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July 16, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Biden Admin Calls For Extreme Censorship Cross Platform w/Forrest Cooper
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tim pool
you The Biden admin just keeps saying the quiet part loud
Jen Psaki recently said that they were working with Facebook to flag misinformation, as if the government has the authority to determine what is true and what is false.
They don't.
Well, that's exactly what's happening.
Facebook is taking people down.
They've been censoring.
And this is basically the government admitting that they are using private actors to censor American speech.
And then she put her foot in her mouth again, or I guess actually took it out because they're saying the quiet part loud.
Jen Psaki came out and said that you should be banned from all platforms for misinformation if you're banned on one.
And this was such an alarming statement to come from the federal government, from the executive branch, that even leftists are going, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I mean, but a private company, but come on there.
Yeah, this is what we've all been warning about for a long time, but I think that too many people on the left were like, well, it's not negatively impacting me, so I'm gonna be fine with it, and now it's got to the point where the government is straight up like, if you say something bad, you should be purged from the internet completely!
And that's where we're at.
So we're going to talk about that.
We're going to chill.
We've got a lot of stuff to talk about, man, with government corruption.
We've got war issues to talk about with what's going on with South Africa and Cuba, of course.
But then we've also got the threat of Balkanization here in the U.S., so I actually did the math.
Yesterday we talked about the percentage of people in the U.S.
who wanted to balkanize, and I said it was over 35%.
I did the hard numbers because I mentioned that each region is not the same population.
I went through the populations, multiplied, divided, all that good stuff.
37.2% based on this poll of the United States wants it to balkanize.
That is more than a third.
That is substantial in my opinion.
So we gotta talk about what this means, and it's Friday, so we're usually chillin'.
So, of course, we are hanging out today with Forrest Cooper of Recoil Mag.
unidentified
Hey.
tim pool
Do you wanna introduce yourself?
forrest cooper
Yeah, so my name is Forrest Cooper.
As you said, I am with Recoil Magazine.
Here is an example of what we do.
tim pool
Guns!
forrest cooper
Yeah, gun stuff, right?
So we got Chris Chang on the cover.
Shoutout to Chris Chang.
If you're familiar with people like Maj Touré, you kind of know the people that we deal with.
So we are a gun lifestyle magazine.
And then I myself, background in military special operations, and now I am here and the editor of a team that I really enjoy.
tim pool
You've been on the ground a lot of these riots, too, haven't you?
forrest cooper
Yeah, well, I live in Minneapolis, so I think being on the ground is just... You live in the riots!
Obligatory, I guess?
Yeah, and don't worry, you know, in case you haven't known, they're still going on in Minneapolis.
They're just... no one wants to talk about it anymore because it's old news.
tim pool
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Or it's not good for...
You don't get anything out of it, I guess?
tim pool
We'll get into all that stuff.
We got Ian chillin'.
ian crossland
What's up, dawg?
Ian Crossland over here.
Happy to be here.
Glad you're here for us.
We did a little adventure earlier picking berries.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, you guys were picking berries.
tim pool
We're making wine wine.
ian crossland
Yeah, wine berry wine.
It's actually just called wine wine.
lydia smith
Like a very normal thing that people make.
Wine, wine, with wine berries.
ian crossland
Forrest went deep.
He went beyond the perimeter to get the real, where all the berries really were.
tim pool
And they're like juicy and plump.
Oh man.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I had to wash my hands for a solid minute.
And yes, of course, the ranger did go into the woods.
tim pool
To find berries.
forrest cooper
Yeah, you know, shout out to Mountain Faze.
I don't want to starve to death.
unidentified
Right on.
lydia smith
Good policy.
I am also here in the corner.
I got my little cameo earlier.
And I'm excited for tonight's conversation.
Always love having Forrest here.
I know we look like siblings.
You don't need to say it.
It's true.
We'll see how the conversation goes tonight.
tim pool
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And my friends, this story is literally about how the federal government is saying that, for one, they're going to be colluding, or they are colluding with big tech.
We've got statements from Facebook that apparently they were communicating with the Biden administration.
And now we have them saying, oh, you should be banned from every platform if you're banned from one.
That's why it's important you share this video.
But let's jump into this first story and talk about the apocalypse.
How about that?
We got Fox News.
Twitter explodes after Psaki urges big tech to unite on bans for misinformation spreaders.
This is White House-directed collusion.
Remarking on steps social media outlets could take for public health, she advised they, quote, create robust enforcement strategies that bridge their properties and provide transparency about rules.
You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others if you're providing misinformation.
Here's what's important.
Do you guys know what misinformation means?
Uh, no?
There's disinformation, you'll hear him say it, and there's misinformation.
Disinformation, they define as intentionally misleading people.
It's disinfo.
You are going to them and telling them wrong things you know are wrong to screw with them.
Misinformation is when you're just wrong.
So you could be like, um, that dog is called a chihuahua when it's actually a dachshund.
And then they're gonna be like, that's misinformation.
I'm not going to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.
I think she genuinely means, if you go on social media and say something that is incorrect, you should be purged from every platform.
That's on top of the fact that we're learning now, they're literally colluding.
That Jen Psaki said, I think I have this story right here.
Check this out.
Newsweek.
Biden administration's admission they're flagging content to Facebook sparks fear.
Now, there's a mistake here in the title.
Jen Psaki did not say we are flagging content to Facebook.
She said for Facebook.
This is the federal government instructing private actors to violate the rights of individuals.
As I explained yesterday, it's really simple.
The federal government can't hire a private security company to go and shut down a church because that's the government shutting down the church.
This is where we're at.
It's dark days, man.
ian crossland
I'm afraid of what the definition of misinformation will be tomorrow.
forrest cooper
Whatever I don't want you to say?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Clearly, if they're flagging misinformation, they're asserting that they're the arbiters of truth.
ian crossland
This has been the freakiest thing I've seen since Obama re-signed the NDAA, I think.
tim pool
Well, so they do the NDA every year.
But since it was publicly acknowledged that Obama was signing a provision that would allow the U.S.
to effectively rendition anyone anywhere for any reason indefinitely.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You'd be sleeping in your bed and it'll be like a black bag.
ian crossland
I'm wondering too, if you provide misinformation and forget your mom's middle name or something on Facebook, does that mean you're going to get banned off of like GoDaddy too?
So like all, not just social media, but every platform everywhere.
Like what does that even mean?
MailChimp, your telephone number, your bank account.
forrest cooper
You'll effectively get disappeared.
tim pool
Digital disappearing.
forrest cooper
No, just, well, I mean, how, how different is it from actually disappearing somebody when you have no access to resources anymore?
tim pool
I gotta be honest though, this actually, it's scary, it's brazen, but I think it's actually kind of a good thing.
You know why?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's so overt and insane, it can't work.
I mean, we have crypto technology, man.
So she's like, we'll ban you from everything.
If you start doing that, if you start purging everyone from every platform for your misinformation, then all you're gonna do is create market competition and decentralize networks.
Because look, if they, I mean, they would have to take a light touch.
But if they ban people, like especially if they ban a show like ours and then purged all of us from social media because like, well, you know, Tim said misinformation.
They're all on the show and got rid of everybody.
We're not going to cease to exist.
That's why we made TimCast.com.
So I guess the web hosts will then come after us.
Then we'll do what Gab did.
We'll make our own server.
We'll make our own browser.
We'll make our own network systems.
lydia smith
Right.
So you were, sorry, I don't mean to interrupt.
I was listening to Dave Smith earlier today on Part of the Problem.
Shout out to Dave.
We love Dave over here.
And he was talking about the way she is being too over.
And he talks about how sometimes they'll overreach.
And Tim calls this, Scott Adams calls this selling past the point.
They're like over asking, the big ask, whatever it is.
And if they do it too much, people start to notice and they freak out.
Right.
So they'll back it up, back it up, back it up.
tim pool
A little bit.
lydia smith
I think.
Yeah, exactly.
And Jill Biden was talking about how Jen Psaki is really messing this up because she's about to leave, right?
She's like, you know, fleeing the sinking ship or whatever.
She's retiring.
And I think she's she's kind of messing it up for them because she is overselling it.
And now they're going to have to walk it back.
So I think we can expect to see that.
tim pool
What they do is they'll say, I want 10.
OK, fine.
Seven.
You know, you got a can of Coke worth a dollar.
And it's the big ask.
It's what Trump did.
forrest cooper
Okay, yeah, let's use another example that I have an intimate relationship with.
It's firearms.
Okay, we want to ban AR-15s.
No.
Why won't you compromise?
Okay, we'll limit you to 10 round magazines.
Well, that seems like an okay compromise.
unidentified
And that's why when you see this whole... It's Republicans in a nutshell, dude.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, it's exactly the same thing.
Like, why do you think so many people are frustrated with the state of the defense of the Second Amendment right now?
It's because, when did we win last?
But there's a good side to this.
We're winning the culture.
ian crossland
That's for sure.
The Second Amendment people?
forrest cooper
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
That's like the top of the town right now.
forrest cooper
Yeah, like, we are winning the culture.
The Second Amendment is winning.
I even wrote an article on it about a year ago.
Saying, like, the Second Amendment is alive and well because people are realizing that their access to firearms should not be restricted by the government.
tim pool
What's really amazing to me about this fight in particular with the Republicans is that in what way is it a compromise to accept 10% of the standard magazine capacity?
forrest cooper
Or you mean 30%?
tim pool
No, no, 10%.
forrest cooper
10% of the standard magazine?
I mean, the standard magazine could be a hundred-round drum.
Yeah, easy.
I mean, because who are you trying to appease?
You've got to make deals with good-faith actors.
tim pool
What I'm doing there is quite literally the point.
You say, well, 100 rounds is standard.
unidentified
Well, 10%?
tim pool
That's too low!
Okay, we'll do 50.
How's 50?
Because that's half of where we're at, right?
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
Then you just end up where it's like, well, I don't recognize your right to tell me that I can and cannot own things.
And then here's another good example of how that's turning out, too.
So what happens when the government decides, you know, we've already seen whether it's Dave Chipman.
Didn't bring that sticker up here.
That's great.
tim pool
I don't think we can show that.
No, we can't show that.
unidentified
Oops.
forrest cooper
But so, you know, you got elements of... It's of Waco, for those that are... Dave Chipman, this move in the ATF to ban braces.
Read the article, ATF brace ban explained, because the brace ban itself is convoluted.
And then also the kind of attack on home-built firearms or 80% firearms.
Two states, Hawaii and Nevada, have retroactively banned the ownership of those.
tim pool
Well, so I don't want to get too off topic, because this is fairly optimistic stuff, and I don't want people in the audience to feel too good about what's going on, so let's go back to, are we winning that same fight?
I'm joking, by the way.
But when it comes to the speech stuff, Jen Psaki's going over the top.
Like, that's why I said, I think this might be, like, imagine if the federal government came out and said, we're gonna ban literally Well, they actually did this.
They wanted to ban all semi-autos.
Remember that?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
That was the funniest thing when I was at the March for Our Lives and people were like, semi-automatic weapons should be banned.
And I was like, so you think like the weapon a police officer uses?
And they were like, oh no, not like a handgun.
I'm like, those are semi-auto.
So anyway, to sort of lump these together, cause we got the first and second amendments kind of sitting next to each other.
forrest cooper
They're, they're, they're necessarily tied to one another.
One without the other is impotent and the other without the one has no aim.
tim pool
Oh, I think the second amendment is the most important one though.
forrest cooper
Yeah, and the First Amendment doesn't matter if you don't have the second, and the second one has no direction if you don't have the first.
tim pool
Well, what do you mean by that?
forrest cooper
So, like, what's the point?
tim pool
Oh, instructing people and informing them.
forrest cooper
Yeah, speech is necessary.
Like, our ability to speak to one another, I would much rather have a conversation with you.
tim pool
That's a good point.
If you have no free, with no free speech, guns are banned instantly.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
Because what'll happen is, anybody who dares speak up and explains why the Second Amendment is so important, they'll get banned.
Then within a few years, people are like, why do we have guns anymore?
ian crossland
Or you'll have like marauding bands of warlords that give no crap about who says what and they just take control, all pure military.
forrest cooper
Yeah, and that's a fire that burns itself out really fast.
Listen to Jordan Peterson talk about chimpanzees.
If you're too brutal, it takes two chimpanzees to take out one brutal alpha.
Super chimp.
Yeah, super chimp, right?
lydia smith
You don't last.
forrest cooper
No, no, no.
But when we're talking about this information, it's easy.
It's on the nose and it's perfect timing.
If you do not... What happens when you have somebody like... Who's the kid from... David Hogg.
David Hogg, right?
David Hogg, who overtly says something like, I wear a mask so people don't think I'm a conservative.
Now he's the one making the motion.
He's the poster boy saying, oh no, that's misinformation.
David Hogg who's, like, if you listen to him talk about firearms, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
lydia smith
Of course, of course.
forrest cooper
And I don't mean, like, I don't mean to... I'm not gonna punch down, right?
Like, in some sense of the matter... Punch down?
tim pool
The dude's got a million followers and he's, like... He's high-profile, well-funded?
forrest cooper
Yeah, and isn't he in Harvard now?
tim pool
Oh yeah!
forrest cooper
Good for him.
But at the end of the day, if you listen to David Hogg, you don't know anything about what you're talking about.
And it's a tough thing to do, but I don't want him telling me what I know.
tim pool
Well, this is actually an interesting kind of like combined conversation.
We're talking about 1A and 2A.
And I got to speak from Vosch, okay?
So Vosch is a socialist.
He's a leftist.
We've had him on the show.
He responded to this story about Jen Psaki saying, this seems pretty effed.
He said, companies have a right to create and enforce TOS and the government has a right to legislate.
But the idea of the government informally pressuring tech companies into changing their TOS without legislation seems pretty scary.
I'm not sure what the solution to the mass spreading of disinformation is, but some solutions certainly seem more 1984 than others.
And then he made the joke, all my political opinions are formed by feeding tweets into an algorithm which rates them on a scale of 1776 to 1984.
Until I have a stronger opinion on this, my official position is that we can fix social media disinformation by simply banning everyone I don't like.
Now, what's funny is, he has a follow-up tweet, completely unrelated, of his Smith & Wesson .22 Victory, which he says came back after sending it off for repairs, looking very handsome in its new grip, in my honest opinion.
And I'm just like, alright, if we can agree that that was bad, and we can agree that the guns are good, alright, we agree.
We agree.
I wonder, I ultimately wonder when we talk about The potential for civil war, collapse, or balkanization.
If there really will be a major conflict, if the major conflict will be the left populist versus the right populist, because I kind of don't think it will be.
I think it'll be more establishment, machine, industrialist.
ian crossland
Yeah, we were talking earlier, me and Forrest in the kitchen downstairs, and I think it's going to be economic rather than military.
I mean, there might be a military behind the economic, but I think it'll be like a shattering into state currency or something.
And then Florida will be like, we're not accepting Arkansas coin if you Act like this, and the Fed's like, you have to accept Arkansas coin, and they're like, no.
tim pool
No, but I think the populists might end up avoiding each other to a certain degree.
The problem, though, is a lot of the people on the left who are actually particularly authoritarian, but I don't think that they're populists.
I think there are left populists.
There are many of them.
Unfortunately, they give too much power to the democratic establishment.
But I think if things actually reach, you know, if it hits the fan, I think most people who are populist or libertarian leaning are going to be like, I'm going to sit at my house and grow vegetables, leave me the eff alone.
It's the authoritarians who are going to be cracking down and trying to go after people.
ian crossland
Can you real quick define populism?
tim pool
It's when you are supported by and working for the interests of the population, of the people.
Popular support.
Then you have elitism, which is when you're working for and supported by the powers of the elites.
And then you have the establishment, which is mostly the elite infrastructure, the machines, the old money, the traditional power structures.
So Trump is a populist.
He has almost no support from the elites.
Tucker Carlson is an elite, gives him some support, so there's some people there for sure.
But he has almost no elite support, but he has tons of popular support.
The elites can muster up a strong force against that and restrict access to institutions.
So all the institutions are all, for the most part, elitist.
Yeah.
So the left populists, they were the Bernie Sanders crowd, but then Bernie went totally establishment.
