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The Collapse of China - February 21st, Hour 2

Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China and The Great U.S.-China Tech War talks about the real threat of China and how truly unprepared we are for the fight ahead.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you want to be a part of the program, we still have a lot of fallout as it relates to America's relationship with the communist Chinese.
New York Post had an article today about how a top Chinese diplomat is on his way to offer aid to Russia in light, I guess, of Biden's trip with Zelensky into Ukraine.
And on the other side of that, you have Chinese diplomats telling Biden to butt out of all of it.
Just like we're getting lectured, you can't visit Taiwan.
Just like, you know, no problem at all if they want to buy up land, ranch land, farmland, land near military installations.
Vladimir Putin is blaming the West for starting war in Ukraine, which is a little bit ridiculous.
But putting all of that aside is we've got a new state of relations as it relates to China and the U.S. You have now China demanding that the U.S. abandon Taiwan and apologize for shooting down China's spy balloon over our airspace.
You have a Biden appointee under attack over ties to the Chinese intelligence.
JusttheNews.com has an interesting story about a group of Republicans now calling upon FBI Director Ray to investigate the Biden administration appointee over alleged connections to Chinese intelligence organizations.
And by the way, shockingly, the last name is not Biden.
But anyway, the bottom line is China says certain countries must stop fueling the fire in Ukraine, but it looks like they're showing every indication that they themselves may want to escalate what's going on in Ukraine.
Great Britain is making economic contingency plans in case China invades Taiwan.
That would be kind of like a surrender.
Gordon Chang is joining us, author of the coming collapse of China and the great U.S.-China tech war.
He is with us.
Sir, welcome back to the program.
Thank you so much, Sean.
So now it seems like that with Biden going to Ukraine, that the ties now that have been building now for quite some time between Russia and the communist Chinese are building even strong, getting even stronger as time goes on.
Am I wrong in that observation?
You're certainly not wrong, Sean.
What we see is the world dividing.
There is China and Russia as the core of a new axis.
Around it are Iran, North Korea, perhaps Algeria.
And then on the other side, you have the United States, its friends and partners, and most of the rest of the world.
Now, the Biden administration doesn't want to acknowledge this division.
And that means if you can't acknowledge what is obvious, you can't deal with it.
The problem here is that the Biden administration tries to continue talking to China in the belief that China will be constructive on issues that matter to the Biden administration, but that has not worked.
And matter of fact, Biden policies, I think, have made China even more aggressive for a number of reasons.
Okay, so we're watching the Communist Chinese, and they seem to be playing chess, and they're way ahead of us.
Where are they actually going here?
I have no doubt Taiwan is part of their geopolitical ambitions, territorial ambitions.
I think that is a fait accompli over time, and I don't think that America lifts a finger.
Is that next?
Or is their next step maybe to help the Russians in their conflict with Ukraine?
Well, the next step will be Ukraine, because the Chinese realize that this is where everything else gets determined.
If the United States does not protect Ukraine, then Xi Jinping, the Chinese ruler, is going to move on Taiwan or Japan or the Philippines or India or God knows where else, maybe even against us.
Xi actually believes that the United States is finished, that we are incapable.
And the only way to disprove that is to make it clear that Russia loses the Ukraine war.
That's very difficult for a lot of people here in the United States to understand.
And I can understand why, because we've got so many problems at home.
It's very expensive.
We're depleting our munitions.
But unfortunately, Ukraine is where history is going to be determined going forward.
If you want a historical analogy, think of it like Czechoslovakia.
Because in 1938, nobody really cared about Czechoslovakia, but Hitler then pocketed his gains there and then moved on to Poland.
And we know what happened on September 1st, 1939.
That's the beginning of World War II in Europe.
Let's look at the sheer dollars we gave.
So far, the U.S. has given Ukraine $67 billion in military aid, $20.4.4 billion in economic aid, $14.7 billion in humanitarian aid, $2.75 billion classified as other aid.
And if you look at the U.S. aid that we have provided, it has far surpassed the aid by other countries or the entire European Union.
And during his visit to Kyiv yesterday, Biden met with Zelensky, pledging another $500 million in aid.
