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July 29, 2020 - Rudy Giuliani
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Roger Stone and Rudy Giuliani, EXCLUSIVE Interview | Ep. 56, Part Two
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This is Rudy Giuliani back with another episode of another episode of
of Rudy Giuliani's common sense, and today's episode is, of course, a continuation of that very, very interesting interview with Roger Stone so that Roger can complete the analysis and the description of just exactly how he was framed by these unethical, maniacal prosecutors who had just one thing in mind, and that was to prevent Donald Trump from being president or to take his presidency away from him no matter what Well, there's many, many things that he had no interest in that would have been entirely exculpatory.
in this interview a bit about the current political situation, because Roger is really one of the four or five
biggest experts on that with so much experience in presidential campaigns.
So let's go back to our interview with Roger Stone.
Well, there's many, many things that he had no interest in that would have been entirely exculpatory.
For example, the meeting with Donald Jr., with the Russian woman who was originally offering information.
That's called the briefing and the debriefing, for God's sake.
and then never contacted them again.
That was clearly a setup with the guy who was essentially paid by Hillary Clinton
to dig up dirt on Donald Trump.
As I recall, she met both before and after the Trump campaign.
That's called the briefing and the debriefing, for God's sake.
She met twice, the two nights before, and she left him to go to the meeting with Donald Trump,
and then she reported to him the next night.
And it's about as clear a case of a setup as you can get, and left out completely.
And the role of a prosecutor is not to prosecute somebody.
It's to get the truth.
And in fact, one of the best things you can do is exonerate somebody as a prosecutor, if you have the opportunity to do it.
But these men were totally maniacal, Trump derangement syndrome suffering As a person where this was their profession, I find them odious and disgraceful.
Just so that people understand the case against you and how stupid it was, I think it comes down to they were charging you with having direct contact with Assange, knowing the full scope of everything that was going to come out.
Getting that information to Trump in advance, there was no evidence of that.
You told them that there was a—that you were getting information from Mr. Credico.
That was the only information you were getting.
That appears to be absolutely solid, yet they went ahead and prosecuted you anyway.
And remember—I'm sure you remember, but I want people to know—you didn't get anything close to a fair trial.
You had a judge.
You had a judge that convicted you the day you walked into court.
And then you had jurors that were exceedingly prejudiced.
I think any other case would have been reversed.
There's an intermediate step here that I think people need to understand.
And that is on March 14th of 2019, Jeannie Rhee, Who was heading the Get Stone Squad inside the Mueller operation.
And what was she before?
She represented Hillary Clinton as a private attorney in the missing emails case.
A case, by the way, where she lied to the judge in that case about how many emails there were and where they were.
She was a partner of Robert Mueller's and his law firm, which should have conflicted him out as well.
Anyway, she has all the charm of a North Korean prison guard when it comes to her demeanor, and she approached one of my attorneys and asked for a private meeting.
This was after a hearing in Washington, D.C.
And at that meeting, she said, we think it's time for your client to cooperate.
We think it's time for your client to confess.
It's time for him to come clean and stop lying.
Here's a list of phone calls between him and candidate Trump in 2016.
He needs to admit that these were all about coordinating with WikiLeaks and the Russians in terms of the dates of the release of the WikiLeaks data.
And when my lawyer, being a good lawyer, says, okay, if he were to do that, what would happen?
She said, well, we could talk about some kind of leniency and sentencing.
And he said, well, I can't speak for my client.
I doubt he will be inclined to do that, but I will speak to him.
She said, please go up to the hallway.
We'll get, we'll give you your cell phone back.
You can call him right now.
So he got his cell phone back.
He called me and he's told me what had transpired.
And I said, well, I can give you my decision right now.
And he said, no, I think we should, we should get the other lawyers representing you into a conference call.
I said, there's, there's no reason for that.
I'm not interested in lying.
I will not bear false witness against the president.
These people would double-cross you anyway.
It would be a lie.
I'd be taking down the most important president in my lifetime, who I have deep affection for.
If they think I'm Michael Cohen, they've got the wrong guy.
Yeah, that's absolutely true, Roger.
Oh, and by the way, she also threatened that if I didn't cooperate, that a superseding indictment was not out of the question.
Well, I did not cooperate.
Roger, you've got to convey to people how frightening that is.
