Jan. 18, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| Peace. | ||
| And as Luke was discussing post-pandemic civil unrest, a police officer walks in. | ||
| And I'm sitting here, and I see the door open. | ||
| I see this cop just walk past, and I'm like, what's going on? | ||
| This cop's sitting outside the room. | ||
| Another cop fans me over, and I'm like, are you nuts? | ||
| We're sitting here live. | ||
| We've got tens of thousands of people. | ||
| And I wondered for a second if we were being raided like Project Veritas had been. | ||
| Like the police had come here to execute some kind of warrant. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| My first thought was like, okay, they came here exactly when we were doing the show on purpose, knowing that we were in a difficult position. | ||
| And now they're going to use this because I'm unavailable to basically run strategy and there's basically people here, security, and they're not going to know what to do in the face of this. | ||
| And sure enough, the police, in my opinion, lied about exigent circumstances to enter the property and do that check. | ||
| We had been swatted. | ||
| There was claims of an active shooter. | ||
| But once the police got here, they even say on their radios that they think it's a swatting incident. | ||
| They were told explicitly not to come in. | ||
| They came in anyway. | ||
| As it turns out, we were not being raided or anything. | ||
| But James O'Keefe and Project Veritas were raided. | ||
| And joining us to actually talk about the modern state of journalism is not just James O'Keefe, but also Andy Ngo and Libby Emmons. | ||
| So this should be a pretty insane conversation. | ||
| Of course, Luke is here. | ||
| Ian has the night off. | ||
| James, do you want to introduce yourself for those that are not familiar with your work? | ||
| Tim, my name is James O'Keefe, founder of Project Veritas, author of a new book called American Muckraker out a week from today. | ||
| So thank you for having me back. | ||
| Thanks for coming, man. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| We got Andy. | ||
| Welcome, Andy. | ||
| Hi, Tim. | ||
| It's an honor to be here in person, finally. | ||
| I am an American independent journalist who writes about Antifa. | ||
| I have a book out called Unmasked. | ||
| It's out in paperback now in updated, new chapter. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| And of course, everybody who's standing behind Andy can be seen on camera, just so you guys know. | ||
| Just so you guys know, hi. | ||
| And then we have Libby Emmons of the Postmillennial. | ||
| Hey, everyone. | ||
| I'm Libby Emmons. | ||
| I'm the Editor-in-Chief with the Postmillennial. | ||
| And of course, Lukard Kowski of We Are Change. | ||
| Hey guys, you know, the media is pretty bad. | ||
| I would say just as bad to the point where some people are making t-shirts comparing the media to the virus. | ||
| I can't believe some people are doing that, but if you're interested in maybe some of those shirts and supporting We Are Change, you can go to thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you do. | ||
| I'm here. | ||
| Thank you so much for having me. | ||
| This should be a great conversation. | ||
| And I'm pretty sure that I think almost everyone in here will be in the gulags in just a few years. | ||
| So welcome comrades. | ||
| Thanks for coming. | ||
| I am also here in the corner pushing buttons. | ||
| I'm trying to do the sound and the cameras. | ||
| As you can tell, I'm not doing the best job, but I'm excited to have these lovely people here. | ||
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| Tell them we are going to be having a, well, I gotta keep it family friendly. | ||
| I'll say something else. | ||
| We are all going to have a confirmation by a session ragging on the media. | ||
| And so we're really excited that you're here. | ||
| And let's just get started. | ||
| We'll talk about the modern state of journalism. | ||
| Of course, most of you know, we hosted Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
| Within not even 24 hours, we were swatted. | ||
| Then we hosted, I think, just like the next show, I think, after that was Micro, and we were slammed by a DDoS attack which exceeded a gigabit, which for those unfamiliar, I'm actually fairly surprised that was able to happen. | ||
| It was like a several gigabit international botnet that attacked us. | ||
| And so the work we do just on a talk show is, it's dangerous, especially for the establishment, for powerful interests. | ||
| And of course, the work that all of you guys do is extremely dangerous. | ||
| And thus, let's just talk about what happened with you, James. | ||
| You have a development on the FBI raid on your headquarters and you. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Well, the federal judge in New York, and thank you again for having me. | ||
| A lot has happened since I last saw you, by the way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've been raided. | ||
| You got swapped people. | ||
| I get raided by the FBI. | ||
| And I'm proud to sit here next to my friend Andy Ngo. | ||
| Andy is featured in the first chapter of this book, which the first chapter is called Suffering. | ||
| It's called Suffering. | ||
| The book American Muckricker. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's been through some physical violence. | ||
| I've been through a different type of violence directed at us from the state. | ||
| 10 to 12 FBI agents showed up at my house in November and took my phones. | ||
| And we'll talk more about that here. | ||
| And they did that, not despite the fact that we're doing journalists, but because we're doing journalism. | ||
| And that's how far it's gotten. | ||
| So a federal judge in New York, the Southern District of New York, also known as the Sovereign District of New York, because they're quite autonomous with their decision making, ordered the FBI to stop doing that and then order what's called a special master to oversee the FBI, which is very rare. | ||
| You can count on one hand how often that happens. | ||
| The federal judge citing journalistic privilege, Tim, and this federal judge was not a Trump appointee, he was an Obama appointed federal judge. | ||
| And what was amazing to me when that happened was that the ACLU defended us, the Reporters Committee defended us, the Society of Professional Journalists defended us, which showed me there still is this very narrow consensus in this country between left and right. | ||
| So today we filed a motion that the U.S. | ||
| attorneys argued that we should pay for this special matter. | ||
| I think we have some wind coming in. | ||
| Yeah, you can hear it whistling. | ||
| Whistling. | ||
| Maybe that's a sign. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The ominous wind right as he begins talking. | ||
| Ominous wind in the background. | ||
| That's what that was. | ||
| The soundtrack of our life. | ||
| So the U.S. | ||
| attorneys, bottom line is the U.S. | ||
| attorneys argued before the judge And before they assigned the special master, the US | ||
| attorney said, well, your honor, James O'Keefe is not a journalist. | ||
| The judge asked why. | ||
| And the US attorneys, the prosecutors said, well, your honor, James O'Keefe does not get permission, consent, from | ||
| the people that he reports on. | ||
| It's non-consensual reporting and recording. | ||
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Wait, what the hell? | |
| Which is such an irre— Right? | ||
| That's like a 2 plus 2 equals 5. | ||
| But this is what they wrote in the motion. | ||
| The judge rejected that argument, thank God. | ||
| There still is some sanity in New York, and appointed this special master. | ||
| But now the US attorneys are saying we should pay. | ||
| The journalists should pay. | ||
| The government. | ||
| This is extraordinary. | ||
| We should just let the people of America know that at the New York Times, before they cover any story about, say, James, they call him and get permission first. | ||
| Or before they release, you know, Donald Trump's tax records or his personal information, they of course get consent from the people that they're reporting on all the time. | ||
| You know, it's standard protocol. | ||
| And definitely before someone gets doxxed. | ||
| Like when the New York Times tried to doxx Tucker Carlson, they of course got permission first. | ||
| Or when CNN goes after grandmas who are posting on Facebook. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They definitely get permission from those grandmas. | ||
| So this is an extraordinary, this is an extraordinary, I guess, Rubicon that we've not crossed yet. | ||
| Now they're starting to put people in handcuffs for doing stories they don't want done. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, it's not enough to just censor the stories on social media. | ||
| Now they want to come after people for actually just doing the stories in the first place. | ||
| I wonder what would have happened to the New York Post if these kinds of rules were in place last year. | ||
| And then the New York Times, and you did a few shows on this since I last saw you, the New York Times published my attorney-client privilege documents. | ||
| That's a whole new level of insane. | ||
| We do a whole show on that, but what's fascinating is that the New York Times actually did an article saying, it's a crime to transport stolen documents across state lines. | ||
| Well, I guess the New York Times says it's a crime to transport stone, which means that every report of the New York Times should be in jail. | ||
| Yeah, because that's especially the reporting that on you. | ||
| I mean, maybe they should be rated by the FBI for publishing my attorney client privilege documents. | ||
| But look at where the New York Times has gone. | ||
| They're not adversarial journalists. | ||
| When they say that stuff, it's because the mask is off. | ||
| The New York Times is a mouthpiece of the state or of some kind of establishment elitist power. | ||
| They have a symbiotic relationship with the FBI and Pfizer. | ||
| And that's ironic, isn't it? | ||
| Who was it who was on who was saying that the New York Times, Bhatia Angersargon, that the New York Times has effectively just decided their audience is the upscale, upper-class, urban liberal, and they don't care about anybody else anymore, so that's just what they're going to pander to? | ||
| I think that's exactly right. | ||
| You can see in the way that their stories are written that that's what they're trying to do. | ||
| I mean, if you read their stories in an NPR voice, it's exactly the same as listening to NPR. | ||
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Right? | |
| Well, there's a lot to say. | ||
| I mean, I could talk for an hour about this, but there's a lot to unpack here. | ||
| Well, so let's start from the beginning. | ||
| You were investigating, was it a story about Biden's daughter? | ||
| Ashley Biden's diary. | ||
| And by the way, most people don't know that Ashley Biden has a daughter named Ashley. | ||
| Joe Biden has a daughter named Ashley. | ||
| I'm sorry, Joe Biden has a daughter named Ashley. | ||
| And a source sent us this document, this diary. | ||
| And we looked into it. | ||
| I made the decision not to publish it because I couldn't verify with 100% certainty that it was hers. | ||
| I was like 99 or whatever percent, but I wasn't 100%. | ||
| And even if I could verify that it was Ashley Biden's diary, I couldn't verify what she wrote in the diary happened. | ||
| She talked about having inappropriate showers with her dad. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Does that mean that she's... Wow. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| And I felt like, you know, and by the way, This is the crazy part about this Twilight Zone dystopian series of events. | ||
| Someone sends me something. | ||
| I try to corroborate it. | ||
| I'm unable to. | ||
| And I say, well, let me try to give this back to her. | ||
| She wouldn't take it. | ||
| So I give it to law enforcement. | ||
| What more could a responsible, ethical journalist, let alone human being, do? | ||
| And that's the scary part. | ||
| What ought I have done? | ||
| What should I have done? | ||
| But then they raid me. | ||
| And people come to my home at 6am, I'm not a morning person, my first thought when they open up, my first thought was, sorry to bang on your table, but I'm a show person, is how much time do I have until they break the door down? | ||
| And I'm waking up, I'm pounding, I'm waking up and I'm thinking, okay, let me run to the door like in my underwear. | ||
| And then I go to open the door and then before I turn the door, I was like, are they going to shoot me? | ||
| How do I do this in a way where I don't get killed? | ||
| And I opened the door and there's all these bright lights and they put me in handcuffs. | ||
| Were you in your underwear? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, I'd just woken up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they throw me against the hallway wall outside my apartment. | ||
| My neighbors are, I mean, this is, I think I'm under arrest, but for what? | ||
| What have I done? | ||
| They actually arrest you and take you? | ||
| They put me in handcuffs and then eventually they showed me a search warrant. | ||
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Wow. | |
| On the search warrant it listed, I'm not making this shit up, accessory after the fact, and | ||
| misprison of a felony. | ||
| Accessory after the fact. | ||
| These are, these are, they haven't been charged with anything, but these are absurd insinuations | ||
| of a crime. | ||
| Again, if it's a crime to be sent a document which may or may not be stolen, then you might | ||
| as well jail all the journalists in America. | ||
| So there was a theory, James, what was happening here. | ||
| I mean obviously you made the right moves. | ||
| You went to the authorities. | ||
| You weren't sure so you didn't publish. | ||
| You did everything right here. | ||
| But they still decided to raid you and people are theorizing that they did this because there could have been federal agents that were the ones that originally sent you this diary to kind of set you up to get an excuse to get into your electronic devices because they knew potentially someone else was reaching out to you for a bigger story that they needed to stop. | ||
| That's one of the theories out there. | ||
| Do you think that's true? | ||
| Because every step of the way here the feds acted incorrectly. | ||
| I don't want to speculate. | ||
| I don't want to... That is a theory. | ||
| Is it a pretext? | ||
| Is it a form of intimidation? | ||
| I mean, even the New York Times reporter Mike Schmidt was, like, stumbling and bumbling and fumbling on MSNBC when asked, well, would they really raid the home if it wasn't actually by a diary? | ||
| A diary? | ||
| It's just so crazy, there's no answers. | ||
| Does that authenticate the diary then? | ||
| I would think so. | ||
| And that then implicates, well then you've got witness corroboration if the diary is true about inappropriate behaviors with children from President Joe Biden. | ||
| It wouldn't be the first time there have been these insinuations. | ||
| I've seen the videos. | ||
| I either. | ||
| Persistent sniffing. | ||
| James, I do want to say that I think you made the right decision in passing up on the contents of the diary when you were originally in possession of it. | ||
| What I tell young journalists and new journalists is that if you cannot 100% verify something, you don't report it out. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Even on even on that one percent of doubt. | ||
| And that means often you miss out on scoops that end up being accurate that other people pick up. | ||
| And it's unfortunate and it's disappointing when that happens. | ||
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But. | |
| I wish The New York Times had your standards. | ||
| I wish CNN and MSNBC. | ||
| Because they'll just say like, you know, source says. | ||
| I love when they'll say like a source close to Donald Trump's. | ||
| People familiar with the matter. | ||
| People familiar with Trump's thinking have said he wants to beat children or some insane nonsense. | ||
| The New York Times, Andy, the New York Times did a story about, they published the attorney-client memos, and a judge in New York has done an extraordinary act of telling them to sequester those attorney-client memos. | ||
| And the New York Times wrote a headline that said, Documents show how far deceptive reporting practices could go before running afoul of federal laws. | ||
| Do you know another way to say that? | ||
| We check with lawyers to make sure everything we were doing was legal. | ||
| But do you see how they worded it? | ||
| It's not so much that they lie, it's that they use this sort of, you have to like twist the newspaper article a little bit to know what they're saying. | ||
| They don't say what's false, they omit. | ||
| Well, so that statement's true, right? | ||
| But it's framing. | ||
| It's framing it in a very... It sounds like we skirted the law. | ||
| And that's the scariest part about this whole ordeal, because it was a little terrifying, is that what was I supposed to do? | ||
| You think, hindsight, right? | ||
| What more could we have done? | ||
| We even called, we even contacted the Biden campaign and tried to ask for comment, but the New York Times framed that as leverage. | ||
| We tried to leverage the dire. | ||
| And then Rachel Maddow said, we tried to extort the president. | ||
| So a request for comment becomes leverage, becomes extortion. | ||
| Do you see how the game is played? | ||
| And it's very terrifying at times. | ||
| I will say too, not to derail too much, but CNN's ratings are down 90%. | ||
| In the key demo, they barely get viewers at all. | ||
| It's probably just hotel lobbies. | ||
| So I don't know if that's any consolation. | ||
| It's probably not. | ||
| But when Rachel Maddow talks and these stories break, I don't know if it's going to matter in 5 or 10 years because they're losing. | ||
| Yes, but when you have a dying animal, they usually act the most violent right before they die. | ||
| Well, and that's what they're doing. | ||
| They're giving up all of their standards. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then when we look at, you know, the state, it is in a place that's extremely vulnerable. | ||
