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Tim Sheehy - June 3rd, Hour 3
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We've not really spent enough time, and we will be spending more time on some very key Senate races because the balance of power in the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives is as critical as Donald Trump winning this November if we want to change the country away from these failed policies of Joe Biden.
And so there is a primary tomorrow in Montana.
President Trump has endorsed Tim Sheehee.
He's a father, husband, combat vet, patriot, entrepreneur.
His background is pretty impressive.
He completed several deployments, hundreds of missions as a Navy SEAL officer.
He was a team leader.
He deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, South America, and the Pacific region.
And he was involved in dozens of engagements with enemy forces.
It earned him multiple combat decorations, Bronze Star with valor for heroism in combat, the Purple Heart Medal, because he was injured in the line of duty.
And one of the things he said that really caught my attention, he put this up on X. I'm pretty tired of hearing career politicians talk about how they're going to fight for America.
He said, I think they're full of it.
I actually know what it means to fight for America and put your life on the line for this country.
Leadership, sacrifice, duty matter.
Anyway, here's his latest ad because he is now running in this primary tomorrow, and he'll be the first Senate Republican with an ad centered on Donald Trump's conviction.
And that would put him up against the incumbent John Tester, who he accuses of supporting state-sponsored political persecution led by Joe Biden and the radical left.
Here's this ad.
I'm Tim Sheehee, and I approve this message.
It's Lawfair, a state-sponsored political persecution led by Joe Biden and the radical left.
They want to throw Trump in jail, trying to rob Americans of their choice in the election.
And John Tester is standing right by their side.
Tester's even advocated for violence against President Trump.
I think you need to go back and punch him in the face.
And Tester voted to impeach President Trump twice.
John Tester supported Joe Biden's witch hunt every step of the way.
All right, joining us now is the Senate candidate, Tim Sheehee.
His primary is tomorrow, sir.
First of all, thank you for serving your country and your bravery and your valor and all that you've done for America.
This is a pretty big jump.
If you thought, I guess, combat was bad there.
With lawfare, I guess it's pretty bad here, too.
It's its own version of combat in a way.
Well, thank you, too, Sean, for what you've done for America, you know, exposing the truth and speaking truth to Americans because they sure can't get it very much anymore from the regular media.
And we're at a crossroads.
America's at a crossroads.
No other way to say it.
I mean, what happened just last week at that ad highlights, you know, ward across the nation.
We're a constitutional republic.
Our founding fathers were so wise in how they built this intricate constitutional republic of checks and balances to ensure that the will of the people would be enshrined.
And now we're seeing a direct assault on that.
And whether you love Donald Trump or hate him, whether you like his hair or don't like his hair, like his policies hate him, the vast majority of Americans want an impartial justice system that judges each case on its merits.
And what we've seen here is a completely rigged series of trials across the nation, as you well know, with one simple purpose, political persecution.
And Americans are sensing that.
They're feeling it.
They're seeing it.
And my opponent here, John Tester, has been a loyal foot soldier in that fight.
And in a state that went 20 points for Donald Trump, Tester has been a 95% foot soldier every time he's been in lockstep with Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden in that agenda.
So we've got to expose that.
Montana's got to realize that and boot him out of office this fall.
Well, let me ask you this.
How is that possible in Montana?
Trump wins by 20 and they elect a Democrat for the Senate.
I always have a hard time understanding statistics like that.
Well, you're right.
And it is Montana's political history is complicated.
People simplify our state.
We're a big, square Western state, so people just assume it's politically monolithic.
No, everybody thinks it's Yellowstone, the series, but go ahead.
You're absolutely right.
We're always in gunfights at the diner before we go home.
I was right.
But no, we have a politically complex history here.
And the Democrat Party, which, as we all know, at one point was the party of the working man 100 years ago.
We had a lot of labor in Montana, the mines, the railroads, the timber industry.
And our Democrat Party here in Montana was characterized by blue dog Democrats who were fighting for responsible working conditions and rights for the working class, because especially in the Butte mines, the working conditions here were absolutely terrible.
