Russell Brand and his team dissect the UK's ban on Ye, arguing that canceling his Wireless Festival slot due to offensive lyrics represents a dangerous cultural shift toward banality over artistic edge. While Prime Minister Keir Starmer condemns West's actions, Brand critiques this censorship alongside Tucker Carlson's Islamophobic rhetoric, suggesting both serve a controlling system. The episode pivots to Joe Massey's traumatic driving lesson with an erratic former army instructor, where the group applies 12-step principles to transform fear-based resentment into spiritual growth. Ultimately, they conclude that true freedom requires facing life's "fires" through faith rather than reacting selfishly to societal pressures or personal anxieties. [Automatically generated summary]
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Kanye Banned from Wireless Festival00:14:52
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Kanye West, yay, as is now known, was set to be appearing at the Wireless Festival in the UK.
Now, He has been banned from entering the country.
I see a lot of friends of mine that are Jewish in the UK, people that work in showbiz and stuff, saying that it's good that he's being banned and being able to cite what looks like a litany of significant errors, actually, when you look at it from their perspective.
You know, a song called Heil Hitler, wearing swastikas, stuff like that.
But when you actually care about free speech, I suppose what you're saying is if you're not saying, I respect the free speech of people that are, for example, I don't know, saying the worst things about me, it's Possible to say about a person if you're not saying that, then you're not interested in free speech at all.
And I think actually the Kanye West issue is interesting precisely because he will take you to edge lands.
I think that's in a way what a creative artist is supposed to do.
Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.
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Thanks for joining us today for this conversation about free speech.
We'll also, of course, be looking at Armageddon, the apocalypse.
We'll be looking at Trump's rhetoric from a variety of perspectives.
And we'll be doing crack on our show about recovery as well as just trying to keep a handle on events that are moving so quickly.
It's important to remember that God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow because otherwise I think you'd go kind of crazy.
I don't know, at least I reckon I would.
So here's the original story about Kanye West.
The US rapper Kanye West has responded to the backlash over his headline slot at the Wireless Festival in London.
A number of corporate sponsors, including the soft drink giant Pepsi, have withdrawn from the event.
After his appearance was announced, now known as Ye, the rapper has released a song in praise of Adolf Hitler and sold Swatzika t shirts.
He's previously.
Even that's not accurate.
I suppose Heil Hitler is in praise of, because the word Heil is like celebrate.
But, like, it also says the N word in it.
I mean, it's not like Adolf Hitler would have gone, I like this song.
Like, Hitler wouldn't have liked that, I think.
I don't think he'd have liked Kanye West at all.
Pretty clear that Kanye West didn't like Jewish people.
Among his many pretty, let's say, extreme policies, there was the Holocaust.
That's pretty clear where he stood on that.
But I reckon, say as a comedian, when you make jokes about paedophilia, you are not endorsing paedophilia.
It's difficult to think of a joke about paedophilia that isn't in and of itself condemnatory of paedophilia.
And I suppose when you're making any creative.
When you are in creativity at all, if you're not moving around in the edges and the periphery, you are by kind of default doing stuff that's not really worth doing, I would say.
So, the point of creativity is to take you into new territories or to celebrate beauty or to bring you closer to God or be godlike.
Me personally, I don't reckon I would produce a song called Heil Hitler.
It wouldn't be any good anyway.
I don't have the incredible skill set that he has.
But some people think that Kenny West is a once in a generation artist, and he's got a catalogue to back that up, I'd say.
Probably.
So let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
Like, where would you stand?
Do you think that someone should be able to say Hail Hitler, N-word?
I know Dave Rubin, when I was working with him more, he would say, like, oh, well, you will say Hail Hitler, but you will say N-word.
I do sometimes say the N-word, but I don't know.
It's because when I was at a very impressionable age, I, because I'm so cool, was hanging out with black people and I had conversations about it and felt like, yeah, it's not good for white people to use that word.
I had really exhaustive conversations.
Conversations about it, and sometimes that began with me using that word to black people's faces and then explaining to me, sometimes physically, why I shouldn't say it.
So, like, I'm sort of done on that one.
But let's see where we end up with the old BBC.
He's previously apologized for making anti Semitic comments.
I also know that the intention of the culture is to strip away free speech and to strip away creativity.
They want banality, banality is part of what they want.
And I somehow feel that that's a bigger threat than.
Hateful rhetoric, although hateful rhetoric is obviously by definition not good.
Making anti Semitic comments, blaming the outbursts on his bipolar disorder.
I think she just said anti Semitic, and that's actually where you hate little ants and say that they shouldn't be able to.
I don't want you in my anthill.
I don't like them red ants, those bastards.
The little black ants, they're okay.
Red ants, them red ants, they run the whole ant community.
Oh, have you noticed that?
Whenever there's any ants wandering off with little big lumps of food and that.
There's always the red ants.
Those swines, them Red Sea crossing ants.
Statement The rapper says he wants to meet with members of the Jewish community in Britain.
He also says to those I've heard, I've been following the conversation around wireless and want to address it directly.
My only goal is to come to London and present a show of change, bringing unity, peace, and love.
I know words aren't enough.
I'll have to show change through my actions.
If you're open, I'm here.
Good statement.
A proper response to that would be, yeah, okay, this.
Let's have it then.
I think so.
Don't you?
Let me know in the comments and chat.
I don't think we're going to improve this situation by ossifying our positions and settling down into camps of condemnation.
It's really easy to condemn other people.
It's not so easy to change yourself.
It's exhausting.
I've been working on it quite a lot in my own life.
I think the whole festival's been cancelled now because he has been bad.
We have had that news just in the past few seconds.
A statement from the festival.
The news nowadays, eh?
You just have to wait for someone on horseback to bring you some parchment saying that, I don't know.
Princess has been kidnapped or a moat had been transgressed.
Now, one second ago, it's been banned.
No, he's not anti Semite.
No, oh, wait, hold on a second.
Wait, no, we've just learned this.
Wait, what about the bank?
Oh, no, gee, oh, wait.
Like, no one can do news anymore.
It's all too new.
Statement from the Festival Republic, where the organizers are wireless, they're saying the Home Office has withdrawn Yea's Kenya West ETA, that's the travel authorization, basically the visa, denying him entry into.
He's the Joe McCann of America.
Trying to get Yay into England is like trying to get Joe into America.
Joe is also an anti Semite.
He's not.
I don't know why I said that.
Entry into the United Kingdom.
Oh my God.
I'll pause it again.
I said that for a laugh.
Entry into the United Kingdom.
As a result, Wireless Festival is cancelled and refunds will be issued to all ticket holders.
And it goes on to say, as with every Wireless Festival.
They're doing all their promo about their bleeding refund policy.
It goes on to say, as with every Wireless Festival.
Multiple stakeholders were consulted in advance of booking Ye, and no concerns were highlighted at the time.
They go on to say anti Semitism in all its forms is abhorrent, and we recognize the real and personal impact these issues have had.
As Ye said today, he acknowledged that words alone are not enough.
In spite of this, he still hopes to be given the opportunity to begin a conversation with the Jewish community in the UK.
So that statement from Festival Republic, the organizer.
Organizers of the wireless festival reacting to the news that the government has denied Kanye West entry to the United Kingdom, and as a result, they have cancelled the wireless.
But there is no cancelled culture, though.
Hey, it's interesting because who meets the standard?
Who meets the standard?
Who thinks they're good enough to do anything anywhere now?
Who, like, I should be able to do it?
Like, everyone's so broken and flawed.
Keir Starmer, Kanye West should never have been invited to Headline Wireless.
This government stands firmly with the Jewish community and will not.
Stop in our fight to confront the poison of anti Semitism.
We will always take the action necessary to protect the public and uphold our values.
Well, that, like, man, I'd love to see the comments underneath any Keir Starmer post.
They're always the same.
You fucking.
And, like, no one likes this guy.
He is loathed.
He is detested to a degree that I don't know that I've ever seen.
In fact, here's like just a moment of him.
