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Dr. Ben Carson - May 17th, Hour 2

 Dr. Ben Carson, author of the brand news book out this week, The Perilous Fight, joins us to talk about the disgusting weaponization of our justice system, the violence and crime everywhere and the spoiled IVY league brats waving their flags of hatred and antisemitism.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, uh, I I still can't get over what happened on the stand till Michael Cohn uh yesterday got completely totally just gutted and and this star witnessed absolutely destroyed.
You know, some things that we haven't really spent enough time on, calling DA Alvin Breg, a fearless leader.
Okay, really?
Uh saying Trump being processed brings me nothing but delight, saying that he played a role in the indictment of Trump, saying he absolutely hopes that Donald Trump ends up in prison, admits to calling Trump dumbass Donald being mentally excited about the trial.
I mean, this is kind of sick stuff.
Lying under oath to Congress, getting sentenced to two months in prison, being filed uh a fine fifty thousand dollars for lying to Congress.
By the way, you got years in prison, claiming the federal prosecution of him was the most unfair prosecution in the past hundred years, really.
Calling the judges and prosecutors in the case against him effing animals, lying under oath in front of a federal judge, feeling the outcome of of this trial impacts him personally.
I mean, you gotta be kidding me.
Encouraging people to delete their conversations with him.
You know, trying to get his sentence reduced repeatedly, wanting the role of White House chief of staff for ego purposes, uh having difficulty getting tickets to Trump's uh inauguration.
Oh, poor Michael.
Anyway, and uh all of this, and then of course the testimony of Robert Costello, but listen to the media and their shock over this.
For me, even with my strong feelings about Donald Trump, my knowledge of how he behaves, I couldn't today convict beyond a reasonable doubt.
Michael Cohen is just such a problematic figure.
It sort of casts lots of his testimony in doubt, given the passage of time, and makes the district attorney's office look terrible.
On cross-examination, uh lawyers want to kind of put the the uh the witness in a you know, build the box around the witness and then slam it shut.
That's what Todd Blanch did to to Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen was was cornered in what appeared to be uh a lie, I think to many in in the room.
It would be very hard for me to see a jury that would not have serious questions about Michael Cohen's credibility.
I don't think I've ever seen a star cooperating witness get his knees chopped out quite as clearly and dramatically as what just happened with Michael Cohen.
I think the punches are building cumulatively.
Uh I think Tuesday uh there were bruises and today there's blood, uh, to extend the metaphor.
Wow.
What else do you say about this?
Now, uh, you know, I hope that Robert Costello, I mean, he doesn't have a credibility problem.
I mean, uh, he had one of the most prestigious uh positions uh at the STNY, the the Southern District in New York ever.
I mean, this guy is the real deal serious uh prosecutor, lawyer, uh, in his own right.
I mean, he just totally was devastating to to Michael Cohn and his testimony before Congress this week by you know, claiming number one that uh Michael Cohn told him that, oh, he did this whole deal with Stormy Daniels, never told Donald Trump about it at all, you know, in in any way, shape, manner, or form, and admitted that he did all of this on his own, and how Bragg's office hid documents to provide to the grand jury when they're prosecuting.
I mean, this this is unbelievable stuff.
Alina Hava is with us, uh, legal spokesperson for President Trump.
Uh anyway, Alina, great to have you back.
Uh I don't know.
I mean, I've been comparing this to my cousin Vinny uh and and I I played in the last hour.
Uh I won't play it again.
Maybe I'll play it later in the last hour, but you know, that courtroom scene about position and uh these these marks were made by a nineteen sixty-three Pontiac Tempest.
It's a fact.
Is that a fact and an opinion?
You just can't make it up.
Um tell me what it was like from your perspective.
You were in the room.
I I have to admit, and I I usually can keep my composure, obviously, and I'm not part of this team.
I obviously oversee the the PAC team and all that, but um I I actually gave out like a a shocking because even me, who had myself taken Michael Cohen down to some extent uh in the attorney general case.
It was so beyond comprehension, the sloppiness, the corruption I saw, the failure of the DA to include evidence that whether they just didn't want to include it to the jury or they didn't want to include it to the witnesses.
There was obviously an intentional omission, which is very disturbing to me.
And the storyline, you know, there was one story told and then it changed.
And the end of the day, when you're watching this crumble in front of your eyes after fighting and I've been fighting with the president since he left the uh the uh white house and seeing the corruption firsthand and talking about it on TV or on the radio is one thing but Sean what I saw happen in court that day was such a relief and I hope to God the jury saw it, heard it.
I know they did.
