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Timcast IRL - Dave Rubin SUSPENDED For Defending Jordan Peterson, Rogan ROASTS Biden w/Legal Bytes
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tim pool
you so Dave Rubin got suspended after Jordan Peterson got
suspended And Dave Rubin got suspended on Twitter for tweeting that Jordan Peterson got suspended.
We are in the silliest version of the censorship nightmare dystopia.
But I mean, it is bad that they took this old tweet.
I say old, but like a week and a half old.
And then this morning I get hit up by Dave and he's like, yo, they suspended me for this.
And then I see that actually he was just like, hey, he has a tweet where he's like Jordan Peterson got suspended.
And they said that broke the rules.
So Timcast reached out to Twitter for comment and Twitter said his tweet violated the rules on hateful conduct.
Here's where it gets crazier.
The tweet was about actor Elliot Page, formerly known as Ellen Page for those that are not familiar.
Ellen Page, as a phrase, was trending on Twitter for 45 minutes.
BuzzFeed flipped out, reached out to Twitter and said, how could you break your own rule?
So Twitter deleted the trend.
We are in, you know, it's not quite Fahrenheit 451 or Brave New World or 1984.
It's something much stupider.
Hey, but at least we're allowed to talk about it on these shows, so we'll talk about that.
And then in the vein of censorship, it's funny.
Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.
Remember when they were like, we're taking all of our music off Spotify because Joe Rogan's a bigot?
Well, all their music's back on Spotify.
Shows how far their convictions went.
I'm telling you guys, if you stand up, speak out, speak out for what you believe in, you'll win.
These people, they're just chasing after money.
They take their money offline, or I'm sorry, they take their music offline because they want cash and they think it's going to benefit them.
When it doesn't, they come crawling back.
So we'll talk about that.
And then speaking of Joe Rogan, he called Joe Biden a dead man in reference to, I guess, Joe Biden not being all that functional and Donald Trump running against him in 2024 and winning.
So we'll get into all that stuff.
We've got a ton of news today, a lot of censorship-based stuff.
So we'll talk all about that.
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Joining us today is Alita Majeka, aka LegalBytes.
unidentified
Got it right.
Alright.
How's it going?
Good.
How are you?
tim pool
I'm great.
unidentified
Who are you?
I'm doing all right.
tim pool
Well, who are you?
unidentified
Who am I?
I am a lawyer.
I run the channel Legal Bites on YouTube.
And yeah, that's who I am.
All right.
tim pool
So we'll talk about the law.
We were arguing over Alec Baldwin before the show.
Maybe that'll come up, too.
Because I'm like, he did it!
And I'm banging on the table.
Guilty!
unidentified
Guilty.
tim pool
We also have Mary Morgan.
mary morgan
Hi, I'm Mary.
I'm the co-host of Pop Culture Crisis.
And I'll be shilling for it all night.
tim pool
That's right.
Because we lost our resident Catholic, Seamus, we just had to pull in Mary.
mary morgan
Here I am.
tim pool
There you go.
And then we got Ian.
ian crossland
Hey everyone, Ian Crossland here of Timcast IRL coming at you live.
What's up?
tim pool
And Lydia's out sick.
I don't know if Chris wants to say what's up.
ian crossland
Yeah, he does.
Is this the camera?
unidentified
Yeah.
Hi.
tim pool
Lydia is sick today.
ian crossland
Who are you?
tim pool
Chris is filling in.
ian crossland
Who are you, Chris?
unidentified
I'm Chris.
mary morgan
I guess he's Chris.
unidentified
That's it.
ian crossland
Give me more.
I like it.
tim pool
He's filling in.
ian crossland
I want more!
tim pool
That's it, I guess.
Alright, let's jump to this first story.
We have this from the post-millennial.
ian crossland
Breaking!
tim pool
Dave Rubin suspended from Twitter after defending Jordan Peterson.
Rubin offered a defense of Jordan Peterson after he was suspended for tweeting about actor Elliot Page using that actor's name prior to Page undergoing gender transition.
So I think that's the real issue that got him suspended.
So Dave, let me just pull up the actual tweet here.
So this is a tweet from Jack Posobiec.
Ruben report has been suspended from Twitter for defending Jordan Peterson.
Ruben tweeted on June 29th.
The insanity continues at Twitter.
Jordan B. Peterson has been suspended for this tweet about Ellen Page.
He just told me he will never delete the tweet paging Elon Musk.
That was hateful conduct that.
That tweet.
He issued a statement saying, I have been suspended by Twitter for posting a screenshot of Jordan Peterson's tweet which got him got he himself suspended.
While it is unclear how I broke their terms of service, it is clear that they are breaking their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders by letting a bunch of woke activists run the company.
I hope Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter goes through so he can blow up their servers and humanity can move past this pervasive, twisted, self-imposed mental institution.
In the meantime, you can find me at reubenreport.locals.com, the platform I created to fight big tech censorship, something we need now more than ever.
It's truly amazing.
I mean, this is the insanity of the world we're living in.
But this work, it's crazy.
Let me jump to this, uh, I think I have this tweet here.
BuzzFeed News said, Elliot Page's dead name appeared as a trending topic on Twitter, violating the site's own policy on hateful conduct.
In a statement to BuzzFeed News, a Twitter spokesperson said it was a mistake and has since been removed.
Okay.
That's it.
ian crossland
I understand, I think some social networks have the term that if you reference a tweet or reference a post that had gotten someone banned, that that reference is also a bannable offense.
And this is to get people, to stop people from retweeting things that had gotten banned because then you're just kind of getting around the ban.
mary morgan
But it's reporting just factually on what happened.
ian crossland
I think that's true.
mary morgan
That's all that Dave Rubin said.
tim pool
But he said Ellen Page.
mary morgan
You can't even acknowledge that Elliot Page used to be known as Ellen Page?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
You certainly can, but there are apparently repercussions.
mary morgan
That seems so arbitrary!
tim pool
Right, you can, they'll just ban you.
Or suspend you.
ian crossland
This is like the most heavy-handed, nonsensical over-administration I've seen from Twitter in a long time.
tim pool
Let them do it.
The more they do stupid-ish like this, the more regular people are gonna be like, what?
ian crossland
Yeah, dude.
Peterson's off the platform.
Jordan Peterson.
Now Dave Rubin's leaving.
I never used Twitter from 2008 to 2020 because I thought it was insane and redundant.
I already have Facebook as my text platform.
I like the hashtag system.
But it's just old tech.
Garbage.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean it is a little scary to see that someone who is just referencing something else happening, someone else getting taken off the platform and talking about it around the context can also be then taken off the platform itself as well.
That is very alarming.
I will say that from looking at Dave Rubin's Initial tweet about it. It did look like I mean you can
look at it from maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate here
But like, you know, he did say he did reference her or reference Elliot page as Ellen page
Without any context of like, you know, like saying that you know, the artist formerly known as as Ellen page or
something like that You know what I mean?
tim pool
Is that okay though?
unidentified
Can we say that?
tim pool
I don't know.
Is that allowed?
unidentified
I don't know.
mary morgan
But that's still compelled speech.
ian crossland
Over the weekend, I was talking to a five-year-old and he was like, hey, stop calling me dude or man.
Just do it once a day and then call me by my name the rest of the time.
I was like, well, there's this thing called compelled speech.
And he was like, what is that?
tim pool
You tell that five-year-old.
ian crossland
Here we go.
Okay.
In the United States, you can ask people to say whatever, but you can't make them say whatever.
We have free speech.
tim pool
Wait, a five-year-old legit said that to you?
ian crossland
He asked me to call him by his name and I was like, well, there's this thing called compelled speech where you can't make me say things, so I'm allowed to call you what I want to call you.
tim pool
You should have been like, for that I'm calling you dingus.
ian crossland
The conversation got derailed before I really was able to illustrate the law.
mary morgan
That's how conversations with five-year-olds usually are.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's important.
tim pool
Okay, then guess I won't call you dude anymore.
ian crossland
There's this like desire, even of children, to control reality by making people do what they want.
Play the game.
I want it to be played.
Call me the name I want to be called.
And like, you're seeing adults do it now.
It's really ridiculous.
tim pool
Are they adults?
I think you hit the nail on the head with a hammer.
These people are children.
I mean, look, there's a subreddit called adulting.
You ever see this?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You know what I'm talking about, Mary?
mary morgan
Just adults complaining about having to do normal adult tasks.
unidentified
Yeah, they're like, I had to pay bills today.
tim pool
And there was one, it's crazy, there was a viral post about adulting.
And it's like 35-year-old millennial dudes being like, oh, I had to walk my dog today.
unidentified
Ooh, adulting.
tim pool
It's like, okay, dude.
But there was one post and it was just like someone doing, it went viral and it was talking about their frustrations with everything wrong with the world.
Like, why do we have to live this way?
Like, why am I dealing with these things?
And it's like, I get it.
I get it.
You never grew up.
You never want to grow up.
You have Peter Pan syndrome, whatever it's called.
You want to just go off to never never land.
You want to hide under the covers?
Fine.
But stop voting.
If you don't want to be in charge, don't be in charge.
You're making everything worse.
ian crossland
This goes to the tribal lifestyle.
Like, what we used to have were, like, a weak person would threaten the tribe's existence.
If someone was severely overweight or just lazy or drugged out all the time, you become a risk for the tribe.
The tribe's going to deal with you.
tim pool
Here's the thing you were mentioning.
Like, Dave did say Ellen Page.
I don't think Dave understands why he wasn't allowed to do that.
I think he was just like, he sees Jordan Peterson's tweet and he goes, whoa, look what he said about Ellen Page, and they're like, ah, you got the name wrong.
Like, how is – the assumption here is that every single person knows about the personal life of Elliot Page.
unidentified
That's crazy.
Yeah, I mean, and to be fair, people have known about Ellen Page much longer than they've known about Elliot Page.
So, I mean, you know, he could very well have made just a very honest, legitimate mistake to say, I thought I was referring to the right individual.
tim pool
I don't think Dave thought twice about it.
I think Dave was just like, I can't believe this happened, and just did a quick tweet.
And that's it.
It's like, oh, you've offended the woke police.
The crazy thing about this, though, is how BuzzFeed complained to Twitter and Twitter took a viral trend down.
For real?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, can I just say my name's not Tim anymore, it's Tom, and then all the Tim Pool trends just have to be deleted?
Confusing everybody?
ian crossland
Technically, I guess.
You could get it legally changed, that'd be funny.
tim pool
Not even- You should, you should do it.
Did Elliot Page legally change their name?
ian crossland
Probably.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I never looked into it.
unidentified
I don't make assumptions.
tim pool
Tons of people who change their names just change it.
They don't go to the courthouse and get it legally done.
Some people would just be like, my new name is, you know, whatever.
unidentified
Prince.
tim pool
Prince!
Or it became a symbol, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I heard that was for legal reasons, though.
unidentified
I don't know that specifically, but I do remember that, I mean, the reason why they said the artist formerly known as Prince is because they were like, we need something to be able to sign legal documents.
You can't just put a symbol down.
Like, you can't do that.
You need to have some kind of a legal name.
So that's why they would refer to him as... Is that under the law, though?
tim pool
Like, you have to have a verbal name?
unidentified
Yeah.
I think also that's also why Elon Musk said that they changed originally what they wanted their son's name to be, him and Grimes, Ash, whatever, whatever.
They said they had like, yeah, but it's like they narrowed it down to Ash or something like that.
But like, so originally he wanted like all kinds of different symbols and things that are not in the English alphabet.
And so I guess the U.S.
government was like, you can't do that.
What?
It's kind of messed up though.
mary morgan
But ultimately there's going to be a name that you verbally call a child.
unidentified
I mean, yeah.
mary morgan
So what was that going to be?
unidentified
Yeah, there has to be something.
mary morgan
It's like Ash Archangel.
unidentified
But okay, hold on.
Something like that.
tim pool
Does it have to be a, like, Germanic vernacular?
unidentified
It has to be the English alphabet.
tim pool
It has to be the English alphabet.
So you could theoretically go like, awawawawawawawawa.
unidentified
Wawawawawa. Right? A-W-W-A-W-A-W-A-W-A-W-A-W-A-W-A-W-A-W-A-W-A-W-A.
Right?
Wawawawawa. Good luck saying that. If you say it wrong, I'll get you banned. If you get one syllable wrong, it's over
tim pool
for you. You are cancelled. And then, actually, my given name was, wawawa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa, and I've changed
unidentified
it to, wawawawawawa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa, and so, if you get it wrong, that's dead naming it. I mean, that's pretty true.
I can tell you as someone with a not very common first name that that would be a murderous name to grow up with.
tim pool
Well, yeah, like I remember I was talking, I was mentioning your issue with it was when when Washington Post came after you.
That's so insane.
And I think I said a light elite.
unidentified
I have no idea.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
tim pool
What am I going to get banned because I couldn't pronounce someone's name?
unidentified
Of course, you are officially henceforth banned.
ian crossland
What was the WaPo situation?
unidentified
That was Taylor Lorenz, how she wrote an article about the supposed influencers that really
won from the Depp v. Heard trial.
tim pool
So – She called you radicalized.
unidentified
In one of her subsequent tweets, yeah, she said – well, to be fair, she referred generally
to radicalized influencers.
And I don't know if she was referring to me and that umbrella guy or if she was referring
to other influencers that were commenting on the whole situation in the series of errors
that were not corrected or if it was like all of us all together.
tim pool
But here's the funny thing.
The gist of the story is you do legal commentary.
You were commenting on the biggest pop culture or one of the biggest court cases in the country.
And so she wrote this hit piece as though you were a grifter just trying to get money or whatever.
And I'm like, it's a lawyer talking about pop culture.
You don't get more mainstream than that.
And then what happens is she writes fake news about you, and then you call her out.
Other people got mad that she wrote fake news.
unidentified
So she's like, you're all radicalized!
tim pool
If you dare correct me, you're all radicalized.
If that's the least of it.
mary morgan
In what ideology?
tim pool
Anti-Taylor-Lorenz, I guess.
unidentified
Is Taylor-Lorenz some kind of Amber Heard stan?
tim pool
Amber Heard wrote for the Washington Post.
mary morgan
That's where the death- Supposedly, or ghost wrote.
tim pool
Right, right, ghost wrote.
But the point is, the article was published in WAPO.
Taylor Lorenz works for WAPO.
So of course, there's a major conflict of interest.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah there is.
mary morgan
They were thinking about taking that down, the op-ed.
But I think they just added a note.
unidentified
I don't recall if they actually ended up adding a note to it, but my assumption was that they were never going to take that down unless they were actually compelled to do so.
That's what I was assuming.
mary morgan
I don't think they should be compelled to take it down.
tim pool
Dude, Taylor Lorenz has been having major meltdowns.
She's losing it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it reminds me of an abused dog when it's more likely to snap out and lash out at people coming up to pet it.
