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July 31, 2020 - Rudy Giuliani
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Exposing Black Lives Matter | David Harris Jr and Rudy Giuliani | Ep. 57
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We are able to apply our God-given common sense.
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Hello, this is Rudy Giuliani with Rudy Giuliani's Common Sense.
Today we have the honor of interviewing David Harris Jr.
And I hope you know that just a week ago David interviewed me.
So this is like a home and home series.
I thought the interview was really interesting and really in-depth, and I think David has an awful lot to offer and explain about what we're going through right now, which seems to me like a crisis.
David, thank you for joining us.
Absolutely, Mayor.
It's an absolute pleasure and honor, sir.
Thank you for having me.
David, I wake up this morning, like for the last four or five weeks, and I see riots Almost every day in at least seven or eight cities, nine cities, some of them terrible.
Like, Portland looks to me like Vietnam.
I can't even see the people.
There's so much smoke and fire, I can't even see the people.
Every day, we've got a 17-year-old killed.
We had a 17-year-old killed here in New York City over the weekend.
A one-year-old, a five-year-old.
We get 20 murders in Chicago.
What do we do about this and how do we explain it?
And then we'll go into the details, but just like your general view of it.
Well, I think, Mayor, it is really important that we identify exactly what this group, Black Lives Matter, is.
I truly believe they're a domestic terrorist organization cloaking themselves in a phrase that nobody can argue with.
Similar to Planned Parenthood, who wants to argue with, you know, why you should plan parenthood.
Yet that's not what Planned Parenthood's all about.
They're all about murdering babies and then selling baby parts.
Black Lives Matter has cloaked themselves in this social justice cause with inflated numbers, with a perception of blacks being hunted down by cops and shot at record pace, which is just not true.
It's not the facts.
Actually, police violence and even police on unarmed individuals, black, white, Hispanic, but especially blacks, is what we're talking about.
has declined over the last several years.
Last year, there was 10 unarmed black men that were shot and killed by police.
Five of those instances, the individuals actually were wrestling with the officer or trying to aggressively, you know, go after the officer or his weapon.
Two of those, the cops were actually charged criminally.
One was considered an accident.
But I mean, again, we're talking about 10.
Yet this entire movement of Black Lives Matter is sucking in all of the people that are in the middle that actually think that there's this systemic problem with racism in our country that's keeping black Americans down.
When I don't think anything could be further from the truth.
We live in the greatest country in the world that's provided the most opportunity to all ethnic backgrounds.
Anybody that wants to make something of themselves in this country, they have the ability and the opportunity to do it.
But this movement has cloaked itself in a lie.
And it's sucking in a whole lot of people that don't really see what's going on and are just kind of going along with the flow and trying not to ruffle any feathers.
And it's truly a sad state of affairs.
You know, the first thing people I think should know about them is that they're funded in large part by George Soros.
Yes.
He's also the one that funded many of these district attorneys who I would consider criminal-friendly, police-hating district attorneys who let the rioters out as soon as they get arrested.
The woman in St.
Louis who's charging those people with all sorts of crimes for defending themselves, that's a George Soros plant, and a lot of their money comes from George Soros, but the person that gets their money, it's almost like a flow-through, is a woman named Susan Rosenberg.
Now, I know Susan Rosenberg because she was prosecuted by the Justice Department when I was there.
Susan Rosenberg is a convicted terrorist.
Yes.
She was sentenced to 58 years in jail, I believe.
She should be in jail for the number of police officers that were killed.
And then she was pardoned when Clinton gave all those dirty pardons, you know, as he was leaving office, when he pardoned Mark Rich, another group of terrorists.
Big question as to whether he got money for a lot of that.
All of a sudden, she got pardoned.
And do you know who got her her pardon?
You'd be shocked.
I just figured that out through the literature.
Who?
Jerry Nadler.
Really?
Jerry Nadler, that's when he was actually morbidly obese.
Wow.
Now he's just obese, but he was morbidly obese then.
He got her the pardon.
And I want to find out why Jerry Nadler would get a person who was dedicated to killing
police officers.
At her sentence, Susan Rosenberg said, I have remorse.
So everybody thought she was going to say something.
She was sorry.
I have remorse because when I got arrested, I didn't shoot it out with the police.
At least I could have taken them down with me.
And we let her out?
Unbelievable.
It's one thing to give somebody a pardon who at least is willing to say, I'm sorry, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
It's another thing to say, I still want to kill police and overthrow your country.
And she found, now she found her vehicle.
So to think that Black Lives Matter is an entirely black group is also wrong.
Yes.
