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	Before we get to former Speaker of the House, New Kingrich, two interesting things this weekend.
	One, Donald Trump shows up in New Jersey, I believe it was at the prudential for the UFC fight, and wow, the crowd went insane.
	Listen.
	Also with us tonight.
	45 being used in by UFC CEO Kate White, Donald Trump.
	He's in the building in the form of President getting a standing ovation from the assembled masses here at UFC 302.
	I mean, it was just the pandemonium when he walked in the building.
	Uh interesting comments, James Carville, old friend.
	Uh this is a golden opportunity to talk to voters while Trump is pinned down.
	Oh, they want lawfare.
	Oh, they want Trump locked into or locked in a courtroom and in a jail cell.
	Oh, perfect opportunity to give the playing field to just one candidate.
	Uh uh even James has to see the danger in this, but here's what he said.
	Well, I'm thinking again, what that that the president has a golden opportunity.
	He's almost got the whole playing feed to himself to talk about what he wants to do.
	And we're not doing very well with young voters because young voters are not particularly comfortable in this economy.
	You not see themselves as being able to buy a house or or educate their children.
	I I think the president should come out for a fifteen dollar increase in minimum wage immediately.
	I think he should say he's gonna raise taxes on people making over 400,000 and start a first-time home buyers relief fund.
	I think he's got to connect with people and understand that this economy is working for some people, but not working very well for others, and and make the people that it's working for pay a little bit more and try to help the people that's not working for.
	And I think he has an opportunity to do all of this because Trump is, shall we say, pinned down for the the foreseeable future.
	He's already trying to buy votes by circumventing a Supreme Court decision on student loan bailouts and and and free student loan payments, uh, and he's spending billions of dollars.
	So I guess the suggestion is, oh, well well, let's tell every let's walk away from our our one-year strategy of saying the economy's great when everybody knows otherwise.
	Anyway, here to break it all down, former Speaker of the House, New Gingrich, Mr. Speaker, great to have you.
	I contend that what happened last week is not gonna impact this election.
	Now I don't know what's gonna happen July eleventh, but uh you know, will they put him in jail?
	Will they put an ankle bracelet on him and confine make have him you know be confined to his home?
	Uh will they prevent him from campaigning, or will they, you know, you know, first time offender, you know, pending appeal, uh let him out on his own recognizance, considering he's not a flight risk with Secret Service around him 247.
	Well, first of all, you have no idea what Marchan may do, because the judge is not only clearly a left-wing democrat, uh not only uh, I think uh clearly tainted by his daughter making millions of dollars out of anti-Trump activities.
	But in addition, he's clearly a stunningly arrogant person, uh, who has no regard for the Constitution, no regard for the law, uh, who was willing to browbeat witnesses, and who uh I think could do virtually anything.
	Uh my prediction is that uh his current plan, which may or may not happen, is to uh have Trump come in three days before the Republican National Convention and give him a relatively short sentence beginning immediately uh to block Trump from even being able to go to the convention.
	Uh and that would be my give him if you start with the idea these are vicious, bad people trying desperately to hold on to power, and you say uh what would be the most biggest challenges they could pose for Trump, it seems to me uh making it impossible for him to go to Milwaukee and to be at his own convention might be about as much damage as Marchon can do.
	When you say relatively short sentence, can you define that?
	Because it's only a hundred and fifty four days till election day.
	Yeah, but he could give him look for the purpose of totally screwing everything up, you could give him a 10 day sentence.
	Ten days just happen to cover the entire convention.
	And you could say, look how reasonable I am.
	I mean here's a guy who's been convicted on 34 counts and I'm only giving him ten days.
	Now how can anybody appeal that I mean I I don't think we should underestimate how methodically wicked these people are and how desperate they are to uh destroy Trump.
	But but I also think we have the wrong focus.
	The people being hurt most by this totally fake and it's totally fake um tri uh conviction of Trump uh are the American people and the reason they're being hurt is they have a constitutional right to pick a president.
	They have a right to have candidates who have free speech this is all in the Constitution By the way, they also have a constitutional right to know what they're charged with.
	Right.
	Oh I I just wrote a piece where I outlined you know there are five five of the ten provisions in the Bill of Rights relate to judges because the founding fathers totally distrusted the British judges and saw them as an instrument of state power not as purveyors of justice.
	And so they devote half the Bill of Rights to limiting the power of judges and Marchon just methodically destroyed the Constitution.
