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We don't exactly know who Chu is, okay? It's all about ending a deep state.
Alien life, like a pedophile, you know, and it just seems to tie all of that together.
Welcome to the sixth episode of QAnon Anonymous.
I'm your host, Jake.
And I'm your co-host, Julian.
And this week we have a wonderful guest, Travis View, at Travis underscore View on Twitter.
Welcome, Travis.
It's a pleasure to be here.
Thank you for coming and enlightening us.
Travis has a bunch of great articles.
Two articles specifically about QAnon.
Who is really behind the bonkers QAnon conspiracy theory is the first, and the second is, the insane QAnon conspiracy theory is a big budget sequel to Pizzagate.
So, you know, before we kick off, I'd just like to know, how did you get into writing about conspiracy theories like Pizzagate and QAnon?
What draws you to that?
What initially drew it was I was interested in this sort of creationism.
It bothered me at the time that there are these people who believe in this alternate science, right?
Dinosaurs and Jesus.
This is creation.
This is Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve, yes.
The whole world was created in an instant 6,000 years ago.
We can count tree rings back to 12,000 years.
It is false in a thousand different ways.
And it bothered me that people believe this alternate reality.
And so that sort of got me into conspiracy theories generally.
So the shift of the country into post-truth has been an uncomfortable moment for you?
It has, it has.
And so I really, it bothers me that there are lots and lots of people, and it's not a partisan thing, but a lot of people on the right just do not believe in sort of this sort of mainstream reality or this collective reality.
They like to, you know, they like to marinate in this sort of, their own little media environment.
And I want to bring them back.
I believe that the most likely thing is that the left will catch up to them.
They've already gotten a good start with this Russia stuff.
And yeah, honestly, anytime I'm arguing on Twitter now, I'm just called a Russian bot
if I'm criticizing the Democratic Party, even if all my other tweets are about, you know,
what I actually believe in my politics.
Yeah.
Like a Louise Mensch, you know, she actually, she actually, she started the, it was the
sealed indictments thing before QAnon ever did.
Yes, it's true.
That's a, that's a weird left wing thing.
And there has been a bunch of people building followings.
Like what's the guy who does like the game theory stuff?
Seth Abramson.
Oh, there's a few different people, but there's a lot of, he's the guy I follow.
I follow him and I follow a pretty hard right conspiracy theorist just to sort of balance it out.
And the funny thing is... Yeah, those balance each other out.
They don't just make you crazier, both of them.
They're both the same.
In a weird way.
It's like what I do with QAnon.
I come from the place that it could possibly be true, as opposed to just being like, okay, what does the evidence show?
What are we looking at?
Because, at the end of the day, you are a fantastic mark.
You want a story.
You want a good story.
And this, to me, Travis, fits in with the history of America as a country of grifters who, if you tell the best story, you're going to make a million dollars.
Yeah.
But it's true that the right is specifically obsessed with some things that the left doesn't really put into their conspiracy theories.
I'm talking of course about the beloved consistent themes of pedophilia and Satanism.
Why do you think that these take such a central role in conspiracy theories specifically for the right wing?
Well, because it really clarifies the world, right?
Right.
It makes the world into a place of good versus evil, right?
If you, you know, if the other side is worshipping Satan and are pedophiles, and not even, not just pedophiles, like sacrificing children, you know.
Yeah, for their adrenal glands.
Yeah.
Then if you're against them, you are obviously a very good person.
It creates this sort of this super dramatic conflict, historical conflict.
Yeah, because corruption, you know, kind of – and a system that no longer serves its
own people is such a boring story.
And that's why I laugh sometimes about the left's – it's like, oh, baby's first
conspiracy theory, right?
Like this whole Russian thing.
But it's like the right is like, they've been doing it for years.
They're onto some really next level shit.
The story, as Jake would say, is just better.
It's better.
It's just a better story.
And aside from some of the Satanism shit and the pedophilia shit, it actually tracks.
I mean, for me, the crazy thing about QAnon was that I would watch Trump, you know, say these crazy things on Twitter like, well, I'm being wiretapped, they wiretapped my shit, or there's a spy in the campaign.
And everybody would be like, no way, this guy is fucking so full of shit.
And then a couple months later, it would turn out like, oh, well, they actually did wiretap, or there was an informant in the campaign.
It's a self-fulfilling thing, right?
If you're shining the flashlight on a part of the current American situation, you're going to get one part of the story.
You flash it somewhere else, you're going to get a different part of the story.
You turn the lights on, you're never going to sleep again.
Beautiful.
You wrote a great article, Travis, drawing parallels between the Pizzagate and QAnon conspiracies.
Can you walk us through what is so similar between these two?
Yeah, yeah.
They're similar sort of in how they started and the content of the conspiracy theories and their promised ending, basically.
So they both started on 4chan, believe it or not.
You know, Pizzagate started with FBI Anon promising that, you know, Clinton is about to be indicted and she's involved in these evil children trafficking rings.
But it was sort of a thing that sort of happened for a couple weeks.
There were a few threads and it fizzled out.
And there was QAnon, it's the same thing.
It started as a non on 4chan, then later moved to 8chan.
But it was something that has been going on for nearly a year now.
So it's just like Pizzagate, except bigger.
And everything else is like that too.
Yeah, it strikes me that Pizzagate was like kind of the first movie.
And it was like this self-contained bottle movie.
Then you have this extended Marvel universe.
This is like the $250 million sequel that has to fucking create the entire unit.
And it's got to bring in the Guardians, Thor, Hulk, and all that shit.
The story has to be so wide that no matter what information comes up, it can be absorbed.
Yeah, yeah.
And like, uh, there's, there's another element was with the, they're looking for secret codes by the elites, you know, in Pizzagate it was, you know, it was things like, uh, pizza or pasta or... Pizzas, wait, pizza is child sex, cheese, no, wait, cheese is child sex, pizza is girls, and then hot dogs is boys.
Yes.
And they're very uncreative with that one.
Right.
Yeah.
Oh, I get it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You get it.
Yeah.
The cheese is Jake.
You're fucking fired.
Travis, you're fired.
Go ahead.
Yeah, well, yeah.
But the secret codes were just limited to the Podesta emails and Pizzagate.
In QAnon, it's literally everything in the world.
Everything that Trump does, everything that the evil elites do.
There was a case where people were looking at, what's the meaning behind holding a Coke can, you know?
It's just like, you know.
Or the water.
Watch the water.
Yeah, drinking the Fiji water.
Remember?
I do not, because I clearly have not destroyed my brain as much as you two.
Yeah, well, there was a couple.
There was the way he drank the Fiji water that sort of was some sort of indication to... What was it?
Was it like... There was a CEO of Fiji water.
That children trafficking ring was being run out of Fiji.
And this was sort of an indication that Trump knew all about them.
So he just drank a water for a second.
This was actually a secret code to these elites.
Of course.
