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July 11, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - WW3 Looms, BRICS Preps Gold Backed Currency, Ukraine May Join NATO w/Haley Kennington

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unidentified		World War III.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh man, I love to say it.
		Yeah, I don't know if it'll actually happen.
		It may already be happening.
		It may be that in 50 years they look back and say that the Ukrainian invasion was the start, or I should say the Russian invasion of Ukraine was the start of World War 3.
		But we got some crazy news that's been circulating for a couple days.
unidentified		BRICS.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and many other nations.
		41 countries are seeking to join BRICS.
		BRICS announced, and they've confirmed, a gold-backed currency.
		To be used internationally.
		It's going to compete with the U.S.
		And I think it's likely the petrodollar goes away.
		I don't know for sure.
		I can't see the future.
		But if that happens, my friends, those of you listening in America, your standard of living will drop precipitously.
		Yeah, you'll notice it.
		It's going to get really bad.
		Why?
		Because the U.S.
		for too long has tried relying on military might to maintain its economy.
		And this is what I think Donald Trump was worried about.
		And this is what's going to come and bite us in the ass.
		So we'll talk about that.
		Plus, we got a bunch of other cultural news.
		We'll talk about a bunch of different stories.
		I'll save them for later, actually, so we can get through the intro without getting in trouble on this channel, but I just... We'll leave it there, and then we'll talk about what's going on with Ukraine, potentially joining NATO.
		They had a meeting, they said, okay, maybe we'll let you join if that happens.
		That is a direct declaration of war with Russia.
		So, you know... Yeah.
		It seems like World War 3 may be a real possibility.
		As for the other stories, they're a bit cultural and they're related to gender issues, so we'll just save them for later on in the episode so we don't get in trouble.
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Haley Cunnington.
unidentified		Thank you for having me, Tim.
unidentified		I appreciate it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You want to introduce yourself?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm Haley Kennington, and I'm a journalist.
unidentified		I was research director and story editor for The Plot Against the President and Daily Wire's What Is a Woman, and I'm the news editor for Wrong Speak Publishing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on, well thanks for hanging out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We also have the Irishman Who Lives Under My House and Steals My Spoons.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You sound insane.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Do you hear yourself when you say things like that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Confess, Seamus.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		An Irishman lives under your house and steals your spoons?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Confess, Seamus.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		This is the man you're coming to for news?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're gonna go to church.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Tim's out of his mind.
		He's insane.
		Confess to what?
		Your delusions?
		Tim, I'm worried about you.
		I'm worried about you.
		My name is Seamus Coghlan.
		I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
		We just released a cartoon today on lefties and the way they project.
		I think you guys are really going to enjoy it.
		We have a membership portal at freedomtunes.com where we release cartoons that are a bit too spicy for YouTube.
		There's one every week there, so if you become a member, you'll be able to check those out.
		Thank you very much.
		Head over to freedomtunes.com and become a member.
		Subscribe to us on YouTube as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And if you get some kind of care package when you become a member, let me know if it contains any spoons.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Tim, if you think that I'm planning to steal your spoons and send them to people as incentive to support my animation business, I don't even know how to respond to you.
		That is such a ridiculous accusation.
		That is such a ridiculous accusation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People are legit going to think that they're going to get a spoon from you now.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if people subscribe expecting a spoon, I'm just saying that's not my problem or my fault.
unidentified		I think you should add one anyway.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, this man literally just said on air people are going to get spoons if they subscribe to me.
unidentified		I never said that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'm not giving you guys spoons.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to figure out what he's doing with them.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		Because I didn't take them.
		And you sound insane.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I'm Phil LaBonte.
		Lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist, and counter-revolutionary.
		I have no information about the spoons here at the castle, so that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
		Hey, what's going on, Serge?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I'm Serge.com, and I'm ready to start when you guys are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
		We got this story from MSN.com.
		Bricks, gold-backed common currency, a shock to global fiat money system, says economist.
		As Russia confirms launch in August, oh boy, is this one esoteric.
		I'm sure many of you at home are like, yo, I don't even know why I clicked the link to this video because I have no idea what you're talking about.
		I'm sure many of you who are in the know saw the headline and went, holy crap.
		And I'm sure most of you who are really in the know said, Tim, we already knew this.
		But bear with me.
		This is big news.
		BRICS is the principal rival to basically NATO and the Western powers.
		The world operates on the U.S.
		dollar as its reserve currency.
		You want to buy oil, you use U.S.
		dollars.
		With BRICS launching this currency, backed by gold, they're basically giving a massive middle finger to the U.S.
		and telling all the countries in the world, our money actually means something theirs does not.
		Further, we've already seen countries like Saudi Arabia trying to do deals with China, or actually doing them, to trade oil in Yuan.
		This means we are inching ever closer to the U.S.
		no longer having the reserve currency.
		And you know what that means?
		That means all of you at home, you're going to see your standard of living drop dramatically.
		And therein lies the double-edged sword when it comes to international politics.
		The United States does not export enough.
		We export culture, movies, music, sure.
		But other countries can do that.
		Other countries can export a lot of stuff.
		So what do we really provide?
		To be honest, military might.
		When we want oil, we print the dollars, we buy the oil.
		When any other country wants oil, they need to buy dollars from us first.
		With this deal from BRICS that basically shuts down our International Ponzi scheme or whatever you want to call it.
		And then all of a sudden we have nothing to trade.
		What will the U.S.
		trade for BRICS currency?
		That's the big question.
		What are we manufacturing?
		What are we exporting that BRICS would want so that they would give us gold-backed currency that we could use to buy oil with?
		Yeah.
		So, here's my fear, and a lot of other people's fears.
		The reason why the deep state, the bureaucratic state, the neolibs, the neocons want war is to make sure we don't lose this status.
		So, the likelihood that we enter into a dramatically escalated conflict is ever so increasing to the point where, let me tell you how desperate the machine has become.
		Earlier, last year or so, I think it was last year, when Russia started using, was accused of using cluster bombs, the US, the Western forces claimed that was potentially a war crime.
		Now the West has become so desperate that Joe Biden has approved the sending of cluster bombs to Ukrainian forces, something that they had previously said could be a war crime.
		This is what I'm talking about.
		The people saying, oh you can't do that because that's evil and wrong and then a year later being like, if we lose this we're done for so just do it anyway.
		How far off are we from someone saying, yeah well nukes are no longer off the table.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
		It's a very frightening situation.
		All I really have to say about it is this, to quote the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen, if a nation would behave more justly if it were conquered, it should expect to be conquered.
		And the United States has not been a nation which operated in a moral way domestically.
		We're on the international stage in a very long time.
		I've seen some of that turning around.
		I think the overturn of Roe v. Wade and the fact that we've saved tens of thousands of children has been incredible.
		I think there's been massive backlash against the LGBTQ agenda.
		More young people are waking up and seeing the farce of the sexual revolution.
		But ultimately, this country has a lot of problems, and I hope that we can pull through them.
		I hope that the United States can be a strong, dominant nation that behaves morally, but that's not the track we've placed ourselves on over the past 50 or 60 years.
		So I hope for good things, but I don't know that I necessarily expect them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, considering the fact that the BRICS currency is already in motion, it's not something that's being talked about anymore, it feels like the writing's on the wall that the petrodollar, the time is limited.
		And I mean, people need to plan accordingly.
		If we're in as much debt as we are to China and to other countries and stuff and our national
		debt's like it is and we lose the status as the reserve currency of the world, interest
		rates are going to keep going up and the buying power of your dollar is going to keep going
		down and it's going to have a massive effect on the average person.
		Unfortunately these things are...
		It's slow moving.
		So a lot of people have kind of, you know, shut the idea of a currency crisis out because it has been something that you've heard people talking about it since like 2008, you know, like since the financial crisis, people have been talking about, oh, if you keep printing money, then there'll be inflation, etc.
		And we're in debt.
		And I feel like the average person is kind of Kind of just gone numb to that.
		And if people are numb to it and they haven't been preparing for it or they don't, it's going to come back and bite them in the ass.
		And as usual, the poor people in the U.S.
		and people on the margins, you know, people that are just making it are going to fall into poverty and people that are already poor, you know, they're going to be screwed.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And to be clear, the point I want to make here is that I hope that doesn't happen, right?
		Again, I hope the United States is able to maintain our status as world reserve currency And we turn a corner and start behaving more morally with respect to our conduct both on the foreign stage and domestically.
		And there's actually some precedent to think that that might happen just based on the last year or two and the way some things have improved in some areas.
		But yeah, I mean, if we lose world reserve currency status, if this country continues to spend and print money in unsustainable ways and also get involved in conflicts we have no business being involved in, I think it's probably fair to say that we're not going to be able to sustain that, and just like any nation that starts fooling around because they become powerful and hubristic, we're going to end up seeing our own collapse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what if?
		The Democratic nominee for president in the debate says, here's what we're going to do.
		We're going to invade Ukraine.
		We're going to, in order to fight the Russians, I shouldn't say invade Ukraine, but we're going to send boots on the ground in Ukraine.
		Boots on the ground in Syria.
		We're going to build a corridor through Syria, Turkey, into Europe to offset the Russian gas monopoly.
		And we are going to do these things specifically to destroy the economies of the BRICS nations to prevent them from subverting the world reserve currency.
		What if they just flat out came out and said, this is what we're doing and why we're doing it.
		Because our economy is propped up by the fact that we print money and we don't export, and the only thing we can do is point guns at the rest of the world and tell them that they must serve us.
		And all of your computers and all of your components, the materials in there are mined by children who are working as slaves.
		You can have that, or you can live in squalor.
		Make your pick.
		What do you do?
		Oh, the average person would decide to... They'd vote for... I think they'd vote for the machine in two seconds and make an excuse.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think, well, the machine makes excuses for itself, right?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So I think the way it's going to be advertised to the American people is, there's some human rights atrocity or violation that's occurring in these countries, so now we have to go step in and intervene.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're doing now.
		But I think the issue is, When they were like, cluster bombs are a potential war crime.
		And then Joe Biden's like, well, might as well send cluster bombs.
		It's like, okay.
		That's not going to work.
		You're not going to be able to go and say, look, a war crime is happening.
		And then we're going to go ahead and do the same thing.
		That propaganda, it's not going to work.
		Regular people might just lie to themselves to justify why we should be in war, but.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		The whole thing is scary to me.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		I mean, there's not a good option either way, as far as what you just said.
unidentified		I don't, I mean, I don't know, it's all doom and gloom, you know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in reference to what you said about, Tim, about cluster bombs and stuff, I mean, the Vietnam War started in 1954, I think is when, and the French were kind of doing most of the combat role there and doing most of the fighting, and the U.S.
		didn't actually really get involved until 64, and then it was a whole nother 10 years.
		It's completely reasonable to say that, you know, we're a year and change in on the war in Ukraine or whatever, and all this stuff that we said we weren't going to send, all of these things that the government said they weren't going to be doing, they keep coming and coming back and saying, okay, well, you know, now we're going to, so there's no actual line That the US won't cross, or at least that we as a population can reliably say, okay, we believe the government won't do this.
		The government has demonstrated over and over that they'll say one thing, and as soon as it comes time to be what they deem a necessity, they say we need to go ahead and do this for this reason.
		It's completely Expected, or should be expected, that if the US has said, no, we're not going to do this, if the conditions on the ground demand it, or an argument can be made that the conditions on the ground demand it, they're going to do it.
		And I think that is up to and including a nuclear exchange with Russia, if it gets to that point.
		Now, I'm not saying that it will, but if you put Americans on the ground in Ukraine, I could see that happening, and I don't see the off-ramp to get us out of eventually sending people to fight in Ukraine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why I bring this up.
		This is the tit-for-tat.
		We say, oh no, cluster bombs.
		You can't do that.
		Then we do cluster bombs.
		They start producing an international gold-backed currency.
		We have this here.
		Take a look at this.
		Willem Middelkoop says 41 countries have applied for BRICS membership.
		This is massive.
		What is this, like just about a third of the world?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I mean- And not in terms of population.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But maybe with China.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		To many in government, I mean, these are fighting words.
		Saying that we are going to use a currency that is not controlled by the United States of America is something that's very frightening for those in the ruling elite to hear.
		And to be frank, those are frightening words for your average person, too, if they really consider them.
		Because if we do lose our status as world reserve currency, the quality of life is going to diminish for basically everybody in this country.
		Now, you gotta imagine the position that foreign leaders are in and foreign nations are in.
		They see how we have absolutely abused our status as world reserve currency and the fact that people need to trade in our dollar and are compelled to by the way the market functions currently.
		In 2020, when COVID-19 Crippled our economy, or at the very least, I should say, when the lockdowns and the overreaction to COVID-19 crippled our economy, what our government did is they responded by engaging in the most gigantic transfer of wealth that has ever occurred in all of human history, and they gave virtually all of the money to the wealthiest people in this nation
		And devalued the currency of everyone who had savings in order to engage in that transfer of wealth.
		Now, anyone who was paying attention at that time said, this is going to massively harm those in the lower classes, this is massively going to harm people who have saved, and this is also going to harm people who own small businesses, because the SBA was expected to handle something like 10 times its yearly budget over the course of A month or two weeks in order to get this bailout money to small businesses.
		Now the giant businesses that got, what, $4.2 trillion in low-interest loans were able to leverage that to purchase up a lot of those smaller businesses after they closed down, and it was done with your currency being devalued.
