unidentified
Okay, I didn't see this one, so I'm not sure.
tim pool
Like, shoving someone is barely a misdemeanor.
Okay.
unidentified
This woman in New York who did it... Oh, it wasn't into the subway.
She just shoved her gently.
No, no, no.
tim pool
She pushed her on the sidewalk.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
I thought she was... Because in New York, they're shoving everyone into the subway.
It's like you go on the subway, you're getting pushed into the subway.
tim pool
Well, I can see your confusion on the issue.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
No, she pushed an old lady on the sidewalk.
The old lady fell down and died.
unidentified
Oh, okay, okay.
tim pool
And then she was like...
I didn't mean to kill her, I just pushed her.
And so they gave her eight years just for that.
Now this dude kicked a guy in the... You know, was trying to kick a guy and he's wearing ice skates.
That's murder.
Second-degree murder.
Intending to cause bodily harm that results in death.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I just can't imagine being anyone that was on the ice that day.
You know what I mean?
I mean, every report that I saw said that the guy died basically on live TV and that's tragic.
tim pool
The crazy thing is...
On the 28th, I was in Pittsburgh.
hannah claire brimelow
Such a great city, I've heard.
tim pool
It is a great city.
And I was walking with Allison, my girlfriend, and I left my coat at the hotel.
And so, you know, it started to drizzle a little bit.
It wasn't super cold out, but the drizzle was a little chilly.
And I'm like, well, I should grab a light jacket or something.
I don't actually have one.
I have like a crazy snowboard jacket.
And so there's a bunch of these stores and they're all selling Steelers merch, Pittsburgh Steelers, football.
And so I'm like, I'll just get like a Steelers thing.
It'll be like a souvenir.
I'll grab it.
I go into the store.
Everything is Steelers, this Steelers, that.
And then I walk in the back and there's this gray, like, waterproof thin jacket.
I'm like, I'll grab this.
And then as I walk up to the counter, I notice it's a Pittsburgh Penguins jacket.
And I was like, oh, it's hockey.
I was like, I don't even know what this is.
hannah claire brimelow
Because they're off-season right now.
unidentified
I forget about hockey.
tim pool
This guy, on that day when I was buying that, Uh, used to play for the- this guy used to play for the Pittsburgh Penguins.
He's now playing in, uh, in the UK.
Was he playing for the Panthers?
No, no, not the Panthers.
I'm not sure.
But he's playing in the UK, used to play on the Penguins, and the guy, Petgrave, is on a team called the Sheffield Steelers.
hannah claire brimelow
So weird.
tim pool
I just thought that was kind of weird that a guy who played in the Penguins, at the same time as this is happening, I'm buying a Penguins jacket by accident at a Steelers store, a fan store, and the guy who clipped him in the neck played for the Steelers.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
unidentified
What do they think they're gonna do?
Do we think they're gonna do anything about this?
They're investigating him.
tim pool
Oh, I mean, dude, the UK?
unidentified
Nah.
tim pool
They're gonna investigate him and they're gonna let him go and they're gonna arrest his neighbor for selling the wrong product.
unidentified
Oh, he's black.
serge du preez
That would be very racist.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Yeah, definitely.
Also, it was listed in the chat here that he has 71 penalties in 11 games.
tim pool
Is that a lot?
serge du preez
I mean, 71 penalties is quite a bit.
You're definitely...
unidentified
71 in 11 games?
That's like...
I don't...
I'm not a math guy, but that's like...
It's a lot.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's quite a bit.
It's a lot.
hannah claire brimelow
It's numerous ones per game.
It would be interesting to see this go to trial.
I don't know what the charge would be, but, you know, the defense obviously can argue
in a murder case, you know, he...
It was an accident, he was on ice, he didn't mean to, whatever else, and then the other
people have all these things to point with already.
I mean, if the media has dug up his penalty record, what else is there?
I mean, did these people exchange worlds in the locker room?
There's all kinds of avenues to pursue.
tim pool
Nah, they're playing on different teams.
I'm not sharing a locker room.
hannah claire brimelow
You know what I mean?
Like, any kind of argument to say this guy has a history of being aggressive, it would be interesting.
I don't think anyone would be satisfied by the outcome, ultimately.
unidentified
Yeah, it'll be a lot of controversy.
Well, hockey is an aggressive sport, so most of them are pretty aggressive.
tim pool
Oh yeah, he does play for the Panthers, I think.
Yeah, the Nottingham Panthers.
serge du preez
Nottingham, yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
I had no idea the UK did hockey, not at all.
tim pool
European League.
unidentified
Yeah, no clue.
tim pool
Yes, so a lot of people are saying, you know, Ian Milestrong says it should be manslaughter at minimum.
And I can't believe... Manslaughter is just like...
No, it's murder.
If you, if you, if like, if you attack someone and they die, you murdered them.
But I guess the argument is because they're playing sports or something.
There's a degree of like mutual understanding of physical bodily harm or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, but they've got to understand, you put your leg up, you're wearing a blade on you.
They do that.
hannah claire brimelow
And murder, you have to prove intent, right?
I mean, that's part of it.
Whereas manslaughter is different.
unidentified
Manslaughter is just, he died.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he died because of your action.
unidentified
I don't know if they have the laws exactly the same over there.
We're talking about it through the American legal system.
I don't know what their legal system is over there.
I lived over there, but I never murdered or manslaughtered anyone, so I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
You didn't have to experience it first hand?
unidentified
No, I never had to, so... You know what's crazy?
tim pool
A lot of people are bringing up the Clint Malarchick.
Is that how you pronounce his name?
Malarchick?
1989.
There's a video of this too.
He's a goalie.
They crash into him, and then he got his throat slit as well.
And then, Serge was mentioning this, like, the guy runs up and then, like, pinches the artery shut or whatever.
That's crazy, like, I don't even know what you do.
Like, I don't even understand how a doctor could save a person who's bleeding from their neck.
Like, what do you do to stop that?
Because the blood's gotta go to your brain, man.
Can they like pinch it off and the blood just comes from the other side or something?
That's crazy.
phil labonte
If you can prevent it from getting out of the body, like if you pinch and close it, like if you can basically put your thumb over without actually stopping all the blood, I suppose.
tim pool
It keeps the flow going?
phil labonte
I mean, not that I'm saying that it would be easy, or that it's something, like a task I could accomplish, but a doctor, I assume.
unidentified
Yeah, but not on a hockey field, probably, in that... Well, no, they do!
I mean, he did!
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, 1989.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Guy ran up and, like, grabbed his neck and pinched the artery shut and saved his life.
This one, I guess they didn't know what to do.
unidentified
Well, I mean, now the doctors are all affirmative action doctors hired for... There was no doctors.
Yeah, well, whatever.
tim pool
There were none.
They're on a hockey field, on a hockey rink, and they all just, like, he's holding it, and it's just spraying and pouring out.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and they probably take that guy with his thumb in the neck to the hospital with him.
They can't pull his finger out until the last second, until they're ready to do something.
serge du preez
I believe the guy in the video with Malachuk was an ex-combat vet from Vietnam, so he'd encountered it before.
He knew what he had to do, which is a really particular thing, but... Man.
tim pool
God.
It's crazy when I see these stories because people need to realize a single sentence can save a person's life.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
tim pool
I'm not saying anything could have been done here, I really don't know.
If you watch the video, I mean, blood is spraying out so profusely.
Apparently within 10 seconds he collapsed onto the floor and then he was dead.
Like he lost way too much blood.
hannah claire brimelow
Probably before they could even pull the cameras away.
I mean, that's the craziest thing, how fast this happened.
tim pool
But there's a lot of stories of people who die and don't need to if people just knew, like, a single sentence.
You know?
So in this instance, like, what do you do when someone's got a femoral bleed or arterial bleed or whatever if someone just said to you, The single sentence of how to make a tourniquet, you could save a person's life.
And it's the craziest thing I think about this, like the time span between someone is injured, 30 seconds later, they're dead.
They lost too much blood.
And if you only knew that one sentence, they'd be alive right now.
That's scary.
phil labonte
Or if you had first aid equipment on you, you know, it's not, it's not hard to carry a blowout kit.
I got a tourniquet like sitting under the table here, man.
tim pool
That's crazy.
phil labonte
You're not going to do any good for a jugular butt.
tim pool
I always think about these moments, man.
There's a viral video on YouTube.
It's an old video of sports injuries that result in paralysis, and it's this nightmare fuel.
But there's one video where a guy playing basketball gets frustrated, so he bangs his head on the bar, whatever you call it, the bar that holds up the hoop.
He's just angry.
unidentified
He's like, oh!
tim pool
And he hits his head, and then he goes rigid and falls over.
Paralyzed.
unidentified
Forever.
tim pool
Yeah, forever.
unidentified
God.
tim pool
Yup.