Now, in March of 22, Zelensky was calling for fighter planes in a Zoom call with Congress.
Zelensky told lawmakers Ukraine needs the jets if they want to actually defeat Russia.
And he's asked numerous times thereafter.
But so far, Joe Biden has been steadfast in not allowing them to have the fighter jets.
Now, tell me, how do you expect to win a war against Russia?
If you're going to ask the American taxpayer to pay this insane amount of money and Europe doesn't pay their fair share and this is in their backyard, and yet there are some European countries that would offer fighter jets, why is Biden saying no?
That to me is a mystery because I think this war could have been won at a much, first of all, Biden could have prevented the war in the first place.
But once this war started, I think Ukraine needs, and I think if we did that, this war would be over a lot sooner.
Got to remember that the Europeans generally may like Biden, but they are not afraid of him.
And so therefore, they're not going to step up.
It took President Trump, actually, during his four years to get Europe to move closer to the idea of spending 2% of their gross domestic product on their militaries.
And this was movement in the right direction.
But under Biden, we seem to have slipped back a little bit, largely because they don't believe that he is going to enforce what needs to be done.
So it's $113 billion, but they're not allowing Ukraine to fight to win the war.
Because, you know, based on the munitions that are reported that Vladimir Putin and the troops now that he's moving back into Ukraine, it looks like this is going to be the biggest offensive so far in the war, you know, a year into this.
And if Biden is pledging, you know, another $500 million in aid on top of the $113 billion he's already given them, and they're only fighting at best for a standstill.
Why are we even there?
Why are we even participating?
That is a great question, Sean.
And for decades, we've had American policymakers who have not understood the meaning and the significance of victory.
They just try to manage situations to get through.
And because of that, bad actors sense that the United States is weak, and therefore they take us on.
If you have a victory, the bad actors will slink away.
We've seen this so many times in our lifetimes, where one good event triggers others.
And we saw that, for instance, in the Reagan era.
But also at this moment, we know that it's the destructive forces that are driving events.
And so therefore, again, you know, you go back to your point.
You need to have a victory.
And if you do that, then we can sort of salvage the situation.
If we can't, Xi Jinping is going to see that he can then move on Taiwan or some other victim.
And as I mentioned, that other victim could actually be us in different ways.
So for instance, Guam is sovereign U.S. territory.
The Chinese understand that if they invade Taiwan, they need to take Guam out.
They also need to take out American bases in Okinawa, which is part of Japan.
So yes, I do believe that we will be targeted.
In December, a Chinese Navy fighter approached within 10 or 20 feet, depending on whom you believe, of an unarmed U.S. Air Force reconnaissance plane in international airspace over the South China Sea.
That's extremely dangerous.
So the Chinese are not afraid of us because they believe that the administration is incapable.
We've been watching for decades the communist Chinese build up the military might.
Have they surpassed us in your view militarily and we just don't know it yet or only certain people know it?
I think that on balance, the American military is more capable.
But they do have a larger Navy in China and a newer Navy.
They have some weapons that we don't have, and those weapons categories are critical.
So for instance, hypersonic glide vehicles, they're far ahead of us.
Also, cruise missiles, supersonic cruise missiles that can take out our ships.
These are weapons that we don't have counters for.
And also, I think that China is probably ahead of us in terms of space-based weapons.
And this is ridiculous because we developed the technology for these weapons, but didn't develop them because we thought that if we exercised restraint, the Chinese and the Russians would do so as well.
And of course, neither Moscow nor Beijing exercise restraint, and that means we're now behind.
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is the sean hannity show all right let's assume a new axis of evil is being formed That would be an include.
China and Russia are number one and number two geopolitical foe, but it also includes Iran, doesn't it?
And are there any other countries that will join this unholy alliance?
You'd have North Korea for sure.
Pakistan has become a Chinese dependency.
Algeria is very close to both Russia and China.
And that's important because Morocco is a long-time American friend, the first country to diplomatically recognize the United States of America, by the way.
So, yes, there are other countries that...