		Now, poor and working-class people don't have a whole lot of recourse for that, but you know who does have a lot of recourse for that?
		Rich people in other nations who are holding U.S.
		currency who didn't get that payout, as well as oligarchs and rulers of other countries that have stashed U.S.
		dollars because they had some faith that the United States dollar was going to carry its value over into the future, and many of them are saying, you know what?
		We're probably going to use our clout to punish the American dollar and punish people who are in control of it by pulling out and signing on to some new currency.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What gets me kind of worried is, let me jump to this story.
		Again, we'll keep it all particularly esoteric.
		We have this from Coindesk.
		BlackRock CEO Larry Fink says Bitcoin could revolutionize finance.
		A lot of people are starting to ask themselves why it is the CEO of BlackRock, this massive financial institution, is all of a sudden doing a turnaround and supporting Bitcoin.
		That one's kind of concerning.
		Or I should say disconcerting.
		When there's talk of the U.S.
		losing its status as a reserve currency, especially over the past several years, and now more so with BRICS Nations launching a gold-backed currency, the idea that this guy's gonna come out and be like, I care about people and I think, you know, they should listen, I don't know, maybe I shouldn't say anything.
		Maybe not.
		Maybe what happens is, and again, I don't know, I'm not a finance guy, so don't take my advice for it.
		If the U.S.
		loses its status as a reserve currency, war breaks out.
		The dollar's gonna fall to garbage.
		You're not gonna be eating bread, you're gonna be eating bugs and living in a pod.
		And that's what I wonder about all this.
		When they say you will owe nothing and you will be happy, Maybe what they're not saying- People think they're saying they're gonna take the world from you?
		Maybe what they're really saying is when the war happens, you ain't getting none of this stuff no matter what you do.
		The food's gonna be going to the soldiers, to the front line.
		Resources and everything will be straight into war.
		And what will you have?
		Worthless, green pieces of paper.
		To be honest, digital numbers on a computer screen.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We'll see rationing all over again.
		During the Second World War, that was a reality.
		People could only consume so many resources regardless of their level of wealth because the government was saying, we need to use this rubber or fuel or food for the war effort.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let me ask you guys, what makes more sense?
		That powerful elites in Europe and the USA want you to eat bugs because of their ideology?
		Or they were preparing you for eating bugs because ain't gonna be no food when war breaks out?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's a combination.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think that if your ideology is so corrupt and you hold human life so cheap, then it's inevitably going to be the case you'll make the sorts of reckless decisions that will result in your economy being destroyed and people ending up being plunged into warfare, which will destroy their resources and lower their quality of life.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that it needs to be either or.
		I mean, I think that there are ample reasons for ideologically possessed people that are in positions of power to say, look, you shouldn't be eating steak, you shouldn't be eating all this beef and red meat and stuff.
		You should be eating something that's simpler and something that's better for the planet because there are people that truly believe that the world is overpopulated and that we need to significantly decrease the number of people on earth because we keep devouring the resources and we can't produce enough resources and food to sustain the population that we have.
		Well, I don't believe that.
		I do believe that there are probably a considerable number of people in positions of power that
		are capable of doing something about it and actually affecting populations and policy
		that will, could or at least could significantly lower the population of the earth.
		And I think that the global warming alarmism that you see is the most likely method.
		So things like, you know, you can't have cows because they are bad for the environment and
		these bugs are better for the environment are compelling arguments to people that are
		already ideologically kind of aligned or are used to getting beat down with the world is
		ending because of climate change kind of thing.
		So I don't think that it needs to be one or the other.
		I think that there are multiple reasons why people in positions of power would want to say, look, you can't live the life that you've been living and you need to roll back your standard of living.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you guys remember that there was a document that went viral from some security contractor that claimed the U.S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		population would be reduced by like 60%?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We talked about this.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I never remembered seeing that document.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because it was erased from everywhere.
unidentified		Based on what though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So there, we don't know, some kind of defense contractor put together a report talking about future plans and it listed the populations of many countries as having been reduced by like 30 to 40 percent or something like that, or more.
		And the document was deleted.
		I don't think we ever got a real explanation for it.
		I'm not saying it means it's true or anything, I hate conspiracy theories.
		So, you know, for all we know, they were creating a hypothetical scenario in the event of war or something like that.
		But then the archives all got deleted, and now it's really hard to find any information.
		It is as if it has been erased from the internet.
		It makes you wonder about what's really being talked about behind the scenes.
		Because, look, for all we know, Occam's Razor suggests this is just a nonsense document.
		Some random guy said the population would go down or something like this.
		But as we see more and more signs of major conflict escalating, like the cluster munitions thing is a big deal, there's fears of the Zaporizhia plant being blown up.
		I believe it's the Zaporizhia one, right?
		That's where they're saying that the Russians have lined explosives all around it or something like that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know!
		You know, you get propaganda on both sides, and you gotta figure out who you want to trust.
		But isn't it convenient for all of us, as Norman Donald pointed out, that the good guys won every war?
		Keep that in mind as you consider the news that's coming out today with all of these major conflict stories.
		But also, I think it's important to think about... I talked about this during COVID, and I don't know if we were talking about the context of war, but what is the one thing that is guaranteed that COVID did?
		It got people to move out of cities.
		It decentralized our economy.
		You had everybody working from the office.
		Yet that office got destroyed for some reason.
		Let's say everybody's working in an office and the fire breaks out and people get trapped inside.
		That company's gone.
		Let's say you push everybody to remote work and get them out of cities.
		That office gets caught in a fire.
		Your company still exists.
		Digital economy.
		People are able to communicate, facilitate, and keep working.
		So it made me wonder when we saw COVID and the main result was large exodus of major economic power from large cities.
		Decentralizing the US economy sure was helping us prepare, whether intentionally or not, for a major conflict.
		If New York were to get nuked now, our economy would still function to a great degree because many of these people who run these systems have left.
		And they've spread out even.
		So it's harder to target.
		Pre-COVID, with all of the big heads of industry in San Francisco, in California, in New York, many in Chicago, a single nuclear weapon, your economy's gone.
		Post-COVID, not so much.
		They're not gonna be able to target the CEOs in all these different random places.
		Even celebrities and actors are moving all over the place.
		They're not in the same place anymore.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		The people running these blue states are secret heroes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They're trying to get everybody out of the cities.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Russia still, I mean, Russia still is the country that has the most nuclear weapons in the world.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Are their nukes as powerful as ours, though?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not 100% sure the yield-wise.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think they're more powerful.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they have the Satan 2.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Title Wave bomb or whatever it's called.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Some of them, in fact, the most powerful nuclear weapon ever built was by the Soviets.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Tsar Bomb.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tsar Bomb.
unidentified		Wow!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they only, what was it, only ever used at a quarter yield or something?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Half.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Half, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was 100 megatons was the design, and they only used 50, I think, is the number.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the bomber that dropped it fell two kilometers from the sky in the shockwave, because it then recovered.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh, that's terrifying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Imagine what they have now.
		I don't think it's nuclear weapons.
		I think they're way beyond this stuff.
		I mean, we're talking about a weapon from a hundred years ago.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		A 100-year-old bomb.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Come on, they got something else already.
unidentified		For sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, antimatter weapons?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How much you want to bet they have antimatter bombs?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, look, we know that different countries have been creating bioweapons, and we just know this because one was released.
		Now, Sir Francis Boyle, who was the author of the American Implementing Legislation for the Bioweapons Convention, has stated as a lawyer that these are, if anything, made with gain-of-function research, is classified as a bioweapon.
		So that's not even like a conspiracy theory or a hot take.
		That is the author of the legislation that governs these affairs, specifically stating these are bioweapons, like anything made through gain-of-function research.
		And we know gain-of-function research is happening.
		So who knows what's been created?
		Who knows the kinds of ugly things that have been engineered by scientists that could be unleashed onto the public at any moment?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we learned during COVID that Asians were more susceptible to the virus because they have more ACE2 receptors.
		Think about something like that.
		We know that this particular group of people has more of one type of receptor in their lungs, therefore they may be more susceptible to a virus.
		Now think about how they're going to make bioweapons.
		They're going to be like, hey, this particular group of people is susceptible to this particular thing, and then one day everyone in that country is very sick.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's bioweapons.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there will be collateral damage.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, no, we also know, like, based on the part of the world you're in and a lot of genetic factors, you can be more or less susceptible to diseases.
		This is the entire point that gets brought up anytime anyone wants to discuss, like, colonization and the conquistadors, the fact that the Spanish were totally immune to the diseases they were bringing over, so they didn't even know they had them.
		Someone could theoretically engineer viruses and disease that would be more likely to wreak havoc on populations of different people genetically.
		That's terrifying.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I always get real, like, and I don't know how realistic this is because I have no idea about how bugs are engineered or anything, but the idea of Ebola with like a three-week incubation period or two-week incubation period.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		An airborne Ebola.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just spreads around and it takes weeks before you just start puking and bleeding out your eyes and you're contagious the entire time.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The idea of that just terrifies the absolute crap out of me because that would run wild through the whole country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you would have basically everyone in this country demanding lockdowns.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We did talk about this too.
		I think Ian asked the question when we were like, oh, we're all against lockdowns.
		He was like, what if it was an airborne Ebola?
		And it's like, that's a tough question, because now you're looking at people puking up their organs and stuff in the middle of the street.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the question, the issue is still, you have a right to choose if you want to take that risk.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, but there's another point here.
		I think a lot of the argument against, like...
		Vaccinations, or forced vaccinations, or lockdowns, or whatever it is, they aren't necessarily axiomatic arguments, they're questions of whether factors are such that it justifies it.
		So if you did have an Ebola, if there was an Ebola that had like a 99% transmission rate and 99% mortality rate, 100% you lock things down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Except you have no trust of the government, that's true.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly, exactly.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But I'm saying if that really is the case, and you really have those numbers, of course people are going to say, yeah, do it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But that's the thing, it's not even going to be a question, because if you've got people Like, in mass, just like puking and dying in the streets and stuff like that.
		People are going to voluntarily be like, get the F out of here.
		Get away from my house.
		I'm not going out.
		It would be a lockdown that was completely voluntary.
		The police and, I mean, the only people that would be going to work would be like doctors that actually could do something.
		And if even, because a lot of times when you get to something, if you get to something that dramatic, there'd be a lot of people that are just like, I'm staying home with my family.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I definitely agree with you.
		It would mostly be voluntary.
		My point is simply that when you get to a certain point of transmission and mortality with a disease, lockdowns are going to be more or less justifiable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What will destroy the world?
		Incubation period of two weeks, airborne, high mortality, and a disease that takes four to six weeks to kill you.
		So, escalating degrees of severity.
		Let's talk about the absolute worst case scenario, because if we're talking about actual engineered bioweapons, these things are going to be horrifying.
		We're talking about a virus that is airborne, transmissible when a person is asymptomatic, couple weeks incubation period, high mortality rate.
		It would be impossible to stop, unless everyone locked their doors and no one did anything ever again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What are the chances of a government actually trying to build that virus?
unidentified		I think 100%.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I mean, we may have it now.
unidentified		I mean, they're not, you know, gonna tell us what's going on, but... Why wouldn't they do it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at nuclear weapons!
		They can wipe out a whole city with a single Merv.
		I mean, they can wipe out multiple cities with a MIRV.
		Twelve warheads in one ICBM.
		I hate these acronyms.
		Let's try this again.
		Twelve warheads in one multiple independently targeting re-entry vehicles.
		That's what a MIRV is.
		It's an intercontinental ballistic missile.
		You say like MIRV and ICBM and people are like, I have no idea what you just said.
		Yeah, I don't know, man.
		It's tough.
		Are we sitting here spinning our wheels and wasting our time arguing about culture war nonsense?
		No.
		When you go to the highest levels and you see this is the case.
		Let's talk about the realm of domestic politics in this regard.
		If Donald Trump's worldview is really, let's not have the war that destroys the planet.
		Let's shore up our borders, protect the United States, bring back manufacturing, and become self-sufficient because the long fall is coming.
		And the alternative is, no, let's go all out, take over the world, and destroy BRICS by any means necessary so that we can stay on top of the world.
		Which do you choose?
		I think the Trump angle is the better one.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, absolutely.
		Not just practically speaking, but morally speaking.
		Not only would there be so much bloodshed and lost life if we tried doing something like that, but it is It assumes that other nations don't have the right to
		develop currencies while we're debasing ours.
		It assumes that other nations should be forced into dollar slavery and have to hold this asset, this currency, while
		we're abusing it and showing them we don't respect it ourselves.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the challenge. The Chinese Communist Party is pretty dang evil.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They are very evil.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So there's the other argument of, if we just decide, you know what, we're going to close our doors, to a great degree, not completely, but we're going to bolster the American economy and we're going to focus on ourselves, China's going to keep expanding, they're not going to stop.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends.
		I mean, firstly, China does get a lot of money from the United States just with respect to the business that we do with them.
		So if we just started doing everything domestically, it would be painful for us, but I also think it would be very painful for them.
		I'll also add that if we were to go to war with China over human rights abuses, if there was like a real legitimate reason for us to go to war, if you went through all the tenets of just war theory and they all lined up, then yeah.
		But that's a different question than just going to war with them over them wanting to use a currency that isn't ours.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		The justification is a massive part of it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think everyone was just in agreement with you, Seamus.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		Good.
