Here's the News: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ Joe Rogan and Kid Rock Discuss the Price of War in the Middle East
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Okay, so today Joe Rogan and Kid Rock discussing the Middle East and there's a point where in the haughty world of mainstream media, who cares?
Kid Rock, that sort of white Rapper fella.
And Joe Rogan, the podcaster.
Who cares what either of them think?
But one of the things that new media has exposed is that people like Joe Rogan have as much right to discuss political issues as people like Anthony Blinken.
I mean, have you seen that guy's perspectives?
Or Nancy Pelosi just pulling conspiracy theories out the air and saying them on television.
And Jen Psaki, former government messaging person, now MSNBC host, just sort of going, yeah, tell us some more things that you think off the top of your head, Nancy.
What do you think?
We're all wondering this question, Speaker Pelosi.
What do you think Putin has on him?
It's probably financial.
Either something financial he has on, or something on the come.
Never going to hold on a minute.
Have you got any proof that there's a financial relationship between Trump and Putin?
I mean, haven't we already done this?
Will you please stop saying stuff like, how come you've got so much money?
Where the bloody hell did you get it from?
Now, a conversation between kids rocks.
And Joe Rogan.
I don't know much about Kid Rock as a matter of fact, except he's pretty intense.
You know, we all saw how he reacted to Budweiser Light employing a, you know, trans person or whatever.
He shot up the cans, didn't he?
He's a man who shoots from the hip as part of his general method of communication.
So on the subject of Middle East, it's hardly surprising that some of his perspectives were, in my view, kind of a little harsh.
I mean, he referenced Nagasaki and Hiroshima as sort of positive outcomes at one point, which I found difficult having sort of watched those things.
Look, Kid Rock, just watch Oppenheimer.
That wasn't good, was it?
Yes, it was!
It wasn't.
It was bad, I think.
Kids rock.
Okay, but what's perhaps interesting is that Joe Rogan is a person that the left or the liberal establishment, or let's call it the Democrat Party, sort of sneer about and ridicule on mainstream television, but he's the sort of star or celebrity or whatever you want to call it that would You'd think be valuable if what you cared about was an anti-war perspective, individual freedom and sovereignty, tolerance for a variety of views, and being diplomatic about a difficult situation, and actually calling the situation in the Middle East what many people believe it is, a war crime.
Let's have a look.
If you lived in Gaza, you would be convinced that it's the end of the world.
Take a look at that strap.
Kid Rock endorses Israel killing civilians.
I mean, like, this can't go on indefinitely, can it?
Like, this cultural moment.
What's going on at the moment?
Well, Kid Rock's endorsing Israel killing civilians.
And anything else?
No!
Isn't that enough?
Right?
Because it is the end of the world in one place.
In that spot, it's the end of the world.
But where you are, it's not.
And you got to look at it that way.
Derek is actually clearly a really reflective person, saying like the apocalypse spreads like a fog.
Some people's apocalypse has already happened.
And it's difficult not to imagine that were you an occupant of Gaza living amidst the endless hail of bombs, that indeed it is Armageddon, particularly as it's taking place under the auspices of territorial and religious Differences?
I mean, I don't really know that there's a more accurate definition of Armageddon available for us, except for, I don't know, that Bruce Willis film.
It doesn't seem like an appropriate thing to mention.
Kid Rock will probably use it as a reference in a minute, because Kid Rock has got some, what seems to me, pretty... I mean, he seems pretty confident in his perspective, let's say.
I mean, we're rude about Kid Rock, because perhaps one day I'll meet Kid Rock and I don't want him to shoot me.
And when I look at it that way, I'm like... The only wars we won were fucking ones where we were the most brutal motherfuckers on the planet.
Already, you're getting the idea that Kid Rock's got some strong views.
Now, like, I know that there are people in our streams, in our comments, that seem to have similarly, let's call them aggressive, perspectives, but I'm pretty certain myself that there will be no resolution in that direction.
