Sean Hannity Show - Guest Host Louie Gohmert

Dec. 27, 2018 - Sean Hannity Show

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Guest Host Louie Gohmert

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	So welcome to the Sean Hannity show.
	This is Louie Gomert, and uh I I just love doing this.
	Some people say, why would you do this?
	You're a member of Congress.
	For heaven's sake, one of the jobs of members of Congress is to get the word out on what's going on.
	And there is no better place.
	Heck, Sean's up over 600 affiliate radio stations.
	That's just fantastic.
	But uh, you know, something we've been dealing with, uh, and and I I believe, I think you believe that uh one of the biggest promises that helped to get Donald Trump elected to be president Donald Trump was uh a wall.
	And we didn't need the wall and still don't need the wall, two thousand miles, but there are places we need it.
	And as uh our Secretary of Homeland Security, Kirsten Nielsen had said uh testifying before our committee a couple of weeks ago.
	She said every time there is a wall that's put up anywhere, it eliminates 95 plus percent of uh illegal immigration in that area.
	That's it it just makes sense.
	And so, you know, we've been dealing with all this name calling from most of people that that do the name calling and and talk about how horrendous the idea of a wall is.
	They got walls around their own houses.
	Uh some live in gated communities and whatnot.
	Um it's kind of like those that say uh we want to get rid of all guns.
	Well, all except for uh my personal bodyguards, that kind of thing.
	But uh Jason, why don't you play um my good friend um Mr. Gutierrez talking to the Secretary of Homeland Security.
	Uh I don't think it'll be in in this segment, but I mean he called her all kinds of vile things.
	But Jason, let's let's hear that.
	During Christmas, a time in which we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
	A Jesus Christ who had to flee for his life with Mary and Joseph.
	Thank God there wasn't a wall that stopped him from seeking refuge in Egypt.
	Thank God that wall wasn't there, and thank God there wasn't administration like this, or he would have too have perished on the 28th on the day of innocence when Herod ordered the murder of every child Under two years of age.
	Maybe I haven't gone a lot to Bible school, but I know that part.
	Thank God.
	Shame on everybody that separates children and allows them to stay at the other side of the border, fearing death, fearing hunger, fearing sickness.
	Shame on us for wearing our badge of Christianity during Christmas and allow the secretary to come here and lie.
	Wow.
	He called her a liar.
	He called her more all kinds of things.
	But anyway, she kept her cool, and I was proud of her for doing that.
	But that really got me.
	I am a Christian, and the way people bring up Jesus and Christianity, I mean, there was somebody on MSNBC just recently that asked the question, WWJD, what would Jesus do?
	I was thrilled to have somebody on MSNBC asking WWJD, wow, that's that's a start.
	We're we're going in the right direction when MSNBC would even bother to ask that question.
	But the hyperbole just gone through the roof.
	Anyway, it was hard to sit and listen to the bludgeoning that Secretary Nielsen got.
	And so I had to follow up on this thing of uh Jesus perishing because uh uh if the Republicans and Trump administration had been in Egypt, they would have had a wall.
	So uh this is what I I had to come back and ask the secretary.
	You mentioned that asylum is actually only found to be appropriate in about 10 percent, is that right, of the people that claim asylum.
	Yes, sir.
	And for my colleague who left, um if Mary and Joseph were trying to come into the United States under the situation that existed and King Herod was tr trying to kill everybody under two, uh, wouldn't they be eligible for asylum in the United States?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So uh he can scratch that from his concerns that get into the United States.
	Yeah, so I just couldn't resist.
	I mean, it sounded good.
	Oh my gosh, you know, Jesus would be perishing uh if the Trump administration had been in Egypt.
	Well, no, not so much.
	We could have a wall across the entire southern border, and if Mary and Joseph brought their uh young baby and they were fleeing a country where the leader was killing off the babies, uh, you betcha that's exactly what asylum is for.
	And it's not for uh 90% or so of those who come to our border, and especially when Mexico says, hey, you can stop here, you won't be persecuted, we'll help you get a job.
	Uh you cannot say no to those and then be entitled legally to asylum in the United States.
	Um, but then we get to the House floor, and once again, it's just all this vitriol about how horrendous a wall would be, how it's just terrible.
	Uh it and I'm not gonna have you listen to the whole thing, but just uh Jason edited a little clip.
	Yeah, you you need to hear this part anyway.
	Mr. Speaker, Democrats would prefer to get our work done instead of kicking the can down the road.
	However, it appears that the only thing that seemed possible for us to accomplish before adjourning for the holidays was to pass the CR and till Sept February 8th, that the Senate passed unanimously last night.
	However, after another Twitter tantrum, House Republicans are once again catering to Trump's worst impulses with this terrible bill.
	This bill wastes billions of taxpayer dollars, fails to fully address the urgent needs of deva disaster victims, and will fail in the Senate.
	It is a waste of time for us to consider it.
	Our country faces many pressing needs, and there is simply no reason to waste 5.7 billion dollars on President Trump's immoral, unnecessary, irresponsible wall.
	Yeah, immoral wall.
	Did you guys know that walls could be immoral?
	How dare you all do such immoral things?
	Actually, walls are tools, and they are tools that can help uh enforce the law.
	And uh actually I I was thinking about this, you know, as a former Uh prosecutor, civil trial lawyer, judge, felony judge, chief justice.
	You know, I one of the things we deal with time to time uh is something called an attractive nuisance.
	And that is the legal doctrine under which if and and the most common example is if you have a swimming pool and a child is attracted to that, we know they would be attracted to a pool that got water.
	If you don't have a fence up and a child wanders in and falls in the pool and drowns, you're gonna get sued and you are actually going to be held liable uh in most of the situations.
	So we know that children are being uh drawn into the United States.
	Uh so just it wouldn't it be interesting if there was a way to hold people in America um you know fiscally liable for not putting up a fence or a wall in order to protect the children from being drawn into a country where they die where they go across desert or or they get drawn into sex trafficking or drug trafficking.
	Uh uh gee, if we had a wall, if we had a fence, uh we could save a lot of lives.
	But there is just uh so much hypocrisy.
	It it is just unbelievable.
	But I also got to come back to this.
	You know, with all this this baloney thrown around about immorality, an immoral wall.
	I come back to what uh John Adams said in 1797 as our second president.
	His quote was this constitution is intended for a moral and religious people.
	It is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other.
	That was true then, it's still true.
	If you are not going to have a majority of the people in the United States who are moral, who are religious people, and as Adams believed when he said religious, that that meant that you know the country had biblical underpinnings uh to make our self-government work.
	And if we're not gonna have that, then really the Constitution doesn't work.
	You can't have freedom of speech, assembly, freedom of religion.
	You certainly can't have guns for anyone but uh Democrats bodyguards when we've ceased to be a moral and religious nation recognizing our our biblical basis for so much for uh most of our country's history.
	So anyway, we have our work cut out for us, and I see that uh we got Todd from Georgia, 26-year Army vet.
	Uh Todd, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louis Gomert.
	Uh, what's your comment about uh our border?
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you for uh having my call.
	One I just want to say uh it's incredible, like I say, the people don't realize the issues that we have and the complexity with uh you know the time that I was able to serve uh with the border patrol while I was in the army down there for a short period of time.
	We're on a thirty uh thirty-five mile sector of the border, and it was non-stop traffic coming across.
	They identify them, put them back across.
	And the second part, the drugs are the uh uh, you know, obviously an issue too.
	Uh we had a suburban that came across uh had full of marijuana, full of dope.
	The only part that was empty was a driver's seat.
	And the guy got out of the vehicle, ran back across the river.
	Uh the agents went down on the on the vehicle and they found out later through an informant that it was just diversion for 46 pounds of coke that came across at the same time down the river.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Well, uh exactly.
	And uh we're gonna have Tom Fitton on the show from Judicial Watch here shortly, but uh it is a huge problem.
	And we are funding the corruption in Mexico.
	What kind of caring people refuse to stop the flow of money to the drug cartels?
	How can you say that you're a caring person when uh we're not doing everything we can to defund the drug cartels?
	I've been down there many times myself, Todd, and we've seen it, and by the way, thank you for your twenty-six years uh uh Army active duty.
	Uh I I only had four years on active duty at some place called Fort Benning, Georgia, but are very grateful for your service.
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	This is Louis Gomert sitting in.
	Let's go to Greg in Ohio.
	You have an observation about walls.
	Hey, Louie.
	I just wanted to say thank you for letting me on your show and also for being on the uh Sean Hannity show.
	It's a very special thing to me.
	It is to me too.
	Thank you.
	So what's your observation about walls?
	Well, I'm I'm a retired pastor, and I just wanted to share with the gentleman who apologized for not being a theology student.
	And I uh wanted to share with the uh person who was uh considering a wall immoral.
