Oct. 26, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| We have some major updates in the Alec Baldwin case, the Kyle Rittenhouse case. | ||
| Man, two big stories. | ||
| We just couldn't figure out which one was more important, but we opted for the Alec Baldwin one because, well, the case with Kyle Rittenhouse is gonna be coming up the next week or so, so we're gonna have a lot of time to talk about that, but we will talk about both. | ||
| In the case of Alec Baldwin, The district attorney says that charges are possible for Alec Baldwin, and two separate high-profile legal analysts, lawyers, have laid out the case as to why Alec Baldwin may be facing at least involuntary manslaughter charges. | ||
| Now, in order to get anything higher than that, they'd have to find some kind of intent, and that's all they would need. | ||
| Seriously, a prosecutor could find out that she, you know, she once stole 20 bucks from his wallet, and then he could try and make the argument. | ||
| It's not a good argument. | ||
| But right now, this analysis from Andrew Branca is actually really poignant. | ||
| That Alec Baldwin pointed a gun, pulled the trigger, and had every opportunity to inspect the weapon and did not do it. | ||
| And then, you know, I'll add, he's been trained over multiple decades working in films, knowing firearm safety. | ||
| There were already negligent discharges on set that crew had protested over, so you're really close to getting, like, more than manslaughter. | ||
| But at the very least, that's what we could be seeing. | ||
| Now as for Kyle Rittenhouse, this is the kid in Kenosha, and I'm sure many of you are familiar with this. | ||
| Things are looking pretty good. | ||
| At least so far. | ||
| In a pre-trial hearing, the judge ruled that the men who lost their lives cannot be called victims. | ||
| I guess the argument is, the whole case is whether or not Kyle Rittenhouse was justified in doing what he did. | ||
| Was it self-defense? | ||
| To refer to these men as victims basically paints the picture that the answer is no. | ||
| We know Kyle killed these people. | ||
| The question is, was it warranted? | ||
| So the judge has outright said, you can't call them victims, but you can call them looters, rioters, and arsonists. | ||
| And there was even a point where the prosecution tried arguing that this man, you know, who was shot, there's no evidence that he attacked anyone else. | ||
| It's just arson. | ||
| And the judge snaps and goes, just arson? | ||
| Come on, I can't believe what you're trying to tell me! | ||
| It was crazy to see the judge snap at the prosecutor because, well, let's be real, the prosecutors don't have much to go on. | ||
| You had riots going on for several days and for weeks across the country. | ||
| The police had said thank you to Kyle Rittenhouse as he was showing up and gave him water. | ||
| That's going to be a tough case, but we'll see. | ||
| The jury could be absolutely biased. | ||
| So we've got a bunch of other news to talk about. | ||
| Joining us is Charles Lehman. | ||
| Do you want to introduce yourself? | ||
| Yeah, Tim, thanks for having me on. | ||
| My name's Charles Van Leeman. | ||
| I'm a Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, Tribute Editor at City Journal. | ||
| I work on all things urban policy, especially crime, which obviously is very relevant to really both of these stories. | ||
| Yeah, this'll be great! | ||
| And then we're also going to talk about impeaching Biden because before the show, he said the Republicans are going to win and they are going to impeach Biden. | ||
| And I really want to talk about that. | ||
| So we'll do that. | ||
| We got Luke as well. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So the shirt I'm wearing right now first appeared on the vlog and I saw it and I'm like, I love it. | ||
| I have to copy it. | ||
| And it says I tested positive for freedom. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| That was Kent's idea for that. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Kent, I got to send you a shirt and maybe some royalties. | ||
| We'll talk. | ||
| But I saw that. | ||
| We had a similar version. | ||
| It said something almost exactly the same, but just a little bit different. | ||
| And I was like, this is too perfect. | ||
| I need to copy it. | ||
| We got to make one because in the vlog the other day, Kent has you wearing a shirt that says, Step on Snek and find Find out. | ||
| I like that one too. | ||
| I'm like, we got to do that one as well. | ||
| So Kent, we got to talk and you can get your shirt exclusively on thebestpoliticalshirts.com | ||
| and you could also support me here at the same time by doing so. | ||
| And we also opened up mail yesterday, which was really fun. | ||
| I got a bunch of cool stuff like this Polish solidarity sign and a garbage pale kids Luke | ||
| puke card, which is really freaking awesome. | ||
| So I got a bunch of stuff. | ||
| I got a lot of stuff to hang up on the wall. | ||
| So really, how do you say solidarity in Polish? | ||
| solidarity. Like the guys going through the Soviet government. | ||
| Yes, the kind of union of people coming together saying we really don't like communism. | ||
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| movement in Poland Yes, the the kind of Union of people coming together saying | ||
| we really don't like communism We like to eat and we prefer food over stamps, but they | ||
| said we don't like communists or Nazis Exactly. | ||
| Like it's all bad. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So the Polish have a long history of resisting left-wing and right-wing tyranny and I'm very proud of my heritage and my people and my great-grandparents paid the ultimate price fighting all of those crazy ideologies and I want to make sure we don't have to fight them here. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| You know, I also received, that was actually really beautiful, what you just said, this amazing coin from 600 AD. | ||
| They're about Emperor Phocas from the Byzantine Emperor. | ||
| So cool! | ||
| Byzantine Empire. | ||
| I mean, this person understands my obsession with ancient artifacts, so thank you. | ||
| And I really want to give a shout out to B&B Forge and Leather Company, who forged this by hand. | ||
| It's a knife. | ||
| Look at this thing. | ||
| This is a cutting knife that I'm going to be using in my cooking shows in the future, probably for years to come. | ||
| It is incredible. | ||
| You guys, this guy forged it by hand and sent me the document of the process. | ||
| So thank you so much. | ||
| That's so neat. | ||
| And check out the Cast Castle vlog if you want to see us opening this stuff. | ||
| I think it'll be live tomorrow, this episode. | ||
| That was actually super fun. | ||
| We went downstairs last night after the show and we opened a bunch of those things. | ||
| That was a lot of fun. | ||
| It was very much like Christmas. | ||
| I really appreciate all of you guys for sending us stuff. | ||
| I'm excited for this evening too. | ||
| Let's get going. | ||
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| And, uh, let's get into this first big story. | ||
| We got this from the New York Times. | ||
| Criminal charges possible in shooting on Alec Baldwin's set, DA says. | ||
| An inquiry into how a cinematographer was killed with a gun the actor was rehearsing | ||
| with, which was not supposed to have live rounds in it, could take weeks. | ||
| They said the Santa Fe County District Attorney said on Tuesday that she was not ruling out | ||
| criminal charges in last week's fatal shooting on a film set. | ||
| Alec Baldwin was rehearsing with a gun that he had been told did not contain live ammo when it went off, killing the film's cinematographer. | ||
| So we know this. | ||
| Now, I've got a few questions. | ||
| First, let me just read this quote. | ||
| DA Mary Carmack-Altwee says we haven't ruled out anything. | ||
| Everything at this point, including criminal charges, is on the table. | ||
| I just want to point out, the entire time this story has been in the news cycle, Alec Baldwin has been given every benefit of the doubt, and it's been wrong every time. | ||
| The first thing they said was, it was a blank, and it was a misfire. | ||
| Now, then we learned from the Union, it wasn't a blank, but it was a misfire. | ||
| Now we're learning Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger. | ||
| It wasn't a misfire. | ||
| Negligent discharge. | ||
| You know, I think that's even interesting too. | ||
| Was it negligent discharge or was it Alec Baldwin intentionally discharging the weapon? | ||
| That's why this starts to get into criminal territory. | ||
| And there's also a lot of people complaining about the production cutting corners, a lot of staff saying that they were terrified because the guns were going off beforehand incorrectly. | ||
| And hearing, you know, misfire by the mainstream media, it doesn't tell the story here at all. | ||
| So we're seeing a concerted effort to try to murky the waters already. | ||
| So at least, at least there should be an investigation here to find out what really happened. | ||
| Misfire specifically means the gun didn't go off. | ||
| So that's incredible negligence by the media saying that. | ||
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| Yeah, they were obsessing about it. | ||
| It's like fully semi-automatic. | ||
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| They don't know what they're talking about. | ||
| Whether he intended to or not, it was a negligent discharge, and I think it... I mean, there were three people that I can tell are involved. | ||
| Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is the armorer who handed the weapon to Dave Halls, who was the assistant director, who handed the gun to Alec and told him it was cold. | ||
| We don't know that. | ||
| Well, this is according to this story from LATimes.com. | ||
| What I'm saying, you know, I hear you. | ||
| What I'm saying is we've been told every step of the way one thing and then only to find out later that wasn't true. | ||
| So one of the details that I read was that there were three different guns and someone walked over and grabbed one. | ||
| So I kind of feel like him claiming he told Alec it was cold is just them covering, you know, their asses. | ||
| I think this is from the director's testimony. | ||
| They got a hold of the director and they're like, what happened? | ||
| He's like, dude, I mean, it's gruesome. | ||
| You really want to hear about what happened? | ||
| The girl was paralyzed by the bullet first. | ||
| Couldn't feel her legs. | ||
| And then she died. | ||
| It's absolutely horrible. | ||
| Negligent. | ||
| I mean, you want to... This is... | ||
| You know, for someone who lectures about how dangerous firearms are, he sure didn't take this matter seriously. | ||
| Well, so I kind of feel like manslaughter is possible, but you know, when I was bringing this up earlier, Charles, you were just like, never gonna happen. | ||
| No, I, well, I mean, you know, the... | ||
| Look, the calculus is ultimately political. | ||
| It's like, does the Santa Fe prosecutor, what are her aspirations, and does she want a media trial? | ||
| Does she want to navigate a media trial? | ||
| I suspect the answer is no. | ||
| A, I don't think the trial happened that he would be convicted. | ||
| I don't think the jury's going to convict. | ||
| I think he's too sympathetic. | ||
| And B, I don't think there's any interest in actually going out and prosecuting the case. | ||
| Yeah, just from a political perspective. | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| I don't think you know what happened. | ||
| I think we can guess, but I think it is unlikely. | ||
| Nobody wants that heat. | ||
| Nobody wants the attention of a celebrity murder case. | ||
| Less people hate him, and people like Alec Baldwin. | ||
| He's kind of a jerk, people like Alec Baldwin. | ||
| Half the country does, and that's the big issue. | ||
| When it comes to issues like Kyle Rittenhouse, Derek Chauvin, we know Antifa will go around and smash up windows and burn down buildings, and the right won't do anything like that. | ||
| So there's already an obvious, you know, it flows in one direction. | ||
| The prosecutor's gonna look at this and be like, okay, let's say we do go after Alec Baldwin. | ||
| We're gonna get a bunch of crazed, you know, lefty types screaming in our faces, yelling at us, and let's say we don't prosecute them. | ||
| Nothing happens. | ||
| Okay, so which do we choose? | ||
| I think Lady Justice is blind, and if an actor negligently discharges a weapon that he should have inspected and kills someone, that a manslaughter charge is warranted. | ||
| Well, let me read this from Legal Insurrection. | ||
| This is where it gets interesting, because the DEA is saying they could have criminal charges, and Andrew Bronco, we've had on the show before, he's got excellent analysis on the Rittenhouse case, which we, you know, and we'll talk about that case in a second. | ||
| They say, Alec Baldwin situation beginning to look a lot like manslaughter. | ||
| The more we learn about the fact of the case, within the context of New Mexico criminal law, the more this shooting looks increasingly like a crime. | ||
| Specifically, felony involuntary manslaughter. | ||
| He goes on to say the relevant facts assumed to be established. | ||
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| That it was Alec Baldwin who was manipulating the gun that fired the projectile that killed Ms. | ||
| Hutchins. | ||
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| That the gun discharged because the trigger was depressed by Baldwin, and not because of some defect in the weapon. | ||
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| The muzzle of the weapon was directed towards Ms. | ||
| Hutchins by Baldwin when it was fired. | ||
| E.g., she was not killed by an unpredictable ricochet. | ||
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| The gun contained a live round, the bullet of which struck and killed Ms. | ||
| Hutchins. | ||
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| That Baldwin had the opportunity to inspect the weapon for live ammo before he directed it at Ms. | ||
| Hutchins and pressed the trigger, killing her. | ||
| And lastly, there was no justification for the shooting of Ms. | ||
| Hutchins. | ||
| Now, interestingly, some of these recently are new developments, such as that he pulled the trigger, that he pointed it at the woman, and then he pulled the trigger. | ||
| Initially, people were saying misfire, as if to claim that, like, I heard one report they were like, oh, someone pulled the hammer back and handed it to him, and then when he was holding it, it just went off. | ||
| Like, as if that's what misfire meant. | ||
| No, misfire means it didn't shoot. | ||
| This was negligent discharge. | ||
| The other relevant factors which I've stated, but for the context right now, I'll say again. | ||
| There is a witness who, uh, not a witness, but I guess you could say a character witness, someone who's worked with Baldwin, who says that they worked with him in the past and he was always very careful. | ||
| That was back in, I think, the 80s or something. | ||
| That means Alec Baldwin has decades of firearms training on set. | ||
| He's a producer of the film. | ||
| There were already negligent discharges on the set that crew had complained about, so you can't say he didn't know. | ||
| Then he was handed a weapon, aimed at the woman, and pulled the trigger. | ||
| That sounds like, that sounds intentional. | ||
| From a legal perspective, not a strong point of legality, but from a firearm safety perspective, | ||
| the number one rule of even a prop gun is that you don't point it at somebody unless | ||
| you're willing to pull the trigger. And as you were saying, for somebody who's so | ||
| aware of how dangerous firearms can be, there's no reason to point a prop gun at somebody who | ||
| you're not actively using. I don't know if he was aware. | ||
| If he was aware, I think this would have been prevented. | ||
| He sure preaches a lot, a lot of this political ideology against people who want to have the right to defend themselves. | ||
| The first rule of firearm handling... Every time... One of my former colleagues, a guy named Steven Gutowski, who now runs... He runs a gun news site called The Reload. | ||
| But he's one of the best firearm reporters in America right now. | ||
| And Steven took a bunch of us shooting at the NRA range. | ||
| It was a good time. | ||
| And the first thing that they tell you, everybody in that room is viscerally aware of the importance of trigger discipline, of being wearing your safeties on, wearing your safeties off, of where you're pointing your gun, only ever pointing the gun downrange. | ||
| If it's loaded, only ever point it down. | ||
| Like these are, you know, if you genuinely believe this is a deadly weapon, or if you believe this is a facsimile of a deadly weapon, you have to treat it as such, because it will always be loaded. | ||
| Let's think about the absurdity of the argument I keep hearing from people defending Alec Baldwin. | ||
| It's the most insane thing ever. | ||
| I'm getting all these tweets where they're like, clearly Tim has never been on set before. | ||
| And they're saying things like, tell me you've never been on a movie set without actually telling me you've been on a movie set. | ||
| I just want you to imagine. | ||
| That you're on a movie set. | ||
| And I've been on sets before. | ||
| I've been on sets of TV shows and films. | ||
| And I just want you to imagine. | ||
| You're working. | ||
| You're a PA or whatever. | ||
| You got, you know, look at the Warner Brothers water tower. | ||
| And then all of a sudden you see Alec Baldwin pull out a gun and point it at you. | ||
| And you're gonna be like, this is totally fine! | ||
| It's Hollywood! | ||
| People point guns at everybody all the time! | ||
| There's nothing weird about this at all. | ||
| No, if that actually happened, people would be screaming and running. | ||
| Yet, for some reason here, Alec Baldwin drew a gun, pointed it, shot, killed somebody. | ||
| And they're acting like it's normal. | ||
| It's not normal. | ||
| It looks like they were in the middle of a shot. | ||
| Crazy word, shot. | ||
| They're in the middle of this take, and they got bad light, so they had to move the camera. | ||
| And it's like, momentary lapse of thought. | ||
| I think that all three of these people, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, Dave Halls, and Alec Baldwin are all culpable for this killing. | ||
| Ultimately, Alec's responsibility. | ||
| All three of them deserve to be investigated and charged for this. | ||
| No, I disagree. | ||
| The woman who was the armorer, she made a mistake but she didn't point a weapon at somebody. | ||
| She handed someone a loaded gun. | ||
| So what? | ||
| So that's illegal. | ||
| Well, she handed... Actually, I don't think she even handed the weapon to somebody. | ||
| It was the assistant director who picked the gun up and handed it to Baldwin. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So she's got guns and someone comes up and grabs one. | ||
| I don't think necessarily that that's criminal. | ||
| It's her job to have the weapons on set. | ||