And they represented the populist movement of the working class for decades.
And as we well know, that Democrat Party is long gone.
They abandoned the working class, especially the white working class, decades ago.
And that's the ilk that really delivered the Democrat infrastructure in our state that allowed politicians like John Tester to get into office.
Well, I see all of what you see, but there's an article out today that now more and more Democrats are running as far away from Joe Biden as possible.
Are you beginning to see indications Tester is going to go there?
Although I think he'd have a hard time pulling that off considering his 95% support of Joe Biden and his radicalized policies.
And you're right about one other thing, and that is, yeah, you're right.
The Democratic Party of old no longer exists.
This is now a radicalized, leftist, Marxist, radical socialist party.
And it does not represent working men and women.
And I think this is why the polls have been indicating that, you know, a big part of the Democratic base, Hispanic Americans, African Americans, young people are abandoning the Democratic Party in droves.
They've become the party of coastal elites, as I call them.
And I think the Republican Party is more about the forgotten men and women in this country.
And I'm just, you know, from my standpoint, you know, I look at this and I think this is the biggest opportunity Republicans have to maybe cause what would be a generational or multi-generational realignment of politics forever in this country by standing up for working men and women.
You hit the nail on the head, and it's so important we remind Americans of the importance of this Senate cycle because, of course, we all know the importance of the White House, no questions asked.
I mean, that's apparent.
But so many Americans, including people who, you know, are self-described political wonks or even many of the donor class who invest significant sums of money every cycle, a lot of folks still are not grasping that this cycle for the Senate, 2024, has structural implications for the future of America.
This is the only chance we as Republicans have, as conservatives have, to take control of the U.S. Senate for basically the next decade and potentially ever, because in 26 and 28, as folks probably know, six-year terms, a third of the Senate terms over every two years.
So it's not like the House rubrons up every two years.
The next two cycles, 26 and 28, are incredibly defensive for the Republican Party.
Statistically, there are no flip seats.
And the Democrats have said very clearly what they intend to do if they hold the Senate this fall.
They want to eliminate the legislative filibuster, which means they can add two more states like D.C. and Puerto Rico, which they are constantly saying they're going to do.
That builds in four more Democrat senators, and then they want to pack the Supreme Court.
That creates a permanent progressive majority in not just the Senate, but our judiciary for a generation.
I mean, a generation.
Now, this isn't a White House where executive orders are issued and four years later, they are repealed by the next guy.
This is a structural altering of our Constitutional Republic that we may never be able to come back from.
And that's what's at stake this fall.
So it's more than just, you know, Sherrod Brown and John Tester and Joe Manchin.
This is the structure of our democracies, our framers designed it.
And you hit the nail right on the head in your early part of your comments there, that all these Democrats are now trying to run to the center or to the right even.
You know, we're seeing John Tester's got an F from the NRA, 100% Planned Parenthood.
You know, he's 95% in lockstep for Joe Bilot.
He is now running as I work with Trump.
I passed Trump legislation.
I've supported Trump.
I'm fighting back against Biden to secure the border, even though he's voted against the Lake and Riley Act.
He's voted to not port violent criminal legal aliens.
He's voted to continue to fund migrant flights around the country.
The list goes on.
He's a lockstep progressive, but now, exactly as you said, he's running the ad saying that, well, I'm a Democrat, but basically I'm a Republican.
And after 20 years plus in office, 18 years in the U.S. Senate plus the state Senate before that, Montana's are wise to this act that the Tester two-step is going to work again.
In B.C., he's a Marxist and all of a sudden he comes out here.
He's a gun-toting forest security hawk.
It's not working this time.
We're holding him accountable for that.
And the polls are showing that our message is working.
And our message, Sean, is very simple.
Is it resonating?
Has it gotten through to the people of Montana?
Which, by the way, many a stressful day, I'm like, why don't I just pack my bags, get a little baby ranch in Montana, and live with nature and where the buffalo roam in my backyard?
