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Before we get to former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, two interesting things this weekend.
One, Donald Trump shows up in New Jersey.
I believe it was at the Prudential for the UFC fight.
And wow, the crowd went insane.
Listen.
Also with us tonight, 45.
Being ushered in by UFC CEO Jana White, Donald Trump is in the building in the former president getting a standing ovation from the assembled masses here at UFC 302.
I mean, it was just a pandemonium when he walked in the building.
Interesting comments, James Carville, old friend.
This is a golden opportunity to talk to voters while Trump is pinned down.
Oh, they want law fair.
Oh, they want Trump locked in a courtroom and in a jail cell.
Oh, perfect opportunity to give the playing field to just one candidate.
Even James has to see the danger in this, but here's what he said.
Well, I'm thinking again that the president has a golden opportunity.
He's almost got the whole plan field to himself to talk about what he wants to do.
And we're not doing very well with young voters because young voters are not particularly comfortable in this economy.
They do not see themselves as being able to buy a house or educate their children.
I think the president should come out for a $15 increase in minimum wage immediately.
I think he should say he's going to raise taxes on people making over $400,000 and start a first-time home buyer's relief fund.
I think he's got to connect with people and understand that this economy is working for some people, but not working very well for others and make the people it's working for pay a little bit more and try to help the people it's not working for them.
And I think he has an opportunity to do all of this because Trump is, shall we say, pinned down for the foreseeable future.
He's already trying to buy votes by circumventing a Supreme Court decision on student loan bailouts and free student loan payments.
And he's spending billions of dollars.
I guess the suggestion is, oh, well, let's tell every, let's walk away from our one-year strategy of saying the economy is great when everybody knows otherwise.
Anyway, here to break it all down, former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
Mr. Speaker, great to have you.
I contend that what happened last week is not going to impact this election.
Now, I don't know what's going to happen July 11th, but will they put him in jail?
Will they put an ankle bracelet on him and have him be confined to his home?
Will they prevent him from campaigning?
Or will they, you know, first-time offender, you know, pending appeal, let him out on his own recognizance, considering he's not a flight risk with Secret Service around him 24-7.
Well, first of all, you have no idea what Mershon may do because the judge is not only clearly a left-wing Democrat, not only, I think, clearly tainted by his daughter making millions of dollars out of anti-Trump activities,
but in addition, he's clearly a stunningly arrogant person who has no regard for the Constitution, no regard for the law, who is willing to browbeat witnesses, and who, I think, could do virtually anything.
My prediction is that his current plan, which may or may not happen, is to have Trump come in three days before the Republican National Convention and give him a relatively short sentence beginning immediately to block Trump from even being able to go to the convention.
And that would be my given if you start with the idea, these are vicious, bad people trying desperately to hold on to power, and you say, what would be the most biggest challenges they could pose for Trump?
It seems to me making it impossible for him to go to Milwaukee and to be at his own convention might be about as much damage as Mashon can do.
When you say relatively short sentence, can you define that?
Because it's only 154 days till Election Day.
Yeah, but he could give him, look, for the purpose of totally screwing everything up, you could give him a 10-day sentence.
The 10 days just happened to cover the entire convention.
And you could say, look how reasonable I am.
I mean, here's a guy who's been convicted on 34 counts, and I'm only giving him 10 days.
Now, how can anybody appeal that?
I mean, I don't think we should underestimate how methodically wicked these people are and how desperate they are to destroy Trump.
But I also think we have the wrong focus.
The people being hurt most by this totally fake, and it's totally fake, conviction of Trump are the American people.
And the reason they're being hurt is they have a constitutional right to pick a president.
They have a right to have candidates who have free speech.
is all in the constitution um there are well by the way they also have a constitutional right to know what they're charged with Right.
Oh, I just wrote a piece where I outline, you know, there are five of the ten provisions in the Bill of Rights relate to judges.
Because the founding fathers totally distrusted the British judges and saw them as an instrument of state power, not as purveyors of justice.
And so they devote half the Bill of Rights to limiting the power of judges.
And Mashon just methodically destroyed the Constitution.
I mean, this is not some game.
This is not something mild.
This is an extraordinary assault.