If an animal's been abused, it's more likely to attack someone that comes near it, usually for the most part.
mary morgan
Who did anything to Taylor Lorenz?
ian crossland
Who knows what her childhood was like but for her to see danger all around her is like bro Yeah, so but a lot of rich people are twisted when their kids by bad parents.
tim pool
It's not just that it's that they're there They're snowplow parents clear out all obstacles.
So they never actually experience any hardship.
So then they get older and I feel the slightest snowflake touches their skin and they scream.
ian crossland
I don't want ill for anything, but for her to be seeing radicalization all around her is like, and yeah, there is radicalization going on in reality.
There's fifth dimensional warfare, weird, you know, twisting, but it's, you know, obviously if you see it all around you, then you got to look within because it's your own lens that you're seeing reality through that's making it look a certain color.
tim pool
I saw this viral tweet.
I didn't fact check it, so fact check me on this one.
But someone tweeted, Taylor Lorenz, actually I think it was Viva, so I trust it, that she was like, people are getting sick at VidCon with COVID because VidCon literally did nothing to mitigate COVID.
And then he also posted a tweet from VidCon where it's like, you know, vaccine and negative tests and masks are required or something like that.
I don't know if it had a name.
Like, you know, you need a negative test within three days to come to the event.
So Taylor Renz is literally just making stuff up.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Now look, I don't care about this woman, but the issue is she is wielding the Washington
Post like, you know, what was the name of the sword that he man had?
Whatever.
That one.
ian crossland
She's wielding it like that.
I don't know if it had a name.
unidentified
Was it?
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know.
She's holding up the Washington Post and using it to smack people around and cause damage to other people.
That's the problem.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean... The Power Sword.
ian crossland
It's called the Power Sword.
unidentified
Power Sword.
No, I was going to say that, I mean, the issue that I had with my run-in and with Tug's run-in with her was that it was something that really shouldn't have been an issue.
It should have been just a very simple correction.
To say like, okay, we're correcting it where I said that I reached out to them for comment and no, I didn't reach out to them for comment until after we had published.
But they had several corrections on there where ultimately it said that the final resting place of this laundry list of corrections was that it said that she had not reached out to Tug at all beforehand, but she had reached out to me by Instagram, which is literally the last place that she reached out to me.
After Twitter DM, which was after I called her out on Twitter.
tim pool
This is the crazy thing.
They play this game where they'll be like, we reached out to Ian for comment.
He did not respond.
And then like, what does that mean?
It turns out they sent a letter in the mail.
ian crossland
Yeah, to an old address.
tim pool
To an old address.
Yeah, smoke signal.
Like we did legally for legal purposes.
ian crossland
I yelled his name out into the woods, but there was no response.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
It'd be funny if there was.
unidentified
And the thing is, if I remember correctly, it didn't even say that we had not responded to comment, but that we had declined or that we had essentially refused to comment.
But that would require a response from us.
ian crossland
Maybe instead of saying we reached out, they should start saying they received our request for comment and did not respond.
mary morgan
Because reaching out is different than... If you reach out for comment in the middle of a forest and Yeah.
In the middle of nowhere.
ian crossland
Don't be surprised when you don't hear back.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
But that's the game they play.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I can't remember who it was, but they do this thing where they'll like send a general inquiry to your like info line on your website, which is like a low level.
So, you know, Joe Rogan never responded because they like went to his website and submitted a form to his booking manager who threw it in the trash and didn't know what it was.
unidentified
Info at JoeRogan.com.
tim pool
Yeah, things like that.
They will.
Or they'll like look your name up in the phone book and they'll call it and be like, they didn't comment.
And you're like, bro, there's a bunch of people have the same name as me.
Who are you looking up?
ian crossland
It should say that we were unable to contact.
We were unable to get in touch with someone for contact.
tim pool
But that's also just not true.
Because you have to try.
ian crossland
Or we did not.
That'd be a better way.
We did not get in touch with them for comment.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I, I, what they, what they do with these comments is they're trying to feign credibility.
That's the whole point.
And they want you to seem less credible.
So they'll be like, oh, they never got back to us.
That's their fault.
But here's, here's the thing.
Even if you get back to them, they're going to twist whatever you say.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They're going to mangle it up.
You know, you're going to say something like, uh, look, I'm a legal YouTuber.
I'm commenting on a very publicly, you know, public trial.
And I'm taking my, my, my, my expert opinion, uh, for what it is.
And then they'll write, when they responded, they expressed that it's a very popular trial and it's good for business.
And then when you're like, I didn't say that, they'll be like, well, that's how we assumed it to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then what are you going to do?
unidentified
Or something along the lines of like, this is yet another lawyer profiting off of poor people and their misery.
ian crossland
So should you send a video response as your comment and then put the video response online later when you're like, this is where they got the comment from?
unidentified
Or just a public tweet.
tim pool
But it is better to do a public tweet so that everyone can read it, but they will write whatever they want.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
Right, so I'll tell you this.
Ian, how do you feel about bakery fresh cinnamon buns?
ian crossland
Well, I'm not down with the carbs, but you know it smells good.
tim pool
When asked for comment on bakery fresh cinnamon buns, Ian let out a displeasing grunt.
Seemingly showing dissatisfaction.
ian crossland
Commenting, not pleased dot dot dot.
tim pool
He even wanted to say that there were problems with them.
mary morgan
He said, I'm not into dot dot dot the smell.
tim pool
Exactly.
But imagine that from, so that's actually a good example because people are going to be like, what sane person does not like the smell of bakery fresh cinnamon buns?
unidentified
Ian is insane.
tim pool
Now imagine though, it's something very similar to that, but like political violence or January 6th or something, and you'll say something like, obviously no one's gonna come out and say, I support all of this violence.
And they're gonna be like, he responded with dot dot dot quote, I support all of this violence.
ian crossland
I had this thought over the weekend that whoever controlled in the past, whoever controlled the newspapers, controlled politics.
Like, you could write whatever you wanted and twist the entire world.
Now it's just that with social media.
Like, Twitter took down a hashtag of a trending.
That's not how trending works.
Trending is what's trending.
tim pool
It's really funny the reason they did it, too.
Somebody was like, I don't like that name.
Stop letting people talk about it.
ian crossland
At some point, I think people will be fed up with private corporations controlling politics.
tim pool
Well, let's talk a bit about that.
We have this story from People.
Crosby, Stills, Nash, and not Neil Young.
I don't know.
Crosby, Stills, and Nash Music is back on Spotify months after Joe Rogan boycott.
So the big story was that, you know, Joe Rogan, this compilation went viral and everyone was calling Joe Rogan racist and all that.
He apologized for it.
But all of these people were like, I'm taking my music off of Spotify.
And Crosby, Still, and Nash, as well as Neil Young, they did.
And they're back.
That's it.
They're back.
Actually, Neil Young, I guess half his music stayed on because he didn't own it anyway.
That was actually really funny.
But this is really important.
It shows you the depth of their values.
None.
Shallow.
Not even an inch deep.
They did this because it was major press.
Let me tell you guys.
When I was doing the Occupy Wall Street stuff, I had all of these companies hitting me up being like, we want to give you all these things, we want to hire you, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something happened in the press.
You want to put out your press release and be like, this guy's with us now, so you can get free press off of somebody else not interested.
That's all they did.
These guys, they probably had a manager who was like, guys, guys, now's your chance.
It's big in the news.
It's Joe Rogan.
He's the biggest podcaster.
Come out.
We'll craft some line for you.
We'll take your music down for a couple months.
We'll quietly put it back up.
No one will say anything.
You'll get tons of press.
People will buy tickets to your shows.
That's it.
That's American politics.
Politics is pop culture.
People are losing their minds.
They're throwing bricks at each other's faces because of dumb people like this.
unidentified
I mean, an alternative explanation could be that they just didn't realize that it would have ultimately no impact on whether or not Joe Rogan stayed at Spotify.
mary morgan
Who's making more money for Spotify?
Joe Rogan?
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
Or his full group that nobody's heard of?
tim pool
They're really famous!
They were.
mary morgan
Sure, but I mean, anymore?
How much money are they making off of streams?
Anywhere close to Joe Rogan?
tim pool
That's right.
unidentified
That's the right point.
From the demographics that are actually watching and listening to Spotify.
mary morgan
They realize Spotify didn't care about their over-inflated egos.
They came crawling back and then saying that they're going to give their proceeds to charity for COVID-19 disinformation.
unidentified
To me, that seems like a very soft landing for them to return, to say, well, we're not doing this for ourselves.
We're just doing this for everybody else.
ian crossland
I don't know why they left.
To begin with, Neil Young was the thorn and he probably called Stills, Nash and Crosby and was like, dudes, we got to stop something, something, my politics.
And they're like, well, Neil knows what he's talking about.
All right, Neil, we got your back.
And then they left.
And they're like, what are we doing?
This is ridiculous.
I mean, anybody who left the band anyway.
tim pool
Anybody who knows anything about Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young is that they've always been ardent authoritarians supporting the machine and the government.
This is par for the course for who they represent.
mary morgan
Through their music?
ian crossland
Their song 4 Dead in Ohio about the Kent State shootings.
tim pool
In support of it!
ian crossland
Was all about supporting the shooting.
They love that.
I mean, they're about the most anti-authoritarian band in the 70s.
One of them.
mary morgan
One of the comments on this article was, like, about the fact that they're baby boomers, and baby boomers are all about having the appearance of being, like, freedom-fighting underdogs, but they're actually, like, totally pro-system.
tim pool
I wonder if it's like when you're younger, you just give the middle finger to the previous generation, and then when you're older, you're like, not the next generation.
mary morgan
I think that's something they started.
Right, right, right.
I don't think it was ever like that before.
Didn't the baby boomers start that?
tim pool
I don't think so.
I mean, there's that joke from the Simpsons we like to reference where Abe Simpson is like, I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was.
Now what it is is scary.
You know, you know that bit.
And then he's like, it'll happen to you too.
ian crossland
Radio radicalized the youth of the time.
And then TV, it was the TV generation finally was like, look at what we are.
We can't have men beating women.
That's not normal.
Like we got to fix something about society.
Cause in the TV shows that he's smacking and smacking and they're like, wow, what have we become?
Um, so they were kind of the first generation that was able to- I don't know, I like Sean Connery's.
I like Sean Connery.
And he talks about backhanding women.
There's videos of him, like, in defense of backhanding, you know?
It's crazy.
tim pool
It's funny.
Does he do that?
mary morgan
Yeah!
ian crossland
There's a video of him, like, talking about why it's quality and what's the value of it and all that on YouTube.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
Yeah, it was well after it was, like, decided not cool.
mary morgan
And good on him!
ian crossland
These guys, just because of TV and mass media, this is, like, the mass media generation these days.
tim pool
Wasn't there, like, some singer who would beat his kids with a sack of oranges?
unidentified
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
mary morgan
Why a sack of oranges?
tim pool
Because it hurts you, but the damage is to the flesh of the orange, so it doesn't show marks or something like that.
unidentified
Oh, jeez.
mary morgan
Oh, my gosh.
unidentified
Yeah, it's terrible.
tim pool
That's pretty brutal.
Dude, I think like the silent... What is this, like the silent generation or the lost generation?
The World War II generation, they were brutal.
mary morgan
Were they the greatest generation?
tim pool
No, that was before.
mary morgan
I think when we started naming the generations, that was like when the mistakes started happening.
tim pool
I mean, was it the lost generation?
Is that the last one?
Like the first one we haven't recorded or something?
ian crossland
That's like the late 1800s.
unidentified
1800s.
mary morgan
Yeah, the silent generation.
tim pool
No, that was the silent afterwards.
Yeah.
And then the greatest generation, but there's like, it's like, it's like, there's like overlap because, you know, so.
unidentified
It's hard to define different generations because there's, there's always going to be some, some overlap between them.
tim pool
Because people have kids all the time.
Yeah.
So it's not like every seven years everyone goes into a chamber to have children or something.
unidentified
And there are various social events that will define a generation, that they go through certain experiences, that when you're towards the beginning or towards the end of that generation, you're going to have some blend with the other lifetime experiences as well.
You know, like Millennials have gone through 9-11 and the Great Recession and COVID, but, you know, Generation Z or what have you hasn't gone through some of those earlier things.
Yeah.
So, but there's going to be some blend between the two where the two intersect.
tim pool
I wonder how that's going to affect Gen Z. Obviously, the older generation had, depending on which generation, you had Vietnam and things like that, and the draft, the boomers.
And then with the millennials, you had 9-11.
And so, you know, I don't know how old you are.
You're a woman, so do you mention your age?
unidentified
I have before.
I'm 34.
I can say that.
tim pool
Okay, yeah.
Sometimes, you know, what I always say is... I think I'm 34.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You just ask a woman, are you old enough to her?
If I ask your age, you'll be offended.
And then you can get a general idea.
So we all experienced 9-11, but you didn't, Mary.
mary morgan
No, I was a year old.
unidentified
Right, right.
Holy cow.
tim pool
Yeah, so you didn't.
I wonder how that's going to impact your view of the world relative to everyone else.
Because you're kind of like a nihilistic, Oh, I don't think I'm a nihilist.
mary morgan
Because I'm Catholic, so... Sure, that's true.
But I don't think I represent other people in my generation either.
For that very reason.
tim pool
It's like, is Gen Z going to be more based or more woke?
You know what I mean?
mary morgan
So far, like, I would like to say more based, but really, the reality is we're just more polarized.
So like, more extreme on both ends.
tim pool
Yeah, so when the Millennials are in charge, and then you're going to have Gen Z, Gen Alpha, and then what comes after Alpha?
unidentified
Alpha Gen.
mary morgan
I don't even want to think that far ahead.
unidentified
Beta Gen.
ian crossland
The Betas, dude.
That's when the rise of the Betas.
mary morgan
Gen Alpha is like the tablet babies during COVID who didn't see a human face for three years.
ian crossland
Oh man, oh no.
Alpha Gen.
tim pool
And they can't read like these kids?
mary morgan
They can't talk?
unidentified
They're screwed.
Yup.
tim pool
Yeah, you guys ever see that story about the scientists found a young girl that was raised by wolves or something?
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
And she couldn't learn English.
unidentified
Right.
Because her brain had moved on to a certain level of development where you need to have society in order for your brain, those neurons, to connect.
And if your brain develops beyond that point before they connect, you can't develop the ability to use language.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
She could say, like, grunts.
She could be like, eat!
unidentified
Food!
Wow.
mary morgan
Yeah, I think... Water!
That girl, she was held captive by her father until she was found at 13 or so.
She eventually was able to use language, but she never was ever at a normal level.
She was never able to be independent at all.
tim pool
Like, think about it this way, too.
There are people who are extremely brilliant, but when they, like, they don't speak English.
When they learn English, they can't use English the same way a proficient English speaker would, because their brains have already, like, hardened, right?
So that's why you'll see people who are, like, in their 50s learn English.
You can speak to them, you can communicate, but for some reason they won't say, like, the, or, you know, an, or in, like, you know what I mean?
unidentified
I think it depends on how many languages they've learned before that, though.
tim pool
For sure.
I'm just saying that there are very intelligent people who in their native tongue could explain to you theories of the universe, but in English, you know, say like, me like eat pizza.
