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Dec. 27, 2018 - Sean Hannity Show

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Guest Host Louie Gohmert

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	And you may not be able to tell because Sean and I sound so much alike, but this is Louie Gomert.
	It's not Sean today.
	And I am just always honored that Sean would have me sit in and guest host for him.
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	So welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louis Gomert.
	And I just love doing this.
	Some people say, why would you do this?
	You're a member of Congress.
	For heaven's sake, one of the jobs of members of Congress is to get the word out on what's going on.
	And there is no better place.
	Heck, Sean's up over 600 affiliate radio stations.
	That's just fantastic.
	But, you know, something we've been dealing with, and I believe, I think you believe that one of the biggest promises that helped get Donald Trump elected to be President Donald Trump was a wall.
	And we didn't need the wall and still don't need the wall 2,000 miles.
	But there are places we need it.
	And as our Secretary of Homeland Security, Kirsten Nielsen, had said, testifying before our committee a couple of weeks ago, she said, every time there is a wall that's put up anywhere, it eliminates 95 plus percent of illegal immigration in that area.
	It just makes sense.
	And so, you know, we've been dealing with all this name-calling from most of the people that do the name-calling and talk about how horrendous the idea of a wall is.
	They got walls around their own houses.
	Some live in gated communities and whatnot.
	It's kind of like those that say we want to get rid of all guns.
	Well, all except for my personal bodyguards, that kind of thing.
	But Jason, why don't you play my good friend Mr. Gutierrez talking to the Secretary of Homeland Security?
	I don't think it'll be in this segment, but I mean, he called her all kinds of vile things.
	But Jason, let's hear that.
	During Christmas?
	A time in which we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, a Jesus Christ who had to flee for his life with Mary and Joseph.
	Thank God there wasn't a wall that stopped him from seeking refuge in Egypt.
	Thank God that wall wasn't there.
	And thank God there was an administration like this, or he would have too have perished on the 28th on the day of innocence when Herod ordered the murder of every child under two years of age.
	Maybe I haven't gone a lot to Bible school, but I know that part.
	Thank God.
	Shame on everybody that separates children and allows them to stay at the other side of the border, fearing death, fearing hunger, fearing sickness.
	Shame on us for wearing our badge of Christianity during Christmas and allow the secretary to come here and lie.
	Wow.
	He called her a liar.
	He called her more, all kinds of things.
	But anyway, she kept her cool, and I was proud of her for doing that.
	But that really got me.
	I am a Christian, and the way people bring up Jesus and Christianity.
	I mean, there was somebody on MSNBC just recently that asked the question, WWJD, what would Jesus do?
	I was thrilled to have somebody on MSNBC asking WWJD, wow, that's a start.
	We're going in the right direction when MSNBC would even bother to ask that question.
	But the hyperbole just gone through the roof.
	Anyway, it was hard to sit and listen to the bludgeoning that Secretary Nielsen got.
	And so I had to follow up on this thing of Jesus perishing because if the Republicans and Trump administration had been in Egypt, they would have had a wall.
	So this is what I had to come back and ask the Secretary.
	You mentioned that asylum is actually only found to be appropriate in about 10%, is that right, of the people that claim asylum.
	Yes, sir.
	And for my colleague who left, if Mary and Joseph were trying to come into the United States under the situation that existed and King Herod was trying to kill everybody under two, wouldn't they be eligible for asylum in the United States?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so he can scratch that from his concerns.
	They'd get into the United States.
	Yeah, so I just couldn't resist.
	I mean, it sounded good.
	Oh, my gosh.
	You know, Jesus would be perishing if the Trump administration had been in Egypt.
	Well, no, not so much.
	We could have a wall across the entire southern border.
	And if Mary and Joseph brought their young baby and they were fleeing a country where the leader was killing off the babies, you betcha, that's exactly what asylum is for.
	And it's not for 90% or so of those who come to our border.
	And especially when Mexico says, hey, you can stop here.
	You won't be persecuted.
	We'll help you get a job.
	You cannot say no to those and then be entitled legally to asylum in the United States.
	But then we get to the House floor.
	And once again, it's just all this vitriol about how horrendous a wall would be, how it's just terrible.
	And I'm not going to have you listen to the whole thing, but just Jason edited a little clip.
	You need to hear this part anyway.
	Mr. Speaker, Democrats would prefer to get our work done instead of kicking the can down the road.
	However, it appears that the only thing that seemed possible for us to accomplish before adjourning for the holidays was to pass the CR until February 8th that the Senate passed unanimously last night.
	However, after another Twitter tantrum, House Republicans are once again catering to Trump's worst impulses with this terrible bill.
	This bill wastes billions of taxpayer dollars, fails to fully address the urgent needs of disaster victims, and will fail in the Senate.
	It is a waste of time for us to consider it.
	Our country faces many pressing needs, and there is simply no reason to waste $5.7 billion on President Trump's immoral, unnecessary, irresponsible wall.
	Yeah, immoral wall?
	Did you guys know that walls could be immoral?
	How dare you all do such immoral things?
	Actually, walls are tools, and they are tools that can help enforce the law.
	And actually, I was thinking about this, you know, as a former prosecutor, civil trial lawyer, judge, felony judge, chief justice.
	You know, one of the things we deal with time to time is something called an attractive nuisance.
	And that is the legal doctrine under which if, and the most common example is if you have a swimming pool and a child is attracted to that, we know they would be attracted to a pool that got water.
	If you don't have a fence up and a child wanders in and falls in the pool and drowns, you're going to get sued and you are actually going to be held liable in most of the situations.
	So we know that children are being drawn into the United States.
	So just wouldn't it be interesting if there was a way to hold people in America fiscally liable for not putting up a fence or a wall in order to protect the children from being drawn into a country where they die, where they go across desert or they get drawn into sex trafficking or drug trafficking.
	Gee, if we had a wall, if we had a fence, we could save a lot of lives.
	But there is just so much hypocrisy.
	It is just unbelievable.
	But I also got to come back to this.
	You know, with all this baloney thrown around about immorality, an immoral wall, I come back to what John Adams said in 1797 as our second president.
	His quote was, this Constitution is intended for a moral and religious people.
	It is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other.
	That was true then.
	It's still true.
	If you are not going to have a majority of the people in the United States who are moral, who are religious people, and as Adams believed when he said religious, that meant that the country had biblical underpinnings to make our self-government work.
	And if we're not going to have that, then really the Constitution doesn't work.
	You can't have freedom of speech, assembly, freedom of religion.
	You certainly can't have guns for anyone but Democrats' bodyguards when we've ceased to be a moral and religious nation and recognizing our biblical basis for so much for most of our country's history.
	So anyway, we have our work cut out for us.
	And I see that we got Todd from Georgia, 26-year Army vet.
	Todd, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louis Gomert.
	What's your comment about our border?
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you for having my call.
	One, I just wanted to say it's incredible, like, say, the people don't realize the issues that we have and the complexity with the, you know, the time that I was able to serve with the Border Patrol while I was in the Army down there for a short period of time.
	We were on a 35-mile sector of the border, and it was non-stop traffic coming across.
	They identify them, put them back across.
	And the second part, the drugs are, you know, obviously an issue, too.
	We had a suburban that came across, had a full of marijuana, full of dope.
	The only part that was empty was a driver's seat.
	And the guy got out of the vehicle, ran back across the river.
	The agents went down on the vehicle, and they found out later through an informant that it was just a diversion for 46 pounds of Coke that came across at the same time down the river.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Well, exactly.
	And we're going to have Tom Fitton on the show from Judicial Watch here shortly, but it is a huge problem.
	And we are funding the corruption in Mexico.
	What kind of caring people refuse to stop the flow of money to the drug cartels?
	How can you say that you're a caring person when we're not doing everything we can to defund the drug cartels?
	I've been down there many times myself, Todd, and we've seen it.
	And by the way, thank you for your 26 years Army active duty.
	I only had four years on active duty at some place called Fort Benning, Georgia, but are very grateful for your service.
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	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louie Gomer sitting in.
	Let's go to Greg in Ohio.
	You have an observation about walls.
	Hey, Louie.
	I just wanted to say thank you for letting me on your show and also for being on the Sean Hannity show.
	It's a very special thing to me.
	It is to me, too.
	Thank you.
	So what's your observation about walls?
	Well, I'm a retired pastor, and I just wanted to share with the gentleman who apologized for not being a theology student.
	And I wanted to share with the person who was considering a wall immoral.