I watched them um and you know I'd be shocked if they did anything other than uh acquit the president.
First of all he did nothing wrong.
Secondly you know this is a show and they bet on the wrong actors.
That's the truth of it.
Wow I mean it really they really really did and you would have thought they would have had this buttoned up.
Let's go to the issue that that Robert Costello had brought up and and and that is the issue of Alvin Bragg and the information and and the documents that were provided to the grand jury.
For example, they had full and complete access to all of all of the records of Robert Costello, but they only use what they wanted to use and that to me is like selectively looking at the evidence and kinda ignoring exculpatory evidence, isn't it?
A hundred percent that's my biggest concern here and while you know it's it's exciting to see a a person go down and all that um my concern really in that courtroom what made me give the aha moment was they created spreadsheets that just weren't accurate and they knew that they presented those to a court of law those did not include all text messages.
Those did not include all uh communications and they presented that as if that was the facts and that's called manipulation at the highest level and election interference at the highest level.
We can't forget and I'll I'll repeat it every time I go on TV or radio this case was not brought twice.
Not once but twice.
Two DAs, including this one, didn't want to bring this case because they looked at it, they looked at the evidence they had and they knew it was garbage.
But it was brought when he announced he was running for office.
We cannot be lost on the fact that that is what's happening.
And and I think that intentionally um excluding evidence from a jury is is literally preventing the American people from choosing who their president's gonna be it's not just about this case.
This is a future president we're talking about a former president.
This has not happened in our country ever before and now it's being done so crooked and so sideways that the American people are gonna have a real problem having faith in the justice system.
And if doing this to him they will do it to us.
Imagine if you're not Donald Trump, you don't have the press in there.
You know it's very scary well let me ask you this you were in the courtroom and and I have been very vocal that I've and I believe it to this day and I don't believe this has been a fair trial.
I think the judge should have recused himself this was a a misdemeanor the statute of limitations had passed.
The judge was conflicted his family's conflicted we brought up all of this convoluted legal theory all the things that we have discussed here.
And but yet it has gone forward a directive verdict would be the the right thing to do but this judge is not going to be capable of that.
So the jury's gonna get a hold of this you know but the venue is New York City where what nearly nine out of ten New Yorkers are registered Democrats and and voted against Donald Trump in 2020.
And I just feel he can't get a a fair trial in New York this has not been one.
I don't think you can get a fair trial in DC.
I don't think he'd get one in Fulton County Georgia and and the this is a huge problem that has existed from for the president from the very beginning.
Now with that said I mean, you're looking at the jury.
I I know it's hard to read a jury, but is it really that hard?
How did they react in the courtroom to this yesterday?
And where do you think they're leaning?
Yeah, I reserved comment on this before, as you know, and and I'll say that that day uh in particular yesterday was a little bit different.
And and I do think there was a reaction.
And I do think there were there was definitely nobody snoozing off, and there was nobody uh lost on what was happening.
And that's all we ask for.
Pay attention and see it.
And you know, for the first four and a half weeks, this trial was done by the prosecution, but now we get our turn.
And I I just want the American people to know the facts are on our side.
Number one, um, number two, as we've seen with Fulton County, as we've seen with all of these, the boxes and Jack Smith uh touching and messing up evidence that is key to his case.
We're seeing the crumbling and rapid fire diminishing of these people that were hired to go after Trump.
And if we don't have a strong jury that will put their ethics and morals outside of their politics, we'll have a problem because there is such a thing as Trump derangement syndrome.
And we are worried about that.
But I will say at this point, Sean, and I I I do honestly say this, and I didn't say it last week, but I'm saying it after yesterday.
We are going to be just fine because no matter what, the amount of tribal issues that happened here, the the motion for a mistrial that needs to happen after what we found out yesterday, the directed verdict that should happen if it's not granted.
The appealable issues we have are so strong at this point.
Um and uh I think it's really truly selective prosecution at this point.
It's obvious.
It's obvious.
Quick break more with President Trump's uh legal spokesperson and general counsel for the Save America Pack, Alina Haba, uh, will get to your calls.
Ben Carson coming up, and Senator Tommy Tupperville is uh from Alabama, was in the courtroom yesterday.
He'll join us.
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All right, we continue with Alina Haba.
She is, of course, the legal spokesperson for President Trump was in the courtroom yesterday.
Can we talk about obviously Bob Costello has to be called.
I would imagine because of the complication of the the laws involved and this you know the president has attorneys uh bringing in expert witnesses on federal election law that seems like a no brainer to me too although the judge is indicating what he's going to decide the law and only him the the the Biden donor judge who's conflicted and should have recused himself.
