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July 10, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Biden INDICTS Whistleblower Who Exposed Biden Family Corruption w/Natalie Winters
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tim pool
I guess it's unsurprising to report this story.
The DOJ is filing multiple indictments against the whistleblower who alleged Biden received payments from the CCP.
That is to say, the Biden administration is going after the guy blowing the whistle on the corruption in the Biden family.
Is anyone shocked to hear that story?
Considering what they're doing and going after Donald Trump, I am not surprised in the least bit.
So we will talk about that.
Plus, we've got a bunch of other stories.
Oh man, this one's hilarious.
Jack White, you know he's the guitar player from the White Stripes, he's losing it because there's a video of Joe Rogan meeting Donald Trump and shaking his hand.
That's it.
Joe Rogan at UFC shook Donald Trump's hand, smiled, and they talked for like 10 seconds and that was it.
And he's got this post about Mel Gibbs and all these people.
We definitely gotta talk about Trump Derangement Syndrome.
We're gonna talk about the presidential election, we gotta talk about What's going on with the Bidens and Ron DeSantis?
There's some fake news about Ron DeSantis, where many people were claiming that DeSantis argued Trump colluded with Big Tech, and that is fake reporting.
DeSantis said Trump should have fired the intelligence agencies that were doing this.
There's some nuance here, whether or not Trump knew, but I can say the media is lying about it, so we'll definitely talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Natalie Winters.
natalie winters
Hi, thank you so much for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
natalie winters
I am the co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room.
This is my second time on the show here, and I used to be an investigative reporter at the National Pulse.
tim pool
It's really convenient you're here, too, with this Biden-DOJ stuff, because you know a ton about it.
natalie winters
Meant to be.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Right on with this.
natalie winters
I feel bad for the guy, but yes.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes.
natalie winters
Good for the audience and good for you guys.
tim pool
Yeah.
We'll talk about some other cultural stuff, too.
We've got some fun stuff to talk about.
We've got Hannah Clare hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimla.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
ian crossland
And I'm Ian Crossland.
What's up, everybody?
Good to see you on this beautiful Monday.
Let's get ready.
unidentified
Yes, it is a good day.
What's up, Ian?
What's up, everybody?
It's Kellen.
I'm filling in for Serge tonight.
Let's get started.
tim pool
Here's the story from the Post Millennial.
DOJ announces multiple indictments against whistleblower who alleged Biden received payments from CCP affiliated individuals.
I just I love this story because it's kind of obvious.
It's just so on the nose, like, hey, I'm a guy who says that there's corruption happening with Joe Biden, and then Joe Biden's like, you're under arrest.
It's just really that simple.
The DOJ has announced multiple indictments against Dr. Gal Luft, the Israeli-American co-head of a Maryland think tank who gained notoriety As the missing witness in the investigation into Joe Biden's corruption, the New York Post recently shared a video of Luft wherein he broke down the allegations made against Biden and claimed that he'd been arrested to prevent him from testifying to the House Oversight Committee with damning evidence against the First Family.
Now, long after coming out as a whistleblower, Luft himself has been charged by the Biden DOJ for allegedly engaging in multiple serious schemes involving the Chinese and Iranians alongside a former high-ranking U.S.
government official.
The charges include numerous offenses related to failing to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, arms trafficking, Iranian sanctions violations, and making false statements to federal agents.
Wouldn't Hunter Biden have to do the same thing with FARA as well?
But I don't know if there's more to this story or what's going on.
I don't know if you have a bigger view of this, Natalie.
unidentified
Sure.
natalie winters
Well, there is nothing more hypocritical than coming after him for not registering with the Foreign Agent Registration Act as someone who has read FARA too many times.
I joke I'm probably the only American who frequents that website.
Hunter Biden's name is never on there, even though it should be, not just for China, but also for Ukraine, also for Iraq.
Also, for Russia, you name it, the list goes on.
But it's important to remember that this is just one of several whistleblowers.
If you remember James Comer, who's leading these investigations for the House, he said that there are about 10 whistleblowers, seven of them They don't know what happened to them.
They just couldn't find them.
Two of them had been indicted and the other, if you remember, he was giving an interview.
I think it was on Fox.
He's like, we think they may be dead.
So keep in mind that even though the story is absolutely ridiculous, it's all the ridiculous more 10 times over because there are so many people like him.
tim pool
Have you guys seen that crazy video where the woman on the plane is like screaming about how the dude's not real or something?
I don't know what that was all about.
I read something where she said, like, apparently people were like, she claims the guy winked sideways or something like that.
I have no idea.
But I was watching that, and after just seeing all of these different conspiracy theories, at this point, I'm, like, ready to believe her that, like, a lizard person was on the plane.
I'm kidding, by the way.
But what I mean, I bring it up because you hear the story and it's like, well, some of the whistleblowers may be dead.
We don't know where these ones are.
This guy's being criminally charged after calling out the Bidens and, you know, accusing them of corruption.
And I'm just like, Yeah, it's probably true.
Like the Bidens are doing this, and they're panicking and frantically trying to cover things up.
Because what's, what's the simple solution here?
That all of these whistleblowers, witnesses, every story, every video, every claim, every text message, it's all part of some Russian plot to discredit the Bidens?
Sorry, probably not the case.
natalie winters
It's so bold, and it's so in your face.
And I think it sort of proves in some ways, the guilt of the Biden family.
What I mean by that is that the same family that is so willing to issue indictments against people who are Obviously, calling the whistle, calling them out for their actions with hard, cold facts, real evidence.
Of course they would be bold and brash enough to take money from the Chinese Communist Party while Joe Biden is in office and think they could get away with it.
I think it just shows you the mindset of this family and, frankly, how offensive it is to the American people that they think that they can get away with doing it and that people like us are dumb enough to just, oh, he's crazy.
tim pool
To be fair, imagine what it must be like to be in the Biden family, and you're getting all this negative attention, and they're going like, the Clintons did it?
Why are you mad at us?
unidentified
We're just following an American tradition.
hannah claire brimelow
How can you take away our culture from us?
This is our right as your elite.
I don't understand.
tim pool
Yeah, the Clinton Global Initiative and the Clinton Foundation, all that good stuff.
Yeah.
I think that the Bidens were looking at that level of influence peddling, and Joe being fairly incompetent.
I mean, to be fair, like, fairly competent.
He's made it pretty far.
He was a senator for a long time.
He was in politics for 50 years.
So he's not completely bad at what he does.
But he's not on the Clinton level.
You know, Hillary Clinton, she's a special kind of witch.
You know what I mean?
Like, she was able to pull it off.
Congratulations to her and all of the awful things she did.
But she got away with it.
natalie winters
She chucked her hard drives into the Potomac, Hunter Biden, brought it to a repair shop in Delaware.
And I think that sort of was the fuse that lit a lot of this off because the American people, I think that's maybe to some where some of the frustration comes from with the lack of accountability and investigations and really indictments, at least from House Republicans going after people who are involved in the whole Hunter Biden crime ring is because the American people are sort of getting this like sense of deja vu.
Because through this hard drive, through investigative journalism and actual media reports, they've known about all this.
Like, Gal Luft is a name who's been around for a really long time.
He's on the hard drive.
These are stories that are sort of just resurfacing, and I think that's why it's all the more curious why they're indicting them now.
Because Gal Luft, all these types, were saying these things and have been for a very long time.
The hard drive has been out there for a while.
We've written stories.
War Room has talked A lot about people like Gal Luft, all the other whistleblowers, the names that are on the hard drive.
So I think it's curious.
It's like, why now?
I think that same logic applies to why are they going after Hunter Biden on taxes now?
Like, what's the timing?
tim pool
Well, I gotta ask for clarification.
You said she threw her hard drives into the Potomac.
Considering how crazy the story's been, was that was that literal or you just mean figuratively?
unidentified
I guess I'm metaphorical there, but my point is... Because she had them smashed with hammers, the phone smashed with hammers.
I guess it's too euphemistic to say they threw it at the Potomac.
natalie winters
I'm sure that at least one technological device that belongs to the Clinton family has been thrown, in some capacity, into the Potomac.
I will go on record with that.
tim pool
I think it's a fair assumption.
What we do literally know is that the hard drives were purged with bleach bit, and aides for the Clinton smashed phones with hammers to try and get rid of it.
That doesn't do anything, by the way.
It's like the stupidest attempt at getting rid of data.
But yeah, I mean, that's exactly what they did.
So I wonder if the bigger issue with the Bidens is that they're just sloppy, inexperienced, and incompetent when it comes to being corrupt.
hannah claire brimelow
I think there is a lack of discipline there.
ian crossland
Crack, we'll make that, we'll do that.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you think that's it?
Yeah.
Lack of familial leadership and crack cocaine really just ruins your ability to be a completely corrupt family.
I mean, we know in early June, Ana Paulina Luna tweeted about this FBI The FBI is afraid the whistleblower will die if he is unmasked, which seemed crazy.
And also we all laughed because it was like, are you saying you guys would attack this person?
Like, it didn't make any sense.
But at the same time, it's exactly what this, the simplest explanation is probably what it is, that there is some kind of Yeah.
Sorry, kid.
pressure from the Biden administration to silence anyone who is going to oppose them or challenge
anything they have. I mean, the Biden family lies to your face constantly. How many grandchildren
does Joe Biden have? Because he just pretends one is an extra one. Yeah, well, we don't talk about
that one. Not allowed to use the last name, therefore not real. I mean, this Yeah, his the
unidentified
Hunter Biden's daughter was a kid or something. Yeah, sorry, kid. Was it a prostitute? It's a
hannah claire brimelow
prostitute. He then tried to like lie about like he had her.
He hired her to his foundation and he denied it.
There was a paternity test.
They just settled their child support case.
And one of the stipulations that he had was, this child cannot use my name.
I will pay a certain amount of money for it, but I will not acknowledge it anyway.
ian crossland
That's like old monarchy tactics.
It's crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
So that's how the Biden family views themselves, that you were supposed to accept that even when it's completely confirmed that something is wrong, you're supposed to ignore it because they asked you to.
Seems crazy to me.
ian crossland
The guy that they were afraid, the whistleblower they thought was going to die, was that this guy?
They were like, we've got to hide his identity because we're afraid he's going to get killed.
Is that the guy?
tim pool
I don't think they clarified on that whistleblower.
They said they were worried if the identity of the whistleblower got out, they would die.
natalie winters
Sometimes the cohesion on the messaging from our Deerhouse Republican friends, not always on the same level.
sometimes there's some confusion about who they're talking about, but that had to do
when they were unearthing new evidence about a whole pay for play scheme that had to do
with Romania. It wasn't explicitly linked to that pay for play, because there's a lot
of pay for play. There's a lot of countries, there's a lot of people involved. But I also
think to to your point, why we've seen so many whistleblowers, especially on this front,
and this again is me speculating, but the whole Clinton operation, I think, was very
seamless and well run in the sense that the people who were in it, it was a tight ship.
With the Biden regime, what they were doing, it seems like a lot of these people, it wasn't so much ideological, they were just in it for the money.
And you can see that on the hard drive.
You can see that in the emails.
It was just, we have a chance to exploit the vice president's son.
And I think that's why you've seen a lot of these people sort of turn on the Biden family now, those that haven't been dissuaded by stories like this.
And I think that might be why they're actually trying to come out so forcefully, because they know deep down, The people like Eric Schwerin, the Devon Archers of the world, basically all of Hunter Biden's, you know, Yale classmates and peers and roommates, they were just on the money team, right?
It wasn't like, oh, we want to spread democracy abroad, you know, we want to do whatever the Uniparty wants to do and all these kinds of things.
No, they just wanted to turn a profit and those people, I think, are very easily Turned with the threat of Oh, well, you're gonna spend the rest of your life in jail if you don't tell us so that's why if you do read through the headlines like a lot of these people behind the scenes have been complying with either off the record or on the record interviews with Congress, but
It's sort of a painful process, I think, time-wise to let that work, let it work itself out.
tim pool
My view of the Biden family is like, it's like Arrested Development.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
For real.
You know, like Biden sat down with Hunter and he was, and he's just like, what did you do?
And he's like, Dad!
I was smoking crack.
I don't remember.
ian crossland
This is so much the Internet because the Clintons didn't have the Internet.
The Internet didn't exist back then really.
Now it's all just people are finding it.
People are finding out what's happening if this has gone on with the Clintons.
hannah claire brimelow
Especially since he recorded himself.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Hunter in particular.
natalie winters
Saying I'm in business with the effing spy chief of China.
But to your point you know the Axios story that they had come out today where they're like Joe Biden is Mr. Strongman.
unidentified
I just pulled that up.
natalie winters
I would love, again, I'm sure it's not true.
He's like the old man in The Simpsons screaming at the cloud.
I don't think he knows what's going on.
hannah claire brimelow
I think mood swings are part of Alzheimer's.
unidentified
Sure.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't want to give out bad medical information.
I do think that's part of it.
ian crossland
No, that says it in the article.
hannah claire brimelow
Dimension.
natalie winters
Imagine though, say, take that story at face value.
Imagine how he would be screaming at Hunter Biden.
tim pool
Let me pull this story up from Axios.
I just want to say that I got to give a shout out to Axios for one upping the New York Post in their pun game.
Old yeller, Biden's private fury.
Bravo Axios.
natalie winters
Solid.
tim pool
Had to add a little bit of insult to that.
So this look at this picture of Joe Biden.
It's like it's like the dark Brandon meme.
Basically, the gist of the story is very, very simple.
They're arguing that privately, Joe Biden's screaming at people, insulting them, saying, don't effing BS me, get the F out of here, and that they claim that if he doesn't yell at you, in fact, he doesn't respect you.
Here's what I actually think.
No one is safe, said one official.
One view of this is that they're putting this story out there to make it seem like Joe Biden is spry.
hannah claire brimelow
Because he's not.
tim pool
Because here's what's going to happen.
A lot of regular people who don't watch shows like this, who don't watch clips of Joe Biden, are going to imagine him as this energetic guy being like, hey, you tell me, I'll tell you.
They are secondhand trying to convince us that Joe Biden's a hard ass.
I'm not going to buy it because I've seen Vidism falling up the stairs, but this is what they're trying to do.
hannah claire brimelow
Today he got lost on stage and had to be guided by the King of England.
It's not great.
I mean, also it's giving Trump on The Apprentice, right?
Like we already have a strong leader in politics.
There's someone else whose personality you said was too intense for this.
I think what gets me about the Biden family is If you're going to be corrupt, you have to secure your legacy for maintaining influence when you can no longer be in the public positions of power, right?
So, like, I don't know, but maybe the Clinton Foundation, for example.
That would be a way to continue to have influence after the fact.
But right now, with the Bidens, I don't know of any kind of non-profit that they successfully run.
There's no heir apparent.
Obviously, tragically, Bo was Apparently the best kid and also passed away first.
And then we have his daughter and we have Hunter who neither one of them are going to launch political campaigns soon.
