Pearl’s debate loss against Anna Kasparian exposed tensions over feminism’s impact, with both clashing on child support (men pay 18 years if paternity isn’t confirmed early), workforce parity (women dominate part-time roles but face wage suppression claims), and systemic gender biases—like the "tender years doctrine" favoring mothers. Anna countered with maternal labor stats and Title IX benefits, while Pearl accused feminists of ignoring male struggles, from paternity fraud to higher suicide rates post-divorce. Ultimately, the episode reveals how polarized gender debates become when data is weaponized, personal anecdotes overshadow facts, and neither side concedes ground despite flawed arguments. [Automatically generated summary]
All right, welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily here on the Audacity Network.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
I really appreciate you guys.
I don't want to do this.
I hate taking L's.
I hate, I wish taking L's is just never fun.
It's just never a fun experience for anybody involved.
I think I might go on members only today for the stream.
Don't hate me, guys.
Don't hate me, but I just have a sneaking suspicion.
I have a sneaking suspicion the people that don't like me are going to be in my comments section today.
I know.
Oh, my God.
Is that too loud?
Hold on.
I missed you guys, though.
I haven't streamed in a few weeks because I was getting ready for this debate.
You wouldn't think based on the performance, I can understand.
I know some people think I cooked.
I had my moments, but I generally wasn't proud of this.
All right.
So for those of you that don't know, because I'm sure some of my audience has not seen it, the reason I've not been streaming for two weeks is because I was asked to do a debate.
Yes.
Yes.
That's where I've been.
And I'm going to get into, oh, yeah, they're saying Pearl cooked in.
I mean, I don't think so.
I don't.
I got to be honest.
I don't think so.
I'm in such a weird position.
Why was I silent?
I'm actually going to explain why I was silent.
What happened?
I know.
I know.
It's so embarrassing.
It's very embarrassing.
I'm not, I'm not exactly like you guys are like, you bombed.
I'm like, I didn't mean to bomb.
You know what I mean?
I know.
I know, I know, I know.
Give it up because I'll never give up.
That's the thing.
I think that's why like a lot of people hate me.
Do you know what?
I saw that.
I saw that on stream.
If I did, you wouldn't know.
I'm going to be honest.
If I did, you wouldn't know.
If I didn't, you also wouldn't know.
Oh, I did research.
I know, and I'm going to explain what happened.
But first, I need to critically think, okay, do you know what?
Are you on stage?
Are you on stage doing this thing?
No.
No, no, no.
Doug MP, stop answering questions about my personal life.
Don't stop.
Stop.
I'm not trying to.
You gotta, I'm done answering these questions.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, none of your business.
You know what I mean?
like anyways um stay at Look.
It wasn't just stage fright, though.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna explain.
But I gotta.
So, how's everyone's week going?
Mine's going good.
I don't want to wait for people to come for a second.
I got to pull something up.
So I went to the doctor this morning, or not doctor, the dentist.
And guys, I don't know if I told you I'm trying to do this like palette expansion thing.
I'm trying to do this palette expansion.
And they gave me a quote for it.
And I was like, oh no, because I'm hoping to fix my jaw.
I have jaw issues.
And I'm trying to fix this like second half of my face, sort of, but I have jaw issues.
Has anybody done palate expansion and has it worked?
It's not really for looks.
I know that could help, right?
But what I've seen, I don't think it helps that much.
It's really just more, my jaw hurts.
So you got, all right.
You didn't like my outfit.
Can you shut up?
Like, what are you, a woman?
Are you here to nag me?
Are you here to nat?
I'm not stoned.
All right.
Okay.
So the first thing I wanted to say is thank you guys all for supporting me.
I really wish I did a better job, but I promise to God I did the best I could.
I'm not really a debater.
I wish I did better, but you know, it just is what it is.
I take the W's with the L's.
Not to say the entire thing was an L, but there were places I wish I did more.
So.
But I appreciate you guys for, I appreciate you guys for supporting me.
How do I get this to be members only?
I really wanted to be members only as I talk about this.
Whatever.
I'm just going to, I'm going to turn off the comments so I'm not constantly looking at the chat.
So right now, I'm going to, I'm going to turn them off because sometimes I get distracted and we just can't do that.