Yeah how about the FEC already investigated this okay this was done this is old news you know who the FEC fined Hillary Clinton for hiding a Russia hoax with through her lawyers that's who actually did this storyline has been played out and you know what she got 8,000 some odd dollars with the FEC after an investigation.
But Donald Trump no criminal investigation with a judge that should recuse.
Alina if you're paying for a legal expense and a deal negotiated listen to what Robert Costello's saying he said oh Michael Cone told me he did it did it on his own and your lawyer does this and then you you put it down as a legal expense paying your lawyer for his legal work tell me oh that's a crime it's not an NDA is not a crime.
What is the crime?
Can can anybody on that jury do you think they could even define what what President Trump is being charged with?
Because I don't think they can because no lawyer that I've had on TV can including yourself and you're a smart lawyer.
Yeah I I think that the crime they're trying to do is a crime that Michael Cohen admitted to himself and went to jail for which is uh a crime of financial and campaign fraud that is not what Donald Trump did.
He had a hired a lawyer his lawyer was paid his lawyer sent a an agreement sent a uh invoice every month the invoice said hi pay Michael Cohen the lawyer who's been the lawyer for President Trump for X amount of years the same as you would pay and it didn't even instruct it.
It said here's how much I'm owed this is a retainer thank you very much please invoice and pay and that's what an accountant did at Trump org not President Trump who was in the White House in the Oval Office running our country in a much better state than it's in right now.
And that's very important.
I'm not sure what he should have put it in as I would love to hear what they think he should have booked it as but the truth is the accountants themselves said they never spoke to President Trump.
They booked it like they've always booked lawyers fees it's a legal expense it's what it is let me ask you this in the aftermath of this this you know I mean he got his legs cut from he got gutted yesterday Michael Cohen and humiliated uh on that stand.
Let me ask you this do you believe as Todd Blanche said that he lied on the stand yesterday when he claimed in that ninety well minute and thirty six second call that in in fact he talked to Keith Schiller and Donald Trump about this as he had testified two days prior or did he lie under oath?
I I can't speak about it.
I will say this if we're asking the question if there's smoke there's a fire.
Um it's not a qu I mean look I'll speak generally Sean you don't put witnesses that have a history of being pathological chronic liars who profit off of an individual defendant and you don't put them as your key witness.
I mean that's just a rookie mistake okay maybe I haven't practiced 50 years but I practiced 15 years.
That's just not something you do and uh i it starts and stops there.
Do I think there's a problem I think there's a problem.
Look he did it with my case we got him to admit it on the stand.
If they didn't learn from that case that's on them but I think the desperation is clear right you know they had started they had started a show and they had to finish the show but it's gonna go back in their face.
I truly do believe that yeah uh I think you're right and do you really believe now that this is going to be an acquittal?
I I think it should be after yesterday but I'm just you know but it's a New York jury.
I I I honestly think so.
I think that if it's not like I said there are appealable issues that are so clear that we wouldn't have an issue there.
So this case no longer has is a concern for me to be honest.
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Uh anyway, uh, we welcome back to the program, our good friend Dr. Ben Carson.
He has a brand new book out this week.
It's on Hannity.com right now.
It's on Amazon.com, and it's called The Perilous Fight, and it is a new book about the disgusting weaponization of our Department of Justice.
You know, all the violence, all the crime everywhere, and these, you know, spoiled brats of these Ivy League institutions waving their their flags of of hatred and virulent anti-Semitism, which I I never thought that we'd see in in in my lifetime, unfortunately, we have.
Uh, but uh anyway, I gotta tell you something.
These are incredible times, sadly, that we're living in.
It really is.
Uh, one of the things that is amazing is we watch all this unfolds.
Thirteen percent of Democrats abandoning Joe Biden over the issue of Israel.
Wow.
Joe surrendered in the war on terrorism.
Joe basically is he's emboldened every terrorist organization terrorist state in the world.
On top of that, he has abandoned our ally Israel in their hour of need after the worst terrorist attack in their history, based on their population versus ours, it would have been the equivalent of 40,000 dead Americans in a day and 8,000 kidnapped and taken out of uh uh taken off American soil.
What part of that is Joe not getting?
You know, why is there no where why is there moral ambiguity and why is there no moral clarity in all of this?
I don't I don't quite understand it, to be honest.
It's sad to me, but it's the reality.
Uh and anyway, but something is happening.
And that is the country's shifting and the country's changing.
Uh an amazing you know, I've now seen two focus groups of African American voters.
Now every poll is showing Donald Trump up around twenty-eight percent with the African American community.
