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March 29, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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Is a Trump-DeSantis Ticket Possible? Roger Stone Breaks it Down
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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon, and pundit, Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome.
I'm Roger Stone, and you are about to enter the Stone Zone.
First, Mrs. Stone and I want to express our prayers and thoughts for those horrifically murdered in Nashville, specifically Catherine Koontz, the head of the Christian school, Mike Gill, a custodian, Cynthia Peak, a substitute teacher, and then most terribly, three young people, Haley Scruggs, nine years old, the daughter of a pastor and his wife,
William Kinney, also nine years old, and Evelyn Dieckhaus, nine.
Please join me in praying for them and for their families in this time of shock and grief.
The shooter has been identified as a trans person.
As a libertarian, I have always believed that what consenting adults decide to do in the privacy of their own home was their business.
I am a true believer in freedom.
And this, however, the trans movement seems to have gotten extraordinarily militant and increasingly violent and insistent about their ability to indoctrinate, misguide, and I think in some cases permanently maim, young people who aren't old enough to make their own informed decisions.
This is a deeply troubling trend.
Please join me in praying for those Horrifically murdered, uh, uh, in Nashville.
The most disgraceful thing about this entire public episode, other than the deaths themselves, uh, the handling by president Joe Biden, who, when he goes to speak about this, uh, on behalf of the nation, uh, first makes jokes about ice cream, makes jokes about how good looking the school children are, where he's delivering his address, and then just uses it for another Partisan call for gun control.
Disgraceful.
Just disgraceful.
The question that we get more than any other, and what prompts me is a volunteer in the mail room in President Trump's office, where he gets a deluge of mail from America First supporters who want to know why there cannot be a Trump DeSantis ticket.
In their mind, that would guarantee not only Florida in the next election, although I think Trump could carry the state without the governor.
I think it would certainly help to have the governor, theoretically.
But it would also, in their mind, guarantee future America first leadership after the 2024 election, when President Trump would be prohibited from running again.
Here is the fundamental problem with all of this, and that is the rules of the Electoral College, while they do not prohibit a party from nominating two people whose legal residence is in the same state, they do penalize that party by saying that if that ticket carried the state that the two candidates were legal residents of, they would forfeit those votes
In this case, Florida has 30 electoral votes.
Last week, we had Captain Seth Ketchell on the program, Captain Kay, to my mind, really one of the most brilliant election analysts that I have met, and he outlined Uh, four very narrow paths, uh, where with a little bit of election law reform, it is conceivable that the Republican candidate, most probably Donald J. Trump, uh, could achieve 270 electoral votes.
None of these four paths, unfortunately, uh, would, uh, would allow you to disallow, or I should say forfeit the votes of Florida.
And therefore, it is not a realistic or legal expectation.
Interestingly enough, when George W. Bush appointed former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, former White House Chief of Staff, to head his vice presidential search committee, And Cheney searched high and low, and the person he came up with was, well, Dick Cheney.
Cheney and Trump, pardon me, Cheney and Bush, were both legal residents of the state of Texas.
Cheney had to quietly, within days of the deadline, go change his state residence from Texas, where he actually lived, to Wyoming, where he had a very nice vacation home In Jackson Hole and where he had served as a congressman and grown up.
This was the tip-off, of course, that George W. Bush was going to take Dick Cheney for vice president.
We all know how that worked out.
Dick Cheney essentially euchared this nation into a pointless war based on the false assertion that Iraq was somehow tied to or responsible for the 9-11 attacks on the United States.
And then secondarily by falsely claiming that Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi leader, was on the verge of developing nuclear weapons.
That was false, as we now know.
In fact, Dick Cheney, who I think is the epitome of evil and who made millions of dollars in the Halliburton stock that he knew was in his blind trust through enormous contracts in connection to the Iraqi war, was perhaps who I think is the epitome of evil and who made millions of dollars in the Halliburton stock that he
And that war killed almost, I believe we concluded 600,000 plus people.
And that's a low estimate.
So in any event, those of you who are hopeful about a Bush, pardon me, a Trump DeSantis ticket, I get it all the time on social media.
I get it in email.
I get it in the comments about the show.
Please understand why it is both legally and politically impossible.
And therefore, it's not going to happen.