Fun.
And you're like, I got the idea.
Say it in your, you know, first language and you're going to be like, the beautiful thing about pizza is when you get the cheese and the sauce and it's all melty and delicious.
But they just don't, they don't speak properly.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
Salvador Dali is a good example of that.
He was like the first artist of the TV generation of like the mass media, as we know it, radio, TV.
And he was Spanish.
You know, I think it's Spanish is his native language.
Barely spoke English, very rough.
And you could tell he's like brilliantly talking about the Fibonacci sequence in his art.
If you've ever seen Dali's art, it's the most surrealist and amazing stuff.
But when he speaks English, it's like, you can barely understand what he's saying.
And people would just sit there and kind of like get bored, which is unfortunate because he was such a genius.
tim pool
I don't know.
I think Americans are some of the most, like, gracious about that because so many people have immigrated here.
I think it depends though.
unidentified
I don't know.
mary morgan
I think Americans are some of the most like gracious about that because so many people have immigrated here
unidentified
I think it depends though. I don't know. I've seen both sides of that
mary morgan
Yeah, I mean, but like try to speak French in France. I They're gonna be mean to you.
tim pool
When I went to Spain, they were mean to me.
And I can actually speak, like, baby-kindergarten level Spanish.
And they would, like, man, I was surprised.
mary morgan
I think in America we at least appreciate that someone is trying.
unidentified
I think it also depends on the size of the country, too, and the level of spread of that language across the world.
If it's a smaller country with a smaller language, or a language that's spoken by fewer people, they definitely will appreciate the effort.
ian crossland
I think there's a through line with Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young with this, because people from that generation, their brains have formed, and now with this new information of the age, it's like, Yeah, they knew that Vietnam was screwed.
They knew that there was maybe false flags.
They knew, but they didn't quite understand the liberal economic order, whatever you want to call it, this world order thing that had been established.
They didn't understand that there was like a multinational corporate attempt at a takeover of the planet.
They just thought like, Righteousness is good.
The American government's bad.
Let's work it out.
mary morgan
I don't understand, then, why do boomers trust authoritarian regimes so easily?
Why do they trust authority so automatically?
ian crossland
They got a lot of value from the American dream, I put in quotes.
They really sucked off the teat of the American just mass printing of money from 1950 to 1990.
They they became so wealthy and safe.
mary morgan
And the worst thing is they think they earned all of it.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
Like it was their hard work.
mary morgan
And then they call Millennials entitled.
Guess what?
ian crossland
We were a colonizing slave state.
mary morgan
They are entitled, but the boomers are like just as entitled, if not more.
tim pool
Boomers are Boomers did a lot of really good things, but I feel like all generations have their good side and their bad side, and it's increasingly getting polarized.
So there are the boomers who are the lazy layabouts with snowplow parents who raised really awful children, and then there's the boomers who made things like Star Trek The Next Generation and, you know, pursued civil liberties, and to this day we still have people, you know, that are boomers that are doing well.
It's just that, you know, I think when we complain, we focus on the bad and ignore the fact that we did get some really awesome stuff.
I would not be here today if there were not good boomers who did something right.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
And the people listening to the show and, you know, like everyone else's parents.
It's just like we're focused on the bad.
So they're good millennials too.
Like obviously we're millennials and, you know, we're doing all right.
unidentified
I think so.
tim pool
And then there are bad millennials who are screaming that like their rent should be free.
mary morgan
But like, what portion are each of those sides?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
I wonder.
unidentified
You need data on that.
tim pool
Yeah, but I genuinely feel like when you look at most social media, millennials are messed up.
Let me see if I can pull up this story.
Let me see if I can try and find a story.
We're gonna jump ahead a little bit and I'll tell you how messed up millennials are.
Here we go.
I got this tweet where I wrote, brain rot.
It is a woman and she's 11.6 million views.
She posts on her TikTok, lost a patient today.
And then she's like, she set up the camera, she's filming herself.
She leans up against the wall, shake it off, you have five more hours.
She's a nurse or whatever, or a doctor.
I don't know, maybe a fancy doctor.
And this right here is, in my opinion, the problem with everything.
It's not just millennials.
It's the younger generation on social media.
They're all doing this.
They are desperate for validation and attention.
And so everything about their lives is fake, made up.
This is very scary, right?
So we saw some tragedies take place in a couple cities, Philadelphia and in Highland Park.
And why does that kind of thing happen?
Well, we often talk about it.
These guys want their name in the news.
They want to be on TV.
They want people to know who they are.
They want to be a part of history.
They're often loners, on antidepressants, things like that.
So it all makes sense.
No one is giving them the time of day.
Humans are social creatures who crave social interaction.
This is on the same wavelength?
Totally opposite ends.
Like, okay, some lady made a fake video where she pretended to mourn, and it's very vapid, and all that stuff.
Fine.
She didn't go out and hurt anybody, so they're very, very different.
But there's a similar thread stitching these things in that people will do whatever it takes to get those likes on social media so that they can feel validated because they don't have the mental fortitude to feel good about themselves on their own.
This is the millennial generation.
Gen Z is very similar.
of these I remember I went to VidCon I think it was like 2016 and there were
these little kids so this is eight years ago this is there six years ago this is
crazy there were a bunch of little kids and as I'm walking past and one goes how
many followers do you have I have 43 and he goes I got 82 you have 82 followers
ian crossland
and I was like those kids are going to be messed up that's where we're going
Gary Vee will tell kids that.
Don't worry about the number of followers you have.
Focus on the quality and having fun and being happy and making things you like.
tim pool
But this video is a perfect example of why the country is imploding.
And it really, really is.
Think about it.
What we see with virtue signaling, the woke people, Ellen Page, you better delete that viral trend because you said the wrong name.
Yo, 99% of people, I guarantee you if you walked down the street in any major city and said, do you know who Elliot Page is, they'd be like, no.
And if you said, do you know who Ellen Page is, they'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, from X-Men.
Like, did you know that it's bigoted to say that name?
They'd be like, I have no idea.
Yet those people would innocently go on Twitter and say something like, big fan of Ellen Page in those movies, she is super cool, and then banned, not allowed.
That's happening because these people are like, I'm gonna get attention.
Here's a really good example.
Do you guys see that?
What's his name?
Griffin Green?
You guys hear about this guy?
You heard about him, right?
Bodega Bro.
mary morgan
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know his real name.
I only knew Bodega Bro.
tim pool
Bodega Bro.
So there's this dude.
This is an amazing story.
He moves to New York for a job and he's this really kind of like...
I don't know what the right word is.
Doofy?
It's like an endearing kind of general ignorance.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
I'm not insulting him.
I'm saying he just didn't understand New York.
mary morgan
It's probably a good thing to be ignorant of New York City.
For sure.
tim pool
But so he's walking around and he's like, I'm trying to find a grocery store in New York.
I can't find anything.
And he's like, Google Maps keeps sending me to these places.
He's like, yo, what's going on?
And it's like, they're making sandwiches.
It's a bodega.
Someone Reported him to his company.
They're like, are you gonna employ this person?
So they fire him.
People get mad at this dude who reported him.
And so then that dude makes a video where he's like, I'm being harassed on the internet.
You have no idea what it feels like when people are coming after you.
And it's like, bro, you just did this.
These people, their brains are putty, it's mush.
They're going on social media and they're like, I'm gonna get attention by tattletaling on someone.
And then it's just a big swarm of people flinging crap at each other.
All for the sake of getting more clicks, getting more attention, to the point where,
yo, someone died.
I don't actually know if someone died, she could be faking it.
But you're going to be wearing your scrubs, frame your camera, get it set up, press record, look back, check your hair, stand back and then go, oh, someone died!
mary morgan
It's the same callousness and indifference to human life.
unidentified
I think really what's happening here, to me anyway, my impression is that we've really just commodified connection, which is something that ultimately we really need.
Like you said, we are social creatures.
All humans need connection, and so as our technology gets more and more advanced, that is supposed to ironically bring us together more and more, we are ironically being sort of forced apart more so, and especially since the pandemic.
So, you know, combine that with the American tendency to, I mean, this is going back to my college days of sociology classes that I took on, like, our American cultural roots of being, cultural roots in Calvinism and Puritans and that kind of stuff, that, like, they would look for signs of being part of the saved, you know, the part of, you know, Yeah, exactly, the elect, reaching salvation and whatnot.
So they would look for signs for that being like, you know, signs of wealth.
It means that you're not spending your money.
It means that you are accumulating your wealth.
It means that you are working very hard, very diligently.
So those were all virtues.
So we just as a culture from our very, very cultural, early historical underpinnings, we have had a long tradition of sort of commodifying Our virtues.
So it makes a lot of sense that in the age of social media, in the age of likes and subscribes and shares, that that's the way that we'll view those virtues of having connection, having a personal connection with other individuals.
And especially like a clip like that, that has a lot of emotion involved in it.
I mean, we're talking about death.
We're talking about grief.
That is a pretty strong, I guess you could say, force for somebody to want to Give some kind of connection to that kind of emotion.
tim pool
I think you're right about the commodification of virtue and all that stuff, but there was a unified message in this country, so that commodification was mostly unified, a single track.
When the Dixie Chicks, I think it was, do you know who the Dixie Chicks are?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You do?
Okay.
When they came out, I think they criticized the war, right?
That's what happened?
ian crossland
Yeah, the war in Iraq.
tim pool
George W. Bush.
And then it was a bad thing, you can't do that.
unidentified
They got canceled.
tim pool
They got canceled.
Now they're just called... They had to go by the chicks.
Yeah, now they're just the chicks.
mary morgan
And then we were joking, me and Brett were joking, that you can't call women chicks anymore, so they're just gonna be the... You can't.
tim pool
It's offensive.
But back then, even though most... You had Democrats and Republicans, and you had a big anti-war movement, the mainstream narrative was, Don't rag on the soldiers, or criticism of the war was criticism of the soldiers.
Something happened, and I think it has a lot to do with the internet, where a divergent culture emerged.
We split, and two markets developed.
You had a market for angst and wokeness, and you had a market for opposing it, free speech, liberty, freedom, all that stuff, kind of where we ended up.
And then that market split.
It probably could have been stopped if in the late 2000s, Someone came out and was like, yo, yo, yo, yo, we are hard-forking here as an American culture.
But no one did anything.
So American culture forked.
And I think it has a lot to do with, in cities, with the internet, messaging spread so rapidly that the left dramatically changed their position faster than the right could keep in line with it.
There's a good example, I can maybe pull up in a second, from the New York Times, where it shows, in 2008, the left veers off like that and the right just keeps going.
When that happened, you end up with tens of millions of people, all with money, creating a massive market opportunity for woke virtue signaling.
That will never stop.
So at this point, I would say, you know, I was wondering, like, how do we stop the country from collapsing?
Like, what are the real solutions?
And I don't want to say it's blackmail to think this, I think it's more realism.
You can't, and the reason is, there is money to be made if you are woke.
You could disincentivize money and focus more on goods and services.
I think that's something that could keep us together.
necessitate the expansion of messaging in favor of these two massive groups.
ian crossland
You could disincentivize money and focus more on goods and services.
I think that's something that could keep us together.
How do we get the grain from Kansas around the country so we can all eat?
unidentified
And I mean, there's also the possibility that people get oversaturated by it and people
get tired of it.
And then eventually they want to find something that is a little bit more moderated.
ian crossland
I just watched a documentary on BuzzFeed yesterday, I think it was yesterday or the day before, and how they were really leading, spearheading this, what you were calling a commodification of hate or whatever.
But like 2012, 13, it's like identity politics.
They'd be like, 25 things that black people can identify with.
Twelve things that women really want.
Eighteen things a gay man can get down with, and you're like, all of a sudden, it's getting, then it's like a black gay man, and then it's hate gets involved, like, four things that you just, women just can't stand.
And then the Boston bombing, people are profiting off of the news.
Anyway, I could go on about this.
tim pool
I want to break that down.
I want to show this real quick, and then explain what Ian's saying.
So this is what happened to the political center from the New York Times, and you can see in 2008, The left, the Democratic Party.
Look at that chart.
Just look at that.
The blue line shooting super far left.
You see where it says median party?
That's the median party of Europe.
So the United States, for some reason, in eight years, became left of center for European political parties, which are already relatively far left.
Now, of course, the left will look at that and say, oh, see, we're only center left.
The Republican Party's far right.
And it's like, no, no, no, that's American culture.
You can disagree with it, but this shows the left went far left relative to where Americans are.
And I'll tell you how it happened.
As Ian was pointing out, BuzzFeed was creating articles where it was like about black people, about gay people.
Those were buzzwords.
The algorithm would latch onto words and then pump them out.
And what happens, I remember this, man.
You guys probably remember this too.
I don't know if you remember this.
All the police brutality videos, all, that's all Facebook was.
It was like you'd go on Facebook and it was just endless videos of police brutality, rap songs about police brutality.
That's all it was.
So what happens is you get companies like BuzzFeed where they're like, Hey, we got a million clicks on that police brutality video.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Well, because people don't like injustice.
Then they were like, Hey, I made an article that was talking about police brutality and racism.
It got twice as many views.
So they start cramming all the different keywords as possible into as many articles as possible, and then you get intersectional feminism.
ian crossland
And then they'll be like, hey, there's no racist, violent things that happened today.
What's our next article going to be?
It's not that they're going out there and creating the racist violence, necessarily, but there is an incentive to see more racist violence.
And you will literally, as someone that does that stuff, hope for something like that to happen so that you can make a lot of money off it.
tim pool
So here's the fight.
Here's the political battle.
Can you pull this back up, the New York Times thing?
If you are in the middle of the road from 2000, let's say you weren't a Democrat, you weren't a Republican, you were a moderate, you're in between.
You likely did not get pulled far left along with the Democratic Party.
You probably floated somewhere in the middle like this, like me.
Maybe to a certain extent, a bit like Ian or a bit like Joe Rogan or Elon Musk.
So now, if you were in the middle, the Republican Party, well, they're kind of right wing compared to where I am, but the left, I can't even see where they're at.
So this is what happens.
There was a tweet from Libby Emmons about how the Democrats went so pro-abortion that a lot of people just were like, like Democrats were like, yo, I'm out and they lost the fight.
They had no support anymore.
And then I see this on Twitter, the commodification of virtue.
The centrists are just far right.
The center has moved far right.
The moderates are being radicalized.
And I'm just like, if you are in the Democratic Party and you veered that far left, you don't think you moved.
You're the same normal person you've always been.
ian crossland
It's like if you go underwater and then you look up at people on the surface, you're like, everyone's blurry now.
tim pool
Exactly.
ian crossland
But like, dude, that's because get out of the water and everyone's still normal, man.
tim pool
So here's the issue, though.
These people, They built a following.
They've got millions of followers.
They can't just stop.
CNN.
They used to be, they used to cover the news.
Now it's just Orange Man bad all day, every day, January 6th and whatever they can milk out of it.
If CNN comes out now and says, we're going to go back to reporting the news, no one will watch them because they'll lose the zealot fans they got.
