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March 29, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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Will Trump Be Arrested? Trump Lawyer David Schoen Discusses w/ Roger Stone
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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit, Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
And welcome.
I'm Roger Stone, and you are about to enter the Stone Zone.
The quote, show me the man and I'll show you the crime, has been inaccurately attributed to Joseph Stalin, when in fact it was his ruthless and brutal secret police chief, Lavrentiy Beria, who said it.
But it appears to me like Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg has taken a page from the Soviet police boss's playbook.
It appears to me that the DA has invented a case against Trump by taking alleged misdemeanor business record violations and supercharging them into a felony by citing imagined second crime arising out of supposed campaign finance violations.
Here to analyze the situation and other major bombshell announcements made by the D.C.
Appeals Court today is David Schoen.
For my money, one of the most brilliant legal minds in the country.
Full disclosure, David Schoen, attorney, represented me in the sentencing phase of the Mueller witch hunt, and had I not gotten an unconditional presidential pardon, I would have asked David Schoen to handle my appeal.
David Schoen is the rare lawyer that I have come across who actually understands the overlay of the law, the drama in the courtroom, and what is happening in the public, understanding that any case is impacted by both what's going on in court, but also impacted on what is going on outside the court.
One of the most able attorneys that I know, David Schoen, joins us now.
Thank you very much.
You know, I want to just pick up with how you started.
Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
I've been thinking a lot about this.
1940, Justice Robert Jackson, who was also the Nuremberg prosecutor, wrote an article in a judicial magazine in which he said, I'll skip through it, the most dangerous power of the prosecutor is that he will pick people that he thinks he should get rather than pick cases that the most dangerous power of the prosecutor is that he will pick people that And then he goes on and he says, in such a case, it's not a question of discovering the commission of a crime and then looking for the man who has committed it.
It's a question of picking the man and then searching the law books for putting investigators to work to pin some offense on him.
That's exactly what's been happening here.
You know, the Wall Street Journal wrote a piece similar to that, suggesting that's what's happening with Donald Trump.
I think it's exactly what's happening.
That's why we're seeing multiple potential prosecutions and that sort of thing.
As he goes up in the polls, the prosecution efforts seem to intensify.
But this one in New York that you've alluded to is the most far-fetched of all, the most hokey of all, the most reckless of all, and the most reeking of politics.
Of all, for many reasons, but it's a novel theory that's never been tested.
So why on earth would you choose it to indict a president of the United States, which is also unprecedented, never been done before?
To use a novel theory that has a questionable question whether the statute of limitations has run.
In fact, it has run, but their argument is New York has a special statute that if a person is so-called continuously out of state, The statute is stopped or pulled during that period.
And that's why even though these allegations referred to acts over seven years ago, they say the statute is still alive.
That's going to be litigated if they bring the charges.
But it's also not just the novel theory, but it's based exclusively on a witness who's a convicted perjurer and who now, you know, new evidence we have from his previous lawyer is that his story has changed 180 degrees.
Uh, from when, from when he spoke with his lawyer about whether he had any information that implicated Donald Trump or not.
He said back then over and over again, according to the lawyer, that he had no information about Trump.
And that was at a time when the lawyer told him, if you have it, now is the time to use it.
You can help yourself.
They said he just didn't have any with respect to Stormy Daniels or otherwise.
Correct me if I'm wrong, David, but wasn't there a civil case, a defamation case, centered around these exact same issues?
A defamation case against Donald Trump that failed and which ultimately Stormy Daniels was ordered to pay Trump's legal costs?
As usual, you are not wrong.
You are right.
That's right.
And you know, not only in this specific prosecution, the idea of prosecuting Donald Trump For paying money to Stormy Daniels, falsifying any records, making campaign contribution above the limit or concealing it, was expressly investigated and examined by the U.S.
Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York, by the Federal Election Commission, and they both passed and said they would not prosecute any crime in connection with that.
So why is it Alvin Bragg, the elected district attorney in New York, who mostly gets pressed for releasing violent criminals or in a case I have, frankly, in front of that office in which I represent the victim of a severe beating in a hate crime.
Mr. Bragg's office is offering to release the people who are caught on video beating my client and using all kinds of anti-Semitic epithets against him, beating because he was a Jew, releasing them at six months or two months or something like that, even though it's all caught on video, no question about it.