All right.
So about two weeks ago, I was reached out to by World War Debate and they talked about they're launching a debate show and they wanted me to be in it.
Now, at first, I was not supposed to be the headliner.
I was supposed to be the opening.
And I got to be honest, guys, I cannot stand debates.
I hate debating.
It's not really the strongest suit of mine.
So I did have a little bit of hesitation taking the debate in the first place because I never feel like, I always have felt like debates are about being right more than getting what is accurate.
And the people that win debates just tend to be people that are very good at being a bitch and arguing.
And in order to win debates, I've always felt like you kind of have to be a bitch back.
And that's, it's really, I understand because I call women fat whores a lot.
You would think that would come naturally to me.
But I don't know.
I've always felt like if you ever checked out my demeanor, like, you know, I might say black people are, I am fatigued of black people, but I think people can sense in my heart.
I don't have any hate towards black people.
In fact, like half of the posse I showed up with was black or Dominican.
Do you know what I mean?
And it's like, you know, so when I call women fat whores, I've always felt like people know that our people can understand from my demeanor.
And I think that's why people follow me.
I don't have any hatred in my heart towards it.
I was talking to this woman that got her husband left her for like a stripper or something the other day.
And I was like, damn, it's like that sometimes.
You know, I don't have hatred in my heart towards anybody.
And I really hate conversations where I'm talking to somebody that's bitchy.
I hate it.
It's not my favorite thing.
I don't mind, even if they're condescending, I can get through that, but I hate yelling.
I hate screaming.
I hate it.
And I know this is me giving excuses, whining.
I am a woman, right?
So I was kind of hesitant to take this because I just know it's not my forte.
But I heard Anna Kasparian would be my opponent.
And I've really heard her speak over the years.
And I was actually kind of hoping she'd be a little bit more of a moderate position, but it turns out she's still batshit.
Batshit insane.
So I have realized that this is a necessary evil that I really just have to get, you know, better at.
And I have to get a minimum level of competence.
And right now, I'm just not there.
I'm not a very good debater.
I think I'm a good streamer.
I think I'm a good storyteller.
Debater is just not my best strong suit.
Yeah, just not.
And, you know, I had someone say to me the other day that debates are really only useful when two experts are debating.
And I actually think that's true because when two experts are debating on a topic, like if you have, if we're going to do Gaza, right?
The people that go on these stages, it's usually people that represent the issues and are not directly involved.
So I, you know, it just, it's like, it's just a necessary evil, you know, anyways, wait, should I freeze again?
So, anyways, I did end up taking the debate.
And I decided, I said, you know what?
This would be good to challenge me.
It would be good for me to think through some of my opinions.
And I have a bit of a stage fright.
I don't think I've done a lot of stage stuff.
And I think it's a little counterintuitive.
You would think because I talk into the camera for a living that I would, how do I put it?
That I would, I wouldn't really have a stage fright.
You know, I wouldn't really be like, but there's something about crowds that I just, I do not, I don't like seeing you guys.
This camera, perfect.
I can talk.
Crowd, I have a harder time.
And the worst part was we, the crowd was the best crowd.
I talked to them before.
They're all so nice.
They're, they're there to see me win, the majority of the crowd.
I talked to them before.
it was mostly there for me, or at least like rooting for me.
But for some reason, I don't know.
When sometimes my head, it just goes blank and it was just an L.
It was a complete L at parts, at parts of it.
I did come back the second half.
All right.
So I took the debate partially, you know, because it was a decent pay, partially.
And I thought, you know, we're right, really getting the ball rolling on this divorce documentary finally, after being demonetized for two years.
And I'm very excited, like, I'm very excited for the future.
We're talking to donors, and I'm like, do you know what?
If I can represent these issues well and do my job, I'll be happy.
I didn't, but you know, I did my best.
I did my best.
So, for two weeks, I went through everything.
I, you know, the question: Has feminism empowered women or has it led them to cultural and relational decline?
And because this was a very broad question, I wasn't overly sure which direction the debate was going to go in.
You know, she's starting her opening, I'm starting my opening, and I'm like, let's just F it, you know, take it.
And so, I actually made a Google Doc.