	I mean this is not some game this is not something mild uh this is an extraordinary assault but in the process he not only violated Donald Trump's due rights he violated the right of every American to have a presidential candidate who was able to speak his piece because remember this this whole concept of a gag rule still holds so even if Trump could go to the convention what could he say without Mert Marchand calling him back and once again finding an excuse to try to put him in jail.
	And I think the country should understand one this is a fake absolutely fake conviction to that the that uh speaker Johnson was correct he's a constitutional lawyer he said the Supreme Court should step in now it has the power and the authority to intervene in a case like this and it should step in, take it away from Roshan and end the whole thing because it is clearly an assault on the right of every American to have an opportunity to pick the president.
	Let me ask you this because I think that this eventually will be overturned on appeal.
	The question is will it happen before the election and I think that if I was Trump's attorneys I would be pursuing every possible avenue of appeal every constitutional violation that so many legal scholars agree upon that took place in this trial um I'm not sure if that will happen.
	I think that that Professor Dershowitz is right once this Pandora's box is open that this will forever damage and change our legal system.
	I I hope in the end that he's wrong uh because that basically shreds our constitution and that is the heart of our republic but at the end of the day I mean this this is going to be what it's going to be how do you see the American people reacting to this you know when we start getting results in this election now I urge people to vote early,
	vote by mail I want all these election integrity measures in place, putting all that aside, which I say often I would say you know what what is the fallout?
	Because all I'm hearing from people, even people that didn't like Trump is they've had it.
	They See this for what it is, and it's backfiring and boomeranging like it always has.
	Yeah, look, I I think the left is so isolated that they're so busy just talking to themselves that they have no idea how much they have offended the American people.
	And you start getting people like like Peggy Noonan uh writing a piece, uh somebody who really is anti-Trump, but but has to admit that it's affecting her friends.
	Maureen Dowd had to write that for crying out loud.
	I mean I mean I don't think there's I'm meeting more people that are more resolved and motivated to vote because of what they see happening to the country, not just lawfare and the weaponization of justice.
	But then they look at our open borders and and you know, our top geopolitical foes are flooding into this country unvetted.
	It's the biggest national security risk we ever had.
	And they're looking at the disastrous economy that is, you know, uh now put 60% of our country living paycheck to paycheck.
	Many of those people, you know, putting bare necessities on credit cards.
	Uh then, you know, dismantle, defund, reimagine, no bail laws has turned into a disaster.
	Uh then you have Joe's cognitive issues, then you have war in Europe or in the Middle East at a president that doesn't know the day of the week.
	I think, you know, regardless of what to do in a Trump, they've got a problem.
	Well, they don't they do have a problem.
	I mean, look, we have a problem.
	I mean, we have a president of the United States commander in chief with a war going on in Ukraine, a war going on in Gaza with the uh the Iranians extraordinarily dangerous, with the Chinese communists practicing around the island of Taiwan.
	Uh I mean, this isn't a dangerous world.
	And to have a president who's clearly cognitively hopeless uh and and doesn't know what he's doing, I'm not sure knows where he is half the time.
	This is all really dangerous stuff.
	But in addition, as you pointed out, I mean the average American is feeling this in a very practical way.
	Um columnist wrote that their sister had always voted Democrat and came home and said, uh one, I don't think that Joe Biden can possibly function as president for four more years.
	Two, I just bought ten items at the grocery store and it cost me a hundred bucks.
	And three, I'm so angry about the way they have broken the law to get after Trump.
	She said, I'm never again voting for Biden.
	This is somebody who's a hardcore Democrat.
	So I I think all of these things are compounding, and I think we have to recognize that this isn't just politics in the normal, you know, uh sense.
	This is history.
	These are these are the kind of things that shape countries and that change realities uh in ways that that you may never recover from.
	Well, I think that this is a moment that I don't think we ever expected that we'd observe.
	What do you think the long-term consequences are?
	Well, I think it depends first of all on on who wins this fall.
	I think if Trump wins, you'll see a very dramatic shift back to a more normal America.
	Uh I hope that the president would would institute a policy of enforcing the Constitution and enforcing the rule of law.
	Uh at the same time, I think if Trump loses, uh, I think you are in for a desperately bad period because you have you have clear proof now.
	You have bad people doing bad things.
	This isn't about the judiciary in general or you know, this is about a specific of very specific people who are doing very bad things, and we have to recognize that four more years of Biden and his cronies and their their law breaking and their anti-constitutional behavior, uh, we might not even recognize the country uh that we once lived in.
	All right, quick break more with former Speaker of the House, Duke Gingrich, and your call's coming up 800-941 Sean as we continue this Monday.
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	Former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich is with us.