Cause it like, he hit it and it like, hit it, it got, hit something in his neck and then his neck went out and then he fell down and he was like, that's it.
He can't move.
There's that crazy video of that girl trying to do the milk crate challenge.
phil labonte
Oh God.
unidentified
You know if they're doing that kind of shit.
tim pool
She falls down and then she's like on her, her spine.
unidentified
It's like, ugh.
hannah claire brimelow
No, the one I saw was this girl was at a bachelorette party and someone pushed her into a pool.
I think it was the bride and then she's paralyzed.
tim pool
From falling in the pool?
hannah claire brimelow
She hit like the edge, it was like an above-ground pool, and she hit the edge of it.
unidentified
What do you do from that?
hannah claire brimelow
I can't remember if she's paralyzed or she died, but it was really, really bad.
These things that people do accidentally can have extreme consequences.
That's where, like, with the hockey video, I think he probably intentionally kicked his leg up, but was it intentional, like, I'm trying to kill him?
unidentified
You're not gonna kill someone on camera in front of all those people.
You know what I mean?
If you're angry at him, you wanna go kill him, you're gonna take him out bad.
tim pool
He thought he was gonna kick him.
serge du preez
So yeah, because it makes sense the pads you're wearing hockey game kick right here would not be life-ending But I think he probably was leaning too far forward.
He's like it's you're on ice.
You know, I don't know what happened He really leaned too forward and he connected with the neck and that's man.
So it's all good.
unidentified
So it's gonna happen one cut That's crazy I feel bad for the families, to be honest.
hannah claire brimelow
They're having to watch everyone speculate about all this.
Both sides on air.
It must be awful to be going through this right now.
tim pool
Well, I guess the question of imprisonment and criminal charges is, what are we trying to do?
What is the goal?
Did this guy, Matt Petgrave, intentionally kick Adam Johnson to kill him?
I don't think anyone thinks Petgrave was trying to kill the guy.
No.
So how is putting him in prison serving anyone's goals?
It makes the family of Adam Johnson feel better.
I don't know if that's the appropriate means of how we spend money on our taxes.
I mean, great, it's the UK, I get it.
But thinking about it in the United States, like I was talking about that woman who pushed the old lady, and I'm like, why is she going to prison for eight years?
She pushed an old lady.
She'll never do it again.
She's probably traumatized.
So what's the point of prison?
It's to make the family of the old lady feel better because now she's being punished for eight years.
Well, that's gonna destroy her life.
I don't think it's actually fixing any of the problems.
Perhaps the idea is we'll send a message.
They want to make an example so that everybody knows that if you push an old lady and she dies, you're gonna prison like this lady.
And then it's just like you're sacrificing one person for a message to be sent to everybody else.
I'm never a fan of this.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think it's a fear of people who exhibit somewhat violent tendencies.
How do we manage that?
I mean, think about the guy, and his name is slipping my mind right now, who Daniel Penney had in that chokehold on the subway, and then he had this consistent history of attacking people on the subway.
kill anyone as far as I know, but on the other hand caused very serious bodily harm, broke, you know, an elderly woman's jaw, different things like that.
He had a consistent pattern of violence and there were minimal, you know, interactions with social workers and the criminal justice system and ultimately, you know, he was once again in a position to be dangerous and violent.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
No, Daniel Perrini, he did a great service that day.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I mean, it's just a question of, you know, what is the point and role of the criminal justice system?
And, you know, you don't want to punish people too harshly who have learned a lesson.
On the other hand, we know that there are people who escalate in their violence over time.
phil labonte
Currently, the criminal justice system is to manufacture the proper opinions and to punish people for having the right opinions and behaving It's a joke.
unidentified
You have CVS.
They have pictures in DC on 8th Street.
They have pictures of the toilet paper rolls so you can tell the people the brand that you want, but they don't have the actual toilet paper out because it'll be stolen.
So we're talking about a criminal justice system like that.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story.
We got this from NBC Bay Area.
Alameda County D.A.
Pamela Price's work laptop stolen from SUV in Oakland, sources say.
That's right.
The D.A.
in, one of the D.A.' 's in the Bay Area, who is apparently soft on crime, is now the victim of soft on crime policies.
This isn't the first one.
I had a story last week about the New Orleans Soros-backed D.A.
who was carjacked, I think, with his mom.
Good.
Well, I mean, it's not good.
unidentified
It needs to happen.
tim pool
Yes, but they want it to happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, then good that it happens to them because they need to learn.
They need to have no mercy on these people.
tim pool
I see what you're saying, right?
And we laugh because of Schadenfreude, but the problem is the Alameda County DA is probably laughing with you.
unidentified
Do you think?
tim pool
Absolutely!
They intentionally do this and what happens then they go, it worked.
We did it.
We won.
We have destroyed the city.
Yay!
And then what happens is conservatives are like, haha, great, we agree.
And they're like, these idiots are agreeing with us.
These people are destroying our once great cities and conservatives are laughing along with them.
unidentified
What are we going to do about them?
phil labonte
Vote them out!
Unless the populations decide that they want to vote these people out, this is going to continue to happen.
And it's been going on for the better part of ten years.
It didn't just happen overnight.
These DAs and stuff, they've won multiple elections, they've got their Their administration's well-entrenched into the local areas, and until the population decides I'm tired of it, it's not going to change.
Not for nothing, but your average person that has kids and a job that doesn't pay attention to politics all the time, they don't really pay much attention.
They don't know what's going on.
They're not aware.
And when you tell them, I've had the experience myself, I'll tell my friends that are left-leaning, I was just in California a couple weeks ago, I'll tell my friends that are left-leaning about things and they just don't believe it.
They're astounded.
They have no idea.
I don't blame them because, look, you got a family, that's the most important thing in your life.
You got kids, that's the most important thing in your life.
I get it, but you do have to be aware of what is going on in your own municipality.
unidentified
We've got a guy in Philly named Larry Krasner.
He's a disaster.
Nobody even knows his name.
They don't even know his name.
This guy has turned the city into a complete disaster.
Not that we were ever great.
It's been a disaster since I've been born.
But right now what we have, you can't even go downtown anymore.
And this, what was this woman doing with a laptop in her car visible, by the way?
How stupid.
This is how stupid these people are.
Well, who knows?
tim pool
It probably was not visible.
unidentified
Who knows?
tim pool
Uh, because they smash out- so what people are doing now in the Bay Area is they're leaving the back gates of their vans and SUVs open and they're leaving the doors open.
hannah claire brimelow
Why?
tim pool
So that the criminals won't smash out the windows to come and so if the doors- right.
So they walk up to any car with nothing in it and they'll smash the windows out and then check the trunk and then leave.
unidentified
That's why we got the Second Amendment.
And we're seeing this taking place throughout the United States in all of these Democratic run-down districts.
People, when you keep voting for the same people and you are expecting a different outcome, it's not gonna happen.
tim pool
That's the Internet's definition of insanity.
Like Phil mentioned, these people don't know.
And, you know, I can say proudly That, uh, the past few holiday cycles, I've encountered many people who engage exactly as Phil said.
You'll say something like, yes, X happened, and they'll go, that's not true!
There's no way!
And then, uh, this is two years ago, and last year they're like, you know, I read that, and then I was reading this thing too, and it's like people are starting to realize.
Ian was mentioning this a couple weeks ago, that whenever a crazy story comes out, he immediately has to call his mom to make sure he gets the information to her before the mainstream media can put some cover up over it.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Ian is his own breaking news to his mom.
tim pool
Mom, you're gonna hear this story, here's the link, it's from this article, they're gonna come out and they're gonna say something, and then he's like, if I don't tell her, she'll believe some crazy nonsense later on.
unidentified
Yeah, my mother watches that stuff, and the things that she believes, she's probably watching this, but she's never watched the podcast before, I know that much, but, you know, the things that you believe, if you only get your news from the mainstream media, it's unbelievably sad how misinformed these people are.
And willingly, willingly, it's all out there, we know it, we found out.
phil labonte
To some degree, to some extent, I agree with you.
I harp on Barack Obama in the 2012, I think it was, NDAA that repealed the Smith-Munt or had the Smith-Munt Modernization Act.
Essentially, what it said is that for since the 40s, the federal government wasn't allowed to propagandize the American people.
Essentially, they couldn't produce materials for dissemination inside the United States.
And in 2000, I think it was 12, The Smith Modernization Act was part of the NDAA that Barack Obama signed.
And it happened just at the time that the smartphone was coming into everyone's pocket and social media with the like button was essentially the most powerful mind control tool ever invented.