That's what he's most in the news about.
I would suggest to you that maybe a reason is, and I think that this ought to be a reason to disqualify that office and for separate independent ethical consequences, is that Alvin Bragg ran on a campaign platform that singled out Donald Trump and promised himself to is that Alvin Bragg ran on a campaign platform that singled out Donald Trump and promised himself to be He said things like, I'm the candidate in the race who has the experience with Donald Trump.
Why is a district attorney singling out A potential defendant ahead of time.
I think I'm probably the only lawyer in the country who can say we're right now prosecuting a criminal case against the Trump organization.
This is bragging.
This is 2022.
Brag, bragging.
And he goes on and on in many interviews, 2021, 2022, running for office, boasting about his willingness to go after Donald Trump.
Well, that certainly demonstrates an animus by the prosecutor who's supposed to be unbiased.
Additionally, of course, we know that he took a $1 million campaign contribution from George Soros.
And in his general policy, he's knocked 52% of the felony charges in Manhattan, New York County, down to misdemeanors.
The state has a revolving door bail system, which people can commit and be arraigned for violent crimes, and they're back out on the street in two hours.
The rate of recidivism is extraordinarily high.
New York City is having a crime crisis, but Mr. Bragg seems to be spending his time pursuing Donald Trump.
I seem to remember a case of Hillary Clinton, who secretly funded an anti-Trump dossier in 2016, deploying campaign lawyers to pay British spy Christopher Steele more than a million dollars to compose these phony documents.
She listed it on her Federal Election Commission report as legal expenses, even though its sole purpose was to advance her campaign against Trump, and it was not.
In fact, legal fees.
This would be a campaign finance violation.
Even if Trump is guilty of having made a payment, and let's, in full disclosure, he has denied any sexual relationship with Stormy Daniels, doesn't seem to me to rise to the level of a felony, and Hillary Clinton goes entirely unprosecuted for that, although she was fined by the Federal Election Commission.
Bill Clinton famously paid Paula Jones $850,000 for her silence, lest it harm his political career.
He was not prosecuted.
Allegedly, Mr. Cohen has changed his story.
At one time, he said the payments were to spare Melania Trump from public embarrassment.
That would have nothing to do with the campaign.
It is amazing to me that multiple federal prosecutors All of them hostile to Donald Trump.
None of them friendly.
Reviewed the facts in this matter and determined that there was not a prosecutable crime.
Yeah, no, it speaks volumes.
You've really hit it on the head.
You know, I sort of have jokingly said the other day, if this were a campaign contribution and if it were paid by Donald Trump, then I think whatever money Hillary Clinton paid to whoever the person was who destroyed her hard drive also had to be a campaign contribution.
It might not have been disclosed as a campaign contribution.
Today, this morning, it was reported that Robert Costello, who is an attorney who has represented both Mayor Rudy Giuliani, also represented Michael Cohn, found out, this is by his public admission because grand jury testimony is secret, that the thousands of pages of documents that he turned over to the district attorney Pertaining to Mr. Cohen, appeared to have never been examined by the District Attorney.
Perhaps that is the reason for the delay.
I've spoken to the President.
I can tell you firsthand that he has received no formal notification through his lawyers that he is going to be charged, but the leaks from both the federal, state, and county government Our manifest, which is why he decided to go public last Friday.
It's interesting to note that over the weekend, the Morning Consult poll, a poll whose methodology I respect, their professionals not seeking any result, but just seeking to report actual public opinion and the shifts in it, find that Trump has gained strength over his nearest competitor, Ron DeSantis,
Moving from a 52-point lead to a 56-point lead, with DeSantis dropping from 29 to 26, which I think gives credence to what you said earlier.
I really think, as the German philosopher Nietzsche said, that which does not kill me makes me stronger.
And in this case, I think Democrats may be making a miscalculation.
I think they're going to turbocharge Donald Trump's campaign.
David, do you think it is likely, based on what you have read and seen, and I want to stress that David represented President Trump most ably in the second impeachment, the Ukrainian hoax, does not formally represent the President today, and he speaks for himself in today's broadcast in terms of Yeah, I always have, because I think these are all political decisions.
Indictment will be brought against Donald Trump in Fulton County, Georgia, in the weeks ahead.
Yeah, I always have.