Donald Trump with Hispanic Americans is now pulled dead even with Joe Biden.
Young voters are abandoning Joe Biden and droves.
And there's a reason for it.
Anyway, there was a focus group of African Americans weighing in on Biden's performance.
It's on Fox News Digital, Fox News dot com if you want to take a look.
I just want you to hear this.
Listen.
Uh President Biden, um, I really feel like he making everything harder for everybody.
Yeah, there might jump through who just do extra things.
He wants to make it seem as if he's for the blacks, and he's not really because he hasn't really helped anybody.
Um and I don't like the fact that he's even sending weapons to Israel.
When it's people here that feeling helped.
And I hate to say this, but people that are immigrants that's coming here, they their friends are here, because I work in the medical field, they already have Medicaid, and it's people here that are still on the list waiting for it.
So I think she's uh fine, but I think he's gonna lit up the age.
You know, so his incontinence is really not as quick as it was at first.
I feel like the black community don't really like Biden because I when I go on the streets and stuff and I talk about homies.
They don't really be fucking by like that.
They say Biden really ain't doing that.
They really they really like Trump better.
I ain't gonna lie, 'cause Trump had the money coming in, he had the stimulus test going in.
You know, see to do a lot of what's the other undertable stuff with him.
But Biden would get a bad he got a bad round.
I like him and what he stood for up until this whole thing with Palestine.
That kind of messed it up for me in a lot of ways.
He came from humble beginnings, so I respect that 'cause like Trump, he was born raised, he was born into a rich family, things like that.
But uh Biden, he he came up by himself, but also he's funding genocide, so I don't really like that.
He could try again another time.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
He could you know he could take a take a break, you know.
It doesn't make sense not to give someone else a try, you know.
And then they they try to arrest Donald Trump, but they don't really have anything on him, you know.
I'm I'm probably the only black person to admit it, but um I want Trump back.
I'm sorry.
I mean, unless somebody check who signed off on them stimulus packages.
He did, even though he we didn't have the money to do it and put us more in debt, it didn't put us in debt.
Put the country in debt.
But we don't feel what the country debt is.
We don't.
You only feel it when we go buy some grapes, and they say 17 dollars.
Uh I like Trump.
Trump, what he is doing.
Trump has helped out a lot of people in the community, helped out a lot of black businesses.
And hey, I'm voting for Trump.
When before Trump got out of office, it was some money circulating.
And now the badness is in is crazy.
I mean, not to say that it wasn't crazy, but uh other things.
I'm saying financially, we had stimulus, we had uh self-employed tax fairly things of that sort of uh President Trump, even though he might not be a good guy, like on the political side of things, he might show black people was good, African American people were good.
I mean, honestly, I like Trump.
Like it was a lot like going on, like in the news and the media, so I see like I'm okay with Trump coming back.
He's just uh he's more bucks, so he's uh just uh he's just uh a genius.
Anyway, joining us now, our friend Dr. Ben Carson is back with us, the perilous fight, his new book out about the despicable, disgusting weaponization of our Department of Justice and violence, crime everywhere in every small town and big city, and these Ivy League brats waving their flags of hatred and virulent repulsive anti Semitism.
Very, very disturbing times.
Uh uh Dr. Carson, how are you, my friend?
It's been a while.
I'm Joe well, Sean.
Thanks for having me on.
And you know, I I wrote this book because I I saw that we're in a perilous fight, like we were when the when those words were coined by Francis Scott Key, the crucible of war.
That's how we got our free country.
We had to fight for it, and it's at risk right now.
Uh we've had two hundred and forty-seven years uh where our constitution has worked.
But you know, when Benjamin Franklin came out of that constitution hall in seventeen eighty seven, he was asked, sir, what do we have here?
A monarchy or republic.
He said Wait a minute.
Can I answer quick quick quiz quiz trivia?
Uh a republic if we can keep it.
Yeah, you got it.
And and we've kept it for two hundred and forty-seven years.
We're as close to losing it right now as we ever have been, and I think the American people recognize that.
When you weaponized the Department of Justice to take out a political opponent, you become like Russia, like China, like a banana republic.
And John Adams, our second president, said our constitution was designed for a moral and religious people, and is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.
Well, we have any other right now.
You have this judge who clearly has conflict of interest, who won't recuse himself, who imposes a gag order on the defendant uh of all people, um, who's doing everything he can uh to aid this ridiculous uh suit.
And it's it's it's pretty remarkable what we're watching unfold in New York City, but I mean, everything that Donald Trump has been through.