And they already lost the news fans.
They, well, they lost them a long time ago.
So they have no choice.
It's an addiction and they've done it to themselves.
unidentified
Yeah, I was just thinking that I think that an important factor in that is the actual emotional addiction, or maybe not emotional, but the addiction that some people actually have to these emotions that they feel with regard to these various stories.
Oh, right.
The whistleblower?
What's her face?
She testified in front of Congress about Facebook.
This was, I don't know how many months ago.
She was a former, she was supposed to be working on their election.
Oh right, the whistleblower?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Facebook whistleblower.
Quote on quote.
But she was talking about that, how she had said that there was some kind of studies.
I'm really reaching back without having looked at this after months, but she was saying that that was one of the big issues is that Is that people were actually showing signs of addiction to rage.
And so it's like how do you get somebody off of that sort of a substance when it's everywhere and there's every incentive for them to continue profiting off of it?
tim pool
Well, so there are... Dave Rubin's got this, Joe Rogan's got this, I've obviously got this.
There are people who take clips out of context on purpose because they know there's a market for tribal rage.
So we try to have people on the left on the show, and we've had a few, but...
I would say the overwhelming majority of them won't come on.
They'll cancel, they'll refuse, or they'll use it to rally their base because their virtues ignores.
So there's one guy in particular who's like, oh, come on, and then when we actually were like, okay, sure, he privately says I'm not actually doing it, then goes to his fans and blames me for not allowing it, and now uses that to rile them up and say, see?
See what I told you?
And it's crazy because I'm like, yo, we genuinely tried.
to have some of these people on and they legit spit on us and laughed and said, now we're going
to make money off you. Then they go to their base and say, there were the actual bad guys.
So this is the crazy thing. We are trying to get those people out of the cult.
They think we're in the cult.
But these are the people who believed Jussie Smollett.
These are the people who believed Russiagate.
These are the people who believed Hands Up, Don't Shoot.
These are the people who believed the Covington Kids story.
These are the people who believed Ukrainegate.
These are the people who believed the Very Fine People hoax.
These are the people who never once stopped to actually check the evidence themselves.
And there are many of them.
And they have money.
And their money is easily parted from them by these people.
That is the big challenge.
And so long as there are these prominent left-wing personalities who will pander to them, there's going to be a division that is moving us towards catastrophe.
But, that being said, this next story is a bit more of good news.
From the Washington Examiner, Joe Rogan will never have Trump on podcast, not interested in helping him.
Now, That isn't the story I'm actually pointing out.
You have to dig a little deeper to see what the big story is, and it's where Joe Rogan says Trump is running against a dead man.
That's the important point.
Joe Rogan has praised Ron DeSantis, saying he'd be a good president.
He doesn't want to help Trump.
But if the regular person, if Joe Rogan is the barometer for UFC commentator, mainstream comedian, I'd be willing to bet Joe Rogan is where most Americans probably are.
And they are not far left.
They are tired of the woke stuff.
They don't like Donald Trump.
Ron DeSantis would probably be alright.
That's good news.
It means that cult may have been breaking itself so far off from the mainstream America that eventually they're going to lose money, run out, and then they're not going to be a part of the economy anymore.
And when that market dries up, people start walking away.
I have to imagine with Joe Rogan being who he is for the past several years saying what he said, a lot of regular people are moving away from that stuff.
They're getting out of it.
So he's not threatening Joe Biden by calling him a dead man, but he's basically pointing out that Joe's not going to win.
He can't win.
Right.
unidentified
I think Joe's been saying that for a while, though, hasn't he?
tim pool
Rogan?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
About Biden.
tim pool
Oh, no, no, for sure, for sure.
I just mean, like, here's the latest context around it.
mary morgan
So does he mean, I'm not interested in helping Trump because Trump doesn't need any help at this point?
He has no competition.
tim pool
He's saying he doesn't.
I think Joe says, I'm not a Trump supporter.
I'm not going to help him out.
I'm not going to have him on the show.
Now that says to me, Joe Rogan's taking a hard political stance.
Because for me, as you know, like as a host of a show, I actually don't care about helping someone or hurting someone.
That's ridiculous.
You know, no offense to Joe.
My attitude is if we're going to have a conversation and talk about these things and we need to, well, maybe it'll help you or not.
But it's interesting what Joe's saying right there.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Trump goes on his show, it will help Trump.
What does that mean?
It means that Trump is more correct that Trump will expose the media's lies and that will
help him.
Obviously it'll give him exposure, but if Trump was wrong about everything going on
his show would expose him, right?
It would hurt him, wouldn't it?
ian crossland
Right?
Yeah, that makes sense.
Joe logically checks out.
tim pool
Joe thinks Trump is right to a certain degree.
Maybe not in everything.
Maybe he doesn't think he's a good person.
But he thinks enough that if Trump were to come on his show, it would benefit him.
mary morgan
Or at the very least, he just thinks that Trump is a very convincing person.
tim pool
Maybe.
But I think the reality is, Joe knows that, that Rogan knows Biden is out of it.
And that people elected a guy who was burning this country to the ground because they hate Trump.
Trump will come on.
Trump will say, remember 2019?
Remember this policy?
Remember when I did this?
And people are gonna be like, that's true.
And there is a reality to what Donald Trump was doing when he was president that, man, he had a potty mouth.
He was not a nice guy in a lot of ways.
He's a nice guy in a lot of ways, but not a nice guy in a lot of ways, you know?
And I think if people start hearing what Trump has to say on a platform like that, it will greatly help Trump, not because he's just convincing, but because he's right.
ian crossland
It would help Trump in general to have more public showings.
I haven't even seen him talk in, like, I think I saw one interview with him in the last two years.
I'm kind of with Joe on this in that I think about having Donald on this podcast because it would, one, it would be great for the podcast.
It would have huge numbers.
Two, you know, whatever.
It's a political candidate.
tim pool
And that's all that matters.
Feeding fodder to the base, right?
ian crossland
Part of me is like, wow, the profitability of selling out, wow.
But I don't, never really, I mean, Trump's just, he's like divisive.
I don't know, I don't hate him, but I'd have Biden on the show, too.
It's not like I hate the guy.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
You'd have them both on?
ian crossland
Yeah, because of the political prowess, because they have been the president of the United States.
unidentified
Well, you could have some interesting conversations with either one.
tim pool
I would love to have Biden on this show.
It'd be great.
I would rather have Biden than Trump, you know, because I just, so Burisma, Viktor Shokin, Mykola Zaychevsky, let's talk Ukraine, buddy.
ian crossland
You'd be like, I gotta go.
tim pool
Yeah, he'd be like, I'm leaving.
With Trump, I'd say stuff like, I disagree with your fraud narrative.
I'd ask him questions.
But Trump's issue is that they call him a liar all the time.
And I'm like, maybe he's just wrong.
Trump lies about dumb ego stuff, like how big and famous he is and things like that.
I don't care about that.
ian crossland
He makes big promises, too, with, I think, no idea of how to follow through.
Like, I'm going to drain the swamp.
What did that even mean?
Did he even have an idea of what that meant?
Because he didn't fire a lot of people.
unidentified
There was an actual pool outside the White House that he was actually going to drain.
ian crossland
So we're still waiting on that?
tim pool
I kept my promise and I did do a swap by the way.
unidentified
You can go swimming now.
tim pool
I can ask Trump.
So like the things I could criticize Trump over is like the State Department was advertising Trump properties in the UK.
That's not okay.
Trump tried using Doral in Florida for I think it was the G7.
That's not okay.
Trump eventually rescinded that and said, okay, I won't do it.
I thought I was going to save him money.
And I'm like, it's a conflict of interest.
But he was pulling our troops out of the Middle East.
Like the one thing you can really get him for is like, You're kind of a dick to a lot of people and people didn't
like that, but so was Joe Biden.
Joe Biden launched his campaign off the very fine people hoax.
It was a hoax. That's the craziest thing. His campaign video was that Donald Trump praised
white nationalists, which never happened.
He made it up to make people hate. That is psychotic.
ian crossland
I think that, I think they're both kind of, kind of a dick.
Like, um, Biden was really mean to that, that guy who was asking him about something.
tim pool
Like the gun control guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And he just like lashed out.
mary morgan
He lashes out at people a lot, but maybe it's just because he's senility.
ian crossland
That could be part of it.
Well, he's done it for years, I remember.
mary morgan
He points his finger in people's face.
So aggressive.
ian crossland
If he was doing it in private, okay, maybe then I would question.
But he did it in public on TV, right in front of the world.
mary morgan
Which is what makes him seem senile.
Do you know that people are watching you act crazy right now?
Well, it's like, uh... And the way he puts his finger in people's faces, like, you're asking for it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's really aggressive.
Like the kind of guy that'll grab your arm really tight till it hurts?
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
I was gonna say the way he puts his hands on women's shoulders and sniffs their heads is a bit worse than the finger.
unidentified
Not women!
mary morgan
Children!
tim pool
Well, children as well, yes.
What a creepy, awful man.
You know, look, Donald Trump, locker room talk, all those nasty things, I'm not a fan of any of it.
And there's a lot of people who really love Trump for who he is.
His Dior supporters, they're like, we're glad there's a guy in there who's gonna tell people.
And I've laughed.
I understand what funny is.
When he called Stormy horseface, when he said, only Rosie O'Donnell, you know, when he called, who'd he call?
He called someone a fat pig.
I don't know.
unidentified
I think so, yeah.
Something along those lines, I think.
tim pool
Entertaining, funny, celebrity drama.
Me personally, I'm like, maybe not in the White House.
ian crossland
Yeah, definitely not in the White House.
tim pool
I know, it happens.
ian crossland
We need lawyers in the White House, and legal analysts, and scientists, and things like that.
tim pool
Lawyers.
ian crossland
Like Obama, one of his.
unidentified
Too many lawyers.
tim pool
How many?
unidentified
One of his.
tim pool
Isn't every single lawyer joke about them being in hell?
I thought Obama's.
ian crossland
Obama was a constitutional lawyer, I believe, and that was valuable, you know?
He wasn't an idiot when it came to constitutional law.
He knew what to circumvent to get things done, that's for sure.
tim pool
And I remember when he said, if you're like me, I will know all the legal loopholes for blown-up kids.
Too many of them.
ian crossland
But we do need people to understand the Constitution in the White House, that respect the Constitution, I think.
Constitutionalists, maybe, is a better phrase than lawyers.
tim pool
I think Trump is what you get when the people are neglected for too long.
And I went to these Trump rallies and there are so many people who are like, I've never voted before, but I'm voting for this man because he's finally sticking it to the machine.
The Republicans and Democrats were snooty elites who thought they were better than everyone else and that needed to change.
So now you've got the Trump populists, the left populists hate the Democrats and hate the Republicans, but support the Democrats because they hate the Republicans more, which is dumb.
But the whole thing is just kind of gonna, it's falling apart.
I actually think Ron DeSantis could probably save the country, but I don't know if he'll actually reform it to the degree it needs to be reformed.
He would just stop it from imploding.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
He does seem to have the same sort of ability to make Trump-like changes, but without his tweets.
tim pool
But I don't think he'd go as far as we need him to.
I also, fair point, you know, Ian brought this up.
I don't know if Trump would drain the swamp either.
He didn't do it the first time.
He brought more swamp monsters and he got rid of some of them, but brought more in.
Maybe he was getting jammed up by the Russiagate stuff and he couldn't do it.
He might win re-election and then say, okay, now I've got one more term.
I don't have to worry about the swamp, so I'm going to ignore it.
You know, yeah.
And if he doesn't go in there and fire everybody, then what's the point?
Then Ron DeSantis, I think, would do better.
ian crossland
I mean, I think you were right about his foreign policy stuff, because he was trying to stop the war, a lot of the war in the Middle East, you know, maybe heavy handedly, like moving the Israeli, what was it?
What did he move to Jerusalem?
He moved the embassy, which is basically saying, hey, Palestinians, F you.
You know, it's basically like picking a side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by putting it in Jerusalem and saying like, this is an Israeli embassy in Jerusalem, which is supposed to be split between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
So that was like some kind of brute force ignorance, I think, politically.
tim pool
Oh, the conservatives loved it.
Of course.
ian crossland
Half of the people loved it.
The other half of people are like, what the heck?
tim pool
One of the things Joe Rogan brought up in this interview with Lex Friedman, that's where the quotes come from, is that there were people who abandoned all principle and logic to attack Trump and his supporters because he was a threat to democracy or something.
It was legitimately insane the way they lied about Trump all day, every day.
And there was a meme among centrists, stop making me defend Trump.
It was people who are like, I don't like him either, but yo, that's not true.
There's a really funny skit someone did and they were like, why are you saying that?
Are you a Trump supporter?
No, it just, that didn't happen.
They were like, you support Trump.
It's like, okay, dude, I don't know how we're supposed to survive as a country.
If you can't even just be like, this is what's true.
This is what's not true.
Nobody wanted journalism.
They wanted confirmation bias.
And that was the cult.
unidentified
Well, I think one place where I've started to see a change is in my corner of YouTube, which is live streaming trials.
Starting with the Rittenhouse trial, that was the first eye-opener for a lot of people to say, oh, the media is lying to me about everything that happened in Kenosha that night.
And then more recently, but those were people that were of a particular political demographic, more people on the right.
Now we have the Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard trial, where people are saying the same thing, but they span the entire political spectrum.
I mean, I have people that are literal socialists that are saying, the media is lying to us about this.
What else are they lying to us about?
tim pool
Good.
unidentified
So if you're looking for a potential ground for change on social media or on the Internet in generally, that could be one of those places.
Yeah, the mega corporate Internet media or the mega corporate media apparatus is It's just the fact that the reporting on these trials is just so different, and when people have the ability to actually watch them for themselves and to evaluate the evidence, evaluate the arguments that are put in front of them, and to understand the law that's actually at play, they're able to come to their own conclusions.
And this is, I think, one of the reasons why channels like mine, like Rikada Law, like Viva Frye, Emily D. Baker, a bunch of other people in LawTube, like we like to call it.
The reason why these channels are growing is because we're giving people the ability to make their own conclusions using the evidence and just sort of acting as almost like law sherpas to guide them through the process.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think schooling is kind of obtuse in a lot of ways.
They make people go to medical school for 12 years or something to learn how to do something that you could really learn how to do, regardless of the amount of time it's going to take you.
You could learn how to do it.
Same with law.
If you can learn the info, why do you have to spend $600,000 in 11 years or whatever, 8 years?
So you guys are kind of teaching the information without the badge.
unidentified
And the process too.
Like that actually is the part that I think is more confounding to most people.
It's not so much the actual information, but the legal process.
Like what is trial actually like?
What is litigation actually like?
Because, you know, well everybody comes in contact with the law regardless of whether they're in litigation
at some point in their lives or not, but most people will come in contact
with a legal process at some point as well.
Whether that's criminal law or litigation, like civil litigation or probate.
You know, somebody's parent dies and they have to administer a trust or a will or something like that.
And automatically, I mean, part of it is the expense, but automatically there's a lot of fear for most people.