| According to the story, they went to lunch and then they came back and they just gave... So someone, while they were away at lunch, the guns were unattended. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's the armorer's fault. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't know if that's, like, are you implying that while they're away someone snuck in and put a live bullet in the gun? | ||
| It's possible, yeah. | ||
| But in that case, the person who put the bullet in there is at fault. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| There's reports that some of the staff were using the gun for target practice even before that with live ammunition. | ||
| So, I mean, this goes along with the kind of narrative that we've been hearing, that they've been cutting corners, that they were just trying to make sure that they produced this movie as cheap as possible. | ||
| The staff were protesting. | ||
| They were mad. | ||
| They walked off set for safety concerns before this incident. | ||
| They walked off set because of conditions that they said weren't right on this movie set, but Alec Baldwin and the production staff still continued, and I mean, this is where we are right now. | ||
| We have a story from Fox News. | ||
| I say, Mark, how do you pronounce that? | ||
| Geragos? | ||
| Famed lawyer says he'd be shocked if involuntary manslaughter not brought in Baldwin-Rust shooting. | ||
| I gotta be honest. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I'd be shocked if there are charges brought. | ||
| This is a guy who is an establishment activist, you know? | ||
| She was really well-loved though. | ||
| And he has a lot of money. | ||
| In the legal system here in the United States, it doesn't matter if you're right and wrong. | ||
| It matters how much money you have. | ||
| It matters what kind of lawyers you could hire. | ||
| And he's gonna hire, if there is charges, he's gonna hire the best lawyers that they are that will give him the best justice that he could afford. | ||
| And he could afford a lot of it. | ||
| So let's just be honest how the legal system works here because a lot of times it doesn't matter what happened. | ||
| A lot of times it matters who you got on your side and how much money you got. | ||
| So you think he'll throw the blame on Dave Halls who had it in the gun and said it was unloaded? | ||
| I think there's many avenues here. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But there's many different avenues that I see them running with potentially here. | ||
| I think... I think there's gonna... no one's gonna get in trouble for anything. | ||
| They're gonna say it was an accident. | ||
| Oh, we're so sorry. | ||
| He's gonna make a donation. | ||
| It'll all just go away. | ||
| I'm not obsessed with punishment. | ||
| I definitely think that throwing someone in jail isn't necessarily the best way to make sure they don't commit a crime again. | ||
| But I definitely think this looks like a manslaughter. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Like, what would jailing Alec Baldwin do to prevent him from doing this again? | ||
| I kind of feel like he won't do this again, you know? | ||
| But people want some kind of emotional satisfaction. | ||
| Well, it's not just emotional satisfaction, right? | ||
| The justice system serves a variety of functions, but retribution is not just about emotional satisfaction with the public, it's about the fact that there was a real harm done Regardless of intent, and there has to be some response to that. | ||
| The absence of the response is harmful. | ||
| I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out, yeah, I'm trying to get over here what the deal is with the district attorney who's, you know, going to be, uh, district attorney's offices are highly politicized today in 2021, the way they were five, 10 years ago. | ||
| Um, it's, she seems like a, she, she seems like a career professional, but you know, she has an enormous amount of power in making these decisions. | ||
| It turns on, it turns on her, uh, essentially unlimited discretion whether or not to break charges. | ||
| You know, actually, you bring that up, it's actually really simple. | ||
| Is she a Democrat or Republican? | ||
| I didn't look it up, but she's Santa Fe District Attorney. | ||
| She's a Democrat. | ||
| She's elected. | ||
| Man, he's not going anywhere. | ||
| Yeah, he's good. | ||
| It sounds like maybe you were implying that if nothing happens, if no charges come, that actors in the future won't really care if they happen to also issue a negligent discharge. | ||
| Oh no, I think they will. | ||
| I mean, I think deterrence matters as well for punishment, right? | ||
| But like, in this case, it's not about deterring Alec Baldwin. | ||
| It's not about deterring other people. | ||
| Like, Alec Baldwin's probably not going to go out and shoot a bunch of people. | ||
| But it is about, like, the primary function of the justice system in this case is adjudicating to what extent the person who was harmed was harmed in a way that violated the law. | ||
| And then if that's true, how they can get reciprocity for that harm. | ||
| Yeah, a civil suit's coming, and Alec's gonna be paying out millions to the family. | ||
| Regardless of criminal culpability, Alec Baldwin is responsible. | ||
| And it's remarkable how many stands for Baldwin can't accept that. | ||
| I'm a big fan of his work in 30 Rock. | ||
| You know, Jack Donaghy is one of the funniest characters in a TV show. | ||
| 30 Rock's amazing. | ||
| You know, and he's in Beetlejuice. | ||
| Great, good for him. | ||
| He's kind of a bad person, but I can separate the art from the person. | ||
| But, you know, let's talk about the inverted story now. | ||
| We got this with Kyle Rittenhouse. | ||
| This one actually really surprises me. | ||
| This is from NPR. | ||
| Prosecutors cannot call those shot by Kyle Rittenhouse victims. | ||
| A judge has ruled, and he also ruled, they can call them arsonists, rioters, and looters. | ||
| I didn't see this coming. | ||
| There's been a few rulings in favor of Kyle Rittenhouse in these pre-trial hearings. | ||
| The trial, I believe, is what, six days? | ||
| November 1st, it's supposed to start. | ||
| November 1st! | ||
| Yup, any day now. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| Jury selection is coming up. | ||
| I was saying before that I thought Kyle Rittenhouse was going to get life in prison. | ||
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| Because the jury is going to be unwilling to go up against the riots. | ||
| When those riots happened in Kenosha, the only people who came out and did anything was, for the most part, Rittenhouse and the people with him, the militia guys. | ||
| The cops said, thank you for being here and gave them water. | ||
| But do you think the jurors are happy about that? | ||
| I'm sure they're just like, I wish there was no conflict. | ||
| Now, if they side with Rittenhouse and those individuals, maybe they can cross their fingers that those people will come out and defend their neighborhood after the riots happen, or they can say, you know, just, he's guilty and he can go to jail and then we don't gotta worry about riots at all. | ||
| This is going to be a very important case because a lot of people are betting on this case. | ||
| A lot of people, you know, there's a lot of implications here. | ||
| Betting like in Vegas? | ||
| A lot of people are doubling down and investing in this and a lot of people are threatening to riot. | ||
| A lot of people are threatening a lot of civil disobedience. | ||
| A lot of people are threatening to do violence to others if this court decision doesn't go the way that they want it to go. | ||
| So you see this politicized in so many different ways, and that's why it's going to be so difficult to actually get true justice here, I believe, because of how many people from the outside are involved in this, how many people are investing into this. | ||
| And what I mean by betting, I mean putting political capital into this, because a lot of this hangs in the balance of where this country is going to go. | ||
| That's how a lot of people see it. | ||
| And if they see if Kyle wins, this is going to be a plus for the right-wingers. | ||
| If Kyle loses, this is going to be good for the left-wingers. | ||
| And these are big sides that are mounting a lot of power behind this major court decision. | ||
| I think that it's right he's a totem. | ||
| I mean, I don't have a strong opinion on the case. | ||
| That's why we have an adversarial criminal justice system. | ||
| The jury should know more about it than I do. | ||
| But I do think the context of the case This sort of, like, temporary collapse of civil society that happened last summer is the context in which this all became possible. | ||
| It's the context in which, like, a teenager, justifiably or not, was out patrolling the street with a weapon. | ||
| Like, something deeper has gone wrong that you get to that point, regardless of whether or not he was justified in the individual shot. | ||
| You said temporary collapse. | ||
| Well, they aren't currently, okay, they're not doing great in Minneapolis, but they aren't currently having exactly, in Kenosha, they're not having exactly the same level of rioting that they were having. | ||
| I think this is a symptom of the greater problem, which is the collapse of civil society. | ||
| If you take a look at the federal level politics, if you take a look at even state to state politics, it just, right now, it just feels like the law is, if you are in line with the party in power, you're good. | ||
| If you're not, You're out. | ||
| Democrats control most of the cultural institutions, basically all of them. | ||
| Right now they have Congress and the executive branch. | ||
| And as much as conservatives might, you know, people might claim the conservatives have the Supreme Court, it's still kind of an establishment conservative based on the Supreme Court, not a populist Trump-supporting one. | ||
| So what happens? | ||
| Well, Alec Baldwin likely will, you know, face no charges. | ||
| Kyle Rittenhouse is facing very serious homicide charges. | ||
| And the crazy thing is, There's a lot of people that want to say Rittenhouse is a hero. | ||
| And I don't think we need to say that. | ||
| I think the situation was bad all around and people shouldn't have been there, but it's hard to discern exactly how it should have went down. | ||
| I'm not gonna pretend to have all the answers. | ||
| But when you have someone like Destiny, who is the leftist streamer, he got banned from Twitch's partner program for saying definitively this was the clearest case of self-defense he'd ever seen or something to that effect. | ||
| The fact that they charged him with homicide and these very serious charges says to me they're expecting to fail. | ||
| So my favorite example is, did you follow the case of the two New York highly educated lawyers who got picked up? | ||
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| Colin Firmatis. | ||
| The Molotov cocktail ones? | ||
| Yeah, the two people who went out and threw Molotov cocktails at cop cars. | ||
| What I love about that story is the rallying to their defense. | ||
| If you go look at federal records, there were lots of people who got picked up for arson charges, like guys who threw molester cocktails at the courthouse in Seattle, people who burned out cop cars. | ||
| And yet, peculiarly, these are the ones who got a full court press in the media. | ||
| These two highly educated, well-connected activists slash lawyers who decided they would go out joyriding with You know, explosives and attack a cop car. | ||
| Handing them out? | ||
| Weren't they giving them out to people? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they received, like, adulatory attention. | ||
| And the reason is because they know the people who know the people who write the coverage. | ||
| They are in the position of power. | ||
| And so they eventually, they pled guilty. | ||
| They're going to go to sentencing. | ||
| I think they're not. | ||
| The statute of actions is 10 years. | ||
| It's not going to get 10 years. | ||
| They're not getting it. | ||
| Nobody gets the statute of actions. | ||
| There's major media organizations running defense for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I mean, this goes along with what was happening last summer. | ||
| I mean, dozens of people were murdered. | ||
| People were burned alive. | ||
| And then we had people like Kamala Harris raising money for them to get them bailed out of jail. | ||
| So that tells you they found. | ||
| In the Minneapolis riots, it was what, like a month after a building had burnt to the ground, they found a corpse. | ||
| They didn't even know. | ||
| It was the missing person. | ||
| They're like, oh, the writers. | ||
| Yeah, the writers killed him. | ||
| The murderers killed him. | ||
| And you know, what's important about this is not just the like. | ||
| The rioting happens. | ||
| It's the normalization, the cultural normalization of rioting and simultaneously the approbation for law enforcement. | ||
| Those were simultaneous phenomena. | ||
| The real problem we were being told as our cities were burning was that the cops are too tough. | ||
| Would that be considered murder if you burned a building down and there's a person inside that you didn't know was in there? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But at the same time, a lot of people were unhappy with the cops, even on the right, because of the lockdowns. | ||
| Cops are coming along, shutting down small mom-and-pop businesses. | ||
| People on the right were like, wait, wait, wait, what is this back to blue flag that I have here that absolutely is hypocritical for me to have if I actually believe in personal freedom and liberty? | ||
| I was told coming in that I was gonna have to be the one defending the cops. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, I think, look, the responsibility, maybe you don't want to look at that particular topic now, but in general, the responsibility of the police is to preserve civil order and enforce the laws written. | ||
| Yeah, and you know, allow Walmart and Costco to be open while they shut down the small mom-and-pop businesses. | ||
| Would you say that's ethical and right and moral? | ||
| No, I would not say that's ethical or right and moral. | ||
| I would also say that the root of the problem is not with policing as an institution. | ||
| Well I think I think policing just in general obeying ... orders from bureaucrats when they're immoral illegal and ... decrees is is a huge moral problem in this country and ... why a lot of people on the right didn't support them when ... Black Lives Matter stepped onto the streets and we're ... saying hey we don't like these cops a lot of right-wingers ... | ||
| Yeah, they got a point. | ||
| I don't like them either because of what they just did to me. | ||
| It's the same attitude of concern or opposition to civil society. | ||
| It's like, look, at the end of the day, we live in a society that has rules. | ||
| You don't have to like the rules. | ||
| We're processed for changing these rules. | ||
| I think there's a problem that this process has become increasingly abstracted from democratic accountability. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| But at the end of the day, if you don't like the rules, you still have to follow them. | ||
| If you don't, we don't have a society anymore. | ||
| We can't live in a society where you can be free to throw a Molotov cocktail at people and get free defense in the press. | ||
| And while I agree that unequal fortune is bad and baton rules are bad, the ground trust in that law and order, I think, is critical for running a stable, functioning polity. | ||
| And you're right, except, when it comes to Luke's examples, the police were shutting down businesses by decree, without legislative process. | ||
| So these were cops who were saying, look, it's not a law, it's not democratic, it's not legal, but the guy who signs my checks told me to do it, so I'm gonna do it anyway. | ||
| And they did it selectively, so the politician's friends got to do whatever they wanted to, the billionaire class. | ||
| Well, take a look at de Blasio painting Black Lives Matter in the street, and then sending 27 cops to defend that. | ||
| That was an illegal seizure of taxpayer dollars. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I think hypocrisy on the part of executives is a major problem throughout the pandemic. | ||
| If it's Gavin Newsom dining at... The French restaurant, the Laundry restaurant. | ||
| The French Laundry. | ||
| If it's all the big city mayors who have been caught not wearing masks or they continue to impose mask mandates in their cities, it's a major problem. | ||
| Biden administration officials keep getting picked up not wearing masks in public. | ||
| On the Amtrak, There was an incident in North Jersey where when they shut down all the businesses, a woman was doing a Facebook live stream showing off the things she sold and cops came to her business and said, ma'am, you need to close. | ||
| And she goes, what are you talking about? | ||
| We are closed. | ||
| And they're like, no, turn your phone off. | ||
| That's the crazy thing. | ||
| There was no law saying you couldn't post a video online and say, hey, I got stuff. | ||
| You want to buy it? | ||
| And the cops came and threatened her. | ||
| Who are these cops? | ||
| These are the people, so this is the problem I have. | ||
| If this is the direction policing is going, where cops are quitting over vaccine mandates, they're refusing to abide by the edicts, and those who will abide by the edict are staying in place, then we don't have what you described. | ||
| Police officers keeping civil society, you know, functioning and enforcing the rules. | ||
| What we have are people who are not enforcing the rules, who are just acting as lackeys for despots who are ruling by decree. | ||
| In which case, we need to stop that. | ||
| Now, if abolishing the police is too extreme, and maybe it is, then we need to fire all the cops that are unwilling to abide by the law, and then hire cops who are. | ||
| And how we do that? | ||
| Maybe it's a review process then. | ||
| But all of these cops that are remaining right now need to be questioned. | ||
| It's like, hey, we have you on video shutting down a small business by decree. | ||
| We're firing you because of that. | ||
| Or we have a video of you beating a black man in the street for no reason. | ||
| Yeah, you're getting fired over that. | ||
| So I think that's right. | ||
| You want to fire the guy who beats a black man in the street for no reason. | ||
| Every cop that I have talked to says, independent of the merits of the case, Derek Chauvin was not the guy that they want to beat. | ||
| They were not fans of his, every cop that I have spoken to. | ||
| He was doing something wrong. | ||
| But I think policing in particular is so subject to this very particular critical lens where we pick out the most high salience harms. | ||
| You can go back and forth about the validity of public health edicts or the arbitrary way in which they were enforced. | ||
| Although I was going to be forced to be arbitrary a little bit because I think there were lots of abuses. | ||
| But what I'm interested in defending is the institution of policing as such because that's the thing I think it's under attack. | ||
| I kind of disagree with you because, you know, people throughout history, you know, always argue we need to do the legal thing. | ||