Then they started voting in people like Biden, because I don't think they understood what they were doing.
And interestingly, The right populist movement is actually not even completely economically or culturally right-wing, but it's just older left-wing people like, you know, like I used to be, or you probably were at some point, or still are.
ian crossland
I definitely was, yeah.
tim pool
More leftist, and now it's kind of like, hey, freedom is important and what the establishment is doing is wrong.
Then you have these younger left populists who just The establishment is better because Trump is a fascist, and I don't know better.
ian crossland
So like an authoritarian populist?
Where they're like, we're gonna legislate for everyone to make it better for everyone, and then they end up ruining it for a bunch of people on accident?
forrest cooper
I think this is a really good place to put a line of demarcation or a differentiation between two concepts, because when you're talking about populism, we describe somebody as a populist.
I don't prescribe them as a populist.
I describe Donald Trump as a populist because he gets his support from the people.
A person doesn't become a populist in the sense of it's a thing that they become.
It's a method of description.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
And so it whereas in the same thing in that elitist thing is like, well, you could also say that some people are just they prefer to work for the good of the elites.
So I think populism growing is different than democracy in the sense it's not a system of governance.
But the issue with populism versus authoritarianism, where we're starting to see this kind of tear itself apart, is the authoritarianism is a top-down approach, whereas the populism is a bottom-up approach of cultural norms.
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
So they so Jen Psaki overtly states, we are an authoritarian.
We have an authoritarian view on cultural norms.
We have the right as the elites to dictate to you what is OK and not OK.
Whereas Donald Trump, in that if he's being described as a populist, is in more of a symbiotic relationship of saying, I understand you have the values are coming from the people and they put their position into Donald Trump.
tim pool
I will say, when it comes to this tweet from Vosh about the Smith & Wesson 22 victory, my biggest criticism is that he chose the victory.
Because I have one, and it fails to eject the case.
It just keeps jamming.
And so I went online, and they were like, you gotta file down the ejector pin or whatever.
forrest cooper
Yeah, it might be the ejector.
tim pool
Yeah, and so I'm like, you shoot a couple times, it gets jammed.
Vosh, man, there's better 22s.
I'm just kidding, it's actually a great gun.
It's great.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean, and also 22, especially 22 handguns are notorious for being picky with ammunition.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
I was kidding.
I was kidding, Vosch.
Your gun looks pretty cool.
ian crossland
But we do need more Tim and Vosch drama.
lydia smith
Yeah, we do.
tim pool
Well, the plan right now is Charlie Kirk and Vosch on August 3rd.
unidentified
Cool guy.
ian crossland
Thing I like about Vosh and his name's Ian.
I want to call Ian.
What's up, dude?
Is he's like really smart.
Like it's whatever your political beliefs are.
And this is kind of what I always want to remind myself and other people about.
It doesn't really matter what your political beliefs are.
If you're really smart and open minded and you want to and you like listening to people go for it.
You have your discussion and your ideas?
tim pool
You don't gotta like the guy.
You gotta beat him in a debate.
ian crossland
Of course.
tim pool
So, for anybody who's saying they think he's dumb or they don't like him, it's like, yeah, he's definitely not dumb.
If you know it and you can beat him in a debate, there you go.
That's what it's all about.
Anybody who's willing to come in here and sit down and have that debate, that's great.
I respect that.
Because there's a lot of people who are grifting, who outright refuse to come in.
There are even people who are not even, like, He's great about debating.
who are scared of talking about certain things.
So somebody wants to come and sit in the lion's den and have that, I mean, look, he's agreed to sit here
with Charlie and me.
Charlie, me and Charlie don't agree on everything, but we definitely don't agree with Vosh.
So he's like willing to sit down on what's effectively a two against one debate.
All right, that's great.
lydia smith
He's good about debating, I like that about him.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I think we're seeing a shift in the way that we talk about things, like especially like
intelligence, is that there's a difference between being intelligent
and being an honest intellectual.
So somebody like, again, you could take somebody who has the hardware and or the practice and they understand something very thoroughly and they're very, very well versed in the subject.
But when they come to a conversation, they're not interested in understanding the subject or coming to solutions and problems.
They're interested in something else.
And I think that's a big, I think that's actually a very large undergirding issue with the way that we address things in society.
tim pool
I'm not super worried about leftist YouTubers, to be completely honest.
When we're talking about what's going on with Jen Psaki and the federal government, I understand that when it came to the 2020 election, they played a huge role in helping the fascistic establishment machine take power.
And that sucks.
But that's happened.
We have the audits happening.
We'll see if what more comes from that.
We'll see where we end up.
But regardless of any of it, it seems like we're heading towards some kind of breakup.
Peaceful divorce.
ian crossland
Yeah, decentralization at the very least.
tim pool
The federal government's become too powerful, and now it's starting to lose a lot of that power.
Like, one of the things we mentioned the other day, and we mention quite often, the Democrats use the federal government to enact local laws for everybody in areas that aren't local to them.
And I think a lot of people do this, too.
Well, it's funny when you see someone running for Congress and they'll be like, if you vote for me, I'll make, you know, I'll make this place better.
It's like, I'm from St.
Paul, Minneapolis, and I want to make St.
Paul clean.
So vote for me.
And it's like, bro, you represent us to the feds.
You go, you go to, you go to DC.
You're not here to discuss budget for the local cleaning up of these streets.
So what happens is they go to DC and they say, our streets are dirty.
I demand we create a massive federal budget to clean up streets.
And then you've got some guy who lives in the mountains of like Wyoming and over in the Rockies.
And he's like, what?
Why are my tax dollars going towards it?
That makes literally no sense.
But guns are a better example.
Perfect example.
Somebody in New York being like, these guns are a problem.
We should ban them.
And then there's a guy fighting a grizzly bear and he hears like, you know, on his radio, they want to ban guns.
And he's like, I'm in the middle of fighting a grizzly bear.
I need my gun to fight that grizzly bear.
You know?
ian crossland
There's water collections, another interesting one, because in some states, and I don't have a list of which ones, but it's illegal to collect rainwater.
I think because it grows bacteria, like standing water can, and mosquitoes, so you don't want it in a city, but in some areas of rural America, you need, you know, the access to rainwater.
tim pool
It's because of groundwater.
So typically the places that ban water collection is because it would eventually deplete groundwater reserves.
The water has to cycle into the soil and everything like that.
lydia smith
It's that way in Colorado.
tim pool
It's not about one person having water, it's about if everyone was doing it.
But then there's some places that don't do it.
Imagine if some guy, you know, like... Imagine if Arizona went to the federal government and said, we want to pass a bill that says the Great Lakes should share their water with everybody!
Well, not everybody needs the Great Lakes water, and the Great Lakes needs it more than you do.
But they need water, so they want to pass laws that affect everybody.
So now that we're past 2020, I... What am I supposed to do?
Am I supposed to go to a lot of these, like...
Left YouTuber types who are like, please vote for Joe Biden and be like, here's a big list of everything you screwed up.
I think a lot of people realize how bad things are, how they got duped, the promises that were made with the Democrats didn't come true.
And now you have all of these, you know, Biden voters posting their L's on Twitter.
And now I'm just like, OK, I'm honestly not worried about the useful idiots.
ian crossland
I got burned by George Bush when he told us there are weapons of mass destruction.
I think everyone needs to get burned once by a politician, by a president, and to realize that that system is Susceptible to corruption.
tim pool
It's tough, dude.
Because you know what it is?
It's that we trust.
And so when you're young, and you're in your 20s, and then Obama comes around and he's like, I'm gonna bring change!
unidentified
And hope!
tim pool
Get our troops out of the Middle East!
It's gonna be great!
And then you're like, this is fantastic.
End the war on drugs!
And you're like, wow, this is it.
This is what I've been waiting for.
I grew up with these bad guys, here's a good guy.
And then you get burned, and you're like, wow, he was a bad guy.
Screw everybody.
Young people, They give the benefit of the doubt.
They don't do it again.
Sometimes people do.
But I think most of the establishment people on social media, man, they are absolutely just looking for some kind of personal gain from the win.
ian crossland
What do you mean establishment people?
tim pool
Like the media people, the overstate, the cathedral.
They're absolutely going to lie, cheat, and steal because they're going to be empowered.
forrest cooper
You said it a couple times earlier this week, and I think you made the point very clear.
When Joe Biden is talking, he's not talking to you.
That's what he's meaning.
He's talking to his elites.
He's saying, yeah, we're doing these things for our own good.
Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
You as a person, Ian.
When you present the world in that kind of way, he's not interested in what you think.
And so when you even look at Balkanization and Decentralization, they're the same thing, but one of them, Balkanization, is more of a breaking of political structures as opposed to Decentralization starts in the home.
How so?
So you have your experience where you get burned by a politician.
You might become cynical, if nothing else, or at least suspicious of anything political, but that itself is not self-sufficiency.
That itself is just skepticism.
And skepticism manifests into nihilism and then you just go crazy.
So we don't want that.
So what you get this balkanization, this structure that we're talking about is when I'm voting for somebody for the House of Representatives, I know that they're going to the House of Representatives of the Feds, so I'm interested in their representation of my state to the federal government.
I'm not interested in their representation to my state to its own people, because I am sending them as a representative to the federal government.
And so I focus a lot more on local politics.
Right?
If I live in Brooklyn Center, I am interested in who is the city council of Brooklyn Center.
If you look at a lot of the strife that's gone through Minneapolis in the last year, it's all on the local level.
And then people on the federal level, like Maxine Waters, come in and cause more.
But they don't create it themselves.
They add on to the chaos of the city.
So when you look at, like, decentralization, you could say, why is it that, or here's two really good examples referring to guns.
Joe Biden's, not Joe Biden himself, but like the ATF currently put out new letters redefining, theoretically redefining what a brace is, making these guns SPRs, and it's a whole big legal problem.
It effectively will make anywhere between 10 and 30 million people felons overnight.
Uh, so yeah, if you know, if you, if you, uh, with confiscation is all kind of trouble, right?
So you have that issue and then Texas goes, we as a state will not allow the federal government to enforce this law.
They are decentralizing their understanding of firearms rights from the federal government.
They're not getting it from the top down.
California did the same thing.
You're not allowed to own these guns in our city or in our state.
Two very good examples of the opposite ends of the scale of both people being decentralized.
The states ultimately compromise the United States.
ian crossland
What did you say?
SB something?
forrest cooper
SB tactical?
ian crossland
No, no, you said they were trying to make stocks illegal to make it an SB?
forrest cooper
SBR.
Short Barreled Rifle.
I apologize for that.
Thank you.
Yeah, if you want to look into the history of terrible laws, look at the NFA.
The National Firearms Act, because if your barrel is too short, now you're a bad person.
ian crossland
Why is that?
Because it's easier to conceal?
forrest cooper
Functionally, in our current life, where we live now, it is completely arbitrary, and it's because of the bureaucratic bloat.
Laws never go away, they always get added to.
tim pool
There's a forward grip, I don't know what it's called, but it's like slight angle, and I was told that if you hold it improperly, it turns your pistol into a rifle.
forrest cooper
If you put a fore... the ATF has determined that if you put a foregrip, a vertical foregrip, on the front of your... on a large frame pistol that has a brace, it is considered turning it into an SBR.
tim pool
But there's one grip that's actually like a... it's like a wedge, right?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
forrest cooper
Yeah, the magpul angled foregrip.
tim pool
I was told that if you hold it the way it's supposed to be holded, you're fine, but then if you hold it like... oh, you're supposed to have your hand in front of it, or behind it, and if you put your hand on it, it makes it a foregrip, and now it's...
forrest cooper
Yeah, I do not know the answer to that one, because that is another really, really good point on why this whole NFA National Firearms Act is so problematic, is because, one, it was a gun confiscation scheme that started a long time ago that failed.
It basically failed in the Senate, or in the legislation.
And then, so it was just, again, we want to take all the guns away.
OK, no, it's compromised.
OK, we'll only make these illegal.
That's one problem.
And then after that, well, firearms technology has changed.
Massively since that.
ian crossland
3D printing?
forrest cooper
It can't keep up with it.
The legislation cannot keep up with it and the change in how firearms are used and how people are shooting different types of competitions.
They're looking for different types of firearms for home defense.
It's not all your granddad's bolt action anymore.
tim pool
Are they going to make rail guns?
forrest cooper
They have them.
They already exist, they're just not ready.
tim pool
I mean like NFA items.
Are they going to make rail guns banned?
unidentified
You know, let's not give the enemy any ideas.
tim pool
Let's loop back, because we were talking about free speech and stuff, and Jen Psaki, and there was another subject I really wanted to get into, and that's the Freedom Phone.
You guys heard about the Freedom Phone?
ian crossland
I have, I tweeted it out a couple days ago.
tim pool
All right, so Freedom Phone comes from this guy.
He was actually hanging out here once when we had Alan Bakarian, and he was showing us the device and everything, and I was like, yeah, cool, whatever.
And it's a phone that, he says, will keep your privacy.
You won't be tracked.
It's an uncensorable app store, so the apps are gonna be allowed to be in it.
And it comes preloaded with a bunch of free speech websites and things like that.
Let me just say, I have not done a technical review of the product.
But boy is this guy over Target.
Seriously.
The amount of smear pieces that have come out about the Freedom Phone that are laughably bad and nonsensical and make no points is insane.
ian crossland
I haven't seen any of them.
tim pool
Okay, so first, first.
The Daily Beast put out Quite possibly the stupidest smear piece I've ever seen, where they were like, it turns out that Freedom Phone?
Aha!
It's base hardware is actually a Chinese company's phone.
And then I see people on Twitter be like, whoa, really?
And I'm like, I don't understand what that means.
So what?
Did you think the guy built the phone from scratch in a factory in Scranton or something?
Of course he outsourced a base phone.
What do people think this is?
But that's the narrative they're trying to weave.
It's a bad phone.
You can't have it because it was made in China.
I'm like, yeah, along with like every other phone, I guess.
So you probably still want to do some kind of forensic analysis on it to see if there's data leak or whatever to see if it's actually doing what he claims to.
Check this out.
The Daily News.
Right-wing activist push $500 Freedom Phone made in China and seemingly available under a less patriotic name for $120.
This is a lie.
This headline is a lie for one simple reason.
Let me explain to you what the headline actually says.
Let's say I have a canvas that costs $5, and I paint a picture of Ian on it, and then I say, $100.
And they come out with a headline, the canvas that Tim is selling for $100 actually can be bought at Hobby Lobby for $5!
lydia smith
Oh my.
tim pool
Yeah, but I painted a picture on it.
So this has got apps, it's got a proprietary operating system.
Some people don't know how to load those things.
So if you want those things, you pay for them.
But wait, there's more.
It gets even better.
lydia smith
Oh good.
tim pool
We have this story from Gizmodo.
MAGA-branded Freedom Phone is a black box that should be avoided at all costs.
Nobody can blame GOP voters for wanting a phone that prioritizes privacy and autonomy, but the Freedom Phone can't be trusted.
Why?
They don't actually give a good reason why it can't be trusted.
They just say, it's a Chinese phone.
Okay, so do a hard wipe on it or don't trust him?
Why would I trust Apple or Google over some random guy?
Sorry, I trust random guy over these major companies.
But wait, there's more.
CNET.
Uncensorable freedom phone raises a host of security questions.
No, it doesn't.
They're freaking out over this good freedom phone.
And again, I have not vetted the device.
I have not done any technical review on it.
I look forward to So I hear about this phone and I'm like, oh, that'll be interesting I should I should hit on my buddies and we should we should gut it and we should like really go through it and see what he's got going on in it, but to see all of these people so what happened was I saw Robby Suave, a libertarian guy from Reason, tweeted in response, I think to Candace Owens or something, that it was a grift, that they're grifting selling this phone.
And I'm like, why is it a grift?
I don't understand.
Jack Murphy responded with, is there a reasonable critique of this?
Because I've not, you know, that you've written about.
Ian Miles Chong then responds that it's just a Chinese phone.
You know, Daily Beast wrote about it.
My response is like, oh, the great technologists and intrepid reporters of the Daily Beast and their expertise in the far, far, far, far, far right.
They know exactly how a phone works.
There are people who are just freaking out over the idea that you could have a phone pre-built to keep you off their grid.