And because I think these are all political decisions, I think the district attorney in Fulton County, Georgia, is a political character completely.
I think she thinks that her constituency supports it.
I think the farce of this so-called civil grand jury that they convened first was a complete sham to give her cover, to have a group of citizens convened, as Georgia law permits, with just the prosecutor presenting them with facts, with a prosecutor writing up their report, and so on.
With so-called grand jurors who didn't take it seriously.
We know from the interview the foreperson gave.
It was just a sham to give her cover to say, well, you see, a group of citizens recommended indictment.
My hands are tied.
I really need to indict.
But if I could back up just one second.
You know, you raised this Bob Costello issue.
I think it's very, very important.
Because I think Bob Costello gives us a great civics lesson.
Bob Costello is the former deputy chief of the United States Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York.
He met with his law partner and an associate with Michael Cohen on a few occasions.
Michael Cohen sought them out as legal advisors.
Mr. Costello's law partner had a relationship with Cohen.
They served on certain boards together.
And Cohen, sorry, Costello eventually went into the U.S.
Attorney's Office, represented himself by The former chief of the criminal division in the Southern District of New York and spoke with the federal prosecutors about what Cohen had said to them.
Why?
Because Cohen met with them and then signed a waiver of any privilege.
And Bob Costello felt he had a civic duty to come forward, and that's exactly why he's come forward now.
He had to convince the Trump lawyers to let him speak about what he knew, and eventually to go before the grand jury.
According to Bob Costello, the prosecutors in the District Attorney's Office, in this case now, did not want to hear what he had to say.
And when he eventually went before the grand jury, they wouldn't let him talk about what he wanted to talk about.
He had 330 emails exchanged on this subject.
They showed the grand jury six of them.
They wouldn't share the others, and he complained about that in front of the grand jury.
By the way, he has the right to discuss his testimony.
They would not ask him a question about Stormy Daniels of all things.
And so he said, ask them, why won't you ask me about Stormy Daniels?
Don't you think this grand jury has the right to know?
And he went on about it a bit from the grand jury, but they clearly were there to dissuade him from telling the grand jury what he had to tell them.
And that was that in his view, Michael Cohen is what he calls a serial liar.
That he had spoken to Michael Cohen at length about whether Michael Cohen had any information that would implicate Donald Trump in any crime, including specifically the Stormy Daniels payment scenario.
And then Michael Cohen, according to Costello, told him no, he didn't.
And Michael Cohen therefore determined that there wouldn't be any way to make an immunity deal for Cohen.
Costello determined that.
There wouldn't be any immunity deal for Cohen.
And he kept begging Cohen, please, if you have anything, now is the time to use it.
And Cohen said no.
So you can say, oh, well, you know, we already knew Cohen changed his story.
That's what they've said on some of the shows.
Yes, Cohen gave an interview to Maggie Haberman of the New York Times in which he denied that, you know, there's any wrongdoing in connection with this thing.
But this is even different from that, because this is telling his own trusted advisor That he had nothing to say about this, that there was no illegal conduct by Donald Trump.
Remember, Michael Cohen was a very adept fixer.
And so if he saw a problem, and in this case, if someone was making threats to bring things public, whether true or not true, about Donald Trump, and as you said, Donald Trump has denied them anyway, then having nothing to do with the campaign, that Michael Cohen as a fixer might well I've decided he needed to take care of these things, but that meant paying someone off for nuisance value, and that's a decision he would make on his own, present it to the President as they fit the complete.
So anyway, the Bob Costello factor is very important, but I'm going to tell you one other thing on that subject.
As you know, you talked about funding before in Soros.
The Manhattan District Attorney's Office took the extraordinary step in this case of hiring outside counsel Mark Pomerantz, an experienced lawyer, To serve as a Special Assistant District Attorney, specifically to investigate Donald Trump.
But Pomerantz has written a book about it now.
And in his book, he describes how outside law firms funded the prosecution and investigation of Donald Trump.
They provided associates to the District Attorney's Office, making them what Pomerantz called the highest paid employees of the District Attorney's Office, funded by these private law firms.
But in Michael and Mark Pomerantz's book, He talks about how people in the office did not think this was an appropriate prosecution.
These are the prosecutors charged with running that office.
And he quotes Julieta Lozano, who's head of the Major Economic Crimes Bureau in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, on this subject.