| The official story, the official narrative that they told us for two years now is breaking, shattering right in front of our face. | ||
| And then people are realizing, hey, we were lied to. | ||
| Throughout recorded human history, whenever there's pandemics, usually it leads to civil unrest. | ||
| So there's a big probability that this is going to happen here. | ||
| And I think they're trying to hit the mole with the hammer as much as they can. | ||
| There's a lot of moles popping up, but I think there's a lot of anger by the state. | ||
| Within minutes, the handcuffs were still, my wrists were still sore. | ||
| Within minutes of this happening, I got a text message from Mike Schmidt at the New York Times, national security reporter. | ||
| How the hell does he know? | ||
| This is the contents of a secret grand jury subpoena. | ||
| And why the hell are they leading me to the execution chamber? | ||
| I am on the same team as these people. | ||
| We are supposed to be speaking without fear or favor, which was the quote from Adolf Ochs, or whatever his name was, the founder of the New York Times. | ||
| I'll just mention, Project Veritas had one of the most important stories, probably of our generation, the ABC Amy Rohrbach story with Epstein. | ||
| Which contributed to this major investigation, which ultimately I think the Maxwell case is kind of being covered up. | ||
| We can get into that stuff, but Veritas, that's not partisan. | ||
| When you report on the story saying, this is a journalist saying, I had the interview, I had the story, and it didn't get out. | ||
| That was exposing powerful establishment elites, covering up a very serious scandal as an understatement. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| But why is the New York Times going after you? | ||
| You know, it's not just the New York Times. | ||
| I mean, it is all of these news outlets that falsely frame everything about Veritas in an effort to harm you when you're doing stories about, you know, powerful corporations. | ||
| And it's also social media. | ||
| Journalists should be on your side. | ||
| And it's also all the social media companies. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Have come after you, and they recently pulled one of your employees off as well. | ||
| Eric Spracklin is standing in the room with me. | ||
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Yeah, Eric, exactly. | |
| Although I will say, and I want Andy to get in here, but we've trended on Twitter almost every story we've done. | ||
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That's correct. | |
| The story we did last week on the Pentagon Papers, Department of Defense documents, which effectively are Pentagon Papers, trended number one on Twitter. | ||
| I'm banned on Twitter. | ||
| Project Veritas is banned on Twitter. | ||
| What do you think, Andy? | ||
| Well, it's not a side detail that an agent of the state is working with media organizations to be the first to break these stories that are extremely damaging where you know you don't have to be charged with any crimes. | ||
| It's the investigation and the reporting and media coverage on it that destroys reputations. | ||
| What happened to James here with how while he still have marks on his hand from the handcuffs that he's getting requests from the press for comment when nobody else knows about it. | ||
| Obviously agents of the state is working with the journalists and leaking information Similarly, when Roger Stone was arrested and CNN had been tipped off with the helicopter. | ||
| I think, I just, let's just say, you know, when you look at despotic regimes and tinpot democracies, like these are like characteristics of it. | ||
| I mean, this is disturbing and I don't, it surprises me that so much of the American public just kind of shrug their shoulders and, you know, praise these media organizations when I mean, I'm thinking right now, you know, with the state, you know, colluding with these big media companies to cover up malfeasance and corruption, it sounds fascistic. | ||
| And I just wish there was maybe some organization maybe that was called like something opposed to fascism, like no fascism, or maybe anti-fascism. | ||
| We'll call it anti-fuck for short. | ||
| And they would stand up to this kind of collusion between state | ||
| and massive powerful private enterprise. | ||
| Yeah, where's that at? | ||
| Where is the actual, and I know obviously, duh, we know anti-fascists, | ||
| but I'm like, where's the actual opposition from activists to say, you know, this is a bad thing? | ||
| Now, that being said, I will stress, James, you did get defended by some of these institutions | ||
| like the ACLU. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Because they crossed the line so far, even the ACLU was like, well, I guess we have to say | ||
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something. | |
| One of the things that the, I hate to put it in left-right terms | ||
| because increasingly this seems to be about good versus evil. | ||
| And I don't necessarily think those lines are clear, but the left tends to overplay their hand. | ||
| They tend to take it too far and it ends up biting them in the ass. | ||
| That was a beautiful moment when Ben Smith at the New York Times, and if Ben is watching this, Ben Smith, media columnist at the New York Times, defended me. | ||
| He was the first person. | ||
| This was a few days afterwards and he says journalists should not be cheerleading this. | ||
| If you look at that tweet, he got ratioed hardcore. | ||
| No, put that O'Keefe in jail. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They just want to jail their, and people will say, lock her up and all that. | ||
| Like, I feel like, are we so Manichaean that we need to jail people who disagree with us? | ||
| No. | ||
| But Ben defended me. | ||
| And after Ben did, he gave all these other people the permission to do so. | ||
| ACLU, you know, all these organizations. | ||
| And by the way, Ben Smith is leaving. | ||
| the New York Times. Why is he doing that? Great question. | ||
| And we can, I can also report to you that there's kind of a schism inside the New York Times. | ||
| Well, it's not the first time. I mean, the major schism happened when Tom Cotton's op-ed ran and | ||
| it destroyed the op-ed section of the New York Times. Barry Weiss left. That's right. The | ||
| whole newsroom got shaken up. | ||
| That was an insane thing that happened, that Tom Cotton saying that the federal government should intervene in cities and deal with the civil unrest that was happening. | ||
| It broke the New York Times. | ||
| It broke the New York Times. | ||
| And the editorial page editor, whose name escapes me, the one we released on a deposition tape? | ||
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Oh, James Bennett. | |
| James Bennett. | ||
| I have a posse, I have my entourage here. | ||
| We always travel with an entourage at Project Veritas. | ||
| James Bennett was actually a pretty moderate guy. | ||
| Yeah, he wasn't, yeah. | ||
| And they made him out to be a devil. | ||
| So I can report to you, because I have sources. | ||
| Anonymous sources? | ||
| Well, people I've covertly recorded I haven't released yet. | ||
| Who have told me there is a schism there. | ||
| But Tim, that was a beautiful moment in my life watching people who hate us. | ||
| I think there still is some principle. | ||
| There still is some overlap between the left and right in our society. | ||
| It's probably a bit reductive, or maybe simplistic, but there's two big camps when it comes to whatever's going out the establishment. | ||
| People who are willfully lying and manipulative for power, and people who are blindly going along and maybe just scared. | ||
| So there's probably a lot of people who saw what happened with the New York Times and Tom Cotton's op-ed, and they're like, I just want to get through this. | ||
| The problem I have with these people, it was Clifton Duncan tweeted, I'm probably going to screw it up, but he said that he's less concerned about those that are overtly engaged in malfeasance and evil, and he's more concerned about those who know what's going on but won't speak up. | ||
| I saw that too. | ||
| I thought that was really fascinating and made a lot of sense. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| Well, the New York Times are also being kind of eaten up by hedge funds and the people who truly own them. | ||
| I think this is why Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post. | ||
| Because people are understanding this quote by Lord Northcliffe when he said, quote, news is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress. | ||
| All the rest is advertising. | ||
| These people are buying advertising. | ||
| They're buying PR. | ||
| They're buying favors for themselves, literally trying to brainwash the American public so their agenda, their narrative will pass and clear no matter how absurd. | ||
| They still push these ideas because these ideas are way more important than even the money that they put into these institutions that they're losing. | ||
| What's so fascinating about that, though, is so we're at the Postmillennial. | ||
| We, you know, I kind of think of us as the antidote to fear, right? | ||
| We're not corporate. | ||
| We're a small outlet. | ||
| You know, Andy and I run stories there all the time. | ||
| And what's really interesting is that we're getting attacked. | ||
| You know, we get attacked by these activists who are saying that we are aligned with specific interests. | ||
| And we're not. | ||
| They're defending the big outlets, the big corporate media outlets that are aligned with specific interests. | ||
| And here we are just like, you know, covering news stories, covering what we think is interesting, trying to get the truth out there. | ||
| And they attack us for doing that. | ||
| Well, Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post in 2013, and after Google and Facebook snatched up most of these advertising models, hedge funds like Alden Global Capital, everything's been consolidated, newspapers are gone, investigative journalism is gone, ABC News cut their whole investigative bureau, and Jeff Bezos, in an extraordinary admission of the power of narrative amplified through big tech through his ownership of the Washington Post, said, quote, on a Medium post, My ownership of the Post is something I will be most proud of when I'm 90 and reviewing my life. | ||
| Not his Dr. Evil rocket ship company. | ||
| Not his Amazon company. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| His ownership of the Washington Post is his biggest achievement. | ||
| And I found that really amazing insight into the power of narrative. | ||
| I think the Washington Post and the New York Times, I may be giving them too much credit, are more powerful than all three branches of government. | ||
| Because government speaks through them. | ||
| Big tech prefers them and their algorithms. | ||
| Big tech doesn't do any journalism. | ||
| They just prefer, what do you think? | ||
| Wait, did Bezos say that before he became a spaceman? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| With his wiener rocket? | ||
| He's not proud of his wiener rocket? | ||
| Although he was formulating that. | ||
| But just one extra point here. | ||
| It's not just hedge funds. | ||
| It's not just Jeff Bezos. | ||
| It's also Bill Gates that donates hundreds of millions of dollars to the corporate media. | ||
| They don't need donations, but they willingly take it. | ||
| And with that money, of course, comes the narrative that they push. | ||
| If you're one of the higher-ups of these companies, and I've seen this first-hand, and you're looking at your bottom line, you don't care about the politics of the individual person writing stories. | ||
| You just don't want to lose money. | ||
| The guys who run the businesses don't care about news. | ||
| when I was at that ABC News company, that ABC Fusion, their attitude at the higher level | ||
| was what are we going to get clicks on? | ||
| So hire the people who write about the things you think will get clicks. | ||
| The marketing guys then said we got to do woke stuff, that's the way forward. | ||
| Okay, then hire young woke people and tell them to write about what they care about. | ||
| They didn't care if it was real, they didn't care. | ||
| I was told side with the audience, they said. | ||
| Side with the audience. | ||
| That means if there is a news story that is factual but would be offensive to the audience, we don't cover it. | ||
| That's the modern... Like I mentioned with the New York Times, or I should say, to quote, I think it was Bhatia Angarsargan, that the New York Times has found their audience. | ||
| They've said, screw everybody else, and that's what they're going for. | ||
| But that's what almost every organization does, especially right now. | ||
| I don't care who they are. | ||
| 90% of all media outlets are like, we've got an audience and we're going to cater to that audience. | ||
| And that's the inverse of what they ought to be doing. | ||
| There's a journalist named Clarence Jones, and he wrote about journalism, that journalistic publishers need to be like bosses with balls. | ||
| They need to have integrity. | ||
| At Veritas, we're a non-profit. | ||
| People say, what's your business model? | ||
| We have, you know, 800,000 people give us money, sometimes a dollar, sometimes $10,000. | ||
| But we choose the hardest stories, and we don't settle lawsuits. | ||
| And this is the real crux of this book, American Mockraker. | ||
| Secrecy. | ||
| Transparency. | ||
| We don't settle lawsuits, Tim, because I don't fear people inspecting my operation. | ||
| Please do depose me. | ||
| I like being deposed. | ||
| They don't like being deposed. | ||
| Because when they enter a discovery process of litigation, you can see all the lies under oath. | ||
| Did you guys know that Donald Trump at his rally in Arizona banned FJB icons in merchandise and shirts and all that stuff? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I got no problem. | ||
| We have that on TimCast.com. | ||
| We have a full report with the security guys telling people to take their shirts off, take their hats off. | ||
| You know, so people will say that, you know, this show or me or Trump supporters are right wing. | ||
| I think the SPLC was like Tim Pool is a right wing, you know, something or other who supports Trump. | ||
| And I'm like, uh, no, I just don't lie about him. | ||
| That's actually amazingly respectful of what Trump did. | ||
| I really respect that a lot. | ||
| Banning the FJB thing? | ||
| That he banned it. | ||
| And a lot of Trump supporters didn't like that. | ||
| A lot of Trump supporters didn't like that, but he had four years of people saying that to him as the president, and I think he probably knows how much that sucks to be like in charge of everything and have people keep saying like, You know, FDT at you all the time. | ||
| Yeah, but he said that he said this on the heels right after saying that it's hard to criticize Joe Biden because Joe Biden complimented him on all the work that he did with the vaccine. | ||
| But that's sort of a that's a different situation. | ||
| I mean, and also, let's not forget, like Donald Trump was a president. | ||
| He was holding executive office. | ||
| Has there ever been a president who's really worthwhile? | ||
| I mean, come on, like this is I think they should be criticized to the full extent. | ||
| I agree too. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| But I respect a former president saying don't say that about the current president. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| The important issue I guess I'm trying to get to is what the media is willing to say. | ||
| Who they're willing to criticize. | ||
| How often does CNN run, you know, Joe Biden has screwed this up, screwed that up, screwed this up? | ||
| They did, they, what was it, Trump's coverage was 98% negative? | ||
| And don't get me wrong, there is a lot of negative coverage about Joe Biden, and I think what happens is around August of last year, when we saw this flip in approval rating, Like you were mentioning, once someone says something, it makes it okay for the establishment or for the, you know, whatever you want to call it, democratic position, for the most part. | ||
| All of a sudden, people start ragging on Biden, and then we see some articles popping up where they're like, oh, okay, maybe there's something here. | ||
| But for the most part, the media is unwilling to step out of line with their own audience. | ||
| And some of that's economics, and some of that is because there's been a proximity to their sources. | ||
| They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. | ||
| And that's the difference between sort of the journalism that we're talking about in American Mockraker and their journalism is to represent, be the ombudsman for the so-called administrative state. | ||
| Our whistleblower's release information the administrative state does not want revealed. | ||
| That makes all the difference in the world. | ||
| When a two-star general talks to the New York Times anonymously, we don't know the cadence or intonation of what that—we don't know what that person is actually trying to say. | ||
| And now they throw out these terms misinformation and disinformation. | ||
| We've talked about the New York Times lawsuit that I'm embroiled in, which is fascinating, because the New York Times admitted Tim in the response to our defamation lawsuit. | ||
| They got the facts wrong, and they still haven't corrected the article. | ||
| They admit it in court. | ||
| They got it wrong. | ||
| The guy had more than three ballots. | ||
| They said it wasn't illegal. | ||
| They admitted in court it was, and the article remains online uncorrected. | ||
| Have there been any fact-checkers on this one? | ||
| Has the New York Times Facebook traffic been suppressed as a result? | ||
| The New York Times thinks they're above the law. | ||
| No, I'm sure. | ||
| I say, you know, Dean Bakke, famously, executive editor of the New York Times. | ||
| Dean Bakke says, we don't get religion. | ||
| New York Times thinks they're God. | ||
| Yes, they do. | ||
| Think of it. | ||
| They thought they were God for a very long time. | ||
| What force or organization on planet Earth can hold the New York Times accountable? | ||
