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Oct. 25, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Dave Chappelle Issues Demands To Netflix Employees, ROASTING Them w/Mark Hemingway

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ian crossland

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You Dave Chappelle is fired back at the activists and the
		Netflix employees that were complaining about his comedy special
		With his own list of demands He said, I will not bend to anyone, but if you want to meet, you have to abide by my conditions.
		And one of them was a direct roast of comedian Hannah Gadsby.
		He just said you have to admit she's not funny, and it's just, uh, it's kind of funny.
		Dave Chappelle's basically striking back, rejecting the cancellation of him as a comedian, but this is an interesting subject because I'm not entirely sure Dave Chappelle will survive the cancel attempt, because these activists show up in front of the building, as you may have seen with this big protest, they attack people, the media lies on their behalf, and it goes viral.
		But I gotta say, Dave Chappelle's response right now might actually be what helps fend this off.
		Because he's refusing to back down in such a way, maybe we'll get something good out of it.
		So we gotta talk about that.
		And I wanna talk about CNN's ratings being just absolutely miserable.
		The ratings for Joe Biden's town hall were in the gutter.
		And then we have Arrest Fauci trending.
		Because Fauci was funding some very disturbing animal experiments and now people want him to be arrested.
		So we'll talk about that.
		We'll talk about a lot.
		There's a lot going on.
		Cops quitting.
		Cops protesting in New York.
		Marching down the street chanting, let's go Brandon.
		We've got San Francisco prosecutors quitting.
		People in SF saying you can't live here anymore.
		It's too dangerous.
		So, joining us to talk about all of this is Mark Hemingway.
		Do you want to introduce yourself?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hi, I'm Mark Hemingway.
		I am a senior writer for Real Clear Investigations, and I have worked at three magazines, two daily newspapers, a financial wire service, and a think tank over the course of my career.
		And yeah, so I'm glad to be here at the future of journalism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a book behind you.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So I co-wrote this book with my wife behind me.
		It's on the 2020 election.
		It's called Rigged.
		I'm gonna have to turn around to remember the subtitle.
		How the Media, Big Tech, and Democrats Seized Our Elections.
		And so this book was kind of an attempt to make sense of what happened in 2020.
		Um, where, you know, there was a lot of crazy, you know, things that people were saying about what happened or did happen after the election.
		But the truth is, you know, my wife and I stepped back and took like, you know, 30,000 foot view of the election where you have big tech censorship.
		You have all these crazy COVID narratives.
		Um, you know, you have rule changes.
		Yeah.
		There were massive changes across the board to election rules because of the pandemic and everything else.
		mail-in balloting being this massive thing that happened, and really looked at how the
		election happened.
		And I think we came to the conclusion, I think a lot of people did, we felt very uneasy about
		the election, which is to say that I'm not out here saying the election was stolen, but
		was it a situation here where people would say it was free and fair and wasn't substantially
		corrupt?
		I don't think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Easy way to put it is Time Magazine's The Shadow Campaign to Save the Election.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		We talk a lot about that in the book.
		I mean, they literally called a coalition of corporate interests coming together to oust Donald Trump a cabal in Time Magazine.
		And somehow this wasn't setting off klaxons.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You guys are crazy conspiracy theorists.
		They were just fortifying it.
		All right.
		Welcome back, beautiful and amazing human beings.
		This is Ogrodowski here of WeAreChange.org.
		And we just had an incredible event just a few hours ago here in West Virginia.
		It was awesome.
		I remember going on stage and I don't know what happened, but something happened where I just was speaking my mind and I was just, I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
		I don't want to take over this event.
		But it was really incredible.
		It was really awesome.
		And I was so happy to be a part of it.
		And thanks.
		Thank you guys for organizing it.
		And oh, yeah.
		The shirt I have on will either get you instant friends or enemies and it says the media is the virus and you could get yours on thebestpoliticalshirts.com It was invigorating to be eight feet away from you when you lit fire like a lightning rod on stage the other night.
		I don't know what happened.
		I was just like, ah!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The spirit embodies you, Luke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lit fire like a lightning rod.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I'm part Slavic, too, I think, deep down.
		I'm actually just looking at Rogan's Instagram, and I see him, Chappelle, Donnell, Tom Segura, and Jeff Ross played in Nashville.
		I think Dave's going to be OK.
		He's got a good group of friends.
		I'm going to keep him grounded and keep him—because really, you can be famous as you want, you can still go crazy, but when you have good friends, that's what you need.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		True that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that's what he's got.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I'm glad to be here as well.
		Our event was fantastic.
		I wish that more people could have come.
		I'm hoping that we can expand as we go along, but we need to get our chops and see if we can make everything work perfectly for everyone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Before we get to the news, my friends, head over to TimCast.com, become a member.
		We're going to have a members-only segment coming up around 11 or so p.m., and you'll be supporting our fierce and independent journalists.
		As you can see right here in the member content for the Green Room show, which is Fridays,
		we got behind the scenes with Viva Fry and Robert Barnes.
		You'll definitely want to check that out.
		It's just fun hanging out.
		It's not super heavy political stuff.
		You know, you can see us.
		We're chilling.
		Look how happy we are just chilling there in the Green Room.
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		friends.
		Let's talk about some news.
		And I want to start with Dave Chappelle because, you know, I was talking about the Alec Baldwin
		I believe new information has emerged showing that Alec Baldwin is potentially criminally responsible for this.
		And I'm not trying to make this a segment about Alec Baldwin, but I want to explain.
		This is a guy who is the producer in a movie.
		Who knew there had been a negligent discharge multiple times, was then handed a weapon, did not check it, even though he's been trained for decades, pointed it at the crew, pulled the trigger, killing a woman.
		And you see all these people on the left saying, he's not at fault, it was an accident.
		There was a post on Reddit where they were like, if you think that a guy who accidentally shot someone should go to jail, but the president shouldn't, you know, Donald Trump.
		Then they're like, something's wrong with you.
		And I'm like, let me just say it one more time.
		Alec Baldwin was a producer on the movie.
		There had been two separate negligent discharges the crew knew about.
		Some crew had walked off the set.
		He has been trained in how to handle the firearms on different movies.
		And he didn't.
		Which means there's got to be a criminal investigation into what he knew and what he didn't.
		Now I bring that up because it's purely cultural.
		The politics don't matter.
		Alec Baldwin is an activist, right?
		So everyone's like, oh, you know, Alec Baldwin, we gotta protect him.
		That's really what it's about.
		So when I see the story with Dave Chappelle, now to segue into why the Dave Chappelle story matters, I actually was saying in the past week or so with this whole Dave Chappelle Netflix thing, you get the Netflix employees coming out, physically attacking a guy, claiming that after they destroy his sign, claim it's now a weapon.
		Then the media reports that the guy was actually the one attacking them.
		Culture is everything.
		And they've got the media, they've got cultural institutions.
		But Dave Chappelle did something funny.
		Variety says Dave Chappelle, willing to discuss the closer with trans community, but says he's not bending to anybody's demands.
		This is not true.
		Dave Chappelle actually says members of the LGBTQ plus and trans community were supportive of him.
		These are the activists.
		These are the wingnut activists, the political actors, not people who are simply LGBTQ.
		And he said, quote, I want everyone in this audience to know, that even though the media frames it, that it's me versus that community, that is not what it is.
		Do not blame the LGBTQ community for any of this crap.
		This has nothing to do with them.
		It's about corporate interests, and what I can say, and what I cannot say.
		For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that community has been loving and supportive, supporting, so I don't know what all this nonsense is about.
		He said, I believe Chappelle also spoke about the upcoming documentary.
		This film that I made was invited to every film festival in the United States, and some of those invitations I accepted.
		When this controversy came out about the closure, they began disinviting me from these film festivals.
		And now today, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival, nobody will touch this film.
		Thank God for Ted Sarandos and Netflix.
		He's the only one that didn't cancel me yet.
		This is important context.
		People did not realize that Dave Chappelle has been cancelled across the board, but he's standing defiant.
		They go on to say, though Chappelle said he was willing to meet with some members of the trans community, Or the activist community.
		See how they try to do that with variety?
		They try to make these extremists the entirety of the trans community.
		I'm pretty sure Blair White's a member of that community.
		We had a fan at the event Saturday who was trans.
		This is not fair.
	He says he jokingly listed off a slew of conditions that would have to be met.
	To the transgender community, I am more than willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me.
	I'm not bending to anybody's demands.
	And if you want to meet with me, I'd be more than willing to, but I have some conditions.
	First of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end.
	You must come to a place of my choosing at a time of my choosing.
	And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.
	There it was.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Brilliant.
		Smart.
		I loved it.
		And that was the perfect response we needed right now.
		There's a huge conflict happening.
		And we also have to understand that this is not just Dave Chappelle shooting shots for no reason.
		Hannah Gadsby attacked Dave and the CEO of Netflix before.
		The CEO of Netflix came out in response to a lot of this ... controversy by saying quote so we have sex education orange ... is the new black control Z Hannah Gadsby and Dave Chappelle ... all on Netflix key to this is increasing diversity on the ... content team itself now that's a simple response saying hey ... everyone here gets a voice on this platform on this very ... important platform and Hannah responded on Instagram.
		By saying quote Ted just a quick note to let you know that I would prefer if you didn't drag my name into your mess now I have to deal with even more of the hate and anger that Dave Chappelle's fans like to unleash on me every time Dave gets $20 million.
		So those are very big words by her.
		partial world views and then later she adds you didn't pay me nearly enough to
		deal with this with the real-world consequences of the hate speech
		whistling you refuse to acknowledge F you Ted you're and you're amoral
		algorithm cult so those are very big words by her yeah well I think a lot of
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		people are angry at Gatsby for you know continuing to marketing market what she
		I mean, that would induce some kind of hateful response in me if I was told this was going to be funny and I watched what she did.
		But, you know, you've made a really excellent point there, though, about how they keep trying to say that this activist fringe represents this wide swath of people.
		I saw Andrew Sullivan speak just a couple of weeks ago, and he made this point Where he said, you know, it's been crazy.
		You know, I'm a gay man.
		You know, my historical civil rights struggle and whatever else there is about my identity is not the same as a lesbian.
		It's not the same as a bisexual.
		It's not the same as a transsexual.
		And with Q, they're just including every white woman with blue hair.
		I mean, it's absolutely insane that somehow you can claim to speak for so many people and everyone just accept that as a fact.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll say this.
		I'll take credit for being at least somewhat right in this regard, because I was saying when this was starting, I think Dave Chappelle is going to lose this one.
		Yeah, no.
		I think you're right.
		Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
		they're trying to cancel Dave Chappelle and I think it and I said actually I
		think it might work to hear Dave come out and say that he's being disinvited
		from film festivals and no one will touch this film anymore they got him I
unidentified		yeah no I I think you're right I'm a closer yeah I'm pretty sure he's talking
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		about the closer so closer The Closer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We should put it on TimCast.com, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, Netflix owns it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It's licensed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But he's saying, he says, the film I made was invited to every film festival in the US.
		When the controversy came out, he got disinvited from all of these film festivals.
		It was only Netflix that were willing to take him.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think this only happened because he opened up that possibility by ending the comedy special seriously.
		And I think if he would have laughed it off, I think it would have been like sticks and stones.
		That's just my own personal opinion on this matter.
		But again, as you see, Hannah Gatsby responds very seriously.
		The best way to disarm someone who's too serious and taking themselves way too seriously is to laugh at them.
		So this was the perfect response to Hannah.
		And a lot of people are laughing about this.
		A lot of people are talking about this.
		This is something that could go either way, but the shots were fired back by Dave.
		It was good to see those shots fired.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I also want to say, I think people make a mistake in thinking that this is somehow about the audience.
		I mean, this is really about what's going on internally at all of these entertainment companies.
		A couple months back, I did a story on digital advertising and how there are all these boycotts against right-leaning media and stuff like that.
		I talked to an advertising exec, and he made this point explicitly.
		He said, it used to be when this stuff first started happening, you'd go to the company and you'd say, look, this is just a social media fracas.
		It's going to blow over in 48 hours.
		You've got nothing to worry about.
		Now it's totally different.
		The culture has penetrated these companies.
		So what you've got to worry about is like, you know, Sarandos at
		Netflix or whatever, dealing with his, you know, top 10, 10
		of his top executives coming to him saying, you know, I'm not going to
		work at this company if you continue to act this way, because they're all
		what that's the that's the.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fire him.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They got to fire these people.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, they also have to deal with the ESG and a lot of the big banks and a lot of the big institutions that are pushing pressure on them.
		So it's not just Netflix and the employees there.
		I mean, even with that protest, I mean, did you see how the media hyped it up?
		A thousand people are going to come out.
		Maybe a few dozen.
		Let's be honest here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that was actually fair.
		So I saw the criticism that there was one source that said, we estimate 1,000 people will come.
		The media ran it and then everyone picked the story up.
		But as you know, Luke, whenever you see a social media post saying, come to this event, and there are invites given out, on Facebook, when it says 1,000, we always would be like, that means 100.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because you get 10 times as many people saying they will go, and a 10th show up.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But this is also important to bring up because they had the mainstream media hyping this up.
		So people were hearing about this.
		People knew about this far and wide.
		They were doing the... They showed up!
		Exactly.
		I mean, when you compare that, we also have to understand that on the bigger backdrop of it.
		Again, that just proves what I was saying.
		This is not about what audiences want out of comedy.
		This is about the imperatives of corporations.
		perspective.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		But again, that just proves that I was saying this is not about what audiences want out
		of comedy.
		This is about the imperatives of corporations.
		That's what this is about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that, you know, Dave Chappelle is it's like a grandfathering and kind of thing
		where when Dave Chappelle's career ends, when he gets old and moves on, we will never see
		a Dave Chappelle for this this new time period.
		So, I'll put it this way.
		Assuming that... You know what?
		Let me slow down.
		Michael Malice likes to say, you know, these people are so dumb.
		How could you possibly think we're going to lose?
		And I'm like, dude, zombies are dumb too, but a lot of them overwhelm the system and then people are running, at least in movies.
		If Dave Chappelle is saying that festivals are canceling him, and he's the king, Joe Rogan said he's possibly the funniest guy, the funniest comedian on the planet, then what does that mean for where we're headed?
		So what happens now is, you know what, I was actually thinking that Dave Chappelle might survive this.
		He might survive the cancellation to a certain degree.
		And then, what would happen is they would just be like, let him age out.
		Once he's no longer in media or relevant, we just don't let the next generation do it.
		So there was that guy, Shane, what's his name?