Well, it's a great place, and we welcome all kinds here, but the reality is the message is resonating.
And the reason it's resonating is we can't beat Sean Tester on the airwaves.
I mean, he's out raising us.
Pick your day, three to one, five to one, ten to one.
The amount of Democrat money that comes in from George Furls and Chuck Schumer into Montana will make this the most expensive election in American history for a co-vote.
I mean, it's going to be massively expensive.
And how we're countering that is I'm going to every town, every VFW hall, every rodeo.
You know, we've got 56 counties across the fourth largest state in the nation.
We've been to every single county, many of them multiple, multiple times.
I can't beat him in the air, but we'll beat them on the ground.
And we've done hundreds of grassroots events where we show up to the local diner, the local VFW.
I'll say, hey, you want to talk to Tim?
Tim's here.
Open questions.
No controlled curated events.
It's raw as it goes.
And we're talking to people who may not even have typically been voters.
We're not just going to the base.
We're going to everyone saying, listen, we have to save America.
I fought for this country.
My wife is a Marines.
She fought for this country in Afghanistan.
I brought friends home in boxes from Afghanistan.
I fought for this country.
I refuse to watch it get sold out anymore, especially by a political class who we pay their salary.
I refuse to pay people to sell out our country.
And that's why I'm running.
And I think people sense that genuineness in my message that this is no longer Democrat and Republican.
This is about common sense values that we have to save this country.
Because if we don't save it here in the next three to four years, I think it will become beyond favour.
All right, quick Frank, we'll come back.
The primaries tomorrow.
Tim Sheehee, Trump-endorsed candidate for Montana to go up against John Tester.
Again, veteran and patriot, former Navy SEAL officer, team leader, deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, South America, the Pacific region.
Anyway, he's now running for the U.S. Senate against John Tester.
His primary is tomorrow.
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We continue with Montana Senate candidate Tim Sheehy in his primary tomorrow.
Wants to go up against Democrat John Tester.
What has the reaction to the verdict in Montana been?
You know, it's a combination of anger, but also just kind of resigned acceptance that everyone knew this is where it was going to go.
I don't think anyone's surprised about the verdict.
As angry as many people are, we're also not surprised.
And I think for the most part, people want to respect the legal system.
They want to respect law and order.
We are the party of law and order.
Conservatives want people to follow the rules and be held accountable.
But when the system, when we're letting murders walk away on the streets, when we're literally booking and releasing violent criminals every day, when we're being told we don't have the resources to enforce crime or prosecute crime, yet at the same time, we're seeing trials nationwide against Trump.
People are extremely frustrated to see that and hear that.
So people are angry.
Oh, you really can't blame them.
You really can't.
By the way, are you as upset as I am that Yellowstone is at the end of its run?
Because it really pissed me off.
Well, I'll tell you, the main reason I'm upset about it is because, you know, every episode of Yellowstone, $75 million into the Montana economy, whether you like the show or roll your eyes because, you know, it's a little silly.
The reality has been great for Montana's economy.
Wait a minute.
You cannot tell me like one of my favorite shows was silly.
You're not getting away with that.
There's nothing about Yellowstone and the matriarch.
Let's call her Beth.
Maybe the greatest character in any modern show of all time, but certainly a drama for the ages.
There's no doubt about it.
But I guess all good things come to an end, right?
Yep, yeah, I guess it's time.
But, you know, they have all these spin-off shows now, and I think they're calling it now the Yellowstone universe.
So I think the 1880 show, and then I think the newer one with Harrison Ford, I hear, those are going to continue.
So hopefully the film industry in Montana continues to get some good input from this.
But ultimately, you know, it's just tell all these people that are buying big ranches out there from states like California, New York, that if they want to move to Montana, that's fine.
But if they're going to bring their leftist policies with them, no thanks.
Well, you know what we're seeing in Montana, which is interesting because that narrative, which has certainly been pushed by Yellowstone, is that All that the California liberals are coming here making the state blue.