I love that.
My god, every little symbol.
It becomes an exciting thing because if your day is a day of drudgery, if you're just being
ground up by the capitalist machine and you're getting less and less satisfaction from this
entire mechanism, I mean, thinking you're in a constant spy novel and every media you
consume is looking for clues, that's exciting.
And on top of that, you see Comey getting fired and McCabe getting fired.
Shit is clearly going down.
And Stroke is testifying.
You know what this podcast has done for me in a lot of ways?
All the things that I thought were so extraordinary and all this shit, it's just, no.
That's just how the government is.
People try to fuck each other over.
They jockey for power all the time.
They're all spying on each other.
Yeah, you have Hillary a sore loser and Trump a sore winner, both going at each other, trying to dig up each other's bullshit.
What did mark me, though, in history, and this is the reason for me that right-wing thought does step ahead, because they're deadly pragmatic.
They vote as a bloc, and they're able to really act as a bloc.
The Democrats, there's this great story of a Democrat, I believe it was potentially Al Gore, but someone received basically, yes, it was Al Gore against Bush.
He received the prep documents.
An anonymous source gave him the prep documents for the debate, and he turned them in and gave them to the FBI.
Reagan received the same thing about his opposition, and he used it, of course.
Of course.
And we all know how history goes, you know?
It's written by the winners.
And in this case, it's a lovely history full of pedophilia and pizza eating.
So, yeah, how did... So what happened with pizza?
Because it kind of, like, fizzled, didn't it?
Like, after... Before we do that, let's walk through the rest of the points of similarity.
Another major similarity is the Satanic Panic.
In Pizzagate, it was pretty small and simple.
It was Marina Abramovich.
She had a spirit-cooking dinner.
This is the woman who performed with Jay-Z in the MoMA, just kind of sitting and looking at him while he rapped at her.
I mean, this is a very mainstream, probably the most mainstream performance artist.
Yeah, and they believe that this particular dinner was actually a satanic ritual.
Now, this dinner was advertised on her Kickstarter page as a reward, right?
It's a special reward.
Exactly.
They're not hiding the satanic rituals very well.
If you kick in, if you pitch in $15, you too can sacrifice your firstborn to Moloch and drink my semen.
My real question for you, Jake, is do you have enough money for the pedophile tier?
No, man.
No, I'm gonna Venmo you for gas after this fucking podcast.
But in QAnon, it's not just one dinner, right?
It's a worldwide conspiracy, and all of Hollywood is in it, and all of Washington is in on it.
And those damn kids who love to eat ass!
And they're like, you know, there are routes going through the border.
The whole world is in on this sort of satanic sort of cult, basically.
And this is nothing new to me.
I mean, you can go back to the foundations of this country, the early Puritan days and the Salem wish trials.
You have the same kind of satanic panic.
It's centered around sexuality.
It's centered around the idea of consorting with the devil.
Um, specifically if you're a woman because, you know, you have like the vapors or whatever and like you're going through, uh, you know, you're, you're, you're, I think that the theory back then was that, um, uh, their internal, uh, organs moved around and caused different disturbances in their bodies, specifically their reproductive system.
Except back then, you know, instead of getting, you know, called out on Twitter, you were thrown into a fucking drip.
You're thrown into a fucking river and if you sank you were given a a proper Christian burial Oh, yeah, but if you floated up to the top you were taken out of the river and burned at the stake Which is I'm gonna go ahead and say it's better to live as a woman today than back then despite the awful and insane political discourse but go on with these similarities and Yeah, another major similarity is that there's a promised punishment of the elites, right?
Oh, yes.
In Pizzagate, they thought that, well, Hillary and her whole crew are about to go down.
She's not only not going to be president, she's going to be in prison soon.
Not just for some, like, email stuff.
Lock her up!
Exactly.
Lock her up!
But in the QAnon, it's not just Hillary and her crew, it's like their There are 50,000 elites, you know?
It's like there are 50,000 sealed indictments that are going to take down tons of people in Washington and Hollywood and the media.
You know, my hope is that the right-wing conspiracy theories grow so large that they actually become true because they just think that everyone's corrupt and finally we can address what's really wrong here, which is, you know, the incredible corporate interest just grinding the everyman into dust while we all argue over who Who's a pedophile? Like, it's just insane.
I saw one QAnon blog post that estimated that the total number of people in the
cabal in the US is 3 million people.
I love the cabal.
Right, yeah. So, so, yeah, so they- Wait, 300 million?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 3 million.
Okay, that's still cheap. I mean, I wouldn't call that a cabal because you can't even fit that in a building.
A cabal meets in secrecy and they know each other, at least.
Yeah, it doesn't even make sense.
That's like a whole city!
Well, this is why they were sort of using this to justify that.
It's like, okay, the police and the military obviously won't be able enough to lock up these three million people.
So it's going to be part of us, right?
The QAnon people will have to... If they're a cabal, they have to be, you know, hanging out all the time.
So maybe it's just one American city that's just filled to the brim with Interesting so I actually haven't come across that maybe maybe I have but so there's Rhetoric I guess on like Great Awakening board and like all that shit where these guys Believe that they will have to take up their arms against yes
ball at some point. That's kind of touching to me because I think it's the
beginning of an instinct towards standing shoulder-to-shoulder with your
fellow man and standing up to the great injustices and instead of creating a
fucking labor union these people... Yeah, it's so funny. It's like just beyond QAnon
there's some real discoveries to be made about like how our country is run.
But it's like you're playing Mario Kart, and you see the finish line, and you've pulled out ahead of Toad and Luigi and shit.
And the fucking blue shell!
And you're almost there, and at the last second you just yank it to the right and go flying off Rainbow Road into the fucking cosmos.
God knows what happens.
How many times has this happened to you in your childhood?
Every time.
I suck at Mario Kart.
Oh man.
Go on.
Yeah, yeah.
Another major, I think, similarity, and I actually didn't touch on this particular article, but is the idea of the sort of the citizen researcher who's helping not just learn or sort of like, you know, just read news articles.
You're actively participating in politics and history.
You are making a huge impact on the country.
You're doing a lot of good.
But in Pizzagate, it was, you know, they were researching the Podesta emails.
So there's sort of like, it was a very narrow strip that they're researching. But in QAnon, they're researching
everything. They go through tons and tons, even seemingly mundane things. There's a case where
they researched a Satan parody account and looking for clues because Q had mentioned this parody
account, hinting that some big names were behind it. Because the
parody account posted something about pizza, right? Right.
Right, right.
The parody account posted a joke.
It was something to the effect of, well, I'm sick of goats.
Someone sacrifice a pizza.
Of course, you know, I thought, oh my God, he's talking about sacrificing children.
Yeah.
And so they, they doxed the person who runs this account because they are researching, they're trying to do good.
And they found that it's a UK man.
Already a pedophile.
Of course.
And then they went through his account, they researched everyone he followed.