		The guy from SNL who was like, he got fired?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, I don't remember his last name.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Gillis.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shane the Gillis?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's Shane Gillis.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let me double check that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is a really good example.
		Shane Gillis did an Asian accent stereotype.
		You remember this story?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then he got fired.
		Chappelle on Netflix did an even more egregious, where he like made the face and everything, and it was celebrated.
		They cheered for it.
		They even gave him another special at, you know, 20 plus million dollars.
		So for a while I thought, okay, they're gonna not let any of the new guys, any new people with this kind of humor, edgy humor, get jobs, and they'll tolerate the old comedians until they're finally gone.
		Now it's like they're even nuking Chappelle now.
		You know, so I'm not... I don't want to be... I think people need to realize, if the story ended there, fine.
		I guess you'd call it pessimistic, but I'm not saying the story ends there.
		I'm saying we're doing stuff.
		We just had an event with Ryan Long.
		I can't say what Ryan Long said.
unidentified		He's hilarious.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		He's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it was insane.
		Everyone was like, Ryan Long is an amazing comedian.
		And then he was like... I can't spoil any of the jokes, but it was extremely offensive.
		You had people going like, oh man, but it was hilarious.
		And you're not going to find that on Netflix.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		No, you're not going to find that.
		But I do think things are happening like so like Václav Havel in Czechoslovakia, you know, he wrote this famous essay where he talked about the creation of a parallel polis.
		Meaning that, you know, when you live in a culture that is so, you know, dominated by lies, that it's necessary for the people that don't want to live by those lies to like create up, you know, their own institutions, their own culture and live by that.
		Now, the crazy thing about this, what's happening is they're foisting all this stuff on us from the top down, right?
		But at the same time, we're not communist Czechoslovakia, you know, I mean, you know, maybe You know, it's not dark yet.
		It's getting there.
		But we still live in a culture where we can build our own institutions.
		We can do new things like, you know, this show, for instance.
		We can build up a parallel polis.
		And maybe if we do enough of that, then we can supplant this sort of, you know, dominant ideology.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely.
		Especially with the way psychedelics break people out of that crap.
		I think that they're like in D.C.
		now.
		They've decriminalized psilocybin.
		I think pretty much Washington state like that will shatter this nonsense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		There's a lot of people who live in this matrix, you know?
		But I want to say something.
		I want to say I was enlightened today when my name was trending on Twitter.
		Oh.
		And it was also trending alongside Noam Chomsky.
		For one reason.
		Dune.
		The new movie.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You saw it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I saw half of it, because we walked out of the theater.
		I will say this, and I'm trying to be offensive, so get ready to be offended, Dune fans.
		The only people who like Dune are the originalists who are fans of the book.
		They understand what they're watching and they're amazed and inspired by the cinematography,
		the art, it was beautiful, the music was amazing, incredible, and robots that were made to be
		on the internet to prop up the movie and try and help sell it.
		But I genuinely think they're trying to, you know, we talked about this after we walked
		out, I think they're trying to tank the movie because they released it for free on HBO Max
		and the theater was empty.
		But I was going to say, you know, I'm trending on Twitter and I'm like, this is why there's
		going to be a civil war.
		Not seriously about Dune, but we walked into the theater.
		I said the movie was too slow.
		There was no story in the hour we watched.
		It was confusing and nothing was happening to the hardcore Dune fans.
		They totally understood it.
		We walked out.
		But to see the amount of hate that was generated by this and a ton of the tweets were basically like, They were political.
		The leftist Dune fans were attacking me over politics for me saying I didn't enjoy a movie.
		And I'm like, we are absolutely effed if we're at a point where these leftists are all sharing my tweet.
		My name was trending because leftists were quoting me and sharing it around.
		I had high-profile YouTubers on the left.
		That was their big attack.
		That was it.
		Not a policy position.
		Because what do I tweet about where they're going to be like, this is something I disagree with.
		I look at things like that, which in turn, like the Alec Baldwin thing, that's why I think culture is the most important thing.
		Otherwise, or I should say, what's happening is that there are people like Noam Chomsky, and we'll start talking about Noam Chomsky in a minute, who think that they own all culture, the entire country, and that they are the dominant force with supreme power.
		And then there are people who realize that's not true, and these people are moral absolutists and authoritarians.
		But I wonder, you know, if people, if any of those people will realize that they don't have the majorities they think they do.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think sometimes we might be too hard on ourselves, and I think we should celebrate some victories, especially when it comes to alternatives, whether it's this show, Rogan, and others.
		We have to understand, even with all the odds against us, even with the algorithms, even with the demonetizations, the down rankings, and the controlling of the algorithms, still our voices are heard, and I think that's a victory in itself.
		But even if they do cancel Dave at these festivals, these festivals are missing out on a real discussion that people really want to have about these issues that is honest, that isn't censored, that isn't squeezy-cleaned, that isn't people lecturing them about what they think is right.
		So I think these voices will always be heard in one way or another, and it's a good thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We did this event on Saturday.
		We had a bunch of people come out, and someone asked me about Joe Rogan, and they said they felt like Joe Rogan was letting us down in terms of the culture war and standing up for freedom and stuff.
		You know, and I basically was like, dude, Joe Rogan has done more for freedom than, you know, almost anyone else, and he's an incredibly powerful voice in media that, you know, we're grateful to have, but...
		I will say, you know, I was disappointed that he performed at Madison Square Garden over the VAX mandate.
		He says he's against it, but here we go.
		And then we were actually just talking before the show about CNN with Sanjay Gupta and then Michael Malice.
		We were talking about how, you know, Rogan called Don Lemon a dumb mother effer.
		Yep!
		And then CNN tripled down.
		But you were mentioning to us about how he was defending CNN even.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, Joe Rogan clearly has a personal relationship with Jeff Zucker who runs CNN.
		But before he ran CNN, he was he headed up NBC when Joe Rogan was was, you know, doing Fear Factor over there.
		And, you know, on one hand, I respect that, you know, Joe Rogan has a personal relationship with somebody doesn't immediately want to, like, throw them under the bus.
		But on the other hand, I don't know what to say.
		I mean, he was saying lots of things along the lines of, you know, well, media are important.
		You know, we've got to, you know, work with these, you know, people.
		We've got to deal with this.
		And it was just, like, completely conflicting.
		Like, on one hand, they have literally just personally attacked him, slandered him on air, said things that were patently untrue about what he did.
		You know, I mean, the ivermectin thing was insane.
		I mean, the guy also took monoclonal antibodies, which is, like, the standard medical therapeutic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why doesn't he sue?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a really good question.
		I mean, we really need more people that can stand up and challenge media organizations in ways that it's going to make them hurt.
		I've written a lot about this before where, you know, the media in this America have, you know, amazing libel protections.
		It's very hard to sue a media company, especially if you're a public figure and, you know, do anything with that.
		And for a long time, I think that was a source of pride in this country.
		In the UK and other countries, there are a lot of frivolous libel lawsuits, but we've
		kind of gone to the extreme.
		I think maybe 60 years ago, there was a big public interest in protecting large media
		organizations that were doing important corruption reporting and things like that at a time when
		there weren't a lot of alternatives to do media stuff.
		Now increasingly, you see things like the Covington Kid incident, just really capricious
		mean stuff coming from the media directed at people clearly for political motivations
		where they're using these libel laws as a sword rather than a shield.
		I mean, they know they can't be sued or they know it's gonna be difficult or costly to sue them.
		So they're just aggressively going after people in ways that are brutally unfair.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You were saying before that Times v. Sullivan was kind of assuming that the media organizations were going to be ethical and maintain that.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Which was always kind of a bad assumption, but it was a much better assumption 60 years ago than it is now, when clearly they just aren't.
		I mean, if you see what goes on, you know, in CNN or any, frankly, major news organization where the New York Times editorial staff literally says words are violence.
		That is not a regime that we can prop up under the color of law.
		Ordinary citizens and even public figures like Joe Rogan need to have an opportunity to go after these people and stop them from doing that stuff again.
		Give them an incentive.
		Bloody their nose.
		Say, don't lie about me again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When did the media become such an obvious propaganda machine?
		And I don't mean just politically.
		I mean, you look at Rotten Tomatoes, the film Death Wish with Bruce Willis.
		This is a studio film.
		This is an A-lister Hollywood celeb.
		But Death Witch got panned by critics because they called it a gun nut masturbation film.
		And it wasn't!
		It was a revenge film, like any other action film, but they went nuts on it.
		And that said to me, it's not about making money for Hollywood.
		It's about making sure only specific ideologies get the promotion from the machine.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's Jon Stewart.
		Jack Posobiec said this on the show last week, that Jon Stewart basically weaponized comedy and politics and combined them.
		And I was like, I love Jon Stewart, it hurt to hear that.
		But before that, it didn't exist.
		And after that, it started to.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We also have to admit that this is their greatest weapon, but it's also their greatest weakness.
		Because the more disingenuous, the more they lie, the more they just make stuff up and attack Children, or grandmothers who meme at their door and try to dox them like CNN did.
		The more they just become more and more outrageous, the more people realize, hey, this is getting to a really sick level, and we need some alternatives here immediately.
		And they will turn to alternatives.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Onion kind of started it too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When people saw how popular it was to just say things that were patently false, and like put a little disclaimer at the bottom and be like, by the way, this is all a joke.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Dangerous, you know dangerous. Yeah, I think for a long time, you know
		We had a healthier culture in the sense that there was kind of a cultural realm and there was a political realm and
		there was A little bit of overlap as there always was but by and
		large those things were kept separate and I you know I don't know. I mean, it's sort of the postmodern influence.
		I think just everything got crazy meta like Andrew Bartmart used to say, you know politics is
		downstream from culture and that's that's true to a large extent and
		And there was this kind of like meta realization across the board that that was the case.
		So all of a sudden, the narratives in culture literally became the quote unquote narrative, meaning that they realized they could use that to control things.
		So, you know, in the case of Dune or something, we can't just talk about how House Harkonnen, you know, is an interesting metaphor that might have some salience for our political situation or whatever.
		It immediately becomes a, you know, a method of attack for Tim simply because he didn't enjoy a movie.
		You know, everything is political now.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was funny because Breitbart said politics is downstream from culture.
		Then we started hearing the social justice activists, the woke, saying that the culture is political, or the cultural is political.
		And then you have people pushing back saying, no, it's not.
		And I'm like, it is.
		I think we should take Breitbart's statement one step further and say politics does not even matter.
		The way I explained this before is, Here's an example, you know, you ever see those book wacky laws?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's like laws from the 1800s where it's like no apple pies cooling on the windowsill on Tuesday at 7 p.m.
		Never gonna be enforced today.
		Why?
		Culture.
		The politics, the legislation, the laws are completely meaningless.
		Now, to a certain extent, I'm obviously being a little hyperbolic, if there's something on the books and we're like, I disagree with this law, and then they're gonna be like, yeah, well, you know, the law's the law, and you go, oh, I guess.
		However, over time, when culture changes, those laws become completely meaningless.
		And they can remain in the books, and politicians can say that you can't do that, and people do it anyway.
		So if that's the case, then culture is everything.
		And if we're not advocating for freedom and liberty and pushing back against authoritarianism, then you will live in authoritarian woke matrix.
		And that's where the Democrats, the people who live in these bubbles, the activists screaming at this guy, at the Dave Chappelle thing, they live in the social credit system.
		You can choose to live in it or you can choose to walk away.
		But right now we're seeing it get bigger and bigger.
		And Dave Chappelle has just been flunked out of the social credit system.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to what you just said.
		I mean, the whole point of the way the American political system was set up previously, it was to be a quote-unquote limited government, precisely because they expected everyone to live basically the full spectrum of their lives in the cultural sphere.
		And now you can't get away.
		I mean, and that is in and of itself very much a form of tyranny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're basically two separate cultures demanding each other abide by the rules of the other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that is untenable.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		At least two.
		The court of public opinion is so real.
		Now that everyone's in public, it's like the evolution of law.
		Obviously, if Beaumarchais, for instance, I don't know if you guys are familiar with him, he was a French revolutionary, basically aided the Americans, and was the number one French guy that helped.
		He should be considered one of the founding fathers.
		He got into legal trouble, but because he was such a celebrity, they just overlooked it, let him out.
		Like Alec Baldwin.
		Maybe what we're going to see with Alec Baldwin, like what we saw with the guy that kneeled on George Floyd's neck.
		I mean, that was public opinion.
		That was a court of public opinion that transpired.
		So the laws, they write them down on paper, but in reality, it's what the people feel and say and do that matters.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Just to add another layer to this, that that is also manipulated because when you look at what's promoted, highlighted on social media, what's shown to you first, it's the ideas that they want you to believe in.
		So if they want to make everyone feel that everyone's outraged about this specific thing, they're only going to be showing you that on social media to the point where it actually creates that situation because everyone's going to see, this is what people are doing.
		I want to fit in.
		I want to be normal.
		I'm going to be doing this as well.
		So I would actually point at big tech social media.
		As being far more responsible at setting the culture than of course the mainstream media.
		Less and less people are watching the mainstream media.
		Less and less people are watching Jimmy Fallon and Stephen Colbert.
		People hate to be lectured to.
		People hate to be preached to.
		And that's exactly what the mainstream media does.
		I mean, just a couple years ago, I remember Leno and Letterman, and the way I remember them is that they would make fun of the Democrats and the Republicans.
		They would talk about celebrity gossip, nonsense.
		They would rarely get as political as the current commentators do now, to the point where we have all these commentators saying the same thing at the same time slot with very little political difference because they're literally preaching establishment bootlicking talking points.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If we see a fascist dictatorship take over, it's going to be corporate.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Yes, without a doubt.
		The corporatocracy, the multinational corporations, they're the ones essentially here creating not only the ESG score that we talked about with Jack Posobiec when he was on the show.
		This is a very important element.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Corporate social credit score.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		The corporate social credit score.
		These are the people calling the shots here, and with them calling the shots, they don't just implement this, they create this idea that this is popular, this is public opinion.
		They shape public opinion by pretending that it is reality, when in the beginning phases it's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go with a little bit of good news, but also kind of bad news.
		And I'll start with a question.
		Joe Biden recently appeared on CNN.
		Mark, how many viewers do you think they attracted to that spectacle with the President of these United States?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So because I'm an insane media junkie, I believe it was 1.42 million.
unidentified		1.42?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Fox News has 1.2.
unidentified		OK, sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You were giving too much to Joe Biden.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I was quoting CNN math.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so here we have the story from Fox News.
		CNN's Brian Stelter avoids networks poorly watched Biden Town Hall and Reliable Sources media show.