	Uh probably they could find that out if they read their Bible, they could find out Jesus said, I am the door.
	And also um if they would read in the book of Revelation, they would find that there are walls in heaven, and uh strangely enough, and uh there is a separation between heaven and hell.
	So you know, Randy Weber, Congressman from Houston area, was telling me he saw a bumper sticker that says heaven has walls and gates and a strict immigration policy.
	Uh hell has no walls, no immigration policy.
	Everybody's free to come.
	So it is a bit theological there, but thank you so much uh for for that observation and for your commitment to helping spread the truth.
	Thank you, Greg.
	Uh really appreciate it.
	Let's go quickly.
	Just got a minute.
	Let's go to Alex in New Jersey.
	Alex, welcome to the Sean Handy Show.
	Congressman Golmer, thank you so much.
	Uh big fan of yours.
	I'd like to thank you for all you do in the conservative cause and of course in the uh uh immigration.
	Um I I just have to really commend you and other um Republicans on the committee who can actually sit there and not come out of the side of their nuts listening to someone like a Gutierrez lecturing us on morality of all things.
	Um what can we do as Congressman uh and as conservatives here to push back against hypocrisy?
	I mean, I know the Democrats love placards.
	Um is it possible for for um the Republican um members on the committees to uh you know show the tapes and play the tapes of these Republicans like Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, and Obama who were begging for walls and talking about illegal aliens and how they we cannot have it.
	Well, Alex, that's the thing.
	Uh you know, it's uh well the old adage is democracy ensures people are governed no better than they deserve.
	It bothers you.
	That tells me a lot about you.
	But when Americans don't care enough to be upset over the hypocrisy, we got trouble.
	Well, thank you for listening to Sean's show.
	This is Louis Gomer.
	We're gonna be back with Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch.
	This is the Sean Hannity show.
	This is Louis Gomert uh sitting in for Sean today.
	Uh Honored to be doing so.
	And I'm also honored to have a very dear friend, a great American, uh, as Sean would like to say.
	Um Tom Fitton, he's a New York Times best selling author of the corruption chronicles and clean house exposing our government secrets and lies.
	He's a president of Judicial Watch.
	And I'm telling you, no one has done more to root out uh corruption and government fraud.
	Really digging down and getting more information than really any congressional committee, House or Senate.
	They dig deep, they file uh Freedom of Information Act requests, they go to court when they get told no, they go to court and they get a yes.
	Uh in Congress, it seems like uh, you know, we uh especially in the House, we ask for things, we don't get them, and we say, oh, gee, well, I guess there's nothing to be done.
	Well, there is something to be done, and I'm grateful that Tom Fitton does it, even if uh Congress doesn't.
	Tom Fitton, welcome to the Sean Hannity show.
	Glad to have you on.
	Hey, Louis Gormer, thanks for having me.
	I appreciate that gracious introduction.
	Well, you know I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it, if I didn't believe it.
	Sometimes saying things I believe gets me in trouble, but I still that's the way it is.
	And that's one of the things I love about Judicial Watch.
	You know, you've gone after um investigated the Clinton administration, Bush administration, Obama administration, and uh you're the group that actually helped dig out information that um uh was used uh in the Bill Clinton impeachment proceedings.
	Uh and also you took the Bush White House secrecy all the way up to the Supreme Court.
	So you've you do amazing work and uh you've actually done a great deal of digging.
	Uh uh it appeared that you got a great deal more information regarding Benghazi, for example, than uh any congressional committee did.
	Wouldn't you agree with that?
	Oh, yes, and uh we've got the smoke and gun documents that led to creation to the creation of the Benghazi Select Committee, and indirectly uh you know, our questions about what was going on at Benghazi led to the State Department disclosing finally the fact they had all these Clinton emails they've been hiding for you for years from the American people and from Congress.
	Yeah, and and actually you had a president who had said he didn't even know about her private email, and then then it turned out he had emailed the private email using a pseudonym, uh, which uh use of pseudonym would seem like maybe it uh is an indication he knew something wasn't right, so he didn't use his real name.
	But uh, you know, with and and you've got a book coming out, don't you?
	Oh no, I don't have a book.
	But you you did have the corruption chronicles and and clean house, but uh I tell you you guys continue going after records that should be made available to American citizens.
	Why don't you tell us some of the things you're you guys are doing these days at Judicial Watch?
	Well, we're still battling on Clinton emails.
	We had a federal court a few weeks ago, Judge Royce Lambreth, who's out of Texas as well.
	He uh ruled that Hillary Clinton's email system was one of the gravest offenses to modern uh transparency.
	And uh so we authorized discovery, so we're gonna be taking more evidence on the Clinton email scandal, and we're right in the thick of it on these deep state attacks on President Trump, the effort to overflow the presidency, thirty plus Freedom of Information Act lawsuits.
	Uh you we received the FISA warrations.
	We received the documents showing that Christopher Steele, the Clinton spy, was getting paid by the FBI and then presumably cut off, but not really cut off because he started meeting with the Justice Department on the fly through Bruce Orr.
	All this is coming out because of Judicial Watch, not congressional activity.
	And and it just shows you that as the Democrats take control of Congress, or at least the House, our independent watchdog work is gonna be even more important than ever because obviously the Democrats are gonna have very different priorities than even the weak-willed Republican leadership that you had to contend with.
	Well, and and when you look at uh you know, Mueller, for example, in the special counsel job, uh uh um it's incredible what Mueller has gotten away with.
	And actually, in conjunction with Sean, I I would had been going back and forth with Sean uh earlier la this year that gee, you know, Mueller has uh I mean I I was gonna do an op-ed on just uh how atrocious Mueller's background of injustice was and vindictiveness and meanness, not justice, but just real vindictiveness.
	And uh I I'd pointed out, gee, you know, normally papers don't want to publish anything more than like eight hundred to thousand words top, and and I'd blown by that and Sean had just indicated look, write whatever, and then we'll we'll put it out uh through the internet from my website.
	So that's what we did, and it was about 40 agent 48 pages of just uh the way this guy, he didn't care about people being uh innocent or guilty.
	If he had it in for somebody, he went after them, and and actually Eric Holder had pointed out some time back that uh he r he'd known Mueller for what do you say, twenty or thirty years and that uh you know, in his opinion he wasn't gonna stop until he got something basically to indict um President Trump for.
	But I think when the history is written of this Mueller special counsel group, including Weisman and of course they're were answering to Rosenstein, all of whom were involved in the real Russia scandal where they allowed Russia to get away with buying our or end up with our uranium.
	But uh I think it is going to be written.
	Mueller, McCabe, Strzok, so many others that uh my opinion they're gonna end up being written up as the fraudsters who attempted a soft coup d'etat, and uh maybe I hope that they will write it was unsuccessful, but the jury's still out on that.
	Uh d do you recall ever seeing anything or reading about anything in history that was as much of an effort to oust a sitting president using legal process.
	Absolutely not.
	Uh during the Johnson administration in the nineteenth century was a fight over the appointment power of the presidency and the uh uh uh the ending of the civil war and the fights over that that led to the impeachment of Andrew Johnson.
	Yeah, that's a straight political fight.
	Yeah, yep.
	You're right.
	You know, Nixon, you know, there were abuses of office and with Nixon, and the Democrats helped Nixon to a standard they refused to hold Johnson to, for instance.
	Uh but but Nixon uh you know duh dug his own grave uh in terms of his misconduct.
	Here they concocted a theory of the case, which is that Russia was uh conspiring with Trump, and it was a theory generated as a res from the Clinton campaign.
	Right, right.
	And they use it as a pretext to spy on Trump.
	There's nothing to compare with uh that in our American history in terms of the abuses of power, the various agencies, all of which were on you know, all hands on deck for the Obama administration.
	Yeah.
	NSA, CIA, FBI, DOJ, to target the Trump team.
	And it continued into his administration incredibly with the apex of the Mueller investigation.
	Yeah, well, Tom Fitton, judicial watch, uh you you've got such great experience.
	You've seen these things, and you're right about the Andrew Johnson impeachment, it was uh political.
	But uh in this case, it is extraordinary.
	The more we found out about Steele, the MI s former MI6 guy, you know, you got Comey and all these other people that were verifying the validity of uh this information they presented to a j judge uh got four different warrants, and then we find out actually I was shocked to find out Steele hadn't been to Russia in many years.
	He didn't do this research.
	He he had others doing it for him.
	We don't know if it's second, third, fourth, fifth hand hearsay.
	Uh we don't know if people at the bottom of it may have been Russian actors uh acting on behalf of Putin because obviously they want to cause as much uh disarray in the United States as possible.
	Uh so it and then we find out in a hearing two or three weeks ago that gee, uh Russia only spent forty, seven hundred dollars trying to manipulate the election using the the the U.S. Internet.
	It's extraordinary.
	But how do you see this playing out?