They went through all of his old tweets to try and find something that was weird or shady.
This is the kind of vetting you would usually have for a comedian!
That seems so improbable to me though, that you have this elite cabal of Satanist pedophiles that control the world.
Yeah.
and they use a Twitter account, a seemingly parody Twitter account to send signals out
so everybody knows to follow that account or whatever.
I'm just— The funny thing to me is, if you look at it, the actual
elites in the way that they wage war and the way that they conduct themselves in public
business, if you're like a Christian in the kind of foundational sense, not in the current
practice sense, but you would believe these people are sinful because they're essentially
liars, and they are promoting wars in which whole countries are destabilized, children
are murdered, and even raped as part of war.
So it's like, they're almost there!
Yeah, just just just a centimeter further and you can you can see that there's real issues with the world and that
they are leading To horrible things, but it just might not be how Trump
drinks his Fiji water that points you there Yeah, in some ways in some ways Q is almost doing a disservice
Because he's taking these things that are you know in some ways could actually you know
You could apply them to these, you know massive, you know massive governments and shit
But it's it's directed at oh, it's directed in a way that makes you miss the point completely
That's interesting conspiracy theories are way more comfortable to explore than having to watch that latest
video For example of the u.s. Backed war in Yemen with Saudi
Arabia as their partner So watching these literally pieces of children, you know, in piles, no one wants to look at that.
You'd much rather research hand movements and figure out which side you're on and the good bad.
Yeah, and the war for good and evil.
Well yeah, it also promises sort of a quick solution, right?
In the sense that it's like, all you gotta do is expose these elites, right?
They will come a day, it's like, things are really really messed up, and it's not gonna be fixed slowly over a course of 20, 30, 40 years.
The day that we expose the elites, which might be next week, as soon as they are revealed for who they are, as soon as the veil is lifted, then BAM!
The world will be better because these evil people will be locked up.
That's it.
It's the cleansing by fire thing where, you know, we've discussed this in the past.
Yeah.
It's when you get so far along and the system is so impossible to solve and you see a system that is incapable of, you know, needing Congress to go to war or incapable of providing a decent life for the average citizen.
So you do have all of these problems evolving to the point where you do want a clean slate.
You want to found the whole damn country over again.
This is where they want Like military tribunals and executions. They have they have
this insane bloodlust Yeah for for the elites to you know, get their just
desserts which to be honest I share with them I just you know, don't I disagree with with their
definition of elites?
What's what's interesting is what the reason this whole podcast sort of came about is because Julian and I were on
Xbox Live Very late very late one night and we were talking about
politics and we're just how fucking miserable it was that And at one point, I was so stoned that I go, Julian, I just don't care, man.
You know why?
Because I'm all in on QAnon.
He was like, what?
He was like, what?
Tell me.
He was like, what? What are you talking? Tell me, tell me about it.
And we started talking when I got to the part telling him about like,
and eventually there's allegedly going to like, they reopened Guantanamo Bay and staffed it.
So there's like going to be like military tribunals and executions. And Julian,
I remember what you said is you were like, you know, you were like, that's such a fascist fantasy.
in a way. It is. It's a deeply fascist fantasy. And it is.
But it is tempting as a person who genuinely looks upon these corporations with hatred.
Sometimes I fantasize about these CEOs just being wheeled out and decapitated like during the
French Revolution. Yeah, the French Revolution did it. And it's, you know. That's what it is. You know, it's
like they want this sort of really a bloody sudden political alignment like the French
Revolution, but they don't want to actually have to storm the Bastille or wheel out the guillotines
themselves. Or do any canvassing or, you know, do anything. They want the military to like take
care of it. Right. They want it.
And the crazy thing is, you guys, we're not All that far away from that.
My mom used to tell me stories about when she watched, I believe it was Adolf Eichmann get hung on live TV when they actually broadcasted his execution.
That's 50 years ago. I mean, that's way, way less than that.
They were hanging slaves and everyone would gather up. And it's a long, long standing American
tradition to dip your handkerchief in the blood of the person who's been killed as a memento.
People would cut off pieces of clothing, hair, this kind of bloodlust. You know, it comes from the
fact that, in my opinion, of course, not in anyone else's, but in my opinion, that this country
was founded on a genocide. So, you know, the idea that genocide is around every corner or
that this is something normal, It's a good thing.
It doesn't surprise me.
Well, it's like all organized, sort of established, what would you, nations, I think are.
I think, you know, human beings are, you know, we come from this evolution of violence in a lot of ways.
We have a really, really high KD ratio, dude.
So you write in one of your articles, ultimately the promise of both of these conspiracy theories is the same about Pizzagate and QAnon.
The hated elites will finally face justice.
Once we grapple with the fantasies these conspiracies fulfill, maybe we can start seriously discussing why so many are being taken in by theories divorced from reality.
Maybe then we can think about what, if anything, can be done to prevent the digital radicalization of so many vulnerable Americans.
You know, I'm about to ask you, why do you think these people are increasingly having these fantasies?
I feel like we've almost explored that at this point, but the idea of digital radicalization to me is fascinating because there's a certain generation of men now who you can no longer you know, waste their excess energy by sending them off to
Vietnam or whatever, or allowing them to rape because now it's the Me Too era or whatever.
So you have these young men who feel like, hey, I have no job opportunities. My two choices are,
you know, the left, which is like telling me that I don't speak right and that, you know, I
said I misgendered somebody.
I'm dumb, yeah.
Yeah, and I'm dumb on top of that, and I'm a hick.
And I'm racist.
And I'm fat.
And then this other side which is telling me, you get to be a punk.
You get to go against authority.
You get to, you know...
quote-unquote be a Nazi. But yeah, underneath that, and that's what we were talking about
last week is, well, CHOPO kind of – CHOPO Trap House fulfills that role of like allowing
for radicalization that is humanist at its base.
But I don't think that America is ever going to deradicalize, because at this point we
are at a crisis point. I'm not sure if that's true, but… It's like the – there was this old Slavomir Morocek play
called Tango and the premise was this young conservative guy is living in a house and
his parents are both theaters, theater performers. So it's a very liberal household and it's
really loose and his parents' free love and all this stuff. And the whole play
is this young man just railing against it and just railing against it.
That's the thing, right? Because the left has won the culture wars, these people can
feel like they're victims even if the system is completely rigged for them. And at the
end of the day, because capitalism is like this evolved vampiric force that once it's
done sucking on everything, it sucks on its own.
These people are being plunged into a worse and worse reality.
So what are they going to believe?
That the guy that they elected is doing it to them?
Or that there's a deep state that holds the system into place so that the changes can't happen yet?
It's the same thing we thought with Obama.
At the end of the four years, I was like, well yeah, he hasn't really done it yet, but...
Maybe in the next four, where he doesn't feel like there's any risk?
And then we're like, maybe in the last two?
Maybe in the last six months?
