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Dec. 28, 2018 - Sean Hannity Show
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Guest Host Jonathan Gilliam

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Quite often during the Christmas vacations, you can tell my voice is a little scratchy, but I like to think it's more like Barry White today.
Because I, over Christmas, yes, that's right, I slept about 16 hours each day because I was on prescription cough medicine.
Now I'm back, I'm healthy, and I'm ready to talk about some incredible news today, some stuff that's been going on.
I mean, we all know, you know, what's interesting about the news is things happen, and it's not a surprise anymore how vicious the news is or how ridiculous it is in the way that it's reported.
I'm sitting right here looking at an article on FoxNews.com about Jim Carey and how he is calling Trump supporters loyal zombies.
This is coming from a guy who is the biggest robot and says everything that he believes, he thinks he's enlightened and everything that he is saying is a complete repeat of what other people say before him.
And that's the way it is 2018.
If I have to put into a category when it comes to liberals and the way, and I hate saying this, folks, I hate saying it because I did, you know, I've been doing my own show in the evenings on social media called The Experts for a long time.
And a friend of mine's mom or aunt was watching one time, I think it was her aunt, and she said, and she's liberal.
They live in California.
And she said that she didn't really appreciate the fact that I kept milking in liberal ideology with leftists.
And I get that.
I actually do get that.
And I appreciate the fact that she said that.
And I actually asked her to tell her, Aunt, to watch again so that I could make sure that she didn't feel ostracized.
So I could explain that to her.
But this is what I have to explain to liberals, not just leftists.
I have to explain this to liberals this year, is that 2018 actually is the year when the nonsense of the leftist, the ideologies of the left, the tactics, techniques, and procedures, if you will, of the left came into full swing and has overtaken liberals and their minds and the way that they approach things.
Now, there's plenty of ways to solve most problems in the world and in this country.
Quite frankly, I'm more concerned about this country right now.
But I don't expect everybody to come at it like saying, I belong to this political party.
I only believe in these solutions.
That is nonsense, right?
You're never going to find in any operational capacity, whether it's in military, in law enforcement, or in business or in medicine, you're never going to hear somebody say, it has to be treated this way.
The operation has to be carried out this way.
It must, because that's the way we believe.
I mean, if you fight wars like that, or if you treat diseases like that, or if you have a doctor that you go to and he says, well, I belong to this train of thought, and this is the only thing that we, the only way that we treat this, you need to get away from that doctor.
And the same thing goes in military and law enforcement.
You have to be flexible.
And that's the problem I have with political parties is the fact that they're not flexible.
We believe in this and we believe in this.
And they never go outside the box.
Most everything I do is outside the box.
And I'm okay with that.
And so what's happened now in 2018 to the left is that people who I've known for a long time who are liberal have now, they have literally subscribed to the mindset of these far leftists, and it's become mainstream, so mainstream in their terminology that it's leaked its way over into the right.
And I even hear people coming back, veterans coming back from overseas, looking at the news and saying, well, you know, in the case we'll talk about Eddie Gallagher, Navy SEAL, who's been what I believe is wrongly charged and held in the brig in California since September 11th.
Why would they arrest a guy on September 11th?
We're going to talk more about this later, but it's gotten to a point now where the terminology for people coming back, and I've talked to people in the military, I've had people call in on radio shows and they say, well, that was a non-combatant.
That was a civilian.
We're talking about an ISIS, a member of ISIS, who everybody else that he was fighting with was killed except for this particular person.
And they're calling the prosecution in the case is calling that person a non-combatant.
I mean, this is leftist ideology.
And it's gotten to a point where even not just liberals, but conservatives are using these terms.
The media is using these terms.
And 2018 has been the progression of this to the point where this nonsensical type of thinking that's on the far, far left, further than anybody that I know, this radical thinking on the left has leaked its way into mainstream terminology.
And 2019 has to be the year where the citizenry of this country says, all right, listen, we've got to start looking for effective solutions.
And we have to stop.
We have to stop allowing radicals and radical ideologies to secrete their terminology and their rage into our minds.
Media needs to really clamp down on this stuff.
You know, I love Drudge and Foxnews.com.
And the way they treat, for instance, now we have a mass killing, a lot of the times they will not say the name of the killer.
I agree with that.
Well, I think they need to start doing the same thing with stories like about Jim Carrey.
You know, don't even report that story.
Jim Carrey, listen, it may be a little salacious to put it on the headline, but don't put it up there.
You're going to get just as many clicks.
People are going to watch just as many shows.
Just leave that stuff off there because you know what?
Jim Carrey and so many of these people on the left are irrelevant.
What Jim Carrey wakes up and thinks about or does from the time he wakes up to the time he goes to bed makes no difference in your life or mine.
And I think 2019 should be the year when we finally say enough is enough.
No more of this spin that gets people so frustrated.
Let 2019 be the year where certain media outlets, we can never count on CNN or MSNBC or these other outlets to ever do this, but certain news outlets should say, okay, enough.
Let's do what we can.
Forget about whether or not something is fake news or real.
Let's stop putting stuff out there, printing it, putting it online that's going to enrage people.
That is just opinion for people who don't affect the country whatsoever, like Jim Carrey.
Don't even put it on there.
And then for the people, for the citizens of this country, what you have to do is start turning that off.
Don't click on it.
Don't look at it.
Don't even worry about what the view said or Joey Behart or Jim Carrey or any of these people.
It doesn't matter in your life.
Literally, in the time you could click on that story and read it, you literally have lost.
I want you to think about this.
You have lost time in your life that you could go out and actually do something, touch somebody's life, Pet a dog.
Smile.
Take a hot bath.
I don't know.
Anything that brings you joy or helps other people, you've wasted it by sitting and looking at something.
You know, next time, instead of looking at a story about Jim Carrey or somebody like that, if you're on Twitter or something, just tweet out, I hope everybody has a nice day.
You're never alone if you have depression.
Just tweet something out like that.
I'm here for you.
And just go on with your life.
Don't worry about what these people think and say.
You know, I was having an incredible conversation with several people last night.
I got to see my good buddy Louis Gomer after he hosted this show yesterday.
I love that guy.
If all people in Washington, D.C. were like Louis Gomer, you know what would be the case?
We wouldn't be hearing about politics every day.
We'd just be living and having solutions in government.
There wouldn't be a shutdown.
But unfortunately, we don't have that.
Louis is the exception, not the norm.
But I got to have a great conversation with him last night and Kylie and Carrie Pickett, who's an amazing reporter.
And I was talking about how I wrote a story for Hannity.com a while back about mainstream media and they have no more right to be in the White House than we do.
You can't just go up to the White House and say, hey, I want to ask the president some questions.
You go and try to do that.
See what happens.
You're going to be questioned for being crazy.
You're not going to get in there and they're not going to give you your own room, right?
Or you could say, I own a big business, right?
I own a big business.
I'm an important person.
I'd like to go in there and ask questions about the economy.
You're not going to get to do that.
So why should a media outlet that is nothing more than an information collection business be allowed in the White House, be allowed in the Defense Department, be allowed in the State Department, in any of these federal agencies?
Well, here's what they say.
I'm not even going to say his name, but the knucklehead who yelled at Sarah Huckabee Sanders telling her she needed to do her job one day when she cut the press conference short.
I tweeted out to him.
He tweets back at me with some asinine response about how I don't know what I'm talking about.
Well, I'll tell you, I do know what I'm talking about, okay?
Because that guy, like most people in media, have never done anything more than pick up a pen, go to college, some of them haven't even gone to college, and secrete their opinion everywhere that they can.
There's no reporting anymore.
Very, very little.
Catherine Harridge is probably one of the few.
Harry Pickett's one.
But what most journalists do now is they report as per their ideology.
They don't look for the truth.
They look for the truth from their perspective.
And so they are companies that collect information and report information from their ideological advantage.
And if it was true seekers, true Americans that just wanted answers, I could understand people being able to ask and seek for questions.
But here's the reality about media.
This is the way media works.
Majority of information that is collected by journalists and reported is done through sources and methods.
They have ways of collecting information.
They scour the internet.
They scour social media.