And I can assure you she's no softie.
And she said she could never imagine calling Michael Cohen as a witness on any subject because she did not trust anything he said.
So how on earth Could this district attorney be even contemplating asking a jury to believe anything Michael Cohen said?
It's reckless.
I think the time has come for Mr. Bragg to say, listen, we know a lot more now than we knew.
We've heard from Costello.
We cannot, in good conscience and consistent with our ethical obligations, prosecute this case.
He comes off as a statesman, a righteous prosecutor in that instance, and the thing moves on.
I've had my own experience with Michael Cohen and his tortured relationship with the truth.
He testified under Congress, and I presume probably also in front of the grand jury, claiming that he overheard a conversation between me and candidate Donald Trump, in which I told Trump that the WikiLeaks disclosures were coming.
There's no telephone record to support that.
The secretary, who he claims came into the room to tell Donald Trump that I was on the phone, has no memory of the call.
Cohen changed his story.
First he said it was before the 2016 Democratic Convention.
Then he said it was before the 2016 Republican Convention.
I can tell you exactly when it was.
Never!
It never happened.
There is no corroboration.
When Mr. Cohn learned that Julian Assange was going to be extradited to the United States, he said, good, now we can get to the truth regarding that phone call.
I would welcome Julian Assange's testimony on this subject.
Assange never gave me any information.
We had no material communications whatsoever.
So, Michael Cohen is, I think, driven entirely here by animus.
I would point out that the crimes, other than a campaign violation crime, campaign finance violation crime, had to do with his own tax matters, his own taxicab medallions, And other acts of illegality for which he was convicted.
Pomerantz, in his book, also yet again discloses grand jury testimony, which I thought among lawyers was strictly forbidden, never mind the public.
Yes, only the witness has the right to discuss this testimony.
The prosecutor cannot discuss the testimony that goes on in the grand jury.
That's interesting.
You know, you raised the Georgia case.
That's something the Fulton County Grand Jury, so-called Grand Jury foreperson, discussed what clearly are deliberations and the deliberative process in there.
And, you know, we know now there was joking going on.
The whole thing was a farce.
But the point in New York is you don't bring against an ordinary person You don't bring a prosecution based on a cockamamie theory that's a couple steps removed, and you don't bring it when there's a single witness, and that single witness has this kind of checkered relationship with the truth, apparently, and has had his credibility questioned by the prosecutors themselves.
It's just not done.
It's absolutely reckless to submit a former president to this kind of treatment.
I would also suggest to anyone who's really interested, if you read the entire transcript of the phone call between Donald Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger, in which there were multiple other people represented on the line involved in the call, Trump did not tell him to go find 11,000 and some odd votes.
What Trump pointed out were that there were more than 11,000 votes illegally cast and counted.
At least 5,000, for example, by convicted felons, others by people who literally could not be located.
And essentially he was saying is all one needs to do is find more than 11,000 illegal votes without even getting into the question of irregularities in the machines.
He accurately pointed out there were far more questionable ballots, challenged ballots, Then 11,000.
But it gets reduced into the media to find 11,000 and some odd votes, which is not in context whatsoever.
Let me say for the record that I do expect the president to be charged in Fulton, Georgia.
This is part of a political process to try to destroy his presidential campaign.
Now we go to the question of Special Counsel Jack Smith.
There was a ruling by the D.C.
Appeals Court today pertaining to the attorney-client privilege regarding Evan Corcoran, who I guess is one of President Trump's lawyers.
David, can you explain to us what happened today?
Well, essentially, the court has said that Evan Corcoran was assigned the job of going through records at Mar-a-Lago To determine whether secure documents still existed, had to be turned over, etc.
By way of disclaimer, I will tell you that I was asked first if I would take on that task.
I declined.
I said, that's not the kind of thing I do.
I'm just going through records.
I represent people in court.
That's kind of the limit of my practice.
And so Evan, who, you know, I know him quite well.
He's one of the most decent, honest people, honest lawyers that I've met.
Very upstanding sort of guy.
Former Justice Department prosecutor himself and so on.
And so he went through the documents and President Trump had another couple of lawyers going through them.
And at some point a certification was made that they believed that all of the confidential documents had been found and disclosed.
We know that that's not a perfect process.
