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May 15, 2024 - Rudy Giuliani
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The Rudy Giuliani Show (E3): Michael Cohen's Former Attorney Bob Costello Exposes Cohen's Lies
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Good afternoon.
This is the Rudy Giuliani Show in its new format, a little looser, a little more relaxed, and Florida style, just in case I get a chance to play some golf, you know, and make Trump jealous, because he might not be able to play today.
I did talk to him earlier today.
I don't know.
You know, it's always hard to judge the top news.
All of you have seen television shows about newspapers and where they have those board meetings, you know, and the nasty old editor is smoking a cigar.
He's got a pipe.
That's not the right story.
You go get that story.
No, I want this story, that story, this story, that story, this story.
Here it's just the three of us, Ted, Dr. Maria, and me, and then occasionally Rob and Mike, but in, and then numerous, numerous volunteers of the biggest story or whatever, because we have so many friends.
I think the biggest one right now is Biden agreeing to debate Trump in June and September.
Now, I, I, I, I, and Trump has immediately said yes.
I do have to tell you, because I am sort of a journalist now, and this is no special secret of any kind, I would have preferred to see President Trump say to him, and if I were doing his debate preparations with these scoundrels, I always extracted something for something.
So what could he extract for that?
He has to do it, right?
Because he's challenged him to debates.
There's no question the president made the right decision in immediately saying yes to a debate.
Because he's been saying, I'll debate you anywhere, anytime, anyplace.
You can't start fudging around on that.
Nor does he want to.
But I would have said, hey, we got two debates.
As far as I can tell, they're both on communist networks.
Uh, how about a home and home series here?
You want one on, uh, you want one on, uh, one of your homeboys, uh, CNN, MSNBC.
I want one on Newsmax.
We'll do it that way.
American people feel.
I mean, you're half that hates Newsmax and maybe hates Fox, I don't know.
Maybe not as much.
And our half that distrusts MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, New York Times, all those people.
Why don't we make, why don't we unite, like you say?
We'll flip a coin for the order.
Or I'll let you go first, if that's what you want.
I think that might have been an interesting offer to him.
And then we'll do one with the CNN people and one with the Newsmax people.
Well, he didn't do it.
He actually made the decision before I got a chance to tell him, advise him.
But in any event, he couldn't say no to the debate.
It's a it's a no brainer.
And here's why I think.
Here's why I think in a strange way, Biden can't lose this debate.
I don't mean he can win it.
He can't lose it.
And I don't mean it in the traditional sense.
I am convinced that this debate is a test run by the Democrat Party, by the guy who really runs it, the prince and his princelings and communists and fellow travelers and Islamic terrorists.
They want to see if this guy can handle it.
This is not so dumb.
He gets up there and he does, he does a bobo.
And, uh, you still got time to change him for a Newsom or Michelle or whatever.
If he gets up and he does approximately what he did four years ago, or how he got through the, I'm not going to, I'm not going to say how he got through the state of the union.
See, that was a different dynamic.
And having been trained for those speeches and debates and having trained people for them, I can tell you something of the dynamic of it.
So, he had to show that he was animated, alive, you know, because most of the time he's half asleep when he's talking, right?
He talks like a guy who's going to sleep or is drunk.
If you don't believe me, just go get anything recent from him and get something about five years ago.
Not even, no, no, go back a little further because back then he was starting.
Go back about eight years and you'll see clear voice, clear voice, very similar to mine right now or Trump's.
And then you'll hear, today we announced an agreement with a country, you know, that kind of thing.
So now what are we going to get in the debate?
Is it possible to pump this guy up?
It sure looked that way at the State of the Union this year and last year.
It looked that way several times when he's had to look alive and functioning and look like there were medicines that could keep him going.
And I also noted, and Ted, you get to be part of this conversation too, because you and I have discussed this a lot.
Dr. Maria is not here right now, but we've discussed it with her too.
We get these strange dichotomies in watching him.
More often than not now, you see him half asleep, You pick the way you see it.
Half asleep, drunk, not knowing where he is, not knowing who he is, making absurd mistakes, some of them truly monumental, and some of them just ordinary things that people would do.
He does it all the time.
Like when he refers to Kim Jong-un as the president of South Korea.
I don't know.
Trump could do that.
I could do that.
You could do that.
You get the two mixed up.
Just in thinking, usually a sharp mind, usually, not always, maybe if you're tired, for example, a sharp-minded pick it up and correct it right away.
In other words, they'd say, Kim Jong-un, president of South Korea.
No, no, no, I meant North Korea.
Usually.
But if, look, these guys are all working under no sleep.
So, but aren't there times, Ted, when he looks, how would you describe it when he has his Good moments.
The State of the Union.
There was an interview recently where he looked like he was actually alive.
