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March 27, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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The Biden Regime's NUCLEAR Option!!! Darren Beattie of Revolver News Explains with Roger Stone
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And now Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
I'm Roger Stone, and you are about to enter the Stone Zone.
Thank God it's Friday.
It's been a tumultuous week to say the least.
It started with me sitting in for Alex Jones last Sunday night as the news unfolded about Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's plan to charge and Uh, uh, I indict, uh, President Donald Trump on contrived campaign finance violations that had somehow been, uh, euchared up to a felony.
Uh, since that time I have been on OAN.
Uh, with Eric Metaxas on the Eric Metaxas Show, uh, with radio legend, Mark Simone, uh, Joe Piscopo and others to defend Donald Trump and get to the why rather than the how of this entire story.
I think most Americans understand that what Mr. Bragg has in mind is a travesty of justice based on an unreliable witness who has changed his story multiple times, both in writing
And under oath, and to help me break this down, I called on Dr. Darren Beatty of Revolver News, who has an incisive piece about why this is the nuclear option for the Biden regime, which is desperate to run against anybody other than Donald Trump in 2024.
Dr. Darren Beatty joins us now.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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Dr. Beatty I appreciate your joining us you wrote I think the seminal piece on this because my understanding here is that Uh, that in one breath the establishment tells us that Trump is a spent force, uh, that he is, uh, you know, that he is isolated, that he is weakened, uh, that he is hysterical, uh, that he, that he, that he is drowning in self-pity.
I must say that is not the Trump I've talked to this week.
The Trump I've talked to seems upbeat, optimistic.
Pugilistic in the sense that he's prepared to fight for the country and for his own future, but very centered and quite calm.
Let's go to the larger picture here.
What exactly is going on in Manhattan where I think that Alvin Bragg is just an appendage of the deep state, an appendage of the same federal and national, indeed international, actors who seek to take Donald Trump out.
Absolutely.
Well, the details of this potential indictment are interesting, scandalous, and really outrageous enough.
And, you know, we can talk about the details.
I'm not the greatest expert on these.
I know what I see, and there's, you know, reports of the corrupt Soros-backed DA not even being able to convince a grand jury in New York to go ahead with this
Indictment which if true is pretty remarkable and of course the substance of the charge itself are so contrived as and Ridiculous it almost is sort of Belittles us to even speak about it and give it the slightest dignity of our sort of conscious attention When we we could get into that if you'd like, but I think the bigger picture is really what's important here and that is that really
As long as Donald Trump is living, breathing, and free, much less the continued leader of the most important political movement in American history, he stands as a profound repudiation of our corrupt regime.
Let's think about the context.
In 2016, Donald Trump ran against the coordinated opposition of every powerful institution in the country, if not the Western world more broadly.
Not only did he win that fight, but he humiliated his opposition.
And if there's one thing that our corrupt regime can't stand, it's humiliation.
Look what happened to others who've humiliated them, like Julian Assange.
And so in some ways, this criminal indictment, even though I would say you can make the argument it's from a strategic perspective, foolish, because I think it will help Trump in so far as it reinforces the reality that he is the one Standing challenger to the regime, and that's why they're attacking him in a way they're attacking nobody else.
So from a strategic perspective, it's perhaps ill-advised, but in another way, it's inevitable.
It represents the culmination of everything that they've been trying to do to stop him since day one, from one ridiculous impeachment attempt after another, one contortionist attempt to Place him on the wrong side of the law after another.
It's all been reaching toward this point where they have to put him behind bars.
They have to indict him.
It's no longer enough to cancel, say, okay, you're removed from social media, you're removed from banks.
The next stage of deplatforming is prison.
And that's what they're trying to do with Trump.
And so that's kind of where All of this is heading there's an internal logic to it because he really does symbolically represent the sort of I completely agree.
I think that was an excellent analysis.
that can challenge the corrupt powers of the regime.
And really they need to take him off the chessboard at all costs and then neutralize, silence, and destroy the energies associated with that America First movement that he started and continues to lead. - I completely agree.
I think that was an excellent analysis.
He's an existential threat to the new world order.
What has gotten completely hysterical is his calls for peace in Ukraine, where peace is not their goal.
And the fact that we continue to have open borders, a crime orgy in the country fueled by fentanyl, that our enemies abroad are emboldened.
The foreign policy of the Biden administration has driven Russia, China, and Iran together.
Something that was unthinkable under Donald Trump.
Notice how they keep ratcheting down in terms of the forum.
In other words, they failed in two impeachments.