		I like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Perfect.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Shimcast.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		IRL.
unidentified		Here we are.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The question is, what does a regular family do?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Yeah, well, I mean, that's a very good question.
		You've said this on the show before, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'll say it again for you.
		I believe it's a good idea for people to get out of blue areas, generally speaking.
		Not even necessarily because of this question, but just the fact that blue states and blue cities end up having really bad policies.
		There are going to be a lot of people there who are not a good influence for you and your family, so I'll put that out there.
		You know, it's recommended by federal agencies, even in the United States, that you should have some emergency food stored up.
		I think people should do that.
		Just try to live as moral a life as possible.
		People aren't going to be surprised to hear this from me, because this is the advice I'm going to give in every situation, but get close to Jesus Christ, really get right with God, live a moral life, and then if something horrible ends up happening, if America ends up being destroyed, well, you lived a good life, you did the right thing, you formed the proper relationship with the truth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to some domestic politics here, because we have this story out of Georgia.
		Actually, it was trending earlier in the day.
		Georgia's state representative makes moral decision to leave party.
		Rep.
		Mesha Mainer quit the Democratic Party and has joined the GOP, saying for far too long the Democrat Party has gotten away with using and abusing the black community.
unidentified		That's it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's from District 56.
		She's been in since January of 2021.
		She ran unopposed by a Republican challenger in the 2020 and 22 Democrat primary elections in the state.
		And now she's quitting.
		It's not the first time.
		Won't be the last time.
		But I have to wonder what's in store for us in 2024 if this trend continues, because the reality is we're not seeing the inverse trend.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This idea of Republicans jumping ship and becoming Democrats is just not a thing.
		It happens sometimes, but not really.
		Typically, it's neocons and people who want war siding with neolibs who agree with them on war.
		But when it comes to cultural issues, like her issue with school choice, Democrats say outright, no, do as you're told.
		And she was like, I'm out.
unidentified		I'm out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that what you mentioned about it not going the other way, that it's not really conservative or whatever, I think that they all kind of beat feet in 2016.
		If you were anti-Trump or whatever and you were an establishment-type Republican, they kind of have already left the party and they did it years ago.
		So to speak to this phenomenon of Democrats, I mean, you see it.
		You see it in the, you know, in the political space, but you also see it, you know, with, uh, what's her name?
		Anna Kasparian.
		Um, there was another leftist that had recently come out and, and left, you know, essentially left the left.
		And a lot of it is because they find out that the narrative that is spun by the left generally does not map onto the truth or doesn't map on re onto reality.
		Um, and.
		There are going to be people that are going to disagree about the places where it doesn't map onto reality, but I think that the LGBT issues when it comes to transitioning kids is where the breaking point for most people are.
		It's like, look, you cannot You cannot have trans kids.
		You cannot have kids that are prepubescent, that you're encouraging, not just allowing, but encouraging at times, to live their lives as if they're a different, you know, as if they're biologically different.
		That is unacceptable to the mass majority of the population.
		And I think that that's starting to show when it comes to, you know, I don't know the specific reasons that Rep... What's her name?
		Rep what?
		Maynard?
		Misha Maynard?
		I don't know why she specifically left.
		I don't know, you know, I haven't read her specific story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		School choice was the big issue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She wanted parents to be able to... She was concerned that many of these schools were so awful that these kids were struggling on how to read and that parents should have a right to take their kid and put him in a better school and the Democrats were like, no, shut your mouth.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		See, and that should be something that is That should be something that is really important to especially poor communities and communities that have kids that aren't, you know, making, they're graduating with a third grade or fourth grade reading level.
		Like, that is a huge concern and that's something that you hear about all the time.
		So, you know, more power to her.
		I think that that's something that more people should be concerned about.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely agreed.
		There are a lot of issues that people say shouldn't be political, and most of the time, when I hear that phrase, I roll my eyes.
		It's like, well, too bad.
		It is political.
		That's how this country works.
		We have one party that's heinously evil.
		Not to say every individual person in the party realizes that, but yeah, what the party wants is disgusting and horrible and will destroy the country.
		But when it comes to school choice, I just want to finish this thought.
		When it comes to school choice, it's so obvious from any framework that this is the right thing.
		Let parents choose where they send their kids to school.
		Don't force kids to stay stuck in failing school systems.
		Now, I don't know why I would have the expectation that people who think it's okay to groom and mutilate kids and kill unborn babies would see that.
		Also, maybe parents shouldn't be forced to put their kids in failing schools.
		But even without those other two questions, that people end up being tied up with their party's language on and not examining critically, with the school choice stuff, you just gotta think, it's... Whenever they say things like, You're going to destroy or defund the public school system.
		What they're acknowledging is parents would choose anything besides the public school system if they had a choice.
		So even their own arguments against school choice are arguments for school choice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to say, real quick, Up until recently, both parties were discernibly evil.
		And then you had this insurgency with Bernie and with Donald Trump, and then Bernie showed himself to be quite a bit duplicitous, and Trump showed himself to be particularly anti-establishment in some areas.
		And so what you end up with now is a lot of people of influence in the Republican Party who oppose war, who oppose these things that are objectively evil, And objectively evil, and abjectly evil, and now you have still the neocons trying to claw back power in the Republican Party to once again restore the two massively evil machines in this country.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, well, I think you're right that all the elements of the Republican Party that it ended up shedding during the Trump administration, at least the bad elements, are ones that people want to restore.
		I think there's things the Republican Party shed as a result of the Trump paradigm and him taking over the party that I don't think the Republican Party should have shed.
		I think the Republican Party's become too socially liberal.
		But when it comes to the warfare issue, oh yeah, I mean, it's one of his greatest accomplishments was pushing the neocons into the Democratic Party.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who was it?
		Was it Mike Pence recently?
		Somebody, uh, some Republican was like, we don't care about culture war issues that are stupid.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I saw that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who was that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember who that was, but I saw that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's like, that's, you're so wrong, but oh, firstly, firstly, the two are unbelievably closely linked.
		This is, I understand sometimes we want to separate issues into economic issues and social issues, and sometimes that can make sense, but broadly speaking, it's not possible.
		It's really not possible.
		Your social views are going to inform your economic views.
		I don't understand how that could possibly not be the case.
		But even so, to say, well, you know, like, I'm really interested in slicing the top marginal tax rate by 3%, and I'm not concerned by the fact that children are being abused and systemically groomed through this horrible school system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		I disagree.
		Jimmy Dore is left with a lot of economic stuff, but not on a bunch of other weird, creepy stuff.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Sure, no, I totally agree, but I think that he would tell you that his moral vision for America is holistic and combines his economic and moral perspectives.
unidentified		Yes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Even though I would disagree with him, right, on how he applies those principles.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You take a look at this Mesha Maynard Democrat who's now a Republican, and this is a good example of someone who's like, Yo, I disagree with this one issue, and they say basically, get out of the party.
		The Democratic Party is basically the party of, are you in the cult or not?
		And anybody not in that cult is right-wing.
		Is this how the media works?
		Kind of hilarious.
		I mean, you can think about it in any context.
		Jimmy Dore.
		The dude advocates for very socialist policies.
		They'll call him right-wing.
		However, considering he is fairly socialist on a lot of issues, they struggle with it.
		You take a look at how they refer to me.
		Liberal on many issues, traditionally, not modern leftism.
		And they'll say that's right-wing.
		Because the only thing that matters, and what this Democrat is realizing, either you march in lockstep with the cult, or you get out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't care what they call me, I'm not marching next to them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you guys seen that video where they're all holding their hands up and they're like, I will respect my black brothers and sisters.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You never saw that one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me pull that one up.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's such a blatant virtue signal.
unidentified		I feel like I would die.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's a cult, bro!
		I'll mention this.
		You know, the Democrats will say, if you disagree with us on, like, 0.5% of our values, you're an evil fascist or whatever.
		The right, I think, has become far too inclusive on the other end, where we just say, anyone.
		What is funny, what the left says is, if you disagree with the left on 0.5% of anything, you're not on the left.
		And we say, and you're on the right!
		It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
		They're not necessarily on the right, just because the left doesn't like them.
		It's not to say we can't work with them on the area where there's agreement, it's just to say we have to have some way to define these terms.
		Like, just because the left is way too strict and purist doesn't mean that we abandon principles.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wanna play this clip?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible.
		I will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible.
		And do everything in my power to educate my community.
		And do everything in my power to educate my community.
		Look at this.
		I will love my black neighbors the same as my white ones.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's colorblindness.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at this.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		You don't think it's a cult when you see that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Is that a white person saying it too?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		That is the whitest group of people that I have seen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Join the cult.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That is definitely in Vermont.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Or something like that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't see anyone complaining about the fact that these are all white people either.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We were talking about that post on Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How many videos do we need to show people to be like, yo, this is a cult?
		I'm not exaggerating.
		I'm not being cute.
		I'm not being derisive.
		I'm being factual and academic in saying the modern left is a cult.
		It is a large cult.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to be clear, they're praying.
		Like, that's what they're doing, they're praying.
		That's a prayer ceremony right there.
		They have a leader up there who's leading worship and they're chanting, but that is prayer.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's what's happening there.
		It's the same thing as a confession of faith into Catholicism, or it's the same idea.
		They're confessing that they're a member of that particular ideology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, this is like a prayer service.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's more or less what I'm saying.
		This is like when you go to a church and, you know, the preacher's up at the front of the priest, depending on which group of Christians you're talking about, and he's stating something and the congregation repeats it.
		I mean, when we're talking about, like, ancient prayers that have a precedent and point to something true, good, and beautiful, that can be a wonderful thing.
		When we're talking about ideological language that was invented ten years ago in order to shame you for the color of your skin, well, I think it's pretty creepy.
		But, ultimately, it is prayer.
		It is prayer.
		And there's nothing wrong with prayer and religion in and of itself, but there is something wrong with these prayers in this religion because they're wrong.
		Very wrong.
		Dangerously wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You need to make a better argument than that.
		Like, the way I think about any kind of true religious prayer is sort of a Name the religion that believes in a higher power, and prayer is effectively an admission or, you know, in some way, it's rooted in knowing you are not the end-all be-all.
		It is not all about you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is something greater and beyond you.
		And there is a component of reaching out to the universe, to God, or whatever it is you believe.
		So, I don't believe that prayer, in this context, is just specifically rooted to one religion.
		In that context, you know, Seamus, you might say, Christianity Catholicism is the correct one.
		The rest, people are praying to nothing or whatever.
		However you want to describe it, my point is this.
		This is prayer to a person.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I would say that... These people are praying to a person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A human.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		One specific human.
		Yeah, so what I would say is that obviously Christianity is correct.
		I think sometimes people in like certain pagan religions are like praying to demons or praying to themselves or if it's someone who hasn't been introduced to Christianity before and they're like trying to find God, you know, and they're just innocently asking questions, I think it's possible for God to, you know, hear that.
		But that said, Um, I think that what you're seeing here is a kind of self-worship, because these people are able to fit in with the group by chanting these words, and it's more or less about that.
		It's more or less about fitting in virtue signaling, saying, I'm one of you guys, I have the trendy opinion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a scary video, man.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's very scary.
		Creeps me out.
		I don't like it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, to be honest with you, I don't mind it because I'm hoping that there can be some kind of something brought to the Supreme Court to get that whole ideology declared a religion so that way you can have it completely and totally quarantined from legislation.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Let it have it have it be declared a religion so that way people can exercise their religion They can you know live their life that way believe what they want just keep it completely and totally isolated from from state power So the government can't you know give any kind of past laws based on any of that any of the the ideology Well, I think what people have to contend with is a problem that has existed ever since we started talking about a separation of church and state, which is that we have determined that one set of moral truth claims should be placed in this category, called religion, and other sets of truth claims, even if made about the exact same thing, because they don't openly claim that they reference a creator or a god, are not to be considered religious, and therefore can meddle with legal processes.
		The reality is, these views are fundamentally religious because an ideology is basically just a false religion that doesn't expressly purport to worshipping any kind of god.
		And so, you have a religion, you have competing religions, but these ones, because they don't call themselves that, because they call themselves something else, are able to, you know, have themselves declared legally as national or state religions, basically.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need a good legal understanding of what a religion is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The Supreme Court has a... I'll Google it, because they actually have a specific definition.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I believe it includes, like, belief in a deity or something like that.
		No, it couldn't.
		It couldn't.
		Because then Buddhism, I think, is out.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, people have argued about that before, like, Buddhism, because it doesn't technically say that there are... I think some interpretations don't.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a Buddhism expert.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think Buddhists believe in God.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think it might, does it depend on the Buddhists or do they all just say there is no God?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Because I remember learning about it as an atheistic religion, but I think some might believe that there is some kind of God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think Buddhism doesn't necessarily require you to believe or not to believe in a higher power.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like base Buddhism does not, like the Buddha himself would have said that's incorrect, because it's a life path essentially.
		It's not, that wouldn't be real Buddhism, I sound so crude in saying that, but no, the point is that- Those are heretic Buddhists?
		Essentially, yes.
		Honoring Buddha and rubbing his belly and things like that are human things that have come up later on.
		They're not actually part of the original core idea that Buddha Sattva set out when he was on Earth.
		It was not his thing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But they would say they're all human things though, right, if they don't believe in a god?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Well, they believe in enlightenment.