Now, some of this talk was ginned up in an interview that Governor DeSantis gave in Newsmax, where he said to Newsmax that he wouldn't be interested in serving as Trump's vice president.
That was a cheap headline because the governor, who is an attorney, surely knows that there is a legal prohibition from two gentlemen being on the same ticket.
Beyond that, those who say to me, well, this is simple.
Donald Trump can simply change his residence back to New Jersey or back to New York.
First of all, I would point to you that both of those states have among the highest state income tax rates in the country.
Florida has no income tax.
It's one of the great things about the free state of Florida.
And Donald Trump is certainly not going to move back into the jurisdiction of a hostile attorney general.
Uh, and hostile governor, nevermind a hostile Manhattan County District Attorney.
So, um, that is a pipe dream.
And of course the governor is not going to change his legal residence.
Um, I have now told you why there will not be a Trump DeSantis ticket.
Uh, I do think it's important for people who are looking at Florida, um, in the immediate aftermath of Governor DeSantis' record-breaking reelection.
Which he won by almost 20 points.
He carried both Miami-Dade County, which is a Democratic bastion.
He also carried Palm Beach County, unheard of by any Republican in recent times, making deep inroads into the Hispanic vote by using Spanish language media, both radio and cable.
In fact, he saturated all mediums in an extremely well-funded and well-executed media campaign.
He dominated broadcast television.
He dominated cable.
He dominated digital advertising.
And as I pointed out, he also spent quite a bit of money on digital fundraising advertising in Iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina and Georgia, and in some of the wealthiest parts of Texas, Southern California, and New York.
All of that is, of course, perfectly legal, but it is also the tip-off that he was going to run for president.
For those who criticized me or my friend Laura Loomer over the last several months when we pointed out that a DeSantis presidential candidacy was in the works, we're accused of dividing the movement.
We're accused of hurting the America First cause.
I beg to differ.
Now, I think we have With Ron DeSantis's failure to rise to the defense of Donald Trump in the Manhattan matter.
In fact, he used the occasion to say he wasn't getting involved.
And he used the occasion to recycle the left's false narrative that Donald Trump paid hush money to a porn star to buy her silence about an affair.
Something that she now denies.
But in addition, he then doubled down in an interview with Piers Morgan and he attacked Trump on his chaotic management style, which got us the strongest economy in our nation's history and restored for respect for America around the globe and under which our southern border was virtually sealed.
And he attacked Trump's moral character.
I think that this was a cataclysmic political mistake because the DeSantis voters are a microcosm of the Trump voters and those who like DeSantis love Donald J. Trump.
So it is why Trump has soared ahead in the polls.
It is why by any reasonable measure DeSantis has dropped in the polls.
But yesterday we had a spirited discussion of Florida Senate Bill 2006.
There's a lot of disagreement about the initial bill signed by Governor DeSantis and then the revision, the revised bill, I should say the amended bill, and then lastly some discussion of what was left in the bill that the governor signed that many health freedom advocates still find troublesome.
I tried to get my good friend Chris Nelson of FreeFlorida.me to join us yesterday for that conversation.
He was unavailable, but he is available to join us now, so we're going to let him have a crack at this ball.
Thanks for joining us on the Stone Zone, Chris.
Yes, absolutely.
Thanks for having me on, Roger.
Before we get into Senate Bill 2006, which we beat up pretty good yesterday, and I think both sides of Both elements of this were revealed, but I'm going to let you speak because you're a knowledgeable fellow and a good man.
Well, you know, SB2006, okay?
Let's look at what this was, what this is, and what they were doing at the time.
At the time, we had local governments that were running roughshod over Floridians, okay?
This idea that Governor DeSantis was a COVID tyrant.
Just, it's not true.
And the people that are going after DeSantis, if you're going to be going after him about things, you know, I would recommend staying in the realm of what's true.
Because there are things that you can criticize him on about COVID.
But then there's other things where you're going to destroy your credibility if you say things that are untrue.
Like this National Files story.
Uh, from this guy that I hadn't heard of before, uh, talking about Ron DeSantis signed COVID law allowing forced injections by any means necessary!
DeSantis is going to be deploying Dr. Latipo to your house to hold you down and inject you!