		CNN's primetime event averaged only 1.2 million viewers, finishing in third place behind Fox News and MSNBC.
		Think about what this means.
		That doesn't mean what you think it means.
		My natural reaction was, wow, people would rather watch the Daily Fox or MSNBC as opposed to the President give a town hall?
		Man, Biden must suck.
		Well, the better way to put it is, people don't care about Biden.
		They would rather watch their cannon fodder for the culture war.
		That's that's what's actually important.
		Biden is irrelevant in the culture war.
		He was not Trump.
		Therefore, he got votes.
		But right now, we're seeing that for one, OK, here's the good news.
		CNN is in crisis.
		You know, they can't even get more than they can't.
		They can't even get a couple million viewers off the president himself.
		That's also indicative of what's happening to this country with Fox and MSNBC doing better.
		People want the fight.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I think that's absolutely true.
		But at the same time, I mean, CNN has become MSNBC.
		I mean, there's no difference there.
		For a long time in cable news, they differentiated themselves.
		Fox was a conservative network, MSNBC was a liberal network.
		And CNN was, they were the liberal media, but they were at least trying to like, you know, present themselves as the acceptable alternative that could be shown in airports.
		Now, I mean, they're deranged.
		I mean, their primetime network, I mean, their primetime programming, I mean, it's not really in tone and substance different from MSNBC in terms of their political till.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don Lemon may be one of the stupidest people I have ever seen.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Cuomo is also on that network.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Hey, hey, you're insulting stupid people now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember when Don Lemon asked if the missing Malaysian airline may have been sucked into a black hole?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I remember that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a true story.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Good stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's CNN, desperate for ratings.
		He's like, but is it possible?
		I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And people were like, oh, come on, Tim.
		He was just having a little bit of fun.
		And I'm like, dude.
		If you want to speculate on what could have happened to a plane, a black hole swallowing it is the stupidest possible thing to even joke about because a black hole wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the planet without destroying substantially more than just one airplane.
		But that's CNN for you.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		These are the trusted name in news, Tim.
		I mean, they're the ones that YouTube trusts more than anyone else.
		They're the ones that they get put on the top of the list.
		They get shown to everyone.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So years ago, David Foster Wallace wrote this really interesting essay about conservative talk radio for The Atlantic back in the day.
		Supposedly, Wallace was an interesting guy.
		Supposedly, he was a big Rush Limbaugh fan.
		I don't know if he agreed with Limbaugh's politics, but like, he just liked listening to radio.
		And he made this observation in the piece where he was talking to all these talk radio people about how they would harp on the same subjects over and over again, about how they compared talk radio and the ideas and the way they talked about things to, you know, regular radio, where it's like, look, just because the morning DJ played the hit song doesn't mean that you as the evening DJ don't get to play the hit song.
		Everybody wants to hear the hit song.
		And I think cable news has carried that approach forever.
		Like the Malaysia Airlines thing is a classic example.
		They just, you know, clung to this story because it was getting CNN meager ratings at the time.
		And then they were in a slow news cycle for a couple of weeks. And so they just
		pumped that story. So you get Don Lemon, who is already, you know, has the brains God gave trout,
		you know, saying things about black holes eventually, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He ran out of stuff to talk about.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		But they're still clinging to this model where they just say the same things over and over and
		over again. And And the media environment isn't even what it was 10 years ago where you have so many other alternatives.
		You want to hear a new and fresh perspective.
		You've got a million other things that you can hear rather than, you know, one of three or four broadcast networks.
		And they just haven't woken up to that reality.
		It's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think what they realized is that with the internet and the infinite, you know, field of choices, that they need to find their specific audience that will stick to them and why.
		It used to be that there were very few channels to watch.
		You know, we had four major networks or whatever, and then all of a sudden you have the cable channels.
		And CNN was getting massive viewership just by virtue of being 24-hour news.
		I mean, they were the original, you know, 24-hour news channel, so they had the ratings.
		People would turn it on in airports and hotels, and they worked these deals out.
		With the internet, people can choose to go read whatever news they want.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they can choose the news that's actually comforting to them, and they do, which is bad.
		So CNN realized, we better start pandering as much as possible to a certain crowd.
		And when Trump came out, the stuff that made him the most money was not liking Trump, so then they said, we need opinion guys who don't like Trump, so now they're MSNBC.
		How do you recover from that, though?
		Because when Trump's gone, what do you got left?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		That's it. And the other part of that story, though, was the credibility they lost during that time because they
		went so hard after Trump.
		They went down, say, a Trump Russia collusion rabbit hole that, you know, I just don't even know how that you can
		even call yourself a journalist after publishing that stuff.
		That's crazy for so many years.
		I mean, and again, they just are like buffaloing through all this.
		Like, new media doesn't exist.
		Like, you know, the fact that they have been undermining trust on the major story that occupied a news cycle for three years turned out to be false.
		I mean, they're just pretending.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They win awards for it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And they attack people that call them out on it.
		The people who, from the very beginning, were like, they're full of crap.
		There's no evidence.
		There's no documents.
		There's nothing to prove their story.
		They were vilified.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I think the New York Times won a Pulitzer for For their Trump-Russia reporting in, what was it, like March of 2019.
		And the Mueller report happened like three months later.
		I mean, like, literally everything they just want to pull this report was, like, invalidated.
		It's madness.
		And yet they just pretend that these things aren't happening.
		Like, look, I mean, this is a great show.
		I'm a fan of the show.
		I'm here tonight because I enjoy it, but I've also got a book to promote.
		And I'm here because you guys are legit competition to the cable news.
		You've got a million subscribers on YouTube.
		Cable news people don't think that way.
		They're still kind of, you know, in the dark about this.
		And it's because they're so egotistical.
		They don't understand Americans are hungry for other perspectives.
		They don't understand we have alternatives.
		And they don't understand they're, frankly, getting better information elsewhere.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're also public companies, so they have to make profits.
		This company will make profits because it's awesome and well-designed, but it's not about the profits.
		It's about the message.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I get invited on Fox News a lot more than I used to.
		I used to be invited on periodically for specific stories.
		Now it just feels like the guys over at Fox will hit me up twice a month or whatever and be like, hey, do you want to come on this segment?
		I just did a segment the other day, and I was thinking to myself afterwards, why am I even doing this anymore?
		Like, they hit me up and they're like, yo, we'll send out a van.
		It's really easy.
		It's 10 minutes.
		You just pop in.
		And I'm like, yeah, sure, why not, right?
		And then this time around, I got out of the truck.
		They have these satellite vans.
		They're not satellite vans.
		They're cell bonding vans.
		And I was just like, why am I even bothering going on this, you know, to talk for a few minutes?
		And I'll tell you, like, my thought process was, Shows like this, it's raw.
		It's just a couple hours.
		We talk.
		I do have a bunch of stories I'm like, I want to get to and I don't want to, I don't, I want to make sure we don't just beat a dead horse and talk about too much over and over again.
		So I'll be like, okay, let's, you know, try and change the subject on this, you know, so, so there is some structure to it.
		But for the most part, if a conversation happens, the conversation happens.
		You go on Fox News and they're like, some days they're like, it's going to be five minutes.
		And they talked to me for 10, and I'm like, what's going on?
		Like, they're still talking to me.
		And then they were like, you were doing so well.
		They just kept going with it.
		And I'm like, I got a deadline.
		I got to be inside.
		And there are some times where they're like, it's a 10 minute segment.
		And they're like, oof.
		And they just cut it off after the first sentence, because they don't want you to say what you're saying, or they don't like what you're saying.
		And I'm just like, people don't want this.
		People don't want, you know, I think this is why you see the key demo ratings for these big networks are in the gutter.
		Their overall ratings are good.
		If you go by key demo, we absolutely beat all of the big cable shows.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I mean, for a number of years now, I just refused to do interviews with the mainstream media.
		There's nothing to win.
		A lot of people, you don't get that engagement.
		You don't get that kind of honest, real kind of conversations that could really delve into issues that people could get to know you from, that people could interact and engage with you.
		Like here, I got the comment section open because your voice matters.
		I want to interact with you people.
		back there they have make up rooms they they live in this kind of world of
		delusion where they think they're all mighty and powerful and they have the
		money to pretended that they are but at the end of the day it's just pretend for
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		them well i'll push back a little and and simply say that you
		know for the time being
		a lot of those issues still do bring a level of sort of resources if nothing
		else and or you know some degree of professionalism in terms of editing
		nothing's that most you know online media outlets that are competing or new media outlets can't haven't quite
		cotton caught up to some of them have more of them will we will get to that
		point But I would push back and I would say that when we're talking about ethics, the mainstream media has a very lower quality than people online.
		Look at WMDs.
		narrow circles that matter. Republican congressmen are watching Fox News and that matters.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Trump is watching Fox News. But I would push back and I would say that when we're talking
		about ethics, the mainstream media has a very lower quality than people online. Look at
		WMDs. Look at the lies that they told and the effects that they've been having on people
		that cost people to die.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Republicans care more about the opinion of the New York Times than they do of the
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		opinion of their constituents.
unidentified		Yes.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but this is the thing.
		One thing about Trump I will say is, I think Trump woke up Republicans specifically, and Americans more generally, to the problems of getting mixed up with the media.
		Trump was the first, you know, sort of large public figure that basically said, you know what, I don't have to leak this story to the New York Times.
		I can leak this story to Breitbart or whatever and it'll have just as much of an effect.
		And that was like a really threatening realization to them, the fact that he could go through alternative media and frequently did.
		And that was, I think, what made the media hate them a lot.
		But, you know, going back to what you were saying earlier, I mean, it is totally true that the way that the media has become so adversarial, and openly so politically, I tell this to ordinary people all the time, this happens, I'll talk to people, they will, because I, you know, know people out in the hinterlands, they're like, you're a journalist.
		Someone from the Chicago Tribune or New York Times called me and they wanted to talk about this thing that's happening in my business.
		And I'm like, 95% of the time, I'm like, absolutely not.
		Do not talk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the story of Mayo Gate?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let's tell the story of Mayo Gate.
		There was a tweet from the North Carolina GOP.
		It was a quote from a story about a business that said inflation's really bad.
		We're spending 200 bucks a week more in mayonnaise.
		Maybe.
		And so all of a sudden, because it came from Republicans, Democrats, Huffington Post, Slate,
		I don't know, a bunch of these, I think it was Slate, a bunch of these lefty outlets
		picked up the story and said that the restaurant owner was lying about the cost of mayonnaise
		to make Joe Biden look bad.
		They did this ridiculous math where they were like, if the consumer price index is up 5%,
		$200 would mean that they're spending $3,770.
		Or did I say month?
		It's $200 per week on mayonnaise.
		And so, you know what I did?
		Journalism.
		He called the restaurant and I said, is this, you know, such and such restaurant?
		I'm looking for the owner.
		And the guy said, I'm one of the partners.
		And I said, I saw a story where there's a statement from one of your, you know, principals that you were spending $200 a week more on mayonnaise.
		And he went, oh yeah, yeah.
		We go through about, you know, I can't remember the exact numbers, but he's like, we use these big five gallon drums, about 10 of them.
		They've jumped up about 18 bucks per, you know, canister or whatever.
		So, you know, do the math.
		It's like 180 bucks, 200 bucks.
		We rise it up.
		And I was like, oh, yeah, why do you use so much mayonnaise?
		Oh, it's, it's, we use it for everything.
		It's, it's for, you know, people put on their sandwiches, of course.
		We use it to make salad dressings.
		It's used in recipes.
		So we, we go through quite a bit of it.
		And I was like, and what's your restaurant's capacity?
unidentified		It's 250.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like, okay, so if you're hitting near capacity or half capacity, everybody gets a side of mayo or coleslaw or something on their sandwich.
		Yeah, going through mayonnaise.
		But they just made up a response, accused this guy of lying.
		And that's why, you know, like the guy, I ended up getting a call back from someone else there who was just like, I can't believe this is happening.
		We didn't say anything political.
		And I'm like, this is why you don't talk to the press.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm actually getting, I've been getting hit up to do shows from people and a shout out to Clint Russell and Bob Murphy econ.
		But.
		I'm concerned, even just YouTubers, because if someone does an edited show, like I'm already ridiculous on an unedited live show.
		If someone wants to take me out of context, they could destroy the way I seem.
		So even like legit YouTube channels that edit their stuff, warning signs go off when they ask me.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So as someone who's a 20 plus year veteran of, you know, major news organizations, this is something I will say that has been a huge shift in the last five or 10 years with this milkshake ducking thing that did not used to happen.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And now all of a sudden, if a private citizen finds themselves in the crosshairs of a national political story and it cuts against what the media wants, they will destroy them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to explain the milkshake duck thing?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So, um, I don't even remember the actual origins of the meme.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Somebody would have to, like, look that up for me, but, but basically it's like internet speak for, you know, taking, you know, going through a person's like social media history and trying to find, you know, something to, um, discredit them, um, when they become a matter, when they, when they become the center of public.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The original meme was something to do with like a guy who created a comic or something that everyone loved trying to be a Nazi or something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember exactly.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		But but there was that remember the classic example, I think was who's that guy like asked a question in a debate that was wearing a sweater.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		Ken bone.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, everyone was so enamored with him or whatever.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And then like, two days later, you know, everyone's like, digging up the fact that he had said some, you know, off color thing on Reddit once upon a time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is a the milkshake duck is from Ben Ward.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, at pixelated boat on Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty bullish on some kind of national dissolution, peaceful divorce, national divorce, civil war, whatever.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		You're bullish on civil war?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean to say that's something I want to happen.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're saying that you're thinking the likelihood of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm looking at it like, wow, that's gonna happen.
		And it's crazy that there's been a lot of things that, you know, Jack Murphy likes to mention this.
		It was last year in January, we had a conversation about a lot of things.
		We predicted a bunch of stuff that was going to happen based on what we were seeing.
		And I remember Jack hitting me up being like, dude, you need to go back and watch the episode we did.
		It was like the first guest we ever had.
		And he was like, we predicted a lot.
		I was like, really?
		And he's like, yeah, dude.
		And I was like, wow.
		So I see these things in media, and I think one of the things about it... There are a lot of people who tell me I'm crazy for bringing it up, but now it's starting to change.
		Man, I thought it was so funny.
		I'm not afraid to speak my mind and give my opinions, even if people think they're dumb.
		Like when I was like, I didn't like Dune.
		Everyone's like, you're insane!
		Dune's the greatest movie!
		I'm like, I don't care.
		If I feel the way, I'll say it.
		Back in the day, when I used to talk about Civil War, people would be like, you're nuts, it'll never happen.