		They do believe in a state of being beyond that, which would be akin to, like, heaven.
		But again, like, rubbing the belly and all that stuff like that are human idols that have been created in time beyond that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't see anything that specifies the definition.
		It brought me to the... It was auto-correcting to scouts, as in the Boy Scouts at first.
		So I'm still looking at it.
		I don't see anything, though.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think when you see stuff like this?
unidentified		I think it should be classified as a religion.
		I mean, it might as well be.
		I don't know.
		It's really creepy to see them worshipping.
		I mean, what is it that they're worshipping?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Themselves.
		There's nothing else there.
		There's no ethos.
		There's no moral structure.
		There's no plan.
		There's no path.
		It's literally just, will you repeat the words I say?
		Yes or no?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
		Yeah, well, and I think some element of it is also a humiliation ritual, because, all right, so let's say we just take their words.
		I don't remember every single thing they said, but one thing is, I will, like, love my black neighbors just as much as my white neighbors.
		Now, there's, like, Someone stands you up at the front of the room and they're like, I need you to say in front of me that, like, you're not going to go, you know, hurt innocent people.
		Okay, well, the fact that you're being asked that is an indictment of you.
		And the fact that you would take that question seriously suggests that you do need to answer that question because we can't really be sure about you.
		So, there's a strong element of a humiliation ritual to this, which, if you're trying to abuse people, which is effectively what happens with bad religions and ideologies, is you're just kind of abusing your congregation, well, you want to see them prove that they're willing to humiliate themselves for you.
		They're willing to put up with any kind of treatment.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		James Lindsay makes a compelling argument that it's Gnosticism, and it boils down to the existing religions that people are familiar with, like your Abrahamic religions, those are actually the devil, and that there is a god behind them that's hidden from everybody, and that god is actually imprisoned in reality.
		So the gods that we know of as Abrahamic religion gods, They have imprisoned the real God in reality and the God is in everyone.
		So you hear people say there's a lot of times where people will make remarks that they don't realize are actually like a cult or Gnostic.
		But when people say God's in everybody.
		I don't think there's anything that's Catholic that says that God is actually in everyone, but the Gnostic religion kind of, and this is not all Gnostic.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Like the Gnostic heresy almost.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's called the heresy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		heresy. So it's like it's as if God is in everybody and the ideal is to have
		everybody realize that they are God and then once everyone realizes that they
		are God that's the beginning of history or the end of history
		depending on the way that you you are describing it.
		But yeah, it's people believing that they are God, and they want to transcend their bodies to become one with God or whatever, and that's part of why the trans community, transhumanism, Kind of mixes into it too because they believe that their bodies are prisons and if you talk to people on the left a lot of times when they're describing the way that they have their their their Outlook on life is they look at the world being unfair and their bodies a prison and they're not really free and you hear that through the left when it comes to like oh if you have to go to work then you're not really free that's
		articulating that they believe that their own body and maintaining their own body is actually imprisoning them and they can't be their true selves because they have to go to work and these are these are themes that you hear the left talk and I'm talking about the far left but these are things that you hear the left talking about frequently and it lines up with the idea that it's it's a Gnostic ideology or Gnostic heresy.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, there's a couple things there, and of course we believe as Christians that every human has God's image and likeness on them.
		Yeah, but that's not saying you're God.
		Exactly, exactly.
		That's basically what the devil says, I am God.
		That was his claim.
		Now, I also think that you touched on a very important point, which is that in Gnosticism there's this kind of idea that, like, the flesh itself is evil and that you can transcend it in the sense that your mind can be something other than what your body is and it's superior, and the internal state of someone who says they're a woman when they're clearly a man must be honored above the actual physical reality, because not only do the two not conform, But the quote-unquote spiritual reality is higher.
		Gnosticism is a little bit difficult to pin down just because it's similar to the New Age movement in the sense that there's different kinds of varieties, but generally, yeah, I think you're right, that there's this heavy element of Gnostic spiritualism to all of it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this like Gnosis, this case of Gnosis of like, You're only your knowledge and only your truth is the truth that matters not objective truth.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There is no objective reality Yeah, and I think that's where I see it as well That's why I think is it's Gnostic in that sense and one of the things that I that I have heard people heard again Lindsay was talking about this is that A lot of the Gnostic cults that have existed in history actually kind of like mask themselves onto existing religions.
		So they'll say to Christians or whatever, they'll say, well, you know, you're getting this information from your priest or whatever, but I know this other part that is actually your religion, but it's a secret part.
		And that's where the gnosis comes from.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They know the secret.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, the esoteric knowledge, the secret, hidden religion, and it's actually your religion, but your whole religion, not the piece that's only been hit, because you've only been given a little piece, because the people that are in power want to stay in power, so they only give you a little bit.
		I have the gnosis, I have the knowledge to give to you, and it's done a whole, throughout history, Gnostic Gnostics have used that type of argument to infiltrate religions that exist and kind of, you know, turn them into a symbiotic religion.
		No, not a symbiote, like a parasite, I guess.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, they'll do the same thing.
		I have the real science.
		Science actually says biological sex doesn't exist.
		I can make that claim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the story from ABC News.
		Kansas must stop changing trans people's sex listing on driver's licenses, judge says.
		A state court judge has ordered Kansas to stop allowing trans people to change the listing for sex on their driver's license.
		This one caused a lot of contentious issues there on the internet, as many people on the left are saying it's far-right fascism, etc, etc.
		But my question with this story is actually quite simple, the reason why I wanted to bring it up in this conversation.
		If the left continually says sex and gender are different, Why would a trans person ever change their sex on a birth certificate or driver's license when they are not in fact changing their sex?
		They are just trying to affirm or confirm their gender, which is a social construct.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well right, this is how it started.
		They created this nonsensical distinction between sex and gender.
		Gender is a term that was only used to describe language.
		So they took something that only referred to inanimate objects, or I shouldn't even call it an object, but an artifact of language, and they applied it to humans, which already has dehumanizing connotations to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, they didn't do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We did it because words naturally acquired meaning.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
unidentified		Hold on.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		John Money coined the term gender identity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then on government documents, it'll ask you your gender, not your sex.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's not referring to the male or female nature of a word.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It eventually came to mean biological sex.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		So what happened was, because people were uncomfortable saying sex and wanted a euphemism, they would just say gender instead.
		So in some instances, it was used interchangeably.
		And then sometimes it was used to say, well, your sex and gender identity are two different things, because your sex is the biological reality and your gender is the expression.
		And they said that for a very long time to get people to accept transgenderism, but now, hmm, they've pushed the two back together.
		And what do they say?
		Oh, actually, your gender is also your biological sex, because if you say this is what you are, we have to also say that that's what your biological sex is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the issue here is there is a reason why we ask for the sex of the individual, typically for medical reasons.
		I mean, that's basically it.
		We can see the picture of your face on the card.
		If we want to know it's you, we'll look at the picture on your face.
		The reason sex is listed is literally in case someone needs to identify your biology and they can't tell.
		Some people are naturally feminine looking and some women are naturally masculine looking.
		There are instances where people are androgynous.
		And so, let's say you have a heart attack and you collapse.
		Medical person's gonna come in.
		Do they have an ID on them?
		They're gonna look at your ID and be like, okay, they're female.
		Okay, we know.
		A bit about their body, it's gonna be different from a male body.
		Changing it does nothing to inform anyone of anything.
		Quite the opposite, actually.
		So if the real issue is they want to affirm their gender, and they believe gender and sex are different things, to the point where there are non-binary people simply because they don't want to wear a suit or a dress, then why would you ever change sex on a government document?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, because you constantly need the constructions of your own mind to be validated, and you constantly need a grievance, so you're just going to keep pushing it down the line, saying, like, well, you've accepted my gender identity, but you don't accept my sex.
		I mean, it's all nonsense, but you're absolutely right.
		You need to know a person's sex medically, especially if they're unconscious and they can't communicate it to you like you described.
		Different medicines might be able to be used in a specific situation, but not another one, like, depending on your sex.
		It's also true of dosages of medicines.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so this is one of the principal edifiers of it being a cult.
		The left adheres to things that make no sense for no reason other than you must.
		That's it.
		The larger group agrees on a concept, and you must fall in line with whatever the majority of that cult believes and does, even if it serves no purpose or makes no sense.
		If you disagree, in fact, this is actually probably the principal component of the cult.
		The ultimate test.
		Will you agree to something that is not true?
		Yes or no?
		And so as you can see, many of these people will come out and say, gender and sex are different.
		And you'll say, okay.
		And they'll say, also, a person can change their sex.
		And you're like, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on.
		If a person is gender-fluid, their gender can change.
		And if a person wants to get gender confirmation surgery, they are confirming their gender, not their sex.
		You're now conflating sex and gender as a single thing, while simultaneously arguing.
		Oh, you've challenged us.
		Exposing yourself.
		I think to a great degree the point of holding contradictory claims is so that people who aren't falling in line with the cult expose themselves.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		What do you feel about this?
		Do you think this is a horrible bigoted thing?
unidentified		I think it's ridiculous.
		I mean, it's all about their affirmation, you know, and they need to, you know, everyone needs to confirm what they are, but it's definitely two different things.
		And medically, I mean, it's important to know when somebody arrives in the emergency room and there's, you know, a problem, there's different you know, ways to go about approaching the patient. So yeah,
		I mean, I think there are medications. Yeah, or even like CPR, I think is a
		little bit different.
		Or, you know, there's all kinds of different things. But this is just it's, it's right.
		You're right. It's a cult. And it's either you, you know, go in lockstep with what they say,
		or you're bummed out, which is why I think the lady you had on earlier,
		that's great that she finally, you know, But it only took one thing.
		It only took one thing for her to go against, and then that was it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently it's been a couple years.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And she's finally like, okay, I can't do this anymore.
unidentified		Right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how far off we are from them just removing the sex category from a driver's license and having you put your pronouns there, and that's it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's all we need to know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Pronouns are also another thing.
		It's all meant to identify you as a part of the cult.
		That's really it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think it also adds to that element of there being a humiliation requirement or humiliation ritual.
		I mean, before this ideology infested everything, the idea that you would ask someone whether you should call them he or she would be, and should be, considered incredibly insulting.
		What are you talking about?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't tell?
		I would welcome anybody.
		There's a meme going around where it's like, I tried the Lizzo test, That's what they called it.
		Oh no!
		And my aunt started crying.
		They basically said, he said he went up to his aunt and said, in a polite way, you look like a trans woman.
		And he said his aunt started crying.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's mean.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he was like, but she was very liberal and very pro-trans and was arguing and saying all this stuff.
		And then he said something like, well, you know, you look like a trans woman.
		And then she got really angry and started crying.
		And his point was like, why are you crying?
		If you like and respect trans women and you think they're good and beautiful, why would you cry if someone called you that?
		Because they're lying.
		They're in a cult.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		She knew he wasn't calling her brave.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's not what that implies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		So I'm kind of thinking about this, like, in the future, I'm not going to ask someone where they are politically.
		I'm going to say, are you in the cult or not in the cult?
		And then just see what they say.
		Because I've had, like, liberal family members be like, you're saying that I'm in a cult because I disagree with you?
		And I'm like, no, I'm saying you're in a cult because you believe things that are contradictory and you're too afraid to say anything against the contradictions because people will attack you and you fear that.
		Yeah, see, other people will be like, that quite doesn't make sense, whether or not they get attacked.
		One is free, knowing freedom is dangerous, and the others are scared into saying things that don't make sense and contradict themselves, like 2 plus 2 equals 5, out of fear of what might happen to them socially.
		One's a cult, one's not.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, exactly.
		I mean, all of us disagree on certain things.
		I don't think we've ever really, like, accused each other of being cult members on the basis of those disagreements.
		So the idea that we're just gonna claim anyone who's outside of our values as a cult member is ridiculous.
		It's not about that.
		Like, this is a particularly strange set of values that have incredibly strict standards.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not even a set of values, dude.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, values is a term that can just refer to what somebody literally values, and the things they value are very bizarre.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When we had a particular leftist on this show, we were talking about these books, these shockingly gratuitous books in schools, and she goes, so you're in favor of abstinence-only sex ed?
		And I was like, no.
		And she was, oh.
		I'm like, because you're in a cult, right?
		You can't comprehend Contradictions.
		It's all just... anything the left says must be true no matter what, and anyone who disagrees must be the other.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		With me or against me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		But look at who you... I mean, it is worth taking into consideration who you are dealing with.
		And the point of them being... But that's most of these people!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not... look...
		There are intelligent political commentators.
		Hey, surprise, surprise, they tend to fall in a similar set of beliefs.
		We can talk about Destiny, a liberal guy, but he has no issue coming here and having a discussion because he actually believes things and is having a real conversation about them.
		Then you have cult members who will say literally anything so long as it fits the cult narrative.
		It's not about politics.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like, Destiny would look at the information, he'd change his opinion.
		He's not going to, like, totally be disingenuous.
		He'll look at something, see facts and see numbers and be like, oh, okay, you were right about that.
		Whereas many other people would look at the numbers or just completely look beyond them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when you mention the people we're talking to...
		There's a reason why when we have Destiny on and have this conversation, it's not generating millions of clips and millions of views.