A lot of the financing, a lot of the direction, a lot of the coordination with Marxist groups elsewhere, you got a lot of white people involved in it, and you have a lot of anarchists involved in it.
And it's part of a big movement to change our way of life, to basically change both our government and our way of life.
The first thing they put out when they formed, the three women formed, their first thing, their first goal didn't have to do with police brutality.
It had to do with doing away with the nuclear family because it was destroying the black community.
Now, that's short for doing away with fathers.
Yes.
Now, David, explain to me how anybody with half a brain would want to have less fathers in a society, not just in the black community, but all throughout our society now.
We have too many fatherless children and the outcomes for them, unfortunately, are much worse.
These are just facts that if you have a mother and a father.
Now, sometimes a mother by herself can do a great job, but she's working against the odds.
Yeah, she is.
So how does the black community, which I know realizes the importance of family, How does the black community react to something like that?
They just don't hear it, I don't think.
Like, the white people don't hear that.
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Yeah, I don't I don't think that they are hearing that.
That's not the message that the mainstream media, the liberal media, even Fox is really talking about too much.
It's a message that we've got to try to get out there.
You know, it saddens me when I see very prominent pastors, ministers in the black community.
And I'm talking about, you know, mega church pastors.
I won't say his name, but I just recently saw a message that he said where he was basically showing support for Black Lives Matter.
And here is this is a Christian pastor.
I say he obviously doesn't know what these people stand for.
He obviously doesn't know that they are anti-faith, they are anti-God, they're anti-the family
unit the way that God created and constructed our family foundation should be.
They're anti everything that has to do with what the black community in this country used to hold so dear.
We've been a rich culture and have a rich heritage of faith in God and belief in overcoming obstacles and God's goodness and protecting the lives of unborn babies.
And it saddens me that so many believers, especially Christians and especially Christian pastors, Don't see and know this for what it is.
It is an absolute onslaught attack from the enemy against Christian values, against family, against everything that the black community used to hold so dear.
So they need to hear about it.
They need to wake up.
We all better wake up.
Because if this movement is not labeled what it is, if it's not perceived as what it is, it's something that could continue to grow and suck into it the minds that are not clear on the facts.
And then you've got to reverse, you've got to reverse racism that's starting to happen.
We're now blacks, you know, I've seen some of the black community that feel like now they're better than, than, than white.
So we've been oppressed and now we're, we're better.
And, and Nick Cannon came out and shared those sentiments that, well, it's because of our dark skin that actually we have, you know, something better.
No, no, no.
It's, it's an identity crisis that people are dealing with.
People are dealing with an identity crisis.
And that's where, as a believer, as a person of faith, I know my identity doesn't come from my skin color.
It comes from my Creator.
And that gives me confidence to then move forward and act and operate in this life with faith, courage, love, and support of my family, my wife.
But I'm the target.
I've been married 26 years to my high school sweetheart.
We have two amazing daughters.
We've got a solid family.
I see the pictures.
I'm going to be the enemy.
Your daughters are lovely.
I see the pictures on Instagram.
Thank you.
It's really very endearing and it's wonderful.
Look, it's the best part of your life.
I have two children.
Last week, my son and I won a father-son golf tournament.
Oh, wow.
All because of him.
Wow.
And it's my proudest trophy.
I mean, I would show it to you, but it's in the other room.
I show everybody that comes in here.
It's like I won it, you know.
I really didn't win it.
I was on his back.
He was a professional golfer before.
He works for President Trump now.
In fact, he's President Trump's favorite partner.
That's awesome.
One of the reasons I'm so close to the president, because the president acted like an uncle to my son and really helped him a lot in many ways.
People have no idea what a good man Donald Trump is.
Because he's tough, and I was like that when I was mayor.
I was running a city that had 2,400 murders, two riots before I became mayor, organized crime, terrorism, every problem in the world.
If I was a marshmallow, they'd have walked all over me.
I had to be tough.
Yeah.
But when that ended, I became who I really was.
I didn't have to be that tough during September 11.
He's the same way.
If you see the compassion that he has for people, it's amazing.
It's amazing that they attack him this much.
But getting back to the main part of it, the other thing, which I'm sure you know, but nobody else knows, and part of this is to educate them, they are in favor of abortion.
Yeah.
Abortion, I mean, right up to the very end.
Like the moment before the baby comes out of the womb, you can kill the baby.
And you know, I would like to question them if they also subscribe to that idiot Governor Northam's... Infanticide.
...statement.
Yeah.
I mean, how does that guy survive having said that?
He basically said you can commit murder.
I don't care what you think about abortion.
I mean, I do, but let's put that aside.
Whatever you think about abortion.