		Now I have people being like, so you've been talking about Civil War, like I did Russell Brand's podcast, and he's like, yeah, you said Civil War, and then I go through all the details.
		We had a shooting in Pacific Northwest.
		Let me show you this story.
		So you can explain, so you can understand how I feel.
		This is a tweet from Max Blumenthal, he's a leftist, and it's from a show Primo Radical.
		He says, Noam Chomsky doubles down on his previous call for the state to segregate the unvaccinated from society.
		Quote, how can we get food to them?
		Well, that's actually their problem.
		Let me play this video.
unidentified		When you talk about folks having the freedom to, you know, separate if they don't want to abide by these vaccine mandates, What would that look like on a practical level?
		Does that mean that folks need to stay home and have groceries delivered to them?
		Does it mean separated communities of folks who are unvaccinated?
		How do you think this would practically play out?
		Same way as with people who say that I don't want to accept traffic rules.
		Stupid argument.
		It's an attack on my liberty to make me stop at a red light.
		It's government overreach.
		We don't want the state to have that power over my private life.
		Well, such people have to be They should have the decency to remove themselves from the community.
		If they refuse to do that, then measures have to be taken to safeguard the community from them.
		Then comes the practical question that you ask, how can we get food to them?
		Well, that's actually their problem.
		Of course, if they really become destitute, then yes, you have to move in with some measure to secure their survival, just as you do with people in jail, for example.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So there you go.
		This is Noam Chomsky.
		He is a prominent figure on the left.
		That's why they interview him.
		And this had to be probably the most infuriating thing I've ever heard, but at least Noam Chomsky has become senile enough to admit what they want to do.
		It's not about vaccines.
		It's about mandate.
		You saw him talk about traffic laws.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If someone blew a stop sign, are we going to put them in a camp and then deliver food to them?
unidentified		No!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But think about what he's saying.
		The same thing that happens if someone refuses to abide by traffic laws.
		Yeah, they get a slap on the wrist, they get a $20 ticket, and they're told to go home.
		So when I brought up vaccine mandates, I tweeted this.
		I said, the left tries claiming that vaccine mandates have been around forever.
		Weird.
		I don't recall being carded for my medical information entering a bar before, but if you say so.
		And then in come the leftists being like, all of these mandates for like smallpox.
		Smallpox mandate.
		Supreme Court ruling, 1905.
		It was the Jacobson ruling, I believe it was called.
		It was over a $5 fine.
		The guy didn't want to pay the equivalent of $150 for not getting the vaccine.
		They didn't say you weren't allowed to go to restaurants.
		They didn't say to stay home.
		They didn't say we were going to segregate you from society.
		They didn't say we were going to cut you off from food.
		They said, pay about $150 and you're done.
		And he said, no.
		Took him to court.
		The court said, you know what, they can fine you over this.
		And that was it.
		And from that ruling we got, I think it was the Beck ruling in 1927, where they ended up sterilizing 70,000 women because they used the justification of government-mandated medical procedures to sterilize people the state deemed imbeciles.
		So when you see Noam Chomsky say, segregate these people from society, and if they want food, that's their problem.
		I hope you're paying attention to what prominent leftist figures are saying they want to do to your kids.
		Then don't come to me and say, but Tim, I can't stand up for my rights.
		My kids need food.
		Congratulations.
		When you don't, Noam Chomsky's gonna come and take it away.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And it's not just Chomsky, it's not just commentators, it's world leaders, like the Prime Minister of New Zealand that was asked directly, are you creating a two-class society of people who are vaxxed and unvaxxed with special privileges for the ones that are vaxxed?
		She responded resoundingly, Yep.
		And that's what they're literally doing in implementing as far as policies here.
		And we have to be made aware of that.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So plagues have been a major thing in human history.
		And there actually is this like extensive legal tradition of the state having extraordinary powers in the time of plague to do all kinds of things for quarantines and all this other stuff.
		But that was back again when you're talking about smallpox pre vaccine that like, you know, people were like dying in the streets with open sores and like was incredibly contagious that was, you know, killing, you know, three quarters of entire towns, like the survivability rate of COVID is, you know, Extremely high, and they're treating this like it's, you know, again, smallpox pre-vaccine.
		I mean, it never has justified these kinds of draconian measures.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, Ian brought up a really good point recently when he asked us about, you know, where the line is in terms of vaccine mandates.
		And I was like, I don't think what we're seeing warrants the kind of mandates they're doing.
		And then Ian was like, OK, so but if it's Ebola, then their rights be damned.
		And I was like, it's a good point.
		You're like airborne Ebola.
		It's aerosolized and people's insides are liquefying and they're dying.
		And then I was just like, you know, I think about it and I'm still like, then you should isolate yourself from everyone else if you don't want to take those risks.
		Which brings me back to the original ruling that the left tries to cite.
		And I want to say, I'll say two things.
		One, they said if you don't get the vaccine, it is a $5 fine.
		Just like if you blow a red light, they say it is a $50 ticket.
		$5 back then was about $150 now, as I stated.
		So for Noam Chomsky to say the same thing that happens.
		The other thing they bring up is schools.
		MMR vaccines.
		Yeah.
		If I want to go to McDonald's for a cheeseburger, I don't have to present my cards because of schools.
		Still something completely different.
		But my greater point was, if they're openly saying, if we have the power, we will do this to you, Then the only outcome I see, I see this.
		I see two groups of people pointing the finger saying, live by my rules or else.
		Technically, it's not true.
		The right tends to be saying, leave me the F alone.
		And the left says, shut your goddamn mouth.
		We are going to lock you up if we have to.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There's also a lot of pushback against Chomsky, against his point of view here.
		One person writes, glad I was able to learn a lot from reading and watching Chomsky and
		glad I was smart enough to learn when it was time to stop listening to Chomsky.
		Another person just chatted here also, Noam Chomsky is the Grinch who stole liberty and
		I would have to agree with that person.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		My entire life is...
		It's insane.
		People have been following Noam Chomsky around, transcribing his every utterance.
		Like, literally, that's what they do with him.
		And the only other figure in human history I can think of where they did this was Jesus Christ.
		And he is not Jesus Christ.
		I mean, he's said so many dumb and ill-considered things over the years.
		I think he happens to have said some interesting things over the years, what he was saying about corporate media in the 80s.
		was interesting. But he's spouted off on so many topics over the years that goes so far
		beyond his quote unquote domain of linguistics or whatever it is, that the fact that we're still
		listening to him at this point in time, never mind that he's saying things that are terrifyingly
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		authoritarian. But let's think about what he's saying. When he says we would need to take
		measures to protect society from the people who won't get vaccinated, he is operating under the
		assumption that he is society, that he controls it and that it's his.
		It's not true.
		So here's what I posted.
		When he said, the food, actually, that's their problem.
		No, no, actually, that's your problem.
		Farmers support Trump, 85 to 12.
		Oh boy.
		Truckers support Trump, 10 to 1.
		So if you think you're going to isolate these people from society, and then you will be trying to be the nice person to figure out how to feed them, you're sorely mistaken.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You'll isolate the people who bring the food to your city, and then they'll give you the finger and you'll say, but wait, I'm hungry.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Let's not sugarcoat it.
		He's calling for camps.
		He's calling for people to be relocated outside of society, outside of their homes, put into special facilities where they are concentrated.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We would ensure their survivability much like jail.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Australia is already building camps for 2020 and 2022.
		Building even more on top of that so this is not even in ... the realm of conspiracies this is not only just being ... talked about by Chomsky this is being activated in parts of ... the world right now where they have camps for people who ... don't comply the CDC director just came out today and said.
		If you're using the word re-educate unironically, I mean, you're the bad person here.
		provide counseling for them. She said specifically quote there's a plan should
		these people not want to be vaxxed. What's the plan? What's the exact details?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		She didn't really get into all that. If you're using the word re-educate unironically I mean you you
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		you're the bad person. You see that New Zealand Prime Minister lady? Yeah I saw that.
		When she was asked by a reporter, are you going to be creating two classes of people?
		Yes.
		That's exactly what we're doing.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think it's cool.
		They're not even hiding it.
		They're so emboldened by the mainstream media cheering them up and blowing smoke up their tuchuses.
		Family friendly show.
		I would have said something else.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Let's also not forget that they're shifting the definition of what's vax now.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Now all of a sudden it's going to include, you know, you don't have your seventh booster for the, you know, Omicron.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Just like they shifted the definition for herd immunity as well.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They slowly and surely destroyed the language.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		University of Denver flu vaccine mandate.
unidentified		Mm hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm just so astounded that we as a species can make so many movies, books, shorts about apocalyptic futures and nightmare dystopias, and right now we're living in one, and people are like, this is fine.
		Seeing that story about Noam Chomsky, and then seeing people, high-profile blue checkmarks, agreeing with him.
		You realize who the Nazis would have been.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's also something here which is just that our culture is so empty and devoid of meaning here.
		Now, look, I'm just speaking as a Christian.
		I live for things other than what my government does on a day-to-day business, on a day-to-day
		basis.
		But the fact that these people are, the number one thing that they're afraid of is just dying
		constantly.
		You know what?
		I'm not afraid of dying.
		I'm officially not afraid of dying for something I believe in.
		And once upon a time, that was the dominant attitude in America.
		People had things they were willing to die for.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a really interesting thing.
		You maybe just realized something.
		I'm not afraid of dying.
		I'm afraid of not living.
		So for me, when they say things like, you have to live in a cubicle, lockdown, you can't go outside, people would rather not live, but be alive.
		I'm the other way around.
		I would rather risk my life in order to live.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, look, they're going to get to live in Mark Zuckerberg's metaverse or whatever it is.
		VR goggles, they bolt to your head.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		In their beautiful pod.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the classic Huxley-Orwell distinction, right?
		enter the matrix.
		You know?
		It's, it's...
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So Omar...
		Well, but that's the classic Huxley-Orwell distinction, right?
		Yeah.
		I mean, like, you know, everyone always puts Orwell, but, you know, the reality is Huxley
		probably got it more right than Orwell, you know?
		We're all gonna sleepwalk into this because it seems like the fun thing to do.
unidentified		I actually think Luke got it more right.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Or the other one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The shirt with all of the dystopian novels and we're in between all of them.
		Because it is government overreach, but it is the pleasureification.
		It also is the censorship like Fahrenheit.
		It also is...
		V for Vendetta!
		That's the funniest part.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Very accurately, there's so many things in those movies that are playing out in true life.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of off-stunning.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Why are we so good at predicting all of this, but so terrible at reacting to any of it?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And why do people cheer on the people fighting against the big tyrannical governments and corporatists, but yet, in the real world, they're cheering them on?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like Julian Assange, but then Trump was like, I don't know who Julian Assange is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is my favorite point to make about the original Star Wars, A New Hope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I always ask people like, are you a fan of Star Wars?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You like A New Hope?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		The original one?
unidentified		Yeah.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		The original trilogy, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You think a story about a bunch of religious zealots who come from a desert, take a cargo plane and blow up a military base is a cool story?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I guess, but I was also raised Mormon.
		So my former colleague Jonathan Last is the guy that wrote the famous essay about how the Empire were actually the good guys, right?
		That got a lot of traction back in the day.
		Yeah, I mean, I totally see where you're coming from with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to do a series of short films, villains as the good guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we could do a ton of different movies and do like a five-minute short film where it just breaks down, does like a quick, you know, overview of the bad guy's actually the good guy.
unidentified		Darth is like, I tried for so long on you, Luke.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I tried.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Just like that Karate Kid video on YouTube that describes Karate Kid but in a totally different light and perspective.
unidentified		Right, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they made a show about it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Cobra Kai, basically.
		But, you know, Darth Vader, he's a disabled veteran, bro.
		There you go.
		He's a war hero of the Clone Wars.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you joke about it enough, it just may come true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was a galactic civil war and he lost his limbs fighting against religious zealots to save, you know, government and shambles.
		Now, of course, we know the Emperor was secretly fomenting all of this stuff.
		That's besides the point.
		You know, Darth wasn't in on it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mark asked the question why we're so good at like coming up with these stories, but we're so bad at reacting to them.
		And I think that is because people who create art have a much deeper understanding of human nature than the people who make our policies.
		Because looking at the way Democrats are trying to handle this pandemic, they're assuming that people are going to go along with them if they force them to do it.
		Like, have you ever met an American?
		That is not a good way to get an American to do anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at these protests in New York.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen these crossing the bridge chanting, let's go Brandon?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And the day before that, the Kyrie Irving protest outside of the Barclays Center where they stormed in to try to get into the Barclays Center.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And they pretty much had a lot of people out there all chanting, let Kyrie play.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad the fight in this country isn't dead, but having said that, I don't know, maybe this is my age and stature talking, as it were, but I have a feeling that even 25 years ago, so much of what we're seeing would have been a non-starter.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And not just because of the technological stuff that enables this, but simply because the cultural attitudes were so much stronger in terms of And people were stronger, healthier, happier, and had more families.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And now we have a lot less of that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But then all of the mainstream stuff would have been put on ABC, and it would have been fact.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We would have thought, oh, millions of people have been this and that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, he's right.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Vietnam War.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there was a huge pushback against that.
		They realized the mistake they made by putting cameras there so they didn't do it for the first Iraq War.
		They decided not to show the doors getting kicked in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the first Iraq war in the 90s?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		in the 90s? Yeah, they showed like a news reporter sitting on a tank driving
		through the desert, but they didn't show like kids getting mowed down in their
		houses and stuff as the soldiers were kicking the doors in and white
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		phosphorus. There was an age of muckraking journalism that did make a
		big impact, but it's hard to kind of weigh these things.
		It's hard to really assess them by not living through them and only having the reports from what happened of the reports, not the actual events.
		So it's hard to say exactly what was the lynch point, if it was the media, if not.
		And I think it's impossible to answer those questions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can I ask you, Mark, how old you are?
		I'm 45.
		45, alright, so you're not old enough.
		I'm thinking, well, I guess you are a Gen Xer, right?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, you're barely a Gen Xer, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		42, yeah, last year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was watching the music video for Gotta Get Away by The Offspring.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You familiar with the...?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		My high school band opened for them.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		For The Offspring?
unidentified		Oh, cool!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No way, for real?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		For real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow, cool!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's your band called?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		A really crappy high school band no one's ever heard of.
		What year did they open?
		This was literally like a month before Smash came out.
		This would have been like 1993 at the Madrona Hill Winery, which is a venue in Portland that no longer exists.
		Which, by the way, it's a really bad idea to have underage bands playing at a winery.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Throw it out there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the Offspring story, I was reading about it.
