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July 19, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Australia DEPORTS Katie Hopkins As COVID Lockdowns Make Comeback w/Travis Corcoran
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tim pool
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tim pool
Things are getting a bit spicy up in France.
Over 100,000 people were protesting in the streets.
Many of them were rioting.
A vaccination center was set on fire and several others were vandalized because Emmanuel Macron has introduced a law that if you cannot prove you are vaccinated, you will get up to six months in prison.
If you run an establishment open to the public and you do not have, if you are not checking people, if they're vaccinated, you will get up to a year in prison.
Well, naturally, people are not happy with this.
And I talked about this earlier on my other channel, but this is... Well, COVID cases are on the rise basically everywhere.
People are scared of the Delta variant, and now we're seeing draconian measures, like in France.
Over in Australia, we're getting mixed signals, I suppose.
Katie Hopkins has been deported, because apparently she broke quarantine or something like that.
And a bunch of other celebrities have come in and been given special leeway and special access, but I'm not super concerned necessarily about the double standard at this point, because we know that exists.
I suppose I'm more concerned about with whether or not the rise in COVID cases, the Delta variant, is going to result in more lockdowns, which Joe Biden says, well, it's not off the table.
So we'll talk about this, and we're going to talk a lot about, I guess, why we don't like cities.
And we're being joined by a homesteader and author, Travis Corcoran.
Do you want to introduce yourself real quick?
travis corcoran
Sure.
Thanks, Tim.
So I am a homesteader and I am an author.
My day job is, you know, 50 hours a week as a software engineer.
And, you know, homesteading is something that, on the one hand, I do on the weekends.
That's when I'm out fixing the tractor and planting the pumpkins and butchering the pigs and all that sort of stuff.
But it also impacts one's entire life, sort of Monday through Friday, in that, you know, my wife and I talk a lot about how we really love the fact that, you know, 50% of our food comes right off the farm and every morning the bacon is from our pigs.
tim pool
Can you pull your mic up a little bit?
unidentified
Sorry.
travis corcoran
Sure.
Sorry.
And, you know, the eggs are from there and, you know, when we make whatever, even tacos, that's, you know, coming from beef that I've processed.
And then there's also a lot of resiliency to living on a homestead, which ties into the whole COVID thing.
And, you know, this is, I'm here to some degree to talk about some books that I've written, Escape the City Volumes 1 and 2.
And the timing was perfect on this because when COVID hit, you know, a whole lot of people in the cities, their lifestyles just, you know, turned terrible.
And there's obviously the whole real estate realignment that's going on right now where real estate prices are absolutely crashing in every city core.
And you're seeing, you know, huge price run ups in other places as, you know, half the country redistributes where it wants to live.
tim pool
They're fleeing the city.
travis corcoran
Right.
Yeah.
tim pool
And so it's good to hear that they're taking Jack Posobiec's advice and my advice.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
And your advice.
Escape the city.
travis corcoran
Hopefully.
The Kickstarter did well, and the book's now up on Amazon, so the advice is there for anyone who wants it.
tim pool
We're gonna talk a lot about what's going on with this lockdown stuff.
I mean, this stuff in France is absolutely draconian, but then an optimistic solution.
Because I've been saying this a long time, like, I actually was saying this today.
It's so amazing.
I'm looking out my window when I'm recording these videos.
Forest.
There's, like, deer running around.
They're doing deer stuff.
And then I see him, like, going for the paw-paw and I'm, like, getting nervous, like, ooh, they're gonna take it.
But apparently, we don't have to worry because they're not ripe yet, so the deer won't go near them.
I just gotta make sure we get them before the deer take them.
But it's a lot of fun, so we'll talk about this stuff.
Ian's chillin'.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was out in the woods over the weekend, I think it was over the weekend, picking some wineberries, and man, I was getting scratched up by the brambles, getting my hair caught in the twigs, and it felt great!
I felt alive!
I felt connected with nature.
I felt like it was enhancing my immune system by giving me just a little bit of those cuts, you know?
A little bit of that dirt.
tim pool
As long as you had washed it off.
ian crossland
Then I went and took a shower.
I feel like a million bucks.
Ian Crosland in the house.
What up, everybody?
lydia smith
And I am also here.
I did not go out and find wine berries, but I'm really excited to try this wine wine once it's done.
I'm really curious what it tastes like.
tim pool
Wine wine.
So wine berries are a local, well actually they're not local, they're an invasive Asian variant of raspberries and they're everywhere in Appalachia.
So you drive down the road and you see red berries everywhere.
They're amazing.
You just pop them right off.
And so we're going to make a little bit of wine wine.
ian crossland
I'm super excited.
travis corcoran
You have better invasive species here in the Maryland, D.C.
area than we have up in New Hampshire.
We've got Japanese knotweed and bittersweet, and I am out there, you know, every weekend with a pick and shovel, digging that stuff up.
tim pool
You know, at first, we have stink bugs, too, and they're everywhere.
They're insane.
And at first, I was upset about it.
Then we got chickens.
Now it's like, ooh, a stink bug.
Food for the chickens.
And they love the little things, man.
So we'll get into all that stuff, but we're gonna start dark, and then move into the more optimistic.
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Now, let's read this first story and talk about what's going on.
We got this from TimCast.com.
Australia sends mixed signals on who is permitted to enter the country, deports Katie Hopkins.
They say despite permitting the arrival of celebrities... Come on, Tim Kast, get a copy editor.
The government has not brought home 40,000 Australians.
Now the article basically goes on to mention that there are many celebrities flying in like, you know, you've got to what they say Nicole Kidman flew in, you have Lachlan Murdoch and Keith Urban were among the elite group have been allowed to travel back to the country via private plane.
They were also permitted to quarantine at their private homes.
They go on to mention that British commentator Katie Hopkins, who was also in Australia to film Big Brother, was deported for comments she made online about breaking the country's quarantine regulations.
So we've seen a lot of this lockdown stuff going on, and now basically the story is Australia is prolonging its COVID-19 lockdown in Victoria amid the Delta outbreak.
So this is the excuse by which they're saying everyone's got to quarantine again if you're flying into the country.
And it kind of...
I gotta say, it is awfully convenient if you are a proponent of the Great Reset.
Are you familiar with the Great Reset?
Oh, absolutely.
It's awfully fortuitous, I suppose, for those who are fans of the Great Reset and those who have advocated for it, that we can't travel to places anymore.
That people are deported if they, you know, they break quarantine.
I get it.
The country has laws.
Australia is allowed to deport who they want, I suppose.
But now they're prolonging this.
Now there's fears of, you know, the Delta variant outbreak.
And I'm just, you know, I'm curious.
You mentioned In the intro, we're talking about people fleeing these cities.
What's your what's your I guess your prediction on where we go?
travis corcoran
Sure.
You know, I've got some thoughts about the current month in the current year, but we were talking before the show rolled about, you know, I think the world is changing in a really fundamental and big way and the kind of thing that you don't see every year.
I mean, sure, things change, you know, one year and the next.
But, you know, I think that every 500 years or so, things really, really change.
And we saw that, you know, Around 500 years ago with the invention of the printing press, which led to the rise of Protestantism and religious wars, and then eventually the Westphalian nation-states coming up and replacing feudalism.
And, you know, I think the internet and the new modes of communication technology right now are, you know, and this isn't a story from like last year or two years, it's, you know, 30 years, 50 years, but the world is really changing fundamentally, and I think we're going to see changes at about the same scale.
So I think that people are escaping the cities right now, and that's going to accelerate over the coming years.
But that's just one component of a much bigger change in currency and lifestyles and economies and how states and people are organized on the planet.
tim pool
Do you think it's intentional?
Like there are people who are actively trying to kill off cities?
travis corcoran
Obviously.
Well, you know, there's intention out there and there's emergent stuff.
I don't think that the elites who are pushing the Great Reset and the whole, you know, live in the pod, eat the bugs, want people to escape the cities.
You know, they're saying, hey, you know, our system is already 80% along and we just need to tune it a little more.
We need, you know, more green energy, even though windmills are sort of a terrible technology and nuclear is much better.
And we need more sustainable foods.
And by sustainable, they're always talking about bugs.
And never about, you know, raising pigs and chickens and, you know, eating wine berries.
tim pool
They're saying not to eat pigs and chickens.
travis corcoran
Right, right.
tim pool
Saying to eat the bugs.
travis corcoran
Right, right.
tim pool
Did you see that story out of Leesburg, Virginia, where the guy was serving cicadas?
travis corcoran
I did not.
tim pool
He was like going into his side of his house and picking them off.
And then I guess the health department was like, dude, you can't pick bugs off the side of your house and serve it to people.
So he ordered cicadas.
Right.
I guess they were from China.
So it clearly defeats the purpose of eating sustainable bugs from the floor.
travis corcoran
Ship them in by air or something.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
Just eat the centipedes.
Yeah.
So anyway, sorry, I don't know.
travis corcoran
So I think your question was, was this intentional to get people to flee the cities?
And I think what's intentional is the Great Reset, the whole endless propaganda about how eating bugs and your lifestyle is going to be different, and you're not going to own anything, you're going to rent everything.
And, you know, I think that a lot of that is intentional, but I think that we're, to some degree, seeing the last gasp of the current system.
Sort of like, you know, the Soviets around 1985.
The current elites have run out of any energy.
I mean, the Soviets motivated their people, you know, it was a terrible system, but there was actual grassroots enthusiasm.
When you bring rural electrification to people, you know, they're going to like that even if you're doing other terrible things.
When you educate the sons of dirt farmers, they're going to like that.
And so the Soviets had some innate momentum for decades and then eventually they just played out everything they could do and then you know they're talking about the 18th five-year plan and you know 1986 or something and everyone knew it was a joke and the Soviets in the system said you know they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work And I think that, you know, the last bastion of centrally planned communism is, you know, here in the West.
tim pool
What is that?
travis corcoran
I mean... I'm joking a little bit, making a reference to sort of Mencius Moldbug, Curtis Yarvin stuff.
tim pool
But no, but you mean to say, like, the current system we're under, everybody knows it's a joke, and I think... Exactly, and that's where I was going.
You're right.
travis corcoran
Right.
You know, You know, we've got, and don't worry I know what one can say and not say, but we've got a Democratic Party.
The Republican Party ceased to be able to put forward any candidates of its own sort of ideology and the Democratic Party has sort of entirely run out of steam where they're putting forward these candidates who It's inevitable because it's their time and you get these, you know, sort of absolute laughingstocks.
tim pool
Hillary Clinton.
travis corcoran
Right, right.
So and, you know, Joe Biden, God help him, does not seem to have all of his marbles in one place.
tim pool
He's got like two marbles left.
travis corcoran
Right, right.
You know, it's a tragedy.
But this is the last gasp of the system, you know, and so they pretend to have a president and, you know, we pretend to respect the system.
And I think that things are changing.
tim pool
I like that joke.
You know, they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work.
They pretend to have a president.
I think the sad thing is, yeah, it's paper thin.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, there is a presidential administration.
Joe Biden is fumbling, bumbling Joe, trying to not shop at a pressure, bad at cath care.
And, you know, one thing that I've brought up on the show frequently is that when he speaks, it's very obvious he's not talking to half the country.
Right.
When he makes references to COVID, when he makes references to law, They've basically cut off in terms of their, there was a point where they were like, you know, we want to try and make sure we're getting to the other side to win those votes.
Now they're like, we don't even care.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
We don't, don't care about those.
ian crossland
We saw in the 1900s, 20th century, the, the, the fall of like centrally planned economies very clearly.
And now I think we're up against the centrally planned law lawyering system.
And I wonder how we can, I like how you said poly as opposed to decentralized polycentric law and how we would do that.
While maintaining a union.
travis corcoran
Right.
ian crossland
How do you foresee that?
travis corcoran
I'm not sure we maintain a union.
I mean, you know, every system lives for as long as it lives.
Back in college, I double majored.
I was computer science, but also Roman history.
And one of my professors, I think Barry Strauss, had a wonderful last lecture in the semester one year.
And, you know, he was talking about the parallels between the Roman system and the American system.
And, you know, he said a few things that, you know, every country ends eventually, but also its forms linger on after the reality of it has died.
And, you know, a lot of people, you know, sort of red-grey tribe will say, you know, you know, America's gone so far off the rails, but we'll get it back.
And I'm like, you know, dude, I think America ended somewhere between 10 and 50 years ago.
And right now, you know, we still have the form of it.
tim pool
Some people argue it ended with the Federal Reserve.
travis corcoran
I think that's, you know, I don't particularly have the Federal Reserve bug.
That explains everything.
But I can get along with those guys.
I think that there's good arguments that—oh, gosh.
Not Coolidge.
Anyway, I'm blanking in my early 20th century.
ian crossland
Woodrow Wilson?
travis corcoran
Yes, thank you very much, sir.
And there's another argument to go further back than Abraham Lincoln.
And, you know, even if freeing the slaves was a wonderful ideal, it's interesting how every other country on the planet managed to free its slaves without having a war and killing 3% of its population.
tim pool
Yeah, and many before us.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
Like the British Empire.
travis corcoran
Exactly.
Perfect example.
tim pool
Great Britain proper, I think was in the 1700s.
Yep.
Was it like 73 or something or 75?
travis corcoran
Uh, I would have thought it was later than that, but I'll trust your number.
tim pool
I could be wrong.
I know that the, in, in the greater Commonwealth, it was 1833.
travis corcoran
Right.
That's, that's the number I had in my head.
ian crossland
It's funny.
Cause they freed their slaves, but they still have like colonized India.
travis corcoran
Right.
You know, and, and the United States is an example of that, but I'm, you know, We talk about, you know, we're this exemplar for all mankind of this wonderful free society where anybody can do anything, you know, as long as it's in the properly approved narrow set of things that are good and free, not, you know, terrible bad things like, you know, going to church and having old-fashioned ideas or owning firearms or anything.
And yet we have this crazy system where Members of both parties sort of support this imperial war mongering
system where we're fighting and you know 30 or 40 different countries
So we've got this representative government and all these freedoms at home to some degree while simultaneously we
have you know Absolute you know
On on what is the word I'm looking for with without fettered.
Yes unfettered. That'll do you know?
We have this effect of war on anyone we want to and there's no checks and balances and there's no civil rights
tim pool
It's crazy to me how at a certain point the United States the the politicians stopped actually
and Implementing policy in this country, and it was actually an argument over what we should be doing overseas, right?
And we had a long period of that from my mind look I can't argue for about what happened before I was born But I thought most of my life was just a whole lot of arguing about we're gonna do to other people elsewhere And I long complained.
I'm like everybody's coming out talking about these pipes in Flint which which now I believe are fixed But I'm like how much money did we spend in Afghanistan building roads and building schools, right?
So it's weird to me that the answer to a lot of what the left was complaining about was simply that we focus on America first, which is controversial, I guess, for some strange reason.
But I want to go back to this point about, you know, Katie Hopkins and Australia, because you mentioned there might not be a union.
And so I'm wondering if these countries are effectively shutting their borders off, they're making it much, much more difficult for anyone to come in.
What is it going to look like if the United States Isn't even going to be a union, but then it's already hard
enough for people to travel. It feels like everybody is becoming more isolationist
travis corcoran
You know, so there's an interesting thing where things are getting physically more isolated, you know in the physical
realm of where can you go?
At the same time that distance is becoming less important This is the whole sort of lexus and the olive tree thesis
that you know The world is getting flat and you know
You can source parts from wherever and you can you know, I work for a startup that doesn't have a physical location
We're decentralized and we've got people, you know, all the way from Italy over to Japan.
So we've just got this sort of weird rolling 20-hour clock.
But, you know, this gets to what I was saying earlier about, you know, every 500 years or so maybe there's a deep fundamental change in how society is structured.
Now, getting to COVID, I think that this is a short-term problem.
There's You know, we sequenced COVID-19 in very short order and we came up with an immunization for it in, you know, 48 hours.
