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Dec. 31, 2018 - Sean Hannity Show
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Best of Hannity: Goodbye to 2018

The “Best of Hannity” closes out 2018 with interviews by Bill White, Eric Bolling, Piers Morgan, Sharyl Attkisson, Senator Lindsey Graham and Camille Paglia. The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, uh, Mr. White, I just wanted to call you this morning.
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Uh you know, because you'll have the kind of you'll have the kind of cash to pull that off.
And that's really the important thing, right, Mr. White.
You miserable.
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That was a voicemail.
There was a a piece the other day in the New York Times, how a liberal couple became two of New York's biggest Trump supporters.
And tell us a story about how these two people, Bill White, his husband Brian Urey, are not red state evangelicals, they're not diehard right wingers.
In fact, for years they write, they were key players among uh a court a cohort that Mr. Trump loaths Manhattan liberal elites and Mr. Trump being an unconventional commander-in-chief who ran an unorthodox campaign with has unorthodox alliances.
Anyway, this couple has now gone through so much like that voicemail that you just heard and attacks that you cannot believe that is chronicled in this article.
And um now I know Bill White.
Uh but how did I get to know you?
I don't even remember.
How are you doing, Sean?
It's great to talk to you.
Well, I think it was back when we were doing so much to help veterans, which you continue to do, and I can't thank you enough, and it's great to talk to you.
And uh I can't thank you enough for what you're doing for our country to save our country with the president and his team and everything that you're doing has just been inspiring to Brian and me.
And uh it's an honor to talk to you always.
You know, um, and maybe uh how did you go from being a liberal couple?
Part of me I'll use the term Manhattan's liberal elite, whatever that means.
Um and how did you how did you why did you s make the jump to Trump and now one of his biggest, both of you biggest supporters?
And how did that happen and what has happened as a result of it?
Yeah, it's interesting, Paul.
Part of it is because we watch your show every night, and I really mean that sincerely.
Uh I'm a patriot.
I love my country.
When we elect a president, he is my president, whoever that person is, is uh is the person that I respect, who I you know know was duly elected, and we get behind that person for the success of the country.
You know, my main thing has been veterans all my life, and you know that, Sean, how much I care about our troops and our military and their families, and we're not doing enough for that community.
So I knew Donald Trump for 30 years.
You know, I went to him when the Veterans Day Parade was in crisis, and he wrote me a check for a million bucks.
Everybody used to say, oh, he makes promises, he doesn't follow through.
That's garbage.
He wrote me a check on the spot for a million dollars, save the Veterans Day Parade.
When we uh launched the celebrity apprentice, we did it on the flight deck of the Intrepid.
President, you know, now then Donald Trump lands.
Piers Morgan is there, and and uh the first winner uh was Piers Morgan.
He gave the intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund almost two million dollars.
Um and then when we built that physical rehab center that you and Don Imus, you know, remember Don and you were so great with that.
Uh Donald Trump was a huge donor donor.
So I mean I knew Donald for 30 years.
I always liked him and respected him.
He was always generous to the Intrepid and our veterans' causes.
So, you know, he's a guy who gets things done.
I always knew that.
So it was an easy and it was an easy move for me because I'm a patriot, and I want to support our president.
I want him to be successful, and people just cannot be leave that I am you know we are for him and we are with him leading our country.
I don't even know where he stands on on gay marriage.
Where does he even stand on it?
I honestly I don't have a clue.
I mean Yeah, he's well, first of all, um, you know, his son Don Jr., who become very close friends with uh had us there, and we walked up the president.
He says, Hey, you two handsome guys, get over here.
Give us a hug, took a picture.
The the Trump tent is pretty big.
The Trump tent is inclusive.
The Trump tent uh welcomed us.
You know, Mitt Romney wanted to have nothing to do with Bill White and Brian New.
And um Donald Trump uh said to that Leslie Stall interview, the first you know, interview he did right after yours, uh, when he was elected was that's the law of the land, and I'm not gonna mess with it.
And I believe him when he says that.
You know, it's we don't like identity politics, but it's great that he supports us.
He's been very sweet to the president.
I think most Americans are are like me now, and that is I I don't I I think most people were so wrapped up in our own lives, let's be honest.
I don't think people really give a flying rip about you know people's you know, choices, personal life.
I it's none of our business.
And exactly and you know what when I was in my twenties, I was an idiot and I had a different opinion and I realized how ignorant it was.
I know I'm just being honest.
And I don't think you're ever an idiot, Sean, but I can tell you.
Oh, I was but uh okay.
And I will give you a lot of credit too, because you're the former president of the if you come to New York, you've got to go see the intrepid sea, air and space museum in Manhattan.
You were you were almost single-handedly credited for bringing that back from a financial collapse, and it's so important that you did that.
Uh I remember what my dad and the intrepid, you know, many, many years ago.
How many years has it been there now?
So, yeah, almost 30 years were coming up.
Um did you go there with your dad, Sean?
I did.
My my dad fought in the Navy in World War II for four years in the Pacific.
And you know, I was very proud of him.
And uh I just you know, I you look at how these ships are configured in the tiny spaces that these guys sleep in and they're there for months and months and months.
It is a real sacrifice, and for you to be able to preserve that and and bring it back to its splendor is a huge accomplishment.
Let me ask this because you even supported both of Hillary's Hill Hillary's runs for the White House.
And you know, and then you supported Barack Obama.
Now you're supporting President Trump.
Where do you stand politically?
Because what I like about what the president is doing, this these are principles I've always believed in, and that is the lowest taxes possible.
You want to get rid of all the bureaucracy so businesses can build and thrive and create jobs for what I call the forgotten men and women that were that are in poverty on food stamps that need the ladder and a hand up.
Um we've got to for we gotta get every mar American in a position where they can have a good life, a nice house, a nice car, um uh a Disney vacation for their kids, that sort of thing.
And that's what I that's what drives me.
I don't I don't think Obama's policies were successful, and I give out those statistics all the time.
But Trump is successful.
No, you you're right.
I mean, uh the thing that the New York Times article did not point out, and where everybody seems, you know, to be critical, uh, and I wanted to I wanted to thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk today because when I reached out to you, I really I really wanted to do this with you, Sean, because you are so um so much of a patriot uh and an inspiration to Brian and me.
Uh the t the taxes being lowered, the the job unemployment rate, how many uh trade deals we're working on, North Korea, helping the veterans, those two things that the president has done about being able to fire employees who uh do not belong working for veterans, the fact that they can go get a doctor's care instead of waiting online are things that you know we really support.
Uh the economy of the GDP is phenomenal.
Our taxes are lowered, I'm hiring more people at Constellations Group, my company, my husband's getting more clients because people are building and buying more insurance.
And on top of it, the military's gotten a pay raise and they're being treated with respect.
You know, I could give you fifty other things.
You have this great uh screenshot of all the accomplishments of the president has made, promises made, promises kept.
That's why we're supporting him.
Uh uh, Hillary Clinton's second run.
I I mean I had to bail out because she was driven so far to the left.
I didn't know Donald was running for president.
If I had known that, I think my choice would have been made a long time ago.
And I'm so happy that uh I'm on the Trump train.
Um there's no if this isn't getting me any more business, believe me, from the calls I've gotten and the abuse I've taken.
Uh I'm gonna lose business.
I'm gonna lose income.
Uh and I'm okay with that because my country comes first and I want to stand up for my president because I see that you do it.