I know you made the right decision.
But they basically are telling you, if you don't tell them what they want to hear, they're going to make every attempt to ruin the rest of your life.
Well, they had pretty much at that point ruined me to begin with.
Recognize that in this epic struggle, I lost my home.
I lost my savings.
I lost my insurance.
Because I was unconstitutionally gagged, I lost my ability to make a living because I make a living by writing and speaking.
I lost the ability to travel, as you know.
So, I was indigent at that point.
Fortunately, 65,000 great Americans have stepped forward and contributed to my legal defense fund.
I would never have been able to get through the first trial.
But in the trial, in all honesty, Judge Jackson ruled out so many of the most powerful lines of defense.
And my favorite one is, Stone cannot raise the question of the misconduct Of the special counsel, the FBI, the Department of Justice, or any member of Congress in his defense.
That's unconstitutional.
Right.
Under Miles V. Whitley.
It's a simple matter.
But I don't think this judge ever read the Constitution.
I wasn't allowed to argue selective prosecution that Comey, Mueller, Brennan, McCabe, Strzok, they all lied to Congress.
They lied about material matters.
And I made misstatements that were of no consequence.
Not allowed to raise that.
The underlying premise of my indictment, the first four pages, you can read them.
The Russians hacked the DNC and gave the information to WikiLeaks.
I was prepared to introduce expert testimony and forensic evidence to challenge that assertion.
No, I was not permitted to do that.
This was cooked from the beginning.
My jury, a jury of 100% Democrats, Not a single Republican, not a single independent, not a single military veteran, not a single union member, not a single blue collar worker, not a single person
With less than a college education, but a majority of jurors with post-college education, three attorneys on the jury.
My jury looked like the Clinton-Obama administration alumni reunion.
Like the prosecutor's office.
And I had numerous individuals on the jury who had direct ties to the Justice Department, to the FBI.
I even had one woman who went to law school with one of the prosecutors.
And they were friendly.
So I mean, a jury of your peers, it's hard to understand how you couldn't get a single military veteran in this jury pool, but we didn't.
And then of course, we learned after the trial, that the jury for woman, who was a lawyer, is a lawyer, was a protege of Donna Brazile, had run for Congress in Tennessee as a Democrat, in 2019, had attacked me personally, On her Twitter and Facebook feeds, as well as attacking the president throughout the year, had those platforms on a private setting during jury selection and the trial.
And then after the trial, she simply deleted them.
Now, the judge ruled that that was not evidence of bias.
I don't know any lawyer.
Jonathan Turley, Alan Dershowitz, my friend for 30 years, Judge Andrew Napolitano, every lawyer I know looked at that and said, this violates the Supreme Court standard of an impartial and indifferent jury.
But nonetheless, Judge Jackson affirmed my conviction and denied me a new trial.
We will now take a short break.
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Welcome back to the interview with Roger Stone.
Well, then you were at the stage where you should have been granted, for certain, bail on appeal, because you certainly had raised significant issues on appeal.
So the standard, which people wouldn't know, is if you've been convicted, Well, you don't go to jail right away if you have an arguable appeal.
It doesn't have to be dead certain, because you can't decide it before it's appealed, but you have to be able to present a couple of issues that show that there's a chance you would have a reversal.
In your case, I would say, having seen some of those papers, there wasn't a chance it would be reversed.
It would be hard to see how an impartial panel wouldn't reverse it.
But he denied you bail on appeal.
Actually, we did not apply for bail on appeal because we had a more urgent issue almost immediately.
They argued on the day I was convicted that I should have been incarcerated that day.
They wanted me taken into custody that day.
And the judge, thank God, decided that I wasn't a flight risk.
I had shown up for every one of my hearings and appearances, and she allowed me to go home To get my affairs in order.
But as the date for my incarceration approached, we had been under the misimpression that the Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Prisons policy of moving those convicted of nonviolent crimes who were either in incarceration or about to be incarcerated to home confinement to protect them from COVID-19 would apply in my case, as it did for Michael Avenatti, as it did for Michael Cohen, as it did for Rick Gates.
Unfortunately, the position of the Justice Department was that policy does not apply to Roger Stone.
They wanted to send me, despite the precedent, because every single similarly situated individual in the previous 30 days who had gone to court, asked to be either transferred to home confinement Or who in many cases had their sentences commuted to time served, that had been honored in every precedent.