Football stadiums across the country are breaking out into anti Keir Starmer chants.
And the reason is, is because.
Whilst Kanye West may or may not have been or created anti Semitic content, he is also an authentic artist and a truth teller.
Keir Starmer is a person that will just say whatever you have to say at any particular point in order to maintain the bureaucratic control of imperialist systems that are a lot more dangerous than Kanye West, let me tell you.
Here he is being mocked.
Keir Starmer's alive!
I find it very heartening to watch stuff like that.
I've always liked football fans, football culture, even when I myself have been subject to their aggression.
Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.
Tommy Robinson has said this about it.
Tommy Robinson, the British activist and patriot.
Kanye West should never have been invited to headline wireless.
He's responding to that post.
Weren't you with a terrorist last week?
I don't know who they are.
The president of Syria, Ahmad al-Sharah, formerly of Al-Qaeda.
I mean, I suppose that.
Well, I mean, Tommy Robinson's position is pretty clear.
Actually, I think that's good because Tommy is often called out for being like in the thrall of Israeli money and Zionist power and whatnot.
And there, he's advocating for what you might say is free speech principles before personalities.
If you believe in free speech, believing in free speech means, like in the comments here, like we someone's like, not everyone in the comments here is like, do you know what, Russell?
I just would like to say you're absolutely terrific.
Your reborn products, magnificent.
Whether it's the methylene blue or that pretty cool retro t shirt you're wearing, fantastic.
I've never doubted your Christianity or your sexuality.
You're a good, lovely guy.
You know, people say really mean things about me, and if I was in charge, no one would be allowed to.
But I'm not in charge, and that's reality.
And no one else should be in charge either, actually, because they're no better than you.
So why don't we all just accept that people say mean stuff?
Sometimes and do mean stuff sometimes and try to organize systems that can accommodate that rather than la You know, like Kenny Westman, he's gonna be doing stuff.
Who's this now?
Oh, and that's him, my man, before he got a proper job.
There he is, that lad, Mohammed Al Jalwani.
He's like, oh, has he got nah?
That's not him holding up human heads.
Nah, he's holding up human heads.
He's holding up that's not the same guy.
I'm not having that.
I'm not having it.
He's holding up human heads because that's like.
I mean, that's worse than.
Do you know what?
I'm concerned about the number of Jews in the banking industry and in Hollywood.
Steady on, mate.
Look, because I know lots of Jewish people that are creative and brilliant and beautiful, and I don't think it's right ever to judge anyone on the basis of their race or religion, and Judaism is both.
All right, so let's have a conversation.
Someone's like, the God of humaneness.
Now, mate, there are really very few circumstances where it's acceptable to decapitate anybody and hold their heads up.
I'm just trying to think of.
There are any time you did it.
I mean, if like the worst case scenarios, they've come in your house, they've messed with your most beloved, you've chopped their heads off.
That's the only time.
And I suppose that must be how he sees it.
That's how my old Mohammed must have seen that when he was cracking on with the beheadings.
But anyway, Keir, I mean, Keir Starmer's shaking the hands that held up the heads.
What does he get up to in his personal life?
God love him.
No, that's hypocritical.
You can't argue with that.
Let's see what the voice of Nigel Farage, a person that I've met and who I know, and is, in a sense, most likely, he's.
The key beneficiary of rising nationalism, populism, post Trump conservatism, you could call it.
Here he is.
Let's see what he's got to say.
For myself, I wouldn't buy a ticket.
I wouldn't recommend anyone buys a ticket.
I think his comments are vile.
People are so funny, aren't they, in public?
I wouldn't buy a ticket.
I wouldn't let anyone else have a ticket.
I'd like my mouth to be really wide.
If I did have a ticket, I'd put it in my little face letter box, my long, long, wide mouth like that.
He's got a very labial jowl, I'd call that.
I'd call them labial chops.
So, well, look, why is everyone pretending to be nicer than they are?
Why does everyone pretend to be nicer than they are, Dave?
Are you pretending to be nicer than you are?
I don't know, maybe.
Jake?
Are you?
This is it.
Joe?
What you see is what you get.
Yep, that's what's reassuring about Joe.
Massey's not really, he's pretending probably to be a bit meaner than he is.
Hail Satan.
Oh, praise Jesus, praise Jesus.
Refute these Babolical speech.
I actually feel in my tummy now.
I'm so Christian.
Right come, let's look at a bit more Nigel vile it's a funny way to behave.
Vile, really vile, the sort of rabbit hole.
I'd like to rotate his mouth from horizontal to vertical and I bet you could make some interesting comparisons, but maybe that's true of everyone's mouth.
The hole of Anti-semitism stroke, Nazism that he's gone down is vile.
The Danger of Free Markets00:03:07
But I think if we start banning people from No, I'm on his side.
Fair enough.
That's all right.
He's just condemning him before saying don't ban.
Cool.
He's all right.
Be Prime Minister.
People from entering the country because we don't like what they say.
I worry where that ends up.
I worry where that ends up.
I mean.
How long before people rotate my mouth from horizontal to vertical and it looks like there's no nice way of saying this a vagina mouth?
How long before that becomes the norm?
Now, it's already worrying that my.
This area here of my mouth is like.
The cowardly lion in Wizard of Oz's mouth is too big a gap between the lip and the nose.
You could drive a lorry through that thing.
I mean, if Keir Starmer was to ban people coming into Britain with whose views he doesn't like, almost nobody would be allowed in.
So I think there's a dangerous path to go.
Although that would be better for your migration policy.
So I think there's a dangerous path to go down.
I suspect, Ross, the answer to this is the free market will sort this out.
In that sponsors are withdrawing already, the festival itself is threatened, and I suspect very few people will buy tickets.
I suspect the free market will, choice will sort this out.
But I'm not.
Good old free market, we can rely on you.
What about Kenya?
Uh huh, no.
Oh, dear.
Oh, the world's funny.
That's good stuff.
There you go.
So, yeah, I, in a way, agree with Nigel Farage.
Not about the free market sorting it out.
What I think here, here's something that's probably only I would say.
There's an attempt to banalise creativity and to banish the kind of mercurial component that also frequently accompanies creative people and their endeavours and their brilliance.
Keir Starmer wants to dim out the sun, that's true, have a look.
But he also wants to dim out creativity itself.
In fact, I would say the problem with the UK and the bureaucracies of Europe, More broadly, is a dehumanizing dampening of spirit.
That's not to say that Kanye West was insensitive, maybe, to make that song N Word Isle It That.
I mean, it's pretty out there.
But what do you want from an artist?
What do you want from the Sex Pistols or from, you know, the Rolling Stones once upon a time or NWA once upon a time or Andy Warhol or Basquiat or any one of a number of Peripheral edgeland figures.
There's meant to be a kind of a challenge offered, I suppose.
The problem, I don't think the defining culture in our time is people are saying too many mean stuff in a creatively provocative way.
I think the problem is banalisation, dehumanisation, and hatred is part of dehumanisation.
So, you know, gosh, man.
But I certainly don't agree with shutting down artists for saying stuff that's a bit crazy, particularly as he's apologising anyway.
But that's just what I think.
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Were the left right in the first place that Trump's going to bring us all to Armageddon, a crazy lunatic and a narcissist?
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Nick Fuentes ain't holding back.
I'll tell you that.
This is disturbing.
It's bad enough that we are in a war in Iran without a reason, without a plan B, an exit strategy, a plan.
It's not enough that we're being lied to about it, that we're doing it for Israel.
Americans are dying, and Trump is totally flippant about that.
But it's Easter Sunday.
It's literally the holiest day of the year, and this is what you post.
Not happy Easter.
Not Christ is risen.
Nothing.
You threaten to bomb Iran, which is bad enough by itself, but then it's the profanity.
Open up the fucking straight, you crazy bastards.
Tomorrow we're bombing all your infrastructure.
And then mocking God.
And then praise be to Allah.
And then mocking God in the middle of it as well.
And this is when you realize Trump is evil.