Nope.
Chelsea Manning still ended up in solitary.
Snowden was still prosecuted.
The wars continued.
Guantanamo wasn't closed.
And at the end of that, where do you look?
Where do you look for the next leader?
Yeah, I mean, that's part of it, too.
A lot of people believe that, well, if Trump won, that everything would change, that we'd get our country back, we'd finally rid ourselves of the hated Clintons, and finally it would happen.
And they got elected, and the time started passing, and they're like, ah, this isn't really happening like I thought.
The deep state.
Exactly, exactly.
Well, getting him elected was just stage one, right?
Yeah.
The second stage was the whole QAnon thing.
My God, that's kind of a sad thought because, you know, the idea that we're just going to
trade turns like being disappointed by the politicians who represent us
until the country just sinks into total chaos is just so depressing to me.
Listening to you say that, like, gave me this kind of like empty feeling in my
stomach that I was just like, oh, that is what it is, kind of.
Well, since we all live in Russia anyways, guys, like, we'll be fine, you know?
But the stupid Americans, they're so fucked!
Hold on, I gotta fucking change out my oil real quick.
Glug glug glug glug glug.
Yeah, they get it, he's a robot, people.
So, we wanted to also discuss with you the latest New York Times op-ed piece from an anonymous insider.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I thought it was really, really stupid and horrible because, I mean, because, yeah,
because like, if this is what this person saying is true, is that it's like they are
the firewall preventing, you know, the executive branch of the government from sending in the
chaos and preventing Trump from committing, you know, war crimes and preventing him from
ending, from ending, you know, trade deals that keep us economically stable.
Why would you reveal this fact?
Why would you make him more paranoid?
You're not really a public servant in the way you imagine if you're writing this anonymous op-ed.
Not only that, but the people who are lauding this person as the resistance are creating what we call an astroturf thing, in which you can say, well, it's already being resisted, you know, from these people on the inside.
You can be less politically active.
Meanwhile, the story on the right that mobilizes the right to go vote is that the deep state is trying to fuck Trump, like, from within, and this literally goes along with it.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it If it wasn't a piece that they penned.
To re-energize the base!
Yeah.
I mean, in a weird way, it's like the liberal QAnon.
It's like an anonymous, high-level, government insider who has come out and claimed, except of course in true liberal fashion, they did it on fuckin' New York Times.
As opposed to fuckin' 4chan at H&M.
And they never use all caps, which is why you know it's fake.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's funny.
I saw some QAnon people, and they were saying, like, hey, do you notice how Trump totally freaked out over the Anon NYT op-ed, but he didn't freak out over QAnon?
That's because QAnon's real.
Yes, of course.
Well, that tracks for me.
That actually, yeah, tracks a little bit.
So what pissed me off about the New York Times op-ed piece is that it was an attempt to whitewash the history of the Republican Party into making us believe that the Republican Party was good and that the state of politics was good in America until this crazy Trump came along.
It makes you forget that like Palin was run as McCain's VP.
It makes you forget that Fox and NBC and CNN have systematically sucked at reporting and gutted their investigative journalist wings in favor of fucking fantasy writing and just storytelling.
You know, it's all emotional stuff.
Just today I saw an article on CNN that was like, it said, oh, the NFL season is back.
Uh, but this is why Russian trolls are more happy about that than you.
And the photo was of Copernic kneeling next to two other people.
And it's like, what the fuck are you even talking about?
That's just gobbledygook.
It just takes up brain space for no reason.
Yeah, why are you conflating Russian trolls with police violence, with, like, this player's protest?
Because at the end of the day, the reality that I've seen, at least from the exterior, is that because both sides are kind of—they have to pay back their donors at the end of the day, you know, but the left is more like gesturing towards good things.
Like, for example, they will run on the working class.
And they won't really change that much for the working class because they'll bail out the banks.
Or they'll run on the idea of harmless stuff like gays should be able to marry, which is so friggin' basic, right?
But then it's like, congratulations for taking that stance, you know?
And I looked at the special interest money that is being taken in by each of the parties, and it really rang as a sort of mathematic equation for understanding these two parties as compared to each other.
It was something like the Democrats taking 20% less money.
of special interest money.
That's pretty much what they've been running on for a while now, right?
We're 80% as bad as the Republicans.
Even seeing Obama speak, you know, it was disheartening for me because, you know, I saw this man step up there and say, oh, if you think that voting doesn't matter, then look at, I hope the last two years have woken you up.
It's like, you should be running on a shit ton more than that guy sucks.
Yeah, because that's what you ran on during the election and it fucking bombed.
Didn't work out.
Um, and you know, it's like you're seeing these primaries with, uh, the
Democratic Party talking about, and the Democratic Party and like CNN and NBC,
this left-wing media talking about these people who are running as like social
Democrats or who don't want to take super PAC money or special interest money.
And they're calling them insurgents and stuff.
And just like they've consistently, of course, weird.
What's funny is it doesn't fit with the whole identity politics thing because these people are mostly women, people of color, and yet they step over them.
They cut them out of the photos.
They refuse to debate them.
They call them socialists and demonize them.
And meanwhile, the right, they're all there.
They're not doing any of that.
They let in the Tea Party as soon as the Tea Party came up.
They let in the radical because they were like, they're going to win us the elections at the end of the day.
So anyways, that's the NYT op-ed piece written by an absolute coward and a loser.
Moving on, and that's not to say that I don't disagree with his or her perception on our current leader, but we won't get into that because it's an incredibly boring thing.
Also, for those who wrote in to say I shouldn't interrupt Jake anymore, I hope I've done it less this episode.
I think you've been good.
I feel like the three of us have a very nice flow going on.
Yeah, that's because none of us are wearing pants. In an article you published, Travis,
named, Who is Really Behind the Bonkers QAnon Conspiracy Theory? You wrote,
There are currently six skeptical theories that explain the real origin of the QAnon posts.
The first would be 4chan trolls. The second would be conspiracy theory scammers. The third would be
live action role play or LARP. The fourth would be a Russian psyop. The fifth was a deep state
pied piper operation. And the sixth is Trump aide Dan Scavino.
That's a bit more specific.
Which of these theories, if any, do you think is most likely
Because you ended your article with, like, who's Q?
You're like, fuck do I know?
But I want to know, I want to know, you know, like, what evidence did you just find most compelling?
Not, maybe not the truth, but the most compelling.
Right.
Well, yeah, the, um, the one that actually, it has to be the second one, which is the conspiracy theory scammers.
Right, right, right.
And this is a result of an NBC report.
We actually dealt with it on the last episode.
Yeah, we talked a little bit about it.
Yeah, so it would be Pamphlenon, whose real name is Coleman Rogers.
Yeah, doing that weird.
There is some some suspicious videos of him logging in.
Yeah doing that we were and Finding a Q post that that was not lot which was not posted
under Q Which he would only be able to find if he had knew what to
look for So or if he didn't give a shit if it was real or not, right?