And the only thing that stood in the way was the old, you know, nation states and the FDA and the CDC, you know, doing things like taking four-day weekends during the emergency where you can count the number of people dying per day.
But they're so entrenched in the sort of 1970s Soviet bureaucratic thing of, oh, we've all got to get out to our dachas.
You know, this is Soviet Pioneer Day.
You can't expect us to work and save lives.
So I think that's proof that the system is absolutely exhausted and it's just ready for people to stop believing it.
tim pool
When you look at the sheer tribalism, you know, like I mentioned, and many people have mentioned, Joe Biden seems to only be talking to one side of the country at this point, because they've basically resigned themselves.
Okay, we can't win them over.
It's over.
We're done.
We're done talking.
I mean, the tribalism has reached absolutely absurd levels.
You know, it's like that right now that people are circulating these old tweets from 2020 of Kamala Harris and like Daily Kos writing about vaccine skepticism.
And they're saying like, who would take Trump's vaccine?
And now they're the ones screaming like, why won't Trump supporters take the bench?
travis corcoran
Right, absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah, people are absolutely aligned.
I gotta say, you know, perhaps I'm just biased, but I think it is fair to say that it is the rule for the establishment left, but the exception for the right in general.
So leftists kind of overlap with a lot of the establishment Democrats.
But you look at, you mentioned the Republican Party and their, you know, forever war kind of stuff too.
travis corcoran
I want to make clear that I don't think that's just the Republicans.
I mean, both parties love them forever.
tim pool
But I will say, like, I think as another sign of the collapse or the decay or the change, whatever you want to call it, is Donald Trump's storming into the Republican Party and forcing dramatic changes.
travis corcoran
And he couldn't have done that in 1980 or 1984.
One man with a bunch of bombast can't knock over a healthy system.
tim pool
But the Trump supporters... I don't know if you... Did you hear what Michael Moore said back in 2016?
travis corcoran
I think I did.
I remember being shocked that he was sort of intellectually honest about it for the first time.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
It was brilliant.
He basically said that Trump was one of the only people advocating for these factories.
He goes to these auto manufacturers and said, I will tariff you 30% if you try and move these cars out of America.
I know, yeah, it felt good for a lot of people for a while.
So I think that's one of the big changes to the Republican Party.
And they are going to send the biggest F you to the establishment the world has ever heard and they are going
to enjoy it The one thing he got wrong was he was like it'll feel good
for a week I know yeah, I felt good for a lot of people for a while
So I think that's one of the big changes the Republican Party
But I think you know, so just to address that point on the left. Do you have many people who are?
It's it's crazy how they can't remember what they said last year
travis corcoran
You know, I started flipping back through 1984 recently, and everyone's read 1984, and there's a problem with reading things.
You tend to boil them down to an essence or a logo or something, and things in the world, books, novels, people, have a whole lot of complexity.
To actually go back and look at 1984, it's not just sort of a stand-in or a stereotype or a glyph that stands for repressive totalitarianism.
There's a lot of detail there.
And the detail about how the party just changes the line and everyone, you know, switches on a dime.
Oh, it's amazing.
And this is what we're seeing.
You know, last year, you know, I was one of these internet autists who was paying attention to China in very, very early January, and I think it was late January, When, you know, I started tweeting my 10,000, you know, I'm talking to Tim Pool about I've got 10,000 followers on Twitter.
But I said, you know, guys, now is the time to start packing, stockpiling stuff.
And people said, you know what?
And I said, you know, I don't know that, you know, if it surfaces, but start getting latex gloves in case it does turn out to be surfaces.
I don't know if it's airborne, but definitely start getting masks, you know, P90, P95.
Start laying in food.
I'm not saying there will be supply chain disruptions, but when you don't know.
And at that time, the left and oh, gosh, what was he?
Ezra Klein?
Yes, thank you.
I think it was either Ezra Klein, or if it wasn't Ezra Klein, it was one of the other Ezra Kleins, was absolutely poo-pooing this idea of, you know, masks do nothing, and even if they do anything, you should leave it for the professionals.
There's no reason to have a mask, and the fear that you'll generate, that's the real danger.
And then they all pivot on a dime when, you know, the new line comes down from the, you know, there used to be journo-list, if you're familiar with that, you know, 10 or whatever.
tim pool
The journo-list.
travis corcoran
The journo-list.
tim pool
Oh yeah, there's more than people know, man.
travis corcoran
Right, and so certainly there are dozens more journalists, and when you see... Well, let's break that down real quick.
Sure.
tim pool
He's not saying journalist, he's saying journo-list.
I think Ezra Klein made this, right?
It was a Facebook group where all of these different journalists from different organizations were on one community group together.
So one person would come in and say, X happened, and then every single journalist in this group would see it.
So they were all wrapped up in the exact same bubble narrative.
Completely oblivious to the outside world.
travis corcoran
There's a wonderful video on YouTube that shows some people on a cable channel reading out a prepared statement and like every five seconds it switches to a different cable channel and the statement continues seamlessly because this was literally a memo that came down from corporate and they wanted every local affiliate to do it.
Journalist was effectively the same thing but there wasn't a corporation at the top there was just this little plate or file or hive of journalists and they had Tamara's bullet points every day.
tim pool
What people don't realize about that is there wasn't one journal list.
There was probably 10,000.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
I was personally on several of them.
Yeah, I think I still am on one.
There were a bunch of different ones.
There was one that was about, it was like citizen journalist centric.
So it was basically 10 or 20,000 people with several who were very active and many who just followed.
And they would post things and they would all see it.
And then sure enough, these articles pop up everywhere.
But I do want to, with that being said, go back to the point you were making about, you know, it's time to prepare, it's time to buy supplies.
Because early on last year, you know, one of the sponsors we often do is for a food bucket, Safe and Ready Meals.
This is not, I'm not promoting them, I'm just mentioning that we have promoted them in the past.
And this is like a 25-year food bucket.
Now, I don't like doing promos.
Like, legit, I'll get sent, like, hey, Tim, would you want to advertise for this?
And I'm like, no, I can't do that company, you know?
Like, I have to actually think there's utility there.
And so this company, I thought, was actually fantastic.
Because the way I describe it to people is, you know, you've got a first aid kit, right?
travis corcoran
Oh, I've got multiple first aid kits.
How many?
I don't know, four or five, including trauma bandages.
I go into that in my books in that, you know, I've got a small first aid kit in my workshop.
I've got a beefier first aid kit in my chainsaw supplies.
tim pool
Now here's a question though.
How often do you use them?
travis corcoran
You know, there's sort of the 80-20 rule or the power law in that, you know, I probably cut my fingertips or something every, you know, two weeks or so.
I think I actually did it.
tim pool
Once every two weeks, you might need a bandage.
How often do you eat food?
unidentified
I think you eat food three times a day.
tim pool
And so it's crazy to me that there's this negative connotation, this negative perspective on having emergency food or whatever.
And I'm like, you should have a thing of water, food, and a first aid kit.
And you know, you look at what happened with those around the time.
Actually, I don't remember when this was.
It was flooding in Houston.
It was really, really bad.
And I'm like, some of these people are like trapped in their houses for a long period of time.
You're going to be happy.
You can crack open that freeze dried sealed bag and now you're gonna need some power to boil the water and stuff like that.
But I look at it like it was strange to me that the establishment doesn't prepare for anything.
You know, you mentioned they turn on a dime.
The party says so be it and they all just agree
and they're all in this mentality that no matter what happens,
they will always be safe.
And that to me is insane.
travis corcoran
Absolutely.
tim pool
Look, you know, you know what I think?
Here's what I always say about buying beans and rice
or these emergency food kits.
If you're in your absolute worst case scenario, OK.
Admittedly, your worst case, you have food, right?
You know, but in the absolute best case scenario, you literally, you just eat it.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
Like I used to say, look, worst case scenario, just eat the food.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And then I realized, no, the worst case scenario would be the actual apocalypse and then you'll eat the food.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But if you buy these things and then nothing happens, I, the other day I just cracked an open and made some stroganoff.
It was delicious.
Put some chicken in there and some spices.
travis corcoran
And I've absolutely done the same thing, not recently, but I've had a pile, one or two boxes of MREs sitting around the house forever since shortly after I got out of college.
And every now and then you'd be sort of working late and suddenly it's 10 o'clock and there's no food in the fridge and there's no takeout.
I've eaten an MRE at 10.30 in the evening more than once.
tim pool
Yeah.
You know, it's not something you want to eat all the time, but they're not bad.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
It's good self-limiting in that way.
You're never going to be tempted to eat up all of your MREs.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about this, you know, right now.
You mentioned in the previous segment that we could be coming to this 500 year end cycle.
I mean, you've heard of the fourth turning.
travis corcoran
Yep.
tim pool
Thucydides trap.
And now we've got the MIT study that everyone's talking about.
2040, the collapse is coming or whatever.
travis corcoran
There's yet another one.
I'm going to mispronounce the word, but it's like Korolev wave theory.
Oh, we should add it to the list.
tim pool
We can talk about that one.
travis corcoran
You know, I think I ended up picking this up from an interstitial essay in a book of John Barnes' short stories like 30 years ago.
And the idea is that there's a bunch of different ways, sort of sinusoids, and some have four-year cycles, another 12.
And, you know, at some point, if you've ever, you know, taken calculus or done a Fourier, you know, decomposition of something, You get a whole bunch of curves and they start to peak up at certain points.
And, you know, the theory is that all of these curves are going to peak, you know, sometime way off in the far future like 2025 or something.
And, you know, this theory was written down in the 70s or 80s.
And I think we're seeing a lot of it come true.
You know, stuff is getting crazy.
tim pool
So do you think, you know, you mentioned last year you said people should buy stuff.
Yeah.
What would you say right now?
Do you think people should be stocking up or something like that?
travis corcoran
Let me back up a little bit.
I always want to avoid panic, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Panic never helps anything.
I think that anti-fragility is a good thing instead of the nesting talent.
Love that idea.
And so, you know, people ask, are you a prepper?
I'm like, well, you know, I'm not prepared to survive the zombie apocalypse.
I don't want to survive a nuclear war.
You don't want to.
I'm saying maybe for humor, I'd rather not die if there is a nuclear war.
But the point is, all sorts of things happen and it's always better to be prepared for them.
One thing I talk about just, you know, this isn't a survivalist or a prepper book.
And I've got some sort of anti-prepping thoughts.
tim pool
And that's Escape from the City.
travis corcoran
Right.
Escape from the City.
This is a recent homesteading book that I wrote.
I've been on the homestead for eight years.
And there's two volumes, Volume 1 and Volume 2.
Wow.
And it's basically one long book, about 1,300 pages long.
Wow.
And it's sort of massive in the amount of detail inside.
The table of contents alone is 30 pages.
So if you've got any interest in homesteading or prepping, I'd recommend picking it up.
It's Escape the City.
It's on Amazon.
And you can just Google it.
tim pool
They made prepping a dirty word.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
You know, the problem with anything is that it gets an ideological stink.
And so there's always this constant recycling of language, whether it's the name for a minority
or an intellectually challenged person or a hobby.
And so prepping, there's always an impetus in the media to find someone and point at
them and laugh.
And then everyone laughs along with you.
And, you know, sort of the journalist goes out that we all agree as a society that, you
know, preppers or furries or whatever, you know, we can punch down at them because they're
a bunch of weirdos in the same way that we're punching down at people who are buying masks
last January.
So anyway, my thoughts about prepping are there's a power law in that absolute huge catastrophic things happen very, very rarely, but sort of very small annoyances happen more often.
So if someone says, you know, I want to be prepared, what should I do?
Should I get a zombie hunter extreme machete?
Should I get a long range sniper rifle?
I'm like, you know, maybe you should get $500 in the checking account because You know, people get laid off, like, once every five years.
So you're going to be laid off from your job, you know, in the next five years, certainly in the next ten years.
So lock down how you're going to survive that without, you know, losing your lifestyle.
You know, people lose their power once every ten or fifteen years.
Plan for that.
That's not expensive.
You get a $500 generator, a $300 transfer switch.
But then you keep going out on these things, and they're less and less frequent, but the chance, you know, hopefully we'll all live to be 70 or 80 or 90, and a thing that only happens once every 15 years, that's going to happen to you several times in your life.
And we in the West, we've been, you know, rich and protected by oceans, and so we've been very, you know, blessed, and we've not had a lot of the bad stuff that normal people have at the same rate that they have it.
But I wrote this book starting several years ago and one thing I said is,
hey, we get plagues about once every hundred years. We had the Spanish flu in 1918 and I
went back several other plagues. So you should be prepared because there's a decent chance
there'll be a plague in your lifetime. Do you hear about this? This story happened
tim pool
There was an algal bloom in the Great Lakes.
And within 40- which- is Toledo on the lake?
I can't remember which city it was.
ian crossland
It's like Western Ohio.
tim pool
But is it on one of the Great Lakes?
ian crossland
Cleveland's on the lake.
tim pool
Cleveland.
ian crossland
Sandusky's on the lake.
tim pool
There was, within 40 miles, I guess, of all these cities, no drinking water.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Because what happened was as soon as the news broke, as soon as people found out, they immediately started raiding local stores for bottled water and moving further and further out to get more and more water.
And then within 40 miles, no water.
What do you drink?
travis corcoran
My wife made a really interesting point that one of the reasons to prep is not because it's the only way to get the supplies.
The reason to prep is so that you don't have to make terrible trade-offs when you need the supplies.
And you know, the terrible trade-off could be as simple as paying $10 a gallon for gasoline to run your generator.
Or it could be a lot worse.
And I mean, you know, people, especially women in refugee camps all the time, have to make terrible trade-offs.
ian crossland
You know, I went crazy with vinegar and salt.
People are laughing at honey.
Like, 100 pounds of honey.
Because if it does go down, I want to provide it for the neighbors.
I want the entire community to be preserved as much as possible so we can barter.
So that if they have all the ammo, If they have, you know, whatever, we can all kind of come together, and those things become extremely valuable.
tim pool
Ian bought an absurd amount of salt, vinegar, and honey.
ian crossland
Never go back.
tim pool
And we laugh mostly at the vinegar.
Mostly the vinegar.
Because, like, I don't know what you do with it.
However, I do understand it can be used for a lot of chemical processes.
So it's a funny idea that you'd have so much vinegar, because how often do you really use it in some recipes?
But in actuality, It lasts forever, doesn't it?
ian crossland
As far as I know, yeah.
travis corcoran
It does, and I'm going to jump in and defend Ian, because when you get vinegar, you can pickle anything.
So when your harvest comes in all over four weeks, but you want to store it for the winter, just pile that under vinegar.
tim pool
Is that all you do?
You just put vinegar in?
I thought you needed brine?
travis corcoran
Brine is salt.
Ian's cover. No, exactly.
tim pool
That's so yeah, I mean, honey never goes bad, right?
Right. Salt is salt is you definitely need salt.
Like, you know, where where where would you get your salt in your
diet if you're, you know, in an area like this, you know, in
Appalachia?
unidentified
Yeah. Is salt naturally occurring or, you know, you know,
travis corcoran
if there was a disaster or something and you had to
improvise, I would go with road But other than that, you know, you're going to be trading people who are, you know, bringing in salt from the ocean.
ian crossland
Salt was the currency at one point, five, six thousand years ago.
tim pool
I was thinking about this earlier because we bought some deer salt licks.
travis corcoran
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
You just, you know, chuck them out and leave on them or something.
And I see the deer is going nuts from because there's no salt.
travis corcoran
Right, right.
tim pool
And so the deer, when they find salt, there's a warning on it saying, make sure you put out several.
Otherwise, the deer will fight each other to get it.
Because there's no salt.
So imagine if you didn't have salt.
See, this is the crazy thing.
People don't realize.
And even, you know, we get out of the city.
We're in the middle of nowhere.
People still don't realize that we're dependent on so much.
Like vitamin C, for instance.
I don't know where we would source vitamin C out here.
We could probably try and grow some stuff.
Maybe because we're more modernized, we can grow stuff indoors and try and grow some citrus or something.