| Well, it was legal to segregate people based on their race. | ||
| It was legal to put people in extermination camps. | ||
| It was legal to do all horrible atrocities that governments have committed throughout human history. | ||
| And it was written decree by the law, by executives, by, you know, whatever processes. | ||
| And I think some of those have to be questioned sometimes. | ||
| The law. | ||
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| Absolutely. | ||
| The law is the least worst governance that we have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not good, it's just better than the absence thereof. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I would argue that there would be less harm. | ||
| I think, as we were discussing to bring the conversation full circle, the thing that gave birth to Covered in House is what anarchy looks like. | ||
| I think that that is... Absolutely not. | ||
| That's an arco tyranny. No, no, no, no, if it wasn't for the state incentivizing putting fuel on that fire making | ||
| that fire that much worse working hand in hand with the mainstream media showing that George Floyd footage over and | ||
| over again enraging people we would have never happened if you didn't have so many state elements participating. The | ||
| cops were there. | ||
| They were for that for For days, these people were burning down buildings. | ||
| There's a video where a guy in his 70s, his mattress store I think it was, was being burned down. | ||
| And when he tried stopping people, someone went behind him and cracked him over the head with a rock, left him lying on the ground unconscious and bleeding out. | ||
| And the police stood back and did nothing. | ||
| So why, why am I going to support these guys? | ||
| Why am I going to pay for these guys? | ||
| When Kyle Rittenhouse and his crew showed up, the cops said, thank you for being here and gave them water. | ||
| So then, just one last point. | ||
| When it finally reaches the point where they were pushing a flaming dumpster towards a gas station, and they were, we have video footage and we've had three different, we had four, no, we've had five witnesses on this show telling us that's what they were doing. | ||
| And the police did nothing. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| We can sit back and say, there was a good possibility the gas station could have blown up. | ||
| Or, Kyle Rittenhouse took a fire extinguisher and put the fire out so they chased after him, and then someone fired around either into the air or at him, depending on who you ask. | ||
| The press says in the air, New York Times says that some witnesses we've spoken to said it was at him. | ||
| And then he turned and was attacked by Rosenbaum and fired in self-defense. | ||
| If the police were doing their job, none of this would have happened. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with that! | ||
| So you guys had Michael Schellenberger on recently, right? | ||
| And Schellenberger, in his book, he got what he claims is the first at-length interview with Carmen Best, who was the Chief of Police in Seattle. | ||
| Where the Chas Chop protests happened. | ||
| And she was the one who got the order to give up the 5th Precinct and retreat after they took over the precinct and established their little autonomous zone. | ||
| And what she says, she was like, this is insane. | ||
| Why are you telling me? | ||
| It's just very basic strategy. | ||
| You don't give up a defended position to a bunch of rioters. | ||
| But she was ordered to. | ||
| And I think the reason for that is that there was a sense that police activity and advert harmful police activity man her justified was | ||
| going to be punished in the in the public eye more than writer activity was so it's like when | ||
| you go to the ice cream shop and there's a little kid screaming i want two scoops the | ||
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| stop yelling if i do and then he never stops yeah | ||
| The police need to come in and say, what you are doing is illegal. | ||
| You are hurting people and burning down buildings, and we will respond in kind to stop you. | ||
| So you're talking about officers leaving over vaccine mandates, but cops have been departing big city departments, either retiring or resigning, or Most frequently, as far as I can tell, going to other more friendly jurisdictions. | ||
| And when you talk to them, what they say is basically like, I don't believe that the civilian leadership is going to have my back. | ||
| I don't believe that if I make the wrong call, I think they're going to throw me under the bus because my job is not popular. | ||
| There's an element of that, but there's also a lot of police officers that are brown-nosing and are saying, you want me to leave? | ||
| You want me to give this police precinct to these crazy people? | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Have it! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| There's police officers standing by. | ||
| I remember watching police officers twiddle their thumbs as, like, rioters were just taking New York City by storm. | ||
| It's really simple, then. | ||
| It's really simple. | ||
| The system's broken. | ||
| The police aren't policing. | ||
| The system doesn't work. | ||
| The institution as we've known it and want to protect is gone. | ||
| And so now my fear is what remains are cops who are unwilling to enforce against rioters because of bad optics and because they won't get protected, but they're more than happy to arrest you for bearing arms, your constitutional right, and they're more than happy to fine people and do all of the administrative and bureaucratic, you know, civil violation stuff. | ||
| So all that's going to happen is people are going to say, I was going like five over and I got pulled over. | ||
| Dude, give me a break. | ||
| Some dude burned down my favorite restaurant last night. | ||
| Y'all did nothing for it. | ||
| So if we're getting only the worst of policing, and it's not just the police's fault because of it, it's also civilian leadership, then what are we actually defending? | ||
| Well, but I think it's a policy choice, right? | ||
| It's not the case that, you know, it's not the case that necessarily this needs to be the arrangement. | ||
| I think it's the case that, you know, there's, when I was talking at Schellenberg's book, San Francisco, you know, I think one of the things that comes across is really, A theme of contemporary progressivism is that socially deviant, harmful behavior should be tolerated, and socially normal behavior, the average person should be highly regulated. | ||
| That like, if you want to do drugs and camp out on the sidewalk and poop there, You can do that, and we will pay you to do it. | ||
| But everybody has to be subject to the mask mandate. | ||
| Everybody has to have their soda band. | ||
| Ooh, diaper mandate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that that is a theory of urban governance. | ||
| That's a progressive theory of urban governance. | ||
| And the thing that happened in the riots is that the judgment call was made that it would be more harmful to the legitimacy of the city to see cops stopping riots than it would just be to let everything burn. | ||
| And this is part It's propagated through the media. | ||
| NPR published why rioting is good. | ||
| Everybody everywhere was like… In defense of looting. | ||
| In defense of looting. | ||
| Everybody was like, well, the insurance companies will pay out, so it's fine. | ||
| And they didn't. | ||
| Hosing the small business owners in the process. | ||
| There's a systematic choice that was made to say this deviant behavior will be tolerated | ||
| because the legitimacy of the system is in question if it isn't tolerated. | ||
| So, you know, I take your point about the selectiveness. | ||
| I just think the problem is like several layers, levels up from the cops per se, excuse me, the problem is like terrible governance decisions. | ||
| I want to, I want to segue into this story we have. | ||
| This is from Fox News. | ||
| John Oliver, you know him, you love him, says, effing let police officers who resist vaccine mandates quit. | ||
| Oliver argued resistance to vaccine mandates sums up the core issue with American police. | ||
| I'm sure it does. | ||
| But, uh, we're, we're, we're segueing, segueing from the story that ultimately I think, you know, we were talking about the Kyle Rittenhouse riots. | ||
| We're talking about how the police were standing down in the, in the George Floyd riots. | ||
| I shouldn't say Kyle Rittenhouse riots, the George Floyd riots in which, or that was the Jacob Blake riots. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| There's so many, I get confused sometimes. | ||
| And we will soon have the Kyle Reinhaus riots, because there's trials soon. | ||
| But the ultimate result, I think, is going to be cops quitting. | ||
| And so we have this story, which is really interesting, because police are quitting. | ||
| A bunch of cops. | ||
| I think NYPD is suing over the vaccine mandate. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| Chicago, they're instructing the officers to defy the mandate. | ||
| In Baltimore, they're doing the same thing. | ||
| The end result, I think, is going to be cops quitting. | ||
| And here's the funny thing. | ||
| We've long been saying now, like long as in the past couple of weeks, the left should be cheering for this! | ||
| They wanted to defund the police, abolish the police, they should be happy, right? | ||
| Turns out they are. | ||
| Fox News reports. | ||
| Last week tonight, host John Oliver took aim at police officers who have yet to get the vaccine, encouraging them to effing quit. | ||
| Quote, the police are supposed to be keeping the public safe. | ||
| That is the point of their jobs, yet some don't seem to give much of an ish about that. | ||
| The liberal host single liberal host single out Chicago and New York police departments is fall | ||
| falling under that category. CBD officers he noted resisted uploading their vaccination | ||
| statuses to a portal. Over 20 officers are on no pay status for refusing to comply. | ||
| He also shared a video of a pair of NYPD officers who were seen removing a commuter from the subway | ||
| while they themselves were unmasked. That video was actually kind of funny. You see it? A guy in | ||
| a mask yells at the cops to put a mask on so they kick him out of the subway. That's crazy. Now, | ||
| I think they are gonna be happy. | ||
| I think the left is effectively getting their abolish the police through this or defund them at the very least. | ||
| Well abolish the police was never really about abolishing the police. | ||
| It was about a loyalty test. | ||
| It's making sure that the police that are going to enforce their edicts and their decrees are going to stay there and the people who are going to question it are of course going to be kicked out and to me John Oliver just kind of confirmed how much of a loyalty test these vax mandates are because A lot of the people who are compliant, a lot of the people who are saying, yes, I'll just do whatever you tell me, are the people who have taken the Vax. | ||
| Some of the people who can't take the Vax, or don't want to take the Vax, or more people who are not in line with the state, who question the state, who still are waiting for a lot of the data to come in, are people who are usually skeptical of centralized authorities. | ||
| So this to me is going to shift things in a major dramatic way as of course there's estimates that major cities could lose one third of their police forces because of these mandates. | ||
| Now when you have such a huge loss with crime already going up dramatically in cities this is a recipe for a disaster and to me only propagates a situation where of course you're going to have politically divided people more and more in certain areas that may or may not go against each other but We also have the news that in Florida, the governor there, Ron DeSantis, is offering police officers $5,000 in a signing bonus if they refuse to take the vaccine and relocate to Florida and decide to be police officers there. | ||
| Something's happening in Indiana. | ||
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| I don't know the number, but there's a push for similar. | ||
| There's an Indiana police department that said that they're going to welcome all the Chicago police officers, whichever police officers do not want to take the vaccine. | ||
| There's also a Chicago Police Union president that has been censored. | ||
| He can't speak about the vaccine and what's going on right now. | ||
| But before he was censored by a court, he was making some pretty good points about how a lot of these policies are discriminatory, how a lot of his officers can't take the vaccine, don't want to take the vaccine, have natural herd immunity. | ||
| He was making some really good legitimate arguments. | ||
| But this is a major issue. | ||
| There's a lot of reasons why I thought we should get away from the city. | ||
| loyalty test that will separate this nation into very, very far away political spectrums | ||
| that hopefully are able to stay together away from each other peacefully. | ||
| There's a lot of reasons. | ||
| Most likely not. | ||
| There's a lot of reasons why I thought we should get away from the city. | ||
| We were originally in the Philadelphia area on the Jersey side and we wanted to, we almost | ||
| bought a building out there, but sale kind of fell through and it was just, you know, | ||
| And then I thought, you know what, we need space. | ||
| We need space, we need cheap space, and we shouldn't be in New Jersey for a variety of reasons. | ||
| And one of those was that as much as the cops we had were actually really good, We had a small department with a handful of guys who were, they were quick, they were good people. | ||
| I talked to them, you know, I would go into the police station and talk to them and they were great. | ||
| Moderate individuals, not crazy Trumpers, but certainly not authoritarian. | ||
| And I just kind of thought, as things get crazy and they issue these lockdown orders, And just north of where we lived was the Atlas Gym, where the cops actually came and arrested a guy, I guess. | ||
| Ian Smith, right? | ||
| Ian Smith, yeah, he's the guy who runs the gym. | ||
| And the initial, the first cops who came there were like, we're not gonna enforce this, have a nice day. | ||
| So they pulled cops from out of town. | ||
| And I was like, if they can do that, staying in this place is a really, really bad idea, because the cops aren't going to protect you, they're going to oppress you. | ||
| They're gonna tell you that by decree, you can't leave your home, you can't go to the store, you can't do these things, but they're not gonna be there when you need them. | ||
| And so I thought, you know what? | ||
| I would rather be somewhere with no cops. | ||
| So where we are right now, if you call the cops, they might be here in, I don't know, a half an hour, longer. | ||
| And where I live, good luck. | ||
| It's a mountain. | ||
| And so, like, my actual house. | ||
| And as much as there's still risks there, because then everything's on you, one thing I noticed is that a lot of people have said, People are actually reluctant to go up into a mountain full of right-wing nutjobs and commit crimes because everyone there is armed to the teeth. | ||
| Not that anybody actually ever shoots anybody, they don't. | ||
| But people knowing that cops aren't going to come, they don't climb a mountain and then try to rob Mountainfool in the cities. | ||
| People got a lot of guns in the cities too, though. | ||
| Yeah, but not- Usually the criminal class. | ||
| But look, look, look. | ||
| In New Jersey, where I was told explicitly by the police, by multiple departments, that | ||
| if someone breaks into my house with a gun and fires at me, I have an obligation to flee | ||
| my own home. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, yeah, we had someone try to break in. | ||
| And I'm like, what do I do? | ||
| The one cop goes, I'd answer the door with a shotgun. | ||
| And so I looked it up and I talked to him. | ||
| They're like, oh, but if you use it, you'll go to prison. | ||
| What they said was, it's a semi-castle doctrine state. | ||
| What that means is you have an affirmative defense to shoot someone who enters your home, but you will be arrested and charged first. | ||
| Then, after you spend a night in jail and try and get bailed out, which you might not, you can tell the judge why you were justified in shooting the man who was trying to kill you, your friends and your family. | ||
| And so I'm like, I'm gonna have to argue in court that I don't want to jump from the- We didn't have a back door. | ||
| The first floor went over a balcony because it was on a hill. | ||
| And I'm like, so I gotta jump off a 20 store- you know, for 20 feet up? | ||
| Slide down a pole- a beam on my deck? | ||
| Or defend myself with a- I'm getting out of this state. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| West Virginia doesn't have those problems, my friend. | ||
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| West Virginia has a lot of problems, but does not have a crime problem. | ||
| It has a drug problem! | ||
| That's a remarkable fact. | ||
| It's not a drug problem, it's a big pharma problem that made it a drug problem. | ||
| It's not a drug problem. | ||
| Huh? | ||
| It's a drug problem. | ||
| Yeah, it's a drug problem that was exacerbated by the big pharma. | ||
| Uhhh, no. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| We could debate this later on the after show, but we could agree to discreet. | ||
| West Virginia doesn't, but look, most crime in America, not all crime, most crime in America, increasingly most crime in America is concentrated in cities. | ||
| 80% of people live in metropolitan areas. | ||
| You don't get a lot of crime in rural West Virginia because nobody lives in rural West Virginia. | ||
| Nobody's going to come out and try to shoot you. | ||
| I think we have situated the conversation in terms of like, we saw the largest single-year percentage-wise and absolute terms increase in homicide on record last year. | ||
| Aggravated assaults rose 11%. | ||
| Grand Theft Auto rose 11%. | ||
| Nationwide, it was much worse in individual cities. | ||
| There are cities in America, Baltimore, Chicago, where the homicide rate, particularly the homicide rate for young black men, exceeds 100 per 100,000. | ||
| The nationwide figure is like six. | ||
| It's an enormously high rate. | ||
| So that's – crime is a real and increasing problem in the United States. | ||
| By comparison to the rest of the world, crime is an intolerable problem in the United States. | ||
| Twenty thousand – fifteen, twenty thousand people die a year of homicide. | ||
| Compare that rate to any other developed nation. | ||
| It's inconceivable. | ||
| That's thing one. | ||
| Thing two is that we know – Got a culture problem. | ||
| Well, we have a whole host of problems, but the root causes don't matter. | ||
| What matters is what solves the problem. | ||
| And the answer is we have a lot of really high-quality evidence that police are an effective tool for reducing crime. | ||
| That if you put cops in an area, crime declines in that area. | ||
| That if you increase police forces, crime goes down. | ||