And so you've got people that are in the tech industry and stuff like that are producing these applications.
unidentified
Draw people in and people love to use them and the federal government is given free reign to feed these tech industries tech companies and Whatever information they want and the media and the tech companies do it willingly There was no need for payoff or anything because what they what the federal government offered was access if you do these things you scratch my back I'll scratch yours and that was the beginning of the the The tech companies in my opinion becoming a part of the military industrial complex And you never hear the Republicans who are supposed to be on our side about the propaganda stuff.
You never hear them talk about that act.
And you never will.
There's one candidate in Texas, Caroline Kane, only person I've ever heard bring it up.
phil labonte
I'm pretty sure that there's a guy running that will talk about it, the AK guy, Brian I forget Bryn's last name, but he'll talk about it, he mentioned it.
But it's something that people need to know.
The fact that the federal government is not only allowed to disseminate information into the population, but is doing it in conjunction with tech companies that have the ability to literally control people's opinions.
People will behave in remarkably different ways if they get likes or they get approval from their friends.
And that's exactly what the like button does.
It gives people that little dopamine hit and those small, those kind of small dopamine hits
that are not something that is a big deal.
It's a little bit all the time.
It flies under the radar and it has had a massive, massive impact on the population.
People talk about how in 2012, 2013, everything seems so much crazier now than before that.
And you hear people my age talking about that all the time.
And I truly believe that it is because prior to 2012, 2011, you didn't have the kind of consistent propaganda I don't think so.
You said it yourself with the algorithms.
tim pool
Yeah, but that's private sector.
That was before the repealing of this act, and the U.S.
government has been propagandizing for a long time.
A lot of the stuff that we see leaked from WikiLeaks, for instance, and from other hacker groups around that time show they were doing this well before.
And I think what they ultimately did with this was more overt.
It was the Simpsons-esque super liminal.
Where they just launch these American-backed foreign media companies.
I don't think that repealing this Propaganda Act is what made everything crazy.
I think it's social media and the internet.
And that's why the 90s was the last decade.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Like every decade is easily discernible, except for the 2000s and beyond.
It's a big mess.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's because the internet fractured global culture, American culture, and has continued to.
I think it's going to be rebuilding itself, though.
I think it shatters into all these different pockets where people start listening to very specific things, specific people, and you no longer have... I said this 10 years ago.
I was at a conference.
I said, fame is done because of the internet.
And I was like, you're going to have famous people, but it's not going to be like, you know, actually Phil and I were talking about this, like Metallica, the biggest band ever.
But it's because there was a period where culture was more unified, and there were fewer channels to get access to music, Metallica being the best, got everybody.
But now, there's probably a band, very, very, very good, very great music, but they have a much harder time reaching as many people because it's no longer straight top-down broadcast tower, it's more even out.
unidentified
Everything is niche now.
tim pool
But I'm kind of thinking that things will start to re-coalesce again.
They'll start to come back together for a combination of reasons.
One, people are, like, power naturally does this.
And so we're seeing people want to be like each other, so there's trends and they want to follow these trends.
But more importantly, the powers that be are desperately trying to cobble back together the broadcast tower so they can have singular control over what people think.
unidentified
And we see that a lot, you know, some, like the elderly population, they stay home all day, they watch the news channels all day, and they believe everything that's being shown on the news.
You know, they don't search for any type of education to dispel anything that they're seeing on the TV.
So that's why it's so important that you talk to them, you know, help people understand that everything that you're seeing on the media isn't necessarily true.
hannah claire brimelow
Because the elderly in particular were raised in a different era of information, right?
I mean, when you only had the radio, we had like four channels.
It's very different.
Not that you necessarily should have believed everything.
unidentified
They could lie way better then.
hannah claire brimelow
It could lie way better then, but also there was very few outlets to challenge it, and now we have a lot of ways to challenge information.
In fact, it can happen so rapidly it's often hard to keep up with, and I think that's where people who are not as engaged, either because of their age or because of their lifestyle, sort of get lost.
They can only get the headlines, and that's not enough.
tim pool
I've talked about my show idea a couple times here, which is more like a half-assed show idea because it's like never gonna get made.
But the idea being that in the future, I'll give you the very quick version, the planet basically is post-apocalyptic, there's one city left, it's the last city, it's relatively big, and no one has any idea what happened to humanity or how civilization collapsed.
Long story short, it turns out All of humanity still exists, they just are in underground bunkers in the metaverse, plugged their brains into the Neuralink.
And the reason why the last city doesn't know this is because they consume information in a dramatically different way.
The idea for that is basically because it's happening now.
Older people don't know how to use, I'm not saying they absolutely don't, I'm saying most old people don't use Twitter, don't use TikTok or Instagram, and get their information only From the authority figures on TV, so they are living in bubble world.
And when you go to them and you're like, hey, here's a thing that's true, what you're believing is fake, they're like, I don't know what you're talking about.
You're like, let me show you the tweet.
I don't know what that is.
You may as well be going to someone and being like, you don't know what's going on with Joe Biden because you're not in the metaverse plugged into the neural link and getting the information down.
Oh, there it is.
New information proving his corruption.
And then they're like, what information?
Yeah, he took $200,000.
How do you know that?
It was wired right to my brain.
If you were plugged in, you'd know it too.
I don't know how to plug into that stuff.
I'm going to turn on CNN.
CNN doesn't talk about it.
That's basically the gist of the story I was making up is basically see that what we're seeing now with how people consume information.
You can go to your friends and family, and there's a reason why your older relatives and family holidays don't know these things and don't believe you, because they're not plugged in the same way all of you are.
I mean, if you're watching this show, you are plugged in.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you're engaged in a different way.
And I think that's one of the interesting things that we'll see happen with definitely Millennials, probably Gen Z, is that they are, I mean, I know more and more people, and I wish I had the data with me on me to prove this, but one of the biggest changes culturally is that people don't have cable anymore.
There are tons of families that just don't have it, you know.
college students who are getting their first apartments or young adults, whatever, they
don't get cable because they only need wi-fi because they stream everything anyways.
There is a complete disconnection from an entity that used to have access. Maybe that's good.
On the other hand, they are reliant on a very decentralized way of getting
information and that could also be bad. I mean this is why...
serge du preez
Well, kind of.
I mean, it's centralized, too, that it's on TikTok.
It's on the same platform.
It's not on the internet anymore.
Like, our millennial generation grew up with the internet and going to different sites and stuff.
Now it's on platforms, and these platforms have organizations behind these pages.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
So it's another centralization of a news source, which then, unfortunately, leaves it really vulnerable to this sort of, like, top-down control media narrative saying, like, it's going to be one way or the other, and this is the only way to hear the story.
Yeah.
unidentified
Big, big agendas.
tim pool
We got this, uh, this story, London and UK Street News, pro-Palestinian activists throw live mice into McDonald's.
I kid you not, here's the video clip.
Alright, we'll turn that down.
And you've got the Free Palestine, they've got the- They died the mice?
Like, seriously, don't do anything like this because, dude, what- like, that's so mean to the mice.
Let alone the illegality of doing this.
Look at this.
This is pro-Palestinian activists walking to a McDonald's.
This is in the UK.
They say rats at McDonald's, but these are clearly mice.
That's so messed up, dude.
Those poor mice.
Those mice are probably gonna get killed now for no reason.
They should be fed to a snake or something.
unidentified
And they want you to do it at other places?
phil labonte
What is the point of ruining the community that you live in?
tim pool
They say, hold on, look at this, they say Starbucks, they say target, targeted boycott the big three.
Start by boycotting these brands that are directly involved in supporting the Israeli apartheid.
Starbucks, McDonald's, and Disney Channel.
Well, OK.
unidentified
How does that help their cause?
I mean, who is going to say, oh, yeah, they threw rats.
We got to be on Palestine's side.
tim pool
It's just a malicious and disruptive thing.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's disruptive to business.
I mean, that's the point, right?
You release mice into a restaurant, they have to shut down for a couple hours.
unidentified
In a McDonald's?
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe not.
unidentified
I don't know.
phil labonte
The thread that runs through a lot of the protests and stuff like that is just anti-Western, anti-capitalism.
So the whole Palestinian thing, like the Palestinians are fighting the Israelis.
The Israelis are generally looked at as a Western democracy.
This is an attack on capitalism, they think, or they would probably consider an attack on capitalism, an attack on Western consumerism, an attack on actual Western, you know, things that are in the West, you know, so the fact that The left is kind of a monolith now.
I think that that's part of why it's playing out like this.
unidentified
And nothing will happen to them in London, and they know that.
London is a disgrace.
The entire UK is a disgrace, what they let people get away with.
That's why it's such a disaster.
phil labonte
The amount of raping, the acid attacks.
They're literally arresting people for quietly praying outside of an abortion clinic.
tim pool
Yeah, several times.
There's a lot of those videos.
phil labonte
Multiple people get arrested for literally standing there and not saying anything.
unidentified
There are many people.