I can't imagine the the hate mail that you get and the people that are mean and nasty.
It's it's pretty awful what people have said to the two of us over the last twenty four hours.
Listen, I I get that every day, and I don't I don't whine about it.
I don't care about it, to be honest.
It goes with the territory.
Does a but you know, for people that don't get it every day, I find that usually is very, very hard and difficult and troubling for them.
And you know, I've actually tried to reach out to people in our industry sometimes when I see they're going through it.
I'm like, okay, I'm in this 30 years.
Trust me.
Welcome to the club.
You're now in.
But how do you how are you dealing with it?
Uh it's it's I got a tough spine.
You know, I was a paramedic and I've seen some tough things in my life.
I haven't been to war, so you know, I don't ever complain about my life because I'm not getting shot at.
Um, so I have so much respect for our veterans, the people you know, you and I care about, and I'm a patriot, so I'm gonna help this president get re-elected.
Uh I said in the paper we're gonna have a fundraiser for him for his 2020 reelection to keep America great.
And uh I'm a man of my word, so I hope we're gonna raise five million bucks for him.
It will be pretty amazing to have people of the community that uh you know really has rejected me.
There's a lot of people like me and Brian out there who care about our country, and we're gonna bring them to the forefront and help get Donald Trump re-elected, because he's a great guy, he's a great father, and he loves this country.
And anybody who thinks different, uh, I just uh hope they'll I'm not gonna convince them.
I I listen, I look at, for example, how who who is created a better economic environment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, women in the workplace, etcetera.
It's been this president's policies.
And and if you look demographically, it you know, maybe Republicans get ten, eleven percent of the African American vote, higher percentage of the Hispanic vote.
And to me, I just think that the more we include Americans in our plans for success, the better off and Republicans just stay away from just solve problems that impact people's lives.
That's all they need to do.
And then get out of our way.
I think the American people just need the hope and opportunity and the leg up.
But I I do feel bad for you.
I mean, you know, I guess you've been called uh what have you been called?
No, it's been pretty uh pretty bad.
People have said that we're discussing slimes, we've betrayed the gay and lesbian community.
I mean, it's uh it's pretty wild, you know.
And by the way, those are all my friends, all my friends on the tolerant left.
I'll compare notes with you one day.
I'll tell you what they call me.
So gosh, Sean.
Well, listen, I would just want to thank you very much, and I really want to reiterate.
I know you have a ton of people listening to you.
They may not agree with uh me politically or um you know, in terms of you know, some of the things that were said about me, but I just want to let you know that you inspire us every day with what you put out there and what you fight hard to to get out in terms of the message, and we really appreciate you.
We watch you every night.
That's gonna continue, and uh, we're big fans of Sean Hannity.
And thanks for helping the president.
Thank you.
Thank you for what we'll continue that.
You're a patriot, and that's all it is.
We're you know, at the end of the day, even if you're a Democrat and a liberal, you're still an American.
It doesn't matter.
You know, but but boy, we we have forgotten that part right now.
And everything is so personal, and it doesn't need to be this hard.
It really doesn't need to be this personal.
And people say, Well, what about your president?
I'm like, Yeah, well, the same guy that is is fighting and battling, you know, a corrupt news media and a corrupt investigation is also the same guy that's fighting for better trade deals, fighting to protect our borders, fighting to bring companies and jobs back to America, uh fighting enemies that had been threatening the world like little rocket man and and keeping promises to allies like Israel and making Jerusalem the capital and degrading ISIS.
Nobody ever gives them credit for those things.
Yes, yes, sir.
You know, to me, those are those are the big picture items, safety, security, opportunity, prosperity.
That's what matters.
Right.
And then everyone else part of the people prosperity and the economy do you not like, right?
Amen.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, Bill White, thanks so much.
God bless you, sir.
My best to uh you and to Mr. Ure, and uh you guys are welcome on any time.
Thank you, Sean.
We love you.
Have a great day.
God bless America, and thank you so much for what you're doing, Sean.
We're behind you.
You too.
God bless you.
Sorry you're going through all that.
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If you want to be a part of the program, you know, I've been chronicling how, you know, here we have all of these people that, you know, you have people in the press just decimate them every single day.
Uh presidents in particular.
And then all of a sudden, you know, the the people that were the meanest, the toughest, the most unfair person passes away now, all of a sudden, you know, they'll say the nicest things, but then they'll sidetrack and then they'll use characteristics that they can use about the person that just died that they never really liked anyway, or never said that they liked, that just the opposite, and they'll use it to go after the new guy that they hate.
You know, is that it?
We only get nice words when we die, not when we're actually living.
Politics is is that prominent in our lives.
Anyway, that's happened with John McCain more recently, and and also in the case of George Herbert Walker Bush.
You know, now it's like, okay, well, at least he was nice.
But Donald Trump, forget it.
Let me just play just a few of the highlights of the media's non-stop, never-ending destroy Trump mentality.
Better be ready for the fact that he might be leading the Republican ticket next time.
I know you don't believe that, but I want to go on to make it.
I understand why so many people voted for him.
I understand where you were coming from.
I understand why you liked him.
I but this man is lying to you.
Donald Trump is a president with whom there is grave question about his fitness and ability to conduct the office of the president.
I'll say it again.
This Russian connection just keeps building, and every time it builds and expands, you have to wonder if Trump himself isn't worried about what's swirling around under the covers.
The entire world's watching, and of course, most importantly, Vladimir Putin's watching.
It seemed like yesterday was his love note to Vladimir Putin.
It is certainly an unusual speech, a weird speech.
Uh, Rocket Man insulting Kim Jong-un.
Yes.
I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
Of course I want to punch him in the face.
Right.
Sixteen tweets today to start the new year.
Some of them deeply disturbing.
These are the messages from a person who is not well.
He said he's an excellent help.
I mean, Sanjay Gupta came out and was like, uh, yeah, not so sure about excellent health.
President Trump is goading Kim Jong-un to uh test a nuclear missile again to uh prove its reliability to show him wrong.
The stormy saga takes a dramatic turn as the porn star speaks out on her alleged affair with citizen Trump.
Any previous president, if you'd woken up to this all caps tweet threatening war with Iran, you'd think he probably belongs in a padded cell.
But with Trump, this is kind of business as normal.
All right, that I we could literally go on an entire program here and play one more insane cut after the other and the obsession, and it's every second, every minute, every hour of every day.
You know, uh Piers Morgan joins us.
He's the head of the Daily Mail, UK, he's also a big TV star in uh what's the name of your morning show?
The Wake Up Morning Show you're doing.
Yeah, good morning Britain is called.
Good morning.
Wake up in Britain, you'll be able to do it.
By the way, my smiling head.
Who needs espresso when you got Piers Morgan waking you up in the morning and uh and coming out with something that's bound to piss at least half of Great Britain off on any given day.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You know, you wrote a piece about this, though, back in August, and it's still apropos today.
How the media is playing what you described as a dangerous role, riding the lines between opinion and fact, and you know, this poetic license that they take and jumping to conclusions and and advancing conspiracy theories with no evidence.
It's pretty bad.
And and they all say they're journalists.
I say I'm a talk show host.
So um they claim to be journalists.
That's the biggest problem to me.
Yeah, I think the problem is that there is huge money to be made from Trump bashing.
It's as simple as that.
And whether you're at CNN or MSNBC, or you're doing one of the late night shows, or you're editing the New York Times, or you're a liberal celebrity who has a very liberal audience.