Every once in a while we get one of those, right?
All of a sudden the eyes are always like this, right?
Yeah.
All of a sudden they're nice and wide open.
Yeah.
So what's your thesis on it and the people you talked to?
Sometimes he looks like a deer in the headlights, but I wouldn't say that we're not, but not necessarily in the state of the union for the state of the union.
It's almost like he's something's been done to pump them up for a little bit, but it doesn't last long.
You think the screaming helped?
I do.
I think, I think to keep the energy up, they told them scream, yell.
I mean, if you have to convey emotion, you don't know how to convey emotion.
You're too screwed up to do it.
You never did, really.
So just yell!
Yeah, I think you're right.
That's a good point.
I thought it worked for a State of the Union.
It can't work for a debate.
You can't yell your way through a debate.
But even in 2020, here's the thing.
In 2020, he did better than I thought he would.
Biden.
He didn't do great.
I mean, Trump won those debates, but I will say Biden didn't, you know, I was, I was thinking even then, and that was four years ago, right?
But they were able to get him through the debate.
What's your assessment on this?
Much better four years ago.
And I had gotten the advice of several psychiatrists who studied him about that debate.
What did they say?
Well, you can go back to their podcast, and we're going to play it before we get too much further into this election, because their advice now taken forward is pretty good, and maybe we'll get them both back.
One psychiatrist said that he definitely has dementia, and he probably thinks it's in the early stages, which is why he can go back and forth.
The other guy said he's not at the end, but he's much further along than the early stages.
And he does look like he has dementia that's progressing very, very fast.
And he predicted that if he became president each year, he would be worse.
I think that prediction is borne out, right?
He's gotten worse and worse and worse.
It was almost a year ago when he went to Cambodia and thought he was talking to the president of Colombia.
It's about eight, nine months ago when he first told the story about the The purple heart for his uncle that his father came up to him at his inauguration of a vice president told him about and then several months later he organized a ceremony in the White House for his uncle and his father.
Problem is one of them was dead seven years before his inauguration and the other five going over the bridge on a train that never existed for 30 years.
These are not Even mistakes of a guy with a bad memory.
These are profound mistakes.
These are mistakes almost on a delusional level.
But he had those back then.
Back then he did the whole thing where he saw Teddy Roosevelt on television reading the comics.
I'm not Teddy, Franklin.
And Franklin was dead for three years.
So, what I think they do, I think they pump him up I think they rest him real hard before, right?
Like a day, a full day of rest.
Whatever the hell he does at his farm or in his basement, I don't know.
He spent the whole last election there.
Maybe they have little games there for him.
And then they pump him up, not being a doctor, I can't, I am told by doctors that guess on this, Some form of what would be akin to Ritalin.
Strong Ritalin.
Ritalin is used for attention deficit disorder.
It was used on children a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, and a lot more than necessary, apparently.
But that's also true because, remember, the profit motive exists with all these drugs, and they're going to convince you that you need them when you don't.
But in any event, baseball players took Ritalin.
Manny Ramirez took Ritalin.
Remember Manny Ramirez was a great hitter, and he would sometimes not break for the ball.
Manny Ramirez.
One time he almost got hit on the head with a ball.
He played for the Indians and the Red Sox.
That's right.
A feared, feared hitter because he played against the Yankees.
But my God, he made some of the most ridiculous... I mean, if he was playing okay, he could make great plays.
But then all of a sudden, something weird had happened.
You remember, right?
Yeah.
He would just stand there and the ball would fall down eight feet from him.
I think.
I may be wrong about this, but I think one almost hit him on the head.
So he used to take Ritalin because he almost looked like a walking, talking attention deficit disorder case, but a real one, not the exaggerated ones in school.
I mean, they take some poor kids that are hyperactive or whatever.
And kids have attention deficit disorder as kids.
It's almost like it's a gender thing.
And they started pumping them with Ritalin.
Because if you say why, oh, come on.
Robert Kennedy's book has to have explained it, not only for the pandemic, but forever.
This is the Italian, I think, and New York expression for money, usually dirty money.
And in New York, most of it is.
So I think he'll get the A number one treatment, right?
Right.
Whatever can be done to make it appear as if somebody who's demented is it, they'll do to him.
That's right.
Here's the test.
If he gets through that, approximately the way he got through the debate four years ago, or the recent State of the Union, so that they can proclaim a draw or victory, he'll be on the ticket.
Right.
And he doesn't have to win the debate by any standard.
He's got to get through it without Doing one of the things he does every day at the debate.
I mean, if he should start talking to his father during the debate, then it's a disaster, right?
Right.
So this is why he can't lose.
You say, well, well, suppose he does start talking to his father.
Off the ticket.
Yeah.
And this is why they're doing it.
This is a, um, this is a test performance for him.