He's not a bad president.
He's not surrounded by bad advisors or bad personnel or people that are disloyal or not giving him good advice.
I've been trying to say this for years.
It's him.
Wow, that's pretty significant, I'll say.
Nick Fuentes has a broad constituency.
Young people of that tribe adore him.
He's an eloquent communicator and he's been ardent in his support of Trump.
He went Jan 6.
He wore the hat, as he says.
To see him turn is an indication that the broad base of popular support is waning.
But even a significant contributor like Fuentes is nothing compared to Tucker Carlson, who probably epitomizes more than anyone what you might call.
Contemporary traditional American values.
He may, I suppose, epitomize them more than Trump.
And if that process continues, you could see a Tucker Carlson for president campaign emerging.
I know people have been talking about it for a little while.
And if the office of president becomes one of communication and representation in a sort of a broad and general sense, then you're going to end up with more and more people whose primary competence is communication and an ability to lead.
Publicly rising to positions of prominence.
And in a way, that's preferable to these tedious bureaucrats that have taken the reins in countries like the UK or peculiar compromised models, as in France, I'm talking about Macron.
But really, I think all of us know what's required is radical systemic change that prevents the external influences controlling national politics.
And the best way to do that would be minimal centralization.
I've said it before, and I think it might be the only thing I say for a little while.
Nevertheless, here, Tucker Carlson.
Is infuriated by Trump, and I see this as pretty pivotal.
The fact that it's happening for me means that Trump is operating on another plane now.
You could look at it very sort of practically, like, well, it's his final term, he's leaving office.
You could look at it from the perspective of, in truth, global politics is engineered and organized beyond the executive office and is controlled as many people, most people maybe believe these days, not by figures that are observable in public, but by powerful forces that remain submerged.
Here, nevertheless, is the most popular and influential political commentator in America condemning Trump pretty vehemently.
Who do you think you are?
You're tweeting out the F word on Easter morning, you'll be living in hell.
Just watch.
Praise be to Allah.
So, obviously, you're mocking the religion of Iran.
Okay.
If you see.
One thing I'd say is Tucker has made the choice to address Trump directly.
That's always an editorial choice when people do that rather than talking about Trump in a more general way.
When you make the choice to address the person you are critiquing directly, that's.
Obviously combative and directly oppositional.
Literally.
You seek a religious war.
That's a good idea.
But by the way, no decent person mocks other people's religions.
You may have a problem with the theology.
Presumably you do if it's not your religion and you can explain what that is.
But to mock other people's faith is to mock the idea of faith itself.
And we should never mock that because at its core is the acknowledgement that we are not in charge of the universe.
We did not build it.
We won't be here at the end of it.
We can destroy life.
We cannot create it because we are not God.
The message of all faith at the biggest picture level is the message in our Bible, which is you are not God.
And only if you think you are, do you talk this way.
But it's not just mockery of Islam and no president should mock Islam.
That's not your job.
This is not a theocracy.
We don't go to war with other theocracies to find out which theocracy is more effective.
We are not a theocracy and God willing, we never will be because theocracies corrupt the religion.
No, this is a mockery, not just of Islam.
It's a mockery of Christianity.
To send out a tweet with the F word on Easter morning promising the murder of civilians and then saying praise be to Allah without explaining any of it, you are mocking me and every other Christian because we're Christians.
We can't support that.
That is evil.
That is an intentional desecration of beauty and truth, which is the definition of evil.
Tucker Carlson's Christianity has come to the forefront, as it always must with true Christians, of his identity.
And I feel that that.
May come to be a pivotal moment in how Trump's presidency is regarded.
What I think is challenging is that people that hated Trump, and Lord alone knows there was enough of them in the run up to his most recent election, will be saying, See, we told you.
And it's that aspect of this that fascinates me the most because Trump still remains the person he has always been this extraordinary raconteur, buccaneer.
Egotistical and potent individual.
It's surprising for me.
It's surprising for me because.
What am I trying to say here?
I suppose the version of a belligerent and despotic Trump is always going to be more egregious than a belligerent and despotic Kamala Harris because her attributes did not lean that way.
But I still regard it as a superficial.
I don't think presidential power is the real power.
And that's what's surprising and shocking me.
I admire Tucker Carlson's authenticity, integrity, and willingness to publicly be so confrontational.
I really do admire him.
I think it's absolutely laudable.
But does it come from a place of genuine surprise?
Because.
My only surprise, the only thing that surprises me is that someone so vivid, lurid, whether you like him or not, as Trump is, it seems to me, carrying out a course of military action that would have happened regardless of who was president.
And that's more terrifying than Trump's vulgarity.
Whilst it's very difficult to disagree with Tucker Carlson's condemnation from the position of a Christian or a person that respects and loves human life.
And I'm very grateful that he's taken that stance and that position.
It's not a position I can take as an Englishman.
It's a position that I can recognize as a Christian.
What I primarily see there is wow, even Trump is just another person that's passing through a very potent system.
Who is in control of that system?
What a terrifying thing to contemplate.
If you're a Christian, you'll have some idea of what the source of this negative power likely is.
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
Trump, however, remains extremely confident, not least in his abilities to learn different languages and run other countries.
Check this.
And just so you understand, the people of Venezuela, they say if I ran for president of Venezuela, I'm polling higher than anybody has ever polled in Venezuela.
So after I'm finished with this, I can go to Venezuela.
I will quickly learn Spanish.
It won't take too long.
I'm good at language.
And I will go to Venezuela.
I'm going to run for president.
But we're very happy with the president elect that we have right now, the people that are running it.
If you remember Bush, it's interesting.
I think he, I don't know where he comes from.
Like, it's a very funny way to behave.
It's a very funny way to behave, isn't it?
Like, he's just being the president the way that he would be a president.
Who else has ever said stuff like that?
That's that.
What I do think you can't question about him is his authenticity.
What an extraordinary, unusual guy.
Do you think that tweet was some?
I don't know of anyone that has taken as much criticism and backlash and having to fight.
You think some of that was even him getting to a place that he's just so.
Tired a little bit and sending out that tweet.
I don't know, man.
I don't know what level he's operating on.
It's impossible to imagine, just even as a person that deals with a bit of public criticism and fear.
I mean, I think he's like another type of guy.
He's always done that, you know, like he puts out crazy stuff, see what happens, and then makes a move.
I mean, that's sort of his playbook, but it is crazy to talk like that.
I think he says things as they're in his head and he just lets it play out.
Same thing he did about the lady with the pretty voice, the Mexican.
So he's just saying it.
And letting it roll.
And then he tries to work it back by saying, I should be president of Venezuela.
But their leaders are also very good currently and the people are happy.
He just follows that.
He said a really funny thing one time, right?
Where he said, I was looking out a plane window.
I never sleep on planes, right?
So he's just making a mundane personal observation.
I never sleep on planes.
I look out the window.
I feel like, what kind of person says that, right?
It's so minor.
And then he goes, just looking for missiles, actually.
Like, then he's sort of like, because I could be shot out of the sky.
And what I've sort of seen him is someone who just trusts their own process, as you're saying, to such a degree that it will sort of say anything.
She's got a lovely voice, beautiful voice about the president of Mexico.
And then sometimes it might be that he's saying that.
And you're right.
Like, people, I suppose, I'm trying to keep a half a mind on the New York Times and the BBC and the sort of vocal liberals that are like, Trump is evil.
We hate him.
Orange man, bad community.
And how are they responding now?
They must be like, we told you, we told you, we told you.
But, like, that's why I want to sort of keep.
Returning to if Kamala Harris was president now, are you saying that this wouldn't be happening?
Bollocks, it would be, it'd just be a bit more boring.
It's a good way to see exactly where people are, though.
So, like, if you had any doubt, you say something that makes some people choose.
Oh, so your allies rise to the top.
The ones who are on the fence fall away.
Your enemies get louder, and it's like very clear.
You don't have to worry anymore.
You know exactly where everybody is.
What are they all doing?
I mean, what's going to happen in 2028?