There is a lot of money, huge commercial imperative to be as anti-Trump as you can possibly be.
And it drives their news judgment, it warps their news judgment.
You know, when I'm in America, which I come over quite regularly, I'm staggered by just how partisan, supposedly impartial news organizations have become.
And the only reason they're doing it is because it's commercially beneficial.
And I think that is a real problem.
And it's really at the heart of, I think, Donald Trump's fury about fake news, even He's not saying everything they do is fake.
What he's saying is a lot of the hysteria, a lot of the ridiculous wall-to-wall 24-7 treatment of every tweet and everything he says, and everything is always twisted into, you know, this this guy's the worst guy in the world because that's what makes some money and appeals to their audience.
That, in a way, when you add it all together, becomes fake news.
It does.
And I say that as a journalist who just is concerned by that.
And I think that Donald Trump, if you if he took away the tweets, and you and I've discussed before that some of his tweets have probably a little too inflammatory, and he goes after too many people, and you know, there's a side to Donald Trump where if you punch him, he'll punch you ten times back, and maybe as president he should just rein that back in a bit.
I would like him to.
But there's no doubt that he has come under more attack than any president that there's ever been.
It's 90% negative, it's relentless.
And if you did remove actually the rhetoric and the tweets from Donald Trump's administration so far, I think if this was another president, say it was George Herbert Walker Bush, who had achieved what Trump has achieved in two years, then you would have to say he's made a very successful start in many areas, both on the international stage with the US economy.
But I slightly disagree on that last point, and that is, There's such an ideological divide, and you have it in your country.
It's fairly common that there will never be an acknowledgement that he does anything good.
Well, it might c it might come, Sean, it might come in you know 25 years.
Listen, I I don't think by the way, if anyone when I ever pass away, and all the people that I know hate me, don't lie.
Just say what you said when I was alive.
Just and I'm sure you would prefer that honestly too.
I will say well, I will say I like you because I do like you.
And I've always liked you too.
Now that I've gotten a know you're I think you're a riot.
I think you're I think you're honest about what you stand for and what your opinions are.
I it's the ones who are doing it purely because not because they particularly believe it, but because they know it's making them tons of money.
That's where I have a problem.
That's where supposedly serious news organizations, I think have had their news judgment warped by the lust to Trump bash 24-7 and make tons of money.
And I think it's a real problem.
You knew Donald Trump from The Apprentice.
You actually won the apprentice in a tough year.
What was your personal relationship like with him?
And do you see the qualities you saw then in him now?
Because one thing I think I've noticed in him, and I've known him, you know, a couple of decades now, is that I see that he has really grown into the job.
Uh yeah.
And his growth trajectory, I've I think, and I'm I think I'm being objective, is has been fairly phenomenal.
He's yeah, and actually I think funny enough, even in the last 48 hours, I think the way that he's responded to George Bush's death has been really interesting.
You know, everyone knows they didn't get on.
Everyone knows that Donald Trump's been feuding with the Bushes uh ever since he ran for president.
In fact, before that, I've interviewed him in the past where he's been very critical of George W. Bush and his presidency.
He then went after Jeb Bush, obviously low energy Jeb and so on.
And we know that uh, you know, George H. W. Bush was no fan of Trump and in fact voted for Hillary Clinton.
So the the normal Donald Trump response would have been rather like his response to John McGain's death, pretty scathing and probably not engaged at all.
In fact, he's gone very presidential in the way that many people would like him to be at moments like this.
And I'm actually glad to see that, Sean, because the Trump that I knew from Celebrity Apprentice and have known really since then for twelve years has a very warm and decent and charming side to him.
I think for whatever reason and I understand some of the reasons he's hidden that away uh as president as a candidate.
He's preferred to be on the front foot, punching away, being very aggressive, being very tough, taking no nonsense.
But I do think since the midterms, I've noticed a slight pivot in him where I think, for example, over the California fires, his immediate gut response was to go on the attack blaming people.
And actually all you had to do was the easy bit of being president.
Just be there for the people who are burning to death.
Have the debate about forests and so on later.
But just in that moment be presidential.
And there are moments when you just need to do that.
And I think over the death of George Walker Bush, he's been presidential.
Yeah.
And he did do it.
And I think that that, you know, I think he is, as you say, he's learning and evolving on the job.
I think he's getting better at the job.
I think he gets a very unfair rap.
I'm I I like him very much personally.
He's been very loyal to me over the years, gone out of his way to be loyal to me.
And I think a lot of what he's been doing, whether it's standing up to uh Iran, whether it's standing up to China over trade, which has been a disgraceful situation for decades involving uh America's trade relationship with the Chinese, whether it's uh forging a peace with North Korea, whether it's demanding that NATO members pay their their due.
I I think there are lots of things he's doing which are very interesting, very unusual for an American president, and actually he's right.
So I think that he gets a completely skewed and relentlessly negative treatment from much of the media which bears little relation to the reality.
A lot of it is because he's very abrasive in combating with them.
Uh but if you look at him objectively I think you would have to say after two years Trump is delivering on many of the things he promised he'd do.
And whether you agree with that or not you have to accept he's probably achieved more in two years than most presidents have ever achieved in their first two years.
I think the it's a blessing and a curse scenario because he's I I would view or describe him as a disruptor and he is somebody that has literally shaken the bureaucracy that what I would often refer to as the deep state to its core and it needed it.
You know, Republicans, I look, I'm not a Republican.
I'm a conservative.
A lot of people think I'm a Republican because I usually end up supporting the Republican president because I don't believe in socialism.
And that represents the modern Democratic Party.
But I would say he is a disruptor.
He is somebody that when he goes in to negotiate, he goes in hard.
He telegraphed all of these strategies in the art of the deal.
And be it NATO, you know, saying that America shouldn't pay 72 cents of every dollar and Angela Merkel ought not be helping to make.
make Putin and Russia rich again by making you know energy deals with them.
He was right about that he's so he's getting better trade deals with our European allies with Canada and Mexico we now have progress being made with China and yeah you're right on the Iranian deal North Korea he he's a force he is a force that has to be he's a wrecking ball isn't he's uh he's a very but in a good way I think yeah well I think in many ways in a good way and I I think that he is it has been really interesting to me to watch him in the last two days.
I really think he's reacted in a way he wouldn't instinctively have reacted to the death of George Bush right round to giving him uh giving the plane to you know going down there and paying respects to and I think the Bush family to be to their credit have invited him and I think that is that is good to see.
You know we do at some stage I think in America Sean there needs to be a coming together right there needs to be a move by one side and it can be very intransigent both sides get very stuck in their ways very partisan and say it's therefore it's my and so on.
But people say this but let me ask you the practicality of that when you know either you you believe in secure borders or you believe in eliminating borders and and getting rid of vice.
Either you believe in lower taxes less bureaucracy or or you want to redistribute the wealth.
Again you know you either believe in a philosophy that would drop a hundred and fifty billion dollars in cash and other currency on the tarmac in Iran for the mullers that chant death to America or you put in the trade sanctions that's gonna that's absolutely going to squeeze Their economy so tight that they're capable of being of a collapse from within.
I don't know how you reconcile what is what are these differences.
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He is the head of the uh Daily Mail UK.
Um we left off.
How how does America re reconcile a modern Democratic Party that, from my perspective, and and it's not it's very similar to what you see in Britain, and that is you have labor, right?
Yep.
