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July 15, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Over 35% Of U.S. Want To Secede, Balkanize The USA w/Actual Justice Warrior
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ian crossland
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tim pool
Breaking news is coming out of Arizona and Georgia pertaining to what's happening with
those audits and we can't talk about it here on YouTube and that's just reality.
So I absolutely would love to, but the moment I actually report the news of what's like there— I watched a video of some testimony, and it's testimony.
But of course, YouTube would delete the show instantly, so here's what I can say.
We will talk about that over at TimCast.com in the members podcast.
And we'll probably have some articles up about it tomorrow.
The site isn't even fully launched yet.
Our soft target is Monday, so hopefully by then we can actually start producing things on the site that we can't produce on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, or otherwise.
That's kind of why we made the website.
They said, hey, go build your own.
I said, OK, I will.
But there's other news, I guess.
You know, pertaining to what's happening with these states and how people feel about it, you've got Joe Biden's constant talk about civil war ad nauseum.
Recently, he effectively said that the GOP is the biggest threat to democracy since the Civil War.
Now, he was specifically referring to these voting rights bills that the Republicans are trying to pass.
And of course the Democrats call them voter suppression bills.
The reason why I say he effectively said Republicans are the biggest threat is because you can't separate the GOP from the bills they're trying to pass.
If the fight is now between Democrats and Republicans over how the elections should be held and neither agrees and one side says your plan for the election is wrong, When Joe Biden says it's a threat to our country or democracy or things like that, he's not talking about you or me or anybody in this room.
He's talking about his group of voters against the other group of voters, and that's where things get really bad, I guess.
Because we have a new poll.
Maybe it's bunk.
Polls aren't always that good.
I mean, I'm not a big fan of how these polls work.
But it shows that, essentially, 35%, just over 35% of this country, wants their region to break away from the U.S., effectively balkanizing the country into five different regions.
Now, the numbers vary.
In the West, California, Oregon, Washington, and Alaska, it's 39% that want to break away.
In the South, it's 44%.
In, I think, the heartland, they call it, it's 30%.
But when you add them all up, that's a large portion of people who want this country to break apart.
And I guess, what do people call it?
Peaceful divorce has been the conversation.
So, you know, upon seeing data like this, I'm not entirely convinced the culture war will end with one dominant faction.
It may very well end with five smaller regional unions.
And we'll see how that ends up playing out, if at all.
Otherwise, I think there will be some very serious conflict.
If Joe Biden is saying things that basically says the Republican, the GOP is a threat to us, and he's willing to use the FBI to go against Trump's base.
You see where this is going?
You know, it's going to be, get me in power and I will use that power to crush half the country.
We can't have that.
That's getting crazy.
So we're going to get into that and a bunch of other stories.
Joining us today is the actual justice warrior because social justice warrior is no good.
Is that, is that how it works?
sean fitzgerald
Yeah.
Well, my background's in criminal justice and I think there's one true justice and that's individual justice.
All the other qualifiers are not justice.
So actual justice warrior.
tim pool
So what do you do?
sean fitzgerald
So I make YouTube videos on the internet.com.
Actual Justice Warriors, the channel.
And I do a lot of criminal justice related stories.
I do a lot of responses to the Young Turks, everybody's favorite progressives.
And, um, and I, I like economics.
So I'll do some economics videos here and there.
tim pool
We also have news about the consumer price index as well.
So we should definitely talk about the food shortages, the price increase, inflation rates.
What are they saying now?
They're scared.
Homebuyers are not going to be able to buy homes because inflation is going up.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's the reason.
I mean, sure.
It's a reason, but we'll get into that.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
The real reason is the black rock and stone and stone black stone are buying them up.
So I got a couple of black rocks myself.
I'm slowly falling in love with obsidian.
in What's the word?
tim pool
Monoatomic?
ian crossland
Well, if you slice it, like, in really, really thin, it's the sharpest substance known to man.
They used to use it for eye surgery up until the advent of lasers.
tim pool
Very cool.
I watched a video of a guy trying to make an obsidian sword.
Not easy to do.
He couldn't do it.
It's brittle, that's why.
So he tried to, like, put iron into it, and it doesn't work.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was ceremonial, mostly.
Arrowheads and, like, ceremonial.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
sean fitzgerald
You know, I actually have a deep dive on that whole Blackrock thing, and I think you got it from the Wall Street Journal article, right?
tim pool
There's actually a couple different articles.
It's Blackstone and Blackrock.
There's two different companies doing two different things.
sean fitzgerald
But that's actually probably one of the most misreported stories ever.
I did a 30 minute deep dive into it, and it turns out that what they ended up buying, and they may have not even bought it, they might have just facilitated the transaction, was a rental community.
Like something that was built up specifically to be a rental community.
tim pool
I think you're mixing up that there's two different companies.
You know, there's one called Blackstone and one called BlackRock.
sean fitzgerald
Right.
tim pool
And they're both engaging in this.
One of the companies bought a rental company and one of them is buying up houses and then trying to put them under rental management.
sean fitzgerald
I don't think that's the case because I looked it up in the Wall Street Journal.
I'm not the Wall Street Journal.
I looked it up in single family homes.
It's something like only 1% of them are owned by investment firms.
And they didn't buy a rental company, they bought like rental properties that were already rented.
tim pool
Which company are you talking about?
sean fitzgerald
I believe this is the one that was in the Wall Street Journal, which was Black Rock.
tim pool
They're both in the Wall Street Journal.
This is what confused us, and people in the super chat were like, you're wrong!
It's Black Rock, not Stone!
And we pulled up both stories, and I'm like, so apparently they used to be one company, they split off a long time ago, they became two companies, and they're engaging in similar but different practices.
I'll just say this to the best of my understanding, and I could be wrong because we'll definitely have to fact check.
ian crossland
But it was Blackstone was formed in 1985, then BlackRock, one of the founders, I believe, cracked off in 1988 and started BlackRock.
sean fitzgerald
And I could be mistaken on which company and all that.
I didn't have this readily in front of me, but the single family home purchases, it's a small portion of the market, and it's not a very profitable investment to buy it and turn it into rental property.
tim pool
Do you mean like a small portion of the market right now?
sean fitzgerald
Like, right now.
tim pool
Because, do you mean like, of all of the houses that are owned, 1% are owned by investment firms?
sean fitzgerald
Yeah, around 1%.
tim pool
That's massive, actually.
sean fitzgerald
It's not that unusual.
It was more during the end of the financial crisis.
And remember, they couldn't manage all these properties.
So if you remember like 2013, 2014, they were selling homes for like $30,000 or destroying them because it's like, If you buy up all these individual homes, then you're not, like, there's no way you can assess and maintain them.
tim pool
I don't think we can accurately litigate this right now.
Um, because I'm wondering if, is it 1% of all the purchases of the past year?
Or is it 1% of the existing market?
sean fitzgerald
It's the current, it's as of 2020.
So like 2021, there could be a giant surge.
It's just, I don't like if, if you lived in a neighborhood, right?
And there's 20 houses in the neighborhood.
The first 10 go to a company.
Like, what are you going to do when they come to offer on your house?
Like, you're going to jack up the price because you're going to think there must be oil or there's some reason that they're buying all this up.
This is why when investment firms typically buy single family houses, they're already designed to be rentals.
And I remember there's like a big misquote in that article where they say they paid, um, 50% above asking price.
Like some of the financial YouTubers, like the real nerds about this, they reached out to the developer and he's like, no, no, no.
I got 50% gross profit because I built before the supply shortage, before the Fed cut interest rates and, and I sold after all that.
So it wasn't actually like, you know, 50% above asking price.
And I did a mathematical breakdown of that purchase and it takes something like, 18 years for that to be profitable, assuming like no interest rates and blah, blah, blah, all this other stuff.
tim pool
I think the biggest problem here is that there's two companies and it sounds like you're mixing them up.
sean fitzgerald
But I still have my doubts of like big finances buying all this, because being a landlord is a pain in the ass.
tim pool
Well, yeah, but you don't have to actually be a landlord.
You just call a rental company and then they do everything for you and it's super easy.
So there's actually, the Wall Street Journal talks about Blackstone, and then every other outlet's talking about BlackRock.
Because they're both doing similar things, and they're very similar companies, and people rock and stone.
But we'll get into that in a minute!
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ian crossland
didn't happen is lydia did not introduce herself i did not she is slaying it over there
lydia smith
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
You know, I'm here because the show is going on and if I weren't pushing the buttons, there would be no camera switches.
So that's me.
Thanks, Ian.
I appreciate that.
tim pool
We can just do an audio version.
Then we got to worry about the camera.
lydia smith
That's true.
Yeah, there you go.
See Tim's face.
tim pool
All right, all right, all right.
Let's talk about this story.
Check it out.
lydia smith
Swanky site.
tim pool
So we got this from TimCast.com.
Shock poll.
Two in three Southern Republicans want to secede from the United States.
And this story is actually based off of a little quote tweet I had when I tweeted at Cenk Uygur.
Cenk of the Young Turks says, according to a new YouGov poll, two-third of Southern Republicans want to secede from America.
Where have I seen this movie before?
But this time, it's a confederacy of dunces led by King Dunce Trump.
By the way, when you want to betray America, that makes you, by definition, un-American.
Aw, man, Cenk Uygur!
Cenk, you got those Southern Republicans.
They want to secede from the Union.
How dumb are they?
You know, anybody in any political faction that wants to secede must be really, really dumb.
Oh, hey, let me pull up the poll that shows 47% of Democrats in the West, which includes California, want to secede from the Union too.
Hey, where have I heard this story before?
It's like a confederacy of dunces led by who, you, Cenk?
Listen, listen.
Okay, two-thirds is a lot.
47%, a little bit less than half.
But come on.
We're talking about, in the West, the largest faction of people that want to secede from the Union, according to the poll, that he cited are Democrats.
Last I checked, Cenk Uygur is a Democrat, and is within that faction that has nearly 50% of their base wanting to secede from the Union.
So, what's the saying?
Living in glass houses and throwing rocks?
sean fitzgerald
People in glass houses shouldn't throw hard stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, man, you gotta love the Young Turks, though.
But check this out.
So here's the actual data.
Well, it is true that the Southern Republicans, 66%, are in favor of seceding from the Union.
This effectively is a Balkanization, where you've got the Pacific region, the Mountain region, the Heartland region, the Northeast, and the South.
You can see that in the Mountain region, 43% of Republicans want to secede, 35% of Independents.
Now, here's the one that really made me laugh.
In the heartland, which is basically the Midwest, 43% of independents, the plurality, want to secede from the Union.
So there's something about being in the Midwest where they're like, we don't like Republicans or Democrats.
ian crossland
I feel that.
tim pool
I think it might have something to do with the fact that Chicago, Minneapolis, very, very Democrat.
So the people there are very unsatisfied with Democrats.
ian crossland
Party politics is crap, in my opinion.
People that get all tribal and they're like, I'm good because I'm part of this group.
Like, come on, man.
Give me a message.
Give me something.
tim pool
That's actually part of the analysis.
When they're going through the data, they said it may be not that they actually want to secede from the U.S.
to form new regional unions.
And again, this poll is literally asking people, would you want to balkanize the United States?
It may be that they're trying to virtue signal.
That's what one of the researchers said.
Like, these people are asked and they're like, I'm a proud Democrat and I support the, you know, or I'm from the West or whatever.
Let me tell you something.
There's two different versions of how many people wanted to declare independence in the American Revolution.
For some reason, for a while, people thought it was one-third in favor, one-third opposed, and one-third abstained.
But that was based on a letter from John Adams where he was actually talking about the French Revolution.
At least, that's the modern historical interpretation.
So the best data I could find is that it's between 40 and 45 percent of the colonists wanted to declare independence.
Wow.
15 to 20 were loyalists, and the rest were like, I don't care, leave me alone.
We have talked about this in the past, so consider that a correction, because we had bad numbers last time.
I said it was like 35.
ian crossland
Yeah, I heard 10%.
unidentified
No, no.
ian crossland
I've heard crazy numbers.
tim pool
People say only 3% actually fought.
ian crossland
I see, maybe that's what it was.
tim pool
But here's the other thing, too.
So first, I'll point out, the average right now is 35% of the country, across all party lines and all places.
35% would be in favor of balkanizing.
I mean, that's massive.
And that's up, right?
So in the South, the number, I think, in February was 50 percent.
Now it's 66.
So we are moving very, very quickly.
If we get to 40 or 45 of the percent of the American people being like, we're done with this.
ian crossland
My problem is it's this poll.
Like we were talking about this before the show a little bit.
How many people were polled?
Was it like a thousand people and 300 of them said?
tim pool
I think it was 2,700 something.
ian crossland
So you've got like 600 people that said we want to secede.
And they're like 30 percent of the country.
And it's like, no, that was 600 people.
sean fitzgerald
But 2,000 is enough to get a representative sample.
unidentified
2,750.
tim pool
Yeah.
sean fitzgerald
Well, that's more than enough.
You can get a representative sample with 1,000.
I think what it is, is what you said about virtue signaling or people who are partisan.
Like, if you didn't like Biden, you're like, I want to leave the country.
But does that mean you actually want us to cede?
Or does that mean you actually want local autonomy?
Because those are two different things.
And for the Midwest point, the reason why they're always torn or swing voters is they're the Reagan Democrats.
They're the people who align with union politics, who are against free trade.
But on social issues, they align more with the Republican Party.
This is why, you know, Reagan won, you know, I think in the second election, every state but Minnesota.
And you could correct me if I'm wrong.
And eventually, like, Those became the swing states because Reagan was converting those voters who didn't like the excesses from the Democratic Party in the social movement, but were mostly working class union voters.
And that's who we're fighting over now.
It's the same set of voters that Reagan flipped then.
So that's why I think the independents are like, I want to get out of here because neither party is really serving them, in their opinion.
tim pool
You were correct, it was Minnesota.
D.C.
as well, but obviously it's not a state, but it was just Minnesota.
Yeah, I think people are serious about balkanization.
We saw there was that war game that the DNC did.
It was heavily reported on before the election where Boston Globe reported John Podesta.
What's his position?
He was like the chair of the DNC or some high-ranking position.
sean fitzgerald
Yeah.
Cal Exit, if you remember that.
tim pool
He said if Trump wins, the Western states should secede from the Union.
sean fitzgerald
Cal Exit, if you remember that.
tim pool
But not just California, also Oregon and Washington.
And so when you see that 47% of Democrats there, according to a representative sample,
which as you said is more than enough, 2,750, that's a lot of people.
ian crossland
That sounds like virtue signaling that Podesta would say that people should secede.
It was private.
tim pool
He didn't publicly say it.
It was in a private DNC war game that some people who are witness to it talked to some journalists.
So Podesta didn't come out and say, hey guys, go do this privately.
He was like, I think this is what needs to happen.
And then someone went to the journalist and we're like, yo, this is what he's saying.
Not that I can trust any of these journalists to my dear.