I mean, it's interesting.
I don't know, man.
I don't understand it anymore.
All I understand is that we shouldn't, human beings are so fallible.
Don't put them in charge.
Well, that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
We can't make this content without two of our partners.
Here's a message from one now.
Should we do like, I'm just looking at the stuff we've got in front of us.
We've done a couple of things.
Right.
What do you think we should do?
Would you like this?
A few things.
Sun dimming experiments.
Should we do that?
Randall Carlson, governor of Massachusetts, Gavin Newsom's wife.
British government are paying money for Pakistani grooming gangs.
Might do that.
That sounds interesting.
Humanoid robot breastfeeds baby.
I mean, just listen.
Hello, welcome back.
I mean, what do you want to listen to?
Let me know in the comments and chat.
British government are paying money to Pakistani grooming gang rapists for legal fees.
Do you want that story?
Humanoid robot breastfeeds baby.
Randall Carlson argues Earth is shaped by cosmic forces, not just internal systems.
I mean, I rather like that.
That sounds, after all these breastfeeding robots and rape gangs, it's actually quite comforting to hear, in a way.
So, all right, let's just do the ones that are most.
Gavin Newsom's wife casually admits that she would censor free speech if she was in charge.
Maybe we'll start with a little bit of.
Have any of you got strong feelings?
Massey, Joe, what are you thinking as you sit there?
It's easy, mate.
You're a speeding robot, mate.
You don't care.
You're a speeding robot.
Let's have a look at it, you sick pervert.
I mean, look, that's not right.
That's not right.
And also, that's perv technology.
It's perv technology.
It's all going to get perv, isn't it?
Now, suck my robo titties, click my robo button.
Like, the whole thing's out of control.
I don't think that's very good.
I started to realize, say, like, DARPA, DARPA developed, so, like, you know, they were involved in the Wuhan, people allege, the Wuhan gain of function research experiments that led to the outbreak of COVID.
Of one line of thought.
Some people think there never even was a COVID.
I mean, there's so many ways of looking at it, but they certainly developed a lot of satellite technology, a lot of interfaces and things that we use came first out of DARPA.
And I suppose the reason I'm talking about it is because of the idea that there's this masked technology that we don't have access to that's way advanced.
And it's just common sense, really, that the government and elite institutions would have access to technology that's not commercially available.
And I think, like, if what we're looking at is a titty robot feeding a human baby, what The hell's going on on whatever the current equivalent of Epstein Island is because all the perversion ain't gone anywhere.
They're still out there, they're still perverts.
You know, Jeffrey may be dead, but the perverts are still running the world, presumably having sex with peculiar robo breastfeeding creatures.
Terrifying to contemplate, really.
But, you know, in a heartening pivot, rape gangs in the UK are being funded by your taxes.
GB News can exclusively reveal that at least 150.
£50,000 of taxpayers' money was spent on the legal aid costs of two cousins who groomed and sexually abused five vulnerable girls.
Manzor Hussein and Imtiaz Ali, who were in Greater Manchester at the time of their attacks, were sentenced to a total of 58 years in prison in December last year.
They were convicted of rape and indecent assault.
Taxpayers Fund UK Rape Gangs00:02:09
Ali, who hosted sick sex parties and allowed other men to prey on the young girls, Had 71,111 quid's worth of.
It's funny the news in the UK, it's gone like that now.
Yeah, obviously that's pretty appalling because, as usual, it centres around the abuse and horror and violence that these kind of crimes are always locust around.
But I suppose if you've got a justice system and the justice system is publicly funded and you agree that criminals have the right to a defence, that's actually just a matter of course.
They would have defense fees.
I suppose it's an awful lot of money, isn't it?
Gosh, what a terrifying, disgusting, terrifying world.
It makes me want to.
We've got to crack on.
I think we've got to crack on because I need some recovery.
After the robo titties and publicly funded rape gangs, I need to focus on recovery.
And that's why we have Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell with music provided by the ever lovable Jake Smith.
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Welcome to Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell, where we talk about recovery from alcohol and drugs and also how these principles can be applied to freeing you from a world that seems to want to get you ultimately hooked to robot knockers in one way or another.
Recovery Path for Men and Women00:09:26
Joe, how's your recovery going this week, mate?
It's been tested.
Well, it's not been tested.
I've had a real busy kind of week, mate.
I've been doing HGV driving, driving big articulated lorries, like learning how to drive them, right?
So it's been challenging.
I don't get on too well with the guy who's teaching me.
He's hard work.
That's the truth.
I did two days of driving about a month back, and the first guy I had was well calm, and he was like a good teacher, a good communicator.
And it went really well.
I thought, this is easy.
I can do this already.
And I was learning to reverse and whatnot.
The next day, I had this different guy, and he was like intense.
He speaks fast and quick and loud when you're moving.
And it's like, fucking hell, mate, chill out.
I've got all that going on up here.
I need you to be calm out there, and then this will work.
But if you're loud out here and intense, plus what's going on up here, we're fucked.
So you're driving a big articulated lorry in our language, truck in American, articulated to like a juggernaut.
You'll learn how to drive it.
And the fellow that's teaching you, what's he a bit jittery?
How does he talk to you, Joe, that's troubling you?
He fucking freaks out, mate.
Nice.
He panics.
Like he panics bad.
Like, and you don't have them in the States, right?
Roundabouts.
We've got roundabouts in the UK.
So it's like a round junction where you have to drive around it.
You can exit to turn left.
You can go straight on.
Or round the roundabout.
All right.
So, bearing in mind, I'm driving a big articulated lorry with a huge trailer on it.
When you come too close to a corner, you're likely to hit the roundabout.
So, you have to take it really far out and then come in.
Now, a car was coming in and came too far into its entrance to the roundabout.
So I couldn't go as far out as I needed to.
If I did, I'd have ripped the front of the car off, right?
So I've had to come in a little bit.
He's going to move.
I'm like, what the fuck do you want me to do?
So I've gone over a bit of curb and hit a sign.
He wouldn't have stopped going on about it.
Oh, you've hit the sign.
Whoa, you've hit the sign.
I was like, what?
I'm all right with it.
Was it a tip?
You've not understood the principle of a day.
Like, you being all right with it is not the standard of any road safety test.
I'm not freaking out.
You can't say I'm all right with it.
You've got, like, easy, well within his rights to point out that you've hit a sign.
Now, like, what was this sign?
And what is this sign?
Right, he wouldn't leave it alone.
It was selling advertisement space.
It was a sign about that big, saying this sign could be your advertising space.
Like, fucking no one cares.
Do you know what I mean?
Not anymore.
That's flattened it.
He took that out of the game.
What I'm getting at is, we've gone past it.
It's like, yeah, of course, you hit that.
Yep, you hit that sign.
I was like, I know, you keep saying, you keep saying I hit it.
And I was there when it happened.
I was involved in the whole thing.
If anyone knows about hitting the sign, it's you, the mastermind behind that operation.
Drove it straight into it.
Yeah, he's annoying that guy.
What I like, Joe, is you are rejecting the fundamental dynamic of like you're in a test.
And it's easily done, really, isn't it?
Like, because really, a test situation, you're being scrutinized and observed.
You've rejected that shallow, superficial social arrangement like Joe's in charge.
Didn't you, the time that he was doing testing you before, like you sort of had to have a word with him?
I just had to say, listen, he's fucking stressing me out.
I threw a little fucking, you know what I mean?
And then he was cool.
He was all right after that.
On this occasion, though, after this one, it's settled a little bit.
Then we're on to the next roundabout.
He goes, oh no, third exit, turn right.
I was like, oh, cool.
And on approaching it, there's no trust with the way he communicates and that because he said some shit that he didn't mean to a few times.
So I reaffirmed, I said, third exit, turn him right.
Yep, third exit, turn him right.
We're going round the roundabout.
Bang, I put on the indicator to come out to the third exit and turn around.
He goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing?
I was like, Bro, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Like, what?
What?
What?