	Probably they could find that out if they read their Bible.
	They could find out Jesus said, I am the door.
	And also, if they would read in the book of Revelation, they would find that there are walls in heaven.
	And strangely enough, and there is a separation between heaven and hell.
	You know, Randy Weber, congressman from Houston area, was telling me he saw a bumper sticker that says, heaven has walls and gates and a strict immigration policy.
	Hell has no walls, no immigration policy.
	Everybody's free to come.
	So it is a bit theological there.
	But thank you so much for that observation and for your commitment to helping spread the truth.
	Thank you, Greg.
	Really appreciate it.
	Let's go quickly.
	Just got a minute.
	Let's go to Alex in New Jersey.
	Alex, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	Congressman Goldmer, thank you so much.
	Big fan of yours.
	I'd like to thank you for all you do in the conservative cause and, of course, in the immigration.
	I just have to really commend you and other Republicans on the committee who can actually sit there and not come out of the side of their necks listening to someone like a Gutierrez lecturing us on morality of all things.
	What can we do as congressmen and as conservatives here to push back against hypocrisy?
	I mean, I know the Democrats love placards.
	Is it possible for the Republican members on the committees to show the tapes and play the tapes of these Republicans like Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, and Obama, who were begging for walls and talking about legal aliens and how we cannot have it.
	Well, Alex, that's the thing.
	You know, it's, well, the old adage is democracy ensures people are governed no better than they deserve.
	It bothers you.
	That tells me a lot about you.
	But when Americans don't care enough to be upset over the hypocrisy, we got trouble.
	Well, thank you for listening to Sean's show.
	This is Louis Gomert.
	We're going to be back with Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louis Gomert sitting in for Sean today.
	Honored to be doing so.
	And I'm also honored to have a very dear friend, a great American, as Sean would like to say, Tom Fitton.
	He's a New York Times best-selling author of the Corruption Chronicles and Clean House, Exposing Our Government Secrets and Lies.
	He's the president of Judicial Watch.
	And I'm telling you, no one has done more to root out corruption and government fraud, really digging down and getting more information than really any congressional committee, House or Senate.
	They dig deep.
	They file Freedom of Information Act requests.
	They go to court when they get told no.
	They go to court and they get a yes.
	In Congress, it seems like, you know, we, especially in the House, we ask for things, we don't get them, and we say, oh, gee, well, I guess there's nothing to be done.
	Well, there is something to be done.
	And I'm grateful that Tom Fitton does it, even if Congress doesn't.
	Tom Fitton, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	Glad to have you on.
	Hey, Louis Gormer, thanks for having me.
	I appreciate that gracious introduction.
	Well, you know, I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it, if I didn't believe it.
	Sometimes saying things I believe gets me in trouble, but I still, that's the way it is.
	And that's one of the things I love about Judicial Watch.
	You know, you've gone after Investigated the Clinton administration, Bush administration, Obama administration, and you're the group that actually helped dig out information that was used in the Bill Clinton impeachment proceedings.
	And also, you took the Bush White House secrecy all the way up to the Supreme Court.
	So you do amazing work.
	And you've actually done a great deal of digging.
	It appeared that you got a great deal more information regarding Benghazi, for example, than any congressional committee did.
	Wouldn't you agree with that?
	Oh, yes.
	And we've got the smoke and gun documents that led to the creation of the Benghazi Select Committee.
	And indirectly, our questions about what was going on at Benghazi led to the State Department disclosing, finally, the fact they had all these Clinton emails they've been hiding for years from the American people and from Congress.
	Yeah, and actually you had a president who had said he didn't even know about her private email.
	And then it turned out he had emailed the private email using a pseudonym, which use of a pseudonym would seem like maybe it is an indication he knew something wasn't right, so he didn't use his real name.
	But, you know, and you've got a book coming out, don't you?
	Oh, no, I don't have a book.
	You did have the Corruption Chronicles and Cleanhouse.
	But I tell you, you guys continue going after records that should be made available to American citizens.
	Why don't you tell us some of the things you guys are doing these days at Judicial Watch?
	Well, we're still battling on Clinton emails.
	We had a federal court a few weeks ago, Judge Royce Lamberth, who's out of Texas as well.
	He ruled that Hillary Clinton's email system was one of the gravest offenses to modern transparency.
	And so we authorized discovery.
	So we're going to be taking more evidence on the Clinton email scandal.
	And we're right in the thick of it on these deep state attacks on President Trump, the effort to overthrow the presidency, 30-plus Freedom of Information Act lawsuits.
	We received the FISA warrant applications.
	We received the documents showing that Christopher Steele, the Clinton spy, was getting paid by the FBI and then presumably cut off, but not really cut off because he started meeting with the Justice Department on the sly through Bruce Orr.
	All this is coming out because of Judicial Watch, not congressional activity.
	And it just shows you that as the Democrats take control of Congress, or at least the House, our independent watchdog work is going to be even more important than ever because obviously the Democrats are going to have very different priorities than even the weak-willed Republican leadership that you had to contend with.
	Well, and when you look at, you know, Mueller, for example, in the special counsel job, it's incredible what Mueller has gotten away with.
	And actually, in conjunction with Sean, I had been going back and forth with Sean earlier this year that, gee, you know, Mueller has, I mean, I was going to do an op-ed on just how atrocious Mueller's background of injustice was and vindictiveness and meanness, not justice, but just real vindictiveness.
	And I pointed out, gee, you know, normally papers don't want to publish anything more than like 800 to 1,000 words top.
	And I'd blown by that.
	And Sean had just indicated, look, write whatever, and then we'll put it out through the internet from my website.
	So that's what we did.
	And it was about 48 pages of just the way this guy, he didn't care about people being innocent or guilty.
	If he had it in for somebody, he went after them.
	And actually, Eric Holder had pointed out some time back that he'd known Mueller for, what did he say, 20 or 30 years?
	And that, you know, in his opinion, he wasn't going to stop until he got something basically to indict President Trump for.
	But I think when the history is written of this Mueller special counsel group, including Weissman, and, of course, they were answering to Rosenstein, all of whom were involved in the real Russia scandal where they allowed Russia to get away with buying our end up with our uranium.
	But I think it is going to be written.
	Mueller, McCabe, Strzok, so many others, that in my opinion, they're going to end up being written up as the fraudsters who attempted a soft coup d'état.
	And maybe I hope that they will write it was unsuccessful, but the jury's still out on that.
	Do you recall ever seeing anything or reading about anything in history that was as much of an effort to oust a sitting president using legal process?
	Absolutely not.
	During the Johnson administration in the 19th century, it was a fight over the appointment power of the presidency and the ending of the Civil War and the fights over that that led to the impeachment of Andrew Johnson.
	It was a straight political fight.
	Yep, yep, you're right.
	You know, Nixon, you know, there were abuses of office with Nixon, and the Democrats held Nixon to a standard they refused to hold Johnson to, for instance.
	But Nixon, you know, dug his own grave in terms of his misconduct.
	Here, they concocted a theory of the case, which is that Russia was conspiring with Trump, and it was a theory generated from the Clinton campaign.
	Right, right.
	And they used it as a pretext to spy on Trump.
	There's nothing to compare with that in our American history in terms of the abuses of power, the various agencies, all of which were all hands on deck for the Obama administration.
	NSA, CIA, FBI, DOJ, to target the Trump team.
	And it continued into his administration incredibly with the Apex's the Mueller investigation.
	Yeah, well, Tom Fitton, Judicial Watch, you've got such great experience.
	You've seen these things, and you're right about the Andrew Johnson impeachment.
	It was political.
	But in this case, it is extraordinary.
	And the more we found out about Steele, the former MI6 guy, you know, you had Comey and all these other people that were verifying the validity of this information they presented to a judge, got four different warrants.
	And then we find out, actually, I was shocked to find out Steele hadn't been to Russia in many years.
	He didn't do this research.
	He had others doing it for him.
	We don't know if it's second, third, fourth, fifthhand hearsay.
	We don't know if people at the bottom of it may have been Russian actors acting on behalf of Putin because obviously they want to cause as much disarray in the United States as possible.
	And then we find out in a hearing two or three weeks ago that, gee, Russia only spent $4,700 trying to manipulate the election using the U.S. Internet.
	It's extraordinary.
	But how do you see this playing out?
	I told Harris Faulkner last summer when people were saying, oh, yeah, Mueller's going to be done by September.
	I was going, nope, he's not going to be through by September.
	He's going to drag this out past the election.