The truth is actually the opposite.
What's happening here is folks, our governor titles them political refugees.
Folks are leaving Washington, Oregon, California because of those policies, and they're moving here because they never want to see those policies again.
The folks who are leaving California, they don't want to live in the mess they made, but they want to vote and make another mess.
They're going to Denver and they're going to Texas and Arizona.
It's kind of like the East Coast, where everyone's fleeing New York taxes that wants to keep voting Democrat, I guess, is going to the Carolinas.
But the folks who never want to see it happen again are going to Florida.
Same dynamic out here.
People leaving the left coast that never want to see that again are going to Idaho, Montana.
And about two to one, two and a half to one ratio in the last two years, especially during COVID.
We saw a two and a half to one conservative to liberal ratio coming to Montana, specifically this legal lockdown.
Just over the weekend, I was over in Hamilton and riding with a guy in his truck, and he was telling me about how he fled Seattle when he was arrested at Home Depot for not wearing a mask.
They cuffed him.
They erected him at Home Depot without a mask.
And he said, right then and there, I knew I was never going to live here again.
So I packed up my family and I moved to Montana.
He's like, I don't believe it.
All right.
Well, we're going to follow this race closely.
We'll watch the primary tomorrow.
Tim Sheehy, combat vet, patriot, and did hundreds of missions as a Navy SEAL officer, deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, South America, the Pacific region.
Incredible background you have.
We'll be watching not only the primary, but the general election against John Testa very closely, sir.
Thanks, and we'll have you back.
Thank you, Sean.
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You just can make this stuff up.
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Anthony Fauci is getting closer and closer.
We begin to realize: oh, we were lied to.
We were lied to about the origins of COVID that they knew from the beginning.
Now a report out: oh, maybe the NIH actually ended up in cahoots with pharmaceutical companies and maybe made money.
Anyway, Fauci back on Capitol Hill says, Oh, I didn't try to cover up the possibility that COVID originated from a lab.
Listen, the second issue is a false accusation that I tried to cover up the possibility that the virus originated from a lab.
In fact, the truth is exactly the opposite.
I now quote from an email that I sent to Professor Farrar on February 1, 2020.
Quote, Jeremy, I just got off the phone to Christian Anderson, and he related to me his concern about the furing site mutation in the spike protein of the virus.
I told him that as soon as possible, he and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together to carefully examine the data to determine if his concerns are validated and they should report it to the appropriate authorities.
I would imagine that in the USA, this would be the FBI and in the UK, it would be MI5.
In the meantime, I will alert my U.S. government official colleagues of my conversation with you and Christian and determine what further investigation they recommend.
Let us stay in touch.
Best regards, Tony, unquote.
It is inconceivable that anyone who reads this email could conclude that I was trying to cover up the possibility of a lab leak.
I have always kept an open mind to the different possibilities.
That's when they were pushing the wet markets.
Remember the flurry of exchanges from the very beginning.
They knew from the very beginning what happened at the Wuhan lab.
They knew that coronavirus research took place there.
They knew gain of function research took place there.
And their great fear was that in the early days of January 2020, chronicled a lot of this in Rand Paul's book.
He'll be on Hannity tonight.
But more importantly, the fact that they were scared to death that it would be exposed that NIH money funneled through the EcoHealth Alliance would show that, in fact, they were funding this Wuhan lab and they didn't want that to get out.
It's just a total crock.
Anyway, Dr. Robert Redfield, former CDC director, says, Dr. Fauci, you know, there's actually shut out debate about COVID being the result of a lab leak.
Listen to this.
In early to mid-January, I did have multiple calls with Fauci, Farrar, and Tedros about how important I thought it was that science get engaged in aggressively pursuing both hypotheses.
I also expressed, as a clinical virologist, that I felt it was not scientifically plausible that this virus went from a bat to humans and became one of the most infectious viruses that we have for humans.
Now, why do you think you were excluded from those calls?