They collect bits and pieces until they put together what they think is a picture of something.
They have sources all through government.
They get information leaked to them by people that are loyal to them.
And what you see them doing is putting together pictures that they believe are the truth or that they want other people to see so they'll believe is the truth.
But regardless, they use sources and methods.
Sitting in an agency and sitting in a room in an agency does nothing, very, very little in most cases.
And it would be much better if the president across the board in the White House, in the DOD, in the State Department, in all these, CI never really gives briefs, but in all these agencies, if they say no more press credentials.
What we're going to do from now on, and I know because I did a show every night for over two years, still do it every now and then, called the experts.
I simulcast it through restream.com on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube.
Every night, I was getting up to reaching a million people on Facebook.
And I'm just some guy who put together the stuff by learning it in my apartment.
The agencies and their press secretaries should be doing this.
Just stream your press conferences, allow people to sign up, and I'm not just talking about the media.
Allow people to sign up and then they're held to a set of standards.
And if they violate those standards, then they're kicked off never to come back on.
But they can ask all the questions that they want.
Then the press secretaries can sit there and look through and answer the questions.
And then if media wants to press them further, when the president moves from one place to another, then they can ask him those specific questions.
But by and large, like I said before, most of the reporting doesn't come from these press conferences.
It comes from the sources and methods that they use, mostly sources.
This is an easy solution.
A very simple solution.
And one that technically or technologically, we are capable of doing now.
So folks, listen, I'm going to take a break.
I'm going to come back and talk some more about this.
But this really does enrage me.
I think 2019 could be a year where we start putting the pressure on government and on news agencies to start giving us the news, start giving us the answers.
Don't give us the spin.
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Folks, listen, I really want you to concentrate and I want you to think about while we go on another break.
I want you to think about the fact that your life and how much of your life in 2018, how much of the anger that you felt, how much of the time that was consumed in your life was done so because of the emotion that media spins up on a daily basis, because of the way politicians and media have come together to create echo chambers.
Think about that.
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Listen, I'm a little fired up today, folks.
I talked about this earlier in the week on another show on SiriusXM Patriot channel.
And the 26th of December is always the day when things get really good.
It's not necessarily January 1st or January 2nd when you go back to work after New Year's.
The reality is, folks, is that the day after Christmas, things change in this world and in this country.
Things go back.
I challenge you next year if you can do this, if you live in the city.
Get up, go out, get some coffee, and sit and watch how ridiculous people act.
A lot of them are rushing to get back to work.
They're picking up their routines again.
People aren't watching out where they're going again.
They're back in their phones.
They're already forgotten about their presence and the family that they have talked to or the arguments they had.
And they're back in the grind.
People having road rage again.
It's pretty amazing to watch, actually.
And it's a shame that we can say that the Christmas season is great.
And I'm Christian, so I, you know, and I love celebrating the birth of Jesus and what it all stands for.
But what I don't like is this shift, this robotic shift every year into the giving mode or the good mode.
And if you've noticed how great things work in the month of December, the way people get along and they do things for each other, I mean, there's still bad things that happen, you know.
But overall, people soften up a little bit and they start to think a little bit further beyond their own personal bounds.
And then when December 26 rolls around, boom, it changes again.
And I kept thinking about this as I've talked about this extensively.
kept thinking about, again, how 2019 could be different.
You know, as the media and politicians enrage us on a daily basis with ridiculous reporting.
Here's another thing, ridiculous reporting about things like President Trump goes to see the troops in Iraq and then over in Germany.
Fantastic.
If that was Obama, the media would be going crazy.
But what do they do?
CNN comes out and says that he broke the law by signing mega hats, Make America Great Again hats that the troops were handing him.
I mean, come on now.
You're going to go after the president for signing a hat?
This is how ridiculous that they've gotten.
You cannot, I challenge you.
Everybody talks about the fact when I host, I've had several people tweet in here.
They say they should do a drinking game.
Every time I mention my book, they should take a shot.
Don't do that.
I'm not recommending that because I'm going to mention my book a lot, right?
I don't have my own show.
I'm only on here for a limited amount of time.
It's very important.
I'm not just saying this to get book sales.
This is something that I have offered the country and parts of the world, but the country where you can gain empowerment and knowledge.
That's why I push this book so much.
I have a limited amount of time to push it.
And I really do want you to get it so you can see what can happen.
But getting back to this, when I challenge you to turn on CNN or MSNBC.
And I had a Twitter person tweet out a second ago saying, why don't you ever criticize Fox?
I criticize Fox plenty.
It's just that whoever this is only listens to this show so they can criticize whatever Sean says.
But I criticize Fox too.
I just said earlier.
I don't think Fox should have stories about Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey's irrelevant.
I don't think that they should put up stories about how ridiculous of an accusation that CNN says that President Trump signing mega hats is illegal.
That's not even really news.
And I challenge you.
You really want to know how extreme this has gotten.
Turn on CNN.
Turn on MSNBC for two minutes and count how many times they say Trump.
They're not going to be covering any other stories.
Maybe if it's a breaking news story, they'll hit it for a second.
Then they're going to go right back to Trump.
It's ridiculous.
And people that turn that on and leave that on in the background, you are, if you're liberal and you're listening to this show and you're angry right now, you have been indoctrinated.
You have been consumed by media because there's really no reason for us to be this angry.
There's no reason for you to be that angry at President Trump.
If you take a step back, and I've had people that I know try to argue with me about this, and I say, take a step back for a second.
First of all, the anger, it doesn't, president after president after president, people get so angry.
Bush was in office.
Oh, they're so angry.
Obama's in office.
Oh, they're so angry.
There's very little outward things that are going to affect you on a daily basis by the president.
It's really the Congress and their inability to act.
That's really what does affect you on a daily basis more than anything.
You think the shutdown is caused because of President Trump?
President Trump may be sticking by his gun and saying, I'll take the hit on this shutdown.
But the shutdown is happening because he's standing his ground for national security.
And it's the Congress that's refusing to act on national security.
It's Congress.
Go back and listen to that press conference that they had in the Oval Office when the president did what I think is one of the most remarkable things in leadership that I've seen in my lifetime in politics.
One, where he brought in a congressional leader and a Senate leader and said, we're going to do this now.
We're going to hear this out now.
And they say, well, we need to do this in private.
And he kept saying the people want transparency.
He knew there's nothing classified about a wall.
If you put a wall across the southern border of the country, how are you going to classify that?
If it's not classified, talk about it in front of the people.
Say why you don't want it.
Say why you do want it.
Flesh it out.
And he did that.
And what did they do?
They were shell-shocked.
They didn't know how to act.
And I loved it.
And then he turns around and he stole their fire because he said, if you don't give us what we want on the wall, I will shut the government down.
One thing I think we can agree on is we shouldn't shut down the government over a dispute.
And you want to shut it down.
I am not talking about it.
The last time, Chuck, you shut it down.
No, no, no.
And then you opened up quickly.
I don't want to do what you did.
20 times you have called for I will shut down the government if I don't get my woe.
None of us, if you want to know something, you want to put that in.
You said it.
I'll take it.
Okay, good.
You know what I'll say?
Yes.
If we don't get what we want, one way or the other, whether it's through you, through a military, through anything you want to call, I will shut down the government.
Okay, that's fair enough.
And I am proud, and I'll tell you what.
I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don't want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country.
So I will take the mantle.
I will be the one to shut it down.
I'm not going to blame you for it.
The last time you shut it down, it didn't work.
I will take the mantle of shutting down.
And I'm going to shut it down for border, but we believe you shouldn't shut it down.
Another thing that Chuck, see, that, folks, is true leadership.
That's owning, that's owning the leadership position.
That's taking it and saying, listen, this has to be done.
If you don't want to do it, I'm going to stand against you.
And I had a big argument with somebody the other day in the office because they kept saying that all the president has to do is compromise on something and the Democrats will come around.
And I'm like, what world do you live in that you actually think that leftists in government work like that?
They don't work like that.
They want it their way because they want to change the country.
They want to change the Constitution.
So they're not going to bend.
The only thing that they're going to do is give in when the pressure is put upon them.