Big tech must be sweating.
All of a sudden, all these articles, like, bro, I googled this story earlier today, and I saw a bunch of articles.
I just googled it now to pull this up.
Way more articles.
And they're saying things like, the phone, one person tweeted, a hacker, the phone, the data set, the chipset could be hacked if they have physical access to the device.
And I'm like, that's good.
ian crossland
You want access to your own device.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
They're saying someone else can hack your phone if they have physical access.
And I'm like, that's true for my refrigerator, dude.
It's true for my car.
If someone gets physical access to my device, they can do a lot of things with it.
It is insane how, how much they're freaking out over this.
ian crossland
He was saying that they scoured the United States to try and build it here, and they found out that the United States is not capable of producing phones.
tim pool
I will say, one of the funniest things was, though, Eric Finman, who made this, tweeted out the video, like, here's the thing.
Then he tweeted what you said.
We scoured the U.S.
to find a factory that could build these phones.
The unfortunate reality is that there's nothing, there's no factories that could build at scale, and it says Twitter for iPhone underneath it.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
He tweeted it out.
He's using the iPhone.
ian crossland
You know, you got to do research.
That's I use YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.
I built mines, but I, well, I didn't build it.
I was there.
tim pool
He should be using his own phone.
ian crossland
Yeah, probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I wonder if it doesn't.
I wonder if that was on Twitter.
He put that out.
I wonder if he tweeted with an iPhone, if he doesn't use Twitter from the freedom phone.
I wonder how that, I can't wait to talk to this guy.
tim pool
Yeah, it should be interesting, but there's something to be said about what we're hearing from the federal government, Jen Psaki, censoring people, shutting them down, banning them from every platform.
Then a dude comes out and he's like, this device has all these preloaded apps.
It's super easy for you.
You want to know why this is so powerful and so important?
ian crossland
Because it can be replicated.
tim pool
Very, very quickly and easily.
And regular people who have no technical expertise are being provided with a service that very simply could, potentially, grant them privacy, security, eliminate the tracking, and stop the censorship.
Not to mention, Unit Freedom Phone really needed to include, I don't know if they do, mesh networking capabilities.
That's right.
So again, I want to see one of these devices, and I used to do a ton of hacking.
I was saying this earlier, I once hacked an Android to be a Pip-Boy from Fallout 3.
Nice!
It's not hard to do.
It's literally not hard.
You get skins, you get a new OS, you put it on, you do it, and then you get the little Pip-Boy thing.
And then you get the app where it puts the light into your skin to track your pulse and everything, and then you actually have the Fallout 3 thing.
Anyway, I'd love to gut this thing, see what's going on, but what's powerful about it I am not sponsored by this company.
I do not have one of these phones.
There is no promo code for me.
I in no way am saying that it's the best one ever.
The idea that somebody could make privacy as a service, or as a product, as hardware, scares them.
The beast, the machine, the overstate, the cathedral.
ian crossland
Similar to those 3D printed ghost guns when they came out.
Man, they did not like that.
unidentified
They still don't.
forrest cooper
The motto behind it is you can't stop the signal.
They're already out there.
It's too easy to make now.
tim pool
We need to figure out how to make something like this as easily replicable as 3D printing.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I mean at one point in time, I'm sure we'll be able to achieve that.
And the other interesting thing that your articles include is they all sound like they're targeting potential right-wing consumers.
unidentified
Who are reading Gizmodo and the Daily Beast.
forrest cooper
That's probably the closest I can get to conspiracy thought on that one, but it definitely sounds like they're not really interested in Normal Gizmodo readers.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
Expanding.
They're very interested in, oh, those people are going to search for Freedom Phone and we want to discourage people who are interested in the... which we want to... Right.
So the, you know, like, right-wing extremism and the term they use are the things that people who are on the right don't like being called.
tim pool
You want to know why I lean on... I see these stories.
They've provided no evidence of anything.
They're saying it could potentially be hacked if someone has physical access, and I'm like, okay, well then don't lose your phone.
Like, don't get your phone stolen.
Okay.
Add security apps to it, I suppose.
The chipset could be hacked, or whatever.
The reason why I think this is most likely on the level is that you cannot put out a phone and then allow communities to hack it and not find what you're doing.
So basically, if Google and Apple put out phones, and regular people break into them, and, oh no, they've hacked it, they've got physical access, people jailbreak phones all the time, and then they find out where the tracking is coming from, what data's being leaked and where, of course they'll be able to do it with Freedom Phone, which is made by some guy.
Some guy's phone.
But he says they've taken little bits from a bunch of different operating systems to create their own operating system.
ian crossland
One of which is called Graphene OS.
tim pool
Graphene OS.
And I hear a lot of people saying, there's no reason to buy the phone, just buy your own phone and put Graphene OS on it.
And I'm like, yeah, that's actually great, if you know how to do it.
But see, what's scaring them is that 45-year-old Mildred can be like, I don't know nothing about that phone bootin', but I'll buy one of those Freedom phones.
And they're like, no, no, no, we need to spy on you.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Oh, what's Mines?
It comes preloaded with Mines.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
ian crossland
Oh, make an account on Mines.
tim pool
What?
ian crossland
I'm not getting tracked.
tim pool
Yep.
That's right.
ian crossland
Or maybe you're not getting tracked.
I still, like you said, I haven't broken a phone.
tim pool
So it's, you know, you get a ton of people on the right.
They're promoting it.
They're giving their promo codes for it.
And the establishment is like, over target, baby.
ian crossland
You said that you can't stop the signal.
That must go in many directions.
Like, does that also mean that you can't stop your signal from being tracked regardless of what your signal is and where it is?
forrest cooper
Oh, it's referencing to 3D printing guns.
The technology is so simple now that you can do it and it's not hard to do.
They're just making it illegal.
If you know a modicum about the internet, you know that they can't block things.
What was the effect of it?
Don't take a picture of my house?
tim pool
Streisand.
forrest cooper
Streisand effect, right?
And that's exactly what's happening.
One of our most read articles is where to find 3D printed gun files.
It's on the internet, right?
And another interesting thing about that, too, is we currently have a pre-order for a paper copy of a bunch of DIY things, like how to build guns and how to DIY your own suppressor.
All of it is legal.
All of it is exactly like, hey, this is what you do.
Do not do this, because this is breaking the law.
But it's like, OK, now I have the book there, and that helps.
And then it's that digitally.
tim pool
Back during prohibition, they used to sell, it was powdered wine.
And you'd buy it, and it would come with a card that said, warning, do not pour this into a bottle and then store it
in a cabinet for one month, because it will turn into wine, and wine is illegal.
lydia smith
Don't do that.
tim pool
So people were...
It was like grape juice or whatever, like you powdered grape juice.
And it was like, don't put this in the it'll turn into wine.
Yeah.
Don't people add wine.
ian crossland
Don't look at that guy.
Everyone's like, what guy?
lydia smith
Streisand.
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
Streisand effect.
You know, man, I don't know.
It's gonna be interesting to see what this this phone's capable of.
But regardless of that, I think people would be would be well suited to actually learn about Android devices and custom operating systems and security features and things like that.
Because, uh, they's a-spying on you.
And if you think they're not, you are wrong.
ian crossland
Do you think they have satellites that can listen in to us right now with, like, long-range radio waves?
tim pool
Uh, no, they use lasers.
ian crossland
LiDAR?
What is it?
forrest cooper
I think you're overthinking it.
They just listen to the stream.
ian crossland
That's for sure true.
I've opted in.
forrest cooper
Yeah, well, I mean, you've got devices everywhere.
unidentified
If they really wanted to listen to you- Oh, bro, we got the Amazon robot over there.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
But then, like, if you're out in the woods and you don't have any cell signal, can they listen to you?
That is a question that I cannot answer.
tim pool
Hold on a second.
Alexa, are you spying on us?
unidentified
Amazon takes privacy seriously.
tim pool
Can you hear it?
She just basically was like, we take privacy very seriously.
Look at the app.
ian crossland
You noticed she didn't answer your question?
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
That was a non-denial denial.
We're being spotted by robots.
ian crossland
I did thank that computer earlier today.
I think I'm either going insane or evolving.
tim pool
You know, it'd be cool if like, you know, we're not, there's, there's no overstate, there's no cathedral.
It's just someone invented an AI like 10 years ago and it took over and now we're like trapped in the machine, you know?
So you're actually fighting the AI and you'll never win.
lydia smith
Oh, that's encouraging.
forrest cooper
So life's a video game?
tim pool
I mean, I'm not saying that, but maybe.
ian crossland
Like, it's a self-propelling organism.
And we're just kind of... No, I'm saying, like... It's like a car.
The faster a car moves, the less you have to turn the wheel to make it go crazy in a different direction.
tim pool
I'm just saying, what if, like, Dr. Johnson 10 years ago was like, I have done it!
I have created AI!
And then the AI was like, hello, Dr. Johnson.
And then after 10 years, he, like, controlled the... Like, it's like a movie, you know what I mean?
Like, the one with Johnny Depp, where he, like, puts his brain in the machine and takes over and whatever.
ian crossland
The AI would have been like, I have created Dr. Johnson.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
Or it's like Ultron, you know.
ian crossland
What if you created an AI but then the AI thought it has always been here?
Never mind, I don't want to derail the conversation into this.
lydia smith
Well, isn't that the singularity?
forrest cooper
The singularity, yeah, I'm pretty sure the singularity is when the AI becomes self-conscious and replicatable at a point where it can't be stopped.
lydia smith
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure we're not there yet.
I don't think- No, we're not.
ian crossland
But according to Lex Friedman, one of the pioneers and leading AI scientists on Earth, that is inevitable.
That is- What is?
That AI is going to become self-replicable and will create itself and proliferate unstoppably.
tim pool
And anybody who's watched Stargate knows that the replicators go to war with the Asgard, and then it's tough war, man.
Do you guys know what Grey Goo is?
The Grey Goo apocalyptic scenario?
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
It's a reference to humans creating a nanobot which self-replicates, and then it keeps eating materials to create more and more of itself, and then eventually it's consumed all matter on the planet.
All that's left is what appears to be a Grey Goo, but when you zoom in, it's a bunch of tiny nanobots.
ian crossland
All just you want I highly recommend paperclip simulator if you want to play a game like that where you just make paper in AI that makes paperclips Oh, it destroys the world And then it creates drones that go out into space to make more drones to make more paper That's it keeps going and changing and like going to the next level and the next look it's crazy.
It's like a video game It's just like, um, a browser game that's all like numbers and data and like you watch the numbers going up and up and up and up.
tim pool
Oh, I see, I see.
ian crossland
It's really cool.
tim pool
It's not like an actual game?
That'd be awesome to me.
ian crossland
I guess technically it's a game.
Yeah, check it out.
tim pool
But like a 3D game where you consume the planet?
ian crossland
That'd be wild.
forrest cooper
Didn't somebody create a game where you basically create a plague that's supposed to take out the planet?
ian crossland
Yeah, Plague Inc.
And then after COVID began, what did they do?
They stopped selling it in China, trying to ban the sale of it.
And then they made an expansion called The Cure now.
So it's Plague Inc.
The Cure, and now you play in trying to kill the virus.
tim pool
Oh, now you're trying to cure the virus.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Oh, interesting.
forrest cooper
And before anybody makes aware of it, I am aware that I say the word plague wrong.
tim pool
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But that was because we were looking at it through the lens of the last election cycle where the populist left was very much aligned with the establishment.
Now that Joe Biden's in, I was saying it's the biggest mistake for them to bring Joe Biden in because this will fracture them from the populist left.
ian crossland
Yeah, they should have used Bernie.
tim pool
Somebody who would have, yeah, and Bernie was playing ball.
ian crossland
They would have twisted him, man.
tim pool
Oh, they did twist him.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But anyway, the point is now with Biden in, conservatives hate Biden.
Disaffected liberals, politically homeless, IDW, hate Biden.
And the populist left hates Biden.
They have put into office a man everybody hates.
Now, to be fair, he's not the most hateable guy because of how pathetic and old and befuddled he is, but no one likes him.
So now it kind of feels like that's taken away the prospect of an actual faction versus faction clash and opened up what appears to be balkanization.
So I want to show you guys this, because we talked about it yesterday.
This is the chart that we pulled up last time.
Support for seceding from the U.S.
to form a new regional union.
The Pacific region is 39%, the Mountain region is 32%, the Heartland is 30%, the Northeast is 34%, and the South is 44%.
So what I did, and this is YouGov data, I added up all the numbers, divided them by five, and got, you know, 35 or so percent.
It's an incorrect number, because the Pacific region has about 53 million people, and the Southern region has 107 million people.
So 44% of 107 million is substantially more than 39% of 53 million.
I did all the math.
The full number is 37.2 million people.
So I added up the total populations.
Then I took the 44% of 107, I added them together, divided them by the actual population.
37.2% of this country is in favor of their region splitting off from the country.
Tell me why it's a bad idea.
ian crossland
Well, firstly, we're getting a poll that's only pulled like 3,000 people, I think, right?
2,800 people total.
tim pool
Which is apparently like twice what you need for a representative sample.
ian crossland
Technically, but it's only like .1, what is that, .01% of the population got polled on this.
So I could see, you know, random errors in the data.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
So what you're basically saying is that They got lucky in that everyone they asked just happened to be the people who wanted to secede?
ian crossland
Could've been.
tim pool
No, come on, dude.
ian crossland
It could've been the way they were asking the question, too.
Like, do you want to secede from the Union?
They're like, well, I never thought of that.
tim pool
The question was something like, would you support your region breaking off from the United States to form a new regional union?
ian crossland
Yeah, and if someone had never thought that before, and then they saw that question, they might be like, hmm.
Yeah, sure.
tim pool
Yeah, okay, so they support it.
ian crossland
It wasn't like they were like, I want this to happen, and they thought of it on their own, like they're being coaxed into answering.
tim pool
I think you're attacking the poll, which is, it's YouGov data, YouGov's pretty good, and it's 2,750 people, which is more than is needed for a representative sample.
ian crossland
It is a poll, though.
tim pool
I'm not trying to say the poll's perfect, because polls are pretty trash.
ian crossland
Yeah, if it was 70 million people that voted for something like this, I'd be, now this would be hot, hot, hot to me.
lydia smith
Well, like Tim said, polls are typically garbage.
But if you want to ask someone a question and kind of figure out what people are really thinking, you could break it down with any question.
You could be like, this poll is wrong because they asked it in this way.
So I feel like you're kind of splitting hairs.
tim pool
I don't care.
I don't care about arguing about whether polls are good or not.
I'm talking about, based on this data, 37.2% of people want to balkanize the United States.
Is that a good or bad thing?
forrest cooper
If you want to ask me why I consider it a bad idea, which is not the opinion that I'm going to espouse, is because we've never done it successfully without mass conflict.
tim pool
But you think it's a good idea?
forrest cooper
I think that it's something that we're exploring that could very well be a good idea.
I mean, we're in the exploratory stage.
It's certainly a better option than many, many things.
I would much rather have peaceful divorce than what happened in Bosnia.
Right, right, right. You know, like I would rather have peaceful divorce than the constant riots in Minneapolis
being the new normal.
lydia smith
That's fair.
forrest cooper
I would rather have some form of ability for American, the current country that is America, where people go, okay, you
know what then, we're gonna, we're gonna finally have the motivation to move here, and we're gonna build our families,
and we're gonna build our cultures, and we're gonna realize that this ship will never meet again.
Like this, we, we...
We have to stand at odds.
Or, you know, maybe you could take it in more cynical ways, but yeah, I would much rather have it than some sort of authoritarian dictatorship where it's like I'm under the boot of Right.
know, so Biden doesn't pick an authoritarian that's that even holds all of my views.
tim pool
I don't you know, you you you mentioned something I had said earlier in that Biden isn't talking
to you when just seriously when Jen Psaki comes out when Biden comes out.
Everybody listening to the show knows Biden is not talking to them because he says things
that are not in line with literally what their states are doing or what their representatives
want or the people have voted for.
So the example easily being when Biden said we need more lockdowns and Texas and Florida had literally reopened everything to the support of the residents and the citizens of their states.
So Biden is literally saying our democracy and our country And they're actually saying the Republicans are the problem.