But in the process, he not only violated Donald Trump's due rights, he violated the right of every American to have a presidential candidate who was able to speak his piece.
Because remember, this whole concept of a gag rule still holds.
So even if Trump could go to the convention, what could he say without Mashon calling him back and once again finding an excuse to try to put him in jail?
And I think the country should understand, one, this is a fake, absolutely fake conviction.
Two, that Speaker Johnson was correct.
He's a constitutional lawyer.
He said the Supreme Court should step in now.
It has the power and the authority to intervene in a case like this.
And it should step in, take it away from Mashan, and end the whole thing, because it is clearly an assault on the right of every American to have an opportunity to pick the president.
Let me ask you this, because I think that this eventually will be overturned on appeal.
The question is, will it happen before the election?
And I think that if I was Trump's attorneys, I would be pursuing every possible avenue of appeal, every constitutional violation that so many legal scholars agree upon that took place in this trial.
I'm not sure if that will happen.
I think that Professor Dershowitz is right once this Pandora's box is open, that this will forever damage and change our legal system.
I hope in the end that he's wrong because that basically shreds our Constitution, and that is the heart of our republic.
But at the end of the day, I mean, this is going to be what it's going to be.
How do you see the American people reacting to this?
You know, when we start getting results in this election, I urge people to vote early, vote by mail.
I want all these election integrity measures in place.
Putting all that aside, which I say often, I would say, you know, what is the fallout?
Because all I'm hearing from people, even people that didn't like Trump, is they've had it.
They see this for what it is, and it's backfiring and boomeranging like it always has.
Yeah, look, I think the left is so isolated that they're so busy just talking to themselves that they have no idea how much they have offended the American people.
When you start getting people like Peggy Noonan writing a piece, somebody who really is anti-Trump, but has to admit that it's affecting her friends.
Maureen Dowd had to write that for crying out loud.
I mean, I mean, I don't think there's I'm meeting more people that are more resolved and motivated to vote because of what they see happening to the country, not just lawfare and the weaponization of justice.
But then they look at our open borders and our top geopolitical foes are flooding into this country unvetted.
It's the biggest national security risk we ever had.
And they're looking at the disastrous economy that is now 60% of our country living paycheck to paycheck.
Many of those people putting bare necessities on credit cards.
Then dismantle, defund, reimagine, no bail laws has turned into a disaster.
Then you have Joe's cognitive issues.
Then you have war in Europe or in the Middle East and a president that doesn't know the day of the week.
I think regardless of what to do in a Trump, they've got a problem.
Well, they do have a problem.
Look, we have a problem.
We have a president of the United States commander-in-chief with a war going on in Ukraine, a war going on in Gaza, with the Iranians extraordinarily dangerous, with the Chinese communists practicing around the island of Taiwan.
I mean, this is a dangerous world.
And to have a president who's clearly cognitively hopeless and doesn't know what he's doing, I'm not sure knows where he is half the time, this is all really dangerous stuff.
But in addition, as you pointed out, I mean, the average American is feeling this in a very practical way.
One columnist wrote that their sister had always voted Democrat and came home and said, one, I don't think that Joe Biden can possibly function as president for four more years.
Two, I just bought 10 items at the grocery store and it cost me $100.
And three, I'm so angry about the way they have broken the law to get after Trump.
She said, I'm never again voting for Biden.
This is somebody who's a hardcore Democrat.
So I think all of these things are compounding.
And I think we have to recognize that this isn't just politics in the normal sense.
This is history.
These are the kind of things that shape countries and that change realities in ways that you may never recover from.
Well, I think that this is a moment that I don't think we ever expected that we'd observe.
What do you think the long-term consequences are?
Well, I think it depends, first of all, on who wins this fall.
I think if Trump wins, you'll see a very dramatic shift back to a more normal America.
I hope that the president would institute a policy of enforcing the Constitution and enforcing the rule of law.
At the same time, I think if Trump loses, I think you are in for a desperately bad period because you have clear proof now.
You have bad people doing bad things.
This isn't about the judiciary in general.
This is about a specific, a very specific people who are doing very bad things.
And we have to recognize that four more years of Biden and his cronies and their law-breaking and their anti-constitutional behavior, we might not even recognize the country that we once lived in.