Because if they risk losing a position or a seat in government, they risk the possibility of changing the Constitution and the way things are.
So there is a point that the president can take this.
And just like that press conference in the Oval Office, if he continues to put the pressure on them without regard of hurting their feelings, they will fold.
They don't know what to do.
You could see that in the way that they reacted in the Oval Office.
They just wanted to get out of there so bad they wanted to crawl out of their skin.
If Chuck Schumer could have crawled out of his skin and shed his skin like a snake, I'm not saying anything about Chuck Schumer, but he would have.
I'm not sure he hasn't shed his skin before, but he would have.
So, folks, this is the year, 2019.
You're going to have plenty of shows where they talk about what, you know, the past year and the reflection on the year.
We're going to talk this show about what 2019 should be.
What 2018 was is in the past.
What 2019 should be is the American people standing together.
Maybe you're liberal.
Maybe you're conservative.
I can guarantee you, if you get rid of the anger, if you stop with the nonsense about President Trump is just messing everything up.
No, he's not.
If you look at his record, it's really good.
And if you look at where the problems are coming from, it's the hundreds and hundreds of people that show up in Congress to do a job, and they're controlled by a very small minority of people that have all the power.
That's the one bad thing about seniority in Congress.
It literally allows people to gain so much power that they don't allow things to be done.
And that's the problem with Congress.
They don't get anything done because people don't want it to get done.
So you need to realize that, folks.
Let go of the anger.
Start looking at reality.
Stop listening to the media and stop getting spun up.
And I guarantee you, if you sit down, just like you're going to play a board game and you guys actually take something like immigration, but you've got to have all the facts.
You can't just sit down over opinion and say, well, I think that people should be able to come here and we should be able to take all the people who are hurting and poor in their world.
It's not realistic.
You need to sit down with the facts.
And then when you sit down, you say, how can we fix this?
You're going to be surprised at the compromises and the different ideas that actually work.
And also, something small, things that don't ever get changed in your life.
You can apply the same thing, the same type of stepping forward and look at your city.
And you're going to see, folks, things can get fixed.
They just don't get fixed.
And so 2019 should be the year where Americans get together.
Listen, social media is amazing.
If there's 50 people, 25 people that got together, liberals and conservatives, and said, we're going to come up with a plan to fix immigration.
And then you put that out and you put it on social media and you get 1,000 or 10,000 retweets or shares.
Trust me, people are going to see this stuff.
And if that becomes the norm, the numbers are going to get bigger and bigger where people are getting together.
Instead of going to their Democrat meetings or the Republican meetings, they're going to be getting together and saying, let's solve these problems.
Let's come up with ideas.
And now we will have a standard to measure the people in Congress to see if they're doing their job.
Right now you have your measure is CNN versus Fox.
Or I'm an angry leftist or I'm angry on the right.
That's no measurement.
There's no way to measure stuff like that.
It doesn't work.
Make 2019 the year where the people start to get up off their butts and actually make a difference together.
You can send $50 in for the wall or you can get 300,000 people to stand up and stand together and you're going to see some amazing stuff happen.
This is Jonathan Gillen filled in for my good buddy Sean Hannity on Sean Hannity Radio Show 800-941-7326.
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We're going to be talking about Eddie Gallagher, a Navy SEAL, who, if you know this story, and you know the story about Clint Lawrence and all these other people, all these other soldiers and SEALs and all these individuals who have been convicted of stuff or charged with things that when you put it in a war zone or in what they've done or what they've been charged with doing,
you're going to see how little it takes to bring somebody in front of a judge in the DOD.
The JAG Corps in the DOD is out of control.
And agencies, you know, the FBI gets a lot of flack because of their executives, but I got to tell you, the way that the NCIS is carrying out investigations, I look at case after case after case between NCIS and the JAG Corps.
It's egregious what's happening.
And all these cases, which we'll talk about, are being brought with hearsay quite often that wouldn't even reach the level of a preliminary investigation when I was in the FBI.
We wouldn't even be able to start that based on a lot of this stuff.
So we're going to be talking in just a minute to Derek Van Orden.
You may remember him from Act of Valor, former Navy SEAL, retired, amazing guy, very well spoken.
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Folks, this is the interview that you don't want to miss today.
I have been following the career of Derek Van Orton for a long time.
I didn't know him.
I was in the SEAL team for a very short period of time, about five years.
He was 26 years in the SEAL teams, but we never crossed paths until I got to see the movie Act of Valor, which I hope that you got to see.
If you didn't see it, go rent it.
It's an amazing, amazing movie.
That was where they used SEALs to actually play the roles of SEALs, which I thought, hey, that's remarkable.
Let's actually have the experts play the experts.
I figured, let's start out before I read Derek's.
his entire bio, which is just amazing.
Let's just play a little clip of who this guy is.
Because yes, this is acting in a movie, but this is the way you flip a source when you need to question somebody.
Go ahead.
You're sitting on a wonderful boat.
It's fabulous.
I believe it's called Starship.
Starship.
I love the way you say starship.
It's like Russian.
That guy, Star Trek, what's his name, Scotty?
Sorry, Scott.
I wouldn't know.
Yes, you've never seen Star Trek?
No.
No, that's insane.
So here's the problem, pal.
You're worth a lot of money.
Or you were worth a lot of money.
I believe I still am.
You do?
Yes.
All right.
Let me tell you how the world works there, Crisco.
It's Christo.
Sorry?
Christo.
Oh, of course.
All right.
Let me tell you how the world really works.
Please, this is no longer your boat.
Since I walked through that door, you're not the same guy you used to be.
You're just not.
There's nothing I can do to stop that.
Nothing I can do to help you right now unless you let me help you.
We need to do this together, pal.
You and me.
Cool concept now.
Right here?
Yes.
Do you think this is some kind of game?
Do you?
Do you find this amusing?
I'm not fighting.
Do you realize what you're doing here?
Ladies and gentlemen, that is how you flip a source right there.
That is the way you play good cop and bad cop on your own.
Derek Van Orton, 26-year veteran of Navy SEALs.
He has been and done combat tours in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Horn of Africa.
He has two bronze stars.
He's a distinguished honor graduate of what we call 18 Delta.
It's the Army Special Forces Medical Sergeants course.
You don't get better than that when it comes to treating people.
He was also, and this is very interesting, he was selected by Naval Special Warfare Command to assist in writing the official Navy SEAL ethos.
I have always given this ethos a hard, you know, kind of given it a hard time on the radio.
But now, knowing who wrote it, I'll never do that again.
It's not that I didn't believe in it.
I just did, I was like, where'd this ethos come from?
Now that I know who wrote it, it means all the difference in the world.
He's also the author of the best-selling book, Book of Man, a Navy SEAL's Guide to the Lost Art of Manhood.
And he starred in multiple films like Act of Valor and Surviving the Wild.
Derek, man, thank you for being here.
We've been talking on the phone.
It's a privilege to actually have you speaking here.
And this is great that you're coming here and we can talk about Eddie Gallagher and what's going on.
Well, thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
That was quite an introduction.
And our purpose here today really is to speak about Chief Gallagher.
And I know that you've taken a lot of time to do this.
Sean Ham of you've taken a lot of time to do this.
Pete Hardschrist at Fox and Friends has also done this.
And it's very important that we collectively, as a nation, when we see something wrong, that we act on it immediately.
And it's my firm belief that Chief Gallagher has been the victim, not to use the word negatively.
That's kind of an overused term.
But the official institutions for law enforcement in the Navy, I think, are treating him poorly.
And it's not appropriate.
I'd like to say immediately, though, that I don't have any specific knowledge concerning what actually took place on the ground with Chief Gallagher in Missoula.
So I want to be very clear with that, that I'm operating off the same public knowledge that is available to anybody.
So let's be honest about that public knowledge, right?
Discovery has happened.
Discovery has happened in this case already.
So we should understand, because it's been made public, we should understand exactly what there is.
I mean, we have a good understanding of the picture that has been painted by the prosecution.
And what's interesting about this is that when you talk about somebody that nobody's ever heard about doing a murder, for instance, in an area where nobody ever goes, right?