Because I was told to me that they wanted a single narrative and that I obviously had a different point of view.
That this whole approach that was taken on February 1st and subsequently in the month of February, if you really want to be truthful, it's antithetical to science.
Thank you.
Science has debate, and they squashed any debate.
Thank you.
Why?
Ask yourself why.
Because they knew that NIH funding went to the Wuhan Virology Lab, and they knew exactly what was going on in that lab.
And they knew that, in fact, taxpayer dollars likely contributed to the creation of the COVID-19 virus that killed so many Americans.
By the way, Fauci, you know, he's like the Michael Cohn of medicine.
Listen.
And right now, people should not be worried.
There's no reason to be walking around with a mask.
One mask is good.
Two masks are better.
Now is not the time to pull back.
You have to wait a few weeks before you see the effect of what you're doing right now.
There is an end to this.
We just have to hang in there a bit.
And I think one of the rescuing elements is going to be a vaccine.
I hope that next Mother's Day we're going to see a dramatic difference than what we're seeing right now.
I believe that we will be about as close to back to normal as we can.
Unbelievable.
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John in the very important state of Pennsylvania.
John, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean.
I love your show.
I wanted to tell you.
But also, I wanted to touch base on the trial with Trump.
And that is, I think this whole thing is all planned out just because of the fact that they want that guilty verdict before the election.
They want to hinder him any way they can.
And point two is if we allow this to happen, we will never see a Republican president again because they will continually do this.
That way we can't elect a Republican.
Look, I mean, we see what's happening.
Americans have responded to this.
And I think it kind of reminds me, although I think it's just far worse in terms of how politics can get out of hand, is Bill Clinton's approval rating was never higher until he was impeached.
And what they're doing is everything that they've done and all the persecution of this guy culminating in what we saw last Thursday is backfiring.
And it's a boomerang effect.
And I think the net result of the boomerang effect is that it only helps Donald Trump.
And you can't give me one reason you should be voting for Joe Biden.
Are you better off than you were four years ago?
A question they can't answer.
And you're dealing with somebody that is not cognitively strong at all.
He seems to be deteriorating and melting before our eyes.
Couple that with his bad economic and border policies, his bad law and order policies, which are non-existent, the state of the world and everything else in between.
There's nothing that's working right now.
And Americans are going to, they're not going to care about a $130,000 payment eight years ago that they see this for what this is, a bookkeeping error, upcharge to a class E felony,
which they had no jurisdiction over, whose statute of limitations had passed, with jury instructions that defy Supreme Court decisions, with a judge that gave great latitude to a prosecution to basically say anything and everything they want and the inability of the defense to even really fully put on a defense by even getting experts like Bradley Smith, former FEC chair, on how this is not a violation of any election law.
So, you know, the deck was stacked.
People see it.
And I think that, you know, that's why Trump raised $200 million since last Thursday.
And that's why, and the more they push and the more severe, whatever this punishment's going to end up being on July 11th, is going to just further this belief to the American people that the system is just corrupt and that this can't happen in this country.
I don't want it to happen to Democrats or Republicans.
Anyway, appreciate the call.
Dennis in Florida.
Dennis, you're on the Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
Hi, Sean.
Thanks for taking the call.
Sean, I believe the wrong person was on trial in this matter.
I believe Stormy Daniels demanded money to be quiet for the 2016 election.
I believe that she has committed blackmail on Mr. Trump and also extortion on him.
I don't think that's the case because if you go back to the original call, it was made by Michael Cohn based on Michael Cohn's own testimony.
And Michael Cohn testified that he, in fact, himself, which by the way should have been the end of the case right here, that he did this without Trump's knowledge.
And then Michael Cohn, of course, that whole issue of that phone call came into play.
You know, I think what they did is they just threw enough salacious material up against the wall to make everything seem nefarious that was not nefarious.
And they were successful because of the venue that they were in.
And they had hoped that that was enough, and it was enough.