| Can anyone? | ||
| They lie. | ||
| No one cares. | ||
| Google and Twitter prefer them in the algorithms. | ||
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| I sued them. | ||
| We sued them for defamation and won a victory. | ||
| And they still haven't corrected the article. | ||
| In fact, they're attacking the judge personally and viciously, which is something you shouldn't do, by the way. | ||
| I was surprised to see that, to be honest, because you're just going to make the judge rule against you. | ||
| But the New York Times is probably thinking, in the short term, yeah, we'll probably piss the judge off. | ||
| In the long term, he won't retain power. | ||
| And if it goes to the Court of Appeals, highest court in New York State, they don't care. | ||
| And if it goes to the Supreme Court and they lose, they'll say, Trump Court? | ||
| Think of it. | ||
| There's nothing that can hold them accountable. | ||
| And I think that they are more afraid than I am of them. | ||
| I know that to be true. | ||
| But this term misinformation, Tim, I think it's really about distrusting people to draw the acceptable conclusion based upon facts that are admittedly true. | ||
| I don't think it's about untrue facts anymore. | ||
| I think, look, let me pull up the story and get your thoughts on it. | ||
| This is ABC7. | ||
| Nearly half of Democrats say fines and prison time appropriate for questioning vaccines. | ||
| Just questioning them. | ||
| They also said there's, I believe, 45% would intern the unvaccinated, meaning they would take you to a designated isolated facility. | ||
| I think 59% were in favor of house arrest. | ||
| So when you see the alignment of the New York Times, when you see the media, when you see that there are this many people in this country who are willing to outright just arrest someone for speaking out against them, it kind of sounds like it's beyond just the media. | ||
| There's something deeply rotten expanding or growing within the core of the American psyche. | ||
| It's a core value. | ||
| It's the primary value of American society, which is part of the American founding. | ||
| I mean, this goes back to, you know, Cicero. | ||
| You have to have information to make informed decisions. | ||
| And that's the whole, that's why the First Amendment is first. | ||
| It's a cliche. | ||
| I question whether half of Democrats actually believe that. | ||
| I think that's probably, I'm skeptical about the amount of people the media is telling you actually believe. | ||
| What was the actual question on the poll? | ||
| I suppose that would be a good one to pull up. | ||
| We could definitely look that up, but I think the scarier aspect here is that a lot of these things that some of these Democrats are calling for are policies that are implemented already in other parts of the world, and Democrats and other establishment statists want to implement here in the United States. | ||
| 29%, according to this Rasmussen poll, Of Democrats supported to taking children away from ... people if they refuse to take the vaccine that's a policy ... that has already been instituted in some places in ... Canada when we talking about where we're talking about ... detaining people that's happening in Austria and ... Australia and in other parts around the world or ready so ... we have to understand that this slippery slope to ... dystopian total totalitarian nightmare crap hole society is. | ||
| Very close to happening because of this kind of echo chamber delusional thinking that's being perverse by the corporate media So what I see happening is that there are very evil people like James mentioned earlier It's a battle between good and evil who know full well what they're doing and what their plans are they want to lock you up They want to take away your rights and they're lying about you on perfect on purpose Gleefully willfully and we're having a fairness battle. | ||
| I don't think that they're going to win. | ||
| I'm actually quite hopeful everyone's cynical and And it pisses me off. | ||
| I mean, I talk about this too in this book, a chapter called Propaganda. | ||
| Consent must be informed, not manufactured. | ||
| All serious theories of democracy were republic, which is also a democracy, including the economic theory hinge on the notion that voters have reliable access to information. | ||
| I think technology allows us to do that. | ||
| Again, let me remind your audience. | ||
| I am banned on Twitter. | ||
| My organization's banned on Twitter. | ||
| And our story was the number one trending story in the world. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because of the information that we released. | ||
| Documents inside the Department of Defense, DARPA, a Marine Corps major fellow at the Department of Defense, wrote about this COVID and wrote about the fact that It was too risky for the Department of Defense to approve what was going on. | ||
| And that story, it was about the strength of the information. | ||
| And I believe that human nature is such that if people are able to see it for themselves, first-hand participant journalism, not second-hand anonymous sources, I think we're going to prevent society's collapse by continuing to do that journalism. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think it's working. | ||
| I mentioned this with, you know, CNN and MSNBC having a ratings collapse. | ||
| Getting back to the darkness of this when we see this poll from Rasmussen, I do think it's fair to point out that maybe it's a bad poll from Rasmussen. | ||
| Maybe the questions aren't right, but who knows? | ||
| But I will say this. | ||
| Kamala Harris was raising money through Twitter to bail out rioters in 2020, some of the most extreme riots I've ever seen. | ||
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| In Minneapolis. | ||
| But not only that, but I mean, the riots were across the country. | ||
| So when we're seeing some of the worst riots we've seen in 50 years, maybe, and I talk to people about the potential for civil conflict, civil unrest, or whatever, and they say, oh, it's not that bad. | ||
| It's because we're frogs in a pot that are boiling. | ||
| Andy, you report on this stuff. | ||
| You expose who these violent extremists are. | ||
| The media lies about you. | ||
| All of these different institutions lie about you. | ||
| They make things up. | ||
| There is... I don't know how you describe it. | ||
| I call it a cult. | ||
| They are in line with each other, but it's not like they actively collude at a national level where like a message goes out and say, everyone, say Andy knows, you know, wrong. | ||
| They just all do it. | ||
| Yeah, I was quite naive in 2019 before I became more of a well-known figure and I was just a regional person in the Pacific Northwest. | ||
| After my assault in the summer of 2019, that punches, kicks, and the milkshakes, the hospitalization for the traumatic brain injury, I was naive enough at the time that I thought the media organizations would be out to support me. | ||
| I remember Jake Tapper, I believe, was one of the very few center-left journalists who issued a tweet that condemned what happened to me, and I really appreciated that. | ||
| So much blowback that he ended up deleting that. | ||
| Wow, really? | ||
| And then all the hit pieces came out in a way that seemed sort of coordinated and James can speak to this and I was watching kind of in real time with in fascination at how they can destroy someone's reputation. | ||
| There was initial outpouring support for me, so then what happened was a local blog in Portland interviewed somebody and gave this person a pseudonym. | ||
| So I have no idea who this person is. | ||
| He accused me of being in collaboration with this far-right group in Portland. | ||
| So one, I couldn't confront my accuser. | ||
| Legally, I couldn't do anything either. | ||
| We don't even know the identity of this person, so we can't even write a cease and desist letter. | ||
| And then this damning story and headline, which is false, that was published in Portland Mercury. | ||
| They never reached out to me for comment, by the way. | ||
| It was then repeated in other publications like Slate and Vox, etc, etc. | ||
| And then that is cited in your Wikipedia. | ||
| And then when somebody Googles you who doesn't know who you are, that's the first thing they see. | ||
| And that is your reputation. | ||
| I wonder how long it's gonna last, though. | ||
| You know, they go after Joe Rogan, the most popular podcast in the world. | ||
| And the stupidest thing you can do is lie about Joe, because the 11 million people on average who watch his show, the 50 million who've seen some of his biggest shows, the people who are fans of MMA and know him, or who just watch his Netflix stand-up, they see this story and they go, yeah, that's not true. | ||
| And all of a sudden, you lie about someone as popular as Joe, and people start waking up. | ||
| And now we're starting to see it, we're seeing a major shift. | ||
| This poll came out, Gallup released this, one of the most credible polling institutions, that as of the fourth quarter of 2021, more people identify as Republican or Republican-leaning than Democrat for the first time since I believe it was 1991. | ||
| There actually may have been a period around the 2000s where it was fairly even between the two, but this is a gap now of five points, right? | ||
| I'm not saying Republicans are the right answer. | ||
| Or that, you know, Democrats are always the wrong answer. | ||
| But regular people are looking at the establishment. | ||
| They're associating it with one side of the political spectrum and saying, I don't want to have anything to do with that. | ||
| Well, it's not just Joe. | ||
| It's Joe also influencing people like Dana White, influencing people like Aaron Rodgers that are going out there and speaking these larger truths. | ||
| And some people would say breaking the mass psychosis, the mass formation psychosis that, of course, the corporate media in unison tells us doesn't exist. | ||
| As of course the Financial Times literally calls for psyops, as of course even the Canadian Joint Operations Command even admittedly said that they have relied on propaganda techniques used in Afghanistan with COVID because they saw it as a unique opportunity to test out their propaganda techniques on the general public. | ||
| You know what you were saying about Joe Rogan, that's why they try and silence him. | ||
| That's why these doctors and researchers and scientists came out to try and Not fair to call them that. | ||
| What? | ||
| Not fair to call them the doctors anymore. | ||
| Because the list had like a campus farmer on it. | ||
| Oh, a campus farmer. | ||
| It was less than a hundred medical doctors, some of them not even practicing. | ||
| Did they have a PhD? | ||
| And like a dentist. | ||
| Okay, so the letter written by a bunch of hacks, a few of whom claim to be doctors apparently. | ||
| You know, they're going after Joe Rogan, they're going after all of these people because they don't understand that the American people can see lies, that they can see, you know, these falsehoods that are being forced upon them. | ||
| And, you know, Americans go after the truth. | ||
| That's one of, I think, our characteristics. | ||
| I want to go back to what Andy was saying, because you're talking to a man here who has effectively suffered. | ||
| I think that's fair to say in some form or another. | ||
| This is traumatic. | ||
| I will speak personally. | ||
| I suffered a kind of a form of PTSD after my New Orleans incarceration. | ||
| And I was reminded of that. | ||
| After the FBI raid, at least for a day or two, I did. | ||
| People say, are you scared? | ||
| Well, of course, you're human. | ||
| I mean, I've pretty much removed most of my desire to be liked by these people. | ||
| I'm almost down to completely zero. | ||
| I'm never going to be fully zero, because I'd be a sociopath if I was zero. | ||
| But I just want to talk a little about that for a minute, because it's a theme that I think is very important to discuss here, because it is a prerequisite for being effective. | ||
| You know, I wrote about this, that this is an age where the loss of one's Twitter account is treated like the loss of one's life. | ||
| Imagine if everyone watching this did not care if they took away the Twitter account. | ||
| What impact could they have on you? | ||
| Your reputation? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Your Wikipedia page? | ||
| Taking away, deplatforming you? | ||
| But the moment you stop worrying about that and you don't let that handcuff you, pun intended, is the moment you're actually able to actually be free to do the things and do the journalism. | ||
| And I know what it's like. | ||
| I articulate this in words better than I can off the cuff. | ||
| No one can deprive me of my reputation or Andy of your reputation. | ||
| They've already been deprived. | ||
| We've already been deprived of that by by declarations from credible journalists. | ||
| That's not credible journalists. | ||
| How are these journalists credible? | ||
| They're credible by virtue of the decree that they are indeed credible because they say so. | ||
| And to see that happen, it's traumatizing. | ||
| It can make an otherwise confident man question your own perception of reality. | ||
| In the beginning it did. | ||
| In the beginning of my journey, I questioned my own perception of reality. | ||
| But once you get through that and get through the other side of it, which I think you have, I think any survivor of that sort of abuse develops superpowers. | ||
| Like, you're a stronger man than you were, you're a better journalist than you were, and you're wiser than you were. | ||
| And what I've learned is the moment you... I've said this to you before. | ||
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| It's a cliche. | ||
| The moment you really stop caring about what Wikipedia thinks of you and what Jack Dorsey thinks of you... They've already taken away our Twitter accounts. | ||
| Eric lost his this week. | ||
| We have no more Twitter accounts. | ||
| We're still trending on Twitter. | ||
| Well, Jack's gone. | ||
| For all you know, he actually likes you. | ||
| Jack is a metonym for whoever the CEO is. | ||
| But the moment you stop giving a shit about what they think about you is the moment you're free. | ||
| Oh yeah, it was a magic moment. | ||
| I remember during Occupy Wall Street, I got a big surge of followers on Twitter. | ||
| And with that, a big surge of people saying really mean things to me. | ||
| And it was the first time I'd ever experienced a wave of hundreds and thousands, hundreds to thousands of people just saying the nastiest fake things about me. | ||
| And for a minute, I kind of freaked out. | ||
| I was like, what does this mean for me? | ||
| What is this going to be? | ||
| What is it going to do? | ||
| Am I going to be able to keep doing this? | ||
| Am I going to be able to work? | ||
| And then went to bed and woke up, made some food, had some bacon, watched some TV, and then I was like, nothing's happening. | ||
| It gives you tough skin. | ||
| But nothing happened. | ||
| Bacon helps a lot of things though. | ||
| It does, it's true. | ||
| But I'm just like, I'm living my life like normal. | ||
| And then after a little while, I was like, I just figured something out. | ||
| I can turn off the notifications. | ||
| And then it doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| And there we are. | ||
| Now I just don't have notifications turned on. | ||
| Why listen to these people? | ||
| And being offended is a choice. | ||
| People need to understand that if someone is attacking you, if you're giving them power in that by reacting to it, you're playing into their games. | ||
| And I think a lot of us in this room have dealt with a lot of crazy stuff. | ||
| Me and Tim had to deal with the police raid as well. | ||
| Guns in the face, everything. | ||
| I was arrested. | ||
| I was beat up. | ||
| Andy, you were beat up. | ||
| Tim, you were jumped. | ||
| I think, James, you went through your stuff. | ||
| The amount of craziness that we have to deal with, we have to understand, is nothing new. | ||
| This is something that, of course, the people who don't like the bigger truths exposed, usually those are the techniques they use against effective people exposing them. | ||
| Look what happened to MLK. | ||
| Look how the FBI treated him. | ||
| The FBI literally spied on him. | ||
| They got tapes of him. | ||
| They sent him letters trying to get him to commit suicide. | ||
| And this is the Federal Bureau of Investigations decades ago going after people who are changing society. | ||
| And I would argue that the world is round. | ||
| And that catches up with the bad guys. | ||
| Yes, they did all those things to him. | ||
| And it is Martin Luther King Day. | ||
| But as Martin Luther King said, the arc of the moral universe bends. | ||
| Long, but it bends towards justice. | ||
| So the bad guys don't get, I've seen in my life, these bad guys, it always catches up to them. | ||
| You have to get away with it for a little while. | ||
| But right? | ||
| So we talked a bit about law enforcement, FBI going after you, James, but I'm interested to hear from you, Andy. | ||
| You're dealing with a different kind of bad guy. | ||
| You're dealing with Extremist organizations that are really angry you've been exposing a lot of their people and their violent groundwork, we can call it. | ||
| Not only are you dealing with these people making up lies about you, posting constantly, but physically attacking you and threatening you. | ||
| So I'm interested in this perspective, your take on journalism. | ||
| We've heard from James on the institutional powers, but what's happening with groups like Antifa and these other far-left extremists targeting you? | ||
| Well, crucially, what makes them particularly empowered is that the narratives that they are able to spread in the mainstream press haven't really been challenged. | ||
| You see it every day. | ||
| So the various riots that happened after Trump were elected were treated essentially as peaceful protests of people reacting in anger against his election win. | ||
| Rather than as people who were rejecting and using violence to voice their opposition to the electoral process. | ||
| You're saying there was an insurrection among the far left in DC where they smashed windows and set limousines on fire and were attacking people? | ||