So it's not like the Bush family where there was a son, a couple of them coming up through the ranks.
I mean, if Joe Biden is really in cognitive decline, this is the end of them.
natalie winters
You think they would embrace the grandkid?
tim pool
They need as much as they can get.
hannah claire brimelow
Seriously, she's from middle America, she's from Arkansas.
But I was going to say, there's nowhere to go, so why wouldn't everyone bail out on them, to your point?
They don't have any loyalty to the power, they have loyalty to the money.
natalie winters
I'd even link this story to the hard drive and what I mean by that is, when I was doing a lot of my early reporting on the hard drive, the people that I was working on it with, we would always sit around and joke, you know, these are the stories that they're eventually going to use to impeach Joe Biden with, right?
And if you saw the last two weeks or so, there's definitely been more media attention given to the Hunter Biden hard drive and what's going on there and the people who are involved, even it cuts through the mainstream media Occasionally.
And I think that a lot of this media war that we're seeing duke out is sort of between the Democratic establishment like the DNC and Joe Biden in terms of trying to determine who the candidate is going to be for 2024.
And I think a lot of the people who don't want Joe Biden to run again are playing up the hard drive stuff to try to take him out of the running.
And I think this in some ways is maybe the Biden camp saying like, No, Joe Biden is in control.
He's in He yelled at people.
By the way, the best part of the article, if you read down the bullet point, where he's like, he gets really mad at all the Yale-educated staffers using acronyms.
I was like, it's so fake.
It's so, it's so feigns.
hannah claire brimelow
Because you cannot remember the acronyms.
natalie winters
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe.
natalie winters
Don't use UN.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
What does that mean?
I have forgotten.
tim pool
He's probably just sitting there going, huh, whatcha, ahhh!
And they're just like, oh, he's getting ornery again.
hannah claire brimelow
I would get frustrated if I were constantly confused, too.
That's not fun.
tim pool
But this is the sad thing about Joe Biden.
One of the signs of someone suffering from dementia is anger.
Because what happens to the person when they can't remember and they can't understand what's happening, it's frustrating for people.
It's, you know, you're sitting here and people are saying words you don't understand, you can't remember, and you're getting angry with yourself, like, why can't I remember what they're talking about?
You just get mad and you just outburst.
So this happens to a lot of older people when they get frustrated with being unable to deal with the situation.
Because, I mean, for most of our lives, our wits are about us.
You know, we can respond, we can react.
Sometimes we don't know things, it's fine.
But imagine knowing you know it, but you can't recall it.
It's just so frustrating to lose that control.
It's sad, really.
But I gotta say, as sad as it may be, like, dude should not be president.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's also this is just like, I think it's a derivation of his actual
personality, which according to who's this? Jeff can opt in a former Biden
campaign and sent a Senate aide, Chief of Staff to Kaufman when he filled Biden
seat in the Senate said that he was that Biden was an ego mania, you know, maniacal
autocrat determined to manage the staff through fear. This guy's got a reputation
of being a real nasty guy. I mean, there's a video of him being if they are found
unidentified
And with this much crack, you will serve.
ian crossland
I don't know what his minimum years in prison was that he didn't do to Hunter when Hunter- I like that video because then someone cut it so that there were clips of Hunter Biden in between.
unidentified
He's like, you hear Joe Biden's voice being like, this is on, you know, you'll go to jail.
hannah claire brimelow
Meanwhile, it's like his Hunter's Home movies.
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah, he's like smoking.
hannah claire brimelow
You're like, I feel like if only your father could.
tim pool
Yeah, but come on.
unidentified
Come on.
tim pool
Hold on.
Like, could you imagine being under Biden and you're driving down the street smoking crack and he's thinking, man, life is good.
And the Porsche takes a nice new way to take a picture to make sure he saves that memory.
hannah claire brimelow
But doesn't that, like, speak to the complete arrogance of this family that Hunter Biden could drop his laptop off at a- at a just normal repair shop and think, nothing bad can happen to me, I am too important and too powerful.
ian crossland
Oh, I bet Joe has said to Hunter, and I don't know, probably like, I'll take care of whatever I got at Hunter.
hannah claire brimelow
I bet it's already happened!
ian crossland
And Joe probably gets off on that, he's probably like, I'm so powerful, I can- I can protect the weak.
unidentified
No, no, I bet he loves it.
tim pool
I bet Joe goes to Hunter and says, you're a worthless, stupid little piece of ass.
ian crossland
He probably does that too.
And he's like, but I'll take care of it, don't worry.
tim pool
No, he didn't say that.
ian crossland
The abusive and then savior.
tim pool
He says, the only reason I'm taking care of it is because I get the 10% cut and don't you forget it.
ian crossland
Do you think he's that straightforward with him?
tim pool
Absolutely.
When there were those leaked messages where it's like, dad takes your salary or whatever that was all about.
What is that?
Like Joe takes the salaries from his kids or something?
He like controls their lives, allegedly.
hannah claire brimelow
And didn't- this is something that his daughter referenced in her diary that got published, right?
Like that their dad is controlling that he controls their finances.
I thought it was a text message from Hunter that said something like- I think there is a Hunter thing and I'm saying there's also this thing in the bio- which would mean that theoretically both of his kids are confirming that this is a controlled family.
Which either means that he does not think his adult children can handle themselves or that there is a very strange imbalance of power in this family.
Which might explain, again, why there's Yeah, that's one way to put it.
family to go. There's no one to take over. There's no clear direction. So when though they have
garnered a lot of influence, ultimately, people will bail out of the ship.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's one way to put it. Yeah, yeah, when people turn on the hated.
He, there's one thing that we're missing with Joe Biden is modern
video of him just being normal and talking to people like in his regular environment.
It's all curated speech crap.
Like, I don't even know what his personality's like, to be honest.
I've never really seen him chill and, like, have a long conversation.
tim pool
Because he just plagiarizes things.
ian crossland
Yeah, literally, he dropped out of the 1988 run for presidency because he was plagiarizing, got caught plagiarizing.
tim pool
Man, those were the days, though, you know?
You could literally say whatever you wanted because you couldn't fact-check anything.
Because he's like, what do you mean there's no internet?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
And then someone was like, hey, that's the exact verbatim quote from this other guy.
He's like, oh, I'm caught.
That's the funny thing, though.
What if Biden was just like, no, it's not.
How are you gonna prove it?
hannah claire brimelow
The media would be like, oh, well, it turns out that Joe Biden said it first, time traveled, then this other guy ripped him off, and then Joe Biden went back in time.
They would bend to his will.
tim pool
Today, we can play videos and prove a thing is false.
Back then, it's just like, what, Biden would say a thing, the media would be like, not true, and he'd go like, ah, you got me.
Why wouldn't you just be like the media?
No, like, that's my speech.
Have a nice day.
No one's gonna hear it.
I mean, here's the crazy thing.
Why did he drop out of the race?
ian crossland
I guess they had proof, because they'll play video of him talking with, like, Robert F. Kennedy talking, and he's, like, saying the same stuff.
I guess they had that technology.
It was good enough.
tim pool
Wait, he's doing that now?
ian crossland
Well, I don't know.
No, that was from 1988.
But now they'll still tell you that they didn't say it right after they said it, and there's video proof that they said it.
hannah claire brimelow
Who else was running that year?
I mean, I think part of it might just be that he didn't have the institutional prowess to stay in the race.
No one was going to back him up.
That could be it.
I haven't looked into it.
ian crossland
1988, what was that, Dukakis and George Bush Sr., I think?
I think it was Michael Dukakis.
hannah claire brimelow
Might be.
unidentified
Yeah, it was.
ian crossland
That was a Democratic guy.
tim pool
I was too.
It was a boring time to be alive.
hannah claire brimelow
I wasn't around.
I don't know.
I will study my US history and get back to you.
ian crossland
I watched Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
That was my 1988.
It was much better, yes.
Although that's the thing, man.
We were all like in that, you know, snowed into that dome that they had us captured in, that media dome.
Now we're outside of it.
tim pool
It's weird, really, how the internet has been, like, one of the best things ever and one of the worst things ever at the same time.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It's created this group of people who are able to understand a lot more than we've ever understood, and also a psychotic death cult that sterilizes kids.
So, you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There's that.
ian crossland
Trying to communicate with text, I think, is...
They'll look back and realize how damaging it was, because we used to write letters and mail them to each other, but it was like a last resort.
If you left a note on your refrigerator for your roommate, it was passive-aggressive and nasty.
If you didn't go to your roommate, just talk to their face.
But now, like, talk about passive-aggressive.
Text conversations?
natalie winters
K. Yeah.
ian crossland
And trying to have a relation—like, what?
You think people are going to—why?
Is there like an 80% divorce rate or whatever?
60% divorce rate?
50% of people, males under 30, haven't had sex in the last year?
Some crazy number?
This stupid, stupid misuse of the internet.
tim pool
Let's talk about the nightmare dystopia for which is upon us.
In this story from the post-millennial, Illinois to force landlords to rent to illegal immigrants.
Full stop.
Holy crap.
Is this a Third Amendment violation?
Right?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, they're not soldiers, I guess.
tim pool
Doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.
We had a member mention this, that the Third Amendment, the spirit of it goes beyond just the idea of quartering soldiers, because there was a Supreme Court ruling on it, and the general idea was that government could not intrude on your home.
The government forcing you to house anyone, I think, would fall under the Third Amendment.
So the question would be, what is the spirit of the Third Amendment?
And the idea was the government forcing people into your homes.
But I suppose you could make the argument it only referred to quartering soldiers.
Here's a story from the Post Millennial.
Illegal immigrants will soon be granted housing rights in the state of Illinois after Governor J.B.
Pritzker signed a new bill in law that makes immigration status a protected class.
This means that landlords will not be able to deny illegal immigrants housing as average home prices skyrocket across the state.
So it's not like they're Going to the landlords with an illegal immigrant, being like, house them.
It's that an illegal immigrant will come, say, I want to live here, and you can't deny them based on the fact that they're not citizens.
Which is kind of crazy, because there might be, like, other laws you are breaking if you don't deny them.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Because what do you get, like, as a landlord, well, they're not citizens, can I rent to them?
You're gonna report them?
I gotta say, that is the one thing where I'm less worried about the whole story.
If an illegal immigrant's gonna find an apartment and someone's gonna be like, I don't want you to live here, do you think they're gonna say, well, you have to?
No, the landlord's gonna call ICE and just be like, here, problem solved.
There you go.
But it is insane they're offering up immigration status as a protected class.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think there would be repercussions for calling ICE?
Like, do you think the landlord did that?
tim pool
Like, Antifa throwing bricks through windows?
hannah claire brimelow
Or, like, could you potentially, because our rule of law gets crazier and crazier all the time, could you get accused of, you know, being discriminatory or a hate crime because you called ICE on someone you suspected was an illegal immigrant?
I mean, there might be other repercussions by adding this to being a protected class.
tim pool
Depends on where we go as a country.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Because if we, if, depending on who wins the culture war, where we end up in 100 years, it'll change how all of this is framed.
And They already... weren't Democrats already running ads that likened arresting illegal immigrants to the same as rounding up Jews?
There was like some viral videos where it showed like the image changed or something like that?
No, what was that all about?
I think that might have been something else.
I don't know.
But the Democrats have already likened immigration detention centers to concentration camps.
Likened?
Outright!
Call them that!
AOC with their fake photos crying in front of these parking lots or whatever.
And then claiming that the detention centers put up by Obama were concentration camps.
And then as soon as Trump is out of office, they're once again holding centers.
So I guess the question is, if you are somebody who reports an illegal immigrant You need to ask yourself, are you going to ensure that American values win the culture war?
Because if you're not, I'll tell you.
After the far-left extremists win, and there's struggle sessions happening all over, they're going to accuse you of being a Nazi, and they're going to say, see, this proves it.
natalie winters
I think depending on who wins the culture war, if it's the far left, I don't even know if we'll have landlords because it'll probably be Black Rock owning everything and we'll all be living in our little 15-minute cities with our apartments.
hannah claire brimelow
And then there's no illegal immigration because the borders just open.
natalie winters
Because there's no borders and we have a global government.
So maybe, there we go.
hannah claire brimelow
Society collapses quickly but swiftly.
ian crossland
The CEO of BlackRock's talking about Bitcoin.
Loving on Bitcoin right now.
The total great tracking mechanism.
tim pool
That's what he said?
ian crossland
No, he didn't say tracking mechanism.
He just said, I have a lot of hope for the future.
We at BlackRock, we have hope as one of our main tenets.
And I just want to talk about Bitcoin because it's a hedge against in case... I'm going to stop talking now.
He didn't want to be like, just in case the economy... Yeah, I heard that.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like anything that gives BlackRock hope, we should all just be very wary of.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, if the CEO of BlackRock is saying, I care about hope, and here's Bitcoin, I think that he's telling you if you want to have hope for the future to get that.
I don't know, but that's what it feels like, is he's like, this is my, here's my get out of jail free pass.
Do you want it?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
ian crossland
Because I'm talking about Bitcoin right now, and we are BlackRock.
tim pool
This is a lot like what I think Alex Jones was talking about
on the Culture War podcast a few months ago, that these elites set a bunch of bear traps,
publicly announce where they are, and then sit back and wait.
And their mentality is if you're smart enough to avoid them, then you deserve to avoid them.
And if you're stupid enough to walk into them, then you deserve to.
And so this sounds very much like that.
All of these problems happening all over the world, in the United States, with the problems,
especially with like illegal immigration, if you're paying attention to it,
you are actively navigating through the bear traps.
And for the rest of the people living in big cities, they're walking straight into them.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and you have to remember that someone benefits from illegal immigration, right?
If we all agreed it was bad and it didn't help anyone, then we would close the border.
But ultimately, Democrats tend to like high immigration areas, high illegal immigration areas, Because they tend to tip the census to support their candidates.
It helps them when it comes to election years.
So I think strategically, like with Illinois, this is a way to lock down more rural areas and potentially have more influence among voters there.
If you're making landlords who might not want to house illegal immigrants in their residences or wherever that be, It makes it so potentially you can gain control over an area because, again, you're changing the demographics of more of the state.
And I think that's the problem here.
I think that people don't take immigration seriously because it makes them uncomfortable to talk about.
Like, saying illegal immigration is a protected class is like saying It doesn't matter to everyone who tried to migrate here illegally, because actually you don't have the same protections as someone who is illegal.
They don't care about legal immigration.
They don't care about upholding the rule of law.
They care about getting their way in the end.
tim pool
It feels like Democrats, Liberals are just fire.
They're consuming and destroying everything around them.
natalie winters
Well, and please fact check me, but, you know, obviously Illinois is more than Chicago, but I went to school in Chicago, I lived basically on the South Side, and I would wager that the places that most of these illegal immigrants are going to be moving into, since if they're illegal, you know, how are they working, they're probably not making that much money, they're going to be moving into the South Side of Chicago, right, where the cheapest housing is.
and that's gonna not only create problems, but it's gonna push out people who are living there.