Okay, this- It doesn't say.
The story that's in front of me doesn't say that.
Rogers signed COVID law allowing forced injections by any means necessary.
Roger, SB 2006, okay?
I've got it right here.
Which was later amended, but in its original form does in fact authorize the state to vaccinate someone against their will.
Not true, Roger, because if you look at these laws, and I'm guilty of this, I read the law wrong at first, Because when you go to the site and you pull up the PDF, you see the entire statute in front of you.
And what you see is when it's the part of the law that's actually 2006, you see underlined, as in, An executive order, a proclamation, or a rule must be limited to a duration of not more than 60 days and may be renewed as necessary during the duration of an emergency.
And if renewed, the order, proclamation, or rule must specifically state what provisions are being renewed.
That part is underlined.
Same is the part that makes it illegal for local governments or any government in Florida Including future governments to implement vaccine passports.
And that's what this law was about.
The parts in here when you pull this up that are not underlined, including the part where the public health officer can order testing, treatment, vaccination, which was later taken out, that is not part
Well, unfortunately, if you saw our show yesterday, both Frankie Stokes and Jean Marie Nassar, who you introduced me to, disagree certainly with that second part.
We actually showed her Senate testimony calling for That was already in the law.
It's a misreading of the law.
The bill was amended.
I think we made that very clear.
But I think they made a pretty good case that it was as originally signed.
It did include this this authority.
That was already in the law.
It's a misreading of the law.
The underlying parts are what were added.
The crossed out parts are what are taken out.
The parts that are there, which is that part, was already there.
There's a history behind it.
Correct.
That book you love so much was the one that actually signed that and put that into law in 2002 after the anthrax scare.
With the governor's signature, that law was reaffirmed.
This case was made yesterday.
That's being disingenuous, Roger, and Jean-Marie and this National File guy, they're being disingenuous by saying that.
So now let me move on since we beat the hell out of Senate Bill 2006.
Disingenuous.
Chris, on your social media you are propping up a number of polls in Iowa and New Hampshire that are extraordinarily suspect.
How could anyone have faith in a poll?
And by the way, this was covered.
This was shocked heavily, by the way.
But it appeared in The Hill, The New York Post, The Guardian, and Axios, a public opinion strategies poll.
We don't know the date of the poll.
We don't know the sample of the polling sample.
We don't know whether it is among all Republicans in those states or whether it is screened for caucus attendees.
Or primary voters, and we don't know the wording of the questions and we don't know the order of the questions.
So in all honesty, when there are 12 public polls taken and 11 of them show one thing and one shows something else, that's an anomaly.
The New York Post actually wrote this story without ever Disclosing the name of the polling company or who commissioned the poll.
In fact, who commissioned this poll is an open question, whether it was a candidate, whether it was some media outlet.
So I would really urge you to be more careful in your selection of polling.
Any poll can be rigged to show anything you want.
If you're not interested in an honest result, a true result, If you're taking a poll for the purposes of promotion and propaganda, well then you can certainly skew a poll by cooking the sample, cooking the wording of the questions, cooking the order of the questions, and so on.
Since you want to remain truth-based, I thought I would give you my two cents on polling.
Well, yeah, I agree.
You can make a poll say whatever you want.
It seems like with Donald Trump, the polls that say good things about him, he's more than happy to believe in the ones that say bad things about him aren't true.
Now, I'm talking about the interactive polls.
Now, this is the Quinnipiac poll.
This is the only poll that I've shared on Twitter because I don't really look at polls.
Just like Governor DeSantis, I don't really look at polls very much.
The only poll I need is right here and right here and right here.
But this is the interactive poll Quinnipiac 20.
These are the polls that President Trump we see sharing a lot on his truth social.
Now, this poll is showing what I have said for a period of time is that President Trump has lost the independents and he's lost the Democrats that voted for him, especially with these attacks against Governor DeSantis.
Trump has great things that he did as president.
Letting Fauci run the country was not one of them, but he has a lot of great accomplishments in regard to foreign policy, keeping us out of wars.
Instead of focusing on these things, he instead decides to launch a smear campaign against a governor that a lot of his base love.
The MAGA base, for the most part, loves Ron DeSantis.
And by attacking him, he's going after them.