Yes Yes
so also if I was one of those dudes Can you imagine if you just like leak like a if you just
leak like ooh, whoops Like I accidentally revealed I'm Q in my video like don't
you think that would just build you a better following like this kind of
well No, because because it would sort of destroy the spell when
that use like The mystique is that it's a government insider, someone who's close to Trump.
Right, of course, I'm sorry, yes.
That's what's enticing about it, is that it is somebody close.
Yeah.
Yeah, I go back and forth so often on this.
There are some times where I think that it's like a group of interns in the, you know, in like the Trump admin that like, he directs and he knows what it's because he plays into it.
He definitely plays into it.
It's like you were saying earlier, he doesn't disavow.
And we know that if there was a bonkers thing that had nothing to do with Trump, we know that he would say like, well, this isn't me.
Like he wants to take credit for everything that's But that's the thing, he's not going to disavow Posobiec, he's not going to disavow Alex Jones, he's not going to disavow QAnon, because at the end of the day, he's not really interested in that.
All he knows is that all of these things continue to build his base.
But even if all these people end up hating each other and disagreeing, they're all going to go and fucking vote for Trump.
Uh, you know, in his attempt to be re-elected for four years.
Because they want to see the perp walk.
They want the blood.
They want the blood.
They want to lock her up.
I also sometimes think like you said that it's that it's like one of his that it's like Dan Scavino or
I've also gone. I've also thought that maybe it is like a you know a
Democratic sort of Pied Piper thing to be so that eventually they can
Unmask it and go look how stupid all you guys are you really thought that this is what it was
You know like come on get back with reality. I come over that would fit with the general
You know left-wing perspective of if we humiliate them enough. I'm sure
That's I mean that's that's not totally out of the realm of possibility
Yeah, I sometimes I sometimes suspect that he might be in on it or someone on a social media team right there like
For example, he used to call the Mueller investigation 13 angry Democrats.
And for some reason, suspiciously, he changed it to 17 angry Democrats.
Which is some Q number, right?
What's special about that?
It's not even that special.
It's the number that Q is in the alphabet.
Actually, I believe it's the age of consent in Nebraska.
The other one is, you know, Q posted, from sea to shining sea, and then a couple hours later at the Trump rally, Trump came out to, oh beautiful for spacious skies, and when it got to from sea to shining sea, Trump went, oh, oh, and he put his hand up to his ear and pointed to the crowd like, listen, there are little things that he does.
That's because Donald Trump is Trump is the Q fanbase, like this kind of boomer era, like
Facebook posters.
You know what?
It could very well be that Trump is like me, that he's like, that he like goes and lurks
on Great Awakening and sees what he goes, Oh, I'm for sure.
And he's like, oh shit, oh he does that, okay well I'm gonna do, okay well these guys said this, let's play, let's play Oh Beautiful for Space Skies, and when Sea to Shining Sea comes on, that he's not necessarily a part of it, but he loves what it's doing for his bass, and so therefore he's gonna play and like give little, you know, he's playing fucking footsie with it.
He is, just like he was saying, oh, Hey, Putin, could you please do some more hacking and find some stuff on Hillary or whatever?
Didn't he say that during a debate or some public thing?
He said, Russia, Russia, if you're listening, uh, Yeah.
What the QAnon people are really looking for right now.
They're waiting for Trump to say my fellow Patriots, the storm is upon us.
Yes.
They often, they often tweet that, you know, there is like, well, as soon as he says that particular phrase, that means that the indictments are about to be unsealed.
Right.
So if he says that phrase, I will be like 99% sure he's in on it.
Here's, building on that.
Yeah.
What will you got?
Will you guys think if like let's say like three weeks from now uh-huh or whatever go on paint us a fantasy man like the fuck you know he declassifies the FISA all the shit that Q has been talking about it turns out that it's actually true and then fucking you know what like what if it is true?
Like what if- do you guys even let your brains go there?
Like I sometimes- I just think it would be a shame if it were true because like I said in that flashlight metaphor, the result will be a hit job essentially.
They'll punish part of the corrupt cast of politicians And it will become an even more authoritarian and even more monocultural approach to politics.
I kind of agree.
I just think it'll be a worse world, even if it is true.
I kind of agree.
Which sucks.
I wanted to ask Travis, we casually talked about it before we started the show, but do you have a particular favorite conspiracy that you That you either kind of lean towards the fact that it kind of could be true or you just like it because of the story of it or anything like that.
Well, you know, one of my favorite conspiracy theories is actually one that the QAnon people very much believe in.
And that's the one, it's the MKUltra.
Oh, hell yeah.
The CIA brainwashing mind control stuff.
And in fact, they were just today, you know, the plaid shirt guy behind Trump at the Montana rally that sort of went viral.
He's making faces.
The QAnon people were accusing him of being a victim of MKUltra.
They're tweeting all over.
Oh, yeah, they're saying it's like oh, he has to you must be what why else with a teenager, you know make faces an
authority figure It must be brainwashed
I mean essentially they were shooting these people with drugs and putting them like near a
Turbine with like flashing lights and seeing what happened, right?
And they were they were just they were like teenagers saying hey
How could we weaponize this and half of them went off and created like dolphin fuck scenes for themselves
There's a great great dolphin meets acid story that is like declassified CIA stuff, you know in the 70s
It was like if you wanted to be a terrorist that was like an occupation and it was pretty chill back then it wasn't
Like, you know at 3,000 dead. It was like I'm gonna kill like this specific, dude
And then and then also back then, you know If you were a CIA guy, you could just kind of go off on
your own side and start doing your own research But they declassified MKUltra and it's barely a conspiracy theory!
This shit was happening!
Yeah, but the thing is that in the 70s, I think it was 1973, the CIA director ordered that all of the records pertaining to it were to be destroyed.
So we only know part of the story.
That's what happens with college too.
We pretend it never happened and we never took all those drugs.
So that's what makes it a fascinating conspiracy theory, because we know for a fact it happened, and we know for a fact we do not have the full story.
Yes, there was a shit ton of redacted or destroyed documents, probably because they committed atrocious, shitty crimes on their own people.
I wonder if it has something to do with that Men Behind the Sun type of shit, where the experiments were horrible, and they flayed people.
I think it just would show that they did it probably to black communities.
Like that kind of base thing that you see throughout history where they value one human life less than the next.
Sadly, that fucking doesn't surprise me.
What about you, Julian?
Do you have a favorite?
My favorite conspiracy theory?
Yeah, or one that you kind of lean towards, that you think might have some credence to it?
Yeah, actually, it's not even a conspiracy theory, but I'm starting to look into some of these organizations that are less obviously manipulating external governments that come from the United States.
I can't remember.
Oh, it was called the Fifth Column.
Have you ever heard this term, the Fifth Column?
Uh-uh.