So you're all these liberals complaining about gentrification, and meanwhile,
they're sort of, if you read that last sentence, in Chicago, the most populated city in Illinois,
the median rent has increased from 17.50 per month to 19.00 a month, and it's just so interesting to me
if you're trying to help Chicago residents, right, who are getting priced out of being able to live
in their houses, getting pushed out, you're now gonna add a massive influx of people
that you basically have to say, yes, you can live here, and if not, you're gonna be accused of a hate crime.
It's just, it's so backwards, and there's no way to rationalize that policy from the perspective of.
Actually putting Chicago residents, you know, meanwhile when they're not having like dozens of people die every weekend because of shootings.
Oh, you know what we should do right now is make sure Hondurans can live in houses in Chicago.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean the biggest argument for any birthright citizenship is typically this means that you will not be incentivizing people to cross the border just by saying if you get here on time and have a baby here, you now have citizenship and claim to the country and you could participate in DACA and everything else and In some ways, Illinois is now saying, like, we'll do the same thing.
If you can get here, we're going to give you special protections.
And therefore, they are making it likely that if you were an illegal immigrant and you heard, hey, well, I can definitely, I won't get kicked out of an apartment because of my immigration status, which, you know, there are benefits to going to Chicago.
They are making it more inviting to encourage illegal immigration, which is incredibly dangerous for everyone involved, both The effect it has on our country, but also for the people who are crossing the border.
It's not safe, and we shouldn't encourage it like this.
ian crossland
Regarding this Chicago thing that they're doing, are they charging $1,900 a month for rent for these illegal immigrants, or are they being forced to lower their rent?
tim pool
No, rent is probably not connected.
However, you need to consider that the more they expand these issues, you will get people who will demand a cheaper rent, and if you deny them, they'll make the argument that it was discrimination.
So, not typical, though.
I don't think money plays a big role in this.
And what they're going to try and stake this on is immigration status just means, like, if you immigrated to this country versus if you're a citizen or not.
But of course, it's going to include immigration status in general, which includes incomplete status or, you know, expired, et cetera, et cetera.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, the big problem you see generally is, like, when someone is arrested at the border for immigration, and if they're released in the country, like, Immigration court is so messed up that you'll have years and years before you're supposed to come back and appear before a judge.
You have no reason to actually return if you're able to set up life somewhere and live basically away from the system.
So in some ways you're potentially hurting landlords who if someone were to like commit
a crime and flee, you know, then their their building is associated with these negative
things.
I mean, I don't want to be too I don't want to make too many generalizations, but making
it so you are making one state saying illegal immigration is okay here.
It hurts everyone else around them.
It hurts the people of Illinois.
It's not an incentive.
It doesn't help or protect immigrants.
It's just ultimately creating more fires that Illinois is going to have to put out, which
means they're going to end up asking the federal government for more assistance.
They're already doing that.
tim pool
Well, the things with cities, the illegal immigrants, they allow into their state moved
unidentified
Mhm.
tim pool
And then, you know, California letting non-citizens in.
They then go to Arizona, Colorado, etc.
and they start putting economic strain in these places and people aren't- they're not being tracked properly.
natalie winters
And then they can vote in New York City.
tim pool
In terms of like- in terms of like resources to the government to stay tracked.
We don't want- Are you saying- Right.
Overt surveillance.
I mean, the amount of money that being- is being generated by the ec- by the economic activity of these immigrants is harder to track.
And so we're expending more resources on our public utilities that's just causing people more money. Yeah, I think Adrian
hannah claire brimelow
Norman for Timcast today just posted an article saying one in four, I'm going
to pull it right now, nearly one in four public school students are the children
of illegal immigrants or of immigrants generally. I mean, immigration has a huge impact on our
country and I know there are arguments for it for some people, but illegal immigration is a huge
challenge that we are not taking seriously enough and in fact we haven't been for years.
And I think this should be something that everyone talks about, but instead it becomes this emotional debate.
tim pool
Well, we got a bunch of cultural stories, and I'm gonna start with the stupidest one.
This is from the New York Post.
Elon Musk snipes Zuck is a cuck about meta boss Zuckerberg after rival Twitter app launch.
So, Threads has cracked 100 million users.
I still think it's not that good, and I don't know if it'll actually take over.
But Elon Musk called Mark Zuckerberg a cuck.
Okay.
He then actually went on to call for a literal dick-measuring contest between him and Mark Zuckerberg.
ian crossland
And then did Mark respond with, uh, somebody get my microscope?
tim pool
Is that what he said?
ian crossland
I saw a picture that said that.
I don't know if that was doctored or if that was Mark's reply.
I doubt it.
It's like, get my microscope.
tim pool
Did they include that in the- so, uh, in the four days, blah blah, it's like, is it cuck?
Musk tweeted, responding, then Wendy said, you should go to space to make him mad, and that was it.
Some people were appalled by Musk's tweet.
I was surprised that, you know, he tweeted that he wanted to have a dick measuring contest, and a bunch of people were like, you forgot to post this from your parody Twitter account, you posted it accidentally on your main.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think he runs his parody Twitter account?
That's my favorite conspiracy theory, that Elon Musk is behind his own parody account.
tim pool
That's a good idea.
Controlled opposition, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
Do you guys, are you on Threads?
Do you guys like it?
unidentified
No.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe Ian can answer this.
Is there any truth to the idea that they hired a bunch of people from Twitter to Threads?
ian crossland
That's the whole lawsuit?
tim pool
Facebook denies it.
hannah claire brimelow
They're like, get out of here.
What rights does Elon Musk have if that's the case?
ian crossland
I don't know actually, that's a good question.
Trade secrets, like if you quit one place, you probably are under some sort of NDA that you can't talk about the code that you wrote at that place, but you might know ways to recreate the system without the exact coding.
You might be able to change some of the coding.
But that's the problem with proprietary code in general and companies owning code is when they leave the company, the company doesn't really own the code.
It's the people that make the code that own the code.
So that's why I'm a big advocate of freeing it.
I'm looking up to see if Zuckerberg responded to Elon.
tim pool
Well, he wanted to have a dick measuring contest.
A literal one.
I don't see how that could have been from a parody account.
They actually tweeted that.
So this is our current state of discourse.
The big thing with threads is that it's not good, and I don't know what else to say about it.
Instagram is just not a place for high-level conversations.
So it's like, Facebook is, you know, what is Facebook?
A phone book?
A directory?
Twitter is our news.
It's basically like the news networks back in the day.
People would go on, debate the news, on the news show.
If you went to the Simpsons for your news, you're not really getting news.
And this is basically what Threads is.
Instagram's an entertainment platform, not a serious political platform.
It does have politics on it, but it's not that serious.
And so the platform just...
You know what I think is more likely to happen?
Young people on Instagram will switch to Twitter once they start getting more politically active.
It's not going to be a switch to Threads or some other stupid app or something.
hannah claire brimelow
The people I know who are in content creation who don't like Twitter but like Instagram tend to be not political at all.
They're fitness people.
They have cookbooks.
They do things outside of this.
Do you think that there's any chance that Thread basically becomes a Twitter for those people?
Nope.
tim pool
What do they have to talk about?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
But people like them.
People follow their content.
I assume it's the same thing with anywhere.
They have questions.
We're releasing this thing.
tim pool
If I'm following a guy because he does backflips off of buildings, why do I care when he makes a post with no picture of a backflip and he just says something like, went to Wendy's today?
I'm like, show me a backflip or otherwise I'm not following you.
ian crossland
Instagram's the platform where you'll see a video of him doing the backflip where it says went to Wendy's today over top of the image or the video.
They don't do just text.
See, this meta, Zuckerberg, he's good at copying other people and compiling stuff.
Facebook was just like Friendster, more or less.
He kind of ripped the concept off Myspace.
It was like a developed version of that.
And then they bought Instagram.
He didn't build that himself.
They bought Oculus.
I think they had the Oculus come in.
Now they have that.
Now they're doing this.
They basically got the developers from Twitter to recreate, trying to recreate Twitter.
But then, you know, it's not really an argument that he's bad at what he does.
It's just not super original.
It's kind of lame.
But it's functional.
It's just not creative.
He's not the most Sorry, Mark.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think we're market saturated on social media platforms?
Because you're I mean, you do this for a living, you must have Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, like, at what point is it too many?
natalie winters
Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm a Luddite.
I hate social media.
I feel like every month, they're like launching a new platform.
And it's really annoying.
I'm not on Threads.
I'm not really even on Truth.
I'm not really even on Getter.
The only one I really do, because I think you get the most bang for your buck, is Twitter, because I think that then can also get aggregated or disseminated to other platforms.
But yeah, I don't think Threads is going to I don't, I mean, I'm not on it, but...
hannah claire brimelow
Because how could you maintain it unless you really saw, like,
like I'm saying, like, if there was, like, threads only had the mommy bloggers, right,
and that was where the mommy bloggers went for Twitter, like, maybe there'd be enough engagement there
for your niche enclave of content for it to work, but Twitter already dominates this type of media,
so how do you, I mean, Gab and other platforms exist, but we have seen that they haven't surpassed Twitter yet,
at least.
Why would threads?
Because it's already attached to Instagram and people are already there.
There's an access.
I just don't... I don't get it, but I'm not a huge social media person.
natalie winters
They're already up to their old same censorship tricks of meta, so it's like, why would you want to go backwards and go on a platform that is Certainly not going to let people like us say what we want to say.
So you're alienating like half the country right there.
ian crossland
Yeah, at least half the world.
It's how do you talk?
You can't talk politics if there's a censorship cloud.
I mean, you can't really effectively talk about the possibilities.
You can't wargain your strategies and talk about what horrible things might happen.
Because if the company's like, no, you can't even mention that possibility.
Like then I can't have a conversation.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
That's why I think it could only exist for people who are non-political, but then do they have enough to talk about on that platform?
unidentified
Nope.
ian crossland
Nah, they don't really text.
I mean, maybe they do, but not on social media.
hannah claire brimelow
It's pictures.
unidentified
It's pictures.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm thinking of people who, like, review stuff.
Like, I did a review of this.
What did you got?
Like, I just can't imagine it.
tim pool
You can post a video to Instagram already.
You can post pictures.
What is somebody who has dedicated themselves to a visual medium going to do with a written medium?
That's why Twitter is news and politics.
So, all of these liberals and leftists who are like, I'm going to Blue Sky, I'm going to Mastodon, whatever, they can, it's not going to change anything.
I would, you know, they say, they edit a hundred million users, and it's like, why?
Because you're Instagram and people just got a Threads account?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, come on.
ian crossland
Of their billion people.
tim pool
Of the people who are already using Instagram, they just clicked a button.
ian crossland
Twitter actually understands this.
I think, Elon, and that's why they're going so hard into video now.
Because the Twitter text is like the rock bottom.
You don't want to go that direction.
If you have it, you better have it for your network.
I'm kind of surprised YouTube doesn't have a better messaging service.
They really dropped the ball, you guys, at Google with Google Plus and all that crap.
Just consolidate it into YouTube.
Make it the best social network.
But Twitter's going full-on, long-form videos, subscription models, audio.
And that is absolutely the future.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think text will ever come back?
Is Twitter the space?
ian crossland
For transmitting data it's good for information, but for communication it's not very effective in my opinion.
tim pool
That's true, but it's faster than video.
That's why it worked in an era of video.
So, someone can tweet something like, I am hungry and would like to have a cheeseburger, and then someone can respond with, cheeseburgers aren't healthy, you should consider a different option, and then you can respond with, screw off, vegan.
You know, like a video back and forth is not that easy to do.
ian crossland
So like, if you were in text, you're like, we're gonna get food later.
That's a good text, but if I'm like, What, how are you feeling about that in the text?
Ooh, did I do the wrong thing?
That is not a text question.
That is no, it is insane, inane.
If I ask you about emotions in text, I've missed, like if you're like, if you want to tell me what you're going to do, I'm into it.
If I want to ask you why, that text is not the place for that, in my opinion.
tim pool
It gets, starts to get bogged down with what you think I mean and what I, There's a reason why people aren't recording videos of themselves to Twitter in response to other people, because text is the way to do it.
ian crossland
It takes too long to load up and watch, and then you gotta turn the volume up, you can read in silence, too, in the middle of the night.
People can't absorb video.
tim pool
People can read faster than they can watch a video.
So people even say they'll listen to TimCast's IRL on 2x speed.
Which is crazy, considering I talk so fast as it is!
But they'll do it!
Because they can understand it!
natalie winters
On Spotify, you can do 3x.
3x speed!
tim pool
I wonder if there's anybody out there- I'll get the whole show done in 30 minutes.
ian crossland
If anybody gets the transcript of this and reads it, The two-hour show. Yeah, that would be insane. That'd be
tim pool
nuts. It's got a two-hour show, is it tens of thousands of words?
Every episode is a book.
ian crossland
And then you get to hear the tone, too, you know.
The tone's like half the battle. If not more. 90 percent.
90 percent of communication is body language. Is that true?
tim pool
But so there's that bell curve of if you're so
a book or something playing audio probably makes sense.
Short conversations, really annoying to listen to.
You know, I'm sorry, I can't stand it.
Do not send me voice memos.
I will press delete instantly.
I don't have two minutes to listen to your thoughts when I can read the whole thing in ten seconds.
It's just like, I'll look at my, we're gonna mess up my phone, I'm gonna look and it'll show like the waveform, I'm like, delete.
natalie winters
Or just leave a voicemail because then there's at least the attempted transcription.
tim pool
Exactly.
Yeah, I won't check my voicemail either.
I'll read whatever I get sent and I'll just delete.
Text to me, dude.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Text really did revolutionize the way people communicate instantly.
I don't think voice memos can really compete with them.
ian crossland
No, it's good for data transfer.
For why Friggs is suffering.
tim pool
No, why Elon Musk is calling Zuckerberg a cuck.
ian crossland
Because it rhymes.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, so are they fighting?
That's my other question.
Where's this Coliseum fight that I was promised?
ian crossland
I think in Rome, at the Colosseum.
hannah claire brimelow
Are they doing it for sure?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Lex Freedman's encouraging them not to actually battle, but just to spar and become sparring partners for the good of humanity.
Because if they get head trauma, I mean, both of them know.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's a duel.
You remember when Alexander Hamilton died in that duel?
We could have another big moment like this.
This is part of culture.
ian crossland
They could bet their companies and the winner takes all.
We're talking about consolidation.
hannah claire brimelow
The winner is like, but I don't want your company because it's terrible.
tim pool
Yeah, the thing about the old duels, it was that, you know, duels used to be legit, people would kill each other, then it went and became like an honor thing where you wouldn't actually try to kill the other guy, it was about whether or not you'd show up, but it's kind of like, you know, look, and I guess with Hamilton and Burr, Hamilton was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and fight off to the side, like, we get it, we're here, and then Burr was like, screw you, and like, actually wanted to kill him, so he agreed to it, and his sacred honor was intact as he died.