Now this poll shows DeSantis up two points over Biden.
This is a poll that shows how would DeSantis fare over Biden and how would Trump fare over Biden.
It says Republican for Ron DeSantis, two points over Biden in a head-to-head match up against Biden.
Trump, two points behind Biden.
And, you know, I think a lot of people right now, they want to win.
And I get it that Trump was cheated.
It's bad.
Bad things happen to all of us.
We get accused of things Again, people want to win.
And this poll shows what I've been saying.
Trump performs 10 points worse than DeSantis among independents and nine points worse among 65 plus voters.
Maybe this is trying to scare them all into thinking that Ron DeSantis wants to take away their Medicare and Social Security.
Which is typically something that a candidate does in the fourth quarter when they're desperate, and I'm surprised.
Particularly when the candidate has voted twice for resolutions.
To do exactly that.
I mean, here's what I'm saying about polls.
It is unfair to take any one poll and say that that is a political movement.
One needs to look at multiple, properly conducted, methodologically sound polls to determine the direction of things.
Virtually every national poll shows Donald Trump beating Joe Biden by a slightly larger margin than Ron DeSantis.
Every poll certainly shows him at a national sample.
As the first choice for president among Republicans.
Uh, and, uh, I've yet to see a poll that I respect in Iowa or New Hampshire that, uh, shows him behind.
Let me, since you're a Floridian, let me ask you some direct questions.
Uh, if there is a Florida, uh, clash between Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, do you think the fact that Ron DeSantis took $9 million from Florida Power and Light and other utilities and gave the rate payers, the citizens of Florida, The highest increase in our electric bills in Florida history will hurt him.
I don't think people see it that way because we see the tax breaks that Governor DeSantis has done, the toll breaks, the tax breaks for household items, things like that.
I think that something that needs to be said is what about the million dollars that Donald Trump took from Pfizer after he became president?
I mean, if you want to talk about Pete, now I don't know about this, about money that DeSantis has taken.
I haven't really looked into that, but I do know for a fact that Donald Trump took $1 million from Pfizer.
It kind of reminds me of when DeSantis took $1 million from Disney after the election.
Did we lose Chris?
In any event, he maybe got so excited he unplugged himself.
In any event, we're almost to the end of the segment.
The point I guess I am making is that in the immediate aftermath of the election and all that media spending by Ron DeSantis, he did have a modest lead in New York, in Florida.
In the more recent polls, that lead has switched hands.
With Donald Trump now slightly ahead.
Let me point out that Trump is ahead having spent no money on paid media or messaging.
He is ahead based solely on the national news cycle and the phenomenon that we have seen previously that Trump voters and those who lean towards Trump or those who are winnable by Trump gravitate to Trump when they perceive that he is being persecuted.
And that phenomena is back.
All right, let's bring him back.
We have five minutes.
Chris, we lost you.
All right, yes.
So everybody, Roger did not hang up on me.
And Roger, I gotta say, you are an intellectually honest man.
And, you know, we may disagree on some things, but as far as you go, I've always known you to be a very honest man.
You're a Trump loyalist, you say that, but you are willing to hear all sides of this.
So, you know, I think that is troubling.
I think both candidates need to be held accountable for who they've taken money from.
100%.
But you know, going back to the, and I did bring up the million dollars that Trump took from Pfizer.
And it seems like that money went a long way because he was going to create the Vaccine Safety Commission.
I was meeting with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
and it was a friend of yours.
And this was actually in Robert F. Kennedy Jr.' 's documentary, The Real Anthony Fauci, that Trump really had a skepticism of vaccinations.
And it seemed like it went all out the window when he took that million dollars from Pfizer.
Man, I got to tell you, I think some people that followed Trump and, you know, a lot of people really were willing to follow this guy wherever he would lead.
And there was people that were really willing to put a lot of things off to the side.
Like, look, I get it.
I hear this over and over again.
He had to listen to Fauci.
He had no choice.
Well, no, he did have a choice.
He chose to listen.
With all due respect, just as Governor Sanchez listened to his health advisors who moved him towards a mask mandate and a lockdown.
And a lockdown that existed, you yourself, one of the very strongest advocates, lasted far longer than other parts in the country, lasted beyond the point in which Trump was calling for an end to lockdowns.