		So when I was younger, they were like my favorite band when I was like a little kid learning how to play guitar.
		And now they're just amazing corporate shills.
		They fired their drummer because he couldn't get vaccinated because he has Guillain-Barre syndrome.
		And so I was just like reading about, you know, their album Ignition sold, I think, 15,000 copies when it first came out.
		I think it was Epitaph.
		And then when Smash came out, it just took the country by storm.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I think it might still be like the biggest selling record to ever come out in an independent record label.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's fact.
		That's true.
		And so these guys were like true punk rock underdogs.
		They weren't really going to go anywhere.
		And then all of a sudden it was mainstream.
		I'm watching this music video for Gotta Get Away, which was I think it was their third single off of Smash, which is, as you mentioned, the biggest independent release of all time.
		And I see these like young people moshing and you know, just raging out and like this teenage angst from Gen X and
		now Gen X have become such like pro establishment shills rage on behalf of the machine.
		They're just totally in favor of the machine.
		Bad religion totally in favor of the machine.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Tom Morello is doing a newsletter for the New York Times right now.
unidentified		Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		He has done one of those masterclass things.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he is the poster boy for selling ass.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're a little bit young, I guess, though, but like, what happened, man?
		I mean, you were old enough to see Smash come out.
		You played... What happened to this generation?
		How did they go from being, like... What you gotta understand about a punk album Yeah.
		That this music was not popular.
		It was not mainstream trash.
		And then all of a sudden a million albums are sold or whatever.
		It's like it's smashing records.
		And all of a sudden now it is becoming mainstream.
		I guess these people, the, the offspring have a song on their first album.
		Whose name I can't say because it's a crime to say I'm not kidding.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They removed it eventually.
		It's no longer the only way you can listen to it on YouTube by
		finding the full album version.
		And then it's the last song on the album.
		We cannot say the name of the song.
		It is a crime to say because it involves the president.
		They get rid of it eventually.
		So it's almost like these guys are anti-establishment up until someone slides the money under their door.
		And then all of a sudden they're willing to pholate the state.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So I'm kind of a music journalist and I could go off forever on the whole, you know, alternative indie thing and like what happened specifically there.
		But just to go back to sort of the broader cultural thing, there's this humorist named Joe Quinan and he wrote this book that's basically a Jeremiad against the Baby Boomers, of which he is one.
		And there's this great line in there about the baby boomers.
		He says, they were not the first generation to sell out, but they were the first generation to sell out and then insist they hadn't.
		And I think that's largely true of like every successive generation since then.
		I think the ones that have been subject to this onslaught of popular culture and mass media It's amazing.
		It's amazing to me listening to a couple of the songs the Offspring put out.
		pressure and be kind of like a true sort of like American, you know, you rugged individualist
		in that environment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
		It's amazing to me listening to a couple of the songs the offspring put out Americana.
		They had Why Don't You Get a Job literally a song about getting a job because you're
		a lazy bum who won't pay the bills.
		Then they had the song, I can't remember which album this was, I don't think it was, it might have been a Conspiracy One, I'm not sure, Hit That, which is about hookup culture and how our country's basically in trouble because people are just going around partying and hooking up and not caring about having kids and a family.
		And I'm like, talk about a conservative punk rock band.
		But now where they're at, it's like, you put the money in their hands, rage against the machine quickly, rage is on behalf of that machine in two seconds.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Rage Against the Machine, though, let's be clear, that always pissed me off, right?
		Their first record came out on, like, Sony in Columbia, and they're all talking about, like, marks in the liner notes and all of that.
		They were never raging against the machine.
		This is a true story.
		At the 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Prophets of Rage were doing one of their, which was Tom Merrill's side project with Chuck D. They were doing some appearance at some protest or whatever.
		And I literally, like, leaped over the bushes and, like, tracked down Tom Morello.
		And I asked him, finally, after, like, 20 years, I said, does the irony of getting, you know, large crowds to shout, F you, I won't do what you tell me, you know, in unison over and over again, did that ever, like, occur to you?
		Does it ever bother you?
		And literally, he said something, like, to me, like, he had never even thought of it.
		And like that's the issue in a nutshell like these people think they're rebelling when they're not they're literally doing the opposite They're literally encouraging people to march in lockstep and somehow telling themselves that they're anti-establishment at the same time That cognitive dissonance is killing us.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a very good point.
		And I think we were at that protest 2016 at the Cleveland was the DNC or RNC and R&C.
		At least I remember talking to Chuck D there specifically about relating issues, but you made a very good point.
		You know, there's nothing better that could be ever promoted is for individualism, people to think for themselves and to just be critical thinkers.
		And a lot of these people are like, cheer for me, clap for me.
		And you just got to love multimillion dollar communists.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to be smart to be a musician.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was one thing in high school was like, if you're not smart, be a musician, pretty much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was at VidCon a few years ago, the big YouTube convention, and I saw some little kids.
		And as I'm walking past, one kid goes, he's got to be like 10 years old.
		He goes, you have 80 followers?
		How did you get so many followers?
		And then some other kids like, dude, I have 93 on Instagram.
		And I'm like, these kids are going to be narcissists.
		Entrepreneurs, but narcissists.
		It's all fake.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's all fake.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course, of course.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I want to hear what you think guys think about the internet and how it changed the music industry completely like we
		had Nirvana you know didn't just scream it out and like all fake then
		the internet came out and It is kind of all so I mean the underground music scene isn't
		fake We got it when you get together with your friends, of
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		course, of course smash When I was reading about the offspring, I was genuinely
		surprised by their history from they made an album that I mean the song
		Tehran is a is a great song I love that song.
		Are you familiar with that at all?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The original?
		It's just a good song, whether or not you like the message.
		Then they had Ignition come out, and they weren't selling.
		They were nobodies, the music wasn't popular.
		Imagine, you know, just like writing music you know, people, it's not mainstream, and then all of a sudden it becomes mainstream.
		That right there is where I'm like, wow, that's the coolest thing ever.
		And then to see how they instantly became just corporate machine.
		I'm just like, wow, that like just guts the whole idea.
		You know, all of a sudden they're like, Hey, we made it.
		We got to preserve this power we've made and not be true to ourselves.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, what happened in the early 90s there was a real anomaly culturally, and I think that's what made it so impactful, though, in the sense that there was this very much a DIY corporate suspicion culture in, you know, Gen X. You know, punk rock was all about rebelling against that in an actually sincere way, you know, and there were people like Ian McKay and other things like that that were actually committed to that.
		You know, and I remember when Sonic Youth signed to Geffen, there was like a lot of hand wringing among people like, you know, is this a thing that they are allowed to do because they're such beacons of integrity?
		And of course, Sonic Youth were like, yeah, we need health insurance.
		You know, we're like old and have a family now.
		And like, you could be like somewhat sympathetic to that.
		But it was also true that the music industry was a victim of itself in terms of they had You know, and I think they're sort of parallels to like what's going on today in a lot of ways where they had like force-fed so much of the same crap to people.
		Like when I was growing up in the late 80s and you turn on the radio, you had two choices, Led Zeppelin or Whitney Houston.
unidentified		Yeah.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And that was like it.
		And for people were desperate for some other thing.
		And then when like Nirvana and some of these other things started to like really break through, the music industry didn't know what to do with themselves.
		They were just throwing money at bands, hoping that something would stick.
		And as a result, what happened was is you got all of these, you know, bands that, you know, never in a million years, like who on earth would sign Dinosaur Jr.
		to a major label record deal?
		But, you know, the fact that a band like Dinosaur Jr.
		actually got, you know, $250,000 to record an album meant that they were able to do something great they never would have been able to do.
		So it was actually that marriage of sort of corporate, you know, money combined with what that allowed them to do in terms of Well, at least back in the day before you had plug-ins and laptops and recording technology.
		Sorry, I'm going off on a tangent here.
		You know, you'd actually matter whether you got into an expensive studio with trained recording engineers and things like that.
		So, it was actually a confluence of establishment and the underground that actually made things good.
		Weirdly enough.
		And that was, I think, for a long time, kind of a strength where there were aspects of American culture where, you know, sort of the trained, well-resourced establishment would meet up with originality.
		And that was American innovation.
		And we used to do, you know, obviously there were always corporate sellouts, but we used to see those kinds of leaps regularly.
		where all of a sudden the establishment would catch wind with something that was going on
		that was new and original, exciting, and those things would marry up. And we're not seeing that
		anymore. In fact, what we're seeing right now with the media establishment, they should be
		figuring out what the next thing is, but they're still clinging to the cable news business model.
		You know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue, I suppose, is when the left started to... There's a lot of things that happened in
		the culture war that resulted in the left becoming morally authoritarian. But because
		we've always kind of been a culture of, hey, racism is bad, sexism is bad,
		we should respect each other, respect civil liberties.
		When the moral authoritarians adopted those stances, advertisers just went, look, nobody wants to be a racist, so we'll just put money behind whatever they say, and we'll not put money behind anything they complain about.
		It's like the Dave Chappelle thing.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why should anyone cancel Dave Chappelle from a festival?
		Because they're scared of the activists showing up and making them look bad and them losing money.
		Right.
		So what should have happened, if you look at, at least when I was growing up, the moral
		authoritarian right, the religious, and many of the Democrats, were not cool.
		So nobody cared.
		It was fun to be anti-establishment, to rage against the machine, and that's what was making
		money.
		So they said, now, the big companies are like, we're going to get a bunch of protesters,
		and we're going to lose money because they're unwilling to compromise.
		There you go.
		Then you lose it.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I think the interesting thing is we're gonna start seeing... We are seeing this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Babylon Bee.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absurdly funny.
		And predict the future.
		Apparently Seth's psychic.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Prophecy fulfilled.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They do a really good job of poking so much fun at these things actually just end up happening.
		And it's done.
		They've been doing a lot better than the onion has because when you're scared to be offensive, you don't, you're not
		funny.
		So what I think we'll start seeing is now people who don't care about being offensive, which tend to be the cultural
		right, whatever right wing actually means at this point.
		They're going to make shows.
		They're going to make movies.
		They're going to do comedy specials.
		Everyone's going to love it.
		I think the left is shutting down their own industry by being scared to take risks and actually challenge I think the battle on being thing makes me very nervous.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When, when you, they'll do stories, for instance, like just ridiculous, ridiculous, like Joe Biden makes, declares it illegal to be a man.
		And then it'll be like, ah, ha ha.
		So, and then two months later, Joe Biden declares it illegal.
		And it's like, they see that and they're like, oh, okay.
		People didn't say no to it.
		That's a green light.
		Let's go.
		So it's like an authoritarian gateway.
		If you're not careful, satire can be.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I disagree.
		I think it's just making fun of the absolute ridiculousness of our current society.
		One of the things that I just retweeted from the Babylon Bee is their latest headline saying, quote, Fauci hopes his experiments on puppies will distract everyone from experiments he performed on humanity for the past 18 months.
		So it's social commentary to the highest level of using comedy as a way to make people laugh at the absurdity of reality.
		And, you know, there are some people bowing down, there are some people giving up, but there still is a need, a hunger, for those real, honest, real discussions.
		And very interestingly, Netflix just launched a new show called Inside Job, and it was number one trending, and I just watched one episode of it, and my jaw dropped to the floor.
		I was like, no freaking way!
		I mean, they brought up issues that we would say here, automatically cut.
		And they brought up all the conspiracies that ever ... existed in a brilliant funny way from Bilderberg and even ... deeper level stuff that you wouldn't even imagine so ... they're just released a very spicy cartoon show that that ... goes into how corporations are controlling the world.
		I still haven't made up my mind on it.
		It's funny, but it also is very deep.
		I still haven't watched all the episodes.
		I'm in the process of watching it, but for them to release that on the backdrop of Chappelle might be sending a message.
		I might be reading into too much of it.
		There's a lot of things I'm critical of Netflix about.
		But I think there's a reason this show and other shows are doing so well and have such a loving, caring audience that are even here when they're not even prompted to be here, unlike CNN.
		CNN has everything going for them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We don't.
		And I'll tell you why.
		So, a moment ago, we talked about civil war.
		Some people might say that's crazy.
		Fine.
		If you think it's crazy, by all means, you can think whatever you want.
		I must be crazy.
		I don't care.
		On major networks, will they talk about this?
		Probably not.
		Some of them, maybe.
		We recently saw MSNBC actually run a segment that said, could we be facing a second American civil war?
		Now, this is a conversation that's been in mainstream newspapers for years.
		But see, on this show, we're willing to talk about this, from Fox News.
		Arrest Fauci trends on Twitter as doctor faces criticism for controversial virus research testing on dogs.
		I think there's only one cable TV show that would actually get more serious than us.
		And do you know who that is?
		Would you have a guess?
		One cable TV show?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Brad Gottfeld.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's pretty good, but no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of a joke.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Tucker Carlson?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tucker Carlson.
		Tucker Carlson goes a lot further than I would, you know, on a lot of these issues.
		So when we talk about Fauci and people wanting him to be arrested and stuff, oh, we'll talk about these ideas.
		We'll talk about the potential conflict of civil war.
		Tucker goes All in on all of it.
		So that's why I think obviously his ratings are so high.
		And then why is it that all these other networks' ratings are in the garbage?
		Because it's fake.
		And everyone knows it's fake.
		And they're not talking about real things.
		You go outside.
		There's no food on the shelves at your store.
		You're asking yourself, what's going on?
		You turn on CNN.
unidentified		Nothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Orange man bad.
		You turn on MSNBC, nothing.
		Orange man bad.
		You turn on Fox and they're like, inflation's bad, it's Biden's fault.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Or worse, and you open up the Washington Post and it's lower your expectations.
unidentified		Right.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Why would I expect there to be pasta and frozen vegetables in my local grocery store?
		Both of which they've been like running low on forever now.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, it's really something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's talk about this arrest Fauci thing because I don't know if Fauci should be arrested over this.
		There's a story going around where it shows two dogs, they're beagles, and their heads are secured in a box full of infected sand flies and the dogs had their vocal cords slit so they couldn't bark or whimper as their faces were devoured by ravenous insects.
		Now, a lot of people are saying you should be arrested for it, and I think there's a couple things that are good here.
		People are starting to wake up to the kind of research being done for their benefit, for their privileges.
		A lot of this research is unnecessary and insane, and people are asking, like, why would you do that?
		We know the flies would devour the face of the dog and put it in agony.
		But I think a lot of people need to realize the benefits, the wonderful technology, the medicines you have, it's because we experiment on animals, sometimes dogs.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and actually specifically with sandflies.