	I I told Harris Faulkner last summer when people were saying, Oh yeah, Mueller's gonna be done by September.
	I was going, nope, he's not gonna be through by September.
	He's gonna drag this out past the election.
	He's gonna drag it out as long as he can, because as long as he's doing this, uh limitations are running on any crimes that he and Weisman and others, Rosenstein, others might have committed.
	So well, how do you see it playing out, Tom?
	I I I don't see them pulling back.
	I think at best there'll be there'll be an interim report which will uh be crushed for the impeachment mill for their allies in the Democratic controlled house.
	And I think Mueller's team sees them s sees themselves as impeachment counsel for the House, and they're gonna continue to be insist on being around uh to help the Democrats to try to remove the president.
	Uh you you uh able to t take a call with us?
	Sure.
	All right, let's hear from Lee in California.
	Lee, welcome to Sean Hannity show.
	You've got Louis Gomert and Tom Fitton.
	Thanks, Congressman Gomert.
	I appreciate your time.
	Oh, it's just Louie.
	But thanks.
	And my question would be, under the circumstances, as long as it's gone on, why hasn't or why can't Robert Mueller be charged with waste, fraud, and abuse?
	Tom, what are your thoughts?
	Because Mueller is the tail wagging in the Justice Department.
	So any misconduct by the Mueller operation, any oversight by the Mueller operation is lacking.
	And you know, for all the noise about the FISA warrants and everything, uh I I've been disappointed that you know uh absent people like Louis Gaulmert.
	Uh few in Congress have been willing to provide oversight of Mueller and take him on more directly and his gargantuan operation on more directly.
	And uh he's someone who is operating beyond all constitutional scope, authority, and guidance, and it's something that needs to change, and that's what we aim to do through our own litigation.
	Yeah, but he he is acting within this extraordinary scope that Rosenstein has given him basically anything you want to do, and as long as he's acting under the color of uh federal law, then uh he can't be charged.
	But there are things he could be charged with, and I would sure like to see a special counsel go digging into uh that uh Russia uranium investigation and how they silenced everybody so that uh you know the sale could go through and uh that resulted in Hillary getting 145 million for the for the um uh Clinton Foundation.
	We got to take a break.
	Uh Tom, can you come back on the other side?
	Can you hold on with us?
	All right, this is the Sean Hannity show, Louis Gomer, be right back with Tom Fitton, head of judicial watch.
	Call Sean, uh well, 800 941 Sean, and we'll be right back.
	It's Sean Hannity show, Louis Gomer sitting in for Sean, and I have with me Judicial Watch's president Tom Fitton.
	And uh Tom, you know, uh uh regarding Hillary Clinton's emails, the president then Obama had said, oh well, there was no evidence uh uh intent to uh anything inappropriate, but actually James Carville gave us evidence of intent.
	He knows the Clintons well, and he said basically that uh she didn't want Louis Gomert rifling through her emails, and I guarantee you uh I and others would have.
	But uh let's take a call quickly from James from Georgia.
	James, welcome to the Sean Handy Show.
	You got a Louis Gomert and Tom Fitton.
	Thank you very much, Louis.
	It's a pleasure to talk with both of you.
	Look, I I love Sean's show, but I I'm at the end with all this.
	You know, all across this nation tomorrow, people are going to be in court paying fines from everything from running a stop sign to theft or possibly even going to prison for worse crimes.
	Now the thing that's frustrating me the most.
	When are these people gonna be held accountable?
	I I want to see James Comey in handcuffs.
	There was a time in this nation's history, someone like Peter Stroke would have been taken outside and shot in the face for for attempting to usurp the will of the American people.
	Well there were lies, there were all kinds of things that could lead to uh criminal charges.
	And uh I don't think uh we can close the book on that yet.
	But James, let me tell you, uh I don't think you will find two people that are more frustrated with the very thing that you've pointed out than Tom Fitton and Louis Gomert.
	Uh and there'll be others on the show the same way.
	We are as uh probably more upset than you are, and a lot of the reason is we didn't have Republican leaders who would stand up and take a a a position, and it has really hurt us.
	What what do you think, Tom?
	Well, you know, look, no, there's no time when someone had been taken out and been shot in the face.
	Look, Peter Strzok may have committed crimes.
	He needs to be investigated seriously by the Justice Department.
	That's not being done.
	Uh I don't want to guarantee a prosecution.
	This is the rule of law here, but I want serious investigations that people can have confidence in.
	Your callers highlighting the fact that uh regular people are subject to serious investigations.
	When there's obvious crimes, they're often prosecuted and convicted.
	And that's not the case for powerful people too often here in Washington, D.C., especially if they're in in key positions in law enforcement, like in the FBI and Justice Department.
	That's so true.
	Well, we got to take a hard break, but uh, we're gonna keep pushing to hold them accountable.
	Thank you for listening.
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	Louis Gomer's sitting in.
	Thank you, Tom Fitton.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louis Gomert sitting in for my dear brother Sean Hannity.
	Just love that guy.
	Um welcome.
	And if you have calls, questions, comments, uh call eight hundred-nine four one Sean.
	That's eight hundred-nine four one seven three two six.
	And by the way, during it during the last half hour, uh, I appreciate the uh uh just the vim and vigor of our callers, but but uh uh there's a teachable moment here one that said uh gee, there was a time when somebody lie like that, you'd take them out and shoot them in the face.
	And actually, uh I don't believe as a historian I ever recall any time when that was ever legal.
	Uh I do believe in the death penalty, but um I've spent my uh adult life making sure that nothing was done on behalf of the government uh of that nature unless there was due process.
	May shock you guys because most of you or hopefully a lot of you know how conservative I am.
	Uh I have pronounced two death penalties, but uh as an attorney I got uh court appointed to appeal a capital murder conviction, and as I told our highest court in Texas, look, I'm not some uh weak need guy coming in here that's totally against the death penalty.
	It I think there are cases where it's appropriate, and of course, not ever for just lying, but um but as I told them, but before you can ever use an extraordinary measure like that, you've got to make sure there's due process, and as I told them, in this case it didn't happen, and that's why this case must be reversed.
	Uh I don't know how many members of Congress has ever had a death penalty sentence reversed, but uh I did.
	So due process is still important, doesn't matter who you are.
	Uh this is America, and uh thank goodness for that.
	It's still a little longer.
	Now, I'm excited to have two of my dear friends uh coming on the show, both Congress members.
	Uh Morgan Griffith is uh elected Congress from Virginia's ninth District and Scott Perry, also a general uh in our uh army, um, which he may be retiring from that soon, but uh also from Pennsylvania, but the fourth district.
	And uh they're here to talk about uh the need to secure the border and the funding for the wall and the current state of things in Congress.
	If you got a question or comment, uh eight hundred nine four one seven three two six.
	Uh and by the way, we have got some tweets here from President uh Trump.
	He says border patrol agents want the wall, and I can verify that.
	I've been down there too many times, talk to them too often.
	Democrats say they don't want the wall, even though they know it really is needed and they don't want ice, they don't have much to campaign on, do they?
	An open southern border and the large scale crime that comes with such stupidity.
	Well, there's a guy that calls it like he sees it.
	That's something I like.
	Uh but welcome to the Sean Hannity show.
	Uh my dear friends Morgan Griffith and Scott Perry.
	Not only are they good friends, but they're both brilliant.
	And Morgan Griffith, I gotta say, after we lost the majority in two thousand six, um, I started carrying around the rules of the House, and uh I felt like gosh, uh it struck me I've never been in a courtroom where I didn't know all the rules of the court and I didn't know all the rules because so many of them are not actually rules.
	But Morgan Griffith has dug into the rules and as uh he's really the rules advisor to the Freedom Caucus.
	And when somebody has a question, they can go to the parliamentarian or they can go to Morgan.
	And Scott Perry, God bless him, he feels the way uh we do and those that have called in.
	Um, you know, they're just so much injustice we got to stand up against, and he's never had a problem with doing that.
	So welcome to Sean Hannity Show, Morgan Griffiths, Scott Perry, glad to have you here.
	Morgan, let me start with you.
	What could we do to get the wall funded?
	Well, I you know, there's a lot of things we could do.
	It uh unfortunately I'm hearing Louie that uh the House has said they don't expect any votes, and the Senate is now expected to say they're gonna punt until uh the new Congress comes in.
	I hope that's not true because there are things we could do.
	Of course, the easiest one would be for the Senate to revise its rules in cases like this and get rid of the modern filibuster rule, which didn't come about until the nineteen seventies, go back to the historic rule where you actually have to stand in the well of the Senate and argue your case.
	Doesn't that make sense?
	So I love that.
	I mean, that was you know, Jimmy Stewart, Ms. Smith goes to Washington.
	You want to take the time, you gotta stand there and debate.
	We're not just gonna have a gentleman's agreement.