In fact, let me pull up this story from Newsweek.
Ex-Trump official says GOP greater national security threat to US than ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
ian crossland
Well, it also goes back to your point.
tim pool
the Republicans. So when Joe Biden comes out and says what the Republicans are doing is the biggest
threat since the Civil War, you know he is already saying this country is not unified
unidentified
and they are the enemy. Well, it also it also goes back to your point.
forrest cooper
Is he saying that and this is where you have to make a really important parsing.
Is he saying that the Republicans are the biggest threat to the country or to his regime?
team.
unidentified
And I think the answer is B. No, I think he's saying country.
tim pool
And I think he views the country as only his supporters and only his states.
forrest cooper
Exactly.
We're splitting hairs in the conversation.
I agree with you.
Yeah.
tim pool
So what does that mean for the rest of us, I suppose?
ian crossland
I kind of think we're already balkanized.
The way we built this country was absolutely incredible.
We have these states with this massive power, the state power.
So that's kind of what the Balkans are, is a bunch of states.
So as long as we reign the power of the federal government, I think that we're already read to go, man.
We're balkanized and ready, man.
We're a decentralized union of states.
lydia smith
Go ahead.
I was going to say, I think that if you look at the example of the Balkans, that's not good.
That's not encouraging.
We could probably look at something like the EU.
And if we go into it in an organized fashion, which I don't think we are, I think that everything's going to be insanely slipshod like the voting in 2020.
Give me a freaking break.
Absolute insanity.
I think that we're more likely to be more like the Balkans than the EU.
But if we could do something like the European Union, that would be...
ian crossland
From talking to a British dude about the EU, he was saying it was really horrible because it was like unelected leadership would make decisions for England all of a sudden.
tim pool
That's exactly what I've been saying about the Democrats.
Dude, I move out to the middle of nowhere because I don't want to live in Philly.
When I live in Philly, you know, we live in the suburbs, and I hear, like, they want to pass certain laws, I'm like, I get it, that makes sense, because I live in a city, I live in an urban area.
Move to the middle of nowhere, now all of a sudden I'm hearing what the Democrats are doing, and I'm like, that makes literally no sense, because now I understand what it's like to be in the middle of nowhere.
The one thing I realized is how come I wasn't hearing the inverse?
How come I wasn't living in the city hearing policies about why we need to legalize raising livestock in our homes?
Because Republicans don't fight for things.
So if you live in an urban environment and you hear the debate in Washington, you're probably thinking like, this debate makes sense.
The Republicans are insane for denying this.
If you move to a rural area, you hear the debate and you're like, why aren't the Republicans fighting for what we need where we live?
I think a lot of these young leftists grow up in cities.
They don't understand that.
ian crossland
I mean, we kind of already have it.
We have it.
That's why they're not trying to change it.
Like you were saying, laws get made, but they don't get, they don't get broken apart.
tim pool
Yeah.
They don't get enough.
ian crossland
Maybe they should have sunset clauses built in.
tim pool
Yes.
There's a, there's a, there's like, there are books called like, you know, bat, uh, like ridiculous laws or whatever.
There's like some law where you can't take showers on Tuesdays and like Massachusetts or something like that.
Some, some, some town there's laws where it's like, you can't put an apple pie in your window sill on Sunday afternoons.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And these laws made sense at the time, but they were passed when there were like 300 people living in the city and now there's 500,000.
So it's like, not being able to shower on Tuesdays was because they had, you know, a certain amount of water or like, you know, the city was, you know, limited in some capacity.
You can't have, you know, pies on your window sill on Sunday because something was happening.
ian crossland
Or the churchgoers were coming home.
You didn't want to tempt them.
I don't know what it was.
tim pool
Not about tempting, but just about like, you know, just they had reasons for the stuff that don't make sense anymore.
forrest cooper
So the term Balkanization is still kind of a newer concept for us, right?
It's newer in the cultural conversation, for sure.
It's at least since the Civil War, I guess, would be a good way of saying it.
So perhaps when we're talking about Balkanization, we're also thinking about it in the same way that we tend to address hyper-aggressive authoritarianism.
They're really, like, very, very far-out concepts.
Like, for us, we could move towards balkanization by moving towards decentralization, and not actually have to reach full-out balkanization.
And that would be something that you do in degrees.
You don't just go, okay, cool, we're breaking apart, here's the lines, we're done.
But that requires certain things of people to do as citizens like, you know, agree that we
shouldn't elect people that threaten their own population with violence or we, you know, whatever
tim pool
like that you could do that. I think the issue, you know, one of the things they brought up in
the study was most people are actually just saying they want power.
So 66% of Republicans in the South want to secede, but would they be saying that when Trump was president?
Maybe not.
Maybe not.
Because they have the power right now.
And so therein lies the problem that Joe Biden comes out and he's like, I will crush my enemies.
And the establishment damns are going, yes!
And they're clapping and cheering for it.
forrest cooper
That I think is the most dangerous part, is that we are now making it culturally acceptable to overtly express from a position of power in politics, while also feigning the act of being the victim, that we think it is good to do exact violence on our opponents.
And there's a very, very specific reason why we don't do that in public.
tim pool
That's why I was saying I'm more worried about the establishment than, like, populist leftists.
I am, yeah.
There's an issue, and I'm saying populist, I'm not saying Antifa, authoritarians, and Black Lives Matter.
They serve the establishment.
I'm saying, like, you know, the left's arguments about all this stuff, I'm kind of like, yeah, whatever, dude, I live in the middle of nowhere, like, have your hippie commune, have your healthcare, whatever, let's, you know, if the states break apart into regional unions, you can go move to the one that better suits your needs.
I would say the biggest problem with it is China, that's what I've long said.
China just takes over the moment this happens.
They go, thank you, Taiwan's theirs.
ian crossland
What's the history of the Balkans anyway?
Are you guys familiar with how did it shatter?
What was it before it Balkanized?
And then what was it after?
Kosovo, I know, was part of that.
Serbia.
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
ian crossland
See, because it used to be, man, I'm just, I'm not educated enough on, but I've, what, I got a message from someone there, like, I was in the Balkans when the, I think it was the Kosovo War, and they were like, it was, like Nazi Germany. It was worse. I think they actually said
it was worse than Nazi Germany.
And I don't think they were in Nazi Germany, but it was just like, I mean, I don't know,
tim pool
but mass, mass chaos. It's interesting. You know, you know, what's really interesting about this is
there's been a lot of like legit far right people several years ago were talking about
wanting to balkanize the US and we all scoffed and laughed at the idea.
Now they have a poll coming out where it's like, apparently Americans want to do this.
I think it's bad in the long run.
We don't want China to take over.
I mean, we got problems here.
Joe Biden's a nut.
The Democrats and the neocons are really, really bad.
The establishment politicians are really bad.
But look at the show we're allowed to do that we wouldn't be allowed to do if we lived in China.
ian crossland
Oh, I know.
What do you think about the American-Russian relations?
I personally feel like the United States and Russia should be the most intimate of allies to protect the Earth.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, I don't know about that.
ian crossland
Two of the largest land masses on Earth.
They're not authoritarian Chinese Communist Party.
tim pool
Russia has more land than Pluto.
ian crossland
Russia doesn't really.
unidentified
It's gigantic.
ian crossland
Yeah, Russia's massive.
But most of it's, a lot of it's Siberia, but that's still cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Because if that ice melts away, yeah, if it warms up.
tim pool
I would love to, like, preserve the Arctic with, like, a global... Let me tell you something.
I was in Moscow once at the airport.
When you board a plane in the United States, the lady goes, now boarding group one, and you get up, and advantage members, and global pass, or whatever they call it, and then everyone in group one, you're sitting there on your phone, they get up and they go to board one by one.
Now boarding group two, and group two gets up.
So, um, I'm in Russia at the Moscow airport transferring.
I was flying Ukraine and they announced now boarding group one.
Every single person got up and ran full speed, like literally running, but like rushing and then shoving each other out of the way and waving their tickets at the lady.
And then the lady would like just grab one and then beep.
And the guy would squeeze his way through on the plane.
It was not boarding by anything.
It was just chaos.
And I was like, this is weird.
And I talked to my friend who was Ukrainian about it.
And the general conversation was, she was saying is, yeah, that's normal.
Like that's how, that's like Eastern European people do that all the time.
And I was like, that's so weird.
In America, we just like group one boards and you get up and you sit there and you wait because if you go up without your ticket, they'll tell you, hey, you're not group one, go sit down.
And then what she basically said was during the Soviet Union, The people who survived were the ones who were going to steal the extra loaf of bread.
Who were going to surreptitiously gain extra food somehow or cheat on their books or whatever or get money or illegally sell things or smuggle.
The people who would do whatever it took to get what they wanted to survive.
And now, these people are the children, and some of them lived in the Soviet Union.
So who survived for those hundred years of Soviet Communist oppression?
The people who were willing to rush to the front of the line to grab that loaf of bread before someone else got it.
They had kids, they grew up, and that's the culture that persisted.
Now, it wasn't—the conversation wasn't—that was the general idea of the conversation, and I was like, wow, dude.
So there's problems with Russia and many of the former Soviet states in that the Soviet Union created, you know, survivors.
It created countries of people who would do whatever it took to survive.
And with that comes pros and cons.
So what is Russia?
Vladimir Putin?
We must take power.
We must, we must, we must succeed.
We mustn't give up.
Former KGB guy.
The United States is not like that.
Now it's kind of being like that because the idea, because America has been so lax and so accepting with all these good times, We let, you know, a fox in the henhouse, and now we got the ideologues taking over the government.
Mark Milley has gone as woke as woke can get.
That dude's cracked out of his mind.
Mark Milley has lost it.
Like, dude's nuts.
Cultist, fully ideologue.
That's scary.
And so, the...
I don't know what you'd call it, but the pragmatic, reasonable mind is not winning this one.
Russia does not have it.
And I'm not saying that to be disrespectful, but the mentality of Russia is very much like Vladimir Putin.
There's rumors that he's the richest man on the planet because he controls all this money.
He's a permanent political president or whatever in Russia.
I don't know about all that, man.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's pretty disgusting.
But, you know, so is being human in a lot of ways.
You gotta poop every day.
That's pretty gross.
tim pool
Yeah, but what I mean to say is it looks like authoritarianism is on the rise everywhere, even in the US.
lydia smith
I would say there's a silver lining to Russia's authoritarianism.
Because the countries that remember what communism is like are going to be some of the last bastions of Western strength, I think.
Like Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Romania.
All of these little countries, they will never go back to communism.
And the further you get, I think the further you get from communism, the more likely you are to repeat it.
I think that's what we're seeing in the U.S.
forrest cooper
Yeah yeah I mean if you look into the you know the Marx Marxism is an interesting thing he just thought it was like that you're talking about Hegelian dialectics and it's wiser people than me that have talked about this he more or less thought it was inevitable and you also look at the concept of insurgency which is a topic that I've been studying more recently and it's very interesting to see that insurgency is sort of like it preys on the natural weaknesses of liberal democracies is what it does it yes So like, so what you kind of get is, I think of when I think of communism, I think of something like, it's a fever you're going to get every century.
And if you can survive it, you get another hundred years.
But if you don't survive it, it takes, you know.
tim pool
Do you see what the Democrat, what Black Lives Matter and AOC have said about Cuba?
forrest cooper
Yeah, that's some creepy stuff.
ian crossland
What is up with Black Lives Matter praising Castro?
tim pool
Is that real?
Hold on.
Yes, absolutely it's real.
They were saying, rest in power Castro.
Mark Milley, our general, supports that.
This dude, this is dark stuff, and you know what?
Trump should have fired the guy.
I mean, this is freaky stuff.
You got AOC and Black Lives Matter coming out saying, it's not Cuba's fault, it's not communism's fault, it's America's fault.
I love this idea because it's so socialist, it's so communist, that if Ian is hungry, it's my fault for not giving him my food.
It's like, OK, I could help him.
I could.
But Ian's food is Ian's responsibility, not mine.
ian crossland
Were you preventing me from getting the food?
tim pool
From getting my food?
Yeah.
ian crossland
So was America, like, sanctioning Cuba and keeping it down?
Embargo.
tim pool
America wasn't trading with Cuba.
ian crossland
Before Castro got into power?
tim pool
I think this was mostly having to do with the Communist Revolution.
But regardless, does Cuba have land?
Does Cuba have fish?
forrest cooper
Does America have an obligation to trade with countries that are actively working against them?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Ian, what do you got in that war room pandemic mug?
I don't want to tell you, Tim.
Well, I'm suffering and I want it.
ian crossland
No, it's mine!
Stay off my coffee.
tim pool
My suffering is the fault of Ian for not giving me his mug.
ian crossland
That's propaganda.
Don't listen to him, Forrest.
tim pool
That's what they're saying.
Because America's not giving them stuff, it's our fault they're suffering.
forrest cooper
It's not just what they're saying, it's what they believe.
And that's a bigger problem because people act on beliefs.
tim pool
Bro, this is the perfect two-year-old toddler tantrum mentality.
You see that video of the woman falling on the ground and screaming because she was being filmed?
forrest cooper
No, but I've heard of it.
tim pool
Stop filming me!
That perfectly exemplifies Millennials for the most part, unfortunately.
Not all Millennials are bad.
We seem to be good people.
You guys seem to be good people.
But what happens is, Cuban people are in revolution saying, Down with dictatorship!
Libertad!
And then AOC is like, America should give them free stuff!
unidentified
What?
tim pool
What are you talking about?
forrest cooper
No, no, no, no.
AOC, you give them your free stuff.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
forrest cooper
Do it yourself.
Don't do it with somebody else's stuff.
Do it yourself.
ian crossland
I just looked this up.
It's July 26, 1953, was the beginning of the Cuban Revolution.
It ended January 1, 1959, so about a six-year revolution.
That is after 1946, which is when the liberal economic order was established, basically the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower told us about.
And it's possible that America was suppressing the hell out of that country.
unidentified
In what way?
ian crossland
I really don't know.
See, at this point, Forrest and I were talking about conspiracy theories, and the problem with them is that you want to believe something is true because it gives you a sense of empowerment to be like, I get it.
So there's something good about me that I understand.
tim pool
So first and foremost, I think people should be responsible for themselves.
Look, I believe in charity.
I like social programs.
But people are responsible for themselves to a great degree.
If you don't have food, I may be a good person and help you, but if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
If you teach a man a fish, you feed him for the rest of his life.
In the end, if I ultimately say, bro, there's a homeless guy outside and he's like, let me sleep in your house.
And I'm like, no, you are causing my suffering.
It is your fault.
Then activists show up and they're like, the only reason this man is suffering is because Tim Pool won't let him in his house.
It's like, No!
The dude is responsible for his own shelter, man!
ian crossland
To a point, but the French Revolut— No, literally to—period.
Well, but if there's a monarch that's hoarding all the materials so that the people are starving and suffering, it is the monarch's fault.
tim pool
Why?
ian crossland
Because he's, by force, keeping them from their stuff.
The stuff that their community has produced.
tim pool
So can they, like, leave?
ian crossland
It depends.
unidentified
I mean, it depends on the situation.
forrest cooper
That actually is a good question, because where are you going to go?
Are you going to go west?
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
You're going to the middle of the woods.
forrest cooper
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that works with us.
tim pool
My point is about Cuba.
Cuba's food problem is Cuba's problem.
Cuba's medicine problem is Cuba's problem.
There is no obligation from any other country to give to them.
forrest cooper
Yes.
tim pool
And it is not America's fault they don't have stuff.
forrest cooper
And in the Cold War, when you side against our enemies, we are not obligated to feed you when your social experiment fails.
tim pool
Yeah, we had a Cuban Missile Crisis.
forrest cooper
It's the same thing with conservatives.
It's like, you know, they're not obligated to... Not conservatives.
It's like, okay, let's use a really good example.
I mean, you know, a lot of people even rag on Ayn Rand's argument through Atlas shrugged.
It's like at some point in time, the people providing are going to stop doing it.
And then your arguments, your high, high handed, you know, moral arguments on the greatest good for the greatest number won't mean a thing.
tim pool
That's exactly it.
Let's say America didn't exist at all.