I think most Americans would agree with me is that we're throwing good money after bad in Ukraine and at best we're fighting for a stalemate.
We're not fighting for a win.
And by taking that posture, it's being viewed as a sign of weakness by the communist Chinese.
And now they themselves may involve themselves with that conflict, helping and assisting and aiding and abetting Russia.
And I assume if they aid Russia, they're going to aid Russia to the point where they're going to win the war.
And there's not going to be a question about whether or not fighter jets will be flying over Ukrainian airspace and maybe then even into Poland or other European countries.
Yes, well, China is already providing lethal assistance to Russia.
And the Biden administration doesn't want to acknowledge that.
The Chinese have been doing this from the very first moments of the war.
So if you remember, Ukrainian military was using Chinese-built drones.
Well, China knew the location of the Ukrainian drone operators, and they fed that information to Russia, which then took out the Ukrainians.
That's lethal.
And of course, China has been selling drones to the Wagner Group.
And there are reports in the Washington Free Beacon by Ruben Johnson of Breaking Defense that almost daily there are Antonov AN-124s, the largest cargo planes in the world, are taking off almost daily from Zhangzhou in China to Russia.
And they're carrying ammunition and other supplies.
And as well, Johnson reports that the Russians are turning off their transponders, which means that they know they're involved in a guilty transaction with the Chinese.
But we also know that the Iranians have been providing drones and other military equipment as well, right?
Yes.
And North Korea has been supplying, we believe, ammunition to Russia.
And that really completes the Axis.
What is the benefit to these other countries to aid Russia in this conflict?
What do they get out of it?
They get China's support.
Iran's regime right now is in fragile state.
China supports it.
The same is true with North Korea, where the North Korean regime couldn't survive without financial and food assistance from Beijing.
And also, China's been supplying nuclear weapons technology and missile technology to both of them.
So they do get substantial assistance.
And of course, Russia has now become almost a Chinese client state.
And so China gets to destabilize the world, gets to draw us away from paying attention to East Asia, and gets many other benefits by trying to take down the international system, which, by the way, Sean, has been in place since 1648.
China will get rid of it.
Where would you predict China's invasion of Taiwan?
It could happen at any time.
I can't tell you what's in Xi Jinping's mind, only he can do that.
But I do know he's, in fact, preparing for war.
He's engaged in what we've just talked about, which is the fastest military buildup since the Second World War.
He's trying to sanctions Puthus regime, and he's mobilizing China's civilians for war.
And of course, as we know, they're flying spy balloons over the United States and more than 40 other countries with no consequences.
I got a roll.
Gordon Chang, appreciate your insight.
As always, thank you, sir.
Scary scenario.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and, frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Napok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco Benghazi.
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David, we'll start with you.
David, you're on the Sean Hannity show.
Welcome aboard, sir.
Glad you called.
Thank you, Sean.
It's an honor to share my thoughts with you.
Listen, real quick, these unidentified objects that they're supposedly shooting down here.
So what they're telling us, there's no connection with China, right?
There's no connection with us.
No, they're not saying that.
You're talking about the other three, not the Chinese spy balloon.
Correct.
Yeah, they don't know what they shot down.
They have not identified to us what they shot down.
We believe one of the items was from a balloon hobby group, and it was like anywhere between a $20 and $140 contraption that they built, and a $400,000 missile was used to shoot that down.
That's what we suspect.
Right.
No other private parties have spoken up, right?
I would assume they'd know where their stuff is if that was what it was.
So my thoughts here are: it's either aliens, right, who have mastered intergalactic travel and just so happen to get shot down by a missile.
Well, NORAD has not ruled that out.
Let us be on the record.
Yes.
Yeah.
Hey, and if that's the case, then wow, we got a lot.
Scenario a little bit different, but I get the principle of what you're saying.
My take is they took so much heat and there was so much embarrassment associated with the spy balloon that was allowed to fly over Alaskan airspace down the west coast of Canada into Idaho across the prairie,
if you will, into Montana over our ICBM missile sites and missile silos down through the central part of the country with Kansas and Missouri up to Kentucky and out to the Carolinas where it eventually got shot off the coast of Myrtle Beach, I believe about six miles out.
