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Dr. Ben Carson - May 17th, Hour 2

 Dr. Ben Carson, author of the brand news book out this week, The Perilous Fight, joins us to talk about the disgusting weaponization of our justice system, the violence and crime everywhere and the spoiled IVY league brats waving their flags of hatred and antisemitism.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, I still can't get over what happened on the stand to Michael Cohen yesterday.
Got completely, totally just gutted.
And this star witness absolutely destroyed some things that we haven't really spent enough time on.
Calling D.A. Alvin Bragg a fearless leader.
Okay, really?
Saying Trump being processed brings me nothing but delight, saying that he played a role in the indictment of Trump, saying he absolutely hopes that Donald Trump ends up in prison, admits to calling Trump dumbass Donald, being mentally excited about the trial.
I mean, this is kind of sick stuff.
Lying under oath to Congress, getting sentenced to two months in prison, being filed a fine $50,000 for lying to Congress.
By the way, he got years in prison, claiming the federal prosecution of him was the most unfair prosecution in the past hundred years, really.
Calling the judges and prosecutors in the case against him effing animals, lying under oath in front of a federal judge, feeling the outcome of this trial impacts him personally.
I mean, you got to be kidding me.
Encouraging people to delete their conversations with him, you know, trying to get his sentence reduced repeatedly, wanting the role of White House chief of staff for ego purposes, having difficulty getting tickets to Trump's inauguration.
Oh, poor Michael.
Anyway, and all of this.
And then, of course, the testimony of Robert Costello.
But listen to the media and their shock over this.
For me, even with my strong feelings about Donald Trump, my knowledge of how he behaves, I couldn't today convict beyond a reasonable doubt.
Michael Cohen is just such a problematic figure.
It sort of casts lots of his testimony in doubt, given the passage of time, and makes the district attorney's office look terrible.
On cross-examination, lawyers want to kind of put the witness in a, you know, build a box around the witness and then slam it shut.
That's what Todd Blench did to Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen was cornered in what appeared to be a lie, I think, to many in the room.
It would be very hard for me to see a jury that would not have serious questions about Michael Cohen's credibility.
I don't think I've ever seen a star cooperating witness get his knees chopped out quite as clearly and dramatically as what just happened with Michael Cohen.
I think the punches are building cumulatively.
I think Tuesday there were bruises and today there's blood to extend the metaphor.
Wow.
What else do you say about this?
Now, you know, I hope that Robert Costello, I mean, he doesn't have a credibility problem.
I mean, he had one of the most prestigious positions at the STNY, the Southern District of New York ever.
I mean, this guy is the real deal, serious prosecutor, lawyer in his own right.
I mean, he just totally was devastating to Michael Cohen and his testimony before Congress this week by, you know, claiming, number one, that Michael Cohen told him that, oh, he did this whole deal with Stormy Daniels, never told Donald Trump about it at all, you know, in any way, shape, matter, or form, and admitted that he did all of this on his own, and how Bragg's office hid documents to provide to the grand jury when they're prosecuting.
I mean, this is unbelievable stuff.
Alina Hava is with us, legal spokesperson for President Trump.
Anyway, Alina, great to have you back.
I don't know.
I mean, I've been comparing this to my cousin Binny, and I played in the last hour.
I won't play it again.
Maybe I'll play it later in the last hour, but that courtroom scene about positive traction and these marks were made by a 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
It's a fact.
Is that a fact?
Is that an opinion?
You just can't make it up.
Tell me what it was like from your perspective.
You were in the room.
I have to admit, and I usually can keep my composure, obviously, and I'm not part of this team.
I obviously oversee the PAC team and all that.
But I actually gave out like a shocking ha because even me, who has myself taken Michael Cohen down to some extent in the Attorney General case, it was so beyond comprehension, the sloppiness, the corruption I saw, the failure of the DA to include evidence that whether they just didn't want to include it to the jury or they didn't want to include it to the witnesses.