Oh no, Cuba can't trade to get food from America because there isn't one.
lydia smith
To be entirely fair, American foreign policy has not always had the highest end goals in mind.
We see that in the Middle East.
I don't know enough about Cuba and the embargo there.
I'm just saying that I don't really trust the U.S.' 's, like, high-handed assertions of what they're doing anymore.
tim pool
Bro, these commies... Communism comes to being when entitled people think they are owed things and then want to take them from you.
forrest cooper
I actually disagree with you on that one.
tim pool
You don't think that's where communism comes from?
forrest cooper
No, I think communism comes from your... the...
I think communism comes from a base morality of selfishness.
I don't think it's entitlement.
Well, I think entitlement is this thing of like, there are things owed to me, perhaps because I exist or because of other things.
I think communism is born out of malice.
It's, I don't like you and I'm better than you.
And if I believe this, I'm holier than you.
tim pool
You know, I mean authoritarianism maybe, but that's like, the point of... What's the difference between communism and authoritarianism?
Communism is literally about the ownership by the community, meaning you have people who are like, that should be mine.
forrest cooper
So it's like Marxism, the abolishment of private property, right?
tim pool
It's owned by the commons, by the people.
forrest cooper
It never functions as, it's not the abolishment of private property, it's the abolishment of your property for my benefit.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But if you look at the things like, if you look at what AOC is saying, you look at what the squad is talking about and things like that, they're basically saying other people have things that I want and they should be given to me.
forrest cooper
Yeah, so we are saying the same thing, but I think it's fundamentally not born out of an intellectual deficiency.
I think it's fundamentally born out of a moral deficiency.
tim pool
I agree with you.
Yeah, these people have never lifted a heavy object in their lives.
forrest cooper
Communism ends in mass murder always because it requires absolute, what do you call it?
Everyone needs to do it willingly.
If one objector exists, then the entire system collapses.
Because we all pool our resources.
You give all your resources.
You give all of yours.
Lydia gives all of hers.
I give all of mine.
But then I go, wait, no, I want to keep this.
That act alone, now the only thing that you can do is either dissolve the whole system because it broke or you have to kill me.
It requires...
ian crossland
Or steal your stuff.
Well, I got really loud there for a second.
forrest cooper
Yeah, but why does it always fail in that same manner?
It's because it requires absolute volunteerism.
If you have one person who says, no, I don't think so, for good reason or evil, it doesn't matter.
I don't want to be a part of your experiment.
For whatever reason, by their own choice, It fails at that moment.
tim pool
That's why right libertarianism is the best.
If the United States elected an actual right libertarian, a Dave Smith for instance, and he was like, I'm gonna leave you alone and do your thing, then the hippies could have their commune.
The left libertarians, I think it was Ron Paul who said it, it's like in America you can create your own commune, no one's stopping you.
It's that these people want your stuff, that's what they're actually doing.
forrest cooper
They want you to uphold them when their system fails.
tim pool
There is, I think there's more than one successful communes.
They have about a hundred people, and they don't allow it to go larger than that.
So you can apply to join, and then as soon as someone leaves, next in line gets admitted into the commune.
Everybody has jobs, and you all live, and everything's shared, but there are people who own it and run it.
So there's still authority.
lydia smith
Who was it that was saying that all the most successful communes have been Christian or religious-based?
Is that true?
ian crossland
I think yesterday someone... Yeah, somebody was mentioning yesterday.
forrest cooper
Throughout history, yeah.
Then you also have things like the Gnostics, but they kind of died in the desert.
lydia smith
Well, that didn't work so well.
tim pool
If everybody believes in the same ideology, then your commune works.
forrest cooper
Yeah, because you have a shared sense of belief.
You can't have communism and multiculturalism.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
You can't have communism and, you know, it's fundamentally incompatible with basically all of humanity.
tim pool
Well, actually, I mean, honestly, I think that a functioning country probably needs some kind of religion.
lydia smith
Yes.
forrest cooper
How deep do you want to go into the definition of a religion?
unidentified
It needs a shared ideology.
forrest cooper
If a religion is not so much a belief in a supernatural God, but rather a hierarchy of values.
A moral framework.
What I call a religion is the hierarchy of values.
Whatever is at the top of that is my God.
So if I am calling myself an atheist, I'm also calling myself God, because it is my mind that determines everything that is real.
It's my mind that determines what's right and wrong.
If I don't use something outside of me to inform me on what is right and wrong, I am saying my mind is the ultimate authority on right and wrong, at least within my existence.
And I don't think that's a completely unrespectable position.
You just need to be humble and honest and realize that's what it is.
And so, yeah, a religion is a order, a hierarchy of values.
And if a culture doesn't have a unified hierarchy of values, how would it work together?
tim pool
Multi-ideologism doesn't work.
ian crossland
I like that word.
Salad, though.
tim pool
Multi-ideologism.
forrest cooper
That is a word.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like it.
tim pool
So in the U.S., having a bunch of different ideologies doesn't work.
unidentified
No.
Well, yeah, I mean, I know.
ian crossland
What does it mean to work, you know?
I mean, it provides opportunity to debate things, that's for sure.
lydia smith
True.
tim pool
Well, it doesn't work in the sense that without social cohesion, it balkanizes.
lydia smith
Well, yeah.
tim pool
And then everyone fights each other.
ian crossland
In a way, the U.S.
dollar, I think, is modern religion.
tim pool
I mean, bro, look at the child drag shows.
Like, come on.
Like, there is a hard line for a lot of regular people, but the left supports child stripping.
One hundred percent.
They defend it every turn, probably on tribal grounds.
Because they don't actually care because they have no more like this is the funniest thing.
I think a lot of conservatives need to realize not just conservatives, but like I don't know what you call that leftist group.
Okay, because I'm fairly revolutionary in a lot of respects.
Like I want to change.
I think the country needs to change a whole lot.
I'm all like Federal Reserve get it out of there.
You know conservatives were like stop.
We're going to keep things the same.
I'm like, you know, let's change it all.
But I think I draw the line with the kids stripping for money at the very least.
And what a lot of people who are in the culture war right don't understand is these people don't share your values at all.
There's a video of a four-year-old twerking, and they're all laughing and clapping and cheering as that happens.
forrest cooper
Yeah, there are people in this country that value stripping you of your right to own a firearm as a good thing.
They don't think of it as a means to an end.
They think of it as a good thing.
tim pool
Yeah, you shouldn't have a gun, period.
forrest cooper
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Like you, they view you as subhuman.
If it's a human right to own a firearm, and they say you don't have the right, they're viewing you as subhuman.
tim pool
The only reason, so I'll put it this way, with the child stripping.
Why aren't, uh, people, like, running, like, why aren't there armed men shutting down child stripping and grooming shows?
Why aren't people in New York going up and being like, stop what you're doing to this four-year-old child right now.
Put that camera away and stop this twerking.
In New York, they overwhelmingly have the same moral framework.
They like it.
They celebrate it.
And the people who don't are probably leaving.
Like, could you imagine somebody who is, you know, probably like, take somebody who's, you know, probably opposed to the rioting in Black Lives Matter, someone who's pro-two-way but would choose to live in Minneapolis?
Like, they'd have to be a psychopath, right?
forrest cooper
Thanks.
lydia smith
Right?
forrest cooper
Well, I did read a book once that confirmed it, so I guess I'm a psychopath now.
lydia smith
There you go.
forrest cooper
Thanks, Grossman.
Yeah, you're a hero.
tim pool
I'm only half kidding.
I mean, people are leaving.
forrest cooper
People are leaving the city.
tim pool
I don't want to live in this place.
I can't imagine this.
As we move down this path to where you get prominent, progressive channels with millions of followers praising and defending child stripping, I'm like, that's not going to last.
Because when you have like with the James Younger case in Texas, where a dad says my son is my son and the mom says my son is actually my daughter and is trans, at a certain point a parent is gonna be like, do not touch my child.
And then what?
forrest cooper
I mean, it'll change when parents actually value their children.
You know, like we talk about in the public school system.
I've used this example a couple times before, but it's my classic frustration.
You have a middle-class dad, a father, and he has a kid who's in public school.
And that father, every time you see him, all you're going to hear him do is rail against the public school system while he works his 9 to 5 and his kid goes to the public school system.
And so, for 18 years, you just hear the same thing.
Public school system, blah blah blah blah blah.
Then Susie turns 18, and Dad takes $140,000 that he has saved up and sends Susie to college, where he continues to complain, and she ends up a communist and hates him.
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
What, like you failed as a father.
tim pool
I saw, I think it was a Reddit post where a guy was like, my daughter came back, you know, for, for a break for like spring break or something.
And when she left, she was a normal, you know, high school kid graduated.
Now her head's shaven.
She's wearing weird makeup and she tells me she hates me and I'm evil.
It's like, yeah, well pay attention.
I'll tell you this, man, this idea that parents had where it's like, I can ignore what my child's, my, my, my child's life is like.
What they're being taught and what they're being indoctrinated with, I can ignore the raising of my child and they'll be okay?
Psychotic.
forrest cooper
Yes, people care more about their pet's life than their child.
Their child has become a pet that they put up with and they, you know, feed it and then whatever.
But like, I think that's very serious.
I have to say this with absolute, like, seriousness.
Raising a family is your most important responsibility as a parent.
I guess I have to say this, not having kids yet of my own, but is to pass your values on to your children so that they will be... Because if they're your values, you believe in them, right?
tim pool
And maybe they want their kids to be commies who hate them.
forrest cooper
No, I mean, it's the same thing.
Let's just say I have any, insert any value.
If I believe that the Second Amendment is a moral value, I don't think that people owning firearms is a utility against a foreign government or against corruption.
I don't believe it is a utility argument, although it could have one.
I think that owning a firearm, firearms ownership on the citizen level is fundamentally a moral problem.
It is moral that people say, this is my country.
I have investiture in it.
It is my land.
I am a part of it.
I am part of this country.
Therefore, I take personal responsibility within my community to be able to do that.
So if I think that's a value and then I have a kid and say, you believe whatever you want, man, I don't want you, I don't want to push my beliefs on you.
You don't believe those things.
They're just a fashion statement to you.
ian crossland
You kind of just passed that belief on to me because if we were in a tribe 7,000 years ago and there were wild animals trying to attack and kill the tribe, if you were, if you didn't pick up a spear and attack and defend, you were acting immorally.
It is your moral duty as a human to produce a weapon and defend your tribe from That's kind of why we're seeing what we're seeing, I suppose.
tim pool
But it's the government's monopoly on violence that I think is keeping everything in check, because I'll tell you this, man, there's probably a lot of people who are more traditionalist, and not even necessarily far-right, or even particularly that conservative, who are looking at what's going on with the abuse of children in this country, particularly in cities, and their eyes are probably twitching and veins are throbbing.
And it's scary stuff.
I mean, how can this country survive?
I see this poll about the Balkanization, you know?
37.2% want to break apart.
And I say, I get it.
I watched that video of that kid stripping for money at a club with men throwing money at him.
And I totally understand why people say, get New York and LA out of my country.
Because what else do you do about it?
ian crossland
I don't know, more local law.
forrest cooper
That's a culture issue.
No city council came together and said we're going to make a child strip in front of other people.
That was a cultural decision.
And those people do not have your culture.
And their culture is in opposition of yours.
It's incompatible.
I'm going to use this as sarcastically as possible.
This great idea that all roads lead to Rome, that all religions are just the same, is ridiculous because all of them describe evil in completely different ways.
tim pool
I think it's funny, there's like this weird meme where people keep calling me an atheist, and I don't know where that came from.
unidentified
What?
forrest cooper
Well, you're agnostic, right?
tim pool
You're atheist.
No, I'm not.
I believe in God.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia smith
He's atheist.
ian crossland
I'm kind of agnostic.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I am A. No, I'm not theistic in the sense that I follow scripture or anything like that, but I believe in God.
ian crossland
How do you fall in this realm?
forrest cooper
Oh, for like religious?
ian crossland
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Yeah, you'd call it, I'm a reformed Christian.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
forrest cooper
So reform is somewhat follows from the tradition of Calvin.
And there's, I mean, you can go multiple different ways, but think of it as like within the Christian, within what people refer to as Christianity, there are certain things that are sort of necessary doctrine.
So when you talk about praxi, that comes from a religious concept of praxi, doctrine versus praxi, practice.
So orthodoxy, what is the What is the accepted belief in orthopraxy?
What is the accepted practice?
So for me, one of the things is in the tension between the, in the tension between human free will and the sovereignty of God, right?
So if God knows all things, is all powerful, and is outside of time, do we really have free will?
I think it's, I think that free will is something, I live as though I have free will, but according to doctrine, I think that the sovereignty of God is much more important.
I think it's much more closer to being true.
unidentified
So that means... Did you see that lightning strike, bro?
forrest cooper
Yeah, I heard about it.
tim pool
The George Floyd mural getting struck by lightning, blowing out the brick wall.
I checked the weather on that day and it was sunny with scattered clouds.
In the photos, the ground was mostly dry, which is to insinuate it rained very briefly.
Just enough for a lightning strike on the George Floyd mural.
That, that's freaky stuff.
A lot of people were saying it was a sign, God has spoken, there's memes of a hand coming out of clouds with a gun.
And I'm like, you know, look, sometimes lightning strikes buildings.
Happens actually all the time.
And this one happened to have a George Floyd mirror on it.
ian crossland
The agnosticism in me really shows as one person told me, hey, one lightning strike doesn't prove anything.
And I thought, well, it doesn't disprove it either.
tim pool
That's true.
unidentified
Yeah?
tim pool
Well, what's the chance that the lightning would strike a building and blow out the torch?
ian crossland
That people were focusing on a lot?
If the human mind is a bunch of electrical, magnetic... I've seen some stuff, man.
tim pool
Like, I'll tell you, if there was one thing that really, like, snapped something in my head, it was watching that kid strip on stage.
And the left cheering for it and clapping and seeing that four-year-old little girl twerking and they're cheering for it and I'm like dude I am like left-lib hippie on a farm live and let live be happy in there They're doing these things to kids like there is evil in this world man Then that lightning strike with everything I've seen I'm like man, you know Can you finish how you were about to say something about the dichotomy between orthodoxy and ortho- Oh, not the dichotomy between orthodoxy and proxy, but the tension between human free will and the sovereignty of God.
forrest cooper
So the question is, are humans actually, do we have free will?
And we think so.
We generally think so, but from a theological doctrine, these two concepts exist in tension.
And so while I so what I would say is I believe and I believe that God is sovereign as in like everything from gravity is the continual action of God.
We are living through God's continual process of creation.
And so, in some ways, it's determined, but we're not capable of seeing it.
And the measurement or the mechanism of its determination, being determined, is bigger than our capacity to observe.
ian crossland
Gravity?
forrest cooper
All of reality.
Because in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, right?
So, if God created, then I don't think that he created the earth and just said, okay, cool, let's see how this experiment plan plays out.
I think that the act that we're seeing, the world that we're seeing right now, he's continuously upholding the world as it is.
So the professor of mine that I studied under said, salt dissolves in water every time, the same time, because God is consistent and He, by His will, has salt dissolve in water every time.
Exactly the same way.
What we call laws of nature are just His continual action.
So that's on a metaphysics level.
And then from like historical and what I believe evil is, so the problem of evil, how can an all-perfect God, all-knowing God, or all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good God create a world where there's evil?
This is not a very intelligent question.
People usually use it as a stomping question.
It's not a very intelligent question because people have been answering it for 2,000 years.
If you're just coming to that now and you don't read a book, you're not asking the question, honestly.
I'm just going to jump to the table.
It's a difficult question and multiple theologians have answered it over the time, but the one that I fall under is that evil is the absence of God.
So sin entered the world as humankind sinned against God and they became less than they were intended to.
So it's the absence of God.
If God is the source of life, he's the source of all these other things.
And that's on what is evil, what is good.
God writes the laws of morality in the same way that he writes the laws of science.
They're absolute.
We just think of laws in human creations where I can break a human law and get away with it.
But you can't break the law of God and get away with it.
tim pool
So do you think that like that lightning strike is God coming back to the scene in some way or something?
forrest cooper
No, I don't.
tim pool
You think just sometimes lightning strikes?
forrest cooper
Yeah, I don't.