Well, I was nodding to the fact that I was one of the people that was against that, not to the fact that DeSantis did.
DeSantis did not, you know, I mean, I was, I'm in Broward County, as you are, one of the bluest areas, and it was the local officials that were coming at us hard.
DeSantis did not do a mask mandate.
He did not do the But all due respect, in the small print of his executive order on masks, he allowed the three southern most democratic counties to do whatever they wanted.
And that's why we were masked and harassed far longer than anyone else in the state.
Well, you know, if we weren't, I wouldn't have met my wife, because I met her at an anti-mask rally.
And, you know, I really, I'm almost grateful in some ways for Broward's Mass mandates, believe it or not.
But this is wordplay.
It's almost like when you do this SB 2006 thing.
It's like, OK, he allowed for forced, or he signed a law allowing for forced vaccinations.
Oh, wait, no, no, he signed a law that didn't take that part out.
So now we're going to say he did allow for forced vaccinations.
We're going to do this wordplay thing, even though he didn't.
You're going to say, oh, well, he didn't rein in these local governments quick enough.
He allowed them to To shut down the beaches and to enforce mask mandates, to arrest gym owners and things like that.
But you know, where Donald Trump failed by failing to rein in the state governments, Governor DeSantis stepped in when it came to the local governments.
You can't help tyrants from being tyrants, but you can rein them in.
And he might not have done it in the way everybody wanted to or when Or right away, but he did nevertheless reign them in.
And do you understand the concept, you being a Christian, Roger, you understand this, the concept of repentance.
Repentance is not just saying, I'm sorry, oh gee, which so far I haven't heard an I'm sorry at all from President Trump for any of this stuff.
Can he take a shred of responsibility?
I'm not trying to blame it all on him, but I've never heard that.
Governor DeSantis apologized to Mike and Jillian Carnival when he was pardoning them for being arrested.
And by hiring Dr. Joe Latipo, who actually just, I just wrote a story on in the Floridian Press, he just called out the Board of Family Medicine for stripping Dr. Littell of his certification, which was absolutely ridiculous.
But when he brought on in 2021, Dr. Joe Latipo, and I encourage everybody to read his book, Transcend Fear.
It's got a forward by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
by Dr. Joe Latipo, just an incredible personal story of how he overcame fear and got ready for this.
But when DeSantis brought in Latipo and did his real, you know, really shifted on this, it was, Repentance.
I might have made some mistakes.
Was a shift in the narrative.
Look, Ron DeSantis was a full-throated out-and-out advocate for the vaccination.
He vouched for its safety, its effectiveness, and he said you wouldn't Be infected if you took it.
That cannot be erased now in an effort to turn this into a wedge issue.
Now, I agree with you.
I'm a critic of President Trump's position.
I'm myself unvaccinated.
I have great skepticism about the safety and the effectiveness of the vaccinations, particularly since we see people dropping dead all over the world, which, of course, doesn't get much mainstream media question.
But I will give you this.
I will give you this credit, Chris.
You like to kick a man when he's up.
Because Donald Trump is in stronger shape than he has been in months.
This is the accumulation of the effort to persecute him in New York.
I think Governor DeSantis would have helped his cause to be more supportive and less dismissive of the entire process.
And then the personal attacks in the Piers Morgan interview.
Why would you attack the man who unilaterally, single-handedly made you governor?
Made him governor.
You're calling him a pedo?
Just non-stop personal attacks.
If you read his book, he stood up for President Trump all during Russiagate.
And it was not popular to do this at the time.
Republicans were turning on President Trump.
Like crazy.
It was Ron DeSantis and a group of people in Congress who said this is nonsense and stood up for President Trump.
I think you played some of the clips.
And now, for political reasons, President Trump is childishly attacking Governor DeSantis, and now it becomes this thing where, I mean, is Trump even going to get arrested?
He told us he was going to get arrested on Tuesday, got everybody all worked up about it, and then what's the focus on?
The arrest, or possible arrest?
No, the focus is all on DeSantis.
And the animus is on DeSantis.
DeSantis needs to do something.
What do you want the guy to do exactly?
I mean, he called out the prosecutor.
Is he supposed to be?