I knew a woman over there who went to jail just because she used to go and protest in Hyde Park.
She used to not protest but, you know, Speaker's Corner, which was supposed to be all about free speech.
They arrested this woman I know two times because they didn't like her speech.
Well, it's Speaker's Corner.
That's the point of it.
phil labonte
It's a clown show.
unidentified
The whole of Europe has become woke.
That's why they're being taken over.
That's why the whole place is being destroyed.
tim pool
And they want us to pay for their defense.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
We shouldn't be giving them a thing.
We should be out of NATO.
We should let them just do whatever they want.
phil labonte
Out of NATO.
unidentified
Out of NATO.
Get out.
Get out.
Let them fend for themselves.
You want to be woke?
You want to be all into that crap?
Get out.
They'll be invaded.
tim pool
This is going to be really interesting though.
It's basically what's happening is the American people are basically fed up With the failures of Europe and us footing the bill.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And we've been footing the bills since basically World War I. Yeah.
And why?
unidentified
They're letting themselves become invaded.
They're allowing, even Italy, Spain, all these countries, they get people over from North Africa all day.
They come in, they have no respect for the culture of Europe, no respect for the history of Europe.
They come in, they rape all the women like it's their job.
They do all these awful, awful things to the communities.
They take over entire towns.
What are we supposed to do, bail them out?
When it turns hot?
When it gets into a real bad part?
tim pool
Right, so the issue is the unchecked immigration and these videos of people landing on boats and rushing into the country.
I don't think the issue is immigration.
unidentified
No, not immigration as a whole, but these are people that nobody knows who they are.
Somebody came with a goat yesterday on an NGO boat into Italy.
It was a video of, well, it could have been an emotional support goat.
hannah claire brimelow
It's an asylum seeker, what are you talking about?
unidentified
It's an asylum seeker with his... It's not an asylum seeker.
...partner, or whatever you want to call it.
hannah claire brimelow
No, a goat is not seeking asylum, that's true.
unidentified
Well, the goat might be, because God knows what's happening to him on that boat.
tim pool
But goats are based, and we like goats.
And the issue is... This is where I want to be careful of not conflating.
If there's a legitimate asylum case.
And the issue is... But how do we know?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
They're not asylees.
They're not asylees.
unidentified
None of them.
tim pool
They're not.
These people are economic migrants as per the UN.
So when people are like...
I think it's important to draw the distinction specifically because it's the argument used by the left to justify having no border security.
So, AOC specifically saying they're legal asylums.
No, no, no.
The people that we're upset about are quite literally the people who are criminals, not the immigrants and the asylum seekers who are either legitimately coming here because they love this country or they want to seek opportunity and they're fine with the paperwork.
The people that are the issue are the people who are breaking the laws, coming here, and then continue, cartel members, etc, etc, and then they're going and committing crimes.
unidentified
Right, right.
And it's an insult to people who do it the right way.
tim pool
And the left is trying to make sure that when we talk about it, it's one group.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Instead of completely separate groups of people.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
If people really liked, as for Europe, you know, the problem is they're not having kids.
unidentified
None.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know if this is true.
People are saying that Italy hasn't recorded a birth in a few months like this.
I don't think that's true.
unidentified
What did they say?
Italy hasn't recorded a birth period?
hannah claire brimelow
In three months.
unidentified
Oh, please.
tim pool
I don't know if that's true.
No, that's definitely not true.
But when you look at the fertility rates, I talked about this last week, in the US and Europe, they are collapsing.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And it's not just like, oh, look, they're down.
No, they were down before.
It's worse now.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's worse.
But I will say the path towards winning the culture war is actually really simple at this point, too.
It's just anybody who wants to win just needs to have five kids.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's a long term investment in the future.
unidentified
This is true.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
But I don't think that people... I mean, I think about this all the time, which is like, we say you should have children, but that tide's going to turn really slowly.
And I wish that there were more ways to get people engaged in making a difference right now.
unidentified
Well, it's easy to say have children, but you can't get a house in this country right now.
The interest rates are... Who can afford a child?
I mean, how many children do I see when I come to your food bank in your line?
They can't afford five kids right now.
I mean, if they want to have kids, they should put some incentives in place.
Look at Hungary.
Hungary did a great job.
You have four kids.
You don't pay income tax.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, right, right.
unidentified
Where's that policy?
tim pool
The child tax credit?
I think Biden was talking about doing that.
Democrats were talking about doing it.
I think that's a good thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a bipartisan issue because if our birth rate declines too far for too long, I mean, we did see an increase in the years after COVID very, very slightly.
Not enough to, you know, really say the tide has turned.
But It should be a bipartisan, cross-cultural, everyone-needs-to-be-having-more-children, and instead, the narrative is, especially on the left, well, we can't have children, everyone agrees it's too expensive, but they also argue the environment, the environment can't take this, you're overpopulating, there's too much pollution, this, that, and the other.
It's not true, but it'll be difficult to fight that narrative, and ultimately, as much as I would love it if just conservatives had millions of children each, ultimately you need a lot of people, including the moderates
who are on the fence, who might hear these arguments to their children.
tim pool
The problem is it's very, very much perception and standards and
people don't want to live beneath the modern standards. And that's the... look, I get it, I can respect it,
but I don't know how you can look at people who came to this country on boats and landed on
desolate shores with their kids.
These people were like, imagine if the original pioneers who came to this country were like, nah, I can't have a family because I can't afford medical care, a house, you know, insert, insert, insert.
No, 20% of the people died on the boats.
And they came here anyway with nothing.
And now I know, I know, people are saying, yeah, but like, you can't even build a house.
Back then you could like, build a fortress, or like, you could build a little house somewhere in the middle of the woods, at least.
And people would work with you to build houses, and it's like, you could move out of cities, and struggle, and have a 20% chance of death, like the original pioneers and colonists, and then find a, look, If you move out of the city and go somewhere where it's rural, where the houses are really cheap, and then you start doing the work, the physical labor to build your house, you have a 100% survival chance.
unidentified
But are people built like that anymore?
tim pool
That's the issue.
unidentified
I don't think anybody's built like that anymore.
tim pool
But saying that we're not built like that is not an excuse as to why the people who came before us were hardy and more tough, more resilient, and more willing to take the risks.
Just saying, like, it's too hard today.
I'll be like, it was harder back then.
I don't believe- Certainly, you can succeed.
phil labonte
I don't believe that there's a- that money is the real deciding factor.
Like, people's inability to afford to have kids.
Like, I don't think that that's the real deciding factor.
I don't know.
I don't know that I have a strong opinion on what it is.
I think it's probably cultural and has to do with with their with people's upbringing and stuff.
But you know, there have been a lot of times where or there's a long time of our history where people had a significantly lower standard of living and they were punching out kids like it was their job.
So it's not that, it's not that, you know, they have to have X amount of dollars to be able to afford kids.
When you have kids, no matter how much money you make, unless you're like really independently wealthy, you probably always feel like if you had a little more, it would be easier, you know?
And so really the thing is, if you want to have kids, you go and have kids.
That's what people do.
If people find it important to have kids, they don't wait until they have certain amount of money.
They want to have kids, they have kids.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, America's declining birth rate parallels declining community participation.
So it is generally a turning away from the building of any sort of social group, right?
I mean the family is not just a social group but it is a core unit of your community and you kind of make decisions from there.
And I think especially people look to one another and so even if we can never put a finger on exactly why people choose not to, the more people who choose not to, the more likely The people around them also opt not to have children.
unidentified
There's a lot of propaganda again.
Look at that.
What's that beast's name?
Helen Handler.
Chelsea Handler.
Always posting those TikToks.
I didn't have any kids.
I flew to France this week.
I'm so happy.
tim pool
No, she is happy.
Good for her.
unidentified
I'm sure.
tim pool
So I was looking at 3,000 square feet of land in a city in Martinsburg for $19,000.
Wow.
Not a lot of people have, a lot of people probably don't have $19,000.
You can get a loan for it if you want to pay for it.
But you can get an acre of land for half that if you go out to the middle of nowhere.
Now here's the question.
If you went and bought an acre out two hours west of DC in the middle of a field somewhere, Bought the land, built a makeshift little hut for your family.
Your family was filthy, covered in dirt, bathing in a cement hole, and you were eating and hunting for food, and then you were slowly cutting down trees and having your kids help you build your house, which was very small.
Would anyone consider that to be a reasonable standard of living for people in this country?
unidentified
The answer is no.
tim pool
No, I don't think CPS would be there instantaneously, not at all, because there's tons of families that are completely neglected and ignored, and these children are left to suffer.
I'm talking about parents who are actually taking care of their kids the old-fashioned way.
They'd probably be completely ignored.