For all I know, John Podesta didn't say anything.
But like, what do you do when they lie?
I've had journalists manufacture quotes from me.
Yeah, one guy from, I think it's the New Yorker, where he took two different quotes and put them together to make a different sentence.
Amazing.
sean fitzgerald
Or like half a quote.
Usually if you widen it out 10 words in either direction or 30 seconds in a clip, and it changes completely what they say, then maybe you shouldn't be running with that in the media.
tim pool
There's a clever way to get around giving quotes to journalists when you know they're gonna try and pull some BS, and it's to add, like, breaks that are seemingly non sequitur in your sentence.
So, like, if someone were to say, what's your favorite color?
I would say my Tim Pool favorite color, because I grew up in the south side of Chicago, is actually, and this is because of my birthday, green.
And then what they'll have to do is they'll put my dot, dot, dot, favorite color, dot, dot, dot.
And it, it makes it impossible.
So if you're, if you're trying to make sure they can't pull things out of context, you can add things to it that forces them to put in by doing that.
Otherwise they can try and break the sentence up and it looks really weird in print when what they usually do then is just do a paraphrase.
We'll be like, he expressed to me, his favorite color was green or something.
sean fitzgerald
I mean, if you set it in audio, they might put your face, if there's video, over the audio and just cut it together the way that they want it.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's why I don't talk on the phone.
You know, there's phones for certain things.
sean fitzgerald
But anyway, back to the balkanization.
By the way, Cenk's not going to lead anything.
Five percent in his congressional run.
Let us never forget.
He was going to show us how progressives could win in purple districts, by the way.
tim pool
But I just love how this shows that Cenk didn't actually go to the website.
Like, I pulled up the article from Bright Line Watch to read the data so I could do a segment about this, and I did it earlier on my TimCast channel, because I'm like, what does it mean that Republicans want to secede?
The South wants to secede?
And I pulled up, like, oh, it's actually...
Missing the bigger picture, I guess.
If you actually add all these up and average it out, it's a decent amount of people.
So 35% might actually be relative.
It might be incorrect because I'm adding up the totals and then dividing it by the regions.
And it doesn't necessarily represent how many people in each region actually want us to see.
So the Heartland, I mean, I think we need to go by population density.
So I'm sure the Heartland doesn't have as many people as the South.
The South probably has substantially more people between Florida, Texas, Atlanta.
And then you look at the Pacific, which is Alaska, California, Oregon, and Washington, probably a lot less people.
So the percentages probably don't add up properly the way I'm describing it.
In fact, it could be substantially more if we actually go by population density and did better math.
sean fitzgerald
Right.
I would tend to think that it would be less.
At least the serious ones are definitely less.
I would like to see, like, you ever seen, like, Sam Harris break down the spheres of influence of radicalization?
Like, that version of this, where it's like, these people want to leave, but do they really just want local autonomy?
tim pool
What is, what is, what's the difference?
I don't understand what you mean.
sean fitzgerald
Well, it's like, uh, the state's rights movements under, under Obama.
Like they would say that Texas should secede and break, you know, be its own state or break up into five states as it says in their constitution.
But in reality, they just wanted like the governor to invoke more 10th amendment stuff against Obama and challenge what he was doing, which is similar to what happened in California.
tim pool
So how do you know that's actually what they wanted though?
sean fitzgerald
Well, because I don't think when push comes to shove, these people would actually vote in like a secessionist party in their state.
tim pool
I think they would.
I think you often see that regular people vote for the extreme version of these things because of, like, especially right now as the rhetoric is ramping up.
sean fitzgerald
I mean, do they, though?
Because they voted in Biden in the primary and, like, he was distinctly not extreme.
Like, in the primary, at least, compared to who he's talking to.
unidentified
Bernie, who... But what did the people say they wanted?
sean fitzgerald
Well, in polls, they would say that, like, in the top line polls, this is why I don't trust polling, they would say that they would want Bernie Sanders's positions in the top line polls.
But when you go into the details, you realize that they think Medicare for all is Obamacare with the public option, which is actually Biden's position.
tim pool
Right.
sean fitzgerald
Which is why when the progressives were like, we want on every issue.
tim pool
So they voted for what they wanted.
sean fitzgerald
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So if an individual says they want to secede, they'd probably vote for it.
sean fitzgerald
No, no, but that's the top line.
Like that, that would be your, I want Medicare for all.
But then when you ask them, what, what do you think this actually means?
Like, and you break it down, like you're going to get a way, you're going to get people who just want states rights or autonomy, or maybe like an American federation where they break up.
ian crossland
Some people want that, but not Right, they don't know what they want.
What is a secession?
You attempt by military force.
The American federal government will come fight you and kill people and burn cities to stop that state from seceding.
I don't think they want that.
sean fitzgerald
It's like if you ever got into a fight with a girlfriend and she's like, I want to break up with you.
And then you're like, okay, okay, let's talk about this.
And then you talk about it and you realize she just wants you to stop being a jerk.
Like, you know, it comes down from that top line aggressive thing.
ian crossland
It is.
unidentified
It is.
ian crossland
Because if they start saying that, then you're like, I, you know, I'm going to start taking you at your word.
You got to take them at their word.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't play games like that.
If someone came up to me and they were like, you know, someone came up to me and said, I'm going to quit because I'm unhappy.
ian crossland
What would secession look like, then, if we could lay it out for people clearly?
tim pool
Civil War won't work in this regard.
We're talking about five-region balkanization, right?
So I will say, first and foremost, Joe Biden keeps talking about this being the greatest threat since the Civil War and blah blah blah.
He's using the power of the federal government to go after Trump supporters and people they deem to be extreme.
They're potentially, I guess it's now public, they're compiling lists of these people.
They're going to be tracking it.
Jack Posobiec reported it and now there's some statements about it.
So what would it look like?
Well, there is a lot of power in the federal government, but that power is derived from the states.
And I don't mean that figuratively, like the states chose to create the federal government.
No, like the people who are in the federal government are sent there, are voted in.
The Capitol Police, the National Guard, the power the federal government has all across the country from people who serve in the military and the armed forces come from states.
So what would happen if somebody lives in, say, Oregon, and they're as far left as they come, and they work in some kind of law enforcement capacity, and then someone in the federal government says something, we want to do X, we need your assistance, but if the country is balkanizing, they might say, no, I care more about my state than I care about going to D.C.
to do whatever you want.
Or if balkanization is happening, And then someone in Oregon is told, like, we're going to be deploying you to Texas.
They're going to be like, I got to stay and defend Oregon.
Yeah.
So it's that is a question of if we balkanize.
But here's what I think is possible.
If this sentiment is this widespread, 47% in the West, makes sense to me, 33% of Independents, and 66% of Republicans and 50% of Independents in the South, that's crazy?
And these are very heavily Republican states.
What I think actually could happen is loss of confidence.
In which case, this is what I talked about several times as to how I think a civil war could actually happen.
Not that a bunch of states get together and say, we hereby declare good sir, and start caning someone in Congress.
But actually what happens is a small town in Oklahoma puts up a roadblock and says, not welcome.
And then start saying, we're not going to abide by these lockdowns or whatever Joe Biden is saying.
And then the feds have to come in and the people in Oklahoma say, we're not letting you in our town.
unidentified
You have no purchase here, good sir.
tim pool
Look at what happens in like Ohio where they, I think they arrested an ATF agent.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Those are exactly the kinds of things that start happening.
Now you have second amendment sanctuaries popping up.
And I think two thirds of the counties of the United States.
That is a break of confidence at a growing scale.
So Biden's freaking out.
It's the greatest threat, what the Republicans are doing, ah!
Because he probably sees the federal government's power is actually starting to dwindle.
Ohio recently, some sheriff said, we're no longer gonna be taking illegal immigrants from ICE.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because they send them here, they tell us to hold them and let them go into our towns.
No dice, not gonna happen.
The plans they had, not working.
So check this out.
I'll tell you why I think Joe Biden's panicking, and I'll tell you why I think we are inching closer towards this.
The Democratic base in this country is absolutely insane.
Not like the Republicans as a party are doing much better, but the Democrats are split dramatically.
From like, moderate, default Democrats who don't really pay attention, to the fringe far left.
The far left control more of the manifesto for the Democrats than the moderates do, who don't really pay attention.
You can see this in the Pew research, where the spike is actually further left.
What does that mean?
They tell Joe Biden, we want open borders.
We want total amnesty.
But Joe Biden can't win on those positions.
So what happens?
In office, he says something like, okay, we're gonna stop Trump's evil remain in Mexico policy.
So now all the migrants come in, it's catch and release.
They get caught, they get released in the community.
Now you have children sleeping under bridges in the dirt in McAllen, Texas, because Joe Biden needs to take actions the far left wants, but then can't actually deal with the influx of migrants and migrant children because the policy is insane and makes no sense.
So what does he do?
The Biden administration has been smuggling, has been trafficking children into other Republican states under the noses of the leadership of those states.
Tennessee Republicans freaked out when the whistleblower came out with this video footage showing that they were using, I guess now there's a whistleblower talking to Tucker Carlson saying they're using the Texas Air Force bases to take migrant kids and traffic them to other states because Biden can't come out and say, we're turning the children away into the desert.
Because that was Trump's policy.
Oh no, he can't come out and say, we're going to put these kids in the concentration camps the Democrats were complaining about for five years, although they're doing that anyway.
So he's got to shuffle it under the rug.
But eventually the Republicans in these red states find out about it.
The sheriff in Ohio finds out what they're doing, and these states are now Outraged the federal government is not actually doing anything to serve the people, but is actively in a panic to shuffle the problem under the rug while actively refusing to solve the problem.
In fact, making the problem worse.
You imagine Biden keeps doing things like that, and you're going to see states saying, we will not comply.
ian crossland
Okay, so that's like a good, that's a lead up to it.
But okay, assuming that something happens, and then a state does secede, like let's pick Texas.
And I don't know, would it be organized?
Would it be six states at once?
Would it be one state that goes first?
That has a lot to do with if it would succeed or not.
Because if 49 states seceded, it would succeed.
If one state tried, it would probably fail.
But what would it look like if states said, we hereby declare we are a sovereign country?
tim pool
Ian, you're too left brain on this one.
It doesn't need to be a bunch of guys in suits walking in and saying, I hereby declare.
It could literally just be that a guy in Texas stops taking the phone calls of the federal government because he doesn't care anymore.
Because the influence of the federal government has been weakening.
So a law enforcement officer looks at his phone and it says, I don't even care.
What were you saying, sir?
And then over time, it just breaks apart.
They'll take over a long period of time.
sean fitzgerald
That would be something like the governor sending their own National Guard to the border in place of the federal government, as an example.
But we've seen this before under the Obama administration.
Sheriffs were refusing this.
And I think the one thing that would actually lead to a potential civil war is something like hyperinflation or extended inflation
because once the money starts becoming less valuable, that's when you get people in the streets
and everybody starts panicking.
But to your point about the immigration thing, this is one of the biggest mistakes the Trump
administration made throughout its entire time. The reason they were putting the kids in cages,
quote unquote, was because they wanted to deter children from showing up to the border.
And the Trump administration, as far as I know, never made the moral case for harsh policy on the border.
And we see what happens when you're soft on that.
There's kids that are being dumped over here.
Like I was at CPAC.
I met guys that went to the border and they showed me photos of kids with disabilities that were just literally dumped over the fence by coyotes.
Like they can't walk and they're being dropped off because Obama sent, I'm sorry, Biden, 40 and slip right there.
I mean, Obama did the same thing, if you remember the unaccompanied minors things pre-Trump.
But Biden sent the signal that if your kids come here, at least this is how it was translated into Latin America, that if your kids come here, we'll take them.
Which is worse than saying, if your families come here, we'll take them, because now we have all these kids going on this dangerous journey, 7,000 miles.
If you've seen it, they come up on these trains, a bunch of them fall off.
It's a disaster.
You have to make the moral case for strict enforcement, and we're seeing this across the country in not just immigration policy, but in San Francisco, where they don't enforce shoplifting.
Everything breaks down.
tim pool
So what's happening now?
Florida is sending troopers to Texas to help secure their border, and South Dakota is sending, I think, National Guard.
Because the federal government isn't doing it.
Lieutenant Colonel Allen West is running to primary Greg Abbott because he says Abbott is waiting on permission from the federal government to defend its own border.
And he makes a really good point.
sean fitzgerald
Abbott needs to take a stand.
tim pool
Oh, that was brutal.
sean fitzgerald
Metaphorically.
Yeah.
Also, DeSantis is running for president.
That's why he's sending the troopers.
Like let's, let's be honest.
tim pool
You think so?
sean fitzgerald
A hundred percent.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Against Trump though?
sean fitzgerald
I saw the CPAC poll.
They did one with Trump and one without Trump.
Without Trump, 58%.
So he's probably trying to say, Hey buddy, endorse me.
tim pool
And I think DeSantis would, in a lot of ways, probably be better.
unidentified
Way better.
tim pool
Because, and people are like, you know, oh, they'll smear him, they'll attack him in the media.
Yeah, but Trump really boils liberal blood.
You know, DeSantis, they're gonna be like, I don't know who that is and I don't care.
You're not gonna be able to rally people the same way.
sean fitzgerald
Well, DeSantis isn't gonna wake up, shoot himself in both feet and wonder why there's blood all over the floor every day.
tim pool
He's not gonna be tweeting, these disgusting horse faces yelling at me on the internet.
Nah, he's, you know, he's a bit more tactful.
But, I will say, we've definitely seen some of this under Obama.
There was a period, I can't remember when this was, I think it may have been under Bush, actually, where, yeah, actually, I don't know, maybe it was Obama.
We saw a wave of states asserting sovereignty.
They were, like, declaring, like, we are independent, sovereign, and retain our rights, and everything, and it was, like, they all started doing it.
sean fitzgerald
10th amendment movement, right?
tim pool
But I I think that just shows the escalation Like if you a lot of people say this all started with Trump and then people so it actually it started with Obama Actually, it started with Bush.
Well, yeah, literally they're all connected.
There's no like we're not in a vacuum It wasn't like one day someone pressed like reset on the country and then we all woke up and said who should be the president It's all connected going all the way back since even probably the colonial days Yeah, I think it tracks technology's change because no longer do we have to send a letter and send someone to go ride a horse to Washington, D.C.
ian crossland
to tell them what I told them to tell them.
Like, we have telephones and computers and we can work in a decentralized manner.
The states can function in a more, we can decentralize power way easier with modern technology.
And I think the consciousness is now kind of showing that, but it's coming out as, you know, secession when it's more of a decentralization.
tim pool
I'll tell you what the problem is.
It's the absolutism of the Democratic Party and the inability of conservatives, or I should say of the Republicans, and many conservatives, to assert themselves on things.
So I'll explain what that means.
The Democrats demand absolute law.
So they say, we should ban these guns.
And then you're like, dude, I live in West Virginia.