And why does he owe Trump anything?
Especially when Trump is saying these horrible things about him every day.
Why does he owe Trump anything?
At this point, Ron DeSantis would be working in a McDonald's if it weren't for Donald Trump.
He was a little-known neocon congressman at 7% in the polls in a contest in which every Republican county chairman, every elected Republican in the state legislature, the Senate president, the House speaker, and every member of the congressional delegation, Republicans, With the exception of Matt Gaetz, it had supported Ron's opponent.
There is no question whatsoever that the Trump endorsement catapulted him almost overnight to the Republican nomination.
And then Governor DeSantis, candidate DeSantis, benefited when President Trump changed his schedule in the last two weeks.
Of the 2018 campaign to come to Florida and drag him over the finish line after, I would say, undistinguished performances in two debates with Mayor Gillum.
Yeah, where I come from, that deserves some loyalty, and therefore I would be more cognizant of the man who made me governor.
I think there's a certain loyalty missing there.
In any event, we are over our time.
I wish you could have joined us yesterday.
It would have been a much better point and counterpoint.
Gene Marie Nassar and Frankie Stokes, both articulate in pending their point of view.
I think we may try to get you and Gene Marie back because there's still some fundamental disagreement there.
But look, everybody's entitled to support the candidate of their choice, but you are kicking a man when he's up.
Thank you, Chris Nelson of FreeFlorida.me for joining us on The Stone Zone.
Thank you, Roger.
You can follow me at Reopen Chris, and I gotta say it's too bad that President Trump has decided to turn on Governor DeSantis the way he has.
All right.
That's called the late hit, folks.
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Since we began these broadcasts at StoneZone.live, one of the most popular shows we've had featured Greg Stenstrom and Leah Hoopes, two activists from the state of Pennsylvania who were fighting an epic uphill battle over election integrity.
It was a great show, but there is an update in their ongoing legal fight, and I've asked for that update today on the Stone Zone.
Our guest.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
All right.
Great, thank you.
So just to a refresher, Greg Stensrom is co-founder of Patriot.Online, a digital privacy ecosystem and social media platform.
He has extensive experience in computer sciences, security, fraud investigations, and has worked for multiple state and federal investigative agencies In those capacities as well as international commercial finance institutions and businesses.
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naval officer.
He served as a surface warfare officer and in commanding and executive officer roles for special warfare and special operations.
He has a bachelor's of science degree from the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.
With him is his co-author of the book, The Parallel Election, A Blueprint for Deception, subtitled Evidence of Massive Election Fraud in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, a pivotal and key state in the last presidential election.
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She's also a Republican committee woman for Bethel Township in Delaware County, Pennsylvania.
She is also a Krav Maga instructor and practitioner.
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I must tell you, our last show together was one of the biggest shows the Stone Zone has ever had.
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Thank you so much for joining us again.
I must tell you, our last show together was one of the biggest shows the Stone Zone has ever had.
People are intensely interested in this issue of election integrity.
Those at the leadership levels, at the elite levels of the Republican Party, who don't want to keep talking about fair, free, pre-transparent elections and whether the 2020 election met any of those standards are are are wrong based on all of the survey research that I've seen.
Yes, that's polling.
When you look at the concerns of Republicans.
I understand why the party leaders, many of whom are in the Uniparty, many of whom had an actual hand in the anomalies and irregularities and outright fraud in the last elections, don't want a public focus on it.
But let me tell you, at the voter level, the American people still feel, rightfully, cheated.
And there is an intensity Uh, to continue talking about this.
I don't think you can relitigate the 2020 election nationally.
I don't think it should be the centerpiece of a 2024 Trump campaign, but it is most definitely an issue in that campaign and it must continue to be an issue.
Uh, and every legal remedy must be used, uh, to try to ferret out the truth about what happened in every state, uh, in 2020.
So, uh, with that, um, Greg, I'm going to go to you first.
Bring us up to date in terms of your legal efforts.
Well, currently we have our case, Centrum Hoops versus the Delaware County, Pennsylvania Board of Elections.
It's scheduled for discussion by SCOTUS in their weekly conference this coming Friday, March 31st, 2023, two days from now.