So you had the policy of the DOJ and the BOP.
You had the legal precedent in every circuit, including the DC circuit.
You had the situation in the prison where they wanted to send me in Georgia, where the BOP insisted there were no coronavirus cases.
But the prison guards union was insisting that that was a lie.
And within days, they had 60 cases, then 100 cases.
Now I believe they have more than 200 cases.
Add to this that I'm 67, and I've been asthmatic my entire life.
And we had a large submission under seal by my doctor, who's been after the same doctor for 25 years.
The judge ignored all of those precedents, all of those regulations, All of those facts, and ordered me to prison.
A death sentence.
No question about it.
You see, they don't want my appeal to be heard.
My appeal will take a year.
Right.
And my appeal is going to expose a lot of things the American people need to know.
But here's the worst part, Mayor.
Because I felt I had an obligation to exhaust every legal remedy that was realistic before appealing to the President, For a humanitarian act of mercy in this case, I appealed her ruling to the to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, because I knew we were right on the law, the facts, the regulations across the board.
And for I was oddly confident that I would get a fair shake from them.
20 minutes before the president signed my commutation, the circuit court ruled three to zero to send me to my death in some squalid prison in Georgia.
It's like Kafka's The Trial.
It's hard to believe.
I just think that the D.C.
point was it um did they want did they want um revenge against you or are they still hoping
they could crack you i i just think that the dc circuit was not going to overturn one of their
own i meant the i meant the the the um the judge jackson what what was his motive just being
vindictive or did he think there was still a chance that roger stone would
would tell them what he had told them 5,000 times wasn't true?
Well, I mean, first of all, she made it, Judge Amy Berman Jackson made a 55-minute speech
at my sentencing in which she said, there was nothing phony about the Mueller investigation.
Really?
She said, you have been convicted of covering up for Donald Trump.
That was not among the charges and not what I was convinced of.
Right, right.
She accused me of being belligerent, which is interesting since I never testified in my trial.
And as I understand it, judges are only supposed to take into consideration that which
is presented to the court.
So was I belligerent when I refused to plead guilty to something I didn't do?
You know, I was accused yet again of foreign interference on the election, which I was not convicted of.
And then the four prosecutors in my case, as you know, came up with a seven to nine year sentencing recommendation, attempting to hold me responsible and give me additional time for crimes I wasn't charged with, including foreign interference in the election.
I wrote a book on the Mueller investigation called The Myth of Russian Collusion.
It came out on February 9th.
I was put under a gag order February 12th, but according to them, my book violated the gag order.
Give him six more months.
This was insanity.
Then there's the most famous one.
Stone threatened a federal judge.
Let me clear this one up for you quickly.
I posted an image that has in the upper left hand corner, the watermarked trademark logo of the organization that created the image.
I have an affidavit from the graphic artist who designed it.
It is not a crosshair.
But by the end of the day, thanks to your typical fake news media frenzy, this became Stone produced an image with a rifle's crosshair superimposed over the judge's face.
If you look at the images, this organization, which is called Corruption Central, creates of Joe Biden, of Kamala Harris, of Mark Zuckerberg.
Their logo is in the upper left-hand corner of all those images.
It is most definitely not a crosshair.
When I was questioned about this under oath, what I said was, I apologize to the court for posting an image that was subject to misinterpretation.
It was never my intention to threaten anyone.
But that has become stone threatened a federal judge.
The prosecutors have used it over and over again as if it was a court decided fact.
It is not.
You know, I've done a lot of stupid things in my life, but that's not one of them.
So look, it was it was a Soviet style show trial.
I mean, it was rigged start to finish.
And the president, thank God, focused on particularly the the incredible misconduct of the jury for a woman.
And when the hearing was held with her, uh, to determine whether I should get a new trial, the judge essentially functioned as her defense attorney rather than as a judge.
So for example, so for example, my attorney said, uh, Ms.
Hart, her name was Tamika Hart, on such and such a date, you posted a link to a story about the indictment against Roger Stone.
Yet you said on the stand during voir dire that you were unfamiliar with the charges against him and really couldn't even reflect who he was.
How do you square that?
And the judge says, stop right there.
I'm ordering you not to answer that question.