From a timing point of view, you have this action, and we could unpack that, but I think it's been done.
Greg Jarrett at Fox News did a spectacular job of analyzing this.
So has Attorney Dershowitz, done an excellent job.
But right down the road, you have yet another state prosecution, potentially in Georgia, where again, Soros funded prosecutor Fannie Wills, in Fulton County is going to, in my opinion, bring another indictment involving the election.
If anyone will bother to read the entire transcript of Trump's conversation with Secretary of State Raffensperger, in which there are multiple other attorneys and parties representing both Trump and the Secretary of State on the line participating, He doesn't ask Raffenbergers to find 11,000 and some odd votes.
He makes the case that there are over 11,000 votes that have already been counted that should be put aside because they're illegal.
5,000 felons who voted illegally, for example.
But that has been bastardized in the media and I have no doubt whatsoever that she intends to file charges.
Now, whether either the New York Uh, or the, uh, or Georgia charges, uh, come to fruition can actually get to trial in two very weak cases is an open question.
But also looming on the horizon, and I think perhaps far more troublesome, are the January 6th investigation being conducted by Special Counsel Jack Smith.
I just read a story that the D.C.
Appeals Court, not surprisingly, ruled that Mark Meadows and a parcel of other Trump White House aides including the National Security Advisor and his deputy and others will be required to testify before the grand jury regarding the events of January 6th.
Then you have over in this silo you have the investigation into the president's handling of certain classified or top secret documents.
That one got kind of fuzzed up because Joe Biden himself is guilty of the same Or worse, because he retained documents as Vice President and had no authority as Vice President to declassify them.
But, here's the question.
It is entirely conceivable that Donald Trump could win the nomination of his party and conceivably win a general election while under federal indictment because no one I believe, no one I know, no lawyer I respect, believes that any case growing out of those two federal investigations could actually get to trial before the 2024 election.
Then theoretically, if Trump were president, And he were to be convicted in a Soviet-style show trial, he would have the power to pardon himself.
So I think that the real danger is the state charges in which if he is elected president, he would have no ability to pardon himself.
But that is the scenario of the Republican candidate for president running while under indictment and using it as a badge of honor and a demonstration of the political persecution and desperation of the deep state is a really intriguing idea.
What do you think?
I think it is intriguing.
It's certainly unprecedented.
I think in many ways it's deeply damaging to whatever semblance of a democracy we still have.
You know, what's so ironic is the left and the Democrats' messaging, which is completely disingenuous about the so-called insurrection, which I've, I think, proven to be a fedsurrection, but the so-called insurrection in theory is so Uniquely harmful because of the damage it does to the democratic process of the peaceful transition of power.
And in that light, what could be more damaging to that process than setting a precedent, which is now unprecedented?
This would be the precedent of a former president being criminally charged by An opposing party, president of an opposing party, but not just a former president, but a frontrunner to the nomination to the opposing party of the sitting president that's charging him.
This is truly Banana Republic territory.
And in the article that you mentioned from Revolver on the indictment, we resurrect an interesting passage from Gerald Ford.
Um, basically describing why he pardoned Nixon.
And one of the reasons that's worth revisiting is that he said, look, a former president under these circumstances simply couldn't have a fair trial due to the, you know, the nature of that type of political position.
So there are a lot of really important And it sounds weird to use this term because it's so closely associated with the disingenuous arguments of the corrupt ruling class, but it really is severely damaging to important norms and institutions.
But maybe they're so long gone that it's time to simply be transparent about The level of contempt that the regime has for the legal process.
You see not only in its indictment of Trump and the issue in Georgia that you mentioned, just a panoply of things about Trump, but contemporaneously we're seeing, again to talk about January 6th, it recently came out that Ray Epps The kind of infamous figure who seems to be a provocateur of some sort in January 6th.
I'm sure most people listening to this have heard of him.
If not, you can get the definitive account at revolver.news.
But Ray Epps has retained a new lawyer.
And guess who it is?
It's Michael Tatar, formerly of Perkins Coal, now in the employment of disgraced Democrat hatchman David Brock.
Why is a David Brock minion a lawyer for Ray Epps?
It's all about cleaning up and shoring up the January 6th narrative so they can use it to go after Trump and go after the American people that support Trump.
Also contemporaneous, there's a trial that just wrapped up today, I believe, of a young man who was very talented, Um, on Twitter, MIT ranked his Twitter account more influential than NBC News and other mainstream outlets.
He trafficked in memes, and he was very effective at it.