There was obviously an intentional omission, which is very disturbing to me.
And the storyline, you know, there was one story told and then it changed.
And the end of the day, when you're watching this crumble in front of your eyes after fighting, and I've been fighting with the president since he left the White House, and seeing the corruption firsthand and talking about it on TV or on the radio is one thing.
But Sean, what I saw happen in court that day was such a relief.
And I hope to God the jury saw it, heard it.
I know they did.
I watched them.
And, you know, I'd be shocked if they did anything other than acquit the president.
First of all, he did nothing wrong.
Secondly, you know, this is a show, and they bet on the wrong actors.
That's the truth of it.
Wow.
I mean, it really, they really, really did.
And you would have thought they would have had this buttoned up.
Let's go to the issue that Robert Costello brought up, and that is the issue of Alvin Bragg and the information and the documents that were provided to the grand jury.
For example, they had full and complete access to all of the records of Robert Costello, but they only used what they wanted to use.
And that to me is like selectively looking at the evidence and kind of ignoring exculpatory evidence, isn't it?
100%.
That's my biggest concern here.
And while, you know, it's exciting to see a person go down and all that.
My concern really in that courtroom, what made me give the aha moment was they created spreadsheets that just weren't accurate, and they knew that.
They presented those to a court of law.
Those did not include all text messages.
Those did not include all communications.
And they presented that as if that was the facts.
And that's called manipulation at the highest level and election interference at the highest level.
We can't forget, and I'll repeat it every time I go on TV or radio, this case was not brought twice.
Not once, but twice.
Two DAs, including this one, didn't want to bring this case because they looked at it, they looked at the evidence they had, and they knew it was garbage.
But it was brought when he announced he was running for office.
We cannot be lost on the fact that that is what's happening.
And I think that intentionally excluding evidence from a jury is literally preventing the American people from choosing who their president's going to be.
It's not just about this case.
This is a future president we're talking about, a former president.
This has not happened in our country ever before.
And now it's being done so crooked and so sideways that the American people are going to have a real problem having faith in the justice system.
And if they're doing this to him, they will do it to us.
Imagine if you're not Donald Trump, you don't have the press in there.
You know, it's very scary.
Well, let me ask you this, because you were in the courtroom, and I have been very vocal that I've, and I believe it to this day, and I don't believe this has been a fair trial.
I think the judge should have recused himself.
This was a misdemeanor.
The statute of limitations had passed.
The judge was conflicted.
His family's conflicted.
We brought up all of this, this convoluted legal theory, all the things that we have discussed here.
But yet it has gone forward.
A directive verdict would be the right thing to do, but this judge is not going to be capable of that.
So the jury is going to get a hold of this.
But the venue is New York City, where, what, nearly 9 out of 10 New Yorkers are registered Democrats and voted against Donald Trump in 2020.
And I just feel he can't get a fair trial in New York.
This has not been one.
I don't think he can get a fair trial in D.C.
I don't think he can get one in Fulton County, Georgia.
And this is a huge problem that has existed for the president from the very beginning.
Now, with that said, I mean, you're looking at the jury.
I know it's hard to read a jury, but is it really that hard?
How did they react in the courtroom to this yesterday?
And where do you think they're leaning?
Yeah, I reserved comment on this before, as you know, and I'll say that that day, in particular yesterday, was a little bit different.
And I do think there was a reaction.
And I do think there was definitely nobody snoozing off and there was nobody lost on what was happening.
And that's all we ask for.
Pay attention and see it.
And, you know, for the first four and a half weeks, this trial was done by the prosecution.
But now we get our turn.
And I just want the American people to know the facts are on our side, number one.
Number two, as we've seen with Fulton County, as we've seen with all of these, the boxes and Jack Smith touching and messing up evidence that is key to his case.
We're seeing the crumbling and rapid fire diminishing of these people that were hired to go after Trump.