| Yeah, so the language really matters, right? | ||
| Yeah, language really matters. | ||
| Pay attention to what is described as a peaceful protest, mostly peaceful protest, versus insurrection, right? | ||
| It's not, the differences are, that contrast is intentional. | ||
| And Antifa rely on allies in the press because obviously what they do would be unpalatable for the majority of the public if the public was accurately informed. | ||
| You know, those wanton acts of arson, maiming and injuries of other people, killing people, carrying out terrorist attacks such as attacks on government buildings, government facilities, police stations, trying to derail trains. | ||
| They actually did derail train, didn't they? | ||
| Yeah, there were two convictions last year in Washington state and that claim. | ||
| Where is the, I'm sorry, I started to talk, but where is CNN headline breaking New York Times front page, far left extremist derail train? | ||
| I mean, that didn't happen. | ||
| They didn't, they didn't talk about it. | ||
| It was an attempted derailing. | ||
| Attempted derailing. | ||
| Derailing. | ||
| But which, you know, the charges was under the anti-terrorism statutes in the federal law. | ||
| So there were two young women. | ||
| The claim of responsibility was posted on this far left extremist group site called It's Going Down, which was banned by Facebook, by the way, last year, still operates openly on Twitter. | ||
| A Trump supporter could fart in DC and it becomes a headline story. | ||
| Extremists attempt to derail a train. | ||
| What were they doing? | ||
| They were pouring concrete or something like that? | ||
| I don't want to get into too much detail, but they were trying to sabotage train tracks, which can cause not only excessive property damage, but could kill people. | ||
| That's the craziest thing about it. | ||
| That is an attempt to kill and the amount of damage from derailing these trains, as much as many people on the left don't like to get into the economics of it, it could cause people great suffering in terms of not being able to eat. | ||
| There are poor people who rely on food coming in and resources from local governments to help them. | ||
| This level of disruption could have literally killed people directly involved in the train and then have massive repercussions for the poor and the suffering in these cities. | ||
| No news coverage. | ||
| Where is it? | ||
| Where's the big story? | ||
| Where's the national conversation? | ||
| Where's CNN to go out and be like, this is insane. | ||
| These conversations, it doesn't happen. | ||
| Yeah, well, the point you're making is sometimes by not reporting, you are reinforcing a particular narrative. | ||
| And that's what happens. | ||
| And there are so few people who are focused on the Antifa beat that it makes the few of us who do it really subjected to actual violence, continued threats of violence and threats of violence against our family. | ||
| And if you happen to live in a city that I lived in, Portland, Oregon, where in my view, the rule of law is compromised, police departments don't have the resources to respond. | ||
| and the local government is so corrupt that they express support for these extremists, | ||
| then you have essentially a sort of approval from state actors. | ||
| Why do you think that other outlets and other journalists don't want to cover these guys? | ||
| Because a few journalists who have, who are from establishment press, experience what | ||
| it's like to be suddenly targeted online. | ||
| So you think it's a fear thing? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They don't want to do it because they're afraid. | ||
| It's also an ideological thing, I think. | ||
| For lack of a better word, communism. | ||
| Communists don't want to breach discipline. | ||
| For it to do so would be an act of blasphemy. | ||
| Like when Jake Tapper takes his tweet down. | ||
| Why did he do that? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
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| Where's the principle? | ||
| I tweet stupid things all the time and get mocked for it. | ||
| I just leave them up. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'll delete something if I tweet it right away and there's a typo or a word is not phrased properly. | ||
| But I get people being like, ah, your tweet's so dumb. | ||
| I'm like, eh, whatever. | ||
| I said it. | ||
| This is the challenge of our brave new world. | ||
| They will inflict almost any type of injustice for their cause. | ||
| It defies reason. | ||
| It defies logic. | ||
| And I have respect, I mean this in kind of a dark way. | ||
| I have so much respect for them. | ||
| I just got interviewed in a Christian magazine earlier today, and they wanted advice. | ||
| I'm like, grow a pair of balls. | ||
| You guys love going to church, but beyond praying, what the hell are you doing? | ||
| The communists have faith, and it's a faith that they live or die by. | ||
| They're willing to give up their lives for their cause. | ||
| Are they really? | ||
| Who? | ||
| I mean, they're willing to burn down buildings? | ||
| They're willing to burn down buildings, but they're not willing to give up their lives. | ||
| Some of them may. | ||
| Some of them may. | ||
| Giving up their lives, maybe they're willing to be incarcerated? | ||
| I mean, history is replete with examples. | ||
| Well, I'm talking about recently. | ||
| So, I mean, if we look at, for example, protests at the Capitol, for example, I was talking to an attorney, Marina Medven, who represents, you guys probably know who she is, represents some January 6th protesters or rioters, whatever you want to say and there's this rabbi who she's representing who is | ||
| being charged with parading and it's a misdemeanor and her argument he's you | ||
| know they're trying to sentence him to all this long prison term well longer than | ||
| necessary like six I don't know some days prison term and her argument is that | ||
| people who were arrested for protesting in the capital against Brett Kavanaugh | ||
| got a $50 Yeah. | ||
| So why is this rabbi getting like this excessive sentence and excessive fine when he was in there for less time for like five minutes and left? | ||
| Because it's a cult. | ||
| It's obvious that the machine is slanted in one direction. | ||
| We've all said it in a variety of ways. | ||
| The institutions are protecting one side and demonizing the other. | ||
| But in terms of what James was saying... That protester who got charged $50, she knows she's not going to have to give up her life. | ||
| She knows she's only going to have to give up $50. | ||
| The leftists know that they have legal resources behind them. | ||
| The right doesn't have that. | ||
| They have the National Lawyers Guild behind them. | ||
| So they don't have to give up their ears. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| They're given trainings on what to do. | ||
| They're willing to do this. | ||
| They're willing to sacrifice each other. | ||
| They're willing to a certain degree to sacrifice themselves. | ||
| Now, many of them may not think they're going to lose their lives completely, but they enter these positions. | ||
| I've been to these meetings. | ||
| Luke and I were at a big meeting in France, and they say to everyone outright, you could end up in prison for the rest of your lives and charged with terrorism. | ||
| And they say, okay. | ||
| So when I see a dude working at Taco Bell, It's the revolutionary heart of communism, I think. | ||
| and his manager says take the mask off because the black lives matter thing get | ||
| a new one or you're fired and he says then fire me the far left screams they make demands and | ||
| Taco Bell backs down and says we're sorry the right does nothing they do nothing | ||
| it's the revolutionary heart of communism I think it's the power to | ||
| to act upon their convictions and I think history is replete with | ||
| accounts of this Whitaker Chambers wrote about it. | ||
| Douglas Hyde wrote about it. | ||
| He converted from communism to Catholicism. | ||
| There's a lot of examples of people. | ||
| It's at the heart of their, for lack of a better word, religion. | ||
| And I think they're willing to act upon their ideals. | ||
| And from my perspective, I think we can learn from their faith. | ||
| to act not break the law but not worry about being shamed in some regards the modern day | ||
| equivalent of giving up your your lively life livelihood you're giving up your livelihood | ||
| yeah we and your reputation yeah and your and your account they don't care we had darren beat | ||
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| thinks that the right and i'm probably i'm paraphrasing but i think the general idea was | ||
| the right is actually more prone to cancel culture than the left because the right has more people | ||
| scared of the mainstream opinion against them. | ||
| So they're willing to tell people who are either to the right of center or, you know, who are more conservative, traditional conservative, They're not going to defend them. | ||
| And you see this in Congress, even. | ||
| Marjorie Taylor Greene gets condemned and booted off her committee assignments because the Republican Party panics. | ||
| Meanwhile, Ilhan Omar can say whatever she wants. | ||
| Yeah, that's a problem. | ||
| And then Donald Trump just wants to be liked by the New York Times. | ||
| He wants to be liked by the corporate institutions. | ||
| And that kind of train of thinking, you know, it's not going to achieve anything. | ||
| There are Republicans who care more about the opinion of the New York Times than the opinion of their own constituents. | ||
| That is exactly the point. | ||
| And until they stop caring, they can't be effective. | ||
| And it comes down to the faith. | ||
| I've been saying this for years, and I don't know how else to say it. | ||
| It sounds like a cliché, but the moment the Republican Party stops being humiliating, you give them that power. | ||
| We give them that power. | ||
| That's not a power they have. | ||
| It's only a power if you give it to them. | ||
| And the moment you stop caring and you stop giving them, then you're free to actually do it, but they won't. | ||
| Because a lot of the people in the Republican Party aren't there for the right reasons. | ||
| You want to know why they don't like you, James? | ||
| Because you changed the news cycle. | ||
| How is the news cycle set? | ||
| The New York Times, CNN, these big companies decide there's a big story, and then people in politics try and jump on it to address the issue. | ||
| And I wonder that sometimes. | ||
| I'm like, how is it? | ||
| That the New York Times just decides to run a headline story and all of a sudden that's what we're talking about. | ||
| But something interesting happens with Veritas. | ||
| You report a story and it trends number one on Twitter, all of a sudden they're forced to address it and they don't like doing that. | ||
| I want to get even deeper on you. | ||
| This is a Daily Beast headline by Lloyd Grove and they tried to do this shame crap with me. | ||
| They tried to get me to, I'm so sorry, I apologize, I shouldn't have done... | ||
| And the headline reads, it's impossible to shame James O'Keefe. | ||
| That's a badge of honor right there. | ||
| Do you understand we should frame this and put it in our bathroom at headquarters? | ||
| Do you understand now how the game is played? | ||
| The whole point The whole point is to shame you. | ||
| That's their modus operandi. | ||
| And here's what's scary. | ||
| When they couldn't shame you, the FBI shows up. | ||
| When they couldn't shame Andy, they found him in the street and they beat him up. | ||
| Well, they're running out of arrows, aren't they? | ||
| Because how do you exceed... Do you know how aggressive it is for the FBI to execute a search warrant against an American journalist? | ||
| They're scared. | ||
| The Attorney General of the United States expressly forbids it. | ||
| in a memo by Merrick Garland in July. | ||
| You do not execute search warrants against journalists, particularly for this issue. | ||
| They probably broke the law. | ||
| And doesn't that show kind of a bit of desperation? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I wonder if there's something else we don't know yet. | ||
| The FBI maybe got worried that you had a whistleblower with some information, and the only way they could figure out what stories you were working on was to drum up some fake search warrant to get access to your documents. | ||
| Well, the problem with that strategy is that most of my employees I'm the CEO of the company. | ||
| I do some reporting, but not all. | ||
| Most of our employees are the ones with sources. | ||
| And they didn't take their phones. | ||
| Well, they don't know what to do. | ||
| I think they're panicked. | ||
| They're desperate. | ||
| We can see it, like you mentioned, Libby, how they're going after these January 6th guys with extreme charges relative to what the left has done. | ||
| And we had an insurrection in 2017. | ||
| Luke and I were there on the ground. | ||
| We saw conspiracy charges against all of these black-clad individuals who were smashing windows, setting fires. | ||
| And most of them just got let go. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| They couldn't hold any charges against them. | ||
| Well, and that goes on in so many of these cities that are Democrat-run, and they've just taken that strategy, and they're using it all over the place. | ||
| Gascon and the DA in LA does this catch-and-release thing. | ||
| That's not working. | ||
| The new DA in New York has promised to do something very similar. | ||
| It's going to make the city that is crumbling even worse. | ||
| In New York, just really quickly, in New York, there was activists being arrested for eating without a Vax Pass, eating without permission from the government, when a woman was murdered yards away from from the police is prioritizing vaccine domestic passports | ||
| over literal murders that happen and this is happening under the | ||
| Eric Adams administration that promised campaigned to be tough | ||
| on crime and this is happening in the city right now it's absolutely ridiculous. Well they also promised to be tough | ||
| on vaccine mandates and they've continued that as well. To the | ||
| extent where people are literally being thrown in front of trains. Well they're not doing anything I mean they're | ||
| arresting you know who don't have people have been permission | ||
| People have been being thrown in front of trains for some time. | ||
| That's actually not new in the city, although it is horrifying and terrifying. | ||
| The crime is up. | ||
| Crime is up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's a disaster. | ||
| It's a disaster, for sure. | ||
| It's so interesting. | ||
| Andy and I were talking about this earlier, that so many of these cities that are Democrat-run What was our conversation? | ||
| I feel like I'm blanking, but we were talking about that. | ||
| By mid-December, there were a dozen cities in America that had surpassed its historical record on homicides and murders, Portland being one of them, and there were 11 others. | ||
| This was just mid-December. | ||
| I'm not sure if there were, by then, you know, the end of 2021, if there were More than that, it's a direct consequence that will be felt for years and years of the political and social changes in our culture after George Floyd died. | ||
| Right, and it's like social justice initiatives are not going to make cities safer, it turns out. | ||
| It's just going to make it worse for the very people that you're claiming to try and protect. | ||
| But I wonder if that's, you know, these people aren't trying to protect anybody. | ||
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| Well, they're trying to protect themselves and the people who read the New York Times. | ||
| I think it's worse than that. | ||
| They're trying to protect criminals. | ||
| I think it's worse than that. | ||
| It's the chaos that destroys the system that allows them to exploit it. | ||
| They're letting people out of prisons because it creates crime. | ||
| They're setting forth these policies that are making everyone's lives genuinely worse and more chaotic. | ||
| Then as everything gets crazy, they come out and say, we're the solution, give us the power. | ||
| They enact policies that destroy the system and then tell you they're the only solution. | ||
| Yes, they do do that. | ||
| And then they enact further policies that continue to destroy things. | ||
| Yes, I think they do do that is another good way to say it, too, because these policies are utter crap. | ||
| Yeah, they don't make sense. | ||
| They come out and often by decree. | ||
| Yeah, they're pushing these policies. | ||
| And of course, we've had we've had nothing but rule by decree for the past two years, right? | ||
| These executive orders have got to stop the emergency powers that have been given. | ||
| to governors and mayors have got to end. The people need their representation. In New York | ||
| City we're being mandated without representation at this point. You know it's like some stamp act | ||
| bullshit is what we've got going on. They're mandating you guys get three vaxes now or is it | ||
| still two? It's still the two but you know. But cases are through the roof anyway. | ||
| And there's room on those vax cards for a whole bunch of more crap that they can inject us with. | ||
| That's what the conspiracy theorists are saying. | ||
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| This doesn't make any sense. | ||
| And the conspiracy theorists are saying it's not just going to be two, it's going to be a lot more. | ||
| I keep getting into arguments with people too about whether or not my child should be vaccinated. | ||
| And I'm like, He's been exposed to COVID 500 million times. | ||
| He's tested negative 500 million times. | ||
| He was around me when I got COVID. | ||
| He was around his dad when his dad got COVID. | ||
| He keeps being fine. | ||
| Like, if he's fine, what do we need this for? | ||
| So many kids are fine. | ||
| They're requiring five-year-olds not only be vaccinated but also wear a face mask. | ||
| Just to go to, you know, like whatever, the Olive Garden in Times Square, which I don't know why anyone wants to go there, but still, anywhere to go to the Met. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| Have any of the politicians or activists who demanded that police be defunded apologized that their project resulted in historical numbers of black and brown people and vulnerable people dying in urban areas? | ||