We've got like coyotes and bears and stuff.
Like, come on, you can't, you know, I mean, and also I hunt.
I live in the middle of nowhere.
I'm not, you're not worried about this stuff.
You live in a different place.
It makes no sense.
A lot of the things that Democrats advocate for because how it affects the other half of the country who don't live in cities.
But they demand that absolute law.
If the city is negatively impacted, everyone in the country must be under the same law.
Republicans don't come out and say, we demand X. They say, no, wait, don't.
Speed bumps for the Democrats.
Over a long enough period of time, the Democrats keep passing laws that are favorable for cities, well, probably not even favorable for cities, but designed to be favorable, or I'm sorry, they're designed to appear favorable to cities, although whether or not they actually work, I think most of the time they don't, And then rural people get negatively impacted by it.
sean fitzgerald
But what percentage of the Democrats is it?
Because I just had the New York City Democratic primary and they elected the cop who wants to bring back Stop and Frisk and the anti-crime unit, which is horribly named because the police are all anti-crime.
It should be called the anti-shooting unit.
But they elected the tough on crime cop and he won in the first round of voting and when they did the rank choice and they do that he finally got over the top.
Maya Wiley, the Bill de Blasio woman who literally her campaign was like I'm a black woman vote for me.
I'm progressive.
Never did anything in her life except serve as a counselor for Bill de Blasio.
Like she, she did worse when they ranked it up.
Like she was the second place, which is horrible and I'm ashamed of my city, but
it's the Democrats.
What are you going to do?
But Adams not only won, but he won.
Uh, with minorities, like he got 45 to 75% of the vote in all of the majority,
uh, black or Hispanic areas.
That's how he won.
tim pool
But think about how amazing it is that he still is.
He still wants to confiscate guns.
He's still very much, you know, except for him, he can have a gun.
Right, exactly.
So he very much is just.
He's still a Democrat.
And so we're like, but he is pro-cop.
Like, think about that logic where it's like, well, at least he doesn't want to completely abolish the police.
He's still, he's still bad on a lot of these things.
unidentified
True.
sean fitzgerald
But like Giuliani was a gun grabber as mayor of New York City.
Michael Bloomberg was a gun grabber and an anti-stater.
Like he didn't want you to have a big soda.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
sean fitzgerald
But I always say New York is different, so as much as I want to say, oh, the Democrats are different, the reason New York City is different, and you've been to New York City, is because everybody rides the subway and everybody walks on the streets.
So Democrats actually have to live with the policies that they advocate for there.
They can't escape out into the burbs.
That's why we get tough on crime mayors, and that's why I had faith in New York City, and I said that this election would determine whether or not I would consider moving or not.
Because we actually do vote tough on crime.
It's not Chicago.
It's not Baltimore, which I drove through today.
tim pool
And then what happens is because they're actually not tough on crime, the extremists then protest the Democrats' own policies.
They go around and they constantly obstruct the streets.
They protest.
New York's not a big riot place, but it never ends.
And then that turns into a national movement.
So because people like, you know, Eric Adams, right?
sean fitzgerald
Yeah.
tim pool
Because he's like, they call him tough on crime by New York standards.
sean fitzgerald
No, no, he's legit.
He's like, I'm going to bring back stop and frisk.
Like, the Republicans weren't like, we're gonna bring back Salman for us.
He's like, no, no, we're gonna shake down people and crack some skulls.
tim pool
That's the problem, you see.
What happens is then, Black Lives Matter comes out and turns that local problem from Democrats into a national problem, and then demands everyone in the country live by this ideology.
And because they have such influence in national-level communications, politics, marketing, and corporations, because New York is a hub for that, Some random dude in West Virginia who lives in the mountains next to his brother Cletus, who's actually 20 miles away, has to have new laws on his guns because of the failures of New York Democrats.
And it's not like it's Eric Adams' fault.
It's that the people who live in these cities continually elect the same kind of people who do very similar things with very similar policies that don't work.
sean fitzgerald
Well, I mean, you're right to a certain extent because, I mean, New York City distinctly banned chokeholds.
But after George Floyd died from a maneuver that would have been illegal for an NYPD officer, we still cut a billion dollars out of our police because we had to solve the problem of Minneapolis' policing issue.
tim pool
People in London are protesting over George Floyd.
sean fitzgerald
Hands up, don't shoot, which Michael Brown didn't have his hands up, and the London police don't carry guns.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Never, never heard.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, so what's happening is you have this, you know, Ian mentioned it's technology.
It's the internet's communications.
It's not about any of the policy.
It is literally my tribe must win at all costs and we will demand power.
And, and I'll tell you, I want to talk about the story where it gets really, really weird.
This is a sign.
This, this story right here is a sign to me of the, uh, of the collapse.
It's a very slow collapse.
The first thing I'll say, I'll give you the, I'll give you the story.
Boston pride.
LGBT Pride.
Dissolves amid diversity complaints.
An organization that's been around for 50 years to advocate for LGBT rights has dissolved because Black Lives Matter activists said that they didn't have enough diversity on their board.
Now, I want to mention something.
I say it's a slow collapse, right?
We went to a diner today to pick up some Petty Melts.
We got everybody these burgers are so good.
Oh, they were good.
They were delicious.
And a peanut butter pie.
And there's a sign on the door.
And this shocked me.
It said something like, Forgive us.
From now on, we'll be operating only 6am to 5pm as we attempt to rectify our staffing shortages.
Half the diner was closed.
Like, they had the signs up like, You can't sit here.
And they were completely understaffed.
And a diner that closes at 5pm.
Nothing to do with Pride or whatever, but it's just like...
The food shortages.
The chaos.
Unemployment.
Yeah, the unemployment stuff.
It's just getting worse and worse and worse.
We'll come back to that.
I just want to mention that's part of the slow collapse.
But look at this story.
They say this decision was made with a heavy heart.
Out of love and hope for a better future, the organization's board sent a statement.
Boston Pride, the organization that has organized the city's Pride celebrations for 50 years, has announced it's shutting down.
The dissolution announced Friday afternoon, and a statement on the group's website comes after the reportedly all-white board of directors had faced ongoing accusations of ignoring racial minorities and transgender people.
It is clear to us that our community needs and wants change without the involvement of Boston Pride.
Here's the quote.
I don't know what that means.
heard the concerns of the QTBIPOC community and others.
The statement continued.
Oh, Cute BIPOC, is that what it's supposed to be?
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, look.
These people are increasingly... There was a video I saw of this, like, young woman, and she was, it's a viral TikTok, where she's like, you can use new words for your non-binary parents, like Zizo and Zorbda.
I'm not kidding.
She was like, Pom Pom, Pina, Dofi.
And I'm like, you're just saying gibberish words.
What are you doing?
That's where we're at right now.
These young people are like, I can make up a thing, and so they make up a thing.
And then the people who make up a thing go to the established thing and say, you have to shut down because we made a thing up, and they go, okay, and then it shuts down.
How do we function as a society?
Look, I'm sure there's a bunch of conservatives, you know, cracking cigars and laughing, you know, watching this, but I'm like, Boston Pride, 50 years of fighting for LGBT rights, and quite successfully, and now they're shut down just like that?
ian crossland
It's like Occupy Wall Street.
That was my experience at Occupy.
I went and I brought the Constitution.
I was like, yo, I'm gonna tell people about the Federal Reserve.
I'm gonna rally the troops.
And when I went up, the girl was like, I was gonna go speak to some news organization.
And the girl was like, no, we've already had too many white people speak to the news.
I was like, what?
I'm about to blow people's minds, dude.
Let me at it.
And they wouldn't.
So I was like, well, too much too much racism for good stuff at the top.
tim pool
You know, it's just it just demands for power, man.
sean fitzgerald
And the Fed long lived the Ron Paul revolution.
ian crossland
That's what we're up to, man.
Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
sean fitzgerald
The polarization among the left is ridiculous.
Their desire to fraction off into little pieces is crazy.
Especially because I always thought, and I could be wrong about this, but I'm going to pretend like it's authoritative.
The rainbow flag was like, all colors can be within the LGBT community.
If that's not real, it sounds like it makes sense and they should adopt that.
But yeah, there's a desire among lefties to do what I think Thomas Sowell refers to as, like, mascotism.
Like, they want to have black mascots that aren't necessarily, like, they don't necessarily have anything to do with the organization, but as long as they're there and it looks nice, and it's weirdly to give the illusion of fighting racism, but in reality, there's, like, nothing more racist than, like, I want A black logo.
lydia smith
Tokenism.
unidentified
Yeah, so that you can think I'm virtuous.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
I will say, I'm actually surprised they did this, but they did add a white stripe to the new LGBT flag.
sean fitzgerald
What is the white stripe for though?
tim pool
White people.
sean fitzgerald
Really?
I would doubt that.
tim pool
I mean, I look at a flag that's got a black and a brown stripe for black and brown people, and then there's a white stripe, and then a yellow triangle.
The only thing I can say is if they say the stripes represent the color of the people, well, there's a white stripe.
ian crossland
They're like, life is not black and white, Ian.
sean fitzgerald
You know that flag is copyrighted, right?
That new one?
tim pool
Really?
sean fitzgerald
Yeah.
tim pool
Owned by somebody?
You mean the one with the purple circle in it?
sean fitzgerald
I don't know if that's the circle, but it's like the one with the black and brown with the diamond.
It looks like the ripoff of the Puerto Rican flag.
ian crossland
I think my biggest problem is the level of intelligence of the people that we're talking about
because people are not black and white at all, and we never have been,
but that people are just accepting these dumb phrases of black and white
and then they're saying it anyway is concerning to me.
tim pool
My favorite thing about the whole critical race theory stuff, the critical race applied principles, is that they're like, whiteness doesn't mean white people.
We're not saying, it's whiteness, it's a structure of the system.
Black and brown means literally the color of your skin.
ian crossland
It's like... Black, there's no black skin.
tim pool
It's like, clearly they mean white people when they're saying whiteness.
sean fitzgerald
Well, you always gotta get these people and ask them, okay, what's the difference between a white supremacist nation and a white majority nation?
They won't be able to tell you.
And I didn't think of that.
I got that question from Devin Tracy.
tim pool
Well, here's a question.
What's the difference between a white supremacist nation and a Chinese majority nation?
sean fitzgerald
Well, they would be potentially Chinese supremacists.
tim pool
Well, exactly.
Like, but they would say whiteness.
They would say, oh, well, I kid you not.
They would say something like, well, because the Chinese population is the majority in China, they're white.
I mean, they think Asian people are white anyway.
So, but yeah, but I will say it's just this, this, this flag, in my opinion, represents that There was no committee vote on this.
It was like someone did it, and it was a meme.
And that shows that a lot of what's happening on the left is basically... I view it as kind of like... Oh, you ever see that horror movie, The Blob?
ian crossland
Yeah, a long time ago.
sean fitzgerald
Which one?
tim pool
There was one, it was like in the 80s, I think.
ian crossland
That's the one I saw.
tim pool
John Carpenter's The Blob.
It lands in the meteor or something, and then it's small, but then it eats something, a rodent, and then it grows a little bigger.
unidentified
Nightmares happen.
tim pool
That's exactly what it is.
Right?
That's what the left is doing right now.
It's just absorbing institutions and then growing bigger, but it's nonsensical.
It's just a heaping mass.
You can see it.
It's nondescript and it's insane.
And it's ripping itself.
Well, it's ripping everything apart.
It's just destroying things.
sean fitzgerald
And it's based on nonsense.
The whole thing about black trans women being killed more... My friend Nuancebro did a video on this and he found that black trans women have a lower rate of death by homicide than regular black men.
Like some biological males that just identify as male.
I don't know why I'm over-explaining that.
ian crossland
You did a good job.
tim pool
So I want to just kind of wrap this into the conversation at large, is that we're talking about, we start off talking about the Balkanization of this country.
Why is it possible, in my opinion, that we're heading towards this?
Because this stuff makes no sense.
Boston Pride shuts down because Black Lives Matter accused them of not having enough diversity.
So they just shut down their civil rights organization after 50 years, just like that?
Bro, if it's that easy to dissolve an organization and we're at, you know, a roughly 35%, probably not a fair number, but you know, it's the best number we got.
How do you, how hard do you think it's really going to be to dissolve these bonds?
sean fitzgerald
They did that on Toronto, remember, too.
A couple of years ago, they sat down in front of the gay private raid.
Oh, that's right.
And then they gave them a list of demands.
Where I come from, that's called taking hostages.
tim pool
They had a huge acronym that I was trying to read.
I'm not kidding.
It was like Q-T-I-I-3-9.
I'm not trying to be mean.
sean fitzgerald
There's like a number two in it, too.
tim pool
Yeah, but no, no, I'm not- so there's LGBTQIA- LGBTQIAP2 plus- It's like I-A-A- yeah, there's a plus in there.
No, but there's another one, which is a reference to marginalized people, not- like, the LGBT one is a reference to, like, gender identities and sexuality, and the other one is based on racial identities and, you know, racial- and culture, so that one is like...
You know how they do like, um, what is it, uh, Asian Pacific Islander or whatever it's called?
A-A-I-A-P-I or whatever.
A-A-P-I or whatever?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There was one like that and it was like A-A-P-I-T-3-S-2-9-1-1.
ian crossland
That's like a robot's name.
sean fitzgerald
T-2 was a way better movie than T-3.
I'm just throwing out that controversial opinion.
No, no, but it is, it gets crazy.
My favorite one that's included in there is in the Two Spirit.
It's the second A for ally.
It's like what?
That's just yeah, there's one of them is ally.
So if you're a straight, and a straight, yeah, straight, a straight and a cis heteronormative.
ian crossland
Oh, I was thinking about cis and trans.
There's trans out the Romans had trans Alpine Gaul and cis Alpine Gaul.
I don't know if this relevant.
Trans and cis are... Means beyond and nearer to.
tim pool
That's literally why they say you're a cis person or a trans person.
They say cis is a reference to like... I'm glad I got that out.
sean fitzgerald
But like if you're straight, then like you get to be in the acronym.
And it's like, dude, that's not for you.
Just stop.
unidentified
Go.
sean fitzgerald
Get out of there.
tim pool
Like add a white stripe to the flag.
sean fitzgerald
We still don't know what it's for.
tim pool
It doesn't matter what they say it's for.
If the black and brown represent black and brown people, the white stripe represents white people.
sean fitzgerald
Is the white stripe underneath the black and brown stripe?
tim pool
No.
It's underneath the blue and... periwinkle stripe?
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
I gotta look at this picture.
tim pool
What is this called?
That may be white supremacy.
sean fitzgerald
If it's above it, I'm just gonna say that.
tim pool
Well, it is the first stripe.
sean fitzgerald
Racism.
unidentified
Oh, the whites are gonna be asexual.
tim pool
No, the, um, isn't that what the yellow is for?
lydia smith
What is the yellow?
sean fitzgerald
I'm not going to say what I thought the yellow was for because that was a bad answer.
lydia smith
Super racist.
ian crossland
I think they're missing the point of white.
sean fitzgerald
I was going to say Pikachu, like the Pokemon.
tim pool
When I, so my family had a cafe in, uh, on North Halstead in Chicago, which is like, it's Boys Town.