But nobody wants to do that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
The idea that you would be living in the wilderness, basically, with no resources, no electricity, living off the land, is unthinkable and unheard of.
And that is...
The difference between then and now.
Back then, granted, you didn't really buy the land, you just went and set up somewhere where no one had a claim.
Nowadays, you have to actually buy it, so you'll need some money, meaning you gotta have some savings, but nobody's gonna do it.
Nobody thinks it's reasonable to buy an acre of land and then start building a house You know, taking care of their family, or even more reasonably, you could buy probably five acres for $10,000 somewhere far out in the middle of nowhere.
unidentified
But are there jobs out there?
tim pool
What do you need a job?
I'm talking about eating deer, and eating wild fruit, and learning which leaves you can eat.
So, our ancestors quite literally did this, knowing like, hey, winter might come, we might die.
But they're like, we're gonna hunt, and they had basic skills, but people today don't have this.
And so again, I think it is unreasonable to expect anyone to do this, but this creates the predicament.
When we say we can't afford a house, we're saying we can't afford insulation, air conditioning, clean running water.
All of these things are part of the standard that we have to maintain and we expect to maintain for our families.
But no one wants to have kids unless they can maintain what is effectively living like a space king by medieval standards.
The idea that your house is insulated.
Or that you have running water is like, the kings didn't even have this.
Granted, Roman Empire had indoor plumbing.
My point is, as the, we've talked about how technology becomes necessity.
Luxury becomes necessity.
When cell phones come out, only rich people, the wealthiest people have them.
And you don't need to have a cell phone, but if you do, wow.
Now cell phones are, you have to have it.
You can't get a job without it.
And these things cost money.
So now all of these luxuries have become necessities and no one can afford to do it, and nobody wants to go and live back off the dirt like we used to back in the day.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think it would be impossible for people to ever... I mean, the people I know who do really live off the grid, very few of them have a lot of children, and I think that there are a lot of reasons for that, right?
It is... The reason we have iPad kids is because modern conveniences are built into a lot of parenting nowadays, and it's not that it's bad or good, although it's not great.
unidentified
And usually both parents are out of the household now.
The mother's not there with the kids anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, and to maintain a modern standard of living you would need both incomes in most families.
unidentified
You do!
You need it.
People are not getting by well.
And another part of this is the no-fault divorces that ruin the men.
They have to be careful and then the child support comes in and then you get ruined and everything you built you get screwed.
Society's not set up to incentivize it.
phil labonte
There is not a lot of incentive for people to get married anymore.
in the United States.
There's very, very little incentive.
unidentified
It's the other way around.
tim pool
There's a tremendous disincentive.
phil labonte
Yeah, fair enough.
hannah claire brimelow
Which is funny because statistically it bears out that children who are born to married families do better, right?
There's no cultural incentive, but actually if you look at it, marriage is hugely beneficial.
And so we have to remind people why we had marriage in the first place, that it was a good thing.
phil labonte
Marriage is beneficial to individuals, to families, to people, but all of the outside incentives disincentivize marriage.
All of the things that our society does, the media disincentivizes it.
unidentified
Social media?
phil labonte
Yeah, absolutely.
And until we can remedy that, I think that we're going to continue to have instability in family creation.
hannah claire brimelow
And in culture.
I mean, again, family is at the core of all society.
So if the family is unstable, why would the society be stable?
That doesn't make sense.
unidentified
Yeah, that's very true.
tim pool
I think at a certain point, you know, with someone super chat talking about Japan, for instance, population is going to dramatically decline.
It's going to have very interesting effects on global power structures.
And then there will be a pendulum swinging the other direction.
serge du preez
I think you could say that as well.
If you look at Japan, they currently have all the younger people in our generation, pardon me, are all essentially making all their money from taking care of the elderly.
Like, it's like the whole industry in Japan, and it's not sustainable for the long term.
And they're not having kids.
Yeah, they're not having kids because they're too busy with their jobs, etc., etc.
It's a whole cultural problem.
tim pool
Feminism!
When we eliminated the female traditional role and had women take on the male traditional role, this is what ends up happening.
unidentified
Very true.
This is the end result.
What are we, like 50 years into feminism?
A little more?
What do you say we are at?
phil labonte
It's not feminism.
It's the birth control pill.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's one of the same.
tim pool
That's a component of it.
phil labonte
You can have feminism and have the ideas all you want, but if you don't have the birth control pill, and people just do not have the capacity to behave the way that they do now.
The free sex, the free love stuff, that doesn't happen.
Yeah, that's abortion too.
unidentified
Big time, that's abortion.
phil labonte
Maybe, but I think that you wouldn't get to the point where abortion happens regularly if you didn't have the pill.
The pill allows women to go to work, Regularly, the pill allows a lot of women, it stabilizes them.
tim pool
Women can go to work if they weren't on the pill.
phil labonte
They'll end up getting pregnant.
unidentified
It just allows people to act like feral animals.
phil labonte
Exactly.
tim pool
The pill had a huge effect.
I agree, and so does abortion, but there are a lot of women who don't take birth control pills who go to work.
It is a social norm that women must work.
That's it.
Women must get jobs and must take care of themselves.
phil labonte
But that is an effect of the pill.
That is not a cause.
tim pool
I don't think so.
I don't think you can say that they're related in that way.
They're two things that are a component of a similar thing, but they're independent of each other.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I also think that there, during the birth control movement, you know, there were already women who were working who thought, well, now that I'm liberated, I have my own money, I want to be able to behave different sexually.
I mean, I want a different life.
I think, in some ways, women entering the workforce encouraged them to get on birth control, but I don't think it's the other way around.
There are all kinds of reasons that women And ultimately, like I said with AI, they pay a price that they don't know what it will be.
And the birth control pill is incredibly dangerous.
It's over-prescribed in my opinion.
It does, I think you're right, it does allow women to stay in the workforce for longer, but I think they were already looking for ways out.
I think there were arguments against separating the family before the birth control pill came on the market.
phil labonte
It was the first step that allowed women to behave as men.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think that's true.
phil labonte
Sexually.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that women already were, there were women's movements to give them, I mean this was a whole argument with suffrage, right?
Men can vote so we should be able to do that.
That has nothing to do with the birth control pill.
This has been going on for a long time.
Is it good?
And I think probably the birth control expedited it.
I'm no fan of the birth control pill, but I don't think that it was the birth control pill that opened the door for feminism.
It was already there.
It was just a ticking time bomb.
I think in some ways feminism allowed people to be more accepting of the birth control pill because they saw it as this progressive choice for women.
tim pool
I agree with Anna Claire on that.
I looked it up.
The birth control was invented in 1950.
It was when it was first introduced.
But like women's suffrage movement and women entering the workplace was happening in the early 1900s.
These arguments for changing in the roles happened with industrialization and probably population expansion and the security state.
When women became secure, they no longer need men in the same way that men need women.
So, you know, if you go back to well before industrialization, women are more vulnerable than men.
Men protect women.
But once we eliminated the bears, the wolves, the coyotes, and the external threats and had centralized police forces, now it's like the state can function as the man for the woman in general, and the women can go do whatever they want, but now they need money to do whatever they want.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Which probably leads to the creation of birth control.
unidentified
Yeah, that definitely could be.
tim pool
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Alright, RJ McDouglehime with the first superchat saying, yo!
AlphaTurkey, unfortunately, you were not first.
He says first.
No, second.
Isaac, however, says thirst for third, and you are correct.
You are the third superchat.
Congratulations.
Jason Dixon says, Hey Tim, can you please shout out the Discord?
We are building community, and we would like to one day thank you in a voice forum.
Please visit us.
Uh, yes.
See the Discord server that we have, when you sign up to become a member at TimCast.com, we have a Discord server.
What is that?
It's like a chat room.
You sign up, ten bucks a month.
And then after six months you can submit questions and call into the show, or you sign up at 25 bucks and you can call right in as soon as you sign up.
We just have that gate because we're trying to keep out bad actors.
However, the members have created their own shows, their own chat rooms, their own projects.
And so when you join, you're also part of that club where you're hanging out with like-minded individuals.
They're doing great work.
They got pre-shows, they got after-after shows.
It's really great stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
They're the most productive worker bees I've ever seen.
tim pool
All right.
Dababo3 says, Alec Baldwin coming to Steel City Con outside Pittsburgh in December.
Facebook comments roasting him.
unidentified
Hopefully he doesn't shoot anybody.
tim pool
He'll have to be on his best behavior.
Koldilocks Production says, couldn't believe the amount of lying Cenk did in Friday's Culture War.
Also, I'd be totally down to have Dennis Prager debate Scott and correct him on his history on Israel.
We can look into that.
That'd be great.
Culture War episode.
phil labonte
Will Chamberlain says that he would debate Scott Howard.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
OK.