		I don't know exactly what they were researching with sandflies, but with sandflies, they're major carriers of parasitic diseases, which are one of the few things that we really have terrible treatments for.
		Like there's this disease called Leishmaniasis.
		It's very prominent in Central and South America that does like Horrible things to people like it literally like rots your face from the inside out And because it primarily affects poor people in these areas It's only government testing that there's really an incentive to find any sort of cure because the pharmaceutical companies aren't in it because there's no you know financial incentive for it, so
		Yeah, I mean, actually, I don't know exactly what they were doing with the sandflies, but I can see where doing, you know, research on parasitic diseases for all the havoc it wreaks, you know, testing on dogs might be necessary.
		A good friend of mine from high school is a, is a, is a biology professor at UT Austin.
		And, you know, he talked all about biology.
		What is he?
		Neurology professor.
		And you know, he would tell me all the stories he had to do and the stories of all the experiments
		he had to do in monkeys and stuff.
		I mean, it's just absolutely necessary for the advancement of humanity if you care about
		that sort of thing.
		Now, as for lying to Congress, that's something that maybe we should talk about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This reminds me of Andrew Cuomo, how they went after him for the girl with him diddling
		with the girls as opposed to sending all those old people into nursing homes.
		And it's like it evokes the emotional hashtag trending thing, but like what he really should
		be busted for his lying to Congress.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well if it's what you said it was there at least should be a debate but we shouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt because he doesn't deserve any of it because he's been lying through his teeth about so many things and at least we deserve answers to really find out what was the true cause and the true reason of these studies.
		I mean there's there's even reports of Fauci funded experiments that literally were used to destroy portions of monkeys brain that would magnify terror so they could scare the crap out of them and study fear.
		So there's there's so many different... I wonder why there would be Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are they trying to learn about primate fear?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And again, apes are 97% identical to human DNA.
		There's a lot of weird stuff happening, and there should be a lot more transparency, a lot more accountability, because we have to understand, there's some beauty products that are tested in absolutely cruel and inhumane ways.
		Torture animals.
		We can't even describe what happens here.
		The show would get taken down immediately.
		All for beauty products like that. There should be a line.
		There should be a discussion. There should be more information
		We don't have any of that. We have dr Fauci financing essentially the torturing of puppies why he
		did it at this point of view We don't know but I'm willing to suspect something far more
		sinister something far more worse based on his prior behavior
unidentified		For my own personal perspective, I think Fauci had a mustache
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He shaved it off since then but back then he was twirling it saying we're gonna kill these dogs
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I could see it.
unidentified		That was it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was the only reason.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		At this point, maybe.
		Let's be honest.
		Let's be real.
		Like, we don't know.
		That's not a fact.
		We don't have a smoking gun here, but I'm not willing to exclude that out of our current reality with the way that he's been treating humanity.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		But it is insane that we, you know, we've got, he's gotten far more attention for the testing on dogs than the lie to Congress about funding research at the Wuhan facility that likely caused the pandemic.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I took the point where the Stephanopoulos and he was denying that he ever did it, that he ever said that they were doing game, that they ever did gain a function.
		And then they were like, let's play a clip from Ram Paul, where he comes at you and they give this three or four second clip of Ram Paul.
		And then George Stephanopoulos just lofting softballs over to him saying, and by the way, our experts confirmed you didn't do gain of Gain-of-function, right?
		And Fauci's like, yeah, of course, we didn't do gain-of-function.
		Insane!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gain-of-function research would be the manipulation of viruses to make them more infectious to human-type cells, correct?
unidentified		That is correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you didn't do that.
unidentified		No, we only took cells and viruses and modified them so that they would be more infectious to humans.
unidentified		We didn't do gain-of-function as well.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And look how stupid Rand Paul is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's all focus on that.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, weren't they recently rewriting the CDC's website or whatever to redefine gain of function or whatever?
		I mean, it's insane.
		And the thing is, he didn't just lie about this.
		He got indignant.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Good job, Rand, by the way.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And upset.
		And it's just...
		Dude, Rand Paul's relentless.
		And not just that, this is connected to this larger narrative.
		Remember, Facebook banned all discussion of the lab leak because it was quote-unquote misinformation for a year that was all covering up this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Our culture has a rot at the core and there are corrupt people like Fauci who, let me just explain to you the level of insanity we're dealing with when Rand Paul holds up the study That says, chimeric virus creation to increase infectivity on humans.
		Definition of gain of function.
		Fauci, this study says, funded by the NIH.
unidentified		And Fauci goes, we did not fund it!
unidentified		It's like, literally holding the evidence!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then what do you get from the establishment and from the left and from MSNBC?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not true.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Ignore it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the insanity.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Let's also mention here again that Senator Rand Paul is a medical doctor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Doctor Senator Rand Paul.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So it's not like he doesn't have some clue what he's talking about here when he looks at a research paper.
		He's an actual trained medical doctor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then the left goes, he's an ophthalmologist who hasn't practiced in years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Fauci is an infectious disease expert.
unidentified		Who hasn't practiced in three decades!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Rand Paul literally volunteers his time and goes down to places like Haiti and gives free surgeries to people who can't afford it.
		So he's been practicing medicine on and off, yes.
		But at the same time, the mainstream media vilified him, attacked him every step of the way, because he correctly now called out Dr. Fauci, which the NIH, Fauci's own organization that he was running, called him out on.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and the untrained media do such a great job of presenting medical information to us, too.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		You know, they're certainly in the catbird seat when it comes to criticizing Rand Paul.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everything causes cancer and everything doesn't.
		I love how the media does this.
		When I was little, I'd see a story, it was like, smelling coffee could prevent cancer?
		More at 11!
		And it's just like, it was a slow news day, they looked up a journal, they said, here's a study that says one thing, the next day, smelling coffee could cause cancer.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I remember when the news of the NIH letter came out and broke.
		Fauci was on the mainstream media.
		They didn't question him about this.
		They were talking about how great it is that kids are going to be vaccinated from ages 5 to 11 and up.
		And meanwhile, there needs to be a debate.
		There was a Yale epidemiologist who was very important with early COVID treatment who just came out recently and said that he would pull his child out of public school if they have public vaccine mandates in that particular school.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Epidemiologist?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Epidemiologist, yeah.
		Yale epidemiologist Dr. Henry Risch came out and he put out a very important statement saying, if it comes to it, I will homeschool my child rather than put him in a public school where he has to take a vaccine.
		And he was critically important for early COVID-19 treatment.
		He was the authority on it.
		And he deserves to be heard.
		His voice deserves to be elevated.
		And I wish there was a debate.
		I wish there was a conversation between him and Dr. Fauci who's telling people that it's going to be great, that all children are going to be vaccinated soon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Fauci works in an office with a picture of himself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A giant portrait of himself.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's great, huh?
		We got pictures of Biden because we love Biden.
		Lydia's got a big old picture of Biden.
		Can you show the people?
		Oh, you can't really see it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It's a little... Here, let me zoom out a little bit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a picture of Biden because we love and respect our president.
unidentified		See?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at that beautiful... It's actually, for those that are just listening, it's a horror photo.
		His face is like kind of drooping and melting off.
		He's got a sinister look as he smells Lydia.
unidentified		Love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because he's a disgusting creep.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, you see that Cornholio pose, man?
		The imaginary jet pack.
		Well, we're living in a simulation, that's the only answer.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Do you know Red Steez is on Twitter?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Stephen Miller?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		The other Stephen Miller?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the other one.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he put up this thing where it's like, apparently one of the classic symptoms of dementia, Alzheimer's, is clenched fists like that.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it, yeah.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And look, I'm not speculating whether or not Biden has dementia per se, but the point is, is that if this were Trump or any Republican or anyone that the media didn't like, if this were Bernie Sanders, this would be, you know, a week's worth of news cycles about whether or not that he has dementia.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I feel that screaming the truth at someone that doesn't want to hear it is fruitless.
		It may have some impact, but it's such a diminishing return.
		It's like wind resistance, terminal velocity.
		You can't get past their brain cloud.
		I'm trying to think of other ways.
		You've got to make them figure it out on their own.
		Set them up to figure it out.
		Walk into it and be like, hey, I figured out that Biden is losing his, you know, whatever, his mental capacity, if that's what's happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But to tell them that just doesn't seem, they don't seem to, it doesn't seem to... Yeah, clenched hands is a symptom of Alzheimer's.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
		It is.
		But to Ian's point, I think that he's onto something.
		Can you help me zoom in a little bit?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, this could also explain, sorry, just one small important tidbit here before I take it off to Lydia.
		This could explain why we are on day 279 of the 100 Days of Masking.
		Sorry, go ahead.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, for sure.
		Well, what I was going to say was that to Ian's point, he was talking about how you can't convince someone to change their mind by giving them new information because you're just contradicting them.
		This is something Scott Adams talks about a lot.
		And in general, I would recommend being incredibly compassionate, even when it's really hard.
		Because what is that quote that people won't care what you told them, they'll only care how you made them feel at the end of the day?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I think this is true.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And this is something that, you know, conservatives in general really stink at.
unidentified		Yeah.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		They need to, like, approach the conversation like, I understand why you, you know, that you feel this way.
		I understand that maybe you've had difficulties because of X, Y and Z. But here, you know, here's why I'm telling you that I disagree.
		You know, there needs to be some sort of acknowledgement on a human level.
		Also, rather than like, you know, look, I like Ben Shapiro, but like facts don't care about your feelings.
		Doesn't get you very far.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Feelings don't care about your facts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I feel what you feel is the way to go.
		Understanding what they feel, that's kind of, it's kind of too cold.
		But when you feel what they're feeling, it sucks.
		Cause like they're feeling terrified and like they're losing their mind.
		But if you allow yourself to feel it for a minute while you're talking to them, then they start to believe you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's sales and manipulation 101.
		The first thing you have to do in order to change anyone's opinion is have rapport.
		And so that's why a very common sales tactic would be like, Hey, nice to meet you, man.
		Where are you from Mark?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Bend, Oregon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bend, Oregon!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, seriously, my brother lives up there.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I am from Bend.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, my brother's up there.
		Amazing!
		I wonder if you guys ever bumped into each other.
		That's so cool.
		I can't believe we have so much in common.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, I live in Alexandria now, but I'm originally from Bend.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		So actually, I do have a brother who lives in Bend.
		But so what you do is when you're doing sales or fundraising activism, you start off just with like, hey, nice to meet you.
		Where are you from?
		You know, you find something and then no matter what they say, you say something to compliment it and show that you share a positive emotion.
		And then you're opening the door.
		Another thing we talked about is something called the yes train.
		Get someone to say yes seven times.
		They're more likely to acquiesce to whatever your demand is.
		So like if you want to sell them a pizza you be like, hey, look, you know, you're probably it's lunchtime, right?
		Right, you're looking for food. I'd imagine at some point right and then eventually okay great. I got a pizza right
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		here Here you go. You want it right? Right the last three times.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I've been in a car dealership I've always been complimented on my shirt. Huh? I
unidentified		Think I was talking about I don't think my shirt was particularly great
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My dad and he was like, can you can you believe it?
		They're, they're trying to stop people from being able to take the vaccine if they want in these certain places.
		And I was like, that's crazy, man.
		If, if, if it was a dangerous disease that I could understand, like, it was like, I, I just felt and got what he was saying, even though it wasn't what I agreed with.
		And then immediately started telling him what I thought.
		That's the way to get through to people.
		I was a little vague about what transpired just now on purpose.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The unfortunate reality for me was when I was working at these non-profits is that there's a very easy, formulaic way to get people to change their opinions that works every time.
		And if you're willing to do that, you'll win.
		And if you're not willing to do that, then you're in trouble.
		So being blunt with people I feel like is the right thing to do, but the right thing isn't always the effective thing.
		And so, like you mentioned, it's actually one step beyond that.
		It's actively lying to manipulate that gets you the most successful outcome.
		And...
		Man, I think these charity organizations, these non-profits that used to do this stuff, once I found out that they were lying, I quit.
		I couldn't do it.
		I was like, I thought I was being honest.
		I thought I was doing a good thing.
		And then once you realize they've actually formulated these lies specifically to make money off people and trick them.
		Me and my friends describe it as selling hopes and dreams to people or selling them nothing.
		Like, people would go out in the street and sell hair products and packages.
		They have these guys that go around and they'll be like, they'll walk up to girls and be like, oh, your hair is amazing.
		Like, you should definitely check out the salon and then give them the coupon and then they get money when the coupon is used.
		And then we would always laugh.
		Like, you know, they'd see us, we'd be fundraising and we'd be like, we don't sell anything.
		We literally just tell people to give us their money and they do.
		And they'd be like, wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		People are animals.
		We think a lot of times they were so smart.
		I do for sure.
		But like like a dog, if you treat it right and you reward it when you want want it to repeat itself, it'll repeat itself.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I had I knew someone I met someone at Columbia who said that they used Pavlovian reinforcement to get their roommate to do chores for them by offering them candies that they really liked whenever they would do something.
		And then when they wanted the dishes done, they would pull out the candies and then be like, oh, would you mind doing the dishes?
		And they'd be like, yeah.
		And then afterwards she'd hand them some candy and they were just like, they didn't realize they had been manipulated.
		Let's go to Super Chats!
		If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, go to TimCast.com, become a member to support our work in building culture, setting up our new space at Freedomistan.
		We're going to be building it out.
		We're going to try and figure out what that looks like.
		Probably going to have a sandwich shop, a smoothie shop, a skate shop, a game shop, a gun shop.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've been doing massive research on the domes.
		I'm very exciting.
		Geodesic domes.
		Free dome.
		There may be an array of free domes.
		One in particular.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		The place I stay in New Hampshire is a bunch of domes.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They're pretty cool, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But most importantly, we have a bunch of journalists working at TimCast.com.
		We have new shows we're building, and if you want to support this show, being a member helps.
		But we're gonna have a members-only show coming up.
		We drop them about 11 p.m.
		every night, so definitely you don't want to miss that.
		But let's read some of your superchats, and again, smash that like button.
		Alright, Make 1984 Fiction Again says, Alec Baldwin's career was mostly peaceful.
unidentified		Indeed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		To all saying prop gun, would you be cool with him killing somebody with a prop car?
		Stabbed with a prop knife?
		Hung with a prop rope?
		There's no prop gun.
		This is the craziest thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I understand why they're framing it like that, because if it said Alec Baldwin shot and killed someone on set, people would assume it was his gun in the media.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was his gun.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's the producer of the movie.
		So you actually made a great point earlier about the cultural differences of this stuff.
		My dad's a retired Marine Colonel.
		My dad was an alternate for Marine Corps Rifle Pistol Team.