| They just ignore that fact. | ||
| They ignore it. | ||
| We saw that video where the two Antifa women are vandalizing the property and two young black women say, why are you doing this? | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| We don't want this. | ||
| We're doing it to help you. | ||
| We're helping you. | ||
| It's like, no, you're not. | ||
| You're destroying our community. | ||
| I'll tell you that story. | ||
| When I was in Ferguson, when the young black men linked arms to defend the liquor store, Where Michael Brown had stolen the cigarillos. | ||
| And they were interviewed by Al Jazeera. | ||
| And they said, these people looting and raiding our stores don't live here, man. | ||
| But you know what we end up seeing? | ||
| From, I think it was the New Republic, I can't remember which outlet it was, so forgive me if it wasn't, but in defense of looting. | ||
| That's what they called it. | ||
| As people who live in the community were begging for the violence to stop, and outside forces were exploiting it and burning down their buildings, prominent left-wing activist media said it was a good thing. | ||
| Yeah, it was revolution, and I'm like, the people who live there aren't doing this. | ||
| I'm glad you brought that up. | ||
| NPR did a very glowing interview with the author of that book. | ||
| Vicki Osterweil. | ||
| Yes, that's correct. | ||
| And this is why narrative is important, because when the mainstream left essentially puts out this, is platforming people who are arguing in support of violent extremism and criminality, That shifts the whole Overton window and I think we've seen that very clearly. | ||
| We've seen that slowly in the last six years in the opinion sections of the New York Times. | ||
| I mean they publish some really awful things like I'm still disturbed by that one piece of the the parent asking if his black child should have white friends. | ||
| Yeah that was really upsetting. | ||
| That was the Charles Blow story I think wasn't it? | ||
| I don't recall. | ||
| Yeah, that shifts. | ||
| And we've seen, you know, as all that violence was happening in 2020, where it wasn't just property destruction, we had at least 26 people who died as a result. | ||
| And there were peripheral deaths too. | ||
| So there were some instances where people died indirectly as a result of the riots, like roads being closed, ambulances being blocked, things like that. | ||
| And then you had the overt murders, people like David Dorn, who were just killed in these riots. | ||
| Reporting that I will always give a shout out to Michael Tracy where he actually drove to these small towns It was it was it was a cow and Yanka. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| It was what for what that was the author? | ||
| Yeah author. | ||
| I had it wrong. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Can my children be friends with white? | ||
| Michael Tracy went, he drove across the country and he went to these very small towns and he saw boarded up windows, spray paint saying, please don't hurt us, things like that. | ||
| Spare our school. | ||
| Oh, I saw myself in, so I was in the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, CHAZ, in Seattle. | ||
| This is where... | ||
| BLM, far-left extremists, and Antifa took over six blocks of a major American city, created a hard border, and had people with guns guarding these checkpoints. | ||
| You know, it was allowed to go on three weeks, people died there. | ||
| On the wind, and this was a really heavily densely populated area, the businesses on there had signs that said, black-owned business, Asian-owned business, person of color-owned business. | ||
| As sort of these, I mean, it seems really kind of like medieval, right? | ||
| It's like, please, please don't harm us because every inch of that entire six boxes vandalized. | ||
| I have to wonder, you know, we often talk about civil war or civil unrest or whatever, in I guess a funny twist or whatever, or however you want to describe it, when Luke was reading about post-pandemic civil unrest is when we got swatted. | ||
| So I'm curious, Luke, if we never actually, I don't think I have to flesh out what was going on with that. | ||
| As we're looking at what happened with CHAZ and with Minnesota and with all this stuff, I think there's a real possibility that not only was it were we already likely to see civil unrest because of the pandemic lockdowns, but you add to this the fact that Black Lives Matter rhetoric and writing over the past few years has never been checked. | ||
| It has never been held to account. | ||
| I think that's going to lead to something, you know, substantial. | ||
| Especially when you consider the economic factors that are also adding a lot of stress to the entire system with people finding it harder and harder just to find commonly household used items. | ||
| The store shelves are also being emptied, not just because of the winter storm, but because of the global supply chain shortages and the problems that have started that we still haven't felt the full effects of. | ||
| So when you combine all of that and the historical pretext for unrest when it comes to pandemics, This is a recipe for disaster, especially at the state that the United States is in right now, with what people are calling a decline of an empire. | ||
| There's a lot of things coming together all at once, but it's a storm that's absolutely dangerous to be in. | ||
| The BLM riots and the Antifa riots, it wasn't that they were only unchecked. | ||
| They were encouraged, and those rioters were encouraged to flout COVID restrictions. | ||
| So I remember in June 2020. | ||
| Just a real quick interjection. | ||
| Actually, it was one article said that they actually reduced the spread of COVID. | ||
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| No joke. | ||
| No joke. | ||
| They reported that. | ||
| Well, Andrew Cuomo said and Bill de Blasio said that if contract tracers spoke to people who had been protesting for social justice, they were not to ask them if they had been, you know, not to ask people, have you been doing this in order to help the contract tracing? | ||
| But it was in June of 2020 that there was a 10,000 person protest outside of the Brooklyn Museum of Art in Brooklyn. | ||
| 10,000 people out protesting to end violence against black trans people. | ||
| And this was, the mayor said, this was more important than COVID restrictions. | ||
| And it was literally at that moment. | ||
| I was already sort of done with this pandemic in May. | ||
| I can't, you know, whatever. | ||
| And then at that moment, I was like, and everything you have said and everything you are now going to say is a complete and total fabrication. | ||
| It's fully a lie. | ||
| As soon as there's 10,000 people allowed to hang out outside the Brooklyn Museum and protest, you know, supporting black trans lives. | ||
| And me and my kid can't go to the movies and we can't go to the Met and we can't do anything. | ||
| Everything you were thoroughly discredited. | ||
| 100% discredited. | ||
| The government entirely. | ||
| In New York State and in the city. | ||
| I think I remember watching de Blasio on the corporate media. | ||
| I think it was CNN. | ||
| What a shyster. | ||
| Announcing, hey, we're going to restrict this. | ||
| You can't go to the movies. | ||
| You can't go to the supermarket. | ||
| You can't eat at restaurants. | ||
| You can't do this, this, and this. | ||
| And then he was asked, what about the protest? | ||
| He's like, Oh, they're justified. | ||
| How? | ||
| And it was probably a bunch of these same stupid doctors and researchers and scientists who wrote the Rogan letter, who penned that letter saying that racial justice protests are reasonable reason to not adhere to COVID restrictions. | ||
| You mean the dentists and nursing students? | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
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| I got respect for the guy who's farming cannabis, but I don't think he should be... He's not a doctor. | ||
| He might be some kind. | ||
| The non-board certified veterinarians. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| These people. | ||
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| Back alley veterinarians. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't like what Joe Rogan's talking about. | ||
| The veterinary abortionists. | ||
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| Oh man. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| But I want to loop it back to what James was saying. | ||
| James was saying we're optimistic. | ||
| Or he's optimistic. | ||
| I'm optimistic. | ||
| I take a look at the declining ratings of these institutions. | ||
| I take a look at... We have this story actually from the post-millennial. | ||
| Red Wave poll shows dramatic shift in party preference from Democrat to Republican at the end of 2021. | ||
| So this is from Gallup, one of the most credible polling institutions, so they say. | ||
| And we can see that around the third quarter, there was a big decline and a shift occurring. | ||
| And by quarter four of 2021, Republican-sent identification outweighed Democrat by five points. | ||
| This is for the first time in a couple, like 20 years, maybe. | ||
| There was a period, I think, in, like, 2010s where it was fairly even, but we haven't seen this pronounced of a flip since, like, 91. | ||
| Now, I don't think Republicans are necessarily the answer. | ||
| I think voting in the primaries and voting for people who care about this country is the answer, but the fact that people are breaking away from the establishment narratives, from declining ratings, to party shift, I think matters. | ||
| I think it's grounds for optimism, right? | ||
| Well, I keep on plugging my book, but the second book you should reread every year is 1984, which is the year I was born. | ||
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| And in this book, Winston, the protagonist, Winston, 1984, says the party, | ||
| the party is a metaphor for what we're talking about, tells you to reject the evidence of your own eyes and ears. | ||
| Winston said, it is the final, most essential commandment, is the number one rule, don't trust your own eyes and ears. | ||
| But the moment propaganda becomes apparent, it loses its effect. | ||
| And I think what's happening right now is people are starting to wake up. | ||
| And you, Luke, I think you're right. | ||
| I think they're losing like a, what do you call it? | ||
| A dog that was, an animal that was caged or something. | ||
| I like that metaphor. | ||
| A trapped animal. | ||
| And I think this is also why in 1984 they made them repeat 2 plus 2 equals 5 because it's nonsensical and they couldn't have common sense. | ||
| They couldn't have rational debate and discussion. | ||
| They needed to, of course, obey the state and the controllers at all costs. | ||
| It's the Emanuel Goldstein manual, 1984. | ||
| It requires a moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts. | ||
| So that scene you're talking about where they're torturing Winston, you know, two plus two | ||
| equals is five and Winston's like, well, spoiler alert for people. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| In case you haven't read it since high school. | ||
| And he's like, I don't understand. | ||
| Two plus two equals four. | ||
| And it says, and finally, Winston, because he's being tortured, he says, well, two plus | ||
| two is whatever you want it to be. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I feel like there are four lights. | ||
| I feel like... Yes. | ||
| This is America. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| This is America. | ||
| And I think we're different than any other country in the history of the world. | ||
| I just don't think we're... I'm hopeful because I think people understand what's happening. | ||
| The danger, Tim, is that most people are afraid. | ||
| And that, meh, pension, meh, mortgage, meh, kids. | ||
| Well, good luck to your kids because if we don't change this, maybe your kids will be holding bayonets or whatever the modern equivalent of a bayonet will be. | ||
| So we better give up our pensions and our mortgages. | ||
| There's more to life than my mortgage. | ||
| You gotta blow the whistle. | ||
| But it's really, you know, it's very difficult when you have so much to lose. | ||
| What's the point of living? | ||
| What's the point of living? | ||
| What's the point of life? | ||
| This is the question, what's the meaning of life? | ||
| Absolutely this is the question. | ||
| I don't think there's an answer to what is the meaning of life. | ||
| No, no, my question is, you posed a rhetorical question to me, and my answer is, or rather I posed a rhetorical question to you. | ||
| What's the point of life without meaning? | ||
| You know, the pursuit of happiness. | ||
| Well, there's also the pursuit of meaning. | ||
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| And the excuse that we're giving is following orders. | ||
| There's 120,000 people. | ||
| What I'm saying is, if you have people who have a family and they have a home and they want to protect those things, they're going to go to great lengths to protect those things. | ||
| They're not going to give them up until they're forced to. | ||
| I disagree, actually. | ||
| If you can get dinner on the table, and you can go to your job, you're going to do those things. | ||
| That's what people do. | ||
| What if you're being asked to do unconstitutional legal things? | ||
| Well, then we see people start to give those things up when they have to. | ||
| And that's a different point for everybody, isn't it? | ||
| When you live in a house, and you're surrounded by a wooded area, and there is a fire on the horizon, you have people saying, I think if we just sit around and do nothing, the fire eventually won't hit us and we'll get lucky. | ||
| And it's like, or you can take action now, get your family out before the fire destroys your home. | ||
| What we're seeing right now is that people aren't willing to go to great lengths to protect their friends and family or their children to make sure there's food on the table. | ||
| They're looking at short-term gains and long-term losses. | ||
| So the reason I use the forest fire analogy is that- This is like Chekhov with the trees. | ||
| It's off in the distance. | ||
| Okay, the fire's not here right now. | ||
| Why did the peasants keep coming down the forest? | ||
| I know there's a fire. | ||
| I know there's a fire. | ||
| I know it is destroying people's homes. | ||
| I know my neighbors have lost everything, but I'll be fine. | ||
| I'm sure of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They think if they keep their head down, the mob won't come in their house. | ||
| This is what Solzhenitsyn describes in the Gulag Archipelago, to survive at any price. | ||
| And to survive at any price is the danger, because if you continue down this road, I like your analogy of long-term, you're going to live in a society which is permanently corrupted, where the lie becomes a permanent form of existence, and you have to sell out your own family to not go to the gulags, so to speak. | ||
| James, when you're breaking rocks in the gulags, there's going to be a guy 10 years older and he's going to go, hey James, did I ever tell you about how my kid played soccer? | ||
| I'm not defending people for not wanting to fight. | ||
| My worst part about the gulags is the inevitable hunger strike because I like to eat. | ||
| I get hangry. | ||
| But that's a serious point because I want to go back to this point which you and I disagree | ||
| with because this is the issue at hand. | ||
| I'm not defending people for not wanting to fight. | ||
| I'm saying people don't want to fight. | ||
| I'm not asking everyone. | ||
| So this is my Martin Luther moment. | ||
| Maybe we are at a breaking point here. | ||
| Yeah, this is my Martin Luther moment. | ||
| This is the issue at hand. | ||
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| You're nailing stuff on the door right now. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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| Right now. | ||
| Here I stand. | ||
| I can do no other. | ||
| What we're talking about, you and I in this moment, that's everything. | ||
| I have people who have families who are making money for Facebook, Pinterest, that gave it all up for the public's right to know. | ||
| And they did so as a leap of faith. | ||
| And the American people protected them. | ||
| The HHS whistleblower, Jodi, she raised half a million dollars after she gave up her job for filming stuff in the emergency room. | ||
| Zach at Google, Eric Cochran at Pinterest said, I'll fall to ashes one day. | ||
| I want my life to mean something after I'm gone. | ||
| Those are Hid's words, not mine. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, I've, you know, like, I lost everything because I wrote the truth, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| This happened to me too. | ||
| And we need more people to do this. | ||
| This kind of thing happens to Andy all the time. | ||
| And we need more people to do this. | ||
| Yes, we need to speak up for that. | ||
| But we also need to understand and not condemn the people, I think, who don't do it. | ||
| I think we need to understand those people. | ||
| But we should encourage them at the same time as we understand them. | ||
| We should all speak up and speak the truth at once because there's too many of us to be destroyed. | ||
| Their acquiescence, their compliance is literally leading us down this pathway. | ||
| I profoundly disagree with you. | ||
| There is a literally, as I speak, thousands of DMs every day. | ||
| What can I do? | ||
| Help me. | ||
| I want to help. | ||
| I want to make a sacrifice. | ||
| Well, good. | ||
| Good. | ||
| So we need to We need to create a mass movement of those people. | ||
| We need to give them an opportunity to fight. | ||
| People want to fight in this country. | ||
| They don't know what to do. | ||
| They want to do something. | ||
| But I think with 120,000 people, the DOJ, Tim, There's got to be one or two. | ||
| I just need one or two. | ||
| Maybe I already have them. | ||
| I need one or two more. | ||