I think it caused such humiliation and embarrassment.
They were just in a hypersensitive mode.
I mean, it almost writes itself.
It's like the gang that can't shoot straight here.
They didn't handle the first incident properly, and then they overreacted and started shooting anything and everything, even things they didn't identify down, which is insane to me.
Yep.
Well, it's either one of the two.
I mean, unless anybody else wants to speak up on it being some of theirs, I mean, I really don't see how anything higher intelligence than we are is going to let something going 2,000 miles an hour just get shot down in tandem like that.
One, two, three, right?
So let's hope.
I think if somebody owned it, they would have claimed ownership of it by now.
And I think they ended up shooting down things that were absolutely meaningless, and we wasted a fortune and looked stupid doing it.
Yeah, that's most likely what it is.
And obviously, it's a great distraction, right, with everything else going on.
Come to daddy government, and we'll protect you no matter at the cost.
Just forget about everything else going on, guys, right?
Yeah, good call, David.
Appreciate it.
We'll stay in the free state of Florida.
This time, Chet is with us.
Chet, you're on the Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
Sean, thanks for your voice, for what you do.
Thanks, buddy.
What's going on?
Well, I got to, just before I get to our chat, David was there, and my name is Chet.
Reminds me of the 60s and 70s.
Good night, David.
Good night, Chet, David Untley and Chet Brinkley.
That'll take a few people in this audience back a decade or two, but go ahead.
Anyway, my thoughts are something I haven't heard yet, and that's about the Chinese balloon.
And Millie, okay, pardon me.
Biden said that when he first told him to shoot it down, the Pentagon told him not to because of the people getting hurt.
Now, here's my point.
Biden, I'm sorry, Millie called his counterpart in China and said, look, if Trump wants to attack, I will call you and notify you, which to me is treason.
I'm an ex-military Air Force air traffic control specialist, so I know what can fly up there and what we can do.
So with that being said, was it Millie who told Biden not to shoot it down?
And if so, I have to wonder about Millie's where his loyalties ride.
If he's going to defend China in both scenarios, I'm finding that hard to understand.
Look, I'm a Trust for Verify guy.
And what they're telling us is that from the very beginning, Biden ordered the balloons shot down.
This is the Chinese spy balloon.
This is the first one.
And that he was told by the military that it could be dangerous, that debris could fall to the earth, and that innocent people could be injured.
And therefore, he allowed the military to use their best judgment.
That's what he's saying.
However, that's contradicted by the other three incidences, or at least two of the three space where human beings were on the ground.
So it kind of took away the lie.
I think they don't believe Biden when he and then they became trigger happy and started shooting anything and everything that they saw in the sky down, whether they identified it or not.
So I'm not sure.
I'm very dubious of this explanation that that's why they didn't shoot down this Chinese spy balloon.
In other words, I think they're lying.
I don't think they're telling the truth.
100%.
But like I say, you know, if those orders, I mean, the suggestion came from Millie again.
I mean, if you look up the word treason, it says giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Okay, if I'm going to attack you and my top general is going to call you and let you know about it, I'm sorry, but that's giving aid to the enemy.
It's certainly unprecedented.
And I would think under any normal circumstances, any general that would tip off an enemy would be in trouble.
What was interesting to me that prior to Biden's, quote, surprise, unannounced trip to Ukraine that he tipped off the Russians, they told Russia that Joe was going because they didn't want Russia to kill Joe or to have an indiscriminate, at least Vladimir Putin knew about the trip.
The only surprise came to the media because they didn't get the same tip-off that Joe gave Vladimir Putin.
How you want to interpret that is up to you.
I don't have words for that.
Last thought is when you said the general being unprecedented, I think of one other general, and that's Benedict Arnold's close personal friend of Washington, and yet he was tipping off the British on everything.
Scary times.
I'll tell you, I don't have faith when you have a weak commander-in-chief.
You know, God only knows what the truth is.
They're willing to lie.
We know they lie regularly.
We know Joe Biden lied about his relationship with his own sub.
Brian, how are you?
Hi, Sean.