But where would we get vitamin C?
What's your recommendation on that?
travis corcoran
For that, again, I'm not a super prepper, but rose hips have vitamin C and we've got roses in the yard.
tim pool
Rose hips?
Eat a bunch of roses.
ian crossland
Boil it in tea.
Can you boil grass?
Can you work with grass for food?
I know you can't eat it directly because of the excess of cellulose.
travis corcoran
Yeah, I don't think there's many calories in grass.
I would feed grass to my sheep and then eat the sheep.
tim pool
That's the easiest way to do it.
Chickens eat grass.
travis corcoran
Yes, they do.
tim pool
But they can't subsist off of grass, right?
travis corcoran
You know, chickens will get a lot of their calories from bugs and worms.
And so we've got our chickens in a pen, but there's a thing that a lot of people do, which is a chicken tractor.
And that has nothing to do with a diesel-powered tractor.
It's basically a mobile pen with wheels on it.
And the idea is that you put your chickens in this pen, and then you just go out, and either with your riding mower or your tractor, or just by hand, You move it 10 or 15 feet a day.
ian crossland
Chicken city on wheels!
unidentified
Exactly!
tim pool
People have recommended it, and I've heard that people will put it over where they want to farm, let the chickens tear it up, then move it, and then they can plant stuff in it, and they fertilize it.
travis corcoran
So I've got a thought about this, and this is something I go into my book.
There's some utility in this.
Chickens are great, pigs are great.
I don't have pigs this year, but in general I have pigs like every other year.
But people sometimes want to say, oh man, you know, and this is sort of like after a deep bong hit, you know, the system, you know, nature gives you everything you need, man.
The pigs will furrow, you know, they'll turn up the soil for you so you don't need to till.
And there's a little bit of truth here, but there's a whole lot more wishful thinking.
And I've never seen anyone who says that pigs will till your soil who actually have their own pigs.
It's to some degree wishful thinking.
tim pool
So the pigs are no good.
travis corcoran
Pigs are great, but pigs do not replace tractors or rototillers or plows.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So if, you know, what should the average person be buying, like, in time, right?
Well, let me slow down.
We were previously talking about a dramatic change in the system.
Let's start from there.
What does this change look like?
Do you think... We've talked a lot about, like, Balkanization.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
And I want to be clear on this.
It's like the political factions basically choose their specific region and they break apart and move.
Do you think it's something like that?
What do you think we're looking at?
travis corcoran
So, you know, first of all, I don't want to really be certain about this.
I always find people who are absolutely certain to be a little, you know, I've got a head-scratching attitude about that, that, you know, I don't know, man, you haven't seen the future.
But I think the interesting thing about information technology, whether we're talking about the Gutenberg Press or whether we're talking about, you know, TCPIP or Twitter or whatever, is that it connects people who are further and further apart with lower and lower latency.
So if you want to look at, like, 1776, you know, people in different towns in Massachusetts had a lot more in common with each other than they had with people back in, you know, Wales or, you know, various parts of England, because they could only communicate with a few letters, you know, with a latency of six months or so.
And so that made it very easy for the regions to sort of grow apart and have their own political cultures.
And the weird thing about the high-speed connection we have is that we have, you know, two tribes, obviously red and blue, but then a lot more tribes, you know, if you go to, you know, some furry fandom thing.
Yellow.
Right, yellow.
You know, you pick anything, whether it's, you know, Mustang engine, you know, modification community, or whether it's Yeah, you'll find that these tribes are geographically distributed.
So I think that we might be headed to a world where the Westphalian nation state, where all of the nations have crisp little borders around them, is perhaps fading and we're going to a new world where the tribes are interleaved and distributed across and on top of each other.
ian crossland
I've been thinking a lot about that dissolution of the nation-state since about 2006.
Really, since Internet video, when I realized how powerful and connected we are now with video chat.
Like, how do you see it happening without a... Because the downside was I don't want a one-world government that's totalitarian.
travis corcoran
Right.
ian crossland
Now I'm looking at more of a decentralized localization.
I mean, you obviously work with crypto.
Like, how do you see something like that working?
travis corcoran
Right.
You know, again, you know, I'm going to say I can speculate since you're asking me to speculate.
You know, if you go back to the medieval period, there was this interesting thing where There was less of a crisp boundary in the Westphalian sense.
You might have somebody who was a, you know, the example I said before the show started, is you can imagine that there was someone, you know, peddling out on the street and the guards come up and say, hey, it's Sunday, you can't sell stuff.
And he, you know, holds up his warrant and he says, you know, actually I'm a Jew, so I'm, you know, bound by different... Doctrine?
Doctrine, right.
Religious code.
But I'm also tied in a little bit to your political system and I've got a warrant from the Duke who says, you know,
Yes, I'm a Jew with his permission. I'm doing things and the answer is oh, okay
So you're on the same territory as people who are under this other power, but you're under a different sort of
chain of command Whoa, and I can't imagine that being a good thing. Um
You know when the world changes good or bad doesn't really matter
You know, it comes out of incentives.
I think it might be a decent thing.
tim pool
Um, I think we're going that way.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, you, you look at the, the racial identitarianism from the establishment in this country and it really does look like that's where we're going.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
I mean, you know, right now we're already in that, you know, one person at Harvard, uh, is under a different law than someone else, depending on, you know, his skin color, um, you know, his admission there, the behavioral norms that's expected and everything else.
tim pool
Or, actually, you can't even get into Harvard if you're Asian, for the most part.
So, yeah, absolutely.
Different rules just based on what you look like.
travis corcoran
And, you know, there's little hints of that, that, you know, if someone is from overseas and they've got diplomatic plates, we're here, you know, not too far from D.C., and I saw that.
So I think that polycentric law overlapping in the same geographic location is something that has happened before in the Middle Ages, and I think it could happen again.
I'm not making a strong prediction.
And this ties into, we were talking about anarcho-capitalism, and one of the sort of leading luminaries of anarcho-capitalism is David Friedman, the son of Milton Friedman.
And he's written a bunch of great books on the topic.
The seminal one is The Machinery of Freedom, which was one of the books that, along with Robert Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, really sort of created my worldview.
But he's written some other good ones.
Law's Order, and one I wrote a few months ago, was Legal Systems Very Different from Our Own.
So, I'm not sure.
We'll see what happens over the coming decades.
ian crossland
I could see like an augmented reality system where when you look around, people have like a different aura if they're under different jurisdiction law or something.
But my wonder is, what if the power goes out?
Would that system function?
Could it function?
travis corcoran
Do you think it's something that... You know, what if the power goes out gets back to sort of robustness and anti-fragility?
You know, I expect that long term technology is going to stick around and that we will be living in a hyper-networked world.
So that sort of pulls in the opposite direction of the sort of localism and the anti-fragile homesteading that we're talking about.
So I don't know.
You know, in investing, some people talk about a barbell strategy where you want to have a lot of your money in sort of safe, reasonable things like index funds, but you also want to have a small amount and really potential high payoff bets.
You know, this is the venture capital model.
and politically looking towards the future on the one hand you know sort of
I hope for everyone has you know human rights and the power grid stays up and
the food supplies are good but I also have sheep that I can eat my own orchard
unidentified
and I can make my own wine in case it goes bad. We got to get off the grid the
ian crossland
central so we're getting off a centralized economy centralized law
centralized electricity it's got to be. So let's let's you know a lot about Rome.
unidentified
I know some yeah.
tim pool
When Rome collapsed, as you mentioned before, latency, distance between communications was a very long time.
travis corcoran
Absolutely.
tim pool
And then you end up with their own political cultures.
And then you mentioned now we're in this new era of technology.
It's going to be really interesting, in my opinion, just to elaborate on that idea, when you have one faction of people, maybe it's a family, and they're anarcho-capitalists.
And they're online communicating with the anarcho-capitalist community.
But they're decentralized.
Their neighbor is a socialist.
Their other neighbor is a conservative.
You know, free enterprise, sort of, but still some government control.
How will there be cohesive law if people right next to each other are just at odds?
travis corcoran
It's a great question, and I'll take a stab at answering it.
But again, I want to be clear that I'm not predicting that.
This is definitely the way it's going to happen.
David Friedman talked about this, and he's the one who came up with sort of polycentric legal order.
And what he said is, you know, you, Tim, you know, might subscribe to one legal system where you want to keep trespassers off your land.
That's pretty important to you.
Someone else might subscribe to a legal system that has a English right to roam.
And then we, in England, apparently, if you've got a certain amount of land, you can't keep people off it.
They're allowed to just walk right across as the sort of traditional right of the Englishman.
So what happens when these, you know, things come in conflict?
Like, one guy says, I've got an absolute right to walk across your backyard, and you say, I've got an absolute right to keep you out.
And, you know, theoretically, someone who wanted to diss on anarcho-capitalism would say, well, you know, then of course you'd get a gun battle, and that's why anarcho-capitalism is the worst possible political ideology in the world.
But, you know, in the real world when corporations run into things like, you know, you've stolen
my intellectual property because I think that my patent on, you know, how resistors work
is, you know, blah, blah, blah.
And you say, no, I'm using a different thing.
It looks similar, but it's not.
We don't get guns and duke this out.
We you know, we just hire lawyers and they settle it.
So I think that that would happen now.
Now, the next parody is, OK, Travis is arguing that any time two people have a disagreement about trespassing in a garden, like, is there an easement or is there not, then there's a $90,000 lawsuit that takes three years.
And I think there's game theory where when something is iterated, there is not a need
to hash it out time and time and time again.
Both sides see, you know, really a negotiated solution here and some rules of the road make
sense.
So if you look at any place where firms interact, they either come up with their own laws or
they come up with their own governance bodies to help them interact with each other.
Because, you know, if you look at evolution, animals don't battle to the death with each
other.
and they both want to dominate the herd of ewes.
It doesn't make sense if one ram is aiming to kill the other because he's likely to get severely damaged in that.
The utility maximizing compromise is some sort of dominance display and head bashing and then one of them sulks off.
Because he can live to try again another day.
And I think people are not idiots.
People do not get into gun battles.
tim pool
I somewhat disagree.
We talked about the wacky laws recently, where you've got some places where it's like you can't take a shower on Tuesdays.
And it actually made sense because back in the day, the local aquifer was like, you know, we, like they said, we have to have one day where nobody uses water so it can replenish a little bit.
But now we have better water systems.
We have tons of water.
So we produce these laws based on the specifics that are happening in our areas.
So you have a community and they build a culture.
They build rules and laws with, for each other, by each other, and sometimes in disagreement with each other, but understanding the problem.
Hey, look, a bear keeps coming in.
So we're going to pass a law.
You can't have picnic baskets lying around wherever.
Well, now you've got somebody who's on the internet, and he does not subscribe to any of his immediate community.
When they go outside, they're clashing, and one guy's on nothing but socialist forums, and one guy's on nothing but, you know, ANCAP forums, and so they're completely at odds locally.
I don't necessarily think that they would just agree to resolve the solution because the resolution itself is part of the local community and culture and law.
travis corcoran
Sure.
That's a great argument, and I follow it, and it's convincing.
So now, the great thing about pontificating while sitting on my butt is I can say, OK, if you didn't like that answer, I've got another one.
And the other one is that just as the cost of information transmission is falling, the cost of picking up and moving your butt is falling.
I moved from Massachusetts, where the local community and the norms and the politics were very much not to my liking, and I moved to New Hampshire eight years ago.
tim pool
A lot of ANCAPs in New Hampshire.
travis corcoran
There are.
There's a joke.
I don't know if I would necessarily say that I'm part of the Free State Project, but I'm certainly FSP adjacent, and I know a lot of FSP people.
And there's a joke, you know, what's the difference between a libertarian and an ANCAP?
And the answer is, you know, six months in New Hampshire.
So, you know, I think picking up and moving to be around people who are like you is a good thing.
And there's a phrase, the great sort, which is mostly talking about demographics and mating, but I think that to some degree it's also happening geographically.
tim pool
I completely agree.
I mean, look at how many people moved to Texas recently.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
Joe Rogan and Elon Musk announced it, but a ton of people, there's a lot of regular people that moved.
And one of the things I've warned, though, is that while, you know, Joe Rogan and Elon Musk are, they seem to be left-leaning individuals.
I mean, Elon Musk calls himself a socialist, whether he is or not, I don't know.
It's funny considering he's a master troll.
That's right, right, right.
But the people they bring with them when they move their companies and their jobs, they bring people with them in their periphery who are definitely not going to agree with exactly what happens there in Texas.
But I digress.
You know, that being said, I do think there's a great sort happening.
I mean, look, we moved.
We moved effectively to West Virginia.
I was living in New York City only a few years ago, moved to the Philly suburbs.
Now we're in the mountains, you know, essentially.
Essentially, I say that because we're in the tri-state.
travis corcoran
It's a beautiful country, by the way.
I loved the drive out here.
tim pool
Saw the deer.
Every day I look outside, there's a family of deer doing their thing.
And, uh, you know, I wanted to get away from the city.
So we move closer and closer to people who are more and more like-minded.
For me, I would say it's not necessarily that the people around here are like-minded, but we agree to leave each other alone.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
Which is big.
travis corcoran
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
Where I keep finding the problem, or a problem, regarding this whole concept of decentralized law is if a community wants to pollute the air, because that can affect the entire globe if it's done on a mass enough scale.
If they're pumping methane and carbon and, you know, radioactive materials up into the atmosphere to produce just pure industry, like hundreds of thousands of people, like for decades, could just destroy things like thousands of miles away.
travis corcoran
China.
ian crossland
Or polluting the water, like the ocean, like dumping.
tim pool
So a lot of the plastic waste is in the antenna.
travis corcoran
I was going to go there next.
tim pool
Yeah, India and China, plastic waste.
travis corcoran
We've got all of these rules against having, you know, plastic straws in the U.S. and really
it's all coming from just one small place.
ian crossland
So are we ultimately, will we need a global, like an overseer?
travis corcoran
So you know, my answer to this is that freedom can only exist on the frontier and you know,
America has got a really unique libertarian culture.
You find a few libertarians in other places, but it's endemic to, you know, the United States and that's because of our culture.
We ran into a, you know, quote-unquote empty, which is, you know, the Western Hemisphere was empty because of the tragedy of communicable diseases.
But we evolved this idea of a frontier because we had a frontier, and that's why you can sort of never really communicate about some of these topics with people in other parts of the country.
And so, if I may plug something else, Tim introduced me as an author, and the first things I wrote before the homesteading books were two anarcho-capitalistic novels which pretty much have the thesis that we can only achieve freedom out on the frontier.
So the first one is The Powers of the Earth, which won the Prometheus Award for Best Novel.
2018, and the sequel is Causes of Separation, which won the Prometheus Award in 2019.
tim pool
I think you are correct about that with the freedom.
The way I've described it is, you know how gases, the molecules, you know, are bouncing around quite a bit, liquids a little bit, and then solids, they're rigid.
travis corcoran
Yep.
tim pool
When you look at big cities, I view it as a solid.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
All of these individuals stacked on top of each other, and that room to bounce around erratically, that's your freedom.
travis corcoran
Yep.
tim pool
The more people surround you, the more you push, and it compresses your sphere of freedom.
So it's actually, it's a really, really easy way to explain it.
travis corcoran
I love your analogy, and because I'm a nerd, I'm going to make it a little nerdier, which is the ideal gas law, which is PV equals NRT.
And, you know, it's a great analogy, because one thing that happens when you add more molecules that have this kinetic energy, or when you crush them in tighter space, is the temperature goes up.
Right.
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
travis corcoran
Expands right right you know so we can go to the sort of the Carnot cycle that it pushes out and you know the piston But we're talking about compression so that energy is getting released.
tim pool
Yeah in these way to explain.
It is just playing the drums mm-hmm That in order to play the drums you need a massive sphere of freedom You can't do it in the suburbs.
You might be able to, but you have to get permission.
You have to ask, hey, you guys mind if we're playing the drums?