Um, and I'm actually going to show this Google Doc going through everyone's saying, think through your positions.
I'm actually going to show you my work, Anna Kasparian debate.
Um, I'm not going to show everything at some point, I will.
But look, I made this doc here: opening statement, opening statement, cross-examination, main arguments.
I had pages and pages and pages and pages of arguments and debates and stats, um, anticipating things she might say, you know, for hours.
And, you know, people were quizzing me before the show, doing all this stuff.
And what I realized I did, the biggest mistake I made was I actually spread myself too thin.
I realized this after the question, and I think in the future, when I go do debates, the question cannot be super broad because then I don't know what we're covering, right?
So, in the future, I think I should have been more specific, right?
I mean, that's that's me thinking.
I'm not, I'm not a debater for a living, anyways.
I will continue.
I'm preparing for this debate, and we start the debate show.
And again, this is just not my forte.
I hate, I like to talk like this.
I hate bringing my voice down to talk like a man to get people to stop being mean.
I hate mean people, I hate having to be mean back.
I hate it.
I hate it in my deep, dark soul.
I hate it.
just not a fan it's just contrary to my nature you know and the biggest thing I don't like in debates is statistics and this is kind of this is where I know everybody everybody's cooking me right now and it's deserved right
So, before the debate, I wanted to submit all the statistics, I wanted them all submitted ahead of time because I thought that this debate might go down so many different rabbit holes, right?
It goes down all these different rabbit holes.
But, you know, this was the first launch of the show, and for whatever reason, that couldn't be done.
But what I don't like is in debates, the person that just says source the most and tries to discredit your statistics, they just win.
And if you don't do it back, like you almost can't even have a conversation because people just keep interrupting you and trying to say that you're lying and your sources aren't inaccurate.
And when you do this for five years, I really do have a system for sources where I know if I'm quoting it, it's accurate and I've looked into it before.
But it's very difficult over a five-year period to remember the name, sample size, where the studies took place.
Especially when you're doing 20 different topics, this isn't an excuse.
It's just something I struggle with, right?
And that's really where she got me: she came out guns blazing, and we're going to react to this.
So, in the future, I really wish that we could have submitted the stats ahead of time and just both accepted each other's stats.
But then you get into the same problem.
If one person's unreasonable, they'll just discredit all of your stats.
And then it just becomes whoever can recall the name of the study gets to use it.
So the biggest mistake I made was I actually, and you guys won't even believe this.
If you notice, the first half of the debate, I had all of my statistics printed because I knew I struggled with this.
Oh my God.
And I thought this was a good idea.
I thought, bitch, I'll have them all right here.
But what I didn't anticipate is you don't really have time in a debate to find every statistic.
So even though I had it in, and I'm going to actually show this again.
And I realized the solution to this to me in the future is we're building a website now, but I have to, I just got a donation and I have to figure out if I'm going to put it towards the documentary or the website because we got to fix both.
And I think documentary is going first.
I realized that I just need to have them all on my website because here, let me show you.
So at the bottom, wait, let me find.
Oh, wait, this is the wrong one.
This was my, that's my outline for the show today.
Hold on.
At the bottom, look at quotes from books, quotes from a world without men.
Where is work cited?
Works cited.
I printed these.
I had a historian.
I paid a historian to go through my work cited, someone that does that for a living and correct them.
Tell me where I'm right.
Tell me where I'm wrong.
Tell me which ones are useful.
Tell me which ones are not useful.
So not only, that's how far I went, but I understand if you can't, if you can't say I'm super fast, if I can't remember.
So this was essentially worthless to me because it was 57 pages.
And this was the biggest, you'll notice the second half I came up.
You'll notice the second half of the debate, I came out, and we're going to react to it.
I came out stronger, and it was because I said, and this is what I should have did.
I should have stuck to five topics.
I should have understood my limitations.
There's some things I can recite really fast and there's some things I cannot.
Yeah.
Nick never gives his source.
Well, Nick's a better debater than me.
Look at look at, I think we've established that.
If it's like Pearl's not good in it, that would be true.
That would be true.
That would be, that would be accurate.
I know you're saying I did great.
I absolutely, you guys got to stop gassing me up.
I did not.