And then the young people were like, this is crazy.
Why are you dueling?
We should stop this.
ian crossland
That was the last duel in the United States?
tim pool
I don't think it was the last one.
But dueling ultimately started to fade out because young people thought it was barbaric.
ian crossland
My thoughts on what Elon's doing is this is all publicity.
Massive publicity for Twitter and for Meta right now.
Both those companies, their valuations are skyrocketing.
hannah claire brimelow
None of this makes him look bad, I think.
I mean, maybe this is like slightly immature, but you know, ultimately, He's staying in everyone's heads.
He's still the thing that we're talking about.
ian crossland
Like the two of the most influential billionaires on earth and they're just having fun and playing around.
Like that's a good thing.
tim pool
I want to talk about this story with Jack White.
And the first thing I want to say is it's very strange to me that Variety didn't include Joe Rogan's name here because they had an excellent opportunity for clickbait.
Jack White slams disgusting Mark Wahlberg, Mel Gibson and more for interacting with fascist racist piece of ass Donald Trump.
Okay, here's the post.
Official Jack White.
He disabled... I think he disabled comments.
Anyway, he says, Anybody who normalizes or treats this disgusting, fascist, racist, conman, disgusting piece of ish Trump with any level of respect is also disgusting in my book.
That's you, Joe Rogan.
You, Mel Gibson.
You, Mark Wahlberg.
You, Guy Fieri.
This is a statement from me, not a discussion, debate, Jack White III.
Well, Trump derangement syndrome is back in full swing as we gear up for 2024.
How excited are you guys for this?
unidentified
You would never see this.
Like, if Joe Rogan shook Obama's hand, you would never see the reverse of this.
Right.
No one would.
No one would even bat an eye.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think any of them would be like, Obama talks to conspiracy theorists and misthink peddler Joe Rogan?
Like, do you think there'd be any pushback for Obama?
Because I feel like for a while people really doubted Joe Rogan.
Let's never forget the COVID era.
ian crossland
Probably not, because pretty much everybody loves Joe Rogan in this political arena, and then everyone else loves Obama.
And then the press simps for Obama, so I would imagine they wouldn't go hard.
There wouldn't be anyone to go hard against them.
This is like this Jack White man.
He's not punk.
This is like him thinking he's punk rock when he's 58 and afraid of somebody.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's weird to be like, I'm going to publicly tell you my opinion, but I don't want anyone to comment on it.
You should just keep it inside your head then.
tim pool
What would Jack White do if Trump was there and everyone was meeting him?
Probably avoid eye contact.
He'd be like, oh you guys, you're bigots!
Yeah, okay dude.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, people did refuse to go to the White House.
Didn't we have several, like, professional sports teams that won whatever?
I'm not very good with sports.
But that declined to go to the White House.
And the press gleefully reported on this over and over again.
And then when I think, did the Patriots end up going to the White House after they won the Super Bowl or something?
And people were like, oh, interesting.
Why would they do that?
I guess they're going to go meet Trump.
Like, it's just a regular thing that athletes do.
You guys are the ones making it such a histrionic fit.
tim pool
It says a lot when people disable comments.
And Jack White deleted comments, then he posted a grey block that allows comments.
It's just like... I don't know, man.
I'm tired.
Eight some odd years of this psychotic Trump derangement syndrome?
Like, Jack White, you don't even know anything about politics.
You're some dude.
What is wrong with you?
A MMA commentator Met the president- former president, shook his hand.
That's it?
unidentified
That's- it's all- it's like Joe Rogan's like shaking his hand, he's like, hey, nice to meet you, and that's it.
tim pool
And so he posts a clip of it being like, you're disgusting, Joe Rogan.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, the other thing is, like, if he had seen Trump, he would have, like, what, walked away uncomfortably?
Like, he wouldn't have confronted Trump about it.
He would—he—he—someone who's acting like this, I don't think, has the courage to, like, publicly reprimand this apparently terrible person.
So, I don't really understand what this person's point is.
Like, let everybody like Trump who likes him, and if you don't want to talk to him, don't freak out.
tim pool
Isn't it interesting that Joe Biden is facing a primary?
He's the incumbent.
hannah claire brimelow
It's hard to wrap your mind around.
It seems crazy to me.
I really thought they would have announced that he was not going to run for a second term because he is so clearly unable to operate in a healthy and functional manner.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's part of this, like, arrest whistleblowers and then let them out later thing.
Because, like, while the person's in power, they want the whistleblower to go away.
And then later, when they're out of power, they're willing to let them out.
But I think that the Bidens are afraid that if they get ousted, there's going to be a lot of, like, peering into their finances, and that could be very bad for the family.
tim pool
I just mean in terms of the level of hatred for Donald Trump, this like psychotic fury at him, and at the same time, the indifference and the disinterest in Joe Biden.
It's like even the people who hate Donald Trump care more about Donald Trump than any Democrat cares about Joe Biden, to the point where there's actually a predicted market with Other people who might win the Democratic primary, despite the fact we don't know if there will be one, and Joe Biden, the incumbent, has announced he's running again, there is still a chance he doesn't.
Most people, I think, in politics are probably assuming he's not going to, even though the prediction markets are saying he's going to.
It just feels like the system is done.
ian crossland
I don't get the Trump stuff.
Even from that perspective of he's the other, he's dangerous, it's not that bad.
He was never that bad.
He was just kind of annoying.
I guess the people that are just easily swayed get very afraid at the thought of losing out or... And he was built to be this terrible
hannah claire brimelow
monster. I mean, the media and his opponents really made Trump this larger than life figure
that represents all evil. I mean, it was, it was like, the term never-Trumper existed for a reason.
He was absolutely the epitome of everything you couldn't let happen to the country.
I mean, obviously, I don't believe that, and I think that's kind of a hysterical position to take.
But, you know, to Tim's point, there was an NBC poll that said half of all Democrats think Joe Biden is too old to run, yet they still dislike Republicans more.
Like, it doesn't—none of it makes sense.
They don't like their own candidate.
They don't believe their—they don't believe their incumbent— They only have hate.
Exactly.
It's all bitterness.
tim pool
On the conservative side, on the Republican side, even with the Libertarians, there's debate over Trump, questions around Trump.
Even the Libertarians, I love it, will bring on some Mises Caucus guys, and they'll say, no, no, no, we're not Trump fans.
But they will concede some points, and they'll go, well, you know, okay, I can respect that, because they're actually listening and having a reasonable conversation.
Republicans, right now you've got the DeSantis camp, they hate Trump, the Trump camp hates DeSantis, and that's like normal primary banter and bickering and stuff.
But Donald Trump, you've got people who love him and support him, people who are like, eh, well, you know, he's the best we can get, people who are slightly indifferent.
The Democrats, for the most part, overwhelmingly, don't have anything positive to say about any of their candidates.
The people who are praising RFK, us.
We're the ones praising RFK, and he's a Democrat.
The Democratic Party and the corporate press despise him.
They rag on him all day.
Joe Biden is mocked relentlessly, still defended to a certain degree in the corporate press, but no sane human is going outside being like, woo Joe Biden!
But those same Democrat people on the left are screaming how they hate Donald Trump.
I just find that very, very interesting with a story like this.
ian crossland
Do you think that he was not co-opted by the Chinese movement?
We were talking before the show about the, what's this party?
natalie winters
The United Front?
ian crossland
This is cool, this is the first time I've heard this.
natalie winters
My favorite thing to talk about.
ian crossland
Yeah, and so as you're studying the United Front, it's an alliance of groups against... Can you explain the United Front really quick?
natalie winters
Sure, sure, sure, I won't go full nerd, but the United Front is basically the Chinese Communist Party's political warfare department.
They spend billions of dollars targeting really who's who in the West, whether it's academics, elites, think tankers, politicians, their staff, people even in college all the way down to the high school level, really a pipeline of people who become the most influential decision makers And Hunter Biden is a perfect example.
We were talking before the show, you know, Hunter Biden wasn't really that enterprising in that the sense that in the sense that you don't miss the forest for the trees, right?
There are a lot of people like Hunter Biden.
It's not like Hunter Biden was out looking to make inroads with the Chinese Communist Party.
The Chinese Communist Party knew exactly who he was and the avenues whereby the Chinese Communist Party can liaise and get in business and really get Westerners on their payroll, which then nine times out of ten translates into whether it's preferred policies or nice think tank papers or nice talking points in the mainstream media, that's how they do it.
ian crossland
And Trump came out very hard against China when he was running.
Did the United Front, they were not able to get him co-opted?
And so they just started printing in the media, hate this guy, hate this guy, until we can get a president that is sympathetic?
natalie winters
So, believe it or not, one of the leading groups of the United Front is a group called the China United States Exchange Foundation.
They were paying to take Western journalists overseas on trips to China in exchange for, and I quote directly, favorable coverage and to disseminate positive messages.
And Donald Trump, along with a bunch of other United Front groups, actually banned them from operating in the United States, effectively sanctioned them, even though they're like cultural groups, but he shut down a lot of these cultural exchange programs.
That's like the euphemistic term that they use to describe what they were doing with
this group QSAF, same with the Confucius Institutes.
So Trump, as much as people mock him for, oh, he doesn't understand, you know, they
would always say Trump makes America look like a fool on the world stage, right?
They love that line.
They love that refrain.
His understanding of Chinese Communist Party influence and a lot of that you can chalk
up to the wonderful people who are in there and around him, people like Peter Navarro,
who really got Chinese Communist Party infiltration.
But for someone who studied this and my career has been in this, he really attacked them
with a level of nuance that you've never seen from anyone.
But I will say on what what Jack White said, which I do like his music, but it's OK.
It sort of throws me back to like 2016, which isn't necessarily a good thing, but I think that sort of gives an interesting insight to the mind of the like typical, you know, Trump derangement syndrome NPC type character.
In other words, not that you obviously you always see anti-Trump stuff, But what he said, the racist, sexist, you know, fascist, like that's so 2016 playbook.
And it's obviously all grandstanding, right?
He's like hoping to genuflect and have people say, oh, you're so wonderful, even though he turned the comments off.
But it's almost like now that Trump is back in the news cycle, he's running again and he's looking like the strongest candidate to emerge.
It's like in their NPC mind, it's like muscle memory, right?
It's like must start attacking Trump again, must start going after him.
Oh, what are the words that I've always used to describe him?
Uh, fascist, racist, sexist, so in some ways I think it sort of shows that, like, Trump is under their skin, always has been, and after all this time, after all the eight years, all the investigations and Russia collusion hoaxes and everything that they were going after him for, the best that they still have to attack him is that he's a racist, fascist piece of...
ian crossland
Homophobic, bigot, xenophobe.
natalie winters
We're creative.
We're at least better with our critiques.
We're so good they have to indict us when we're whistleblowers.
They have to go after us with the DOJ.
All they say against Trump is, oh, he's racist.
ian crossland
a racist nazi when you were saying the nbc i think you're talking about nbc poll i was i thought you said npc poll so if someone could doctor that up the nbc npc meme just change the b for a p that would be even funnier if the actual npcs were like he's probably too old anyway so no republicans Let's celebrate some victories.
unidentified
Yay!
tim pool
Another story from the post-millennial.
Sound of Freedom is a smashing success projected to earn over $40 million in opening week.
Tremendous!
It was an amazing film.
I vouch for it.
I give it a 10 out of 10.
I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.
The theater was crying.
It was a really, really great film, a great thriller.
Angel Studios is announcing that, I'm sorry, estimates are predicting a massive $40 million at the box office in its opening week.
In a press release head of theatrical distribution for Angel Studios, Brandon Purdy said, as with our July 4th numbers, today's numbers exceed our expectations and we're going to continue this momentum.
Sound of Freedom has taken on a life of its own.
Winning.
ian crossland
That's huge.
hannah claire brimelow
I love the way they promoted this movie.
I mean, one of the things that I saw in lead up was like, buy a ticket for someone else because we want to get, what was it, several million people to the theater to represent, you know, all the children who are involved in in trafficking and I thought that was really cool. It was
sort of refreshing and this is not by any means associated with the Barbie movie but you know Barbie
movie has been largely about like very staged press appearances and you know it's kind of
cool if that's your thing but also this one had sort of more meaning to it and I think people are
really hungry to feel like they are they are part of the change in the world.
natalie winters
I actually watched it last night.
And it was so wonderful.
But I went home and I felt like I've been radicalized.
I was like, Oh my gosh, so I started looking up stuff.
And you know, I love my deleted web pages.
So actually, I published a story today.
Biden's DOJ So they have a child sex trafficking website and not in that sense, like it's their informational page where they actually talk about their subject areas that they focus on.
And in May of 2023, they revised, which keep in mind, weird timing, right?
That's like three years into the year, two years into the administration.
but they actually revised the child sex trafficking portion of the DOJ website
and they, I kid you not, removed the subheadings and multi-paragraph explanations
of international sex trafficking of minors, domestic sex trafficking of minors,
and child victims of prostitution, and they reworded what exactly they defined child sex trafficking as,
taking out a whole blurb where they talk about how it involves, like, the transportation between two countries.
So that made my, like, conspiratorial mind go, like, what the heck?
hannah claire brimelow
Your brain just lights up.
natalie winters
And if you read the blurbs that they deleted, it's literally talking about how open borders make child sex trafficking a heck of a lot easier.
And when I saw that, I was like, That's like, just imagine you're like some Biden staffer, like your job is like you run the DOJ's website.
What would take over you to delete that from the informational webpage about child sex?
It's just bizarre.
tim pool
Why do they do it?
Because they're trafficking children?
unidentified
I'm not saying that, but I would like an explanation.
ian crossland
What a good tactic to learn.
Rather than read the old one and read the new one, you read what was removed.
It's like an elimination diet.
natalie winters
That's what I do. I do my text comparisons and I see what they take out and you connect.
They took they deleted their it was called the China challenge website where they described
the Chinese Communist Party is like an existential threat to the United States on the first day
of the Biden administration. They also took down a web page profiling all of the atrocities and
basically genocide going on against the Uyghurs and Xinjiang.
They literally took China off the list of adversarial threats, taking on and taking over the United States.
So you can tell a lot.
And all this was done the first day of the Biden administration.
So someone is very, very radical who's running their websites.
I just can't believe they took that.
tim pool
This film was made five years ago, and for some reason they wouldn't put it out.
And it was very, very difficult for them to finally do it.
And it makes 40 million bucks in its opening week, which is massive for any indie film.
ian crossland
And it's really massive accounting that it made 10 million on the first day.
tim pool
14.5.
ian crossland
14.5 on the first day.
So that's 25 million in the six following days, which is huge for an indie film to go from To increase its, I guess, to make 150% of its opening day over the course of the week.