I know, you know, the zoning laws say that, the ordinance says, I can be noisy until 10 p.m., but then your neighbors get mad at you, and then you're fighting with your neighbors.
You talk to them, they'll say, okay, play the drums, but only between this hours.
Or you, okay, make noise, but only between this hours.
You can't play drums in the city.
Right.
You got one person above you, one to your left, to your right, and one behind you.
and you play the drums and they're going to be like, are you nuts? It's not about, I can sort
of hear it. It's you're literally banging next door to me.
Like turn your music. It's a movie trope. So people are stacked on top of each other. There's
no room for freedoms.
travis corcoran
I absolutely agree.
great. One of.
There's a dozen or five dozen reasons that I don't want to live in a city and I can't stand the city, but one of them is that I'm an introvert.
I know people who often propose systems, like I've got one friend who is proposing a hackerspace, and my answer to a hackerspace is, I have a hackerspace, it's my garage.
I've got MIG welders and bandsaws and lathes and everything I want to do, and so anytime I want to do a project, the tools are there and I'm first in line and I don't have to wait for anyone else.
And I think that one of the reasons that he likes the idea of a hackerspace is because all of these things are up for negotiation.
We get to come together as a community and decide the rules for how we should do this.
We get to come together as a community.
So what I would see as a cost, which is the interactions and the negotiations, is for him a benefit.
And I think a lot of people who love cities actually love the fact that you have to negotiate everything.
They talk about a certain sense of community, and that's what makes New York City great.
The fact that when one person vomits on the subway, that everyone else helps everyone else walk around it.
I don't like interacting, so if I want to play the drums and get my Neil Peardon, I don't want to have to talk to ten other people about it.
ian crossland
Regarding PV-NRT, this is a little bit of an aside.
I'd like to hear what you think about this.
When you increase the pressure, it either is going to enhance the temperature or expand the system.
travis corcoran
Yep.
ian crossland
But it's just for tubular systems, the way that was written out, to get water.
I think it's to get water out of wells or something.
travis corcoran
So, you know, PV equals NRT, the ideal gas law, is what you would use to describe a piston in a cylinder, whether it's an internal combustion engine or a Stirling engine.
But it would also apply to say a balloon.
ian crossland
So is it possible that as the balloon expands, it causes the expansion causes friction, which
is energy from outside of the system to cause it to heat up faster, which causes it to expand
faster, which causes more friction, which causes more heat and a faster, so you get
acceleration or inflation.
And so what an inflated system, I think it hasn't been written yet.
tim pool
I think what you're saying is that the more people live in close proximity, the faster
through the acceleration towards collapse.
ian crossland
Well, maybe.
What I'm getting at is I think that in order to explain free energy, this is totally off topic, I'm sorry, but I want to talk about PV and RT.
tim pool
We got to move on from that.
ian crossland
OK, but in order to get free energy, to explain to the people scientifically, we need to explain inflation in PV and RT.
tim pool
Well, I'm just, I was analogy for people smashed on top of each other and then fighting.
ian crossland
They have nowhere to go.
It's going to raise the temperature.
tim pool
So I think it's going to happen sooner, this excitement, this collapse, this rage.
One thing people need to realize is that we're in a lull period.
The election for the president was last year.
There's no real cycle right now.
This year is where everyone is just exhausted.
2022 is the midterms.
2023 is the presidential primary cycle, followed by 2024, the presidential cycle.
And that is going to be ramping up worse, more extreme than we saw.
But I do want to show this story real quick, and the story itself I think is important.
I don't think it's the most excitable story, it's from NBC.
All children should wear masks in school this fall, even if vaccinated, according to Pediatrics Group.
The American Academy of Pediatrics is calling the new guidance a layered approach.
We had Steve Bannon on the show.
He said on August 15th, when mothers start learning about what their children are being taught, there is going to be a ruckus.
I don't know the exact word, but you get the point.
People are going to lose it.
And he's right.
I think a lot of the critical race theory stuff is going to result in moms being shocked and angered, but this mask... It's already happening, yeah.
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Now, consider when kids are back in school, summer ends.
I saw this story, and I saw it on Reddit, and I looked at the comments, because the first thing I thought when I saw that schools wanted to make kids wear masks, even if they're vaccinated, my immediate thought was, There is no way even the establishment leftists, the people who march on a dime for the establishment, are going to be okay with this.
Because even though we have seen to great lengths these people are willing to contort themselves, this will snap their brains like a rubber band.
And I was right.
Surprisingly, the top comments on Reddit, which is mostly leftists, were like, I can't do this anymore, I can't handle this.
One response was, I'm a high school teacher, this is insane, I will not be the masked police, I can't handle this.
And it was just inundated people saying, this is nuts, it's gone too far, we're losing control.
But the funny thing is, they were trying to adhere to the narrative.
Like, we have to do it!
But their brains were just at that point where the rubber band was gonna snap.
Seeing the person say, I'm a high school teacher and I just can't handle it anymore.
And I'm like, whether they want to support the narrative or not, the rubber band is going to snap back and then something's going to happen.
I don't know what, maybe it actually stabilizes things.
travis corcoran
I see a lot of doom posting on Twitter from my tribe talking about, oh gosh, you know, the left is going further on this and this, and you know, the 1984 totalitarian, blah, blah, blah.
We're all doomed and it's all over.
And linear extrapolations I think are always naive and wrong because there are feedback loops.
And, you know, as stuff gets crazier, more and more people start saying, you know, I can't buy into this anymore.
And I think that we are rapidly approaching that point.
The cathedral or the, you know, political organization right now has this plan that has worked for them.
And it's worked for 20 or 30 or 40 years, which is you bang more and more about racism.
And it motivates the base and it gets people out to march and it motivates donations.
And, you know, they did this for all four years of Trump.
And, you know, there's a terrible thing.
I mean, it's hilarious, but it's also terrible, which is that the word racist and the word Nazi have lost all power.
Because, you know, racism is a terrible thing and no one wants to be, you know, called a racist if it's meaningful.
And Nazis are, you know, the second worst political thing after communism.
And, you know, that's terrible and no one wants to be called a Nazi.
And so at first they're saying, you know, okay, these literal Nazis marching down the streets
are Nazis. And you're like, yes, they are. They're saying terrible things about Jews.
You know, that's terrible. And then next they're saying, you know, this guy who's not a Nazi,
but he's got some, you know, really bad opinions as a Nazi.
You're like, yeah, okay, I guess that's pretty Nazi-like. And then pretty soon, you know, my half
Nigerian friend Fred is being called a Nazi.
I'm like, A, he's not a Nazi, and B, that word is now entirely meaningless.
tim pool
It doesn't matter anymore.
travis corcoran
Right, right.
tim pool
It's not about the word being meaningless.
The word can mean whatever it wants.
I just don't care.
travis corcoran
Right.
That's what I'm saying.
You've done something amazing when half the population doesn't care anymore.
tim pool
It's not about half the population.
It's not half the population.
I don't care about what these leftist rage bait smear merchants care for the same reason I don't care about what people in Liberia are saying about me.
It's a different country and it has nothing to do with me.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
So when I see these people who I know live in Wally world and and believe non-sickle garbage, I'm like, they can say whatever they want.
I'm over it.
travis corcoran
Yep.
tim pool
I don't view them as the, look, the divide in this country has, has grown so great.
travis corcoran
Right.
There's two countries.
tim pool
It's more than that.
ian crossland
It's like a shatter and there's all these different fractals.
tim pool
It is beyond two countries.
It is beyond two countries.
When I heard, this is the example I use every time, Joe Biden talking about lockdowns, when red states were doing the opposite, I was like, that's it.
It is very clear that he does not view us as part of the conversation or as part of the country or as someone who needs to be talked to.
So when I see someone in the mainstream media, NBC or whatever, say something, I'm like, why do I care what they think?
It is not part of the world I live in.
And I didn't start it.
I'm just responding to it.
travis corcoran
Absolutely.
My friend Adam said something really interesting a month or two back, which is, you know, I think his exact words were, I'm really realizing more and more that I'm a patriot of a country that never really existed.
And I think, you know, if you look at Twitter and other places, people on the right are saying, you know, effectively, I don't know what I believe in.
I, you know, believe in this 1950s world, but also that 1950s world was maybe more an artifact of marketing than reality.
And people on the left, you know, they march, but then the world isn't operating the way they think it's supposed to operate and their models are broken.
There's a huge cultural malaise or ennui or something going on because all of the old explanations and answers have broken down.
And, you know, Joe Biden isn't motivating anyone.
There's no narratives that are motivating anyone.
And we're discovering the new world right now.
ian crossland
It's true, man.
We ended slavery, but China didn't.
And we buy products from China that are getting made by slaves.
So we're basically still supporting slavery.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
No, I mean, we have companies that have used sweatshop labor for a long time.
ian crossland
It's blatant.
It is blatant structurally in the economy.
tim pool
And I'll tell you this, because at Occupy Wall Street, they had a memorial for Steve Jobs.
That, to me, was the funniest thing.
It's not like the people of Occupy all came together and voted.
Here, here, we all agree.
But many people there set up a memorial because he died in October of 2011.
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Uh huh.
tim pool
And I was laughing at just like the absurdity of one of the most ruthless, cutthroat capitalist
businessmen who exploited Chinese communist slave laborers being propped up by these people
at Occupy.
And I was there and I'm just like, and you know what?
I've, I've, I've, I've.
I've long known, because I worked in nonprofits, that it's all marketing.
It's all PR.
It's all an attempt to gain support.
But I think what happens is the internet allows for, you know, we used to have five TV channels or whatever.
travis corcoran
Three if you're older.
tim pool
Three, right.
And everyone just agreed with like the narrative coming from these channels.
travis corcoran
The Overton window was an inch wide.
tim pool
That's right.
Now, with the internet, the Overton window extends, for the most part, from, like, the center-right to the far-left.
It's kind of hilarious that that's true.
The mainstream will allow these conversations.
They'll wag their finger at the center-right, and they'll clap for the far-left.
But anyway, the main point is that it allows the entirety of the political compass to exist now in the space, even if we can say the Overton Window doesn't include the far-right, the authoritarian right, and even, and for some reason, ANCAPs get lumped in there sometimes.
travis corcoran
I mean, I think the Overton Window includes just enough Republicans that they, the Cathedral, or they, the, you know, sort of central political organization, can say, oh, we're tolerant, we accept everyone up to John McCain.
And, you know, maybe Mitt Romney on a good day.
tim pool
But regardless of what the cathedral thinks, there are online communities for literally every section.
travis corcoran
Absolutely.
And it's glorious.
I love it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it used to be much, much harder.
It was much more centralized.
Now it's evened out quite a bit.
But I do think this is causing a lot of our problems, especially when, you know, so we're seeing this shuffling, this great sorting algorithm is kind of happening.
West Virginia is losing residents.
Right?
And one of the stories I read was about a teacher and she gave an interview and she was like what they're doing to the unions and how they treat us is absurd and the state is racist so I'm leaving I'm going to Austin or something like that or you know some other city and I'm like isn't it fascinating that in the in one of the West Virginia I think is the second most Trump supporting state from 2020 Absolutely.
You have the people who are Democrats outraged and leaving.
Meanwhile, you have the more conservative types from cities outraged and leaving.
Everything's being sorted.
It's almost like we're in this big sieve or whatever, and it's being either shaking it,
and some are falling through, and some aren't.
So I wonder, the fascinating thing about this is, I've talked about Civil War quite a bit,
and right now we have this poll showing the potential balkanization.
I did the math.
37.2% of the population is in favor of their region balkanizing.
travis corcoran
You know, my dad is a real centrist Republican, you know, sort of Mitt Romney Republican, and I had the pleasure of seeing my folks over this past weekend after a year and a half because of COVID.
And my dad, this sort of, you know, mainstream whatever media TV is telling me, you know, he's talking about, you know, we need to break into two countries.
And when you're looking at, you know, 75 year old boomers who came up in the system and they're saying, you know, they're sounding like some crazy new reactionary on Twitter.
Man, the world's gotten strange.
tim pool
But it's not neoreactionary. It's 47% of Democrats on the West Coast.
So what we're seeing with this with separation is I'm not actually convinced it's going to just be,
you know, so one thing I've said recently is that I think we're more likely to break up than see
civil war. But I'll stress with this great sorting that's happening, it's entirely possible we do see
the country split along hard lines.
travis corcoran
We're definitely not going to see civil war because wars happen when you've got a lot of young men and our population structure will not support a war.
There's just not enough cannon fodder.
Neil Stevenson, a great science fiction author, one of my favorites.
has had the sort of future history of loosely linked books.
And he has sort of, you know, crazy red tribe rural areas and crazy blue tribe rural areas
and somehow they coexist.
And I think that sometimes governments just get exhausted and don't have the political
will to enforce hegemony.
And you know, I think that we're to some degree stepping into that world right now where we
get soft secession.
That, you know, maybe the tax dollars keep filing back to Washington and, you know, maybe the bomber bases still sit here, but we're not going to listen to laws we don't want to.
And we've seen that with marijuana legalization at the state level.
ian crossland
What if we end up with multiple layers of governments going on at once?
One while the electricity is on and one if it goes off.
And it's like a contingency.
tim pool
Well, let's be real for a second.
What do you think is going to happen to these blue areas when the collapse or the disarray happens or the, you know?
travis corcoran
You know, it's a Red Tribe talking point that, you know, oh, you know, the blue areas, they're all fashion designers and accountants and there's a totally fake economy there and these people don't produce anything.
Whereas out here in steel and corn country, this is the real world.
And, you know, I understand the emotions behind that, that the blue tribe often doesn't see the red tribe virtues.
They don't appreciate hard work and diligence and, you know, breaking bones and getting sweaty and all these other things.
And so you want to believe that, you know, there are feat losers, bug men living in pods.
And my books, by the way, start out, I think there's, you know, on the dedication page that, you know, this is to Robert Heinlein who taught us not to be bug men living in pods.
But the blue areas do huge amounts of useful things and we're not going to, you know, if there were a civil war, we're not going to surround Boston for a second time and starve them out because they export intellectual property and they've got a port and all of the food they ever want to buy is going to come in from the world.
So I'm not predicting a collapse and I'm not predicting civil war.
I think a peaceful divorce would be great.
I think both sides would do okay afterwards.
tim pool
In a peaceful divorce, it wouldn't be both sides.
There's no real way to split the country in two, but there could be five regions.
There could be a bunch of different regions.
California produces a massive amount of food for the country and for the world, but I'm not convinced that the farmers in Tulare, who are mostly Trump-supporting Republicans, are going to be like, sure, I'll give my food to these hippie lunatics in the cities.
travis corcoran
Right, well, give or, you know, are subject to regulation by.
I mean, if... Conquered.
Yeah.
I don't know that either side really has the manpower to do that.
I think that we are going to see, if there is a Great Divorce, which I don't think is super likely, but I hope we do.
If there is a Great Divorce, I think it's going to happen.
tim pool
Top of them, China comes in then.
travis corcoran
Well, so that's the other thing.
If you look at the U.S.
Revolution, the U.S.
Revolution only succeeded because there was a Great Power War going on where England didn't have the ability to fight us because they were busy fighting France.
And if you look at how the US always plays divide and conquer, we're always backing one
faction overseas, you know, the Syrian rebel group versus the other one.
And so, you know, I think China is going to get old before it gets rich.
So they are most dangerous for the next 10 or 20 or 30 years.
But I don't think that the future of the world is Chinese.
But if the U.S.
got into severe problems, then absolutely China would be funneling money and weapons.
ian crossland
Yeah, and you would see one faction in the United States side with China to win.
That would be craved just like the revolution, man.
tim pool
You know, I look at these regions in this poll, where it's like you have the Pacific region, the heartland, the south, the northeast.
travis corcoran
There was a great book by Joel Guru like 30 years ago called The Nine Nations of North America that I read on this topic.
tim pool
But I think the Northeast might be the most at risk.
You know, look, I can look at the heartland and there's a lot of corn there.