Just because she posted a link to a story does not mean she read the story.
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Welcome back.
Roger, where does that leave us as a country now?
We're in July.
We're in July of 2020.
There's a decision that has to be made in a few months about whether this country continues like that, or we re-elect Trump to finish the job that he started.
And why is it that we're having such trouble with a candidate?
And I'm asking you now in a different role, the role you're even more familiar with.
Why are we having such difficulty with a candidate that by any other election would have been knocked out twice.
I mean, first for corruption that's easily provable, and then second, he clearly is not mentally capable of doing the job.
I mean, he proves it every time he speaks, and it's completely covered up by the media.
How do we get to that point?
Let me get to your question in one second.
First of all, I have to thank a number of individuals.
First of all, I have to thank God for giving the President the guidance to literally save my life, something I prayed fervently for.
I have to thank the President for his act of mercy and a humanitarian act, as well as an act of justice, for having the courage to do the right thing in a presidential year when so many around him were probably telling him not to do it.
I have to thank you, Mayor, because you are an articulate advocate for fairness in this matter.
I have to thank Bernie Kerik, the former police commissioner, who gave me wise counsel during this whole period.
Tucker Carlson, who picked up the cudgels early and never- He was extremely effective in conditioning public opinion and correcting public opinion.
I think- Sean Hannity?
He and Sean- Mark Levin?
Mark, oh my goodness, yeah.
All these guys, you know, Mark Levin and I were never particularly close, but this wasn't about me.
It was about the law and justice.
And this guy did an incredible job of exposing the hypocrisy of the prosecution against me.
The problem with this, of course, is when you start thanking people, you're always going to leave key people out.
There are dozens of African-American, evangelical Christians, Franklin Graham, who helped me spiritually enormously on this journey.
I can't even begin to remember everybody because it's impossible.
First and foremost, my poor wife and my own children and grandchildren, some of whom, some of my grandchildren are not Trump supporters, but they're supporters of their grandfather.
And they gave me enormous strength during this crisis.
So for everybody who contributed, for everybody who gave me advice, for everybody who prayed for me, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Well, that's a wonderful thing, Roger.
Not everybody would take time out to do that.
And it shows what a solid man you are.
Well, I'm trying to compile.
I'm writing a piece.
I'm going to tell you one other thing that I admire.
Having prosecuted hundreds of cases and I admire your courage in sticking to the truth because it would have been very easy for you to avoid all of this by just telling the prosecutors what they wanted to hear.
And we know there are a substantial number of people who do that.
When I was a prosecutor, I tried to be very careful that I wasn't victimized that way.
But you can't be sure.
The temptation was terrific.
Just say what they want, and you and your family can go lead a normal life.
You'd probably even profit from it.
You could go write a book.
You'd be a hero for a while, at least, to the left-wing maniacs.
It takes a strong man with a conscience to be able to withstand it, so you have my undying admiration.
That's very kind.
Here's what I do know.
It's in a situation like this, in this kind of adversity, that you find out who your real friends are, and you find out who the people who claim to be your friends and never were.
Take, for example, my friend Kristen Davis.
She went on CNN and MSNBC right into the lion's den to beat those jackals back in defense.
Real courage.
I can't even begin to thank all those that I owe thanks to.
Let me go to your question because it's central.
I'm going to thank you for not also for standing up so that all of the people that supported you now feel I think that they feel good about the fact that they did the right thing and they were on the side of justice.
Even today you have hours ago in front of the House Judiciary Committee Even the day after my commutation in which somebody ghost wrote a piece for Robert Mueller in the Washington Post.
We're all the way back to the beginning.
Stone was a Russian agent.
Stone made a deal with Trump and he remained silent about Trump's misconduct in return for commutation.
That is a lie.
There's no evidence to support that.
In fact, the exact opposite is true.
I was squeezed to bear false witness against the president.
They take your statement, they lift out what they want, and they try to use it to justify a falsehood.
In fact, Hillary Clinton herself said on MSNBC night before last, Stone was threatening the president privately and publicly.
Well, I haven't spoken to the president from last Friday.
I saw him when he was president-elect in his office in New York.
That's the last time I have met with him privately, and I've never threatened There's nothing to threaten him about.
This woman is deranged.
There's no question.
Oh, no, no.
There's no question.