It'll determine if the case will be heard in this SCOTUS session and we'll know by Monday next week whether SCOTUS is denied or accepted the case.
It's been a two and a half year journey through the courts for Leah and I after we first filed on November 4th, 2020.
We filed our case on November 4th, 2020, the day after the 2020 election.
The case provides undisputed facts and evidence of massive election fraud in 2020, and specifically the 327,000 votes in Delaware County PA.
The Delaware County PA determined the outcome of both our county and the federal elections, and we say that they should not have been certified.
In fact, Delaware County PA provided the last minute 89,000 votes for Biden that took President Trump's 8,000 vote lead in Pennsylvania away.
It was critical to stealing the election and installing an illegitimate government.
We've witnessed the fraud ourselves, and our case contains videos and audio admissions by election officials who admit to the fraud, fabricating evidence.
We have videos of them shredding evidence, and we've assembled emails, texts, and more importantly, I think the election board itself, the return board, which was made up of bipartisan inspectors, They stated the vote could not be reconciled at all by tens of thousands of votes.
So that case is there right now.
Our basis for them hearing it is what we call fungible justiciability.
Justiciability is whether they'll hear the case or not.
And we say that in the eight swing states and 32 target pivot counties, that didn't happen.
That's the crux of the case.
We hope they'll hear it.
And it's overwhelming evidence of massive fraud in a nutshell.
How big a role do you believe mail-in voting, approved by the Republicans in the Pennsylvania legislature, later after the election, disallowed by the Commonwealth Court, that decision is upheld by the middle courts, but then the Supreme Court essentially allows mail-in balloting going forward.
How big a role is mail-in balloting fraud play in the Pennsylvania 2020 election?
Leah, you want to take that one?
So yeah, this was a constructed plan.
I went all the way back to 2016, in which they started to implement all of these left-wing voting technologies and different laws that they were shoving through the Republican-led legislature.
And it brought us all the way up to 2020.
So they were preparing for a long time.
Uh, especially in the state of Pennsylvania and actually 28 other states bring in, uh, the mail-in voting system, which is, it's just riddled with fraud, which has been proven over and over and over again.
We keep screaming, you gotta get rid of this system.
It played a huge role in the fraud and still continues to.
This is why, um, no other country has this system is because it is riddled with fraud.
Greg, how does Dominion, if in any way, how does Dominion play into these results?
Well, Dominion is primarily electronic voting and they had a big role.
All the election machines had a big role.
But what people, I think they point at Dominion, they pointed it hard into Civic and ES&S.
And I think it was less a problem with the voting machines itself and the voting processes than it was That the targeted swing states and targeted central counting centers in the pivot counties, I don't want to be clear here, there's 32 pivot counties that essentially decide the outcome of the entire election in the United States, which is about 3,200 counties.
What they did is they did not follow the procedures, which left a surface area for fraud to be conducted.
So when we say that they substituted fake ballots for real ballots, What they did is they literally took fake mail-in ballots and they ran them through the machines and counted them and they hid the real ballots in other locations.
So people that thought they voted submitted their vote.
Their votes were never counted.
And electronically, the elections were manipulated because they did not comply with procedures to put in the proper software to handle the portable media correctly.
And by doing that, they gave a small number of maleficent actors the opportunity to commit fraud.
So it's not so much Dominion per se, or ES&S, or Hartage or Civic.
It's the processes that were exploited by these bad actors to steal our elections.
And we've detailed that in our book, The Parallel Election, in great detail.
Folks, again, the book is The Parallel Election, A Blueprint for Deception, Evidence of Massive Fraud in Delaware County, Pennsylvania in the November 2020 election.
It is fascinating.
It's also extraordinarily well documented.
It's by Leah Hoopes and Greg Stensrom.
I strongly urge you to order it.
Leah, you're a Republican committee woman, which we both know is a thankless task, but somebody has to do it, and I salute you for your service.
What happened when you took the stunning evidence that you had learned to your fellow Republican Party officials?
The first thing that we did, we talk about it in the book, is we exhausted all of our administrative remedies, and it started when I requested Uh, my county chairman, Tom McGarable, who has since left, who is a spineless, um, dirty human being.
But, um, we asked, uh, as a committee for them to perform an audit, which a, uh, in Pennsylvania, a county, uh, chairman can ask for.