| We're not talking about just minor crimes. | ||
| We're talking about homicide. | ||
| But let's think about those budgets for a second. | ||
| I mean, I've been to some countries where they have very... They don't have armed cops, you know, like South America has the Guarda. | ||
| They've got a lot of crime for sure in a lot of areas. | ||
| But, you know what, maybe it's... You look at Scandinavia, and they're an example of how countries are just very different. | ||
| The left likes to use them as an example of how proper policing can be done, but then you're like, but they're small and they're different. | ||
| In the United States, we do have a lot of cops. | ||
| We do have massive police budgets. | ||
| We actually, we actually, so first of all, we don't have massive police budgets. | ||
| We spend about 3% of all dollars go to cops. | ||
| It's 100, excuse me, of all government spending across local, state, and federal. | ||
| What's a comparable country with? | ||
| So the second point is, we don't spend a huge amount of money on cops. | ||
| The second point is like, compared to OECD countries, cops per capita, we're like in the middle. | ||
| Like we don't actually, we have way more prisoners per capita. | ||
| Our prison capacity is, Enormous our cops are like Middling we absolutely there's there's a there's high quality estimates. | ||
| This guy named Aaron Chalfan at um Pen and another fellow whose name is escaping me who do estimates of the returns to policing and their argument is that American cities are systematically under policed For the simple reason that like the amount of money that we spend versus the amount of money that we could save In real value a few people murdered if there were fewer cry through fewer thefts of their fewer assaults The benefits that we leave on the table dramatically outweigh the amount of money that we're spending now. | ||
| Well, there's also another aspect to entertain here, and that's a lot of the blue flu going around, a lot of police officers refusing to do their job. | ||
| There's also the fact that the NYPD has almost the same amount of members as many militaries around the world, almost comparable to Some of the top militaries out there. | ||
| They have a whole NYPD intelligence unit that literally has spies all over the world. | ||
| I would say that, you know, them spending five billion dollars is a lot of money for policing that many times they decide not to do and participate or even enforce. | ||
| Militaries and police forces are apples to oranges. | ||
| The number of things police forces have to do are much larger than the number of things police forces have to do. | ||
| B, New York City is a dramatic success story in terms of public safety. | ||
| If you look at violent crimes decline since the 1990s, it's fallen dramatically across the United States, across major cities, homicide, crimes of violence, etc. | ||
| The decrease in New York City is 50% larger than other cities. | ||
| Frank Zimring, who's a criminologist at UC Berkeley, looks at all the relevant factors | ||
| in his book on this called The City That Became Safe. | ||
| And his argument is that the root explanation is basically like there was a transition to | ||
| more policing and more and better policing in New York City in the 90s. | ||
| Like the NYPD, there are certainly – it is an enormous department. | ||
| They spend a lot of time and a lot of money on a lot of different things. | ||
| But it's hard to argue with the results in terms of crime reduction. | ||
| New York City, in homicide rate terms, for example, looks so much better than comparable cities in the United States. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| How do you compare what happened within the last few months and last year when crime and violence has gone up so dramatically? | ||
| How do you explain it? | ||
| I mean, I'm just asking you legitimately, not trying to counter you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, so the last year's trends are, I think, alarming and it's There's a live debate about what caused the increase. | ||
| Is it COVID? | ||
| Is it lockdowns? | ||
| I think that there's some argument there, but I find it ultimately uncompelling for reasons I can enumerate. | ||
| You know, I do think ultimately, if you look at the timing of when the increases happen, if you look at where they happen, it comes down to – and this goes back to the conversation – a concerted national effort To delegitimize policing and to delegitimize the police. | ||
| Like, if you agree with the claim that cops reduce crime, that cop presence reduces crime, and then you start punishing cops for showing up, you start saying it's not cool to be a cop, it's we hate the cops, we want to defund the police, cops are racist pigs who want to murder us, you're going to lose policing capacity. | ||
| When you lose policing capacity, crime is going to go up. | ||
| And that's what we saw happen dramatically last year. | ||
| I'm not sure that explains I think there's so many variables that we could add on to this. | ||
| There's also mass decarceration. | ||
| We are, by best estimates, at like a tenth of the jail population that we were in February of 2020, and that's going to have an impact at the margins. | ||
| I did some data analysis today. | ||
| I looked at 9-1-1 calls in Seattle because there's a paper arguing, looking at 9-1-1 calls as evidence that cops lost legitimacy after George Flay's death. | ||
| 9-1-1 calls went down. | ||
| And one of the arguments that I make in response to this paper is data that looks at calls for service by cops usually looks at both calls by civilians, like you pick up the phone and call 9-1-1, you're like, There's a crime, but also calls by cops to the center that manages dispatch. | ||
| It's hard to disaggregate this data. | ||
| The people who are writing this paper didn't disaggregate this data. | ||
| They assumed it was all civilians. | ||
| If you look in Seattle, which is where you're able to get really good numbers, you look at calls from cops and you look at calls from civilians. | ||
| The week after George Floyd's death, calls from civilians are flat. | ||
| They remain the same. | ||
| Calls from cops collapse 80%, 70%. | ||
| And have persisted consistently. | ||
| That's a measure of police activity, police proactivity. | ||
| You can look at employment in big cities. | ||
| You can look at the NYPD. | ||
| You can look at the Minneapolis PD. | ||
| Collapsed. | ||
| You can look at stops and arrests. | ||
| Collapsed. | ||
| Across metrics, not across the country, but in large cities, there's good reason to believe that cops are doing less and less proactive. | ||
| And you can argue That's bad. | ||
| I think it's not great. | ||
| I would prefer that cops, like, selflessly kept going out and doing their jobs no matter the incentives. | ||
| But you should also be willing to say, like, actually, the incentives are pretty bad right now. | ||
| To actually be a cop and do the cop's work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in some elements, I definitely agree with you. | ||
| And I think you did bring up some important points. | ||
| What do you think about the George Soros-appointed district attorneys? | ||
| Do you think that they play a role in allowing a lot of criminals to be let off for a lot of the violent crimes, for a lot of the, some people say, petty crimes? | ||
| But I think there might be a correlation with a lot of people being sent off while they're committing hard crimes. | ||
| Meanwhile, political crime, I would argue, is being prosecuted very heavy-handedly, especially if you believe in the wrong kind of political ideology. | ||
| Yeah, I want to jump to a story here, actually, because this is a really, really crazy tweet I saw from Mike Cernovich. | ||
| Cernovich says, Judge Amy Jackson released a J6 defendant from pretrial custody after he disavowed Trump in a letter and his lawyer suggested a political conversion. | ||
| I've never seen anything like this ever. | ||
| So here's a guy who's been in jail now for, what is it, going on nine months. | ||
| And there's been horrifying conditions. | ||
| There's a guy whose hand was broken. | ||
| They didn't give him medical treatment. | ||
| A judge held the, was it the warden and the director? | ||
| DC warden, yeah. | ||
| And the director of the Department of Corrections, I guess, got held in contempt. | ||
| And now they've seen the writing on the wall. | ||
| Disavow the politics you previously supported and they'll let you go. | ||
| You would call this re-education. | ||
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| This is the state of our current political and law enforcement environment. | ||
| If that's the case, I think we are, are we already beyond that red line, past the red card? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| September 11th in the Patriot Act was the red line. | ||
| When they signed the Patriot Act, they crossed the red line. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that happened throughout history, though. | ||
| There's a lot, that's true, I think that was a major turning point, but there were other things that people, you could say, crossed on the Gulf of Tonkin, crossed the line. | ||
| They can arrest anyone at any time with the Patriot Act. | ||
| Then there was the NDAA. | ||
| Indefinitely, for no reason, What? | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| I guess they're doing it. | ||
| Well, I would just kind of go back to the point. | ||
| What do you think about the kind of prosecution of political crimes while George Soros's appointed AGs usually let a lot of criminals off? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think the progressive prosecutor movement, it's harder to track what's going on. | ||
| One of the reasons you're able to criticize, people are able to criticize cops so effectively is because big city police departments release a lot of information. | ||
| DA's offices are not actually that transparent. | ||
| Some of these progressive offices are getting a little more transparent, which is nice because you can see where they're not prosecuting. | ||
| Larry Krasner not pursuing gun crimes in Philadelphia, for example. | ||
| It's hard to figure out what the impact has been in the short run, but I suspect in the long run, petty crime will flourish. | ||
| If you look at a city like San Francisco, what has happened with shoplifting there is clearly in part a byproduct of the state's decision to say that theft under $950 will no longer be treated as felonious theft. | ||
| It's partially a product of decisions by DAs like Chesa Boudin to say these offenses are not a serious issue. | ||
| These minor offenses. | ||
| This goes back to the point I was making earlier. | ||
| It's like, if behavior is perceived as socially deviant in certain ways, then it's considered acceptable and not deserving of punishment. | ||
| If behavior is perceived as, you know, I don't have a strong opinion about this particular case, I don't know all the details, but I think it is certainly true that people can be prosecuted if not by the law, then certainly the public opinion for opinions which are not deemed acceptable by the mainstream media, by public commentators. | ||
| I think a lot of cops are also disenfranchised. | ||
| I think there's a lot more of the blue flu going around than we even know about. | ||
| I think that's one of the reasons. | ||
| But also, it's kind of understandable because A lot of these cops are like, okay, I booked this guy, I risked my life to put him in jail, and then he's just let out the next day. | ||
| What the hell is going on here? | ||
| Why should I even risk my safety to do this again when everyone also hates me? | ||
| So I think there's an element of this that should be talked about and considered. | ||
| When you talk about something like bail reform, I think there's a strong argument that cash bail is not a great idea, that you shouldn't be let in or out of jail because of your ability to pay as opposed to your risk to society, which is something you can do. | ||
| But if you look at New York State's original bail law, which rather than assessing risk, just sort of released people, created a strong presumption of release for many classes of offenders. | ||
| And the effect was, you were seeing guys get picked up and arrested 20 times, and they were out the very next day. | ||
| And it's like, you're right, what is the point of running a criminal justice system And my colleague, Rafael Mangual, at the Manhattan Institute likes to say, criminals don't specialize. | ||
| The guy who is getting picked up for jumping a turn style or public indecency, he's the same guy who thinks it's cool to jack a car. | ||
| There's a terrible case in San Francisco. | ||
| A guy was out on bail, thanks to Chester Boudin, stole a car, should've been in prison, should've | ||
| been jail, and ran over and killed two pedestrians, an old lady and her daughter, no, her niece. | ||
| It's a horrible case, and what happens is that criminals don't specialize. | ||
| The guy who gets stuck in jail for one thing, well, gets let out, he is often the guy who | ||
| goes on to commit a more serious offense. | ||
| There are powerful elites that know they're burning the country to the ground, and they | ||
| like the fact that many of these leftist and establishment Democrat types are too stupid | ||
| to realize what's going on, or they're all really stupid and just marching in lockstep | ||
| because they're not smart enough to realize they're burning the place to the ground. | ||
| You look at the policies in these cities with these Soros DAs, and they're like, I'm gonna release this violent offender, and then he kills somebody, and it's like, well, who could have seen that coming? | ||
| I kind of agree with you, Charles, that there are like two types of people, one that respects the law and one that doesn't respect the law. | ||
| But then I see people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, who, they made specific crimes that you gotta wonder, is that law just? | ||
| That they violated? | ||
| Like, was Hitler's restoration of the professional civil service of April 7th, 1933, which excluded Jews from civil service, was that a just law? | ||
| I mean, no. | ||
| No, it wasn't. | ||
| I like Jews being the social service. | ||
| The criminals that violated that law weren't the kind of criminals that would mug someone necessarily. | ||
| Sure, and even not-Nazi-Germany, we can create unjust laws. | ||
| We live under unjust laws now, I think so. | ||
| But part of the principle of living in a republic is that we don't get to flout laws that we don't like. | ||
| We have some agreement. | ||
| It's not necessarily that everybody's malicious, it's not necessarily that everybody's stupid. | ||
| I think about the mayor of Seattle, Jenny Durkin, I forget her last name, who looked at the Chaz Chop Zone and was like, this is the summer of love. | ||
| Until they went to her house. | ||
| The people who are getting shot and murdered in New York and Chicago and Baltimore are not the people who are running the city. | ||
| 90 plus percent of homicide victims in New York City every year are black or Hispanic. | ||
| They're not the people who are running. | ||
| You know, Eric Adams is a black dude. | ||
| He lives in New Jersey, but he is a black dude. | ||
| But generally, he's not coming from the context of the people who are getting shot. | ||
| So I think a lot of it comes down to sort of abstraction into political ideology. | ||
| It's like, I believe that these people are at the center of systems of oppression, so I just need to sort of liberate them. | ||
| It's like, No, I don't think it's that genuine. | ||
| I don't think it's that loving and caring. | ||
| These people don't live with them. | ||
| They're not in the same communities, and I agree with that particular point. | ||
| But to think that a lot of these people making these policies are not seeing the effects of them, I think, is not a realistic point. | ||
| I think they know exactly what they're doing. | ||
| I think it's leading to a system that they want. | ||
| A situation that they want, that has people fighting each other, arguing with each other. | ||
| It has people unhappy, has people unhealthy, has people being victims of crime more than ever. | ||
| And I think that benefits a system that thrives off of that. | ||
| And I think I would argue that rather than, I know what's right. | ||
| I'm going to help these people. | ||
| They pretend to say that, but at the end of the day, they know that they're not doing that. | ||
| I don't like that a small group of representatives are in charge of making the laws anymore. | ||
| It doesn't seem right with 350 million of us that have access to the internet and doing this together that we've given up the power to like 600 people. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense because you see these bastardized laws that they're creating and enforcing like the NDAA. | ||
| They can just grab someone out of their house and stick them in Guantanamo for as long as they want. | ||
| That's not justice. When they took a, what are they like a red, what was it, a red rider, | ||
| a little wagon with 5,000 pages for the omnibus bill and they're like carting it into the | ||
| Congress and they're like, nobody read it, nobody's gonna read it, let's make it a law. | ||
| That's a functional system right there, huh? No, no it's not. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| But I think there's a bigger conversation to be had here because when we look at the statistics, especially within the last few months, the people are getting screwed over here. | ||
| People are getting hurt more than ever. | ||
| People are being victims of crime more than ever. | ||
| People are becoming more unhealthy, more unhappy. | ||
| They're getting robbed economically every step of the way here. | ||
| And a lot of this comes from a lot of these politicians saying, I'm going to help you. | ||
| They're not helping you. | ||
| They know they're not helping you because look who's benefiting off of this. | ||
| A lot of multinational corporate elites, a lot of billionaires who are raking in record profits while everyone else is having a harder time making it by. | ||
| To be fair, I mean, you can just follow Nancy Pelosi and buy the stocks that she buys, right? | ||
| And come on, when all this went down, it should have been obvious to everybody that you could just buy the stock for Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Amazon. | ||
| Walmart's private, though. | ||
| Walmart's not publicly traded. | ||
| I think it's private. | ||
| You could have bought Amazon stock. | ||
| That went through the roof. | ||
| So of course it was benefiting the billionaires. | ||
| But it was also benefiting the millionaires. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| See? | ||
| So if you were a millionaire, you were doing all right. | ||
| Oh, you guys are talking about working class people. | ||
| Oh yeah, the working class people were screwed completely. | ||
| You know, I think sort of my response to that point is, so like this is not the worst violent crime has been in the United States, right? | ||
| There's a, for viewers under the age of 30 who do not remember, I'm under the age of 30, but like for viewers who don't remember the 80s and 90s, Homicide rates were substantially higher, violent crime rates. | ||