And some of those memes mocked Hillary Clinton.
The Biden Department of Justice is trying to throw this young guy in jail for 10 years for memes mocking Hillary Clinton.
They're claiming it's disinformation.
So now it's not just enough to have the disinformation scam to shut people up and silence you and take you off social media and censor you.
Now the Biden regime is attempting to codify the disinformation scam into law.
There's Incredible abuses that have just come out in the Proud Boys cases as well.
So everywhere you look, you see severe political abuse of not only the national security establishment, but specifically we see now of the Justice Department in a manner that totally contradicts any pretense to United States remaining a free society with any semblance of democratic norms.
And so, You know, one thing that's going on today is all these TikTok hearings, and it's nice to take TikTok to an account, but in another sense, it's kind of rich to see all of these politicians sort of grandstand, morally grandstand about China, when you have these severe abuses of freedom, of liberty, and the basic institutions and norms that support those things, severe abuses going on in our own government.
Um, to the point that really we've devolved into a banana republic situation.
So it's a very dangerous direction we're heading in.
Trump needs to fight and I think he will fight it full force.
No holds barred.
He needs to fight this.
He is the man in the arena.
He is the man under attack and there's a reason for it.
Nobody has challenged and humiliated our corrupt regime as profoundly as Trump has.
That's why he's the leader of the America First Movement.
That's why they're trying to put him in jail.
Look, I have experienced firsthand exactly what you're talking about.
You may recall that I was charged with testifying falsely under voluntary testimony to the House Intelligence Committee about WikiLeaks and Russian collusion.
I had an epically biased judge.
I had a corrupted jury for woman.
I had a stacked DC jury.
I had prosecutors who were withholding exculpatory evidence from my defense attorneys because we learned long after I was pardoned through Robert Mueller's long hidden long redacted final report
Which he was forced to discourage only by a federal judge because of a lawsuit by BuzzFeed that he, by his own admission, had found, quote, no factual evidence, close quote, of my involvement in Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration or any involvement in the phishing or publication of John Podesta's epically embarrassing emails.
Now, you wouldn't know that when I go out to dinner and people call me a Russian traitor.
A claim for which there is no basis whatsoever.
So I've lived through this nightmare, and I guess I would argue that Donald Trump's offensive, pugilistic style is best suited for this moment.
Normally, your lawyer, if you were under these kinds of investigations, your lawyer would tell you to lay low and keep your mouth shut, and Donald Trump will never, ever do that.
He is taking the fight to them rather than waiting for him to take the fight to him.
He has blasted everybody investigating for their partisanship and for the nature of their investigations.
I actually think his style is ideal for the ordeal that he is about to go through.
You've done very good coverage on this meme trial which is really extraordinary because he's basically being charged with a thought crime.
He's not allowed to make a free speech based political meme.
It is really corrosive in terms of any semblance of free speech.
I did see your piece today regarding The question of Governor Ron DeSantis and potential for extradition.
I think it's a moot point in the sense that the president's lawyers have made it pretty clear that if he were charged he would not fight extradition.
I can't see him asking Governor DeSantis, a former ally who's now turned into an opponent, to do that.
I also think that the constitutional issues look Perilous to me.
In other words, I think even if DeSantis were to refuse to extradite Trump or block his extradition to New York, he would ultimately lose in the federal courts.
So I like where Congressman Matt Gaetz is coming from on this from a sentimental point of view.
But I think it's a moot point, number one.
And number two, I don't think it holds up legally, to be quite honest with you.
The president's made it pretty clear that he will go down there to shout not guilty when he's arraigned, you know, at the top of his lungs and recognizes the political benefit.
I would also have to say that after months of having the discipline not to take the bait that Governor DeSantis has mishandled this entire situation very badly.
In his initial comments, He's dismissive.
I'm not getting involved in any of that.
But then he recycles the empty charges.
You know, I don't think about hush payments to a porn star that you had an affair with.
Essentially recycling the talking points of the left.
Then he makes it even worse by doubling down and doing this interview with Piers Morgan where he questions Donald Trump's moral character, which is weird because he wasn't questioning his moral character when Trump endorsed him and skyrocketed him on a one-way ticket to the Republican nomination for governor.
He wasn't questioning Donald Trump's moral courage or character when Donald Trump changed his schedule to come to Florida in the last two weeks of the 2018 campaign to literally drag Ron DeSantis, who's not a very compelling candidate despite his most recent well-funded victory, across the finish line.