Like, even when you look at what appears at least through the lens of history and the propaganda that we read to have been a sort of cut-and-dry black-and-white victory, the victory over Nazism, and anyone would surely agree that Nazism, as most people understand it, was bad.
I can't help but ask questions like, you know, Project Paperclip, the number of Nazi scientists
that ended up working in the United States. I mean, even something black and white like
that, or, you know, Churchill, one of the greatest, often it's argued the greatest ever
Englishman participated in the annihilation of the people of Dresden. There's so many
questions. In a sense, if you're looking for not even utopia, but meaningful, reasonable
progress, you don't look back to the Second World War as a sort of golden age. It was
a fucking nightmare.
Which, I don't disagree with what Israel's doing. It's like...
It's so extraordinary to feel that we're not collectively, with our human capacities, looking
for an alternative to what's happening in Gaza, and that there are people that feel
that that is the best possible outcome. And indeed, we'll argue vociferously for it, as
Kid Rock is doing.
They should just go in there and be like, you know what?
We want our hostages back.
One time Max Blumenthal came on the show and recounted a story about a 15 year old Palestinian girl dying in a car
And they have the recording of her first responder phone call and it just sounds like oh, yeah
Well, how much lower can we go as a species what's left for us?
They should just go in there and be like, you know what we want our hostages back
If we don't have them back clock starts now in fucking 24 hours
We're gonna start bombing motherfuckers and killing fucking civilians
30, 40 thousand a fucking time.
I suppose what Kid Rock could serve as is to liberals the introduction that Trump is not as far as it's possible to go.
Trump now looks like Jimmy Carter and Joe Rogan looks like James Baldwin.
So you civilians better fucking pack up and fucking get these fucking motherfuckers and you go against Hamas.
You fucking go against them.
We're not playing fucking games with you.
That's the only thing people understand.
This is what happened in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Boom!
Swiped out.
They're like, oh.
I would have liked the cutaway of Joe Rogan at the Nagasaki, Hiroshima moment, because what Joe Rogan subsequently says is an indication that he found that a difficult image to deal with.
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We did not know you had such big bombs.
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The problem is you use a big bomb.
You set a precedent that they can use a big bomb.
They don't have one.
Well, they don't, but they're allies too.
Then we bomb the fuck out of them.
Someone's going to learn.
Yeah.
You got to get your ass beat hard enough.
You can't just nuclear bomb people.
Look at Joe Rogan, he's always looking up and near everything.
He's sort of a very beautiful person.
Like he's so patient and tolerant and you can't just nuclear bomb people.
Someone's got to fucking learn!
The problem with the legacy media is they think that Joe Rogan is Kid Rock.
But look at Joe Rogan and look at Kid Rock.
Joe Rogan is clearly a kind of, this is not good, is it?
This situation in the Middle East and his impact speaks for itself.
The net impact of Joe Rogan is positive, isn't it?
That's like someone who's inviting people that wouldn't listen to, they're not listening to Rachel Maddow, the people that listen to this, and they're hearing, yeah you can't just nuclear bomb people, yeah that's why the landscape's changing actually, that's why Republicans aren't the de facto default party of war, because libertarianism, individualism and whatever sort of new emerging ideologies are coming out of this new technological space are I didn't say nukum!
No, I didn't say nukum!
He was like war and war is becoming obviously a defining issue because it's pervasive and unending
I didn't say nuclear bomb you back. No, I didn't okay. You said you Hiroshima Nagasaki. I thought you meant like no no
Cuz you did see me say Hiroshima and Nagasaki were good things rather than what most people think is that they were
quite bad things Good bad things
I was saying just the brute force of strength used in those conflicts.
Yeah, but even a conventional bombing campaign, if you want to do that somewhere, they can do that to your place.
And this is what we have to avoid.
Fuck around and find out?
Yeah.
Because Kid Rock actually has continual recourse to the kind of militarism that I'm sure many people will be dismissive of in the form of a cultural figure like Kid Rock.