And in a way, you would say, well, Trump shouldn't give it to him.
But Trump doesn't have a choice.
The president has challenged him too often to a debate to turn down.
If this guy said, I want to debate it, you know, two o'clock in the morning at Silver's Diner, I'll be there, pal.
Plus, he doesn't have that much to lose because he's not going to lose the debate in the minds of his people.
I mean, the people who are already voting for Trump are not going to be fooled by him just being able to get through to not fainting, which is what he'll be able to do.
Will he win over a couple of independents?
Who knows?
But he'll give the media crooks a chance to say, look, he's OK, he's OK, OK.
And they will think that's enough to get him through the campaign.
But if he does a major screw up, Then they got somebody in the wings ready to go.
They don't want, and this is not such, this is pretty smart politics.
They don't want to find out after he's nominated that when he opens his mouth, nothing comes out.
That has always been a risk.
I've, I've raised this risk for two years.
He has an illness that is unpredictable in many ways.
And it's the one thing that Democrats can't control with their money and power and even crimes.
They can't control the disease.
No matter what they do, no matter how much medicine they give him, there will be a day if Biden lives when he will not be able to talk in any way that makes any sense.
And it could happen at any time and it could happen right in the middle of a debate and they want to make sure it doesn't.
So that's my take on it.
And I think there's not much to discuss because I don't think Trump had a choice, but to say, yes, I do think he could have put in a demand For a conservative venue debate, they probably would have been denied.
Then I would have done the first debate anyway.
It's simple, but at least you got to get the point across about how unfair these people are.
So while they had a day off at the trial, which is going ridiculous, yesterday, With all of the lying that the liar did, and Cohen is a pathological liar.
Not quite at the level of Biden, but he knows why he's lying.
I think Biden is so far gone now.
You can't tell if it's a lie or a delusion.
But this guy is a complete liar, which I caught him in the first time he was before the committee.
But I'll have Bob Costello tell some of the story because he testified before the House Committee today, Ted?
That's right.
And you might remember Bob was my lawyer for the longest time, but before that, this is well before he was my lawyer, he represented Cohen when Cohen was cooperating in the defense of Donald Trump, which was for quite some time, because for quite some time Cohen maintained over and over again that Trump was innocent, including an absolutely brutal cross-examination by Chris Cuomo that actually, if you go back and read it, is better than any one of these lawyers got through, and he stood his ground.
So let's listen to Bob.
Bob is a former Assistant United States Attorney, a former chief of the Criminal Division, and his most important position, he was my former student assistant in 1970.
We're going to play that here, we're bringing it up.
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Hey!
Hello, I've been an attorney for 51 years, and I'm the former assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of
of New York where I was deputy chief of the criminal department. I am not now nor have I ever been an
New York.
attorney for Donald Trump, any of his family members, or any of his businesses. I've represented
quite a number of high-profile individuals but never Donald Trump. During the period of April
2018 to July 2018, I represented Michael Cohen. Today I can talk to you about what Michael Cohen
told my law partner and me because Michael Cohen waived the attorney-client privilege
at the request of the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York.
The reason was Michael Cohen had pled guilty to eight felony counts in the Southern District
and was seeking to lessen his sentence.
And he thought he could be clever by going into the U.S.
Attorney's Office and lying about cooperation.
Michael Cohn went to the U.S.
Attorney's Office and accused Rudy Giuliani and myself of conspiring to obstruct justice by tampering with a witness, namely Michael Cohn.
The story, which they were floating at the time and his lawyers put out in various newspapers, ...was that we had dangled a pardon under Michael Cohen's nose in order to keep him quiet so that he wouldn't testify against Donald Trump.
When I received a call from the U.S.
Attorney's Office saying, Bob, we'd like to talk to you about your representation of Michael Cohen, I said to them, can I presume that you guys are sitting there with a copy of the waiver of the attorney-client privilege?
They said, you presume correctly.
I told them to scan it over to me, and once I received it, I'd be delighted to talk to them.
And I did.
I went down to one St.
Andrew's Plaza with a lawyer who had been the chief of the criminal division when I was deputy chief, Tom Fitzpatrick.
And on the way into the office, he said to me, Bob, aren't you nervous?
I said, what for?
I'm going to tell the truth, and I have documentary evidence that corroborates me six ways from Sunday.
I said, there's nothing to be nervous about.
In fact, I said, I'll bet you $10 I'll have these people laughing within 15 minutes.
I won the bet.
I went up and I sat with two assistant U.S.
attorneys, Tom McKay and Nick Rose, as well as two FBI agents whose names, unfortunately, I don't remember.
We had a grand old time.
I explained our entire history with Michael Cohen through emails and text messages.
I explained the many, many lies that Michael Cohen told us.