	He's going to drag it out as long as he can because as long as he's doing this, limitations are running on any crimes that he and Weissman and others, Rosenstein, others, might have committed.
	So, well, how do you see it playing out, Tom?
	I don't see them pulling back.
	I think at best there'll be an interim report, which will be crested for the impeachment mill for their allies in the Democratic-controlled House.
	And I think Mueller's team sees themselves as impeachment counsel for the House, and they're going to continue to insist on being around to help the Democrats try to remove the president.
	Well, you able to take a call with us?
	Sure.
	All right, let's hear from Lee in California.
	Lee, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	You've got Louie Gomert and Tom Fitton.
	Thanks, Congressman Gohrin.
	I appreciate your time.
	It's just Louie, but thanks.
	And my question would be, under the circumstances, as long as it's going on, why hasn't or why can't Robert Mueller be charged with waste, fraud, and abuse?
	Tom, what are your thoughts?
	Because Mueller is the tail wagging the Justice Department.
	So any misconduct by the Mueller operation, any oversight by the Mueller operation is lacking.
	And, you know, for all the noise about the FISA warrants and everything, I've been disappointed that absent people like Louis Gomert, few in Congress have been willing to provide oversight of Mueller and take him on more directly and his gargantuan operation on more directly.
	And he's someone who is operating beyond all constitutional scope, authority, and guidance.
	And it's something that needs to change.
	And that's what we aim to do through our own litigation.
	Yeah, but he is acting within this extraordinary scope that Rosenstein has given him, basically anything you want to do.
	And as long as he's acting under the color of federal law, then he can't be charged.
	But there are things he could be charged with.
	And I would sure like to see a special counsel go digging into that Russia uranium investigation and how they silenced everybody so that the sale could go through.
	And that resulted in Hillary getting $145 million for the Clinton Foundation.
	We got to take a break.
	Tom, can you come back on the other side?
	Can you hold on with us?
	All right.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	Louis Gomert be right back with Tom Fitton, head of Judicial Watch.
	Call Sean, well, 800-941-Sean, and we'll be right back.
	It's Sean Hannity Show.
	Louis Gomert sitting in for Sean.
	And I have with me Judicial Watch's president, Tom Fitton.
	And Tom, you know, regarding Hillary Clinton's emails, the president then, Obama, had said, oh, well, there was no evidence intent to anything inappropriate.
	But actually, James Carville gave us evidence of intent.
	He knows the Clintons well, and he said basically that she didn't want Louie Gomert rifling through her emails.
	And I guarantee you I and others would have.
	But let's take a call quickly from James from Georgia.
	James, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	You got a Louis Gomert and Tom Fitton.
	Thank you very much, Louis.
	Pleasure to talk with both of you.
	Look, I love Sean's show, but I'm at wit's end with all this.
	You know, all across this nation tomorrow, people are going to be in court paying fines from everything from running a stop sign to theft or possibly even going to prison for worse crimes.
	Now, the thing that's frustrating me the most, when are these people going to be held accountable?
	I want to see James Comey in handcuffs.
	There was a time in this nation's history, someone like Peter Strzok would have been taken outside and shot in the face for attempting to usurp the will of the American people.
	Well, there were lies.
	There were all kinds of things that could lead to criminal charges.
	And I don't think we can close the book on that yet.
	But, James, let me tell you, I don't think you will find two people that are more frustrated with the very thing that you've pointed out than Tom Fitton and Louis Gomert.
	There'll be others on the show the same way.
	We are probably more upset than you are.
	And a lot of the reason is we didn't have Republican leaders who would stand up and take a position.
	And it has really hurt us.
	What do you think, Tom?
	Well, you know, look, there's no time when someone would have been taken out and been shot in the face.
	Look, Peter Strzok may have committed crimes.
	He needs to be investigated seriously by the Justice Department.
	That's not being done.
	I don't want to guarantee your prosecutions.
	This is the rule of law here.
	But I want serious investigations that people can have confidence in.
	And your caller is highlighting the fact that regular people are subject to serious investigations.
	When there's obvious crimes, they're often prosecuted and convicted.
	And that's not the case for powerful people too often here in Washington, D.C., especially if they're in key positions in law enforcement like in the FBI and Justice Department.
	That's so true.
	Well, we've got to take a hard break, but we're going to keep pushing to hold them accountable.
	Thank you for listening.
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	Louie Gomert sitting in.
	Thank you, Tom Fitton.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louis Gomert sitting in for my dear brother, Sean Hannity.
	Just love that guy.
	Welcome.
	And if you have calls, questions, comments, call 800-941-Sean.
	That's 800-941-7326.
	And by the way, during the last half hour, I appreciate just the vim and vigor of our callers, but there's a teachable moment here when it said, gee, there was a time when somebody lied like that.
	You'd take them out, shoot them in the face.
	And actually, I don't believe, as a historian, I ever recall any time when that was ever legal.
	I do believe in the death penalty, but I've spent my adult life making sure that nothing was done on behalf of the government of that nature unless there was due process.
	It may shock you guys because most of you, or hopefully a lot of you, know how conservative I am.
	I have pronounced two death penalties, but as an attorney, I got court appointed to appeal a capital murder conviction.
	And as I told our highest court in Texas, look, I'm not some weakneed guy coming in here that's totally against the death penalty.
	I think there are cases where it's appropriate.
	And of course, not ever for just lying.
	But as I told them, but before you can ever use an extraordinary measure like that, you've got to make sure there's due process.
	And as I told them, in this case, it didn't happen, and that's why this case must be reversed.
	And I don't know how many members of Congress has ever had a death penalty sentence reversed, but I did.
	So due process is still important.
	Doesn't matter who you are.
	This is America.
	And thank goodness for that.
	It's still a little longer.
	Now, I'm excited to have two of my dear friends coming on the show, both Congress members.
	Morgan Griffith is elected Congress from Virginia's 9th District.
	And Scott Perry, also a general in our Army, which he may be retiring from that soon, but also from Pennsylvania, but the 4th District.
	And they're here to talk about the need to secure the border and the funding for the wall and the current state of things in Congress.
	If you've got a question or comment, 800-941-7326.
	And by the way, we have got some tweets here from President Trump.
	He says Border Patrol agents want the wall, and I can verify that.
	I've been down there too many times, talked to him too often.
	Democrats say they don't want the wall, even though they know it really is needed and they don't want ICE.
	They don't have much to campaign on, do they?
	An open southern border and the large-scale crime that comes with such stupidity.
	Well, there's a guy that calls it like he sees it.
	That's something I like.
	But welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	My dear friends, Morgan Griffith and Scott Perry.
	Not only are they good friends, but they're both brilliant.
	And Morgan Griffith, I got to say, after we lost the majority in 2006, I started carrying around the rules of the House.
	And I felt like, gosh, it struck me.
	I've never been in a courtroom where I didn't know all the rules of the court.
	And I didn't know all the rules because so many of them are not actually rules.
	But Morgan Griffith has dug into the rules.
	And he's really the rules advisor to the Freedom Caucus.
	And when somebody has a question, they can go to the parliamentarian or they can go to Morgan.
	And Scott Perry, God bless him, he feels the way we do and those that have called in.
	You know, there's just so much injustice we got to stand up against.
	And he's never had a problem with doing that.
	So welcome to Sean Hannity Show.
	Morgan Griffiths, Scott Perry, glad to have you here.
	Morgan, let me start with you.
	What could we do to get the wall funded?
	Well, you know, there's a lot of things we could do.
	Unfortunately, I'm hearing, Louie, that the House has said they don't expect any votes, and the Senate is now expected to say they're going to punt until the new Congress comes in.
	I hope that's not true because there are things we could do.
	Of course, the easiest one would be for the Senate to revise its rules in cases like this and get rid of the modern filibuster rule, which didn't come about until the 1970s.
	Go back to the historic rule where you actually have to stand in the well of the Senate and argue your case.
	Doesn't that make sense?
	So I love that.
	I mean, that was, you know, Jimmy Stewart, Mr. Smith goes to Washington.
	You want to take the time?
	You got to stand there and debate.
	We're not just going to have a gentleman's agreement.
	You can say you're going to filibuster and say, oh, well, we'll all go home.
	Right.
	And another thing they could do is we could use reconciliation.
	Now, the time is running low on that, but certainly if we had started earlier, even last week, and theoretically we could do it if we started today, but it doesn't look like leadership in the Senate wants us to go in that direction.
	But we could do it.
	The time is a good idea.
	Morgan, explain.