It's hard for the public to grasp what the facts are in this case.
But what separates this case from that is that the information that's publicly available is available to operators like yourself, myself, other SEALs, other people in the military, and they're saying the same thing.
This does not add up because they understand the way things go in these war zones.
Correct.
And what I really want to focus on today, Jonathan, because I think we can have an appreciable positive effect is the treatment that Chief Gallagher has received at the hands of NCIS and also through the JAG Corps and at the brig in Miramar.
If people are unaware of what it's like to be in a brig, and he's in pre-trial confinement right now, you're treated exactly the same as someone that's been arrested and convicted of child molestation.
So they're putting him essentially in the general population with these folks that are convicted criminals, which is, again, inappropriate.
Just to give some frame of reference for folks, we're really a demilitarized population now.
Less than 1% of the American population is in the military.
Less than 25% of the American military are naval folks.
And less than 1% of that are SEALs.
So we're speaking about a very, very small portion of the American population that understands the difference between combat and civilian context.
And if I could for a second, I'd like to maybe explain a scenario to help people understand what we're dealing with here.
Sure.
Is that all right?
Yeah, go right ahead.
Okay, check it out.
So I am a graduate of the Army Special Forces Medical Sergeant's course, as is Chief Gallagher, meaning he is a super highly trained medic at the highest level that you can be in the enlisted corps.
It's pretty big.
It's pretty close in the real world.
It's pretty close to being a physician assistant, is it not?
I mean, not quite a physician assistant, but treatment.
It's completely correct.
Yeah, so you have the same formulary, so you can prescribe medications and you do different types of surgeries.
And the ability that you have to positively affect medical outcomes is great because of the training that's conducted by the Army.
So let's be real clear that Chief Gallagher has received the same training and is a medical professional along with being a warrior.
So let's kind of tell you about this a little bit.
So treating a patient, a wounded enemy combatant on the battlefield, is sort of the same as treating somebody in the back of an ambulance in Cleveland.
But here's where it differs.
If you have a wounded enemy combatant on the battlefield who's incapacitated, he goes into a different category.
He's a non-combatant now, and you're prohibited by law from harming this guy, right?
Or this gal.
You're supposed to treat him.
That's what we do.
However, if this person becomes alert in what's going on and starts fighting you, he is no longer an enemy combatant.
He has switched back to the category of a combatant.
If someone has an opioid overdose in Cleveland and you're in the back of an ambulance, you give them Narcan, which is a drug that helps get rid of the heroin from your system.
It's actually an agonist antagonist.
But if that person wakes up after you give this to him and he starts resisting you, you literally open the doors of the ambulance and either you run away or he runs away.
So it's not the same as being on a battlefield.
You are duty bound in combat to kill the enemy.
That's what you're there for.
And I'd also like to bring something up.
Chief Gallagher is going to be assigned to Naval Special Warfare Group 1 training detachment, meaning he would be responsible for training the SEALs that are going into combat.
We do this cyclically.
You go into combat, you can back your train the other guys so that our tactics, techniques, and procedures are cutting edge all the time.
Meaning that he was a very high-performing Navy SEAL chief.
So having been at Trade At actually establishing I was the first enlisted guy, actually, excuse me, the second enlisted guy at Naval Special Warfare Group 1 training detachment for land warfare.
We as SEALs do not train anybody to murder anybody.
SEALs are not trained to murder folks.
SEALs are trained to very, very selectively kill enemies on the battlefield.
And some people have an issue with this because they don't understand that there is justifiable killing in combat.
But that's what we do as professionals.
We're not trained to build hearts and minds.
We're trained to...
Well, actually...
Well, when I say build hearts and minds, all right, we're not necessary.
The SEALs are not...
Our foundation is not to go in and build schools.
Our...
Our foundation is to go in and take out enemies.
That's what we're supposed to do.
That's all we're supposed to do.
And so when you're acting in this manner, you're going out and you're doing things, it can be very disconcerting if you are not trained to do this.
And the other side is it can actually still be very disconcerting if you are trained to do this.
So some people, although they do make it through SEAL training, really don't have what it takes to be a SEAL.
That's just the way it is.
We can't screen everybody out.
And I think that that may have taken, that may be in play here with what happened with Chief Gallagher.
Right, right.
And he was.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Well, I think that, you know, with people like also that they need to understand the JAG Corps, which are attorneys, they don't come from the warfighting side of the military.
Most people don't realize that only about 10% of the United States military is actually a warfighting component.
The rest of them are logistics and all these other things.
A very small group of people, actually, the warfighters that are out there.
And the JAG Corps is as far remote from that as could possibly be.
So when they're bringing these charges, what you're seeing is language that doesn't fit, or not just language, but avenues of approach for their cases that don't fit reality in the war zone.
Correct.
They're applying, and the reason I did that long diatribe of trying to explain what the heck this is like is that even though these folks are in the military themselves, they do not understand what it is like to be a warrior.
There are warrior classes and there's administrative support personnel.
The JAG Corps falls into the administrative support personnel.
I'm not trying to degrade their service.
It's fantastic.
Without them, we wouldn't be the great military that we are.
But they simply often do not understand the complexities on the battlefield.
It's just a fact.
And I want to be super clear about something else, Jonathan, before you go on.
Naval Special Warfare itself does not have an institutional problem.
The JAG Corps does not have an institutional problem.
The Naval Criminal Investigative Service does not have an institutional problem.
What we have is we have a problem with some people.
Some people within these organizations either don't understand what they're doing and why they're doing it, or quite frankly, have some ego involved with being able to roll up and put their thumb on Navy SEALs.
And we've seen this in the past.
Senior Chief Barry was wrongfully convicted of rape, and the person who exercised undue command influence things, James W. Crawford III.
He was the senior ranking JAG officer in the United States Navy who pushed the folks beneath him to convict this man wrongly of rape.
So we have seen this previously with the treatment of Navy SEALs by the JAG Corps and by NCIS.
So let me say this.
We've got about two minutes left.
Okay.
So with the case with Eddie, and I'm seeing two problems here, okay?
I'm seeing what's happening, the fact that the command, I don't think that Group One has gotten behind the family because the family didn't do anything.
They're not being accused of anything.
I don't think they're behind the family.
And I don't think Group is doing Eddie right because he hasn't been convicted and getting his medical treatment.
Those are two things.
The other thing is that I'm going to give you about a minute to speak to is how other SEALs and other special forces, because this isn't just happening with Eddie.
It's happened with Major Matthew Goldstein, with Clint Lawrence.
It happened with Keith Berry that you just talked about.
How can other SEALs and other special forces stand together?
I mean, we can go on Facebook, we can do whatever, but how important is it that we stand together in this?
Well, it's super important, but first and foremost, we have to understand that every active duty service man and woman has taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and obey the orders of the people appointed above them.
So in no way, shape, or form do I think active duty military people should ever get together and conspire in order to try to take down their superiors.
That would be disastrous for our nation.
Now, the old fat retired folks like you and me, we should get together and we should review these things that are taking place with our active duty service men and women that are standing the watch for us so we can have barbecues and whatnot.
And if some things like this come out of the blue and our active duty folks are being treated poorly, we need to get together to express our displeasure and the fact that, you know, quite frankly, our men and women are less apt to do their job if they think they're being second-guessed and someone's applying an 8,000-mile-long screwdriver to correct their behavior that have not been in the battlefield.
Listen, brother, I got to cut it right there.
I can't thank you enough for being on.
Derek Van Orden, 26-year Navy SEAL veteran, good friend of mine, a brother, and listen to what he has to say.
And we'll come back.
I'm going to give you his contact information on Twitter.
You can find him.
It's at Derek Van Orden.
It's not real hard.
And let him know what you think about what he has to say and that you stand with him.
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And you can go and donate to Eddie.
I'll come back and talk about that again here in just a minute.
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And you can call in 800-941-7326.
That's 800-941.
Sean, I want to hear what you think.
And listen, the show's fast, so I don't get to the calls a lot, but I will get to you eventually.
And I was just there a second ago.
I was trying to give out.
I was under the gun here for a hard break.