	You can say you're gonna filibuster and say, Oh, well, we'll all go home.
	Right.
	And another uh another thing they could do is we could uh use reconciliation.
	Now the time is running low on that.
	But certainly if we had started earlier, even last week, and theoretically we could do it if we started today, but it doesn't look like leadership in the Senate wants us to go in that direction.
	But we could um we could do it uh the time it's a good thing.
	Well Morgan explain I'm sure a lot of people I'm sure a lot of people hear the term reconciliation and it doesn't make sense uh what it was he's talking about.
	Sure.
	But it does get around the requirement in the Senate, the self-imposed requirement of fifty, fifty-one votes that they get sixty votes in order to begin a debate.
	But so explain reconciliation, what could be done through that so-called process to avoid having to get sixty votes?
	Well, what happens is we send a budget over with instructions that they work towards uh money for the wall, and then uh we would then instruct them to reconcile our budget with the Senate budget, and that only requires a uh a mere majority, doesn't require the sixty votes to get through the debate.
	And that moves the process along a lot faster.
	Uh the Senate could do that if if we were all uh willing to work through the weekend, but it doesn't appear that the Senate leadership is willing to uh move that way.
	I think the House would if the Senate said we were willing to move that way.
	I know that the members of the House Caucus, the Republican caucus would do so based on that strong vote.
	Nancy Pelosi said we couldn't get the vote.
	Yep.
	Uh to pass the the five billion for the wall and uh we we got it and I think we had about a thirty vote margin.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Well Scott, uh I mean you're Pennsylvania.
	You had a close race this last time.
	I was shocked that uh people didn't understand that just how important you are to the U.S. Congress.
	But what are you hearing from folks uh about the wall?
	Well Louie, thanks so much for uh having me and Morgan on and this great audience that Sean has and and for being Louis Gomer, the guy that we all look up to stands up all the time, any time, every time against injustice.
	And and I tell you what what I'm hearing whether I was in the post office, you know, uh on Christmas Eve and then I went to a gas station.
	Uh I I went to a couple different places.
	My wife kept on waiting for me to get home.
	I told her I would just be a few minutes, but every single place I went, people, of course they recognize me.
	I'm there a member of Congress and we just had a a pretty high profile race here in Pennsylvania for the seat and uh the almost every single person said to me, when are we going to build the wall?
	You got to build the wall.
	We got to secure the border.
	We can't have these people coming in.
	We got people in Louie you know this fentanyl coming from China across the southern border up seven hundred seizures, up seven hundred and fifty percent uh since the beginning of the year.
	That stuff is killing a person in each one of my counties uh every single day on overdose and and and we know that uh the border security that the president's talking about a physical barrier works in the places that it's been tried whether it's been San Diego and uh or or Israel, whether it's been in this country or other countries, we see the infiltration of people coming across a physical barrier when you have one drop by ninety or more percent.
	So when when the Liberals say that it doesn't work, I I have no idea where they're getting their information.
	Uh you know that the Vatican has a wall around it and as you know uh uh Louie very well uh President former President Obama's new home in Washington DC has a a physical barrier wall of fence around it because y and you know why that has it it's because it works.
	And uh you know quite honestly I don't understand the tactic of the Democrat.
	I kind of did understand it initially when uh when sued to be speaker Pelosi said you don't have the votes so we're not gonna do this.
	But once we produce the votes, it seemed to me that if if she were smart about this tactically she would say well you do this now, vote the way you want to, you do your wall funding or whatever, and we can all vote no Republicans a vote yes and I won't have to deal with it in my speaker's race.
	But I'm gonna tell you this president is he he is steadfast for the America America's border security and he's gonna stand firm I think on this thing and sooner or later she he's gonna crack them and and and they're gonna have to vote for some kind of border security because this president knows that our country has been left bare, has been laid bare Louie you know this well I mean we're hearing the reports just this week about people being dropped off by the hundreds at the bus station or what have you and now they're just in the country.
	You don't know who they are you don't know where they're going.
	You don't know their criminal backgrounds if they have them or not.
	You don't know any of that stuff.
	And here they are and and Miss Pelosi's gonna have to deal with that.
	Well we've all heard people and I know it bothers you like it does me comparing our desire for a wall where we need it to the Iron Curtain.
	Morgan have you heard people in your district uh make that comparison or is everybody smart enough to understand one keeps people in forcing them to totalitarianism and the other just tries to protect what's there from people that would do damage to it.
	Well, you do have a few people that say things like that, and they don't understand that, look, we all want to have those people that want to share in the American dream to have an opportunity to come here if they want to come here and work hard.
	But the first act in sharing that American dream is not to break our laws.
	And if we want to talk about making our laws better and easier for people to get into the country, that's fine.
	But first, let's secure our borders and make sure that we don't have a flood coming across the border of people that we don't want.
	said who are freeing drugs who are doing illegal trafficking bringing folks across forced labor, sex Uh slaves, et cetera, it's just not right, and we've got to do this.
	And the president, even if we don't get it done uh and get the government uh moving forward with the money in the budget for the wall, the president has the veto power.
	So if the Democrats think that somehow next week it's going to change things, it's not because the president uh has the the veto power, and the House will not override the president on Wallman.
	Well, we've just got a minute, but let's take uh question from uh Glenn in San Antonio.
	Welcome to the Sean Hannity show.
	You're on with Louis Gomer, Morgan Griffith, and Scott Perry.
	Good afternoon, gentlemen.
	I I I'm just a little confused on the bill that we passed in the Congress last week, and then it moved over to the Senate, and the Senate voted to move that bill forward, which had the uh funding for the wall as well as disaster relief in it.
	It is that bill the the House bill, is it dead when the new Congress is sworn in January the third, or is it still alive to where the Senate can still vote on it?
	Morgan.
	No, it's it's dead.
	Once you go to a new Congress, all bills from the previous Congress are are then dead.
	So we'd have to start over.
	But the Democrats have to understand they've still got to get something that's agreeable to the president because he will veto and we will support his veto if they don't have the wall money in there.
	And and they would have to get a lot of Republicans in order to override the veto.
	And that is correct.
	I I just don't think they would have those votes.
	Well, folks, uh Morgan, Scott, can y'all hang on through the break?
	I sure can.
	All right, we'll be right back with more of the Sean Hannity show.
	Uh call in 800-941-7326.
	Louis Gomert with members of Congress, Morgan Griffith and Scott Perry.
	Uh Morgan's a little quieter.
	Scott and I get out there pretty pretty loudly sometimes expressing our our position.
	But Morgan, I wanted people to hear you.
	I mean, as smart as you are and as principled as you are, uh, what do you think we where we just got a couple of minutes?
	Where where do you think we should go now as Republicans going into the minority over the wall and the spending?
	Well, on the wall, we have to uh we have to back up the president when he vetoes the uh the Democrat uh bill.
	If it doesn't have wall money in it, then we'll have to we'll have to back up the president's veto, and I think we can do that.
	Other than that, we will have to make sure that we try to hold them in check and aggressively uh pursue uh you know the bills that they're putting forward and try to put friendly amendments on it and try to make them better, and then just fight like crazy and get the word out to the American people, because that's our job as the loyal opposition, recognizing they won the election.
	We're not going to try to turn it over as they've done with the presidential election.
	Well, but we also have a job to do for our constituents, and our constituents said don't let them do these things to America.
	That's right.
	And I remember when we went into the minority, you guys, thank goodness we're not there then, but uh it was a miserable time.
	But then our minority leader, uh named Boehner, kept using expressions like, let's just keep feeding them rope and eventually they'll hang themselves uh figuratively speaking.
	And it just absolutely wasn't true.
	As I got up in conference once and said, Look, you keep saying we need to feed them rope and they'll hang themselves.
	They're using it to hog tie us.
	It's time we stand up.
	Scott, what do you think we ought to be doing as we go into the minority next week?
	Well, Louie, thank you.
	And of course, we we wish we weren't in the minority, but there's a reason for all that.
	Uh in the meantime, we have to be the loyal opposition, and maybe people don't understand that, but that means we've got to be loyal to our country, loyal to our bosses that elected us, uh, but opposed to the bad things that we know uh the Democrats are going to try and implement and uh and force on the American people, and I think one of the biggest things we things we can do in this current circumstance, like you said, is uh like Morgan said is sustain a presidential veto.
	But the other thing we can do is go out and communicate about why this is important.
	And when people say stuff like, well, you know, this is wasted money, walls don't work, it's too expensive, so on and so forth.
	I know for Pennsylvania, which is about 12 and a half, 13 million people, we spend about a billion three a year on illegal immigration and hospitalization, education, incarceration, those type of things.
	If you take the the uh population of the United States, 320 some odd million people, divide that by the same.
	We're gonna have to cut off now.
	But uh y'all please come back uh Scott and Morgan, we'll be right back with Sean Hannity show.