Most especially, I told him that when we first met Michael Cohen in April of 2018, Keeping in mind now that I read Michael Cohen's testimony from yesterday's trial in New York on the way down on the train, and virtually every statement he made about me was another lie.
A lie that can be proven not just by me denying it, but by myself, Jeff Citron, or Rudy Giuliani, or emails, or text messages.
Virtually every statement that he made.
What he tries to do is he picks out cherry picks, certain emails or text messages, and tries to make them look like something else.
The story he told yesterday was that Rudy Giuliani and I were somehow conspiring to try and keep him quiet, to try and keep him from flipping.
That's the term we use in the trade for cooperating.
That's ridiculous.
The first day that we met with Michael Cohen at the Regency Hotel, at his request, and there's email correspondence that show this, we went up there.
I had never met Michael Cohen before.
I didn't have any idea who he was or what sort of problem he was in.
I saw this guy in a conference room at the Regency Hotel marching back and forth like a tiger in a cage.
He was absolutely manic.
He looked like he hadn't slept in four or five days, and he kept on... He knew my partner, Jeff Citron, for 10 years.
I didn't know the guy.
He kept on pounding on the table throughout his speeches that day.
Guys, I want you to know, I will do whatever the F I have to do.
I will never spend one day in jail.
He had to say that at least 10 times, maybe 20.
It was his constant litany as he walked back and forth.
I said, Michael, sit down.
We need to discuss what's going on here.
He told us about the raid, that his offices had been raided, his home had been raided.
And he said, I didn't do anything wrong, guys.
I don't know what they're looking for.
I said, Michael, the people in the Southern District of New York are very smart people.
They got a search warrant for a lawyer's office.
You can't do that just by going to the US Attorney.
You need to go to Maine Justice and get approval from Maine Justice.
You need to show them that you have proof that a crime has been committed and that evidence of that crime is going to exist at the site to be Uh, examined.
I said, so Michael, these people think that you did something wrong.
What is it?
I said, this is protected by attorney-client privilege, and it was until he waived the attorney-client privilege.
I swear to God, Bob, I didn't do anything wrong.
In fact, I'm cooperating with the special counsel.
I'm cooperating with Congress.
Of course, he forgot to tell us that he lied to Congress, but that was part and parcel of the way Michael Cohen is.
So I sat him down and I said, look, Michael, clearly here, you're not the target.
Nobody's ever heard of Michael Cohen, but you are the lawyer for President Trump.
And clearly that's their target.
And let me explain to you how things work.
When they get a search warrant, they're looking to gather evidence.
They already have evidence against you for something, but you haven't told us what it
is and they are going to roll over you.
You're just a bump in the road.
Their target is Donald Trump.
So I want you to think carefully now.
And by the way, up to this point, he had told us when he, when he introduced himself to
us that two nights before he was on the roof of the hotel, the Regency hotel, seriously
considering jumping off, committing suicide because he couldn't handle the pressure of
the legal problems that he saw coming his way.
And what he wanted to find out from us that day was his escape route.
That's what he called it.
Guys, you have to tell me what my escape route is.
What can I do to get out of this?
And I did.
My obligation as a lawyer at that point in time was to explain to him what his options were.
Clearly, one of his options was to cooperate.
And I said to him, I said, Michael, The way this works is if you have truthful information about Donald Trump, that's clearly what they're looking for.
I can have all your legal problems solved by the end of the week.
His response?
I swear to God, Bob, I don't have anything on Donald Trump.
I said, Michael, I want you to think carefully about this.
I probably came back to this subject 10 or 20 times during the two hour period.
Every time I brought it up, every time he answered, I swear to God, God, excuse me, Bob, I don't have anything on Donald Trump.
I said, Michael, whatever you have has to be truthful.
If you think you can go in there and tell these people lies, you're crazy.
It's going to backfire on you.
You can't do that.
So do you have anything on Donald Trump?
Probably the fifth or the sixth time I got around to doing that, he said, well, I know that money is missing from the Trump inaugural ball.
I said, is Donald Trump involved in that?
No.
Does Donald Trump know anything about that?
No.
I said, Michael, that's useless.
You're not going anywhere with that.
You asked me for your escape route.
I'm telling you your escape route.
All you have to do is be truthful if you have some real evidence on Donald Trump.
His litany was the same all the time.
I don't have anything on Donald Trump.
This is exactly the opposite to what I saw him say on TV.
He was telling the grand jury in Manhattan and the district attorney's office.
He said, I went in there, I believe if my memory is correct, 20 times, including two appearances in the grand jury, 18 times preparation sessions with the DA's office.
I was sitting at home listening to this, and I said, that's nonsense.
That's not what he told Jeff Citron and myself.
And I decided at that point in time, I've got to make it known to both the defense and the prosecution what the real story is, who this guy really is.