	You're the great historian professor.
	And I I just can't I I can't even emphasize how do you interpret, you know, there's a report out today in the Daily Mail that since this conviction last Thursday, 200 million dollars has been raised by the Trump campaign.
	I mean, it took Joe Biden an entire quarter to raise 195 million dollars.
	And you know, historically Democrats have unlimited amounts of cash.
	This sounds to me that the country has reacted very, very forcefully.
	I mean, this is a s a loud message that people don't want this to stand.
	I mean, I mean, this is uh to me, it's an inflection point for the country, and I I I've never seen it this bad or worried this much about the state of the country or the state of the world in my life.
	Well, I think that I think that's an accurate reflection of reality.
	Uh, you know, this is the worst president since Buchanan led us into a civil war.
	Uh he is doing things that so deeply violate the Constitution and so deeply undermine the rule of law that you have to uh really take seriously the threat to the very fabric of American society.
	Um they do it every day, and I think the reason you saw this spontaneous outpouring to Trump uh was people who were fed up and people remember if if they can go after a billionaire, former president of the United States, create an entirely phony uh charge, uh have a fake uh conviction, and potentially put him in jail.
	What can they do to the average person?
	And what can I do to you or to me?
	And I think that has scared people and has moved them towards much more active support for Donald Trump than there would have been if they hadn't been so unbelievably uh willing to do these things.
	Yeah, I I I just there's a part of me that's uh didn't think I could get shocked again in my life, but this was pretty shocking.
	I mean, from the very beginning and the bring bringing in this case in the first place, you know, learning in the process that exculpatory information will have held, a novel legal theory theory, uh, a defendant not even knowing what he's being charged with to the end of the case, you know, jury instructions that pretty much all but guaranteed a conviction, uh, a novel uh, you know, uh uh going against two Supreme Court decisions that specifically say unanimity is key.
	You can't have people believing in conviction for oh, four believe reason A, four believe reason B, four believe reason C. But uh, Mr. Speaker, we'll wait and see.
	A hundred and fifty-four days away.
	This this might we're we're watching history in the making for sure.
	That's that no one can contend with for sure.
	Uh, we appreciate you being with us.
	Thanks.
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	All right.
	Look, uh, so many of you have so many questions.
	Uh I want to get as many calls in as we can.
	Joseph San Antonio, the free state of Texas.
	Joseph, how are you?
	Happy Monday.
	Glad you called, sir.
	Good afternoon, sir.
	It's a pleasure and an honor to talk to you.
	The pleasure is all mine.
	Uh, although there's not really a happy Monday.
	Monday's like, ah, here we go again.
	Back into the crime, but I'm glad to be here.
	Well, I'm a teacher and off I'm off for the summer, so there's that.
	But I I I had a I had a question for you, Sean.
	Um, you know, I was hearing uh Professor uh Dershewitz this weekend talk about speeding up the appeals process, and everything hinges, I guess, correct me if I'm wrong on that uh 11th of the Jul July date.
	Um how fast do you think the conviction appeal is gonna take?
	Do you think they're gonna try to go before the eleventh of July date or I mean if if you had to guess, how do you think because I'm kind of confused?
	Well, they're trying.
	I mean, President Trump said so that the Supreme Court should take it up before the the 11th of July.
	I look, you know, Mark Levin said something, you know, forget about what we think they're gonna do or a court is gonna do.
	It doesn't matter.
	Get in there and fight hard.
	Uh there are so many reasons and basis uh for repeal and uh for an appeal in this case, and and frankly, uh under any s I don't see any scenario under which this case is not thrown out for the multitude of reasons we've discussed now for weeks, you know, starting with a conflicted judge, starting with you know, jury instruction, starting with what the defense was allowed to say in in closing arguments, you know, starting with the the latitude.
	You know, uh you just go back to the beginning of the process.
	I mean, we you know, we have Bob Costello saying you spent an hour and a half on the phone with Alvin Bragg's team explaining all the exculpatory information and evidence that existed, and that compelled him by law to present it to the grand jury, the indictment grand jury.
	That didn't happen.
	So on every one of these these issues, and I think they're all deep and profound, not the least of which is this bizarre novel legal theory, and not the least of which is well, you can all agree that he's guilty, uh, but you can agree on different reasons why he's guilty.
	I'm like, this is insane.
	It's just i you know, this is not the country that we thought it was.
	And so what I'm saying is I truly believe that they need to begin the process now.
	They need to fight everywhere possible, and and hopefully we can't they can get an expedited appeal.
