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Story of Daniel Penny - November 27th, Hour 3
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Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show.
I am Rose.
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You know, we invited Fox News legal analyst and best selling author, Greg Jarrett, to come on today because we wanted to talk about all the meltdown and all of the law affair that's been waged against President Trump and some of the cases and trials that we're seeing right now that have become uh really headline news.
So welcome to the show, Greg.
I hope you're doing well.
I am.
Thank you, Rose.
Thanks for having me on.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your listeners.
Thank you.
The same to you, Greg.
Let's start with the killing of Lake and Riley and the trial.
Um back in February this year, uh, Lakin Riley, a 22-year-old uh Augusta University nursing student was murdered.
She was out jogging at the university, and her death, they say was caused by blunt forced trauma and asphyxiation.
Now, she they all talked about her being a caring daughter, a good friend, and a devout Christian, and you hate to see anything like this happen to anyone, and she just seemed like the sweetest little thing, and yet she's now gone forever.
And and that's because of a gang member whose name is Jose Gabara, and he's got they've got they had physical evidence, digital and video evidence to tie him to her death.
You know, and the judge did convict him.
So we can say thank God for that.
But I had a question for you.
This wasn't a jury trial.
He waived his right to that.
Why would someone do that?
I've always been curious about that.
Well, I I think he knew his lawyers certainly knew that a jury um uh uh would you know convict him in a nanosecond.
They thought maybe we can snooker the judge.
Um it didn't work.
Um but you know, uh this tragedy is the inevitable consequence of uh Joe Biden's immigration open door policies, inviting everybody in.
Twelve million illegal migrants have flowed into the country, and many of many of them are just like Vara, who who, you know, is a career criminal, a violent uh person, and you know thousands of people in America, America's citizens, have been victimized by these criminals who are here illegally.
And in the case of Lincoln Riley, you know, Joe Biden has blood on his hands.
He did that.
He made that happen.
And he'll never recognize it.
And neither will any of the mayors and governors who advocate their sanctuary city status.
You know, there are more than three hundred cities and counties that have these sanctuary policies.
Now, for some it's simply a progressive political statement.
They've taken no real action to give sanctuary to people who are here illegally.
Other cities, like San Francisco, actively protect illegal immigrants, and they refuse to turn people over who committed crimes to federal agents for deportation.
When ICE asks for a hold on a prisoner, the city ignores it.
Uh and they often walk free.
And you know, it's about time that we start enforcing the law.
There are two laws here that can be used against sanctuary cities and states.
One of them uh is the illegal immigration reform act of nineteen ninety-six.
It requires states and municipalities to cooperate with federal authorities.
If they don't, they lose all federal funding.
And if that doesn't work, let's start arresting the mayors and the governors who are concealing, harboring or shielding from detection these illegal immigrants.
And I I'm reading directly from a federal felony law, eight USC 1324.
And if you harbor or shield, as these sanctuary cities and states do, people here illegally, you can spend up to five years behind bars.
And if somebody dies like a Lake and Riley, it's life behind bars.
And you know, these mayors and governors, particularly, I was noticing the the governor of Illinois, the mayor of Denver, they say they have vowed to actively stop uh the Trump administration from arresting people who are here illegally.
If they do that, that's also obstruction of justice.
They think, you know, they're somehow insulated and protected by their uh elective status.
They are not.
Uh George Wallace was nearly arrested in 1963 when he obstructed uh federal law, and he backed down at the last moment.
So governors and mayors can be arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned.
Do you suspect that we'll see some of that coming up?
I do.
I do too.
I wrote several columns about this back in 2016 and 17, urging President Trump to do just what I've described.
He didn't do it.
I wish he had, but I think he has come to realize with all of the cases, just like Lake and Riley, that we now need to aggressively enforce the law and go after the sanctuary cities and states and the elected officials.
You know, uh before I move on to, because I want to talk about Daniel uh Penny, and there's just a lot of us have been glued to the TV, and we've been listening to find out what's going to happen because these are these shocked us to our core for different reasons, but they did.
And before I do move on, there was something I wanted to ask you because at one point uh the defense team argued that, hey, the DNA evidence, they they could be his brother, Diego.
It might not be him, and it it seems like um a lot of undermining of the lab results and finding experts who are going to raise doubts about those results.
I mean, I thought at one point that when you have that DNA and all of the evidence that they had, how can I is this a new trend, or has this been always going on?
I mean, you're literally saying it could have been his brother.
Yeah, well, you know, uh the use of DNA by a defense team has came into vogue in the aftermath of the O.J. Simpson team.
Yeah.