So I provided all this material to Donald Trump's lawyers, and I provided it to the Manhattan DA's office.
And I asked for a meeting With District Attorney Bragg.
Because I wanted to go in there, let him look me in the eye, and let me explain all of the stuff that we had on Michael Cohen that showed that he's an inveterate liar, that God can't be trusted.
Bragg turned me down.
But what he did say was, I'll let you have a meeting with the assistant district attorneys.
Now, when the Trump people heard about all this, they insisted, as was their right under the law, that the DA put me before the grand jury.
So I was scheduled for a Monday.
On the Friday before, I gave the DA's office the courtesy of a Zoom conference for about an hour and a half.
Eight assistant district attorneys and me on the other end.
I explained.
They didn't really ask me any questions.
They just said, what do you want to say?
nice warm greeting to somebody who's trying to show them the right path quietly and privately
so that they could correct their error before they made it.
Here's what happens.
Thank you.
My name is- Well, we've had great length, and rather than my reciting
that for you, because I wanted to see that it comes directly from his lawyer, not
inconsistent with the statements made to me by his other lawyer, a little, some of the details
different.
Both lawyers were prepared to testify against him.
Bye.
Uh, because you say, well, how could that, this is a very rash, arrogant man.
Uh, uh, Mr. Cohen, he waived his attorney client privilege.
I don't care what they say.
They're a bunch of liars.
So, I mean, the way he, I guess he's gotten through in life is, and I, gosh, I just recently, you know, got through dealing with somebody like that.
They accuse you of lying when they are, and they make these broad, crazy claims of lying, and they hope people will, you know, believe it or you'll get discouraged.
But the reality is, the story that he's telling now is the false story intended to get him great credit.
It never did, but to change it now might well That jeopardized his being prosecuted for perjury.
Although I think in a Biden administration, even though they promised to prosecute him for perjury before the Thompson committee, and he did commit perjury before the Thompson committee, the most demonstrable possible.
Thompson threatened him with perjury.
He said, quote, I never asked for a job in the Trump administration and wouldn't want one.
There is a tape recording of him telling Chris Cuomo two days after the election, three days after the election, I wanted to be chief of staff and I'm going to be appointed chief of staff.
There were then numerous other times when he indicated he wanted a job.
So he committed perjury there and it's not immaterial perjury.
It's perjury to try to remove what Jordan was trying to do.
Jordan was trying to show one of the reasons you're doing this is because you didn't get a job.
In fact, it is one of the reasons why he's doing it.
I know this guy like a book.
This guy put out the money for that deal on his own without telling Trump to ingratiate himself to Trump.
He figured he had very few ways into the administration.
For a year, he had been cut out of the campaign to the extent where there was almost a monitoring going on because he tried to sneak on television Pretending he was connected to the campaign.
And the campaign manager at the time would go bonkers crazy.
And several times I was enlisted to help watch and I was asked, what did I think of him on television?
And I said, I don't think he's a good impression.
I mean, I don't think he's, he looks like, uh, you know, people around the country have this thing about New York and he looks like a New York wise guy.
And, um, Everybody said, well, people say far worse than that.
And so we've got to keep him off.
And we did.
You don't, you don't see him on television much in 2016.
I don't, I'm not sure he met with Trump in 2016, maybe twice, maybe three times.
So he had to be getting the message.
He's not getting in or he's not getting past the Praetorian guard.
And it wasn't me.
Believe me, I was late.
The Praetorian guard was there for some time.
It included his sons, president's sons, son-in-law.
Uh, what are we doing with this guy?
Um, so I think he felt he had to do something big to get himself in.
And I think that's why he laid out the, uh, the, uh, the money.
And then she watched the timing of it.
Didn't ask for the money back until it was clear.
He wasn't going to get a job and then started to get bitter about his legal fees being paid.
And that's when he's When he went ahead and he went and tried to tell the story that the prosecutor wanted to hear.
He didn't quite know the story the prosecutor wanted to hear.
He isn't dumb, but he isn't smart.
And he went and he made statements that are automatically contradicted.
I don't understand these guys who are supposedly smart and they tell a lie.
They make a statement and it can be disproved by a tape.
That one was about defenders of health.
I never wanted a job in the administration, one side.
I want to be chief of staff and I got the job.
Oh, congratulations!
This is supposed to be under oath here.
See this one right here, under oath.
Thompson having told you, you're going to go to jail if you do that.
And Thompson peeing in his pants when it happens because he ain't going to jail because they're all a bunch of crooks.
That whole committee, J6 committee, was one rotten scoundrel after another, creating one of the worst hoaxes in American history.
But we're just sticking with Cohen today, and I think Bob did a superior job.
He did a superior job of laying out for you the problems with Cohen's testimony.