So he also does a backflip on Ukraine to get more in tune with the America first non-neocon wing of the party, which was cleverly worded and I think fairly skillfully executed since it was a complete reversal of his previous position which was cleverly worded and I think fairly skillfully executed since it was a complete
But then, I assume because his big donors were unhappy, he flips back and says, well, Putin's a war criminal, which is just a slogan to reassure the neocons that you haven't really left their camp.
Darren, what do you think of Governor DeSantis's Handling of this entire background of the assault on Trump.
Yes.
Excellent.
And I appreciate your remarks, your remarks on our piece.
Um, you know, it was really intended more as a thought exercise.
Obviously DeSantis was never going to do that and Trump would never have agreed to it, but it does represent sort of an extreme version of The posture that DeSantis, if he had had better political instincts, would have taken.
And you're right.
It's strange that DeSantis had exhibited such discipline and holding off on, you know, going after Trump or anything like this.
And he picks this opportunity to relax that discipline.
I think, you know, I've criticized this and people have said, Oh, You know, what's the deal here?
DeSantis, you know, doesn't owe Trump anything.
Now we can leave that question aside about what is owed simply from the straightforward sort of self-interested political sort of interests of DeSantis.
It was a profound miscalculation, if only because his Approach failed to understand that if you're the one stepping in to help, that makes you the leader.
Rather than sort of standing aside, I'm not going to get involved, taking petty swipes for him to have at least said, look, this is outrageous.
I'm going to do everything in my power as government governor to stop it.
So forth.
That actually would have made him look better, but he didn't take the opportunity and in not doing so.
He betrayed his lack of sound political judgment, which I think will continue to be a problem for him.
There's another reason I think that that piece was an interesting thought exercise that will be more relevant in the future, perhaps in different contexts.
And you mentioned, for instance, that certain charges, when a president can't pardon himself from federal charges, only state charges.
I think Irrespective of how... The other way around.
The other way around.
He can pardon himself for federal charges, but not state charges.
That's what I mean.
That's what I mean.
Yeah.
Apologies for that.
Exactly.
The president can pardon himself for federal charges, not for state charges.
Given the political weaponization of criminal law on the state level, This is not something that's going away.
We saw incipient versions of it in this phenomenon of sanctuary cities, sanctuary states.
Now you see sort of the more aggressive version of that, of states proactively taking a kind of prosecutorial posture, politically motivated prosecutorial posture against rivals.
I think this phenomenon will only intensify And what it does do is it underscores the necessity of Republicans establishing multi-generational, robust political redoubts in various states that work together to counteract this and potentially go on offense in the other direction.
And I could see circumstances in the future, perhaps not in this context, of a situation where there is sort of an extradition battle between various states.
And the importance of this long term strategy of Republicans really shoring up ironclad, robust redoubts in various states, including Florida, including Texas and others that cooperate and work together, is This is something, you know, there are a lot of ways to criticize DeSantis.
This is something that I think DeSantis has shown sound judgment on.
And I think it's very unfortunate that DeSantis is expending so much political capital unnecessarily
In anticipation of running against Trump, which he shouldn't do, when if anyone, you know, we're giving him good advice, they say, look, stay in Florida and do your part in making Florida one of these multi-generational political redoubts to fight the medium to long term battle on the national stage.
So That's just unfortunate.
It doesn't look like he's going to listen to anyone's sound judgment on this matter.
It looks like it's already a done deal.
And so that's that.
But it is unfortunate to see because I think people are kind of pushing him into this circumstance and he's It doesn't look like he's resisting too much.
It will be very bad for him and I think it will undermine a lot of the good things that he's done and a lot of the potential he's had in the future in terms of consolidating Florida politically as a solid Republican redoubt that can be a major part of the battles going forward in a variety of contexts.
What the governor, I think, misunderstands is that his base is a microcosm of Trump's larger and more vibrant base.
What the governor does demonstrate is that despite his birthright and his history, Yale and Harvard graduate, neocon congressman, all of his rhetoric is attuned to the America first majority at the grassroots of the party.
But what he doesn't understand here is that even if, theoretically, He could figure out some way to get by Trump and win the Republican nomination.
He would need a subset of every single Trump voter to support him to have any chance against the Democratic nominee.
And now that he has not stepped up for Trump in his time of need, despite all these taunts, I think that he's irreparably damaged among some substantial subset of Trump voters who he will never be able to win back should his career finish.
I think he's on a negative career path here anyway, and here I guess is the point.