All right, quick break.
More with former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, and your call's coming up, 800-941-SEAN, as we continue this Monday.
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Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich is with us.
You're the great historian, Professor.
And I just can't, I can't even emphasize.
How do you interpret, you know, there's a report out today in the Daily Mail that since this conviction last Thursday, $200 million has been raised by the Trump campaign.
I mean, it took Joe Biden an entire quarter to raise $195 million.
And, you know, historically, Democrats have unlimited amounts of cash.
This sounds to me that the country has reacted very, very forcefully.
I mean, this is a loud message that people don't want this to stand.
I mean, I mean, this is, to me, it's an inflection point for the country.
And I've never seen it this bad or worried this much about the state of the country or the state of the world in my life.
Well, I think that's an accurate reflection of reality.
You know, this is the worst president since Buchanan led us into a Civil War.
He is doing things that so deeply violate the Constitution and so deeply undermine the rule of law that you have to really take seriously the threat to the very fabric of American society.
They do it every day.
And I think the reason you saw this spontaneous outpouring to Trump was people who were fed up.
And people, remember, if they can go after a billionaire, former president of the United States, create an entirely phony charge, have a fake conviction, and potentially put him in jail, what can they do to the average person?
I mean, what can they do to you or to me?
And I think that has scared people and has moved them towards much more active support for Donald Trump than there would have been if they hadn't been so unbelievably willing to do these things.
Yeah, I just, there's a part of me that didn't think I could get shocked again in my life, but this was pretty shocking.
I mean, from the very beginning in the bringing this case in the first place, you know, learning in the process that exculpatory information was held, a novel legal theory, a defendant not even knowing what he's being charged with till the end of the case, you know, jury instructions that pretty much all but guaranteed a conviction, a novel, you know, going against two Supreme Court decisions that specifically say unanimity is key.
You can't have people believing in conviction for, oh, four believe reason A, four believe reason B, four believe reason C.
But Mr. Speaker, we'll wait and see.
154 days away, this might, we're watching history in the making for sure.
That no one can contend with for sure.
We appreciate you being with us.
Thanks.
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All right.
Look, so many of you have so many questions.
I want to get as many calls in as we can.
Joseph San Antonio, the free state of Texas.
Joseph, how are you?
Happy Monday.
Glad you called, sir.
Good afternoon, sir.
It's a pleasure and an honor to talk to you.
The pleasure is all mine.
Although there's not really a happy Monday.
Monday's like, ah, here we go again, back into the crime, but I'm glad to be here.
Well, I'm a teacher and I'm off for the summer, so there's that.
But I had a question for you, Sean.
You know, I was hearing Professor Dershowitz this weekend talk about speeding up the appeals process, and everything hinges, I guess, correct me if I'm wrong on that, 11th of July date.
How fast do you think the conviction appeal is going to take?
Do you think they're going to try to go before the 11th of July date?
Or, I mean, if you had to guess, how do you think?
Because I'm kind of confused.
Well, they're trying.
I mean, President Trump said so that the Supreme Court should take it up before the 11th of July.
Look, you know, Mark Levin said something.
You know, forget about what we think they're going to do or a court is going to do.
It doesn't matter.
Get in there and fight hard.
There are so many reasons and basis for repeal for an appeal in this case.
And frankly, I don't see any scenario under which this case is not thrown out for the multitude of reasons we've discussed now for weeks.
Starting with a conflicted judge, starting with jury instructions, starting with what the defense was allowed to say in closing arguments, starting with the latitude.
Just go back to the beginning of the process.
I mean, we have Bob Costello saying he spent an hour and a half on the phone with Alvin Bragg's team explaining all the exculpatory information and evidence that existed, and that compelled him by law to present it to the grand jury, the indicting grand jury.
That didn't happen.
So on every one of these issues, and I think they're all deep and profound, not the least of which is this bizarre novel legal theory, and not the least of which is, well, you can all agree that he's guilty, but you can agree on different reasons why he's guilty.
I'm like, this is insane.
It's just, you know, this is not the country that we thought it was.
And so what I'm saying is I truly believe that they need to begin the process now.