So we'll be back after a short break, and we'll take a look at A horrible situation that happened in Israel, and then just exactly where we are right now.
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You know, there's a great debate going on about the horrors inflicted on the Palestinian people.
When in fact what it really is is a war being conducted under about the most civil circumstances ever with one of the smallest, one of the smallest percentages of civilians killed and now a recent revelation from the crooked United Nations that the numbers being put out by Hamas were totally false.
My congratulations to my former colleague Sid Rosenberg for having had the guts to stand up during the State of the Union speech When Biden said this and said, says who?
Says who is Hamas is the one who said it.
And, um, and therefore they can't be believed.
Um, now the numbers are half and the per capita rate is astounding for the avoidance of killing civilians.
And when you consider that half the civilians killed have to be attributed to Hamas, getting them killed by putting them in there in the way.
Or killing them if they try to escape, it's even less.
But in any event, this is what Hamas did to them.
No such attempt to be civilian about it.
This is a picture, I think you have it, right, Ted?
Yeah.
This is a picture of a father and an absolutely beautiful young girl, right?
And the father's name is Shani Look.
And he appeared, and the young lady's name was Nisim Look.
She was 23 years old at the time.
She is German-Israeli, living in Israel.
And she was, you'll also see a picture of her, I don't have that, but it was quite frequent during and after the Seventh, of her as a tattoo artist in a beautiful outfit with tattoos on it.
She was one of the young ladies who was... Remember, there are people that are kidnapped.
Biden doesn't seem to remember that we have hostages there.
He has no caring for them.
He never mentions them.
And all the pressure that he exerts on Hamas and all the pressure that he exerts on double-crossing Israel, he basically doesn't really give a damn if our hostages are killed.
I mean, he's an evil man.
If you haven't heard me explain that before, please indulge me later and I'll explain it to you.
I mean, one of the photos that we don't have shows her joyfully dancing at a music festival in Israel.
And then we see how she was taken from it in the next photo.
The next photo is a photo of the Hamas terrorists, the ones that Biden wants to save.
He doesn't want these people wiped out.
And you will see at the bottom, you can see her legs, right?
And you can see her midriff.
It looks like they had ripped off her top shirt.
Although thank goodness she's face down.
That's what happened to her.
That's what happened to To this beautiful, exceptionally wonderful young lady by a group of animals.
You will see no picture like this of an Israeli.
If a civilian got killed, it wasn't this way.
It was by accident.
It was because a bullet meant for a Hamas animal hit the civilian, possibly because the Hamas animal was hiding behind the civilian.
Or the inability to tell the difference between civilians and not.
She clearly isn't a soldier.
And that's her dead body that her father now, that's what he has left to look to and look at for the rest of his life.
And what, it's real simple and really, really corrupt.
Bibi Netanyahu wants to wipe out these people.
Because they are vowed to come back and do it again if they survive.
And do it again means to wipe out the Jewish people.
Now, they're surviving right now.
We don't know what numbers to count.
They originally said the Israeli count is that they've killed about 15,000, now maybe 16,000 Hamas.
There's 35,000 to 40,000 Hamas, so you've got more than half of the Hamas army available to come back and do what we see in that picture.
Any response that leaves a substantial portion of Hamas intact is sealing the doom of Israel.
I don't know about the Jewish people, but maybe.
Why is Biden protecting them?
Why is Biden going so far as to, I think, break the law in telling Bibi, if you go back into, at one point it was, if you go in there too wildly and kill too many civilians, we'll stop giving you arms.
Now it's if you go in at all.
I mean they have already made several incursions in there and made tactical attacks and taken out key people and haven't killed any or any appreciable number of civilians.
Now they're going to have to do one big attack to get rid of a number that gets this Hamas army down to an army that can't function.
Now they have also opened up attacks again in the north.
So let me show you because I love maps.
And you people on radio never got a chance to see it because we were supposed to put it on radio and we never did.
A lot of things we were supposed to do, we never did, like syndicate, but all right.
Um, down here is this, this is, this is where the last bastion exists.
This is Rafa.
And this is the way into Egypt.
Blocked.
With a big city built here to hold about 5,000 to 8,000 people because the Egyptians aren't stupid enough, like Biden, to want to take these Palestinian people.
They are not allowed in Egypt because they side with the Muslim Brotherhood that would like to overthrow the president, President Sisi.
Unlike Israel, Egypt is not being forced to make peace with a group of people that want to Kill their leader.
But Israel is.
They also have returned up here to Gaza City, where the main Hamas group was.
Wiped out pretty effectively.
But many of them fled this way.
And they were all down here for a while.
Biden gave them enough time to flee back.
I mean, he's really doing a good job for them.
This war be over, but for our American collaborator with Hamas, Joseph Biden and Blinky Blinket.