| You couldn't walk through Times Square in New York City because it was like a den of prostitution, sin, and iniquity. | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
| Do you know why homicide rates were substantially higher before 2007? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Cell phones. | ||
| Lack of cell phones. | ||
| So, one thing that needs to be considered when it comes to tracking the homicide rate is that once cell phones became ubiquitous, Violent crime that resulted in death became violent crime that didn't result in death because people could call 9-1-1 immediately, whereas before this, they would rush to find a phone. | ||
| And so what ends up happening is there's an illusion that there's a major drop-off in violent crime when there isn't. | ||
| It's the same, there's a similar level of crime. | ||
| It is going down. | ||
| So the violent crime rate declines substantially from 1994. | ||
| The homicide rate falls from 1989. | ||
| And actually there's a leveling off around the Great Recession in the But that actually meant that that violent crime was skyrocketing, right? | ||
| So I'll put it this way. | ||
| Homicides changed because of cell phones into attempted murders. | ||
| And so you had less people dying that substantially changed the nature of how crimes were being reported. | ||
| So when you look at the Great Recession, it's like, oh, it's flat. | ||
| Actually, people are surviving the violent attacks. | ||
| I mean, you would expect an increase in the aggravated assault or violent crime rate then, which doesn't happen. | ||
| I mean, I believe in improvements in trauma medicine. | ||
| And so there's a great, you look at, what's his name? | ||
| Steven Pinker. | ||
| It could be that people weren't reporting the crimes. | ||
| If there's a corpse on the ground, it gets reported. | ||
| Yeah, so homicide is sort of the historically most reliable indicator, right, because there's a corpse on the ground. | ||
| But we can plausibly compare the 1990s to the early 2000s when you say that violent crime is substantially lower. | ||
| You can quibble about what the direction of that is, or the magnitude of the change, but it's definitely down. | ||
| The point that I wanted to make is that violent crime rose in the 60s and 70s, I think largely for ideological reasons. | ||
| All of the same ideas were in the water, that we should convert—that the criminal justice system should be primarily rehabilitative, that cops were violent and dangerous and racist, and that they needed to be—frankly, they were more violent, dangerous, and racist than they are now. | ||
| perhaps way worse, 50 years ago than they are today, 60 years ago than they are today, | ||
| that what we really needed was like a more therapeutic state that looked after everybody. | ||
| And these ideas had enormous currency in the 60s and 70s, and there was a retraction of | ||
| criminal justice capacity, there was a retraction of policing and incarceration capacity, and | ||
| the result was predictable. | ||
| Like, these ideas go in and out of fashion, they come in and out of style, and I think | ||
| that they're coming back now. | ||
| Well, so I want to ask you, you know, before the show you were saying that you think the | ||
| Republicans are going to win. | ||
| They're going to. | ||
| They're going to. | ||
| they're gonna... | ||
| Do you think the Republicans are going to win in 2022? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think all the fundamentals are there, right? | ||
| Joe Biden's approval is underwater. | ||
| A Democratic president takes office, the GOP usually wins, usually gains seats in the following election. | ||
| The GOP could totally blow it, but I think if they play their cards right, then Kevin McCarthy's Speaker. | ||
| I think that's likely. | ||
| It's a narrow margin in the House as is. | ||
| And what do you think the first thing they'll do is? | ||
| Oh, well, this is what I said. | ||
| Not just the first thing they'll do. | ||
| That's why I'm asking specifically. | ||
| Do you think... Okay, I'll just get into it. | ||
| You said they're going to impeach Biden. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I want that to happen. | ||
| But do you think it'll be the first thing they do? | ||
| Like, do you think they'll be like, we're doing it! | ||
| We're impeaching this guy! | ||
| No, it'll be something like... | ||
| It'll be a messaging bill, right? | ||
| It's like when the Democrats retook the House, the first thing they did was pass H.R. | ||
| 1, the Voting Rights Act, which is part of the broader messaging schema of Republicans hate democracy, we're the pro-democracy party, vote for us. | ||
| I don't know what the GOP's day one bill is. | ||
| But do you think they have a good case for impeaching him or do you think it's just going to be a lie? | ||
| of the economy. I do think that the precedent has been set that impeachment is a political | ||
| tool, especially when you are in control of the House but not the Senate. So, you know, | ||
| it doesn't matter. I think they're totally going to impeach Joe Biden because that's | ||
| what you're just going to do now. | ||
| But do you think they have a good case for impeaching him or do you think it's just going | ||
| to be like, eh, we'll figure it out? | ||
| I think they'll figure it out. | ||
| I think it's going to be Ukraine. | ||
| I think it's going to be the laptop, the emails, the photos of Joe Biden, the emails where he's sharing his bank account with his son and collecting money, and then they're spending money on each other's behalf. | ||
| There's no specificity in the Constitution of what high crimes and misdemeanors actually means. | ||
| It's whatever Congress says, and it's unreviewable by the Supreme Court or any other court. | ||
| It's purely a political decision. | ||
| So they'll find something because it'll be a great way to put Joe Biden on trial in the public eye and that will line up 2024. | ||
| Do you think he should be impeached? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You don't think like all the stuff he did with Ukraine and Rose Monsenica and all that stuff that's now basically confirmed? | ||
| His Hunter Biden connected bank account that they were doing absolutely illicit and illegal things with? | ||
| I don't have strong opinions about the details there. | ||
| I do. | ||
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And I think that there's a big argument to make here about pure criminal inaction. | |
| I'm sure the House Traveling Caucus will be happy to call you in as an expert witness on the impeachment hearings. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I don't trust the Republicans as far as I could see them or throw them. | ||
| And I don't think they're even going to go with impeachment. | ||
| I think there's going to be talk about this, but I don't think they have that much of a backbone and spine to even do that or even to match the Democrats on many of their aggressive motions, to be honest with you. | ||
| I think the base wants a lot of things, and I think Republicans are there to placate them, pat them on the back saying, yes, in just a little bit, just a little bit more, we'll just give you anything you want, just vote for us. | ||
| They're bad, but I think that's the game that they're playing here. | ||
| That's my own personal opinion, and I might be wrong. | ||
| The great thing about controlling the House of Representatives is that you're totally powerless, right? | ||
| As I was saying before, every time the Democrats who take the House, they're like, oh, we're going to pass Medicare for All. | ||
| We're going to do it in the House. | ||
| And if you vote for us, you're going to get it. | ||
| And then, you know, they win. | ||
| Maybe not on the Medicare for All thing. | ||
| Maybe we're not going to do that. | ||
| Because they know it's politically popular, and they can make an empty promise. | ||
| And the same thing is true. | ||
| Here's my bet. | ||
| Day one bill, there's going to be a federal law banning CRT in schools. | ||
| Not really clear what that means, but they sure are going to ban it. | ||
| And that's going to be, you know, they're going to prohibit federal funding for local schools. | ||
| If they get the Senate, then it will move to the Senate, but then Biden will veto it. | ||
| Right, well, it won't clear the filibuster, so it won't matter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you can do these messaging builds, you can do these, and impeachment, and this goes back to the point, like, impeachment is just part of the political process now, it's just like a thing that you do to show that the other team is bad. | ||
| I'm not even convinced Republicans are gonna win, right? | ||
| So, we were talking about this before we started the show, you know, FiveThirtyEight and a bunch of other outlets say that, historically, the opposing party should win, and there's data to suggest it may happen. | ||
| But there have been so many rule changes with like universal mail-in voting, which massively advantages Democrats for one simple reason. | ||
| Most of you probably heard me say it, but it's this simple. | ||
| When it comes to ground activism, knocking on doors, Democrats can hit a thousand families in one apartment complex, whereas Republicans got to drive. | ||
| That means that Democrats can clear way more ground doing advocacy than a Republican ever could. | ||
| That's going to be massive for them. | ||
| Oh, that's your ballot right there. | ||
| Fill it out. | ||
| Put it in your mailbox. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| Republicans knock on doors. | ||
| They can hit a tenth of the houses. | ||
| Republicans have completely ignored this. | ||
| Those that have been paying attention to the election have mostly been concerned about the audits, which have been long drawn out, and some interesting information comes out that ultimately no one moves on and nothing happens. | ||
| Meanwhile, we can actively see the rules they're trying to change. | ||
| H.R. | ||
| 1, like you mentioned, and that Like the Time Magazine article, the shadow campaign to save the election. | ||
| We know exactly what they're doing to advantage themselves, and Republicans don't care. | ||
| So maybe they should win, but maybe they won't. | ||
| Here's the dirty little secret about most changes to the electoral structure. | ||
| They don't have a huge impact. | ||
| My favorite example of this is voter ID, right? | ||
| Voter ID is this great racist plot to destroy the democratic electorate, and if the republicans get to pass voter ID, then it will be the end of democracy as we know it. | ||
| Except that actual studies of voter ID laws that have been implemented, it has no impact on the turnout. | ||
| The results are exactly the same. | ||
| And this is true. | ||
| AVR has an impact. | ||
| Automatic voter registration, motor voter, has an impact. | ||
| Um, I don't—nobody knows what mail-in's gonna do because it's just like so weird, um, compared to, like, the status quo ante. | ||
| Like, people voting from home is just so different after COVID. | ||
| Um, but I think in general, if you're too lazy to vote, you don't vote. | ||
| If you're not—if you're motivated to vote, you, like, go stand in the line. | ||
| And— Except with universal mail-in voting. | ||
| Universal mail-in voting. | ||
| Someone could knock knock on your door and you get up and your eyes are half closed and they go hi I'm with such-and-such campaign. | ||
| Did you vote yet? | ||
| And they go no like well, there's your ballot right there Why don't you fill it out learn to go? | ||
| I guess or how about the mom walks in and goes kids did you vote yet? | ||
| And they're like no mom I don't care just fill out your vote. | ||
| So we're not getting ice cream and they go fine. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| What am I voting for? | ||
| Just vote Democrat. | ||
| Okay They fill it out. | ||
| It's the ground game I think is most important because I've seen these organizations. | ||
| I actually did, I volunteered to register people to vote at a concert for Death Cab for Cutie back in, this was like the Obama period. | ||
| And so, guess what? | ||
| Every person there was voting Democrat. | ||
| So you've got people like Scott Pressler. | ||
| He's registering Republicans. | ||
| He's very effective, and boy, do they go after him. | ||
| But the Democrats can easily do voter registration, and when you've got your mail-in ballots sitting right there on your table, and you knock on the door, look, it may not be the lazy people who they're gonna get, but there could be negligent people who go, you know, I was gonna. | ||
| Well, why don't you just fill it out right now? | ||
| Okay, sure, I guess. | ||
| And then just put it in your mailbox. | ||
| Mailman will come take it. | ||
| That's gonna massively increase turnout. | ||
| I mean, the interesting question to me is, A, we didn't see a huge increase in turnout in 2020, so it could change in 2022, although, like, who votes in the off-site election? | ||
| The interesting question to me is, like, the historical norm is that if turnout is high, Democrats win, turnout is low, Republicans win, for the simple reason that The Republican base is smaller, but it's a higher propensity to vote. | ||
| It's like old people have nothing better to do than vote. | ||
| The Democratic base is larger, but they're lower propensity to vote. | ||
| It's like young people who are out partying in a Death Cab for Cutie concerts rather than voting. | ||
| But I think that that is shifting as the electorate polarizes along educated lines. | ||
| We at the Manhattan Institute just put out a paper that I think is really interesting talking about on-cycling or off-cycling elections. | ||
| Virginia, the big race that's coming up next week, Virginia holds its elections off-cycle, which is like in 2021, in odd-numbered years. | ||
| And that massively depresses turnout. | ||
| Or like, school board elections are usually held in Asian states that are mandatorily off-cycle. | ||
| Local elections happen in opposite years. | ||
| And you get these turnouts. | ||
| Larry Krasner, who's the progressive prosecutor, just won the Democratic primary in Philadelphia. | ||
| This was seen as a major victory for the progressive prosecutor. | ||
| 18% of eligible Democrats voted in the Philadelphia D.A. | ||
| primary in, I think, March. | ||
| 10% of them voted, 10 percentage points voted for Krasner. | ||
| 8% voted for Carlos Vega as a Krasner one. | ||
| It's like, that's not a referendum. | ||
| So, you know, we're talking about, when you bring elections on cycle, you dramatically change the electorate, and I'm interested in, if you boost voter turnout, does that Now, with the changing party composition, actually start to, if not benefit Republicans, then shift the balance in interesting ways. | ||
| I think that's a real possibility with the Republican Party capturing lower education voters, the Republican Party capturing otherwise disenfranchised voters. | ||
| If you make it easier for those people to vote, how does that shake things up? | ||
| I think it's unclear. | ||
| Virginia is going to be a huge sign of things to come. | ||
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| We'll see. | ||
| Neck and neck in Virginia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Virginia's gone full blue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really funny. | ||
| You know, the area we're in, it's a tri-state. | ||
| It's Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia. | ||
| And boy, do people talk very poorly about Virginia around here. | ||
| Maryland is already bad, but these counties up here are very red. | ||
| Where we are right now, we're in one of the counties that just filed that letter saying we want to join West Virginia. | ||
| You go over the river to Virginia, and you're in Loudoun County. | ||
| You know all about Loudoun, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And then, so it's a very conflicted area. | ||
| You cross the river into West Virginia, and it's red. | ||
| I don't know if Loudoun is red or blue, but it's conflicted, and considering the state itself is supermajority now, or it's not, I don't know if it's supermajority, but majority Democrat, it's very, very interesting to see the sentiment of these people in these areas. | ||
| One of the interesting things about West Virginia is that CRT is getting to those schools as well. | ||
| It's because these activists are going and infiltrating rural areas on purpose. | ||
| I guess it'll be interesting to see how that plays out in the next few years when it comes to elections, but I think Virginia's election is going to be, I don't know, kind of, what's the right word? | ||
| It's about weather, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and it's really interesting how the two candidates are playing it, right? | ||
| Like, McAuliffe is betting on Virginia as a blue state, and it's the kind of blue state that's motivated to turn out because they hate Donald Trump. | ||
| Right, his agenda is, Glenn Youngkin is Donald Trump in the flesh. | ||
| He's just the local, like, you think, you know, I'm terrible, Terry McAuliffe is like a, he's a career politician. | ||
| He's been governor of Virginia before. | ||
| He can't keep straight any of a number of things, including how many people in the state of COVID at any given time. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But that's his bet. I think Glenn Youngkin's bet is he's laying on the policy details. | ||
| He thinks people are mad about these red meat issues. He thinks people are mad about CRT | ||
| and that that will get enough turnout in the non-NOVA counties to push it over. And is | ||
| it going to happen for him? I don't know. I think you're right that everyone wants it | ||
| to be a bellwether. I'm not sure. I think if Glenn Youngkin loses, I still think Republicans | ||
| It doesn't cause me to revise that. | ||
| I think if Glenn Youngkin wins, Republicans are totally going to retake the House by a big margin. | ||
| It's going to be interesting. | ||
| I mean, this is a big election, and I think you're right, Tim. | ||
| I mean, there's a reason Barack Obama's getting involved here. | ||
| Even making comments about what happened in Loudoun County, which we can't even talk about here on YouTube because of the adult nature of what happened in that school. | ||
| But Barack Obama said, you know, it's just parents overreacting and clearly a court ruled and saw things a totally different way. | ||
| The facts speak of a totally different story. | ||
| And I think that story that we can't even talk about that. | ||
| I think there's another reason why we can't talk about. | ||
| I think it might be even politically motivated. | ||
| is is is shocking a lot of people in Virginia and is motivating them to vote against the current establishment against people like Barack Obama that are just conflating it with, oh it's just parents being crazy. | ||
| We'll talk about that in the member segment because this is a particularly graphic story and if you want to get the full details out it's not something you want your kids to hear and it's also something that YouTube probably wouldn't be happy with because it involves a lot of sensitive It involves a lot of really disgusting issues, I'll put it that way. | ||
| But I do want to talk about something while we're still live on this show, and it's a hard segue, but this is really important. | ||