	Here references to an immoral wall.
	We have heard wall demonized.
	And yet I read yesterday that President Obama in his new house has constructed a 10 foot wall around his property.
	Now, either the walls work or they don't.
	And if we're gonna have Democrats continue to say they don't work, then you need to stand up and say, Mr. Obama, tear down your wall.
	I yield back.
	All right.
	This is the Sean Hannity show.
	This is Louis Gomerman, and yes, that was me on the House floor.
	And in fact, on the debate over the spending bill that had the wall money in it, uh I I heard one time too many uh about an immoral wall.
	So I walked over to Rodney Freelandheisen who was managing the time on the spending bill.
	I said, Rodney, you got 30 seconds you could give me to address this.
	And he said, I'll give you two minutes.
	No, I just need 30 seconds.
	But anyway, yeah, the hypocrisy of these people to have walls around their own property, and then to say they don't work.
	Well, you need to tear down your wall.
	Now, I'm thrilled I've got a longtime friend that I've had uh his maximum respect for as an economist and as an American, of course, he um had uh been with the Wall Street Journal and uh is now a distinguished visiting fellow project for economic growth at the Heritage Foundation.
	He uh was uh an advisor to Donald Trump regarding the economy, and he's got a brand new book out with his dear friend and mine, uh Arthur Lafford, just another economic genius um called Trumics, Inside the America First Plan to Revive Our Economy.
	I love it.
	And uh Stephen Moore, I am thrilled to have you on the Sean Hannity show.
	Uh welcome.
	Hi, Congressman Luck.
	I didn't know you had a second profession, but you're doing a great job, and I love that uh that uh clip from the speech you gave on the on the house floor.
	I was I was laughing out loud when I heard you say that.
	That was well done.
	You know, my my my mom, who was a very wise woman, used to say, you know, the old saying that uh big walls make good neighbors.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, and actually uh Robert Frost had that similar sentiment.
	Uh yep, yep.
	Uh and there is something to that.
	And you know being the economic guru you are, and and any time you and Laffer co uh collaborate on anything, it sure gets my attention because you guys are just wonderful.
	Uh and by the way, uh I don't know if I ever told you.
	We laugh and I had so much fun writing this book because you know, we just had a great time working with Donald Trump.
	And this is a guy people always ask me, well, you know, there were so many great people writing for president, you know, the Republican side, you know, including uh your your fellow Texan Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush and you know uh just you know we uh all of these great great people running Ben Carson, so on.
	And people say, you know, why did you why did you guys get behind uh Donald Trump so early?
	Because it was very controversial when we backed Trump.
	And and it's because two reasons.
	One is he just had the look of a winner.
	You know, that guy's just a winner.
	And number one, and number two, you know, he understands economics in a in a in a he's got the kind of New York street smarts that you need to uh understand how the world works, that you know, with no disrespect to you, you're one of my best friends now of Congress.
	Sometimes the politicians don't really understand how the real world works.
	Well, and he's businessman mentality to Washington.
	That's what Trump economics is.
	It's bringing business sensibilities to Washington, and When you do that, boy, does it work.
	Yes, and this is a guy that knows how to negotiate as well.
	And it has driven me crazy over the years to have Republicans just roll over and and get such bad deals.
	And I was told by a uh U.S. trade rep at the time that look, you know, you gotta understand that we're the biggest economy in the world, so that when we negotiate a deal that's better for another country than it is ours, since we're the biggest economy, in the end, it actually inures more to our benefit than anybody else.
	And I'm going, no, if it's a bad deal for us, it's a bad deal for us.
	And I couldn't understand that mentality.
	And that's as smart as you and Laffer are.
	Um I mean, you get it, and this president knows how to negotiate.
	And you know, I've never been a big fan of tariffs, but every time I hear him mention tariffs, it it's clear what it is, a bargaining chip.
	And you got it.
	He says, now we're gonna do this tariff.
	But now, of course, if you work out a deal with this, then we don't have to do the tariffs.
	And so even though I've never been a big tariff uh uh fan, uh, it just is great to have a president that knows how to negotiate.
	It's wonderful.
	And by the way, one of the biggest compliments I've ever had is when you tell me uh, Louie, I quote you uh s and and I don't always give you Yeah, I know what you're gonna say.
	I'll say it before you do.
	I'll say it before you do.
	Uh that I want to make sure I get this right, that uh that the corporate income tax in America is a tariff on our own goods and services.
	That's it.
	It is it's and I what the reason so funny that when you say that is when Lar Larry Cudlow and I in our laughter sat down for the first time with Donald Trump, which was about three years ago, and we showed him this chart that showed, look, you know, Donald, we called him Donald back then, we now call him Mr. President.
	Right.
	You know, we you know, you've seen that chart.
	Uh we we were at f uh forty percent and the rest of the world's at twenty percent, you know, and you called it twenty percent.
	I I also called a twenty percent head star program for every country we compete with.
	It is you know, we showed that to Trump and he got it instantly, but especially when I said this is like a tariff on our own services.
	Yeah, he got that instantly, but he he taught me one thing, you know.
	I'm supposed to be the economist who understands of the stuff, he's the businessman, but I remember, you know, when when he was talking about trade and Larry and I said, Well, we can't work for you because we're for trade free trade.
	He said, He said, Look, I'm a free trade person too, but it's gotta be fair, it's gotta be a level playing field.
	And he said, Go look at the evidence.
	And I I actually started looking at the numbers, and that man taught me something, which is you know this now, I think too.
	All these other countries that we have trade deals with, they have much higher terrorists than we do.
	Wait a minute.
	I thought I thought we had a level playing field.
	There's no level playing field out there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And then we do these trade deals, and yes, they take some of our products, but uh before Trump, it was never completely fair to the United States.
	Uh we were opening more to their products than they were to ours.
	It just it didn't make sense.
	So I love having a lot of people.
	You know what we say the last line of virtually the last line of our book is wouldn't it be ironic that if this president who everybody says is a trade protectionist, uh and I think this is gonna turn out to be true.
	I'm gonna say it uh uh, you know, uh to you on this show in front of your uh that I believe excuse me, I believe that Donald Trump is gonna win on trade, and we are gonna end up with freer trade.
	Not not, you know, more of trade restrictions, freer trades because these other countries are gonna open up their markets to us.
	And we will have a level playing field with lower tariffs, which is what Steve Forbes wants, what Steve Morrill wants, what Larry Cudlow wants, what uh laugh wants, what uh what you want, and what Donald Trump wants.
	Sure.
	We just want we want a you know, a fair game.
	And it's not you know, you remember Trump used to say the rest of the world laughing behind our back, and they were laughing at us, but they're not laughing at us anymore.
	Well, and and you look at uh these climate accords, you know, you hear uh people from other countries say this simply will not work unless the United States is a party, and I'm going, yeah, it doesn't work because we're the only ones gonna pay everybody else.
	How smart is that?
	Well, so tell us what you meant.
	One of the things that I've been on this is that you know this one, but I bet a lot of your listeners don't because nobody in the media really reports it.
	Do you know what country, Louie, last year of all the industrialized countries lowered its carbon emissions the most?
	I do, and it is astounding for those who just watch CNN or MSNBC.
	Please tell them.
	Yep.
	We've done it.
	How could that happen?
	Wait a minute, we're not part of the Georgia Treaty.
	We're not part of all these stupid treaties.
	We don't have a cap and trade system because it's what's going on in Texas with your shale oil and gas revolution.
	Sure, but we're doing it cleanly, and that's what people can't get.
	They just don't understand.
	But on the other hand, if you're a country with a struggling economy, then the last place you put a priority is on the environment.
	Here in the United States, we want clean air, we want clean water, we want things clean.
	And if the economy is going strongly enough, then we can spend money doing that.
	But what do you m when you use uh you and uh Arthur Laffer used the title Trumponomics?
	Uh can you give us a shorthand definition of that?
	Yeah, it's basically bringing business principles, putting America first, American businesses first, American workers first, uh, and and making sure that everything that we do in Washington is oriented towards making America number one.
	And gee, what a concept that we should put our interests above the interest of France or Canada or Australia or China or India.
	But that's what a president should do, and he does it in every decision he makes.
	And I gotta tell you, uh, Louie, I did spend a good bit of time with him during the campaign.
	Yep.
	Every time we would suggest a policy to him, you know, whether on regulation or taxes or anything, he'd always say, How will this affect working class Americans?
	This is and he'd always say, look, the rich can take care of themselves.
	I want to make sure these policies are helping working class Americans.
	And by the way, I just finished my latest column.
	This 2018 was the year of the American worker.
	American workers have the best uh we have the best job market today.
	We've had it fifty years.
	It's incredible.
	And he's supposed to be this mean, callous guy that could care less about it.