That's actually policy in a lot of courses.
Like Lindsey Graham, that's what he's saying.
Joe Biden, that's what he's saying.
Or, I mean, at best, oh, it's unfortunate what's going on in the Middle East.
No one is as enlightened as Joe Rogan, just looking off into the distance, like, where does this end?
How does this benefit all of us?
And Joe Rogan is a continually maligned, several occasions broadly attacked Figure of in some spaces, and they're relevant spaces, figure of ridicule.
And I would sort of invite those people that sort of like have him portrayed on SNL in the manner he was or throughout CNN's coverage of the ivermectin stuff.
What do you do with that?
You don't want that introduced into the mainstream.
Is that something you want to cut off?
Like MAGA, basket of deplorables, Joe Rogan, people challenging that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were good things.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
You're throwing a lot of stuff out!
In this, you get more diplomacy than in the Democratic Party's policy at the moment, and you certainly get more discourse, and you certainly get more open-mindedness.
So how dare those institutions be critical, condemnatory, and dismissive of Joe Rogan and what Joe Rogan represents, which is plainly a huge portion of the American population.
And after this, thank God, because Those people will be hearing, yeah hang on a minute, you can't just keep bombing everyone and expect it all to kind of just work out.
Not just someone licking a bloody ice cream or Lindsey Graham saying bomb, bomb, bomb them.
These are mainstream political figures and I think perhaps something I've not really considered before is one of the symptoms of the emerging independent media space is like people are going, I'd rather have that person as president.
Hey that person's better.
Like you start to see that they're not an elite class.
Like Boris Johnson wasn't made in a laboratory, as far as we know.
And that Joe Biden doesn't have a divine right to rule.
And the Clintons aren't better and cleverer than everyone else.
And all those Ivy League schools and all of those institutions and CNN and MSNBC, they're not cleverer than ordinary people.
They're not better.
And once you start to challenge those hierarchies, you start to see it quake on a fundamental issue like war, you realize, ah, that's what's happening now.
The system is falling apart, new things are emerging, and the people that need it to stay the same are trying to create endless crises to legitimize ever-increasing authoritarianism.
Until someone launches nukes.
Yeah, but if you think about it, you're a kid.
Kid Rock.
And you don't know why there's a conflict between Palestine and Israel.
It's fucking war.
And you're living in Palestine.
And then they start bombing.
It's war.
And then they kill your mom.
It's fucking war.
Yeah, but you didn't do anything.
Sounds like Bud Light. You have to let that go at some point. You get guns, you're going to go want
to attack people. You're going to want to avenge them. You're going to want to join whatever group,
whatever terrorist group. So why did World War II end? You might not think that that's an
earth-shattering observation from Joe Rogan, but if you take a moment to reflect on the consequences
of the Afghanistan and Iraq war and how closely they align with his prognosis for this conflict,
you start to recognize that it might be valuable to have Antony Blinken or Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi
or Hillary Clinton or any one of these people say, "Look, the problem is with this ever-escalating
tension in the Middle East is that it can't really ever end, can it?"
Even if you annihilate everybody there, wouldn't that ultimately lead to sympathy and more fracture, fissure and war within the region?
And with this conflict between Ukraine and Russia, ultimately isn't that going to lead to an ever escalating crisis with a nuclear armed super state?
And what's the point in provoking China?
to do this for very long. And bearing in mind this is a conversation between Joe Rogan and Kid Rock,
they've always started to question the entire geopolitical agenda. And people are doing that
on an unprecedented scale and that is why you've now got a censorship industrial complex. That's
why you've got two political parties that basically agree with one another on absolutely everything.
And that's why you've got a discontented population that are actually crying out for
change. Whether it's people on the cultural left or people on cultural right, they're crying out
for change. We don't want these institutions posing as democracy anymore because when it comes to a
clear-cut subject like war, it's all they're advocating for.
There's no one in the political space saying anything as radical as Joe Rogan.