And just stopped dead on the roundabout.
I said, Force exit, we're coming back this way.
I was like, You didn't.
You said, Turn right.
I said, You need to calm, mate.
You need to be calm with me, you know?
You're actually giving him a lesson in how to be a.
I'll come to that.
Is this a test?
Is this a test?
Or is it a lesson?
This is preparing for the test.
I got the test on Friday.
And then we've carried on from there, and he said, Oh, there's Joe's roundabout referring to the roundabout or after the sign and that.
I said, Listen, I said, You know, I can't drive articulated lorries, and I'm learning to.
So, this is the process of learning.
If I knew how to do it, I wouldn't be here.
I'd already have the license, but I can't.
So, I need you to teach me, right?
Part of that process means I'm going to make mistakes.
I'd prefer that didn't happen and that I could flawlessly drive this lorry.
Do you understand?
He's like, well, yeah, I mean, yeah, all right then.
Oh, well, this is your job.
Chill.
Come on.
I'm on Joe's side.
What I like about Joe, like, in a way, it's very kingdom.
It's very kingdom.
Like, Joe's rejecting the patterns of this world.
Like, the pattern of the world is you're in a driving lesson.
Joe's like, well, actually, you're actually reiterating the explicit function because your man there has gone into a bit of a state of panic.
I was today considering something that's Really sort of obvious, like in fact, it came up in the last show when you're a drug addict, all you think about is drugs and alcohol.
And when you're consumed by addiction, probably of any kind, there's an obsessive component in addition to the compulsive component.
And our relationship with God has to become obsessive is not the right word, but I think of like, say, like a destitute and crazy person, like most of us in addiction.
Like, I think sometimes about what St. Paul's life must have been like.
He's in jail, he's chained up, he's having to like live in impoverished conditions.
If you're gonna be a person of God, you're You're going to find yourself, if you're serious about it, at odds with the world.
And if you've nested your religiosity into the world, your real religion is the world.
True faith is going to bring you to odds with the system because it's an irreligious system, generally speaking.
So, what I like about Joe is the way, among other things, is the way that he's willing to put his own principles ahead of the situation.
What do you think about it, Dave?
I think constantly.
I think you're going to be at odds.
A lot.
I mean, you're just going to be taught.
I mean, if you're serious about growing in your relationship with God, like you're going to get taught a lot.
I think, is it, it wasn't, it was it really about, is it, was it the tone and the sporastic and the, it's like, I think we live with such high anxiety sometimes, you know, that it's like, I can't handle, I get that way with my kids too.
It's like when I'm high, highly anxious at times when, which a lot of the time, like my kids are the ones that can just bring it out so quickly.
It's already there in me.
But like when they're, ah, or like, and you're like, Geez, just tell it to me calmly.
In high stress situations, you need to speak to people slow and calmly, right?
And when you're in the middle of a maneuver, especially to go, quickly, that ball to the right, that ball to the left.
What the fuck are you doing?
You saw this roundabout.
You're an instructor.
It's your job.
You know, you're teaching me to drive over that thing that's about 30 yards in front of us.
Prep me.
Maneuver in this lane.
When you go in, I want you to be like that.
Brilliant.
That's it.
Easy.
You go, cool.
We know what's coming.
You're acting like you're fucking surprised that I'm turning too late or too late.
Like, tell me, man.
Tell me, and I'll do it.
But it's in the heat of the moment.
Like, I'm going to give that back.
Well, what the fuck?
This lorry's dangerous.
What if we run someone over?
Ah, I used to.
Russell, I swear to you, I was saying to Massey before we started the show, like, he goes, straddle these two lanes when we come up to this junction.
I'm like, cool, straddling the lanes.
He's like, what's this car doing?
I bet they're just going to go around us.
They're going to fucking go.
Watch out for them.
Watch out.
What can I do even if they do?
I'm in a bit of a trouble.
We've got to start filming him.
We've got to start filming him.
We need to put a GoPro in that car.
What do you reckon his previous profession was?
Me and Joe were talking about it.
Based on how this guy teaches, what do you think he did before this?
Oh, do we know the answer to it?
Yeah.
All right.
Based on how he teaches, well, maybe school.
Oh, God.
Driver in the army.
He was in the army.
Driver.
I was saying teacher as well.
That's amazing.
That's incredible.
He was in the army.
Oh, bloody hell.
You can't trust these Iraqis.
Look at them, the bastards.
This was.
So today was four and a half hours of driving, right?
So on the way there, I'm chilled, mate.
I've got Gregory enchanting on in the car, prayed a rotary in there.
Maturity Reveals God's Truth00:15:37
I'm feeling so peaceful.
And I know I'm doing a reversing test.
I've got half an hour in the lorry practicing, and then it's straight into the reversing test, and then uncoupling and coupling to the trailer and all that.
But the reversing test is pretty hard.
You've got to go around the cone, and these things are massive, mate.
They're massive.
Do you know what I mean?
But it went really well.
So it's like, That's quite a heightened state, like the adrenaline, you know what I mean?
And there was, I got a little bit annoyed because there was another instructor turned up with a pupil and they're like getting out of the lorry and watching.
I said to him, Do they have to be there?
Why are they here?
Why are they here?
What are they doing?
Are they waiting for us?
It's like, well, yeah, that's you.
Some of this is him.
Some of this is me.
You remember Jamie Winship was talking about how fear will stack someone else's fear, your fear, and it'll heighten each other.
Yeah, Jamie Winship is the kind of living fearless we're all bang into.
And Joe had a chat the other day.
Jamie Winship is a brilliant writer who teaches Christian principles in a way that I think is real excellent because I'm trying to find the right way of saying it.
Everyone says that being a Christian is about having a personal relationship with Christ.
But then, when you meet and talk to people, everyone gets a little bit denominational and packs their relationship with Christ with their particular denomination or sometimes their own morality.
I'm not saying just denomination in terms of Protestantism, Catholicism, orthodoxy, or whatever.
I'm saying, like, you know, some people will be focused on ethics, some people will be focused on mystery.
What Jamie is focused on in his brilliant book, Living Fearless, is how Christ will change you, like, how meeting Christ will bring out the truth of who you are.
Like that, you've got a false identity built out of the world and trauma, to use a sort of a therapeutic word, and that is masking who you really are.
And if you're in that false identity, you're going to make a lot of mistakes.
It really resonated with me.
Like, oh my God, I'm in my shame, I'm in my fear.
It started to change me straight away.
I've started, I'm actually now observing it happening.
Like, I've been in Christ for ages, and this morning, you know, when I say ages, I'm talking about like I've got up at, say, seven, and we've gotten to like 11.
I was like, wonder what's going to be the thing.
That stops me being like this.
Like everyone I'm interacting with, whether it's being appropriate in my interactions with males and females at yoga or whatever people I work with, then when it's my wife, when my wife, like, we're like, it's like we're talking about money and like stuff with you and your family, Dave.
Like, my wife's like, I don't think we should do this and I don't think we should do that.
And like, I see myself let go of God.
I see myself let go of the hand of Christ and sort of go, Into fear.
I watch it happen.
I watch it happen.
Now, Jamie, he teaches a technique called Tyrannosaurus Rex mouse.
Like, as soon as someone else goes Tyrannosaurus Rex, you go mouse.
Because if you go Tyrannosaurus Rex, then you're into a conflict dynamic.
And I think you, Joe, when you're not personally affected, like when you've described situations, Joe's don't mind getting involved in a hot and combative situation and chilling it out.
Chilling it out, even if that involves physicality and confrontation.
But perhaps when you're like all of us, when your own buttons are pressed, it's harder.
I mean, I think actually the real test for you in these driving situations is can I remain with Christ while I'm driving this lorry and while I'm dealing with this guy?
Or am I going to let go of Christ and go into old techniques?
I mean, they're all old techniques manipulation, charm.
Like, would be more like the sort of things I would do, but also intensity.
Like, I use intensity if I start to feel threatened, like I sort of feel it going up, you know.
I'd start reacting.