	But I mean, I saw him in the Oval Office with the uh daughter of uh one of my deceased constituents, Carrie.
	We we'd pass Kerry's law that just says you got you you if you have a multi-line phone, you cannot require any um numbers preceding nine one one, and this little girl had tried to call nine one uh and and never could get through because she didn't know you had to have uh a seven before it.
	So we got that done, and the president was so sweet to this little girl, just absolutely precious.
	People haven't seen that, but he was like a uh a father that has had daughters, you know.
	And anyway, they don't see that side of him.
	But um heck I mentioned, you know, I'd supported Ted uh in the um primary.
	I'd uh uh um endorsed him way early when it things just got going.
	I'd worked with him, knew him.
	But in September 2016, in a one on one with uh now President Trump, I'd said uh you know, I I know it historically, but the presidents that were said to have been the smartest, the best, all this kind of stuff, they didn't do well.
	And I ran through, you know, the and I said if you look at the ones that were were said to have been crazy, whether Teddy Roosevelt, oh my gosh, he's sending all these Navy ships around, what's he gonna do next?
	I said you go back to Saturday Night Live when Ronald Reagan was president, they have him walking around with his finger out going, uh, where's the red button?
	Uh I want to launch some some missiles.
	And I said, it absolutely helps if people in other countries with whom you negotiate think you're a little crazy.
	He said, Well, they say I'm a little I'm very crazy.
	I said, That's why I think you've got a chance to be one of the best presidents we've ever had when it comes to foreign diplomacy.
	And it it really does make a difference in these deals he's doing.
	He's getting good deals for America.
	Well, I agree with all of that.
	I I saw those kinds of um instances too, where the way he treats people, you know, uh you know, I I always say, you know, most politicians are wonderful people in in public and jerks in private.
	Not you, but most of the people.
	Sometimes he can be a jerk in public, and in the in private, he is the sweetest person you ever meet.
	He is but he's generous, he is he is charming, he's attentive, he couldn't be nicer.
	I mean, I you know, I walk after that first meeting with him for an hour, because I went into that meeting.
	We talk about this in the book in the first chapter is called Meeting Trump.
	And Larry and I walked into that meeting with him back in late 2015.
	Very skeptical.
	I had a negative impression of Donald Trump when I walked in that room.
	And after staying an hour with him, I'm like, oh my God, I have stars in my eyes.
	This guy is the most amazing uh communicator.
	And you know, the only other person I really have met in my lifetime who had that effect on me was Ronald Reagan.
	Seriously.
	Well, that's high praise.
	Well, look, we got to take a break.
	Uh hang on with us, Stephen Moore, and we and the Sean Hannity show will be right back.
	I'm Louis Gomer.
	This is the Sean Hannity show.
	Louis Gomer sitting in with my dear friend Stephen Moore.
	Steve, we just have a minute left, but listen, if we put a wall where we need it, we totally secure the border as the president wants to do.
	What happens to the Mexico economy that's so overridden with drug cartel corruption now?
	It causes it helps the economy of Mexico and the United States.
	I am very pro-immigrant, but immigrants have to come into this country legally, lawfully.
	And I used to tell Donald Trump, build the build the wall, make sure it has gates so people come in legally.
	We can't reform our immigration system, which hasn't been reformed in 30 years until we get the border secure.
	It's so obvious.
	That is so true.
	I mean, they're talking about amnesty, and you have the border patrol say every time you guys even mention an amnesty legalization, it just sucks people in.
	And I mentioned earlier in the show, that makes it kind of like an attractive nuisance where you don't put up a fence around the pool and kid falls in.
	You're liable.
	You pay him.
	So it seemed like the best thing we could do for Mexico, doesn't it?
	I mean, we want uh you know I'm all in favor of open trade and and and migration back and forth, but it has to be lawful.
	We have to regularly have to know who's coming, so we know that it's not criminals and terrorists and drug runners into our country.
	We'll be right back, Sean Hannity show.
	This is the Sean Hannity show.
	This is Louis Gomert sitting in for my dear friend Sean.
	And uh I tell you, uh in the first hour I'd quoted uh John Adams when he was president of the United States, 1797, saying that uh, you know, this Constitution was intended for a moral and religious people.
	It is wholly inadequate for the government and many other.
	And Adams uh as a believer, he uh felt like the best thing, the best uh uh chance for America's future was to be biblically based.
	And it is such a treat for me to have our next guests on.
	Um I just think the world of him back in the 80s.
	My wife and I were uh directors of a college department teaching in a college Sunday school department, and uh some of the college students said, Hey, you gotta hear this guy, and gave what back then was just a cassette tape.
	And it was Stephen Curtis Chapman.
	I'm going, I love this guy, I love his music.
	He writes my heart, he sings my heart.
	And uh I guess uh March of 2017, he came out with a book uh between heaven and the real world, and he's had songs that reflect that, but uh especially Heaven in the Real World.
	And I was slow, I didn't get the words enough, but I recently read that and just uh really thrilled to have on the Sean Hannity show, Stephen Curtis Chapman, the most awarded Christian, and I know he it makes him feel like he's violating in humility requirements, but uh he is the most awarded artist in Christian music history, 58 Gospel Music Association Dove Awards, five Grammys, American Music Award, 48 number one singles, uh selling over 11 million.
	I'll I'll go on and on, but just because it makes him uncomfortable, I'll stop there.
	But but uh Steven, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	It is such a treat to have you on, and thank you for all you do for really the uh soul of America.
	Uh you you uh you are quite the minister, and you do write and sing the hearts of so many Americans.
	It's great having you on.
	I think Mary Beth, your wife is on with us, and she is uh a New York Times best selling author, uh choosing to see uh all three letters of C capitalized speaker, wife of Stephen Curtis Chapman.
	But uh boy, Stephen, when you wrote the book, uh, you know, some people write a book so they can leave out the the problem parts.
	You you put it all in there.
	You you just went all out and Mary Beth.
	Uh I I know Kathy, if I tried to write all of that, she'd go, No, you're leaving that out.
	Um it's all there.
	It's just who you are.
	You're totally up front, and I would totally recommend uh what an incredible testimonial that you've walked.
	I mean, you walk the walk and and uh you don't just talk it, you walk it.
	So welcome.
	Louie, thank you, brother.
	You know how much uh I and the old Chapman clan love and appreciate you uh and your friendship through the years and your leadership and well, and let me tell the people listening, uh I've never talked to Stephen or Mary Beth or Emily about politics ever.
	Uh right.
	You know, they're brothers and sisters, and I have no idea how they've ever voted.
	I just know uh what an impact for good that they are on America.
	And man, sounds like you guys have had uh an incredible year.
	Mary Beth, you uh I was reading your blog post about the year.
	Uh it was an incredible year.
	Um extremely blessed is the word.
	I just have an incredible family.
	God's been gracious to us through the through the good and the incredibly difficult seasons that our family have had, and reflecting back on this past year, um couldn't be more a more proud uh wife, mother, and now Grammy uh to six beautiful little grandbabies and um yes, God just continues to make new things in the Chapman family, and so I'm very um very blessed.
	Well Stephen, you still got uh a whole lot of uh concerts under your SCC solo tour.
	Uh this is you without Caleb, without Will, uh without Jillian this is just Stephen uh himself.
	That's right.
	Well, we uh I started this and and you mentioned the book and and I will just real quickly say this about it.
	I I have had a lot of folks, you know, say that they have appreciated the just the candor and the honesty.
	And and really you mentioned Mary Beth's book, which is which I'm I'm gonna go on record, is far far better, is the the better book by far.
	But um, but she is uh it really was a a beautiful and honest story that she told of her life and our journey and and and her, you know, just perspective of even of course the many people know of, you know, the ten years ago or loss of our youngest daughter, and then but but her whole story and and people were so impacted by her honesty, and I've heard that over and over again in my concerts.
	And so as I sat down to tell my story uh in the book you mentioned between heaven and the real world, one of my real commitments was it was two H words I felt like that I just I stuck up at the top of every page.
	It was honor and honesty.
	And I felt like I I want to honor all the people that God has put in my life, ultimately honoring God who has been writing the story of my life from the beginning.
	But also I really want to be honest the impact that that has.
	Uh I believe that w in my life, I look at the the stories that have impacted my life the most, even in scripture are are the stories of you know, the honesty.
	You know, I'm so glad God, as I often say didn't edit out a lot of the parts of the story that we probably wanted to edit out of, you know, King David's life.
	If I had been King David, I would have only wanted the the Goliath killing stories in there or whatever, you know.
	But but those have encouraged me, and so thank you for just your encouragement of about my my story.
	And that sort of led into me deciding to do this solo tour.
	I've been remembering a lot over the last few years in writing my story and telling my story in my book.
	And there's just a powerful thing that happens when we remember.
	It's important.
	It's powerful.
	And it keeps us, I think, grateful.