I'm saying this is my favorite because I want to look more into it and understand what it means.
Okay.
But the idea of a Fifth Column, and this is from an article by Lee Camp on interventionism in Nicaragua, Venezuela, and other… Boring!
I know, right?
But they're talking about, you know, the idea of… Peter Koenig explains, a fifth column is a group of people who undermine the government of a country in support of the enemy.
They can be both covert and open.
So not as clear as like CIA or FBI, but in this article they're referencing the USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy.
And in the article they say, what is the NED?
Well, as editor of Consortium News Robert Perry put it in 1983, NED essentially took over the CIA's role of influencing electoral outcomes and destabilizing governments that got in the way of U.S.
interests.
Except that NED carried out these functions in a quasi-overt fashion while the CIA did them covertly.
NED also serves as a sort of slush fund for neocons.
So this idea that there are like That the World Bank and all of these systems are kind of rigged and that they are part of a larger post-World War II new colony.
One of the most batshit crazy QAnon posts that I was like, this is so crazy that it almost turns me off to the whole to the rest of it was that um Angela Merkel is Hitler's daughter and and and even cute it was so funny because he did a couple posts he did a couple posts that sort of implicated which I implied implied my bad whatever just a writer or something
They still hate me more than you, don't worry.
Yeah, the, um... What I think... Yeah, because I'm dumb and innocent, kind of, so I get away with a lot of shit.
Yeah, I'm an asshole.
I'm Ricky.
You're fucking Julian.
Yeah, I'm unlikable.
At the end of the day, I get us to go to jail.
And Travis is Bubbles.
He's the heart of the show, man.
Yeah, heart of the show, man.
Thank you, Travis.
So he said that after World War II there was some sort of a disagreement whether Hitler actually died and basically that the remaining Nazi Party migrated to America through the banks and through politics and all this stuff and that essentially the Democrats really are like the continuation of the Third Reich.
Everyone knows that Operation Paperclip was a staffing operation at the DNC.
But what's really interesting about it is after he posted that, he posted another post that was like, too deep, like, you are not ready for this, like, all that stuff.
Like, even he walked back his sort of, like, shit on that, which I thought was fucking fascinating.
But it does sort of play into a little bit of what your new fave, Spiracy, My new-fave conspiracy?
I mean, it's not even a new-fave conspiracy.
It's just like this heavily under-researched stuff because there's nobody with any financial benefit from doing the research.
And we live in an incredibly sectioned-off world where horrible genocides can happen without anyone really hearing about it.
Until I started tuning into certain media outlets, I didn't even know there was a war in Yemen.
I didn't even know the U.S.
was backing it.
I didn't know it was a genocide.
And this stuff is being hidden in plain sight.
That is the breeding ground for me for conspiracy.
Once you build a world in which awful things hide around almost every corner if you look enough, you know, people want to look.
Yeah, that's another one of the reasons I think that pedophilia is so a part of these conspiracies so often is that that whole world is hidden from us, right?
It's always a conspiracy.
You know, the Catholic Church covering it up, that's a conspiracy.
It's real.
And so if you speculate, well, where else might it be?
It might be real in Hollywood.
It might be real in Washington.
Hollywood kind of did some stuff.
And the British entertainment industry was also riddled with pedophiles in an actual pedophile ring.
And you never talked about that.
But nobody cares about it.
Yeah, they only care about it as it pertains to what, it's like you said, what they're shining the flashlight on.
Right.
Sorry, go ahead.
So there is a lot of darkness.
You know, there's lots of things happening behind the scenes.
We know this for a fact.
speculate some sort of crazy evil things that the elites are doing behind the scenes, you know, you can't always
Yeah.
dismiss it out of hand.
In this particular case, it's usually, you know, contradict by the facts and insane, but at least has the sort of the
ring of truth to them.
Yeah, as long as all these conspiracy theories involve calling people corrupt, they're going to be 30% true.
Yeah, or as long as they all involve human beings, like we are bad.
Also, it's interesting to me that a lot of these right-wing conspiracy theories were born on 4chan, which is known for incredibly pedophilic material being posted constantly, like the dark web is part just a child pornography ring.
Yeah, yeah.
Especially, you know, like 8chan, which was created because, you know, 4chan had too high of standards for its content.
Oh god.
I look forward to 16chan.
Oh my god.
It's just, it's just gonna be terrible.
You know, it's gonna be like you were playing Nintendo, bitch, and now it's Super Nintendo, and then fucking suddenly Nintendo 64.
Polygons!
I can actually see the pedophilia.
I was going to say earlier, Travis, I don't know if you've looked into this one at all, but it's a newish one that I've discovered that I'm fascinated by, and it is the theory that there were advanced civilizations on Earth long before we were.
Hells yeah.
The pyramids and shit.
Well that man sort of evolved to what our world looked like in the 1950s and then some
crazy like you know disaster like the ice age or whatever basically wiped it out and
like you know destroyed all evidence of it for whatever reason.
You mean God punished us for PewDiePie.
Yeah, God punished us.
But if you start to look at it, there's actually some really interesting theories and shit behind it.
It's one of the few that I found recently that I'm like, oh, that's an interesting idea for a movie.
Yeah, it's also, if you want to join Scientology, they've got it all prepped up for you, dude.
Oh, that's right.
Is that what Scientology is?
I thought that they were about spirits and volcanoes.
Now, come on.
Well, it's like ancient alien civilizations, right?
Yeah, it's like a DC-10 that the aliens fly or something like that.
Oh, yeah.
Hells yeah, dude.
That's the thing with aliens is they love, like, military gear.
They like to fly around like experimental American military gear.
Yeah.
You know, I know that there are, like, for example, they found, like, ancient batteries and stuff in ancient Egypt.
Yeah.
They discovered, you know, old, you know, machines that resemble computers in ancient Rome and stuff.
Uh, so I haven't heard of that one.
I've heard of like, you know, ancient technology that was suspiciously advanced for its age.
Right, right.
Have you guys ever heard this crazy conspiracy theory that the Greeks and the Romans fucked children?
Wow.
Insane.
Yeah, just wild.
Anyways, open any history book.
It was organized at the highest levels of government and totally accepted.
I mean, that is human history.
We come from darkness, we head to darkness, and along the way, we like to make up a story that's just a little different.
Yeah, like, we make fun of them because they believe in, like, human sacrifice, you know, human sacrifice, you know, the Aztecs predicted.
Yeah, literally.
The Celts, the Polynesians.
Yeah, or like the Foundation of America was just pure human sacrifice, including scalping them and turning in the scalps for money.
Imagine if QAnon got a hold of something this juicy.
The Democrats are sending out people to scalp other kinds of people, and they're getting money for it.
It sounds fucking wild.
That's the foundation of the country.
They murder the Indians by paying for their scalps.
Native Americans.
Right, yes.
At the time, though, they called them Indians.
Indians, yes.
I roll it back.