| From TimCast.com, Rumble acquires Locals in a bid to expand creator economy. | ||
| The company wants to foster high-quality content by giving creators control of their content and data. | ||
| Very interesting move. | ||
| For those that don't know, Rumble is a very popular video player. | ||
| It's alternative to YouTube, essentially. | ||
| It's got a lot of independent and conservative voices on it. | ||
| And it's considered kind of like an alternative to YouTube. | ||
| There have been many. | ||
| Rumble seems to be doing really well and seems to have large coffers, as it were. | ||
| And Locals is basically Dave Rubin's answer to Patreon. | ||
| So now Rumble has acquired Locals. | ||
| I don't know what this will mean for the people of Locals who have their accounts there. | ||
| But wow! | ||
| This is a fast move. | ||
| We have a quote actually. | ||
| Quote, we felt there was an opportunity to fairly serve everyone by providing the same tools large creators have without preferencing, Rumble told TimCast via email, based on the premise that small creators like Friends and Family were no longer being prioritized on platforms like YouTube. | ||
| Privately owned Rumble launched in 2013. | ||
| The company's creators felt large platforms focus on multi-channel networks, large corporations, and brands. | ||
| Unlike other platforms, creators using Locals own not only their own content, but also the community data. | ||
| The data can be analyzed to better understand and engage the creator audience with more insight into who they are reaching. | ||
| Creators can expand their work and continue to generate revenue without outside influence. | ||
| Instead, they'll use a subscription model Locals has built. | ||
| This is particularly interesting. | ||
| Ian, what do you think about this? | ||
| I think the consolidation of corporate power is often done with good intentions. | ||
| Dave Rubin sold you out. | ||
| He got a bunch of big, big popular people in there by using his personal brand and his trust, and then he sold you out. | ||
| He made... I don't know, they haven't released how much money he got paid to sell you out, but he is a... | ||
| What do you mean by sell them? | ||
| I mean that he just got paid a lot of money and got an offer he couldn't refuse to give now control of all these people trusted Dave. | ||
| They trusted you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now they have no choice but to be owned. | ||
| Their data is now owned by Rumble. | ||
| This is what Google bought YouTube. | ||
| I remember that happening in 2008. | ||
| Well, so they say specifically that you own your community data. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| I don't know anything about this deal, to be honest. | ||
| I think the bigger issue I have with... Look, I tweeted out congrats to him for pulling it off. | ||
| I think it's fantastic. | ||
| I think there's some critiques we have. | ||
| I think it's good that the independent tech environment is growing larger and more powerful. | ||
| And ultimately, this will be good because there needs to be market competition against YouTube and Patreon and Silicon Valley. | ||
| This is what we're seeing. | ||
| However, that being said, I don't like ANY of how the system is operating. | ||
| And it's not anything personal with Rumble. | ||
| We use Rumble. | ||
| I think Locals is fantastic. | ||
| But the whole time, The Patreon fiasco happened. | ||
| This is basically, you know, Patreon bans Carl Benjamin. | ||
| They banned Lawrence Southern first, then they banned Carl Benjamin. | ||
| They basically nuked people's income without warning or notice. | ||
| Overnight, one day, you know, Carl wakes up, his account's deleted. | ||
| All his money is gone. | ||
| So what ends up happening is we see alternatives emerge saying, we're going to create centralized subscription models just like Patreon, but with our own unique version of it. | ||
| And it's the exact same problem. | ||
| That's why I'm not a fan of it. | ||
| Michael Malice, Dave sold you out, dude. | ||
| I hope that you got paid for this too, Mike. | ||
| I hope that all the people on Locals got a percentage of this buyout because it's your data that was sold. | ||
| Oh, Ian, you get pissed. | ||
| This is why we're building decentralized technology, where you can own your own data and host your own stuff. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I mean, I've always been skeptical, even of the alternatives, because there have been alternative social media platforms that came and went, sold their viewers, deleted their content, and then just rebranded and started new again. | ||
| I'm like, wait, wait, hold on. | ||
| What about my old content that I uploaded there? | ||
| Like, oh, it's gone. | ||
| I'm like, You know, there's a lot of, you know, pump and dump cryptocurrencies also out there. | ||
| There's a lot of bad things. | ||
| That's why I always prioritized building my own platform, my own email list. | ||
| That's why I have LukeOnSensor.com, you have TimCast.com. | ||
| And I think this is the way that it's going to go, decentralized. | ||
| And I think if you ever put your hope in a centralized system or somebody else to take care of something for you, I think there's a bigger chance you're always going to be let down. | ||
| I want to put Substack out of business. | ||
| I want to put Locals out of business. | ||
| I want to put Patreon out of business. | ||
| I want to put all of these subscription services out of business. | ||
| Now that is just me being kind of hyperbolic, but the point I'm making is, you know, for one, Ian spearheading with many other people the ON Foundation's work, which is creating decentralized open source versions of these tools, which means it's not just that you'll own your data. | ||
| You'll own the domain. | ||
| You'll own the server space. | ||
| It'll be yours, and you can set it up, or you can join, like, a node where someone's got centralized server space, and then you can, you know, piggyback on it. | ||
| The issue I have here is that the solution to the problems we faced, even by someone like Dave Rubin, has been to recreate the same system, which creates the same vulnerabilities and the same problems. | ||
| Now, I don't know if I would go as far as you to say that they were sold out, because I don't know how this negatively impacts someone like Michael Malice. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| I am open to following this. | ||
| I'm really going to in the next coming weeks, because I want to know all the terms of the contract that are going to be as much as possibly publicly available, because maybe the people are going to make out like bandits on this as well as Dave. | ||
| But Dave, I had a lot of faith in you, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| I thought you were going to hold on to Locals for the next 20 or 30 years and really do this, at least try and do it right. | ||
| This is devastating to me. | ||
| So one thing I think you can consider is, um, and look, look, I know, uh, Dave, I know the guys at Rumble. | ||
| One thing you consider, you should consider is that... | ||
| When you sign up for a service like Patreon, Subscribestar, or Locals, you're locked in. | ||
| Whether intentionally or not. | ||
| It's not so much that they own the data, and they can claim you own the data, it's that if you build up, say, 3,000 paying subscribers on someone else's platform, and they're getting a cut of that, you can't leave. | ||
| They own you forever. | ||
| Now you can beg your subscribers and your followers to be like, guys, I'm going to be moving to a new platform. | ||
| Please subscribe there. | ||
| But I saw what happened with Patreon. | ||
| When Patreon nuked Carl Benjamin and a bunch of his fans started quitting and canceling subscriptions, it hit everybody. | ||
| So I went from having, I think we had a few thousand people donating, And then when everyone's like, sorry, Tim, I can't support Patreon, I said, I set up Subscribestar, an alternate platform. | ||
| You can support me there. | ||
| And the attrition was massive. | ||
| People did not move over. | ||
| So when I saw that, I said, centralizing people's subscriber base onto someone else's platform will always be negative towards these individuals. | ||
| And what we need is a decentralized, easy-to-install package that someone can make their own version. | ||
| At TimCast.com, the first thing we did was we hired a guy to make a very simple website. | ||
| Cost us a decent amount of money. | ||
| And then we started posting members-only content as if it was any other private subscription service. | ||
| The amount of money that we would have spent if we went with any of these platforms, be it Patreon, Locals, Subscribestore, or otherwise, it was 70% higher. | ||
| I'll put it that way. | ||
| When I saw how much they charge people to use their platforms, I was just like, they are extracting value from people. | ||
| Like locals, they're taking what, like 8-20% of your monthly income? | ||
| They take some percent of your monthly income, and now that's going to rumble. | ||
| And the value of them taking a large percent of the income is the network effect of locals. | ||
| So if you leave locals, you lose that network effect. | ||
| One of the things I think, you know, could be considered as well is that Rumble recently hired a bunch of video creators and personalities to make content for them. | ||
| I wonder who they're gonna sell their company to. | ||
| With the acquisition of locals, theoretically the integration would undercut any of their creators for making similar deals. | ||
| And now Google can buy Rumble! | ||
| And now you're gonna make out like a bandit, Chris Pavlovsky! | ||
| Good job! | ||
| I know, Chris! | ||
| I don't think this is ultimately a bad thing. | ||
| I just don't like the idea of centralizing people's incomes or anything like that. | ||
| Corporate consolidation is not inherently bad. | ||
| It's just super dangerous for liberty. | ||
| We use Rumble. | ||
| I think Rumble's great. | ||
| It's fast. | ||
| It's cheap. | ||
| It's effective. | ||
| There's no censorship. | ||
| My bigger concern is people's income being centralized and then sold around, right? | ||
| So here's what you got to understand. | ||
| And again, with all due respect to today, I said congratulations because I think he did great work and alternative media growing bigger and more powerful is a good thing. | ||
| My answer is more like, my view of this is, You don't want to work for somebody. | ||
| And it's already bad enough, there's YouTube rules, there's Twitter rules, whatever. | ||
| Making your own space where you can control it is good. | ||
| But if the idea of locals was that you would control your own community, but that Dave could then sell your community to somebody else completely undercuts what, I guess, the story was supposed to be. | ||
| I don't want someone to be like, Hey, I'm running a service. | ||
| If you use it, I guarantee you X. And then I'll say, Oh, okay, great. | ||
| Like you said, Oh, Dave's going to own this forever. | ||
| I trust him. | ||
| And then he sells it. | ||
| And now you don't know who you're answering to. | ||
| Now you don't know what terms will change. | ||
| And they could. | ||
| I don't like the idea that your income, your subscribers, your fans can be sold to someone else. | ||
| That to me is crazy. | ||
| I'm still waiting for all the details to come out of this. | ||
| And they should be coming out. | ||
| If they don't, that's when people should be worried. | ||
| But let's see exactly what the deal was. | ||
| Let's see what the contracts are going to be. | ||
| Let's see how they're going to change. | ||
| Let's see the terms. | ||
| It's going to be interesting to see how this went down. | ||
| I think it's a good thing. | ||
| Look, I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but I think being critical is fair because I've been critical of decentralized subscription services from the beginning, regardless of who owns it. | ||
| In a lot of ways, Google buying YouTube was fantastic for creators because they were able to subsidize and create the partner program and start paying people. | ||
| YouTube wasn't able to do that when it was Chad Hurley. | ||
| But the downside then is Google's corporate censorship model took over. | ||
| The fear would be if, you know, Rumble sold, which I don't think it will, though. | ||
| Well, no one ever thinks it's gonna happen. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But it's totally legally allowed to. | ||
| I did not think locals would sell. | ||
| I did not! | ||
| Yeah, to anybody. | ||
| And then they do, but I'm not too worried about this. | ||
| I think ultimately, look, Rumble I think is fantastic, and I think them gaining more power in this space to help push back against the censorship and the big tech oligarchy, it's a good thing. | ||
| It's a good thing. | ||
| I'll just put it this way. | ||
| I don't- I've talked to people about locals, and I'm like, I think it's fantastic that Dave was like, Patreon-censor-censorious and bad, so we need our own space, and he made it, and then other people used it. | ||
| I just wish people like Michael Malice, for instance, decided to write a check for a grand to just make his own version of it, and not give away 10% of his revenue. | ||
| I just don't understand this. | ||
| This is what- this is what drives me insane, is that Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Malice, you know, who- uh, other people who are using locals, and- and again, no disrespect to locals, but just in terms of these people, You go online, you say WebDev, they'll say, we can make you this exact thing for a thousand bucks, we'll have it done in overnight. | ||
| Finger snap. | ||
| Nah, I just don't get it. | ||
| But I guess people have said they want the network, that it's like, you're on this platform, other people are on it. | ||
| I just wish people were more freedom-oriented, I guess, and took the responsibility upon their shoulders and protected their assets and had more control. | ||
| Maybe that's just me, maybe I'm too arrogant and I refuse to, like, give up, you know, And anything that I'm doing to anybody else for any reason. | ||
| I had my subscription service for seven years. | ||
| So I believe in that idea as well. | ||
| Decentralization is the idea that I think we should be promoting, but we could promote it by giving, by being examples of it rather than just following the herd and the flock. | ||
| I just, I just don't understand it. | ||
| Guys, I'm just going to say one more time. | ||
| If most of these services have a 10% fee, that means if you have 100 patrons and they're each giving you $10, you're getting $1,000 a month, you're giving $100 per month to that company. | ||
| Now that can make sense if you're not expecting to have a large following. | ||
| But let's say you have 1,000 people giving you money. | ||
| Now you have, you know, $10 per person. | ||
| You're getting $10,000. | ||
| You're giving $1,000 per month to these platforms. | ||
| For what? | ||
| For a one-time fee of $1,000? | ||
| A web dev can make you a simplified version of this. | ||
| That's why I'm like, we need to make free and open source software that we can just give to people and they can get their domain. | ||
| 12 bucks, they can get some server space, 50 bucks, spend a one-time rate. | ||
| If they've got, you know, uh, I guess the problem is people are like, how do I even get to the point where I have a thousand bucks unless I use someone else's infrastructure? | ||
| And I'm like, save up, uh, save up money, do what you can, because then you hire a guy for a, for a, for a thousand bucks. | ||
| And maybe you can even get it cheaper if you've got a friend or, or you can learn how to do it yourself. | ||
| It is, it is plugins. | ||
| It is WordPress. | ||
| It is plugins. | ||
| It is simplified. | ||
| You can make it. | ||
| Server space is extremely expensive. | ||
| There's no perfect solution, which is why one hasn't been created yet, but know that if someone else has your data, they're gonna sell it. | ||
| And they may not, but think like that. | ||
| The amount of money that we would have given away, TimCast.com, if we went with any one of these platforms, We could have started six companies with the money we've saved. | ||
| Easily that's what's crazy to me. I know the cost of bandwidth. I know the cost of development and I look and I'm | ||
| just like How come we don't have someone going to these these | ||
| individuals like Michael malice for instance? | ||
| We're a huge fan of being like, hey Michael, here's a guy, pay him one time, he'll make the site for you, and you don't have to give anyone money ever again. | ||
| It's all yours. | ||
| Don't give it away. | ||
| I just don't understand that. | ||
| I just don't get it. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Look, look. | ||
| That's just me. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I see something and I don't understand why people are just giving things away. | ||
| Instead of trying to build up something that is secure and unbannable. | ||
| But hopefully, I'll put it this way before we go to Super Chats. | ||
| What we're working on should, should put these companies out of business. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| I don't care their political ideology. | ||
| I'm not, not necessarily because some people won't want to buy a server space and install a package, but we're going to make it so that instead of having to worry about the thousand bucks to hire the web dev, all that work's going to be done. | ||
| And you're going to just click a link and it's going to say, drag and drop this into your, onto your, into your server file. | ||
| Here's how you do it. | ||
| And then boom, you have a subscription service website done. | ||
| And here's all the other people using the service, and then you can pick who you want to see, you can whitelist and blacklist corporations, it's gonna be great. | ||
| Free. | ||
| Yeah, it's all free. | ||
| Free. | ||
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| And that means the only costs you will have is the credit card exchange rate, which is like... And server costs, which can be insane. | ||
| So that's a big part of this, is server costs. | ||
| Figuring out how to mesh network servers, or use library, or have it local... It'll always be cheaper than what you'd give to a private company that's seeking to profit off of your subscriber base. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And especially as it scales up. | ||
| They do a lot of the work for you. | ||
| That's what makes those companies look nice. | ||
| But that's what we're doing. | ||
| We're doing the work for you. | ||
| But we also do have torrent-based video hosting. | ||
| And there are other platforms that can do extremely low cost. | ||
| I mean, interestingly, Rumble is one of them. | ||
| They do very low cost hosting. | ||
| And so at a certain point, You don't need these services to function like this. | ||
| It's like WordPress plugins, man. | ||
| I'm not even kidding how ridiculously easy it is to set up. | ||
| You get a WordPress, you download subscriber plugin, double-click it, and you're done. | ||
| We're just simplifying it, making it as easy as possible, like one click and the thing's all set to go, but it already is easy! | ||