Like, it'd be hard to, instead of responding, like, I'll find myself, oh, I'm going to react.
And you probably, honestly, Joe, you probably, if you look back at it, you probably restrained yourself a lot in it too.
You're like, like, like, I let a little bit out, but like, not even close to all of it.
Like, I could have just, you know.
There were little times where I was like, Look, let's just, it's all right.
I said, It's all right.
I said, Surely stuff like this is priced in, no part of the learning process.
He goes, Well, no, no, it isn't.
I wonder what he's like with other people.
I would like to see it.
I would like to see someone else have a lesson for him.
Like, you know, when you meet other people's parents or whatever, and they go, My parents are fucking bastards.
And then you meet them, they go, I like them.
Yeah.
Like, it's always like that, isn't it?
Like, I bet if I met, you know, sort of like anyone.
Parents, like it's all like you know, but like enough, I hear like the way people talk about oh, my dad does this, my mum does that, and then you meet them and they're like, I think they're nice.
I actually go out of my way to make them much nicer, but I don't like it if people go like my parents, like my parents, fantastic, you know, it is.
Um, anyway, so okay, all right, so let's think about this like from a recovery perspective, what uh Joe's describing there, Dave, is a resentment, and I do think that more and more this really aligns with the stuff we've learned from Jamie this week.
That the process of inventorying is about moving from your fake identity to your true identity.
Particularly, that becomes relevant in the fears in the fourth column, in the 12 steps tradition.
In the fourth column of inventory, you would say the lorry driver for making me nervous or talking too quickly or offering unclear.
What would be, you know, like some of the people we work with, Tim M, I'm thinking of, in the second column would make you, what is your resentment against that?
What's the charge in the second column against your thing, Joe?
Talk us through that resentment.
Speaking loud and intensely mid maneuver.
Speaking loud and intense.
You're going to let that pass, Dave?
Is that good resentment?
Mid maneuver.
Speaking loud and intensely mid maneuver.
I'm trying to put myself in the air.
He panics.
The guy's panicked.
I'm taking the role of, like, look, let's be calm.
Let's take it easy.
Let me know what I'm doing, if I need to prepare for a juncture.
Like, I'm taking that role and I'm not the teacher.
I'm the one saying.
I'm the kingdom.
But listen, though, like, who's your identity in Christ or the world?
Who's your identity in?
You should be doing this.
You should be doing that.
If our Lord has chosen you to be an anchoring and protective presence in the kingdom, when you're confronted with a nervous person, like, you've got to be like, I wonder if you could get to the point of doing it nicely.
I sometimes just struggle to lose the sarcasm type thing.
Like, I wonder if you could get to the point where it's like, Even though I'm doing the driving test, I'm so in Christ, I'm going to be loving to this guy.
We're saying, Jacob, this is the test, though, right?
Let Jake do his and then you round us out, Jojo.
I was just going to say at a certain point, as you continue to grow maturity and God reveals things to you, most of your interaction with people are going to have to be you seeing it better than they're seeing it.
Oh, wow.
That's all the time.
Always.
Most of my interaction, even if I go into a room that's like, these are all professionals, I feel like I'm watching them interact and I'm not getting engaged with, even if they're saying, this is my role or whatever.
I feel like as maturity continues to happen and you're.
That's going to happen everywhere.
Otherwise, also, from a, that's a great Christian view from Jake showing off.
But like, here's like from Dave over there, it's like from, and it's like expectation territory.
I was going to say, I have an expectation that this guy's the teacher, that he's going to be calm and mature.
And I do think, though, whenever you start on inventory work, it says putting the other person outside of our mind entirely.
Right.
And so it's like you being able to go into like, The real thing is, it's not about him.
And that's the hardest part about any inventory stuff is thinking, okay, that's not, I cannot be thinking it's because of what he did.
He did this, he did that.
And thinking, hey, no, this is, and if my mind is on, okay, God's ingraining in me this pause when agitated or doubtful, he's granting to me these principles in this that the test is not just a Lori test.
Laurie, that's really racist.
That it's not about this guy at all.
This is, and I think it's, dude, I know for me, it's stuff inside me that just, it's already there and it's just coming out.
Yes.
And I think it's fear for me.
It's fear.
I'd be fearful driving a truck that I've never driven before and going about roundabouts.
It's fear, I think, and obviously expectations as well, right?
And it, These resentments are always so hard to get past because it's a reasonable expectation to expect a driving instructor that's not a nervous passenger, that's calm and a good communicator, clear, concise language, and a calm demeanor.
And I got none of that.
Even like.
Third exit, turn right.
He meant fourth exit, come back on yourself.
Like, it was just.
I'm recording these now because I've been talking about you and, like, you're a fucking lunatic and we're recording it.
So, as we can properly and correctly observe what's going on in the studio and in everyone's podcast.
I just had to do it.
I actually need a wee quite badly and I've been holding it off for a while and the fart's just a pressure valve.
Like, see what I'm just thinking.
Like, I like.
Combining what Jake and Dave are saying there, Joe, and like the stuff that I know you know anyway, really, mate, is like that we've got to get to the point where we live by faith and not by sight.
Yeah.
Like how this applies in my situation is I've obviously got to get to the point where I let go of outcomes, even in quite pivotal dramas in my life.
So, like, getting to the point where it's like, say, Jake, like it's, and I was really, I was trying to do it this morning.
It's like I knew I was in Christ, I was in my identity in Him.
I didn't, I weren't trying to, like, I was being basically kind.
I didn't want, like, you know, I mean, kind as in my eminence.
It's not like the actions, but what I'm essentially behaving like is I don't want anything from anybody.
It's not like, but now, like, what we would add to that is you want to be in conditions and situations where you can help people.
When you know yourself, your identity, and your gift, you will move into situations where you can be of maximum use to others.
You won't be trying to just get stuff from the world all the time.
I need this.
Now, even addicts, that becomes extreme.
You're in crack houses, you're looking at porn, you're doing things that are about feeding the disease, that active, What Eckhart Tolle would call the pain body in you, this thing that's waiting to get lit up, what Jamie would call the false identity.
It's waiting in there just for a situation.
And it's like, how much tide can you take?
How much pressure?
Because that's when you get into some Isaiah territory and the potter, it's like he's showing you the furnace.
And I love it when it gets to the end of Isaiah when he's going, you think, like before he says that famous, no weapon forged against you shall prosper, he's saying, I made the blacksmith, I made fire.
Do you think any weapon against you can be like, I made all of this?
So, when you're in a like, you know, if we can, can we get to a state where we're like, where we're in the furnace, where we're in the true, like the real Nebuchadnezzar fires and be like, I'm staying with you, God.
I'm staying with you, God.
I'm staying with you, God.
And like, at what point do you just go, fuck it now?
I'm going in myself.
I'm going to go into myself now.
I've found that he's in the actual real fires.
He's there.
The false fires are just revelations of where you are.
I mean, like today, it's lucky that I'm getting more conscious or maturing or however you want to put it, because I was asking myself, what's it going to be?
I know enough to know I'm going to come out of this state where I'm just being polite to people.
I don't need anything.
I'm cool.
I'm in it.
What's going to bring me out?
And then.
I didn't notice as I started to do it, like it's like I switched off, but in it, I'm like, you're doing it now.
Now, you're doing it with Laura.
You're getting irritated by her not doing something you've asked her to do and all these kind of things.
It's cool, you can see it in real time.
It might have been days before, weeks or months, you could see it in real time and make the correction.
Another observation I might make, even though it's pretty personal, is I think Laura was in it.
As in, I think Laura was transmitting on that level.
So that might be part of what Joe's experiencing with his instructor, is the instructor Is in fear.
He's in a fearful identity.
Like, I'm not, like, you know, like, but you're what I reckon our job is as followers of Christ is for you to be able to get to a place.
This is why we need the 12 steps as well to clear the path, huh?
Is to get to a point where you'd be able to go, like, without it being sarcastic or hostile or mean.
Are you all right, mate?