And the success that they had in snookering the jury, which had already, you know, sort of preordained the outcome uh the moment they were selected.
But um you know, you can identify with specificity that it was uh Ivara and not his brother Diego, and there was also other corroborating evidence, um, you know, bloody clothes and and so forth.
So uh, you know, that was the longest of long shots for the defense.
Yeah, I'll say.
Well, it was a speedy trial, four days, strong evidence, so I mean we justice was served here.
Now let's move on to Daniel Penny, because we know that this homeless schizophrenic man was on the F train.
This was back in 2023, May, I think, and he was looking for food, he said, and he was telling everybody that he's ready to die, not afraid to kill somebody, and the other riders were really afraid, and who wouldn't be, right, on the on the train.
But um one of the passengers on that train that day was Daniel Penny, and we know now that he was a he's a former Marine, and he put Neely in a in a chokehold, I guess they call it, and it lasted six minutes, and then Neely was then rushed to the hospital, later declared dead.
So now we've got Daniel Penny on trial for protecting passengers from this crazy person on the subway.
And they're expecting, I think, closing arguments on Monday on this trial.
Well, what do you what are you thinking as you're watching all of this unfold?
I expect not guilty verdicts to the two charges against him.
They're not murder charges, they're manslaughter, uh, both negligence and reckless conduct.
Um but the law and the facts are on Daniel Penny's side, and I think the defense has really done a stellar job here.
The evidence is overwhelming that Jordan Neely threatened to kill passengers, and he made overt, menacing acts, um, such that everybody on the subway car, many of whom testified, believe they were gonna die.
Yeah.
And the law says, Rose, that Daniel Penny was entitled to intervene to protect them.
Uh The law allows him to use lethal or deadly force because lives were in his mind and the mind of the passengers in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death.
So it's a you know, it's a defense, self-defense case, defense of another, in this case, defense of many others.
Subduing the deadly threat the way he did was not unreasonable.
It was justified.
So you know, Neely is to blame for his own demise.
And the forensic pathologist hi hired by the defense absolutely demolished the prosecutor's cause of death theory and made the medical examiner who said he died of a chokehold look utterly incompetent.
You know, drugs in a psychotic episode ended Neely's life according to the defense expert, and in the end, there was really no need for Daniel Penny to take the witness stand because he'd already testified through his videotaped interview with police.
That's right.
He went to the precinct after right after it happened.
I mean, should this have ever really gone to trial, though, Greg?
I mean, how how is he a defendant?
And it seems like, you know, you see this prosecution of somebody like Daniel Penny, and it's so disturbing when you consider that there's been so much leniency toward actual criminals, you know, uh of recent times in the last couple of years, that I I am shocked that it went to trial.
Should I be shocked?
Um it would be shocking to any intelligent, honest, objective, neutral uh person, but you have to remember that the district attorney in Manhattan is Alvin Bragg.
Yeah.
So common sense and fairness in justice have nothing to do with it.
You know, Bragg is more than happy to protect career criminals who victimize innocent civilians because he's a George Soros funded progressive DA.
Although I know recently somebody in his office was victimized, and all of a sudden they're taking it seriously and saying oh, no bail, no bail for this one.
Now, this case should never have been brought against uh Daniel Penny.
It was justified, and the evidence uh from the outset demonstrated that it was this was a prosecution, I think uh, you know, handed down by the district attorney um because there were racial elements to it.
Right.
Oh yeah.
Daniel uh Penny is white, and I think that had everything to do with it.
I mean, I I hate when I see something like this happen.
I my heart went out to Penny, and and you also think, too, you can't help but think, but seeing someone be prosecuted for this really kind of puts a damper on anyone else who might want to rescue someone else who is in harm's way.
That's a great point, Rose.
You know, how how many people from now on when they see individuals uh being attacked um uh not just in the subway system, which is a death trap in in my judgment in New York City, but out on the streets.
You know, they will think twice about uh, you know, defending others who are being uh beaten or robbed or victimized in other ways, you know, the stabbings, the shootings, we you know, murders in New York City are uh reaching, you know, approximately three hundred.
Um, and you know, crime is out of control.
But, you know, i i it's almost as if you know the district attorney's office is telling people, hey, you're on your own, we're not gonna protect you.
Yes.
If you do protect yourselves, we'll come after you with a vengeance.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I just it's so disturbing on so many levels.
Real quick, we only have like two and a half minutes, but let's talk about um our special counsel, U.S. special counsel Jack Smith.
He requested to drop the federal election interference case against Trump.
Um and what you said about this, Greg, is that Americans had final say on Jack Smith mis got begotten Trump persecutions.
Can you go through that a little bit?