And then you you've got a conservative movement, a conservative party.
And then torn completely apart over an issue like Brexit.
But here's what I would do.
What's gonna happen with that?
Well, I think it's it's very intractable.
It's a total mess, and both sides have dug into positions where there's no point of agreement.
And that's a very similar to what we see over Trump in America.
But I do think the what what is incumbent on everyone in America is to try and find points of agreement.
Um where they can find it is where you stop the hypocrisy.
And this is my real issue about the way that Trump is treated by certainly by many Democrats and many liberal celebrities.
They are rankly hypocritical.
Take for example the issue of illegal immigration, right?
Obama was known as the deporter-in-chief.
He deported over three million illegal immigrants from America, an all-time record by any president.
And yet you ask any liberal in America or in Britain if they know how many people he deported.
They haven't got a clue.
They weren't interested, they didn't care.
They had no thought actually for what he was doing.
And you know, there may be very good reasons for every deportation he did.
But let's not pretend that somehow Barack Obama was not very, very tough on illegal immigration, because he was.
And I think that that's where surely an honest broker on the Democrat side could say, you know what?
Actually, we agree with a lot of what's going on.
He sounded like Donald Trump back in the day to be blunt on Clinton.
As didn't by the way, Henry Clinton, as did Bill Clinton.
They all they've all talked tough on this.
And so this idea that somehow it's just Trump who's being tough.
You know, there was actually an incident here.
I'm sure you covered this in 2013 at the very same border point involving uh a hundred migrants storming the border and being repelled with a form of tear gas.
Uh pepper spray and tear gas.
Yeah, well, I think I'm the only person to report that uh know that even besides you.
Uh Piers, always a pleasure.
We really appreciate you being with us.
Um love to have you on any time you're available, and uh wish you a merry Christmas and a and a great holiday season for you and your family.
And you, Sean, all the very best.
Thanks for having me.
You bet.
Thank you, sir.
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Volunteering to serve in World War II as an as I was going on to serve as ambassador, CIA director, uh Congressman, vice president, president, a whole life of public service.
Donald Trump has been a life of service to himself.
They both believe that the presidency is bigger than themselves, which is not something that this president always adheres to.
But I think this is also a uh 24 hours of nostalgia about what leadership used to look like in this country.
There's a great clip from 1980 when George H. W. Bush uh is challenged on his how tough he is, and he talks about toughness is about having values and standing for them being principled.
Toughness is not attacking.
As a candidate, he said, those who think we're powerless to do anything about the greenhouse effect are forgetting about the White House effect.
And then he signed into law, the Clean Air Act amendment of 1990, one of the most sweeping environmental statutes ever.
This president that we have now is trying to unravel everything that he did and Obama did.
Can we focus on the president, please?
I don't want to talk about Trump.
We're honoring a great president.
I I want to talk about honoring, but I'm not interested in your one-ish.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't care what you're saying.
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Uh Cheryl Atkinson is with us.
She hosts her own show on Sinclair Media called Full Measure on Sundays.
She's the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Smears and Stonewalled.
And uh I read a column by you about it was thick.
All the examples you had listed listed of all the times, Cheryl, the media has misreported, lied to the American people as it relates to Donald Trump.
Um it sounds like it's it would be the definitive book called Fake News, if you will.
What was remarkable to me when I started compiling the examples was I was looking for other examples too, like mistakes that came out that were happened to be in favor of Trump, but there weren't any.
I mean, there may still be some, maybe I haven't seen them all.
But all of them, coincidentally, were mistakes that hurt Trump or were intended to hurt Trump, and also mistakes by some of the formerly most well-respected news organizations in the world making Bush League junior mistakes that wouldn't be tolerated in journalism school, but usually with pretty much total impunity.
Give me some of the best or worst examples that kind of shocked you.
I think one of the most definitive because it set the stage and the tone was the Time magazine reporter that on the day of President Trump's inauguration, Falsey reported that he had removed the bus statue of Martin Luther King from the Oval Office.
Yeah, that was a doozy.
That was a doozy.
But the origin of that mistake was the reporter not even doing the basic due diligence that we learned were required to do in journalism school.
And I don't even think you have to be taught this to check your facts.
If you think you see something missing or you hear it, you call and ask.
And someone would have immediately told him that it was still there.
He just didn't see it.
And they had to issue a correction because that went worldwide.
Of course, the correction never travels quite so far as the original misreporting.
No, the reporting the reporting is on A1.
The correction is on page A thirty seven, uh, in the left-hand bottom corner with the tiniest print they could ever make up.
And in today's terms, yeah, the mistake is circulated, it goes viral on Twitter, and the correction is not seen.
You know, I've been doing now for over a year and a half, and I have an ensemble cast that has been helping us.
And tonight we have a very explosive report as it relates to a series of email chains have now been discovered.
And in them, without giving away all the details of this, top officials uh knowingly knew that they never verified what turned out to be the lying dossier of Christopher Steele.
But it didn't stop them from using the bulk of the information from that unverified, uncorroborated, bought and paid for Russian propaganda of Hillary.
It didn't stop them from committing a fraud on a Pfizer court, but not only once four separate times in their Pfizer court applications.
They also purposely withheld the origination of such a report, and they held it out as if they had gone through proper protocol and procedures and vetting and that they were ver they had verified it and corroborated it and they never did.
And these are many of the top names, top name people you would know.
And I'm just sitting back and I'm watching that if if you or I committed a fraud like that on the court, I think we'd probably be looking at serious jail time.
Why doesn't the court care?
Um I think you put your finger on something that people don't understand, I think, widely how important it is, because there's something I've written about, and I was tipped off to this by someone in the Intel agencies, called Woods procedures.
These were instituted in 2001 because of abuses and material presented to the FISA court that said from that point on this information, every fact presented to the FISA court must be personally verified by the FBI, not just in a secondhand way or through media reports, personally investigated and verified.
And if if a single fact is not verifiable, they have to go back to the drawing board, they're not allowed to go to the court.
This seems to me on its face to have violated what is a very, very serious rule and perhaps a criminal violation inside the Justice Department that nobody seems to care about.
That that was instituted in 2001 under, by the way, Mueller, when he was head of the FBI.
How is it possible?
Uh I mean, you were closer, but more of a main more in the mainstream media than I've ever been.
You know, it's funny, people ask me all the time, although they'll make a statement, well, you're not a journalist, and I say, Well, I don't view my job description as being a journalist.
I think I'm a talk show host.
But under the banner of being a talk show host, Cheryl, I can give you hours and hours of radio and television coverage where I was a straight news reporter.
In other words, I just report the facts about a story that's unfolding.
That's part of my job.
Uh a big part of my job.
We've done investigative reporting on, for example, Obama's radical ties prior to the election in 2008, and many mo most of those stories the media wouldn't go near.
They wouldn't even touch them.
You know, imagine that he starts his career in the homes of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dorn, and he only got asked one time, and it only happened because George Stephanopoulos was on my radio show the day before, and I said, What are you gonna ask him about Ayers and Dorn?
He said, Who are they?
He had never heard of them.
You know, or the same with the deep state investigation, which I know you have also done some work on.
Uh, but we've been able to discover uh a lot of information about the server that Hillary Clinton did have classified and top secret information on it.
And we do now have pretty well confirmed that it was hacked by at least six foreign intelligence services, that in spite of what James Comey said, that they were writing an exoneration in early May, he was doing it with Peter Strzok before they interviewed her in early July and before they exonerated her, and in the meantime they had changed the legal standard from gross negligence to extreme carelessness.