Now the baby is out of the womb, and this idiot says the mother and the doctor have a little time to think about what they're going to do.
Absolutely disgusting.
So evil.
It just shows how crazy we've become, David.
Well, I think it shows you how crazy the Democrat Party have become and the liberals have become.
I mean, I don't think that's a message that's being championed.
I mean, we know it's not from the conservative side.
You know, that's one of the main reasons why I did not vote for Obama.
You know, I was excited for the opportunity to vote for a black man for president.
You mean when he first ran in 08?
Back in 08?
Yeah.
That must have been a difficult choice.
When I was young, I supported Jack Kennedy because he was a Catholic.
And as Catholics, back then, this was in the 50s and 60s, we felt somewhat discriminated against.
And as Italians, we felt discriminated against.
You know that Italians are the second most lynched group?
Yes.
No one knows now.
Second most lynched group, Jews are third.
Of course, blacks by far the most.
Yeah.
But I can empathize with that.
When you identify with something that was part of you, a lot of politics falls aside.
So how did you make that decision?
Well, I did what my mom had raised me and taught me to do.
And when I did speak to her, she's in heaven right now.
But when I did talk to her, she said, David, pay attention to how he votes.
how he's voted on the issues that matter to you.
You know, think for yourself, do your own research.
And so when I began to research how he voted on issues of abortion,
and found out that he voted in favor of partial birth abortion,
where literally they have to dismember the baby because it's so big,
and suck it out in pieces out of the woman, because they can do it up until the point of birth.
And then when I found out that he had voted against a bill that would have provided medical treatment to babies that
survived abortions, I said, I don't care what color this guy is,
he's not getting my vote.
You know, if that's off with somebody's moral compass, harming a baby, who could ever conceive of harming a baby
that's been out of the womb one hour or one day, yet one hour outside of the womb compared to one hour
before it comes out of the womb is somehow okay in the minds and hearts of these Democrats that believe
that abortion, partial birth abortion is okay.
If that's off with somebody's moral compass, then what the heck else is off with their moral compass?
Because to me, that's a huge issue.
You know, what you just described It's probably one of the biggest problems we have.
What you said was, you went and read.
You didn't just listen to NBC, CBS, ABC, even Fox, whatever.
You were inclined toward this man because you could identify with him.
Then you went and read about him to find out who is he really.
Now if people would, for example, Let's say black people 60% and more favor vouchers.
Yeah.
They favor and I favor vouchers.
Always have.
Because I think that parents are going to make a better choice for their children than the government bureaucrats.
Absolutely.
I'd even put the public school systems on a voucher system.
So you get to pick your public school and then we got to work with who gets in and who doesn't get in.
Anything, when I ran or was sort of in charge of the New York City school system, I only had two out of five votes, but I tried to run it.
I always tried to do anything I could to get the parents involved.
If I could get the parents into the classroom or into the school room, I all of a sudden accomplished something.
The minute you can get the parents or the grandparents involved in the education, just goes right up.
So to give, to say to parents, you know, give them, you make the choice.
Absolutely.
It's very, very important.
And I... Yeah, school choice is huge.
I arranged a choice program in a middle-class African-American area of New York.
It's the area near Kennedy Airport.
And my deputy mayor for eight years, Rudy Washington, was a very big member of the church there.
And they had both Catholic and Protestant parochial schools.
There were three parochial schools that the black churches ran, and they had three Catholic schools.
So we didn't have to discriminate and say only Catholics, only Protestants.
And they had a few Jewish schools.
The district wanted to do it.
The district voted for it, which was probably 60% black.
Voted for it overwhelmingly, like 70, 75%.
My board of education, where I was outvoted, voted it down because the teachers union threatened them.
Wow.
Threatened them with having no future in education if they voted for choice.
And the people there wanted it.
And I think choice is the biggest civil rights issue that we have right now because it's the way we get a good education for the large number of kids.
Absolutely.
So most black people 60 percent, most, right?
Want it.
Yeah.
Almost every black politician that isn't a Republican is against it.
Yeah.
I don't think they ever find out.
I don't think they ever go look and see, oh my god, Charlie Rangel's been voting against choice for 30 years.
What am I voting for him for?
I want choice for my kids.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And the same thing with Black Lives Matter.
Nobody's looking at this Yeah, it would.
which has everything that we're talking about in it.
I'm not making it up.
I mean, they really want to do, they really do want to have abortion for everybody.
They want a lifetime wage paid to them forever, but only to them.
Now that would create such class division.
Yeah, it would.
I mean, there are a lot of poor people in this country that are white, that are Hispanic.
Yeah.
Some may be poorer than black people.
Yeah.
And you're only going to give it to one group.