All right.
I think everybody wants Dennis Prager because it's like it's Dennis Prager.
You know what I mean?
You know, but that would be really interesting.
And Will's very mild mannered.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
It would.
I do not think it could possibly get heated.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
Scott would get excited and then Will would just be like, well, you know, the thing is very calm.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
What do we got?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Sean Strickland out here playing 4D chess.
Oh man.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
tim pool
We're gonna talk about this in the Members Only show so we can get a little spicy with it, but Sean Strickland came out with probably the smartest thing as it pertains to the Bud Light UFC sponsorship that I didn't even think of, and he hit it out of the park.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We're going to talk about, he's basically saying that Bud Light is now paying him to say everything he's going to say and everyone else.
And you know what?
He makes a good point.
Maybe this does save Bud Light, because wait until you see what he has to say.
He's talking about a lot of culture war issues and being very strong about it.
He said some things I don't think anybody in this room would want to say.
But the point is, he's pulling in a very, he's pulling as hard as he can in the other direction and forcing Bud Light to pay for it.
JTS says, get Sean Strickland as a guest.
I knew as soon as I saw the UFC story that he would have something to say.
The guy is really funny, really based, and is actually a good example of what a champion is.
That'd be epic!
I mean, when I first... We'll save it.
We gotta talk about his statement.
It's not family-friendly.
Well, it's probably family-friendly, but we're gonna save it for the members only.
We'll get spicy with it.
All right, Brandon says, check out protests in Panama over Chinese-backed Canadian oil company.
Given large land and land-stealing rights, huge fear the protests could disrupt the canal, and that China is aiming to take it over.
They are.
China tried building the Nicaraguan Canal, this is like 10 years ago, and they would have had to have destroyed a massive natural aquifer to do it, and so it was ultimately abandoned.
But controlling the Panama Canal is big bucks power.
Alright.
Harry To says, FYI your channel always shows on my top row of suggestions.
I had to scroll down a bunch to find it.
It's never done that before.
Well, here you go.
This is what happens when, uh, you know, we, we call out these, uh, these stories.
So make sure you smash that, uh, subscribe button and that bell, but also you can always watch the show on the front page of Timcast.com.
unidentified
True.
Yeah.
tim pool
It is always there on the front page of Timcast.com.
And we have the Timcast app.
So download the app on Apple and you can, uh, watch in the app.
And with the best part is in the app, you can actually suspend your, you can sleep your phone, whatever it's called.
I don't know.
Suspend.
And, uh, it'll keep playing the sound and you can keep listening.
serge du preez
Oh, that's great.
tim pool
Harry just says, I also didn't get a notification.
I had to scroll a bunch to find your show.
unidentified
Yup.
serge du preez
Yeah, I didn't get notified either.
tim pool
Polypure says, where is Ian?
Is he okay?
I don't know.
He's gone.
serge du preez
I hope so.
tim pool
There's no more Ian.
So if he's not back by Wednesday, we'll take the sign down.
And then we'll put up a fill sign or something.
We'll have to get one made.
phil labonte
There you go.
tim pool
Alright, where are we at?
Leif Hagen says, in states Trump is removed from the ballot, down ballot senators, reps, DAs, governors, etc.
will all suffer greatly.
We're talking county by county.
That's right.
Yep.
Tremendous victories for, uh, for Democrats.
That's the point.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
James Moaning says, first, stand your grounds.
Coffee is delicious.
Well done.
Second, what do you, uh, what do you want the normal people to do?
You have the DOJ and judges against non-Dems, you have establishment against us, and you have us worried about effing cowboy boots.
Repeat, effing cowboy boots.
Hey, we're gonna have a little bit of levity on the show.
Just because we talk about Rhonda Sanders wearing high heels doesn't mean we're not saying don't get serious.
But, uh, what you do is actually, it is relatively simple.
The first thing you do, you listen to a show like this.
The second thing you do is you give money to people who are doing tremendous things.
And I'm not just saying give us money.
I'm saying anyone you support, think you're doing a good job, Scott Pressler, however, and by whatever means you can support his work, fund the people who are doing the work to the best of your
abilities.
One of those things you could do, obviously, would be become a member at TimCast.com because
it helps us as we expand and get the message out.
We're doing a bunch of crazy cultural endeavors.
But if you're more interested in the political stuff, don't just give to Trump.
Realize there are state-level people.
If Republicans win the state legislatures in every state, it's a done deal.
It's a done game.
You don't need to worry about the federal level stuff if you win at every state level.
That's the mission.
And that means going into urban centers and pushing your views even when you think no one's gonna agree with you.
They might.
They probably will.
You gotta do it.
unidentified
Look at Laverne.
tim pool
There you go.
unidentified
She's doing it right here.
Donate to her.
There you go.
Tell them Laverne, your website.
Yes.
I mean really, we gotta support candidates like you.
You know, that's Laverne Spicer 2024.
Nope, just Laverne2024.com.
Oh, that's a better one.
tim pool
Yeah, that's good.
unidentified
Easier.
hannah claire brimelow
She's busy being on the ground.
unidentified
She doesn't... If you're a good candidate, you don't pay attention to those things, you pay attention to the people.
tim pool
There you go.
Alright, Nick Lee says, in regard to Republican chances, I'm an independent living in PA and every other ad I see is Democratic campaign ad for positions down the ballot, not one from Republicans.
Yup.
I will say, however, I went to Pittsburgh, and I have never been recognized in any other city more than I was in Pittsburgh, and it was kind of weird.
We went to a hotel, and all three of the hotel valets recognized me.
We went to Rivers Casino to hang out, and I got recognized by the woman running the poker room, and several of the players in the poker room.
Walking down the street, someone waved.
I was just like, wow.
It's kind of crazy.
I go to a bunch of other cities and you know here here and there but in Pittsburgh I was like everybody knew I was and I wonder if it's because of like Midwest sensibilities for Rust Belt you know I'm from Chicago but I did notice this is really funny at we were at the Pittsburgh was Pittsburgh University or whatever it's called.
hannah claire brimelow
University of Pittsburgh I think.
tim pool
There you go.
And on this Green Transformer box, I took a picture of it.
It was like, Brandon Tatum and James O'Keefe are coming and they're fascists or whatever, blah blah blah, don't let them come.
And the argument against them was just like the stupidest thing ever.
It was like, James O'Keefe makes things up.
And I'm like, why would a college student care that a guy makes things up on the internet?
It's like, oh, we have to protest because we think a guy made something up on the internet.
Who cares?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't think they think too far.
Is he making up the videos?
Is he hiring?
Like, really?
tim pool
Well, that's their argument, but the point is, if you don't know who James O'Keefe is, what about, would you like to protest a guy who made something up on the internet is appealing to you?
You'd be like, what?
unidentified
They have no lives.
They have nothing better to do.
tim pool
Everybody makes things up on the internet.
hannah claire brimelow
I was gonna say, that's half of their dream career is to be, like, YouTubers who make stuff up and get involved in all kinds of drama.
tim pool
I'd imagine.
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard Pittsburgh's an amazing city.
tim pool
I've been secretly lobbying for a show there for a little while, so... I've never been, though, so... All right, DeBronk says, the 14th Amendment also details the oath, support the Constitution, that is not the presidential oath.
Yeah, but it is.
Come on.
It says, what does it say, to serve, protect, and defend the Constitution?
So, knowledge is getting semantics, but let's, uh, let's, uh, let's... Presidential oath of office.
The ability to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
So, if that's not support for the Constitution, I don't know what is, you know.
But, uh, there's an argument there.
The President is not included in that.
And I think that actually makes sense.
The argument I would make is that, in 1876, they did have Southerners, uh, uh, Southern states run.
Democrats were running for office.
They were holding office.
And so the idea was, they were basically saying, okay, okay, like, No one who did at that point, but these positions are probably fine.
If they did not allow one of these states to have a president, these people were all alive and involved in the Civil War, then it would have just led to more Civil War.
That was the point of 1876.
So I think that might be why they say yes to the presidency, but I don't know for sure.
I don't know.
All right, Raybert G. Stanbert Jr.
says, PBD was my favorite podcast before my brother showed me this one.
Now y'all are tied in my heart.
It was so awesome seeing y'all start to collab.
We're big fans.
He's fantastic.
He stole the show when he came to Miami.
Well, he's from Miami.
Well, he lives there.
But when he gave a speech about tolerant Christians and what you have to do, everyone just stood up and started clapping and cheering.
And I was like, okay, what do we say now?
He nailed it.
But that's the point.
That's why I say share the show.
Word of mouth is the most powerful way podcasts grow.
That's it.
People are always wondering, how do I get a big podcast?
And it's like, word of mouth.