They need to fight everywhere possible.
And hopefully they can get an expedited appeal.
If they don't, it's too bad because I'm pretty certain it's going to be overturned like most legal scholars believe it's going to be overturned.
I got one more question, if that's okay, Sean.
Yes, sir.
So after the conviction last week, you see a lot of polls saying that he was losing support.
President Trump was losing support.
Was gaining support.
As someone who works full-time and doesn't have the time to go to the specifics of every poll, is there like, Sean, one or two polls you could guide it to tell us, okay, this is a credible poll that gives good numbers.
I know I'm sure everyone has its bias, but what would you say like one or two you could recommend to us to follow and look for?
Because I'm always confused with the polls.
Look, I think you're asking a really good question here.
I really do.
It's too early to tell.
Every indication is it is having no impact at all whatsoever on the election.
You've got 27% of Americans saying that they're more likely to vote for him and like 27% saying they're less likely to vote for him as a result of this trial.
So as of now, I would say net, you know, even my gut is 154 days from now, I don't think anybody's going to be thinking about this case.
I really don't.
I think they're going to be looking at the economy, which has been a disaster.
Immigration, a disaster.
I think they're going to be looking at law and order and defund dismantle Nobel laws as a disaster.
Joe Biden's cognitive condition is a disaster.
I think they're going to look at the state of the world a disaster.
Peace and prosperity tend to run elections.
And I just think that it's going to be up to the American people.
And for all of us that see the injustice that this trial was, I'm asking all of you to channel all of your energy into what really matters, and that's this election.
And all the things that we discuss all the time about embracing early voting, voting by mail, voter integrity, voter ID, voter signature verification, updated voter roles, partisan observers.
I mean, we've just got to take this seriously, and that's how you win.
That's the ultimate verdict.
So that's my advice.
All right, buddy?
I hope that answers your question.
Michael, Free State of Florida, next, Sean Hannity Show.
What's up, Michael?
How are you, sir?
Good.
How are you, John?
I'm good.
What's going on?
Wanted to get your opinion on something, what your thoughts would be.
If Trump is found on his appeal, if it gets overturned on something like prosecutorial misconduct, judicial misconduct, lack of due process, something like that, do you think that some of these red state's attorney generals should turn around and file charges for interference in this upcoming election?
I think there needs to be ethics violations investigated.
I think congressional investigations.
I think the issue of Alvin Bragg, did he have exculpatory evidence?
Was he by law compelled to present that to the indicting grand jury?
I would start there.
I think in Juan Mershawn, I think he should have recused himself.
You start there.
I think the whole issue of a local jurisdiction, you know, not even informing a clear violation of 16th Amendment rights, what the charges were is a clear avenue for overturning this conviction.
I just think they're so numerous that you've got to go after all of it, and you've got to go after it hard.
And I think the president's team will do that.
Thank you, Sean, for taking my call today.
You bet, buddy.
You have a great week, okay?
Appreciate it.
Let us say hi to Clint, also in the free state of Texas.
What's up, Clint?
How are you?
I'm great, Sean.
Thank you for taking my call.
Thank you.
What's on your mind today?
Well, I would like to suggest for President Trump's legal team that maybe it may not be necessary to actually have an appeal overturn this jury verdict.
As you know, a jury verdict is not a conviction the way that the ABC division of Pravda has been reporting.
A jury verdict is just that.
A jury verdict is just a verdict.
It's not a judgment until the judge issues the sentence and signs the judgment.
What I'm calling about today is an idea that this conviction could probably or possibly be stopped before it ever happens.
And the idea that I'm talking about happened in the northern district of Texas, a federal court in Lubbock, I'm sorry, in Amarillo, in 1993.
The court was faced with a civil RICO lawsuit, and it was filed against a rogue prosecutor in the county of Lubbock that was going after actually weaponizing the criminal justice system against police officers and witnesses that didn't agree with the prosecutor, by indicting them if they didn't testify the way that he would.
wanted them to testify.
Two police officers were indicted in this case.
One of them was named Pat Kelly.
The other one was named Bill Hubbard.
Bill Hubbard actually wrote a book called Substantial Evidence.