We know that there can be other places.
How do we know it?
We know it from President Biden's experience.
But anyway, The court found that essentially there's reason to believe a crime may have been committed in connection with this, and therefore the so-called crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege applies, and so Evan Corcoran has to appear before a grand jury again to answer additional questions and to produce additional documents.
Turning now, you've been on The Stone Zone before.
You had an excellent analysis of the January 6th Committee hearings, one of the great acts of kabuki theater of all time, produced for Television Spectacular, in which at least one witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, perjured herself regarding my actions on the 5th.
Uh, as well as, uh, General Flynn's, uh, and which the committee showed, uh, manipulated, in some case, I think, fabricated videos.
Uh, words are attributed to me that I really cannot be seen saying.
Then that same video gets leaked to CNN, but with a completely different video, but the same audio track, uh, completely, uh, phony.
Uh, but we don't see the video of Ashley Babbitt.
The unarmed, decorated Air Force veteran killed in cold blood without any warning while menacing no one.
That video is not shown.
We don't see the video of Roseanne Boylan bludgeoned to death by a Capitol Hill police officer and then ultimately dying under a crush of bodies.
Her autopsy said she died of a drug overdose.
Unlikely to say the least.
Do you think, David, that the recommended, the referrals by the House Committee, hardly a balanced bipartisan body, for prosecution of Donald Trump in connection to January 6th will actually come to place, come to pass?
Again, I mean, I think things are run on political considerations rather than the rule of law.
And so I'm a cynic and I'm a worst case scenario person.
I'm afraid they will, and they never should.
That committee was the greatest farce in Congress that I have seen in my lifetime.
It was marred by conflict from the beginning.
As you well know, the committee chair who was picked out of all of the members of Congress Was suing at the time Donald Trump personally, claiming already that Donald Trump was responsible for the events of January 6th, and that he, Chairman Thompson, was personally injured by it.
He dropped the suit so that he could become chair of the committee, and in his motion to dismiss and withdraw from the case, he said he still stands by his allegations in the case.
How on earth could that be a person running an investigative committee?
And then they pick just the who's who of hench people to serve on the committee, all avowed enemies of Donald Trump.
Unprecedentedly, they rejected Kevin McCarthy's choices because specifically those choices wanted to look into the other aspects of the events of January 6th other than what they claim Donald Trump is responsible for.
And I think they're entitled to less than zero credibility.
They made public statements all through it, demanding criminal prosecutions and so on.
It was a horrible chapter in American history.
And I still see media talking about the importance of the committee and they played, you know, quotes from Cheney saying that, you know, Constitution demands their full authority and so on.
It's a complete hoax.
And I don't say that lightly about any government action.
But this thing was a sham from start to finish, and they should really be ashamed of themselves.
And they did a great disservice to the American people.
That disservice will continue if criminal prosecutions are brought based on their referral.
President Trump's lawyers have argued, particularly Kash Patel, who is a good friend of this show and a very able attorney and a very able individual himself, that Donald Trump, as president, had the unilateral authority to declassify any document essentially with the wave of a hand, just by thinking it.
And therefore, it's really impossible for him to mishandle classified documents.
Do you agree with that doctrine or that philosophy?
I think conventional wisdom is that the President has the authority to declassify.
I don't like the talk really of, you know, just in his mind and so on.
That opens up too broad a field for abuse and all of that.
But listen, from everything that I've seen and read, I don't think that Donald Trump He intentionally mishandled any document classified or otherwise.
I think that he had control over documents that he firmly understood he had the right to control.
Whether that was right or wrong, I don't know, but the statutes involved all require a mens rea, a state of mind of intentional misconduct, that sort of thing, and it just didn't happen.
You know, people forget Donald Trump came into government not as a sort of government hack.
He was a business person.
And so he didn't know all of the procedurals, rules, and other aspects of public office.
On the other hand, I guess one would say nobody in the current scene has made more of a full career of politics than President Biden.
And we know now how President Biden dealt with documents that, you know, perhaps he didn't have the authority to control.
Perhaps he did.
Maybe, you know, he also had that kind of authority.
But after his comments about Donald Trump's recklessness and unimaginable that he would have these kind of documents, it's rather perturbing that he was found with a number of documents.
I don't know that we still know the full universe of those documents.