	If they don't, it's too bad because I'm pretty certain it's gonna be overturned, like most legal scholars believe it's gonna be overturned.
	I got one more question, if that's okay, Sean.
	Yes, sir.
	So uh after the after the conviction uh last week, I you see a lot of polls saying that they you know he was losing support, President Trump was losing support, was gate was gaining support.
	As a someone who works full-time and doesn't have the time to go to like the specific specifics of every poll.
	Is there like Sean one or two polls you could like guide it to tell you to tell us okay?
	This is a credible poll that gives good numbers, it's not I know I'm sure everyone has its bias, but what would you say like one or two you could recommend to us to follow and look for?
	Because I'm I'm always confused with the polls.
	Look, I think you're asking a really good question here.
	I really do.
	Um it's too early to tell.
	Every indication is it is having no impact at all whatsoever on the election.
	You've got twenty-seven percent of Americans saying that they're more likely to vote for him, and like twenty-seven percent saying they're less likely to vote for him as a result of this this trial.
	So uh as of now, you know, I would say net, you know, even w my gut is a hundred and fifty-four days from now.
	Uh, I don't think anybody's gonna be thinking about this case.
	I really don't.
	I think they're gonna be looking at the economy, which has been a disaster.
	The immigration, a disaster.
	I think they're gonna be looking at law and order and and defund dismantled Nobel laws as a disaster.
	Joe Biden's cognitive condition is a disaster.
	I think they're gonna look at the state of the world a disaster.
	Peace and prosperity tend to run elections.
	You know, and I I just think that, you know, it's gonna be up to the American people.
	And for all of us that that see the injustice that this trial was, I'm asking all of you to channel all of your energy into what really matters, and that's this election.
	And all the things that we discuss all the time about embracing early voting, voting by mail, voter integrity, voter ID, voter, you know, signature verification, updated voter roles, um, you know, partisan observers.
	I mean, we've just got to, you know, take this seriously, and that and that's how you win.
	That's the ultimate verdict.
	So that's my advice.
	All right, buddy.
	I hope that answers your question.
	Uh Michael, free state of Florida, next, Sean Hannity Show.
	What's up, Michael?
	How are you, sir?
	Good.
	How are you, John?
	I'm good.
	What's going on?
	Wanted to get your opinion on something, what your thoughts would be.
	If Trump is found on his appeal, if it gets overturned on something like prosecutorial misconduct, judicial misconduct, uh, lack of due process, something like that.
	Do you think that some of these red states attorney generals should turn around and file charges for interference in this upcoming election?
	I think there needs to be ethics violations investigated, I think congressional investigations.
	Uh, I think the issue of Alvin Bragg, did he have exculpatory evidence?
	Was he by law compelled to present that to the indicting grand jury?
	I would start there.
	I think in Juan Mershawn, I think he should have recused himself.
	You start there.
	Uh, I think the whole issue of a local jurisdiction, you know, not even informing a a clear violation of one sixth amendment rights, uh, what the charges were is a clear as a clear, you know, uh avenue for overturning this this conviction.
	Uh, I just think this this there's so numerous that you've got to go after all of it.
	And you gotta go after it hard.
	And I think I think the president's team will do that.
	Thank you, Sean, for taking my call today.
	You bet, buddy.
	You have a great week, okay?
	Appreciate it.
	Uh, let us say hi to Clint, also in the free state of Texas.
	What's up, Clint?
	How are you?
	I am great, Sean.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Thank you.
	What's on your mind today?
	Well, I would like to suggest uh for President Trump's legal team that uh maybe it not it may not be necessary to actually have uh an appeal overturn uh this uh jury verdict.
	As as you know, um a jury verdict is not a conviction, the way that uh the ABC division of Pravda has been reporting.
	Uh a jury verdict is just that.
	A jury verdict is just a verdict.
	It's not a judgment until the judge issues the sentence and signs the judgment.
	What I'm calling about today is an idea that this uh conviction could probably or possibly be stopped before it ever happened.
	And the way the idea that I'm talking about happened in uh in the northern district of Texas, a federal court in Lubbock, uh I'm sorry, in Amarillo in 1993.
	Uh the court uh uh was faced with a civil recall lawsuit, and it was filed uh against a rogue prosecutor in the county of Lubbock that was going after uh actually weaponizing the criminal justice system uh against police officers and witnesses that didn't agree with the prosecutor by indicting if they didn't testify the way
	that he wanted him to testify.
	Two police officers were indicted in this case.
	One of them was named Pat Kelly, the other one was named Bill Hubbard.
	Uh Bill Hubbard actually wrote a book called Substantial Evidence.