So to go to the question of the election, I think it's I think it is fairly simple.
The president was put into a terrible situation in which he had revived the American economy to a point that no one thought possible.
We had, thanks to his program of tax cuts and regulatory cuts and negotiating much better trade deals, We had the strongest job growth, the strongest wage growth, and the highest levels of employment in our history.
We had a record economy.
And then, because he had no choice but to protect the public health, and because he had to err on the side of caution, because he had no way of knowing So now we're at a point where the economy is in terrible shape.
It's a simple question for the American people.
Do we want a man who has just proven that he knows exactly how to get America back on track and rebuild a booming economy?
his signature accomplishment. So now we're at a point where the economy is in terrible shape.
It's a simple question for the American people. Do we want a man who has just proven that he
knows exactly how to get America back on track and rebuild a booming economy? In fact, it's
already happening, even though we're still plagued with coronavirus.
Look at these job creation figures in the last two quarters.
The Trump program is still working even today.
Or, do we want a man whose prescription for the sick patient will make the patient dead?
Higher taxes, more regulation, and more big international trade deals that don't benefit our country.
To me, it's a simple choice.
And if the president makes that argument, In a concise way for the American people, I am convinced that he will win.
Then there's a secondary question.
And that is the question of Joe Biden's role in turbocharging the war on drugs.
Now, I am not a supporter of the war on drugs, because I think it has proven to be an ignominious social and economic racist failure.
The idea of giving people who are arrested with small amounts of drugs as a first-time nonviolent offense, mandatory sentences
where a judge has no discretion, where let's say a single mother of three is caught with a
small amount of marijuana in her purse, should not go to prison for 25 years.
Used to be the most draconian state in the country was New York, the Rockefeller laws.
This has failed.
Who is it who put that in place?
It is Joe Biden.
As chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Joe Biden is the father of the 1994 crime bill.
It's his signal achievement.
In 40 years, that's the one thing he would always... Until a year ago, it's the one thing he would brag about.
One thing.
Now, let's compare that with the record of Donald Trump, who, through the Second Chance Act, is basically saving people who are trapped in the bowels of our penal system
with impossibly long sentences who are not violent criminals.
So if you're a conservative, you've been paying billions of dollars
to feed and house people who are not violent criminals.
Drug abuse.
I'm not talking about drug dealers and drug kingpins.
Drug abuse is a public health problem, not a criminal justice problem.
But Bill Clinton, with his wife cheering him on, and Joe Biden is personally responsible for the mass incarceration of more black people than anyone in American history.
That comparison has to be made.
Those two issues will reelect this president, in my opinion.
Well, your opinion is a very, very strong one, Roger.
This has been a really fascinating interview, and if you don't mind, during the campaign, from now on, I want to talk to you about political issues, since we've gotten the injustice to you out of the way, except for one thing.
How do you feel—well, let me tell you how I feel and how I feel a lot of the people that support the president, support you, support me, our—let's call it our base.
They want to see the people who did this prosecuted.
So the argument is, oh, it's behind us.
We shouldn't continue it.
As a former prosecutor, I believe this has to be prosecuted to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Well, it's a vexing problem.
I'll tell you why.
Because when the four highly political prosecutors who attempted to give me a nine year sentence, which The guidelines were 18 months, by the way.
I got 40, and I would argue with that, but the new prosecutors succeeded in convincing the judge that that was correct.
Even the judge thought that the original recommendation was excessive.
That same week, the prosecutor in my case, J.P.
Cuccone, the new prosecutor, decided that Andrew McCabe should not be prosecuted.
We know that two Inspector General's reports from the Department of Justice have recommended to the Attorney General that James Comey be prosecuted in both cases for crimes more serious than those in which I was tried.
But the Attorney General took a pass.
So while I am hopeful that Special Counsel John Durham, who has an excellent reputation in my native state of Connecticut, will see that justice is done, I don't understand why it's taking so long.
It took them less than a year to charge me and bring me to trial.
And this is not exactly rocket science.
We now know from the declassified documents exactly what happened.
So do we have a two-tier justice system in which only General Michael Flynn, who is one of the greatest men I've ever had the privilege to meet, And Roger Stone are the only ones prosecuted, Paul Manafort, or, and the elite of the Democratic Party can commit any crime they wish, and they're not held responsible for them.