One, If I had a dollar for every single person who knows that I know and occasionally speak to the President, who's told me to tell him to stop attacking DeSantis, that it was dividing the movement, that it was hurting Trump, let me be very clear.
Donald Trump is his own man.
Donald Trump decides what he's going to post and what he's going to say.
He'll listen to your advice, but it is up to him as to whether he will take it.
And his combative style, which many have second-guessed here, has had its intended effect.
Uh, as reflected in of all places, the New York Times you had a piece by Nate Silver the other day that demonstrates that Trump's polling numbers have improved dramatically while DeSantis is in the dissent.
So the attacks on dissent have worked from Trump's point of view.
And now, Ron has compounded his political problem by seeming to attack Trump at the exact time that Trump needed support within the broader America First movement.
It is really, it is epically bad timing at an absolute minimum.
And then this flip-flop-flip on Ukraine, just, I mean, really inartful.
I also hear that the book tour is not going all that well.
You have a situation in which having spent millions of dollars both on television and cable and digital advertising in Florida, DeSantis was at his high watermark both here and nationally having spent a huge amount of money on digital fundraising advertising Targeted at Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Georgia, and so on.
But we're coming out of that halo now.
Trump's base always gravitates to him when he's under attack and also when he plays the injured party, which he's an expert at.
And I really think this is not going to work out well for the governor.
All right, we're going to have to leave it there.
We're going to come up with Coy Griffin, the founder of Cowboys for Trump, who has got caught up in the entire January 6th controversy.
One of those very people that Darren has talked about here today.
I want to thank Dr. Darren Beatty for joining us.
And folks, if you have not subscribed to revolver.news, please go there now and do so.
It is an invaluable source of truth.
Thanks for being with us.
Thank you.
Alright folks, there you have it.
Dr. Darren Beatty breaks down for us His incisive piece on why this New York grand jury and potential indictment is really the nuclear option for a growingly hysterical deep state that does not want to face Donald Trump in the 2024 election and will use any legal device, federal or state, to try to destroy his candidacy.
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All right, let's go to our next guest.
We have with us Coy Griffin, who is the founder of Cowboys for Trump.
He has been the victim of great injustice and we're going to break that down for you as he joins us now.
Roger, what an honor it is to be on with you.
Thank you for having me.
So, I believe you're still in Florida, is that correct?
That's right, down here in sunny Florida.
This is the farthest south in Florida I've ever been on this trip and what an amazing, what an amazing trip it's been.
So last night you were at Mar-a-Lago as a guest of one of the members there, he's a mutual friend of ours.
How'd you like the place?
Oh, it's unbelievable, unbelievable.
What an amazing property, what an amazing environment and atmosphere.
You know, I mean, I got to have dinner with Tito Ortiz, you know, I mean, anybody that's been around the UFC knows the name Tito Ortiz.
So it was just to meet those kinds of people and just to be a part of it and to sit two tables over from President Trump as he had dinner.
What an amazing opportunity.
Very grateful.
Doesn't the president look great?
And this whole idea that he's frazzled, he's hysterical, it's all BS.
I mean, every time I've talked to him, he's been cool as a cucumber.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know, last night, he was joking with the crowd and he was enjoying himself.
And with the news that we got today, we're very excited to hear that, you know, that the charges that We're brought against Trump, have been dropped, and now it looks like the New York DA might be trying to cover some of his tracks.
So it's going to be interesting to watch this one play out.
All right, so I want to talk about your situation.
Let's kind of take it from the top.
First of all, what inspired you to start Cowboys for Trump?
You know, Roger, I was an elected county commissioner in New Mexico, a county that's in southern New Mexico near the border.
We're 75 miles from El Paso.
So as President Trump was making the efforts to secure our border, and I was a sitting County Commissioner, I thought, how can I be of support for President Trump?
And I put a small group of people together.
We rode horseback down the C&O Canal, the Potomac River from Cumberland, Maryland into Washington, DC.
And we just called ourselves Cowboys for Trump at the time.
And since that first ride, I've gotten to know the president, you know, I've spoken to him on the phone.
I've met with him in person and my respect for president Trump has only grown, you know.
Sometimes in order to really know a person, you have to shake their hand and you have to be in their presence.
And I've had that honor with president Trump and he's the right man for the job, you know.
So it's been a pleasure to support him and stand alongside him.
And more importantly than anything, support is America First Agenda, which puts our children first, which secures our borders, and embraces the freedom and liberty we all love.
So, tell me about your experience and what happened, what you were doing, and what happened on January 6th.