I think it's very dangerous to pretend that me, a human, can interpret something as the will of God when he gave us scripture.
And that's hard enough for me to comprehend.
I do believe that God acts in our world.
I'm just very, very, very skeptical when I see something happen.
Because I don't want to get caught up in this storm of...
For lack of better words, I don't think it's respectful, even in a theological sense, to interpret everything as if it's like, oh God is speaking to me.
I think that's a little dangerous.
ian crossland
Have you taken psychedelics?
forrest cooper
No.
lydia smith
But to be consistent, if the act of salt dissolving in water is the process of God using like his power to make it happen, like continuing a scientific process, then how would it not be consistent to say that something like a lightning strike could be interpreted as God moving and acting?
forrest cooper
Let me rephrase myself then.
Yes, you're correct in that.
I will cede that point.
Yes, it is God chose that to happen at that point, at that time, in that place.
However, I don't necessarily... I think I need to be humble in recognizing, is that event happening, the significance of it, is so that I will think something, or I will see it.
Is it a sign, is the question I'm saying.
And I'm very, very cautious about seeing things as signs, because those are things that you have to take very seriously.
For example, if I say, God spoke to me and told me to do something or whatever, and I don't do it, I am either lying or that is an absolute sin.
Because I have irrefutable evidence within the construct of my mind that he came to me and said, drink that soda, and I don't drink that soda.
I'm just basically saying, well, you are not God anymore.
I don't care.
And it's a huge issue there.
lydia smith
But then on the flip side, if you say that God told me to do something and He did not, you are lying.
In my mind, that is the form.
That is literally speaking for God.
That is taking God's name in vain.
forrest cooper
Yeah, very much so.
And so it's one of those things where, like, when you address these issues from A very serious level.
If you take your faith seriously, you will not be flippant with lucid interpretations as if they're signs specifically from God telling you to do something.
Because you will take interpretation very, very, very seriously.
And that's where I see the big difference in.
ian crossland
I used to take signs too seriously.
It was driving me slowly insane.
Like I would see two birds flying and I'd be like, that means that I will find love.
You're going nuts, Crossland.
forrest cooper
Take a step back.
tim pool
He's become self-aware, everyone!
ian crossland
Maybe there is a grand, arcing, coercive plan, but I don't know.
forrest cooper
I think it falls in the same line of conspiracy theory in the sense of it produces some of the same effects.
It's just a religious version of it.
Because like, yeah, when you're seeing everything as the conspiracy of the Illuminati, you go crazy because you lose your ability to Do you think God functions with intention?
Absolutely.
Yeah, he's a person.
world because everything has to be seen through the lines of the conspiracy.
ian crossland
Do you think God has in functions with intention?
forrest cooper
Absolutely. Yeah, he's a person.
ian crossland
How would you define intention?
forrest cooper
I think we understand intention because we understand that God has a will.
I think I wouldn't say I understand my intention and I'm going to ascribe that to God.
I think that you and I, to you and I, we have intention because I have both desires and when I pick up this magazine, I'm picking it up to do something.
When I'm writing, if my writing is not an act of intention, if I'm not creating out of intent, am I creating?
No.
And so the act of creation itself is a sign of intent.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
How about we take some super chats?
ian crossland
I love it.
tim pool
If you have not already, give that like button a nice little tap, subscribe to this channel, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
I'm just looking forward to waking up on Monday and seeing that new site.
ian crossland
It looks really nice.
tim pool
Because within the next, I think next, what are we at?
About a week from now.
Week and a half.
We're gonna start working on the production for the new show.
The name has not been released yet.
We're gonna secure all the domains and all the social medias and all that stuff.
And then we're gonna actually have some writers who do, um...
I don't know what the right word is.
I don't want to say investigation, but like, you know, the X-Files.
I think the X-Files is kind of a cool way to think about it.
You guys have seen the X-Files, right?
forrest cooper
I'm aware of it.
tim pool
It's not just one thing.
It's kind of like looking in from a skeptic's point of view of what these things could possibly be and exploring these spooky stories and having fun with it.
So that's coming, baby!
Smash that like button.
Let's see what we got.
Michael Luce says, I'm an audio engineer and composer.
I've worked with the Tennis Channel WWE and wrote music for a local award, writing indie films.
Daily emails aren't getting your attention, so I knew I had to step it up.
More samples coming your way.
Well, the issue is, we might have somebody, and we have thousands of emails, and I can't answer all of them.
So, you know, I apologize, man.
It's...
It kind of sucks, you know?
Like, you're like, hey, I want to send my email in, but there's only so many people here who can actually read every email, and we literally couldn't do it.
ian crossland
It's kind of like if you're looking for a drop of water, and someone hands you a bucket of water, and you're like, where are all the drops?
They're all in there, but it just looks like water.
tim pool
It's like I said, I need a glass of water, and they handed me a bucket, so I took a cup, and I scooped out a cup of water, and all of that other water is saying, no, but I want to be in the cup.
It's a sign from God.
Like, you know, we're not we're not saying we're not happy with you being water, but you know, we can only fit so much
forrest cooper
in the cup It's a sign from God. That's right
tim pool
All right Let's see
Broken word says if the point of the show is to red pill Ian then the red pill is the only pill Ian hasn't tried
ian crossland
By his own admission. I want to go so deep So many things my mind's I would like to hear that chat
tim pool
again mate super chat again We need a meme of like all these different colored pills in
front of Ian Yeah, and then the next panel is he's eating them all and
he's just blasted out of his mind The red ones just sitting there like the one you didn't eat.
ian crossland
I Dude, I feel like I got red-pilled when I saw, what was it, Aaron Russo's, what did Aaron Russo do, that movie he did in 2007?
It wasn't Loose Change, was it?
Zeitgeist, Loose Change, all these things about 9-11, the war in Iraq, I feel like I got so red-pilled And now I just have to keep saying, like, most people didn't get it back then.
And I just like, yo, just stay cool, man.
Stay under the radar, chill, and find a solution.
But I would love to talk about some of this stuff.
I just don't talk about it on the show.
tim pool
All right.
Redeemed One says, my wife is a five foot tall Latina from Mexico who supported Trump months before I did.
She regularly buys Recoil Magazine and the looks she gets at checkout are priceless.
forrest cooper
Oh, thank you.
lydia smith
I'm happy to hear that.
forrest cooper
And by the way, you also can subscribe to the magazine on our website, Recoil Web.
That's the best way to get it for the best price consistently.
lydia smith
Awesome.
ian crossland
Do you ever put barcodes in the magazine that you can scan and it'll take you to a secret web page?
forrest cooper
Let's talk after.
ian crossland
I like it.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
unidentified
I like it.
tim pool
Chuckin Shank says, as a 26-year-old first-time father-to-be, the crew and the good people they are surrounding themselves with gives me great hope.
Thank you from the three of us.
lydia smith
Congratulations!
That's exciting.
ian crossland
Thank you.
tim pool
Doug Smith says, I just noticed someone gave you $5 more than me, so here's another $10.
Oh, there you go.
lydia smith
Unacceptable.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Menzikoski?
If trust is broken in one place, restrictions are imposed everywhere.
CCP and the Biden administration.
Interesting.
Keith McCracken says, I understand to some extent to why the Cuban people use the American flag as a symbol against their government.
What I think is that they need to create a flag to represent their freedom.
ian crossland
It was hot, though.
I was feeling you for a second, Lydia.
That was hot.
Did you guys feel how hot it was, like, 30 seconds ago?
lydia smith
Yeah, I was starting to kick up.
tim pool
We have a new air conditioner in the studio room.
Even though we're moving from this room to a new studio room, which is gonna be crazy.
ian crossland
It looks cool.
tim pool
The table's gonna be mounted to the ceiling.
ian crossland
Super creative guys working on it.
forrest cooper
So is it like hanging?
tim pool
It'll be hanging from like some bars.
The bars that we hang it from are gonna be used to mount the cameras and the lights and everything.
So it's gonna be really interesting.
We might have to put the cameras on the walls though.
We'll see how we get it.
lydia smith
It's gonna be fun!
tim pool
The room's technically a little bigger, but the ceiling's a standard ceiling, whereas this one we have this elevated ceiling, so it gives you, like, more space.
ian crossland
Yeah, this one's an A-frame.
The one down there is flat.
tim pool
Yeah.
Because this one's actually on top of that one.
lydia smith
It's true.
tim pool
But it'll be cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
The AC will make sense there.
Sorry about that, guys.
ian crossland
No worries.
I kind of like the temperature change.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Malzi says, Good evening, Timothy.
You have a tremendous responsibility to tell the truth.
Only put forth that which can withstand the onslaught.
Also, I'm relieved to see you don't wear toe rings.
Thanks, you.
Oh, is that because of the vlog?
ian crossland
I was like, they got a clip of your foot.
lydia smith
Yeah, I saw that.
tim pool
Yeah, because I was walking around on the mulberries.
When you go to pick mulberries, they're everywhere.
So your feet turn purple.
And then I made a joke about, like, someone got to put it on celebrity feet, I guess.
But they're all, like, covered in purple stains.
That was the joke.
lydia smith
That's weird.
tim pool
Weird, creepy, yeah.
forrest cooper
Mulberry only fans would count.
tim pool
I'm not a fan of mulberries.
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't like them.
The wine berries are good.
lydia smith
They're kind of boring, right?
tim pool
Yeah, they're pretty... The good news is, um, we got tons of pawpaw.
ian crossland
Oh, good.
tim pool
Yeah, we got a lot of pawpaw.
And it's hard to grow, so we're really excited for this.
forrest cooper
If you go to our sister page, Recoil Off-Grid, we do have articles.
One of them is Pawpaw's actually a really good survival food.
lydia smith
Perfect.
forrest cooper
So if you want to go for more of the survivalist side, it's all Off-Grid.
That's another magazine of ours.
lydia smith
Off-Grid looks cool.
forrest cooper
It's really neat.
tim pool
John Doe says, Mr. Poole, we've been trying to reach you about your vehicle's extended warranty.
ian crossland
It's all serious.
forrest cooper
It had to happen.
lydia smith
We used to get a bunch of those.
tim pool
Garant says, in regards to classifying the American left, they are race-based Marxists.
The progressive stack exemplifies a racial caste system.
Race-based Marxists support dehumanization to children.
RBM has more in common with Germany with salutes than USA.
RBM is evil.
Interesting.
A-da-da-da-da-do!
unidentified
Mm.
tim pool
People don't like Vosh.
Yep.
I know it.
People are saying a lot of stuff.
That's right.
Yep.
IroncladVR says, Wisdom was traded for intelligence.
Conversation on difficult ideas helped build wisdom and fine-tune our intelligence.
On a different note, I'm developing a game and want to work under the Timcast umbrella.
How do?
Send it to pitches at Timcast.com.
Let's see what that game is.
I will say, knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
lydia smith
What's that saying?
The continuation is that philosophy is trying to figure out if ketchup is a smoothie.
That sounds disgusting.
forrest cooper
That's awesome.
I have never heard that before.
lydia smith
I saw that the other day.
forrest cooper
I was like, oh yeah.
Well, as someone who went to school for philosophy, I'm both offended and impressed.
It's true.
lydia smith
It's accurate.
tim pool
But no, ketchup's not a smoothie.
lydia smith
How do you figure?
tim pool
Smoothies are cold?
No, because you don't throw tomatoes into a blender to make ketchup.
lydia smith
Oh, how do they make it?
tim pool
Well, first you have to get specific tomatoes.
They have to be reduced.
lydia smith
Cook it down.
tim pool
You cook it down.
You add sugar.
Then you get a tomato paste.
Then you mix like vinegar and spices.
ian crossland
And that is knowledge.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So to make a smoothie, you take, you can literally walk outside, grab it.
I'll make a tomato smoothie.
I'll walk outside, grab a bunch of tomatoes, throw them in the blender and then pour some ice in it, blend it up.
And I got a tomato smoothie.
ian crossland
Sounds pretty good.
tim pool
That's not the same thing.
If you took strawberries and you put them in a pot and you mashed them up and cooked them down.
You would get a jam.
lydia smith
Yeah, so it's more like a jam.
Yeah, than a smoothie.
ian crossland
But it's not ketchup's a jam, more of a jam.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
Because after you get the tomato paste, you then have to process it further.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
Super processed.
tim pool
Yeah, come on, come on.
lydia smith
All right, all right.
Sorry, sorry.
tim pool
Trying to pull this philosophy junk with ketchup.
forrest cooper
You didn't even get me started.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
What's mayonnaise?
lydia smith
Oh, gosh.
forrest cooper
Eggs?
tim pool
It's actually really- A puree?
Yeah, I've made mayonnaise before.
It's really fascinating.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's like, it's an emulsion.
tim pool
Yeah, that's crazy, isn't it?
unidentified
Yeah, it's like an opal.
forrest cooper
Then you said a rock.
It's an emulsion.
lydia smith
Okay, so rocks are emulsion.
I mean, opals are an emulsion as well.
unidentified
Really?
lydia smith
Which is why I love them.
The rock?
unidentified
Yeah!
lydia smith
How's that?
It's weird.
It's crazy.
We'll talk about this after.
It's really interesting.
We'll get into it.
tim pool
Daniel Bundrick says, leftism is what happens when someone decides to give in and just wear the golden handcuffs.
You know, um, I think it's a lot of, there's a reason young people are leftists, and it's because the establishment manipulates ignorant people to gain power.
And so, you can have someone like me, people are like, someone commented, Tim abandoned leftism or whatever, and I'm like, dude, what left and right means is nebulous, it's like tribal signifiers or whatever.
But you have young people who are very much pro-establishment, like that 18-year-old girl who went with the Biden administration to, like, support vaccines in children or whatever.
It's like, these kids would gladly go and cheer on the establishment, the state.
They graffiti Black Lives Matter.
You know, it's like, the joke I was making, it might as well be like writing walmart.com in graffiti, like, yeah!
F the establishment!
Pro-Walmart!
You're like, bro, that is the establishment.
What are you doing?
You're not fighting anybody, you're part of the machine!
But that's what they do.
They prey upon young people.
That's what you get.
So they grow up and then they're like, Hey, wait a minute.
That was BS.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Hopefully.
And it's not just the, the act of growing up that will, that will help you wake up.
You got to kind of look for it.
Maybe.
I did it anyway.
forrest cooper
You have to humble yourself.
lydia smith
You have to seek it out.
tim pool
Jonathan Galterini says, you just made the Amazon device go off in my house, go off across my house.
ian crossland
That's powerful.
tim pool
There was there was this big thing that happened when Google did a commercial where they said, you know, it's like whatever their catchphrase, call phrases for the device and then everyone's devices would turn on.
Oh.
Yeah, so now I think what they've done is all these voice-activated devices, when they do commercials, specifically program that sound not to trigger the device.
lydia smith
How interesting.
tim pool
But it was really annoying when I was watching TV and they would say the name of the thing and then it would turn on and go, I'm sorry, and I'd be like, fix your stupid crap.
forrest cooper
It's also kind of funny that they didn't see that happening.
lydia smith
I know, right?
forrest cooper
It makes sense why you wouldn't, but...
ian crossland
Yeah, Google I heard was very disorganized when they had Google Plus and YouTube, it would be like two, two hands not knowing what the other hand was doing.
And they were like developing two parallel systems that worked similar, but totally different.
lydia smith
That sounds right.
tim pool
You guys ready for this one?
I'm going to read this one.
I'm doing it.
lydia smith
Do it.
tim pool
To everybody who's got one of those Amazon devices, you're going to love this.
Alexa, Order Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds by Michael Knowles.
What you gonna say?
unidentified
She's talking to us right now.
tim pool
Can you guys hear that?
ian crossland
It's in the cart.
lydia smith
It's in the cart, but she didn't buy it.
unidentified
$19.
tim pool
How do I confirm it?
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Somebody super, so that was Rainek, who super chatted that.
And now I'm wondering how many people listening to the show are going, stop, stop.
Wow, that's powerful.
Michael's going to notice a huge spike in sales.
We sold 25,000 copies just instantly.
ian crossland
Ladies and gentlemen, it is in your cart.
lydia smith
That's right.
forrest cooper
Can you be held accountable?
I don't know.