	I'm sure a lot of people hear the term reconciliation, and it doesn't make sense.
	What are they talking about?
	But it does get around the requirement in the Senate, the self-imposed requirement of 50, 51 votes, that they get 60 votes in order to begin our end debate.
	So explain reconciliation.
	What could be done through that so-called process to avoid having to get 60 votes?
	Well, what happens is we send a budget over with instructions that they work towards money for the wall, and then we would then instruct them to reconcile our budget with the Senate budget.
	And that only requires a mere majority.
	It doesn't require the 60 votes to get through the debate.
	And that moves the process along a lot faster.
	The Senate could do that if we were all willing to work through the weekend.
	But it doesn't appear that the Senate leadership is willing to move that way.
	I think the House would if the Senate said we were willing to move that way.
	I know that the members of the House caucus, the Republican caucus, would do so based on that strong vote.
	Nancy Pelosi said we couldn't get the vote to pass the $5 billion for the wall.
	And we got it, and I think we had about a 30-vote margin.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Well, Scott, I mean, you're Pennsylvania.
	You had a close race this last time.
	I was shocked that people didn't understand just how important you are to the U.S. Congress.
	But what are you hearing from folks about the wall?
	Well, Louis, thanks so much for having me and Morgan on and this great audience that Sean has and for being Louie Gomer, the guy that we all look up to, stands up all the time, anytime, every time against injustice.
	And I tell you, what I'm hearing, whether I was in the post office, you know, on Christmas Eve, and then I went to a gas station.
	I went to a couple different places.
	My wife kept on waiting for me to get home.
	I told her I would just be a few minutes, but every single place I went, people, you know, of course they recognized me.
	I'm their member of Congress, and we just had a pretty high-profile race here in Pennsylvania for the seat.
	And almost every single person said to me, when are we going to build the wall?
	You've got to build the wall.
	We've got to secure the border.
	We can't have these people coming in.
	We've got people in, Louis, you know this.
	There's fentanyl coming from China across the southern border, up seizures, up 750% since the beginning of the year.
	That stuff is killing a person in each one of my counties every single day on overdose.
	And we know that the border security that the president's talking about, a physical barrier, works.
	And the places that it's been tried, whether it's been San Diego or Israel, whether it's been in this country or other countries, we see the infiltration of people coming across a physical barrier when you have one drop by 90 or more percent.
	So when the liberals say that it doesn't work, I have no idea where they're getting their information.
	You know, the Vatican has a wall around it.
	And as you know, Louis, very well, President, former President Obama's new home in Washington, D.C. has a physical barrier, a wall, a fence around it, and you know why that has it.
	It's because it works.
	And, you know, quite honestly, I don't understand the tactic of the Democrat.
	I kind of did understand it initially when suit-to-be Speaker Pelosi said, you don't have the votes, so we're not going to do this.
	But once we produce the votes, it seemed to me that if she were smart about this tactically, she would say, well, you do this now, vote the way you want to, you do your wall funding or whatever, and we can all vote no.
	All you Republicans will vote yes, and I won't have to deal with it in my speakers' race.
	But I'm going to tell you, this president is steadfast for America's border security, and he's going to stand firm, I think, on this thing.
	And sooner or later, he's going to crack them.
	And they're going to have to vote for some kind of border security because this president knows that our country has been left bare, has been laid bare.
	Louis, you know this well.
	I mean, we're hearing the reports just this week about people being dropped off by the hundreds at the bus station or what have you, and now they're just in the country.
	You don't know who they are.
	You don't know where they're going.
	You don't know their criminal backgrounds, if they have them or not.
	You don't know any of that stuff.
	And here they are.
	And Ms. Pelosi is going to have to deal with that.
	Well, we've all heard people, and I know it bothers you like it does me, comparing our desire for a wall where we need it to the Iron Curtain.
	Morgan, have you heard people in your district make that comparison?
	Or is everybody smart enough to understand one keeps people in, forcing them to totalitarianism, and the other just tries to protect what's there from people that would do damage to it?
	Well, you do have a few people that say things like that, and they don't understand that, look, we all want to have those people that want to share in the American dream to have an opportunity to come here if they want to come here and work hard.
	But the first act in sharing that American dream is not to break our laws.
	And if we want to talk about making our laws better and easier for people to get into the country, that's fine.
	But first, let's secure our borders and make sure that we don't have a flood coming across the border of people that we don't want, people, as Scott said, who are freeing drugs, who are doing illegal trafficking, bringing folks across for forced labor, sex slaves, et cetera.
	It's just not right.
	And we've got to do this.
	And the president, even if we don't get it done and get the government moving forward with the money in the budget for the wall, the president has the veto power.
	So if the Democrats think that somehow next week it's going to change things, it's not because the president has the veto power and the House will not override the president on Walmart.
	Well, we've just got a minute, but let's take a question from Glenn in San Antonio.
	Welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	You're on with Louis Gomert, Morgan Griffith, and Scott Perry.
	Good afternoon, gentlemen.
	I'm just a little confused on the bill that we passed in the Congress last week, and then it moved over to the Senate, and the Senate voted to move that bill forward, which had the funding for the wall as well as disaster relief in it.
	Is that bill, the House bill, is it dead when the new Congress is sworn in January the 3rd, or is it still alive to where the Senate can still vote on it?
	Morgan?
	No, it's dead.
	Once you go to a new Congress, all bills from the previous Congress are then dead.
	So we'd have to start over.
	But the Democrats have to understand they've still got to get something that's agreeable to the president because he will veto and we will support his veto if they don't have the wall money in there.
	And they would have to get a lot of Republicans in order to override the veto.
	That is correct.
	I just don't think they would have those votes.
	Well, folks, Morgan, Scott, can y'all hang on through the break?
	I sure can.
	All right.
	We'll be right back with more of the Sean Hannity Show.
	Call in, 800-941-7326.
	Louis Gomert with members of Congress, Morgan Griffith and Scott Perry.
	Morgan's a little quieter.
	Scott and I get out there pretty loudly sometimes expressing our position.
	But Morgan, I wanted people to hear you.
	I mean, as smart as you are and as principled as you are, what do you think?
	We've just got a couple of minutes.
	Where do you think we should go now as Republicans going into the minority over the wall and the spending?
	Well, on the wall, we have to back up the president when he vetoes the Democrat bill.
	If it doesn't have wall money in it, then we'll have to back up the president's veto, and I think we can do that.
	Other than that, we will have to make sure that we try to hold them in check and aggressively pursue the bills that they're putting forward and try to put friendly amendments on it and try to make them better, and then just fight like crazy and get the word out to the American people because that's our job as the loyal opposition, recognizing they won the election.
	We're not going to try to turn it over as they've done with the presidential election.
	But we also have a job to do for our constituents, and our constituents said don't let them do these things to America.
	That's right.
	And I remember when we went into the minority, you guys, thank goodness we're not there then, but it was a miserable time.
	But then our minority leader named Boehner kept using expressions like, let's just keep feeding them rope and eventually they'll hang themselves, figuratively speaking.
	And it just absolutely wasn't true.
	As I got up in conference once and said, look, you keep saying we need to feed them rope and they'll hang themselves.
	They're using it to hogtie us.
	It's time we stand up.
	Scott, what do you think we ought to be doing as we go into the minority next week?
	Well, Louis, thank you.
	And of course, we wish we weren't in the minority, but there's a reason for all that.
	In the meantime, we have to be the loyal opposition.
	And maybe people don't understand that, but that means we've got to be loyal to our country, loyal to our bosses that elected us, but opposed to the bad things that we know the Democrats are going to try and implement and force on the American people.
	And I think one of the biggest things we can do in this current circumstance, like you said, is, like Morgan said, is sustain a presidential veto.
	But the other thing we can do is go out and communicate about why this is important.
	And when people say stuff like, well, you know, this is wasted money.
	Walls don't work.
	It's too expensive, so on and so forth.
	I know for Pennsylvania, which is about 12.5, 13 million people, we spend about a billion three a year on illegal immigration and hospitalization, education, incarceration, those type of things.
	If you take the population of the United States, 320-some-odd million people, divide that.
	We're going to have to cut off now.
	But y'all please come back, Scott and Morgan.
	We'll be right back with Sean Hennedy show.
	Here, references to an immoral wall.
	We have heard wall demonized, and yet I read yesterday that President Obama in his new house has constructed a 10-foot wall around his property.
	Now, either the walls work or they don't.
	And if we're going to have Democrats continue to say they don't work, then you need to stand up and say, Mr. Obama, tear down your wall.