I remember a conversation I had with President Trump in early 2017.
President Trump had run on a state's rights platform when it comes to the question of legalization of cannabis.
In other words, medical marijuana.
The president took the position that while he personally did not support it, that it was up to the individual states to make a decision, and therefore the classic states' rights position.
Shortly after his election, Jeff Sessions, his then attorney general, began talking about repealing the memo that had been written by Barack Obama's attorney general, which essentially said that in those instances that there was a conflict between federal which essentially said that in those instances that there was a conflict between federal law and state law regarding possession of marijuana in the states where it had been approved for medicinal use, essentially that the federal
Then Jeff Sessions started talking about prosecuting people for possession and selling marijuana in the states where it had been legalized.
When I mentioned this to the president, pointing out that it was inconsistent with his position in the campaign, he said to me, are you sure?
I said, I'm absolutely sure.
He's given dozens of interviews on this subject.
And he said, what do you think I should do?
And I said, well, he's in the executive branch.
Why don't you call him and tell him to knock it off that it's not consistent with your policy?
And he said, I'm not allowed to give him instructions.
I said, who in the world told you that?
He said, well, my attorneys.
I said, you're not allowed to give him instructions on cases that pertain specifically or directly to you or your powers or a question involving you personally, but you have broad authority to give him direction as Attorney General.
He's a part of the executive branch.
He has to act consistent with your policies.
This is a perfect example of Donald Trump not being a career politician, and I think in this case, getting misleading legal advice.
Today, he knows much better.
All right, we're going to have to leave it there.
David Shone, again, in my opinion, one of the most brilliant and supple legal minds in the country.
Folks, if you get accused of murder tomorrow, he's definitely the man to retain.
David, thank you so much.
Thank you very much for having me.
Thank you.
God bless you.
There you have it, folks.
Really, I think the smartest lawyer in the United States because, as I said, he understands the overlay of the law in politics, the law in media.
It is unrealistic to think that any case, any high-profile case particularly, is not affected by what is happening in the public realm, is not limited to what is only happening in the courtroom.
And I'm very happy that he was able to Join us today.
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We have an email from Jose, who is in Plantation, Florida.
Jose wants to know what I thought of Governor Ron DeSantis' interview with Piers Morgan, in which he essentially attacked Donald Trump.
Talk about kicking a man when he's down.
Talk about kicking the man who made you governor when he's down.
I must say, as a 43-year practitioner of the political arts, this is the greatest single political mistake I have ever seen.
Mike, pardon me, Ron DeSantis' constituency is Donald Trump's constituency.
Or actually, I should say, it is the other way around.
This was an egregious mistake.
It's strange.
Ron DeSantis had no problems with the moral character of Donald Trump when Donald Trump endorsed him for governor, essentially clinching the nomination for him.
Ron DeSantis had no problems with Donald Trump's moral character or leadership style when Donald Trump traveled to Florida in the last two weeks to drag lackluster, inarticulate, totally tanned candidate Ron DeSantis across the finish line in a photo finish race for governor.
Now it appears that Ron DeSantis, realizing that Jill gave him terrible advice on this matter, is trying to backpedal and says, well, he won't cooperate if Alvin Bragg, the district attorney, tries to extradite Donald Trump to Florida for arraignment.
That's a moot point because the President's lawyers have already said that if he's arraigned or charged that he would not fight extradition and he would show up to openly face the charges.
And I guarantee you say in a loud voice, not guilty.
Ron DeSantis has made what is, in my opinion, the single greatest political mistake that I have seen in 43 years in politics.
He is not going to be president, folks.
He would have been best off to wait, and as he will see, those who keep saying, yes, but he's a great governor, we're going to have a debate about that, whether it is his mask policy, where he hasn't told the truth, whether it is his fight with Disney, where he hasn't really told the truth, or whether it is the effort to stop the public school districts from teaching critical race theory in the schools, which they're doing today, despite his public claims to the contrary.
So, Jose, thank you very much for your question.
I sat down and did an interview on the potential for the arrest of Donald Trump with Mike Crispy, for Mike Crispy, who appears here on Frank Speech at Lyndale TV2.
We're going to roll that for you right now.
We have the great Roger Stone back with us.
Roger, great to see you, sir.
Love the shirt.
What is going on?
What is the latest?