| That's just me, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look, I look at the culture war, I look at so many of these personalities who are making tons of money, and I'm like... | ||
| Why don't they have 10 more shows? | ||
| The Young Turks have a network where they've got a dozen shows. | ||
| They make money, and they dish it out to all these people. | ||
| Then they get investors, and they dish it out to all these people. | ||
| They build more shows. | ||
| They do more. | ||
| And I'm like, why aren't we doing that? | ||
| Well, we're doing that, quite literally, with the Tales from the Inverted World, with the vlog, with several other shows that we're working on, a pop culture show we're working on. | ||
| And then I just look at the right and the moderates and the independents, and I'm like, they don't do this. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| Even Peter Thiel, right? | ||
| He goes after Gawker. | ||
| He complains about fake news. | ||
| He funds Rumble. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| But where's his effort? | ||
| Joe Rogan complains about CNN lying. | ||
| Joe's massively wealthy. | ||
| He could take a million bucks and be like, have at it. | ||
| They just don't do it. | ||
| But you know what, whatever, we'll do it. | ||
| And then we'll see where everyone else ends up, and now we'll go to Super Chats, because, you know, rant over. | ||
| But I do want to stress again, any alternative competition to Silicon Valley and their censorship is a good thing. | ||
| If at the end of the day, the battle we have is, Locals is not going to ban you and Rumble won't ban you, hopefully that's enough to attract more people and displace the censorious nature of Silicon Valley. | ||
| It's not, because Rumble can ban you at any time. | ||
| I'm sure it says that in their Terms of Service. | ||
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They do. | |
| They have community guidelines. | ||
| Trust no centralized service to maintain your life for you. | ||
| That is your job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think people saw Facebook going where Facebook went. | ||
| In the early days, people probably were just like, oh, this is cool. | ||
| It's like a simple service. | ||
| And now it's like they track everything about you. | ||
| They know when you poop. | ||
| They're building a metaverse. | ||
| They bought Instagram. | ||
| My God. | ||
|
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All right, all right. | |
| Well, go to Super Chats. | ||
| If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, and go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're going to have a members-only segment coming up at around 11 or so p.m. | ||
| You don't want to miss it. | ||
| And we'll talk a bit about Loudoun County and how awful, you know, all that stuff is. | ||
| Alright, we got Hairball. | ||
| I'm not religious, but I'm praying Kyle gets a fair trial. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| I agree. | ||
| A fair trial. | ||
| It doesn't have to be one-sided. | ||
| I don't have to get what I want. | ||
| I just want it to be fair, right? | ||
| Sounds good. | ||
| Alright, Scove says... | ||
| Minnesota National Guard here. | ||
| Phase 1 of mandatory VACs has begun. | ||
| Phase 2 will be the UCMJ portion, but it's not finalized yet. | ||
| Currently, 15% have refused in my unit and will be flagged, barring them from re-enlisting. | ||
| They've already begun UCMJ paperwork. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow, crazy. | ||
| All right, let's see. | ||
| Fearless Soldier says, it was awesome meeting all of you at the event. | ||
| Keep fighting the good fight and keep up the momentum. | ||
| You guys have a lot of people that care about you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| All right. | ||
| Evil Zombie Hamster says, Tim, you saying you've been on sets last night reminded me of a question I've had for a while now. | ||
| Did you do a small cameo in Detective Pikachu just after 30 minutes into the movie pushing Bill Nighy off screen? | ||
| It really looks like you. | ||
| The answer is no, I didn't. | ||
| That's a weird question. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| I am, however, in two episodes of A Thousand Ways to Die. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| That's right. | ||
| You didn't die. | ||
| No, I was Sk8erGuy. | ||
| My friend was a production assistant and their Sk8erGuy quit. | ||
| Like, didn't show up. | ||
| So she called me and she was like, dude, we need Sk8erGuy for this episode. | ||
| Can you come? | ||
| And I was like, I guess. | ||
| And she was like, we'll pay you 50 bucks. | ||
| And I was like, ooh, and it cost me 50 bucks to get there because I had to take a cab because it was a last minute thing. | ||
| So I break even basically. | ||
| And I got to be on this show. | ||
| So you're IMDB Sk8erGuy? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I was accused, because the show premiered after Occupy Wall Street, I was accused of trying to use Occupy Wall Street fame to get to become an actor or something. | ||
| And then I had someone wrote an article accusing me that saying that I moved to Los Angeles to become an actor, which is like the most absurd lie ever because I'm a skateboarder and I moved to LA because the skateboarding is good. | ||
| And mostly just because it's California. | ||
| You know you made it when there's people accusing you of being a crisis actor. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| All right, let's see what we got. | ||
| What's we got? | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Cynosexual says, tell Ian to do research into chemical ice nucleation for weather modification. | ||
|
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Whoa. | |
| Wow. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Kyle Miller says, anyone want to bet that the media is going to cover the Rittenhouse case and Alec Baldwin longer than the fall of Afghanistan? | ||
| Oh, you bet. | ||
| I mean, but let's, let's be real. | ||
| The Rittenhouse trial is going to be for, I think, two weeks. | ||
|
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I think so. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to have two weeks every day of some video, just like with the Chauvin trial. | ||
| I think that, that they got the catharsis out with the Chauvin trial. | ||
| I'm not getting, I'm not feeling that fervence and bloodlust that was there. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| They'll ratchet up when it needs to be ratcheted up. | ||
| It is getting cold, though. | ||
| And people don't like riding in the winter. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's inconvenient. | ||
| It's really funny that rioters are deeply influenced by the weather. | ||
| If it rains, it won't riot. | ||
| Crime is influenced by the weather. | ||
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Right. | |
| But crime I get, right? | ||
| Someone's like, I'm not going to go outside and rob somebody because I'll get wet. | ||
| Whereas someone's like, a black man was murdered by the police. | ||
| I could protest injustice, but it is pretty cold out, so I'll stay home. | ||
| No, it's when crime rises in the summer systematically every single year. | ||
| Nobody has a good explanation why. | ||
| There's interesting research that looks at fluctuations in prison violence in relation to when the AC is working and not. | ||
| And when the AC goes out, there's more prison violence. | ||
| So a lot of it just comes down to people are not happy when it's hot out. | ||
| I mean, I do think a lot of last year's writing just came down to people had been stuck inside for three months and this was a socially approved way to go outside and act out all of their pent-up aggression. | ||
| I'm sure there's less of that now, but they've had the catharsis once. | ||
| Paul Thonkum says a prop gun is a fake gun with no firing pin and the trigger is just spring-loaded to act like a real gun. | ||
| They keep saying a prop gun because they don't want you to realize that Alec Baldwin pointed a real gun with a real bullet at a woman and killed her. | ||
| That he doesn't believe people should have to defend themselves. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The jaded Kriegsman says, On this day in 2001, the Patriot Act was signed, eroding our freedoms and emboldening federal authoritarianism. | ||
| Restore the 10th. | ||
| Restore our rights. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| 10th Amendment? | ||
| Heck yes. | ||
| Simone9937 says, I just began listening to a book on a Kentucky county during the first civil war. | ||
| I wish I could say I had never heard the term insurrection used that much. | ||
|
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Huh. | |
| So we had Shane Cashman, who's writing for Tales from the Inverted World, and I have, I am so excited. | ||
| So the first arc, I guess we're not really doing seasons or whatever, but the first season is basically a collection of stories, essays from him. | ||
| Like, you know, he met a guy and there's a cold case and his experience as a kid. | ||
| Cause we kind of wanted to like introduce him and like what his, his angle is. | ||
| Cause, cause we're skeptical, right? | ||
| The next season, Ghosts of the Confederacy. | ||
| He went down to Georgia. | ||
| He's got the story of Sherman's march to the sea and the story of the people who were there and how it affected their families. | ||
| Ghost stories, UFOs, murder mysteries, conspiracies. | ||
| It's gonna be so rad. | ||
| Yeah, just introducing, like, when you read history books about Sherman's march to the sea, I think, you know, based on what I was hearing, the people down there have a very, very gruesome telling of what it was like compared to the watered-down version of scorched earth. | ||
| He burned the South to the ground. | ||
| Yeah, it was effective. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But that but like, man. | ||
| Yeah, he was telling me that people did not like hearing the word Sherman down there. | ||
| Because it was like, he burned to the ground, but you know, destroying people's homes, civilians, non combatants. | ||
| There's a lot of really dark stuff there, man. | ||
| That was that wasn't the first iteration of Scorched Earth, was it? | ||
| No, it was not. | ||
| I think Scorched Earth goes way back to ancient times. | ||
| It's a tactic to retreat. | ||
| You can burn behind you. | ||
| And if you think you can't defeat the incoming enemy, you can burn your frontier and all the cities and lands and retreat into your inner country. | ||
| Kind of starve them, just like Russia did with Germany. | ||
| USSR, excuse me. | ||
| Um, I don't know what this says, but I'm CIA says, hello, Luke. | ||
| I'm not Polish, but war is Zawo. | ||
| Walsh. | ||
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What does that mean? | |
| I have no idea what you just said. | ||
|
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I just tried to scramble words together, just like you did. | |
| Wars Zawo. | ||
| Walkers. | ||
| You, you should learn Polish. | ||
| You make strong assumptions about what there's consonants, how there's consonants mapped. | ||
| What's W A L C Z. | ||
| W-A-U-C. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Luke can't do it this way, remember? | ||
| Well, so Luke doesn't speak Polish. | ||
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Oh, no, he can't, like, do the... Luke can't do the letters that way. | |
| You have to see them. | ||
| I'm kind of the same way. | ||
| Yeah, I gotta see them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm the same way. | ||
|
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All right, let's see. | |
| Bill Hughes says, if Rittenhouse loses, there will be riots. | ||
| If he wins, there will be riots. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And Matthew DeOliveira just says, why not? | ||
| But I don't know what that's a reference to, so... I don't know, but thank you. | ||
| Timey says, you can tell that it's people who know nothing about guns defending Alec. | ||
| The first thing told in our LTC class is that you're responsible for everything that comes out of the end of a firearm you're holding. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing though that the people who want crazy gun control don't believe in responsibility. | ||
| But they're related, right? It's that you can't imagine owning—a firearm's a scary thing. It's | ||
| like, you know, you hold a gun for the first time, you're like, wow, I could kill somebody with this. | ||
| And if you're the sort of person who sees that and is like, well, nobody—I understand the impulse to | ||
| say nobody should have that. I think it's wrong. I think it's, you know, ultimately a futile impulse | ||
| in America. But I understand that impulse in terms of just like that sort of passivity. | ||
| I never thought when I got into a car, man, I could kill somebody with this. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I think that all the time, getting into a car. | ||
| The gun is like very, very easy to create a lot of damage. | ||
| Like a six year old can do it, which is why it's different than most weapons. | ||
| Pretty much every other weapon. | ||
| I feel like cars can do more damage than a lot of guns. | ||
| But you need to be big and have gas in the tank and have a key. | ||
| There are about as many vehicular deaths in the United States per year as gun homicides and gun suicides. | ||
| Cars are dangerous. | ||
| Cars are really dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, they're big. | ||
| Lydia just sent me it. | ||
| It means Warsaw Walczy, which means Warsaw's fight. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Probably you're showing the Warsaw Uprising fighting against, of course, the Nazis. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| William Gabriel says, what sword is on the wall behind Tim? | ||
| I got this from a mall. | ||
| It's a mall sword. | ||
|
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Oh, cool. | |
| And it says something like seven souls sword or something like that. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| It's just, it's like a prop. | ||
| It's just a sword from a mall. | ||
| Mythical mall sword. | ||
| And we also have, you can't see us off camera, but we have the Master Sword hung up as well. | ||
| Also not a real sword. | ||
| It's from The Legend of Zelda. | ||
| And we were thinking about getting a whetstone and actually making... We'd have to redo the hilt. | ||
| It's plastic. | ||
| And make like a real... I'm pretty sure someone's probably already done that. | ||
| I'm old-fashioned. | ||
| I just have machetes. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Yeah, I've got that cooking knife. | ||
| Luke's gotta go bushwhacking. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Clearing the brush to go down the path into the forest. | ||
| Alright, let's see what we got. | ||
| Oh, let's see. | ||
| Jagger Tree says, misfire like a hang fire is what a bullet does, not a gun, which means it didn't burn the powder properly. | ||
| Guns can malfunction. | ||
| AB's gun worked fine. | ||
| Alec Baldwin's. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He pulled the trigger and a bullet came out. | ||
| Oh, that. | ||
| So he's saying that a gun cannot misfire. | ||
| The bullet misfires. | ||
| People were saying that the crew was, were shooting at beer cans, the guns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they had live bullets just mixed in with all the blanks. | ||
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Bad plan. | |
| Well, Alec Baldwin's running the show, isn't he? | ||
| He was one of the executive producers, I think. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Poor Randall says, Blaming policing as an institution is like blaming guns for violence. | ||
| Police are but a tool. | ||
| It can be wielded for good or bad. | ||
| And in most cases, the police are used for good. | ||
| The problem lies in the culture. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Andrew Sutton says, Someone should buy a racehorse and call it Brandon. | ||
| I get the feeling that people would cheer for it. | ||
| You've got to call it. | ||
| Let's go, Brandon. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Leif Hagen says, we need not worry when Kamala becomes president. | ||
| When she does, if she follows down the same route of unconstitutional edict, we will impeach her too. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| Normies Get Out says, please don't forget that Black Rifle Coffee bent the knee and refused to stand with Kyle Rittenhouse when he was photographed wearing their t-shirt. | ||
| I don't know the full details about it, but what I was told was don't believe the New York Times when they smear Black Rifle Coffee because the New York Times is fake news. | ||
| I don't know the full details though, so I don't really know what to say. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Caleb South says, my eight-year-old daughter was listening to the news with me, and when she heard about the Fauci puppy torture, she said, so he's Corona de Vil. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| If you haven't seen Freedom Tunes' newest short, it's only 18 seconds long, but I once again provided the voice of Dr. Fauci, and you should check it out on Freedom Tunes on YouTube, because it's really funny. | ||
| It's very short, but it's funny. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| Let's see. | ||
| Jesus Trisp says, a bit of topic, but is it possible Biden was trying to go Super Saiyan during the town hall? | ||
| Someone please make this meme if it hasn't been done yet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When Biden was doing the Cornholio thing. | ||
| I'm sure he was. | ||
| Cause Goku, you know, he goes, ah, and then his hair spikes and turns gold and someone should make the Super Saiyan meme of Joe Biden. | ||
| I'm sure it's been done. | ||
| I would like to see it, but, um, I'm pretty sure he just has dementia and that's what the fist clenching was. | ||
| Cause you know, he has dementia. | ||
| I think Alec Baldwin was not an executive producer, he was just a regular producer, but it's kind of vague what that means. | ||
| So, uh, it is vague. | ||
| Executive producer usually is just like, you're a financier or you're spearheading the project in terms of like, you have a bunch of money and you're like, hey, I want to do this. | ||
| Hey guys, make a movie. | ||
| And then they'll be like, cool. | ||
| And then I'll come and check it later. | ||
| Producers are substantially more active. | ||
| So when I was working on documentaries and stuff like that in shorts, the executive producers were like, the executives at the company, who would screen it after it was done and say, yeah, it's pretty good, okay, we'll roll with it. | ||
| And the producers were the ones who were on set all the time instructing the staff. | ||
| The producers were in charge of the entire production when I was working, when I was producing, like, uh... | ||
| Yeah, there were six producers underneath the four executive producers on that film. | ||
| was just hosting, they would be telling me what to do. | ||
| If I was producing and hosting, I'd be telling the camera person | ||
| what to do, where to go, what to film. | ||
| And so it, that's why I think Alec Baldwin was responsible. | ||