So, you know, if you can help people understand the process, that they are about to enter into, it eliminates a lot of fear.
Like, I had somebody on Twitter that tweeted at me and several others saying, I am a DV survivor.
I'm supposed to testify against my abuser, you know, next week or next month or something like that.
And now after having watched the Dept v. Heard trial with all of you guys, I have way less fear about what to expect because I understand the process now.
tim pool
Did you see the journalists during the Depp and Hurd thing where they were like, I can't remember who it was, but they said, the court actually claimed that there was malice?
Look at what Johnny Depp did to her!
And it's like, they have no idea what they're talking about.
They don't look at the legal filings or the language and say, what does that mean?
They say, I know what it means, I don't need assistance.
And malice, legally, does not mean the same thing as malice colloquially.
unidentified
Right.
And actual malice, specifically.
tim pool
Actual malice.
Yeah.
So these journalists are writing nonsense.
And they're like, the court actually claimed there was malice, despite Johnny Depp having been accused of doing X, Y, and Z. And it's like, that has nothing to do with what the court's saying.
The court's saying she knew what she was saying.
Either she knew what she was saying was wrong, or it was reckless disregard for the truth.
That's it, right?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
When Roe v. Wade dropped, you know what I did?
I was like, whoa, I better call a lawyer.
It's crazy.
I think that the big difference between the corporate press today and whatever this show is and whatever your show is, is that we're very much like, hey, we're probably wrong.
Let's ask experts and see what they have to say about this.
Journalism.
Now mainstream corporations are like, we know, because we're smart and you're dumb.
ian crossland
It's a very scientific method form of journalism.
Assume that you're wrong until you can replicate it and figure out what exactly it is.
It should be done, I think.
tim pool
Should be, but isn't.
So now we... I mean, I guess, going back six, seven years, trust in the press has been at all-time lows.
So, good, fine.
But they're still getting tons of money, they're still controlling the news cycle, they're still manipulating the narrative, and we gotta change that, take it over.
I've been thinking about this, and the interesting thing is, Millennials are going to take over soon.
You've got boomers are starting to retire out.
Gen Xers are taking the reins.
However, for some reason, Gen X is just ignored.
Have you noticed this?
There's never a part of the conversation.
Millennials are going to start inheriting these machines.
And you look at people like Taylor Lorenz.
Yeah, she's a millennial.
Is she?
unidentified
I'm sorry, I don't mean that as a joke.
I mean that actually because I know that there's a lot about her age, and I'm just genuinely confused.
She's a millennial.
Okay.
tim pool
Well, to the best of our understanding.
ian crossland
I think she lied about her age once as a joke, and now it's got everyone twisted and confused.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Bill Maher, in referencing the Washington Post fighting with Felicia Sonmez, said, this is why, millennials, we don't want you to take over, because you're a bunch of whiny, entitled brats.
And the Felicia Sonmez thing was hilarious.
Did you see that one?
ian crossland
You guys know this?
unidentified
Yeah, it was happening around the same time.
tim pool
Dave Weigel, their star reporter, or a star reporter, retweeted a joke where it said, the joke was, every woman is bi, you just have to figure out if it's polar or sexual.
And so, he retweeted that, she complained, he got suspended without pay, she would not stop attacking the company, she gets fired.
Bill Maher was like, this is the problem with Millennials.
Well, it's the problem with the Millennials at the institutions.
I'll tell you this.
The Millennials, who aren't there, have started companies.
They're becoming successful.
They're working in separate industries.
And the problem is that Bill Maher missed this.
He's like, Millennials, oh, look at them at the Washington Post.
Yeah, we don't associate with them either, and we're Millennials.
We're starting our own businesses, we're starting our own channels, we're starting our own websites, we're building up our own subscription bases.
The people who can't do that are begging the Washington Post for a job, and then crying all day until they're fired.
See the difference?
So the Washington Post will probably crumble under the girth of its entitlement from millennials, and then the Daily Wire, Timcast, Legal Bytes, Viva Frye, all of these channels are going to start growing, hiring people, expanding, or remaining as independent personalities who can fund themselves.
ian crossland
As you were saying that I was thinking of, I think it's less about what generation you were born in and more about your state of mind.
There are a lot of independent creators that span age 80 to age 11 or age 17, but that people that are born more recently have been born more in a nanny state.
Um, basically it's like a technocracy that they're trying to build where it's like a spy state.
And so they have this appeal to authority where they, maybe they're, you may be more likely to appeal to authority or may find yourself around people that are more likely to.
Not that it, not that you're bound by your generation to behave a certain way, but it's just the nature of the gradient has been shifting.
tim pool
I think right now, if you want to be rich, it's simple.
Make not woke content.
That's it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And a platform you can do it on, I suppose.
So if you start a Rumble channel, do comedy.
That's it.
So much comedy is just really, really awful.
I think Rogan was also talking about this, that woke comics are just really bad.
Maybe it wasn't Rogan.
Probably Rogan.
unidentified
I feel like I've heard him say something along those lines before.
mary morgan
I don't know if anti-woke comics are that much better.
tim pool
Uh, but look, if your comic is obsessed with wokeness, that's their whole bit.
Maybe.
mary morgan
Yeah, but, I mean, being anti-woke is, like, such an obsession, too, now.
tim pool
But I'm not saying, um... Like, woke comics aren't always joking about race.
And white supremacy, they're avoiding these subjects.
So there was one video I watched where it was a woke comic and he was mocking himself.
And I'm like, it's just not funny.
I mean, I guess Rodney Dangerfield, self-deprecating humor and all that stuff can work.
But then you watch people anti-woke.
I don't mean they're comics who are literally attacking woke people.
I mean, Ryan Long, for instance, he's anti-woke.
Not that he comes out every bit and just makes fun of wokeness,
but that he's willing to tell offensive jokes that don't fall in line with wokeness.
You know what I mean?
mary morgan
Would you say Dave Chappelle and like Ricky Gervais are those types of comics?
tim pool
Kind of.
For the most part.
The willingness to be offensive and, you know, Dave Chappelle did a bit in his comedy special back in 2018 where he did like a Chinese stereotype and it was just really old school racist Chinese stereotype and everyone laughed at it.
Like, that's anti-woke, right?
Like, he was purposefully poking people and being offensive, but in his most recent special he was real defensive.
They got him run for his money.
So, Ryan Long's got a bit right now where he's a singer saying that it's women's right to get an abortion, specifically one woman, and then he names a woman who he's like, I accidentally knocked up and you better get an abortion!
So, it's funny!
That's comedy, that's the joke.
But it's as offensive as you can get when he does his routines.
That's anti-wokeness.
Disregard for wokeness ignoring it.
It's funny.
I think that stuff's gonna keep growing and working I mean, yeah, we we're talking so we do the cast castle vlog if you haven't subscribed go to youtube.com slash cast castle and we're doing skits and bits and it's relatively family-friendly stuff and silly slapstick humor and you know Like Mary's like lurking in the closet in the attic for some reason like some weirdo screaming flash in the light Yeah stuff like that, but we've been we've been talking about even with Seamus from freedom tunes Seamus mentioned this we had a bit A couple of them that YouTube would never allow that are actually family friendly, but they offend the political sensibilities of YouTube.
We had vaccine jokes, like just mocking the political air around it and stuff like that.
And we were like, yeah, if we made that skit, it would not be offensive to any parent.
Children could watch it and ask their parents what it meant.
It wasn't lewd or anything like that.
It was just about politics, but YouTube would delete it.
For wrong think.
That's the crazy thing.
So that means there's a huge market for humor on Rumble.
So if like you, if you do comedy, just start making Rumble videos and they'll go viral because people are looking for things to laugh at.
The Daily Wire is growing so rapidly because the hole in the market is so big that like, I think the Daily Wire has got like four or five movies and they're close to a million subscribers.
Four or five.
Hey, the opportunity is right, man.
People don't want this stuff.
Just got to do it.
unidentified
Well, that's why I was saying earlier is that, you know, sometimes people will have an oversaturation and there will be a reaction to that.
So with that comes an opening in the market for people to try to, you know, get something, you know, some kind of a product or a service that otherwise fills the void that exists because everybody else is oversaturating that market being wokeism.
mary morgan
Yeah, I'm just wary of anyone who's trying to sell something anti-woke, anti-cancel culture, but doing so while sanitizing the entire topic.
Like, I think Piers Morgan Uncensored does exactly that.
tim pool
Oh, he's awful.
mary morgan
He's like, I'm canceling cancel culture.
tim pool
Like, It's so candid fake.
mary morgan
You're not threatening anything, you're not pushing any boundary, and no one is afraid of appearing on Pierce Morgan uncensored.
tim pool
Yeah.
mary morgan
You know?
It's gimmicky, it's cheap, it doesn't mean anything to anyone.
tim pool
I mean, even the aftershow that we do is, like, moderately okay.
We'll swear a lot, and we'll say things that offend delicate woke sensibilities, but even we are not extreme edgelords just trying to poke the bear as hard as possible.
We're just trying to speak freely, you know?
Piers Morgan is... It's uncensored, but it's, like, as normie as you're gonna get.
He's like, let's talk about this controversial subject.
It's like, everyone's talking about that.
Jordan Peterson was talking about that five years ago.
Come on, man.
But, but outside of, you know, when I'm talking about comedy, I'm not, I'm not saying, if
somebody makes a show where their whole shtick is woke people bad, it's like, okay, we get
it.
Like, just make good stuff.
Terror on the Prairie, the Daily Wire's movie, it's not like a bunch of, you know, woke people
on horseback with purple hair ride up and they're like, oh no, we gotta fight back.
It's just a Western.
It's just a Western.
And there's a woman and she's like, I'm gonna fight.
They were like, we made a movie.
It's a story.
That's it.
It's not anti-woke.
It's not woke.
It's just a movie.
ian crossland
Yeah, like if you have a field of crops and all the crops are dying, the way to combat that isn't by like making fun of dying crops.
It's to grow crops the right way.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
That's it.
unidentified
It's a good metaphor.
tim pool
Well, that's why, you know, we started Pop Culture Crisis.
It's because we... I was like, look, the two things we don't want to do is make woke content.
That's a given.
We don't like it.
But also anti-woke content, where all we do is just be like, oh, look at this, look at that.
It comes up.
You know, and like, you know, Seth Rogen said a thing on Twitter.
We'll be like, oh, that was dumb.
But it's not like we dedicate everything to just going after wokeness.
That's what it was very much like in the early YouTube era.
And I feel that's why a lot of those early YouTubers bowed out, quit, or failed.
It's like, dude, you can't have your whole identity be based on someone else's identity.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
You need your own.
You need to stand up for what you believe in and talk about that stuff.
That's why I also really don't like talking about people like Taylor Lorenz and stuff.
Granted, she specifically represents a very powerful brand.
She was in a high position until she got demoted.
And so that's more representation of institutional power, but I try to keep it to the news and the info and so that we can have a real conversation around this stuff, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's exhausting to try and make a career off of talking about what's wrong with other things, because then you're always looking for new problems and to the point where you may be happy to see them get created.
It's insane.
Insane way to live.
It's not healthy.
I don't think.
unidentified
That's a very good point.
tim pool
I think people, regular people, that are just totally ignorant, don't know.
They don't know anything about what's going on.
They don't know what Rumble is.
And that's one of the big challenges.
So, so long as we keep working, we keep growing, we keep marketing.
I'll say, uh, Parlor had a Times Square billboard.
Good.
The more people who see that and ask, what is that?
The better.
We obviously had our Times Square billboards.
We had Ian up on a big 40-some-odd-foot screen.
The 70-foot screen, the biggest one, rejected our ad because they said the word politics was in it, and that's all that matters.
They don't care about us or anything like that, but they were like, the word politics, we can't do anything with that.
The Daily Wires had a couple different billboards up in Times Square.
Taking these cultural spaces is extremely important.
I've been getting tons of ads on Reddit and Facebook for The Daily Wire, and I'm glad every time I see it, because these spaces have been ignored by, whatever you want to call it, the anti-woke factions or whatever.
The ads aren't explicitly like, wokeness is bad, it's just like, hey, watch our show.
Good.
We had, I think we were talking with Billy Prempeh, he was running for, as a Republican, in a very blue area, and Kimberly Klasick, she was running in a very blue area, and I was like, good.
These Republicans have abandoned urban centers because they're like, what's the point?
We're not going to win.
And my response is, a society that grows great when a person plants trees whose shade they know they will never sit beneath.
So if you start campaigning as a Republican in New York City, you're not going to win, but you're planting trees, man.
Of course you're not going to get an orange in your first season.
That's going to take 10, 20 years before that, that, you know, fruit, that, that plant bears fruit.
ian crossland
There's balance.
You don't want to plant trees where, you know, they're going to get mowed down and destroyed in the next five years.
Because like, it'd be like going to a war zone to talk, to be open and honest, you're going to get killed in the war zone.
So like you do want to plant your, your psychological trees in places that maybe, Fair point.
That's true too.
tim pool
But I feel like that's one of the biggest problems we have in this country, is that Democrats and Republicans both at some point said, if I can't win easily, I won't waste my time.
And now you're getting hyperpolarization.
So we need to make things for Yeah, it's not about winning.
ian crossland
It's about doing.
You don't need to win every competition.
You just need to participate.
I mean, it's the joy of participation, I think, that may be lost in society.
I had to learn how to lose and to love it, or no one would play games with me.
Because I would beat them at video games over and over and over and over, and then they'd quit.
So I had to actually let them win without them knowing, so that they would keep playing.
And I had to find joy in just the process.
unidentified
I've heard some studies about like, the animals will actually do that too because there's an importance of play that comes with the learning process.
So even, it's not just humans, but other animals will do that.
There's like a certain percentage of time that like an older animal or a bigger animal will, during playtime, will allow the smaller or younger animal actually win because otherwise they don't want to discourage them from playing with them in the future.
ian crossland
So we need more Democrats and Republicans letting Republicans and Democrats win.
unidentified
Or allowing for the possibility that they'll lose at some point.
Understanding that there will be something in the process in the long run that will benefit everybody.
tim pool
I think the issue is the American cultures are just too divergent.
We don't even speak the same language anymore.
ian crossland
Yeah, same words with altered definitions sometimes.
tim pool
The culture has diverged so far in this country, we don't speak the same language.
unidentified
I don't know.
I think it depends on the subject matter.
Because, you know, again, like I said, the fact that I'm seeing on my channel, my viewers have very much diversified in their politics.
And a lot of that comes from the fact that the reason why they've come to my channel in the first place is Not politics.
It's something else that is politics adjacent.
I mean, law definitely has a lot of overlaps with politics as well.
But it's something that everyone really cares about, this whole mass of people cares about.
But it's not politics exactly.
But it's the kind of thing that introduces them to other conversations that we have about law that also overlaps with a lot of these topics too.
tim pool
Maybe the challenge is we need some kind of service guaranteeing citizenship, right?
You guys are familiar with that?
ian crossland
That's from Starship Troopers.
tim pool
Yeah.
Service guarantee citizenship.