Mueller and Weissman and Rosenstein, who lied under oath in a hearing three weeks ago, said he didn't approve my prosecution, when we know that he did.
When's he being prosecuted?
Will these people just walk away and nothing happen?
They are so confident that the American people are asleep, they're back to saying there was Russian collusion again, as if that's a credible claim at this point.
It's an open question.
I am praying for the country, that there's justice.
I am praying.
But I can already see Mr. Durham announcing his decision after the election.
And that would be outrageous if that is the case.
There really is, unfortunately, it's been there for some time, the double standard.
And until it's corrected, this country is going to be afflicted with tremendous bitterness and division because it's so apparent.
Just to close out, as a former prosecutor, I looked at both of these investigations, the one of Hillary Clinton and the one of Donald Trump.
In the case of Hillary Clinton, every single person around her, the Donald Stones and the Manaforts and the Carter Pages and the Papadopoulos, they were all given immunity.
They were let off the hook immediately.
There's no pressure asserted on them to even tell the truth, much less to lie.
So you really didn't have an investigation of her.
They were all free on day one.
They even accompanied her.
even a cup. Six. I mean, you can. It was it was a lynch of Bill Clinton talking about on the tarmac. I mean, it was
like a fixed boxing boxing match fixed from the beginning, and
they had to play it out. And they even made some mistakes He wrote the report three months before he interviewed her,
which is completely absurd.
Then we get to Trump, and everybody around him is persecuted, and when they could, prosecuted for crimes that
they had to create.
Every single crime they allege happened after the incident.
They were created.
I mean, the Flynn crime was created.
Your crime was created.
The Papadopoulos crime was orchestrated.
The difference in treatment is very, very dangerous, and it has to change.
Well, if you looked at last week's New York Times, Andrew Weissman has an op-ed in which he says,
we can still get the truth from Roger Stone by taking him in front of the grand jury.
Hey, Andrew, you had three years to take me in front of the grand jury, but you didn't.
The person who belongs in front of a grand jury, the charges being treason and sedition, as well as fraud, is Andrew Weissman.
This is as clear as the Italian-American nose on my face.
So I'm still waiting for justice.
I don't understand how long these criminals will continue to get away with what they've done.
Robert Mueller himself Lied to Congress during his testimony.
I can prove it!
But he's not been charged.
No, I agree with you.
The patriots out there, those who support the President, We're still waiting for justice, but I think the skepticism grows as to whether this will happen.
Well, it's going to have to be changed.
I look forward to talking to you about that because you're someone that can bring a lot of power to that argument.
But let's get past this election first.
And that's also something I'm so glad to see that you're free to give advice and that you're free to think on it because you're one of the best we have.
Thank you very much.
It's very kind.
Thank you, Roger.
And again, my prayers My support, my empathy to your family for what they went through because it had to be terrible.
Had to be terrible on them.
Even worse on them than you because you can at least count, you're fighting back.
So you're in a fighting back mode.
They're just sitting there not knowing what's going to happen.
So I'm, I'm so glad.
And I'm also glad that our friend, the president had the courage to do it.
A lot of presidents would have waited until after the election.
A lot of them would have.
Mayor, my mentor in politics, as you know, was former President Richard Nixon.
And he once said, a man is not finished when he's defeated.
He's only finished when he quits.
Until one has been in the deepest valley, one cannot appreciate the majesty of the highest mountain top.
That's how I looked at this from the beginning.
Donald Trump could be the greatest president in my lifetime.
And that's tough, because Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan were all presidents that I lived under.
But he's a man of enormous courage, enormous stamina.
He didn't need this job.
This job is costing him a fortune.
He didn't need the daily vituperation and hate of the fake news media, and yet he still keeps pushing forward.
Yeah, it's amazing.
It's amazing.
That's why I love him so much and why I am so indebted to him for saving my life, for doing the right thing in a tough year.
So, God bless you, man.
God bless you, and we're indebted to you for being an honest man.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Be with you.
Well, that was a very, very, I think, very interesting interview and a soul-searching interview.
And I think you see the quality of human being that Roger Stone is.
And we just have to thank God that we had that kind of human being in that situation.
Otherwise, these people who wanted to frame the president of the United States, if they could have found a willing vessel, it could have been a very different result.
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