		And when we have a cult member on it, it does.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because Destiny's not a cult member.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so people are not... He may as well be considered right-wing at this point.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm waiting for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, your political positions do not determine whether or not you are left or right anymore.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, as long as you anger that group to some extent, they're going to label you far-right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Not just right-wing, but like far-right and fascist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you say that Joe Biden, there is evidence that he engaged in corrupt activities, insert whichever one, you are now conservative.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you make a movie criticizing child trafficking, they call it a conservative movie.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They call it faith-based, religious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sound of Freedom was just a movie!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They call it a QAnon fodder, and it's pro-QAnon.
		What else do they say about it?
		That it's for dads with brain worms or something?
		I think that was the Rolling Stone review that was published.
		I wonder why people connected to Hollywood are so concerned about a movie that sheds awareness on child trafficking becoming popular.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing political in the movie.
unidentified		Nothing!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a law enforcement agent tracking down criminals and saving kids.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But you know what else?
		And here's the thing, you're correct that that's not political, but to them it is.
		Not only for some of the more nefarious reasons we could point to, but just portraying law enforcement in a positive light is already a massive issue for them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It does speak to the fact that the left does politicize everything.
		And there are going to be people that, or there would be people that would push back on that and say, well, Phil, you know, the right does it too, or, or whatever.
		But if you look at the philosophy of the, of the left and the thinkers on the left, the idea of the personal is political came from the left.
		Like that, that's what the, the early feminists were saying.
		I think it was the feminists that first started saying the personal is political.
		And it's something that expands to, to other, uh, Types of leftism or other genres of leftist leftism or whether the the LGBT issues that we see right now are because they demand Sexuality to be a political topic.
		It doesn't have to be it could be simply look you don't teach children You know sex ed possibly at all because you know human beings have figured it out for A couple hundred thousand years that human beings have been human before we had, you know, government schools.
		So it's not like it's necessary to ensure the survival of the population for the government to explain how sex works.
		That's not necessary at all.
		But the reason to have these things in school is because they can be made political.
		If you can Cast something in a political light and make young people start asking political questions when they're, you know, 10, 11, 12.
		Then you can make activists out of them.
		And that's the goal.
		The intent is to make activists out of kids.
		So whether it be LGBT issues or whatever the dynamic is, whether it be race issues or whatever, Any time you can get young people activated politically, you're going to get a portion of them that are going to become committed political actors, and they're going to become the activists of the next generation and stuff.
		The point is to politicize as much as possible from the left with leftist talking points or with leftist perspectives.
		That's why you have your average mom and dad that are like, hold on, we don't want our kids to learn this stuff.
		And the government's, you know, sending the FBI after.
		You know?
		Because that's literally what happens.
		I've made up one thing.
		All of that stuff is factual things that have happened.
		So again, I'll get pushback from some of the people that are friends of mine that are left-leaning.
		And it's like, look, I'm not making any of this up.
		This is just talking about things that are happening and have happened.
		So the idea that the person was political is something that lives on the left.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I mean, I would agree with a lot of that.
		I would say that, and I don't think you would actually disagree, that there are some, and probably many, massive goals with showing this stuff to kids that go beyond just a mere political statement.
		Yes, yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Those are opportunists, I think.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a mixture.
		I think they're opportunists, but I think there actually are people who want to uphold, like, a kind of systemic grooming.
		And I'll also add here that the reason we have Sex ed of any form.
		Firstly, I don't think it's going to shock anyone to hear me say I think this is something that parents should be doing and not schools.
		But the whole reason we have these programs is to tell people what not to do.
		People are going to figure out what they can do with their bodies, alright?
		You have to tell them what they're not supposed to do.
		So to show them a bunch of perverted stuff that they hadn't considered is not sex ed.
		That is grooming.
		The purpose of sex ed is boundaries.
		Don't do this thing.
		Don't do this till you're married.
		Even like the more comprehensive programs, by the way, which I don't agree with that terminology, I don't agree with teaching kids about birth control, but even they'll say, don't do this without birth control.
		Like the whole point is supposed to be about saying, don't do this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Phil brought up the FBI.
		I wanted to jump to this story from the post-millennial.
		Take a look.
		FBI facilitated censorship requests on behalf of Ukrainian intelligence agency compromised by Kremlin.
		Wow, that's a mouthful.
		Okay, so let's slow this down.
		So the Ukrainian intelligence agency is going to the FBI and being like, we want these ideas censored.
		And they're like, you got it, boss.
		Meanwhile, it was actually the Russians facilitating it.
		How incredible is this?
		A new report released by the House Committee on the Judiciary and the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government has revealed that the FBI, under Joe Biden, facilitated censorship requests to American social media companies on behalf of a Ukrainian intelligence agency infiltrated by Russian-aligned actors.
		Okay, let me wrap my head around this.
		Does that mean the people who are doing the censorship are actually Russian useful idiots?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, so this story is Russians, pretending to be Ukrainians, got the FBI to censor people.
		So that means the people being censored were being censored at the request of Russians.
		Joe Biden His administration inadvertently colluded with the Russians to silence Americans.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Joe Biden's a Russian puppet, and I think I can say that with full sincerity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe since the 80s.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Because, well, here's the thing.
		So maybe a Soviet puppet?
		People accuse Donald Trump of having been a Russian puppet.
		I don't believe that's true, but if he wanted to choose to be a Russian puppet, he could have been.
		The thing about Joe Biden is he's in a very precarious position because it's very easy to become a puppet when you don't have a brain.
		And anyone who sends him any information That is vetted by the people around him who supposedly care about him, who I also don't think are necessarily the brightest minds this country has to offer, can get him to say and do things that are very much not in line with the interests of this country.
		So yeah, Joe Biden censoring people on the behest of a foreign power because there was misinformation spread by that foreign power that eventually reached him is not exactly a shocking thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I just want to point out, once again, the Democrats were the ones doing what they were accusing the Republicans of doing.
unidentified		It's projection.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		As usual.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Beyond projection.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Also, uh, smash the FBI into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds?
		Just saying.
		Just an idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds about right.
unidentified		Yeah?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Sounds good to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess the larger question is, what do we do to solve a problem like this?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
unidentified		I have no idea.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Come on, it needs to be you.
		You have to figure this out for us.
		Right now.
unidentified		Pressure.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Pressure's on.
unidentified		Yeah, I have no idea, but I mean, you're right.
		I mean, he's a puppet anyway.
		You know, you could get him to do just about anything, but that's interesting that they've got it framed like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The FBI was working on behalf of the Russians?
unidentified		Right.
		Wow!
		Insane!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, isn't it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the real goal is to deflect the U.S.
		away from what China is doing.
		The Russians aren't working with China.
		The Russians want us preoccupied.
		Maybe everything they're doing is a distraction so that China can move on Taiwan, which is substantially more important strategically than Ukraine is to Russia.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Before all those new chip fabs can be built in the desert.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And then think about this.
		The people who get censored on social media tend to be right-wing and tend to oppose the war in Ukraine.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why would Russia want these particular individuals censored?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unless they were targeting the left or liberals or something like that.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It'd be interesting to see what those censorship requests were, what was censored at the behest of, I guess, now Russian moles in Ukrainian intelligence, which is such a crazy statement to make.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is amazing.
		The SBU, this is Russian intelligence, sent the FBI lists of thousands of social media accounts accused of spreading Russian disinformation, which the U.S.
		agency then distributed to social media platforms Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and Twitter.
		Holy crap.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Compromised by Russia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who could have seen that coming?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		not on the bingo card. Yeah, we've honestly developed a very strange view of Russia over
		the past five or six years. You guys remember about 10 years ago when Mitt Romney said that
		Russia was going to become a massive geopolitical threat and everyone laughed at him? And to be
		fair, rightly so. Mitt Romney is to be laughed at. But this was something that even the left
		thought was ridiculous at that time.
		And then as soon as it became politically advantageous to them to start blaming Russia for everything, they did.
		And they haven't stopped.
		They have not stopped.
		And now we have the Biden administration, I guess, maybe changing their tune on that, of course, inadvertently, it seems.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Joe Biden.
unidentified		Joe Biden.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I've been saying that unironically for a while, but the more and more that you talk about it potentially being China and Russia essentially playing blocker for it, that's what I kind of think is happening.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's unfortunate, but that's what I think is happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We talked about World War III.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess the question is, is all of this a distraction, or what will lead up to, say, the invasion of Taiwan, which is really going to kick things off?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I, there's part of me that's that thinks that regardless of what happens, uh, what the Chinese do in, in relation to Taiwan, the U S can't really do anything about it.
		I, as far, I mean, this is, you know, this is an un, uh, an expert opinion.
		Cause I'm not, I'm not a, uh, geopolitical, uh, expert or anything, but I just don't see the United States, you know, having the, the wherewithal to actually go to, you know, have any kind of combat in the South China Sea over Taiwan.
		If I understand correctly, we don't have the munitions, the US military power is down 25% I think is the recruitment goal that they were down last year that they missed it by.
		Overall, I don't know exactly which branch had what the deficit was for each branch, but They're not making recruitment goals.
		They're sending all of the bombs and stuff that we have over to Ukraine and our stores of munitions have run low, if I understand correctly.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		But that's also just good for a lot of like the military industrial complex.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		They want to make new ones.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what I'm saying is I don't see how, that's true and I agree with you, but I don't see how the U.S.
		is in a position to actually engage in any kind of defense of Taiwan, especially if we're What amounts to a two front war, at least logistically, like we don't have, you know, people on the front lines in Ukraine, but we're, you know, sending munitions to Ukraine, as if we're engaged in it.
		So a two front logistical war, I don't see the US being able to handle that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I can't speak too much to, like, the tactics or what we have with respect to, you know, munitions or anything like that, but what I'm curious about is how the United States would be able to get enough people to sign up to fight in any of these wars.
		I think a lot of the people who are supporting the Russia-Ukraine war are not people who are going to enlist for combat roles in the U.S.
		military.
		I think that if China were to invade Taiwan, there's probably more people who would be willing to enlist to fight that war, but I can't imagine enough people for that to be a possible reality who would be willing to sign up.
		So the question is, what does the government do?
		I mean, how does the government get people to enlist if this happens?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The moment There becomes a true existential threat to the United States.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All of these leftists are going to start screaming, good, America is bad and it shouldn't exist anyway.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Think so?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're not going to fight anything.
		They're going to be like, yay!
		Or run.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Or what they'll do is they'll demand that other people fight it for them.
		This is something kind of remarkable too, when you look at how much we've stratified as a nation, how much we've broken apart, how little people see themselves as part of a common project anymore.
		When you look at what happened on 9-11, New York City was attacked and a bunch of guys from the South signed up to fight a war because of it.
		Do you think that Southerners would enlist to fight a war if New York got attacked today?
		I think fewer of them probably would.
		I think we don't see ourselves- because at that time it was understood that was an attack on our nation.
		I think today, we don't really see ourselves as a unified whole.
		And I think if one part of the country got attacked, way fewer people would feel as if it was an attack on our entire country, and they would just see it as an isolated attack on that group of people.
		I don't think we view ourselves the same way we did in 2001 with respect to national loyalty.
		I don't think we see ourselves as loyal and also I think whether we would sympathize with them enough to like enlist in some kind of conflict or whether people in other parts of the country would is also going to be highly dependent on who attacks them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you pre-attack.
		I think that the temperament of the most people in the U.S.
		would change post-traumatic attack.
		I think that your assessment is correct, like the way that the stratification of the population of the U.S.
		has gone in the past 20 years, I think you're dead on.
		But I do think that a massive attack that claims a lot of lives or is dramatic would change.
		Now, I don't think that it would have the same.
		You don't think there'd be any change at all?
unidentified		Nope.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I do.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everybody thought that COVID would unite the country.
		They're like, oh man, this virus.
		No way.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think what might end up happening is there would just be competing narratives on which political party was to blame.
		Even if it was a foreign nation that attacked us, people on the left would say this is because the right wasn't hawkish enough.
		People on the right would say this is because the left wasn't serious enough about the threat.
		I think it would become a culture war-ish.
		I think it would become a left-versus-right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		If New York had attacked today, the left would come out and be like, the right wasn't
		taking Russia seriously and we've been screaming and the right would be like, oh screw you, you
		know what you're talking about.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You escalated tensions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you are the ones who are causing the fighting in Ukraine. We're trying to tell
		you to stop. We're not defending you. This is your problem.
		You clean it up.
unidentified		Yeah, true.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I still think, I mean, when it comes to Taiwan, I think the main reason that China wants Taiwan is partly for political gain inside China, to be able to say, like, oh, we've united China, like we meant to for a long time.
		It could be Xi, like all the Chinese presidents for years had their crowning achievement.
		It could be what he's using to, like, You know, uh, leave the- leave with his good legacy.
		But they need the chip fabrication.
		That's the valuable part.
		And that's so easy to- to tamper with, to destroy.
		It can be done with- by Taiwanese people inside the country immediately.
		I don't- I don't- I know Taiwan- or, uh, Ukraine is important for the warm water port for Russia.
		I- I don't know.
		I just- I just- I think Taiwan is- as- as much as I hate to say it, you know, like it- I don't know if people would be willing to go and jump for that war just as much as they would be willing to jump for Ukraine.
		It'd be the same kind of debt stalemate.
		People aren't gonna wanna go do it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think also when you look at the country in 2001, people were all willing to come together and agree that Al-Qaeda was an enemy, that they were a real existential threat.