I can look at the Pacific and be like, California produces a ton of food.
I look at the South and I'm like, also, lots of farmland and fertile areas.
ian crossland
The mountains are impossible to take.
How could you invade the mountains?
tim pool
What does the Northeast have?
Crabs?
travis corcoran
The Northeast has ports. I mean if you go to Whole Foods in Cambridge, Massachusetts right now, you know, where is that
food coming from?
I'm sure some of it is coming from Vermont, but a lot of it coming from Chile or Brazil
tim pool
Let's say the Northeast was just you know by itself. Okay.
What does it have to offer for its ports to function lumber crab?
travis corcoran
Lumber lumber. Yeah, I mean, you know, I I think that was New Hampshire gonna get
Haha, what?
What do we export?
We've got a lot of rocks.
New Hampshire, I think its leading industries are things like health care administration.
Well, I don't want to work in that industry.
I'd rather do what I do.
But again, this gets to the Red Tribe belief that that's not real work.
It's all make work and there's no reason for it to exist.
I'm going to go with sort of a Chesterton fence that, you know, this exists and I assume there's a good reason for it.
They're presumably delivering value to someone.
tim pool
There are many jobs that should not exist, but are forced to.
travis corcoran
There's a great essay, bullshit, excuse me, but, but bold jobs.
And I don't know if you see it.
And I think I do agree with that.
So, so I'm not going to contradict myself.
tim pool
I thought about this for a long time. Insurance salesman.
No offense if you sell insurance.
But you know, for the most part people just go online and automatically get their service.
McDonald's, fast food restaurants, they're just replacing people with kiosks. And so
what I think is happening is that one thing I've actually, I've talked about this for
since I was a teenager.
The struggle of capitalism in a technological revolution is, and this is really obvious for a lot of people, when you have an industrialization, a lot of jobs get washed away.
But in our current system, we don't just give people stuff.
The challenge there is if one person has to work to help the society survive, they will not tolerate, very likely, if other people are not working and getting equal access to resources.
Right.
So long as there are people who need to make food, giving free food to other people is going to make people angry.
In which case, that's one of the biggest challenges we have as we move forward technologically.
You'll get people saying, don't take my job away.
And then when someone gets their job taken away through no fault of their own, and then you get a government subsidy, then they're like, you're taking my tax dollars to pay them.
With this potential breakup or great reset, they will erase all of these jobs.
And they are.
We see fast food restaurants struggling to hire people.
How long until they all just upgrade to kiosks?
Many of them probably will.
And then how about this?
I went to, I was at a, I was at a, um, a rest station.
They had an ice cream, ice cream box.
And it was a little robot man.
And I put, I wanted a chocolate sundae with, with chocolate syrup and sprinkles.
And the little robot man just goes, meh, meh, meh, meh, and then hands me the little thing.
We don't need a human being to do it anymore.
So this great reset, I imagine, is going to purge a ton of jobs.
travis corcoran
To go off on a tangent about this job loss, you know, the libertarian or free market answer is, you know, actually automation and steel mills is great because it used to take 100 blacksmiths to do something and you're sure you're upset that 99% of them are unemployed, but they're now going to get new jobs as machinists.
And, you know, as we get rid of the sort of... But that's not true.
tim pool
Somebody who is mining coal can't learn to code.
travis corcoran
Right.
And so I agree with you.
And that's where I'm going with this thesis.
It was true to some decent degree that as certain jobs went away, there were always more jobs that were brought in.
But we're getting to a point where we can automate any job that requires less than a 70 IQ and then an 80 IQ and a 90 IQ.
And, you know, someone who happens to be born with a 90 IQ, that's no deficit of character.
That's just how it is.
And he's equally a human being as anyone else.
But you start to get to a problem when we can automate anything under a 90 or 95 or 100 or 105 IQ, and I do worry that we're getting to that world.
Now, you were talking about the anger against welfare, and there is a fair bit of anger, but on the other hand, we have as a society a rhetorical device, or several rhetorical devices.
We have welfare for the old cold social security, and the polite fiction is you paid into that.
And you did, but you end up taking a lot more out of it than you put in.
And we have another polite fiction, which is disability.
And the fiction there is you can't work, so a decent society helps you.
And there are some people who are truly disabled.
There was a good article in the Atlantic, I don't know, like two or three years ago, talking about how disability is kind of a different form of welfare, where if you go to the right doctor and say the right things, where there are unfalsifiable statements like, my back hurts, then you get it.
And so, you know, all societies have white lies they tell themselves, and I wonder if disability is ours to deal with the fact that cognitive things are being priced out.
tim pool
Let's think about that in the context of the Great Reset or a great divorce in this country.
How will people in cities get access to food from farmers?
Right now what we're seeing is they're doing this unemployment thing.
They've been doing it non-stop.
They're doing child tax credits now.
So a lot of people who aren't working are getting money.
That means for the farmer who's growing corn or wheat or whatever and they go to sell it, They do a lot of work.
They have to.
You can't just snap your fingers and make that stuff.
travis corcoran
It's hard work.
You don't just poke a hole in the ground and drop a seed and it was a coma or something.
tim pool
Right, but the people in the cities, they're handed money and they walk to you and they get your labor effectively for free.
I can't imagine that's sustainable.
The only way that actually keeps sustaining itself is that the people doing the work don't know that people who aren't doing work are, you know, as long as they don't know that's happening, but they do know it's happening.
So I can only imagine, you know, going back to that, as you mentioned, what did you call it, a red state belief?
travis corcoran
Yeah, red state, red tribe.
tim pool
Red tribe belief.
I'll tell you this, man.
I know a lot of people live in cities.
You put them in the middle of the woods, it's over.
travis corcoran
So this ties into a prepping thing where, you know, I sometimes flip through prepping magazines when I'm at the bookstore having a coffee, which I do, you know, once a week or so.
Or, you know, someone will forward me something off of a prepping form.
And people like this idea that, oh, I'm going to buy a can of survival seeds.
Or my plan when the system collapses, I'm going to bug out and I'm going to find an
abandoned farm and I'll just start farming.
And you know, speaking of my own experience, my wife and I have been on the farm for about
eight years and we have been working, you know, hugely hard, you know, on the order
of, you know, all of Saturday, all of Sunday, weeding and chainsawing down trees and converting
pasture and stretching fences.
And we've also brought in pros to help us with some of this, like fencing and other
And there's so much equipment and there's so much specialized knowledge, which is why the books are so thick, where, you know, I learned that, you know, oh, in this pasture I want to grow hay so that I can feed sheep, so I can get food from that, but before I can grow hay I've got to kill off the poison ivy, which means that I need to put down 2,4-D and 3,6-D at a certain application rate.
tim pool
We are.
travis corcoran
And just to finish real quickly, the idea that you're going to wander out with a can of survival seeds as civilization is collapsing and, you know, feed yourself is absolutely insane.
Homesteading is a viable approach, but, you know, it's a 10-year plan.
tim pool
What's the, for, let's, tomatoes.
How long out of the year do you get viable tomatoes?
travis corcoran
Right, absolutely.
So, you know, if you plant all of your tomatoes at once, all of your tomato harvest is gonna come in
over a course of two weeks.
Now you can stagger that by planting tomatoes week one, week two, week three in different batches.
But even then, your tomatoes are gonna be very, you know, short interval,
and there's not a lot of calories in tomatoes.
So, you know, again, getting the survival scenario.
This is fine.
You know, homesteading is a hobby and a lifestyle.
I'll defend it as that.
But it's not, you know, a way to survive the apocalypse with no inputs.
There's a huge amount of inputs of diesel fuel and fertilizer and other stuff.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We have our tomatoes.
I would say that we had four.
Standard tomato plants and one cherry tomato.
The cherry tomatoes?
Easy.
I walk outside, we pick them all, we walk in, they're good to go.
The regular tomatoes?
Extremely difficult.
The bugs get them, and they rot.
Some of them turn black.
travis corcoran
And there's all sorts of details, like if you want to save the seeds from tomatoes.
Tomatoes are tricky because there is a sort of gel-like coating on the seeds and you have to let the seeds sit in the gel and rot for a week or two and then wash them off and then preserve the seeds.
And this is another thing that, uh, you know, if you don't know this stuff, you're just going to make an absolute, uh, hash of it.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, um, we, you know, we have a garden and the funny thing is we get like baseball bat size zucchini.
And over the course of the past two weeks, it's like, we can't eat all this.
Like we just set, we set up a garden, but we grew a whole bunch.
All the, all the tomatoes come around the same time and then we're like, what are we going to do?
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
Make a sauce, I guess?
travis corcoran
You know, preservation technology is huge and there's a whole lot of flavors that we as
humans like because we sort of evolved in a semi-civilized state.
We love smoked beef jerky because that's a preservation technology.
We like pickles because that's a preservation technology.
We like cheese because that's a preservation technology.
And my hint with the zucchini, by the way, I peel my zucchini, I shred them in a food processor, I vacuum seal them, I throw them in a chest freezer, and then I mix that with ground turkey and onions and make turkey fritters all year long.
tim pool
Amazing.
Now, what's fascinating, though, is that a lot of what you're describing is we've got modern technology like freezers and refrigerators.
So I'll tell you this, man.
Where we are right now, this facility is going to be, for the most part, off the grid.
travis corcoran
Nice.
tim pool
Meaning our water is well water, and we're getting solar and batteries installed.
travis corcoran
Nice.
tim pool
We're still on the grid, but in the event of an absolute catastrophe, we're going to be able to be fine.
We'll have to reduce a lot of our energy consumption, but actually we'll have a decent amount of power.
These batteries are hefty, man.
travis corcoran
Yep.
I carried like 4,000 pounds of lead acid batteries down to my basement to build my system, so I know all about it.
Yeah, they are hefty.
tim pool
Well, I think we're gonna have lithium.
travis corcoran
Nice.
tim pool
I'm not entirely sure.
travis corcoran
I put mine in around seven or eight years ago, and I'm going to... I'm building out the solar right now, and the second battery bank is gonna be lithium, so it's great.
tim pool
But let's be real, man.
Like, people in cities stacked on top of each other?
They're not gonna have any of this.
travis corcoran
Absolutely not.
tim pool
The power's gonna go out, and the food's gonna be gone.
I was in New York when Sandy hit, and there were two guys standing outside of a bodega with 2x4s and a baseball bat, one person at a time, and the guy said, all the refrigerator stuff is spoiled, because the power was out for a couple weeks, I think.
They were like, the cans are good, everything else is spoiled, so take what you want.
Mountain Dew was fine, all the sodas were fine, but anything perishable, gone.
So your freezers, all that stuff, in the city?
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
Over.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
What are those people gonna do?
travis corcoran
Yeah, no, they are absolutely screwed.
tim pool
You're gonna find them on your farm.
travis corcoran
Well, you know, I do have a chapter on firearms.
tim pool
Well, there you go!
travis corcoran
Right.
You know, this ties back to the idea of prepping and the power law, which is the title of one of the essays, I think it's in volume two, where, you know, how often does New York City lose power?
You know, for a week or something.
It happened, I think, back in 76 or 78 or something.
ian crossland
Hurricane Sandy.
travis corcoran
And Hurricane Sandy.
So this is the kind of thing, it seems inconceivable, but you pull back and zoom out and you're like, no, this crap happens every 30 or 40 years and you're going to live another 30 or 40 years.
You're going to see it happen again.
You're going to see all these things happen in your lifetime.
tim pool
This is the craziest thing to me about when I was like, last year, I'm like, hey guys, pick up these, you know, food bins.
I gotta say, it was mostly these young people.
A lot of these lefties, these socialists, are young.
They don't have the worldly experience to have dealt with these things.
Having seen Hurricane Sandy, I was like, wow, it would be great if I had one of those food bins.
So I remember when I was living in New York, and I can't remember what was happening, there was some concern about another storm.
I went and bought two things of bottled water.
I was like, that's gonna be important.
They tell you in Chicago, Whenever they say there's a big storm coming, you fill up your bathtub.
Because if the water goes bad, if lines break, if some disaster happens, you've got a bunch of water in your bathtub.
That's the kind of thing people who are older, I guess, learn.
Younger people don't.
But still, there is this arrogance of many people who live in cities.
Like you said, they think they can grab a can of seeds and go find a farm somewhere.
I'll tell you, man, in the, uh, what did, uh, what did Noam Chomsky say?
In the arena of violence, the most brutal guy wins, and that ain't us.
And he was referring to leftists.
travis corcoran
Right, right.
tim pool
These people think that they're gonna go out to a farm, where they're gonna find a guy who's been using a gun, a firearm, or multiple ones, for practical purposes, be it hunting, or, you know, or, or, or, you know, dealing with, uh, rodents and stuff, and they're gonna be able to walk on and just lay claim to a already built up and secured and maintained farm?
ian crossland
Fertilizer.
Yeah, that's what they're gonna be is fertilizer, right?
tim pool
You know, I don't know if humans can be fertilizer.
That's kind of I don't know.
travis corcoran
I've got a chapter of composting Well, we hope it doesn't come to that right right a lot of hungry people though You know, so there's another thing that I hear in prepping circles, and it's a feel-good phrase, you know, it's not the equipment that you have that matters, it's what you know that matters.
Because, you know, equipment can be taken from you, but what you know is a resource.
tim pool
Yeah.
travis corcoran
And, you know, if there's some guy living in a basement, you know, in Brooklyn, and he's been reading survival forums for six years, and then the system collapsed, and he comes out to my farm and wants to share his knowledge with me for food, you know, I don't need any knowledge that this guy, you know, learned from endlessly recycled blog posts.
Um, you know, there's, oh gosh, uh, there's some ancient Greek words for different kinds of knowledge, uh, technion, metis or something.
Um, but to really, really know something, you've got to do it and you've got to do it ahead of time.
And you're absolutely doing this with your tomatoes and your chicken.
So if you lost power, you've already practiced it.
So that's real knowledge.
It's not something that you're just doing right now.
tim pool
We got a, we got a couple of mulberry trees.
And so we made mulberry jam.
We made a, uh, we mixed wine berry and mulberry, like a wild berry.
That was actually really, I'm not a big fan of mulberries.
travis corcoran
Oh, I love them, but okay.
tim pool
But when you mix them, when I mix them with the wine berries, it's really good.
And the wine berries alone, I think the combination, but anyway, digress.
Do you know how many calories, you probably do, are in ten mulberries?
travis corcoran
Uh, I'm guessing that it rounds to zero.
Like ten.
unidentified
Six.
travis corcoran
Okay, alright.
tim pool
Six.
Yeah, Ian nailed it last time.
unidentified
He was like, six.
tim pool
I'm like, how did you know that?
unidentified
But Josh, ten.
tim pool
Uh-huh.
Wow, that's a small handful of berries you're gonna shove in your mouth.
Six calories.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
You will not... There's no amount of mulberry you're gonna eat to sustain yourself for even a few hours.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
And so, you know, naturally occurring fruits and stuff, people don't realize... I'll tell you this story.
And this plays into exactly what I'm saying.
I had friends during Occupy Wall Street got granted farmland.
How long do you think, let me ask you, how long do you think they made it?
travis corcoran
So they went out there and tried to start farming from scratch?
tim pool
They said, we don't want to be on the grid.
We're tired of contributing to this machine of pollution and climate change.
So we're going to the farm to live sustainably.
travis corcoran
Three days?
A week?
tim pool
Two weeks.
I'm impressed.
Most people say a couple months.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
Two weeks.
You know what they realized?
I asked my friend.
She was like, I was like, why'd you come back?
She was like, because I wake up at 6am to work, go to bed at midnight.
travis corcoran
Yep.
tim pool
And I'm like, yeah?
What did you think farming was?
When you are actually trying to sustain yourself, you never stop working.
travis corcoran
Right, right.
And this gets into, you know, people have said to me, oh, you know, if we had a collapse, I bet you'd love it.
You know, like, no, man.
Right now, it's a very, very hard hobby that I do on the weekends with lots of diesel fuel coming in from outside.