In fact I don't think there's anyone on MSNBC or CNN saying isn't this going to escalate endlessly and potentially on that particular issue.
I don't know how it all carves up anymore.
That's why I have a position of why don't we not have any wars and always look for an immediate diplomatic solution where possible and in particular No, I'm sorry, man.
This is fucking war.
It's terrible.
that are in an inferior position and lend the might of the global community, in particular the United States nation,
towards the trajectory of peace and diplomacy, as Joe Rogan is advocating for there,
rather than arming them and having various positions dependent on the conflict.
The attitude towards Ukraine is clearly different from the attitude on Israel,
and that's a problem because it means there are no values or principles at the heart of it,
just an agenda that relates to their long-term objectives, surely.
No, I'm sorry, man, this is fucking war. It's terrible. It's the worst thing on Earth.
I'm a peaceful man.
Well, I hope so, Kid Rock.
But, you know, the Budweiser thing and the Nagasaki thing?
Again, I might meet Kid Rock one day and I look forward to it.
Don't be too condemnatory.
Right, but you're not supposed to pick civilian targets.
That's actually a war crime.
You can't fight war like that!
Joe Rogan!
That's actually a war crime what you've done there.
It seems like a more reasoned way to run the country.
Isn't this the perfect compromise for everybody wants?
Isn't this what the Republican demographic sort of wants?
Isn't this what the demographic ultimately wants?
I mean aren't these issues On the whole, more important than some of the cultural arguments that we're having, we have a media establishment that wants you locked in an unwinnable quarrel about gun ownership and abortions when those subjects will be secondary to Armageddon, which is where both parties are steering us.
They're hiding in civilian targets.
They are.
It will be easy to dismiss this encounter as a chat between a right-wing conspiracy theorist in the form of Kid Rock and Eccentric, except that points in this dialogue are an exchange of exactly what you hear from the most hawkish elements in Congress.
So in that moment, Kid Rock is a conduit for views that are available to you on mainstream
media through members of Congress.
And Joe Rogan is demonstrating more diplomacy, sensitivity and understanding than the most
sensitive members of the Democratic Party and advocating for peace in ways that are
more articulate than you're likely to hear in your own nation's Congress.
Isn't that cause for concern?
Isn't that why society is changing?
And isn't the inability to accommodate this kind of discourse why we're experiencing so
much censorship, so much decay and so much disarray in our cultural spaces?
It's not for no reason that Joe Rogan has become the phenomenon that he has become.
We could see it play out live there.
Sensitive, diplomatic and considered at a point where those in positions of power making decisions with your tax dollars and the lives of real people around the world don't have an iota of the sensitivity that we've just seen displayed for a massive audience that the mainstream media are happy to dismiss as a Joe Rogan, he doesn't have a tie!
It's just meatheads isn't it? Oh, Joe Rogan. They're very dismissive about that.
What ought happen in any sensible culture is that you should see that as a forum where ideas are
exchanged in an interesting and meaningful way and astonishing though it is to say it,
we would be better off if Congress took a leaf out of Joe Rogan's book than the reverse.
They're the ones pretending they're the adults. They're like, "Joe Rogan? He doesn't have a tie.
I've got a newsroom back there." And people are like, "Well, Joe Rogan might be happy to peddle
those conspiracy theories." What?
Conspiracy theories like that's a war crime?
Conspiracy theories like if you perpetuate a cycle of war it will ultimately lead to the apocalypse?
So whether you think Kid Rock is an eccentric and Joe Rogan's a conspiracy theorist is of course entirely up to you.
But the fact is that Kid Rock's views are popular in Congress and indeed are currently literally informing policy.
That's what's happening.
He's not saying I wish this should happen alas.
That is happening.
And Joe Rogan is reasoned, seasoned, a good communicator, a good thinker and a diplomatic envoy.
The truth is we'd probably be better off in the hands of Joe Rogan than we would in the hands of Joe Biden.