| Executive producers typically aren't involved that much, if at all. | ||
| So it's just, you know, people get executive producer credits | ||
| all the time. | ||
| It doesn't mean much. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There were six producers underneath the four executive producers on that film. | ||
| Baldwin was one of the six producers. | ||
| Boris 89 says I'm an experienced Hollywood armorer. | ||
| So I can confidently tell you that the lion's share of the blame goes to the | ||
| armor of that, uh, uh, lion's share of the blame goes to the armor of that said | ||
| way too much to explain in a super chat message me, and I'll explain why I love | ||
| It goes to the armorer you're saying? | ||
| Of the set? | ||
| That's wrong. | ||
| Wrong, wrong, wrong. | ||
| Hollywood is full of a bunch of psychotic individuals who are saying, The responsibility isn't the person who's wielding a gun and pulling the trigger. | ||
| It's all three. | ||
| When I hand someone an airsoft rifle, I do the exact same things. | ||
| I don't care if it's got an orange tip on it. | ||
| I'll pull out the magazine. | ||
| I'll pull the hammer back and say, this is airsoft. | ||
| Look. | ||
| And I'll show them that it's not a real gun. | ||
| I'll show them the cartridge. | ||
| And I'll say, here's the airsoft. | ||
| There is airsoft. | ||
| There are pellets in this. | ||
| We only use biodegradable stuff, by the way. | ||
| We don't want the plastic garbage. | ||
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Good. | |
| I'm happy. | ||
| And that's just airsoft. | ||
| Because people... | ||
| I don't care if it... We have replicas. | ||
| They're treated the exact same way. | ||
| This is what people need to understand. | ||
| If you're holding something that looks like a gun, and you treat it like, it's no big deal, it's not loaded, and you raise it up and point it at someone, guess what? | ||
| They will shoot you. | ||
| So maybe in Hollywood, they're like... I gotta tell you, I cannot imagine being on a Hollywood set where someone thinks they can draw a replica gun on someone else with no consequences. | ||
| That is insane! | ||
| Two people. | ||
| He shot her and the director. | ||
| The bullet went through her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you seen the video of the guy in the shooting range? | ||
| And he's with his friends, and then he has the gun, and he loads it, and then he points it at his friend, and the instructor just grabs his arm, puts him in a lock, and pins him down? | ||
| Good. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| Good! | ||
| Or when Will Smith smacks the gun down? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| That's what should be done. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This idea that you can wield a live firearm with no responsibility is fake news, and if you work in Hollywood and you believe that, don't be surprised when Alec Baldwin kills another person. | ||
| Because if this guy goes on to work in Hollywood where he's like, no, no, no, everybody, it's fine, it was the armorer's fault, let's get a new armorer in the policy stands, No. | ||
| I tell you this, they're gonna be like, oh, maybe we shouldn't do this. | ||
| Maybe we shouldn't point weapons at each other, and maybe we should manually check. | ||
| The armorer's fault. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Tell that to a judge. | ||
| Your honor, the weapon was handed to me. | ||
| I was told that it was not an active weapon, and then I was told to point it at the camera and pull the trigger because I was supposed to. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| All right, Tony Gillard says Yu-Gi-Oh! | ||
| tournaments after a year or a year or so of being canceled are finally coming back, and of course there's vaccine mandates and mask mandates. | ||
| Well, you can always not play Yu-Gi-Oh! | ||
| Find a different hobby. | ||
| Play Magic the Gathering, which is still not better. | ||
| Probably not better. | ||
| As a brief aside, I noticed a Walmart did go public in 1970. | ||
| That came up earlier. | ||
| Do people still play Yu-Gi-Oh? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's big. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never played it. | ||
| Did you play it? | ||
| When I was like 10? | ||
| Did you play Magic? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, Magic's way better anyway. | ||
| Yu-Gi-Oh! | ||
| is a manga about Magic the Gathering, basically. | ||
| Because Magic the Gathering was the first card game. | ||
| And so they're basically playing some version of it, and then they made it. | ||
| My favorite thing about Yu-Gi-Oh! | ||
| is that the show makes no sense. | ||
| Like, there's no rules to the card game. | ||
| It's just like, Yu-Gi-Oh!' 's like, I'll play Blue Eyes White Dragon! | ||
| And you're like, uh! | ||
| And there's like, you can literally just do whatever you want. | ||
| The game makes no sense. | ||
| Sounds interesting. | ||
| But they eventually made rules and changed them and then like, made a real game. | ||
| All right, Wrath of Paul says, Project Veritas has a video of a New Jersey governor consultant saying he will implement vaccine mandates after he wins the election. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He knows it's wildly unpopular and is planning on doing it anyway. | ||
| New Jersey friends vote him out. | ||
| Yeah, I would say vote him out, but if I actually thought it was possible, I think they'll blindly just vote him in and be like, yay. | ||
| And then what happens, they'll go, oh no, why is my life getting worse? | ||
| Yup. | ||
| Ignis Hydros says, hey Tim, any new shirts coming to the shop or is there too much competition in the room? | ||
| You know, we do need to get on some shirts. | ||
| We need to make some. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Nah, you guys are good. | ||
| I think your store's pretty great. | ||
| We'll make competing t-shirts and then Ian can wear the Timcast version. | ||
| I want this to be dealt with in a physical fight fashion. | ||
| I think that's the diplomatic way to deal with this problem. | ||
| I think we'll start making cheap knockoff versions of Luke's shirts. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, I tested positive for freedom. | ||
| We'll be like, I took a test and it said I liked freedom. | ||
| It doesn't make sense, but you know we're ripping him off. | ||
| You could have the domain, the second best political website, since of course my website is thebestpoliticalshirts.com. | ||
| I actually think we'll buy that one. | ||
| The second best political shirts dot com. | ||
| Someone's buying it right now. | ||
| I've given you too many good ideas, dammit. | ||
| I want to commission on that one. | ||
| We'll make the even better political shirts. | ||
| Or how about we make, like, better than Luke's. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Better than Luke's t-shirts dot com. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Alright, let's see. | ||
| Andrew Biko says the term film shot comes from chronophotographic gun invented by James Mary in 1882. | ||
| Please look it up. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Andre McGruder. | ||
| If the Republicans win the House in the midterms, a Republican replaces Nancy. | ||
| Get rid of the VP, we get a Republican president. | ||
| Hmm, interesting. | ||
| Impeach them, you mean? | ||
| All right, Dozerman says, I'd like to see this guy try his BS with Michael Malice. | ||
| I love Luke, but I feel Michael would light this guy up. | ||
| I think he's talking about you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm not trying to light anyone up. | ||
| I think it's important to have different voices and different opinions, and I think it's important to have these conversations. | ||
| I'm having to talk to Michael Malice. | ||
| But it's good to have these conversations, and I'm not seeing this as a combative thing. | ||
| I'm seeing this more of an exchange of ideas. | ||
| And I've been dying to talk about the deindustrialization with the rise of globalization and the rigged war on drugs being responsible for the rise of crime in the 1970s. | ||
| But that's another issue. | ||
| I'd like to talk about pharma being involved in the drug epidemic on the after show, maybe, if that comes up. | ||
|
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Yeah, dude, our guest is just shaking his head. | |
| The chrono photographic guns. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| This was 1882. | ||
| It was it looks like a rifle and it was the predecessor of the camera, the movie camera. | ||
| We got a super chat from a Viva Frey. | ||
| Viva, he says. | ||
| I'm obviously partial to Rumble and locals, but building your own dev, are you still dependent on AWS and the like? | ||
|
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Peace. | |
| And again, nice meeting you. | ||
| We'll do it again. | ||
| You can use whatever hosting service you want. | ||
| You can make your own server if you want. | ||
| That might be too complicated for people. | ||
| And we certainly can set up some, you know, hosting services. | ||
| It can be expensive, but I'll put it this way. | ||
| There's a reason why these platforms charge a percentage. | ||
| They're making money off you. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| They've done the work and they're cutting a profit. | ||
| I just think that if we can create a simple program for free, and then you take on the personal responsibility of maintaining your subscriber data, it can never be sold to outside corporations. | ||
| People's privacy will always be protected from Google or any other company that might want to buy or infiltrate or, you know, whatever. | ||
| And you'll save a lot of money. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| The percentage you give up to these companies is insane compared to the actual cost. | ||
| It's like an order of magnitude more. | ||
| But I think it would probably only cost for us like One to two percent, you know, to like maintain the system. | ||
| Right now we're using Rumble for members stuff. | ||
| What would the cost of that be if we were hosting it locally? | ||
| If we hosted our own videos? | ||
| Way more. | ||
| That's the challenge is someone can pay $10 a month and then watch one video a thousand times and cause a thousand times the cost to your server. | ||
| So you could build something in where like you get to watch it once for a subscription. | ||
| I'm not worried about that. | ||
| It's like an equation. | ||
| The more content we're producing on Members Only, the more money we lose. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So we have some Tales from the Inverted World Members Only conversations. | ||
| You were hanging out with Shane, right? | ||
| Yeah, we did a show on Monday. | ||
| So if someone pays 10 bucks and they get one video per, you know, Monday through Thursday, and then we add Friday, which we did, and now we're going to add Sunday nights, that means we're spending more money, but we're getting the same amount from the individual because we're increasing the value, you know, percentage for the user. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| But it's also why you'll see Netflix or Hulu be like, we're raising the cost because we have too much content and people are watching way more. | ||
| And so now we can't afford to cover the cost of bandwidth. | ||
| But either way, I think that's less relevant to the fact that 10% of the amount of money | ||
| you make as a creator is way too much. | ||
| Way too much. | ||
| It's an insane profit. | ||
| Let's put it this way. | ||
| Go to Graftreon. | ||
| Look at like, you want to go to Graftreon right now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Graftreon.com. | ||
| Go and look up the top creators and tell me who's the top creator. | ||
| How do you spell Graftreon with an F? | ||
| Graf and then T-R-E-O-N. | ||
| P-H? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Graf. | ||
| Graf. | ||
| Graftreon. | ||
| I want to tell a story while I'm doing this. | ||
| Can't type in a word. | ||
| So once upon a time, Ian couldn't. | ||
| True crime obsessed is number one. | ||
| Then we have Chapo trap. | ||
| How many, how many, how many? | ||
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46,705. | |
| How much money they make? | ||
| If it $10 a month minimum, that's $467,000 a month. | ||
| Oh, it doesn't have one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, so number two, Chapo trap house, 36,734 patrons, $162,000 a month. | ||
| It does not cost $16,000. | ||
| Is it $162,000 you said? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't cost $16,000 per month to run a member service. | ||
| They are giving away $16,000 per month for no reason. | ||
| For a one-time cost of a grand, you can have someone build out exactly what they get from Patreon. | ||
| Yeah, especially if you're hosting your stuff on Rumble. | ||
| You don't have to host your own data, that's the point. | ||
| It costs money to have private bandwidth. | ||
| So when we have Rumble, we gotta pay a lot of money for that. | ||
| It is expensive. | ||
| It is very expensive. | ||
| It is substantially less expensive than giving away 10%. | ||
| That's mind-blowing that Chapo's giving away $16,000 per month! | ||
| You could hire a web dev on a six-figure salary! | ||
| To work for you year round to develop and maintain the site for you and it's WordPress and plugins. | ||
| And you could pay less. | ||
| You could, you could hire a dev at eight grand a month and cut your costs in half. | ||
| I just don't understand it. | ||
| But I guess people, what they don't know, they don't, they don't know. | ||
| So hopefully we can change all that. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| All right, let's see. | ||
| Brian Knowles says, Ian, watch Dave Rubin's episode that aired today. | ||
| He publicly explains all of the terms and conditions of the acquisition. | ||
| He didn't get a payout. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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So you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta relax, see? | |
| I do have to relax. | ||
| So he sold the company, but he didn't get a payout. | ||
| Is that what I was just told? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, that's what they're saying. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I'll find out. | ||
| I'll look for it. | ||
| So what does that mean? | ||
| The Badu says, yo Ian bro, chill out. | ||
| Dave is still invested in Locals and the co-founder is still the CEO of Locals. | ||
| You don't know what you're talking about bro, look into it. | ||
| So what does that mean? | ||
| Does that mean that Rumble bought a portion of Dave's equity? | ||
| I mean, an acquisition requires some exchange. | ||
| Maybe Dave got stock in Rumble or something, or like private equity in Rumble or something like that | ||
| in exchange for it? | ||
| Yeah, I got to look into this more. | ||
| Yeah, my approach to the whole thing the whole time was create decentralized tech so you can never be banned again. | ||
| I don't see Rumble and Patreon as solving that problem, ultimately. | ||
| I still think it's good what they're doing, but I don't see it solving the problem. | ||
| Not in the long run. | ||
| In the long run it's going to be this. | ||
| You want to follow me? | ||
| I say follow me at, you know, tim at timserver.com. | ||
| And then I own the server. | ||
| No one can ban me. | ||
| When you open your website and look at your feed, you'll see tweets from me, kind of like RSS. | ||
| And no one can ban me. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Someone can say I don't want to see him and block me from their website, but can never ban me, can never take away my revenue, my subscribers. | ||
| You are invincible. | ||
| All right, we'll do one more Super Chat here. | ||
| We got Chad Michael Taylor. | ||
| He says, Tim, I am the manager of a comic and game store, MTG, Warhammer, etc. | ||
| We are fighting the culture war here. | ||
| Just started vlogging from the shop. | ||
| Cool, glad to hear it. | ||
| I think we're going to be opening a game shop on Freedomistan. | ||
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Yes. | |
| We gotta build a big building, and the problem is steel costs are through the roof, so it is very expensive, and we're having a hard time, because these companies are just... I call a company, I'm like, hey, I need a steel building, and they're like, okay, we'll call you back, and I'm like, and then they call me back, and they waste my time, and they ask me a bunch of questions, I'm like, guy, I need, you know, we're looking at like 75 by like 100 or something. | ||
| And I'm like, we got a lot of work to do before winter. | ||
| Can you do it? | ||
| And they're like, well, let me call you back. | ||
| And I'm like, click, dude. | ||
| It's frustrating. | ||
| Probably just need to hire a project manager to run the whole thing. | ||
| Matt Lucas says Dave got stock, is a salaried employee, his bro-in-law is CEO. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Well, we'll see how it plays out. | ||
| I think it's a good thing. | ||
| But we'll wrap it up there. | ||
| If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, go to TimCast.com, become a member. | ||
| Members-only segment coming up soon. | ||
| You can follow the show at TimCast IRL. | ||
| You can follow me personally everywhere at TimCast. | ||
| Charles, you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Thanks for having me on the show. | ||
| You can follow me on Twitter. | ||
| I'm at Charles F. Lehman. | ||
| L-E-H-M-A-N. | ||
| Yeah, it was a good time. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Right on, man. | ||
| And thanks for having me. | ||
| And seriously, thank you for sending me this important reminder of my people's history. | ||
| This was first used as a symbol for Polish resistance and the underground movement during World War II. | ||
| The communists, when they took over Poland after World War II, they made this illegal. | ||
| So it was a sign of resistance under the Solidarity Movement. | ||
| So sincerely appreciate it. | ||
| And if you guys want to send us stuff, make sure to address it to us. | ||
| And the address is on TimCast.com. | ||
| And this also reminds me that not all hope is lost. | ||
| No matter what the odds, you could always fight for what is right. | ||
| And that was also the theme of the video that I made on LukeUncensored.com today as well. | ||
| Hope to see some of you guys there. | ||
| One of your commenters is saying that I am trash or a trash can emoji, but on the other hand, another of your commenters said that I look like a 60s G.I. | ||
| Joe action figure, and that was awesome, so I'm considering this yet. | ||
| I'm going to walk away with a ladder. | ||
| It's a draw. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Thanks for coming, guys. | ||
| This was fantastic. | ||
| You can follow me at iancrossland.net. | ||
| Happy to be here. | ||
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See you later. | |
| And you guys may follow me on Twitter at Sour Patchlets. | ||
| We will see all of you over at TimCast.com for that member segment. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. |
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