Good to talk to you.
I just wanted to bring up what you had just finished off that last conversation with, is all the corruption that we know from the Biden crime family with Ukraine.
Why is Congress letting Joe Biden make any decisions about Ukraine when it's a conflict of interest with all the personal dealings he's had with them?
Well, they haven't gotten to the bottom of all of it yet, but it's fairly easy to get to the bottom of.
If you even go back to the Trump impeachment, we had Joe Biden on video before the Council on Foreign Relations bragging how he withheld a billion taxpayer dollars and demanded the Ukrainians fire the prosecutor, Shokin.
We're not going to give you the billion dollars.
They said, you have no authority.
You're not the president.
The president said, I said, call him.
I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars.
I said, you're not getting a billion.
I'm going to be leaving here.
I think it was, what, six hours?
I looked.
I said, I'm leaving in six hours.
If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money.
Oh, son of a ⁇ got fired.
And this was the guy that we now know is investigating his son, Hunter, who is being paid millions and goes on Good Morning America, admitting he had no experience in energy, oil, gas, coal, or Ukraine.
So to me, that was leveraging a billion taxpayer dollars just for the benefit of the Biden family syndicate.
And yet nobody cared about that quid pro quo.
That just shows how corrupt the media is and how corrupt Democrats are, because that was a far more egregious example of a quid pro quo than anything Donald Trump might have said to Zelensky about being responsible with American money during the phone call with Zelensky.
Yeah, that all proves the connection of the personal interest done through Congress because of his personal interest, the conflict of interest in Ukraine.
So why else would he be throwing all these billions of dollars at Ukraine other than maybe to just hush him up so they don't out him or all of his corrupt dealings?
Listen, $113 billion is an awful lot of top getting, as we were talking about with Gordon Chang, you know, from the likes of the communist Chinese and North Korea and Iran and elsewhere.
And, you know, to the extent that the media cares about Biden family corruption, they have shown no appetite at all.
The only thing they care about is bludgeoning Donald Trump and any other Republican.
It doesn't matter what their name is.
And, you know, it doesn't get any more political than that.
I mean, it's the greatest example of a real quid pro quo that you could ever have.
And yet, you know what?
It didn't move anybody, not even during the impeachment, over the issue of a quid pro quo with Ukraine.
Shows how corrupt they all are.
Appreciate the call.
Thanks, Brian.
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Mike is in Michigan.
Mike, how are you?
Glad you called.
How you doing, Sean?
I'm good, man.
What's going on?
Sean, look at it.
We all know as long as Biden keeps funding the Ukraine war, it's going to continue.
It's a proxy war.
We all know that.
It's pretty much like Vietnam.
But the thing of it is, like you said, he's going to keep sending our harder and text dollar, right?
And then, you know, blowing us off like he did down in Ohio.
And then we're going to turn around and give them this money.
It's not going to end.
I've seen this in Vietnam, Sean.
I missed it by the skin of my teeth in 72.
They started out, they're going to help, send a few guys.
10 years later, we got 70,000 soldiers gone.
It's just, he is a total failure to our country.
Look, I'm just looking at the sheer amount of money.
It is breathtaking.
$113 billion so far.
And as of yesterday, a pledge of even more money coming from Biden.
And then I look at Europe's contribution, which is far less.
This is their problem way more than it's our problem.
I understand the importance of taking a stand for human life.
But if Europe is going to have a long, protracted, drawn-out conflict with Russia with no intention of ever trying to win the war, then I don't think the United States should be participating in that.
And right now, Joe Biden himself has made the decision repeatedly not to give the Ukrainians the weaponry that would actually win the war.
And if that's the case, you know, we're now involved in a long, protracted conflict and a battle that we're not going to win because they have no intention of winning it.
And with the help of China and the help of the Iranians and the help of the North Koreans, in all likelihood, Vladimir Putin's going to end up winning anyway because they're not giving the weapons of war that would be needed to actually beat Vladimir Putin.
Putin could have been defeated in this conflict had they taken it seriously from the beginning.
Then the question is about further Russian expansionism and the other geographic ambitions that they may have.
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