Because I think you're absolutely right.
The people spoke.
Yeah, the the people did speak, and it's well established.
A sitting president cannot uh face prosecution.
I'm talking about the Jack Smith case.
So, you know, the moment that Trump won, the special counsel's cases were over.
They were ended.
And look, Smith feared that would happen.
I was gonna ask you that.
Yep.
You know, he unscrupulously tried to rush the prosecutions before the election, and when he failed at that, then he attempted to harm Trump's chances at the ballot box by releasing uh to the public damaging documents right before the election.
They were one sided, they were exaggerated.
That violated DOJ rules.
Smith didn't care.
He ignored those rules with impunity.
He was out to interfere in the election, and the American people um had had enough of this corrupt, crooked lawfare that was used against rendered their own verdict on November fifth.
You are so right.
Greg Jarrett, it's always a pleasure to talk to you.
I I I haven't talked to you for a while, so this was great having you on with us today.
Thank you so much for joining us on the Sean Hannity Show.
I appreciate it.
My pleasure.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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That was considered, as he said, by many as lawfair, and it's always wrong and it's always politically motivated.
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Linda was taking care of business yesterday.
She asked a question how are you gonna do with your liberal friends and family this Thanksgiving, had everybody respond to her on X at Linda with a Y, M I C K at Linda Mick.
Linda, there you were reading some of these to me earlier.
They were hilarious.
I tell you what, the audience is hysterical.
This is probably my favorite one of the day.
And this is from the snark at the Snork 66.
We're starting a new tradition where we go around the table and say why we're thankful for Trump.
The only rule is you cannot say anything negative or you have to drink all caps.
The drunkest one has to clean up.
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Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show.
My name is Rose sitting in for Sean, and we have with us today our new Border C are.
Tom Homan, welcome to the show, and thank you for coming on with us today, and congratulations on the new position.
I think we all knew this was coming, though, didn't we?
Well, I made no secret of it, but I appreciate the invite to the show.
Absolutely.
Listen, I know that um you were in Eagle Pass yesterday and in Texas and you're on the border.
Tell us what you saw there.
What what did you feel when you were there?
Because I know you were so very passionate about this subject, and that's why we're glad you're there.
By the way, my friends think you should be called the border boss.
It does have a nice little ring to it, doesn't it?
Yeah, I mean I mean I'll steal that one.
I'm gonna start using it.
Good, do it.
Yesterday was a fantastic day because I I've made about eight trips to the border this past year, and then I went to the border, DPS, National Guard.
The morale is a uh non existent because you know every time they try to secure the border, our administration will sue.
Uh, every time they're trying to do their job, you know, they were told not to.
Uh the the National Guard and and troopers are doing a great job, but you know, they're doing the work the private government should be doing.
But yes, I went down there.
It was like uh it was like one eighty.
It was like everybody's morale.
I've never seen morale that high in my life.
They're excited, they're passionate, they're they're they're grateful that helps coming.
Uh they're happy Trump's coming back, they're happy w look, we're not waiting until January 20th.
I'm already working with Texas uh governor, that's what we said yesterday when we spoke to him.
We're already planning how we can uh continue to help Texas uh finish the job they started, which is extraordinary what they've done, and we're gonna give them some relief.
So maybe some of those National Guards guys can go home and see their families because we're gonna shut this border down and and we're gonna need less resources once we shut it down, then maybe some of these guys get a break.
So uh it was a happiest event I've been at in a long time.
Oh, I'm so happy to hear you say that, and I know that you uh were hoping that you had this opportunity, this last opportunity to get in there and get things done.
And one of the things that I really appreciate about you, Tom, is that you are so not only committed to the border, but to the children.
You have such a heart.
I have seen you break down when you've talked about the young children that have been used and abused coming across that border.
We all saw and were heartbreaking when we watched the video of the two year old girl at the US Mexican border in Texas, and the image of her just by herself holding a little piece of paper with a phone number on it.
Tom, I know that breaks your heart, and I know that you are intent on stopping this.
It's a humanitarian issue more than anything else.
It's a morality issue.
It's uh it's an honor of electron death.
These kids don't deserve that.
You know, the uh when I when I rescued in 19 days, and he's in back of tractor trailer, the five year old little boy that beat to death, the first one to die.
I mean, he didn't first of all, no child deserves die like especially like that for God's sake.
So yeah, I I've seen a lot of tragedy on the border.
You know, I've I've I felt dying children, I felt dead children.
I've I've talked to little girls as young as nine that were raped multiple times by some you know sick animal cartel member.
And uh and uh once you see the death in Mayhem when you watch Border, it's given CPR to a pain set, they had the cartel threw in the river, so the border wouldn't chase them.