	I yield back.
	All right.
	This is the Sean Hennedy show.
	This is Louis Gomeer.
	And yes, that was me on the House floor.
	And in fact, on the debate over the spending bill that had the wall money in it, I heard one time too many about an immoral wall.
	So I walked over to Rodney Frielenheisen, who was managing the time on the spending bill.
	I said, Rodney, you got 30 seconds you could give me to address this.
	And he said, I'll give you two minutes.
	No, I just need 30 seconds.
	But anyway, yeah, the hypocrisy of these people to have walls around their own property and then to say they don't work.
	Well, you need to tear down your wall.
	Now, I'm thrilled I've got a longtime friend that I've had this maximum respect for as an economist and as an American.
	Of course, he had been with the Wall Street Journal and is now a distinguished visiting fellow project for economic growth at the Heritage Foundation.
	He was an advisor to Donald Trump regarding the economy.
	And he's got a brand new book out with his dear friend and mine, Arthur Laffer, just another economic genius called Trumponomics, Inside the America First Plan to Revive Our Economy.
	I love it.
	And Stephen Moore, I am thrilled to have you on the Sean Hannity Show.
	Welcome.
	Hi, Congressman.
	Well, look, I didn't know you had a second profession, but you're doing a great job.
	And I love that clip from the speech you gave on the House floor.
	I was laughing out loud when I heard you say that.
	That was well done.
	You know, my mom, who was a very wise woman, used to say, you know, the old saying that big walls make good neighbors.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And actually, Robert Frost had that similar sentiment.
	Yep, yep.
	And there is something to that.
	And, you know, being the economic guru you are, and anytime you and Laffer collaborate on anything, it sure gets my attention because you guys are just wonderful.
	And by the way, I don't know if I ever told you.
	Anyway, you know, I got to tell you, Congressman, Earl Laffer and I had so much fun writing this book because, you know, we just had a great time working with Donald Trump.
	And this is a guy.
	People always ask me, well, you know, there were so many great people running for president, you know, the Republican side, you know, including your fellow Texan Ted Cruz and Jeff Bush and, you know, just, you know, all of these great, great people running, Ben Carson and so on.
	And people say, you know, why did you guys get behind Donald Trump so early?
	Because it was very controversial when we backed Trump.
	And it's because two reasons.
	One is he just had the look of a winner.
	You know, that guy's just a winner.
	And number one, and number two, you know, he understands economics in a, he's got the kind of New York street smarts that you need to understand how the world works that, you know, with no disrespect to you, you're one of my best friends now of Congress.
	Sometimes the politicians don't really understand how the real world works.
	Well, and I love it.
	I'm bringing this businessman mentality to Washington.
	That's what Trumponomics is.
	It's bringing business sensibilities to Washington.
	And when you do that, boy, does it work.
	Yes, and this is a guy that knows how to negotiate as well.
	And it has driven me crazy over the years to have Republicans just roll over and get such bad deals.
	And I was told by a U.S. trade rep at the time that, look, you know, you got to understand that we're the biggest economy in the world.
	So that when we negotiate a deal that's better for another country than it is ours, since we're the biggest economy, in the end, it actually endures more to our benefit than anybody else.
	And I'm going, no, if it's a bad deal for us, it's a bad deal for us.
	And I couldn't understand that mentality.
	And that's as smart as you and Laffer are.
	I mean, you get it.
	And this president knows how to negotiate.
	And, you know, I've never been a big fan of tariffs, but every time I hear him mention tariffs, it's clear what it is, a bargaining chip.
	And he says, now, we're going to do this tariff.
	But now, of course, if you work out a deal with us, then we don't have to do the tariffs.
	And so even though I've never been a big tariff fan, it just is great to have a president that knows how to negotiate.
	It's wonderful.
	And by the way, one of the biggest compliments I've ever had is when you tell me, Louis, I quote you and I don't always give you credit.
	I know what you're going to say.
	I'll say it before you do.
	I'll say it before you do.
	That I want to make sure I get this right, that the corporate income tax in America is a tariff on our own goods and services.
	That's it.
	And the reason it's so funny when you say that is when Larry Kudlow and I and our laugher sat down for the first time with Donald Trump, which was about three years ago, and we showed him this chart that showed, look, you know, Donald, we called him Donald back then.
	We now call him Mr. President.
	You know, we, you know, you've seen that chart.
	We were at 40%, and the rest of the world's at 20%, you know, and you called it 20%.
	I also called it a 20% head start program for every country we compete with.
	It is.
	You know, we showed that to Trump, and he got it instantly, but especially when I said, this is like a tariff on our own services.
	He got that instantly.
	But he taught me one thing.
	You know, I'm supposed to be the economist who understands this stuff.
	He's the businessman.
	But I remember when he was talking about trade and Larry and I said, well, we can't work for you because we're for free trade.
	He said, look, I'm a free trade person too, but it's got to be fair.
	It's got to be a level playing field.
	And he said, go look at the evidence.
	And I actually started looking at the numbers.
	And that man taught me something, which is, you know this now, I think, too.
	All these other countries that we have trade deals with, they have much higher tariffs than we do.
	Wait a minute, I thought we had a level playing field.
	There's no level playing field out there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And then we do these trade deals.
	And yes, they take some of our products.
	But before Trump, it was never completely fair to the United States.
	We were opening more to their products than they were to ours.
	It just didn't make sense.
	So I love having a lot of people.
	You know what we say?
	The last line of it, provirtually, the last line of our book is, wouldn't it be ironic that if this president, who everybody says is a trade protectionist, and I think this is going to turn out to be true.
	I'm going to say it to you on this show in front of your that I believe that Donald Trump is going to win on trade and we are going to end up with freer trade, not more trade restrictions, freer trades because these other countries are going to open up their markets to us.
	And we will have a level playing field with lower tariffs, which is what Steve Forbes wants, what Steve Morrow wants, what Larry Kudlow wants, what our laugher wants, what you want, and what Donald Trump wants.
	We just want, we want a fair game.
	Remember Trump used to say the rest of the world's laughing behind our back.
	And they were laughing at us, but they're not laughing at us anymore.
	Well, and you look at these climate accords.
	You hear people from other countries say, this simply will not work unless the United States is a party.
	And I'm going, yeah, it doesn't work because we're the only ones going to pay everybody else.
	How smart is that?
	Well, so tell us what you mean.
	I'm going to take a big way on this, is that you know this one, but I bet a lot of your listeners don't because nobody in the media really reports it.
	Do you know what country, Louis, last year of all the industrialized countries lowered its carbon emissions the most?
	I do.
	And it is astounding for those who just watch CNN or MSNBC.
	Please tell them.
	United States of America.
	Yep.
	We've done it.
	How could that happen?
	Wait a minute.
	We're not part of the Corona Treaty.
	We're not part of all these stupid treaties.
	We don't have a cap and trade system because it's what's going on in Texas with your shale, oil, and gas revolution.
	Sure, but we're doing it cleanly, and that's what people can't get.
	They just don't understand.
	But on the other hand, if you're a country with a struggling economy, then the last place you put a priority is on the environment.
	Here in the United States, we want clean air.
	We want clean water.
	We want things clean.
	And if the economy is going strongly enough, then we can spend money doing that.
	But what do you, when you use that, you and Arthur Laffer used the title Trump Anomics?
	Can you give us a shorthand definition of that?
	Yeah, it's basically bringing business principles, putting America first, American businesses first, American workers first, and making sure that everything that we do in Washington is oriented towards making America number one.
	And gee, what a concept that we should put our interests above the interests of France or Canada or Australia or China or India.
	But that's what a president should do, and he does it in every decision he makes.
	And I got to tell you, Louie, I did spend a good bit of time with him during the campaign.
	Every time we would suggest a policy to him, you know, whether on regulation or taxes or anything, he'd always say, how will this affect working class Americans?
	And he'd always say, look, the rich can take care of themselves.
	I want to make sure these policies are helping working class Americans.
	And by the way, I just finished my latest column.
	This 2018 was the year of the American worker.
	American workers have the best, we have the best job market today.
	We've had in 50 years.
	It's incredible.
	And he's supposed to be this mean, callous guy that could care less about it.
	But I mean, I saw him in the Oval Office with the daughter of one of my deceased constituents, Kerry.
	We passed Kerry's law that just says if you have a multi-line phone, you cannot require any numbers preceding 911.
	And this little girl had tried to call 911 and never could get through because she didn't know you had to have a seven before it.