I would have thought that indicates that it got a lot of good publicity, I think, and word of mouth.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think a lot of people are referring other people to the movie, which hopefully will mean it sustains the profit margins for a long time.
natalie winters
It's a grassroots movie.
tim pool
What this means is that anti-establishment, anti-woke, libertarian-minded individuals, conservatives, suspected liberals, whatever this group is, actually engaging in the culture war.
ian crossland
I know one guy that said he bought a ticket and didn't want to go, because he didn't know if he could handle it, but he still wanted to support the movie.
I don't hear that about a lot of movies.
natalie winters
But I am excited for Barbie.
hannah claire brimelow
I am too!
I don't mean to shade Barbie, but I did think this idea that they were saying, like, the most important thing to us is that people sit in the theater and see the movie.
So if you can buy a ticket for someone else, like, if you can help people get this message out there, that's what we care about.
And I think that is the part of the culture war that people are really wanting to be part of.
It's not the Threshade of Barbie at all.
Barbie can do a great... I mean, all the success in the world to Barbie, but I think it is interesting that this movie that... You're right.
I mean, it would be hard to watch.
It would be hard to see.
People are still flocking to see it.
They want to know what's going on and hopefully it's... Barbie had that scene.
tim pool
They're getting slammed because it shows the lines coming out of China.
hannah claire brimelow
The nine dash lines.
tim pool
The nine dash lines.
There's only eight in the movie, but it represents China's claim over the South China Sea.
And that's in Barbie?
And so the movie's getting banned in a bunch of Southeast Asian countries?
hannah claire brimelow
It's this whole abstract world map and it's like this dashed S line.
In real life it's basically like a U. It makes me wonder, was that intentional?
Barbie hasn't said, or the makers of Barbie I should say, haven't said if this was intentional.
tim pool
They want to make money in China!
hannah claire brimelow
Right!
natalie winters
Or... Now I can't see Barbie.
hannah claire brimelow
I almost wonder if they're They had no idea what they were doing.
I think they want to make money in China.
I think that's ultimately it.
But I do like the idea that someone drew the map and was like, I don't know, I looked up a map and there were some dashes.
natalie winters
There's any movie that could play the Don Blanc card.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's this.
natalie winters
This is their out.
hannah claire brimelow
We had no idea what we were doing.
unidentified
That's actually what they said.
They said it's just a fake map that Barbie drew up.
But why did Barbie know about the lines?
Yeah, if it's such a silly, cartoonish map, why are those lines there?
hannah claire brimelow
And I don't know, Vietnam banned it.
See?
Exactly.
tim pool
So we have it.
You can see it right here.
hannah claire brimelow
Um, I don't know if... The Philippines was reviewing this and they were saying maybe, some of their lawmakers were suggesting perhaps this scene could be edited out so this map doesn't appear, but I don't know how that would end up.
tim pool
It may just be, if you look over here on the other parts of the map, there are other dotted lines.
It may have been to represent just, like, traveling, not actually anything, and because there's lines coming out of Asia.
Like, this is not even the shape of Asia.
Like, what is this?
hannah claire brimelow
No, it's a complete abstract map because it's silly, but on the other hand, I do like the idea that someone just was like, map of the world, didn't think about it at all, and now they've like entered this movie into a huge geopolitical debate.
ian crossland
Yes, yeah, the people in the film and movie industry a lot of times are very manipulative with imagery.
So they might have been like, this is a travel path, but they happen to make the travel path, the cutout that they want to be given to the Chinese.
Authority.
That's possible.
hannah claire brimelow
And we'll probably never know.
I mean, no one's gonna come out and explain it.
tim pool
You have two choices this weekend, America.
You can support China by watching Barbie, or you can support America and saving kids by watching Sound of Freedom.
Which way?
hannah claire brimelow
Oppenheimer as a third choice is not on the table.
unidentified
Oppenheimer?
tim pool
Did you see it?
Are people seeing it?
Is it good?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
unidentified
No.
hannah claire brimelow
I never see any movies.
Don't look at me.
ian crossland
I gotta go see Sound of Freedom.
I think I might go tomorrow.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Bro, you're gonna be crying the whole time.
ian crossland
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Oh, jeez.
I gotta do it, though.
tim pool
Dude, the opening scene is so well done in that movie.
What I was saying earlier is, like, everyone here has seen Up, right?
unidentified
No.
No?
tim pool
You haven't seen Up?
unidentified
Yeah, no, no.
ian crossland
Wow!
Is it, like, good?
unidentified
Well, the first... The first sequence is amazing.
hannah claire brimelow
It's really solid.
tim pool
The first 15 minutes will leave you bawling your eyes out in Up.
And then the rest of the movie is kind of like, I don't even care.
hannah claire brimelow
I liked that.
I saw it with children, though, and I was like, solid.
I don't have to worry about anything in here.
tim pool
The first 15 minutes or whatever is one of the best short films ever.
And then afterwards, it's silly nonsense I don't care about.
ian crossland
Was it a short movie that they turned into a feature length?
tim pool
No.
It's like basically the intro to the film to explain why the movie's happening.
I mean, look, I'm gonna spoil it up for you because it's been a very long time.
ian crossland
Let me tell you what I know of it by not having seen it.
It's a guy whose house they're gonna repossess and he's like, no, I'd rather fly away and he ties balloons to his house.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's just with no words the story of how he got his house and what led him to It's him as a little kid meeting a little girl.
tim pool
Then it's a montage with music of them growing up.
They long to travel the world.
They have a jar.
They're saving up money, but then things keep happening.
There's a leak in the roof.
The car breaks down.
So they keep breaking open the savings and spending the savings on things other than their dream trip.
And then one day his wife- Blackrock wants to buy it.
His wife dies.
And so he's this old curmudgeon who lives in this house and now his city's sprung up around him.
And so that's like the first 10 minutes or whatever.
In Sound of Freedom, The opening credits has real video of children being snatched by traffickers.
Not- they're- okay, so there's like the opening credits, and then there's the opening scene.
The opening credits has real video of children being snatched by traffickers.
ian crossland
Dang, dude.
tim pool
It's terrifying.
Like...
It's horrifying.
To see how, like, it's surveillance footage of two little kids, like, playing basketball at their house, and a car pulls up and they just grab the kid and throw him in.
The other kid starts freaking out.
Just like that.
But the opening sequence, basically, without spoiling anything, just lays out the general concept of what's happening.
And it's, it was like, it was a weird kind of fear.
I've seen, you watch a horror movie and you're like, oh man, there's gonna be a jump scare or something.
You're like, scared.
You're not really scared.
Yo, I was kind of scared watching.
I'm like, in the beginning, with everything that's going on, I'm feeling like this fear and this dread, this doom, because I know exactly... You watch, you know exactly what's about to happen, and then you watch it happen, and then your fear, anger, and dread becomes like anger and sadness.
It's a good movie, man.
ian crossland
I guess sadness is better than fear.
So yeah, it's worth seeing.
tim pool
But it's like a kind of fear where you know where it's going, and you're waiting for it to happen, and like, oh man.
Do you feel... I recommend it.
ian crossland
Do you feel better equipped to deal with it on the global stage having seen that movie?
tim pool
Oh, I don't know. I think it I think that movie is going to put it in people's minds, though.
And I think a whole lot of people in Hollywood and DC are freaking out right now. And how
successful this is. So that's your third reason to go see it. The first is because it's a good movie.
The second is because we want to build up alternate studios who can compete with Hollywood.
And the third reason is to piss off the creepos who are in Hollywood and DC,
who are fuming that people are starting to call out their creepy grooming trafficking behavior.
And a lot of questions about some prominent individuals and the
things they've been up to on certain islands.
natalie winters
I saw it last night, like at 6 p.m.
on a Sunday.
The theater, seriously, entirely packed.
I got one of the last two seats that they had available, and I didn't really know what I was walking into.
Part of me was like, do I need to wear a hat?
Like, is it going to be all, like, war room audience, you know?
Because we had been promoting, and I was like, oh, I don't have security.
Like, no, no.
tim pool
We're going to clap for you.
natalie winters
It was actually amazing because it was such a, I don't usually use the word diverse in a good way, but it was such a diverse audience.
It wasn't just Trump support, QAnon crazies.
It was normal people, all ages, all walks of life.
And you start to hear the conversations around you.
And I was just sort of listening to understand why people were there, which I guess maybe is weird.
I'm eavesdropping.
But people were just like, oh, yeah, I heard this movie is really good.
Yeah, one of my friends was talking Like it was very just organic, it wasn't like people sitting there like, oh well I was reading the latest Q-Drop and they said I had to go, you know what I mean?
Like it was normal, not that, but it was just like... It was just word of mouth, people recommending it to each other.
tim pool
The media keeps trying to frame it as a religion movie.
And I was just like, there's like, there's the only thing in it that can any way be attributed to religion is when he says God's children are not for sale.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
The rest is literally like a law enforcement drama.
There's some heist components, sting components.
It's like if you like Law & Order SVU, this is like 100 fold better than Law & Order SVU, but it's like that.
It's like a cop going and rescuing kids and stuff like, I just, I want to tell you, I'm going to wait a little bit because I want to do the spoiler review where I just actually talk about everything.
But here's what I think is happening.
We go and see it.
We do the show, we're like, wow, it was fantastic.
Then other people are like, oh, OK, I guess I'll go see it.
Now that it's reached this point of virality, I'm sure it's going to be sold out all this week and they may even make more money this week.
The news report's coming out saying, you know, smashing success, excellent reviews, $40 million in its opening week.
That's gonna lead people to be like, oh man, I should go see this movie.
And you should go see it, because I regret not seeing Nefarious in theaters.
I watched Nefarious on Amazon when it came out, and wow, that was also such a good film.
If you haven't seen Nefarious, you should totally watch it.
Get it wherever you can get it.
It's on Amazon.
I don't know if you like Amazon, but Nefarious was awesome.
I don't know if you guys watch Nefarious?
ian crossland
No.
Oh, that was a good one.
hannah claire brimelow
It was really interesting.
And Steve Deef was on the show, and he was, because he wrote the book, and he was talking about it, and he's so nice, and so well-spoken, and I was like, oh, cool, this movie.
I was, it's crazy to think this is the creation.
And again, I I love anything that makes you think, and I think that's why this idea of telling the story of human trafficking through a movie is important, because people need to understand what the consequences are.
And I think some of the themes that come up in Nefarious are the same way.
Your brain needs something to do with itself.
It needs to think.
tim pool
Can we spoil Nefarious now?
It's been a while for Nefarious, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's been like at least six months.
Yeah, okay, well I'll do only- What's the rule on spoiling things?
Is there like a time limit?
Well, because if we're encouraging- Because I've still never watched Titanic, but I basically know what happens in that.
ian crossland
I was just reading about Titanic.
tim pool
You can spoil that.
ian crossland
That's what I was looking at.
tim pool
But if I'm trying to convince people to go watch a movie, I don't want to spoil it.
I want to be like, you gotta go see it.
So you definitely should watch Nefarious 2.
You can watch that one tonight.
But, um, I'll spoil it a little bit.
I it when my favorite part of the movie like and this is a this is a key component and you'll it's like right in the beginning so i'm not going to spoil anything serious the the murderer is like by the end of tonight you'll have committed three murders and like this is a talk it's a movie where they talk it's like a handful of dudes talking for for an hour and a half in like one in one room the whole movie happens in basically one 90% one room in a prison with some stuff outside of it.
And it's just like, I'll put it this way, the guy says, by the end of the night you'll have committed three murders to a doctor, to like a psychologist, psychiatrist.
And then basically they talk through everything and you gotta see it because it's really, really good.
I thought it was fantastic.
And it's funny because I'm really jaded on movies.
You know, I have a subscription to Shudder.
I can't watch half those movies anymore.
You know what I mean?
It's just like, it's all jump scares.
It's all like, I swear 80% of horror movies is like a young woman moves into a new house and then a ghost is there.
And it's like, okay, a child uncovers object, object is haunted.
And I'm like, sure, whatever.
hannah claire brimelow
There's nothing new.
natalie winters
I've watched so much stuff on two times speed.
I like to even push it to two and a half times speed that it's actually hard for my brain to watch movies now.
Because it's so slow, which I know is so bad and so autistic.
But Sound of Freedom is the first movie that I've watched in years.
ian crossland
What prompted you to go see it?
natalie winters
Because it wasn't just, I honestly also think movies are sort of a waste of time.
Like, I know we're getting into my personal, but I don't know, I would just rather do something with my body rather than go for a walk or like write a story.
hannah claire brimelow
I have a hard time sitting still for movies.
natalie winters
Yeah, I'm also, because I'm like fidgeting in the chair.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you and me both, we're just sitting over here rocking.
It's easier to watch movies for me at home when you're like doing something else, like embroidering or folding laundry or like whatever else.
natalie winters
I can't watch stuff on regular speed now.
I have to watch it on two times speed.
ian crossland
Do you watch movies on two times speed?
natalie winters
So most streaming platforms don't really cater to that, and also I feel like that would just be... Also, how do you watch a movie with someone and you're like, hey, would you mind if we Netflix and chill on two times speed?
That would be really bad.
ian crossland
Do you ever watch multiple movies at the same time just to...
natalie winters
When I was watching a lot of opposition research, so, like, old speeches from Biden and Biden appointees and, like, people in the Hunter Biden hard drive orbit, I actually did master that act, and I texted my boss at the time and was like, well, I'm concurrently watching these three spe- and he's like, how are you doing?
And honestly, I don't, like, I don't even know how it's possible, but you can, if you're just listening for certain words, you can do it.
hannah claire brimelow
If you're searching for something, and that's, I think, so hard with, like, a lot of movies, I find myself just, uh, Pre-empting how the plot is gonna go so it's not it's not fun.
natalie winters
We can watch movies on 2x speed together.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you and I would be fine.
We'll just sit there walk around the room 2x speed guessing the plot like it's totally but I think that's one of the things I loved about Nefarious was that it was just a format I was not expecting for a movie and you're not really sure what's gonna happen next as opposed to what Tim's talking about with with horror movies in particular there's only so many combinations of like the ghost can come from the wall or the floor like Yeah, at some point you run out.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like the the music box was haunted.
The next movie is like a single mother moves into a home and the the cupboard is haunted.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm the worst because like at the beginning of TV shows, I'll be like, oh, they're gonna fall in love.
They're enemies right now, but they're gonna fall in love and like no one likes to watch anything with me because it's the whole a whole time.
I'm just figuring out who's gonna end up together.
tim pool
I want to jump to this segment here, this story.
Once again, another story from the post-millennial.
Joe Rogan and Elon Musk call out MSNBC for suggesting being healthy and in shape is far-right.
I love it.
This is what winning looks like, okay?
We've had a whole bunch of culture war victory segments today.
Joe Rogan tweets in response to MSNBC who said, the far-right's obsession with fitness is going digital.
He said being healthy is quote, far-right holy F.
Patrick bet David with the best response says, does that hold the inverse being true?
That the left's obsession with being fat is going digital.