		But they wanted to make sure people knew that he didn't bring his own weapon and do it.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So you actually made a great point earlier about the cultural differences of this stuff.
		My dad's a retired Marine colonel.
		My dad was an alternate for Marine Corps Rifle Pistol Team.
		He was like, an amazing shot.
		I grew up shooting.
		And I remember when I was younger, I was learning to shoot.
		Like, I pointed the gun in the wrong direction once.
		I don't remember what happened next.
		All I know is that my eye was on the ground and I looked up and my dad was holding the gun.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And it was like, you will not do that again.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		You know, and like, that's how seriously, you know, people that, you know, use guns, you know, treat the safety of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got one.
		I got one for you, Michael Malice.
		The new right.
		Michael likes to say the new right.
		He asks people, do you think some people are better than others?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yes and no.
		I mean, I think that everyone is a sinner.
		I mean, the human nature is inherently flawed and one of the big problems of our current societies.
		People don't understand that human beings are inherently sinful and self-interested.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, Michael says the new right will just say yes, but the left will justify or hem and haw.
		And I got a better one.
		The new right is, was it Alec Baldwin's fault or not?
		I mean, it's crazy to me.
		Let's break this down.
		Alec Baldwin is the producer on a movie.
		There is a gun negligently discharged multiple times, so crew actually walk off the set protesting.
		He's then handed the same gun, doesn't check it in defiance of his own training, and then shoots and kills somebody.
		And they're like, it's not his fault.
		You gotta be insane!
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So, Nick Cerci and Adam Baldwin are two of the more open right-wingers in Hollywood.
		But both guys with sort of distinguished careers in Hollywood and handle a lot of guns on sets.
		And they both came out and said, you were given very specific instructions about pointing the gun.
		It is your obligation when they hand you the gun to double check that it's not loaded.
		Like all of these things, whatever you want to say about negligence that happened before the gun got in his hands, there's no doubt that Baldwin himself was not negligent for not checking to see that apparently there was a live round in the gun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Somebody tweeted at me, so you're saying that anytime someone wants to drive a movie on set, they got to check the oil, check the gas, check the brakes.
		And I was like, No, I'm saying that anytime someone's doing a scene where they're going to slam the gas full speed towards the crew, they should check the brakes and the safety harness and the emergency handbrake and make sure they've gone through the stunt coordinator because you're risking people's lives.
		It's not a stunt to drive a car.
		If they're like, we're gonna have you drive a car around the block.
		It's not a stunt.
		If they're like, we want you to slam the gas full speed towards the camera, okay, what's our emergency stop?
		Do we have a rope, a cable?
		Do we have a handbrake?
		Then you will test them out before doing the stunt.
		So yes, if you're gonna hand a gun to somebody, it should be, for a revolver, cylinder should be open.
		They should be... I think it should be unloaded.
		I don't know exactly what their protocol is.
		It should be unloaded.
		And if they're going to be using blanks, they show the blank, have the actor inspect it, place the blank in and say, we have placed a blank inside this gun.
		If you point this at someone in close enough range, you can kill them.
		They should be given the full spiel every time.
		Never make assumptions that people know how to handle these things.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		At least two people should check the gun.
		At least.
		I mean, even when I'm handling firearms, I always ask someone else to check the chamber.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We always do this.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Check the chamber, check someone else, check it, and then I check it, and then I make sure to put it away, and then it's safe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When we're leaving the range, I'll take my weapon, and I'll clear it, lock the hammer back, and then I'll hand it to the next person to inspect.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then they do the same thing.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I was just watching a gun show on YouTube with a bunch of ex-Special Forces guys, and they did the same thing, where they were talking about a particular gun, and they passed the gun around before they even discussed it, so that each one could verify there was no round in the chamber, and it was empty before they even brought it up, picked it up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's read some more superchats.
		DJM says to Tim Pool and the rest of the TimCast IRL crew, congratulations on 400 episodes!
		I hope that your show at TimCast.com continues to have success.
		We're at 400?
unidentified		We are.
		Is this 400?
		Is this 400?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		400, is that like a number or something?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It's a number, yeah.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		It's 100, right?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		What's quadricentennial?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		400 is that like a number?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a number.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's a hundred.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		What is this?
		What's quad, quadricentennial?
		Yeah, that's it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That is, yeah.
unidentified		Well, we will eat wings.
unidentified		All right.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That sounds great.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Open up packages, maybe?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alessio DeMonte says Yahoo News just released that the assistant director that gave Baldwin the gun was previously fired due to another gun incident.
		Looks like they are already starting a story to help Baldwin.
		Or the guy did, and that's what happened.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe any piece of news that I hear at face value.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if, like, the true story was that Baldwin is part of this Grand Democrat conspiracy and they were like, we need to take out this wife of this lawyer, and then he was like, I'll do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll do whatever you say.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They have heart attack guns.
unidentified		That's all I have to say.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Can we talk about how it turned out Alec Baldwin's wife had been faking being from Spain for years?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that was the craziest thing I'd heard in forever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what people need to understand about assassination is that it would never be that crazy.
		They would just pay some random guy to go into your neighborhood and then mug you, right?
		Car crash, car accident.
		Michael Hastings.
		No, but even that, it's like, dude, oh no, he got robbed.
		Robberies happen.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to go there in terms of speculation, but I totally understand why it was the Seth Rich guy.
		Why people didn't automatically think that that was just a random D.C.
		crime.
		You've got access to all that sensitive D.N.C.
		information.
		Of course, there have been plenty of incidents like that, I'm sure, that were foul play.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think the problem is, you know, sometimes Occam's Razor is right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people who believe the centric conspiracies and stuff, but like, I think it's a lot of wishful thinking.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think so, too.
		I'm just pointing out that, like, I totally understand why people go there.
		Yeah, but yeah, in that case, you never give government the benefit of the doubt.
		Yeah, that's true.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But who's to say the government was involved in it?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We should at least have the ability to answer and question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		No, I will say that there's definitely a lot of, like, random things in DC where, like, so-and-so who's a person of some import was standing in their driveway and this person came up and something happened.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Geez, politics is a dirty game.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		It's very dirty, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, I should have brought my dog?
		Damon Stanley says, Tim, the members event was rad.
		Shout out to every person and dog there.
		I met some good peeps looking forward to free domestany stronger together.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Wait, I could have brought my dog?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you could have.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		My dog was there, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Katoth Swiss says, remember Tim, the slow blade penetrates the shield.
		Yep, I remember that from the movie.
		That was before I walked out.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Torturing Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's see what we got.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		BoJess says, Ian, if psilocybin was actually a threat to the system, they wouldn't allow it to be legalized.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		That's what they want you to believe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you gotta define threat and system and all that.
		It can definitely alter the way we govern ourselves or help us change the way we perceive our own system of governance.
		But I don't think it would... Yeah, I agree with you.
		I don't think it's like a destructive force.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jeremy Hall says, Tim, if you were to get into a coma on the Zero motorcycle, what plans do you have in place?
		Shim cast?
		Luke cast?
		Personally, I vote for Ian cast.
		As if.
		The plan is, my bed will be placed here in front of the camera, and I'll be intubated and on life support, and that will be the show.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then he'll whisper in my ear, and then I'll tell you what he said.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We'll livestream it, and then if you get like 50 likes, treats go down, fall on him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'll be like, it'll show the bed with me unconscious, and then it'll cut to Luke, and he'll be like, that's a good point, Tim!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then Ian'll be like, Tim's wrong about this one, and then he'll show me again, and I'll just go, boop!
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Tim actually has a pacemaker wired to some explosives in the basement, so when his heart stops beating, the whole compound goes sky high.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just implodes.
		A warning light.
		You get 30 seconds.
		Yeah.
		Don Jett says dumb law in West Virginia.
		It is illegal to beat your wife so long as it's done in public on Sunday on the courthouse steps.
		I don't believe that.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I kind of looked that up.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That can't be true.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's see what we got.
		Tristan Lee Dobler says Dave Chappelle stole multiple jokes that Owen Benjamin made years ago and got blacklisted for.
		Watch The Greatest Comedian.
		Oh, okay.
		Well, I don't know if that's true, but, you know, maybe it is.
		Maybe it is.
		Alright, Steve Otten says, Noam Chomsky is the Grinch who stole liberty.
		Oh yeah, you said that one.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I saw that in the chat.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I was like, this is too good not to share.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Eric Benjamin Hamilton says, after creating a short film featuring Yuri Bezmenov for YouTube, I instantly got a few comments calling me a fascist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Makes it clear that to communists, anything different from them is fascist, as is with the anti-fascist rampart, the Berlin Wall.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So can we talk about fascism just for a second?
		Like the actual like poli sci textbook version of fascism is the merging of state and corporate power.
		That was Mussolini's own definition of it.
		And if you look at like what's happening, for instance, with like social media and regulation and things like that, I mean, like these are kind of inherently like fascist arrangements.
		We're seeing a lot of like Fascism in mainstream America in terms of this sort of thing.
		And it's just really weird to me that fascism has come to mean basically, you know, anything that the left doesn't like.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We actually have some, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		QuietGuitaristFan says, By the way, I never read the book.
		I'm assuming he's talking about Dune.
		And I actually understood it from beginning to end.
		It's really not that hard, dude.
		It's hilarious how easy it is to understand if you just pay attention.
		Once again, MCU theme parks.
		I don't think Marvel movies are masterpieces.
		I think they're popcorn flicks.
		I thought Dune Can I spoil the movie that's been remade from the 80s?
		I don't think so, right?
		Okay, spoilers.
		Alright, so here's the first complaint that someone said to me after we left, was like, wait a minute, that whole scene where he's talking to Idaho and he's like, I wanna go with you, and he's like, you can't.
		And then he has another scene where he's like, Dad, I want to go, and you can't.
		And then he goes anyway, and it's kind of glossed over.
		Like, what was the point of that scene?
		Why, you know, so here was my experience.
		The cinematography was fantastic.
		The music was fantastic.
		It was beautifully made.
		But you had to know the story to enjoy it.
		I'm sitting there with my girlfriend and we're talking about it and she's like, did I miss something?
		What's the word they're saying?
		What's the name of the houses?
		Why is this one bad?
		Why did they do this?
		And I'm like, people keep saying, you just can't handle it because they're trying to cram too much in at once.
		And I'm like, they didn't cram anything in.
		We were confused halfway through as to what was going on, and it's because it was so slow and drawn out that it was just like, look, if you want to see part one of an art film, I got no problem with that, I just don't like it.
		And so I'll complain about it and not want to see it, just like I thought, you know, uh, uh, Captain Marvel was bad.
		But there are a ton of movies that don't have action that I think are fantastic.
		It's absurd.
		People are like, their immediate response is like, Tim just wants action movies like superheroes, and I'm like, that's not true.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see it, but if you're gonna do Dune, you gotta give the main guy his power within 20 minutes and then get him off the planet within 20 minutes, 25 minutes, and then make it pure action from there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's... I watched a really great video, it broke down why Guardians of the Galaxy people rated highly and why Suicide Squad was rated poorly, and they talk about time.
		And they were like, Suicide Squad tried using flashbacks to introduce plot lines and characters, and it was really confusing for the audience and boring.
		And so you don't actually get the actual story you're trying to understand until you're an hour in.
		Whereas Guardians of the Galaxy introduces it immediately in the intro, you know, Star-Lord's getting the... and I'm using a Marvel film.
		I'm trying to use a YouTube example of like a breakdown between what works and what doesn't.
		But I think the issue I had with Dune was that they're trying to make more than one movie.
		If they just made it one movie... Simple action.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Andreas pointed out, you have the giant sandworm in the beginning trying to destroy a fleeing ship.
		You've got to show the worm.
		I mean, that's the biggest part of the whole series is the worms, the sandworms.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I read, I was reading online that they were like, the problem with the movie adaptations, the original and this one, is that they're trying to make a book, which works, into a movie that doesn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone commented on Reddit, they were like, it should have opened with Sandworm, so you understood the dune, the importance of the spice.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The danger of the worm, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Instead it was a very slow beginning that was kind of confusing, and the voice, and you know, it's like...
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen the movie, but the book and the whole lore and everything that goes into the series of Dune books are known for being complex.
		I mean, and that's what people enjoy about the books.
		And I can totally see where that doesn't translate easily.
		It certainly didn't translate easily for David Lynch.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, his inner monologue stuff was terrible.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't translate to movies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was confusing.
		I tried watching it.
		Look, movies are different mediums, and people who are fans of the book tend to be super fans of the movie.
		But when I ask, like, just look at some of the questions that non-fans had about watching the movie.
		If the movie's not for people who have not read the book, then by all means, it's not for me.
		And then enjoy your movie.
		I got no problem.
		But, you know, the way it was explained to me was, imagine Star... This is what someone said.
		If you like Star Wars, A New Hope, and you want to watch a two hour and 40 minute movie that's just Luke in the desert, and it ends with him finally meeting Han Solo, that's due in the movie.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, jeez.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's basically what it was.
		One of these days they're gonna do it, right?
		It's the hero's journey, but he's not thrust into adventure until the movie's over.
		And so you're like, I didn't get that far.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I've heard a ton of ecstatic things, but all from people that were like sci-fi super fans, fans of the book.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will tell you, people don't want to hear it.
		We went to a theater.
		We went to the Frederick Theater.
		There was probably nine people in the theater, and it was five were us.
		And I noticed other people sleeping.
		After after an hour and 20 or so minutes, I was just like, I'll just read what happened.
		I'll just I'll just read.
		I'd rather just read this.
		I can't watch this.
		It's so slow and drawn out.
		And I look over my girlfriend sleeping.
		And then I'm like, Hey, you want to leave?
		She's like, Yeah.
		And then I get up.
		I'm like, Luke, we're leaving.
		He's like, All right.
		And then we went and got we got hibachi.
		It was great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What were your feelings on the stuff that you did see?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'm not much of a film critic.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't have much to say about this, to be honest with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's scared to offend the masses.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't care to offend anyone.
		It was just like, that's a long movie.
		It's two hours and 40 minutes.
		It's a lot to sit through.
		And I was like, I'll just watch it later.
		So if I'm already like, I wasn't in it, I wasn't enthralled by it.
		I was just like, I'll just watch it later at home.
		Uh, because it was available.
		So that, that tells me that I wasn't, you know, entertained by it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was super excited for it because we watched the original.
		I can't tell you what happened in it because it was so slow and then a lot, like we played it downstairs a few months ago.
		But it was just like, eventually became on in the background.
		And so then when they were like, they're redoing it, I was like, they're gonna do it right this time.