It's the gay neighborhood.
unidentified
And then there's, um, the one where Jesse Smollett was attacked.
tim pool
No, no, no.
He wasn't there.
He was in downtown.
sean fitzgerald
Okay.
tim pool
North Halsted is several miles north.
It's by Wrigley Field.
And then there's Boys Town and Ladies Town.
And I forgot what Ladies Town's actual name is, but that's where the lesbians are at and the gay men are in Boys Town.
But I was told when I was there that the flag represented different aspects of the gay community, not races or anything like that.
I don't know for sure though, but it's weird to see that they added race to it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I thought it was just like flamboyant colors that they liked wearing.
tim pool
No, they represent something.
They represent something.
sean fitzgerald
I thought it was them being extra because normally one cause, one color.
And they're like, we want all the colors.
unidentified
How about that?
sean fitzgerald
That makes sense to me.
They're like, deal with gray if you want to be opposed to us.
ian crossland
I don't like the whites on there because when you look at a rainbow, all the colors, it's white light.
And only if you look at it through a prism, do you start to see all the colors of the rainbow, which is the flag is the colors of the rainbow.
tim pool
Like when they combined all of the lantern rings, they created the white lantern core.
ian crossland
There we go.
tim pool
It's all the light.
ian crossland
You've proven my point.
tim pool
I'm just saying like the new flag's got a white stripe in it.
ian crossland
Oh man.
I think of myself as an ally.
I think of myself as like an ally to people in general, to these people of all kinds, but I don't virtue signal.
tim pool
Would you ally with the blob?
unidentified
Let me put it this way.
tim pool
The blob consumes a Krispy Kreme.
ian crossland
I think that would be game time.
tim pool
And you like Krispy Kreme, and you're like, I'm a fan of the blob because it consumed Krispy Kreme.
ian crossland
It's a game time decision, because if, if... No, I probably wouldn't ally with the blob.
tim pool
This is what I'm trying to say.
I believe in civil rights.
I'm actually fairly, moderately left on a lot of the social justice causes.
But when you have a blob that consumes institutions, I'm not going to pretend the blob represents those institutions.
ian crossland
But the blob is full of people, so you can interact with those people.
No, they dissolved a long time ago.
sean fitzgerald
I would say you can't use their language.
The reason they use the term social justice, which is why I named my channel to be the opposite of that, is because it's like, oh, I'm not against societal progress and justice, but once we start adopting their language, it doesn't work.
I agree with you.
In terms of social issues, I'm really libertarian.
But like, we can't use their terms.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, that's absolutely.
So just to simplify, when the blob, when I see like, you know, an LGBT, you know, Pride campaign or something, or Boston Pride, and they're like, we believe that we should have the right to live freely and be in our homes, and I'm like, I hear you, man.
Then a blob consumes them.
And then the blob, like a face comes out of the flesh of the blob, but it's like, just like a flat blob face going, I believe in rats!
I'm like, that's not Boston Pride!
That's something else!
I knew you once, but no longer.
Have you ever seen The Frighteners?
With Michael J. Fox?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
You've never seen it?
ian crossland
I've heard of it, though.
tim pool
There's like, the walls, it's like someone's pushing out through latex, that's what it looks like.
That's what it would be like when the blob is rolling by and then you see a civil rights activist come out and go, support civil rights!
ian crossland
They can be exorcised from the blob.
It just takes strategic surgery, mental surgery.
sean fitzgerald
It's also weird how these movements kind of imitate real life because there is more homophobia among the black community in the United States of America.
America on average, obviously there's pockets of like, you know, evangelical Christians or, or actually Mormons are nice to everybody.
They just want to play board games with you, but there's like pockets of it.
So like for a like supposed black civil rights movement to bully out of existence, a gay civil rights movement, it's really like, it's like almost like the movements are imitating their, uh, their base.
tim pool
Well, let's, let's, let's jump back to the, the nightmare scenario that is what the government is doing and, uh, outside of the, the insanity of the left.
So the general idea, I guess, like, the reason I wanted to get into that is that you've got this cultural movement which is just chaos.
It's fire.
It's rot.
It's destructive.
And you can see that at the federal level, I feel like they really, really are panicking.
This idea of Balkanization is real.
When the states start saying, F you.
When they were like, yo, we're gonna lock down in Texas and Florida, we're like, nah.
Joe Biden said, we're going to have to lock down more.
Meanwhile, people are parting it up in some of these states, clearly having no authority.
Check out this story from the New York Post.
The White House is flagging posts for Facebook to censor over COVID misinformation.
We also saw that story where the Biden administration and the DNC were talking with text message providers, phone companies, to censor text messages.
Oh, we crossed that Rubicon, baby.
unidentified
This is it.
ian crossland
that's no no no we haven't crossed the road what happened I mean what went when
tim pool
when Jen Psaki can go on TV and say she emphasized the word for she goes we are
flagging for Facebook I was like whoa that's not constitutional in any stretch
of the imagination When they would normally do something like this, they would go, we are not telling Facebook what to do.
We are merely asking them to enforce their rules to help this country.
Even that is questionable.
The government can't go to a private company and say, censor this.
They can't.
She's saying they're doing it.
They talk about going after our text messages, bro.
That Rubicon's been crossed.
ian crossland
So who's Caesar in this metaphor?
tim pool
Joe Biden!
unidentified
No!
ian crossland
No one will follow him into battle.
Come on, man!
I got hairy legs!
sean fitzgerald
Joe Biden's like, I'm both Caesar and Brutus.
I don't know what to do, man.
ian crossland
I think the wonderful thing is there's no cult of personality here.
If there was a cult leader, democratic president that people were obsessed with, we might see a Trump.
Yeah, but he wasn't the Democratic leader.
Like if there was a Democrat, if Biden was not Biden, but some crazy cult leader, that would be Rubicon danger where he could turn it into an empire.
sean fitzgerald
We have a very strong First Amendment.
So when you do stuff like this, that's not technically a formal attack on the First Amendment, that's referred to as chilling free speech.
And you're not allowed via Supreme Court decisions to chill free speech in that way.
tim pool
I don't know.
I think this is overt.
sean fitzgerald
Like they're not saying they're not saying we're going to censor it.
They're trying to do an end around to censor indirectly.
So like that's the maneuver that they would be using.
But that's also unconstitutional.
It's called chilling free speech.
tim pool
No, I think chilling free speech is different.
I'm pretty sure if the Democrats are being sued over this in California.
If the government goes to a private company and says, censor this, it is the government taking an overt action, not chilling any- they're literally the ones doing the censorship.
sean fitzgerald
The way that you phrased it, it was like, we're not saying censor it, but we're flagging this for Facebook.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm saying, normally, what the Democrats or the government would do is say, the government is not in the business of censoring Americans.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
We're just letting Facebook know when there's misinformation, and they can deal with it as they see fit.
That's not what they're doing.
That's what you'd expect them to do.
What they're doing now is, Psaki is literally saying, we are flagging it for them to remove.
sean fitzgerald
Okay.
So that's, that's what I, that's right.
tim pool
That's, that's overtly, it would be, it would be like this.
Imagine if the federal government was like, We hired Securitas to go detain, arrest a bunch of people who are at church because they're Christian.
You're not going to be like, that's okay because a private company did it?
Well, the government hires them to do it.
The government instructs them to do it.
They can't.
That's literally what they're doing right now.
sean fitzgerald
This is this is like the or maybe it will lead to the official return of Operation Chokepoint, which was under the Obama administration, where they would target certain sketchy borderline industries and reach out to the banking companies, the payment processes and all that, and get them to stop doing business with them.
And the whole point was like, we're going to do human trafficking.
But then all of a sudden, people who were like legitimately actors in the porn industry would lose their bank accounts.
tim pool
Right.
sean fitzgerald
They're like, we're going to do gun smuggling.
But all of a sudden federally licensed firearm dealerships would lose their bank accounts.
So like the Obama administration in, well, not formally created a list of industries and like industries that they determined to be adjacent to problems in the country.
And they use federal power to get rid of that.
Then Trump comes into office and these companies almost continue that program in his absence.
And now Biden's back in and he's like, well, let's formalize what you guys have been doing already.
tim pool
Here's what's next.
Glenn Greenwald tweets, the White House is admitting that they're compiling lists of
people who they claim are posting content they regard as problematic, and that constitute
misinformation and are demanding Facebook remove them. This is authoritarianism.
So how long until the White House puts out their list of extremist content producers,
and they say the insurrectionists were following these people, which of course is going to include
most of the people you know and love, because people follow a lot of people.
You know what they won't do?
They won't point out that many of these same people will be following Brian Stelter on CNN.
Well, but that's not relevant.
But you'll see Crowder's name in there, you know, stick, sex, and hammer was like, I hope I make the list.
What happens when they do that?
And then they say, the extremists, those who espouse incitement to insurrection, that is illegal and we're going to shut down their accounts.
sean fitzgerald
Yeah, I mean, look, I was told by one of these quote unquote insurrectionists that never went into the building that they watch my content.
So like, ooh, I inspired an extremist.
I, I somehow may have inspired somebody that's further to the right than me much further according to, to this like interpretation.
But yeah, it's definitely a huge problem that they're that they're doing this and that they keep pushing the gas on censorship.
Again, it's, It's an informal, or it's, I'm sorry, it's the formalization of what was already happening while Trump was in office, what became normal.
And like the Biden administration is totally cool with it.
And we're not, we shouldn't be surprised.
Cause remember when Obama played the Facebook algorithm, the Facebook guys came up to him after he won his election.
And they were like, we knew what you were doing.
And we thought it was so cool.
Cause we were on your side.
Trump plays the Facebook algorithm.
They changed the rules completely.
tim pool
Reddit.
sean fitzgerald
Yeah, Reddit.
tim pool
The Donald dominated the front page of Reddit all the time, so they were like, we're going to remove the Donald from the front page, period.
sean fitzgerald
As soon as Republicans figured out how to use the internet, they were like, well, you know, we gotta have authoritative services.
So what if 95% of the mainstream media, except for Fox, is left-leaning?
Don't worry about it.
It's gonna be authoritative.
tim pool
And now they're untethered.
The left is completely untethered from society because of—once big tech started playing that game of, we can—we'll ban the conservatives, and that's literally what they're doing.
There are some people on the left who get banned, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of them.
But when people saw, and I don't think it was an intentional movement, I think it was a natural progression, that you've got left and right, and Facebook and Twitter and YouTube say, this chunk of the right is gone, and this chunk of the left is gone.
Now the whole Overton window just went and shifted farther left.
You get the rainbow bleep bleep monkey.
I can actually... I think you can say butt.
Rainbow bleep butt monkey.
ian crossland
That's very interesting because physically if you had a structure of two pieces and you removed one of that, like the far right you said was removed, that would...
Release the scent.
Like you actually said, untethered.
Like you've removed the counterweight.
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
Another way to put it is if your left fingertips get removed in an accident, but your whole right hand is removed in an accident, and you're right-handed, now you're gonna be left-handed.
You can still use your right arm for things, providing support, but all of a sudden now everything's gonna shift to the left, where the resources are.
So, so long as the censorship is 80% conservative and 20% left, everything's going to shift to the left because it's untethered.
There's nothing holding them back anymore.
So what do you get?
Drag queen story hour.
Because they don't care about what Republicans say because you will get banned for criticizing these communities.
If you say what your issue with it is, you're banned.
Then it levels up.
Now you've got rainbow bleep butt monkey showing up at the library and the parents going, What? And screaming and freaking out.
Anatomically correct.
Someone put on...
Yeah, we can't...
I won't talk too much about it, but yes.
sean fitzgerald
They walk that back in the UK for the next couple months.
They're never gonna do anything like that again.
But the Drag Queen Story Hour, I've been on this for years
because I do a partnership with the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
And that's not just in public libraries.
In certain districts in this country, that's in our public schools.
So if you pay taxes, you're paying for Drag Queen Story Hour for these people to come to your school, read to your kids, and all the books are about how, like, you know, you should probably think about gender transitioning.
Like, kindergartner, have you ever considered this?
tim pool
Do you, uh...
You ever been to a strip club?
sean fitzgerald
Yes.
tim pool
Ian?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Lydia?
sean fitzgerald
No, I have not.
But I was there because I knew somebody that owned it.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
So what a lot of people don't know is that in many states, maybe even most, they don't get fully nude.
In fact, in many of these... Lame.
It's true, though.
ian crossland
It's topless only.
If you have alcohol, you can't have full nude a lot of times.
tim pool
In a lot of states, especially a lot of red states.
sean fitzgerald
How are they still in business with the internet?
tim pool
People like to be there physically.
But the other thing, too, is some places aren't even topless.
Some states don't even allow topless.
So you ask someone, what is it stripping?
And they're going to assume full nude.
That's actually not true.
That's actually not true.
There are places, sure.
ian crossland
Just when they take off the beanie.
tim pool
Yes.
And here's the point.
If you went to, say, I don't know, Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks, and asked them if they would support children taking off their clothes on stage as adult men, would you support an 11-year-old boy on stage taking off his clothing while adult men gave money to him every time he did?
No, of course.
The boy was still wearing shorts and a t-shirt underneath his outfit.
But it was pulling off the clothes and then getting money.
Do you think they would support that?
I actually think right now they wouldn't give you a straight answer.
Because they'd be like, what are you talking about?
What are you trying to say?
I don't trust what you're asking.
It's a straightforward question.
The point is, Chan Cougar actually defended child stripping.
I'm not exaggerating.
This is not a hyperbole.
There is, I'm not going to say the name of the child who does what they call drag shows, but drag shows are conspicuously similar to stripping, where he goes on the stage as a bunch of adults throw money to him and give him money as he takes his clothing off.
And so I saw that and I immediately was like, now that looks like stripping.
Called some people I knew who worked in the industry, asked them some questions, and they said... I didn't ask them about the drag show.
I said, what would you call this?
And I said, a person on stage taking off an outer layer of clothing to reveal undergarments, maybe a t-shirt and shorts, while adults in the audience are giving money as they do it.
And they were like, that's stripping.
And I said, as I described it, like, of course.
And I was like, but they don't get naked.
But you don't always get naked.
And I'm like, okay, so that would be stripping.
Yes, absolutely.
These are people I know who have worked, some women, in multiple states.
And they explain, they're like in Vegas, here's how it works.
Vegas is like, they got brothels.
In like the Dakotas, it's actually like this.
In red states that are more religious, oh man, you can't even, you have to be wearing like a full top.
So quite literally, it's indistinguishable.
And Cenk Uygur has a show where he actively defends the practice.
So, when we're at that level, I don't even know what to say, man.