That creates wars.
Absolutely.
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So what as Republicans?
This is a question we've been asking for 30 years.
I certainly have because, you know, I was the mayor of a city with a large Black population, large Hispanic population.
We no longer have a majority in New York.
We probably have more whites, plurality, but we're sort of white, Hispanic, black.
And no majority.
We used to be majority white.
Our police department now, and I made it that, is majority nothing.
Majority nothing.
So how do we, as Republicans, the party that was aligned completely with the black community coming out
of slavery. You know Jackie Robinson, the great baseball player, was a Republican because his
family was Republican. Right. Yeah.
How do we how do we put that together?
Because I really do think the Republican Party under Trump represents more of the values of the African-American or black community.
Not the whole community, but 60%, 50%, 60%.
How do we break that barrier?
It's like a wall that exists.
You know, I think all of us have a part to play.
You know, everybody listening to or watching your podcast right now should be sharing that to as many people as they can.
Sharing my podcast, like you said, I had the opportunity to have you on the David J. Harris Jr.
Show.
It's a great show.
Shameless plug there, brother.
No, no, no.
It's more than a show.
I mean, you should do it all the time.
It's very, very educational.
Thank you.
I mean, it's the way to get behind these people.
It's what we're doing right now.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Right.
telling them things. Because we have a biased media, we're telling them things
Yeah.
they should know. I mean they should know that the three women who run this say
they don't lie about it. They say we're Marxists. Yeah. And we want to overthrow
your government. Right. Yeah. And the nuclear family. Yeah.
So I think that everybody has a part to play.
You know, I, mine before, uh, before I blew up, um, and some of my videos started going viral and, and that led me down the path that I'm on.
I was just sharing articles with friends, with family.
I'd post articles on my page and hoping that somebody would see it and would, uh, would, uh, learn something from it.
So, uh, you know, we all have something that we can do and we have to understand and realize that we are in a fight.
We're in a battle for our country.
Uh, and we're in a battle against, against misinformation, you know, and that's, and it's the mainstream media, the liberal mainstream media that is continually, uh, sharing misinformation, uh, disinformation, or, or just not the right information.
They don't want to talk about what this president has done.
So many interactions that I have with black individuals, Hispanic individuals, um, specifically when I bring up what this president has done with prison reform, when I bring up what he's done with the opportunity zones, when I bring up, uh, what he's done with, uh, His tax reform bill and how that created the lowest ever unemployment rate in the black community.
When I bring up his historic record funding for historical black colleges and universities, they have no idea.
Most of the people I talk to, they have no idea whatsoever that he's done any of these things.
And so I say, try to get off of your, you know, off your, whatever you're used to watching normally at CNN or MSNBC.
I said, do some research, go research these things specifically, and you'll find out.
That this current president, Donald Trump, has done more for the black community than any president probably since Abraham Lincoln.
Now, I understand the Republican Party.
I believe, because there was such a monolithic voting for the Democrat Party, that the Republicans just kind of said, well, we're just going to leave him alone.
We're not going to really go up, try to engage as a whole.
Individuals like Mike Huckabee, I think, was against the grain on that.
He had amazing results with what he did.
I think you did too, obviously.
But I think overall, there's been that kind of gap where a lot of the Republicans just didn't reach out because there's been such a blind allegiance to this Democrat party that just gets our votes just like, you know, without even having to do anything.
Just pull the race card, pull the victim card.
And, you know, the Republicans are racist.
So vote for us.
What I believe Donald Trump has done is brought the Republican Party back to its roots of being that anti-slavery, that civil rights party, that champion for black Americans.
At the same time, he's been a champion for all Americans.
And I believe truly the last stopgap from saving our country.
If Joe Biden was to get elected, whoever he winds up deciding or whoever decides for him, Uh, because I don't think he's even going to be the one to pick who his VP is.
But, uh, if he was to get elected, his VP will probably wind up taking office, um, within 30, 60, 90 days because Joe's obviously battling something mental.
So, uh, and then it'd be peddled to the metal.
It would be an all out attack and assault on everything that's conservative, this Christian, uh, everything that this president, uh, current president Donald Trump has done for this country.
Um, and that would be a very scary, scary time.
It could progress into some very dangerous zones, but at the very least, what we do know that they will do
is they'll push their Green New Deal, they'll push this country towards socialism,
and the beautiful United States of America that we all have known and loved will be gone.
Yeah, they'll also pass bills that make abortion easier.
If they get a majority of the House, Senate, and the presidency, they'll probably move
into public funding of abortion, which would be terrible because then those of us
who find it to be morally wrong or sinful, if you want to use a religious term,
our money is going to have to be used for.