Um, and I said that in some form.
The issue is when you have low, um, what's the right word to say this?
Uninterested individuals.
They're not interested in politics.
They're interested in tribal fighting.
They'd be better off watching, you know, the Sox versus the Cubs or something like that, where they can have their tribal values and have it be in an arena that doesn't impact the rest of the world.
If people are going out and voting like, uh, like, um, AOC, right?
Ocasio-Cortez.
When she went on Colbert and just made up all that nonsense about Dred Scott and Abraham Lincoln, it was so laughably bad.
I'm like, and her vote negates mine worse still.
She's in Congress.
So we need some kind of, look, if you're not interested in politics, we really need to know because you will make everything worse for everyone else.
This is the challenge.
Making sure everybody has a right to participate, but also making sure they actually want to.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Look, when someone posts on Facebook saying, we should ban assault rifles, and then I respond with, assault rifles are regulated under the Hughes Amendment, and they're very difficult to get, here's why, and they respond with, shut up fascist, you're an idiot, I'm like, okay, you really don't want to ban assault rifles.
Because if you did, you'd be like, tell me how to do it.
So when I commented on someone's profile earlier and I said, I think you mean assault weapons.
Assault rifles are regulated since 1986.
They're actually very difficult to get.
It started with the NFA.
If you're talking about assault weapons, let's figure out what you're specifically going for.
You're talking about foregrips, pistol grips, things like that.
And then you say, I don't know what you're talking about.
You're dumb.
Who cares?
We just need to ban it.
And I'm like, okay, well, you're not going to.
And you clearly don't care because I didn't insult them or anything like that.
Their whole thing is Team Blue, Team Red.
And that's all that matters.
And then they have their talking points.
ian crossland
I, you know, I think like, it's glorifying to think maybe we can remove the idiots from the process and just have the smart people do it.
But like, that just is like, it leads towards genocide.
I don't understand.
How would we hold people?
Like, what would be the process?
What we say?
unidentified
Yeah, I was I was I was just thinking like, like, what would be what would be the criteria for intelligence?
Are you talking IQ or EQ?
Or some combination of the two?
tim pool
Well, I don't think intelligence is a determinant factor in whether or not you should be voting.
It's a question of whether you actually want to or not.
So I'm not saying only the smart people vote.
I'm saying you actually have to walk to the voting booth to vote.
You know what I mean? Like, do you really want to vote? Or is someone sitting there over your shoulder saying, did you
unidentified
Hm.
tim pool
vote for my guy?
So the issue is when you do like universal mail-in voting, you're gonna have someone sitting there playing video games.
And then their roommate or their mom's gonna come and be like, take your thing and fill it out, vote for Biden. They
go, I don't care. And like, do it now. And they go, fine, whatever.
So there there needs to be some degree of I am choosing to do what needs to be done to vote.
So at the very least, you get up, you walk to the street, and you fill out the form.
You get rid of that, and you're going to have a whole lot of low-tier, uninterested people being like, whatever you say, man, I don't care.
ian crossland
So like a 10-minute 50-question questionnaire kind of thing?
Like that personality test that Jordan Peterson does?
Understand myself?
tim pool
I think y'all are assuming way more than I'm implying.
I'm implying, like, you have to go to the local voting booth to vote.
unidentified
Like, just literally go and do it yourself as opposed to mailing it in.
mary morgan
I think maybe demonstrate that you have a stake in the future of the nation, meaning have families, have practical skills to offer it.
tim pool
I mean, you can take it to the next step and make more logical arguments.
I mean, there's a lot of challenges in restricting voting rights, for sure, but the argument initially was you had to be a landowner to vote.
And the left says, wow, how offensive, because they're basing today, they're basing yesterday off of today.
The reason they did it was obvious.
They didn't have IDs.
How did they know you actually lived there?
You owned a plot of land, so you went and you voted.
Then, when we entered this hyper-dense urban, you know, society, we were like, okay, well now there's a lot of people who do live here and can prove they live here but don't own the land.
It's like, oh, okay, we gotta do away with that.
So then we're like, okay, you have to come in and vote, fill out the form, you have to choose to register, you have to show up, and you gotta do it.
And I'm like, all those things are good barriers to say you actually want to vote.
Not that you don't gotta be smart.
I mean, it is a problem when dumb people vote for dumb things, sure, but that's representative democracy, or, you know, how our public works.
At the very least, though, you should be able to get off your couch, walk a couple blocks, and vote.
ian crossland
I would love to see people have to live somewhere for like a year before they can vote locally.
tim pool
That actually is true in a lot of jurisdictions.
ian crossland
Oh, that's good.
tim pool
There's residency requirements.
The problem is, you can move somewhere.
Didn't Andrew Yang try and do this?
He got in trouble.
He was like, I'm gonna move to Georgia and help the Democrats win.
And it's like, that is so crooked.
ian crossland
Yeah, Matt Walsh did it in Virginia, I think.
tim pool
He didn't vote.
ian crossland
He didn't vote.
He did it to speak at a council meeting.
tim pool
Because they tried to keep him out.
That's different.
ian crossland
It worked.
I mean, it's just he exposed a flaw in the system, in my opinion.
tim pool
But he wasn't doing that for politics.
He was trying to speak about family and kids at a school, and they changed the rules to bar him, so he rented a basement.
Andrew Yang said, quite literally, I'm moving there for the purpose of politics.
And then they were like, hey, that's illegal.
That's the problem we have.
unidentified
I mean, eliminating mail-in voting entirely would also create a problem for the armed forces, for people that are deployed overseas.
tim pool
Yeah, but you have to apply for those.
You had to.
So before we did universal mail-in voting, absentee ballots, you filled out a form.
They'd mail it to you.
You had to do the bare minimum to say, I really want to do this.
Now what do we get?
We get a Democrat activist knocks on a door and says, that right there, fill it out.
And they go, just fill it out right now.
Put in your mailbox.
Okay, fine.
Whatever.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Biden?
ian crossland
Sure.
tim pool
Fine.
And then there you go.
unidentified
Fair point.
ian crossland
We're walking like a line between incentivizing and disincentivizing voting.
Is that what this is?
Like, you don't want to incentivize.
You don't want to give people money for voting.
tim pool
You want to slightly disincentivize voting.
ian crossland
Make it a little bit annoying.
Like, go to the place.
Wait in line.
tim pool
I mean, to be fair, it's not even annoying.
It's like, go vote?
Is it really that hard to just go and vote?
Now, it should be a holiday, in my opinion.
ian crossland
Yeah, that'd be huge.
tim pool
And I've heard Republicans be like, well, that's bad for us.
I'm like, too effing bad.
People should not have to work on voting days, and then they should have to get up and go do it.
The alternative is universal mail-in voting is a disaster.
It's an absolute disaster.
Security risks, etc.
unidentified
Yeah, I think I'd be in favor of both of those.
The combination together.
Making it a holiday and making it so that people have to do something in order to vote.
tim pool
One day.
No extended, no early, none of that.
Absentee voting for people who need to do it and you fill it out and you get it.
And then voting day is a holiday.
You don't gotta work.
I mean, we have 4th of July.
You don't gotta work then, alright?
So vote.
Election day is a holiday.
And if you'd rather go to the beach and go party, please, please do it.
mary morgan
That was even an issue for me in 2018 voting in the midterms when I had just turned 18.
I had to skip school to do that for like half a day.
Like I didn't want to do that.
tim pool
You didn't want to skip school?
mary morgan
No, I was a nerd.
tim pool
Really?
mary morgan
And then in college I had to do mail-in vote too because I had classes then too.
ian crossland
That's horribly obnoxious.
mary morgan
Right?
Yeah, like who wants to go through that?
tim pool
The service guarantees citizenship thing takes it one step further.
I mean, in Starship Troopers, it was like you had to sign up for some kind of community government service.
It didn't have to be military, but you had to in some way serve the community.
Otherwise, you didn't get to vote.
There's a really good logic behind that.
If you're not willing to contribute to the community, why should you get a say in what the community does?
ian crossland
Only when it gets dangerous when the community is like Nazi Germany and they're like, participate in our process or you have no say.
mary morgan
Participate in an approved way only.
unidentified
Well, isn't that the premise of Starship Troopers 2?
Isn't it supposed to be like a, what's the word for it?
tim pool
Classically liberal?
unidentified
No, no.
I mean, it's supposed to be mocking fascism, isn't it?
No, no, no.
tim pool
It was supposed to be like a utopian liberal society.
ian crossland
But it was a militant autocrat.
I mean, I don't know who was at the top.
tim pool
I don't think that's correct.
mary morgan
Any utopias?
unidentified
The movie apparently... I thought the premise of it was that it was supposed to be mocking the... The movie.
tim pool
So Carl Benjamin... I might be wrong.
Carl Benjamin did a breakdown of this, because he's a huge Starship Troopers fan, that the original, in the book, it was basically classically liberal.
That you have to provide for your community, otherwise you have no say in it, but Civilians don't get to vote, but they're entitled to all equal rights.
You do two years of service in any way.
It's not military.
Then you get access to voting.
And then in the actual book, I think it's like the bugs attack Earth and bomb them in Buenos Aires.
Even in the movie, that's the case.
But for some reason, the movie tries to make Earth out to be the bad guys, even though we were being attacked by a foreign invader.
False flag.
It was an inside job.
Well, the bugs in the movie actually watch him launch the giant rock.
ian crossland
Deepfakes.
tim pool
They try to make it seem like Earth was fascist or something.
But I have not read the book.
I've seen the movie several times.
You'll have to watch Carl Benjamin's breakdown of it.
Yeah, he talks about it.
unidentified
I remember seeing it as a kid and being absolutely traumatized by it.
What part?
What's the big brain thing that would suck people's brains out?
tim pool
Which one?
The brain bug?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I like the idea that the humans are the bad guys.
I thought that was a good twist on the movie.
I was like, oh, I thought we were fighting evil the whole time.
tim pool
But they attacked us.
ian crossland
Yeah, they were just doing what they do.
Is it the scorpion or the frog?
Who's the villain in that situation?
tim pool
The scorpion.
ian crossland
Apparently, but he's just doing what scorpions do.
tim pool
Yeah, just a bad guy.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
That's bad, you know?
tim pool
It's subjective.
There are bad people who do bad things.
They're bad when they do bad things.
That's it.
ian crossland
The humans were playing rock music too loud and it was interfering with the bugs.
tim pool
Is that what it was?
ian crossland
You know, high-frequency communication.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's why they threw a rock at us?
ian crossland
Who was the villain?
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Shut that noise off!
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, I guess.
I don't know, man.
You know what?
Every so often you'll get this period in pop culture where it's like normal things are happening and you're like, maybe, maybe we're gonna get out of this one and then something crazy happens.
mary morgan
When does that happen?
tim pool
It happens periodically.
For real, I mean.
mary morgan
It's not right now, at least.
tim pool
Well, no, obviously not.
mary morgan
Not that I can tell.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think so.
When you look at how BlackRock's been exposed on the internet, people are talking about the liberal economic order now, like it's been around for 80 years and they're finally talking about it.
tim pool
That's the opposite of what we're saying.
unidentified
It's good.
ian crossland
The exposure is what we need.
tim pool
That's not what we're talking about.
ian crossland
Democracy dies in silence.
tim pool
We need conversation.
Every swap that feels like things are normal again.
ian crossland
Well, that's an illusion.
mary morgan
When was the last time that happened?
tim pool
Like, a Marvel movie came out and people started talking about that or something.
I mean... Well, that's happening all the time.
But the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial, for a little bit, because it was apolitical.
It was like, people were like, celebrities!
Celebrities!
I'm like, wow, celebrities.
It's almost like things are normal again.
And then all of a sudden, Washington Post was like, far right!
Radicals!
mary morgan
Yeah, even that got twisted around.
ian crossland
I'm feeling what you're saying here.
It feels like some days it feels like completely normal.
Like this is life as I know it.
And then some days I'm like, what in the hell are we going to do?
I don't feel safe.
I feel like confused, nervous wreck.
And then some days it's like, yo, I mean, it's just like the love is coming out of my system.
tim pool
The 3rd of July felt pretty normal.
ian crossland
Yeah, the weekend, for instance.
tim pool
Not the 4th of July.
Because of Highland Park and Philadelphia.
But on the 3rd, it's like, relatively calm.
I mean, people are saying stuff, but most people... This is the thing, too.
On holidays, you'll really feel it.
When people get off the internet.
Couple years ago, I remember uploading a video, and the viewership was just, like, 40% of what it normally was.
And I was like, whoa, this must be a bad topic.
I'm like, nobody's watching my video.
I wonder if I did something wrong or whatever.
But I know the trick, like, sometimes things happen, right?
We went out to eat.
Every restaurant was packed with a 20-minute wait.
Parents with their kids, and I went, uh, something's happening.
The reason why views were down, I can't remember exactly what it was, but some, like, college got out and everybody...
I think what it was, this is really fascinating.
It had rained all week, and then it was like Friday till Thursday of rain, and then Thursday was sunny and like 69 degrees.
Everyone immediately was like, I need to go outside!
And so nobody's watching.
This is the fascinating thing many people on YouTube don't get.
They look at their YouTube views and panic when the views are bad, because they're like, oh no, my channel's dying!
And then you're like, did it rain?
When it rains, your views go up.
When it snows, your views go up.
When it's sunny, your views go down.
People don't know that.
ian crossland
You ever try and get like a goal, a view goal on this video?
Like, I'm gonna get less than 30,000 views on this next video.
Rather than try and get more, which is what everyone's been trying to do, try and get, try and do your best and see if you can get less.
Because that's more normal.
tim pool
I just don't think about it.
Like, when we first started doing this show, we were only getting like a few thousand concurrent viewers.
We didn't care.
We were doing it because, like, I don't know, what else is there to do?
Bored.
You know, just talk about something.
So we started talking about stuff, and then we started bringing people out, and now here we are.
Just do things that are fun, and keep doing them, and get good at it, and then figure it out as you go.
Some people can't seem to figure it out.
That's unfortunate.
It's a reality.
Some people can figure it out.
Some people can't.
ian crossland
Figure what out exactly?
tim pool
Like how to make a machine grow bigger and how to turn something into more.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
Sustainability.
People have a state of mind that they need to make things huge.
I succeed if it gets big.
If I get the most.
But size is not what makes things great.
It's the ability for the thing to sustain and adapt.
unidentified
So true.
tim pool
You just gotta have fun, you gotta be passionate, you gotta talk about what you care about, and just get started.
When I first started my channel, it was a GoPro 4 sitting on top of my monitor, and I would talk for 10 minutes and then be like, that was it.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
And then I'd put it up and that's all I would do.
And then eventually I was like, I got a bunch of other stories I didn't talk about, I'll just make a couple more videos.
And then just started making more and more and more and more.
ian crossland
Do you ever make videos directly to someone?
unidentified
Nope.
ian crossland
That's interesting.
mary morgan
That used to be a feature on YouTube that you could do video replies.
ian crossland
It was the best.
mary morgan
They took that off, I don't know why.
ian crossland
Because they thought it was getting underutilized.