| There's got to be... OK, we're following orders. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You have your mortgage to pay, but I don't know. | ||
| I was watching this video. | ||
| I'm just saying, if we can be sympathetic to those people. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| You're talking to a man who's been put in handcuffs twice by the FBI for a crime I didn't commit. | ||
| And I would like to believe that half the people in my apartment actually were not bad people at all. | ||
| I think they're very good people. | ||
| I just think we're entering a slippery slope and we have to encourage people to do the right thing and it will involve, without question, it will involve sacrifice and suffering. | ||
| It just will. | ||
| Now you sound like Dr. Peterson. | ||
| Well, the police officers and FBI agents that arrested and went after James... Who I adore. | ||
| I have the utmost respect for you and for Dr. Peterson. | ||
| Well, I'm sitting next to a man who got thrown concrete milkshakes. | ||
| You know, he got physically assaulted for what he went through. | ||
| My only point was to have empathy for the people who are terrified of losing everything. | ||
| How does that affect the actual actions that we're going to take? | ||
| How does empathy affect the actions that we're going to take? | ||
| I don't think condemning people gets them on your side. | ||
| Have I done that? | ||
| I didn't say that you did. | ||
| I'm not condemning anybody. | ||
| We need to create a forum for people to come forward. | ||
| We have to do that. | ||
| Yes, we should all be encouraging each other to speak the truth and to not be cowed by this nonsense anymore. | ||
| I thoroughly agree with you on that. | ||
| But the people arresting James and the FBI agents that went after him are making those excuses. | ||
| We need to pay the mortgage. | ||
| We need to pay the bills. | ||
| We need to make sure that my kids are taken care of. | ||
| Those are the same kind of arguments that I've heard made by corporate journalists saying, Hey, I just got to read this script. | ||
| I just got to do what they tell me to do because at the end of the day, I got to take care of myself. | ||
| That's not what I'm defending. | ||
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There's a lot of people who use that kind of justification, even in the White House press corps, that I personally know. | |
| I think .001% of people need to give up their pension, yes. | ||
| Man, could you imagine if just a thousand people in one of these organizations just came out and said, we're willing to sacrifice our pensions? | ||
| Well, then none of them would. | ||
| If every single person at any of these corrupt institutions, if they all just said, we hereby all agree we have scruples and won't do these illegal things, It wouldn't happen in the first place. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| It is two choices. | ||
| You can follow your conscience or you can, and then you will lose your livelihood. | ||
| Or you could not follow your conscience and have a safe existence. | ||
| My view on life growing up was never based on tribalism. | ||
| And I think that's what shapes my perspective today, is that there was no group identified | ||
| There was nothing I saw that I said, I need to be a part of. | ||
| It was actually, my whole life was, if I don't figure it out for myself, I'm in trouble. | ||
| Too many people today are wrapped up in just trying to fit in with whatever tribe they think will keep them alive. | ||
| Right, we see with Ethan Klein, he's the H3 Podcast guy, he deletes the Jordan Peterson interviews. | ||
| Why? | ||
| That's such a trash move. | ||
| But it's because, in my opinion, if you look at his Instagram, he said, YouTube gave me a strike, I can't work for a week because someone went to an old video and flagged it and got it removed. | ||
| Here's a guy who's got a big, he's got a company of 10 people. | ||
| He's got 10 million subscribers. | ||
| And because of the rule changes, he's getting banned. | ||
| So what does he do? | ||
| He says, I'm just going to adhere to whatever they tell me to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he deletes the join. | ||
| I'm going to say the two plus two equals five because I don't want the rat to eat my face. | ||
| Yep, exactly. | ||
| That's what the Orwell was a genius. | ||
| Room 101. | ||
| I don't know what your psychological version of the rat, everyone's got their fears, but this is a slippery slope. | ||
| And I don't know, I'm just quoting our whistleblowers that come to us. | ||
| All of these people, these are not my words, they're saying, listen, there's I want my life to mean something, and I guess it is akin to what Jordan Peterson talks about. | ||
| Wasps. | ||
| Wasps? | ||
| Yeah, if the establishment came to my house and unloaded wasps into my house, the show would be off the air. | ||
| Don't say that! | ||
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He's just making a joke, people. | |
| Don't give them ideas, Tim. | ||
| Don't tell them the fear. | ||
| They're like, Tim doesn't actually scare cancellation. | ||
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Put some wasps in that building. | |
| You weren't afraid of the stink bugs. | ||
| I'm actually not scared of wasps. | ||
| I don't think that that could get you. | ||
| In 1984, the state knew your biggest fear and for Winston it was the fear of rats and that's why they put a bucket with a rat in it and it said the rat's going to eat your face unless you obey the state. | ||
| This is, again, the dangers of the track, trace, and database society, the society that has the NSA snooping on every aspect of our existence, and it's not out of the realm of possibility to compare our current reality going towards a 1984 one, which James brings up all the time, which is on the money. | ||
| The vaccine database thing. So in April, Jeff Zients at the CDC said that there was going to be no federal vaccine | ||
| database. | ||
| Jen Psaki said there was going to be no federal vaccine credential. | ||
| And it actually turns out that after the OSHA mandate went through for federal workers, | ||
| this Safety Guidelines Agency said, you know, helped to help federal agencies implement the vaccine mandate. | ||
| They said and you will have to keep a database of who's been vaccinated and who isn't and the reasons for why the people didn't get vaccinated specifically religious exemptions. | ||
| So it turns out that the OSHA mandate supersedes everything else for federal workers and there will be A bunch of different federal vaccine databases at all for the employees at all of these agencies. | ||
| And I think unless I think it's very likely it will happen. | ||
| Yes, I think so. | ||
| Short of us actually speaking out and people who like watch the show, share this show, talk about these ideas, stand up for yourself. | ||
| And I think more and more people are doing that. | ||
| If they don't, the Supreme Court may strike down mandates for private companies, but give it five years and it will be commonplace unless you speak up now. | ||
| Charles Murray said that government is in an advanced state of sclerosis where solutions are outside the legislative process in the courts. | ||
| I think what we've experienced with the New York Times lawsuit is on point. | ||
| I mean, even if the Supreme Court were to rule in my favor, the New York Times would say, Trump judge! | ||
| Muh, Trump judge! | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| We don't care what we're doing. | ||
| But does it matter to you? | ||
| Obviously, winning against the New York Times is very important. | ||
| They defamed you. | ||
| They caused you problems and money. | ||
| But for the snooty elites and their ivory tower at their wine, you'll never convince them, right? | ||
| Literally, Dean Baquet had a glass of Chardonnay in Pittsburgh with his turtleneck and blazer. | ||
| Was it dumb? | ||
| So there's a story in this book. | ||
| I saw Dean Baquet, New York Times, Pittsburgh. | ||
| I was literally at the proverbial seat at the table. | ||
| I was sitting next to Marty Baron and Dean Baquet. | ||
| And I went to shake his hand. | ||
| And you would think, why would you want to shake this horrible person? | ||
| Well, you know, maybe there's a moment of humanity. | ||
| Maybe, maybe he has a moment of levity. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He whimpered and winced like a little coward. | ||
| He wouldn't shake your hand? | ||
| He wouldn't shake. | ||
| He turned around towards the wall while holding, I'm not making this up, a glass of wine. | ||
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| And I, and I, and at that moment, I realized that, yeah, there's, you asked a question. | ||
| It's not the satisfaction from the verdict. | ||
| The satisfaction comes in the discovery part of litigation where you're exposing | ||
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| The only thing that, for lack of a better word, communists, the only thing that communists fear | ||
| is being exposed. They do not fear the government, in my experience. They don't fear the courts. | ||
| The only thing that will hold them accountable is exposure. | ||
| And I think litigation does that vis-a-vis the discovery process. | ||
| When you open up their books, when you record them in depositions, etc., etc. | ||
| Also, when you guys take a microphone and put it up to their face and they start running away as fast as they can. | ||
| That's also a good one. | ||
| Did you ever notice that they don't want to engage us in conversation? | ||
| They want us to shut up. | ||
| I want them to talk. | ||
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| Interesting dichotomy. | ||
| It's crazy, right? | ||
| So I see this in the movie, Don't Look Up. | ||
| Have you seen it? | ||
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| This is that Netflix movie. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| One of the scenes, it's basically in the movie, the Republican Party is telling all of their right-wing nutjobs not to look up at the sky where the comet is coming to destroy the planet. | ||
| So they don't. | ||
| And I'm watching that and I'm like, I think the movie's funny. | ||
| It's poking fun at everybody. | ||
| But the Republicans, the conservatives are the meme of debate me. | ||
| It's Ben Shapiro chasing after AOC being like, why won't you debate me? | ||
| While the left says, leave me alone. | ||
| I don't want to talk to you. | ||
| If anyone is telling you not to look up, it's CNN. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not the right. | ||
| The right's demanding you look up. | ||
| And the Biden administration as well, that's saying that we need to stop disinformation, but they don't take any questions from reporters. | ||
| And Dr. Fauci, who today on the World Economic Forum Zoom call was literally saying we need to fight disinformation for, quote, medical health, alongside, of course, Xi Jinping, who also was on the Zoom call as well. | ||
| Well, and they only identify disinformation and misinformation as anything that goes against whatever the current narrative is, which is consistently changing. | ||
| It goes back to the moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment effects. | ||
| We talk about engaging in conversation. | ||
| Again, I tell my staff, we welcome the inspectors. | ||
| That might sound counterintuitive. | ||
| You're an undercover operation. | ||
| You have to keep secrets. | ||
| We don't keep many secrets, Tim. | ||
| Everything you do is going to be watched. | ||
| The New York Times is required by their ethical code to reach out for comment. | ||
| They do do that via email, but they'll never print my response. | ||
| And when I try to call them, they hang up the phone. | ||
| They hang up the phone. | ||
| They do this clever thing where if your quote hurts you, it's in full. | ||
| If your quote helps you, they'll snip it or paraphrase. | ||
| One such comment was, please respond, all these things. | ||
| So I quoted the judge in the defamation lawsuit. | ||
| The New York Times acted in disinformation and deception. | ||
| I quoted a judge. | ||
| And the New York Times published, when asked for a comment, Mr. O'Keefe criticized the New York Times. | ||
| Well, I didn't criticize the New York Times. | ||
| I was quoting a judicial authority. | ||
| That's false, a statement of fact, isn't it? | ||
| It is, and we sued them for defamation and we're winning. | ||
| So, I mean, so now we just put out our quotes to the New York Times to our audience. | ||
| We just film myself emailing the New York Times. | ||
| Pete, I think your audience wants solutions. | ||
| I think we know they chop the quotes, they take it out of context. | ||
| Solution! | ||
| I had Robert Silverman, who's this hack reporter at Daily Beast. | ||
| He reached out to me, I think around midnight Eastern time. | ||
| He was trying to get comment. | ||
| He said, I'll give you until 12.30am to respond. | ||
| This is how entitled some of them feel. | ||
| You know, like they're doing you the favor. | ||
| They're writing a hit piece. | ||
| They contact you at the last hour. | ||
| And then, well, most people are sleeping at that time or not checking their email. | ||
| And then your comment never makes it into the public story. | ||
| Andy, I was going to ask you, how do you deal with the media coverage that you get dealt with? | ||
| Do you have any kind of legal battles? | ||
| Or what's your strategy when it comes to dealing with the media that attacks you? | ||
| Um, well, I've come to, like James, come to ignore most of it. | ||
| Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to do lawsuits against everybody who defames me. | ||
| And in the US, deaf Proving defamation in a court when you're a public figure is extremely hard. | ||
| And so the point of these negative pieces is to sabotage and ruin someone's reputation and also to demoralize them and to take up their time. | ||
| I think it's been more effective for me to ignore most of it. | ||
| When it's really egregious, then I'll respond. | ||
| I think like so recently in December, a few weeks ago, I got an email at night from a journalist asking me for a comment about this federal lawsuit that was filed against me for a copyright violation. | ||
| That was the first I've heard of it. | ||
| So these two Antifa activists, extremists in Portland, sued me for retweeting their videos on Twitter. | ||
| Okay, completely frivolous lawsuit. | ||
| But the point wasn't necessarily about winning. | ||
| It was about getting all of these negative pieces out that said, Andy Ngo sued in federal court for stealing journalist content. | ||
| That's really damning for, I mean, if you're a journalist, your reputation really matters. | ||
| By the way, there's only as much as I say, you know, I ignore this, ignore that. | ||
| Reputation at the end of the day matters when you're a journalist because your reputation is your legitimacy. | ||
| That's how people know that what you're reporting out is accurate. | ||
| They can trust it. | ||
| And within less than two weeks, the lawsuit was withdrawn. | ||
| And so by then, you know, those left-wing media sites are not going to write these new follow-up stories about how this was a frivolous lawsuit that was a waste of everyone's time. | ||
| But, you know, on the record, now people Google me again. | ||
| In addition to all the hit pieces before, they see stuff like this. | ||
| And now it's forever that, even though the lawsuit's gone, they can still say Andy Ngo has been sued for stealing content in the past, and it'll be forever. | ||
| But I do have to issue a very strong correction. | ||
| You see, I stated on this show that that lawsuit would be dismissed in summary judgment, and I was wrong. | ||
| They withdrew it because it was a frivolous lawsuit, so it didn't even make it that far. | ||
| But again, it's the smear that counts and that's what they were going for, at least in my opinion. | ||
| The object of persecution is to break your will. | ||
| That's what they're trying to do. | ||
| Usually this litigation is an exercise in just trying to shut you up, break your will, bankrupt you, etc. | ||
| Alright, let's go to superchats! | ||
| If you haven't already, get those superchats in. | ||
| We're gonna take questions, and I'm gonna do my best to try and go through good questions for, you know, for everybody here, so we can have some very serious conversations. | ||
| And there's a ton of superchats, so I definitely won't be able to read everybody's, but smash that like button, go to TimCast.com, become a member. | ||
| We're gonna have that members-only podcast up tonight. | ||
| We usually post around 11 or so p.m. | ||
| But, uh, let's read what we got here. | ||
| Just with- we'll start with some compliments. | ||
| Robert Dolvik says James Andy and Libby with Tim is the journalistic Avengers. He didn't say Luke | ||
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| That's okay. | ||
| All right, let's see what we get here. | ||
| I want to try and find a good question for everybody. | ||
| May I just ask the question Eric sent me? | ||
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| Yo, Mr. O'Keefe, we got to know, boxers or briefs? | ||
| And this is your guy? | ||
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People are obsessed with the underwear fact. | |
| Everyone loves to talk about me and my... I don't know what they're called. | ||
| I guess, boxer briefs? | ||
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I don't know what they're called. | |
| It's just visual. | ||
| It's just a very visual image. | ||
| It is a very compelling visual. | ||
| In the film version, that's going to be on the poster. | ||
| Do you think there's going to be a film made about this? | ||
| Don't you think there ought to be? | ||
| We do have a super chat. | ||
| It would be a great film. | ||
| We did have a super chat saying, Mr. O'Keefe, boxes are brief. | ||
| Who would cast? | ||
| Who would be the person that would play me? | ||
| I don't know, who do you want? | ||
| Michael Malice. | ||
| Anyways, I'm sorry, I took the podium away from you today. | ||
| Oh no, I'm trying to... Nicolas Cage. | ||
| I can definitely see Nicolas Cage. | ||
| No, not Nicolas Cage. | ||
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| A lot of the comments aren't questions, typically, and so I'm trying to make sure I can get a good question, but that means scrolling through and screening these, you know, maybe in the long term we'll find someone. | ||