That is untethered.
That is what untethered means.
ian crossland
That was like a haymaker to my face when I saw that.
tim pool
When a high-profile, progressive YouTube channel With millions of followers, and he actively says, pre-bubescent boys taking off their clothing for adult men at a bar for money is okay.
I'm like, what?
No, I'm sorry, dude.
You've crossed the line.
You're untethered from reality.
Because I can sit here and be like, I actually think we need basic universal healthcare with private supplemental insurance.
I'm in favor of that.
I'm actually in favor of universal parental leave.
I think we've got a big problem with parents not being there for their kids.
I think if we had that some way solidified, it would be fantastic.
I think we've got a huge problem that businesses are tied to healthcare.
I think Andrew Yang was right about that.
And I think the Young Turks have lost their minds when they defend child stripping.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fitzgerald
Well, I mean, you better stop attacking Jank, otherwise Ana's gonna blackmail you.
But, yeah, no, Jank saying that is ridiculous, and they are very, like, weaselly about it, because they'll deny it, but then they'll say how they're in favor of it.
Like, that's the trick.
That's not happening.
But also, you're weird and creepy for being against it, even though...
Even under drag circumstances.
So I asked around.
Typically they leave the money for whichever drag person is on the stage in like a jar away from it.
So you don't have the image of them flinging dollar bills up there.
And that's not even just a kid on a stage getting that image.
It's also like After midnight?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they were drinking, right?
I don't want to say things unless I'm absolutely sure, so either way, it's untethered.
So what happens is, when you have a tribalism, the blob, it's absorbing institutions.
And now the blob is saying that these things should happen, which are horrifying, it's disgusting.
Jank is scared that if he says the wrong thing, he'll offend his audience.
So he defends it.
And they had Jordan Klepper from Comedy Central saying, isn't it so great to hear what this kid has to say about being an advocate?
And I'm like, you people are nuts.
You've gone so far off the rails.
It used to be...
You know, when I grew up, that the conservatives would argue something and it was an argument.
No, no, you can't do that.
Safe, legal, and rare for abortion.
Now it's Lena Dunham saying she wished she got an abortion or whatever, or whatever she said.
Yeah, things like that.
They've untethered.
sean fitzgerald
I've seen Cenk get bullied too.
He, in the beginning when defund the police was becoming popular, Cenk was smart.
He was like, this is a stupid slogan.
And you know, 80% of people are against defunding the police.
But slowly but surely, because his audience is supposed to be more on the left, he started saying, listed, I'm gonna be this defund the police guy.
And now every time he talks about it, he's like, we're in for defund the police, and then it's like a 30 second explanation.
He's for it, but then he gives you the 45 minute pitch of why that doesn't actually mean defund the police.
He was right the first time.
Defund the police is a stupid slogan.
I wish I would have invented it for the Democrats to use, because it's tanking them across the country.
Yeah, like, so I've seen him get bullied by his audience, so this might be an issue where he's like, that's questionable, but over time it got, he got browbeat by his audience.
tim pool
The most fascinating thing now that I see with Young Turks is Jank's insistence that the alt-left exists.
And what does that mean?
Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracy, Aaron Maté, and Jimmy Dore.
The alt-left.
I love it. That's not what alt-left means. It's not what it ever meant and it never really caught
on anyway. So it's funny that he tries claiming that the people who criticize the establishment
and his fake progressive movement are alt-right and alt-left.
It's like, dude, maybe you've just lost the plot because you're chasing the dragon man. You
want the ratings, you want the clicks.
You look at the super cuts of the Young Turks over the years,
and it's really, it's really, you can really see how they've compromised over and over and over
ian crossland
I saw a clip of them.
They had the new hire, and she was like three days on, and he was like, what career?
Do you ever see that?
sean fitzgerald
Oh, Kim Horcher.
ian crossland
You can tell immediately he felt horrible about it, but he was so chill back then.
He was so much more relaxed.
Agitated things have like tweaked him out over the last like six years.
tim pool
I totally get it.
ian crossland
I do.
tim pool
We talked about this the other day, man.
This is important.
I, uh, you know, when I got started in more actively publicly in politics, like Occupy Wall Street, I went to Occupy Wall Street because I saw these videos of police, like it's just dragging a guy by his foot and it's like his hands bleeding.
But I also knew a bunch of hackers, because I've been hanging out at hacker spaces in Los Angeles.
I knew a bunch of hackers, you know, around the world, actually, because I, you know, made some friends, got some connections.
These all were on the left.
All the hacking community was on the left.
Anti-establishment, anti-Fed, anti-intelligence agencies.
They were pro-journalists, pro-information, pro-free speech.
And then something changed.
A bunch of these hackers all of a sudden became authoritarian and pro-FBI.
In fact, some of these people were on Facebook cheering for the FBI raid on Giuliani.
And I commented on the post saying, I'm so glad to see you've finally been de-radicalized, that you would now actively support the FBI.
And they're like, well, I mean, well, they're doing the right thing now.
Dude, these people on the left used to laugh about the trolling that Weave would do.
I can't even say the name of Weave's organization.
I cannot say some of the things he's done.
One of the most notorious trolls, if not the most notorious troll on the internet, saying the most offensive things.
A bunch of people on the left recognized the right of free speech, and they were edgy, and they were fun, and they mocked things, and they made jokes.
And you had George Carlin, and George Carlin would say all of the racial slurs in the world in his bit.
Then something started to change over the past 10 years, rapidly and quickly, where, for whatever reason, the leftists fell in line.
So imagine you're Cenk Uygur, and you're watching the transformation of your audience.
I gotta be honest, the last time I saw Cenk, he yelled at me because he was losing it.
Before that, I was shaking his hands at VidCon, so only like probably three three and a half years ago, maybe, talking to him about ad
rates and YouTube. And then he started to lose it because, like you said, initially he's like, defund
the police is wrong, and now he's embracing it. The left has dramatically changed. And I
think there's one really easy and obvious reason. Young people who are authoritarian and pro-state
were growing up, entering the public left, the political left, and influencing what was being
said.
And so now all of the prominent establishment leftists had to start falling in line with their changing audience.
So they embrace all that stuff.
I've seen some sad stories.
I'm not going to get into the full details, but I know some people who I'm not going to get into full details.
I know some people who have gone through severe depression.
I mean, you live with these people.
You're friends with them for ten years.
You've gone through all these adventures.
You've said every awful thing you can think of because you're trolls on the internet, hackers who believe in free speech.
And then one day, all of your friends are saying, you can't say that anymore.
Everything you've done is wrong, and we're going to cancel you unless you come out in support of us.
And then you're thinking to yourself, like, These people don't believe in anything we've done.
They hate who we are.
They hate what we've done.
What do you do?
So, Cenk, losing his mind, freaking out, snapping at me at Politicon?
Yeah, he's trapped.
He is trapped in that box.
sean fitzgerald
Also, it's frustrating if you're, like, the network, and you see all this talent come through your system, and then they can go be more successful on your own, and you're seeing your numbers drop, but your former employee's doing well.
Dave Rubin, I've done videos about how Anna and Cenk have been unbelievably nasty to Dave Rubin.
Talking about how they never liked him, they wanted to hire his husband, and they embarrassed him.
It's really nasty stuff that you should never air publicly.
Jimmy Dore, the only difference with the Jimmy Dore thing is Jimmy Dore is using Cenk's rhetoric more effectively.
Cenk's the big money in politics guy.
He'll tell you, if you take five grand as a congressman from the NRA, then you are corrupt and you want children to die by firearms.
Well, Cenk took $20 million from Jeffrey Katzenberg.
So when Jimmy Dore points that out, everything Cenk has been saying up until this time, Jimmy has the rhetorical advantage.
And it's like, yeah, you shouldn't have put all your eggs in the money in politics basket.
tim pool
What we're seeing with the meltdown of the Young Turks, it's exactly what you were saying.
It's funny that you have these people who were all part of the network in some way and they move on and find huge success.
Jimmy Dore is still very much saying what he's always said.
He's critical of the establishment.
He's critical of Democrats.
And Glenn Greenwald as well.
I remember I criticized Glenn Greenwald because I thought he was being unfair to CNN because he did it.
He was doing this event and he was talking about CNN.
And I was like, come on, like, you know, we can rag on the mainstream media, but hold on there a minute.
Now I look at a lot of things they're doing, and I've got my criticisms of Glenn Greenwald, absolutely, but I'm impressed that he stuck to his principles for as long as he did, to the point where he actually leaves The Intercept.
Cenk Uygur is watching that.
He's watching the people that do represent his values, what he actually believes, deep down inside.
But he knows he can't do anything because he's tethered to this contract.
Here's what I think.
$20 million.
Who do you take it from?
sean fitzgerald
Jeffrey Katzenberg.
tim pool
So he can't just come out and say the things he wants to say.
Because he has contracts.
He's locked in place.
ian crossland
Is Katzenberg the Disney guy?
sean fitzgerald
Yeah, a former Disney CEO, yeah.
Big Hillary Clinton bundlers.
tim pool
Imagine you have a contract that's like, you gotta do X, Y, and Z. And they're like, don't worry, we're all about the left and progressives, right?
And you're like, this works.
You sign the deal.
Then the progressives become authoritarian crackpot ideologues and you're looking at former employees leaving and your ship is sailing and you're like, I literally can't get off the boat because of the contract I signed.
ian crossland
So are they stuck under like a contract?
sean fitzgerald
It's an investment.
So like the fact that they're not profitable, like, you know, you have to, you have to make a return for your investors.
unidentified
It's not like they bought the, I'm sure they bought a portion of it.
sean fitzgerald
You don't give somebody $20 million for zero percent of their company.
But, you know, it's a private company, so a lot of the details are hidden.
But yeah, it's that.
But what's funny about Glenn Greenwald and Jimmy Dore being anti-Jank, is that Jank, Jimmy Dore, and Greenwald were all a part of the crew that tried to kick Sam Harris out of the left years ago.
So when you were saying Glenn Greenwald was unfair, not CNN, to Sam Harris.
Unbelievably unfair to him.
Jimmy Dore too.
And Jimmy Dore, like, Even though I'm enjoying this, I'm not a Jimmy Dore fan and I can't stand people in my audience, so hi guys, that say Jimmy Dore's the correct leftist, Jimmy Dore's the good leftist.
Let me be 100% clear about something.
Have you ever heard this idea that the Young Turks inspired a police shooting?
tim pool
I've never heard that before.
sean fitzgerald
Yeah, so it's the Baton Rouge one.
I won't name the name for the algorithm purposes.
The young Turk that inspired them was Jimmy Dore.
tim pool
I do remember hearing about this vaguely.
sean fitzgerald
And you can find the videos online.
So like for me, it's a battle of the scummy.
I will watch it for entertainment, but I'm not jumping on any team.
tim pool
I like Jimmy Dore for one reason.
He'll talk to you, he'll be straight about it.
So he has his opinions, he makes his videos, he talks about what we want to talk about.
I disagree with him on a decent amount, but I know that I can message him and he's like a real human being.
And so I know a lot of people, Ian and I have differing opinions.
But if we can actually talk, and you'll be honest in our conversations, like real people, then I'm cool with that.
Like, I could hang out with a communist so long as they were totally honest about what communism was and meant.
Just don't lie to me and be real and I'll be like, well, maybe we shouldn't, maybe we won't be friends, but I can have a polite conversation and be like, that's cool, you know?
sean fitzgerald
My thing is, is that if I speculated terribly on a story and that turned out to be false and that inspired somebody to kill three cops, I would at least acknowledge it publicly.
tim pool
You know, let me explain, you know, the Young Turks rage in this way.
I signed a deal with Univision's, you know, and Disney Fusions company.
It was a two-year contract.
It was for a lot of money.
And when they started doing bad stuff, and I didn't like it, and I didn't want to play that ridiculous woke game, they just put me in golden handcuffs, where they were basically like, sit back and do nothing because there's nothing you can do.
And I tried breaking the... I said, will you let me out of the contract?
They basically said no.
They didn't say it outright, but they were like, well, you know, let's revisit the conversation later, and then I'm just sitting there like, I can't do anything.
Now, for me, I didn't lose my mind, because I had no obligations to be on camera saying these things.
I literally was just like, I'm not gonna go on camera and say these things.
There was an instance where I was doing a mini-doc on this cop watch group.
And when I was talking to some woman about police brutality, and then I, uh, it was the craziest thing.
I brought up, we were just talking.
And then I mentioned, you know, and she said, you know, growing up and being Asian in New York, you deal with a lot of police brutality.
And I was like, yeah, yeah.
I was like, my family absolutely dealt with a lot of this stuff too.
Cause you know, I'm, I'm part Korean.
And then she, she immediately snapped at me and got really mad and said, no, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Take that back.
And I was like, but my family did go through this stuff.
Like we, we had bricks thrown through our window.
And then I was just like, dude, if you guys want to finish this shoot, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to sit here and take a racist, you know, insult or anything like that.
I don't have to be here and I don't want to be involved in this.
And I'm not going to, I'm not going to be the person on camera who's in there going like, oh, I'm so sorry that I, I'm so, no, I'm not doing it.
So they put me in golden handcuffs.
But I didn't have to be, you know, on camera.
Cenk has to host his show.
And so what if he starts saying things like the establishment is bad?
He did say the Democrats lie all the time.
I can respect that.
But what if he starts coming out and saying, you know, Trump's right about the manufacturing base leaving?
It's going to hurt the investors.
They're going to revolt, and they could come after him for breach of contract.
You're hurting the company.
You're hurting the investment.
You owe us.
So he has no choice but to sit on this boat forever, for however long.
It could be forever.
It's an investment.
It could be forever.
He's trapped.
And he's watching Jimmy Dore and Glenn Greenwald, and they're on the shore waving goodbye as he drifts further and further out into oblivion.
sean fitzgerald
And the reason Jimmy has the overwhelming advantage in their dispute is because, based on the ideological parameters that Cenk has set out, Jimmy's right.
unidentified
Like, force the vote for Medicare for All.
sean fitzgerald
I've disputed the polling around Medicare for All multiple times, but that doesn't matter.
They all theoretically believe that everybody's in support of Medicare for All, and now's the time to do it.
Jimmy Dore was 100% right in that progressive sphere, which is why Cenk lost publicly in the PR battle for that.
tim pool
I mean, I think the Young Turks are not long for this political landscape, to be equally honest.
sean fitzgerald
And Anna did black.
Like, that was an attempted black vote.
tim pool
Yeah, well, explain that.
What was that?
sean fitzgerald
So, she... So, what ended up happening is they were going... Jimmy was hitting the Young Turks for a long time, and over-forced the vote, by name, since, like, November, December, whenever he started to force the vote.
tim pool
Well, let's start from that part.
Basically, there were progressives who said, The squad and progressive members of Congress should withhold their support for Nancy Pelosi unless Pelosi agrees to have a floor vote on Medicare for All.