That was how I made my career on YouTube in the early days.
mary morgan
Yeah, just like the dislike button was getting underutilized.
tim pool
Didn't Phil DeFranco do that?
ian crossland
Yeah, we all did.
Yeah, Phil responded, I think he responded to one of my videos way back in the day, but that was how he, his first video was a video response to somebody.
unidentified
Huh.
tim pool
Do they still exist on YouTube?
ian crossland
I just watched his first video response, yeah.
And it was why Google bought YouTube.
It's because YouTube was popular because of the video response.
The community, basically they called it the community.
I mean, it was people talking to each other and it was the most epic, epic violation of the third law of thermodynamics.
I don't know what it was, but it was like, how are we able to communicate from all around the world now in real time?
And it's always there for everyone to watch.
And then Google was like, it's too good.
We got to buy it.
tim pool
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Tell them about it.
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Let's read!
We got Juggernaut.
I'm not reading your first name because I don't want to have people emailing me about their kids asking questions.
Says, I'm listening to Rogan with Duncan Trussell before the beginning of this.
As an atheist, they believe only conservatives wanted Roe v. Wade to be overturned, aside from the fact it's amoral to terminate life, period.
So there was a viral clip going around with Joe and Duncan, and they're smoking.
And I don't know a whole lot about Duncan Trussell, but in this clip, I was like, this is why Joe Rogan's the man.
Because Joe says Ben Shapiro is a nice guy.
He's a good guy.
You got to talk to him.
And Duncan says, I don't care.
unidentified
And I was just like, Whoa, that's scary.
tim pool
That you could be wrong.
That you could be condemning an innocent person and you don't care is scary.
ian crossland
That was weird too.
Cause it was out of character for Duncan.
I'm used to Duncan being very loving and open.
And he was like something about that guy, man.
I just, I don't like, I don't like him, man.
Something wrong.
tim pool
He was saying that, like, people are going to exploit Joe, and try and pull him right and stuff like that, and it's like, people are in a cult, man.
And Joe Rogan asks questions, and that's who he's always been, and he's still very lefty, and then to hear Duncan be like, I don't care about the truth about a person, they're bad people, period, that's a scary, overzealous, cult-like mentality.
ian crossland
He did in that, in that interview, if you watch the entire show, which I did is Duncan eventually was like, all right, all right, all right.
I take it back.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Well, that's good.
That's good.
unidentified
Yeah, and that's something that you wouldn't see if they were together in the same room in one space, right?
Like, if he and Ben Shapiro were in the same room, I mean, would he actually say that to him?
Would he actually have that impression?
Or maybe he would walk in with that impression, and then at the end of an hour, two hours, three hours, you know, of sitting and talking and hanging out, then maybe he would have a different perception by the end of it.
tim pool
People believe crazy stuff.
Like, I'll tell you this.
Ben Shapiro?
unidentified
not short. Really? Yep. Medium sized? Average. Average dude.
tim pool
Average sized dude. Okay. But they attack him by saying he's short and then even people
who like him end up thinking he's short. I did. And then I met him and I was like he's like a
half inch shorter than me.
Or maybe like an inch shorter or something.
unidentified
It is tough to gauge height on YouTube.
So I told you guys this when scheduling today, but I recently got married and I had a bunch of friends from LawTube come to my wedding also.
And it was like the first time that most of us had met in person.
And so that was like one of the funny things was like figuring out like who's taller than who.
And a lot of them, or at least a handful of them, the first time that they actually saw me in person was literally me walking down the aisle with my dad.
And they told me, they were like, you're taller than I thought you were going to be.
I'm like, well, I'm also wearing heels, but yeah, I am kind of a tall person.
ian crossland
I wonder what that is, why people assume height.
tim pool
I don't think they assume it.
In the case of Ben Shapiro, they're trying to attack his masculinity on purpose.
Their idea is that conservatives value masculinity, therefore if you emasculate someone, people won't want to listen to them.
ian crossland
Bill Altman, the CEO and founder of Minds, when I first saw him on an internet video, it was on a YouTube video response that he made to me.
I thought he was like 5'7", but he's like 6'2", or something crazy.
tim pool
Why did I assume that?
unidentified
Nick Rikeda, also.
I thought he was shorter than he really is.
I mean, I haven't actually seen him in person, but he's also like 6'2", or 6'3", or I don't know.
Yeah, he's tall.
He's very tall.
But I think part of it sometimes is the camera angle that you have, and sometimes that can be a factor.
ian crossland
When the camera's above you, you look small.
tim pool
Because people are imagining they're looking at you, and you must be small.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
We got Derek Saferth says, I simply cannot figure out how to watch The After Show at 11.
I am a member and behind the paywall, and I'm 23, so I'm not a technological boomer.
So if you sign up for the website and you're logged in, on the homepage every night around 10.50 we put up, it'll be right there, it'll say members only on it, you click it and that's it, it plays.
If it's not working then there's an error, send us an email to members at timcast.com but it's really that, or if you click members only, we're actually going to be adding a whole bunch of shows.
The issue is We're at this point where we have the money to like start expanding, but it's still hard.
And we need like a web editor to handle all the uploads of graphics and images and maintaining all this stuff, but it's like, it gets more and more difficult.
So we need to add more and more members.
So what's going to happen is we're going to create low budget shows.
To attract more members and hope we cross that threshold of spending less money than, you know, getting a little profit off the memberships.
Then we can hire people to start cleaning things up and expanding.
You'll notice that the Daily Wire's first movies were either they bought them or they were low budget.
Like Terror on the Prairie, single location in the middle of nowhere, relatively low cost to shoot that kind of stuff.
Do a good story, it works.
So that's where we're going.
Yeah, let's read some more.
Alright.
Tyler Brown says, no Lydia, we riot!
That doesn't rhyme.
All right.
Don Diego says, I'm sure of it now more than ever.
The planet has drifted through a cosmic cloud of stupidity.
That could be.
unidentified
Is that what this is?
tim pool
Well, we often talk about the Large Hadron Collider.
They fired that thing up today, didn't they?
Was it today?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, I think so.
unidentified
Yeah.
Maybe.
ian crossland
Let's find out.
tim pool
You hear about this?
mary morgan
What does it mean?
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
So they got this big ring, right?
It's a magnet.
And they put particles in it.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Spin around as fast as possible and then slam it into something else.
They're trying to simulate energy levels that appeared right after the Big Bang.
So a lot of people were scared that they'll make black holes and they're like, don't worry, the black holes will dissipate.
They're too small.
They can't sustain themselves.
And they did this right before Donald Trump got elected the first time.
So the joke is that they created some kind of dimensional rift or something like that.
ian crossland
And confirmed six hours ago from Live Science MSN, Large Hadron Collider switches on at highest ever power level to look for dark matter.
tim pool
Did anything crazy happen?
ian crossland
I don't know yet.
mary morgan
What are you expecting to happen though?
ian crossland
Well, I think they're looking for excitons and other kinds, or exitons, I think is how it's pronounced, and other kind of polaritons, which are these subatomic particles that seem to pop in and out of reality.
Maybe when you bombard plasma with light.
I'm not exactly sure.
The polariton science is going to be a big part of the future.
tim pool
What's gonna happen is we're all gonna wake up and Hillary Clinton's gonna be president and we're gonna be like, what happened?
The timeline!
mary morgan
It's 2016 again.
tim pool
Yeah.
Gabe H says, I love the conspiracy theory episode you guys did Friday.
You should look into Wendigoon on YouTube.
He broke down a rather large conspiracy theory iceberg.
In total, it's about nine and a half hours.
Keep up the good work.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
One of the things we're going to be doing is we are preparing a weekly talk show on conspiracy and paranormal.
I know we talked about doing this a long time ago, but we ended up with Tales from the Inverted World, which is more serial.
We're going to be doing a weekly show, and it's going to be exploring deep into conspiracy theories and unsolved mysteries and stuff.
So that hopefully will start relatively soon because that's the plan.
You just start it up, you slowly build it up.
But we're currently renovating our haunted house so that we can actually do work in it because there's like asbestos or something.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
We'll have to figure that out.
But hopefully soon, within the next few weeks, we're going to have a new studio facility that's creepy for our creepy paranormal conspiracy show.
That'll be a whole lot of fun.
ian crossland
Oh, some further info is they're running the Large Hadron Collider for four years, and then they're going to stop it and upgrade it.
And then in 2029, they're going to start it up again and expect it to have 10 times more data.
tim pool
Cool.
Sideways says, Mary has that half asleep look and I can't get enough of it.
Like she could be in lo-fi beats to study relax to stream.
Super cute.
LOL.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
I don't know if saying someone looks like they're half asleep is a good thing or.
mary morgan
I mean, for them it is, so.
unidentified
It sounds like a compliment.
mary morgan
Thank you.
tim pool
Plif, the alien, says Taylor Lorenz is originally from my planet, hence the insect eyes.
We didn't like her here.
Glad to see Earth doesn't either.
Well, all right.
That's one way to explain it.
ian crossland
I wonder if she ever goes by Tay Lorenz.
tim pool
Tay Lorenz.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm bringing it back.
unidentified
Tay.
tim pool
Tay-lo-lo.
mary morgan
Tay-lo-lo.
tim pool
Joe Spinella says Prince changing his name was a way to maneuver out of his contract with Warner Brothers.
So we had more control over what music he released when and when ultimately, is there another message I don't have?
Okay, I guess that's it.
We'll have to try and find the it ends there.
So it was a way to that's what I thought it was like a legal thing.
That's what I heard.
unidentified
That sounds vaguely familiar.
tim pool
Yeah.
Like, how do you enforce a contract if you can't say the word?
Beavis McLean says, Tim, you inspired me to start building culture.
After I get out of the military, I'll not seek easy money from contracting work.
I'll be making content to inspire this in future generations.
Any advice for a newbie?
PS, love you and the whole team.
If you're in the military something military related, I don't know start making videos Start small start easy and just slowly start building up as it comes.
It's not always easy Sometimes you got to get a job.
You got to invest the money you're making until you can build it up to that point That's how you do it Inspire those future generations, man Brian L. says, name an American colony, Ian.
We have none.
ian crossland
Wake Island.
tim pool
What's that?
ian crossland
It's an island in the Pacific that the U.S.
conquered in like 1920 or late 1800s.
The Philippines was an American colony.
unidentified
We do have territories.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Puerto Rico.
tim pool
Guam.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Puerto Rico.
Yeah, Puerto Rico.
unidentified
Puerto Rico and Guam.
tim pool
Apparently there's like no taxes or something there.
Is that how it works?
unidentified
I think it's supposed to be a tax haven.
I think.
Yeah.
But they also have no voting rights.
Right.
tim pool
Taxation without representation.
So it's like you can set a business there.
So I'm kind of like, wow, we should run TimCast there.
Tax-free USA.
Yeah.
And then getting people out there and stuff.
Mortem Isn't Edgy says, Hey Tim and crew, I'm in high school and I found your show in March of 2020, my freshman year.
I've been a loyal Spotify listener ever since.
Thanks so much for giving me a dissenting voice from my peers' vapid leftist trash.
My first super chat.
Hey, really appreciate it, man.
Glad to hear it.
All right.
What is this?
Tyler Adams says, I think when you referenced Smilebots from Doctor... Oh, Smilebots, that's right, from Doctor Who earlier today.
Did you like that series?
If so, does it hold up to Star Trek in theme?
I feel like the episode Haven't Sent is best Doctor Who episode.
I haven't seen a whole lot of Doctor Who, but there was an episode where they go to this planet where there's like a colony.
But there's no humans.
And they find robots with big smiley faces on them.
And they wear badges with like smiley faces or something like that.
And then the general idea is unhappiness is a virus, is the theme sort of.
So the robots were tasked with keeping everyone happy.
But one day someone died of old age.
Everyone around the old woman got sad.
The machines couldn't figure out how to make them happy because, you can, people get sad.
When the people who were sad came into contact with happy people and explained someone died, the happy people became sad.
So the robots were like, we can't stop the unhappiness, and it spreads, so they killed anyone who was unhappy.
unidentified
Oh jeez.
tim pool
Well, that resulted in everyone else getting very unhappy, so they end up killing everybody.
unidentified
Oh jeez.
tim pool
So like, Doctor Who and, you know, the other person have to walk around faking a smile like, everything's good!
unidentified
Oh jeez.
tim pool
Yeah, it's creepy.
But that's what people don't understand about AI.
It doesn't go the way you think it's gonna go, you know?
Rodolfo Ramirez says we are in the corporate version of the movie Nightcrawler.
Have you guys seen Nightcrawler?
unidentified
I haven't.
No.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
That movie's so good.
ian crossland
Jake Gyllenhaal.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Not the superhero Nightcrawler, but he's a late-night journalist that chases tragedy, basically, in the middle of the night.
tim pool
Nightcrawlers are reporters who go out at night and chase after crime scenes and accidents and then sell the footage to news outlets.
Yo, this movie's so good.
unidentified
Is it really?
ian crossland
It's really good.
You gotta watch it.
It's an interesting look into the psychology of people that seek trauma.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
It's an indictment of journalists.
If you don't like journalists, watch the movie Nightcrawler.
You're gonna be like, yup.
ian crossland
It's brutal.
tim pool
He's an evil dude.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Yes.
And the other people at the news outlets?
Also very evil.
It's amazing.
I don't wanna spoil it.
But he's an evil dude, and the people in the news outlets are like, good.
They're like, we don't care, the ratings, the ratings.
It's just, it's brutal.
Yeah, man, very, very brutal.
All right, let's read.
What do we got here?
Uh-oh.
Storm Viking says, Ian, you disgust me sometimes with communist woke talking points.
America was not founded as a slave state, learn history.
And if you hate America so much, move out.
Canada sounds right up your alley.
Oh, that was brutal.
ian crossland
It was also kind of vague.
I thought the US did have slaves when it was founded.
tim pool
And right before it, Arafatis of Stet says, Ian's rolling 20s cast IRL.
ian crossland
That is the wonderful dichotomy of reality.
I'll see in the chats, it'll be like, 20 Ian, 1 Ian.
tim pool
Sean St.
George says, I'm a little surprised Daily Wire deadnaming you on Twitter isn't the lead, JK.
So I tweeted, the reason people call me Pim Tool all the time is because it's my deadname.
Therefore, if you call me Pim Tool, I will report you.
It's a gag.
And then the Daily Wire account called me Pim Tool.
I thought it was funny.
But that's the game we can play, right?
You can't call me any names anymore?
Is that how it works?
Think about how insane this is.
ian crossland
If you call someone... What's... Communist, for instance.
What if someone in a comment called me communist?
Should I go after that guy?
That's insane.
tim pool
On Twitter, if you call someone a butthead, it's a direct insult.
Let's say you call them like a mother effer or something.
Totally allowed.
But if you use the incorrect name, you're banned.
That's so weird.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's arbitrary.
tim pool
Did you know this too?
Twitter allows you to remove videos with you in them, whether you own the copyright or not.