If they kill a baby in the river, they're on the board of children stopped chasing them to try to rescue the child.
And that's why that's why I'm so passionate.
That's why I'm so emotional when I'm on you know, Fox TV or I'm on a testifying front of uh uh uh uh uh Congress, because this stuff this can be this stuff can be addressed.
President Trump did it when President Trump had illegal migration down ninety percent, when ninety percent less people are coming, how many children weren't being uh are killed or or drowned in the river or died in the desert?
How many women weren't being raped?
How many pounds of fatnog didn't come in the country to kill to kill uh young Americans?
You know, how many known inspective terrorists they make it into the country?
How many how many angel moms and angel dads did we not get new that year because the children weren't being killed by illegal aliens?
You know, and and that's another tragedy.
I've talked to hundreds of angel moms and angel dads who buried their children because your pre the children were raped or murdered by members of the cartel or members of or illegal aliens that were in this country in violation of law.
I've had it.
I've had it.
And when this administration came into power, we had a record number, record number of deaths on the border were four thousand, a record number of Americans that died from fentanyl over a quarter million, a six hundred percent increase in sex trafficking.
This administration is heartless.
An open border is heartless.
So I'm glad we're gonna go in and secure the border and save lives.
It's all about saving lives.
Heartless indeed.
And you know, when you think about this administration also in terms of the hostile acts against Governor Abbott, Against the Texas border, against the people who live in that state and other states that are affected by these kind of things happening.
That relationship was so adversarial.
It was so it was horrible, frankly.
And now I am glad to hear that once you've been down there and you've seen the people in the morale now is just so much higher than it's ever been.
Well yeah, we mean Governor Abbott, you know, we've been friends for a long time and we're both excited at his partnership, and uh he's been very successful.
And he you're right, he's like President Trump.
He's taken concept at tax lawsuits, and uh he came out on top just like President Trump did.
So Gabriel, the great American, he's a patriot.
Well I what I told the troops yesterday, the National Guard and Troopers was look, you just don't be spending Texas.
You just not making Texas more safe.
Most of the illegal aliens coming across this border don't stay in Texas.
And and the fentanyl goes to every town, city, and state of this nation.
That's right.
Every ounce of fentanyl you seize, you're saving lives.
For every for every person you rest for uh trespass, uh ill airline across the board and you're wrestling for trespass, that's one less gotta wait.
So we reach your fingerprint and you're resting, we know who he is.
I said, You guys are you you men and women just aren't saving Texas and protecting Texas, you're protecting the entire nation.
And this country thinks you and honors you for that.
So remarkable men and women who are standing in that front line every day for us.
While you and I are sweeping at 3 a.m. this morning, they're on the border and they're on the line and and they're protecting us.
Yeah, you know, I mean the Biden administration, they did not take this situation seriously.
You do, and we're so glad that they're you're there.
Even with women and children the most vulnerable.
We are talking to Tom Homan, the border boss.
We are so excited to have you.
Now I want to ask you a question.
I heard that Texas was giving a plot of land um over to set up camps to set up mass deportations.
Is there any truth to that?
Yes, there is, and uh we're trying to decide now the best use of that land.
Uh so I'm in the middle of writing the plans, so there's some options there, but I've decided yep.
Could be a stage of guarantee for removals, could be a stairs are for uh detention.
Not sure yet.
We're we're uh uh just that just that news came to us a couple of days ago, so I'm I'm working on options right now for that land.
You know, I thought it was interesting we saw fifty-seven percent of Americans want to deport illegal immigrants.
I I think that uh you know, when we've seen what's happened, uh what's with criminals that are coming across, the gang members that are here, those are the ones that we're all hoping are gonna be the first ones to be looked at, identified, and moved out.
Well, President Trump's made that clear.
I made it clear that right out of the gate, we're gonna concentrate on public safety threats, national security threats and fugitives.
Uh public safety threats, we gotta we gotta find them because they pose the biggest threat to their communities along the uh with the national security threats.
Then we're gonna look at the fugitives.
These are, you know, we got our main uh illegal aliens who had due process at great taxpayers' but it's they entered the country was in the crime.
We gave them access to a judge in the court, they made their case by law.
A federal judges ordered them removed.
We have to remove them.
If we don't, then what the hell are we doing?
It's just shut down the immigration court if those orders don't mean anything and take the border patrol off the border because there's no consequences anymore.
So you can ask for due process.
You can demand the right to make asylum claim, you could demand the right to to see a judge.
Okay, you we're okay with that.
We're at the end of due process, if you're ordering moved, that's exactly what's going to happen.