	So we got that done.
	And the president was so sweet to this little girl, just absolutely precious.
	People haven't seen that, but he was like a father that has had daughters.
	And anyway, they don't see that side of him.
	But heck, I mentioned, you know, I'd supported Ted in the primary.
	I'd endorsed him way early when things just got going.
	I'd worked with him, knew him.
	But in September 2016, in a one-on-one with now President Trump, I'd said, you know, I know it historically, but the presidents that were said to have been the smartest, the best, all this kind of stuff, they didn't do well.
	And I ran through, you know, and I said, if you look at the ones that were said to have been crazy, whether Teddy Roosevelt, oh my gosh, he's sending all these Navy ships around.
	What's he going to do next?
	I said, you go back to Saturday Night Live when Ronald Reagan was president.
	They have him walking around with his finger out going, where's the red button?
	I want to launch some missiles.
	And I said, it absolutely helps if people in other countries with whom you negotiate think you're a little crazy.
	He said, well, they say I'm very crazy.
	I said, that's why I think you've got a chance to be one of the best presidents we've ever had when it comes to foreign diplomacy.
	And it really does make a difference in these deals he's doing.
	He's getting good deals for America.
	Well, I agree with all of that.
	I saw those kinds of instances, too, where the way he treats people.
	I always say, you know, most politicians are wonderful people in public and jerks in private.
	Not you, but Mark.
	Sure, sure.
	Donald Trump is the idea.
	Sometimes he can be a jerk in public.
	And in private, he is the sweetest person you ever meet.
	He's generous.
	He is charming.
	He's attentive.
	He couldn't be nicer.
	I mean, after that first meeting with him for an hour, because I went into that meeting, we talk about this in the book.
	And the first chapter is called Meeting Trump.
	And Larry and I walked into that meeting with him back in late 2015, very skeptical.
	I had a negative impression of Donald Trump when I walked in that room.
	And after staying an hour with him, I'm like, oh, my God, I have stars in my eyes.
	This guy is the most amazing communicator.
	And, you know, the only other person I really met in my lifetime who had that effect on me was Ronald Reagan.
	Seriously.
	Well, that's high praise.
	Well, look, we got to take a break.
	Hang on with us, Stephen Moore, and the Sean Hannity Show will be right back.
	I'm Louis Gomert.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show, Louis Gomert sitting in with my dear friend Stephen Moore.
	Steve, we just have a minute left.
	But listen, if we put a wall where we need it, we totally secure the border as the president wants to do, what happens to the Mexico economy that's so overridden with drug cartel corruption now?
	It helps the economy of Mexico and the United States.
	I am very pro-immigrant, but immigrants have to come into this country legally, lawfully.
	And I used to tell Donald Trump, build the wall, make sure it has gates so people come in legally.
	We can't reform our immigration system, which hasn't been reformed in 30 years, until we get the border secure.
	It's so obvious.
	That is so true.
	I mean, they're talking about amnesty, and yet the Board of Patrol would say, every time you guys even mention an amnesty, legalization, it just sucks people in.
	And I mentioned earlier in the show, that makes it kind of like an attractive nuisance where you don't put up a fence around the pool and kid falls in.
	You're liable.
	You pay them.
	So it seemed like the best thing we could do for Mexico, doesn't it?
	It does.
	I mean, we want, you know, I'm all in favor of open trade and migration back and forth, but it has to be lawful.
	We have to regularly have to know who's coming so we know that it's not criminals and terrorists and drug runners into our country.
	We'll be right back, Sean Hannity Show.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louis Gomert sitting in for my dear friend Sean.
	And I tell you, in the first hour, I quoted John Adams when he was president of the United States, 1797, saying that, you know, this Constitution was intended for a moral and religious people.
	It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.
	And Adams, as a believer, he felt like the best thing, the best chance for America's future was to be biblically based.
	And it is such a treat for me to have our next guests on.
	I just think the world of him back in the 80s, my wife and I were directors of a college department teaching in a college Sunday school department.
	And some of the college students said, hey, you got to hear this guy, and gave what back then was just a cassette tape.
	And it was Stephen Curtis Chapman.
	I'm going, I love this guy.
	I love his music.
	He writes my heart.
	He sings my heart.
	And then, I guess, March of 2017, he came out with a book, Between Heaven and the Real World.
	And he's had songs that reflect that, but especially Heaven in the Real World.
	And I was slow.
	I didn't get the words enough, but I recently read that and just really thrilled to have on the Sean Hannity show Stephen Curtis Chapman, the most awarded Christian.
	And I know it makes him feel like he's violating humility requirements, but he is the most awarded artist in Christian music history, 58 Gospel Music Association Dove Awards, five Grammys, American Music Award, 48 number one singles, selling over 11 million.
	I'll go on and on, but just because it makes him uncomfortable, I'll stop there.
	But Stephen, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	It is such a treat to have you on, and thank you for all you do for really the soul of America.
	You are quite the minister, and you do write and sing the hearts of so many Americans.
	It's great having you on.
	I think Mary Beth, your wife, is on with us, and she is a New York Times best-selling author, choosing to see all three letters of C capitalized.
	She's speaker, wife of Stephen Curtis Chapman.
	But boy, Stephen, when you wrote the book, you know, some people write a book so they can leave out the problem parts.
	You put it all in there.
	You just went all out.
	And Mary Beth, I know Kathy, if I tried to write all of that, she'd go, no, you're leaving that out.
	But it's all there.
	It's just who you are.
	You're totally upfront.
	And I would totally recommend what an incredible testimonial that you've walked.
	I mean, you walk the walk and you don't just talk it, you walk it.
	So welcome.
	Wow.
	Louie, thank you, brother.
	You know how much I and the old Chapman clan love and appreciate you and your friendship through the years and your leadership.
	Well, and let me tell the people listening: I've never talked to Stephen or Mary Beth or Emily about politics ever.
	You know, they're brothers and sisters, and I have no idea how they've ever voted.
	I just know what an impact for good that they are on America.
	And, man, sounds like you guys have had an incredible year.
	Mary Beth, I was reading your blog post about the year.
	It was an incredible year.
	Incredible.
	I'm extremely blessed, is the word.
	I just have an incredible family.
	God's been gracious to us through the good and the incredibly difficult seasons that our family have had.
	And reflecting back on this past year, couldn't be a more proud wife, mother, and now Grammy to six beautiful grandbabies.
	And yes, God just continues to make new things in the Chapman family.
	And so I'm very, very, very blessed.
	Well, Stephen, you still got a whole lot of concerts under your SCC solo tour.
	This is you without Caleb, without Will, without Jillian.
	This is just Stephen himself.
	That's right.
	Well, I started this, and you mentioned the book, and I will just real quickly say this about it.
	I have had a lot of folks say that they have appreciated just the candor and the honesty.
	And really, you mentioned Mary Beth's book, which I'm going to go on record, is far, far better, is the better book by far.
	But she is, it really was a beautiful and honest story that she told of her life and our journey and her, you know, just perspective of even, of course, many people know of, you know, 10 years ago or loss of our youngest daughter.
	But her whole story, and people were so impacted by her honesty, and I've heard that over and over again in my concerts.
	And so, as I sat down to tell my story in the book you mentioned, Between Heaven and the Real World, one of my real commitments was there was two H-words I felt like that I just stuck up at the top of every page.
	It was honor and honesty.
	And I felt like I want to honor all the people that God has put in my life, ultimately honoring God who has been writing the story of my life from the beginning.
	But also, I really want to be honest, the impact that that has.
	I believe in my life, I look at the stories that have impacted my life the most, even in scripture, are the stories of, you know, the honesty.
	You know, I'm so glad God, as I often say, didn't edit out a lot of the parts of the stories that we probably wanted to edit out of, you know, King David's life.
	If I had been King David, I would have only wanted the Goliath killing stories in there or whatever, you know.
	But those have encouraged me.
	And so thank you for just your encouragement about my story.
	And that sort of led into me deciding to do this solo tour.
	I've been remembering a lot over the last few years in writing my story and telling my story in my book.
	And there's just a powerful thing that happens when we remember.
	It's important, it's powerful, and it keeps us, I think, grateful.
	It keeps us humble because we remember where we've come from.
	But it especially keeps me hopeful because I remember not only where I've come from, but where, as a believer, where I believe and our family is held on to the belief of where this story is going ultimately.
	And that's where we find the hope that, you know, has fueled my songs all these years, has fueled the work that we do as a family and the work that we do through Show Hope, an organization that my wife and I started about 16 years ago now.