If that diesel fuel went away and, you know, I tried to make a producer gas still using old FEMA plans and started logging trees to make producer gas to do stuff, you know, it's better than starving to death, but that's hard work.
tim pool
But you know what I did this morning?
I went out and I grabbed some fresh jalapenos and a poblano and some some cherry tomatoes and then I went to the chicken coop and I got a couple eggs and so uh one of our chickens is I guess she's young so she's doing double eggs like they're twice as big they're Right.
And I would say, to be fair, 99% of my breakfast was completely homegrown.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
But I threw in some garlic powder.
travis corcoran
And people like to say, you know, and it's so much healthier.
I'm not sure it is healthier, but man, it's so much more satisfying, isn't it?
That's just amazing.
We're like, this all came from here.
tim pool
You know, to be honest, I'm not a big fan of like throwing peppers.
Like if I went to a restaurant, I ordered, I'd be like, give me the bacon and the eggs with extra cheese on top.
But today, I had cherry tomatoes with fresh-cut jalapenos poblano on eggs, and it tasted so good.
travis corcoran
Nice, nice.
You know, that is one of the most satisfying things, and we've done all sorts of stuff.
You know, we've made corn fritters, we've made maple syrup creme brulee from maple trees that we've tapped, and I boil down the sap and make my own maple syrup.
I push back on homesteaders who say everything tastes better.
Like, no, you know, some food at, you know, Whole Foods and the supermarkets tastes really good.
The one thing that comes from the farm that's just absolutely amazing is homemade bacon.
And, you know, I'm not gonna say it's 10% better, it's 20% better.
Homemade bacon is, like, literally 10 times better.
Like, you just don't want store-made stuff.
tim pool
We've got farms around here, and so we have gotten fresh bacon, and it is indescribable.
I don't even want the store-bought stuff.
travis corcoran
It's not the same.
Yeah, it's a pale imitation.
It's like turkey bacon or something.
tim pool
It's like turkey bacon.
travis corcoran
And if I can plug my own book again, I've got tons of details on how to make your own bacon from scratch, and you can do it even living in the suburbs.
tim pool
Is it just Take pig cut.
travis corcoran
Well, it does. Yeah.
I mean, the ingredients say, you know, you need, you know, salt, salt, man.
And you need and you need pig and, you know, for pig, see page four fifty eight.
But you can practice a bunch of the stuff living in the suburbs.
You can buy a whole pork belly from the butcher and do it.
tim pool
Do you think people who live in cities should escape the cities right now?
travis corcoran
You know, so one of the things I've got in the intro chapter is, you know,
here's a three year here's a one year plan.
You're ready to move, what do you need to do?
Here's a three-year plan, and one of the things I have is a ten-year plan for young adults, because I've had a lot of, you know, friends on Twitter who are 22 or 26 ask me.
And, you know, I've said on the 10-year plan, don't move right this second.
You know, the cities aren't about to collapse tomorrow.
What you need to do is learn a skill, you need to learn some stuff, and you need to find your mate.
It's a lot easier to meet people in the city than it is out in the middle of nowhere.
tim pool
So you don't think, I think people should be getting away from cities immediately.
travis corcoran
Okay.
Well, that's going to help me sell the book.
So I agree, Tim.
I've never heard an idea.
That's so right.
tim pool
With, with, with, you know, you look at how the law's being enforced.
Um, it's, it's been referred to, uh, I know Mike Mike Cernovich tweeted about this.
I think, um, maybe Michael Malice may have mentioned it.
Anarcho-tyranny.
travis corcoran
Absolutely, and those are two good followers.
I follow both those guys as well.
tim pool
For those that aren't familiar, narco-tyranny is basically that the government doesn't enforce the crimes and petty things that are negatively impacting your life, you're being robbed, but they do enforce anything that goes against them in any way or the powerful elites.
travis corcoran
Yeah, so absolutely.
Arson during riots?
Well, that's just a bit of vibrant democracy, you know, that went, you know, two percent too far.
tim pool
Peaceful, peaceful.
travis corcoran
But on the other hand, you know, some White-collar guy has a pistol that, you know, isn't known to the Attorney General to have all 17 of the checkpoints and, you know, he gets dragged through the system and he's lucky if he, you know, gets off without jail time after he spent $100,000 on legal fees.
tim pool
I see this as being, you know, for the most part where we are.
I mentioned that, you know, Joe Biden clearly isn't speaking to half the country and that's a failure on his part.
I mean, you look at what Jen Psaki issued one of the most shocking statements when she said that they were working with Facebook to censor people.
travis corcoran
Oh my God, that was horrifying.
tim pool
When the Biden administration is now admitting that they're working with the DNC to go to phone carriers to censor private text messages, it is beyond, it is an anarcho-tyranny.
There are riots in the streets, the crime is skyrocketing, the police are being defunded, yet the government is coming after private citizens to an extreme degree.
travis corcoran
There was a great quote, I think it was from P.J.
O'Rourke, I read it 10 or 20 years ago, which is that PETA goes after women wearing fur coats and not bikers wearing leather jackets.
Part of the explanation behind anarcho-tyranny, you know, I mentioned earlier that I studied Roman history and one thing in the later days of the empire, the Roman political elite wanted triumphs, which was a big parade through downtown Rome because it looked great, you'd have treasure.
And the problem is that to conquer a tough foreign tribe is hard and there's not many of them, they're far away.
So at some point the Roman political elites started waging war against allies and their own provinces Um, because it was a way to, you know, kill a bunch of people and take some treasure.
tim pool
Yeah.
travis corcoran
Um, and so this ties into a narco tyranny.
Who's easier to prosecute?
Sort of, you know, some, uh, you know, high ranking, uh, you know, corruption or just pick a random white collar guy.
tim pool
You know, you know, I'm, I'm just, I'm at this point sick of people who are the frog in the pot boiling, who refuse to accept what is happening around them.
Because I've had so many conversations where I'm like, listen, You know, I'm not trying to be a doomsayer.
I am not absolutely predicting what will happen.
I'm only simply asking, if everything we've seen over the past 10 years has been escalating, do you think it is more likely that the escalation will continue or that right now the escalation will stop and things will improve?
travis corcoran
Right.
That's a great way to frame it.
tim pool
But that's I'm so I'm not saying I mean quite literally tomorrow Joe Biden could come out and say I want to issue a heartfelt sincere apology to all of Trump supporters for everything that's happened in this country and I want to know that I am here for you and I'm going to be sitting down and you know he could he could say something he won't right what does he say he says the Republicans voting bills is the greatest threat since the Civil War they no one no one is backing down And no one will stop.
travis corcoran
This gets into the rhetoric where Nazi and racist are the ultimate trump cards.
Uh, you know, the civil war.
So this is implicitly putting anyone who doesn't agree with, you know, sort of every policy of the democratic party is obviously on the side of bringing back slavery.
tim pool
Civil war.
He's saying it at a time when, when we have this, this poll coming out, whether the poll is accurate or not.
And the sentiment is rising for, for a breakup of this country.
I can only say that a president who would say that is encouraging and he's an accelerationist.
He wants it to happen.
I can say this over and over again.
I do not want anything bad to happen to this country, and I think the divide is horrifying because of what will happen with our enemies.
The last thing I want is for China to take Taiwan.
Now there's no chips for computers and cars, and China controls that.
They gain more control in all of these other regions as they are expanding with the Belt and Road Initiative.
We need a strong United America.
Joe Biden, I think, is doing everything to rip it apart.
travis corcoran
You know, there was an essay I read once, I think it was by this guy, Clark Hatt, on Status 451 blog, talking about the machinery of state and state machines.
And the idea is that there are things that can roll forward, but that can't roll back the same way.
And you can see it in mechanical engineering with worm gears and everything.
And I'm not sure what the output of this is.
I mean, accelerationism and the collapse of the United States sounds terrible, but if we were in the kind of system where we could back up, we would have already backed up.
So I don't know how we get out of this.
tim pool
I have talked to so many people, and I mention this frequently, particularly in the past week or so with this poll that came out, talk of Thucydides Trap, the MIT study that came, you saw that MIT thing?
travis corcoran
I did not.
tim pool
1972, MIT said, was it MIT?
It was MIT, right?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, they just tied into the coral of waves and I think they said by 2040 society will collapse due to these factors and
everything I'm like I'm looking at all these things
I'm looking at a vice president who's saying this is the biggest threat since the Civil War and he said the Confederates
never made it To the Capitol and I'm like wow, dude, you're saying these
these Trump supporters There were hundreds of thousands of people who didn't go in
the Capitol. You're likening Trump's base to the Confederates
How could that not be accelerationism?
But I see this.
I've seen so many people over the past several years tell me I was wrong or crazy to think that we're headed towards some kind of civil conflict.
And I'm like, bro, we're in it.
Yeah, we are in it.
And you know.
How could we have come to this point?
I had a conversation recently with someone who was like, no, no, everything's going to be fine.
It's going to calm down.
We're all going to go back to normal.
And I'm like, why?
Because Trump's going to decide not to run?
Because Trump's going to just disappear overnight?
Or do you think 2022 Trump's going to be doing the circuit, promoting people in the midterms, the media is going to find their path towards making money again.
And so that doesn't matter what's true or not.
They're going to go, they're absolutely insane, rile people up to an extreme degree.
And then we're going to have three years of that.
And you think it's going to be all fine?
travis corcoran
You know, I think, so I'm agreeing with your overall thesis, but I think even if Trump dropped dead from a heart attack tomorrow, the two tribes have been led to hate each other so much.
And this is, you know, fuel.
The media loves it.
The Democrats love it.
And because it gets excitement, it gets people out to the polls, it gets donations.
The New York Times loves it.
I mean, the New York Times has been hugely more profitable over the last few years than it ever was before.
tim pool
The ACLU is the perfect example.
travis corcoran
They used to be wonderful.
I mean, I lean more to the right than to the left, but I always loved the ACLU.
Man, they stick by their principles, and even I, who disagree with most of the members of it, on free speech, they rock.
tim pool
But what happened was they made a bunch of money when they challenged Donald Trump's moratorium on travel from the seven countries, and then they got a bunch of flack over Charlottesville.
And so they immediately said, Money is more important than values.
And we've seen that with many different organizations.
travis corcoran
The universities.
I mean, there used to be the concept of academic freedom where, okay, this one professor with his crazy ideas, you know, disagrees with all decent society, but we respect free speech and free inquiry so much that we will support him in this.
And, you know, that was a useful tool until the left could entirely finish their long march through the institutions.
But now that they've got it, there's no academic freedom at all.
If you want to say anything that departs from the party line by 2%, you can get fired.
tim pool
I look at these nonprofits and I look at the media and I'm just like, I don't think there's a point at which the two different versions of reality ever meet.
So I love calling this organization FreePress.net.
You ever hear of them?
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What do you think they're supposed to be representing?
travis corcoran
Um, from the title, uh, I would think the free press.
tim pool
Now, would you be surprised to find out they were advocating censorship?
travis corcoran
I would not be surprised.
tim pool
That's exactly what they've been doing.
travis corcoran
It's 1984, man.
tim pool
Yep.
They, they came out heavily against Alex Jones saying he must be censored and banned and removed.
And I knew people there and I hit them up and I was like, what are you doing?
And they were like, this is important.
You know, he spreads lies.
And I'm like, you're the free press.
Of course, you're going to defend people who will say bad things.
You have to.
travis corcoran
There's this current push right now to get rid of misinformation, and I'm reading a book, I was reading it on the airplane, about the Soviets, how they almost invented the internet, and they had a couple of networking attempts in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and they had the whole concept of, you know, cybernetics, which came from the U.S., and then the Soviets were playing with it, and there was one part of cybernetics and information theory and Claude Shannon and everything that immediately had resonance with them, And that was static or noise in the system, because it fit into their ideology.
You could talk about information on the one hand and noise on the other.
And that was chilling to read this in the book about the Soviet internet attempts of the 1970s, because we're hearing it every day with, oh, of course we have free speech, but not for misinformation.
And like, oh man.
tim pool
And do you see what NPR said?
That the truth, with not proper context, is misinformation.
travis corcoran
Wonderful.
tim pool
So, what's proper context?
Framing.
So when the Guardian comes out with an article that says the Kremlin seems to have compromise on Trump, or according to a document, And then all of these people in the establishment left just read the headline and don't actually read the story.
They believe that we have the proof that Trump is compromised.
Then you read the actual story.
What do they say?
It's highly unusual.
Suspect.
The Kremlin denies it.
Trump denies it.
And we haven't confirmed any of the documents, but experts think it may be real.
travis corcoran
Right.
tim pool
OK, so none of it's confirmed.
Why did you publish it?
But if you read nothing but the headline, there you go.
It's proof.
travis corcoran
You know, Snopes.com is amazing these days because we'll have a politician say, you know, the sun rises in the east and you know, then Snopes will say, you know, this is
absolutely false without more context because actually the earth is rotating in the sun stand right. Oh,
tim pool
man. Well, the way I always describe it to people is that what they'll do is that there'll be a
video of Donald Trump doing a backflip off of, you know, a balcony and landing perfectly
in a superhero pose.
Everyone will share the video and it'll go viral.
It'll get 10 million views and every conservative will say, wow, this Trump is spry, you know, for a 77 year old man.
And then Snopes will say, did Donald Trump do a perfect backflip off of a balcony and land in a superhero pose on Sunday?
ian crossland
And then it'll say, false.
tim pool
Then it'll give you a bunch of exposition garbage, and like on Saturday, you know, the 15th, Donald Trump was giving a speech, and then finally— Trump, a known liar.
Exactly.
Without evidence, had made these claims, and finally at the bottom, after 500, 600 words, it'll say, while Trump did do a perfect backflip, and he did land in a superhero pose, it was on Sunday— it was on Monday at midnight, which is not Sunday.
travis corcoran
Right, which in Eastern time zone is not Sunday, yeah.
tim pool
Exactly.
That's the game.
ian crossland
I've been thinking about how we were talking earlier about how it's not a linear.
We're talking about the acceleration ism.
It's essentially, and it's not linear.
It's like, it's kind of like a J correct, which makes me think of that.
It's the beginning of an amplification wave that may come back down.
So maybe it's not going to keep going.
travis corcoran
Maybe, you know, every exponential curve is an S curve.
Once you get to the end of it.
ian crossland
And so what causes it to amplify greater is coherent interference.
We've got all this fake news saying the same stuff, creating this amplification wave.
If we create some sort of decoherent interference, maybe we can reduce the amplification and slow the acceleration.
travis corcoran
It seems plausible.
You know, I tend to, I've gotten sort of apolitical or post-political or something over the last couple of years, not because I don't think politics matters.
You know, this is fascinating stuff and I love to sit here and analyze it.
And I love to, you know, sort of go back and read old books and see what, you know, correlations we can get.
But I think these systems are huger.
And by systems, I mean sort of, you know, I'm pro free market, but capitalism at this point is this massive, you know, sort of headless monster with 7 billion people in it.
And, you know, capitalism is going to do what it's going to do.
It's like evolution.
You get perfect sharks.
You may or may not want a shark, but it doesn't matter.
And, you know, you get the perfect Facebook.
You get the perfect, you know, etc.
And you get the perfect Democratic Party.
And you get the perfect Republican Party.
tim pool
It's only a matter of time.
You get the perfect movies.
Movies have whittled down to the lowest common denominator of giant robots blowing stuff up.
It used to be like Groundhog Day, you know?
ian crossland
It's going to be perfect.
travis corcoran
And so my response to this is mostly to just pull back and disconnect.
And so, you know, I've got my friends, I've got, you know, good old books that I read.
ian crossland
I think this is the decoherent interference.
Talking about things that aren't in that narrative is creating a decoherence, which is reducing the amplification.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
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And that's usually where we talk about the things that YouTube bans you for.
But we'll see.
Sometimes they're just chillin' fun.
Let's see what we got.
All right.
I don't think I can read your name, Anna.
We'll just say Anna.
No one cares about France or Australia.