And if we don't have a strong jury that will put their ethics and morals outside of their politics, we'll have a problem because there is such a thing as Trump derangement syndrome.
And we are worried about that.
But I will say at this point, Sean, and I do honestly say this, and I didn't say it last week, but I'm saying it after yesterday.
We are going to be just fine because no matter what, the amount of triable issues that happened here, the motion for a mistrial that needs to happen after what we found out yesterday, the directed verdict that should happen, if it's not granted, the appealable issues we have are so strong at this point.
And I think it's really truly selective prosecution at this point.
It's obvious.
It's obvious.
Quick break.
More with President Trump's legal spokesperson and general counsel for the Save America PAC, Alina Haba.
We'll get to your calls.
Ben Carson coming up.
And Senator Tommy Tuberville is from Alabama, was in the courtroom yesterday.
He'll join us.
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All right, we continue with Alina Haba.
She is, of course, the legal spokesperson for President Trump, was in the courtroom yesterday.
Can we talk about, obviously, Bob Costello has to be called.
I would imagine because of the complication of the laws involved and this, you know, the president has attorneys bringing in expert witnesses on federal election law.
That seems like a no-brainer to me, too.
Although the judge is indicating, what, he's going to decide the law and only him, the Biden donor judge who's conflicted and should have recused himself.
Yeah, how about the FEC already investigated this?
Okay, this was done.
This is old news.
You know who the FEC fined Hillary Clinton for hiding a Russia hoax through her lawyers?
That's who actually did this.
This storyline has been played out.
And you know what she got?
$8,000 some odd dollars with the FEC after an investigation.
But Donald Trump, no.
Criminal investigation with the judge that should recuse.
Alina, if you're paying for a legal expense and a deal negotiated, listen to what Robert Costello is saying.
He said, oh, Michael Cohen told me he did it, did it on his own, and your lawyer does this, and then you put it down as a legal expense, paying your lawyer for his legal work.
Tell me how that's a crime.
It's not.
An NDA is not a crime.
What is the crime?
Can anybody on that jury, do you think they could even define what President Trump is being charged with?
Because I don't think they can because no lawyer that I've had on TV can, including yourself, and you're a smart lawyer.
Yeah, I think that the crime they're trying to do is a crime that Michael Cohen admitted to himself and went to jail for, which is a crime of financial campaign fraud.
That is not what Donald Trump did.
He had hired a lawyer.
His lawyer was paid.
His lawyer sent an invoice every month.
The invoice said, hi, pay Michael Cohen, the lawyer who's been the lawyer for President Trump for X amount of years, the same as you would pay.
And it didn't even instruct it.
It said, here's how much I'm owed.
This is a retainer.
Thank you very much.
Please invoice and pay.
And that's what an accountant did at Trump Org, not President Trump who was in the White House in the Oval Office, running our country in a much better state than it's in right now.
And that's very important.
I'm not sure what he should have put it in as.
I would love to hear what they think he should have booked it as.
But the truth is the accountants themselves said they never spoke to President Trump.
They booked it like they've always booked lawyers' fees.
It's a legal expense.
It's what it is.
Let me ask you this.
In the aftermath of this, this, you know, I mean, he got his legs cut from, he got gutted yesterday, Michael Cohen, and humiliated on that stand.
Let me ask you this.
Do you believe, as Todd Blanche said, that he lied on the stand yesterday when he claimed in that 9 minute and 36-second call that in fact he talked to Keith Schiller and Donald Trump about this as he had testified two days prior?
Or did he lie under oath?
I can't speak about it.
I will say this, if we're asking the question, if there's smoke, there's a fire.
It's not a question.
I mean, look, I'll speak generally, Sean.
You don't put witnesses that have a history of being pathological, chronic liars who profit off of an individual defendant, and you don't put them as your key witness.
I mean, that's just a rookie mistake, okay?
Maybe I haven't practiced 50 years, but I've practiced 15 years.
That's just not something you do.
And it starts and stops there.