And the federal judge in this case was faced with a request for a preliminary injunction to stop further prosecutions of these two police officers and another person that had been indicted, a defense attorney by the name of Millard Farmer.
And the federal judge in Amarillo issued a preliminary injunction that stopped any further prosecutions on the ground that these prosecutions were brought in bad faith and for the purposes of retaliation against these police officers and this defense attorney for exercising their constitutional rights.
So they, even though they had been indicted, they were never convicted because this federal judge stopped it with an injunction.
And at the time, there was an article in the local newspaper that said this was only the fifth time in United States history that a federal judge had used her power to issue an injunction to stop criminal prosecutions of this rogue district attorney.
And it was stopped.
Look, you're dealing with Texas versus New York, and it's night and day.
The difference is night and day.
So I can only tell you that everything that we've been discussing, and without repeating myself here, I think every avenue of appeal needs to be pursued.
Every instance of improprieties need to be investigated.
I think the ethical issues, the magnitude of which I've never seen in my life, I've never seen a kangaroo court like this.
I can't believe this is our country.
I'm hoping that, in fact, this can get done before the election.
If it doesn't, the American people, I think, have pretty much been able to see through what this is.
You know, the amazing thing is we've been doing a lot of man on the street interviews on Fox, and even New Yorkers are getting, in liberal New York City, they're like, yeah, this is stupid.
And yeah, they're going after him only because it's Donald Trump.
This case never would have been brought against anybody else.
And that's the frightening thing.
And that's why we call it the weaponization of our justice system.
And it's got to stop because it is a clear and present danger to the country.
And I'll add this.
You know, assuming Donald Trump can win this election, and he can, if he wins, I would not want Republicans to do that which was done to him and to target people and to use, you know, these tactics in this case is basically the only way they can win an election.
Because otherwise, we're shredding our Constitution in the process.
It is lawfare, and this is the great danger of this.
It's now worked for the left.
And once that works once, then the other sides will, you know, saying, okay, well, the bar has been lowered.
We'll do the same thing to you.
And at that point, you know, equal justice, application of our laws, things, you know, the civics that we learned growing up go out the door.
And those are fundamental to a constitutional republic.
Anyway, I appreciate the call, my friend.
Glad you're out there.
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Larry in North Carolina, next, Sean Hannity Show.
Hi.
Hi, Sean.
How are you?
And thank you for taking my call.
Thank you, sir.
What's on your mind this Monday?
Well, I've got some issues with Judge Michawn's instruction to the juries.
I've been on a handful of juries in my long life.
Two of them actually in Orange County, New York.
So I've got some first-hand experience as to what goes on there.
And in every case, when the judge was giving the instructions to the jury members, he always included a statement to the effect of if you disbelieve any of a particular witness's testimony, you have the option of rejecting any or all of his other statements entered into testimony.
And I couldn't find any transcripts of the judge's instructions where he actually gave the jury those instructions about the witness.
And I was wondering, could that be a case of judicial error or maybe even judicial malfeasance if he did it deliberately to hide those options from the jury because he didn't want them to use those instructions?
What do you think?
Again, not only did we have a legal, a novel legal theory, not only did we have a violation of Sixth Amendment rights, nobody knew what the charges were until the end of the trial.
Clear violation of the Constitution.
Then we had a novel, you know, we had novel and new jury instructions, which are a clear violation of not one, but two Supreme Court decisions.
And that is, you can agree, which, by the way, there has to be unanimity.
Both Supreme Court, Ramos, Louisiana decision, 2020 is a great case in point.
You have to agree on all points.
The jury has to agree on all points.
And they didn't necessarily.
They never should have been given those instructions.
Well, that would be cause right there to throw the whole case out.
And I can identify, you know, eight, ten reasons why this case should be thrown out.
And I believe in the end will be, but one of many.
And I think there ought to be, you know, some type of at a minimum reprimand for this judge for his clear violation of a Supreme Court decision.
But, you know, Joe Biden's not abiding by our immigration laws.
And Joe Biden doesn't care about the Supreme Court decision as it relates to, you know, open borders.
He's been aiding and abetting in that law breaking.
So we'll wait.
We'll see.
Anyway, 800-941-Sean is our number if you want to be a part of the program.
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