		Obviously, we all believe that that was misapplied in retrospect when you look at the wars we went to.
		But today, whether you're talking about Russia or you're talking about China, for the most part, the American people have no agreement on who their enemy is, other than to agree that our enemy is one another.
		That's what the American people Believe today.
		That's how we see the country.
		We are each other's enemy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump said that the threat is not China, it's within our own country.
		Yeah.
		Let's jump to the story from the post-millennial.
		We'll talk some domestic politics.
		My friends, we are entering the beginning.
		Of the presidential cycle.
		So you did have a bunch of announcements, we've seen rallies, but oh boy, this is where things start to heat up.
		Especially as we get into the next several months when the primary races are going to get hot because early next year, I believe, is when we're going to see all the primary votes actually happen.
		So the ads are going to start popping up right now and here's the latest.
		Trump currently holds a 39% lead among GOP voters nationwide.
		What I find truly fascinating is the rate at which Vivek Ramaswamy is skyrocketing.
		They say with Trump at 59%, DeSantis at 17, Vivek Ramaswamy is now at number 3 with 8% and rising.
		I'm curious what you guys think.
		I think Trump's got it in the bag.
		I do think, I want to add to this, in terms of the Democratic race, it is fascinating that there even is one.
		There should not be.
		The precedent for this is that Joe Biden as president is just going to run again and there's no primary, but there is a primary.
		And get this, RFK Jr.
		is polling higher comparably with the Democrats than DeSantis is with the Republicans.
		That I find really interesting.
		It's not a one-for-one correlation.
		But DeSantis, as probably the leading Republican politician in the country, like Trump's not in office right now, and there's nobody else who got anything close to him, can't get that close to Trump, RFK is at 20% doing better in the polls as a non-politician, presumably because of how bad Joe Biden is doing, which I find fascinating.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So how are you feeling?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Are you riding with Biden?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		No, but it is interesting, because I feel like there's not that many people that have been, I mean, I don't know when I hear what's I don't even know how to pronounce his name.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ramaswamy?
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		What is what is Trump calling?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he calls him anything.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He hasn't got a name yet.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We think it's going to be Rama Swampy.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		When is Trump going to christen him?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But he's not an establishment guy, so I don't know.
		But I like Vivek, and I think...
		I'm wondering if Vivek ends up in second place in the GOP primary.
		Because the dude, if you've seen these viral clips of him, he is hitting it out of the park.
unidentified		Yeah, he's a sweet talker.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a viral clip where a woman starts yelling about Republicans being evil, and a bunch of people get up and start yelling at her, and he's like, no, no, no, let her come up, let her come up, let her speak, let her speak.
		And he's like, ma'am, I believe in the First Amendment, please say what you had to say, are you a mom?
		He's like, thank you for coming, thank you for sharing your thoughts.
		And the woman's like crying, and then she leaves.
		Viveka knows how to handle this stuff.
		Trump knows how to handle the press in his way.
		Vivek knows how to handle them in a very clean and tactful way.
		So I'll be really interested in seeing what happens as time goes on, because Vivek is starting to pick up.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, one thing I appreciate that's being acknowledged here is that in order for any presidential candidate to really be successful or worthwhile, they have to understand that the media is their enemy and they have to know how to combat them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, Donald Trump doesn't seem to get that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He's his enemy?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he can go on the fake press all day and night, but he keeps giving them interviews and one-on-ones and they secretly record him and then leak it to the government.
		He gets arrested for it.
		Come on!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's funny.
		He knows they're there.
		But I think he also engages with this in such a way that if they air footage of him saying something he wishes they hadn't recorded him saying, he can just use it.
		Exactly.
		And then he can also call the reporter a mean name or something.
		It just ends up being way worse optically for the person who released the audio.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		True, true, fair.
		I'm really interested to see how Vivek handles this stuff.
		Because he's not a politician.
		He's got no record.
		He has ideas.
		I like his ideas.
		I like his attitude.
		He was talking, I saw one video today where he was talking about how he would end the war in Ukraine.
		And I'm like, these are bold and direct statements to make.
		He said he would have like an armistice with Russia where it would divide the country like Korea.
		He would then demand, in exchange for these territories, they cease their military alliance with China because of how big a threat them and China have become, especially with the BRICS nations, etc.
		And I'm like, typically politicians give wishy-washy answers because they don't want to be overtly direct, and Vivek is just coming out and saying it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like, I've said this before, I think that Vivek is nothing but a positive addition.
		I don't think that he has a significant chance of actually being the nominee, but I do think that his position on the debate stage is going to make a lot of people Make commitments and discuss topics that establishment candidates would never touch.
		And I think that's extremely good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What about VP Ramaswamy?
		You think that could happen?
		I think so.
		DeSantis is impossible at this point.
		They hate each other too much.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think he's running.
		I think that's what he's kind of running for is a position.
		I don't feel like Vivek really thinks he can win.
		I feel like he's running for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he can't admit that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		No, no, obviously not.
		No.
		But I think that he's running for, you know, a position in cabinet or maybe VP or something like that.
		But he's running to, you know, raise his star in D.C.
		And I do think that he's got A good argument, and there's good reasons for him to be running, and so I think it's a positive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think a Trump RFK, a Trump-Kennedy ticket, hits it out of the park.
		I think you would see tremendous margins.
		Yeah, with RFK polling 20% on the Democrat side, if Trump was like, I'm gonna give you guys the guy you wanted, He could theoretically poll, let's just say half of that.
		Let's say half of the Democrats polled in favor of RFK.
		That's 10% of Democrat voters voted for Trump.
		Trump wins, no question.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's interesting, right, because I've mentioned some of my issues with RFK in the past.
		That said, he has the Kennedy name.
		He has this unique advantage of having a dynastic name while also being anti-establishment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like that word.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it is.
		He's part of this political family.
		He's a Kennedy.
		He's not just a total outsider in the sense that the American people have no reason to be familiar with him, but he also is an outsider in the ways that are meaningful to the American people.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's got a bunch of dumb tweets.
		Don't get me wrong.
		I mean, he was like, what did he call the NRA terrorists or something?
		Yeah, I like sharing that stuff.
		I'm not bothered by it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look, like I said, I disagree with him on a lot.
		I wouldn't vote for him as a candidate, but that said, he does have this unique advantage.
		I'll acknowledge that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, I might vote in the Democrat primaries and for RFK.
		I like the idea of, I think, an RFK leadership in the Democratic Party.
		forcefully realigns it in a positive way for this country.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think, again, I would agree with that in a sort of cautious way.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Like I said, there's a lot RFK believes in that I think is really bad, but when you look at how awful the Democratic Party is right now, he would absolutely be an improvement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Even if RFK, on a scale of negative to 100, to positive 100, is a negative 10, negative 10's a huge improvement from the current Democrat Party.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree with you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Reluctantly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so, you know, I was talking about Trump in 2020, and I've had these Libertarians be like, but are you really going to vote for the lesser of two evils?
		And I'm like, I don't think Trump's evil.
		I give him a net positive score.
		I mean, the foreign policy was tremendous.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's because the Libertarians' perspective, like, they're expecting you to see things like a Libertarian.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's because it's the archaic view of the two parties.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But Trump was an insurgent who came in with a different perspective.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, also, dude, when people say that to me, it's like, so I should vote for the lesser of three evils and pick your candidate?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't like the Libertarian either.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes I will.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like the Libertarian Party.
		I like the Mises Caucus.
		Where is their announcement?
		Come on, guys.
		What's going on?
		Who's running?
		The Democrats and Republicans are in full swing.
		The Libertarians got to get going.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like the Libertarian Party, but come on.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if they're going to have a candidate.
unidentified		Honestly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because no one's announced.
		It's supposed to be Dave Smith?
		Yeah, exactly.
		There was talk about Dave, but I don't think that Dave's going to do it.
		This is just a vibe.
		I have no inside information or anything.
		But if he was going to announce, I feel like he would have announced already.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree.
		And it wouldn't be this coy if wishy-washy maybe stuff.
		It would be like we're in full swing.
		We'd at the very least be seeing him do more Do more.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because right before everybody announces, they start ramping things up.
		You can see the gears in motion, and we're like, oh, it looks like they're going to announce.
		Like, even Ron DeSantis, they were like, next week it's going to happen.
		Then rumors circulated, then sources say, and then finally he announced.
		We've got nothing from the Libertarians so far.
		But what I was saying about Trump in 2020 is like, you know, look, I'm looking at him, the school choice I'm in favor of.
		I'm looking at his banning the wokeness in government contracting because it violates the Civil Rights Act, agree with that, and foreign policy.
		I thought it was fantastic.
		And so I'm like, I'm not looking at Trump as the lesser of two evils.
		I'm looking at him as like a small net positive.
		No new wars.
		Withdrawal from Afghanistan, Abraham Accords, massively net positive.
		So I'm like, if you were to do the Trump presidential quotient and took all of the different elements of the presidency, there's a lot of different categories where Trump is negative.
		And there's a lot where he's positive that leads us to, on a scale of minus 100 to 100, Trump might be at a 6.
		And I'm like, so I'm not here to praise the man and scream he's the greatest guy who ever lived or God Emperor or anything like that.
		I'm just like, You know, I get enough from it.
		I don't feel like I'm voting for a net negative.
		I feel like the foreign policy stuff was good for us.
		And there are, of course, some negative areas.
		But overall, we got a great economy.
		I can't blame the president for COVID.
		I can criticize him for his policies.
		Lockdown support in the beginning.
		I can criticize him for not firing Fauci.
		But look, I gotta say this.
		At the time, I didn't know better either.
		So it's like, those are slightly net negatives, but overall we had three great years, plus they put weights on his legs.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I look at RFK.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's huge.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		RFK Jr., I see a lot of really great things in terms of calling out the establishment, massive multinational corporations.
		He's got, he's had stupid things in the past I disagree with.
		I disagree with him on some of his takes as of recent.
		Of course, of course.
		But like I was saying, wherever you view him on the scale of negative to positive, he is a dramatic improvement from the Democratic Party.
		So I would be interested in seeing him be the new leader of the Democratic Party.
		That is to say, I don't know how the rules work, where I currently am at.
		Some states require you to be a registered member of the party if you're going to vote in the primaries.
		Some have open primaries.
		I don't like to inject myself.
		I don't consider myself a Democrat.
		I don't want to go to the Democratic Party and vote in a primary.
		I don't do that in Republican primaries.
		However, considering how substantial and important it is, I'll consider voting in the primary for RFK.
		The dramatic improvement over the rest of the Democrats.
		This guy works out!
		I mean, wow, talk about body positivity!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well then, I guess the question for you, right, since you're more... You know that makes you a far-right extremist, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, great, put a far-right extremist in the Democratic Party.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask the far-right Democratic question.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Since you are more moderate, then I guess the question is, what matters to you more, a good Democratic candidate or a good Republican candidate?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Good Democrat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When we're looking at a Democrat and a Republican on the debate stage, imagine the cultural shift that will happen if on strong cultural issues it's RFK versus Trump and they're like, we agree.
unidentified		Right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And we're talking about... I think there's truth in that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because a lot of these people on the left will be like, we hate Trump so much, we're going to agree with RFK, and it's going to force more positive cultural elements onto the debate stage.
		Biden's going to say crackpot crazy stuff to defend leftists and whatever he can get from the media.
		If they're forced into having RFK on the stage, Let me just say this.
		You guys ever see that Rogan episode with RFK where he said he was concerned about potentially being assassinated?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not surprised he said that.
		I'll put it that way.
		He's a stark opposition.
		20% in the polls.
		There's a real opportunity to realign the Democratic Party in a positive way.
		That doesn't mean you have to vote for RFK for president, to be completely honest.
		I would probably love to see a Trump-Kennedy ticket, to be completely honest.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'd be great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that'd be something interesting.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I like the anti-establishment bent on it.
		And whoever is most likely to do significant, or whoever's most likely to do damage to the bureaucracy.
		Cutting jobs, cutting parts of the bureaucracy.
		I'm not talking about, like, small changes.
		I'm talking cut, you know, actual cabinet-level bureaucracy stuff.
		Just get rid of them.
		Anyone that'll do that, I'll vote for.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I would love to talk with RFK and be like, will you commit to firing all of these bureaucrats and setting term limits for government employees?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think he would.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I think so too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do, I do.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		If anyone in the Dems is going to do it, it'll be him.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's the only one.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Literally.
		And everyone else that's run or that is running, they're all going to increase the size of government.
		You know, I'm not a member of the Libertarian Party, but small government is something that is in my opinion extremely important because it allows for different areas to make their own rules.
		The intent of the United States is to have a bunch of different experiments in democracy and to have federal level arguments for most of the things that we fight about is completely pointless and unnecessary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, uh, we're gonna go to Super Chats, and I'm gonna start by reading this one from WeAreChange.
		It says, Joe Exotic for Libertarian President with McAfee VP, let's go.
		Plus, Seamus is a dirty statist.
		So, the first thing is, the implication here is that McAfee is alive.
		And the other question is... He's not.
		Uh, hey, hey, uh, hey Luke!
		How you feeling about DeSantis these days, huh?
		Mr. Luca Cassi comes on the show and goes, I don't like politicians, but man, DeSantis is doing a really great job, he's the best, and I'm really excited about him, and Trump's not good, and Fauci and all that stuff.