The floor is yours, sir.
Rachel Maddow, didn't she tell us that the COVID-19 vaccination was both safe and effective and would protect you from infection?
I think she owes us, the American people, an apology.
She may be indirectly responsible for literally thousands of injuries or deaths.
Mike, this is unhinged.
President Trump called for protest.
No place did he use the word militant or racially tinged.
This is projection.
I do think it is important, given what I think is going to go down this week.
Which is to say Alvin Bragg, a county prosecutor in New York, would bring essentially trumped up campaign finance violations, which would normally be a misdemeanor.
He will bump them up to a felony in an effort to prosecute Donald Trump.
These are charges that five different federal prosecutors, already fully reviewed and rejected, decided to bring no action.
But this is really not surprising.
Mr. Bragg took $1 million in a campaign contribution from George Soros to win the position of New York County District Attorney.
That is a Manhattan.
His left-hand woman, Chanterelle Sung, came directly from FISA, This is a politically motivated witch hunt, and it is, I think, the first step in a domino.
In all honesty, Mike, I still fully expect that there will be a fabricated indictment against President Trump in Fulton County, Georgia.
I would not be shocked to see Special Counsel Jack Smith bring charges against the president, again fabricated pertaining to January 6th, which I'm not aware of any crime on his part.
And then we still have the looming documents investigation.
I want to stress, and I think this is very important, for any watcher of Mike Crispy's show, to any patriot who chooses to protest publicly tomorrow or any time this week, keep it peaceful, keep it civil, and keep it legal.
They would like nothing better than to goad Trump supporters into some illegal or unlawful or violent act so they can flip around and blame all of this on us.
It is unbelievable.
So, Roger, you think, I mean, Rachel Maddow, the best thing, she had the tax return.
She had all this.
What are you hearing on the ground?
Because now there's speculation that they might wait.
It might not happen on Tuesday, like President Trump said.
Do you think this goes down Tuesday?
NYPD had the barricades that they were bringing out, putting it in front of Alvin Bragg's office this morning.
Do you think this goes down Tuesday?
What are you hearing down there from your sources?
What do you think happens now in the next 48 hours?
First of all, I spoke to President Trump yesterday morning.
He called me Sunday morning.
We actually prayed together on the phone.
He's in excellent spirits.
He is stoic.
He has never been formally notified by anyone that these charges will be brought tomorrow or on any other day, but the leaks from both state and federal sources are ubiquitous.
I don't believe it will go down tomorrow based on my own sources, but I do believe there will be some action taken against him this week.
This, by the way, just makes the lunatics of the left more brazen.
I myself was attacked in a pizza joint last night in South Florida by two lunatics.
The violence on the left is a gigantic problem in this country.
The penchant for violence and the penchant Yeah, it really, it really is wild.
And I think, you know, they're walking into the buzzsaw in New York City.
They're going to go, they're going to have Antifa.
They're going to do all of these things to try to get Trump supporters in the trap, right?
So you mentioned, I think this is something that nobody's talking about, a domino effect.
Fulton County, Georgia, the January 6th stuff.
You think they just keep dumping charges on him in the next weeks to months to come from different angles to get hopefully one thing trips him up from running for president?
This is this is cataclysmic.
It's like these people have no regard for the norms of our country or traditions or anything.
They don't care about ripping up the whole system, Roger.
It seems like they're ready to implode it just to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.
Is that a fair assertion?
That's exactly how I see this going down.
Look, he's an existential threat to the two-party duopoly that's busy destroying this country.
What they don't understand is with each criminal charge, he becomes more popular and more powerful.
The American people will react to this, but the right place to react to it is at the ballot box.
And I think in all honesty, if he is charged any day this week, that will be the worst day of Governor Ron DeSantis's life.
Because, as we have seen after the raid at Mar-a-Lago, the American people, particularly Republicans, rally behind this president when he is being persecuted.
And he surely is being persecuted in an extraordinarily weak case.
This is what they have?
Really?
Honestly?
These charges were already examined by five hostile federal prosecutors who elected that they're to bring no charges because they didn't feel there was a case there.
The case seems to rest entirely on Michael Cohen, who is a convicted liar.
Yeah, no, I heard that Michael Cohen is going to go back in and they're going to do these things.