So he's hitting him again.
He keeps upping, by that I mean, Bibi is hitting him again.
He keeps upping the firepower and we'll have to see.
We'll have to see.
I mean, he's getting tremendous threats now.
There is even a threat, not completely confirmed, holding back intelligence from the Israelis if they continue this.
That came out.
It was confirmed.
It was denied.
If they're going to hold back arms, they're going to hold back terrorists.
I mean, what the heck?
You know, you can't.
One would make sense in comparison to the other.
So, Ted, we have a number.
Still people getting used to it.
646-573-5177.
I wonder if any of our callers have been able to pick up that number yet.
You check it out.
By the way, you should know that America is out of gunpowder.
And the report from the outside group is that that is due not to anything having to do with Israel.
It's all due to the war without end, amen, Ukraine.
And Blinken was there the other day making a blithering idiot out of himself, not so much because of his rather pathetic performances, you know, with the guitar, but because he's pumped $60 billion into a country Refused an inspector general for the money and has laid out no plan for the use of it.
Meaning like victory.
So when they use up that 60 million either at the front or to make the oligarchs richer, will Russia have the same part of Ukraine it has now?
And our 60 billion will have gone For nothing but to make Ukrainian oligarchs and vessels of Ukrainian oligarchs like Zelensky, Richard.
Zelensky is a creature of Kolomoisky, who was the chief money launderer and one of the most corrupt people in Ukraine.
I don't think he took a ride to Tarsus And made a big conversion like Paul.
I doubt it.
He doesn't look like a converted guy.
He looks like a guy who's very comfortable in the big money business and how to shake people down and beyond everything else, he's got everything on the Biden's.
Whatever I have, he has, and he has a lot more because I have just one computer.
He's got everything these bums ever did.
And it was a lot, it was a lot, it was a lot.
But Zelensky is being assured by Blinken we're in there to stay with him, even though there's no plan to win the war.
There's no plan to make sure that the spending is accountable.
There's not even a plan for accountability, like we're going to take back this, we're going to take back that, we're going to take back this.
They're milking every penny they can milk out of Ukraine, just in case they're out of office, boy, I'll tell you.
It's a big money for the Bidens and all the rest of the Democratic crooks, and a tragedy for the Ukrainian people.
A real tragedy.
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minute. I'm going to take up the sport of baseball because there's an article in the
Post saying that, let me read you, this is Jared Diamond and Lindsay Adler.
Let's see if you agree with it.
Every time Jose Trevino kneels behind the plate, that's the Yankee catcher.
He knows he's in great danger of being clobbered by a heavy wooden bat, traveling about as fast as a car speeding down the highway.
The New York Yankees are well aware of that risk.
In fact, they encourage it.
Ever since Trevino arrived in 2022, the team had actively instructed him to set up as close to the opposing hitter as possible.
We've been working on it for quite some time.
It's obvious now that we're not the only ones.
In a sport where teams look for any competitive advantage, unfortunately, it's one that comes with potential painful consequences.
Okay, Joel, we're putting you on.
And the umpires are now looking into the rulebook to see whether deliberate interference is interference.
So I was a catcher, and I did have the tendency And particularly when I first started catching, of catching too close to the batter.
And, you know, the swing, this is Little League now, and the swings of youngsters are very wild.
So it wouldn't be uncommon.
They'd come back and hit me in the hand and the guy, a guy would get first base, which was not good.
So I learned to get further back.
And when I moved on in baseball, it wasn't as much of a problem, nor was that a strategy.
I didn't, I don't ever remember deliberately trying to get somebody to hit my glove.
Um.
Okay.
But it doesn't make this. So this doesn't make sense to me.
So we'll have to go into it in a little more depth, but it's always great to have a little.
It's always great to have a little bit of.
Okay.
Well, there let's take our first call.
Yes, let's take our first call.
I'm sorry.
And then we'll take a break for the Mayor's final thoughts.
Let's take our call.
Joel from Jerusalem.
Oh, isn't that wonderful that we're hearing from you?
you.
Give her a shout out.
Well, we were we were really worried about you.
We're all worried for each other.
We're all worried for you, and I'm glad you and Dr. Rhea bounced back so quickly after the talk last week, and I think we have to just know that this is all for a greater good somehow.
Things will flip around.
But thank you.
I left Israel, and I really wanted to come see you for your birthday.
I'm actually down in South Florida, so I want to wish you a happy birthday and just have many more.
Well, you call me... Are you getting my messages or not?
Leave a message with Ted when you get off and we'll talk offline, okay?
Okay, thanks, Mr. Mayor.
God bless you.
You're such a good example.
Go ahead.
You're on.
You're on.
Okay.