I mean, the three-year, you know, lies, conspiracy theories and and the the Russia hoax that went on, uh add to that impeachment one over a phone call saying you better, you know, we expect you to be responsible with the money and not be corrupt like your predecessors, oh big deal.
And add to that, what else is in your book?
You know, look at look at the violence in small towns and big cities.
Look at these these anti-Semitic, you know, uh uh uh undereducated brats on our college campuses.
Absolutely.
And I make the point in the book that all of this is secondary uh to the cultural war on our American families.
That's where it all starts.
Those are the basic building blocks of the community, which is the building block of the nation.
And as we've destroyed that fabric, look what's happening to the children.
When they don't get values passed down to them, when they don't learn to respect the opinion of other people, all of which occurs in the family structure, then they become like these kids that we see on the campus.
Also, they don't know history, and of course, your history gives your identity, your identity gives you your beliefs.
They don't have any solid beliefs.
So they become like leaves blowing in the wind.
It is very easy to deceive them.
And also every country before it becomes Marxist, they dumb the population down.
That's in the process of happening in our culture right now.
You notice it when you see the man on the street interviews, and they ask people simple questions.
How many branches of government are there?
How many Supreme Court justices, what countries bordered the United States?
They don't know.
And if they don't know that, then it's very easy for somebody to come along and say, the southern border is fine.
We got it completely under control, even though millions of people are coming across, many of whom are terrorists.
And they say, Oh, that well, they said it was okay.
You know, you have to be pretty stupid to to take that.
But that's what's happening to our culture, and look what's happening in our schools.
You know, teaching people pronouns and to hate each other based on, you know, historical facts and historical distortions.
None of this is helpful to our country.
It's destroying our country.
But I wrote this book because I want people to see how deeply ingrained the enemy is and who the enemy is, and we must all be involved in this fight.
You can no longer sit back and just say, um, that person said we could observe this polling place, but we have to be way over there where nobody could see what's going on.
Or a hundred ballots came from the same address.
It's okay.
We gotta protect everybody's right to vote.
Signatures don't have to match.
I mean, all this crap.
Why does it go on?
Because we allow it.
We don't have to allow it.
And also we have to learn how to vote.
We have to take advantage of the system as it exists.
And we have to know who those people are.
Most people just look for the name that looks familiar to them.
They don't know who the heck these people are and what their values are.
And we keep putting the same silly people in, and we keep getting the same result.
We have to get involved.
Everybody has to get involved in their sphere of influence.
All right, quick break more with Dr. Ben Carson's new book is out, The Perilous Fight.
We have a copy of it and the link on Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
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All right, we continue with Dr. Ben Carson.
His new book is out, by the way.
The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture Wars, War on the American Family, uh, Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
Call this an inflection point for the country.
And I, you know, I've been doing this a long time, uh uh, Dr. Carson.
And I've said this before in other elections.
It's a tipping point election, it's the most important election in our lifetime, but uh I really mean it.
I I I wrote the book in 2020, Live Free or Die, America and the World on the Brink, and we've hit the on the brink part, sadly.
And I r I don't know if this country can survive open borders, uh, no bail, defund, dismantle the police.
I don't think uh this country can survive the weaponization of our Department of Justice uh anymore.
I don't think we can survive America literally emboldening radical Islamic terrorists and surrendering in the war on terror and abdicating our role as the leader of the free world and and the leader of the cause of liberty and freedom, but uh that's where we seem to be headed.
If and if four more years is a disaster, we have one minute left.
Well, you know, I I make the point in the book that this is a long-term thing.
This is not a recent origin.
And January the tenth, nineteen sixty-three in the congressional record, the forty-five goals of communism America were read out, and almost all of them have been accomplished.
And that's why Christoph said to Eisenhower, your grandchildren's children will live under our system.
It is all happening, it is all planned.
We can survive, but it means we have to get involved.
We have to know what's going on, and We can't just rely on the way things have been in the past because they're very, very different.
And we have people who want to fundamentally change our country.
It reminds me of Hank Williams Jr.
Hank Williams Jr. in his song The Country Boy Will Survive.
After 9-11, he did another version of it.
America will survive.
America needs to survive.
The world needs us.
But we've got to stand for something and something that's bigger than us.
And that is where Joe Biden, I think, his biggest failure, moral failure, has been here.
Uh and that is surrendering in the war on terror, on top of everything you write about in your great book.
It's called The Perilous Uh Fight, Overcoming Our Culture Wars, Our Culture Wars, War on America and on the American Family, Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
Always love having you.
Love hearing your voice.
Thank you, sir.
God bless you.
That's always good to be with you.
Thank you.
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