Someone plays a podcast in their car while their friend listens to it, they like it, and they share it.
Someone else says, hey, you should check out this podcast, it's really good.
That's it.
Commercials don't do anything.
None of that.
All word of mouth.
That's why Twitter slash X is so prominent, so powerful.
Maybe we should actually try to promote our shows on that.
Yeah, maybe, maybe.
Or, you know, if everybody who watched the show shared it with their friends, we'd be the biggest show in the world.
serge du preez
Yeah, easily.
tim pool
There you go.
But I will also add, too, that it's fairly obvious that the large portion of our viewers are fairly moderate-leaning individuals, and most of you would probably agree.
Like, we had one individual saying they were independent.
That tends to be what we find, as well.
And that's also going to be interesting, too.
We're getting some more interest.
I think it's interesting that Cenk Uygur wanted to come on the Culture War.
We've got some other Democrat personalities now reaching out to us, and I think it's because They know that this show is not a hardcore, die-hard, far-right, MAGA, you know, super conservative show.
It's like, kind of moderate, with crazy characters like Ian.
And actually, the example of Pittsburgh is interesting, because Pittsburgh is what everybody wants to win.
Right the Democrats strongholds sure, but if you get places like Pittsburgh if you get more rural suburban areas Midwestern I mean PA especially just across the board, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin This is what all of the politicians are desperately trying to win Midwest So if people in Pittsburgh know who I am and they're watching the show at higher rates than other places, we're gonna have every Democrat in the world begging to come on and try and pitch their case, and they're gonna get roasted.
unidentified
It also means that the power centers are shifting right instead of left, which is good.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, that was Matt Gaetz's feedback after the first time.
The second time he came on, because the first time he came out here, and then he heckled us when he came to Congress, and was like, oh, you'll come out to Lauren Boebert's office, but I have to drive.
But he said, I was amazed by how many just regular people, waitresses, truck drivers, random people I met, were like, I heard you're on Timcast.
I don't think people realize that's one of the strengths of the show, that real people listen to it.
phil labonte
Boomers.
tim pool
Boomers.
Wow, that was a lot of young people.
phil labonte
No, no, I'm saying boomers don't realize.
tim pool
Oh, right, right, right.
Tinky Winky 31 says, don't know how much hockey you Yanks watch, but in the 24 years I've played, that's one of the most bizarre plays I've seen.
The way in which the back checker reacts makes it hard to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Check out the Clint, uh, Malarchuk injury.
We did, we watched it before the show, and I used to play, I used to play street hockey when I was a kid with my friends.
Like, that was our sport.
We didn't play basketball or baseball, we played street hockey.
We played kind of a lot.
No one ever got kicked with a roller blade.
serge du preez
No.
tim pool
In the face.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
It's just like, And then all my friends who even rollerblade now, and we have rollerblades, and I was rollerblading last year, it's just like, foot never goes up like that.
unidentified
Why wouldn't it?
It would throw your balance all the way off, right?
Wouldn't it?
tim pool
He's trying to kick them.
unidentified
I mean, it has to be.
hannah claire brimelow
And your skates are heavy.
I mean, like, you have to want them to go up.
Otherwise, they naturally come down.
unidentified
Right.
Unless you're a figure skater, but he's definitely not.
He's playing hockey.
serge du preez
No.
And the way he's directing, he's turning his skates.
He'd be leaning in towards the left, and his left leg is the one that's going up.
So it's just like, yeah.
tim pool
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Johnny FT says the only solution to the AI problem is a return to analog.
Pictures and video will need to be accompanied by the original celluloid.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
serge du preez
It's hard to decide.
tim pool
Welcome to the Matrix.
You're going to live in the Matrix.
unidentified
That's it.
hannah claire brimelow
He thinks I hate it here.
tim pool
Lars says, just a heads up, the U.S.
is halting exports of small arms for 90 days, as per the Epoch Times.
Yeah, that was from, uh, that story was from last week.
Throw up y'all ready for war?
phil labonte
It'll be, uh, fun, I guess.
I mean, all the listeners to TempCast, like, if you, if you're, unless you're a new listener, you probably already have guns if you were going to get guns.
We've been talking about this stuff for ages and ages, so if you're a new listener, I'm sorry to...
unidentified
Go get more.
tim pool
Yes, exercise your Second Amendment rights today by contacting your local FFL.
And, you know, that's the advice I'll give everybody.
When I first moved to New Jersey, I was trying to figure out how to get a gun, and good luck in New Jersey.
So I went to the police, and the police lied every single time.
The police station lied.
Everyone I went to told me something different.
They said, it's remarkable because I'm pretty sure they're intentionally lying to people.
They were like, oh yeah, you just gotta fill out this form.
They had us a form.
We're like, okay.
Then go online, go to this website and put it in.
And I'm like, okay.
And then the website doesn't exist.
And I was like, what is going on?
So finally I did the simple thing and I went to a gun store and I said, what do I gotta do?
And they slid me a totally different form and said, fill that one out and then bring it to the police station.
And I was like, okay.
And then, oh no, no, no.
I brought it to a specific station where they take a picture of me and then handed me the New Jersey firearms ID card.
And then I was able to go buy a gun in New Jersey.
So if you need advice on what you want to do, what you need to do, talk to your local federally licensed firearm dealer.
phil labonte
Go to a gun shop.
They'll set you straight.
serge du preez
Yeah, gun nuts will.
tim pool
Yeah.
When I moved to Maryland, I called a local shop and I asked them about it and they were like, here are the rules, here's what you gotta do.
And I'm like, cool.
Then I called West Virginia and they were like, come on in!
And I was like, yeah, and they were like, constitutional carry!
You got a West Virginia ID, you're all good.
You gotta do the federal background check.
And, uh, there you go.
When I first, when I bought my first gun at, in New Jersey, it took, uh, uh, three days.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I think it took five.
Because of the weekend.
But, like, there's a three-day period where if the feds don't respond, then... So, they were just like, okay, you bought it, we'll let you know what they say, because you're on, you're delayed.
And I'm like, okay, this is dumb.
serge du preez
Yeah.
It doesn't exist here, too?
tim pool
It's federal.
unidentified
Federal.
tim pool
So, it's everywhere.
serge du preez
It's everywhere.
tim pool
But, basically... Stupid law.
Yep.
Basically, once, yeah, because it's like, if you need it, you need it.
unidentified
Imagine you're a woman, you're getting, like, a man is coming after you, you need the gun because you're gonna get beat the crap out of, you left the house, or something, or killed.
You gotta shoot that man.
I mean, come on.
And then you gotta wait three days, you're dead already.
tim pool
You have to use reasonable force to defend yourself if someone is expressing their intent to kill you.
unidentified
Of course, of course.
tim pool
Right, so, for me, dealing with a guy trying to break into my house, who was a pedophile, and dealing with death threats, the police are like, good luck, Seriously?
To flee?
Oh yeah, of course. In New Jersey they said that if someone breaks into your house, you have to flee.
And I'm like, that's New Jersey's law.
unidentified
In the United States of America.
tim pool
And I said, where to?
Well, flee to where? I'm in my house. And they're like, anywhere.
And the argument, it's the Communist Party. It's quite literally out of the Communist playbook.
Wow.
You should flee instead of having to take someone's life because the argument is you would rather kill someone than stand outside.
And it's like, well, I don't know what's going to happen if I go outside.
I don't know if they've got someone waiting outside for me.
And so what am I supposed to do?
And they're like, if you can get out, you have to get out.
Maryland is relatively similar.
They'll arrest you and charge you with a felony and then tell you to prove it.
unidentified
Unbelievable.
tim pool
Right.
In Maryland, you can't defend yourself outside your home.
If someone is threatening you outside your home, you have to flee into your home.
And then once you're in your home, if they try breaking in, then you can defend yourself.
And then West Virginia is if someone threatens you, you can defend yourself.
unidentified
Good.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a simpler law.
It's much easier to remember.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's how it should be.
phil labonte
All that remains manager is he lives in Long Island.
He's a Jewish guy.
And so obviously he's got family in Israel and stuff.
He started buying guns, maybe a couple years ago or whatever, and now he's like, thank God that I did, because the rigmarole and all of the paperwork that you have to do in New York, you know.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
tim pool
New York is awful.
unidentified
It's basically illegal to have a gun.
phil labonte
It is insane, you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
You make it impossible.
phil labonte
You know, you never know when you're going to need it.
unidentified
All right.
And Florida is staying your ground, so we have the right to protect ourselves there.
Yeah.
tim pool
Johnny F. Teases, as a doctor, you can occlude one artery but still have enough blood flow to the brain from the other side.
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
Man, that's crazy.
serge du preez
Pretty sure that Malachite case, he literally just reached to his neck and closed the artery.
tim pool
Into?