	It keeps us humble because we remember where we've come from.
	But it especially keeps me hopeful because I remember not only where I've come from, but where, as a believer, where I believe and our family has held on to the belief of where this story is going, ultimately.
	And that's where we find the hope that has fueled my songs all these years, has fueled the work that we do as a family, and the work that we do through Show Hope, an organization that my wife and I started about 16 years ago now.
	And by God's grace and the support of so many thousands of people now, we've been able to be a part of miraculous stories of seeing thousands of children without families come into families and have a home.
	do some amazing work that we never could have even imagined when we started this 17, 18 years ago and we adopted our first of our three adopted daughters.
	So it's just been an amazing journey and it's it's been exciting to still get to you know strum my guitar and write some songs and tell my story and now watch the story and the baton being handed off you know even to our daughter Emily, you know, who you mentioned she with his you know you you mention in the book I mean Emily's a little girl and she's that I it's amazing.
	She's telling you she wants you to adopt that's gotta be pretty extraordinary.
	Yeah it's uh this past year is is really been um a full circle moment for us you know Emily at eleven years old going on a trip to Haiti with her mom coming back and just feeling this deep conviction that there are children not only around the world but even here domestically in the U.S. that you know are are going to sleep without families and so for her to have this deep conviction and and for it to come to you know fruition that we would then adopt our beautiful daughters from China she would go on to become
	a Baylor bear I'll mention that you're alone and go to school and and get a great education move off to Ireland get her her masters in theology come back have she got married, has her beautiful little family and then this past year we were um in the middle of the strategic plan for Show Hope and God just made it really clear that now is the time to kind of have her step into the leadership.
	We had an amazing um executive director before her that really mentored her and then um you know just this past December the the baton was passed to her.
	And so for me to see that full circle moment come that here is this eleven year old little girl who really God planted this in her heart and now to see um some over sixty two hundred children be affected through the work of Show Hope and be adopted into families.
	It's just an amazing amazing moment for me and she's she's the way better version of me I'll tell you that.
	God's been gracious to give me a beautiful daughter.
	Well yes but uh of course it Jeff Foxworthy that great uh Christian philosopher I'm just gonna but he said you know when his wife got pregnant he said he woke up sweating because he realized you can't as he said combine stagnant pine water and raw sewage and get avian water you know those genes come together from somewhere and uh you just see it in all three of your children.
	But um is Emily on here.
	Yeah.
	Hi, Louie.
	How are you?
	Hey, Emily.
	Doing well.
	But it was amazing.
	Just three days ago, Kathy and I were talking to a couple, and they said, all these best friends of ours, they're trying to adopt from China, and they're just having all this trouble because it would be the second adopted child.
	And I said, they approached Show Hope because that's what you've done.
	And as you've said, I didn't realize it was over 6,000 adopted children that you've helped uh have happened it's just amazing.
	And of course uh the song and you mentioned it in your book but uh you know it's it just uh I've never seen a group ever not moved to tears when they hear your song and your words.
	Oh by the way, I was shocked in your book when you said, you know, you just didn't have a good voice.
	Now I knew Herbie had a good voice and I was so glad you had him in in the album with in your dad and Deep Roots.
	Oh yeah.
	And by the way, I I've made you a lot of enemies in my neighborhood because I normally have that Deep Roots album playing really loud when I'm working in the backyard.
	And I think people in my neighborhood are sick of you, Steven.
	Sorry about that.
	But but I just love that.
	It's so uplifting.
	And and you're saying that is you going back to your roots a Paducah, Kentucky kid with all that and your dad and uh your how your dad had actually given up uh a music career to um uh actually raise a family and then for you to have been instrumental and made it happen of course Ricky Skaggs and he's on one of your songs on the Deep Roots album.
	I love that.
	You and Ricky sound really good together but I was blown away when you said well you didn't sound good and then Herbie was a better singer and then he encouraged you when you have your shot guys that that's a loving family.
	That's really amazing.
	You're a great example for Americans.
	And there's a lot of struggling.
	There's a lot of broken hearts around this country.
	And your walking testimonial, I never thought I'd see somebody say, as was said recently, they ought to outlaw the words, our thoughts and prayers are with you.
	Whoa, this is getting serious.
	When you are just walking testimonials of the good that's in America.
	Well, what can people do if they want to get involved and help out with Show Hope?
	Yeah, we would love for anybody just to become part of the Show Hope story and family.
	You can go to our website, www.showhope.org, and find out ways to donate there.
	We also have care centers in China where we care for about a little over 200 orphans that have medical needs.
	And so we're able to offer care there.
	And there's ways to gather supplies to send to the care centers and stuff like that that can all be found out on our website.
	And then we just love for people to get connected with the Show Hope story and follow along some of the journeys that these families are on and some of the kiddos that are coming home.
	Like Mom mentioned, 6,200 kids that we've been able to help through Show Hope Adoption Ags.
	grants and that represents over sixty countries including many children here in the United States that we've been able to help um sort of reduce that financial barrier that often stands between waiting children and and prospective adoptive families so yeah that's awesome that's all we got to take a hard break right here but if y'all just hang on we'll be right back with more of the Sean Hannity show we're talking to Stephen Curtis Mary Beth and Emily Chapman of course Emily Richards.
	We'll be right back Stephen Curtis Chapman, his wife Mary Beth, daughter Emily and uh we're short on time left but you guys are such a blessing to so many.
	Um hey in tough times where would you direct America other than show hope dot org?
	That's a good one.
	And MaryBethChapman.com, the blog.
	What do you think, Stephen?
	Well, you know what?
	We have found in our journey as a family, and so many of you listening, I know, even have prayed for our family in our journey together, particularly the journey of losing our little girl about 10 years ago.
	And we are a family who has lived and continue to live the reality that the only place where there is hope and light and purpose and peace is in our trust, our faith in God's love, God's grace.
	grace and uh that's obviously we've celebrated that at Christmas we're thankful uh that we get to celebrate that God is with us and we are living proof of that and we hope maybe our work with show hope my songs Mary Beth's uh work at Show Hope and and her book and whatever we can say will encourage people to know that uh God is good and He's with us and He's faithful.
	And there is a new album coming.
	I can't wait.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm gonna give you some more of that music that you can make.
	My neighbors are gonna hate you even more.
	That's right.
	So that's Oh, thank you so much for the blessing you are.
	Uh people needed to hear that.
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	This is the Sean Hannity show.
	This is Louis Gomert sitting in for my beloved brother by another mother, Sean Hannity.
	Just love the guy.
	What an asset to America he is.
	And the more you know him and especially as well as I know him, the more you just love the guy.
	Um so we have uh an amazing guest, and most of you are familiar with Hobby Lobby.
	Uh he is the CEO of Hobby Lobby and helped grow his family business to more than 800 stores in 47 states.
	Approximately 32,000 employees.
	Um, and of course, they feel so strongly uh about their faith uh that uh they were willing to take a case where the government was trying to discriminate based upon their Christian beliefs, and took it to the Supreme Court.
	And then out of all that, uh, he and the family become inspired.
	We ought to have a museum to the Bible.
	And as I understand it, there's not one totally dedicated to the Bible.
	This was a dream, it was a vision, and now in Washington, D.C., the museum of the Bible has been going for just over a year.
	It's uh extraordinary.
	And it it it doesn't matter if you're a Christian or orthodox Jew, you don't have to be either one of those to really appreciate this.
	Now, if you are either one of those, you're really gonna appreciate.
	But uh, we have with us Steve Green, Steve Green, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	And I'm delighted to to have you on to talk about Hobby Lobby.
	People are saying, you know, if there were just a Hobby Lobby around New York, it would do so well.
	There's not one around here.
	But uh that's for another day today.
	Tell us about how the museum of the Bible's first year has gone.
	Well, it's great to uh to be with you and uh thanks for having me on.
	The Museum of the Bible has gone exceedingly well for our first year.
	There's always uh things you would love to see done better, but uh for the most part with having uh a millionth visitor having come to the museum, uh it's it's done extremely well.
	Uh we love a lot of the comments that we're getting, uh exceeded our expectation.
	Uh it's it's been you know the favorite of our family as they've come and they've toured DC.
	So uh really getting some great responses, and uh it's exciting to see the visitor come and enjoy the experience there uh at the museum.
	Well, it I you know I've read study the Bible my whole life, and I was blown away with what you have there.
	And of course, there's one area uh where of course most people know the Vatican has had more biblical treasures than just about anybody other than Israel itself, and yet somehow you made a deal with the Vatican.
	They have an area where they provide the exhibits, isn't that the case?
	Uh that is, and and what's unique about the museum is that it really is a collaborative effort.
	Um there are items within the museum that uh you know fr from our own collection, but there's over 40 individuals and institutions that have have items uh on display within the museum, uh have traveling exhibits that will come and go as well.