American freedom is dying.
Everything else is irrelevant.
Well, you need to understand that France and Australia could serve as a canary in the coal mine.
France is a nation that is very rebellious, to say the least.
And they're also having extremely draconian laws.
Australia is, you know, a British Commonwealth.
Not too dissimilar from the United States in certain ways, but they don't have a Bill of Rights.
So, we can thank our lucky stars when we see these countries and the bad things that happen.
Ireland passed a vaccine passport stuff recently.
So, the Bill of Rights.
Thank your lucky stars, but I don't know how much longer it's gonna keep protecting us.
All right, let's see.
Oh, what's this?
David Quesada says, Tony Hawk came out of retirement and you're not a real skater if you don't talk about it.
Well, um, good for Tony.
He is one of the best skateboarders ever, simply by, well, vert skating for sure.
His skating street was always funny because he's like a, he's a vert skater guy.
But, uh, he's a legend.
I mean, he invented so much of skateboarding.
However, I think at his current age, I don't see him competing with, like, Guy Curry, who just did a 1080 for the first time in a competition.
12-year-old kid.
unidentified
12.
travis corcoran
Tony Hawk's Twitter game is pretty good.
I like him.
tim pool
Tony Hawk's Twitter game consists of him not being recognized by people.
travis corcoran
I wonder what Tony Hawk is doing right now.
This.
tim pool
Right, right.
I do love it where they're like, hey, your name's Tony.
He's like, yep, like that skateboarder Tony Hawk.
He's like, that's right.
I love those tweets.
unidentified
They're hilarious.
travis corcoran
Absolutely.
tim pool
He discovered that he's famous, but no one knows what he looks like.
No, some people do.
All right, Hayden says, Travis, great to have you.
I just bought 40 acres of mountain forest land and I'm realizing I will need to clear dozens of 40 foot trees to build and have a garden.
travis corcoran
Awesome.
tim pool
Do you have any, do you have advice for starting with totally raw land 20 miles from town?
Now, real quick, I also have about an acre with tons of trees on it and your advice on how to deal with it?
travis corcoran
You know, I don't want to sound too much like a shill, but I've got an entire chapter on exactly that.
You start with a forest and you want pasture there.
What are the like 17 steps?
And the short version is you're going to log those trees, you're probably going to have an excavator come in to pull
out the stumps, then you're going to do a soil test, you're going to amend
the soil as necessary, and there's a lot more, but it's absolutely doable.
tim pool
But that's not doable by, well, I mean, for the most part, we're talking about modern technology in a functioning
economy to make this happen.
travis corcoran
So, you know, the way that this was classically done in colonial America is that you would debark the trees and then they would die and then you could farm in between them.
And you could even log as you got time.
You know, people tend to log in the winter.
That's when I do my logging because it's a lot easier to skid the logs out to my firewood pile using my tractor on top of snow because it sort of lubricates and it also protects the pasture.
tim pool
And it's easier to see, right?
travis corcoran
Yeah, yeah.
And you don't have to deal with all of the leaves on the trees.
So, you know, you can do this all at once by, you know, throwing a lot of money at it, or you can make it a 10-year project, and there's tons of good firewood there.
There's a rule of thumb that you can pull one quart of firewood out of one acre of forest per year sustainably forever.
And so there's that, but also if you want to log it all at once, there's a huge amount of firewood there.
You can also call in a logger.
He might do it for you, but he might want two-thirds or three-quarters of the wood.
Um, and that's all covered.
It's a huge topic and it's fascinating.
I love talking about forestry and logging and I love doing it.
tim pool
Cool.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
JM says, Hey Ian, I was just thinking about the time I was in a drug-induced coma.
I'm pretty sure I saw interdimensional beings.
What do you think?
ian crossland
Totally possible.
You ever take psychedelics?
travis corcoran
I have been fascinated.
I never have, but man, I'd like to meet the machine elves someday.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Rola Koala says, Down with communism.
We as a nation need less screen time and more community.
Service guarantees citizenship.
Oh, Ian, down with the Fed.
I, I, I, we need more community.
You know, Jon Stewart said it.
And I, and the reason I cite Jon Stewart is because that should be a message to the left.
He, come on, you like this guy, right?
Well, he was like, he actually said we needed a draft of some sort.
travis corcoran
I, I've got a problem with that.
You know, I think that people confuse sort of good things that come from terrible things with an overall benefit from it.
So, you know, you get drafted for a very good cause, which is, you know, fascism is terrible and putting people in death camps is terrible, and then you make a lot of, you know, lifelong buddies and whatever, but right now most of the wars we're fighting are absolutely idiotic and it's always people who wouldn't be subject to the draft who think that other people need to be drafted.
I don't believe in slavery.
tim pool
He wasn't saying military draft.
travis corcoran
He was saying some kind of community-like... I don't want to be drafted to be a social worker and I wouldn't want anyone else to be drafted for it either.
tim pool
I thought about this.
The challenge is that you end up with a bunch of entitled people and there's a balance.
It's not so simple, I guess.
The libertarian aspect of it is leave me alone, let me do my thing, which is where I usually land on when it comes to that dividing line.
But I also recognize that without a shared community space, that's what I was saying earlier.
travis corcoran
I do agree with this, yeah.
tim pool
If people are online and, like, you know, I'm talking only to, you know, more libertarian types, but then my neighbor is talking to socialists, conflicts are brewing because we live next to each other.
So there's got to be some kind of cohesion.
travis corcoran
I do agree that shared culture is good.
I also think that shared experiences coming out of voluntary behavior are much better.
And one final thing on this idea of some sort of civil draft.
Think about all the programs and the way they're actually run.
No matter how great the theory is, the schools, the DMV, think about how it's actually implemented.
And so if we had some sort of social draft, you know that the children of the rich and wealthy would end up being drafted to work in policy think tanks in D.C.
with wonderful apartments, and you know that the children of coal miners would be picking up garbage on the side of the road.
tim pool
Captain says, I have a cabin in Northern AZ and want to homestead there permanently, but I work in IT and need internet.
I have been on the Starlink waiting list for over a year now.
I believe the Starlink is moving from the East Coast towards the West Coast.
I could be wrong.
It's just because I know, I met somebody who has got New York Starlink, and they said that this area is going to get it near the late August, late 2021, they said.
So I think they're activating satellite groups, you know, moving in a direction, but I don't know for sure.
I will tell you, Starlink's amazing.
travis corcoran
Absolutely.
tim pool
When it activates, it works within a 500-mile radius, so my understanding is they want you to keep it in the same place, but as long as you're within that range, so we could drive like, you know, half an hour up the top of a mountain.
travis corcoran
Yeah, and you know, that's all sort of policy, because the satellites are continuously orbiting past, so you're getting handed off, you know, time and again.
unidentified
Right.
travis corcoran
You know, I think that Starlink is accelerating in its deployment, so I think wait a little bit longer, but that's great.
tim pool
All right.
Sat says, if you ever wondered why there's dumb failure politicians in office, it's because these people are highly sought after for government because they will say or do whatever they're told, no matter how absurd.
travis corcoran
Yeah, this gets back to evolution.
We breed politicians according to selection criteria, and the selection criteria is electability.
And when everyone has the franchise, that means that the median voter is pretty dumb and pretty uninformed.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Hulk Mash says, hey guys.
Excuse me.
First of all, this is my favorite podcast out there.
Oh, thank you very much.
Also, I use clips of the show for my TikTok, and one of the videos got over a million views.
If you ever want to back up TikTok, it's all yours.
Oh wow, cool.
Our TikTok got briefly taken down.
No idea why.
They just deleted all the videos.
And I laughed.
I'm like, whatever, man.
And then, um, I tweeted about it, and then it popped right back up.
But I'm proud to say that, um, TimCast.com, we are officially self-sustainable.
There was a big fear for a while that, like, you know, we're beholden to all these different platforms.
And then if we got banned, oh no, it's like, we can't work, what do we do?
So I was like, we gotta start a website.
We started a website, and now the new website is up, we've got a news crew.
Everything that's currently happening with our news writers and our new show and our current level is sustainable just off of the website alone.
travis corcoran
That's amazing.
tim pool
So the YouTube, all of the stuff we're doing out is like our path towards rapid expansion.
So Daily Wire can sit there and get smear pieces from NPR because they're expanding so rapidly.
Don't worry, Daily Wire.
We're coming for you.
We're going to be expanding.
Much congratulations on the success of Daily Wire.
lydia smith
I can't wait for our NPR smear piece.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
It's going to be great.
travis corcoran
You'll know you've made it.
tim pool
We were just talking with a particular individual.
I'll refrain from saying who I guess, but people might already know.
I'm extremely excited for this.
I don't even care anymore.
different shows like cultural shows so I'm extremely excited for this. TikTok can ban
us? I don't even care anymore. I'm just like whatever dude.
Eric Cecil says Kyle Kashuv is David Hogg driving the speed limit. Okay I'm not.
I think there needs to be more context there to understand what Kyle did.
I've been saying this for a long time, the right needs to be advocating for guaranteed gun access.
I'm a big fan of the idea that universal gun ownership, like the government should have to pay for people to have a gun.
Everybody.
Yeah, and you know, the argument is so long as, you know, these left says that health care is a human right and that the government should provide everyone with health care.
I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hold on.
I got I'm down.
I'm down.
But I think then everybody should have to get a gun from the government.
travis corcoran
You know, the right has been sort of overly libertarian in a certain way where the left uses the machinery of the state to indoctrinate and sort of set the playing field.
And I think that one thing that Trump has started and that other Republicans are seeing is, hey, If we manage to grab the reins of power for two or four or six years, we shouldn't just, you know, pause the expansion of the state and pause the success of the culture war from one side.
We can do something with it.
And it's going to be really interesting to see that play out.
ian crossland
You know, what's crazy is that there are reins of power at all.
I mean, maybe is that in the inevitable superstructure of the universe that there are reins of power?
Do they have to be?
tim pool
Meritocracy exists.
Whether the communists want to believe it or not, it is a real thing.
So look, during Occupy Wall Street, they kept saying, we have no leaders.
And I was like, they're standing right there.
I can see them.
They're the ones talking to the camera.
Well, but they're not really leaders.
Yes, but whatever they say, you do.
You can say they're not formally leaders, but they're clearly the ones who control all the money, who determine when you march, who determine when the meetings happen, and shut down people they don't want to speak.
ian crossland
I guess the problem of meritocracy being real is who holds the reins of power isn't necessarily the one with the merit.
tim pool
Well, no, no.
I disagree to a certain extent.
I mean, certainly we can argue that a great leader who's very smart and capable would be the one with the true merit, but in terms of wielding power is the person capable of wielding it.
So it's kind of like you said, there's a giant rock.
Who can lift the giant rock?
The person capable of picking it up and carrying it.
ian crossland
Or who gets there first.
tim pool
Well, no, not really.
ian crossland
Who deceives all the others about where the rock is.
tim pool
Look, look, look, could you, if you were, if there's a giant rock, you know, let's say, the Atlas stone we have, what does that weigh, 160?
travis corcoran
You guys have, you have an Atlas stone, that's awesome.
tim pool
We do, yeah, well someone brought it for us.
If, Ian, if the rock, Dwayne Johnson, gave you a 10 minute head start, do you think you'd be able to lift the Atlas stone before him?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
He'd show up, step aside, sir, and then he'd pick it up very easily.
ian crossland
There are some people that are built to carry rocks.
tim pool
There are some people who are brutal.
Is that how leadership works, too?
When you look at, like, Occupy Wall Street, there was a power vacuum.
There was a bunch of people there, there was a bunch of interest in funding it, and there was a vacuum in who controlled it until someone said, I will.
And everyone went, OK.
And then that person took it by saying they wanted it.
travis corcoran
There's an interesting thing here that whoever takes it, that's sort of the metric that is being tested for.
You know, whoever successfully pulls the sword out of the stone or whoever successfully rises to the front of the crowded Occupy.
And the mistake the founders make was thinking that whoever could win elections was the best leader or most appealed to the populace.
And in a sense, they're right.
It most appealed to the populace.
But it's a simple test.
There's some rule of thumb, and I forget what it is, but whenever you have a metric that's
being tested in an organization or in an industrial process, it works for a minute, and then pretty
soon it gets subverted because people start optimizing for the test and not for the true
underlying thing which you were approximating with the test.
And I think that's true of democracy.
tim pool
All right.
Atari Kids says slavery in the British Empire ended in 1833, but slavery in England ceased
after the Norman Conquest.
The Somerset Case of 1772 ruled that slavery was so odious that nothing can be suffered to support it but positive law.
Interesting.
travis corcoran
I've got one piece of tangential thing there, which is I touch on the Norman Conquest in my homesteading books in the context of how deeds work for tractors.
tim pool
Huh.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
JR says you can burn plant matter to make potassium chloride.
It's a salt substitute.
Can also harvest it from animal blood.
Oh, really?
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess they gotta have salt in them.
So I guess you can get salt from deer blood, huh?
travis corcoran
Uh, true.
I make black pudding from pig blood, and it's salty.
tim pool
Oh, blood pudding.
Is that blood pudding?
travis corcoran
Yeah, it's good.
tim pool
Yeah, I love blood pudding.
The first time I had it was in the UK, and you get like a black disc.
travis corcoran
Yep, yep.
tim pool
And then I'm like, what's that?
And they're like, blood pudding.
I'm like, cool!
I know a lot of people who hate it, but I'm like, food's food, man.
travis corcoran
Nah, it's decent.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
Seb says, hi from Sweden.
First time catching the show live for obvious reasons.
Been subbed since the van videos.
Wow, that was like the first video.
Excellent, man.
lydia smith
Wrong time.
unidentified
What up, dude?
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Scary Parody says, officially closed on our Florida home today.
Here's 10 bucks to celebrate.
I can't wait to be living there.
Goodbye, Seattle.
Oh, talk about an epic move.
travis corcoran
Congrats.
tim pool
From Seattle to Florida.
Now, my only issue with Florida is the weather.
But the governance, it's not bad.
travis corcoran
That's my only reason, uh, issue with Texas.
I'd be there if it weren't for the heat.
tim pool
Oh man.
Luke keeps trying to get us to go to New Hampshire.
travis corcoran
It's good.
tim pool
Even, even before we came out here, he was like, New Hampshire is way better.
And I was like, dude, I don't want to be in New Hampshire.
It's expensive.
There, you know, there's not as much land.
It's way more expensive.
I'm like, I'll be in the middle of nowhere in the middle of mountains.
Plus like, you know, New Hampshire is surrounded by all these blue areas.
travis corcoran
There is that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Very, very heavily, just every direction.
But you do got water access.
travis corcoran
Yep.
Yep.
We've got a river.
If the country partitions and New Hampshire is taken over by Massachusetts, then I'll be a refugee.
tim pool
All right, we got a nice big super chat from TRDSCFJC about not liking Black Rifle Coffee Company.
YouTube's not going to allow me to read that super chat.
Suffice it to say, they are very upset with Black Rifle Coffee.
As am I. Saying that they don't support patriots who defend themselves against bad child abusers, felons, and domestic abusers.
They say, free Kyle, salty army is legion, the salt must flow and read.
Yeah, I saw a lot of bad stuff about Black Rifle.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
Because they're basically lumping in, like, the majority of the right in with the most extreme elements.
travis corcoran
Absolutely.
I was tweeting about, even earlier, a month or so ago, I saw that I think their CEO had donated to a pro-gun control politician who said, no one needs an AR-15.
So, uh, you know, Black Rifle is an interesting marketing scheme, but I'm not sending them my money.
tim pool
Well, they were able to get a bunch of money from a lot of conservatives, so.
Alright, let's see.
Anime Freak says, You guys mentioned a few videos back, text censorship.
I work in one of the highest departments you can work in within one of the major carriers and I can say, if a law was made, we likely wouldn't bet an eye implementing it.
Interesting.
Well, the intention of the government is very scary.