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Stuck his finger in the neck?
unidentified
Yes.
phil labonte
Stick a thumb into it.
If you ever get a gunshot wound, what they tell you to do is put the tourniquet on first and then just stuff gauze into the hole until the hole's hard.
tim pool
I watched a video of a guy explaining how to treat a gunshot wound and he's sticking his thumbs into it.
Just gauze until he says it becomes hard as a rock.
phil labonte
Yeah, and then you put a band-aid bandage over it and then get him to hospital That's what that's what I mean a blowout kit like a trauma kit like that.
tim pool
It's it all it is is gauze a Bandage to cover it up in a tourniquet so and that's you that's the only thing you need to like fix most of your your gunshot wounds unless you have something through the lung where you need a chest seal I think Everybody should go to one of these, like, basic survival training things, where, you know, Luke does the tactical training stuff, I'm like, you know, I'm saying, like, I did this, uh, hostile environment training, which is really hard to get access to, because everybody wants to do it, and they have limited classes, so it's typically only big corporations and insurance companies schedule these things, but anything like this, I recommend.
Why?
It's so much fun.
It's not like you're there and they're like, listen, someone's gonna... No, it's fun.
You're hanging out in the woods and you're basically role-playing.
Like, so when I did the hostile environment training, they would put you through the scenario and then have you actually be actors in the scenario for the next group of people.
So it was just a ton of fun.
You go out and it was like, you get to be a villager harassing a journalist.
You get to be, you know, a police officer or whatever.
It was good fun.
I recommend it.
And then you guys will learn basic first aid and your kids should learn these things too.
And then one day you'll slip and fall and your kid will save your life.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's important.
I have a woofer because I was raft guide for some years and I'm surprised how little people know about Basic first aid.
phil labonte
It's kind of shocking.
On my Twitter account, on my Twix account, I just retweeted a basic primer of how to treat gunshot wounds, so take a look at my Twitter account.
tim pool
It's crazy, I watched a video about removing arrows, and they would use feathers.
Because the arrows would have the hook on the end, and they would put the feather over the barb, and then both, and then you pull it right out.
It's kind of crazy, like these things, if you knew, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, like you said before, if you took one class and it ever became useful, it's paid for itself tenfold.
unidentified
For sure, you have your life.
tim pool
Tyrion says, carotid artery exsanguination happens in 5 to 15 seconds.
unidentified
Wow!
Yep.
tim pool
That's really fast.
Crazy.
That's basically, you know... That's a lot to do.
unidentified
A lot.
tim pool
I think maybe we do like one special upload to the website where we talk about First Aid or something.
and Luke comes back, give him five minutes per show for first aid PSAs.
That's a lot to do, a lot.
I think maybe we do like one special upload to the website where we talk about first aid
or something.
Yeah.
Or honestly, we just direct you to somebody who's doing that, like Luke would put it on
his channel or something like that.
hannah claire brimelow
I bet there are viewers who already watch stuff like this, like, between survivalist accounts and just paramedics who have YouTube channels.
I'm sure there's more stated stuff out there.
tim pool
Man, it's crazy, okay?
Like, one single sentence could mean the difference between someone living or dying, or someone being paralyzed and not paralyzed.
Like, I watched a video, it was out of Africa, a dude jumps in front of a car, and what do they do?
After he gets run over, they pick him up and start dragging him away, and I'm like, okay, they're breaking his bones, and they're cutting nerves, and they're doing all that bad stuff.
When I broke my hand, I didn't move it.
I just held it.
And the doctor said that the way it broke, it was really close to severing a nerve and probably making a portion of my hand permanently numb or paralyzed.
Yeah.
And like, you got to know these things.
I didn't do anything.
I'm just saying my hand broke and then I was like, ah, it hurts.
And then we had the doctor and he was like, okay, we got to set this properly because you're really close to severing a nerve.
And it was like, kind of crazy.
Let's grab some more super chats.
Federale Actual says, I still can't listen to HCB since I measured and was at 7 inches flat.
I was never 5'11".
hannah claire brimelow
See, I'm telling you guys, the 5'11 is the default.
I don't want to lie and say I'm 6 feet, but I'm also not as tall as I actually want to present.
And that's okay.
There's there's room in life for all kinds of heights out there.
serge du preez
Yeah, I keep saying I'm 6'1", exactly, whenever I say I'm 6'1", everyone's like, oh, you're like 5'11", or whatever.
I literally am.
hannah claire brimelow
You're like, pull out your tape measure, I'm actually 6'1".
serge du preez
I'm still doing that, why not?
tim pool
I'm 6'7".
hannah claire brimelow
I believe you.
tim pool
That's true.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, you and Barron Trump are the same height, you guys make eye contact.
tim pool
I'm a little taller than him.
But I'm 6'7", because I told everyone here that I am, and because I'm the boss, they have to agree.
That's all that matters.
hannah claire brimelow
It's part of our contract.
Also, his lifts are crazy, you guys should see them.
tim pool
There was a good super chat that I want to read before we get too late.
And let's see.
Where did it go?
Where'd it go?
serge du preez
That's pretty good.
tim pool
I don't know.
Oh, here we go.
Komo Shepherd says, DeSantis could fix a bunch of his image issues if he had said, I identify as 6'2".
Yup.
unidentified
That would have been great.
That would have been great answer.
tim pool
If he was asked, how tall are you?
By Patrick, by David.
And he goes, well, I identify as 6'2".
They would have all laughed.
And he would have laughed, but he does not have it.
unidentified
He takes himself way too seriously.
tim pool
I mean, maybe not, but he just doesn't know how.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Like, you ever meet somebody who tries to joke, and the jokes just don't work, and you're like, bro, you're just being uncomfortable, like, you don't have it, you know?
Ron should have been the VP.
Trump just had his ticket, would have been unbeatable.
unidentified
Would have been amazing.
tim pool
And then he said, uh, nope.
All right, we'll grab one last one here.
We got Winston Alexander says, took me four months to get my New Jersey CCW, multiple background checks, high fees, and four endorsements from non-family, non-LEOs, also police chief interviews.
And that's only after the Supreme Court ruling, right?
Because when I was there, they were like, nope.
They said, in order to get a CCW in New Jersey, you got to be rich or famous.
Are you either of those?
And I said, actually, I'm both.
They're like, okay, you're good.
And I was like, wow.
You know?
And then it was still really difficult, but that was basically the argument.
Same thing with Maryland.
These states were like, if you're rich and famous, you're allowed to have a gun, but nobody else.
And I'm like, okay, well that's BS.
But we're gonna jump over to the members-only show and talk about Sean Strickland, UFC, and Bud Light's partnership, and the things Sean said.
Gettin' spicy, so smash that like button.
Subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, and we'll have that members only show on the front page in a few minutes.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Joey, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Yeah, my Twitter, if you want to follow me, it's Joey Manorino US.
I'm Laverne Spicer once again.
Follow me on Twitter and also that campaign donation website is Laverne Spicer.
Laverne2024.com.
phil labonte
I retweeted Laverne's website so if you're looking to find a link to it.
unidentified
Real simple.
No E on that Laverne.
L-A-V-E-R-N.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify and Apple Music and Amazon and Pandora and YouTube.
You know, the internet.
hannah claire brimelow
You can ask your Alexa to play it if you have one, which is a terrible idea.
phil labonte
You can ask your Alexa to play it.
You should ask your Alexa to play it.
Alexa, play All That Remains.
hannah claire brimelow
Chris Burman's gonna be so mad last time we did this.
tim pool
What's your favorite song?
phil labonte
Um, new stuff.
unidentified
I can't wait to show you guys.
phil labonte
I think that if you're into metal and you want to check some All That Remains out, you should go check out Two Weeks.
Check out What If I Was Nothing.
Check out This Calling.
Those are our big hits.
Those are the big ones.
tim pool
I mean, Two Weeks is a masterpiece.
phil labonte
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
hannah claire brimelow
Alexa, play Two Weeks.
unidentified
Now it's playing some other, like, Alanis Morissette.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm sorry, I don't know how to talk to Alexa because I avoid her at all costs.
tim pool
You say this, you say, Alexa, play Two Weeks by All That Remains.
phil labonte
That's how you would do it.
If anyone's Alexa actually started because of that, please tweet at me so I know if that actually worked.
unidentified
It does.
tim pool
It happens all the time.
Anyway.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes!
I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
It's the best.
You can see work for me, Chris Burtman, Cassandra McDonald, all kinds of cool people.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at hannahclare.b and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Thank you guys so much.
And Serge is here.
serge du preez
I am indeed.
South Africa is the world champs, once again, as you rightfully deserve.
Go Bucs.
Boca Boca.
That's pretty much all I have to say, guys.
See you in the after show.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in a few minutes.
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