You can go to the NavySealsfund.org, and there's a link there that goes to the Eddie Gallagher fund.
And I recommend that you give to that and help fund his legal fees because that ultimately is one of the things that's going to hurt his family, not just Eddie, but hurt his family.
I'm going to talk a little bit more about Eddie's case and then some other things that have been in the news that pertain to attorneys.
And I figured, you know, how many, is there an attorney out there that I trust?
And I had to, you know, I know immediately there's only two attorneys that I trust.
One of them's not here, but the other one is Paul Callan.
Now, Paul Callan and I go back a long ways.
And when I was on CNN, that's where I met Paul Callan.
And he's been there for a long time at CNN.
He's a breath of fresh air over there.
He was a New York City homicide prosecutor for a while.
He is the attorney that won the case against O.J. Simpson civilly for Nicole Brown Simpson's family.
That in and of itself is groundbreaking.
And you're somebody that I've watched when you're on CNN.
You stand up against the likes of Stormy Daniels attorney.
See, I'm teaching everybody to block these names out.
He's one of those people that you should block his name out.
I mean, to me, he doesn't really, he's irrelevant in anything that he does.
He's since disappeared pretty quick.
Yes, he has.
Pretty cool.
You missed my segment with him.
Oh, no.
I saw that.
Oh, you saw that?
Yeah, okay, good.
Yeah, I saw that.
He didn't like that very much.
No, he didn't.
But, you know, you are something that I've always had a hard time with is I tell the truth, but I'm not politically correct.
Because you're an attorney, I mean, you're trained to be this way.
You can say things that are blunt, but not offensive.
And you do a very good job of that.
Well, thank you very much.
So I want to ask you real quick, and then we're going to talk about Michael Cohen a little bit.
But with this Eddie Gallagher case, now this is the JAGCOR in the military, right?
So they're bound by the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
It's a little bit different than the civilian world.
However, when we look at the language and the way that these cases, I've studied a lot of these JAG cases, and what they're notorious for is going in and developing an image of the person, not based on the evidence, but based on something that a picture that they can present to the juries or to the public to kind of defame these people before they come in.
And so I've seen this over and over and over where they say this person is dead guilty.
They've done this.
They've done this.
And then when you look at the outcome of the case and after they cut away all that nonsense, you realize the person didn't do it or they did very little of what they've been accused of.
Now, I can't help but think that attorneys in the civilian world that did that and ignored the fact that something that they're presenting is not true would be disbarred.
Well, it's a violation of the code of professional responsibility that lawyers are supposed to abide by.
But I will have to say, there was a time when that would be true.
But since the advent of television and television coverage of trials, you see civilian lawyers all the time on television talking about cases while they're pending.
And prosecutors in particular, they're holding the press conference and they're telling stories about the defendant to make him look bad in the public eye.
So I think you see it in civilian life as well.
Now, it's quite possible it's not as bad as it is in military life, but it's an unfortunate thing.
But it goes on.
Did social media bring this about or is it TV really that has and just the lack of ethics that have come across the world really through all this stuff?
Well, you know, the background on it is that lawyers, like up through maybe the 1950s, early 1960s, they were very closely monitored by bar authorities.
And if they made public statements about pending cases, they would be brought up on charges.
But then prosecutors started taking advantage of television.
I mean, you know, you'd be a prosecutor in a local case and then you're going to be running for governor, you know, in six months if you get a lot of press.
And when a defense attorney then was confronted with a situation where the prosecutor had said horrible things about his client just before jury selection, the defense attorney, if he was doing his job, he'd go out and give an interview saying nice things about his client.
And both of them were really violating the rules.
So it got to be, it got to the point, though, where the courts came in and said, well, even lawyers have First Amendment rights to talk about a case, particularly when the prosecutor has already done that.
So now you rarely see, I can't remember in the last 10 years seeing a case where a lawyer was actually prosecuted for publicly talking about a case.
But talking about it is one thing, but actually saying things, and there was one case that I looked up that the same JAG that's involved with Eddie Gallagher's case was involved with, where there was an issue with prostitutes over a text message where a guy, like a contractor and some higher-ranking officials in the military, he's saying, you know, after their expensive dinner that he treated them to, he's going to send some girls to their hotel.
And he kept going on, they were laughing back and forth about this.
Well, that never transpired.
They have camera footage that shows that the girls never showed up.
There were never any prostitutes involved.
But yet they still submitted these text messages without explaining that to the jury and then made it publicly known in the press to taint the image of these people.
Well, you know, it's a text message.
That's pushing the line, though, isn't it?
It is pushing the line, but there's a judge sitting in that courtroom, a military judge, and he's only supposed to allow that to go into evidence if it's admissible and if it has what we call probative value in the case.
So I don't know.
I'd have to look at the specific text messages to see what was in them.
Let me ask you this.
I am a realist in this fight.
I try not to say I'm conservative.
I'm definitely not liberal, but I try to just say I'm an effective thinker, a constitutionalist.
But when I look at the rhetoric that, and this is very striking to me, when I look at the rhetoric that these JAG attorneys are using, the judges, and even some very elevated military admirals and generals.
And then I go on to Twitter after I do a show like this and just the vicious comments that I get, it's the same language that they're saying on Twitter, the leftists, that these attorneys are using in their cases.
That bothers me because now I'm starting to see in the DOD quite often a leftist narrative or leftist language being used.
And that alarms me and scares me that the DOD has jag attorneys and judges that are using this language.
Well, I'm disturbed by it as well.
And I would be disturbed whether they were using right-wing language or left-wing language.
In other words, using political ideology to try to determine whether a man gets convicted of a very, very serious crime.
They're not supposed to be doing that.
They're only supposed to be talking about the evidence that is in the case.
And they're only even supposed to be talking about that when they're in a courtroom trying the case.
Otherwise, they're supposed to give very vague comments.
And things have gotten out of hand.
In Eddie Gallagher's case, the prosecutor, this JAG, actually said that what Eddie is being accused of was like giving manna from heaven to the ISIS fighters.
I mean, that's just ridiculous language has nothing to do with warfare.
Basically, what he just said goes out publicly is like giving manna.
Well, he shouldn't be making a comment like that because I don't care whether you're in the military or you're a civilian.
The U.S. Constitution still applies to you and you're presumed innocent of any charge, even a murder charge, pending conviction.
And it seems to me that that's language that's inflammatory and could inflame a jury.
And with that being said, in the civilian world, pre-trial, somebody's being held in confinement for a period of time.
What typically does a judge look for to say this person is a danger to society?
I can't let them out on bail.
Well, I'll tell you, in murder cases, Jonathan, it's rare that people, and I'm talking about an intentional murder case.
I'm not talking about a manslaughter where it happens accidentally.
Or even if the murder, a murder, a charge of murder, but they don't have any evidence.
Well, whether they have evidence or not is something that the court does look at because the court in deciding whether to set bail or not looks at the seriousness of the charges.
Okay, murder's the top.
So that's the most serious.
The risk of flight, someone's facing life in prison.
Obviously, they might try to flee.
But they also look at the strength of the evidence.
And if it's an extremely weak case, sometimes you'll have a shot at getting bail.
But in murder cases, presumptively people tend to stay incarcerated pending their trial.
So let's talk real quick.
We only got a few minutes here to talk about you wrote an article about Michael Cohen.
Yes.
And this kind of goes along with what we're saying here, how attorneys, it seems like ethics and law have taken a hit over the past few years, along with everything else, ethics and politics.
But when you have an attorney who breaks their code of silence and the ethics that they're sworn to, it's a big deal, is it not?
Well, it is a big deal.
And, you know, Cohen had done some things as an attorney that were just off the scale wrong.
One was, of course, tape recording his own client, the president.
Now, I don't care what you think about President Trump.
When he's talking to his own attorney, he has a right to expect that his attorney is not tape recording him without permission.
And Cohen did it repeatedly.
And now he's trying to use evidence from those tapes to get a light sentence from the Mueller people or a light sentence recommendation.
And I mean, that's totally repulsive conduct by an attorney.
And that's a problem when I think it's a problem also for Mueller to accept that type of stuff.