And then we know that they immediately began the witch hunt into Donald Trump with no reason whatsoever to go forward.
Uh, but they ignored that Hillary bought and paid for a Russian dossier by funneling money through a law firm to an op research group to a foreign national.
I didn't think foreign nationals was supposed to impact our elections, and that he got all this Russian dirt supposedly on Donald Trump.
It's known as the dossier.
That information was disseminated to the American people.
It was used as the bulk, according to the Grassley Graham Nunes memos, the bulk of information to obtain FISA warrants against the uh Trump campaign associate, and then later used as a media leak strategy to bludgeon and delegitimize Trump because they had this plan, this insurance policy in place.
Now, that sounds a lot worse than General Flynn who served as country 33 years and five years in combat, doesn't it?
Well, it does, and I've become convinced, based on the evidence that's come out in the past year and a half, that there is something you can either call, you know, procedure, narrative, or I think an operation that was conducted and has been conducted that involves the news media using the news media that involves leaks that involves foreign intelligence that involves our own intelligence,
surveillance, and all kinds of things designed to controversialize this president and those around him and to keep him, and particular General Flynn, who was going to look at alleged surveillance abuses inside the Intel community that occurred in recent years to keep them from getting close to that.
And it's been very successful in those terms.
Because any time President Trump suggests getting close to digging around or looking at some of these alleged abuses, they can cry obstruction and do, whether it is or not.
And was that part of the insurance policy they just they discussed in advance?
So I think all of these things are coming together in a pretty clear way that you would be hearing more about if the tables were turned party-wise, it the media would be a very good idea.
All we need is one attorney general that believes in equal application of our laws and equal justice under the law.
Because if we do, then all of these things will be investigated and all of these things will be prosecuted.
And General Flynn, uh, who is speaking to his soon-to-be Russian counterpart after the election does not represent any collusion of any kind.
But meanwhile, this guy lost his house, couldn't afford the lawyer lawyers involved, and he now, you know, may face a little jail time.
It doesn't look like it, but hop th I hope to God not, but a year of his life is gone.
You were involved in your memoir, you recalled that a source connected to a government agency implicated a um uh a sophisticated entity that used commercial, non-attributable spyware that is proprietary as a to a government agency,
either the CIA, the FBI defense intelligence agency or national security agency in a breach, and you're suing the Justice Department of the Obama years of illegally surveilling your computers and seeking 35 million in damage.
Uh by the way, the information that they got on General Flynn was obtained illegally.
How is your case going?
Well, we're still in there four years later, which it's itself an accomplishment because as you may know, the government enjoys all kinds of automatic immunities, and they've been fighting this case still under Trump, same people as did under Obama, the Justice Department, fighting using your tax dollars and kind of trying to bleed me dry and avoid discovery.
You know, we need discovery to get the names of the people who were involved in this operation, which has been confirmed with parts of five different forensics exams, but we can't get the names if they won't agree to discovery.
And instead of launching their own criminal investigation, which is what the Justice Department ought to have done long ago into those intrusions, which are confirmed, they're defending the the intruders in court.
So there is, you may know, you know, no press group step forward, no civil liberties group step forward to assist in the case.
And when some attorneys found out that recently, when I spoke at a fourth surveillance abuse conference to some lawyers, they started a Fourth Amendment litigation fund for me, and you know, because this has become extremely expensive.
So there is a GoFundMe related to it, and we're going to keep going as long as we can.
We have oral arguments now scheduled, which is positive for late January in this case to try to get discovery.
If we allow the abuse of the powerful tools of intelligence that we entrust to our intelligence community to turn them on the American people like this, uh, and this is when you were investigating issues like Benghazi and some other things, then w we're no better than the former Soviet Union in any way.
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So you were able to get some attorneys that t took on your case, and you now know for a fact that within the government, they illegally surveilled, unmasked, and then leaked raw intelligence on him.
And in your case, it's pretty much the same thing.
You now have you have all the evidence, forensic evidence, that one of these agencies systems will put on your computer, and you're hacked for the purpose of your government getting the information that you were producing on topics they didn't like covered.
Is that correct?
It is, and I think you know, my case came out.
CBS announced the remote intrusion a few months after we had discovered them internally and started investigating them.
But my case happened, we discovered it with the help of some Intel Insiders before Edward Snowden, before Clapper gave misinformation to Congress, before we knew the government had spied on AP and Fox News.
So it seemed so incredible at the time, but now it's important.
Not to me, because I know it's important to me, but why should it be important to other people?
It was a symptom of this entire system of surveillance abuses going on that they are now trying not to let us dig into, which is why I think, at least partly why they did what they did to Trump and his associates.
So my case figures in very prominently in that whole alleged cover-up of what these agencies have been doing for years, including, by the way, under Moeller, who's now investigating it.
And I'm not saying he's not an honest broker.
I don't know him.
I know people who like him.
I know people who like him less.
But he was in charge of the FBI when some of these things were happening.
So, you know, it's it's all very twisted and tied up together.
I've had people on this program say that every phone call, every text, every email is metadata stored.
Now, these are guys that were involved in the system.
I've never been able to confirm it myself, but it sounds a little 1984-ish to me.
Uh, but in your case, you actually have hard evidence that you are specifically targeted, and they were using the powerful tools of intelligence that we entrust to them.
Uh, we'll continue to follow it.
Cheryl Atkinson, thanks so much for being with us.
We appreciate it.
Thanks for having me, Sean.
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So we've been following the border, and you go back to the election, the news media, Barack Obama out Campaigning.
This is not this is this is just to racially inspire those those racist Republicans to vote, et cetera, et cetera.
No, that's never been what it was about.
And now we have a real crisis, 7,000, an estimated so or so many people in Tijuana.
It's now developing into a massive humanitarian crisis.
Medical supplies are needed greatly for things like TB and and other diseases, which by the way, I think the U.S. should probably help uh the people.
Um and the bigger problem is is that Mexican officials and our own Department of Homeland Security have identified over 600 people that have infiltrated the migrant caravan community, if you will.
And there's been there's been assault, sexual assault, and other going on throughout the time that the walking and the caravan has been moving.
And anyway, the most important thing, 600 people that we've identified as criminals.
There's a daily caller piece out today.
The media never misses a chance to try try and paint illegal migrant border crashes as sympathetic, hardworking families, you know, women and children, when the vast majority of people are actually men.
And for every, you know, the all the thousands, I'm sure the vast majority of people that want what we often take for granted, which is a better life and opportunity for themselves and their kids.
And the problem is there is this report of an illegal alien pleading guilty Wednesday of this week of raping and murdering an Islamic teen last year in a horrifying case near a mosque in Fairfax County, Virginia.
Darwin Martinez Torres, 25, pled guilty, capital murder and rape, 17-year-old Nabra Hassana.
And part of the deal allows him to avoid the death penalty in exchange for a life sentence behind bars.
And Martinez Torres is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a suspected member of the notorious MS-13 street gang, according to the Daily Mail.
Prosecutors laid out the crime in chilling detail.
And we had a recent case of a young teacher that was killed by an illegal immigrant in Tech, I think it was Texas last weekend.
And in that case, he had already been arrested for a violent crime, and we didn't deport the person.
Now this young teacher is dead.
And people talk about family separation.
Well, you can't use tear gas.