Like, are you all right?
And you actually mean it.
Yeah, I think of that.
I think if we look at him as a sick person, like us, like us as a sick person, not in, like, hey, I'm judging him.
But they're sick like us.
And think of, I mean, this guy was a driver in the army, like what his life has been like up to this point.
You know, I don't know if he's had any recovery or even knows himself well enough to even know how much fear he's in, you know.
And then it's like, ah, okay, now I can have some.
He might be a traumatized veteran.
He might, for all we know, like I was driving a glory like this.
My friend died.
I had to, the only way I can make a living now is saying that's related to driving because I got all these skills in the army.
And then you yell at him.
You are a very unkind.
Maybe.
No, what do you mean, maybe?
Like, that's not your true identity.
Maybe this is.
I'm thinking in my head now what he'd make of this.
Watching this.
What the fuck are these we're talking about?
Yeah, no.
We always drive carts of vegetables or something.
We don't need that in the army.
I'm going to put these avocados.
Look, what about Jojo?
Like, do an impression of him.
So I can feel what he's like.
I can't be unkind.
I can't.
I can't.
That's a shame.
All right, do it.
And if he's unkind, he's a species of camera.
Can you cut it?
Can you cut this?
Well, if he's unkind, he coughs.
He coughs.
He's traumatized.
He's got a cough like that.
Yeah, that might be.
Cut that up.
An up cough.
That up cough.
That's not.
That's a person who's.
That's Falklands.
That's Goose Green.
He's been on Goose Green with Ross.
Kemp, he's a veteran.
He's been, he's probably on the Belgrano with Simon Weston.
I don't think they let him near the front line.
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This fella, right?
He went front line.
He's too jittery.
He's too jittery, man.
He is now, yeah.
Right, okay.
They kept him well away from it.
He's gagging down, he's gagging down bird food, driving freight containers full of birds around the barracks.
Can't be unkind.
Oh, man.
All right.
Well, look, I don't know where the ins and outs are.
So, Joe, it sounds like you've come a long way, baby.
You're doing really well.
But I would like, my hope is, is it actually the test on Friday?
It won't be him anyway, will it?
Does he do the test?
He doesn't do the test.
It's a DVLA fella.
And I've got someone else with me tomorrow for a four hour block of driving.
Different instructor.
So, you'll see.
If you have problems with that one, it's you.
Yeah, apparently he's all right.
But it was this geezer that told me that.
So, I like him.
He's very honest.
He won't take no nonsense.
He's erratic.
He's edgy.
I wonder if what he thinks he thinks.
I'd like to know what he thinks he's doing.
And I'd like to hear this guy.
I want to hear the instructor's podcast with his mates.
He'll be like, I've got this man coming in a truck.
He's intimidating me.
He stuck his chest out.
He elbowed me.
He's driving straight over roundabouts.
A lovely sign that could have been used for advertising.
He ploughed straight over that.
It was like, have you seen that film Speed with Sandra Bullocks and Keanu Reeves?
Oh, it's not like he was Keanu Reeves.
He'd go like, well, we better go back.
Yep, here we go.
Back to the scene of the crime.
And then later on, when we drove past him, here it is, Joe's roundabout.
I was like, what's he going on about?
He was just like, I can't even bother you that much.
I've seen you.
I saw you that one.
I saw him.
Yeah, I'm going for a win.
But if I was resentful at him at that moment, I would.
That would piss me off too.
I would have been like, Oh, it's annoying me, mate.
If he gives you a sign when you graduate and he just brings you a sign, that would be amazing.
Please, please, can we get a GoPro in the next one?
Just put a GoPro up there so we could have some footage of it.
I'm not even exaggerating him.
He's mental, mate.
He's mental, man.
I've not seen you that pissed off before, Joe, when you were telling me about it earlier.
You're fuming, mate.
I've had enough, man.
I've well had enough.
Like, At the start of the lesson, after doing the reversing test, I was saying to him, I bet this is a nice job, man.
Like, you're up high, great views of the roads and nice trees and the countryside and that.
I said, I bet it's great having a nice podcast on, some nice music, good little number.
This.
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About an hour later, I was just thinking, oh, fuck this guy, mate.
I was just getting so angry and just wanted to get out.
Something that was pretty enjoyable, you know?
Yeah.
I think back to the expectations thing.
I think maybe that's part of my thing is like my expectations for people are so low that I'd rather be shocked that they're better than I thought they were because, you know, and I think, and I don't feel like I'm cynical.
I do want the best in people.
Like I am hopeful that I can meet someone that can add value or be what they say they are.
I mean, I am hopeful.
I don't think I'm cynical, but I think my expectations are so low that, Even if somebody said they were great, I wouldn't believe it, you know?
No.
I think, like, what got me this guy, yeah, was like, you know, if you make a mistake, right, and you acknowledge that shit, obviously, I did not mean to hit a sign.
I also didn't want to smash into a car.
And the lesser of the two was, bump the curb, you might tip a song.
But he was like, oh, you hit it.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah, you definitely hit it.
Fuck you.
You fucking went right over that.
Fuck, she went right over.
It's like, mate, like, I know I made him spat.
What are you trying to get out of me here?
Yeah.
What do you want?
More shame.
Yes.
Bingo.
Are we really going to get off on it?
Bingo.
Do we move forward?
Yeah, I get the same thing when someone keeps repeating something that's like, okay, yeah, I shouldn't have hit it or I shouldn't have done that or yeah, I got it.
I hear you.
But then they keep repeating it.
And I'm like, I heard you the first time.
You know, I start to get upset where it's like, hey, you don't need to keep repeating it.
I think that's because it's like, I mean, dude, shame to the nth degree, right?
Like, I have so much shame already.
And then it's just shaming, just bringing up that shame.
I shouldn't even say shaming me, it's like bringing up the shame that I already have.
Yeah, but Davey's right too that we have to, as the program says, put aside the other person entirely because I think what we do is we use our ability to discern and analyze without acknowledging our tendency to potentially, in this situation, intimidate.
And the idea that there's a, An objective version of that man that doesn't alter depending on who he's interacting with and what situation he's in is implausible.
So, definitely, we know, as the program suggests, that we are contributing.
Like when it says in 12 and 12, if whenever we're disturbed, we know that we are contributing also.
So, we focus on what we can do.
What people don't, I think, declare enough about that mindset is that you're taking kind of your power back.
You're saying that I'm not a victim to the world.
A participant and the part of your identity that's being enforced when you blame other people through blame in general is I'm not powerful enough to control my own life.
Now, of course, because fundamental to the 12 steps is powerlessness, that's why I suppose, first of all, we have to acknowledge God, we work for God.
That's my, you know, we're in it, we work as it says in step three, we're on an entirely different basis now.
He's the principal, I'm the agent, he's the manager, I'm the worker, he's the creator, I'm the creature.
Like, once we sort of like, if we're coming from that place, but you know, but as it says, it also in our program, we're children of God and we bow before no one.
When you're in that position, when you're in that identity, that mindset, when you have that perspective, I reckon that you can face the world freely.
And I suppose when something like this happens, it doesn't indicate to you, oh, look, this is a threshold that I've not yet passed when it comes to maintaining my conscious contact.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's a spiritual growth.
It's an opportunity for it.
And I don't view it like that at the moment, for sure.
But like, I can look back on it and go, okay, I see that.
Now I can grow from it.
But I wonder, I wonder like what that would look like.
What would it look like if you were in like, it had no power?
It brought up nothing in you.
There was, it didn't shame like him coming back.
I think of like him going, there it is, the scene of the crime.
Yeah.
It's funny.
It would become really funny.
Imagine if I was there, right?
You'd, I think we'd really think this was this guy was hilarious.
That's what I think because I think that the part of you that's annoyed by him, I would be able to take care of, and like we would like find him very, very amusing.
I mean, like, what about Joe?
When we used to drive to meetings together, like, we used to, like, that's how we'd become firm friends is we'd drive to meetings, and like, because I don't know, man, we're just driving my little mini, and like, I drive pretty nuts sometimes.