The Young Turks were like, NO!
Don't do it!
Don't help Republicans!
sean fitzgerald
And they would make up that there was a scenario where they could make a Republican speaker.
Which, by the way, being a speaker without a majority is meaningless anyway, so even if that wasn't a lie, which it was, Cenk was lying about that, it wouldn't mean anything.
So Jimmy was calling that out because he was a big advocate of it.
And it seemed like Cenk was jealous that Jimmy thought of it, or maybe he was trying to preserve relationships with the squad or something like that.
Over time, that led into Jimmy attacking Cenk as a televangelist because you get $20 million from Katzenberg, but you're out there every day like, I need money.
The funniest email by far, and I'm on the Young Turks email list, so I saw it, is where they said, we'll get you $2,000 stimulus checks.
If you give us money, the Young Turks will pressure people in the Democratic Party to get you stimulus checks.
Wow.
unidentified
What?
sean fitzgerald
Yeah.
Cenk's fundraising is really greasy and televangelist-y.
So Jimmy's been slamming him over and over again.
And again, the rhetorical advantage because the money in politics argument, according to Cenk's own logic, Jimmy's right.
So Anna Kasparian pops into Jimmy Dore's DMs.
And she runs down this thing.
She's like, I've been letting you talk like nonstop about me and TYT, and that's going to end.
I'm going to bring up this time that you like harass me or apologize.
And she named like one instance where he apologized in there, not like alludes to it.
And then she says, one time you said that you like my jeans and you wanted to buy a pair for my wife, right?
tim pool
For his wife?
sean fitzgerald
Yeah, for Jimmy's wife.
So Jimmy, like if you get that message, You have to come out publicly, because if Jimmy stopped talking about the Young Turks, even if it was for a week, Ana could have said, look, I messaged him this, he hasn't talked about us for a week, therefore he knows it's true, therefore he's a scumbag.
So it's a total setup.
So Jimmy comes out and tells the story.
Turns out Jimmy Dore actually told the story months earlier.
Oh, bumped the mic.
Jimmy told the story months earlier, the same exact story that he told now, without naming Ana.
So like, Anna tried to blackmail him in order to get him to stop, and Jimmy was criticizing her on policy.
Her and Cenk on policy.
And she tried to dig up this thing that he apologized for.
It was not that big of a deal.
tim pool
I don't know.
sean fitzgerald
You know... You could listen to the videos.
Jimmy has them all out there.
tim pool
That whole stuff gets a little bit too in the weeds of, like, drama between personalities.
sean fitzgerald
It shows how nasty the Young Turks are.
Jimmy apologized for it.
Ana accepted the apology.
Seven years passed by.
Jimmy has criticisms of the Young Turks as a network and their policy positions.
And then they're like, oh yeah?
Shut up or we're going to MeToo you.
tim pool
Right.
So this is where I think in the greater context for those that probably, if you don't care about the Young Turks, and I imagine it's a lot of people.
No, I'm not saying no one cares about the Young Turks.
I'm saying probably people watch us or like, I don't watch them.
sean fitzgerald
I do.
tim pool
It's indicative of what's happening to the mainstream left messaging.
The Young Turks, big, powerful, prominent.
They were like one of the first.
They're on YouTube TV.
They have their own channel.
And I don't think they'll last long because you can't.
Look, you know, he got booted from the Justice Democrats.
You can't please this crowd.
I mean, we just did a segment about how the Black Lives Matter activists got Boston Pride shut down.
You cannot have allegiance to a group of people who will just gut you and eviscerate you at a moment's notice.
Or without even a moment's notice.
So the Young Turks are continually embracing nonsensical policy positions.
Notably, like, don't push a vote for Medicare for All.
I was 100% in favor of the force the vote.
Not that I thought it could pass, but Jimmy said, I want to know who opposes it.
Let the Democrats say to their constituents what they really believe.
And I'm like, yes!
I thought it was hilarious.
How many Democrats come out and they're like, we absolutely support Bernie and they know their actual core constituency are moderate and don't want it.
unidentified
So when it comes to the vote, they're going to be like, no.
sean fitzgerald
So this is where I had the, in jank Jimmy logic, it works.
This is where I had the flaw, is because it's really easy to vote yes on a bill that you know for a fact it's not going to pass anyway.
So you wouldn't have really gotten a good assessment of who's in favor, who is opposed to it.
Perfect example of this, Barack Obama votes against raising the debt ceiling as a senator.
Now when he's president and the Republicans are threatening to actually do that, He had to come out and say, look, I was grandstanding.
That's what you do.
When you know a bill is going to pass for sure, and you think you can grandstand in voting the opposite way, that's what you do for political points.
tim pool
But think about the midterms when primaries happen, and they could say, here's them saying yes or no.
Make them put their money where their mouth is.
I want honesty in politics.
So if these people are like, I'm gonna lie for votes, and then when it comes to actually voting, they have to make a choice, a hard choice.
None of this wishy-washy BS.
Then when the primary and the midterms come up, there's gonna be a video over and over again of them saying yay or nay.
So I agree, force the vote.
sean fitzgerald
No, I think it fits perfectly if you're in that camp, but you could also vote present, remember.
tim pool
That's right.
And then what happens is, as Jimmy was stating, you get to, in the primary, say they refused to support Medicare for All, they're not progressive.
Let that be known.
Look, I don't agree with most of what these Democrats want, but I do agree the constituents have a right to know what they actually will do.
I don't want none of this, I'll just do whatever the whims and tides of the day are going to be.
ian crossland
This came up before, man.
It shouldn't be like, I'm going to trust this person to do what they said they're going to do.
It should be a smart contract built into their job.
They say they're going to do it when they're running, and then they're bound.
And it happens automatically whether they don't even get to choose.
tim pool
There are issues with that, though.
Like, what if they get in and then get handed a classified document and they go, ooh, wow.
ian crossland
Too bad.
sean fitzgerald
I would be fascinated.
ian crossland
Tell the American people they got a document.
Expose it.
tim pool
Yeah, that's true.
sean fitzgerald
I would be fascinated if you had them all on record.
To see what would actually happen in the primaries, because Jimmy's theory of politics is that if you vote no on Medicare for All, you're losing in the primary.
I don't think that's gonna actually pull out in the correct way.
Joe Manchin, if he voted, I know he's in the Senate, but if he voted yes on Medicare for All, he'll probably win his primary, but he's losing to the Republican.
He has triangulated his way into that Senate seat that should be a Republican Senate seat.
And he's the most popular politician in West Virginia history, by the way, as a Democrat.
tim pool
Who is?
sean fitzgerald
Joe Manchin.
unidentified
Oh, geez.
sean fitzgerald
Everybody doesn't... People don't like him, but the Democrats would not have their place in the Senate right now if not for him.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
A lot of people pointing out that Jimmy spit on Alex Jones.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
sean fitzgerald
He spit on Alex Jones' face.
lydia smith
That's so nice.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm not a fan.
But, you know, Alex got up in their space and there was a whole fight.
I was there, actually, at the DNC.
sean fitzgerald
Infowars.com.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that was the DNC.
Was it the DNC or was it the RNC?
sean fitzgerald
It was the RNC.
tim pool
It was the RNC.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was at both.
sean fitzgerald
I have so much love for Alex Jones because I was watching politics on YouTube when there were five political channels.
Alex Jones, the Young Turks, which is why I know so much about them, Lee Doran, if you remember him?
And a couple others that I don't want to name.
tim pool
We are changed.
sean fitzgerald
We are changed.
Luke Rudowsky.
tim pool
Yeah, Luke, where you at?
He pops in from time to time.
Yeah, one of the original, I think Luke might be like the original political channel.
No joke.
Because he's got videos going way back.
And he was, his first video is where he was yelling at Zygmunt Brzezinski, I think it was.
You're a globalist!
He's yelling at him or whatever.
Luke's come a long way.
ian crossland
Still yelling about Warren 25 was pretty hardcore.
He was that Canadian dude that just screamed at George Bush.
He was a good friend of mine.
sean fitzgerald
There's an issue I know Luke more for, but I can't say it on because I'm pretty sure it's a YouTube thing.
tim pool
Probably.
So we'll save all that super spicy stuff for the members only bonus segment and all the election stuff, which is like some really big news.
But, you know, I don't look.
I don't care for most of the drama.
I want to say, I think a lot of the Young Turks stuff comes up simply because, you know, Cenk puts out a lot of these half-baked statements, and I don't much care for the Young Turks.
I don't care to talk about them all that often, but they are a big and powerful player in politics.
ian crossland
They're a litmus test, if anything, of what's happening socially to news media, because they were 2008, 2007, is that when they started?
sean fitzgerald
I mean, they were on YouTube before YouTube had monetization.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So they had none of that.
Didn't they have their own website before even YouTube existed?
sean fitzgerald
Well, so Cenk bought the domain.
I know too much about the Young Turks.
Cenk bought the domain, the Young Turk in 1996 and the Young Turks in 1997.
ian crossland
OK, so old school.
And I mean, he was very anti-war in Iraq, extremely outspoken about the corruption in the Bush administration.
And I learned a lot.
And I think a lot of people did because of his work.
But then you see over the decades, it's kind of like he's transitioning as society's transitioning.
tim pool
And he's like, let me let me let me let me let me explain some of you guys.
I was talking to some guys from Vice and there was I don't know if I told the story on air before, because it's like, you know, you to probably mad at me, but whatever.
There was an article from Vice that said this disgusting app shows you what women look like topless.
And it's an app where if you take a picture of a woman, it uses like, you know, an algorithm or whatever to generate a topless image, simulates it.
And so I was talking to these guys from Vice a couple years ago, and they were talking about how so many people changed.
They were like, man, so many people we knew from Vice have just changed, become far right, blah, blah, blah.
And so I was like, guys, you changed.
We didn't.
I was like, I showed him the article.
It was a reason at the time or something like that.
I was like, you see this article, like this disgusting app can show you what women look like topless.
And they're like, yeah.
And I'm like, do you know what the title of that article would have been in 2011?
And they were like, oh yeah, it would have been this amazing app can show you because vice was left sort of, but they were edgy.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
They were punk rock, sex drugs and rock and roll, man!
Not these stodgy suit-wearing conservatives!
We're not gonna wear those suits at CPAC!
And now Vice is moral, authoritarian, stodgy, you know, do as you're told or else.
ian crossland
It's called Vice.
tim pool
They changed.
They changed.
So I bring that up because there's that video.
There's a composite video from the Young Turks.
And you can see the things that Cenk and Anna used to talk about, like talking directly about women's bodies.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Mocking them.
ian crossland
No censorship.
They were free.
tim pool
It was funny, edgy.
It was free speech.
And now they're locked down, moral authoritarian.
That's the left.
That's the evolution of the left.
sean fitzgerald
I should have watermarked those clips because when Cenk announced he was running for Congress, I went and I knew all the dirt, downloaded it, started uploading it to Twitter and everybody stole it from me.
But shout out to Steven Michael Davis for starting this whole fight between Cenk and Jimmy and Jimmy Dore.
He's the one who clipped that whole Aaron Maté thing that started this whole thing.
Check him out on Twitter and on YouTube.
Great man.
I've been entertained for months based on that one minute long clip.
tim pool
You know, I'll say this right now, and then we'll read superchats.
The Democratic Party is trash.
I detest them.
The neocons, all trash.
They went and joined the Democratic Party back in 2016 because of Hillary.
The Republican Party, the remnants of the establishment Republicans, mostly trash.
But there's a decent handful of Republicans that I can respect.
I can respect the populist right for wanting to fight back.
The Libertarian Party, mostly trash as well.
ian crossland
Party politics is trash.
tim pool
Mises Caucus, Dave Smith, now I'm starting to actually dig what's happening with the Libertarian Party.
ian crossland
How can we do this without parties?
tim pool
I think, I don't mind party politics.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
It's sort of like, the problem with certain areas is how it breaks down into a single party rule.
That's a problem.
But when you look at how the primary process works, it serves, similarly, a kind of rank choice system.
You know, so you have a bunch of different parties, the people vote for who in the, like, so you've got progressive, conservative, libertarian, and of the progressives, which one should win?
And then they choose.
Boop.
Then of the libertarians, which one should win?
Then of the republicans, the problem is it's devolved into two-party tribalism.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
It's not necessarily the party issue, it's the first-past-the-post voting system.
Where it's one person, one vote.
That actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you actually go through the math of the system.
Because then people end up voting against instead of for because a vote against is typically more powerful than a vote for.
ian crossland
So you think with rank-choice voting, party politics would be less incisive?
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
But rank-choice isn't even that perfect.
There's still issues with it, but I certainly like rank-choice better than... You know, I think if we had rank-choice voting, Ron Paul would have won.
ian crossland
I don't know if incisive is the right word.
tim pool
The problem is, everybody says, man, I'd love to vote for Ron Paul, But he's probably not going to win.
So you got to vote for McCain.
ian crossland
How come George Washington, when he was leaving office was like party politics is terrible.
Do not do it.
It will be the downfall of our system.
sean fitzgerald
He's right about rank choice.
Cause right now, if like a better candidate, if like Biden versus Trump, right.
And then there was a third party candidate that you thought was better, but you didn't believe they could win.
Voting for them, like assuming you wanted Trump to win, like you're taking away votes for Trump would cause your worst choice to win Hillary, Biden, whatever.
The point of ranked choice is that if your candidate doesn't get above a certain threshold or is not going to win, then they default, all the voters default to their second choice.
ian crossland
I like that a lot.
tim pool
So look, Dave Smith becomes the Libertarian presidential candidate.
And then it's Biden, Trump, Dave Smith.
I go number one, Dave Smith, number two, Trump.
Then what happens is if it turns out Dave actually can't win and he only gets 10%, my vote goes to Trump instead.
So it stops me from voting in the lesser of two evils.
It gives me the actual ability to choose.
And then what ends up happening is it gives people the confidence to vote for who they actually want.
It's not perfect.
There still are circumstances where people end up panicking and voting because of the way some of these systems are designed.
Voting against somebody, for sure.
sean fitzgerald
The idea is you're more voting for who you want to win instead of voting against who you want to lose.
ian crossland
That's very important.
tim pool
I think if we had ranked choice voting, we'd get a libertarian president.
I do.
Not that I completely agree with the libertarian.
I want to stress, I'm not saying I think Ron Paul has the best ideas in the world.
He's just a million times better than the establishment.
Because he was like, I'm not going to go to war!
And I'm like, sign me up!
Leave me alone!
He's the candidate for you, right?
Let's go to Super Chats and see what the audience has to say.
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Now, I know a lot of people have said, some of these segments are too important to be behind a paywall.
You are completely right.
I 100% agree.
The issue right now is that the current version of the website doesn't actually have a function by which we can...
Properly upload.
We have new infrastructure coming, hopefully by Monday.
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So anyway.
Alright, let's see what we got here.