Or that due process doesn't mean anything.
You know, if speaking of deportation, too, didn't Trump in his first term get El Salvador to take back some of the M MS thirteen, and he got Mexico to agree to remain in Mexico program.
And now I guess Venezuela, we have to somehow work with them to have the same kind of a response.
Well, President Trump's badass president.
Yeah, he is, and you're a badass border boss, so this is gonna work really well, I think, together.
We finna finish our person in Autador up Long Island.
We rested just short of five hundred gang members, most of MS 13.
I don't know.
I remember on the way home from that press conference.
I I explained to the president the difficulty we had in El Salvador accepting uh MS 13 members.
And the president said he'd take care of it within 48 hours we were setting planes of MS 13 members back to El Salvador.
And you're right, he didn't Mexico didn't want to do the remaining Mexico program, but they did it after after Trump holding held them accountable.
They didn't want to put military on the southern northern border, but they did it.
And uh by doing so, uh it s saved us a lot of a lot of money.
Save us processing money, save this transportation cost, saved us court costs, save us detention costs, attorneys costs.
So you go President Trump, right when it comes to Ventura, I've already had that discussion with him that, you know, we won't target internal the the huge public safety threat in this country, but we gotta be able to remove them.
Venezuela right now is not accepting our people.
I guarantee you when Trump is in that Oval Office, it'll be a matter of days it'll take them.
Yeah, and you talked about Tom, how this affects every state, not just the border states.
And one of the ways it's affecting everyone and they say that there's at least sixteen states in the country that have seen an increase in the Venezuelan gang territories.
So and even the Internal Department of Intelligence, they had a memo that went out that was warning about the gang's growing presence in Washington DC, Virginia, Montana, Wyoming, and they've got a strong presence in other states as well.
I mean this is this is big.
This is a big deal and it's something that we should all be concerned about.
It is a big deal because no way Turnaragua is successful as it has been coming to the United States and taking all these cities without the cooperation and the coordination of the Venezuelan government.
Just like there's no way sixty five thousand Chinese males in military age were able to leave China come to the United States without the coordination and approval and the blessing of the Chinese government.
This is this is about you know nation's trying to uh attack Death Station from within and I truly truly believe that and uh again in the Biden administration what has he done?
What has he done in Venezuela?
Nothing.
What has he done to China who are creating the precursors that they sell to the criminal cartels in Mexico to make fentanyl to kill all the quarterman Americans nothing.
What has this administration done in Mexico to hold these cartels accountable and take some action on them.
Nothing.
President Trump's gonna change all that he's gonna hold China accountable.
He's gonna hold Venezuela accountable and I tell you what, you gonna hold uh Mexico uh accountable for the the cartels you know killing so many Americans the cartels in Mexico kill more Americans every terrorist organization in the world combined.
And if Mexico don't want to do something about it, I guarantee you President Trump will I think you're right about that.
One last thing I wanted to talk to you about and we've talked about this before you've told me that your family is to receive threats because of your uh position in the administration in the past now we read that there are twelve at least twelve that we know of either nominees or appointments that have been experiencing threats on their lives, on their families' lives, on their homes how do you deal with this?
How is it that you were so committed to this country to the border and the problems as a result of the border how is it that you were so strong that way I mean because we look at people like you and we're like, oh my God, I I some of us think we'd pack up and walk away after all of that.
And yet you don't you remain but yeah I was life structure in the first Trump administration I had numerous death threats and I had a security detail and even after retired death threats still came so I had U.S. Marshals protected 21 US Marshall sending per shift who protected uh myself my family and a home and I mean I couldn't go out to dinner my family or having a you know protective detail around this is just it's just it's just it's just ridiculous.
But I've got a lot of death threats, and I never take them real seriously.
But what's happened the last 24 hours with all these appointees, I'll take a little more serious down.
I just always feel like there's some purple-haired, bun-wearing, beta male living in their parents'basement.
But my family's not winning me right now until we get to the bottom.
I say, there's someplace else.
as far as the depth threats I've always had the attitude you want some come get some you know you you know it's come get some look in the eye and I t tell you what you're gonna do to me because most of our cowards that's why they use the mail and social media and the rest of the stuff.
But you know what since what's happened last twenty four hours something is appointed I won't take a little more serious and we'll see what happens but uh you're the man for the job.
You really are Tom Homan God bless you our prayers are with you.
Our new border boss Tom Homan if anyone can do this job it is you Tom and I'm so glad you had the opportunity to to get back in there and finish what you started.
Thank you and God bless you and protect you and your family.
Thanks for having me appreciate it.
Take care.
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