		A genuine question, I wonder what Luke's position is on DeSantis now.
		Only because what we've seen is, despite the fact that DeSantis has probably the best track record of any Republican politician in the country, he has not done well in the press.
		His press team has handled things miserably, and unfortunately for DeSantis, what's exacerbating it is his base is incredibly Yeah.
		angry it's like you i'll tweet something in defense of the senate
		still start attacking insulting me
		in fact they're even do it is something in the comments like
		i said i mean what about the gal day and they're still insulting me bro i will
unidentified		not vote for the guy y'all are not so i think that maybe those people should be
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		attacking insulting lucas that attacking you that's a good point to the point
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		uh... i'm interested to see where i was in the schools I'm not going to blame DeSantis for what his bad press team is doing, but I do think it's fair to criticize DeSantis on who he's hired and their inability to properly manage this.
		I think his record speaks for itself.
		If you look at Florida and see how well they've done in terms of what their COVID response was, how they've handled culture war issues, that is something good to vote for.
		The problem is his press team has been apocalyptic and that reflects poorly on him.
		But let's read some Super Chats.
		And I'm curious to see what Luke's stance on this is.
		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, Tim, if we're going to have a nuclear World War III, at least we know we can take down a number one business.
		Our U.S.
		leaders care not about human lives.
		May those who lead go down as hard and as fast as Anheuser M. Imbev.
		F them.
		Also, smash that like button and become a member at TimCast.com because the members-only show will be coming up in about 25 minutes on the front page of TimCast.com.
		Here we go.
		PoliteRudeGuy says, I filed a lawsuit in Texas challenging gay marriage in America.
		Here is the case number.
		I can't read that whole number.
		The federal government is violating my Texas rights.
		Interesting, interesting.
		Actually, you know, I'm going to read this anyway because, uh, Seamus, you want to write this down?
		Based, yeah.
		It is SA23CA08510G.
		I'd be interested into looking that up and seeing what your argument is because that's a tough argument.
		How something someone else does infringes upon your rights.
		Interesting.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It depends on what Obergefell, was it Obergefell?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Obergefell, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Obergefell.
		It depends on what that actually is arguing.
		Because if it's an issue of churches can't discriminate, then the government, you know, it'll be interesting to see what the argument is.
		Here we go.
		Joe Spinella says, per Dr. Peter Zeihan, the dollar isn't going anywhere, and how BRICS is being backed by gold isn't the same way our currency once was.
		BRICS will still go through using the dollar.
		Interesting.
		Well, we'll see how that goes.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard that.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that from him before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Doss Wood says, if you make the like button a child, I bet the Dems would smash it.
		That was brutal.
		Yikes.
		FreelyAshley says, awesome to see Hayley on.
		Love her and her work.
unidentified		Thanks, Ashley.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		BellyFlop has a question for Ian, who's not here, so you'll just have to answer this one.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, Phil.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, last night you mentioned getting aggressive.
		Seemed like you were trying to find the right word.
		I think that word is intense.
		You get intense.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, sometimes I will just think about graphene.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It gets me so angry!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And it'll get me worked up because if other people understood the implications of using graphene and getting carbon out of the air, then, you know, we could really move society along.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		20.
unidentified		20 right there, Ian.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Cheers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		WeAreChange says, he did a really good job in Florida during COVID, but horrible foreign policy.
		So what is that?
		Is Luke changing his tune?
		Is that what's going on?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, he is changed.
		What else did you expect?
		Oh.
		Yeah, yeah.
		Puke, we are strange in the chat.
		Insulting me all show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You stay up all night thinking that one?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What can we expect?
		It took me a while.
		I had to write some material this last week.
		No, it just came to me really effortlessly.
		Because, you know, when Luke's on the show, I'm not spamming the chat the whole time insulting him.
		I guess I have better things to fill my time.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Luke likes to get on the internet and throw some mud.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He does.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll read this.
		William Tresh says, my law firm has a franchise group working with franchisers nationwide if you're interested for Casper.
		I do general business law and can help members form entities for their projects.
		So the challenge we're facing is coffee's up and running.
		The new, the Keurig cups, the new blends are coming out very soon.
		It takes several weeks to launch.
		It took us months to launch in the first place.
		The building we have Historic building.
		Requires a lot of work, and it's taking forever, unfortunately.
		But, uh, we're getting there, and it is what it is.
		Once we have the first location set up, I think we're instantly gonna go for franchises, because that's the fastest way to rapidly expand.
		And I got a feeling we can have, like, ten or twelve stores opened up within, like, six months.
		We can even do, like, investor stuff, where people want to open franchises and have experience.
		Let's say you were, like, a manager for a couple different coffee chains in your area, And you would rather run your own, we could, you know, we could, I should say this very potentially, we would be interested in, if legal and possible, financing someone opening their own set of chains and things like that.
		Because my goal with this is, and I'll tell you this right now guys, first thing I tell you in business, never say what I'm about to say to anyone who you might work with.
		I am not interested in money.
		You say that and all your investors walk out the door and say it was really great meeting you because no one expects to make any money if you don't want to.
		But I don't.
		What I want is a successful business that can survive, that will be able to stay open, that will be able to make enough to pay the bills, pay the employees a good rate, make a little bit on top for a rainy day fund, but function.
		I want a bunch of businesses that can survive and exist and have a positive impact on culture.
		They need to make money to do that.
		But my priority is not to become a billionaire from a coffee chain.
		Don't care about that.
		So when we launch these franchises, I think we're going to have ridiculously favorable terms in terms of revenue.
		And the only thing I'm concerned about is enough off the top so that we can have a fund to help any one of the franchises should they fall in hard times and we can keep them staying open.
		It's all a beautiful pipe dream as of right now until we actually get the ball rolling.
		Perhaps the first thing we should do, we don't even need a location, is start discussing with someone the basic format, style guide, and structure of what a franchise should be, what makes it a franchise, and uh...
		That's where we're at for now.
		We're talking with some people about potentially running this.
		And when that happens, maybe then we'll get the ball rolling.
		Get the ball rolling.
		We will grab some more Super Chats.
		Callan Shaw Indie Game says, just get the Federal Reserve to start printing BRX dollars instead of USD.
		Checkmate.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's called counterfeiting when you do it to someone else's currency.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right, but North Korea does it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, like, yeah, North Korea has, like, a masterful USD printing thing, so they're just making money anyway.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they were the ones who did it.
unidentified		Maybe they were the ones who crashed the dollar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		George M. says post-World War III currency will be chickens and spoons.
		Hey sir, can you break a chicken for a dozen spoons?
		I need exact change.
		In all seriousness, people need not fear being poor.
		Richness of character cannot be bought.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You know what they say, I don't know what currency will be used in World War III, but for World War IV it's going to be chickens and spoons.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Famous quote.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what's fascinating is today, wineberry season is coming to an end.
		So, uh, most of the wineberries have begun to rot and fall off.
		We've harvested a whole bunch.
		We made wineberry cookies.
		We made wineberry candy.
		It's like a chewy candy.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Tastes pretty good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You tried it?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was pretty good.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You forced me to.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		You're like, have some.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I don't want it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're like, have it!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then, you know, I was like, raising my fist.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Then your spoons went missing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cookies were really good.
		We also, today, we made Roberto Junior coffee cookies.
		We used the Roberto Junior coffee.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Those are awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then we, we, uh, I made espresso with it.
		Oh, wow.
		And then used it to make cookies.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're really good.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're really good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, super good.
		Yeah, we made a crispy and a fluffy one.
		But, um, the reason I bring this up, I'm riding, I, I, I come up to the studio Before the show, I ride up on my little electric motorcycle and, yo, there are berries everywhere.
		There's blackberries.
		We got Allegheny blackberry.
		We got another one.
		I forgot what it's called.
		It's another kind of blackberry.
		We've got wine berries everywhere.
		We have... This is the craziest thing.
		There is a tree with probably 5,000 grapes on it.
		I can't, I'm not even exaggerating.
		It's just you look up and they're not big enough to eat yet, and I'm just like, holy crap.
		And there's grapes everywhere.
		I don't know what's up with this property, because the other, Freedomistan, where we're building a bunch of stuff out, ain't no food there at all.
		But we got pawpaw.
		Massive pawpaw.
		There's so much food here, and there's a ridiculous amount of deer and turkey everywhere.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's a ridiculous amount of deer out there.
unidentified		Yeah, like, you'll go outside and there'll be like twelve.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Twelve of them!
		I'm like, dude, worst case scenario, we got too much food.
		Too much!
		Too bountiful.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm gonna bring like a bucket and just go grab a whole bunch for myself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I keep telling people to get the wineberries because they're going bad.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're about to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so we juiced a whole bunch and we're making wineberry syrup.
unidentified		Nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We juiced them and then we took the juice, we added a little bit of water to it so you could drink it.
		It was really good.
		And right now the blackberries are starting to come in.
		Then we have green briar, which I'm not super familiar with, but apparently you can eat.
		Then we have grapes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a vine.
		And look it up, Greg Greenbrier.
		Mulberries are staying for a while.
		My point is this, man.
unidentified		Delicious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about conflict, crisis, lack of food, going poor, the currency and all that stuff.
		Bro, if you learn to actually live the way people were supposed to live, and it's funny because we can take the W.E.F., hippie, dippy, corporate stance of like being in tune with nature or whatever.
		However, whatever you want to call it, I think it's a net positive.
		If people were living outside of cities and responsible for their own consumption and refuse, at least to a small degree, the world would be a better place for one simple reason.
		Teaching people responsibility.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what's lacking.
		People live in these cities and they're like, I'm gonna go downstairs and I'm going to have... Check this out.
		Imagine what it takes to make a modern American dish.
		It's like, I'm gonna have a chicken.
		I'm gonna have some kind of like a Thai chicken with peanuts, shrimp, chicken, pineapple, avocado, cilantro, and I'm like, bro, you basically pull a plant from every different part of the world, ship it all to your city, A tremendous amount of resources and then eat like a king.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A gluttonous one.
		You go to these actual countries where people eat steamed chicken and rice.
		Very, very basic food.
		But it's kind of crazy when you think how, you know, I walked into a supermarket in New York in the dead of winter and there's avocados.
		I'm just like, that's crazy.
		They grew them in Mexico and drove them all the way up here.
		But people don't, they're so spoiled by luxury.
		So I'm just like, one of the best things politically for this country would be if people actually learned to live with nature.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Farming, even if 10% of their food came from themselves, they would take things more seriously.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you think about apples, apples are frozen for a year.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		If you see the one on the shelf today, they've been frozen for one year.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, that can't be.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I've heard.
		I've heard that apples that are put onto a lot of shelves have been in cryo and freeze for quite some time.
		I think it's up to a year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, I mean, but we have apple farms all over the place here.
		There was one for sale.
		Super cool, it's an apple farm.
		Yeah, for sale for like a million dollars.
		And I was just like, if I could own an apple farm, but I can't.
		But you can go fruit picking out here, because they have the farms where they let you come and just take it, and you get like a little thing and you grab the apples off.
		We have apple trees on the property, we have three of them.
		There's too many.
		There's too many apples.
		We got like 30 people who work here.
		We can't get enough apples to feed everybody.
		It's insane.
		Well, for one thing, nobody can eat 12 apples in one day.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't want to.
		Your evening and next day will be bad.
		That is very unadvisable.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You will eat the apples and you will be happy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You will not be happy.
		It's a lot of fiber.
		Don't do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is kind of crazy, though, because we got critters up the wazoo.
		Like, we got bad critters.
		But, uh, I went to, I went to, um, I think it was Stonewall Jackson's headquarters in Virginia.
		I think it was Jackson, I'm not sure.
		And in the kitchen they had a, uh, a smooth-bore musket above the stove.
		And then I was just like, is that decoration?
		What's that for?
		And they're like, nope!
		It's a critter gun.
		The chef would open the back door and wait for a critter, shoot it, and then throw it in the stew.
unidentified		Wow.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Wild.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Could you imagine, like, in your backyard, I see a groundhog.
unidentified		Bang.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		There he goes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dinner's on.
		Like, we consider it to be, like, hillbilly, you know?
		Like, you know, Ma!
unidentified		We got dinner!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's weird that we, like, make fun of people for doing normal things the way they were always done.
		You know what that is?
		That's literally just rich people being snobby and laughing at people who do things normally.
unidentified		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, his food comes from outside.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		From outside.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He gets his own food from nature.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You had to clean that yourself?
unidentified		My.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tops and Bruce says we need an official TimCast spoon in the merch store.
unidentified		It should have Seamus' face on the end too.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Falsely accused Seamus.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Falsely accused Seamus.
unidentified		No way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm buying it now.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You sound insane.
		You've started a movement of other crazy people.
		That's the real cult.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was really funny because when we were like, yo Seamus, do you have our spoons?
		He was like, oh yeah, I'll grab them.
		And it was like, not a big deal.
		And then Seamus walked upstairs and as he's handing us three or four spoons, he was like, an Irish man lives under my house and he keeps stealing my spoons, but no one believes me!
		And then made it a funny joke.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was like, look, no, I told you, you sound insane.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You sound crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No one believes me.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He's trying to make the story sound more rational at this point, but it's still, it's crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're the one that lives under the house.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Who says I live under the house?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Tim says that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Tim says an Irishman stole his spoons.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're Irish!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Ethnically, yeah, but I'm American.