Because from my experience, and you know this for sure, when you have a source and a source is giving you information because they want less of a sentence, right?
Which is a lot of the information that we get.
You have to be very careful with that information because they may very well be telling you what you want to hear versus what you need to know.
Well, that's absolutely true.
And by the way, if you see the way they handled Cohen, you could see that they didn't even like dealing with Cohen because the Southern District prosecutors would not give him the benefit of his cooperation.
It's called a 5K1 letter, which can get your sentence reduced very, very substantially.
They wouldn't give him such a letter because they said he offered to cooperate, but he wouldn't fully cooperate, and he was dishonest with respect to some of the things he was cooperating about.
Now, the Mueller team had a better experience with him.
They said they got information that was valuable, but they wouldn't give him the 5K1 letter also.
And that's the gold certificate you get for cooperation with prosecutors.
If they won't give you that, that means there's been a problem with your cooperation.
So he got a partial sentence reduction, but not as much as he would have expected otherwise.
So we only got a couple minutes here.
I got an email from a DEA agent recently, and he said, speaking about the Southern District.
Southern District, I always thought when I was in the Bureau was the most aggressive district that there was.
Yes.
And he was talking about how the things that Cohen and others are being charged for through the Southern District, how, and I'm pretty sure Cohen's going through the Southern District.
Yes, he is.
How there are far worse things that people are being charged for, but the fact is, or that they have cases, the fact is that they're an illegal alien in a drug case, and the Southern District is bending over backwards not to bring, either not bring charges or to bring lenient charges against them.
When did this type of political stuff start to occur?
Well, you know something, Jonathan, that would really surprise me.
I can't say I haven't experienced that myself.
Most lawyers that I know who do immigration law think that the Southern District treats them pretty tough.
You know, if you want to have an example of that, take a look at El Chapo on trial in the, well, he's in the Eastern District right across the bridge.
But same idea.
They're pretty tough.
And the Southern District in particular is tough.
So I have no personal experience that would back that claim.
Overall, though, I think we can agree on this, that things in the law have started to mimic politics too closely.
And when this type of ideological stuff gets into real cases, it's a problem.
It's horrible.
And I think we see it in all aspects of government.
You know, it's the I HATE Trump team against the Everything Trump Does Is Right team.
And there used to be a point where all of us, you know, sort of met in the middle and backed the President of the United States, whoever he might be.
And boy, those days are gone, Jonathan, and it's a different world out there.
Hey, listen, God bless you, brother.
It's always fast when we come in here because it's interesting listening to you talk.
Everybody can find you on Twitter at Paul Callan, C-A-L-L-A-N.
You got it right this time.
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I will.
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You know, seems like every time I host now on the Sean Hannity Radio Show, I always ask to have Peter Schweitzer on here.
And the reason is because when I see, so when I look at the news, I don't just look at the headline and say, oh, that's interesting.
I try to look beyond the headline at things that will pop out to me that even the people riding it may not see.
And there was an article that came out yesterday, and I figured, let's reach out to Peter Schweitzer because I gotta, I have to get his take on this.
He's author of Secret Empires, How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends.
He's the president of the Government Accountability Institute and the creator of the documentary, The Creepy Line.
Peter, thank you for being here as always with me.
I appreciate it.
Oh, glad to be all with you and happy new year to you.
Same to you, my friend.
Listen, I saw this yesterday or maybe two days ago, and I said, man, I got to bring this up when I had Peter on.
There was a liberal billionaire.
He is the co-creator of LinkedIn.
And he was apologizing for funding a false flag effort to link Kremlin to Republican in Alabama Senate race.
That's when Roy Moore was running for office.
There was a company called American Engagement Technologies.
He donated, and he is Reid Hoffman.
He's a billionaire, co-creator of LinkedIn.
He donated $750,000 and was part of the effort to falsely portray the Republican Senate bid as being supported by the Kremlin.
Now, this is very interesting because the fact that alone he used the term false flag was shocking to me because anytime other conspiracy, they call them conspiracy theorist hosts or people on Twitter or Facebook use the term false flag.
And I'm talking about conservatives here.
And they say, well, that was a false flag or this is a false flag.
They're deemed crazy by the left.
But here it is, somebody from the left donating money to make up a fake Russian story about Roy Moore, and he used the term false flag.
I almost fell down when I saw that.
Yeah, you know, and you're quite right, too, because that term does not get used much by the mainstream media.
And you're right that people always put that into sort of conspiracy theory land.
But in this particular case, it's absolutely correct.
And, you know, essentially what this group of Democratic activists were doing was trying to create the impression, falsely, of course, that Roy Moore's campaign for the Senate in Alabama, which Senator Jones eventually won, the Democrat, that Roy Moore's campaign was being supported by Russian bots on Twitter and on Facebook.
And you remember there was the whole hullabaloo about the so-called Russia collusion in 2016 that President Trump somehow benefited from these Russian bots.
And that story has never really panned out in terms of anything quantifiable.
So that was originally in 2016.
Now you've got this 2018 Senate election, and you've got this company, American Engagement Technologies.
These are not a bunch of amateurs doing this.
So Mikey Dickinson, who's the head of it, is a Obama operative.
There's a guy, Jonathan Morgan, who's involved, who's a participant, who actually wrote his company, wrote the Senate Intelligence Committee report on the Russian bots that were working in 2016.
These guys create a operation to make it look like Russian bots are helping Roy Moore, when in fact, those bots don't even exist except for the fact that these guys have created them.
So this is a huge story because, of course, it begs the question, Jonathan, if these Russian bots are so active and they're so eager to help Trump or people that are supportive of Trump, why would this organization have to go out and create them?
You would expect them to be operating already.
So this is a story with layers upon layers that I think is very compelling and important for people to be paying attention to.
And I think when we look at the way the media normally covers these things is once a part, like let's say something against Trump, right?
Once a small part of that may be proven, then they just assume that everything else is true, and they will go full bore on those stories.
What is interesting about this is, one, the fact that he used false flag, which gives legitimacy to anybody else that says that was a false flag.
And they constantly saying, no, false flags are weird.
That's things that conspiracy theorists say.
Now you have somebody who actually was involved in the operation saying, yes, it was a false flag.
That's the big thing.
The other thing, though, is this is the exact thing that they were accusing Russians of coming in on Facebook and paying for this stuff.
And now we have an example where in an election, in the same time, right around after Trump was elected, that this was actually a left or a Democratic tactic.
So aren't we allowed to assume and shouldn't it be investigated that if this was used on Roy Moore, it was probably used on Donald Trump?
Well, I think you are absolutely right.
You make a brilliant point that, you know, in all of this overheated rhetoric on Russia collusion, if they get one point right in a minor way, they somehow assume that the entire narrative is accurate.
And that's just simply, you know, not the case.
And I think we need to call them out on it.
And I think you're also correct that this raises all sorts of questions about all sorts of issues that come up.
I mean, you look at the whole issue of the Steele dossier, which is still shrouded in mystery.
We know who funded it.
We know that Steele, this ex-British intelligence officer that wrote it, doesn't really have any backup evidence.
He just sort of puts this stuff in the dossier.
It's uncorroborated.
It's unverified.
It's fallacious, as James Comey said.
And it seems pretty clear that it was designed to serve as a piece of disinformation, as it were, to cycle through the media to attack Donald Trump.
And this story that has now come out involving American engagement technologies and these false bots indicates that when you talk about dirty tricks in political campaigns, this takes it honestly to a whole new level.
When you involve foreign entities, as they did with the British intelligence officer, Mr. Steele, or in this case, where you are purposely trying to create a false flag and indicate that there's Russian foreign interference in a Senate campaign when in fact there is not.
And what I think, Jonathan, we need to do is Democrats need to call out Democrats who are doing this stuff.
If they are serious about manipulation of our political system, they should be calling out these operatives who did this.
And by the way, these operatives then should not be hired by other Democrats to work on any other campaigns because this should not be acceptable political behavior.
Well, what about the fact that Paul Manafort, right, who was investigated by Mueller and all this stuff came out?
And when Paul Manafort's past, right, and the things that he's done comes out, they link it to President Trump and they use that also to further the case of Mueller.