What do you make of the whole, I mean, a lot of Republicans, some are speaking out, some are not Ron DeSantis today gave some quibs and comments and he almost, it's almost like he kicked Trump and said the thing with Stormy Daniels and made a remark.
You mentioned that with the polling and the public sentiment.
I think Ron DeSantis has handled this just absolutely terribly.
I think there's no way else to defend it other than that he's listening to the Bushes, right, and they're telling him not to say anything because they have just mental illness against Trump.
So, I mean, this is going to help Trump's stock, obviously.
And why do you think the left, they're banking on, you know, this theory that he becomes the nominee, but he's too distracted, and then they steal it again.
I mean, what's their endgame here?
Because they're not going to stop him from getting the nomination.
This only makes him grow stronger.
So what do these depraved leftists, Roger, really want?
What do you think they're angling here strategically?
I think they make the same miscalculation they made in 2016.
Look, Jimmy Carter's handlers wanted to run against Ronald Reagan.
They thought he would be the easiest candidate to beat.
Hillary Clinton's handlers wanted to run against Donald Trump.
They thought he would be the easiest candidate to beat.
I do think the Democrat media Cabal here may actually recognize that by pursuing all of these false prosecutorial charges against Trump, that they are turbocharging his chances for the nomination.
But let's face it, they didn't think he could win in 2016.
He did.
They didn't think he could win in 2020.
They had to cheat him out of victory.
And the truth is, they may be guaranteeing his path back to the White House.
What will the country look like on Election Day 2024 if the candidates on the ballot are Joe Biden and Donald Trump?
I'll say one thing.
On that day, Mike, don't bother going to the ATM at your bank to take out any cash because your bank will have failed.
Make sure you fill up your gas tank a couple days in advance of going to the polling places because the lines for gas will be around the block and gas will be going for $10.
A gallon if it is available.
And look, you may need to go on a diet because fewer and fewer foodstuffs are available in the grocery stores.
Supply chain problems, you understand.
But then again, if you do find what you want in the grocery store, you can buy a steak.
Well, it's not really a steak.
It's actually two bites of a steak, but it'll cost you nine and a half bucks under the Biden inflationary plan.
Don't worry about Taiwan.
It will be in the control of the Red Chinese by then.
Unbelievable.
I mean, that is Joe Biden's America.
I really think, you know, referring to the German philosopher Nietzsche, that which does not kill me makes me stronger.
In this case, Donald Trump will get an incredible political boost out of this entire witch hunt.
I guess this would be witch hunt 3.0.
Or maybe if Fulton County is 3, then this would be 4.0.
Unbelievable.
And I want to ask you one last question, because people say, and this is something, it's like nobody has been attacked from more angles, more places than this man.
You spoke with him on the phone, you said he's in good spirits, you've known him for a long time.
How does somebody have that amount of resilience?
And you had a lot of resilience too, because they went after you, right?
These same radical leftist people of the law as they claim So what is, how do people have resilience?
How does he have resilience?
How have you had resilience?
Cause it's like a total onslaught, a storm from all different angles and people like, how do you maintain this type of composure?
Um, and clearly, you know, now it requires a lot of energy and stamina and he's going to be hitting the campaign trail.
So just a little about your spirits, his spirits, um, you know, just talk a little about that.
Well, it's funny, Mike, just Friday I got yet another letter from Hunter Biden's expensive, high-priced attorney threatening to sue me for simply talking about the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop.
Let me be very clear.
I have no knowledge or involvement in the process by which that material became public.
I read it in the New York Post.
Hunter Biden is a public figure.
Everything I've read, I believe to be not only legally obtained, but entirely accurate and genuine.
And I will not stop talking about it.
There is some... There you have it, folks.
Let me address that last question.
How does Donald Trump keep going?
How do I keep going?
I'll be very honest with you.
It is faith in the Lord.
When I spoke to Donald Trump Sunday morning before church, we actually prayed together on the phone.
I ask you to pray for him now, but more importantly, pray for our nation.
This is Roger Stone.
This has been The Stone Zone.
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Tomorrow, Charlene Bollinger from The Truth About Cancer joins us on The Stone Zone.
You're not going to want to miss this.
She is one of the most censored and canceled people in the universe because of her truth-telling when it comes to vaccinations.
And Cures for Cancer.
You're going to want to check out that show.
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