So now they're like, Tim, I need you to pay my Amazon bill now.
tim pool
I was just reading a free speech.
ian crossland
I can say what I want.
It's Amazon's fault.
tim pool
So I'm curious.
People are chatting.
She's ordering at OMG.
Shut up, Alexa.
That Reynick that was the best I saw that and I was like if I read that she's gonna actually work.
ian crossland
Hey Yours is in your cart wasn't Yeah, it doesn't auto by just because you said it's a whole new version of mass media marketing perfect number one He's one of those people that I felt like I knew for a long like growing up kind of when I'm when I met Osama met him and I like that.
lydia smith
Did you ever listen to his podcast?
He's very personable.
ian crossland
Only a little bit.
forrest cooper
I catch snippets.
I've never met him.
unidentified
He's great.
ian crossland
He's super cool.
tim pool
Alright, let's read this.
We got Butters Oregano.
He says, just bought a used Springfield 1911 in 10mm and the previous owner committed sacrilege by putting, what does he say, Trijicon RMR on it?
forrest cooper
Trijicon RMR?
Yeah, he put a red nutside on it.
tim pool
Your thoughts on pistols with red dots, Forrest?
forrest cooper
They're the future.
If you're not going to get on that board, then you're just... Really?
Yeah, they're the future.
unidentified
Absolutely.
forrest cooper
Interesting.
I don't think they're going to be universal.
There are certain applications where it doesn't make sense, but you got to remember, like, that's not, it's kind of a new thing.
Putting red dots on pistols is sort of a, it's, it's, it's, it's in its adolescent years.
We're just starting to get, uh, handguns designed to be, to have a red dot sight on top of it.
It's easier to explain, but I mean, if, and if you know what I'm talking about, uh, most pistols have iron sights.
But this one here, this revolver, it's got a little red dot sight.
So if you think of like, you know, the revolver has one, but like everyday carry defense handguns are now coming either directly out of the box, like the Springfield Hellcat's a really good example, the RDP does.
That's it.
What I'm going to say is red dots, for those who are not, that are like hesitant of getting into red dots, they have a distinct set of advantages and a very small set of disadvantages.
tim pool
What are those?
forrest cooper
The higher end advantages is we're seeing generally that once you get past the growing curve, performance goes up pretty well.
Also, if you have to take shots at distance, the red dot is much faster.
Another really good example that I use is just for human mechanics.
When I'm using a pistol with iron sights, what I do is my eye looks at what my target is and then the focal plane comes back to the iron sight.
So my focal plane is actually on the iron sight.
When I'm using a red dot, I look at my target and I put the dot on it and I don't change my focal plane.
So from a biomechanical method, it does make some sense.
It's one less movement if you count moving your focal plane.
tim pool
You think the average person's accuracy would improve with a red dot on a handgun?
forrest cooper
Yes, with a caveat.
The growing curve, the learning curve on red dots mounted on handguns is awkward.
ian crossland
Why's that?
forrest cooper
Because it's it's the it's just I don't know how to say it otherwise it's you need to build the muscle memory which is not the right term I know don't go nuclear on me but you need to build the habitual movements because aligning iron sights is a lot easier because you know what when you when you're off you know where you're off because you know where the sights are whereas when you're off on the red dot when it's not in the window because your pistol's canted you don't know which way it is so you see people fishing for it And what you need to do is you need to spend the time dry firing.
It's not, it doesn't take long, in some models it's easier to get over that curve, but you need to practice with it until you can reliably, every time I draw that handgun and I present it, that dot is right in the center of that glass.
So much so that it's practiced.
Once you get past that curve, which, you know, it could be, can be accomplished with a hundred rounds and a decent amount of dry fire practice, which is just practicing without ammunition.
Otherwise, 500 rounds.
But it's a deliberate thing.
One of the reasons why a lot of people don't like red dots is because they don't want to put in the work to be able to use them.
Understandably so if you're very casual.
They also do have other downsides like they can be damaged by weather.
They can get dirty.
They require a battery.
These are all disadvantages, but those advantages are getting smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.
The Aimpoint Acro is a self-concealed little red dot that goes on a pistol.
It's not going to be damaged by the environment in the same way that a Trijicon RMR is.
So yeah, if it's a sacrilege to put it on, I'd say the first sacrilege is that it's a 10mm 1911.
tim pool
Yeah, I figured.
forrest cooper
But, I mean, you do you, boo.
tim pool
Alright, Patrick Conover says, Tim, railguns like flamethrowers and muzzleloaders are not classified as firearms and would likely similarly be unregulated, at least on a federal level.
Do you think muzzleloaders are classified as firearms by YouTube?
forrest cooper
Uh, yes.
They would do it.
And then the answer is, as soon as you could effectively produce railguns in your house, they'd become guns.
Right.
The moment that you can make them, then the government will be like, oh, hey, they're effective.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
What if, what if, you hear me out, you have, imagine this is a metal circle with pipes coming out.
There's, you know, so you've got three, you've got basically eight pipes, right?
And then you have a big magazine tube loaded with slugs, and what happens is a steam engine spins the disc rapidly, and the way it's made is that every time it comes around, a slug gets slinged.
It grabs it, then swings it as it spins rapidly.
Would that be a good idea?
That's a steam-powered machine gun.
ian crossland
I was just thinking, the Railgun is an electromagnetic sling.
Thank you for saying that word, sling.
tim pool
So what I'm describing has actually been built before.
Steam power spins this disc at a really high rate of speed, and then it grabs a slug and then whips it really fast and fires him forward.
ian crossland
That's similar to the Railgun.
tim pool
Steam-powered Gatling gun or something.
Crazy, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Is it considered ballistic if it's thrown?
Is that considered ballistic if you throw something?
forrest cooper
Well, ballistic doesn't refer to it being fired out of a projectile through pressure.
A ballistic is, it's a thing.
Something moving.
Yeah.
Ballistics is in regards to trajectory and impact of a projectile.
ian crossland
So it would be ballistic, a rail gun, but it's still not considered a gun or rail cannon or whatever.
I mean, they're called rail guns, right?
forrest cooper
A spinny steam thingy?
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Let's go back to that.
Spinny steam thingy.
tim pool
Jack's Mountain Tea Dude says, someone gave more than me again, so here's $35, which is the price of our essential oil for muscle soreness.
ian crossland
Ooh, that sounds good.
tim pool
Relieved.
Free local delivery.
Go Army.
unidentified
Nice.
forrest cooper
Good for them.
tim pool
Matt Bowler says, as I mentioned yesterday, you need to analyze the data further.
Metadata is incredibly important, as you know, Tim, considering your objective analysis of journalism.
We're going to eventually have some data journalists, too, so they can better go through the stuff than me and my surface-level opinion, which is probably full of inaccuracies.
Turk Longwell says, Tim, are you hard pivoting from civil war to balkanization?
Also, I do daily YouGov polls.
We, uh, we need more people taking them.
Be the voice.
Um, I mean, look, when I say things like that, it's usually meant to be like a, hey, this thing's possible if these things keep happening.
A lot of people seem to think that if I say something where it's like, wow, this kind of thing happening is like, puts us on this track.
They're like, Tim has predicted this will happen.
Then something funny happens.
When it does happen, they're like, you predicted this.
And I'm like, I just gave a bunch of vague possibilities.
It's like Nostradamus, man.
Not hard to do.
But then when it doesn't happen, they're like, you said it would happen.
I'm like, I kind of didn't.
I can't see the future, man.
I'm just saying, like, I think some things are more possible.
So I, you know, I was talking with Sean Fitzgerald the other day, like after the show, and I was just like, Everything we've seen since the start of the culture war has only gotten worse.
Considering that keeps happening, I'm inclined to believe it will get worse.
That doesn't mean the world's gonna end, our lives are gonna suck.
Like, people live through these things and they get by.
I think people will individually be fine.
As a whole, though, the United States will experience some dark times.
I mean, look what's happening with the White House being like, we're overtly colluding with big tech to censor people and we're gonna make it worse.
Like yeah, who would have thought we'd come to that point when we saw big tech censoring someone for saying learn to code that it would turn into the White House press secretary saying we want cross-platform censorship for anybody posting information that is inaccurate.
It's like, wow, that escalated somewhat quickly.
ian crossland
Yeah, I would say so.
tim pool
So I always say this.
Hey, maybe today's the day that everyone just lays down their figurative sword and says, I don't want to be engaged in the political battles anymore.
I want to hug my neighbor and we're going to hold hands and sing into the sunshine.
Is that, is it possible?
Sure.
I just don't think that's likely.
ian crossland
Right, because the real thing is when people stop thinking and have clear thought and have no thought.
That's when we're really going to find human peace.
It's not thinking, I love you, I want, I want.
It's when there is no thought.
We will get there eventually.
Maybe not all of us, but you can.
forrest cooper
We will achieve human peace when we're all dead?
ian crossland
No, no, just in a meditative state.
When we're able to control our thoughts and not have these wild thoughts just pop into our head constantly.
When you can clear your mind and have access to your emotions.
forrest cooper
I think that would be when we have the moral discipline to not engage in immoral activity.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
And humility.
When you go and you confess, confession helps that a lot.
Clear your mind.
tim pool
All right.
Rye Lyon says, my son was born this week.
He is the joy of my life already.
This super chat is for him.
That it helps you keep this country free and the culture American.
You are doing the right thing for your child by supporting our work.
I mean that.
I'm half kidding.
I think we do good work here and I think we're going to continue to do good work and I'm going to try my best and everybody on the TempCast team is going to try to present a reasonable, pragmatic, and principled approach to providing people with information so they can make up their minds as to what they think should be happening.
But right now the media apparatus today is we should just frame things in a way that people do things that we want.
That's called lying to people.
Congratulations!
forrest cooper
Yeah, so if somebody does something that is good, if you lie to someone and they do something that is good, do they get the credit of morality?
If they're not doing it by their own will?
ian crossland
That's kind of like the end of, what's that movie with Dr. Manhattan?
forrest cooper
Watchmen?
Watchmen.
ian crossland
They lied, Ozymandias lied to the human race to prevent world war.
Did he do the right thing?
What was your question exactly?
tim pool
Deontology versus utilitarianism.
forrest cooper
Yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
Simply put, right?
ian crossland
Like if you're lying to prevent a tragedy, are you good?
tim pool
The needs of the many.
Do you believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
ian crossland
No, not necessarily.
That was Spock.
tim pool
That was Spock.
That's utilitarianism.
ian crossland
Yeah, because the many can overrun.
tim pool
Typically the villains hold those views.
ian crossland
The needs of the many over...
tim pool
That way the needs of the few, like the bad guy in Kingsmen.
ian crossland
Yeah, too many is as bad as too few, so you gotta be careful.
forrest cooper
Well, another way you could reform utilitarianism is that we are capable of measuring the net goodness and we determine whether a thing is moral or immoral if it produces a net goodness.
So, if I kill 10,000 people to save 100,000 people, well, 100,000 people survive, so that's a net good.
That's the ultimate dilemma of utilitarianism is, okay, well, no, we actually don't think that way.
tim pool
There is a train coming, and there are five people tied to the train track.
ian crossland
Get them.
Save them all.
tim pool
And as the train's coming, you walk over and there's a lever.
If you pull the lever, it will divert the train onto a new track with only one person.
You will save the five, but kill the one.
Do you pull the lever?
ian crossland
Probably.
tim pool
So that person would survive if you don't intervene.
He's safe.
ian crossland
Yeah, but I'm not going to let five people die for no reason.
Dude, what a terrifying situation.
That's being the American president is what it seems like.
Who's gonna live?
That's your decision.
tim pool
This person on the off track is safe.
You would have to condemn them to death to decide those five people deserve to live.
ian crossland
That's brutal, man.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Most people say they wouldn't pull the lever.
They would let the five people die.
ian crossland
They just wouldn't get involved.
Well, doing nothing is also a choice, so... It's not about not getting involved.
tim pool
It's about taking action that would kill a person.
Right now, it's like, something happened that set this course of action that will kill five people, and I have to tell that person's family I killed him to save those people.
ian crossland
Like, if it was... Because I think if it is a very base level, if I'm forming a tribe, Having five more people in the tribe is probably going to be a lot better than having one more person, if it's just me.
Like, the six of us can get a lot done, build houses, irrigation.
Me and that one person, good luck.
forrest cooper
You're still making an argument out of utility.
It does come into a problem.
Another format of the issue, too, would be if I threaten you with violence and have the capacity to do it, if I figuratively point a gun at you and then give you one and tell him to point it at Ian and tell you to do Do Ian in, are you considered, are you morally held liable for your decision?
unidentified
Yes.
forrest cooper
Yes, absolutely.
You chose to value your own life over your morality and the life of Ian.
tim pool
My favorite meme is, there's two memes in the Trolley Problem that are my favorite.
One is, it's one track, loaded with people, and the trolley's just mowing them all down, and it says, the trolley can stop at any time, but it would disrupt corporate profits to the shareholders.
That was good.
But then the other one is the train is on like, it's a fully drawn picture and the train's going through a tunnel and there's like mountains and there's one guy who's dead and one guy standing there and it says, you've finally defeated the man who's been tying all these people to the train tracks.
It's all over.
forrest cooper
That one gets my respect.
lydia smith
I like those.
It's gorgeous.
tim pool
It's all over.
lydia smith
All right.
tim pool
Crandall Logan says, just join the website and can't wait for the new one to drop.
Will it be easier to search videos by guest?
Because I was looking for a specific video on YouTube and it was probably censored and was having trouble searching for it on your website.
It will be way easier.
So right now, We have like a placeholder website that we implemented.
And now we have like big dev working, like a great team working on this new website so that you can easily search by topic, by name, all that stuff.
So, uh, it should definitely be a lot easier, but I will say our, our soft launch, our target is for Monday.
Could change.
We'll see.
Even when we do launch, that's when the bugs happen.
And then we get a thousand emails from people like, Hey, this bug happened.
And then we're like, Oh, what are we doing?
We're desperately trying to fix it and help everybody.
Cause you know how website launches go.
lydia smith
Right.
But we're going to title by guest name, right?
tim pool
We do.
We do.
Yeah.
There you go.
lydia smith
So that should help.
ian crossland
Is there a search mechanism on the new site?
Yes.
tim pool
You should be able to just type in the guest name and it should pop up.
ian crossland
Awesome.
tim pool
Yeah.
And there's also recommended feeds for the videos too.
So like old ones will surface again and we're going to be improving SEO.
you'll be able to find these videos and there's a better mechanism for which we can publish some
of them for free or like demo so like if there's a really important conversation we're having that
we think shouldn't be behind a paywall we can make it as like a free trial for people to like
ian crossland
so important to see a preview like a like a two or three minute preview from a video
We're definitely going to decide if they want to sign up.
tim pool
We're working on a mobile app where people can listen with the screen off when your phone's asleep.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
And we're working on previews for the episodes and things like that.
ian crossland
That's cool.
That's a selling point.
The preview is a selling mechanism.
tim pool
Brandon Acock says, has Ian read A History of Money and Banking in the United States by Murray Rothbard?
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
If not, it might dramatically increase his mentioning of the Federal Reserve after reading it.
unidentified
Oh no.
tim pool
Yeah, Dave Smith and... He's a famous anarchist, huh?
ian crossland
Murray Rothbard?
Possibly.
Dave Smith spoke very highly of him.
Carol was also talking about him.
Yeah, apparently.
Murray Rothbard.
tim pool
Oh, man.
It's so difficult to get through every single super chat, but we tried.
Kenny Blankenship said, just watched Lex Friedman's latest podcast with Michael Malice.
Michael broke down while talking about the Nazi invasion of Russia.
It was a powerful and surreal moment.
I was floored.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Did you guys see that?
I saw that.
They were talking about this song about when the Germans invaded Operation Barbarossa, and all of a sudden, all these people were living their lives.
And then at four o'clock, the bombs started dropping.
And it's like how fast things can change.
And Mike's... Michael's... Mike... I call you Mike, buddy.
His grandma was there.
Wow.
And his great-grandmother... This wasn't that day, I don't think, but had to make a choice to dive... Her son and her daughter were both there, and she dove on her son to protect him.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
And his grandmother, her daughter, remembered that her whole life, that his great-grandmother chose her brother.