But but this isn't.
So this is really funny.
Because if you guys know the Krasensteins are, we've had them on the show.
They're liberal pundits.
Brian Krasenstein, I think it was Brian, he posted a video of himself working out.
And looking pretty fit, you know, good for him.
hannah claire brimelow
I missed the far right pipeline.
unidentified
But that's what I said.
tim pool
I said, careful, Brian.
You keep it up.
You're going to become far right.
And a bunch of leftists and liberals started attacking me for it.
And I was like, dude, I'm kidding.
Like, I was, I'm joking.
I, I, I interacted with the guy positively on, on, on Twitter.
I recently shouted him out.
He said, let's not fight.
Let's like, you know, he said, not everybody's crazy and extreme.
You know, we just, we just see the world differently.
I respect it.
And I was like, you know, all joking aside, keep it up, bro.
Looking good.
And the funny thing now is even he responded to this being like, what?
Like, being in shape is far right?
And I'm like, I warned you.
Like, I told you, dude.
They will call you right wing if you're into fitness.
That's how psychotic the cult is.
Yo, they legit want you unhealthy, unhappy, eating bugs, and living in a pod.
ian crossland
I can understand if people are getting in shape because they feel like they're going to get attacked, that it might be like a form of, like, a result of being radicalized.
Like, I'm so afraid for my life now.
I've got to defend myself.
But if you just want to get healthy and muscular so you can carry your kids around, I mean, come on.
hannah claire brimelow
But isn't this like the left all the time?
They're saying, you're going to misgender me.
You're going to have microaggressions for me.
Like, wouldn't that mean that they should be the ones getting in shape to defend themselves?
tim pool
So check it out, here's the tweet that everyone's responding to.
Posted July 10th, 2023, right?
Here's the story, written March 22nd, 2022.
MSNBC knows that they're sparking controversy.
Have you guys ever seen those videos?
There's a couple.
Like, a woman will have a counter, and she'll go like, okay, here's what we're gonna do, and then she'll take a bag, like an industrial bag of nacho cheese, and just dump it on the counter, and then she'll take a bunch of chips and pour all over the cheese, and then start mixing it with her hands, and you're like, what is she doing?
hannah claire brimelow
You, like, hate watching it?
tim pool
So uncomfortable.
Exactly.
They're not real tips.
I watched one where it's like, she pours, like, vinegar into a pan, then pours cream, and puts an egg in the middle, and she's like, trust me, and I'm like, no.
It's intended to trick you into watching for a long time so they make money.
That's what MSNBC is doing.
That's what the left cult is.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and in particular, it's sparking it on Twitter.
MSNBC knows that people, it's, it's, uh, the algorithm will respond to its tweet getting a lot of engagement.
And engagement doesn't have to be positive.
It doesn't have to be a bunch of people saying, oh, we love, great story, good, good reporting.
People arguing in the comments makes it look like a lot of people are interacting with the post, which technically they are, although they are screaming at one another.
That's the same thing with these food videos where it's like, What is she doing?
Is this a joke?
All of the debate makes the video seem popular to the algorithm.
ian crossland
I'm still taken aback that this is a year-old story that they're sending viral right now.
unidentified
Oh, bro!
tim pool
Arnold!
Arnold has chimed in.
He says, fitness is not political, right or left.
All of us can benefit from the lessons of progressive resistance training, creating a vision goal, building a routine, doing the reps, learning to love failure.
The list goes on.
If you don't know where to start, Arnold's Pump Club.
See, I can respect that.
Everybody's basically being like, dude.
Bridget Phetasy says, the only way to prove you're not a Nazi is to get fat.
Apparently that's the only way.
Look at this.
It's amazing.
These are all the responses of everyone just mocking MSNBC.
ian crossland
Yep, here's Abby Libby on Twitter saying, someone please inform MSNBC I'm about to do a little far-right extremism diving into the lap pool.
To go exercise.
tim pool
We should just call exercising far-right extremism.
You guys wanna go engage in some far-right extremism at the gym tomorrow?
hannah claire brimelow
But then they'll probably strike down gym classes from schools, because after all the years of being like, kids need exercise, they'll be like, we can't indoctrinate children to be conservative.
ian crossland
There's gotta be more to this story.
tim pool
Here's more to the story.
NewsGuard rates MSNBC.com 57 out of 100.
Proceed with caution.
This website generally fails to maintain basic standards of accuracy and accountability.
hannah claire brimelow
Pence tweeting out a year-old story.
They're like, we don't care.
ian crossland
That's the old guard, man.
unidentified
Can you fact-check NewsGuard?
Is that even possible?
tim pool
Here's Fox News.
69.5 out of 100.
Fox News has more credibility, according to NewsGuard, than MSNBC does.
unidentified
Uh-oh!
tim pool
I can hear everyone's liberal aunt screeching and saying, that's not true!
NewsGuard is far right!
Okay, lady.
hannah claire brimelow
No, lady.
natalie winters
Go back to the gym.
tim pool
Go back to the gym.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you trying to convert her?
Are you trying to indoctrinate her with extremism?
tim pool
I'm a Pilates fan, so... But I do think that there is an obvious correlation between working out, being fit, and being conservative.
Yeah, I think so too. You're going to, like, two things.
One, someone who's willing to work out clearly sees the benefits of hard work for long-term gains
over short-term gains. Short-term, you're going to be tired, you're going to be sweaty. I
think working out really does feel fantastic, though. But long-term, you feel like, you know,
a bolt of lightning. You feel fantastic.
Somebody who feels that way probably already understands a lot of basic conservative concepts,
but then there's also the correlation between testosterone, you know, aggression, and being
You're gonna be more assertive, you're gonna be more confident, you're gonna feel better about yourself, working out will likely have you end up being more quote-unquote far-right.
But if this were true, just, like, every Nazi would be jacked.
And, like, the reality is, whenever you see, like, actual people waving Nazi flags, they're, like, very heavy.
Or very gaunt and frail-looking.
Like, not very healthy-looking individuals.
That's the weirdest thing, too.
It's like...
Why are- Why did MSNBC try to make this argument in the first place?
Are they trying to convince- Look at the- Look at this picture!
Can we just- Look at- It's a- It's- Okay.
It's a bunch of Nazis doing the Roman salute, and then there's a guy- A flexing arm.
What's the black- They're covering up.
unidentified
Oh, I don't know trying to cut like because it's artsy.
tim pool
Yeah, sure edgy Hyper-masculinity have always been central to the far right what how are these people simultaneously arguing that conservatives are like chuds?
ian crossland
Not also that they're super jacked and ripped hyper-masculinity was a big part of Mussolini's fascist thing.
He wanted to make the Italian River Masculine, so he changed the gender of the word of the name And he was big on like the fatherland and stuff like that, but that doesn't mean that working out in general makes you a fascist just because he
was masculine.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, or what if masculinity includes taking responsibility, thinking long-term?
Like, those don't have to be negative qualities no matter what mainstream
media thinks, right? There can be positive qualities of masculinity that result in
someone wanting to make sure they maintain a high level of physical
strength and health.
They've just decided these things are bad and they want to use phrases that make you scared of them, right?
That's why they put an image of Nazis on screen, to be like, you don't want to be hyper-masculine.
That's bad.
ian crossland
Hyper-masculine, so like what masculinity is like.
I guess you get too much testosterone, you stop feeling.
Is that the problem with masculinity?
You lose touch with your emotions because you're in touch with what you grab in front of you.
hannah claire brimelow
But is there any indication of that?
ian crossland
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
What's the fear?
ian crossland
I feel like that's not true.
I don't know.
What is your experience with testosterone?
Have you gone through T levels, high testosterone, low testosterone in your life?
tim pool
Well, I'm bald, so apparently that means I have a lot of testosterone, I guess.
ian crossland
You do have a lot?
tim pool
I don't know.
You're pretty driven.
I exercise a lot.
I skate a lot.
And I eat a lot of beef.
I didn't used to eat a lot of beef.
That's only recently.
I've been eating cheeseburgers like non-stop for some reason.
Don't ask me why.
It's like smash burgers.
natalie winters
You're going to say burgers.
Far-right extremism.
tim pool
Yeah.
No, but I typically would eat a lot of chicken and fish most of my life and actually don't like eating a lot of beef because I usually would get sick.
Actually, I was getting pretty sick because I too much... Oh man, you know, for dinner we made smash burgers.
But we fried them in bacon grease.
And I'm like, it's the most delicious thing I've ever had.
And then I was like, oh, my stomach hurts.
So maybe I should do that again.
Anyway, my point is, I've been exercising, I've been skating literally my whole life.
So there's two things that come with this.
Skateboarding is, I guess it's considered a high risk, high impact sport.
Jumping off buildings, jumping down stairs.
It's an adrenaline rush nonstop.
It's not like active conflict or anything, but a lot of people told me it's unsurprising that I got involved in urban conflict reporting stuff, because when you're skateboarding, you're looking at something that's terrifying and dangerous, and you're going for it every time, and it's giving you that adrenaline rush.
So you are desensitized to that shock, and then you're like, oh, I can go and handle this, I'm not gonna get hurt.
But the physical ability, the physical activity of it, you know, I would be in, you know, just before Occupy Wall Street, for instance, I would skate eight hours a day, every single day with like one or two days off per week.
And so I would, man, I was consuming thousands of calories per day, like insane amounts of calories to try and keep up.
And if I didn't, I would pass out.
Like, some days I would just eat a couple thousand calories and I would just be like, I'll just chill today and maybe skate tomorrow because I can't do it.
And then there would be days where I was just like, I was shedding weight really, really.
Like, this period where I was in Virginia, I was in Newport News and I was skating at a park called Anti-Gravity.
I was skating so often, I lost like 10 pounds in a couple weeks.
Just like... But that exercise builds muscle.
increases your testosterone levels, you're going to be a certain kind of person.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Also, probably when you got into skateboarding, you were like, I don't know how old you were, but like, uh, probably.
unidentified
Okay.
hannah claire brimelow
So you're a teenager, uh, boys going through puberty have obviously an increase in testosterone and it's linked to an increase in risk taking behavior.
So when your brain was forming, you learned how to take calculated risk physically.
Uh, I don't think these things, these traits of masculinity and testosterone don't have to be negative.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I think that they're conflating misogyny with masculinity.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's on purpose, though.
ian crossland
It could be, because the Andrew Tate stuff, he said some stuff that was misogynist.
He's going to get some guys, trick them, get fake women, guys that pretend like they're women to chat with dudes to get their money.
Using women as an object, that's a bit misogynist.
But he's also very masculine.
He works out, he eats healthy, he's about motivation.
So you've got to strip away the misogynist crap from the hyper-masculine stuff or the masculine stuff.
And working out is definitely more of a masculine trait.
Nothing about it is misogynistic, in my opinion.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I don't think it has to be.
And I think part of it too is...
Men in particular are visually oriented, right?
So that's one of the reasons.
It's one of the great differences between men and women.
So for men, obviously seeing another fit man makes you think, oh, okay, this guy is conveying strength to me for a lot of different reasons.
But also if you feel strong, you feel good, you feel healthy, you are going to convey confidence.
Like there are lots of benefits to working out emotionally, psychologically, and physically.
And the fact that we are treating them like Well, I've got good news for fans of the show.
admitting on some level that you're an extremist, like, that's terrible. We should encourage people
tim pool
to live healthy lives. I've got good news for fans of the show. We're putting out a new music video
soon, but it may be, you know, a month or two, as in soon.
And the reason, the song is done.
We need to film the video, and we could just film a video over a couple days, but instead
we're gonna be doing something much cooler than that.
And that is, the story centers around a guy who is, like, devolving.
He is withering away.
So, you know, throughout the course of the video, he's getting smaller, thinner, and frailer.
And so what we're doing is, Ian is going to film the final scene now, and then we're going to get him jacked with a very serious training regimen and massive amount of protein, and then he's going to film scene one.
So in the video, it actually goes in reverse order.
Like, in the first scene, you'll see Ian looking fit, kind of, you know, I don't want to say jacked or ripped or anything.
The idea is just to get Ian up 20 pounds of muscle or something like that.
And then by the end of it, Ian's looking as he does now.
ian crossland
It's so wild to consider doing a body change for a movie or role.
I've fantasized about it for 20 years.
Oh, what if I worked with a production company to pay me to get strong?
That's what it's all about in Hollywood when you land that role.
tim pool
We got a trainer.
ian crossland
Yep.
We have a trainer tomorrow I'm meeting with, Brandon.
And this last week, I started working out about a week ago.
I started doing 100 pushups a day and going for a mile on the exercise bike.
And then I stopped because I was like, okay, we got to film this first scene.
I've been just atrophying, and it's like my... Did you feel better when you were doing it?
So much.
But almost like I'm afraid of myself.
Like, the way I get aggressive, like, physically... Not aggressive, like, not... But it's the word.
The word is aggressive, I guess.
But it's not, like, dangerously aggressive.
hannah claire brimelow
So you just have more energy?
Is it aggressive, or are you just, like, more alert?
ian crossland
More, more like less nervous energy, more stabilized energy.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that doesn't have to be aggression.
That sounds good.
tim pool
I bring it up for fans of the show because all of this high protein, high fat, high training diet, Ian's going to be like 20 pounds of muscles, his shirts are going to be tight, and he's going to become extremely conservative.
He's going to be far right.
Him and Seamus are going to be high-fiving about religion.
ian crossland
I got all rid of all my large t-shirts.
I might have to, all medium and smalls now, so I might have to buy some new.
hannah claire brimelow
So really, we're just using this music video to test MSNBC's article.
We're gonna prove it.
If you become a far-right extremist over the course of filming, then we'll know they were right.
unidentified
We all owe them an apology.
tim pool
We gotta get Seamus.
ian crossland
Seamus gotta get ripped, dude.
He's gonna be so excited.
tim pool
Ian, all massive, sitting there in a tank top, being like, thanks for watching the show, guys.
ian crossland
I'll be doing a lot more t-shirts on the show.
natalie winters
Are far-right women who work out also masculine?
unidentified
Is that the logic train there, too?
hannah claire brimelow
They don't care about women.
unidentified
We're just the anti-man at MSNBC.
tim pool
It was written by a woman.
ian crossland
Women that learn how to cook are hyper far right.
hannah claire brimelow
Women who wear dresses, hyper far right.
ian crossland
I think that this is like about guys that want to put women in the kitchen barefoot, like that masculine and misogynist, but that's misogynist with their ripped bodies.
hannah claire brimelow
What if that means he's just like getting healthy so he can support their family and she can stay at home?
Like that sounds nice to me.
I get the idea of like someone being domineering is wrong.
Sure.
I get that.
But like, I think part of this is just the mainstream's anti-gender norms agenda, right?
Like they don't like the idea that a man would want to be strong and classically masculine because that must mean that he doesn't believe in the values we believe in because nothing means anything and there's no gender.
tim pool
I view it as the domestication of humans.