And the judge was sufficiently on their side, basically putting cinder blocks on the scales of justice that they were able to pull this off.
Bad for the country, but the country, I think, sees this for what it is.
I'm pretty confident they do.
My read just on my dealing with people on a daily basis is there are people just disgusted by all of it.
They're just disgusted.
An NDA is not illegal.
And they went into it willingly on both sides.
That's an agreement.
It was labeled a legal expense because the lawyer negotiated the deal, and that is, by definition, a legal expense.
There's no bookkeeping error, and they have no right to upcharge a federal felony the way they did and violate his constitutional rights in the process by not even telling him what he's being charged with.
Do you think special prosecutors should be appointed to investigate this case with regard to the demand for money?
I don't think that's the avenue that I would look into.
No, I would look into the constitutional issues, the conflict of interest issues, what the DA knew that was exculpatory, that was not presented to the charging grand jury in this case.
I think there's so many avenues of appeal, it's hard to list them all.
Well, you're right on that.
I think it should be, I personally think that the Stormy Daniels, there has to be a reason why this money was paid to her.
And there has to be a reason why.
Well, she denied that an affair ever happened in 2006, all the way multiple times, 2011, I think, and 12, and even in January of 2018, denied she was even paid hush money or had sex with Donald Trump.
So, you know, who do you believe here?
Do you think Michael Cohen is the...
Listen, but you've got to understand something.
These companies do this all the time.
There's a decision that has to be made.
And the odd thing is, is that the payment was made after the election, number one, by Trump.
Number two, it was labeled the right way.
Number three, the upcharge is just, frankly, unconstitutional, as is the jury instructions that directly circumvent two Supreme Court decisions.
So I just think the fact that they entered into the agreement is the minimal part of it.
I guarantee you, if we got into the records of the district attorney's office in New York, you would find that there are probably dozens and dozens, if not hundreds of NDAs that they've been involved in over the years.
I understand that, but I'm talking about the criminal elements that has put him in a bad spot because of somebody else's behavior, whether it was Michael Cohen trying to make money off of Trump and a deal with her or her making a deal with him to cause him to determine his reputation being sallied on this election to lose the election.
I think that was what the definition of blackmail is and extortion.
I do think that this is.
But again, they all went into this willingly.
It's kind of called a nuisance lawsuit.
This is how these things are often looked at.
All right, is it worth paying $130,000, make this go away, prevent embarrassment for his family, or is it better to fight it, even though the story of Stormy Daniels had been out there, but she had denied it.
She denied it all the way through January of 2018, and she denied it repeatedly.
And, you know, unfortunately, you know, this is what it, this, this is what they've turned into, you know, a federal case that they had no jurisdiction over.
It's insane.
The whole thing is insane, and it really is a corruption of our laws and our constitutional order.
Anyway, Joe Ella J. Joe, you're next.
Hi, how are you, Georgia?
Sean, love your show.
Listen, I'd vote for Trump from a jail sale.
I think he'll win even if they put him in jail by landslide.
Your show is going to help him win.
So I think it's terribly unfair.
And I think Trump will win with a landslide.
All right.
Joe in Ella J is on record.
I'm not taking anything for granted.
I'm just, for everybody that has these feelings of, you know, their heart is troubled.
They're angry.
You don't like what you see happening to the country around the world.
You don't like lawfare.
You don't like the weaponization of justice.
There's really one final verdict to come, and the only one that's really going to matter.
And that's on, you know, that's this election.
And you get to render that verdict.
And I would say, don't underestimate the consequences of this election.
For me, it's beyond a tipping point.
This is an inflection point for the country because all of this will continue and get worse if Joe Biden is re-elected.
But that power is yours.
It's not mine.
I'm only one vote.
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Life is also crazy with the increased crime, violence all over the country.
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I've always been a believer in the Second Amendment.
I still am.
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If the situation warrants and I can use that, that would be my first choice.
Anyway, but I have, you know, I have both options.
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I think it should be a part of yours too.
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