When we look at this and we look at the fact that Democratic operatives, that a company that works for the Democrats was used and that a huge funder, the former co-founder of LinkedIn, was involved with this, Reid Hoffman, of paying $750,000 to get this going forward.
Shouldn't we be able to say and shouldn't investigators be looking into this and saying, because they're going to investigate Russia.
They're going to investigate Trump.
They're going to investigate Manafort.
Shouldn't they be saying that this gives us grounds to investigate to see if people were tampering with elections?
And was it this tampering with an election?
Absolutely, it was.
And look, I said from the very beginning, you know, in January 2017, when all this stuff was swirling, if we're going to investigate Russia and their involvement politically, let's do all of it.
Let's investigate John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, who is on the board of a small company that got $30 million from Rus Nano, which is a government-run investment fund in Russia that is called Putin's Child.
In other words, this is Putin's investment fund.
They put $30 million into a small energy company upon which John Podesta sits on the board.
Let's investigate Bill Clinton's speaking fees from investment funds that are linked to Russian intelligence, which is well established and well-known.
Let's look at Rus Nano, which was this high-tech initiative that Hillary Clinton set up as Secretary of State to help the Russians develop a Russian version of Silicon Valley, which eventually led, according to the U.S. military, to the Russians being able to develop this hypersonic missile that they are now testing.
These are all established facts, and they all look at the linkages between the Clintons and Clinton, members of the Clinton orbit, who are receiving money, who are receiving benefits from Russian entities while she is Secretary of State and our lead diplomat.
My view was: look at the Trump stuff.
I think it's pretty clear that there's nothing that's emerged that amounts to anything involving collusion.
But why are you not also interested in looking at this side of the ledger, which is the Clinton side?
And that's if you're going to investigate Russian collusion, be honest about it.
Don't be selective about it.
And I think that's why people feel like this investigation has kind of become a farce.
Let's just, you know, the interesting thing about this, let's just start at the beginning.
It was based on a fake dossier and illegal wiretaps, right?
Fises.
Illegal, right?
And so that alone should have stopped us in its tracks.
The second thing is none of those things added up to anything.
Yet, when we look at what you just pointed out about the Clintons and John Podesta and the Clinton Foundation and what we look at here with this election tampering from the left, I mean, there was no fake dossier that allowed us to see that this guy was funding a false flag.
There was no of illegal FISA that let you know about, that let Peter Schweitzer and your group go out and investigate what the Clintons did.
You didn't need a fake FISA for that.
That's exactly right.
It's air.
And this is why I think, Jonathan, what people are very frustrated with the investigation.
A lot of people, even people that aren't necessarily big Trump supporters, look at this and say, this is selective justice in America.
Then where are they?
Why aren't they standing up for this?
Why aren't people standing together and saying this can't happen anymore?
Well, I think they need to.
I think people have gotten very disillusioned with the criminal justice system in America today.
I mean, even look at Paul Manafort, who, by the way, I say, you know, he broke FARA laws.
He booked it.
Then, you know, he needs to go to jail.
But Tony Podesta, who is John Podesta's brother, was also a lobbyist for the Ukraine and a whole host of other foreign entities.
And by the way, when Paul Manaford was charged with violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, FARA, what did Tony Podesta, John Podesta's brother do, the big Democrat lobbyist?
He went back and retroactively filed 17 documents on his previous work under FARA.
In other words, he hadn't reported any of this stuff either, just like Paul Manaford.
But is Tony Podesta being investigated for FARA violations?
I don't know.
There's no evidence that he is.
I mean, maybe there's something going on in Mueller's investigation, but I really doubt it.
And that's another example of this selective nature.
And people are, I think, disgusted.
They're willing to accept the fact that, you know, maybe somebody they agree with politically has engaged in bad behavior and they ought to be investigated.
But when it's only one side that's ever being investigated, they are just appalled and they feel like there's selective justice in this country.
Hey, I tell you what, let's take a break real quick.
I want to bring you back on the other side of the break if you've got a few minutes because I'm going to come back.
I've been trying to tell everybody, not just to reflect on 2018, but what you would like to see in 2019.
So we'll have a couple minutes when we come back.
Hang on there, Peter.
We'll come back and then we're going to talk about that.
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Let's go back to Peter Schweitzer.
Peter, I asked you before we went on a break.
Everybody talks about at the end of the year, you know, they reflect on 2018.
What do you hope that the American population that is listening, both that are liberal and conservative?
I really hate those terms because if we just looked at things, how do we fix it effectively, we wouldn't really have those terms so much.
But what do you wish, you know, doing all this research that you see that people would get in 2019?
Well, I think what people have to get is, you know, the reason that our founders set up our form of government the way they did with separate branches of government is they had an inherent distrust of power.
When things are done in secret, when things are done with powerful forces, especially those are individuals who don't have to face elections, corruption happens.
It's not a liberal problem.
It's not a conservative problem.
It's a human nature problem.
So what I say is, you know, be skeptical.
When you're being told by, you know, powerful institutions, this or that, this is the truth, that is the truth.
It's okay to ask questions.
It's okay to hold them accountable.
And in this day and age, we have so many decisions that are being made by unelected government officials.
A businessman makes a request for a permit at local governments.
They just ignore them.
They just ignore them because they decide they don't want to honor it.
Or somebody makes a request from a government agency under the Freedom of Information Act.
They just ignore the request.
So the point is, the only way we get accountable government is by us holding them accountable.
Nobody else is going to do it.
It has to be us.
Hey, God bless you.
Have a great New Year's, my friend.
Thanks, brother.
Take care.
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Listen, I figured I would take a break from the seriousness before we get to the end of the show because I got some great things to say at the end.
And I wanted to talk to a good friend of mine.
I was having a conversation.
She's a doctor and a health practice, a natural, sorry, let me go back here.
Certified natural health practitioner, C-N-H-P, and a naturopathic doctor, ND.
She's been doing, devoted over 20 years of this stuff to her life, Randy Shannon.
And Randy, it's so good to have you on here.
I've been on a show with you before.
Now you're on with me.
And I wanted to ask you and give the people some advice.
After Christmas and after the holidays, their guts are bloated.
And, you know, it's all this stuff that you hear on the television.
You got truckers driving down the road right now.
You got family members that are having their last meeting, you know, get togethers before the end of the new year.
And everybody's suffering by this point.
What is it that's happening in people's bodies from overeating that they don't normally eat this much or this kind of food?
And how do they buy, you know, the next couple of weeks, how do they get themselves back to normal?
I love this question.
And first of all, it's great to be here.
And thank you so much for having me on the Sean Hannity show.
You got it.
What a great topic.
I believe when people are going through that feeling where they're losing their energy levels and they've got that bloat look or the gassiness, that they're actually gluten intolerant.
And gluten is two proteins that are used for the elastic texture in dough, for example.
It acts as a glue that holds the foods together.
And it's in a lot of foods.
It's in breads, it's in cereals.
It's even in ketchup and mustard for those truckers that are out there driving down the road.
It's in everything.
And it's like a bull in a china cabinet causing and wreaking damage all throughout our body.
So besides the bloating and the lack of energy, there can be other symptoms, most of which can be tracked back to nutritional deficiencies.
And if they are gluten intolerant, there can be other things like mood swings, hair loss, bloating, low vitamin B12 levels, which is your energy.
And B12 cannot be absorbed without an acid environment in the stomach.
So we absolutely have to have acid.
And so when this bloating or this gassy stomach occurs, people look like they're about, what, four to five months pregnant.
What it really means, right?
We've seen the look.
And they can have a great body and just they have this stomach bloat.
So what that means is the acid environment or the pH in the stomach isn't quite right.
It really needs to be more like car battery acid.
And the stomach acid has gone more towards a neutral level, neutral level being seven.
And it's probably more like a four or a five instead of level one.
And at that level, what happens is yeast and bacteria grow in that environment.
So when somebody, you know, we overeat at the holidays generally.
So when somebody's eating all of these variances of food, when they eat fruit of any kind, fiber, sugars, juices, it's going to result in the fruit and the sugars and the carbohydrates being fermented by the yeast and bacteria, which causes that bloat.