John Clapperton says, no native of India or any natural-born subject of his majesty shall be, shall be disabled from holding any place, office, or employment for any reason, uh, employment by reason of his religion, place of birth, dissent, or color, charter of the East India Company.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Uh, I see a nice little super chat defending Alex Jones.
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got.
People making fun of China.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right.
I've been doing research on helpful weeds.
For example, large leafed plantain draws out venom and can be used as a flower substitute.
Just to name two uses.
It'll leave you speechless, like the book by Michael Knowles.
That's out now.
That one got me.
That genuinely got me.
Yeah.
Normally I'm catching the speechless ones, but that one got me.
Yeah.
In terms of like, like wheat flour, right?
It's got gluten in it.
Is there anything else that you could use that's like comparable?
travis corcoran
Um, you know, there are other flours.
I know that people use acorn flour.
I think that the gluten in wheat flour is hard to replace, and I know that rye, etc., just doesn't rise in the same way because you don't get the intermixed gluten.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right, let's see.
Will Jones says, Timmy is controlled opposition.
Who else can guarantee a business success?
Well played, comrade.
Well played.
We like reading our criticism here at Timcast IRL, for sure.
Sandra Nadeau says, sorry, divorce will not work.
I'm not moving.
Nor will I give up my rights.
I will stand my ground.
Yeah, I hear that.
You know, we have, we have conversations about places like Syria where so many people refuse to stay and fight and they fled.
And I actually interviewed two young men who refused to fight and fled.
And so, I mean, can you blame them?
You know, be forced to fight for, for this, this national army and have your rights shipped away and just be cannon fodder or, and, or leave and watch your, your home country fall apart.
Not easy, man.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Garhent says, Travis, with you writing for Dragon 117, are you buying the new D&D Strixhaven book?
If so, are you excited to get your bestie Frenemy?
And who's your prom date for D&D prom?
I am Rolf Lamau at Hasbro.
They are so Kathleen Kennedy in D&D for Wokeness.
travis corcoran
You play D&D?
I did play back D&D.
There's some backstory there, which is my, you know, I'm a writer and my first published thing was when I was 13 years old and sent an article into Dragon magazine and that was published in Dragon issue 117 and about 20 years later I saw in passing that TSR, which had been bought by Wizards of the Coast, which had been bought by Hasbro, was republishing all of the old articles.
And I happen to remember reading my contract from start to finish, and the contract said that I was selling first serial rights, which meant that if they ever wanted to republish it, they had to pay me.
So I sent a letter to Hasbro and said, I'm thrilled to hear about this CD-ROM, pay me.
And Hasbro never responded to the letter.
They republished the CD-ROM and I sued Hasbro in small claims court for $2,000 because that
was the most I could sue for.
And Hasbro didn't show and I got $2,000.
So that's how, as a 13-year-old, I earned $2,100.
I just had to wait 20 years to get most of it.
And with regards to TTRPGs, I live in the middle of nowhere.
I try to play occasionally online with some friends.
I hope to do more of that.
I do buy books.
It's fun to just see what's going on.
And the crazy Insanity SJW stuff in D&D.
There's a new...
There was some wheelchair thing, because when people do escapism, what they really want to think about is being disabled.
And then the new thing that was announced a day or so ago was some sort of new woke Harry Potter bisexual elves in college campaign setting for D&D.
And I'm just going to quote the meme of the Chinese guy, it's also tiresome.
tim pool
All right.
Scott Mackinthon says, insurance sales is necessary.
Ensuring your home and auto is easy.
Mostly can be done through a computer and automated process.
Large complex commercial industries requiring insurance need a human to underwrite and risk assess.
100% agree.
And I accept that with the, and I will issue the correction.
What I meant to say is there are a lot of people that used to just do like auto.
You'd walk in and be like, I want to do auto.
And there are still places that do this.
travis corcoran
There are storefronts and a guy sitting behind a desk waiting for you.
tim pool
Yeah.
And to me, I see that.
I'm like, that's crazy.
Of course, I think they're mostly going away.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
But like that, you know, there's still video stores.
Actually, they need them in places with with bad Internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Video stores still exist.
ian crossland
I hear that car salesmen are on their way out.
You know, Tesla will send the car to your house directly when you go online.
You order it online.
tim pool
A lot of companies will do that.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
There's a lot of stuff that is basically just rent seeking.
Like maybe at some point it started out.
But rent seeking is an economic term.
And not rent as any reasonable thing where you're trading money for use of land, but rent where someone just interjects themselves in a transaction and peels their slice off the top and there's no way to get around it.
ian crossland
Like a banker.
tim pool
All right, Tim Decker says, March 9th for the win.
Why, that's my birthday.
Is it your birthday?
16 year, 3M mile trucker here.
The left has made trucking into cities a loss later with fuel costs and regulations.
Drivers already refuse loads to the coasts.
Consider that.
Yeah, man.
You know what I think's happening?
You know, we were at an ice cream stand the other day, and there was a huge line, and everyone's buying ice cream.
And I thought to myself, how many of these people got jobs?
You know, cause a lot of people are getting unemployment.
So what does that mean?
They're being given money and then they're extracting resources from the system without replacing it.
Basically, it's kind of like, I was thinking of, we have a slushie machine downstairs, you know, and, um, when it's full, it's full of slushie, but you got to keep putting slushie in.
Eventually the slushie runs out.
travis corcoran
Well, they're printing slushie.
tim pool
What happens?
No, no, they're not.
They're not.
What they're printing is access to pull the slushie lever.
And when you do, when we go to clean the slushie machine, we have to empty it.
So we hold the thing open and drain what's left of the slushy and let it all pour out.
And that's what feels like it's happening.
It's their emptying thing.
The great reset.
The economy and everything is being stripped of resources very slowly.
And then eventually it gets reset, filled with hot water and cleaning solution and scrubbed out.
And then something else is put inside.
travis corcoran
You know, I'm going to go with inflation, or at least argue for it a bit.
And one interesting thing is I wrote the first draft of this book about three years ago, and I've been working on it very slowly.
And then with COVID, I thought now's the time.
Let me, you know, turbo through it and get it done.
And so I ended up going through the parts that I'd already written.
I ended up checking prices where I said, you know, this rototiller to mount on your tractor is $2,000.
And I went back to tractor supply and it's $2,500.
And, you know, this chicken fencing is $12.
And I, you know, go to Lowes.com and it's $19.
There has been a lot of inflation.
tim pool
Oh, man.
travis corcoran
And I used to laugh at these nut job conspiracists who were saying they're stealth inflation.
It's not showing up in the figures.
But, you know, I don't know, man, I stumbled into it myself.
I think it's real.
tim pool
All right, let's do let's get a couple more in as many as we can.
Alright, let's see.
Oh, there was a fighting game that was made in the... I wonder if that would get you banned at this point.
video game on this channel.
Great guest tonight.
Love and enjoy the show nightly.
Oh, there was a fighting game that was made in the I wonder if that would get
you banned at this point.
It was it was a fighting game where it's called like Andrew Yang for president or
something. And it was it was actually really fun.
And really, I was surprised at how offensive it was because, uh, Elizabeth Warren was wearing Native American gear and she would make stereotypical, like an offensive, you know, sounds and stuff.
And she, and her super move was to like summon a giant bowl or something.
And so it was really just like, but I guess it was making fun of her for being racist.
So it's okay.
Whatever.
And then, you know, Donald Trump throws money as his, his special move or whatever.
It was, it was actually a really fun, fun game.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see.
Oh, where are we at?
Chelsea Nelson says, My husband is a composer, arranger, and is interested in working with you.
He's emailed you a few times at jobs at TimCast.com.
DerekNelson.com.
Thanks.
I will take a look.
We may have someone, though.
We may, we may.
We'll see.
Jack of Blades says, play D&D with me, you cowards!
What's a good way to get in touch with you for your podcast so I can introduce you to the woke psychic brain rat collective imprisoned by vice a la Planescape?
I suppose pitches at timcast.com?
Yeah, so one of the shows we're going to do is a weekly D&D series, and we want to do a campaign that's based around modern political ideas, but implemented through D&D.
travis corcoran
Very cool.
tim pool
And then just see how people play and how they try and resolve some of these situations.
ian crossland
I was playing a bunch of Neverwinter Nights today to get re-familiarized with 3.5.
The ruleset.
unidentified
3.5?
ian crossland
Yeah, the ruleset.
D&D 3.5.
travis corcoran
One writing project I want to do someday is write a RPG based on the Aristillus science fiction novels.
So I've got infinite writing projects for the next 10 or 20 years.
ian crossland
What's the Aristillus?
travis corcoran
The science fiction novels that I wrote that I was talking about earlier.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, dude.
tim pool
Oh, what's this?
Firepower Fantasy says, hey Tim, I mainly wanted a super chat to support your content, but I also have to ask, do any of y'all have some recommended reading?
You know, I would recommend you check out Escape the City, and volumes one and two.
lydia smith
I was going to say, we should recommend these.
tim pool
Yeah, Travis, literally his books.
Actually, I'm really excited that you have these.
You're going to give us those books, right?
travis corcoran
Absolutely.
tim pool
Because we definitely need them.
travis corcoran
Tim, I will not only give you a set of these books, I will give you a set of wool socks from my sheep.
tim pool
Let me see this.
ian crossland
These are literally from your sheep?
travis corcoran
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like you sheared it and knitted the wool?
travis corcoran
Literally.
I outsourced the knitting.
tim pool
Oh, you outsourced the knitting.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
tim pool
You ever see that video of the, what do they call them, Shrek?
The sheep?
travis corcoran
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And it was just a massive mass, like, wow, they survive?
But you have to shear them, right?
Otherwise they go...
travis corcoran
So, most sheep, yes.
We have a more primitive breed of sheep.
And actually, there's pictures of them.
These are Icelandic sheep.
These pictures are from my farm.
I forget the name of this sheep.
And again, this is 200 feet from my house in one of the pastures where I keep sheep.
tim pool
I don't even understand, like, looking at this, like, how did this come from a sheep?
travis corcoran
Right, right.
tim pool
But I know it's where it comes from.
travis corcoran
Yeah.
You know, it starts with my wife opening a stall door in the barn and me wrestling the sheep out, and it ends up a year and a half later, and I'm wearing a set of wool socks myself.
ian crossland
You gotta, like, grab their legs.
Like, I watch videos of people shearing sheep, and it's pretty intense.
Right, right.
travis corcoran
Yeah, you don't have to tie them up.
You know, there's this wrestling thing that if somebody's feet are off the ground, there's not much they can do.
So you flip the sheep onto its butt.
And yeah, that's how we do the shearing.
And they also get a bunch of vitamins injected, sort of, you know, vitamin paste behind their teeth.
And they swallow it and they get a shot.
And there's a process we go through a couple times a year.
tim pool
I saw that thing where there was like baby sheep on a conveyor belt.
You ever see that?
They're like sitting in a slide.
travis corcoran
I did not.
tim pool
Oh, it was like they were giving shots, like vaccinations.
travis corcoran
Oh, neat, neat, neat.
tim pool
And so it's like they're all just sitting there with their feet up and they slide forward and they fall on a thing and they get dropped on the ground and they run away.
travis corcoran
Things were a bit more earthy on our farm.
I have a couple of times pulled a baby lamb out of its mother.
Whoa.
lydia smith
Exciting.
travis corcoran
And once when there was a breech birth, I loaded a pregnant ewe with a lamb half coming out of her.
Into the car, because we don't have a truck right now, drove her next town over to a vet.
So, yeah, we need a conveyor belt.
That sounds better.
tim pool
In terms of books, though, shout out to Michael Malice's book, The Anarchist Handbook, and Michael Malice's Speechless, which they're always tricking me into reading.
Michael Knowles.
Michael Knowles?
lydia smith
Yeah, the other Michael.
tim pool
Michael Malice's Anarchist Handbook and Michael Knowles.
Too many Michaels.
And, uh, what are the books?
ian crossland
Carol Ross's The War on Small Business looks incredible.
I've still not read that, but The War on Small Business.
tim pool
I still haven't read The Creature from Jekyll Island.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh Andy knows Unmasked. And uh, does anybody else we need to shout out?
ian crossland
I, you know, I still haven't read The Creature from Jekyll Island. I hear it's phenomenal if you're interested in the
history of the Federal Reserve.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Alright.
We'll do a couple more here.
We got Taylor Ludkey says, third generation almond grower.
Tim, take it easy on the almonds are terrible for the environment tweets.
Almond prices don't need to be beaten down anymore.
Going to have to cancel my Timcast membership if this keeps up.
I don't think I tweeted that.
I think I said that almonds consume tons of water.
And so the risk is when California is in a big drought or if there's economic problems, almonds are on the chopping block.
Which is sad.
I love almonds.
ian crossland
I like almonds.
tim pool
I like kind bars.
I got almonds all up in them.
ian crossland
So good.
tim pool
Alright, here we go.
Yes, this is hilarious that there's actually a battle happening over this.
Maybe we'll get into this in the bonus segment.
kicked out of a TPUSA event by social conservatives.
Kyle not only approved, but went on to disavow libertarians and called small government a fantasy.
Yes, this is hilarious that there's actually a battle happening over this.
And maybe we'll, I think we'll maybe get it.
Maybe we'll get into this in the bonus segment.
I don't know if we need to, but I am much more libertarian.
I think the conservatives are losing tons of allies over this.
I certainly understand what the conservatives are saying.
I think adult films, generally bad for people, the way it's kind of gone out of control.
But at the same time, small government, man, you let people live and let live, and you gotta build that coalition and support people.
Like, find out where you agree with people, and you need those allies in that great battle.
ian crossland
Yeah, Chrissy Mayer just did a podcast, I believe, with Brandi Love today.
tim pool
Right on.
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Because he's writing about, you know, mysteries and stuff.
But these are legit, like, investigations into real world phenomena.
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Now, we just shouted out a bunch of your books, but you want to mention your sci-fi books as well.
travis corcoran
And your social media, too.
Great.
First science fiction novel was The Powers of the Earth, and it won the Prometheus Award in 2018 for Best Libertarian Science Fiction Novel.
My second novel was Causes of Separation, the sequel to the first one, and it also won the Prometheus Award the next year, and I think this is the first time that an author won it two years in a row, and I think it's the first time that maybe self-published books won it.
And this is a saga set about 50 years from now about small government people and really kind of a great divorce thing that we've been talking about this whole time.
There's this concept of loyalty, voice, or exit, where you disagree with someone, you either act loyal to them and swallow your objections, or you speak up in sort of a democratic way, or you just leave.
My personal preference is just leaving.
So this is a novel about that.
That involves lunar colonization, it involves artificial intelligence, anti-gravity, genetically
uplifted dogs, and it's all fairly hard science fiction.
It's not, you know, The Force and lightsabers and stuff.
Fantasy stuff.
Yeah.
And, you know, they've got something on the order of 500, 4 1⁄2, or 5 star reviews,
so it's decent stuff.
And if you like science fiction, please give it a shot.
They're big, too.
Yeah.
I don't write small books.
I like big books and I cannot lie.
tim pool
Well, if for some reason HBO licenses for a TV show, just make sure you finish the books before... Right.
travis corcoran
I think my opinions are such that I would never have a major media deal.
I think TimCast is where I belong.
tim pool
Maybe we'll have to do it.
You know what I was thinking of doing is taking a room and making the entire room a green screen.
Because then you can make movies about anything.
ian crossland
Or project green light on the walls all around.
That's harder.
tim pool
We could just paint a room green and put lights on it.
ian crossland
I'm so into this.
tim pool
Well, Ian, you have a website or something?
ian crossland
I do.
It's iancrossland.net.
And I'm Ian Crossland.
Travis, thanks for coming, man.
I love talking about the systemic transfer alterations that are potential.
travis corcoran
Yeah, and PV equals NRT.
We'll talk about that more afterwards.
ian crossland
We're talking about inflation and free energy.
lydia smith
Sounds good.
And you guys are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lens.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in the members podcast coming up around 11 or so p.m.
Thanks for hanging out.
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