Because I think about how dogs came to be.
Wolves would scavenge.
The wolves that got close to the human camps were more likely to survive because there was more refuse to scavenge.
The humans that were less likely to fight off or scare off the wolves were more likely to survive because the wolves marking territory kept other larger predators away.
And then over thousands of years, The more, the closer a wolf could get to the humans, the more the human would tolerate, the higher likelihood of survival there was, until eventually, wolves would be walking through the camps, and they'd just be like, oh, we don't care.
Until eventually, wolves became proto-dogs, and then actually started hunting with humans, and then when humans realized, hey, like, these wolves are tracking down an elk, and then they'd run with the wolves, then they'd use a spear to take the game down, the wolves couldn't, they all got to eat better, right?
That's how dogs, they believe, came to be.
Ultimately, though, what dogs are?
Permanent wolf cubs.
Because the wolves that were aggressive would be killed or chased out by humans.
The wolves that were playful, happy, and loving were protected by humans.
So the wolves that survived became dogs.
Doofy, lovey, all happy.
Whereas wolves are like masculine and aggressive, like, back off man, this deer is mine.
natalie winters
They're far right.
tim pool
Dogs are like, I got a deer for you, can I have some?
And so what we're seeing now with all of this don't work out, be fat, be lazy, is masculinity is bad.
Being fit is far right!
Don't do those things.
They don't want a manly man who is confident, collected and cool, and capable of taking down game and living on his own terms.
They want sad, pathetic, doughy, dependent men.
They want people to be permanent children, like how dogs got domesticated.
ian crossland
You think that's like the technocrats?
The ones that want to put us in pods?
tim pool
It's the reptoids, bro.
It's all the lizard people underneath Denver Airport.
I'm kidding.
That's what I meant.
I think it may just be an emergent phenomenon.
I don't think anyone's actually intentionally doing it.
One of the things I think we see happening with words, terminology, opinion, is that women dominate journalism and writing fields.
And so you're getting this very feminine perspective on everything.
Sucks.
hannah claire brimelow
I would argue a feminist perspective, not feminine.
tim pool
Yeah, feminist.
Because it's not moms who are writing news articles, it's typically unmarried women working jobs who are writing it, so it's a hyper-feminist, spinster view of the world that we're getting through all of this media.
So they don't need no men!
Meanwhile, actual working moms and working dads who are very happy with the way things are and love having a family and women who want to be moms, they're less likely to be represented in the media spaces.
natalie winters
Going conspiratorial here, but I bet, like, the lady who wrote this, her boyfriend probably, like, broke up with her and you've probably just gotten into, like, working out and been going to the gym.
hannah claire brimelow
He left her for a gym check and she's, like, so mad.
natalie winters
They're far right.
He could never reject me.
It was the gym.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, the gym corrupted him.
No, I think there is something to that.
I mean, I think of the concept of, you know, like, Yelp or any review site.
If you're happy with something, You're probably not going to leave a good review.
Maybe you are and I hope you do if that's your habit, but most people are willing to act when they have a negative review, when they don't want to say something good.
So when you have these channels where you can critique things, it is tempting to always be like, well, this is bad and here's something you should fear and here's this other thing that's going to corrupt you and working out makes you terrible.
Like, it's just this very bitter culture that we see emerging, which is ultimately eating away at people's sense of self and joy.
ian crossland
I noticed that, and I decided to kind of try to counter that.
At some, like on Twitter, I had a great flight with Delta, and I tweeted it out.
Best flight I've had experience in my life.
Delta, thank you.
Everybody was awesome.
But for every one of yours, I feel... People were like, I thought that, if that wasn't you Ian, I would have thought that was fake.
tim pool
I would have thought you were paid shill, but I believe you, because it's you, because you have... Sorry, I... No, I just want to point out before the super chats, as for this woman who wrote this article, Cynthia Miller Idris, she's married.
unidentified
And she hyphenated.
That's super common for journalism, though, I think.
tim pool
They got married a very, very long time ago.
unidentified
Maybe it was an affair.
tim pool
When you Google search the writer, it pops right up.
hannah claire brimelow
I like your story better.
unidentified
I think I'm right.
tim pool
She was a professor?
ian crossland
Wait, what is it?
unidentified
She was a gym instructor.
tim pool
A Doctoral Candidate in Sociology at a University.
And she hyphenated.
ian crossland
I feel like we should read the article at some point or part of it.
hannah claire brimelow
I want to read her thesis now.
tim pool
I don't want to do it dirty.
Don't worry, you're not.
It talks about neo-Nazi blogger Andrew Anglin advising his followers that fat people should be required to commit to losing weight.
Come on, we get it.
She goes there.
And at the very end she's like, well, fitness of course is a staple hobby for everybody and blah blah blah.
Yeah, no, we get it, dude.
ian crossland
I see.
tim pool
For those of us working to find better pathways to reach at-risk youth, understanding the ways that far-right groups recruit and socialize youth in ways that go well beyond rhetoric and ideas is crucial.
Just, it's just, it's so crazy if you're like, look, young friend, your life will be better if you are in shape and you're eating healthy.
And they're like, he's trying to indoctrinate the kid.
I'll be like, I hope so.
I hope I can indoctrinate all of the children into eating right and being fit and healthy and living good moral lives.
hannah claire brimelow
You Michelle Obama crazy person.
tim pool
Oh, I know, right?
Let's move.
hannah claire brimelow
The original extremist, Michelle Obama, trying to get the kids to eat healthy.
No, I think this is the thing, though.
At some point, it's going to be like, They never want you to be separated from your device.
It's actually hard to be constantly scrolling Twitter if you're working out, right?
Like, you have to step away for the moment.
And what if, on some level, this is saying, you know, when you're unhooked, I don't mean to be too much of a conspiratorial, you are not listening to us.
And so when that ends, like with children, they could either be after school to what?
Turn on the TV and sit down?
Or they could go play on their local soccer team and kids who are active are healthier and happier and the kids that are raised on tv are more dependent on the media.
Well the media needs to be dependent because that's how they make all their revenue.
I mean ultimately they are just saying when you are not plugged in you are not getting the information we think we need and that's that's a complete editorial take on my part but I think it's worth noting that like they could easily be saying like people who spend time in the sun become extremists because of no specific reason it's just some random observation we think we have.
tim pool
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I'm not your buddy guy says, and I gotta point out, I'm not your buddy guy always has the first super chat.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Very punctual.
Thank you, sir.
I just gotta say what kind of sick depraved mind would attack something that spotlights the sexual abuse and trafficking of children.
To those who did, please ask yourself, are we the baddies?
They are!
They know it!
hannah claire brimelow
They're comfortable with that.
tim pool
They lied about an island where a wealthy guy was trafficking miners and abusing them, and powerful elites were abusing them.
Can we just point out, like, real quick that Prince Andrew and the photographs that emerged, like, come on.
Ghislaine Maxwell's in prison for these things?
And no client list?
Yeah.
Right.
And then the media comes out, and it's real simple.
People with power and money who are evil, disgusting child abusers pay good money to make sure it never sees the light of day.
ian crossland
God, that is so gross if that was real.
I think it might be.
It's so gross.
tim pool
What do you mean, if?
ian crossland
My whole life, that, like, just, like, that dark possibility.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, what do you mean?
FC got arrested!
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
He had the island!
We know!
ian crossland
It is a fact!
Do you think that that's like an organized criminal racket that's manipulating the media?
Like, how?
Dude, it's disgusting.
tim pool
It's just crazy how, like, Alex Jones has been talking about it for a while, and they're like, ah, it's crazy conspiracy stuff, and then we get that expose, we get the leak from ABC about Virginia Giuffre with Amy Robach stuff, which ultimately Epstein gets arrested, Ghislaine Maxwell gets convicted, photos of Prince Andrew emerge, Dude, for me, it's like everybody now is like, yeah, that happened.
ian crossland
For me, it's the drinking blood.
They say that they drink blood of kids.
If that turns out that that is freaking real, I'm going to, I mean, I'm not going to lose it because I already lost it, but.
I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop on that one.
tim pool
I'm gonna tell you this.
The reason why I think they say stuff like they're drinking blood is so that regular people don't
believe it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's too far.
Right.
tim pool
So if you said something like there are powerful pedophiles trafficking children,
it's probably like, well, I mean, yeah, we know about what goes on in some of these other
countries.
So what happens is this is what we saw with a very prominent conspiracy theory pertaining
to children and a pizza restaurant.
on.
All of a sudden these crazy conspiracies emerge about a basement and about other stuff that's clearly false.
So what happens is, you start seeing these emails come out.
And they say stuff like, would it be more fun playing dominoes on pizza or pasta?
And then, what could that be about?
Obvious.
Drugs.
There's code names for drugs all the time.
These were high-profile political individuals emailing each other, and they were probably saying, like, hey, if we're gonna go party, should it be crack or should it be heroin or something?
ian crossland
Like, whatever the code was.
tim pool
In order to get people off the trail, A wild, insane conspiracy comes out that says there's a sub-basement where children are being trafficked and these things mean kids.
Now all of a sudden, the decentralized network of individuals on the internet who are tracking down what this could be go in the wrong direction.
So when they come out and they're like, did you know that they're kidnapping kids and drinking their blood?
You tell that to the average person and go, shut up!
unidentified
Shut up.
tim pool
You say adrenochrome, they're gonna go, shut up.
If you told people that for a fact we have known for a long time that there are creepy sex hotels and child trafficking going on, well, duh.
And we're trying to stop it.
And then if you said there are high-profile wealthy individuals who are involved in it, they'll say, like who?
You gotta prove that, man.
That's a bold claim.
But that's something someone's really, they're willing to listen to.
If you come out and say, like, Epstein's got this flight log, they call it Elite Express, powerful individuals are flying to this island, there are underage girls there, people are like, wow, that's a bold claim to make about a lot of these people.
Do you have proof?
Then you add in, and they're drinking their blood because they're doing rituals to say, okay, dude, you've lost me, go have a nice day.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think transfusions are probably way more, I mean, I know that people get, healthy people hooked up to IVs and will get transfusions, like, In Silicon Valley, like adults with adults.
tim pool
Yeah, I forgot what it's called.
We talked about it before.
Blood replacement therapy.
ian crossland
Stuff like that.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, there was that guy who spent all the money to be young, and then his dad is using his blood to stay young.
tim pool
Is that what he's doing?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and then he's using his son's blood, and I don't... I am not a medical scientist.
I don't know.
tim pool
I'm not saying they're not doing it.
I'm just saying, I always tell people of the wildest conspiracy theories, hey, just start from step one, right?
Like, don't take- Microdose.
Yeah, like, don't- Ease into it.
If you think it's true, you're not helping yourself by asserting something you've not yet proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
So why don't we start and say, hey, we have probable cause for an investigation because Epstein has been accused of this thing and convicted, and he's still operating this plane.
Fair place to start.
Hey, ultimately he gets arrested.
Now, as for everything else, you know, we'll keep the investigation, we'll keep the pressure on, but good luck there because powerful people are protecting those sickos.
Anyway, let's read some more.
I'm Not Your Buddy Guy continues, says, I also think it's fair to say the Biden administration has crossed the Rubicon.
I'd argue it happened in 2020, and there is no going back as they forge ahead.
ian crossland
I had a feeling like that on July 4th when I saw Hunter all tweaking out, allegedly, behind them on stage.
I was like, did we just witness the dark?
The dark evolution of Joe Biden and his family like that.
It was just so corrupt.
So viscerally corrupt that he had Hunter flaunting it in front of all of our faces and then they arrest this whistleblower like within a week on top of the state dinner where they had him running around saying hi rubbing shoulders with everyone.
natalie winters
I think was like the day after he allegedly got incited or arrested for the tax fraud.
It's so it's so In your face.
But that's the point.
hannah claire brimelow
I stand by it.
They don't feel like the consequences matter to them.
They feel like they're untouchable.
And they are proving it every single day.
natalie winters
Imagine, by the way, imagine if they get away with this, like what they're going to do after his presidency ends, like who they're going to grift and sell out to.
That's that's why we have to win this battle.
That's why it's so important.
hannah claire brimelow
I still think, though, you know, with the clear demise of Joe Biden, there is a certain level of like who is going to harness power, because now Hunter Biden is He's almost too high profile and too obvious a target.
I don't know who in their circle is going to inherit the power is all I think.
natalie winters
They'll get all that Ukraine money back somehow.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, righty influencers lying about broken brain sniffing and everyone knowing that they're lying discredits us non-cult.
It helps not the mission when they blatantly lie.
They need to be called out.
I think, I think, Raymond, you're referring to the DeSantis thing.
We didn't get into too much detail, but DeSantis has a quote where he says, It was under Donald Trump that these intelligence agencies, the FBI, etc., were colluding with big tech to censor Americans, and Trump should have fired them.
The Hill reported DeSantis claims the Trump administration colluded with big tech, which then gets translated by Trump supporters into, quote, Trump colluded against himself or something like that.
A gross mischaracterization.
You can argue that Trump did not know it was happening.
And so, oh, well, DeSantis shouldn't have said that because, of course, they should have been fine.
But how was Trump supposed to know?
My argument is actually Trump should have known.
We had a White House summit about this.
We all came, a bunch of people went to the White House to meet with Trump and a bunch of other influential individuals in government to tell them censorship was a very serious problem and it was going to prevent him from winning again.
And look, You can argue it was to benefit his political campaign, sure, but the point was we want everyone the ability to speak.
The fact that anyone would be censored, and I pointed this out there too, I said, hey look, there are anti-war leftists that are getting censored as well, there are accounts like Occupy Wall Street accounts that have been censored.
We should make sure all of it's done away with and not just be hyper-partisan, and people there agreed.
So Donald Trump should have known to investigate this to get the DOJ or someone looking into it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
So I agree with Ron DeSantis mostly on this point and I think there's a lot of Trump supporters coming out and they're mischaracterizing what he said.
There's no point.
Like you're not doing yourself any favors.
Anyway, let's read some more.
What do we got?
Drek Neviskay says, please watch Sounds of Freedom.
Sound of Freedom.
May God bless you, love you Tim, and the hot lady there, Hannah's hot too.
Well, okay, there you go.
Um, the theater by us had it listed as Sounds of Freedom.
unidentified
Oh.
Plural.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that's intentional?
Or do you think they really just don't know?
tim pool
Maybe they just don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm so paranoid that I'm like, are they doing it on purpose so people can't find it?
tim pool
I want to point out, Sound of Freedom was in about, I think, 55 to 60% of the theaters that Indiana Jones was in.
And so, well, this is normal.
Not every movie plays in every single theater.
A big release like Indiana Jones, it's going to be in every theater.
Uh, every major theater.
Sound of Freedom was only able to get in, I think, 2,600 theaters.
There were people messaging us saying, I really want to go see it, but it's not playing near me.
Yup.
Imagine how much more money it would have made if it was in more theaters.