I'm sorry.
Gotta stay woke.
Gotta stay super woke.
That's ironic coming from me to you.
So you spend a lot of time online, Travis.
Yeah.
I suppose I do.
What I notice on your Twitter account is you spend a lot of time, you know, there's some screen capping, you're monitoring this situation, right?
Right.
What is the fun part of that and what is the awful part of that?
I mean, the fun part of it is like, whenever I see something that's especially bizarre to me, and you scroll through it, it's like, ah, yeah, it's like, like, like boring, normal conspiracy stuff.
And then someone will say something that's off the walls insane, like, oh, actually, Q is JFK Jr.
Oh yeah, we love that one.
It'll just crack me up.
I love my attempt to wrap my head around some of the insane things that they believe.
So that's really, really fun.
In fact, your Twitter user picture is you trying to wrap your head around something.
Right.
Looking very, very confused.
Yeah, so that's really fun.
It's just the creativity of these people to come up with these things.
Yeah, it is.
That's what I love, too.
I'm in the same boat with you on that.
It's crowdsourced storytelling.
Oh, yeah.
They create conspiracy theories like an industrial research firm creates new inventions, right?
Yeah.
It's like a factory.
It's crazy.
Or Merck creates new versions of heroin.
Right.
All right.
So yeah, so that's the fun part.
The bad part, the part I really don't like is when they start saying things that sort of unnerve me, where they start talking about maybe how they're being alienated from their family.
Oh, that is depressing.
Yeah.
How this has given them purpose.
I hear some people talk about like, oh, I got off of drugs, you know, because of Q. Whoa.
And I'm glad that they are able to find some purpose in their life, but it's very depressing that that purpose has to be Q.
In that moment, it's, um, because I do see you on Twitter dancing between like this kind of almost compassionate approach, but then also this very mocking approach.
So it's almost like, do you feel in those moments like, God damn it, I'm just mocking someone with like a shitty day job, and they're just trying to entertain themselves with their awful racist thoughts in the evening, and it just so happens that...
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's very contradictory.
Because the mockery is really a coping mechanism.
Of course.
And also, I want to sort of raise awareness.
Of course.
Because I think that this is going to be more and more of an issue in the coming months.
Yeah, I agree.
I think, for example, in October, when these indictments don't come, that they very, very much believe are going to happen.
Don't tell Jake that.
He's crying.
These people are going to start suffering.
They're 40,000 sealed!
50,000 sealed.
It's raised.
Okay, go ahead and then I'll ask them on the indictment.
So the cognitive dissonance when these indictments don't come is going to be very, very painful for these people in October, November.
And so I monitor these people because I'm concerned what's going to happen to them and what they're going to do when they realize that, you know, Santa Claus isn't coming.
Yeah.
So, do you know anything about these sealed indictments?
Like, I did read an article saying that there was something to it, that there were more and more of these, or is it just some sort of legal misunderstanding?
It is totally a misunderstanding.
You know, actually, I traced the origin to this.
There was a 4chan post back on November 4th, 2017, where someone had used the PACER system to find two sealed indictments, and these were actually sealed proceedings.
It's a different legal concept.
and they started researching and they started finding more and more of these things.
And it sort of snowballed. And so they use all these researchers who have pacer access,
or even they spend their own money in order to do pacer searches. And
yeah, so it's absolutely nonsense.
It was, like I said, the resistance had their own sort of sealed indictments theory right after Manafort was indicted.
And they thought like, oh wow, these guys, these, you know, these two people are going to be indicted, maybe there are these 33 civil indictments.
Yeah, Louise Mensch and all of these kind of resistance grifters online, they were all really heavily laying in on this.
So it seems like both sides Both sides are fantasizing about justice that's being kept in an envelope somewhere, just waiting to be burst open and served justice.
Before the midterms.
Right, right.
But like you were talking about, the resistance, they wimped out.
They went like 33, a couple dozen.
Whereas the far right wing, they went like 50,000.
like the far right wing.
They went like 50,000.
Yeah.
So we're going to do an episode where we look a little deeper into this.
Because I saw an article that was semi-credible, I thought, and I tend to be more skeptical than Jake.
But yeah, I thought there was at least something interesting there.
I do think that there's – It was like there was more this year or something than the average for past years or something like that.
It was something really small.
The chance of that just being people looked more this year is just so high though.
Yeah, that's true.
We'll see, we'll see.
The thing, like you said, the storm is the kind of focus for the QAnon community.
Right.
So if it doesn't come... Alright, let's do this exercise, this fun exercise.
What is your favorite version of the storm?
Like, outcome?
Yeah, what's the storm you want to see?
Oh man, it's really tricky because on the one hand, I sort of operate in this kind of like, I think it's interesting to watch the world just burn.
So on the one hand... Certain amount of nihilism there.
So on the one hand...
I want it to be real because I think it'll be interesting to see everybody's heads explode that this thing that has been written off as this insanely bonkers conspiracy theory is actually going to happen.
But then it's like you said, it's like one half gets executed or whatever and we're left with a much more authoritarian guy who now is in a much He's better positioned to be a dictator because he's just shown you how corrupt and all of this thing the other is.
And whatever you think of Donald Trump, behind Donald Trump you have Mike Pence, who to me is much scarier than... He's pretty scary, that's for sure.
...is much scarier.
So it's weird.
I want the Russia thing to come out as fake because I was really burned by...
how the Democratic Party played Bernie Sanders. There was a, you know, which is a lot of these
guys on the board were ex-Bernie supporters who sort of, but anyways, I was really burned by that.
And for me, the dog in the fight was, well, if they have the power to wiretap a political opponent
and fuck in and, you know, literally take an elected person away from, you know, somebody
was elected by the people.
It's like, well, I don't give a fuck about Trump, but, like, what if a guy like Bernie Sanders got elected?
Some guy who I really believe could do some amazing things for, or woman, do amazing things for the country, and then this fucking establishment uses all their tricks of the trade, and they weaponize their shit, and they keep any, like, real progress and real change from happening in the country.
Like, that's sort of where my dog in the fight is.
is like I it's it's it's really tricky though because like funny because the
storm essentially would just be the Democratic Socialists like starting to
change the tides of the Democratic Party being so pro-corporate yeah I like that
story you actually just wrote my favorite storm that's kind of what I
I think if, you know, I'll be totally honest, I think if there was a thing where it came out that, you know, like, let's say Clinton and whatever and Obama committed treason or whatever, let's say it's as bad as Q, Yeah, I'm making a scene for an example.
You know, if they, like, walked these people out and, like, I saw them, like, hung on TV or executed or it was in the paper, I think I would feel deeply empty and, like, deeply sick.
So on the one hand, there's a piece of me that's like, I kind of want it to be true just because, like, I think it would expose this thing.
Because you want to feel something.
This is like a form of teenage cutting.