Well, what are you supposed to do when people are pelting bottles, rocks, and other projectiles at our border patrol and trying to crash down gates and enter the country illegally?
Senator Lindsay Graham is with us.
Senator, how are you?
How was your uh Thanksgiving?
It was good.
I hope you had a good one.
Yeah, you know what?
We you know what we do, which is really I got a butterball turkey fryer.
No, I swear.
So, like take a 15-pound turkey.
How long do you think it takes to cook that?
Uh four hours.
No, forty-five minutes.
That's what no, you you literally you just drop it down in peanut oil.
It's over in 45 minutes.
It's the juiciest turkey.
Now turkey's usually dry when you're done cooking.
You can't baste it.
You based it if it has the skin on it.
It's not going to penetrate the skin anyway.
And but it comes out steep, moist, delicious, the best turkey ever had.
Well, you've just talked to the guy that can't boil water, and I'm I'm much better for the for having learned all that.
Oh, come on.
You what do you go on?
You can't buy you can't boil water, you can't make spaghetti seriously.
You can't fry an egg.
No, I'm I'm a danger to myself and others in the kitchen.
But I'm glad that you're good at what you do on the radio as well as doing uh frying turkeys.
Speaking of turkeys, uh let's talk about the democratic response to the caravan.
Yeah, pretty bad.
Well, Chuck Schumer, I guess, got pressure from the left wing of his party for uh even talking about funding the border wall.
And he says, well, maybe we'll just put up a fence.
A fence isn't gonna stop anybody.
Uh here's a moment in time for President Trump to drive home the point he's been making for two years that something's got to change.
And let's start with a caravan.
If you do not deter this caravan, you got ten more coming.
If you don't get it now, that people are trying to overrun our border, take advantage of our laws, you're never gonna get it.
So President Trump, stand your ground.
I'm for fixing a broken immigration system.
But who is going to allow us to fix this broken immigration system unless you can prove to them you won't have eleven million twenty years from now?
And that's what the caravan's about.
It's always been, in my mind, secure the border first.
You know how you always, for example, you make these spending deals, you and your friends in Washington, and we always get the tax increase right away.
And then the spending cuts, we never get the that part of the deal never happens.
Right.
So I I it'd be we'd get the amnesty, but we're not going to get the wall.
Well, so that's what Reagan did.
Reagan gave three million people amnesty.
We never did the border, we never controlled uh employment through Air Verify, we never increased legal immigration, so people don't have to cheat.
The one thing I can tell you for sure is if you can't prove to the public that you won't have a third wave by being fair to the eleven million already here, you're never going to get a deal.
To Democrats who want to fix a broken immigration system.
When you ignore the problems created by the caravan, when you make light of the fact that our laws are broken and enticing people to come here legally, when you criticize President Trump for doing the same thing President Obama did on the border uh to protect us, then you're making a huge mistake.
You know, Senator, there's two ideas out there that I think I like.
The president so far has been given what, three and a half billion, if I'm not correct, for the border wall.
Right.
And there's progress made.
The estimate is we need a total of twenty-five.
There's two proposals out there.
One is if Republicans decide to stick together, they could use the reconciliation process and in the Senate, which would mean they you only need 50 votes.
Mike Pence would be the tiebreak, and that we could get full funding of the wall.
If not, the president has said he would take five billion as a down payment and negotiate the actual building of the wall himself, meaning it's not going to be waste fraud and abuse.
He's going to get somebody to give him a good deal.
Right.
So Ted Cruz has been pushing this idea.
Count me in.
We need to do it before the new Congress because we're going to lose the House.
Are you talking about the res reconciliation?
Reconciliation.
So count me in.
Again, I've been beat up for trying to solve immigration, but people never understood where I'm coming from.
I want to fix it so we don't have eleven million twenty years from now.
I don't want to do a phony deal, I want to do a real deal, and it starts with border security.
If you can't control the border, you're going to have eleven million more 20 years from now.
So I think Ted Cruz's idea is a smart idea.
Let's go ahead and appropriate the entire 25 billion dollars in the next 10 days.
Do you think it would pass where are you where are your fellow senators?
Because we really can't afford to lose any.
I mean, and you're you're kind of friends with everybody.
So the bottom line is that the Democratic Party is missing an opportunity to work with us to give public confidence that we all see the same movie.
The most people in this country have no animosity toward immigrants in general.
We'll be fair to illegal immigrants, long as they're not felons, rapists, and murderers, but they're pretty upset with their government who cannot work together to stop an invasion by a caravan of people who are demanding to come into the country.
So let's use the time we have left in Congress to go ahead and get the money and see what happens.
Where well, Mitch McConnell kind of runs a tight ship over there.
Where is he?
Well, I I I love uh Mitch McConnell's fine, but you know, at the end of the day, if they don't give him five billion, he should insist they do, because it's a reasonable amount of money to continue progress on securing the border.
But we do have control of the Congress till January the third.
You could through reconciliation pass money appropriated for border security as a standalone proposition.
I don't like doing things like this, but I don't see an option to it if they don't work with us.
No, I agree with that wholeheartedly.
I think you're I think you're right.
I guess my biggest fear is is that you know this opportunity is gonna pass.
Look, you You're gonna have a bigger majority in January for the Senate, but the House is never gonna go along with it.
So this is a a short window that we have available here for us, correct?
January the third, so you know, I I want to be home for Christmas and all that good stuff.
And listen, it's not like I haven't tried to work with Democrats to fix a broken immigration system.
But here's the frustration for a guy like me.
You know, I've had my ass kicked trying to fix this problem, and Trump is right about the caravan.
Because Trump says it doesn't mean it's wrong.
He's right to stand up to the caravan and to draw a red line in the sand that we're not going to allow asylum laws to be abused anymore.
You're not going to come to America, get released, and never show up for your hearing.
You're gonna stay on the Mexican side of the border.
And to the mayor of Tijuana, if you ever listen to this program, you got a friend in Lindsay Graham, and I think Sean Annity, it's the mayor of Tijuana, Mexico that's the biggest advocate for why the caravan's not working.
You know, uh we pretty much know what is gonna happen in the House next year.
Democrats, they're gonna be investigating, investigating.
Nancy Pelosi said that their first bill is that President Trump must release his taxes.
That's not going anywhere in the U.S. Senate.
So the president who campaigned for Marsha Blackburn and Governor Kemp uh elected in in Georgia and DeSantis and Scott and you know helped defeat Claire McCaskill with Josh Hawley and helped defeat Joe Donnelly with Braun and helped defeat Heidi Heikamp, that's now gonna pay huge dividends for him having the Senate.
You were very clear if the Democrats go down the road of endless nonstop investigation, you're all right with that because you're just gonna do the same thing in the Senate.
What do you mean by that specifically?
Well, let's just play this out.
Okay, McCabe lied about matters that allowed him to be fired.
Nobody has threatened to put him in jail to have him talk more about what he knows about the twenty-fifth amendment and all that other stuff.
So the zeal that Mueller has to break people to try to find out if they know more than they're telling us was never present during the FBI DOJ debacle.
We never had a special counsel.
So if you're gonna spend all of your time in the House looking at twenty sixteen and looking at Trump, I'm in charge of the Judiciary Committee, Ron Johnson's charge of Homeland Security.
We've got plenty of opportunity to look at McCabe, Comey, Lynch, all of these people about what they did with the FISA warrant and what they did about the clean email investigation.
What about Uranium One?
Well, I mean, I think you can start with I think the exoneration of Hillary.