Do I think there's a problem?
I think there's a problem.
Look, he did it with my case.
We got him to admit it on the stand.
If they didn't learn from that case, that's on them.
But I think the desperation is clear, right?
You know, they had started a show and they had to finish the show, but it's going to go back in their face.
I truly do believe that.
Yeah, I think you're right.
And do you really believe now that this is going to be an acquittal?
I think it should be after yesterday, but I'm just, you know, but it's a New York jury.
I honestly think so.
I think that if it's not, like I said, there are appealable issues that are so clear that we wouldn't have an issue there.
So this case no longer is a concern for me, to be honest.
Well, unbelievable times.
We really appreciate you being with us.
You've been very generous with your time on both radio and TV throughout this whole process.
Alina Haba, thank you.
We appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
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He has a brand new book out this week.
It's on Hannity.com right now.
It's on Amazon.com.
And it's called The Perilous Fight.
And it is a new book about the disgusting weaponization of our Department of Justice.
You know, all the violence, all the crime everywhere.
And these, you know, spoiled brats of these Ivy League institutions waving their flags of hatred and virulent anti-Semitism, which I never thought that we'd see in my lifetime.
Unfortunately, we have.
But anyway, I got to tell you something.
These are incredible times, sadly, that we're living in.
It really is.
One of the things that is amazing as we watch all this unfolds, 13% of Democrats abandoning Joe Biden over the issue of Israel.
Wow.
Joe surrendered in the war on terrorism.
Joe basically has emboldened every terrorist organization, terrorist state in the world.
On top of that, he has abandoned our ally, Israel, in their hour of need after the worst terrorist attack in their history, based on their population versus ours.
It would have been the equivalent of 40,000 dead Americans in a day and 8,000 kidnapped and taken off American soil.
What part of that is Joe not getting?
You know, why is there moral ambiguity?
And why is there no moral clarity in all of this?
I don't quite understand it, to be honest.
It's sad to me, but it's the reality.
And anyway, but something is happening, and that is the country's shifting and the country is changing.
An amazing, you know, I've now seen two focus groups of African-American voters.
Now, every poll is showing Donald Trump up around 28% with the African-American community.
Donald Trump with Hispanic Americans has now pulled dead even with Joe Biden.
Young voters are abandoning Joe Biden in droves.
And there's a reason for it.
Anyway, there was a focus group of African Americans weighing in on Biden's performance.
It's on Fox News Digital, Foxnews.com.
If you want to take a look, I just want you to hear this.
Listen.
President Biden, I really feel like he's making everything harder for everybody.
Got everybody jumping through who says, do extra things.
He wants to make it seem as if he's for the blacks.
And he's not really because he hasn't really helped anybody.
And I don't like the fact that he's even sending weapons to Israel.
When it's people here that still need help, and I hate to say this, but people that are immigrants that's coming here, their friends ain't here, because I work in the medical field, they already have Medicaid, and it's people here that are still on the list waiting for it.
So, I think he's fine, but I think he's getting a little up to that age.
You know, so his incontinence is really not as quick as it was at first.
I feel like the black community don't really like Biden because, like, when I go on the streets and stuff, when I talk to my home, they don't really be by like, you know what I'm saying?
They say Biden really ain't do man.
They really, they really like Trump better.
I ain't gonna lie, because Trump had the money coming in, he had the stimulus test coming in, you know, so he could do a lot of under the table stuff with him.
But Biden, I feel like he'll get a bad, he got a bad rep. I liked him and what he stood for up until this whole thing with holicide.
That kind of messed it up for me in a lot of ways.
He came from humble beginnings, so I respect that because, like, Trump, he was born, raised, he was born into a rich family, things like that.
But Biden, he came up by himself, but also he's funding genocide.
So I don't really like that.
He could try again another time.
Yes, yeah, yeah, he could, you know, he could take a break, you know.
It doesn't make sense not to give someone else a try, you know.