Yeah, I had the honor, Roger, of getting to travel with Amy Kramer and the America First bus tour on the way up.
I spoke on stage with Greg Locke and Dustin Stockton and all the rest of the speakers.
And then on January the 6th, I had no intention of walking down to the Capitol on that day, but I had a text from a friend of mine encouraging me to go pray with people.
I'm a former pastor as well.
I've been very engaged in ministry.
That's why I went down there on that day as God is my witness.
I went down there to pray with people and I was arrested on January the 17th on a misdemeanor trespass charge where I spent three weeks in solitary confinement inside of the DC Gulag.
And it's terrifying, Roger, to think that there's still men and women locked up in that place.
I only did three weeks and I don't know how I could have spent another day.
And to think that there's still people being held in those conditions is terrifying to me.
Well, we are praying intently for all of those who are inside the Gulag and their families who are also incredible victims.
But you ultimately were convicted simply of trespassing, correct?
That's correct.
The government had me charged with disruptive behavior as well.
And I was acquitted of the disruptive behavior charge, but I was convicted Of the misdemeanor trespass, which I have under federal appeal right now because that place was not marked, Roger.
We didn't, I didn't know there was a restricted zone or an unauthorized zone around the Capitol.
There was no signs.
There was nothing that would indicate that that area was off limits to the public.
So I have a strong appeal on that.
But what really brings me to Florida this weekend is a meeting that I'm going to have tonight.
With some great men that know the law.
And we're going to discuss a recent court order by a state district court judge that removed me from office on ground of insurrection.
And you know, you're in the legal game, Roger.
You know the names of Lawrence Tribe, Erwin Schermansky, Dan Abrams, the NAACP.
They all entered into this lawsuit against me on ground of insurrection.
And a district court judge removed me from my Seat as a county commissioner through a civil lawsuit on a bench trial.
So tonight we're going to discuss what that looks like and possible avenues to go to the United States Supreme Court is where I hope it winds up.
So in essence, I think they are falsely claiming that you have violated the 14th Amendment Clause 3 of the Constitution because you participated, according to them, broadly in an insurrection.
But you are not charged with seditious conspiracy.
You are not charged with insurrection.
You were charged with any crime that fundamentally questions your loyalty or an effort on your behalf to undermine the country.
You're simply charged and convicted at this point of trespassing.
And I know this went to the New Mexico Supreme Court because they removed you from the Otero County Commission on this basis.
And I said, well, what was the charge?
Then when I investigated what you'd actually been charged and convicted of, I don't think that the New Mexico Supreme Court acted properly here.
And I'm very hopeful that you will have a federal appeal.
Again, Coy Griffin is a perfect example of the two-tiered justice system.
Dan Abrams, entering this case, knowing that you have not been convicted of seditious conspiracy or any charge that would underline treason or active insurrection against the government, it shows that his representations in court here are totally fraudulent.
He should actually be disciplined.
Not that I think that's going to happen, unfortunately, in our broken system.
I'm very hopeful that your appeal can go forward.
These things are very expensive, as I think I can tell you.
I had to raise three and a half million dollars for my own legal defense.
Now, credibly, Hunter Biden's lawyers are threatening to sue me simply because I have discussed the contents of his laptop.
Any claim that I was involved in the process by which his laptop contents became public is completely false, although there is this
character, Kevin Morris, who's a lawyer, screenwriter, advisor, and BFF with Hunter Biden, who has this incredible Unabomber type chart in which he demonstrates that I and my lawyer, Tyler Nixon, and one of my friends are somehow involved In the process by which this material became public.
Everything I know about the Hunter Biden laptop, I either read in the New York Post, which I believe obtained it quite legally, or in the report put forward by the Marco Polo USA Foundation.
You can go see this shocking material yourself by going to MarcoPoloUSA.org.
Needless to say, kind of like you, Coy, I'm going to fight.
I will not be silent about this, but folks can help me by going to the Stone Defense Fund because it's going to call for another round of lawyering.
You have no idea how tedious this gets.
There you see Stone Defense Fund.
I still have 11 civil lawsuits against me filed by Democrats, Liberals, crackpots, nutjobs, lunatics.
Oh wait a minute, I'm being redundant, aren't I?
This is lawfare.
It's really what they've done to you, although I think your damages are more egregious.
You were serving the people in a community that elected you, and you have been unconstitutionally removed when you aren't convicted of any disloyalty to the country.
I don't even know how this could fall under the 14th Amendment Clause 3, a law that hasn't been used for 150 years, folks.