I mean, she clearly with that mom and pop shop bathroom closet server of hers violated the espionage act.
Why do I why do I think, Senator, that if I had subpoenaed emails and I deleted them and I cleaned my hard drive with bleach pit and I broke up my devices and I had to go before your committee, I why do I think you guys would probably handcuff me right there and send me to jail for the rest of my life?
Well, number one, don't try this at home.
Try the Turkey thing, but don't try the Clinton email thing.
Yeah, don't it's not gonna work out.
Well, how come it works out for her?
How do you get to commit?
You know, she's she paid for Russian lies that were disseminated to the American people did that one.
You are uh So here's what I'm gonna do.
The FISA warrant process seems to have been abused that the uh Democratic Party along with Clinton paid a foreign agent to collect information uh against President Candidate Trump, foreign agent that was used to get a warrant and none of the information is reliable.
How could you get multiple warrants, much less one?
If we don't find out what happened there, then we're letting the whole system down.
So I'm gonna look at that.
Senator, you wrote a memo with co-authored with with Senator Grassley, and it's the Grassley Graham memo.
I don't know why he got top billing.
You need to talk about that.
And I think that it you uh the bulk of information for the Pfizer warrants was the phony dossier.
Isn't isn't that a fraud committed on a Pfizer court and they purposely didn't tell the court that she paid for it?
Sure.
Well, where is the FISA court's outrage, number one?
Number two, If there was a paid informant, a confidential informant used as a counterintelligence operation that was paid to talk to the Trump campaign about connections to Russia.
What did the confidential informant find?
And why wasn't that information used to get a warrant?
So here's what I'm suggesting to you.
that the confidential informant used by the FBI to look at the Trump campaign didn't find anything about Russia, because if he had, it would have been part of the warrant application to surveil Carter Page.
Well, I think you're right on all accounts.
And the only thing that I I might add is the uranium one debacle.
You know we had it, we had infiltrated Putin's network.
You know that Hillary got the kickbacks to the Clinton Foundation.
You know that Robert Muller just happened to be the FBI director, and the FBI infiltrator was informing his bosses that bribery, extortion, money laundering, and kickbacks were going on, and they still approved that uranium one deal, 20% of our uranium, you know, ending up really in Putin's hands.
And they knew everything.
I mean what people in your program believed is that when it came to Clinton misconduct, there was really no zealous effort to find the truth, that the people investigating Clinton headed out for Trump and wanted her to win, that the FISA warrant was more political than it was legal, and that that whole group got a pass and that they're going after Trump like there's no tomorrow.
And I don't know how you tell people that they're not right to believe that.
I'm gonna have to let you go here, Senator.
We do appreciate what you're doing.
I think you're gonna be working pretty hard next year.
Hope you get some downtime over Christmas, and maybe we'll get that reconciliation bill first.
Uh that would be awesome and fund the wall.
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This president that we have now is trying to unravel everything that he did and Obama did.
And if I ever become a one-issue voter, it will be about pollution and the greenhouse effect.
And we focus on the president, please.
I don't I don't want to talk about traveling.
We're honoring a great president.
I I want to talk about honoring, but I'm not interested in your one issue.
I don't care what you're saying.
We'll go right back.
Uh we'll be right back after that little fight.
Apparently, according to some news reports, I think it was page six, they actually it got really nasty behind the scenes.
They actually were at each other's throats with names that we can't even use on this show legally.
So, yeah, well, we love Republicans as as people on the left, just when they're dead.
Uh Camille uh Pali is with us, uh back with us, uh provocateur iconoclast, and uh one of the more interesting people I've ever had the chance over the years to interview.
How are you?
Hi, Sean.
As a Democrat, okay, I'm embarrassed by the behavior of my party for the past few years since the election, for heaven's sakes, there was a uh the duly elected president, and now it's incumbent on my party to uh clarify its agenda and find a strong uh candidate that can appeal from coast to coast.
Uh and and there's all this endless, almost hallucinatory obsession with uh with tearing the president down and and thereby w weakening the image of America in the world.
What is, in your view, I look at the Democratic agenda as almost singularly focused on destroying Donald Trump.
Uh that we know where they stand, they want open borders, they want the crumbs back, the tax cuts that that President Trump passed.
And I don't hear any policies that I think would benefit the American people.
I I say the forgotten men and women that are struggling and out of work, in poverty, on food stamps, etc.
And I think I I don't see an agenda that's gonna be one that's gonna help make the country better.
No, it it's it's uh like a cloud of hysterical emotionalism that's coming from I think uh uh this uh complete isolation and detachment of the educated elite and the uh the urban media in the United States.
I'm I'm speaking as a professor of media studies.
The you know self-destruction of journalism itself over the past few years is going to have a terrible effect in the long run on our democracy.
When the president says fake news or I say fake news or because I think a lot of it is fake.
My my analysis, and I'm I I can't really watch a whole lot of it, but we do for pure I guess entertainment and political purposes pick out, but it seems like it's every second, every minute, every hour, every day.
It's hate Trump.
And without any exceptions on some of the cable networks.
Well, I had to I've had to stop watching TV news completely.
Well, well, well, well, well, uh wait, Hannity's on at nine, Professor.
That's so not fair.
What are you doing?
What do you do?
I gotta put food on the table, you know.
You're killing me.
What's that about?
I thought we were friends.
Well, you know, I would I used to watch the uh the network news and and CNN all the time, and now I I tune in CNN for the hurricanes, and that's it because it's absolutely unbearable.
These people living in their bubble in Manhattan and Washington and Los Angeles.
I teach in Philadelphia, but I live in the distant suburbs and I I try to observe actual social reality in the United States.
All right, and I think that's you know, what we what's pouring out of the you know the major media is absolute what can I what can I say?
It's almost like the Spanish Inquisition.
These people are uh are are are twisted truly mentally twisted people who are are so focused on tearing down uh other people's beliefs, you know, without presenting a a coherent agenda of their own.
You know, I like to ru I I really like conservatism and I'm a conservative because I like the ideas that I believe when implemented work.
Uh peace through strength works.
Uh lower taxes, less burdensome regulation works.
I've never I I can't really point to a left-wing policy that I can embrace and say, you know what, that's a great idea.
That's gonna help people because all they've done is frankly created more dependency.
Yes, I I mean I'm you know I voted for Bernie Sanders or in the in the Democratic primaries last time around, but I'm well aware, okay, of the impracticality of um of uh the the socialist proposals uh that are endorsed by particularly many of the younger um uh uh you know now elected officials who uh who appear to have no clear grasp on eC on the on e c economics, okay, and how in fact uh a nation's wealth is generated.
So I think there's just a kind of a lack of practical understanding, this there's too much adherence to buzzwords and and compassion as a as a general flag instead of the uh the GOP at least has a has uh a sense of um uh of um you know the way economies actually work in the modern world.
See, I don't think the GOP really has it.
I think Trump has it.
I think a few Republicans have it.
I think real conservatives have it, but I have more contempt for the Republican Party that frankly has just become a watered down version of the Democratic Party.
And the thing that I I hate the most in life is I don't see courage, I don't see these people fighting and taking a stand, and they say one thing on the campaign trail and they do something entirely different when when they get in uh a position of power, and that frustrates me.
Uh I think health care was a great case in point.
Obama's president sixty-five times Republicans vote to repeal and replace, then when it mattered, they're nowhere to be found.