And like, sometimes Joe would go, not over the brow of a hill, the brow of a hill.
That's one of the moments I remember.
It's like we were unsighted, sort of like, you know, anyway, it's very silly, actually.
But, you know, I'm in the UK, this is Friday, so I'm in the UK being interviewed by the police right now.
But, like, about, you know, you know what it's about, it's the same stuff, you know.
And obviously, like, when you say that thing about not going into the shame, this is what this challenge has been in my life because it's such an untrue, shameful thing that has aspects to it, i.e., I slept around a bunch and that's not what I should have been doing, I was wrong.
To live that way, I was wrong to live that way.
It's the only way, only all I knew.
It brings up a lot of shame.
So, when I'm in that situation with the police, I was like, I'm thinking about how am I going to be when I'm with the police?
And part of me wanted to get to the point where I started to find myself arriving at a point where I'm not being polite to these people anymore because they are participants in something that I consider to have quite nefarious undergirdings, one might say.
But I, what does the Lord want?
What does the Lord want, Jake, like when I'm in there?
I think bring the peace with you because the Christian, it's almost the opposite of like they, you should make the people you interact with go, How is he acting this way?
Yeah.
How is he walking with such calm and peace and he's still caring about us with everything he has going on?
It should be godly.
That's the interaction.
Oh, that's it.
See, then your power is not, you're in the world, not of it.
It's interesting, isn't it?
Because I always sort of wanted to be Jesus.
And I didn't really reckon, like, and it was sort of stupid, like, because I wanted to be Jesus in some sort of, I don't know, glamorous way, I think.
But as a Christian, that's what you're being called to do.
You're being called to disciple him, to be trained by him, to get out of the way.
Like, say in the St. Francis prayer, Lord, make me a channel of thy peace.
That where there is hatred, I may bring love.
That there's going to be hatred there, but I'm going to bring love there.
Where there's wrong, I'm going to bring the spirit of forgiveness.
Where there is discord, I will bring harmony.
That where there is error, I will bring truth.
The weather is doubt, I will bring faith.
The weather is despair, I will bring hope.
The weather are shadows, I will bring light.
The weather is sadness, I will bring joy.
Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted, to understand than to be understood, to love than to be loved.
For it is by self forgetting that one finds, it is by forgiving that we are forgiven, it is by dying that we awaken unto eternal life.
Amen.
Like when we, if we can get into that consciousness, Like, you know, that no one else, you're expecting hatred.
You're expecting despair.
You're expecting wrong.
And you're not like, where there is hatred, let me bring a bit more hatred.
Where there is wrong, let me fucking smack them in the mouth.
Last week, yeah, I had a more intense situation and I was dealt with it much better.
So I was doing a little security job, which involved travel.
So I had to go to Dubai.
I was there for Holy Thursday and Good Friday.
And on Good Friday, I wanted to go to Mass at three o'clock.
Now, this is a country where there's reported airstrikes and you've got them alerts going off on your phone and all that kind of stuff.
So I didn't know, but having got to where the church is, it's all like fenced off.
There's big sort of walls and a security gate.
And people were just stood outside and they're saying, no, they've shut the church.
The government's shut the church and they've shut, like, I think they shut the Sikh temples, but like the mosques were still open, but they'd shut all the other religions and that.
So I had the answer straight away, like, it's Good Friday.
This is three o'clock mass.
I think.
One of the most important days out of the year, and couldn't get in there.
So I thought, right, we'll stay here and pray.
And everyone was praying at the wall and touching the wall and on their knees.
It was like, it was a real beautiful moment.
And I thought, right, stay here and have a little pray.
And then the security have come out and they're in that, like, it was so rude, disrespectful.
And they were angry.
They were in some sort of fierce state, obviously.
And they said, two minutes, say your prayers and leave.
Say your prayers and leave.
And I thought, no, I'm not doing that.
I took my shoes off and everything, got right on my knees.
I thought, I see it as my duty here to stay here for the full hour that mass would be on.
Praying the rosary so that when people do come, they know they can stay and pray and that it's all right.
Halfway through it, I thought I'm going to get arrested here for praying a rosary.
I thought this is quite cool.
I like the idea of that.
And I did, I stayed there the full hour.
And like I was saying to you, Russell earlier, on Good Friday, usually you kiss the feet of Christ on the crucifix.
Rather than that, I had to kiss this wall of the church.
And that's a Good Friday I'll never forget.
Do you know what I mean?
And that's an example of where I can hold it together and Do the right thing and be calm and compassionate and even of service to people around me.
But put me in a lorry of an instructor that's a bit irritating.
I lose my shit after a couple of hours.
You know what I mean?
The lorry driver was there.
Like, oh, you've been paying for over two minutes.
Yeah, never mind airstrikes and missiles going off.
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You know, I suppose, yeah, it's interesting because we're invited to be participants in discernment and wisdom, of course.
But there's part of what we're meant to be doing that's remaining with him always, remaining with him always.
And it's not when you're in a higher purpose, like, you know, I've been thinking about praying on and feeling lately.
I don't, it's not like I don't mind dying for what I believe in.
Of course, I have some pretty typical fears about dying and some pretty typical fears about suffering.
But it's the idea of like that spending all this energy.
And fear and agitation, and it being about sort of selfishness, things that are connected to self.
I don't want that.
You know, I think we've got no choice but to engage ourselves at the highest level with His kingdom, doing what He would have us do.
Because otherwise, you're going to spend your life religiously pursuing selfish ends.
And it's pathetic.
It's pathetic.
Like, you know, we're here for a purpose.
Like, if you sort of would like, if you, you know, at the moment of death, think this is.
What I believe in.
I see what I believe in.
Martyrdom, e.g., but then it's a good name for a good t shirt slogan.
Martyrdom, e.g., but like at least you're participating in something of value.
This purpose.
Well, there's some literature there, Dave.
Yeah, you mentioned this.
So the end of bottom of 87, as we go through the day, we pause when agitated or doubtful, ask for right thought or action, constantly remind ourselves we're no longer running the show, humbly saying to ourselves many times each day, Thy will be done.
We are then in much less danger of excitement.
Fear, anger, worry, self pity, or foolish decisions, we become much more efficient.
We do not tire so easily for not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were trying to arrange life to suit ourselves.
Amen.
I don't know if I'll ever fully get that lesson, right?
Like that is a daily, it's a growth tool, to be honest.
Like, you don't want to not have lessons too, you know?
You don't want to have things that don't pop up throughout the week.
If nothing pops up, Throughout weeks and weeks, then, like, are you really growing?
Like, are you really pinpointing your thresholds and where stuff comes out?
You're completely right, Dave.
I don't see, like, you going on Friday.
I picture if I'm in your shoes walking in there, I'm immediately, I mean, everything in my body and mind is screaming, this is the enemy.
This is the, these are people trying to falsely take me down.
Like, like that's the, I don't know, besides seeing the prosecution team or something like that, this is, this is the closest I'm getting to the enemy, right?
So it's like these, these guys are directly against me and trying to, Screw up my life, my family.
Like, it'd be that, that's going to be really tough.
Yes.
I mean, I think you can't handle that well unless it's supernatural, unless God intervenes.
That's right.
In a way, and that's where we need to live.
We need to live in only the place where He would have us.
Otherwise, what are we doing?
We're already dead.
And all of us know that, if all of us know, atheist, Christian, or otherwise, what beauty, we know it when we feel it.
We know there is something else.
We know there is something else.
We feel it sometimes in sorrow, sometimes in awe, sometimes in joy.
And the claim that meaning itself can exist without a creator, I think, is in itself an implausible claim.
Hey, but that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
Thanks for joining us today for Crack On with Dave and Joe.
And of course, Jake and Massey, even though their addictions are far more diffuse.
Invisible and is it?
Hey, not all disabilities are visible, yeah?
Not all disabilities are visible.
Good luck with your driving, mate.
And I'll see you in the UK, baby.
And thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot.
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