I think this movie is going to shatter 100 million.
I think it's likely that this week is when the word-of-mouth wave hits.
And now people are going to be, you're going to see it in the news.
40 million, Rotten Tomatoes score, 90s, you know, or whatever.
The reviews are really good.
Even the actual reviewers who are corporate press, they're actually saying nice things about it.
Variety wrote some nice things about it.
The people screaming about it are like leftist cult member websites and political sites.
But the actual movie reviewers are like, it's okay to good.
I was rating a review from Roger Ebert.
They gave it two stars.
And I'm like, what is it?
Two out of four or something like that?
Is four their limit?
I don't know.
And I'm like, it was a sad, oh it's boring, whatever, it's a thriller, I guess.
And it's like, hey man, if average is the best you can muster up, that's a good thing.
Because a bunch of other movies they just claim get zero stars.
Zero, no good, don't watch it.
No, this one's getting good reviews across the board.
I think now what's going to happen is, this week, the word of mouth is going to ripple out exponentially.
I think by the end of the week, Sound of Freedom's at 100 million.
Definitely go see it.
Yeah, and I don't want to be wrong, so you gotta go see it.
Because, man, I will be so embarrassed if next week it's not at 100 million.
So if you want to really help me out in being right, you'll go see it.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the only reason to go.
tim pool
That's the only reason.
hannah claire brimelow
Just support Tim and go see this other movie.
tim pool
Just support my ego.
No, I mean, yo, you will enjoy it, man.
It's like a movie that matters.
It's really cool to see how well it's doing considering that too.
That's like something that matters is succeeding.
hannah claire brimelow
It's probably good to see so when you're around other people and you're like, oh I saw this great movie, you guys can talk about it.
You know?
It's probably a good way to find people who are interested in similar things than you.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
If you go to the movie theater to see this movie, you know that everyone in the theater is probably in agreement with you on a lot of issues.
natalie winters
Now going to the movie makes you a far-right extremist.
hannah claire brimelow
Then you guys can go to the gym, and then after that you can yell at your wives.
tim pool
Next up on MSNBC, why opposing child trafficking makes you far-right?
natalie winters
Literally, though, they didn't publish that yet.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
Jason Dixon says, hey Tim, I am obligated to tell the world Raymond Stanley Jr.
is the greatest person ever.
Please come to Discord and tell him at Atmore sent you.
ian crossland
Atmore.
tim pool
Well alright.
hannah claire brimelow
I got on Discord after many weeks of procrastinating, but I have to say I really don't understand the interface.
I don't know if it's just me being a boomer, but there's something about it.
I don't know where I go to talk.
unidentified
There's a learning curve.
It throws a lot at you, but that's why it's so great, because there's so much you can do.
hannah claire brimelow
I'll get notifications that I don't know where the messages are.
tim pool
Mark Hanson says, never cried before, bearing a family death, until watching Sound of Freedom.
I went alone last night.
Taking my entire family, including grandparents, Wednesday, keep up the great work.
I really want to just describe the opening scene, but I'm not going to do it.
hannah claire brimelow
Wait like two weeks, give people a chance to see it.
tim pool
Because it's so, it's so well, I don't know man.
I don't want to say it's good, because it's horrifying.
hannah claire brimelow
It's well done.
tim pool
It's so well done, you feel it.
Riveting.
Oh man, the dread, the anger, the sadness.
The opening sequence.
Like, the opening scene.
Oh man.
Dude, I really wanna just- I'm not gonna say anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm just- I really want to.
You gotta see it.
You gotta see it.
hannah claire brimelow
You guys all have to go so Tim can finally talk about it.
unidentified
I know.
hannah claire brimelow
He really wants to.
tim pool
Oh, I just wanna talk about it so bad.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Dude, that- We'll talk about it after the show in private.
I don't want to spoil it for anybody.
You're going to see it in the first 15 minutes.
You're going to be gripping the side of your theater chair.
The women are all crying.
The men are getting angry.
Some of the men are tearing up with rage.
ian crossland
Dude.
tim pool
It makes you wish you were Superman.
It makes you wish you could just fly and walk through these evil people, grabbing them and throwing them in the squad
cars, in the vehicles, in the prisons, and not have to...
It's the saddest and terrifying thing of reality, knowing that even in the most dire of circumstances, at best, with
you and this evil before you, you're on equal conflict footing.
Like, if you're a cop and you're armed and you're facing down these gangs, these traffickers, they're armed too.
And we just wish that you could walk through them like Superman and just end this evil that they're engaged in.
And I'm gonna tell you one thing, it's not a spoiler.
But it's like one of the truly most shocking things of the film that really hits you is when you see it when you see people like Hand a kid, throw a kid into a bin, and then someone hands him a wad of cash.
Like, they literally just treat these people like... Wow.
ian crossland
This is crazy.
Jorge Ventura got me this.
It's a little wristband from a kid that was dragged across the border.
It says, entrejas, which means delivered.
tim pool
Yup.
ian crossland
Delivered.
There's like cattle.
This is $4,186.
$4,186.
tim pool
And then that guy crosses the border and someone hands him a stack of cash.
And he's like, thanks.
And then he walks away, not caring at all as to what he just did.
You gotta see that movie.
unidentified
Alright, we'll grab some more.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Dylan Binkley says, I see threads crashing and burning much like Mixer did when Microsoft tried to compete with Twitch.
Yeah, I agree.
Look, the difference is that Instagram is a platform people use, and a lot of people on Instagram don't use Twitter.
So, Mark Zuckerberg made a good call with this in that there are a lot of people who will just, you click a button and, doop, you've got a Threads account.
That's why a hundred million people have signed up.
But I gotta be honest.
What doesn't work for me is, like, I like watching this one guy does backflips.
Parkour guy.
And now I see him posting about going to Taco Bell.
Like, bro, I literally don't care you went to Taco Bell.
I just want to see you do a backflip.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
I honestly spend as little time on meta products as possible.
The tracking, the amount of tracking that it does to sell your data and to do experiments on you, um, no thank you.
I have them both.
I've had Facebook for 15 years, but more than that.
unidentified
It always makes me think about that hearing from maybe like 2018 where one of the Facebook execs was like, yeah, we made like a very, very small algorithm change in like millions upon millions of people.
All of their online rhetoric got instantly angrier.
It's like they just admitted to having such control and power and nothing came of it, you know?
So yeah, meta does kind of rub me the wrong way.
You know, I'm very wary.
ian crossland
Maybe if I talk to Mark Zuckerberg, I'd feel a little better.
But it's that, it's the software itself, that proprietary crap, and the tracking mechanisms.
tim pool
Blue de Goyer says, Tim, we have a road trip drama feature slated for next spring, studio director.
Tried sending script to Ian, but he hasn't responded.
Happy to product place your coffee in one of the scenes, no charge.
Where do I send the script?
ian crossland
Uh, don't... Don't send me script.
unidentified
Who sent me a script for this is a movie they want to sell?
tim pool
I don't think we can accept scripts.
ian crossland
I'm not sure.
We don't take submissions because there's legal implications.
tim pool
Yeah, you're not legally allowed to.
Like, you are, but basically what happens is, the reason why no one will accept any solicited materials is because then you get into IP disputes.
ian crossland
Yes, if I end up writing something that is akin to what you wrote, but I actually never saw what you wrote, then you might have a grounds to be like, hey, I sent that to you, that's evidence that you ripped me off.
tim pool
Yeah, and then we're like, nope, because we don't accept those.
ian crossland
I don't want to turn it all off though, so I don't know.
tim pool
But I'll tell you what, feel free to place Cast Brew Coffee products in any film, at any point, and have people drink them.
That'd be great.
hannah claire brimelow
As long as they like them, and then they tell other people to get Cast Brew Coffee.
tim pool
As long as at least one person does.
Like, if you write a whole scene where two guys are arguing over whether it's good or not, I'm totally okay with that.
Like, this coffee's terrible.
Are you kidding?
It's some of the best I've ever had.
unidentified
What?
Why?
tim pool
What are you talking about?
hannah claire brimelow
You're like social media, where the negative feedback is also good, because people will then be like, well, what is that coffee?
tim pool
I'm just saying it gets me more screen time.
ian crossland
Have it where the guy's, like, breaking in, and the guy splashes hot cast brew in his face, and he's like, ahhh!
And he, like, saves the day.
tim pool
We're working on that Seamus... the Seamus coffee.
Yeah, we got some good ideas.
It's gonna be fun.
I forgot what... I think we came up with a name.
ian crossland
Irish... Irish Blend or something?
tim pool
No, he's... We came up with a name for it.
I gotta talk to him.
We gotta figure it out.
It was funny, I tweeted today that there's an Irishman who lives under my house and he keeps stealing my spoons, but no one will believe me.
unidentified
Did all of your spoons reappear suddenly?
tim pool
But it's funny, it's actually Seamus' joke.
So basically, Seamus had to return our spoons because he was eating with them and then, you know, putting them in his sink and not returning them to us.
And so then we were like, yo, Seamus, you gotta bring the spoons back.
And he's like, oh, sorry about that.
And then it's like, it wasn't really anything that mattered until he was like, there's an Irishman living under my house stealing all of my spoons.
And it was like one of the funniest things he said.
So I was like, that's actually a good point.
You phrase it that way, no one will believe you.
But if it's actually like, there's a guy who lives in my apartment and he borrowed silverware from me and then we asked him for it back.
It's actually just like, oh, well, that's like not news.
That's not interesting at all.
But so I had to tweet it because it was funny.
He lives under my house.
He keeps stealing my spoons.
No one will believe me.
The Moffinator says, yeah, because Jack White has the same star power as Guy Fieri, Mark Wahlberg, Mel Gibson, and Joe Rogan.
What a joke.
Yup.
What a joke.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I want to see this guy host Diners, Drivers, and Dives and see what he does.
He could never.
unidentified
That show makes me so hungry.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm telling you, it was a classic.
tim pool
You shake people's hands!
It's the weirdest thing!
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
Donald Trump, the former President of the United States, is at a UFC game, and you're like, nice to meet ya, have a nice day.
And Jack White's like... You know what I think is really the deal?
Jack White never got to meet Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
Jealousy.
Interesting.
tim pool
It's envy.
It's clearly envy.
He's sitting there probably in his, you know, like, where's he been?
Is he relevant?
What's going on with him?
He's making music?
He's probably sitting there being like, why aren't I there with everybody, you know, everyone loving me and being famous?
Why am I sitting here on Instagram complaining about the world?
hannah claire brimelow
It's FOMO.
unidentified
He's sad that he wasn't invited.
tim pool
Because you have Guy Fieri.
He's probably thinking, like, I'm 10 times more famous than that guy.
And I don't get to meet Trump?
Well, no, but Trump's, I don't even want to meet him.
He's racist.
You know, we shouldn't call it sour grapes.
We should call it something else.
We'd be like, we should call it Trump is racist.
hannah claire brimelow
Just bitter.
tim pool
Yeah.
You guys know the sour grapes parable or whatever, right?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Fox walks up to a tree and he sees a grape vine hanging from the branch.
He's like, ooh, grapes, I'm going to get them.
Jumps in the air, misses, jumps in the air, misses.
And he starts getting frustrated.
He jumps again and he can't get him.
He goes, ah, those grapes are sour anyway.
The point being you insult the thing you couldn't get.
That's literally what he's doing.
It's sour grapes.
Jack White doesn't get to be there at the main event for this big fight where all these celebrities are sitting with Trump and everyone's making a big deal about it.
Kid Rock and, you know, Mike Tyson, Joe Rogan, like whatever.
And he's sitting at home grumbling about how his time has come and gone.
And so he's like, yeah, well, Trump's a racist anyway.
ian crossland
I feel like that about Burt Kreischer, because I'm always like, when I see him on with Tom Segura on Two Bears 1K, everyone who's doing rock, I'm always like, man, he's not even that great anyway.
Which is because I want to be Burt's best friend.
tim pool
I love you, Burt.
unidentified
I love you.
tim pool
It's good that you could admit it.
unidentified
He's a good guy.
I like Bruce.
ian crossland
He's awesome.
tim pool
I love Radiohead.
Hey Tim, has anyone ever told you that your singing voice sounds similar to the lead singer of Radiohead?
It does to me anyway. Hope you take this as a compliment. I love Radiohead. They're fantastic
No one has ever told me that although I will say back in the day when I used to play rock band
I could perfect Radio- create my Radiohead
Yeah, perfect it Now, to be fair, singing on rock band isn't like real singing.
You're just matching the tones.
So you're like watching a little line going and going like, ooh, until it lines up.
But if you actually sing it, you can like catch it.
But yeah, that's like the only song I was ever able to actually master at like the full five stars or whatever.
ian crossland
A good use of artificial intelligence would be to match the tone of your voice and be like, how much were you feeling it?
And then it can score you on that.
tim pool
Jason McCart says, does Tim know he makes an appearance in John McNaughton's Speak the Truth painting?
What an honor.
I saw that, I looked it up, and sure enough, I do have an appearance in that painting.
Where is it?
Is it here?
It looks super cool.
Wait, there it is.
Yeah, I don't know if you guys want to look up Speak the Truth, McNaughton Fine Art.
It's a fantastic painting.
There's like Charlie Kirk, there's me, I think that's Jack Posobiec, there's Candace Owens, James O'Keefe.
It looks like Sean Hannity's there.
Tucker Carlson's walking up and they're handing papers to the Founding Fathers.
What a great picture.
America's great.
X5 Podcast, really appreciate the very large super chat saying, huge fan, guys.
Keep it up.
We will.
And thank you so much for your support.
Randall Morgan says testosterone changed my life.
I tested low and have been taking it for nine months.
I feel like I was sick before.
Now I feel good.
Energy, motivation, metabolism, and strength all changed.
That's right.
It's good stuff.
You can get it from exercise too.
You get a lot from lifting.
So the big plan with Ian.
Is that, uh, no cardio.
It's not gonna be, like, cardio stuff, it's gonna be, like, strength stuff.
But we'll see, I don't know.
We got a trainer, and, uh, you gotta eat a lot of steak.
ian crossland
It's kinda like, I don't know a lot about it yet, but when you do strength training, you're doing burst muscle moves, and then you don't wanna do cardio, cause the cardio actually lets the blood flow out, is that right?
So you wanna, like, just pinch it off and kinda hope that the swell takes over?
tim pool
I don't know!
ian crossland
The trainer will know.
tim pool
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natalie winters
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tim pool
Right on.
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Follow me at Ian Crossland on the internet.
If anyone has a dog or they're thinking about getting a dog and you like this story about wolves and proto-dogs, call your dog Proto.
I don't want a dog right now, but if I did, I would call it Proto.
Because like Frodo, you know?
I'm like, Proto the dog.
That'd be cool.
Hey, see you later!
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And again, I was filling in for Search tonight.
My name is Kellen.
Follow me at kellenpdl.
Pretty much everywhere.
Thanks, guys.
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We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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