And then they try to wrest Donald Trump, but they don't really have anything on him, you know.
I'm probably be the only black person to admit it, but I want Trump back.
I'm sorry.
I mean, last time I checked, who signed off on them stimulus packages?
He did.
Even though we didn't have the money to do it, it put us more in debt.
It didn't put us in debt.
It put the country in debt.
But we don't feel what the country debt is.
We don't.
We only feel it when we go buy some grapes and it says $17.
I like Trump.
Trump, what he is doing.
Trump has helped out a lot of people in the community, helped out a lot of black businesses.
And hey, I'm voting for Trump.
When before Trump got out of office, it was some money circulating.
And now the battle is in.
It's crazy.
I mean, not to say that it wasn't crazy, but other things, I'm saying financially, we had stimulus, we had self-employed tax credit, things of that sort.
President Trump, even though he might not be a good guy, like on the political side of things, he might show black people was good.
African-American people were good.
I mean, honestly, I like Trump.
Like, it was a lot going on in the news and the media.
So I see, like, I'm okay with Trump coming back.
He's just got his Warbucks, so he's just a genius.
I know, you know.
Anyway, joining us now, our friend Dr. Ben Carson is back with us.
The Perilous Fight, his new book out about the despicable, disgusting weaponization of our Department of Justice and violence, crime everywhere in every small town and big city, and these Ivy League brats waving their flags of hatred and virulent, repulsive anti-Semitism.
Very, very disturbing times.
Dr. Carson, how are you, my friend?
It's been a while.
Doing well, Sean, thanks for having me on.
And, you know, I wrote this book because I saw that we're in a perilous fight, like we were when those words were coined by Francis Scott Key.
The crucible of war, that's how we got our free country.
We had to fight for it, and it's at risk right now.
We've had 247 years where our Constitution has worked.
But, you know, when Benjamin Franklin came out of that Constitution Hall in 1787, he was asked, say, what do we have here?
A monarchy or a republic?
He said it.
Wait a minute.
Can I answer?
A quick, quick quiz, quiz.
Trivia.
A republic if he can keep it.
You got it.
And we've kept it for 247 years.
We're as close to losing it right now as we ever have been.
And I think the American people recognize that.
When you weaponize the Department of Justice to take out a political opponent, you become like Russia, like China, like a banana republic.
And John Adams, our second president, said our Constitution was designed for a moral and religious people and is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.
Well, we have any other right now.
You have this judge who clearly has conflict of interest, who won't recuse himself, who imposes a gag order on the defendant of all people, who's doing everything he can to aid this ridiculous suit.
It's pretty remarkable what we're watching unfold in New York City.
But I mean, everything that Donald Trump has been through, I mean, the three-year, you know, lies, conspiracy theories, and the Russia hoax that went on.
Add to that impeachment one over a phone call saying you better, you know, we expect you to be responsible with the money and not be corrupt like your predecessors.
Oh, big deal.
And add to that, what else is in your book?
You know, look at the violence in small towns and big cities.
Look at these anti-Semitic, you know, undereducated brats on our college campuses.
Absolutely.
And I make the point in the book that all of this is secondary to the cultural war on our American families.
That's where it all starts.
Those are the basic building blocks of the community, which is the building block of the nation.
And as we've destroyed that fabric, look what's happening to children.
When they don't get values passed down to them, when they don't learn to respect the opinion of other people, all of which occurs in the family structure, then they become like these kids that we see on the campus.
Also, they don't know history.
And of course, your history gives you your identity.
Your identity gives you your beliefs.
They don't have any solid beliefs.
So they become like leaves blowing in the wind.
And it's very easy to deceive them.
And also, every country, before it becomes Marxist, they dumb the population down.
That's in the process of happening in our culture right now.
You notice it when you see the man on the street interviews and they ask people simple questions.
How many branches of government are there?
How many Supreme Court justices?
What countries bordered the United States?
They don't know.