C. Hennessy says, Tim, been a fan since Vice found you, again months ago, but recently I've been getting recommended videos that are definitely hit pieces on some drama from past colleagues.
Maybe that's how YouTube attacks now.
I have past colleagues making drama?
I have no idea.
You know, I'll be honest, I completely ignore it all.
Like, there's been, apparently, I guess Ethan Klein was talking about me?
lydia smith
Of course.
tim pool
I think it's hilarious, because I literally don't care.
You know, so we talk about the Young Turks right now, and I'm always like, oh, they might respond and say something to me.
I'm not going to engage.
I'm not saying this because I want any drama to exist.
I have my opinions.
They can have theirs about me.
I'm not going to argue with them.
I have no problem if I ever saw Cenk Uygur be like, hey, how's it going, man?
How's it been?
It's the business.
But he's the one who yelled at me, so, you know, whatever.
I'm not here for that.
I just ignore it all.
Ignore it all.
I will say, though, something we tweeted out.
We have a soft lock on a Charlie Kirk-Vosch discussion debate.
August 3rd, so if you haven't... I say soft.
They've both agreed to it.
They've both agreed to the date.
They're both cool and excited for it, and I think it'll actually be a lot of fun.
Are you moderating it?
it's going to be a shouting match, maybe a little bit, because people get heated, but
I don't think it's going to be as bad.
I don't think it's going to be crazy.
I think it's going to be really, really interesting, actually.
sean fitzgerald
Are you moderating it?
Like, you're going to actively moderate?
tim pool
Probably, but there's another guy I know who's a lefty that I might have as well, because
I don't want to put Vosch in a situation where he's got someone who's kind of libertarian
and someone who's conservative just arguing, like, you know...
Yeah, I disagree with Charlie on a bit.
He's conservative.
We had a fun conversation with him in Will Chamberlain where I'm like, here's my position.
They're like, that's libertarian.
We're conservatives.
But Charlie and I will probably agree on more than we would with Vaush.
So I got another guy who is a lefty who agrees more with Vosh than he would with either of us.
So I'm hoping it would actually just be a big discussion.
I can pull up sources and say, hey, that's not true.
That's not true.
But we'll figure it out.
Four people might be too cluttered and I might just keep quiet.
I might just not actually engage and let them talk and then actually just Google what he says and then Google what, you know.
sean fitzgerald
I would get them to agree to a time because they're both... I've debated Bosch.
He likes to suck up all the time, and I met Charlie Kirk and I've seen him speak.
He loves speaking in those 45-second, I'm-running-for-Senate clips, so you gotta, like, at least establish some kind of, like, you have two minutes, you have two minutes.
That's my advice.
tim pool
We'll mute the mic, and then Charlie will get over.
Excuse me!
ian crossland
Pass the gorilla.
If you have the gorilla, you can speak.
tim pool
No, I don't know.
We'll just...
ian crossland
Those guys are chill, man.
I love those dudes.
They're easy to talk to.
We had a four hour conversation with Bosh.
We had a great two and a half hour conversation with Charlie.
tim pool
It was awesome.
What you gotta watch out for, and everybody does, and I will not accept, is when people do four or five points in one go.
You make a point, you gotta stop, because we have to fact-check it.
You can't just keep saying things, and it's really annoying when someone will start saying something.
They'll be like, you know that 2 plus 2 equals 4, and that 3 plus 3 equals 6, and then 4 plus 4... Hold on, hold on!
We gotta go back to 2 plus 2, bro!
You can't just gloss over and say all of these things and bring us to a different point of the conversation.
But a lot of people go, you're interrupting me!
You're interrupting...
sean fitzgerald
Can one of the debate topics be that Charlie Kirk is way taller than you imagine?
He's huge!
tim pool
He's way taller than me!
He's like 8 foot 50?
lydia smith
That's true.
tim pool
What is he like 6'3 or 6'4?
sean fitzgerald
When I met him, I shook his hand.
I didn't know who I was meeting.
I looked up.
I'm like, oh my god, you're Charlie Kirk.
tim pool
You looked up!
sean fitzgerald
I mean, I looked down because I'm 6'7.
lydia smith
That's right, yeah, 6'7.
That's true.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got here.
Kevin Burns says federal government should back off the states.
Tenth Amendment needs to be respected.
Absolutely.
lydia smith
True that.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Dark Hood Order of Grace says, first time super chatting.
Just wanted to say I'm glad to now be a part of the team as a Timcast membership.
Thank you all so much for being members.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
We have, I think, around 21 employees or so.
ian crossland
Yeah, the vibe is good.
tim pool
It's getting crazy.
lydia smith
All of it.
tim pool
You know, the weirdest thing is we're at the point where stuff is happening I don't know about.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
You know, I don't know.
ian crossland
I walked to the house and I'm like, oh, I was like, oh, like I should introduce myself.
tim pool
Something happened.
ian crossland
I kind of wasn't for days.
And I was like, I really should be more personable.
tim pool
Things are happening that I didn't know were happening.
It's like, oh man.
lydia smith
It's all these people I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, there's so many people now, like stuff happens.
Like I see an article pop up on the website and I'm like, hello.
So it's going to be fantastic.
Oh yeah.
unidentified
All right.
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
JustSomeMincedGarlic says, three of my coworkers and I quit when they tried to force critical race courses as part of training.
Now work for a suppressor company.
Best change ever.
That sounds pretty awesome.
lydia smith
That's cool.
tim pool
Let me just stress to all of you right now.
I went to the diner, and they have a sign on the door, we're struggling to staff.
I walked inside, a whole section of the building was, you can't sit here, understaffed.
So they only had one little dining area.
They close at 5pm.
If you work for a company, and they're like, we're gonna get woke, and you look your manager in the eye and say, I will quit on the spot, they'll say, please, please, please don't, we can't hire anybody, nobody wants to work.
You have all the leverage right now as an employee.
These companies are desperate.
Dude, I saw a Wendy's and a big banner said, open interviews anytime.
Like, I could walk in right now.
I'd like an interview.
Please come here.
There are signs on McDonald's and other fast food restaurants.
$1,000 bonus.
Now, I know a lot of people are saying, I don't work for a fast food restaurant.
Dude, nobody.
Like, people are struggling to hire.
I'll tell you this.
Why is it that we're hiring?
It's a high profile show with a decent amount of resumes and people want to work and we do passion projects.
So maybe you work at a company that's not the same as, you know, like a cracker factory or a paper mill or something.
But I genuinely believe right now you will have a substantial amount of leverage if they try introducing, you know, racist trainings like they're doing with the critical race applied principles and you just say, I'll quit, you know?
And then what happens when you file for unemployment?
It's because my boss was racist.
sean fitzgerald
It's the biggest labor crunch in recent history.
You gotta go for it.
McDonald's giving away iPhones, too.
lydia smith
I know, I saw that.
It's crazy.
sean fitzgerald
And some of those high-profile jobs, because people have moved away, and they're like, if I don't work from home, I'm not coming back.
If you're just willing to go into the office, you can get a huge pay increase.
tim pool
Yeah?
Yeah, wow.
Alright, OCDWolfman says, so last week you had been discussing storage of meat like chicken.
You can typically store chicken vacuum-sealed and frozen for up to two years.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I watched a video where they were water glassing eggs.
You know what that is?
It's like a mixture of lime and water.
And you take the egg right from the coop, right from the chicken's butt, and you just, you put it in.
I'm probably getting this wrong.
I'm not, but there's something, there's something on the egg called the bloom, which is like, it seals the egg.
So you can put it right in that lime mixture and leave it for like up to two years or something like that.
ian crossland
Refrigerated or?
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Just in the bucket.
lydia smith
I got to ask, is this how they treat them in Europe?
Because I know that they do not refrigerate eggs in Europe.
tim pool
You don't have to if you don't wash them.
Yeah.
So because in the U.S.
they have to be washed.
Right.
They become porous and then things go bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Track Media Only says, peaceful divorce requires both sides wanting peaceful and the left wants your stuff.
Or do you think China and Russia are peaceful when they want something?
But that also implies that there's going to be easily dividable state factions, which I don't think there will be.
Because blue cities don't agree with the rest of their red states, so what's more likely to happen is a fracture of confidence and a general dissolution.
I don't think it's gonna be... Like, you might get the Enclave.
Like, you play Fallout 3, right?
sean fitzgerald
No, I don't play Game Station.
tim pool
Wow, what are you talking about?
unidentified
What?
Fallout.
sean fitzgerald
I don't know any video games.
That's what you play it on, right?
A game station?
tim pool
Fallout 3?
sean fitzgerald
No, I don't play games.
tim pool
PC?
Computer?
Xbox?
PlayStation?
You play Fallout 3.
unidentified
The last game I played was Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars.
Good game, dude!
sean fitzgerald
Fantastic.
tim pool
Fallout 3, there's this very powerful faction called the Enclave.
It's remnants of the government.
So there might be a very... You might see, like, you know, capital police, like, guarding a building, and you're like, oh, look, those guys are still around, huh?
But who knows?
MIT says by 2040.
We'll see how that plays out.
Thundercat says, the TimCast crew with Actual Justice Warrior.
Awesome.
Guys, help me convince my wife to buy a gorilla shirt.
We also have the Don't Snake Me Bro shirt, which is a skateboarding or, you know, it's a skate park reference.
Snaking someone is when you cut in front of them, when it's their turn to hit a ramp or a rail or an obstacle.
unidentified
Cut line.
tim pool
Yeah, you're cutting in line.
So it's the Gadsden snake with a beanie on a skateboard.
It says, Don't Snake Me Bro.
lydia smith
Tim's beard, it's great.
tim pool
All the skateboarders were like, yeah!
They were super excited to wear the Gadsden Don't Snake Me brochure.
James Alford says, I looked at the map.
I don't like being with Colorado.
If this happens, we need to separate into two north and south or east and west and give people that want freedom the time to move to the split they want.
And the same with the commies.
I've been telling you, man, you got to go somewhere else.
Get away from the cities, move to the state you want to be in.
People don't realize, like, Oregon, for instance, these counties want to secede.
They voted to secede.
If the Pacific Northwest actually ever did break out, you're a serf.
And then you're trapped.
So, go somewhere with like-minded people.
sean fitzgerald
They might be the only people, and they still wouldn't be able to do it, that could leave without triggering a war.
Because if you think about it, if, like, Louisiana were to secede, That's the port of New Orleans.
That's the end of the Mississippi River.
You can't give that up to another country.
You're going to end up going into war over that.
ian crossland
No coastal territory.
No breadbasket state.
Maybe a mountainous... No state.
tim pool
I mean, you want a port, dude.
ian crossland
Every port.
The feds are not going to give up a port.
sean fitzgerald
The reason Andrew Jackson is president is because New Orleans was the strategically most important city when he won the Battle of New Orleans.
Because everything had to go out through the Mississippi River.
tim pool
Texas is probably one of the best bets, but I'm worried a bunch of the California people are moving there and we'll see what actually happens in Texas.
But they have the Gulf.
sean fitzgerald
The California people make Texas more red.
If the election were held with just native Texans, Bader O'Rourke would be the senator of Texas.
tim pool
Yeah, but are those people from California?
Or is that like the conservatives from all over the country who are moving in?
sean fitzgerald
But largely, except for Austin, which is a lefty-like enclave, the people moving from California are the Republicans that are moving it.
They're keeping it red.
lydia smith
Good, I hope so.
tim pool
Alex on Earth says, secession is a surefire way to get a job cleaning CCP toilets.
I agree.
That's why it worries me.
Alright, Makeshift Electric says, hey Tim, recently heard you say in passing you wanted someone to make music for you.
On a whim, I sent some of my stuff to the pitch's email.
Didn't know where else to send.
You played a big role in waking me up, so thank you all.
Hey, appreciate it.
Yes, we're looking for a composer.
Quite literally, we need to hire someone who will sit in a room making different music all day.
That's it.
Probably a lot of, I'm talking like, Easily, like a lot of electronic production stuff, and then instrumentation, whatever you can do, but if there was somebody who knew how to just do electronic, I'd be like, make the music, because we can use it for everything we do.
ian crossland
I would love for that person to also, if you could set up microphones all over the place, you know, you understand sound, booms, dampening, what equipment we need, what pieces, all that stuff, like the total package, bring it.
tim pool
Definitely.
Tyler Richie says, Hey Tim, what do you think of Elon shouting out Dogecoins?
Is this market manipulation?
This week he shouted out Daddy Doge to Mars after his trial.
I do think it is, but crypto is not regulated.
Isn't his kid mining Doge?
ian crossland
Oh, Elon says?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
I think everybody plays this stupid game.
A lot of people will super chat like, this is the crypto to buy, and I'm like, I know they're saying that because they want... Is word of mouth, when you're famous, market manipulation?
sean fitzgerald
I think... Well, yes.
tim pool
When you have a vested interest in the production of a product, and you own a ton of it, and then you start tweeting out, hey, hey, yeah, check it out.
sean fitzgerald
You're sketchy in the legal territory, whether it's technically actually market manipulation.
tim pool
Well, it's not.
It's legally not.
There's no laws.
I'm just saying we know why he's doing it.
ian crossland
Like, it is manipulating the market, but it's not legally manipulating the market.
However that works.
tim pool
Brown Bear says, if we have a peaceful divorce, who gets custody of the nukes?
The region where the nukes are.
The command stations for where they are.
That's it.
ian crossland
We need a technological solution here.
I'm just... I'm falling flat right now.
But it's not an easy solution, or someone would have figured it out already.
tim pool
BrownBear says, rock and stone to the bone!
unidentified
Hey!
Dude, are you talking about Deep Rock Galactic?
ian crossland
It's a game for the PC.
tim pool
Blackstone.
ian crossland
It's a great game, by the way.
sean fitzgerald
Oregon Trail?
ian crossland
Good game!
lydia smith
Oregon Trail, yeah.
ian crossland
My daughter died of cholera.
It was sad.
lydia smith
Yeah, I died of dysentery.
tim pool
Twimmy says, love your work guys, keep it up!
Go where your heart is, man.
I'm a fairly pessimistic Canadian who's sick of living in liberal land and considering immigrating to the states
But I don't know Jack about the process South Dakota seems mint any advice
Go where your heart is man. I don't have any advice cuz I don't know how the process works either
Well get a job with an American corporation I do know that Biden basically just lets everybody through the southern border.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You could definitely come visit, I think.
tim pool
Apparently that still works.
ian crossland
For a while.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know.
sean fitzgerald
Do we have policies related to the virus for incoming travelers still?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know.
I think so, yeah.
I think the borders are still restricted.
Staunch Unionist says, Tim, do you think the establishment wants to balkanize the U.S., or do you think the Dems just want a civil war because they think they can win and take all the power?
Personally, I can't stand the idea of a peaceful divorce.
That's what Jack Posobiec was saying.
That the Democrats have the solution, but they need a problem.
They need some kind of catalyst so that they can then crack down and just become the CCP.