I just want to remind you, Mr. Mayor, that all of the great figures in It seems that God chooses the strongest and wisest people of each generation to do these type of things, and I hope that you can see it in that context.
When John Cass MacFady said that we're all afraid, the first thought I had is that both in Christian theology of the Second Coming and Jewish theology, it says that, you know, in these The fear is God's way of testing us to see how righteous we are.
So the people that have courage seem to have the righteousness, and the people that have the fear are oftentimes, um, they can't deal with how much fabrication reality there has been with all of these cover-ups.
So your courage, exposing it from the, uh, You're like taking it on for all of society.
You are going to go down in history as a hero and it's just going to take maybe a little more time until people know what you know.
with the 2020 election and the new evidence in Georgia, just shows that you're like taking it on
for all of society.
You are gonna go down in history as a hero and it's just gonna take maybe a little more time
until people know what you know.
Well, thank you for continuing, thanks.
We hope to see you very, very soon.
So you stay on and I'm going to take a break and come back with the mayor's final thoughts sponsored by Tunnel to Towers.
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So the final thought, the final thought today, We'll be about the ongoing trials that exist, because the one in New York is getting the intention that it deserves, and it's falling apart.
But the reality is, let's look at the other three very, very quickly as we conclude the hour.
The one in Georgia, hasn't it become now more of a criminal investigation?
Of her.
And when you combine the revelations that were censored on WABC, that in part led to my firing, that Georgia has found 3,000 ballots counted more than once and has been unable to locate 375,000 ballots.
And without any further comment concluded, well, this couldn't affect the election.
Well, of course you don't know if it could affect the election if you don't investigate it.
This is like a Barr comment.
There was no evidence of election fraud.
He did as much investigation of that as he did of the things that I gave to him that would have gotten Biden prosecuted well before the election.
But in any event, we now know there were 3,000 ballots That were double or more counted.
375,000 ballots completely missing.
We don't know where they come from, who they are, why they are missing, when they went missing, what kind of paper, the number of motives to make 375,000 ballots in that crooked place go missing.
Including the fact that they could very well be the ballots that were printed in what was told to us, although we were never able to prove this, was a store nearby that was printing up these ballots so they could get them into the arena as fast as possible.
And that we could tell the difference because it was on different paper.
That would very much square with the complete stubborn Uh, resistance by Rafsenberger and Kemp to showing us any of the ballots.
Uh, I still haven't seen any of the ballots, which convinced me for sure that they were crooked.
Because if I were running an election and you said I was crooked and I had the ballots and the ballots were clean, like I said, I'd let you examine them from here to kingdom come.
As long as I had proper security for them.
And on the same token, I've been a prosecutor long enough that if you fight me tooth and nail, even though you're a Republican governor and a Republican secretary of state, there's something wrong, particularly since there was something wrong in the last election in which you were alleged to have fixed it in the movie Kill Chain, which nobody looks at anymore.
And the people who did Kill Chain, all liberals, don't want to comment on it.
But watch it.
It'll change your mind about all of this.
And those are the kinds of things that I was told I'm not allowed to discuss on WABC.
These are things I was discussing on ABC before I was fired.
These are things I'm going to continue to discuss on my own network or anyplace else I go.
And I'll be damned if I'm going to be stopped before the election where they may be cheating to bring out additional evidence.
Uh, and even reiterate older evidence regarding how they cheated last time.
It isn't the only way to stop them from cheating last time.
But if we show that we can be intimidated and silenced by bullies, uh, then let's face it.
They're going to, they're going to be encouraged to do it again.
And I, I, I say to those who are laboring under such a censorship, I don't know.
Everybody's got to make their own decision, but, um, Shouldn't there at least be a warning to everybody watching WABC that you will not be given any information about the 2020 election?
That's what the first sentence of John Castamatidis' letter says.
It says this is to remind you that you are prohibited from any conversation, any conversation concerning the 2020 election on WABC or as an agent of WABC.
Well, I am not on ABC.
I'm not an agent of WABC.
I'm not prohibited from any conversation I want to have about the election.
And I never knew that I was, because the big lie in there is that I was constantly warned.
Easily proven by the fact that how could I have said it so many times if I was constantly warned?
And when I first found out about it?
Out.
I'm not anyone's stooge.
God bless you.
Pray for the Israeli people, pray for the people of America, and God bless America.
I see you at eight o'clock at night, right here.
I see you at nine o'clock at night, right here.
Sometimes when our minds are busy to get it all out what's in mind?
And I, I am feeling a little peculiar.
And so I wake in the morning and I step outside and I take a deep breath and I get real high.
And I scream from the top of my lungs, what's going on?
And I say, hey, yeah, yeah, hey, yeah, yeah.
I said, hey, what's going on?
And I say, hey, yeah, yeah, hey, yeah, yeah.
I said, hey, what's going on?
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