	And the federal judge in this case uh was faced with a request for a preliminary injunction to stop further prosecutions of these two police officers and another another person that had been indicted, uh defense attorney by the name Of Millard Farmer.
	And the federal judge in Amarillo issued a preliminary injunction that stopped any further prosecutions on the ground that these prosecutions were brought in bad faith and for the purposes of retaliation against these police officers and this defense attorney for exercising their constitutional rights.
	So they, even though they had been indicted, uh, they were never convicted because this federal judge stopped it with an injunction.
	And at the time, there was an article uh in the local newspaper that said this was only the fifth time in United States history that a federal judge had used her power to issue an injunction to stop criminal prosecutions of this rogue district attorney.
	And it was stopped.
	Look, you're dealing with Texas versus New York, and it's it's night and day.
	The difference is night and day.
	So I can only tell you that everything that we've been discussing, and without repeating myself here, I think every avenue of appeal needs to be pursued.
	Every instance of improprieties need to be investigated.
	Uh I think the ethical issues, uh, the magnitude of which I've never seen in my life.
	I've never seen a kangaroo court like this.
	I can't believe this is our country.
	I'm hoping uh that in fact this can get done before the election.
	If it doesn't, the American people, I think, have pretty much been able to see through what this is.
	You know, the amazing thing is we've been doing a lot of men on the street interviews on Fox, and even New Yorkers are getting in liberal New York City.
	They're like, yeah, this is stupid.
	And and yeah, they're going after him only because it's Donald Trump.
	This is that this case never would have been brought against anybody else.
	And that's the frightening thing.
	And that's why we call it the weaponization of our justice system.
	And it's got to stop because it is a clear and present danger to the country.
	And I'll add this.
	You know, assuming Donald Trump can win this election, and he can.
	If he wins, I would not want Republicans to do that which was done to him, and to target people and and to use, you know, these tactics in this case is basically the only way they can win an election.
	Because otherwise, we're we're shredding our constitution in the process.
	It is lawfair, and this is the great danger of this.
	It's now worked for the left.
	And once that works once, then the other sides will, you know, saying, okay, well, the bar's been lowered, we'll do the same thing to you.
	And at that point, you know, equal justice application of our laws, things, you know, the civics that we learned growing up go out the door.
	And and those are fundamental to a constitutional republic.
	Anyway, I appreciate the call, my friend.
	Uh, glad you're out there.
	All right, quick break, right back.
	We'll get to more of your phone calls.
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	Larry in North Carolina next Sean Hannity Show.
	Hi.
	Hi, Sean.
	Uh, how are you?
	And thank you for taking my call.
	Thank you, sir.
	What's on your mind this Monday?
	Well, uh, I've got some issues with uh Judge McShawn's instruction to the juries.
	I've been on a handful of juries in my long life.
	Two of them actually in Orange County, New York.
	So I've got some firsthand experience as to what goes on there.
	And in every case, when the judge was giving the instructions to the jury members, he always included a statement to the effect of if you disbelieve any of a particular witness's testimony.
	You have the option of rejecting any or all of his other statements uh entered into uh testimony.
	And I couldn't find any transcripts of the judge's instructions where he actually uh gave the jury those instructions about the witness.
	And I was wondering is could that be a case of judicial uh error or maybe even judicial malfeasance if he did it deliberately to hide those options from the jury because he didn't want them to use those instructions.
	What do you think?
	I I again not only did we have a legal uh novel legal theory, not only did we have a violation of Sixth Amendment rights, nobody knew what the charges were until the end of the trial.
	Uh uh clear violation of the Constitution.
	Uh then we had a novel, you know, we had novel and and new jury instructions, which are a clear violation of not one but two Supreme Court decisions.
	And that is you can agree which, by the way, that there has to be unanimity.
	Both Supreme Court, Ramos, the Ramos, Louisiana decision 2020 is a great case in point.
	You have to agree on all points.
	The jury has to agree on all points, and they didn't.
	Uh necessarily, they should they never should have been given those instructions.
	Well, that would be cause right there to throw the whole case out.
	And and I can identify, you know, eight, ten reasons why this case should be thrown out, and I believe in the end will be for one of many.
	And I I think there ought to be, you know, some type of uh at a minimum reprimand for this judge for his clear violation of a Supreme Court decision.
	But you know, Joe Biden's not abiding by our immigration laws, and Joe Biden doesn't care about the Supreme Court decision as it relates to you know open borders.
	He's been aiding and abetting in that law breaking.
	So we'll wait, we'll see.
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