So what can they do to avoid it?
And this goes for all year round, okay?
And try not to break these rules.
What they want to do to change this lack of energy and to get rid of this bloat is for sure go on a gluten-free diet.
And that means everyone in the entire household, they need to also stay away from all fried foods forever.
If you want to fast track aging, eat fried foods.
It's so terrible for you.
No nitrates, no nitrates, nitrites.
They want to use real butter, not margarine, and they want to use lots and lots of salt.
They want the chief cells in the stomach to create that acidic environment that's best for digestion.
And then that will suppress the growth of yeast.
So no cooking with oils, no coconut oil, no olive oil.
Everybody says, oh, but that's okay.
But here's the thing.
Unless you have plucked that coconut off the tree and you grind it up and you get the oil out of it and you eat it in the first 10 minutes, it's not healthy for you.
Wow.
And it causes severe free radical damage in the body.
And we don't want that because what happens?
We age faster.
We get aches and pains and we get all kinds of symptoms and then they get diagnosed as something.
So a lot of that's any.
A lot of the things that you're talking about, it seems like it's in overdrive times 10 during the holiday.
Yes.
And that probably causes a massive amount.
I'll tell you this right here.
I was sick all Christmas.
So I didn't go anywhere.
I didn't eat any of this food.
I didn't do nothing.
I hardly ate at all, in fact.
And I slept because I was on prescription medicine and it just knocked me out.
And I don't feel disgustingly bloated.
Not to say that the food that I normally eat is always done so well.
It's not fried.
It's good food.
But a lot of the things that you're saying, the mixing of, you know, of the fruit with the other stuff, with the yeast and stuff, this is something that happens constantly over the holidays.
That's right.
Well, and it starts typically at Thanksgiving.
And a lot of times that's when it hits the news.
Oh, the flu is everywhere.
People are crashing because they've just done massive destruction in their bodies.
And, you know, the great thing is, is everything is reversible.
That's my belief.
And yeah, if you just go gluten-free, there's so many benefits.
One is going to be the increased energy level.
Why?
Because the B12 will now actually absorb.
So you're going to gain back those energy levels.
And then you're not going to have that chemistry process going on in your stomach if you remove the gluten and you remove these bad things.
No wheat.
Wheat's in pretty much everything in many variations.
So you really have to look at the labels and go completely wheat-free.
And remember, a few years ago, that was all the rage.
Oh, I want wheat bread.
I want wheat this.
I want wheat that.
And really, we were just destroying ourselves.
Well, that happens a lot when people get in politics or advertising gets in the way of the way we eat.
Listen, I got to cut it there because I have to get calls before we end the show.
But I'll have you on more.
And I can't thank you enough.
How do people find you?
Thebodycan.com, the bodycan, C-A-N, because I believe the body can heal itself.
We're on Twitter on that where we have a Facebook group, nearing 20,000 people.
So thank you so much for having me on the show.
You got it.
And hopefully we have some people reach out.
You got it.
Dr. Randy Shannon, thank you very much.
You're a good friend of mine, and you're always having great advice.
And hopefully some of these people take it.
The trucker's going down the road and get rid of this thing that goes on in our body after Thanksgiving sometimes after Christmas.
I figured I'd bring her on just to give people a little bit of a perspective that you can get back to this pretty quickly.
Listen, folks, I want to go to the phone calls real quick.
Let's go to Scott in Alabama.
Go ahead, Scott.
Jonathan.
What's up, buddy?
Hey, happy new year, first of all, and NSDQ.
Awesome.
Thank you very much.
And listen, we got a limited amount of time, but I wanted to get to you.
And I'm going to give you the floor.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I just wanted to say it talks about Chief Gallagher and his situation, but I also want to remind people that Marcus Lattrell, lone survivor, Operation Red Wing, that whole debacle when they deliberated on what to do with the goat herders, that all happened because they had a tremendous fear of being prosecuted by their own people.
They deliberated long and hard about that, and they said it was a decision that he would regret for the rest of his life.
Yeah, it's interesting when we look at all these cases that are coming up recently.
You know, Clint Lawrence, we got Major Goldstein, we got Eddie Gallagher.
And all these things are being looked at by these JAG attorneys from a civilian point of view.
They don't, it's not as though when I see these cases presented, they're presenting them from the way a civilian would interpret the UCMJ and without taking into account where they are, the war zone that they're at, and what they're actually tasked with, which is killing the enemy.
And now we're not, in Eddie's case, he was just accused.
In Major Goldstein's case, it has to do with that he thought he was killing a combatant.
And the whole system needs to be reviewed.
Wouldn't you agree?
I would certainly agree.
It's hard to determine who's a combatant, who's not when they hide amongst the population over there.
And let me say something further about 18 Deltas.
I've worked with 18 Deltas.
I worked, I flew for Blackwater in Baghdad, and several of our folks were 18 Deltas.
And if I was on a roadside injured, believe me, the person I'd want treating me is an 18 Delta.
They are the best.
And no mistake, they are the best.
Yeah.
Yeah, no doubt about it.
And, you know, I got to give you credit, the pilots, the helicopter pilots, the Special Forces pilots, you guys are amazing.
And I can't thank you enough for all that you do.
I'm going to cut it there, brother.
But listen, be safe.
Merry Christmas.
I hope you have a happy new year.
And thank you for speaking out.
The veterans across this country need to speak out like that.
God bless you and thank you for that.
I'm going to take one more phone call and then I got to go to a break.
And let's go to Barrett in Houston.
Go ahead, Barrett.
John Gilliam.
What's up, Barbara?
John Gilliam.
Yeah, I thought I was gluten-free until Randy Shannon said gluten and mustard.
And we're fluoride-free, too.
Put filters on your home water.
But anyway, I want to talk quickly about Corporal Singh, who was killed Christmas night.
I think he deserves the front, the first responders equivalent to the military's purple heart.
Perhaps we could call it the gold heart or the gilded heart or something.
And I think that it should be awarded posthumously to his wife and son.
And I think that Congress should allow those to be awarded to the 9-11 heroes that are posthumous and seriously wounded.
Just so I can say this real quick, people that don't realize, Corporal Singh, he was the officer who was just killed in California.
He came over here as a legal immigrant, was even taking classes while he's a cop so he could learn to speak better English.
And that was at the Newman Police Department, and he was killed by an illegal alien.
Front lines are domestic now, John.
Yeah, they are.
They are, brother.
They're within our borders.
They're on our front door.
I got to cut it there.
God bless you, Barrett, and thank you for bringing that up.
And God bless Texas.
You guys, you got to get a hold of what's going on there in politics because you're turning purple.
Let's take a break.
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You know, I pump up my book a lot, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
The reason I do that is because, and I want you all to learn from this.
I wrote that book so that you all can understand how I see the world from the attacker's point of view, because I want you to have that understanding so you can make your life safer and so you can be empowered.
Too often, what we see in today is the push for people to be helpless.
Take this hand out, sit on your butt and send this money in and don't make a fuss about something.
It's as if the politicians and media, and it's not just as if, it's the reality.
They want you to learn helplessness.
I want you to learn empowerment.
And I think as we go into the new year, that should be what you take with yourself in 2019.
If you have an expertise, don't be afraid of using it.
Don't be egotistical about it and don't force it on people that don't want to hear it.
But if you can lend a hand with your expertise, if you can give some insight into things that they're saying that's wrong on TV or a politician that is trying to skew things for an election, or if you just hear somebody leading somebody astray, stand up and inform the people.
Let's start helping each other be empowered.
And the way you do that is by standing together first and foremost, having dialogue, and then understanding that you do have a voice.
Listen, the media is not the fourth branch of government.
In fact, the people are the first branch of government.
Without you, you wouldn't have congressmen and senators.
And without you standing up for freedom, it wouldn't be defended.
It's up to us, folks, to stand together.
And that's what 2019 should be.
So go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival, Amazon, Barnes ⁇ Noble, and then do your part. Become empowered. Be a force multiplier for police and for truth. Thank you again. Find me on Twitter. Find me on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube. I love every single one of you. Remember,
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