150 years, folks, 150 years. - When you mentioned lawfare, Roger, you know firsthand what that's about.
And I'd like to share with your viewers and yourself that I just recently won a full not guilty verdict on a campaign finance violation.
And this same legal cause of action was argued by Sidney Powell, orally argued by Sidney Powell for me in the 10th Circuit whenever she represented me there.
And we lost that opinion, Roger.
I won the same cause of action which turned into a criminal misdemeanor.
I won on the same cause in a jury trial in my hometown with a public defender.
So that just shows the importance of having a jury of your peers because in the Tenth Circuit, you're on a bench trial pretty much and our benches are covered With political activists wearing black robes.
I'm sorry to say that about them.
If they want us to call them honorable, then they need to act honorably.
But right now they're acting like political activists and they're not following the law and they're not applying the law blindly or justly.
They're doing it in a political fashion and they need to be brought into check.
And I think that the Lord might really give me an opportunity to do that on this Supreme Court thing that we're working on.
Well, I really hope that you will be able to appeal.
If people want to help you, Coy, where can they go?
I've got an account on Give, Send, Go, Roger.
You can look at Coy Griffin Legal Defense Fund.
I have a legal defense fund.
And then I also have a personal fund on there as well, because Lord knows how expensive it is to travel and to keep up at this pace.
But as you mentioned, I'm not going to quit fighting.
Because we have a future on the line and you know, I mean, when we focus on the greater good, God's going to get us through this, brother.
Amen.
Look, I know what that's like because my wife and I lost our home.
We lost our savings.
We lost most of our insurance.
We lost my ability to make a living because I was actually unconstitutionally gagged by a federal judge.
Nowhere does it say that if you're accused of a crime or charged with a crime that you lose your free speech rights.
But when I appealed that to the same appeals court that today ruled that all presidents top aides must testify for the grand jury, despite the doctrine of executive privilege, the appeals court sat on that until a week before my trial and then rejected the appeals court sat on that until a week before my trial and then rejected it, saying that it
I had to ask the judge who had placed the gag order on me to remove it and I hadn't done that six months prior.
As if there was any chance that she was going to undo her own action.
Really unconscionable.
The courts, particularly in D.C.
and New York, there's no prospect of a fair trial, not with the jury makeup, and not with the incredibly partisan and corrupted judicial system we have.
It is a sad commentary on America, to say the least.
Tell folks again where they can go to help you.
Give, send, go.
Give, send, go.
And if you search the name Coy Griffin on there, you'll find a legal defense fund or a personal fund.
However you sew into the platform that I stand on, I'll be a good steward of anything given.
You know, I'm a former pastor.
I handle money on that platform.
I was a county commissioner.
I handle money on that platform.
If you want to sew into me, I'll handle your money as well.
Then we'll get sewn into the fight.
Well, there you go, folks.
So, let's look forward here a little bit, Coy.
I assume that you are supporting Donald Trump in 2024.
Absolutely.
As I stand right now, Donald Trump is my horse in the race.
You know, I'm kind of a political junkie, you know.
I followed Ron DeSantis.
Appreciate Ron DeSantis' job that he's done in Florida.
I think his policy's great, but why wouldn't it be?
He tries to follow Donald Trump on everything, you know?
I mean, of course he's going to be a good governor because he's trying to model himself after the greatest president we've ever had.
So, you know, but I feel like DeSantis needs to take care of Florida and I believe that Trump needs to get back in the Oval Office and get her done because we've got a lot of work to do.
Well, I am kind of amused at the way Governor DeSantis completely copies Donald Trump's hand motions, his speaking style.
Those guys in the back, they're fake news.
Where'd you get that?
But when he started crouching and flipping the hats out into the crowd, where did he get that maneuver?
The thing about it, too, for me, Roger, is like, with Trump, we know where Trump came from.
I mean, we watched Trump from Coming up through business and real estate and into TV.
And, you know, we know Trump because we watch Trump, but like with DeSantis, I think he's very heavily invested in.
And, um, you know, I don't think he's got the grassroots, uh, organic, um, base that Trump has, you know, DeSantis is.
He's going to be probably more easily influenced by money and by big donors than he is by the American people.
And I think that's the biggest difference between the two that I see.
So back in New Mexico, is there anybody lining up for Ron DeSantis?
And if they are, who are they?
Not really, I don't think, Roger.
Not in the circles that I run in anyways.
We're all Trump people.
Though, you know, we question certain things even that President Trump does.