| Here's one that's a question. | ||
| I'm confused about the temperature of the room you are all in. | ||
| Andy's in a scarf, James with an open shirt, Luke in a long sleeve. | ||
| Is your temperature equitable? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Andy's in a scarf because it looks very jaunty and nice. | ||
| It's very snappy, yeah. | ||
| I'm in a sweater because I'm always cold. | ||
| Here's a good question. | ||
| Beefy says, Andy, covering riots, when did you feel most scared? | ||
| Um, Tim's audience will remember this. | ||
| So in May of last year, I returned to Portland, which was a mistake. | ||
| I went back and I had less because it was becoming very, very dangerous to me. | ||
| Police were very overwhelmed in 2020 with the nightly violence and riots. | ||
| The police were defunded and a record number of them had resigned and took early retirement. | ||
| So they're just the only calls that often they were responding to were like priority calls involving life or death situations. | ||
| So if you have issues of It's a threatening person showing up at your home. | ||
| You could take hours for somebody to show up. | ||
| And I knew all that. | ||
| But I went back because field reporting is extremely important. | ||
| And James and Tim, you can test this because you did this. | ||
| When the further you are away from the subject that you cover, you introduce more errors, right? | ||
| That's how You get these journalists who are in bureau desk rooms in New York and D.C. | ||
| who get things wrong, for example, about the Russia hoax. | ||
| They just depend on these sources, right, rather than being on the ground and being able to verify things. | ||
| I have been gone for a number of months, and I wanted to see how Antifa's violence had evolved towards the end of 2020 to the many months to 2021. | ||
| And I was there undercover and observing and unfortunately they became suspicious because I wasn't riding with them. | ||
| And they sent several feelers to come and question me. | ||
| I write about this in the update for my book Unmasked. | ||
| And one of them said, I remember they surrounded me. | ||
| I was alone. | ||
| They said, I think it's him. | ||
| And even though I was in the middle of downtown, two blocks away from the Central Police Station, I knew I had no good options at that point. | ||
| What do I do? | ||
| I start running. | ||
| What do I try talking my way out? | ||
| You know, my voice. | ||
| I don't carry weapons. | ||
| And well, they assaulted me really badly and that was when they had me on the ground and pinned on the ground and I could hear more of them running after me. | ||
| And some of them had their cameras out, they were live streaming it, trying to get their comrades to come. | ||
| Not all of them have the intention to kill somebody, but we've seen in these mob settings it takes one or two who are completely unhinged and have nothing to lose to do that kick to the head or the face, right? | ||
| I was so fortunate that I was able to escape and run into that hotel and plead with them to lock the doors, to call police and Yeah, that whole entire experience has been really traumatic. | ||
| And I remember there was a big debate online afterwards, and you weighed in, and you said, why would you willingly return to that situation, knowing, one, that you had been assaulted before, been under death threats, and go there without a good escape plan? | ||
| I think that criticism was fair, but... First, I think, as many people pointed out, I was a little crass. | ||
| Because I was on Twitter and I saw it and I tweeted something like, that was stupid, why would you do that? | ||
| And it's probably a little crass. | ||
| But my thought was, you wrote a book on Antifa. | ||
| You're beyond just going into a crowd of these extremists and risking your life when you're at the point where, I suppose I should say, your work is too important. | ||
| The knowledge you have, the experience you have, the connections you've made, the people you can connect, the information you have within you, would all be lost because you decided to go out that one night. | ||
| Now, I think it's fair to say, I mean, it's your responsibilities in this regard in your work. | ||
| They're your choice. | ||
| If you think your work is best served doing what you did, then it's just opinion versus opinion. | ||
| My attitude is you should have three more people working with you. | ||
| You should be doing what James does. | ||
| Actually, you came up in this because many people pointed out that you go through new undercover reporters because if they get exposed, then you can't just keep using the same people over and over again. | ||
| Well, you'd be surprised how much a ball cap and sunglasses can achieve. | ||
| But yeah, I mean there's a lot to say about that, but I admire Andy. | ||
| I admire your fearlessness or your ability to overcome your fear and go back there. | ||
| Yeah, so that was, you know, basically it, I mean, on my part. | ||
| Probably crass, my initial reaction, but I think the point is, we need you to keep doing your work. | ||
| One of the reasons we're here today, talking about the work you've done and the experiences you've had and the threats you've faced, trying to cover something that the media basically covers up. | ||
| How do we make sure that, like, the one journalist who knows how this system is working is not going to end up wiped off the map? | ||
| And that the work you're doing expands into more journalism. | ||
| I think it's great if the media is going to report on far right extremism. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But we get all of that. | ||
| Where are the reporters who are going out and reporting on far left extremism? | ||
| It's few and far between. | ||
| You're doing it, Andy. | ||
| And we need more people to be doing it. | ||
| So there's a fear in like, you would risk your life, but we need to get you to a point where you're expanding and getting more people on the ground, you know what I mean? | ||
| That's the gist of it, but you know, other than that, I mean, I certainly, you know, empathize with what you went through. | ||
| I don't think, I've never experienced anything to that degree. | ||
| You know, I've certainly have had Antifa get in my face, but that was, you know, considering what they did with the milkshakes and attacking you, and you know, you were seriously, you were very seriously injured with traumatic brain injury. | ||
| And then experiencing that again, I can certainly empathize and say, it's a dangerous job, man. | ||
| I'm glad you do it, though. | ||
| What does this say about America, though, that in some urban areas of the country, you can't have journalists or citizen journalists or even just people, regular people with their phones out recording things that are happening in public, that you can just have mobs of violent extremists threatening violence and doing it with impunity for years. | ||
| Why do you think that doesn't happen on the right? | ||
| Like we have, you know, there's right-wing extremists and stuff like that. | ||
| Why aren't they out there being crazy and beating up, I don't know, journalists? | ||
| It exists. | ||
| But there is, you know, if we look at the polling data, independent voters lean very heavily alongside conservatives in their opinions. | ||
| We did an event in the Philadelphia area. | ||
| We had far-left journalists that we know lie show up, and we let them come in, and knowing they're going to lie, we say, okay, do your thing. | ||
| And they came in and lied and made up crazy stories. | ||
| Cali11. | ||
| Well, I usually don't say anybody's names, but putting out these stories where they claim that security, their security was at risk in a casino. | ||
| That was just such a falsehood. | ||
| I watched that whole thing happen. | ||
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| We were in a casino. | ||
| Everything was fine the whole time. | ||
| If you are a jer- See, this is why- We were all there. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| And this is why, you know, we're strategic in how we put on these events. | ||
| We had the event in a casino. | ||
| Why? | ||
| You're never gonna get better security. | ||
| I mean, there's so many cameras in casinos that when the dealers are pulling out chips, they have to, like, move their hands out of the way and do motion specifically because everything is watched. | ||
| For someone to come in and say, my security was threatened, oh please. | ||
| You're in one of the biggest, most secure buildings in the city. | ||
| But we let them come anyway. | ||
| Now what happens when Andy shows up? | ||
| The truth, as James pointed out, scares them. | ||
| They'll attack. | ||
| I like to hear from the audience. | ||
| What are they thinking? | ||
| Let's try and find some more superchats. | ||
| Morgan asks, didn't Trump technically ban speech at his rally? | ||
| I believe this is over the FJB comment, and the answer is yes, and it's important to call it out. | ||
| And that also brings up a weakness among individuals like ourselves, whatever facts you want to call it, freedom, good, libertarian, whatever. | ||
| Is that we have no problem being like Trump shouldn't ban speech. | ||
| You can appreciate the sentiment, of course, that, you know, Trump's trying to be more cordial, but on the left, they don't play that game. | ||
| They do have their circular firing squads, but it seems like it's usually for reinforcement of their, of their, uh, of wokeism as opposed to any real principle. | ||
| I think it's interesting though, and we've talked about this before, the idea that on the left they're doing things a specific way and so why are we trying to uphold a set of standards and values that are not being upheld on the other side? | ||
| This is something James was talking about. | ||
| He's clearly very committed to his standards and his values. | ||
| He's not going to let that be compromised. | ||
| And I think that's important. | ||
| I think in times of crisis and when your values and when your standards are the most threatened is when you need to uphold them all the more. | ||
| Yeah, but you're violating people's free speech. | ||
| That's where a lot of people's issues comes up, saying, hey, why are you as an administration saying you can't say this specifically all for, you know, PR images? | ||
| Listen, people have branded me, Tim, for years as this unethical, criminal, scum, lying, deceptive, editing me, jailed me, sued me. | ||
| They have not physically attacked me, knock on wood. | ||
| But what's remarkable is I have written a book with 800 footnotes, law review articles, journalism, ethics, essays. | ||
| We wrestle and struggle with the ethics of what we do at Project Veritas, so much so that we almost torture ourselves about whether we should publish. | ||
| And if I was a radical right-wing activist, I would have published Ashley Biden's diary. | ||
| I didn't! | ||
| And that should be proof enough. | ||
| The most important ethical rule in journalism is to behave like there are 12 jurors on your | ||
| shoulder at all times. | ||
| The whole point, the whole raison d'etre of investigative reporting is to expose that | ||
| which others want kept secret for the wrong reasons. | ||
| So you have to behave like you have nothing to keep secret. | ||
| And that's the hardest part about, I mean, what we do, because it's often human nature that wants to keep things secret. | ||
| The Rick Salaby story we did recently, and I hope you saw that one, the CNN producer got, the police got involved. | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| The second producer. | ||
| You want to hear us a crazy quick anecdote? | ||
| CNN fired that guy Salibi probably within about 24 hours and didn't say a word about it. | ||
| And two weeks went by. And then in response to a tweet, the vice president of CNN, Matt Dornick, | ||
| replied, oh yeah, he's gone. That's old news. What an incredible way to cover up so that they | ||
| wouldn't, because if they said immediately he was fired, be associated press bulletins. | ||
| What an amazing story that was. I love when the criticism accidentally exposes the machine when | ||
| when they said that you go after left-wing organizations. | ||
| And you had recently done a story on Google and Facebook. | ||
| And then it's like almost an admission of the complaints people have about the political bias of these institutions. | ||
| To claim that you're going after a left-wing institution, which happens to be Google, is kind of the media saying. | ||
| That's always true. | ||
| You're going after, you only target the left. | ||
| Well, the New York Times, CNN. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| The Department of Defense. | ||
| Are these left-wing organizations? | ||
| So your point is the logic of that seems to presuppose that they are left-wing. | ||
| But the left tends to, as the late Rush Limbaugh once said, told me as well, the left tends to circle the wagons and the right tends to circle the firing squad. | ||
| And that's because of the psychology of shame. | ||
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It all goes back to two principles. | |
| Principle number one, stop caring about what they think of you. | ||
| And principle two, always behave like someone's watching you. | ||
| And if you do those two things, I think we'll be very successful as citizen journalists. | ||
| All right, lots of compliments. | ||
| People saying, thank you, James and Andy. | ||
| We have Karen saying, thank you, James O'Keefe and Andy Ngo for being on the show. | ||
| And most of all, being actual journalists, you are so appreciated. | ||
| We've got Lesko saying, Andy Ngo and James O'Keefe, bravest men alive. | ||
| Oh yeah, I would agree. | ||
| We have, let's find a good question. | ||
| North Viking says, why do people on the right care so much what the left thinks? | ||
| Perhaps finding that out will help us free them to fight the left. | ||
| Otherwise, just telling people to stop caring probably isn't enough. | ||
| I do understand why we say the left all the time and why people say the left so often. | ||
| I think it's important to talk about establishment elites, which have a tendency to be today the establishment left. | ||
| But what do you guys think? | ||
| I think we talked about this, but why do you think the right cares so much about what they say? | ||
| It's because the left has cultural dominance. | ||
| That matters a lot. | ||
| I don't think any of us here would be honest if we said, if we just said, I mean, if the New York Times was to write a nice profile about one of us and we said, no, well, who cares? | ||
| No, I think each and one of us would care. | ||
| We would like that sort of legitimacy from the mainstream that like this paper record. | ||
| in America would acknowledge what we do. | ||
| I agree to an extent, but I also disagree. | ||
| I think a lot of people would like that. | ||
| I'm not so sure the people at this table, for the most part, would be, you know, vying for that. | ||
| No, I think, to be fair, to be clear, I sound like the 14th paragraph of a New York Times article right now. | ||
| To be fair, it's unclear whether... You're even using your NPR voice. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I know my NPR voice. | ||
| My reporter voice. | ||
| Tim, I think all of us, in places we don't want to admit want to be accepted. You have to be a, I call it a masochist | ||
| or a sociopath to want to be hated. | ||
| We are all, we all grew up to be liked, we want to be liked, we want to be loved. I don't want | ||
| to be hated. You don't, I don't think you want to be hated. | ||
| Nothing that you do should engender hatred. But you have to kind of fight against that | ||
| evolutionary instinct to suck up to the people who have the cultural dominance, right? | ||
| I think this is such an important point. | ||
| I think, it's not so much for, you know, for me, I don't care if the New York Times wants to write something nice about me. | ||
| I just don't want them to lie. | ||
| I appreciate if people want, they don't like me, they hate me, they want to write about it and say, here's why we hate them. | ||
| I'll be like, eh, well, you know, people are entitled to their hate. | ||
| I just, I don't want to be hated, but more so, I recognize I will be, I just don't want them to publish lies. | ||
| It takes this kind of indefatigable tunnel-visioned obsession in order to endure the hatred and the pain Because it does hurt. | ||
| I mean, it hurts. | ||
| I remember when I was 25 years old, not 37, about 12 years ago, I used to obsess about my Wikipedia page. | ||
| I used to sit there and like bite my nails, obsessing. | ||
| And after a while, you just accept it. | ||
| You can't change it. | ||
| And that's when you really grow, I think, after that ordeal. | ||
| I think that it is that leftist cultural dominance of You know, news organizations, entertainment, and everything else that you guys are talking about, that is what makes it so important that the outlets that we're involved with continue to speak out and to continue to speak the truth. | ||
| Tim Cass does that. | ||
| Project Veritas does that. | ||
| Post Millennial does that. | ||
| And we need more outlets like this. | ||
| We need more venues for this kind of conversation and for, you know, an expression of reality as opposed to this dogmatic intolerance. | ||
| Well, we have a question here from Confector. | ||
| Tyranus, how do we as a society reinstate journalistic integrity and facts-based news? | ||
| No narrative, no prefacing with your pet agenda, just true news. | ||
| How? | ||
| Well, I'll say become a member at TimCast.com, because I'm fairly strict. | ||
| We've had people message us saying like, hey, this article is poorly framed, and I'll immediately go in and be like, hey, fix this. | ||
| We had one story where it said, Joe Biden criticized for doing X and I went in and said, change the headline and story to Joe Biden does X and that include any relevant commentary after the fact. | ||
| We don't, I don't want to do stories that are framed negative or positive. | ||
| Just tell people what happened. | ||
| As for everybody else, I think supporting all of, uh, supporting the work of everyone, everyone here. | ||
| So I don't know if you guys want to. | ||
| Well, I would make a statement about the medium of journalism. | ||