And he flat out said no.
So that was really the, the first line of defense for me, um, as a committee woman.
And, you know, and then after that, obviously we went through the court system and then we went through law enforcement and so on and so on.
Um, and since then, uh, they have asked me, oh, and screamed at me to resign, uh, from, from my committee position.
They've tried to throw me out.
Um, you know, they've bad mouthed me because, you know, that's just, this is who they are.
I mean, they've been, I think it's been happening for so long in Delaware County.
We talk about this in the book as well.
Fraud's been happening in Delaware County since the 1800s at the hands of the Republican Party, which was known as the machine back in the day.
So of course they don't want me airing dirty laundry around, but to me it's not about Republican or Democrat, it's about my country.
So I'm not very well liked on either side to be honest, Roger.
Well I think this speaks to the larger question of the Uniparty.
Look, I have a deep sentimental attachment to the Republican Party of Barry Goldwater, of Ronald Reagan, of Abraham Lincoln, for that matter, of Donald Trump.
But the party elites dominate many of the party leadership offices.
Pennsylvania, which is a state I handled for President Donald, pardon me, President Ronald Reagan's reelection in 1984, has, by tradition, one of the most hierarchical Republican parties in the country.
In other words, In the old days, the state chairman decided who our nominee for statewide office would be.
He would tell the state committee.
The state committee members would tell the county chairman.
The county chairman would tell the town chairman.
The town chairman would tell the committee men.
And that's the way it was.
If you preferred a different candidate, well, that's too bad because that means you were not on the team.
You weren't part of the organization.
There's only two states in the country that ran that way.
New York was one of them.
Under the heavy hand of Nelson Rockefeller, but also in Pennsylvania under governors such as Dick Thornburg and also Raymond Schaefer.
So you're bucking tradition.
A lot of these people don't really know why they're Republicans other than it might be an opportunity to line their own pockets rather than what they believe in.
And while I'm not suggesting that we leave the Republican Party, Because the costs and the legal and financial impediments to starting a new party under the rules written by Republicans and Democrats working together to make sure there are no new parties are, I think, prohibitive.
So what we need to do is what we did in 2016.
We need to take back the Republican Party.
It was taken back in 1964 by Barry Goldwater.
It was taken back from the elites in 1980 by Ronald Reagan.
It was taken back in 2016 from the elites by Donald Trump.
But those in the congressional wing of the party, those in the leadership of the Pennsylvania party, they don't want to talk about election integrity or the last election at all.
Not in the slightest.
Which is why I salute you for this ongoing fight.
I know as someone who's been in the eye of the storm how incredibly expensive this can be.
How are your legal fees running and how can people help you with those fees?
I'll speak to that.
We started our own social media platform and it's www.patriot.online. www.patriot.online.
On that landing page, there's a donate button.
And what we'd really appreciate is when you click on that donate button, you can contribute to our legal costs, which in the they're astronomical.
Most of the stuff that.
Most of our filings have been pro se, but in the early stages, we did go through lawyers and We went through the traditional means of going through the courts, which was incredibly expensive.
So you can donate to the legal fund.
You can donate to patriot.online, which is a social media platform where people cannot be silenced.
And also you can buy the book and donate to us directly.
So we're happy in any way that people can contribute to the fight.
And buying the book is probably the The thing we'd like you to do the most, parallelelection.com, buy the book.
All the facts and evidence are there and it's written so that you can engage your friends and your family and people who are, you know, maybe contrary to your ideological beliefs, but it really sticks to the facts and evidence.
And I think that's going to help people to connect and engage and restore the United States of America.
Very well said.
We had it up there on the screen.
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It is an honor to have you back on the Stone Zone.
And again, folks, the U.S.
Supreme Court is going to be talking about this in conference on the 31st, so prayers up, my friends, prayers up.
Pray that the court be enlightened to hear this case and to deliver justice in this case.
I can tell you firsthand about the extraordinary power of prayer, and the 31st is the day to focus your prayers on.
Thank you, Greg and Leah, for joining us again.
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And of course, uh, Greg Engstrom, uh, and, uh, and Leah hoops, uh, who did a terrific job bringing us up to date, uh, on On their fight.
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