	And by God's grace and the support of so many thousands of people now, we've been able to be a part of miraculous stories of seeing thousands of children without families come into families and have a home and do some amazing work that we never could have even imagined when we started this 17, 18 years ago when we adopted our first of our three adopted daughters.
	So it's just been an amazing journey.
	It's been exciting to still get to, you know, strum my guitar and write some songs and tell my story and now watch the story and the baton being handed off, you know, even to our daughter Emily, you know, who you mentioned she was.
	Yes.
	Well, you know, you mentioned in the book, I mean, Emily's a little girl, and she's, it's amazing.
	She's telling you she wants you to adopt.
	That's got to be pretty extraordinary.
	Yeah, this past year has really been a full circle moment for us.
	You know, Emily at 11 years old going on a trip to Haiti with her mom, coming back and just feeling this deep conviction that there are children not only around the world, but even here domestically in the U.S. that, you know, are going to sleep without families.
	And so for her to have this deep conviction and for it to come to fruition that we would then adopt our beautiful daughters from China, she would go on to become a Baylor Bear.
	I'll mention that.
	Yes.
	Go to school and get a great education, move off to Ireland, get her master's in theology, come back, have she got married, has her beautiful little family.
	And then this past year, we were in the middle of the strategic plan for Show Hope.
	And God just made it really clear that now is the time to kind of have her step into the leadership.
	We had an amazing executive director before her that really mentored her.
	And then, you know, just this past December, the baton was passed to her.
	And so for me to see that full circle moment come, that here is this 11-year-old little girl who really God planted this in her heart.
	And now to see some over 6,200 children be affected with the work of Show Hope and be adopted into families.
	It's just an amazing, amazing moment for me.
	And she's the way better version of me, I'll tell you that.
	And God's been gracious to give me this beautiful daughter.
	Well, yes, but of course, Jeff Foxworthy, that great Christian philosopher.
	I'm just kidding.
	But he said, you know, when his wife got pregnant, he said he woke up sweating because he realized you can't, as he said, combine stagnant pond water and raw sewage and get avion water.
	You know, those genes come together from somewhere, and you just see it in all three of your children.
	But is Emily on?
	Yeah, I'm here.
	Yeah.
	Hi, Louis.
	Hey, Emily, doing well.
	But it was amazing.
	Just three days ago, Kathy and I were talking to a couple, and they said, oh, these best friends of ours, they're trying to adopt from China, and they're just having all this trouble because it would be the second adopted child.
	And I said, they approach Show Hope because that's what you've done.
	And as you've said, I didn't realize it was over 6,000 adopted children that you've helped have happen.
	It's just amazing.
	And of course, the song, and you mentioned it in your book, but it just, I've never seen a group ever not moved to tears when they hear your song and your words.
	Oh, by the way, I was shocked in your book when you said, you know, you just didn't have a good voice.
	Now, I knew Herbie had a good voice, and I was so glad you had him in the album and your dad and Deep Roots.
	And by the way, I've made you a lot of enemies in my neighborhood because I normally have that Deep Roots album playing really loud when I'm working in the backyard.
	And I think people in my neighborhood are sick of you, Stephen.
	Sorry about that.
	But I just love that.
	It's so uplifting.
	And you're saying that is you going back to your roots, the Paducah, Kentucky kid, with all that, and your dad, and how your dad had actually given up a music career to actually raise a family.
	And then for you to have been instrumental and made it happen, of course, Ricky Skaggs, and he's on one of your songs on the Deep Roots album.
	I love that.
	You and Ricky sound really good together, but I was blown away when you said, well, you didn't sound good.
	And then Herbie was a better singer.
	And then he encouraged you when you had your shot.
	Guys, that's a loving family.
	That's really amazing.
	You're a great example for Americans.
	And there's a lot of struggling.
	There's a lot of broken hearts around this country.
	And your walking testimonial, I never thought I'd see somebody say, as was said recently, they ought to outlaw the words, our thoughts and prayers are with you.
	I'm going, whoa, this is getting serious when you are just walking testimonials of the good that's in America.
	Well, what can people do if they want to get involved and help out with Show Hope?
	Yeah, we would love for anybody just to become part of the Show Hope story and family.
	You can go to our website, www.showhope.org, and find out ways to donate there.
	Also, have care centers in China where we care for about a little over 200 orphans that have medical needs.
	And so we're able to offer care there.
	And there's ways to gather supplies to send to the care centers and stuff like that that can all be found out on our website.
	And then we just love for people to get connected with the Show Hope story and follow along some of the journeys that these families are on and some of the kiddos that are coming home.
	Like mom mentioned, 6,200 kids that we've been able to help through Show Hope adoption aid grants.
	And that represents over 60 countries, including many children here in the United States, that we've been able to help sort of reduce that financial barrier that often stands between waiting children and prospective adoptive families.
	So, yeah.
	That's awesome.
	Well, we got to take a hard break right here.
	But if y'all just hang on, we'll be right back with more of the Sean Hannity Show.
	We're talking to Stephen Curtis, Mary Beth, and Emily Chapman.
	Of course, Emily Richards.
	We'll be right back.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	We're visiting with Stephen Curtis Chapman, his wife, Mary Beth, daughter Emily.
	And we're short on time left, but you guys are such a blessing to so many.
	Hey, in tough times, where would you direct America other than showhope.org?
	That's a good one.
	And MaryBethChapman.com, the blog.
	What do you think, Stephen?
	Well, you know what?
	We have found in our journey as a family, and many, so many of you listening, I know, even have prayed for our family in our journey together, particularly the journey of losing our little girl about 10 years ago.
	And we are a family who has lived and continue to live the reality that the only place where there is hope and light and purpose and peace is in our trust and our faith in God's love, God's grace.
	And that's obviously, we've celebrated that at Christmas.
	We're thankful that we get to celebrate that God is with us and we are living proof of that.
	And we hope maybe our work with Show Hope, my songs, Mary Beth's work at Show Hope and her book and whatever we can say will encourage people to know that God is good and he's with us and he's faithful.
	And there is a new album coming.
	I can't wait.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm going to give you some more of that music that you're going to be doing.
	My neighbors are going to hate you even more.
	That's right.
	Thank you so much for the blessing you are.
	People needed to hear that.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	We'll be right back with some other great guests.
	Come back with us.
	This is The Sean Hannity Show.
	This is Louis Gomert sitting in for my beloved brother by another mother, Sean Hannity.
	Just love the guy.
	What an asset to America he is.
	And the more you know him, and especially as well as I know him, the more you just love the guy.
	So we have an amazing guest.
	And most of you are familiar with Hobby Lobby.
	He is the CEO of Hobby Lobby and helped grow his family business to more than 800 stores in 47 states, approximately 32,000 employees.
	And of course, they feel so strongly about their faith that they were willing to take a case where the government was trying to discriminate based upon their Christian beliefs and took it to the Supreme Court.
	And then out of all that, He and the family become inspired.
	We ought to have a museum to the Bible.
	And as I understand it, there's not one totally dedicated to the Bible.
	This was a dream.
	It was a vision.
	And now in Washington, D.C., the Museum of the Bible has been going for just over a year.
	It's extraordinary.
	And it doesn't matter if you're a Christian or Orthodox Jew.
	You don't have to be either one of those to really appreciate this.
	Now, if you are either one of those, you're really going to appreciate.
	But we have with us Steve Green.
	Steve Green, welcome to the Sean Annity Show.
	And I'm delighted to have you on to talk about, of course, Hobby Lobby.
	People are saying, you know, if there were just a hobby lobby around New York, it would do so well.
	There's not one around there.
	But that's for another day today.
	Tell us about how the Museum of the Bible's first year has gone.
	Well, Louise, great to be with you.
	And thanks for having me on.
	The Museum of the Bible has gone exceedingly well for our first year.
	There's always things you would love to see done better.
	But for the most part, with having a millionth visitor having come to the museum, it's done extremely well.
	We love a lot of the comments that we're getting, exceeded our expectation.
	It's been the favorite of our family as they've come and they've toured D.C. So really getting some great responses, and it's exciting to see the visitor come and enjoy the experience there at the museum.
	Well, I've read, studied the Bible my whole life, and I was blown away with what you have there.
	And of course, there's one area where, of course, most people know the Vatican has had more biblical treasures than just about anybody other than Israel itself.
	And yet somehow you made a deal with the Vatican.
	They have an area where they provide the exhibits.
	Isn't that the case?