But I think that that's healthy.
I think that that's the way we stay healthy and we stay fresh is by maybe being questioning.
I hate to use the word critical, but elected leaders should They should be open to criticism because that's the way you stay sharp and on point.
But I'm just like so many that we can't have President Trump in there soon enough.
Because as I mentioned, we have a border that's a mess.
We have an economy in crisis that we can't even see right now.
We have political prisoners that are suffering every day in Washington, D.C.
We're just really a country in crisis right now.
And it's all due to the fraud of the 2020 election.
I'm sorry.
It's because our elections were stolen and we're suffering from the fraud.
You know, I mean, it's, it's unfortunate.
Well, what people really don't understand, I covered this in the first half hour about Donald Trump is the extent to which he's completely and totally his own man.
Uh, and he, he does listen to advice, but it doesn't mean he will always take your advice.
And at the end of the day, uh, he is a combative, uh, pugilistic, uh, warrior.
Uh, and given everything that he's been through, it's a demonstration that he needs to be.
Now, I do think it's vitally important to say yet again that in this heightened atmosphere, to the extent that anyone is going to protest what is being done to Donald Trump, it is vitally important that you keep it peaceful, you keep it civil, you keep it orderly, and you keep it legal.
The left would like nothing else to have a second January 6th.
In which individuals act inappropriately and it would be blamed on the president.
So I think it's vitally important to reinforce that, because I know people are upset, people are angry, people are frustrated, but any action you take, a public protest of any kind, you must make it a point not to be goaded by others into inappropriate, illegal, or non-peaceful activities.
100%.
100% and if anybody were to get in that crossfire, Roger, they would be foolish after what happened during January the 6th.
I mean, and we weren't, we weren't violent on January the 6th.
You know, there was a lot of infiltration on that day.
There was a big story that hasn't been told yet.
I hope one day it is, but the people that I stood with, we were peaceful on January 6th.
We weren't fighting with anybody.
We weren't trying to cause a disruption.
We just went down there to try to lobby Mike Pence.
To do the right thing and give the states back the respect to certify on the state level.
It was all inside the law.
We were there because we were afraid laws had been broken and which had proven now election laws had been broken.
We weren't there to break laws, you know, so it's all going to wash out.
I think January 6 will one day history will tell the truth on J6.
Well, I think enormous credit to Tucker Carlson, who's been a friend of mine for 30 years.
He's one man with a small staff, but he's done an extraordinary job with the information that he's gotten to expose so much about January 6th.
It's almost like the narrative of the two-party duopoly is saying, what are you going to believe?
What we tell you or what you see with your own eyes?
In my opinion, if I may though, Roger, is I don't think Tucker Carlson has done near enough.
You know McCarthy gave him access to the footage, but all Tucker did was just put a few little clips up there You know and now all of a sudden it's it's going away, and it's like no no no that capital footage needs to be released public source and Directly to the people, without any media intervention.
If the media wants to run a story on it, they can look at it the same place we have access at.
And it shouldn't be funneled only through one conservative side, with Tucker Carlson, in my opinion.
It should be released across the board.
Just show the footage, and let's get on with justice, and let's get on with our future.
But if we don't get January 6th dealt with, It's going to be worse than the 2020 thing.
Our country is going to be like that snowball headed for hell if we don't get it pulled up, and we could do it through J6.
Releasing the footage, public source, directly to the people, let the online sleuths identify the informants and the real treasonous people of that day, and let justice fall where it may.
That's my position.
You know, with no disrespect whatsoever to Tucker Carlson, I completely agree with you and I've said it on this show.
I think all of the footage from all of the cameras, unedited, completely raw, should be posted on a public access website for citizens, journalists, attorneys representing the J6 detainees.
So there are no questions.
Again, no disrespect to Tucker Carlson, who I think has done a great job so far.
But I don't disagree with your basic premise.
And doesn't the Washington Post tell us that democracy dies in darkness?
Then why is there so much darkness about these videotapes?
The American people need to see the video of the first degree murder of Ashley Babbitt.
They need to see the horrific death of Rosanne Boylan.
There need to be legitimate questions asked about both of those.
Coy, we're out of time so I'm going to have to end it there.
I want to thank you for joining us on The Stone Zone.
Folks, I urge you to pray for Coy Griffin's justice in the Supreme Court and also go to GiveSendGo to help support that legal effort or to support him individually because I know it is like To be in the eye of the storm.
God bless you, Cory, and thank you for coming.
God bless you, Roger.
Thank you.
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