| I think it came out in the last couple weeks that TikTok has a bigger audience than Google now. | ||
| So print or the written word account of things. | ||
| The New York Times and these organizations of propaganda rely upon descriptions of things. | ||
| So I think doing journalism that's visual, doing journalism that – I mean, television has higher credibility than print for a reason. | ||
| Doing first-person observation journalism, reporting as an observation. | ||
| First-hand observation is the ultimate documentation. | ||
| That's what you did in Portland. | ||
| Do journalism where you can see it. | ||
| You don't have to trust the reporter's depiction of the events, but you can see it with your own eyes and ears. | ||
| I think that's a start. | ||
| And just go ahead and go out and do it. | ||
| Go out in the field. | ||
| Leave your apartment. | ||
| Go there. | ||
| We go there. | ||
| Remember Vice? | ||
| You used to work for Vice, right? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| Shane Smith's unique value proposition. | ||
| In Times Square, I saw a billboard that said, we go there. | ||
| Imagine how broken journalism must be when your unique value proposition is to go to the place you're reporting on. | ||
| It's kind of wild. | ||
| It's like that Evelyn Waugh novel, Scoop, where the journalist shows up to cover a war, and there is no war, and all the journalists who are there are like, shh, don't tell anybody. | ||
| They're just kind of making it up. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if you guys want anything about what we can do to save journalism? | ||
| Andy? | ||
| This is a controversial view, but I've been spending time in the UK and their media landscape is very different. | ||
| In broadcast television, they actually have a government agency that enforces rules, some guidelines on impartiality on broadcast television. | ||
| And as a result, on their news channels, you don't have shows like that would feature guests that would, for example, just Make a statement, let's say, Donald Trump is a fascist and a racist. | ||
| And then the host just agrees. | ||
| You have to have it for something like that. | ||
| The responsibility is on the host to to challenge or to ask for evidence, or they have a guess from an opposing opinion. | ||
| That's not in the American tradition, but I think as a result, then I mean, all of us have seen some of these shows on MSNBC or some of these equipped right wing equivalents and I think it would violate the First Amendment. | ||
| I don't think we could do it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, putting, you know, the legal tradition aside, I just mean culturally, but... Oh, for sure. | ||
| So I haven't made up my mind quite about that yet. | ||
| But I think, I mean, in my view, the media landscape in the UK, I think it's less insane than what we have in America. | ||
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| I think journalists need to ask more questions instead of making assumptions. | ||
| We see a lot of assumptions in media, especially on TV reporting, and I think that more straightforward questions as opposed to questions that lead with a narrative I have this meme here which I don't know if you can see. | ||
| It's a meme of what journalism used to be. | ||
| The man is running towards the podium asking questions and now the man is running away from the podium with a megaphone amplifying the person. | ||
| So my point, I'm going to say this right into the camera. | ||
| Journalists, do your jobs. | ||
| Do your job. | ||
| It's real simple like you just said. | ||
| Ask questions. | ||
| Don't trust what they tell you. | ||
| Bite the hand that feeds you. | ||
| Bite the hands that feed you. | ||
| That's what we do at Project Veritas. | ||
| And stop editorializing. | ||
| I don't care about what you think. | ||
| I don't want to know what you think. | ||
| I want to see it with my own eyes. | ||
| Or I don't trust it. | ||
| People say, where do you get your information? | ||
| From actual evidence? | ||
| Documents from the Defense Department? | ||
| This is what I love about when they smear you as conspiracy theorists. | ||
| I'm like, when James O'Keefe publishes a video of a person at a company saying something, where's the conspiracy? | ||
| Like, what did he make up? | ||
| I don't report anything, I just see their lips moving. | ||
| Like, I need to see the face of the person. | ||
| And the other thing I'll say is, you know, people say, well, some people won't like it. | ||
| Well, if there's one person who will listen, tell the truth. | ||
| There's a point in this book where I was at my nadir in my life, where I thought about quitting. | ||
| And my own mother and sister said, well, if there's one person that will listen to your journalism, then it's worth doing. | ||
| And that's how low I had to go after my ascent to the highest peak. | ||
| I was down again and up and down. | ||
| And now our audience has grown. | ||
| Although you have a gold plaque for your million subscribers. | ||
| Google has not said that to me yet. | ||
| Well, to be fair, James, I'm using one of them as a window jam to keep the window open. | ||
| You have two of them? | ||
| Oh, we've got like... | ||
| They haven't sent that to us yet. | ||
| They accidentally sent me two for one of my channels. | ||
| You're using it as a doorstopper. | ||
| So the window won't stay open, so we jammed the golden award in it. | ||
| I just want to respond to what you were saying, because what you're saying about the megaphone, where the journalist is now amplifying the message, what happened to question authority, right? | ||
| This used to be a pretty standard idea in America, that we would question authority, and now the new definition of Domestic terrorism and domestic extremism is someone who is anti-government and anti-authority. | ||
| What the hell is that? | ||
| And just really quick I also wanted to say we're all journalists. | ||
| If you see an injustice speak up. | ||
| Don't be afraid to say anything, to tweet it, to get it out there to the general public because it's us. | ||
| All willing to participate and speak out against injustices that could actually stop it. | ||
| I used to doorstep a lot of politicians and I think I almost said exactly what you were saying as I was being dragged out from a Larry Silverstein press conference. | ||
| Ask questions, demand answers, and of course... Do your jobs! | ||
| Do your jobs, please! | ||
| They're not going to do it. | ||
| You will, as an independent journalist, as just an average civilian, you have the power in your hands to broadcast and to shed light on the darkest corners of this world to do it. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| I just figured it out. | ||
| Imagine you have every plumber in the country has stopped fixing plumbing. | ||
| And our bathrooms and our streets are laid in with crap. | ||
| And there's one guy, there's a small handful of people that are actually trying to get the plumbing working again. | ||
| That crap, that analogy, is what's happening in our political space, is what's happening with our big institutions, because journalists stopped fixing the pipes. | ||
| They stopped doing their jobs, and they've just let the crap flow free. | ||
| We need people to actually do the work and fix it so we can flush this crap. | ||
| I view it as an opportunity. | ||
| People need to be brave. | ||
| Here's my NPR voice. | ||
| Be brave. | ||
| Do something. | ||
| VeritasTipsAtProtonMail.com. | ||
| And American Muckraker is the book. | ||
| And all of the proceeds go to our nonprofit organization, which funds our journalism salaries. | ||
| But I think you go there, like Andy No did. | ||
| Go there. | ||
| Go on location. | ||
| Do the job they refuse to do. | ||
| And expose them. | ||
| We got tear gassed together in Greece. | ||
| We did get tear gassed. | ||
| We went there as well. | ||
| And what did we do? | ||
| Put milk in our eyes? | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| There was some kind of solution that we got. | ||
| It was just some some random person came up to us. | ||
| There's like, hey, just put this in your eye. | ||
| I'm producing, you know, we do all this reporting. | ||
| I produce it. | ||
| And Luke here just streams it on Snapchat or something. | ||
| I was snapchatting back then and doing small stories in the snippets as we were covering extreme civil unrest in Greece, literally, as there was Molotovs being thrown at police officers and crazy battles in the streets of Athens, Greece that were absolutely crazy during their... what was it? | ||
| They banned people from taking money out of their bank accounts? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there was one anecdote. | ||
| We were in Greece and I was holding a camcorder in 2015. | ||
| This was the time with the economic crisis. | ||
| And this Greek guy saw me with a camcorder. | ||
| And these were literal communists. | ||
| They had a communist flag. | ||
| And they started marching toward me. | ||
| And the other guy said, no, no, no. | ||
| And in an accent, he said, no, he's an American. | ||
| And he stopped from assaulting me. | ||
| It was a very powerful moment. | ||
| Don't assault the American. | ||
| Why do you think that was? | ||
| It's pretty deep. | ||
| PR? | ||
| Yeah, that's really interesting. | ||
| My friend was also there. | ||
| He got put in the hospital because activists beat the crap out of him as he was reporting on the front lines because he took the camera and he put it on the people that were throwing rocks against the police. | ||
| I mean, this is America, dammit. | ||
| You know, this is America. | ||
| And I don't think we're going to become like these other countries. | ||
| I don't think we can. | ||
| I think the power of one is too big here. | ||
| The courage is too contagious here. | ||
| I've seen it with my own eyes. | ||
| I have sources right now inside the Justice Department. | ||
| I will say it on the record. | ||
| I was here last time. | ||
| I was talking to Christopher Wray directly in the camera. | ||
| I got raided a few months later, so I don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| But I've got sources inside the Justice Department. | ||
| I want that story. | ||
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| The courage is too courageous, too exciting, it's too much fun. | ||
| It's fun speaking truth to power, isn't it? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's great joy in fighting. | ||
| It's so much more fun than the alternative. | ||
| And the other thing, too, is when our culture is big enough, the dominance of the left will decrease. | ||
| I mean, Andrew Breitbart used to say, the days before he died, Andrew Breitbart said to me, James, they want us on a leash. | ||
| We're not going to be on a leash. | ||
| They want us to dance. | ||
| We refuse to dance with them. | ||
| Politics will eventually be replaced by imagery, and I think people just have to have the courage. | ||
| They just have to have the courage to step up. | ||
| Alright, let me read this one here. | ||
| We got Armino the Pug says, question for everyone. | ||
| At our current rate, do you think that civil unrest and conflict is unavoidable? | ||
| Is there a possibility of someone embodying the American spirit to bridge the divide we face? | ||
| What was that last part? | ||
| Someone embodying the American spirit? | ||
| The American spirit that can bridge the divide. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I'm a bit less pessimistic on any kind of, you know, unification between culture war factions, but what do you guys think? | ||
| Jeffrey Epstein. | ||
| Well, perhaps, but maybe a more positive. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He brings together the left and the right against people's condemnation against the state that abused their power and used taxpayers to hurt children for over 30 years in unspeakable ways. | ||
| That's a bridge right there. | ||
| That's a gap that the establishment is scared of since people on the left and right are tweeting very important aspects of this story that break down this whole entire structure's power. | ||
| Putting journalists in handcuffs. | ||
| Bring left and right. | ||
| Indicting me for accessory. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| If they indict me for accessory after the fact for a source sending me documents, that'll bring left and right together. | ||
| And it probably is self-preservation because they don't want it to happen to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what about you, Andy? | ||
| You know, being on the ground and seeing a lot of this extremism, do you think there's a possibility of uniting people in this country? | ||
| I thought that the beating assault of a journalist of color who happens to be gay, that was caught on camera. | ||
| I thought that would be kind of a unifying moment and it wasn't. | ||
| There was a lot of people on the mainstream left who said essentially that I deserved it, that I was such an agitator or that I allegedly hold such deplorable views that what happened to me was deserving and just and it should happen again. | ||
| It should happen every time I come out. | ||
| So I'm a bit less optimistic of the American citizenry, I think, in general. | ||
| I think what's been very clear since the death of George Floyd and going back and forth after Michael Brown is there's just been this noticeable shift in moral tolerance and political violence. | ||
| I mean, you cross this line, you know, of accepting violence as a response to disagreement. | ||
| And then that's how you that's how you break down civilization, societies, and eventually the state. | ||
| Man, it's a little dark. | ||
| I think we're, yeah, I think we're a little far from a unifying moment as well, or any kind of unifying figure. | ||
| We're seeing conservative culture start being on a parallel track, right? | ||
| Creating its own ecosystem, and I think that's going to continue, you know? | ||
| Like I was just talking to a woman, Sarah Gonzalez, who has a podcast, and she started a makeup line | ||
| that's essentially like a conservative makeup line. | ||
| It's made in the US. | ||
| And I was like, that's interesting, because I've been talking to people who are starting, | ||
| you know, I talked to Jason Miller, who started his own conservative, | ||
| basically based social media platform that's conservative journalism, | ||
| and now we're gonna have a conservative makeup line. | ||
| It kind of reminded me of when Christian Soriano found out that no one would design a dress | ||
| for Melania to wear to the inauguration and he was like, I'll do it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, we're gonna see, I think, more of that as opposed to less of that going forward. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And if you're listening now, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, go to TimCast.com, become a member. | ||
| We're gonna have a members-only podcast coming up. | ||
| We post around 11 or so p.m., so make sure you hit that. | ||
| You can follow the show at TimCast IRL. | ||
| Follow us on Instagram if you want clips. | ||
| You can follow me at TimCast. | ||
| Do you guys want to shout out what you've got going on? | ||
| I don't know, James? | ||
| Shout anything out? | ||
| New stories or anything else? | ||
| Oh, your book or your website? | ||
| I mean, the book is AmericanMuckraker.com. | ||
| AmericanMuckraker.com. | ||
| You can buy the book at AmericanMuckraker.com. | ||
| Or you can go on Amazon if you want to support Jeff Bezos. | ||
| But the book is really a seminal work of non-fiction, recounts the journalistic mass movements of today, eye-opening glimpse into guerrilla journalism. | ||
| There's a part about Andy Ngo in this book. | ||
| Chapter 1, Suffering, and David Daleiden. | ||
| I mean, my closing argument is essentially the image. | ||
| Images. | ||
| Images transfix. | ||
| I think images, you know, Marshall McLuhan once said something to the effect of, images will become more powerful than our own politicians. | ||
| Government is broken. | ||
| The solution rests with us. | ||
| And this is a how-to guide on how to do journalism in clown world. | ||
| In clown world. | ||
| You need a handbook, like the Boy Scout handbook. | ||
| This is what this is for citizen journalists. | ||
| Andy? | ||
| My updated book, Unmasked, Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy, is coming out on the 1st of February in an updated version and paperback. | ||
| So that's available for pre-order now and I encourage, if people like my work, to become a supporter at NGO.Locals.com. | ||
| Right on! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Libby? | ||
| I think everyone should come to the Postmillennial, read the work that we've got up. | ||
| You can subscribe to the Postmillennial. | ||
| You can donate and help us out at thepostmillennial.com slash donations. | ||
| And I'm there every day. | ||
| I'm on Twitter at Libby Emmons. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| So I'm somewhat close to one million subscribers on youtube.com forward slash we are change, which I release videos on routinely. | ||
| And before we leave, shouts out to Dana White. | ||
| He dropped some major truth bombs today. | ||
| I actually talked about that on my LukeUncensored.com video. | ||
| Hope to see some of you guys there. | ||
| I've been working really hard lately and I can't thank you guys for all coming and being in the same room. | ||
| It was a great productive conversation. | ||
| Thank you guys for putting it all together. | ||
| Also, Tim, ProjectVeritasExperience.com. | ||
| We're having a book launch event in Miami, January 29th. | ||
| ProjectVeritasExperience.com if you want to go. | ||
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Yes, awesome. | |
| I was just going to say, too, if you guys do end up using Amazon, you can donate to Project Veritas. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Your Amazon smile, I believe that's what it's called. | ||
| That's what I use. | ||
| I thought that was a great finger in the eye of Amazon when I saw that, and I decided to sign up for it. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Anyway, you guys may follow me on Twitter at Sour Patchlets. | ||
| We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about an hour. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. |
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