	That is.
	And what's unique about the museum is that it really is a collaborative effort.
	There are items within the museum that, you know, from our own collection, but there's over 40 individuals and institutions that have items on display within the museum, have traveling exhibits that will come and go as well.
	But the Vatican being one of those, is we had a temporary exhibit at the Vatican back in 2014 and again in 2020.
	That was before you had the museum even.
	That was before the museum.
	That's right.
	And then the Israel Antiquity Authority as well has a space within the museum.
	Anything that's dug up in Israel is owned by the Israel Antiquity Authority.
	They've got over 2 million artifacts in their warehouses.
	So we have an opportunity the first time out of Israel.
	This is the first time out of Rome for the Vatican that items have been on permanent display in a museum.
	And so we're really excited about the collaborative effort of people coming together, people that love this book that may have different faith traditions, but we're setting aside our differences for a moment and saying, here is a book that we all love and let's come together and celebrate it.
	There is no book that even comes close to being quoted a fraction as much as the Bible in the Congressional Record.
	But what made me think about you, Steve, is I had a dear friend that said, oh, he was excited.
	He was going to come to Washington, wanted to hit the Smithsonian.
	Did I have any other recommendations?
	I said, you got to hit the Museum of the Bible.
	And he said, there's a Museum of the Bible?
	Oh, my, yes.
	And so then I thought, well, you know what, Sean, blessed soul, he's let me host his show.
	I need to get Steve on there to tell people, this is an extraordinary museum.
	Believer, non-believer, doesn't matter.
	This is such an important place to visit.
	And just the property you got, that whole block that came available that you guys were able to, you're part of basically the mall just a couple of blocks behind.
	That was incredible.
	Yeah, we really just feel like that our faith caused us to believe that God had gone before us and that property became available.
	We had been looking for a while there in D.C. and this property came up on the market.
	It's two blocks from the Air and Space Museum.
	There is a metro stop that comes up in the block where the entrance is.
	So a location of that size since we were looking, I don't think has come up since we acquired it.
	So it really was a special location and we were very excited that we were able to find one that close to the mall.
	Well, and I know and appreciate your faith, but I also love what a preacher in Denton, Texas said.
	He says, just because God's in control doesn't mean he wants us to lean on our shovel and pray for all.
	And the Green family has used all the instruments with which they've been blessed and has really made a difference.
	And I just want to thank you for that and encourage people, check out the Museum of the Bible.
	It's something you'll never ever forget.
	Is there a website people can go see to prepare for their visit?
	They can.
	It's simply just museumofthebible.org and get information there, get tickets to get into the museum.
	And we engage some of the leading design firms around the country to help us build this out.
	Oh, it's an incredible building.
	Just incredible what you've done.
	You knocked out every other floor so that there's plenty of room.
	You don't feel squished.
	And it's just really the sky's the limit.
	Amazing place.
	Well, Steve, I just had to get you on just so that anybody out there who is not aware, the 15 million or so listening, you got to know this is a place to visit.
	You will be sorely affected for the good.
	And even though you may go once or twice, exhibits change constantly.
	You can't go too many times and learn something new every time.
	So Steve Green of Hobby Lobby, and you're chairman, actually, of the board of the Museum of the Bible.
	Thank you for what you've done.
	Thanks for your faithfulness.
	You're just an incredible walking monument to what we're supposed to be.
	So thank you so much, Steve.
	You bet.
	Thank you, Louie.
	And you keep up the great work yourself.
	We sure try.
	Well, thank you.
	And folks, we will be right back.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show, and I'm Louie Gomert.
	Lucky to be sitting in for my dear friend Sean.
	We'll be right back.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	I'm Louie Gomert sitting in for my friend Sean.
	And we have, and I'm not kidding, it sounded like something might be made up, but a friend calling from the jungles of Burma or Myanmar.
	But he is an amazing guy, and I'd heard about him, the son of missionaries to Thailand, and then found out, wow, he went to Texas A ⁇ M like I did.
	Wow, he had an Army commitment like I did.
	Oh, he went to the army like I did, except he went special forces route and ended up after he served his army.
	He had such a heart for people that are oppressed.
	He and his wife and his young children went to the jungles of Burma to help those who are being oppressed.
	Especially the Christians just brutalized.
	And he not only brought the gospel to the area, he taught the villagers and continues to teach them how to defend themselves from the military that would come in and burn their crops every fall or just devastate the women and children and pull men apart.
	Just the horrific suffering that was instigated.
	He taught them to defend themselves.
	And so when I met him, turns out he and I were both in the Corps cadets, and he was some years after me, but was a commander of the same brigade that I had been.
	It was amazing.
	Yet he went and made something of himself, really making a difference in the world.
	So let me warn you, he's talking on a satellite phone from the jungles of Burma.
	Dave Eubank, are you there?
	Yes, sir.
	God bless you, Louis.
	Everybody who's listening.
	Well, there are millions listening.
	You have gotten a front seat view and not just a seat.
	You've been actively involved trying to help Christians protect themselves as well as other tribal groups that are being oppressed, whether it's Kurds or other.
	You were asked to come help in Syria to try to strategize.
	But I was very concerned, and you can tell us firsthand, what are you seeing happen to Christians?
	We know that the U.S. is helping a tremendous number of Muslim refugees.
	We care about people in the world, but we're seeing that such a smaller percentage of Christians that are located are actually getting help from the U.N. or the U.S. What are you seeing happening, Dave?
	Well, sir, thanks.
	And when you first started talking, I just thought of what Jesus said in Luke 4, 18, that among many things, he came to set the Catholic free to see the oppressed.
	And we are working with Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, animists.
	We work with everybody to try to help them.
	In terms of Christians, I see great oppression.
	Where we are here in Burma, actually the first place American missionaries ever went in the 1800s, Adam and I am in Anne Judson.
	And the first believers were Burmans and then ethnic minorities.
	And many of the ethnic minorities, let's say the Koreans and the Kachins, who later became our allies in World War II, many of them became Christians.
	And they've been persecuted.
	The longest civil war in the world is right now, 70 years of civil war in Burma.
	I'm right in the middle of it right now.
	And so I see great oppression here against the tribal people and Christians because they ascribe to the pious God.
	And they don't follow rules and laws, so they don't bow down to dictators.
	So that's what I see here.
	In Kurdistan and Iraq, where we also take teams, almost all the Christians had to flee the net of a planes.
	Of course, they had to flee mostly.
	They were killed or taken out by ISIS.
	And now it's difficult even to get back in.
	And then in Syria, the same thing.
	I was just in a destroyed church that Christians used to live in.
	Nobody's there in this village.
	I was at a place called Sal Plumer.
	And all the Christians left.
	Some Christians are still in Syria, but now they face not only the remnants of ISIS is still in Syria, but now the Turks are getting ready to invade Syria if the U.S. pulls out.
	So whether it's in Burma or in Iraq or Syria, I see great persecution against Christians.
	And I'm grateful for you, Louis, and for people who pray for these people and also stand with them.
	Well, and Tom Garrett just had been over there with you.
	And, you know, Dana Rohrbacher and Steve King and I have tried to help.
	But if somebody wants to help you in what you're doing, what should they do?
	Well, first, sir, I think we pray because God knows best how each of us can respond.
	I think second, support people like Louie and Dana Rohrbacher and Tom Garrett, who's another one of my heroes with us.
	And then if they want to go to our website, it's www.freeburmarangers.org, then they can see what we do and they can see if they want to help us help people here.
	Well, well, thank you.
	We're a little short on time, but I just appreciate it.
	I know it's the middle of the night over in the jungles of Burma, Dave, but you're an inspiration and you put all your effort and your family.
	And by the way, folks, don't think what he's doing doesn't come without cost, human cost.
	Under constant threat, the Burma government would like to see him dead.
	His precious wife and children are testimonials to the people there.
	We really do care and we're trying to help.
	Dave, you've made a difference.
	You make me proud as an American.
	And I hope people will visit your website and see what they can do to help.
	But in the meantime, folks, this is Louie Gomert.
	I am honored to have a friend like Dave Eubank, even though there are some at the State Department that think he's crazy.
	Well, you know, so was Jesus.
	He was said to be crazy, and yet he was the wisest.
	But folks, this country's in trouble.
	But Sean Hannity is helping, and you can help too.
	Care about what is going on around you.
	Don't just lean on your shovel and pray for a hole.
	Let's get in.
	Let's make sure that we get people in office that care about the country, but more than anything, care about keeping their words.
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