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
I mean, I you know I was one of the few Democrats criticizing Obamacare before it was ever passed, trying to warn the party, don't be going down that that road.
Uh you know, essentially Nancy Pelosi even pulled out you know, you know, a plan that had been in the drawer, you know, for years, and uh was was was you know saying things like we'll find out what's in it once it's passed and and so on.
All of the problems in Obamacare, I think were very, very clear way down the road.
You know, look, the promises weren't kept.
Keep your doctor, your plan, save money.
Millions lost their doctors and plans.
Now they have only one option and nobody saved any money.
What do you think of what are your observations about Donald Trump?
I'll tell you uh one thing that I do like about him is the world feigns m you know outrage at every word or tweet that he sends out there.
I think it's selective and phony, and I think they're all pretending.
Uh I I don't think we're a bunch of snowflakes that have not heard these words before or known people that are combative in our life before.
I love that he fights, and he when he's fighting for the American people, that's good.
But um what are your general thoughts about him as presidency and his enemies that want to remove him from office?
Well, he's you know, he's a practical man of business who was brought in essentially from outside the all of the party's structures.
There has been a civil war going on inside the Republican Party as well as inside the Democratic Party for for years now.
And I you know, I think that uh he he represents a a a wave, it's obvious it's happened in Brazil, it's happening in Europe as well, of uh the electorates are are sick and tired of politics as usual and wants someone to come in and and deal with the problems themselves outside of idi ideology.
And that's essentially what he brings.
That the the there's a kind of whatever chaos uh you know the media are uh you know have been decrying in the Trump administration is coming from the fact that he doesn't he was not a politician.
He doesn't have a huge cadre of um of uh you know allies and supporters uh in the political establishment.
So he's b basically feeling his way.
Um but you know the I think the news media has failed spectacularly in its attacks on him for the since sin since the election.
Okay, the more they attack him, the more they they're driving the country away from themselves and toward Trump.
That's what uh that's kind what I see.
I mean, if if the economy continues strong, I've been saying, okay, I th I seems to be no doubt that Trump will be re-elected.
I hope to vote for a Democrat.
They have to give me a nominee I can vote for and not a corrupt figure like Hillary.
You wrote you wrote a piece about how Hillary wants Trump to win again.
Who would be who why do you say that?
And who would be the person you would most be inclined at or most interested in hearing more about at this time.
Well, you you you can you can see by her behavior by this hogging of the spotlight that she's been doing, okay, that that she's been essentially cutting out you know the legs from uh from all the the uh democratic candidates who would like who would like to build up a national profile.
I mean, I I think her behavior uh toward or fellow democrats has been uh absolutely appalling and and and classless.
Uh well, I would I had uh the you know high hopes you know for c for uh uh uh Kamala Harris, okay, but I I heard that her behavior has certainly not been such in the last um year or so that we that I would believe she could draw votes from the broad, you know, midsection of the country.
So I I've been looking at the candidates uh possible candidates uh uh like for example um Governor Steve Bullock of Montana and also Congresswoman Sherry Bustos uh from Illinois.
Uh that this is the kind of you know the kind of heartland manner, uh a warmth without the sarcasm and the sniping and the elitism that's so characteristic of of an Elizabeth Warren, you know, um or of uh of Cursten Gillibrands all over the map.
You know, I find President Trump hilarious.
Like for example, I I look at your writings and you know, a lot of times I'll laugh out loud, and I think uh I I can I know you now well enough, I think, that I know that you like to push people's buttons and make them think.
I can only imagine what you're like in the classroom.
I frankly would love to sit in on a lecture and watch that endeavor unfold because I'm assuming you're teaching a bunch of snowflakes and there's shock and awe of their precious little value system uh getting challenged.
I I I've got to imagine that's a pretty interesting experience.
Well, I I'm de I teach at a at a practical vocational art school, okay.
So I I I don't have as many snowflakes as are pouring into the elite schools.
Well, but still uh you know this is a little shock and all.
You know, the best teachers I had, I had a really great professor at Adelphi University when I w I went there a year, and he was a sociology guy, and he he's just out of his mind.
Okay, if you want me to say communism's Great, and I'll get an A. Okay, I understand the game.
I can play that way.
And or I can just stand up to you and say you're an idiot and I can't stand your stupid book that you're making us buy and um I'm wasting my time in this class, and then you suffer and you get the appropriate grade of of daring to challenge the views of the professor.
Right.
Well, uh you uh my my voice and my views are uh are available to the public and my my new book is Provocations, okay, which is a collection of uh of essays on a huge variety of things, from Hollywood to politics to my longstanding proposal that religion, comparative religion, be made the core curriculum of um undergraduate education.
I mean as I believe that only by understanding the great world religions of the uh you know through history can people really uh hope to for any kind of multicultural understanding of uh of um of Earth Today.
Yeah, all right, Camille uh Pauli is with us.
A new book is called Provocations, a 700 page essay collection, including well, her best her choice satires of of Hillary Clinton, all listed in the index.
If you want to get a copy, we'll put it up on Hannity.com.
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All right, Camille Pallia is uh with us for latest book Provocations.
All right, is humanity losing its sense of humor?
Because I see we're losing our sen I mean, don't you when people make fun of me, right?
Which they do, I I I love I love it.
I I think it's the greatest form of flattery.
I have people that I know in the business that I work in, radio and TV.
Somebody says one bad thing about them.
Well, Saturday Night Live mocks them, and they they lose it.
They they bubble and fizz like Alka Seltzer in water, and they can't handle it.
Why is that?
Well, comedy was one of the great genres of American culture.
I mean, one of the the cultural h heroes of my college years was Lenny Bruce, okay, who had been was a arrested repeatedly for pushing the limits of of comedy, live comedy.
All right, and I and some some I re I regard humor as health.
Okay, people who are humorous or who are thin skinned, hypersensitive uh to the offensiveness of comedy and so on.
I think they have a mental problem.
And right now, uh unfortunately, our universities have institutionalized the state of um neurotic hypersensitiveness.
You know, I don't know if you watch comedy shows or these specials like on HPO or maybe some of the older comedians like Richard Pryor was hilarious.
Uh I think Chris Rock is probably the most energetic, gifted um storyteller, iconoclastic, tell it like it is, uh c uh comedian out there today.
Um I've watched all these guys, and the more raw, the better for me.
The more the more politically incorrect, the funnier they are.
But there are a lot of comics that are afraid to go there because of where we are in society, and you can't say this and you can't offend that one or that one.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, they the comedian depends on the sense of uh transgression.
You have to have boundaries and you have to violate.
Uh, I but I am a believer in in free thought and free speech, okay, and that and uh uh and comedy should always be unfettered.
We're in a very very puritanical period right now that um is is very dangerous, okay, because it it uh invades the mind, it intrudes on the minds, it it holds emotional hostage.
Were you worried the way Judge Kavanaugh was treated?
Oh, I thought it was absolutely appalling, absolutely appalling.
But the but the Democrats shot themselves in the foot, okay.
By good Lord, okay.
I've have you ever seen okay, such a irrational it was it was it was like the Salem witch trials.
It really was.
All right, Camille uh Palia, her book Provocation, 700 page essay, including uh her best work, is uh on Hannity.com, Amazon.com.
Camille, good to talk to you.
Have a Thank you, Sean.
Thank you so much.
Have a great vacation.
I assume you're going on vacation, having a break.
All right, you're I never have a vacation.
But but happy holidays to you.
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