So if, like Ian, if you're walking down the street and someone films you and then uploads it, you can get it removed.
ian crossland
I think Twitter admins are too involved in the process at this point.
Agreed.
Software should just be there and they should be like making sure that people aren't destroying the world.
mary morgan
I'm not so sure about that either, though, because TikTok seems to be run by robots and they ban everyone.
tim pool
Yeah, IRL got banned from TikTok.
mary morgan
I just don't think that that was, like, one person's decision.
It's the algorithm, because you got mass-reported.
ian crossland
You don't think it would lie at the feet of the chairman?
Chairman, uh, what's his name?
Xi Jinping at the top of the Communist Chinese Party.
mary morgan
Hey, I have a WeChat account.
We can't talk about that.
ian crossland
We can talk about whatever you want.
tim pool
Raymond G says, I love that the UFO is always spinning.
ian crossland
Tim gave it a nice spin before the show tonight.
tim pool
Just keeps going.
All right.
Brandon Tom says, imagine if Biden went on the Joe Rogan experience.
Hey, Jamie, can you check Batacaf care?
Here's the thing.
Joe Rogan was like, I don't want Trump coming on the show because it would help him.
OK, Joe, would you have Biden on the show?
It'll hurt him.
Hands down.
Fact.
Joe Biden for two hours in that chair with Joe, Biden would be destroyed.
unidentified
I mean, he did offer to moderate a debate between the two of them for 2020.
tim pool
But can I just go back to that point I made during that segment?
If Joe Rogan thinks Trump coming on a show would benefit him, and he thinks Joe Biden is a dead man, as he said it, he's basically saying how he views both individuals.
Trump is capable either of lying or convincing you, and Biden is out of it.
So he shouldn't have either of them.
Having Biden on a show would help Trump tremendously.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Adam Townsend said, for proper context, you can see Rogan's quote on Lex Friedman's recent interview.
I recommend you actually watch the whole show, because, you know, you get the full context.
ian crossland
Oh, did you watch it earlier?
tim pool
I watched a big chunk of it.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too.
tim pool
I don't watch the whole thing.
I watch the relevant political part.
It's because on YouTube, you can actually jump to it.
ian crossland
It's funny because it was like just two dudes talking.
I was like, Oh, I can't wait to go listen to two guys talk.
Like what, what is society?
What like we really are social creatures that that was that invigorating to hear two random guys have a conversation.
tim pool
All right.
The KL Tanker says, California is passing a bill that would require a homeowner, renter, or gun insurance policy in your name to own a gun, essentially making you pay for your rights.
And Maryland just announced that they're getting rid of the qualification for a handgun license.
So this is really funny.
Supreme Court said you can't require a reason for getting a permit.
New York lost.
New York immediately came out and nullified Supreme Court's rulings, and we're gonna do whatever we want anyway.
Maryland came out and they were like, okay, From this point forward, remove the qualifying reason for all handgun permits.
And I was like, okay, all right, let me look up what you need to get a Maryland handgun permit.
Yo, it's still impossible.
You need to do, I think, 16 hours of handgun training, which is probably gonna be at, what, four days?
Unless you do an eight-hour course followed by Saturday and Sunday.
Some people, maybe you'll do that.
You have to pass a proficiency test.
I get it.
But saying someone lacks skills?
means they don't get their rights is kind of a crazy idea.
Like, I understand why you're like, you have to know how to use a permit before you get a permit for it, but the Constitution says shall not be infringed, there's no qualifications, you can't do that.
I'm surprised Maryland hasn't been sued over that.
You have to get, for a non-law enforcement or security, you have to hit 25 rounds, you have to get 70% accuracy with 25 rounds from 15 yards.
Not like the hardest thing in the world requires some practice and some training, but I just thought it was kind of crazy that they could put a skill requirement on it.
What if you're... What if, you know, your hand's busted up?
Like, what if your hand's broken?
And you're like, someone's trying to kill me, but I broke my hands.
I could use it if I had to, but I'm not going to be able to be that accurate.
Like, well, you don't get your rights because you're not good enough to use it.
It's kind of a crazy idea, right?
ian crossland
If someone's legally blind, then they just are not allowed to have a gun?
I mean, obviously you would think it wouldn't necessarily be a good thing.
tim pool
Blind people are allowed to have guns.
ian crossland
I think they are.
tim pool
They are.
Like, imagine this.
I'm gonna say it right now.
Blind people should be allowed to walk in and buy a gun and bullets and walk out.
Period.
And I would love for all of the liberals to come out and tell me that someone due to their disability should be denied a human right.
Say it.
Because I'll take that clip.
By all means, do it.
Just because you're blind doesn't mean you don't get the right to have a weapon.
You know why?
Because maybe you have someone who's a caretaker.
Maybe you have someone who looks after you and you want to get a weapon for yourself.
They're not going to carry it around, but other people can pick up a weapon in defense of others.
Tell me that people don't deserve their rights if they're disabled.
I'll call you nuts.
Blackwing says, you are partially right about the media thinking they know everything.
They do get experts.
Experts that will tow the media line for a price.
That's absolutely correct.
They'll bring people in and say, we'll give you the money, just say what we want you to say.
Zmeister says, as a member, please refer to the Covington Kid as CovCath Kid.
I cringe every time you say that as a graduate from Covington Catholic.
Okay, you want me to be a little bit more specific?
We'll call it CovCath.
The problem is I don't think anyone knows what that means.
So you went there, you know that?
Most people don't know what CovCath would be and then have to explain it further.
I could say Covington Catholic, that's for sure.
Eric Boyd says, as a Daily Wire subscriber, hearing you congratulate them, I had to subscribe to TimCast too.
I did, and here's some SuperChat money too.
Let's catch Daily Wire and beat them in creating culture.
That's what I'm saying.
Thank you very much, Eric.
No, I'm a huge fan of what they're doing.
I am jealous of what they're doing.
We've got something in the works.
We're planning something special as a...
Homage to the Daily Wire.
And we're not going to say what it is until it's ready to come out and it's going to be really fun and really funny.
But they're absolutely killing it.
Doing the Lord's work.
They're making movies that are just movies.
They're standing up for freedom.
They're standing up for this country.
So their victory is our victory.
You know why I do all of this?
Why I do this show?
It's because I'm tired of the lies.
I want to call out the media, the liars, the manipulators.
When the Daily Wire does that in spades, it's just good news across the board.
So let's see more victory.
You know what I'd love to see?
You get Steven Crowder, you get Tim Cass, you get Daily Wire, who or some other, you get Carl Benjamin, Count Dankula, you get all these people, massive success, hundreds of millions of viewers, CNN, just... I mean, it's already happened.
CNN's failing, Daily Wire's taken off.
These are good days, man.
These are good days.
All right.
Yellow Fluffy Feather says, Luke, come back.
We promised Tim we'll let you speak your mind and not be mean to you.
Uh, yeah, Luke, what are you doing?
mary morgan
Did you bully Luke off the show?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Did you see it?
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
It was Seamus, actually.
ian crossland
They were nose to nose.
tim pool
Well, Seamus and Luke were always fighting.
And then Luke was like, I'm not here if Seamus is here.
And he left.
And then Seamus was like, I'm not here if Luke's here.
And he left.
Now they're both gone.
Neither of them are here.
ian crossland
That's what happens when you stick to what you say you're going to do.
tim pool
That's actually not what happened.
ian crossland
Refusal to adapt.
tim pool
That was just kidding.
Luke is, what is he doing?
Some hippie stuff up in New Hampshire, I think.
ian crossland
Yeah, his return is imminent, that's for sure.
tim pool
Yeah, he'll be back soon, but crazy stuff going on.
So I'll shout out, I'm going to shout out Mercedes Benz.
Because we had a vehicle for picking up guests.
So when we have people fly in, we have someone go and pick them up and bring them here.
It's actually cheaper than getting a car service, for sure.
And here's the story as I was told.
We had an oil issue, brought it to Mercedes-Benz in Hagerstown, Maryland.
And there's a reason, this story has a point rather than what we're talking about, just bear with me.
And, uh, they said they fixed it.
We were then driving one day, and the engine seized, and the engine just became trash.
$20,000 to fix.
So we brought it to a different Mercedes-Benz, this time in Chantilly, Virginia.
And, uh, then when we got it back, the suspension was broken.
Right away.
Like, we get it back, we're like, hey, what's wrong with it?
And they went, oops, we'll fix it.
Then they call us, apparently, or message us saying, oh, also the engine mounts are broken.
And it's like, what is going on with these dealerships?
Not only, they won't answer their phones.
Totally broken.
So what we think is happening is, Nobody's working, and there's supply chain disruption, so they just can't fix.
And so I feel like they're lying to us just to get us out the door because they can't fix the problems.
I have no idea.
But this is one of the big issues with Luke, is that everyone is feeling this.
Car repairs are getting more and more difficult.
That's for sure.
And if that's the case, it means everything's gonna take a lot longer.
We've been trying to build the new HQ in West Virginia, and it's been delayed by like three months just because of all the supply disruptions.
So.
But Mercedes-Benz, you are trash, and I am extremely livid.
I tweeted about it because after like, what has it been, six months?
Three to six months of trying to get this vehicle fixed, we had to buy a new vehicle.
And it's funny because people on Twitter are like, Tim, you're rich, who cares?
I'm like, yo, this is the business's vehicle.
Employees can't use our personal vehicles.
The business needs a car to pick up guests to do the show.
And Mercedes, in my opinion, I believe they broke the engine.
I believe they screwed up, they broke it.
And now the only way I can get it resolved is by coming on the show and saying Mercedes-Benz is trash, don't buy their cars.
That's it.
That's all I can do.
It's going to cost us like $50,000.
And it's like, what can you do about it?
ian crossland
Wow.
That's like a new car.
tim pool
$20,000 because the engine broke.
ian crossland
And the time too.
The time is expensive for a business to lose its transport.
tim pool
When the engine's seized and everything else is good, it's like spend the $20,000 now and the car works.
ian crossland
I wonder if we live in an age of entitlement where I'm like, you should do my thing for me.
Where's my, where's my easy things?
Like I'm so used to things being relatively fluid and easy that now it's like, harvest your own grain, bro.
unidentified
Like, come on.
tim pool
We did that.
ian crossland
Yeah, we did.
tim pool
We had some weed week.
ian crossland
I'd do it again too.
tim pool
All right.
David C says, please reach out to Matt Christensen and Blonde.
We need this mashup.
Love you guys.
Absolutely.
Would love to have both of them on the show.
That'd be great.
We will bring them out.
Bachi Pwin says, anyone else think Gavin Newsom looks and acts like Christian Bale in American Psycho?
ian crossland
Yes.
Agreed.
unidentified
He's not that cool.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I bet he loves that movie.
unidentified
He's like, I'm gonna be just like Patrick Bateman.
tim pool
Brandon de Armas says, hey, first time super chatting.
Also not even a question.
Related to tonight, I'm putting this in at work because I've been wondering what y'all think of the game Death Stranding.
The director's cut game came out a while back, oddly relevant currently.
I never played it.
Did you play it?
mary morgan
No, I never did.
ian crossland
It didn't really appeal to me.
It's not my kind of game.
It's a, it's a game where you run.
The whole game is like running.
tim pool
I heard it.
I heard the game is called, is, um, carry all the groceries into the house in one trip simulator.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
That's what people told me.
ian crossland
Don't pass out simulator from all the way.
It's the guy from walking dead.
What's his name?
tim pool
And you just carry stuff.
ian crossland
Daryl from walking dead.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And you just, you're carrying like a child in a, in a case.
Keep it.
It's like the last baby or something and you got to get it to the city.
tim pool
No, it's something like the babies keep away the demons or something like that.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
I'm sure people are chatting like you guys have no idea.
ian crossland
Don't lean too much to the right.
Don't lean too much to the left.
It's not my kind of game.
tim pool
Gaffs says, Tim, your brother's channel Reactor is legendary.
ian crossland
I know.
Oh, yes.
Can we talk about that?
The legend of Reactor?
No, you're not allowed.
tim pool
It's dead naming.
All right.
Kate J says, Tim, this just broke today.
A judge in Uruguay, or it's Uruguay for those Americans, orders government and Pfizer present all information on COVID-19 jabs within 48 hours, including the presence, the possible presence of graphene oxide and nanotech.
Just because they're requesting it doesn't mean it's there.
So we'll see if anything comes out of that.
But you know, I'd be, I'd be shocked if any, any stuff come out of that.
Like, if any of that came out to be true, to be honest.
All right, Stephen Simard says, it's 100% the supply chain right now.
I'm a mechanic, and I have had eight-plus-month wait times for parts.
It's unreal.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
That's insane.
tim pool
Kalian Shaw, Indie Game says, Death Stranding is 1000% Ian's kind of game.
ian crossland
It seems so boring.
You gotta give it no action.
tim pool
You gotta give it a try.
unidentified
Is there at least a storyline to it?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's basically like a movie, but you have a little bit of control over which direction the guy leans.
tim pool
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Right now the website uses the YouTube API to pull images but they're low res so we need to really fix that stuff up.
We need to hire somebody and it's tough.
You gotta hire people and you gotta fund shows and shows are expensive but we want to do more.
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Alita, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Well, you can go to my channel LegalBytes on YouTube.
I'm also on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook.
Locals and Patreon.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Yeah.
Cool.
And I also have a gift that I wanted to give to you.
tim pool
Oh, a gift!
unidentified
But if you want, I can give it to you in the Members Only stream.
tim pool
Let's do that.
unidentified
Okay.
Okay.
tim pool
Find out what the mystery gift is at TimCast.com.
Mystery box.
unidentified
Mystery box.
It's going to be a rock.
tim pool
Everyone's going to sign up to see what it is.
unidentified
They're going to be like, it's a rock.
No, it's better than a rock.
It's a little bit more tailored to your interests.
tim pool
Is it a gun?
unidentified
No, I don't think I don't think I don't I don't think TSA would allow me to play with that.
mary morgan
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ian crossland
You can also follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to know what kind of games I do like.
It's like turn-based strategy games like Slay the Spire, Civilization, that kind of stuff.
Crusader Kings, that one's awesome, the second one.
And hot action games like MOBAs, like some of them, I don't know.
List goes on, I've got like...
1,500 games on, I don't know, I have so many games.
tim pool
Whenever I play Civilization, I start building up my civilization and I just mind my own business.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Flourishing and developing technology.
And then some a-hole is like, I'm going to invade.
And then I'm like, now I have to destroy your civilization.
ian crossland
Yeah, the entire level it to the ground.
It's exhilarating.
tim pool
Yeah, just wipe them out.
ian crossland
I don't even take the citizens, I just burn them to the ground.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And then I launch a spaceship.
tim pool
All right.
ian crossland
Bye, everyone.
tim pool
We also have Chris pressing buttons.
I don't know if you wanted to shout anything out.
ian crossland
Uh, hi.
tim pool
Yeah, not really.
ian crossland
Come on, you're the reactor!
Chris's channel!
That was my reaction.
YouTube Reactor.
tim pool
Alright everybody, we will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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