		See the flag behind me?
		What are you talking about?
		Like, I'm ethnically Irish, that's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we'll read some more Super Chats.
		Sparky says, Tim, from year to year the bug population fluctuates severely, so in many years there won't be enough bugs to feed humanity alone.
		I won't be surprised, but I will tell you this.
		One secret technique.
		You put wood boards down in your chicken coop, and then every day, you pick them up and move them.
		And you know what happens?
		There are bugs under them, and the chickens eat all the bugs, and they turn the bugs into eggs.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Into eggs, yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's one of their many talents.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of the funniest.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Among other things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The funniest things about having chickens is how the hens are ravenous and the roosters are chill.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's probably because the hens are, like, they're craving food non-stop because their body makes eggs.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They're always pregnant.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		People that don't have chickens don't realize how many eggs come out of chickens.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like, you get a couple chickens and your fridge is gonna be full of eggs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But so, like, when we do sushi, we take the leftovers, like the raw fish, and we'll just throw it in.
		And the roosters just watch and then look and they stare at it.
		And the hens just go nuts, like, like rugby.
		That's what we call it, rugby.
		And then, like, one will pick one up, and they all chase after it, and they're smashing into each other.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It is crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're insane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ravenous little things.
		We'll grab some more Super Chats.
		Alex Bean says, Timcast rules!
		Future Culture War episode guest ideas.
		Trish from Teacher Therapy, and Joseph Everett from What I've Learned.
		Keep it up.
		Yeah, we want to have that Harry guy.
		Harry Sisson.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Come on, Harry!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But he won't do it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		No, he never will.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's because... I mean, come on.
		He's 20 years old.
		He really doesn't know a whole lot about policy.
		He doesn't know a whole lot about history or politics.
		He's just like a stock model.
		What is his talent agency like?
		We need someone who's young to convince young people to vote Democrat.
		You're hired?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It seems like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's gonna be sheltered.
		It's gonna be controlled.
		There's gonna be no free-form conversation.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when we're like, hey, it's a raw two-hour conversation, it's just like, whoa, whoa, I can't do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think that'll happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will grab some more.
		Eden.
		HiDick says, Tim, YouTuber LowEye86 has a video where Chinese domestic press interviewed their army's CBRN warfare chief, literally saying they're producing and will deploy ethnically targeted biological weapons.
unidentified		Wow.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ethnically targeted.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's wild.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This is only going to affect white people, or this is only going to affect black people.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then it's like, which group too?
		Scottish or English?
		In the United States you have such a mixture of different groups, but yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be mulatto supremacy.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Mulatto.
		I just looked up that apple fact here that I gave about a minute ago.
		It's from the U.S.
		Department of Agriculture's website.
		They say, and a lot of, the average amount of apples being stored up to 14 months.
		So, they often say 9 to 12 months.
		So, yeah, just for everyone that's giving me, trust me bro, in the comments, come on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Camgirl Asuna says, Tim, I want to talk with you all about conflict sometime.
		You think peace is always better than war, and that isn't true.
		It's a huge blind spot of yours that should be addressed.
		Hit me up on the Discord anytime, public or private.
		I understand the concept.
		I mean, if you look at how the world is.
		Conflict is a natural component of life.
		All of it.
		Animals and all life competing and conflicting and eating each other and destroying things and... I get it.
		I get it.
		Maybe there has to be some kind of conflict within humans, otherwise we become hedonistic, lazy, and we have to fall apart.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, there is such a thing as, like, a just war, in the sense that there might be reasons for a country to become involved, but that doesn't mean that we should jump on every single war that the media tells us we need to join or become a part of.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love this, whichever here.
		Demoralize says, Let's see if Tim can go one episode without triggering his DeSantis derangement syndrome.
		If I hear it one more time, I'll unsub.
		What I love about this is that, like, Every episode we do, we've got some kind of criticism of Trump, and not a single Trump supporter's been like, Screw you, Tim!
		You've got Trump derangement syndrome!
		Like, we literally say something like, He hired a bunch of bad people, he wouldn't fire Fauci, he wouldn't... And Trump supporters come on, and they still say, Yeah, well, you know, we get it.
		But, man!
		Point out, like, a couple criticisms of DeSantis, and these people lose their minds!
unidentified		It's crazy, like, I'll unsub if you criticize DeSantis one more time!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Biden's over there.
		Go hang out with them.
		Bro, we're gonna criticize everybody.
		Like, it's remarkable to me how our position has consistently been DeSantis has done a great job in Florida, but his PR team is bad.
		And he's done some bad things that have pissed me off.
		And they're like, well, for that, you have DeSantis Derangement Syndrome.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I wish more of my fans would threaten to unsubscribe when Tim criticizes me with his insane false accusations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If I hear one more accusation about Seamus being Irish, I swear I'll unsub.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Not that, well that is a mean thing to, but when you say the thing about the spoons, where are my people at?
		Where's my audience at?
		Come on, guys.
		You're just letting him get away with it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we can, with every purchase of the Sheamus coffee, a spoon comes with it.
unidentified		Yeah, a scooper spoon.
		A scooper spoon.
		Yes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh my goodness.
		Like a little spoon.
		And then every time someone buys one, she'll be like, oh, another spoon Sheamus took for me.
		I know what you're doing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'll be like, if you received the Sheamus coffee and there's a spoon on it, that spoon's mine.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We're entitled to a recall.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there'll be a little note being like, you may have received this spoon, but it is not your property.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We'll give like golden spoons out instead of golden tickets and they can come on tour.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you receive a golden spoon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I actually don't think we can do that, but... What?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You can't?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Send spoons out the coffee?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What if you do that on accident?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How would you accidentally send a spoon out?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I could figure it out.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Not that I would.
unidentified		If you figure it out, it's by definition no longer an accident.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I solved a logical conundrum.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we'll grab some more here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shane Knox says, we were exporting energy under Trump.
		Do we not have enough oil to mine and sell to BRICS?
		We don't.
unidentified		I do not believe we do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, the exporting under Trump was under very specific context and circumstances.
		All these other countries had shut themselves down.
		And so we ended up with a bunch of oil producers who could not store what they had.
		They had too much.
		So we actually had to just offload as much as possible.
		However, I do believe we have more than enough energy for ourselves, especially with Alaska.
		And we should definitely be working towards that.
		Yeah.
		So theoretically, well, I'll put it this way.
		Theoretically, the answer is yes.
		Based on where we're at right now, we could be exporting.
		However, we want to keep the energy for ourselves, especially if BRICS is expanding.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so at least energy independent would be good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jason Hutchison says, what did we do in Afghanistan for 20 years, but clear it out and make ready for China to move in?
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now they're going after, what is there, lithium?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Good luck.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I wish them luck.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you guys seen that video of all the kids mining the cobalt?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So brutal.
unidentified		It is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These urban liberal types, man, they would break down.
		Their worldview is predicated upon putting on blinders, ignoring the fact that they are colonists, enslavered imperialists masquerading as humble, nice anti-racists.
		But if you go to them, I guarantee you say, hey, We want you to stop using your computer, your iPhones, your cars.
		They're gonna say, well, it's so stupid, you're dumb.
		It's like, I'm not saying it because of capitalism.
		I'm saying because you have slaves making it.
		Stop buying the things that are made by slaves.
		They're gonna be like, no, I refuse.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Zero accountability for anything, ever.
		It's never, ever about any kind of personal change they can affect in their own lives.
		And anytime they do affect, like, a personal change, it always happens to be something which is very economically convenient.
		So they'll say something like, well, I care about climate change, so, like, I'm not gonna have kids when they were already planning to not have kids.
		And you're like, okay, dude, stop.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Noah Yelverton says, Freedom tunes?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		More like free dem spoons.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		Well, I wouldn't need to, because the spoons are already free.
		Tim has them.
		It's nonsense.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Nah, I don't buy it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Yeti says Vivek will likely be VP.
		Why?
		They probably like each other, and more importantly, Trump has zero ammo against this guy.
unidentified		I don't know, I... Trump can literally make up ammo!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but Vivek is really good.
		So Trump will find something.
		But I don't know.
		In 2020, Trump wasn't that strong against Biden.
		You'd think he had so much to go after.
		And people kept saying, well, it's because it's sad to go after Biden.
		That's why they chose him.
		I'm like, I don't know about that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people it's sad to go after that Trump has gone after.
		I think a lot of the people Trump has gone after have been sad people.
		Yes, exactly.
		Jeff is a perfect example.
		Thank you for mentioning it.
		He's like the quintessential example.
		He might even be sadder than Trump.
		Or I'm sorry, than Biden.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it was it was bad.
unidentified		Please clap.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Please clap.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's all we had to do.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's what we'll have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Smile... What does it say?
		Smile... Emily?
		Seamus didn't steal your spoons, Tim.
		He's been framed like a painting.
		Freedom spoons isn't a thing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Freedom spoons.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Did she say who stole the spoons then?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me, sir, that's not how a court of law works.
		I've been exonerated.
		They don't have to give you the real spoon thief.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		My bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Basically, Seamus makes some kind of self-deprecating joke, and then we all roll with it, and then Seamus acts like he's outraged.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No, it hurts me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yo, the story about me watching Leprechauns is a true story.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's not true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was on the couch watching Leprechaun 2, and I think it was 2.
		There's a guy who gets bitten by the leprechauns and starts turning Irish.
		And so he goes to a restaurant and he's like, he orders french fries, waffle fries, mashed potatoes, tater tots.
		He just like, orders all baked potato.
		And then, literally as the scene is happening, Seamus walks in and he's like, hey man, what's up?
		And I'm like, watching the movie.
		He's like, oh, what are you watching?
		And he looks at the screen, and it's a guy turning into an Irishman eating potatoes.
		And he's like, what is this?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's actually, that's not what happened.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Tim was watching this movie.
unidentified		He says, Seamus, Seamus, get in here, get in here.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And I watched and he said, this is what you look like and your people are a joke to me.
		I was like, that's so harsh!
		And then everyone in the room laughed at me and pointed at me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everyone else walked in the room as it was happening and they all started busting out laughing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Shane was like, leave me alone!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I said, I was born here!
unidentified		I was born here!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And they're like, Irishmen!
unidentified		Irishmen!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I was born in Chicago!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But everybody loves potatoes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's a hurtful stereotype.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yo, it is really hilarious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They made that movie where a guy gets bit by the leprechaun and turns Irish.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I know, that's insane.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I love the low-budget movies like this.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think that's either okay to do with every group or no group.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think.
unidentified		Let's grab, uh, we'll grab one more super chat.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, just the Irish?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		says, Shamus, return the spoons to Tim or I'm unsuffing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I would return the spoons if I had them, but the truth is, I don't have them.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't have Tim's spoons.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, James Lynch says, 40 years tonight, bro.
		Congratulations, guys.
		Well, happy birthday!
		I'm assuming you're saying to everybody.
		Alright everybody, it's time for the members-only show.
		If you want to watch it, go to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, and it will be live in just a few minutes on the front page.
		You will see it, just refresh until it pops up.
		You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
		You can follow me personally at TimCast.
		Haley, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		You can just follow me on Twitter at LadyKennington, and there's like a link tree there.
unidentified		You can follow all my other work there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		TimothyCast is a deceiver.
		My name is Seamus Coghlan.
		I am an innocent man.
		I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
		We just uploaded a cartoon today that I think you guys are going to love, and we're going to be uploading one Thursday, which is going to be really spicy, which I think you guys are going to really enjoy.
		If you like me and what I have to say, subscribe to Freedom Tunes and become a member at freedomtunes.com.
		Get an extra cartoon each week, and you'll also be helping support me in what I do.
		Thank you very much, and have a lovely evening.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am Phil Labonte, lead singer for All That Remains.
		You can find me on Twitter, at PhilThatRemains, on Instagram, at PhilThatRemainsOfficial.
		The band is All That Remains on Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube... I think I'm missing one.
		Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube... Pandora!
		There you go.
		Serge, how you doing?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I'm alright, I haven't used Pandora in forever.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I kind of forgot Pandora exists.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We do really well on Pandora.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I was really surprised.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just, I only use Pandora.
unidentified		Yeah?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Huh.
		Well, Iamsurge.com.
		You can find me on Twitter and I guess that new Zuckerberg Twitter or whatever it's called, Threads, stuff like that.
		Yeah, look me up on SoundCloud, look me up on Instagram.
		I will talk to you guys.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Does anybody use Threads anymore?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't.
		I just think it's the, I don't use Twitter anymore because I don't like Elon Musk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, and you know, so I want to say, we will see you all, you shouted out your Twitter already, right?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, at Surge.com, spill it out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Give me a second.
		We're gonna head over to TimCast.com for the members on the show, but I do want to give a shout-out to Nate Silver, who's currently in 47th place in the World Series of Poker.
		Yo, legit.
		That's pretty cool to see his name pop up.
		He was actually in 30-some-odd place.
		There's still a long way to go as they eliminate players, but this is a 10,000 player pool down to 211 players.
		And yo, straight up, Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight is currently in 47th place.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Good for Nate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Good for Nate, good for Nate.
		It would be really cool if he ends up winning the $12 million prize, just because I know who he is.
		But, uh, may not agree on everything, but it is cool to see that, you know, he's doing so well.
		Anyway, we'll see you all over at TimCast.com.

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