	But the Vatican being uh one of those is we uh had a temporary exhibit at the Vatican uh back in 2014, and again in uh well 2020.
	That was before you had the museum even.
	That was before the museum.
	That's right.
	And uh and then uh the Israel Antiquity Authority as well has a space within the museum.
	They uh anything that's uh dug up in Israel, is owned by the Israel Antiquity Authority.
	They've got over two million artifacts in their muse in their warehouses.
	So we have uh opportunity the first time out of Israel.
	This is the first time out of Rome for the Vatican.
	That items uh have been on permanent display uh in in a museum, and so we're really excited about uh the collaborative effort of people coming together, people that love this book that may have different faith traditions, but uh we're setting aside our differences for a moment and saying, here's a book that that we all love and and let's come together and celebrate it.
	There is no book that even comes close to being quoted a fraction as much as the Bible in the congressional record.
	But what made me think about you, Steve, is I had a dear friend that that said, Oh, he was excited he was gonna come to Washington, wanted to hit the Smithsonian, and I have any other recommendation.
	I said, You gotta hit the museum of the Bible, and he said, There's a museum of the Bible.
	Oh my yes.
	And so then I thought, well, you know what?
	Um uh Sean, bless his soul, he's let me host his show.
	I need to get Steve on there to to tell people this is an extraordinary museum.
	Uh believe or non-believer doesn't matter.
	This is such an important place to visit.
	And just the the property you got, that that whole block that uh came available that you guys were able to you're part of uh basically the mall, uh just a couple of blocks behind.
	That was incredible.
	Yeah, it it we really just feel like that uh uh our faith both to cause us to believe that God had gone before us and that property became available.
	We had been looking for uh for a while there in DC and and this property uh came up on the market.
	It's two blocks from the Air and Space Museum.
	There is a uh Metro stop that comes up in the block where the entrance is.
	So uh a location of that size since uh we were looking, I don't think has come up since we acquired it.
	So uh it really was a special location, and uh we're very excited that we were able to to find one that close to the mall.
	Well, it's and and I know uh and appreciate your faith.
	Um, but I also love what uh a preacher in Denton, Texas said.
	He says, just because God's in control doesn't mean he wants us to lean on our shovel and pray for a whole and uh the Green family has used all the uh instruments that with which they've been blessed and has really made a difference.
	And I just want to thank you for that and encourage people, check out the museum of the Bible.
	It's something you'll never ever forget.
	Uh is there a website people can go see to prepare for their visit.
	They can.
	It's simply just museum of the Bible dot org and get uh information there, get tickets to to get into the museum, and uh we you know, we we engage some of the leading design firms around the country to help us build this out.
	So it's an incredible building, just incredible what you've done.
	And you knocked out every other floor so that there's plenty of room, you don't feel squashed, and it's just uh really the sky's the limit.
	Amazing place.
	Well Steve, I just had to get you on just so that anybody out there who was not aware uh the 15 million or so listening, you gotta know this is a place to visit.
	You will be sorely affected for the good.
	And even though you may go once or twice, exhibits change constantly.
	You can't go too many times and learn something new every time.
	So Steve Green of Hobby Lobby and your chairman actually of the board of the Museum of the Bible.
	That's right.
	Thank you for what you've done.
	Thanks for your faithfulness.
	You're you you're just a an incredible walking uh uh monument to what we're supposed to be.
	So thank you so much, Steve.
	You bet.
	Thank you, Louie, and you keep up the great work yourself.
	We sure trying.
	Well, thank you.
	And folks, we will be right back.
	This is the Sean Hannity show, and I'm Louie Gomer.
	Lucky to be sitting in for my dear friend Sean.
	We'll be right back.
	This is the Sean Hannity show.
	I'm Louis Gomer sitting in for my friend Sean, and we have and I'm not kidding.
	It sounded like something might be made up, but uh a friend calling from the jungles of Burma or Myanmar, but uh he is an amazing guy, and I'd heard about him as the son of uh missionaries to Thailand, and uh then found out wow, he went to Texas AM like I did.
	Wow, he had an army commitment like I did.
	Oh, he went to the army like I did.
	Except uh he went special forces route and ended up uh after he served his army, he had such a heart for people that are oppressed.
	He and his wife and his young children went to the uh uh jungles to uh Burma to help those who are being oppressed, they're especially the Christians just brutalized.
	And uh he not only brought the gospel to the area, he taught the villagers and is continues to teach them how to defend themselves from the military that would come in and burn their crops every fall or just uh uh devastate the uh women and children and and pull men apart, and just the horrific suffering that was instigated.
	He taught them to defend themselves.
	And so when I met him, turns out uh he and I were both in the core cadets and and he was uh some years after me, but uh was a commander of the same uh brigade that I had been, it was amazing.
	Uh yet he went and made something of himself really making a difference in the world.
	Uh so for the let me warn you, he's c talking on a satellite phone from from the jungles of Burma.
	Dave Eubank, are you there?
	Yes, sir.
	God bless you, Louis, and everybody who's listening.
	Well, uh there are millions listening.
	You have gotten a front seat view and not just a seat.
	You've been actively involved trying to help Christians protect themselves as uh as well as other tribal groups that are being oppressed, whether it's Kurds or others.
	Uh you were asked to come help uh in Syria to try to strategize.
	But uh I I was very concerned, and you can tell us firsthanded uh firsthand what what are you seeing happen to Christians?
	We know that we're the U.S. is helping uh tremendous number of uh um Muslim refugees.
	We care about people in the world, but uh we're seeing that such a smaller percentage of Christians than are located are actually getting help from the UN or the US.
	What are you seeing happening, Dave?
	Well, sir thanks.
	And you know, we when you first started talking, I just thought of what he has said in Luke 418 that among many things he came to set the Captain Three to see the oppressed.
	And we are working with Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, animists, we work with everybody to try to help us.
	In terms of Christians, I see great oppression.
	You know, where we are here in Burma, actually the first place the American missionaries ever went in the eighteen hundreds, and I'm an Aunt Judson.
	And the first believers were were Burmans and then ethnic minorities.
	And many of the ethnic minorities, let's see the Karen and the Chen, who later became our allies in World War II, many of them became Christian.
	And they've been persecuted.
	The longest civil war in the world right now.
	Seventy years of civil war in Burma.
	I'm right in the middle of it right now.
	And so I I see greater pressure here against um tribal people and Christian.
	Because they ascribe to the pious guy.
	And they don't they follow rules and laws, they don't bow down to dictators.
	So that's what I see here in in Kurdistan in Iraq, where we also take teams.
	Most almost all the Christians had to flee the name of a planes.
	Of course, they had to flee multiple.
	They were killed or taked out by ISIS.
	And now it's difficult even to get back in.
	And then in Syria, the same thing.
	I was just in a destroyed church that Christians used to live in.
	Nobody's there in the village.
	Oh, place called Kal Palmer.
	And all the Christians left.
	Some Christians are still in Syria, but now they say not only the remnants of ISIS is still in Syria, but now the Turks are getting ready to invade Syria if the US pulls out.
	So whether it's in Burma or in Iraq or Syria, I see um great persecution against Christians.
	I'm grateful for you, Louis, and for people who pray for these people and also stand with them.
	Well, and Tom Garrett just had been over there with you and uh, you know, Dana Rohrbach or Steve King and I have uh tried to help.
	But if somebody wants to help you in what you're doing, what should they do?
	Well, first, sir, I think we pray because God knows best how each of us can respond.
	I think second, um like Louie and Dana, Rohrbacher, and Tom Garrett, who's another one of my heroes with area with us.
	And then if they want to go to our website, it's www.freefurma rangers.org.
	Then they can see what we do, and they can see if they want to help us help people here.
	Well, well, thank you.
	We're a little short on time, but uh I just appreciate I know it's the middle of the night over in the jungles of Burma, Dave, but you're an inspiration, and you put uh all your effort and your family.
	Uh and by the way, folks, don't think there's this what he's doing doesn't come without cost, human cost.
	Uh, under constant threat.
	Uh the Burma government would like to see him dead.
	Uh his precious wife and children uh uh are testimonials to the people there.
	We really do care, and we're trying to help.
	You Dave, you've made a difference.
	You make me proud as an American, and I hope people will visit your website and uh see what they can do to help.
	But in the meantime, folks, this is uh Louis Gomert.
	I am honored to have a friend like Dave Eubank, even though there's some at the State Department that think he's crazy.
	Well, you know, so is Jesus.
	They he was said to be crazy, and yet he was the wisest.
	But uh folks, this country's in trouble.
	But Sean Hannity is helping, and you can help too.
	Care about what is going on around you.
	Uh, don't just lean on your shovel and pray for a hole.
	Let's get in.
	Let's make sure that we get people in office that care about the country, but more than anything, care about keeping their words.
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