		They're not gonna do the inner monologue thing.
		They're gonna speed up the story.
		I hear the story's really good.
		I'm excited for it.
		And then it was just like, I started watching it.
		I was like, wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's a made-for-TV version of it with William Hurt that was actually better than the David Lynch one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember if it was considered good at this point.
unidentified		I don't know.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		There was a made-for-TV one?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, William Hurt.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Check it out if you like Dune.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't there something like in the early 1970s they were gonna attempt to make it and like Salvador Dali was involved or something crazy?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was an art film version of it that never... they couldn't decide.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They wanted it to be like Star Wars but then the director wanted to be kind of an art film so it never got made.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's move on.
		We got Dan9S.
		He says, Pretty sure I've never heard someone's doctor say, Due to your allergies and other medical issues, you shouldn't stop at red lights.
		I'm also pretty sure any spiritual belief that has something against red lights wouldn't be driving.
unidentified		Good point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's see.
		Roberto Lara says the reason Luke was on fire.
		Somewhere in Texas, Alex Jones looked up at the night sky, smiled, raised his finger, and shot a bolt of freedom lightning, and yelled, let the frogs be frogs.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's probably it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I did feel like there was fire in my veins.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I didn't think it was relevant to the story, but before we walked in the building, Luke did get struck by a powerful blast of green lightning.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's what that was.
unidentified		I just thought it was a puddle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And all of a sudden he was glowing and his hair was floating and he was levitating into the building.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		It's a puddle full of leached estrogen that is making the frogs kick.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see.
		Chris Blank Productions says, did you see Project Veritas' new video?
		The New Jersey governor has been saying no mandates to get re-elected while planning to enact mandates after he's elected.
		Ha!
		That's why we left New Jersey!
		Man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm finding this, uh, it's legal to beat your wife on the courthouse.
		Law is not real.
		It's a South Carolina thing, and this other website, it says it's all, uh, parody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fake news.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fake news.
		All right, let's see.
		Scott Groh says, I wonder what people would think if they knew that Paul Atreides goes on to kill entire planetary populations to rid the galaxy of resistance to his rule as the new emperor.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Spoiler alert.
		I don't know.
		I don't remember.
		I don't want to confirm or deny that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Spoiler, it's like an old book and the movie doesn't even have that in it, so.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Paul Atreides was pretty cool, I don't remember.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the thing he's called?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Kwisit Tadarak.
		Exactly! You should know! It should be simplified for a common person to know
		and walk away and be like, he was the Jedi. Rather than call it the Kwisit Tadarak.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's fine, they can call it the Kwisit Tadarak. The problem I had with the movie was that
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		it was just like, glossed over really quickly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He was the Bene Gesserit.
		I don't remember.
		To be honest, I don't remember.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, the Bene Gesserit was, like, the monk ladies that could yell or something.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		No, I mean, yeah.
		I'm dismissing the concept of this.
		It was a good book.
		I would highly recommend the book if you like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, I think Star Wars... Am I understanding that Star Wars basically ripped off Dune?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He was heavily inspired by it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know that.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Star Wars ripped off a lot of things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But think about how Star Wars A New Hope did such a good job explaining everything.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like the Force, the Jedi, the Clone Wars, how these things are introduced.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A New Hope is a great movie.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was a samurai.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They rip off a samurai movie?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Kurosawa film, The Hidden Fortress, very strong influence on that.
		But there were a whole bunch of other things, plus all the mythology.
		I mean, there were like old Celtic legends about guys with flaming swords and stuff
		that track Star Wars very closely.
		And there's all these things that were clearly, it was a case of genius deals, I think.
		But also, the thing with Star Wars is always just so weird because clearly, Lucas had some sort of outside influences
		on the set and stuff that were tempering his worst impulses, so they didn't do nine hours
		about trade routes or whatever happened in the trilogy I've been trying to forget ever since.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gosh.
		Jar Jar and Dooku.
		Like, Duke?
		Dookie?
		Duke Count Dookie?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was just awful.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Terrible names!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you know what I like about the prequels is that they're like bad movies that are funny bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I ripped my heart out.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The sequels are so much worse.
		All right, all right.
		Searden says Washington state is already building isolation quarantine camps and facilities.
		Just thought you should know.
		Is that true?
		We get a fact check on that?
		DK6 says Dexter Holland is a pioneer in mRNA research.
		His dissertation was on using mRNA for HIV treatments.
		Of course, he's Provax.
		Yes, but I think that was micro-RNA research, not messenger RNA research.
		It could be wrong.
		I don't know a whole lot about it.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know he has like a PhD in molecular biology or something, which is kind of crazy for a punk rocker or whatever, but yeah.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He also owns a hot sauce company.
unidentified		Yep.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		King County.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it Gringo Bandito?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's called.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Looks like they're actually joined over there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		King County, Washington.
		Looks like it's building isolation quarantine facility.
		According to their website.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bishop Cruz says the offspring song Self Esteem is all about weak men letting horrible women take advantage of them.
		Might as well be sung by the prototypical male feminist.
		Come Out and Play was also prescient.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I listened to that song like a hundred times.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was told- I taped it off the radio.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was told Come Out and Play when I was little was racist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You got to keep them separated.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they were from L.A.
		and, like, the gang situation at the time was, you know, legit and out of control.
		So, I assume they kind of knew what they were speaking about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I don't actually think it was racist.
		Anyway, Dominic Falcone says, Dinosaur Jr.
		is my favorite band.
		Just happy to hear it mentioned on one of my favorite shows.
unidentified		Hey, there you go.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I'm a massive Jay Maskis, Dinosaur Jr.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		fan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's that one song, like that really popular song they had?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		The one kind of song they got that was sort of popular was called Feel the Pain.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Feel the Pain.
		I know that one, that's about it.
		Alright, let's see.
		We'll grab something down here.
		Anonymous Anonymous says, on the topic of music, Pink Floyd's 1977 Animals is a great album.
		I think it speaks measures for the times we're in.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		So the original Dune trailer was tracked to that Pink Floyd cover.
		It was really awesome.
		But as I seem to recall, and maybe I'm misremembering this, but when I mentioned that early 1970s Dune attempt with Salvador Dali, I think Pink Floyd might also have been involved in that at one point or something.
		But, you know, either way, yes.
		Pink Floyd and Dune seem to track up nicely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Dune with Mick Jagger and Salvador Dali, 1970s.
unidentified		Okay, well, it was Mick Jagger, I guess.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Ian was a social media moderator and he tells horrifying stories about things we can't talk about.
		I would love to have a Facebook moderator in here to get their perspective.
		to watch. You should have one or both on. I mean, Ian was a social media moderator and he tells
		horrifying stories about things we can't talk about. I would love to have a Facebook moderator
unidentified		in here to get that perspective. All right, let's see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can Confucianists is that what it says? Who do you think has killed more dogs, the FBI or Fauci?
		Would anyone care if the dogs were placed back in a nursing or retirement home?
		Oh, geez.
		FedTee says, Pro tip.
		I want to refocus the conversation onto how exciting it is to stay healthy.
		out. If we all participated in this, we wouldn't need as much animal testing and better protections
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		from COVID. This is what I wanted to bring up earlier. I want to refocus the conversation on to
		how exciting it is to stay healthy. I think that people get excited about
		sickness and not like they get terrified, which is a form of excitement.
		And, but really it's exciting to stay alive and stay healthy.
		I know there's no end to it.
		So it's not like there's not this final excitement point that you're looking at, but man, is it fun to feel good or all the things that you can do that are exciting when you're healthy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, SlickBlackCadillac says, Tim, the scene calling for Baldwin to point the revolver at the camera means the gun must appear loaded to moviegoers.
		I believe this fact is pivotal to the chain of events.
		Also, I see Luke, I exacerbate.
		Okay.
		Well, when it comes to pointing a gun at the camera, wouldn't that require a very specific set of safety protocols to point a gun at a camera that appears loaded?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I would like to not see, I would see the cinematographer not standing behind the camera in line of fire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're not supposed to do that.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like we have cameras here that are remote controlled.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Accidents happened on set before and that's how they happened.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's criminal.
		I think it's criminal.
		I don't know if that means you should go to jail for it.
		I think a jury can figure that out, but it's criminal.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Definitely a degree of negligence that merits law and investigation.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		And a very serious one about, you know, criminal charges for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Raven Knight says, there was a sci-fi channel miniseries of Dune that was great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I bet that's the one with William Hurt.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		That probably is.
unidentified		That might be cool.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It really actually was.
		I came off the David Lynch one, so anything was good for me at that point.
		I remember not being horrible.
		And William Hurt was awesome.
		He played the dad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jacob E. Manuel says, Hey Tim, I live in Illinois, not Crap Cago, but my company tried to mandate the shot.
		We all walked out.
		Now they have allowed us to remove masks and no shots.
		Last election we voted to be separated from Crap Cago.
		Love the show.
		Wow.
		I hear all these stories where people are like, my boss mandated the vaccine and we said no, and then they change their minds.
		Isn't it amazing how unionization works?
		Isn't it funny that the left is mocking these people when they're enacting collective bargaining power?
		I love it.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Well, it cuts both ways.
		I mean, the schools were also shut for 18 months unnecessarily because of unions, too.
		But it is true that I do think that in our current situation, people need to think a lot more about collective action and conservatives need to get a lot more comfortable with it, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mavis says, Dune was created by a guy that only read the Wikipedia page and based the movie off of that.
unidentified		Perhaps.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna call fake news on that one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think they're just making a joke.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Darkside66 says, everyone is asking why Alex had a loaded gun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to know why he was pointing any gun at the cinematographer and the director.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how often that happens in movies because you get the pointing at the camera shot, which probably looks amazing on film, but how often are they standing there?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I would like to know what is the rationale for ever having a live round on a movie set ever for any reason?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we, but we went over this on the show last week and like, I mean, it's, it becomes conspiratorial at that point.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I suppose there's cartridges that have no powder in it.
		It's just the bullets.
		It looks real.
		And they use those for appearance.
		And then there are blanks.
		But, I don't know.
		Somebody put a bullet in that.
		And it's Alec Baldwin's fault.
		He was handed a real gun.
		And the left is desperate to say, somebody doesn't know what it's like to be on set.
		It's like, what are you talking about?
		I lived in Hollywood.
		I had a bunch of friends who worked.
		I was in a stupid TV show once.
		It's not like I was around big movie sets, but I've been around them.
		And it's insane to think that that's an excuse for being handed a loaded weapon and being like, but I didn't know it was loaded!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I fired a blank once out of a M1 Garand, but not at anyone, just out into the woods.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got in the car.
		I was told to drive at full speed towards these people.
		And they said, don't worry.
		It would be fine.
		But the, but then I hit them and they died.
		It's like, what happened?
		Why did you do that?
		Yeah.
		Maybe you should check.
		You should be careful.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Mudge Mudgy says Luke t-shirt saying I'm with Dave using one script.
		Like I'm with Hillary type another with a Trump type text.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Interesting, maybe.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'll talk to my designers, see what they think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm with Dave.
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		Mark, you want to shout anything out?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Uh, no, other than, uh, I got a book out.
		Rigged.
		It's behind me.
		It's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You got Twitter or something?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I am at Heminator on Twitter.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's a nice name.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I like that one.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		I signed up for Twitter like 10 years ago with my stupid college nickname because I was like, this won't be of any professional use whatsoever, right?
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I'm now cursing that it is literally destroying the entire journalism industry, but that's how I ended up with that.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'm just going to call you that from now on.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And I released two videos today one on youtube.com forward slash we are change about Janet Yellen's crazy plans for you and Another one very important one on Luke uncensored comm that I can't tell you about I want to I'm Ian Crosland and I another huge shout out to the event on Saturday night at longshot in West Virginia Tim Thanks for putting it on man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we got some Behind-the-scenes footage, there's an episode of Cast Castle up today.
		Check it out on YouTube if you want to see the lead-up to it.
		Everybody getting ready, doing sound checks.
		Really awesome.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		The cartoon for that was amazing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we have the members-only event for members on TimCast.com.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's uploaded yet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it may not be up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The members-only?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I saw a thumbnail for it, for sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's exciting.
		There's a lot of footage from that night.
		And you guys that came out, you are incredible.
		I met so many people.
		Thank you so much.
		I got this.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		A voodoo doll?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ian Crosland voodoo doll.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Bobblehead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Be nice to her.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A little bobbly bobblehead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's up yet, but we'll try and get it up as soon as possible.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But like the comedy, the energy, the people, the just interactions, it was powerful.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ryan Long was incredible.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And we could have like had a huger venue, but I think even keeping it this small, having that kind of like those kind of real small intimate conversations with individuals one-on-one was pretty important.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Here's the plan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The plan is we're going to do the exact same thing in Miami.
unidentified		Nice.
unidentified		I like it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I love that sound.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's because I was talking... By Miami, you mean free America?
		That's right.
		I was talking to Ryan Long and he was mentioning like Fort Lauderdale and the Miami area.
		And I was like, you know, I've been trying to get Luke forever.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You son of a gun!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I've been screaming about Florida forever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, but, um, someone else brought up the anti-communist movement there because of all
		of the expats is massive and they absolutely would love a freedom oriented kind of event.
		And so, you know, we were thinking about doing the same thing and then having it be,
		if we do a bigger venue, we can have an area for members like we did,
		but then we'd also sell tickets to the public for like upper seating and stuff like that.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Hard Rock Cafe.
		I mean, there's a reason I stay there half the year.
		I love it down there.
		The energy down there is huge, and it's one of the few places that is actually free.
mark hemingway ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's funny you use the word energy.
		This is exactly how I would describe it.
		I had to go to a wedding down in Tampa a month or two ago.
		And it was just shocking.
		It was like going to an entirely different country.
		People are alive.
		Things are happening in the state.
		People are optimistic.
		And in addition to the fact it didn't have any of the insane COVID protocols.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There's no negativity.
		There's no one harping and being mad at you for not wearing a mask.
		None of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll get on that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and Lydia.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Thank you guys for tuning in.
		Thank you all who came to the event.
		I was watching Ian.
		He went hard for like seven hours.
		I was like, how is he doing this?
		I kept needing to step outside.
		Ian like didn't even come up for air.
		It was ridiculous.
		I was like, this man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I trained for 20 years to do this.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Dude, yes.
		He is quite the people person.
		I love him very much, so hopefully we can do more like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He got on stage, and he looked at everyone and said, I have been training for 40 years for this moment today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then he played the guitar, and everyone was like, yay!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was good.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's what happened.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody.
		We will see you all over at timcast.com.
		Thanks for hanging out.

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