Yeah, but at the same time I think that I would be deeply saddened and disturbed and I think it would be a terrible thing for our country if we saw our former administration executed or imprisoned.
Yeah.
So it's, you know, caught between a rock and a hard place here, Julian.
So true, Ricky.
What version of the storm?
Well, you know, I guess what Trump's, you know, all these nondisclosure agreements, you know, that he has with a lot of other people.
That would be amazing.
And learning about these through the news, because people are very, very aggressive reporting on them.
Maybe think it's like, well, there's got to be thousands of these for not just Trump, but like everybody, corporations, all this stuff.
Everyone's holding secrets because they could be attacked later.
Right.
That's so true.
So the storm I'd really like to see is like all these people released from their non-disclosure agreements.
Every single NDA in the world.
Yeah.
Just, just, just.
Oh my God.
That would be fucking good.
That would be amazing.
I think it would be because, because it would be, that would be a true, that would be a true storm, a release of information.
We really know what all the elites are up to that, you know?
Oh my God, he's right.
Yeah, ultimate transparency.
Okay, that is the official- That's the official- The official storm.
That is the QAnon Anonymous endorsed official storm as presented by Travis Few, live from New York City!
Yes.
Except not.
Nor live nor in New York City.
Don't try to guess where we are.
Home in the deep dish.
Thank you for that, Travis.
That's the best thing I've ever heard.
All NDA is just void.
Just void.
And everybody coming out and saying, well, you know what?
And just total melee of information.
Actually, yeah.
That would be fucking awesome.
You know what?
That's a good premise for a movie, too.
It's like, it's like the, um, what's it called?
The day where you can kill somebody?
What's the name of that?
Oh, The Purge?
The Purge, but it's The Purge, but it's... But information and secrets, yeah.
For one day in a year in America, no NDAs are worth a damn penny.
No, be more like... In a world... Hold on, hold on, I can do this.
In a world where information is vital...
Imagine.
You absolutely fuck up.
You have the most dulcet voice and you are goddamn incompetent.
I know, I just can't.
I'm just not a great improver.
I never was.
I am going to helicopter you out to sea and dump you like they did Bin Laden.
Damn.
In a world.
In a world where Julian knows how to fly a helicopter.
Totally impossible.
Alright, what's your version of the story?
I drive like shit.
Dude, both your versions are tight, dude.
I'm done.
Okay, cool.
I guess my version would be like, both of those, but we still get to keep podcasting?
Well, maybe yours is like, both of those, plus like, Trump fucks up through some minuscule accounting error or whatever, and so he and his entire administration are thrown over and the power is released back to the people.
I would like Trump to be punished but in a way like in a kind of Three Stooges way where he's just constantly walking on rakes and just like having you know paint fall on his head or just just oh and he has to and he can only express himself in onomatopoeia like he can only ever go like and stuff like that he's like he's like a like a Homer like a Homer Simpson punishment kind of Yeah, but like a little more like in the Looney Tunes world where they get real hurt.
Or like Roger Rabbit, like a Roger Rabbit type... Actually, TBH, like I don't even want him to be hurt.
That's the funny thing with that kind of right-wing fantasy of like hurting somebody is like, I think even these people, I mean there are definitely some of us that are psychopaths and that are able to fully see something like this, a fantasy fulfilled and still have pleasure at the end of it when there's just blood and carnage.
But I think the majority of us would be a little bit like that old man who was radicalized on the Sacha Baron Cohen's latest show there.
He basically is led to believe that he's just blown up three people who were at this anti-Trump rally.
And his next line is just like, I'm feeling kind of queasy.
And he just he's not feeling all right.
Yeah.
Worth a watch, by the way.
Who is America?
Some bits are suck, but some bits are really good.
And in that moment, he was just... He was just queasy.
He didn't enjoy it.
He didn't want to hurt anybody.
No, because at the end of the day, a lot of these people are just normal people.
They're furious and they don't know why.
And you know why?
When you get off the internet and you... I refuse, motherfucker.
When you get off the internet... My cold, dead hands.
When you get off the internet and or Facebook or wherever, and you look at another human being in the face and you say
like, I think you're a fucking piece of shit subhuman.
And you see the hurt in their face and you see them react and you see them go,
Oh man. Like then you go, Oh that, Oh that didn't feel like all that great.
Like, that didn't feel all that good.
As opposed to typing it on Twitter, hitting send and going, HA HA!
Fucker!
And clicking your phone off and fucking going back to your, you know, child porn or whatever.
The only downside for that with me is that, like, that's kind of almost a liberal idea, right?
Is that you'll feel bad when you do the wrong thing.
They still, like, the Third Reich still happened.
Like, genocide still happened.
This shit is still happening everywhere.
Yeah, that's true.
If we really weren't attracted to it, if it really made us feel so damn empty and awful inside.
Yeah.
But no, I think we do have a world order that kind of gives precedence to psychopaths and sociopaths, people who don't have that emotional component.
They advance better.
Yeah.
Yeah, it reminds me of the 90s.
We had such high hopes for the internet and the way it would bring us all together.
It's like, we would no longer be isolated in our local communities.
We'd be able to see other cultures.
We'd be able to understand each other better.
And we won't be so violent and sociopathic anymore.
And of course, it did not happen that way at all.
No, completely backfired.
Yeah, that's so interesting.
I remember that.
I remember when it was just chat rooms.
I remember when it was Prodigy and America Online.
All right.
He remembers AOL.
We're going to end on that.
Thank you so much, Travis.
You've been such a fantastic guest.
Hopefully we'll be able to have you back here at the home of The Deep Dish in the studio.
I'm going to go ahead and repeat your Twitter handle.
It is Travis underscore view.
Please follow this man.
He's constantly You know, surfacing these lovely right-wing nuggets, these QAnon nuggets, and I'm sure they'll be the sequel to QAnon, or maybe just an extension of the QAnon extended universe.
But either way, follow Travis, and I'm sure you'll be hearing him again on this podcast.
All right.
Yeah, I'll be happy to be back.
Awesome.
That's only because I served him, like, an espresso when he got here.
Otherwise... It was a good espresso, wasn't it?
It was delicious.
Yeah, I know.
He does a good cold brew, too.
Oh, I've stopped doing that because it literally makes me furious.
I just am furious and I can't have no patience for anybody for the rest of my day.
Anyways, Jake, thanks so much for showing up to your own show.
I really appreciate it.
Every time you do that.
It was difficult.
It was very, very hard for you.
You know, join us on Patreon.
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If you would join the five bucks a month, you will get access to the premium content.
We're going to be making more and more of that.
Follow us on Twitter.
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We've changed our ABI so we're no longer confused with, you know, high MAGA account accounts.
Medium to low MAGA.
We're only medium to low T. We're medium to low T, guys, and we're aiming for, like, a quarter MAGA here.
Guys, please don't make us go full MAGA.
Yeah.
You know?
But yes, thank you for joining us.
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