Yeah.
At least a compromise was reached in the Hyde Amendment that if you're going to have abortion, it can't come out of public funds.
So you and I or others don't have to pay for something we think is akin to murder.
They'll change that immediately.
Yeah.
They'll have a heck of a battle, but they're going to attempt to change private education and get rid of it.
They want to get rid of all parochial schools.
They want to get rid of all choice in education.
Now, they'll have a heck of a battle with that, but there'll be no chance for charter schools to grow, private vouchers to grow, which are showing real promise.
In New York, we have a number of these charter schools like Success Academy.
Fabulous results.
And they don't Cherry pick.
They take children full spectrum.
In other words, from the smartest to the kids who don't do well.
They are so successful that de Blasio tried to do away with them.
Wow.
Came into office, he tried to do away with them, and Cuomo did a good thing in saving them.
But it's almost as if they do things that are counterproductive to the black community realizing its potential.
They don't want fathers in families.
They don't want them to improve education.
They do want to give more welfare, so you get more money for not working than working, which is a terrible thing to do.
Mayor, I believe that we've just exposed the real systemic racism.
Yeah, and I think it's for cynical political purposes.
Yep, yep.
To keep the black community as victims that need help from the government.
To keep them voting blue.
And now we have this new group that wants to move us towards socialism.
And I think they found this unfortunate and unjustified murder of Mr. Floyd a perfect vehicle for it.
Although Mr. Floyd has been long forgotten.
These people that are demonstrating... Yes, unfortunately.
First of all, there seem to be more whites than blacks.
Yeah, there are in all the videos I see.
The ones I saw in New York, majority white.
60% and 65%.
But in any event, that doesn't matter.
What matters is what they're trying to do.
They're trying to overthrow our way of life.
And we have to stand up.
We have to fight back and make sure it doesn't happen.
Yeah.
I did think that the The unjustified murder of Mr. Floyd was going to be a time that we united.
It could have been.
And I'll tell you why.
When I first heard about it, I immediately started to get telephone calls from police officers, mostly retired police officers, friends of mine, who usually call me on the other side of it.
They usually call me and say, look what they're doing to the cop.
It's so unfair.
They're making it much worse than it really is.
I mean, the guy swung at him first and they're pro police, you know, very pro police.
And I was going to say to him, I said, when I took the first call, I said, what is he going to say about this?
I mean, come up with a good one about this one.
The guy just deliberately murdered him being told he was murdering him.
Every call that I got from, let's say, the hardest right were horrified.
Horrified.
This was wrong.
There's a point here.
This has got to stop.
We can't have a cop like this.
Among other things, it puts the lives of every other cop in jeopardy.
Yeah.
What's wrong with this guy?
He's not one of us.
He said, look, you know, Benedict Arnold wasn't one of us.
Everybody has traitors.
Everybody has traitors in their group.
And I said, wow.
And then I heard some of the left-wing groups say, they're saying the same thing on television.
First time in years.
And somehow I think these people like Antifa, Black Lives Matter, the Radical Democrats, I think they had to drive a wedge.
They did.
Yeah, and instead, what could have been a unifying moment becomes this craziness that we have.
Yeah.
But there's still plenty to work together on and get over this.
I think what you're doing, what I'm doing, what all these people are doing with this alternative media now, it does mean that people are getting their information from varied sources, much more than they did in the past.
Yes.
Yeah, that is a great aspect of what we do have, is that You know, social media and influencers like you and I can bring our influence, our minds, our thoughts, our knowledge to people, directly to the people through podcasts and social media.
We have the opportunity to bypass the mainstream media and give people an alternative.
And so that's what I do.
My website, davidharrisjr.com, it's a great place to get my book, too, Why I Couldn't Stay Silent.
I know that's something that says woke a lot of people up that read it.
And yeah, I just, you know, we all have a part to play.
Um, but I believe that, uh, God is good.
I think that, uh, he is for this president.
This president is for all Americans.
He's for the black community.
And I, I truly believe if we can somehow take the house, keep the Senate and reelect Donald J. Trump, I believe the next four years.
Will be absolutely something out of this world that all Americans will see.
That's a great concluding thought, David.
It really was a pleasure being interviewed by you and also a pleasure interviewing you.
Thank you so much, Mayor.
So now I owe you one.
Thank you, brother.
Thank you, David.
God bless your work.
God bless you.
God bless your work and your family.
Thank you so much.
You too.
That was the interview with David Harris Jr.
As you can see, extraordinarily Intelligent, very, very thoughtful man who's having a big influence on how we think, and countering so much of the fake media propaganda in so powerful a way.
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