And if they don't know that, then it's very easy for somebody to come along and say, the southern border is fine.
We got it completely under control.
Even though millions of people are coming across, many of whom are terrorists.
And they say, oh, well, they said it was okay.
You know, you have to be pretty stupid to take that.
But that's what's happening to our culture.
And look what's happening in our schools.
You know, teaching people pronouns and to hate each other based on, you know, historical facts and historical distortions.
None of this is helpful to our country.
It's destroying our country.
But I wrote this book because I want people to see how deeply ingrained the enemy is and who the enemy is and why we must all be involved in this fight.
You can no longer sit back and just say, that person said we could observe this polling place, but we have to be way over there where nobody could see what's going on.
Or a hundred ballots came from the same address.
It's okay.
We've got to protect everybody's right to vote.
Signatures don't have to match.
I mean, all this crap.
Why does it go on?
Because we allow it.
We don't have to allow it.
And also, we have to learn how to vote.
We have to take advantage of the system as it exists.
And we have to know who those people are.
Most people just look for the name that looks familiar to them.
They don't know who the heck these people are and what their values are.
And we keep putting the same silly people in, and we keep getting the same results.
We have to get involved.
Everybody has to get involved in their sphere of influence.
All right, quick break more with Dr. Ben Carson.
His new book is out, The Perilous Fight.
We have a copy of it and a link on Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
You know, since October the 7th, the Israeli people, they have been living with a very harsh reality.
Hundreds of thousands have been displaced.
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They've been on the ground from day one.
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They really are.
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They're addressing all their urgent needs, and there are so many.
I mean, helping people with basics, food, water, housing, etc.
On top of that, they have these portable but effective emergency bomb shelters.
In every emergency bomb shelter is a kit that they put in there, and they literally have to place these kits with enough food, life-saving emergency supplies for 20 people.
I mean, these attacks are coming in fast and furious from both the North and the South, Hezbollah in the North and Hamas in the South.
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All right, we continue with Dr. Ben Carson.
His new book is out, by the way.
The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture Wars, War on the American Family.
Hannity.com, Amazon.com, Bookstores Around the Country.
Call this an inflection point for the country.
And, you know, I've been doing this a long time, Dr. Carson.
And I've said this before in other elections.
It's a tipping point election.
It's the most important election in our lifetime, but I really mean it.
I wrote the book in 2020, Live Free or Die, America and the World on the Brink.
And we've hit the on the brink part, sadly.
And I don't know if this country can survive open borders, no bail, defund, dismantle the police.
I don't think this country can survive the weaponization of our Department of Justice anymore.
I don't think we can survive America literally emboldening radical Islamic terrorists and surrendering in the war on terror and abdicating our role as the leader of the free world and the leader of the cause of liberty and freedom.
But that's where we seem to be headed.
And four more years is a disaster.
We have one minute left.
Well, you know, I make the point in the book that this is a long-term thing.
This is not of recent origin.
And January the 10th, 1963, in the congressional record, the 45 goals of Communism in America were read out.
And almost all of them had been accomplished.
And that's why Khrushchev said to Eisenhower, your grandchildren's children will live under our system.
It is all happening.
It is all planned.
We can survive, but it means we have to get involved.
We have to know what's going on.
We can't just rely on the way things have been in the past because they're very, very different.
And we have people who want to fundamentally change our country.
It reminds me of Hank Williams Jr.
Hank Williams Jr.
in his song, A Country Boy Will Survive after 9-11.
He did another version of it.
America will survive.
America needs to survive.
The world needs us.
But we've got to stand for something and something that's bigger than us.
And that is where Joe Biden, I think his biggest failure, moral failure has been here.
And that is surrendering in the war on terror on top of everything you write about in your great book.
It's called The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture Wars, Our Culture Wars, War on America and on the American Family, Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
Dr. Carson, always love having you.
Love hearing your voice.
Thank you, sir.
God bless you.
It's always good to be with you.
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