He made a really great point that when these politicians went over to China and saw how they can snap their fingers and create a financial district and just create an amusement park and then boom, there's Disney World, they were like, how do we do that?
Well, you've got to be authoritarian.
How do you do that?
You've got to get rid of the Constitution.
How do you do that?
You need a civil war.
sean fitzgerald
Politicians always have more solutions than there are problems, and those solutions tend to create more problems.
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a lot of ideas they want to implement that they're waiting for something.
Remember, COVID is an opportunity to remake the country.
tim pool
Yeah.
Splinter191 says, you asked what a ward room is.
It refers to the officers of a ship.
It's also where they eat their meals on fancy dishes and silverware.
Navy, nuke, sub, vet, right on.
Very cool.
Oh, okay.
Tarzan Jungle Kung Fu says that white stripe is actually for the Seven Nation Army.
lydia smith
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
It's Jack Black.
tim pool
So this is Spencer.
Spencer Rangel says, Tim, the white in the flag does not represent whites.
The combination of blue, pink, and white is representing the trans flag.
Yes, but it's not the trans flag.
So there's a white stripe on the LGBT flag.
The pink and the blue, I understand, but the black and brown, there's no like black and brown flag.
You know what I mean?
That's kind of weird, though.
The black flag is the anarchist flag.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fitzgerald
They got their fist one, right?
tim pool
What is black and orange?
Is that just like an anarcho-centrist?
sean fitzgerald
What's Black Hammer's flag look like?
unidentified
I don't know.
sean fitzgerald
That organization, have you ever heard of it?
lydia smith
No idea.
sean fitzgerald
It's Gazi Kodo's organization.
lydia smith
Jeez.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Caliber Neutral says, I've looked on the old site, but will Ian's nude model calendar where he makes graphene sex again be on the new site?
ian crossland
Yeah, we actually shot some footage today, Andreas and I. Was it nude?
tim pool
Finished up the year.
ian crossland
Was it nude?
No, the calendar will be on my website if I end up going nude.
I was thinking about doing nude yoga.
Maybe we could put that on TimCast.com.
Nude hot yoga.
TimCast.com.
lydia smith
This company is going.
Thank you, Ian.
tim pool
BlackRockBeacon says Biden is more like Nero trying to cross the Rubicon.
ian crossland
Nero was a kid that was like inbred or something, right?
Emperor Nero.
And he went psychotic and like had all this hate and rage, but he was an emperor.
So at age 12, he would like have all these orgies.
He had these huge boats built that he would, uh...
No, I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of, uh, what's the sex kid?
The Roman sex emperor.
I'm thinking of Caligula.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Nero was the one who played the fiddle while Rome burned.
They think that maybe he actually lit Rome on fire.
lydia smith
Cool.
ian crossland
And like false flagged it.
tim pool
Relentless Hemi says, just subscribe to TimCast.com.
You're legit, Relentless.
Thank you so much.
lydia smith
Welcome.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Oh no, is that the radicalization that Biden's been talking about?
Yeah, I guess so.
It's funny because like, I could actually, you know, have a good conversation about left libertarian policies.
The problem, the reason why I would rather have Ron Paul As like a more right Libertarian is because under a right Libertarian system, you're allowed to have your left Libertarian system.
And so I'm kind of like, you know, leave me alone and let me do my thing.
And if me and my, you know, homies can have a farm where we like grow our own food and I'll share it and everything and do our little left Libertarian hippie stuff, I'm alright.
I'm cool.
So, you know, that's what I'm all about.
The problem is when they try to scale it up, the only way to scale up left libertarianism is to become authoritarian.
There's literally no big scale left libertarianism.
sean fitzgerald
Or if you become Christian.
Have you ever, have you seen the studies of the communes that the Christian ones outlast way more than the Marxist ones?
They ask for like a collective sacrifice and there's a religious basis for it.
Marxist communes are like the one that Bernie Sanders was in where they're like, dude, you're not working.
Get out.
lydia smith
They kicked him out for not working.
sean fitzgerald
They kicked him out for being too lazy to be in the comedy room.
lydia smith
I love that story.
It's my favorite story.
sean fitzgerald
It's amazing.
tim pool
All right, Travis Condict says, first ever Super Chat.
I just want to invite everyone to come together and have a good time every Saturday for the Million Doge Disco Decentralized Dance Party.
100% about fun and love.
Excellent.
Bliss says, hey Tim, two things.
One, could you point me to where I could apply for a job on your site?
20-year-old mill worker, but I really don't fear repercussions from the left.
Two, you ever try Pop Corners?
What is that?
I don't know.
Jobs at TimCast.com.
And man, I think probably by next year we might have like 50 to even 100 employees.
Yeah, we already need like more space.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But we are growing really, really quickly.
The news that's going to launch and then it's going to go real fast and it's going to slow down a bit because it's a big investment.
So that basically means like the people we're hiring, there's no guarantee it actually becomes sustainable.
But some things are worth doing regardless of whether or not they have direct monetary returns, like basically the vlog, for instance, we do.
Definitely not profitable right now, but it could be.
More importantly, it's excellent marketing value for the company and it's excellent culture building.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So there's real value to that.
sean fitzgerald
I'm sure you got like a legal team, but you need to look into where that employee cutoff is in this state.
Oh yeah, I know.
51 employees is usually what it is.
tim pool
This is the thing people need to realize about why companies eventually take on that $20 million.
Because Cenk probably hit a point where he crossed the threshold and then immediately got slammed by massive regulation.
And then in order to become compliant, didn't have the money to do it because you crossed that threshold and all of a sudden your business is now in a different territory.
sean fitzgerald
Going from 51 to 52 employees is like going from 25 to 51.
That's how much more expensive when all those regulations kick in.
tim pool
Yep.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch of really crazy regulations that happen once you cross.
In most places, I think it's 50 employees.
Once you get to 50, all of a sudden, everything lights up.
And then... Man.
That's the biggest bummer.
So I'm wondering if what makes more sense is to actually...
somewhat compartmentalize and keep companies focused.
Like if we're going to do something like we're developing a video game,
that should probably be spun off into its own company, because there's no point in
cluttering up a system with something that's more peripheral to what everyone
else is doing.
But, you know.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
sean fitzgerald
Good luck on your expansion.
ian crossland
Also, I would say we should utilize contractors.
I don't know what you feel ethically about that.
tim pool
Yeah, of course we do.
ian crossland
They're not considered employees though, right?
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
So you could have a million of them?
tim pool
No, no, no.
I mean, there's limits, but the idea is a contractor would be someone who submits an article and then we're like, hey, it's cool.
We'll bite off you.
You know.
You can't have permalancers, where you contract someone and have them work every day, basically.
ian crossland
Can you not?
tim pool
You cannot.
sean fitzgerald
YouTube, that's what we are on.
According to YouTube, we're freelancers.
tim pool
No, they say they're royalty payments.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
Probably, that's the reason.
Joshua Vote says, Hello from NJ.
Instead of Balkanization, how would y'all feel about a mass cleansing of federal government?
By that I mean anyone who has been in for more than 15 years in politics are gone.
Also, how do y'all feel about term limits for all politicians?
I'm not.
I don't know enough about term limits.
We've had really good arguments on the show about why they're good and why they're bad.
ian crossland
I think they're great.
tim pool
And people say, if somebody wants to vote for someone, let them vote for them.
And it doesn't matter if they're a career politician or not, they're going to be supported by the machine all the same.
So they'll just find more people.
So I don't know.
sean fitzgerald
How about this theory that I heard today, actually?
Should we pay politicians in the House and the Senate $10 million a year?
tim pool
Andrew Yang was talking about that.
He said that if they're paid a ton of money, then they're going to be very loyal to that system that makes them rich and not to.
But that still makes no sense.
So the answer is no.
sean fitzgerald
Well, it's it's actually because they manage trillions of dollars of money and they're making less money that they can make on any like reasonably high Wall Street job.
So should we pay them enough to attract people who are talented from those fields to run for office?
tim pool
I would create a bonus structure.
ian crossland
Yeah, if they can reduce the deficit, they'll get a percentage as their salary for the year.
Otherwise, their salary is $1.
tim pool
If the economy improves, they get the raise based on it.
I like the idea of politicians getting paid what the middle class median is.
Then their incentive is to make sure the middle class median is very, very high.
lydia smith
There you go.
sean fitzgerald
That'll work.
But we don't want Congress controlling what the median income is.
We don't want them setting wages.
tim pool
Sean B says, Tim, it's not lime.
It's a liquid silicate product.
Literally liquid glass.
Been used for many years as a concrete sealant.
Oh, interesting.
There you go.
JM says, you should try to get Patrick Moore on.
He helped founded Greenpeace and he's pretty cool.
We have reached out to him in the past.
I think COVID really jammed everything up, but we'll definitely reach out to him.
He is really awesome.
I'm a fan.
He's very pro nuclear energy and has been.
And he, I looked into him after I worked at Greenpeace and I was wondering why they weren't looking into nuclear and why they opposed it so much.
And then I read about the history and I was like, Oh, look at that.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see.
We had a YouTube did the famous super chat jump.
lydia smith
Super jump.
tim pool
So, uh, all right.
Frankie Sherat says, Tim, how can our company sponsor you?
There should be an email listed in the about section of this YouTube channel, I guess, because we have a, we have a manager who does the ads for us.
Um, should be there, I guess.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see where we're at.
John Hemelman says, I'm from a small town in Minnesota.
The people here are mostly too Minnesota nice to express or even hold strong political opinions.
Not watching the news is considered a virtue.
It's very frustrating.
Also, Reagan's 1984 opponent was from Minnesota.
Ah, so that's why Mondale won Minnesota.
sean fitzgerald
And I believe it was one point Reagan lost by.
lydia smith
Wow.
tim pool
Crazy.
And then what was the other 49 state landslide?
That was, um... Nixon 2, maybe?
Was it Nixon 2?
sean fitzgerald
Which is weird because that's the one where he broke into the thing.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
Oh wow.
lydia smith
That thing.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
We'll just get a couple more Super Chats here.
ian crossland
I love you guys, by the way.
Super Chats.
tim pool
Mayor Mercules says, I just sent you an email to info at TimCast.com about the musical composer audio engineer job.
Let me know if you would like samples of my work.
Please send samples to jobs at TimCast.com.
And absolutely.
So we would really just, I knew one guy who would literally sit around all day and just make electronic music of like different kind of genres, but just on his computer.
And he had like thousands of them.
I'm like, that's what we need.
Cause we need to be able to be like, hey, can you make a song like this?
Like we need it for the show.
We need it for this show.
We need it for that show.
Uh, or we want to actually make the music and make, release it as a song or something like that.
Make some music.
Plus I got a million and one songs that need to be recorded and produced and released as well.
So we want an in-house music producer.
ian crossland
We also have a pretty sweet drum kit, but what we don't have is a drummer.
So hope you play the drums.
Bring the noise.
tim pool
You know, I think people can play drums.
ian crossland
Actually, Tim's a drummer.
tim pool
Yeah, I've been playing drums since I was like seven.
I want a medal.
I want a gold medal.
Get a drum off.
sean fitzgerald
Did J.K.
Simmons yell at you while you were learning to play?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Nope.
tim pool
But the best part was I got to leave class to go to drumming practice.
lydia smith
That's beautiful.
tim pool
So I'd be sitting to look at the clock and I was in like fourth grade.
And then it would like hit, it was like some obscure number like 10, 10 a.m.
So like everyone's in class and all of a sudden I'm just like, I get up and I walk over and I grab my snare drum and I just leave.
unidentified
I'm down, man.
tim pool
Let's do it.
It's still hot.
says you guys need to canoe the Shenandoah steps at Harper's Ferry and go tubing on the Shenandoah some weekend.
Andreas bought a bunch of these giant rubber duckies.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
To go.
ian crossland
I'm down.
Man, let's do it.
tim pool
Rubber ducky tubes.
ian crossland
It's still hot.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Could be good vlog content.
tim pool
Oh, I will say though, as an aside, you mentioned the heat, Ian.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, uh, this morning when I was going to get eggs for my breakfast, I noticed something.
ian crossland
Do tell.
tim pool
One of the eggs was fertilized.
ian crossland
Oh, that chicken.
The rooster been busy.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Robbie Bobby.
tim pool
And now it's it's at 90 degrees.
It's 94 degrees outside for the next like a couple of weeks.
We're going to let him have some babies.
ian crossland
He getting busy.
tim pool
He is.
ian crossland
So what do you do?
You crack it open.
tim pool
And there was like there's something called like a germination disc or something.
ian crossland
You can see it.
tim pool
So I'm just going to leave.
I'm going to leave those eggs.
lydia smith
How do you know which ones are?
tim pool
Because we have two chickens that are laying and I cracked them both open and I saw the one that was fertilized.
So we'll just let the babies happen.
sean fitzgerald
Does that make you an uncle or a grandfather?
How does that work in the chain of command?
lydia smith
Godfather.
tim pool
When you own a creature and it has kids, what do you call it?
I don't know.
I have dominion over them.
unidentified
Yeah, you do.
sean fitzgerald
Pick your title.
Go with God King of North Korea.
lydia smith
Yeah, I like that.
tim pool
That's good.
So what's the black and white one?
The Bard Rock?
lydia smith
Yeah, Plymouth Bard Rock.
tim pool
Plymouth Bard Rock and Rhode Island Red are gonna have babies and they're gonna look funky.
ian crossland
I'm so happy for him.
tim pool
Living the dream, man.
Living the dream.
And we're gonna give them a big Chicken City that's being built out in the next couple of weeks.
So a lot of people are like, where's Chicken City?
We're trying to do the website.
We're focusing everything on getting this website done as fast as possible and then we're gonna have the Chicken City channel.
ian crossland
I spent some time with Chickens today.
Got a little vlog content.
I don't know if it'll be on the vlog, but I don't know if it'll work out.
tim pool
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sean fitzgerald
Oh, you know, follow me on YouTube, actualjusticewarrior, on Twitter at IamSean90, spelled the traditional Irish way, and that's about it.
Don't follow me anywhere else.
ian crossland
You can also hit me up at iancrossland.net and at iancrossland on social media.
I wanted to shout out Eric Finman's Freedom phone.
You guys see this new phone?
tim pool
He was here.
ian crossland
He was here.
We met him.
He came with Alan Bakari one night and showed us this new phone he's been working on.
I mean, he was the youngest Bitcoin millionaire.
lydia smith
That's right.
ian crossland
And now he's he's paying it forward and he's built this awesome new phone.
I'm really excited to.
Yeah.
So to find out more about that, I tweeted it out a little while ago.
lydia smith
Awesome.
I'm glad Ian brought that up because I had a conversation with Eric the other day.
I'm very excited for where he's going with that little Freedom Phone thing.
Facing all this censorship seemed like a great time to get into some freedom stuff.
You guys are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I attempt to gain more followers since Sour Patch Kids.
Very important to me.
Please do so.
tim pool
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