I'm actually... Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
That sounds... Wow.
ian crossland
Amazing.
That's another part of his talks about anarchy.
I get it coming from the Soviet system of how a government can go horribly wrong.
Now I see how he can see the value in anarchy so much more.
tim pool
Alright, JacksMtnTeaDude says my first superchat didn't get read, so none of my superchats make sense.
JacksMtnTea is a disabled veteran-owned tea company, and we'd love to sponsor you, but there's no email on your about page.
lydia smith
Pitches?
tim pool
No, there, it could be on, uh, it should be.
If you go to youtube.com slash Timcast, my other channel, it's definitely there.
So, um, check that one out for sure.
I will say about Michael Malice, man, that dude is so positive.
He's so upbeat, you know?
He just, you can't get him down.
He's laughing the whole time.
He's, he's, he's having fun with it.
lydia smith
He's seen hard things.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
lydia smith
That's why.
tim pool
Hard times make strong men, huh?
unidentified
There you go.
ian crossland
He's like a white wizard.
lydia smith
That's right.
White pillar.
forrest cooper
Back to Final Fantasy.
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
Already back there.
tim pool
Blackrock Beacon says, Do you believe man and God can disagree,
and that man can influence God's will?
If not, what about Abraham arguing with God to spare Sodom and Gomorrah,
and God conceding to him?
This is a common theme in the Old Testament.
ian crossland
I think so.
I think that's why prayer functions, personally.
tim pool
Or, perhaps it was not that God was conceding to him, but that God was absolutely willing or intending to spare Sodom and Gomorrah for those reasons, but needed man to come to the understanding as to why.
lydia smith
So my parents actually said that they were testing his faith by asking him to do that.
They brought up the example of him being asked to sacrifice his son as well.
Like that's an insane thing to ask a parent, especially someone who's waited so long for a son.
ian crossland
I was practicing this thing where instead of saying words, I would think them to someone like, hello.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And it would have a similar effect that they could read the body language.
So it would have like a form of communication.
And then I started to think that I was tapping into, like, there's a collective consciousness and you can, like, hijack it and, like, command it almost.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I don't really buy into the collective consciousness as, like, a hive mind.
I really don't buy into that.
I think when we talk about collective consciousness, it's just trends across generations.
Like, it's consistencies.
Like, that's what I think of it as.
It's not prescriptive.
It's descriptive.
And then, yeah, man has to wrestle.
God allows man to wrestle with God so that they know that he is God.
tim pool
Oh yeah, absolutely.
And BearPost says, many founding fathers wrote and believed that the Constitution will not
work for a people that don't have religious morals or good principles.
This is mandatory, and that's what we've lost generationally.
I agree.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
People just want stuff.
forrest cooper
I mean, it's not even that they just want stuff, like you were talking about earlier.
Some people think that it is morally good for a young child to strip in front of other people.
They think it is good.
They will call good evil and they will call evil good.
ian crossland
Is it that they think the stripping is good or that his right to choose to do it is what's good?
tim pool
They think that he's advocating for marginalized people and so that what he's doing is proving something about the rights of individuals or whatever and I'm just like kids taking off their clothes for money is wrong.
All right.
FICO Krusk says, on the topic of dumb laws, in the city of Chico, California, detonating a nuclear device within city limits results in a $500 fine.
Oh, wow.
Wow.
Well, there you go.
That'll stop people.
Also, could you imagine?
It's like after the apocalypse, somebody, like, travels several months by, like, sail.
They make it to Russia.
They find the totally destroyed Kremlin, and there's, like, a Vladimir Putin with his uniform all just destroyed.
His suit's ripped and tattered, and he's sitting there, and he's, like, all weak and injured.
And the guy walks up to him and goes, I've traveled for three months to give you this."
And then he slams a ticket on the table and says, $500 fine.
unidentified
And then Putin pays it.
tim pool
He also says, also, did you ever receive the signed copy of Doctor Strange I sent you?
I didn't!
It could be in the mail.
We gotta go get that mail picked up.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm going on Monday.
tim pool
Oh, okay, cool.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's me.
tim pool
And then, uh, you know, I think we'll start opening the mail on the vlog.
I was thinking like Sundays we do mail day.
Cause we can send some cool stuff.
We can send artwork all the time.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I want to, I want to showcase some of it.
tim pool
Yeah.
So go to, go to, if you go to timcast.com in the about section, there's a PO box and we're going to start opening up the mail and showcasing it.
And, uh, that means some weird stuff will probably end up and that's what's fun about it.
I get a lot of manifestos.
ian crossland
People write personal, like this is what I believe.
tim pool
Dude, I've had people write books and send me, like, just to me.
Like, it's like, here's a letter for you, Tim.
Please read it.
It's 150 pages.
unidentified
I'm like, dude, I can't read this.
tim pool
I respect the work, man.
forrest cooper
Can you send me the audiobook version?
tim pool
Oh, that's a good idea.
Big stacks of people being like, I wrote this up in response to what you're saying.
And I'm like, dude, that is a lot of work to do.
You should maybe publish that on your own website or something.
unidentified
Yeah, that'd be good.
tim pool
Because I can't read that.
I've got time.
lydia smith
As an aside for the address, there is an S on the end of the zip code.
You do not need this S. Leave it off.
tim pool
Well, I'll get it fixed on the new website by Monday.
lydia smith
Exactly.
It confuses the post office.
I talked to them about it.
tim pool
David Meese says, hey Tim, if you know the channel MXR, their entire channel has been demonized?
Demonetized.
I was like, demonized?
ian crossland
Can't say demonetized without demon.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
Mixer.
Is that MXR?
tim pool
MXR?
lydia smith
I've never heard of it.
Yeah, that sucks though.
tim pool
Jay Stewart says, Tim, a tomato-based fruit salad is salsa.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Interestingly, they do put mango in salsa.
ian crossland
Oh, it's so good, too.
tim pool
I know.
Yeah.
Mango habanero salsa, dude.
ian crossland
So good.
A little corn in there.
forrest cooper
It can be good.
It's not always good.
unidentified
True.
lydia smith
Needs to be done right.
tim pool
Slug Pudding says, ketchup is tomato icing.
forrest cooper
You might be right.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I can make tomato icing.
I can legit make a tomato icing.
lydia smith
Please don't.
tim pool
I have tomato jam.
We made tomato jam.
We bought tomato jam from a farmer's market and you put it on grilled cheese.
It's fantastic.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
We put tomato jam.
It's different.
lydia smith
It's like bacon jam, right?
tim pool
No vinegar in it.
Yeah, bacon jam.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So, ketchup is a savory sauce.
lydia smith
It's a sauce, yeah.
tim pool
It's a sauce.
ian crossland
Salty, a little vinegar.
tim pool
Yeah.
I would like to take a... You know what would be interesting?
To take a ketchup recipe, but do it with strawberries.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
That'd be cool.
tim pool
Like vinegary and savory.
ian crossland
Concentrated strawberries.
Yeah.
tim pool
Or... I'm excited for the pawpaw.
We're gonna make pawpaw bread.
lydia smith
Pawpaw ketchup.
tim pool
No, we're not gonna make pawpaw ketchup.
lydia smith
No, why not?
tim pool
But I read that you can substitute pawpaw for banana in any recipe.
Yeah, we'll do like a pawpaw bread.
And we're gonna plant the seeds.
ian crossland
Did you see the blue bananas?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
They taste like ice cream.
unidentified
Get them overseas, like in Malaysia or something.
forrest cooper
I think I saw a picture, but that's about it.
ian crossland
Could have been fake news.
forrest cooper
I don't really like bananas that much.
ian crossland
I taste like penicillin.
tim pool
Alejandro Campos says, for the app, I've had the membership, but rarely watch the extra content because I have to have the window open.
I am a trucker, so I don't like having the internet window open while I drive.
That's definitely one of our top priorities, but that means we have to get the app out first, and there's two things we're going to do.
Start uploading not just the video version, but an audio version right beneath it, so you can press play and do audio only.
I think Rumble might have something like that, I'm not sure, but we need the new site to launch before we can start implementing these things.
A lot of people just listen, they don't actually watch the video of the bonus content, so we want to do an audio only version.
It's way cheaper on bandwidth, so it's better for us in the long run.
And then the only way to make it so that you can listen to the show with the phone off is if we do a mobile app, and that's going to be another, like, two months of development.
ian crossland
I've heard that if you use Brave, you can minimize it, put your phone off, and you can still listen to it.
Really?
I've never tested it, but yeah, I've heard this in comments repeatedly.
tim pool
I think that's what it is.
Well, the Brave browser is fantastic.
We're big fans of the Brave browser.
We use the Brave browser.
It disables a lot of tracking, much like the Freedom phone is saying they're going to be doing.
Haven't tried the Freedom phone, I want to make sure I state that.
But Brave's legit.
Brave's super cool.
unidentified
I love Brave.
Big fan.
tim pool
Big fan of Brave.
I've used it for everything.
Yeah, Duck, Duck, Go.
ian crossland
It's my number one.
Brave.
tim pool
Yes, sir!
ian crossland
We should get those dudes on the show someday.
The brave dudes.
tim pool
Oh yeah, we probably could.
lydia smith
Yeah, I bet.
tim pool
Alright.
Card995 says, you guys should play Trial by Trolley on Steam.
That sounds great.
Oh, we gotta watch that movie, Hero, with Jet Li.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanna watch that.
All right, let's see, we'll do a couple more.
Steven13 says, you know the Soviets abused German civilians.
German women were abused by the Red Army in ways I can't say on YouTube.
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
For sure.
Jerome Morrow says, for the next show, instead of talking, just use the collective consciousness and just think your comments to each other.
ian crossland
I actually have YouTube videos of me doing that if you want to go back into my old catalog on the CrossMac channel.
tim pool
I am so excited for this new show we're doing on the mysteries and the ghost stories and stuff.
Because so the format is gonna be there's gonna be about a 15 minute show with sound effects and everything like legit We're gonna have Shane who's writing who writes these stories, and they're brilliant and amazing stories, dude I was just I'm reading through them.
I can't put him down.
We're gonna make books based off the stories We're gonna do collections of these these investigations We're gonna have like when he's talking telling a story about you know driving You'll hear like the engine when he tells a story about like walking in a store You'll hear like the bell ring of a door opening.
It's gonna be a real show and And then followed by for members a hangout conversation
talking about it.
So the free show for everybody which will be on like YouTube and iTunes and Spotify
will be like a 15 to 20 minute series.
And then people who are members get to hang out with the crew as they investigate, explore
and conversation deeper like what does that mean?
How did you find this?
And make it a real hangout.
I'm so excited.
It's going to be amazing.
I'm actually wondering if that could actually become more prominent than doing the political
show because it's more entertainment value.
ian crossland
It works in tandem too.
They all kind of work like a net of items.
tim pool
It's gonna be fun, man!
And then once we do sports, we're gonna do tech, video games, movies.
The next show we're planning is gonna be cultural commentary, so that's more so like, Black Widow came out!
Let's talk about Black Widow.
Did you see the movie?
Here's what I like and didn't like about it.
Spoiler alert!
And just generally watching movies, playing video games.
And then we're doing the D&D show.
The D&D show will probably come before that.
ian crossland
So that's going to be once a week where we have... So I'm looking for a DM or people that want to get involved, but I need like a video, a link to some video you've done of D&D, just something that I can see so I can see you in action.
Because seeing your text, like a text thing isn't enough to get a feel for your work.
So I know it's weird, because most people don't record themselves doing it.
tim pool
Should people reach out to you if they're DMs?
ian crossland
You can, yeah.
It's just text isn't good enough.
I need to get a feel for your work and your style, so to see it on a video helps a lot.
tim pool
I just mean, because normally we're like, go to jobs at Timcast, but I'm not going to be a good judge of a DM.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, definitely hit me up on Twitter or Mines or something with your content.
tim pool
This show's gonna be fun because the idea is to have scenarios, like the stories, based around some kind of sociopolitical,
like in some way related to the modern culture war and stuff like that.
And then have people explore the situations, much like the trolley problem, see how they would react to them and how
they respond and you roll the die.
ian crossland
They're gonna be censoring the scrying glasses, you won't be able to see certain types of information.
forrest cooper
So you'll have a king or emperor who will say, well, you don't need swords because we have nukes and F-15s.
tim pool
Yep.
No, they'll be like... Implicit.
Your swords are pathetic.
You can't stop us.
You would need fire staffs and lightning rods.
forrest cooper
And dragons.
ian crossland
Which are illegal.
How convenient.
tim pool
Dragons.
Yep.
Which they control.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Contraband.
And then you actually have a scenario where you have, if we have like, you know, five or six players going up against one dragon and then, you know, we'll see what happens.
But it's, you know, look, for people who aren't familiar with D&D, it's mostly a bunch of people hanging out and like laughing and joking and like We'll be exploring a lot of philosophical and moral, you know, ideas with the show.
Someone emailed me saying we can't do individual scenarios.
It needs to be like a series, like 13 episodes that explore one story, kind of like a show.
And that's actually a really good idea because then basically if someone writes 13 episodes basically, It's almost like watching a TV show, like, oh man, what's gonna happen next?
ian crossland
They call it a campaign in D&D language, and that's usually the way you work.
Some people go for years with one campaign, you know, from level one to level 30.
Every four weeks, they'll get together and play a campaign.
I think you could maybe do different ones every week.
You could hop into sliders into different bodies, but I think the campaign's the way.
tim pool
I like the idea of doing a 13-episode campaign so it's like a show.
And you're like, oh man, what's what's going to happen to Ian?
unidentified
Oh, dude, like Ian just got turned into a chicken.
tim pool
What's going to happen next?
And then it's like, you know, I got better.
Yeah.
You turned me into a newt.
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And we have a couple of them want to work here.
And they're people you may have heard of, so it's gonna be really exciting because we're gonna be adding tons and tons of people to the team, producing more and more content, and then that way when I'm like old and feeble, there will be something that persists outside of just the shows that I've been doing.
There'll be other shows, so that's gonna be epic.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL on Facebook and Instagram, at TimCast underscore IRL on TikTok, And we'll be back tomorrow morning with the vlog, which is... I don't know if I can actually say the... There's stuff in that video that's, like, naughty.
Because we made a joke.
We combined rollerblades with... They're called roller skis.
And so I combined the word ski and street into one word, and I think YouTube might not be happy with what that word is, but it's in the show anyway, so... YouTube.com slash Castcastle.
We have a bunch of episodes up.
That vlog is going to go daily, where you see us hanging out today.
Ian had a huge crew outside picking wine berries to make wine wine.
ian crossland
Forest went deep.
Did we talk about that?
We didn't talk about that in the show.
forrest cooper
Oh, we did.
ian crossland
Forest went beyond the edge of the forest.
forrest cooper
I did have a Ranger School flashback.
tim pool
And you can follow me personally at Timcast.
You want to shout out anything, Forrest?
forrest cooper
Yeah, so for our digital publications, it's recoilweb.com and offgridweb.com.
And then if you go to Gun Digest, the Gun Digest website, that is where you can pre-order our DIY firearms book.
We are running out, so get there quick.
My personal Instagram is at foxroe underscore official, F-O-X-R-O-E.
It's the only nickname that really stuck.
But yeah, and by recall.
If you want to see some of the stuff we're doing, subscription is the best way to do it.
But yeah, I'm happily here to answer questions about firearms and do what I do.
ian crossland
Cool.
Always awesome to see you, man.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
ian crossland
Hey, follow me at Ian Crossland.
You guys rock.
Thank you for coming.
IanCrossland.net if you want to check out my website and get a little portal into all my socials.
But otherwise, Ian at Ian Crossland.
Hit me up anywhere.
Thanks.
lydia smith
And you guys, I do have to issue a clarification on what I said earlier about opals and mayonnaise and the connection therewith.
Opals are a colloid, not a suspension.
Mayonnaise is a suspension because it's a liquid in a liquid.
So you guys should look it up and educate yourselves on that.
Opals are fascinating.
Other gems are also very beautiful, have a really cool chemistry background.
You guys can follow me on Twitter, at Sour Patch Lids, as I attempt to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We'll see you tomorrow at youtube.com slash castcastle.
And after that, we'll be back Monday for this show at 8pm.
Have a good weekend.
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