The first half, I did great at certain points.
Yeah, I know.
Don't try to remember everything.
Focus on the stuff you know really well.
I know that was Yeah, do you know what?
But you know, even though I lost this debate and I thought about it, I know that I did everything I could.
I wish my nerves did not overcome me, but they did.
And I know I study it, like from the time I knew about the debate to the time that I like that I did it.
You know, this girl has 20 years of debate experience.
I wish I did better, but I didn't.
So, yeah, I mean, it's just, I'm sorry, guys.
You know, I really do.
I really do wish I did better, but there's just sometimes it's very difficult talking to someone that'll go low because then you just have to go lower.
And if you stay high, you just have to listen to them, you know, kind of bitch at you for an hour.
One second.
Hold on, hold on.
150.
Thank you for supporting fathers who want 50-50 shared custody.
We don't mind supporting our children.
Such an asinine comment made by Anna.
We just want the same parenting time as mothers.
Gavin saying you had a kid the whole time while she was on was hilarious.
I think you cooked her.
She just relied on name calling and Botox jobs.
Yeah, you know.
I didn't rage quit.
But do you know what I thought?
There was a point where I did want to throw hands.
I'm not going to lie.
She's like 5'1.
And I thought about it.
I thought about it.
I'm like, you can talk like this to men, but I'm bigger than you.
I could body you.
Do you know what I mean?
like i will yeah i yeah i know but i have this fear in me of the police I never want to like get in trouble in that way.
But you know, I'm getting older.
And have you noticed the older you get, I'm like, do you know what?
I could catch a charge.
Yeah, I don't know.
She was a little ghetto, you know.
I know I was too polite.
Now, I want to, before we start reacting to the debate, I want to say, I want to thank World War Debate for inviting me.
I do apologize, you guys, for crashing the first half.
I got nervous.
That was an incredible opportunity.
The fact that you guys got Anna Kasparian on was amazing.
I know she's hard to get.
They were so easy to work with.
Their team worked so incredibly hard, right?
I mean, the fact that this was their first event that they have run for this show was amazing.
Like, there were so few hiccups.
Anytime I needed anything, the staff was there.
Thank you for the $150 super chat.
Seriously, guys, I really want to get two editors here.
You know, these other people, they have machines behind them.
I have like two people.
And so I really do appreciate the donations because everybody here is doing like three jobs.
I mean, my editor is like coordinating with the ad people.
Doug MPA does literally anything, anything.
It's me, my editor, and Doug MPA.
A lot of these people have machines behind them.
Machines.
And I'm also going to send this.
I'm going to send this stream to really the person that should be debating.
And anyone watching this, I really, I really want you guys to push for Terrence to get on some of these shows, Terrence Pop.
There is nobody that knows more in the space and deserves more in an event than Terrence.
It's not me.
You know, I'm very appreciative that you guys made me the headliner.
It really touched me from the bottom of my heart.
I didn't even think I deserved it, but I was like, do you know what?
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
But I knew in my heart of hearts that Terrence Popp needs to be on some of these stages.
That is a guy.
I mean, he was in my opening statement if anybody saw it.
I know I'm going to explain the awkward silence, but he really, we need to get him on these stages because he has been working with men and fighting suicide, men committing suicide with comedy for the past 20 years.
I know.
He should be on the stage.
You had good points, Pearl, but neither of you debated well.
I know, isn't it funny?
That was my whole point.
I'm like, even when you put two women, I mean, we both suck.
Yeah.
You thought Pearl was very good.
You probably saw one part of it, but not the other.
I know, the personal attacks.
All right.
I'm going to send Terrence this stream if he wants to come on.
And I also want to shout out to Doug MPA.
Doug MPA came in person and he helped me prep for hours.
Everybody knew.
I just think everybody like everybody that I was on my team knew we did whatever.
I did whatever I could, you know?
Yeah.
Look, I did not do good at all.
I know the moderators.
That was a complaint, actually.
I am a woman.
Thank you guys so much for inviting me.
You guys are awesome, but that is a complaint of mine.
I don't understand how this woman was able to basically verbally abuse me with no recourse.
Sorry, I shouldn't say abuse with the woman in me.
But like, I was sitting there and I'm thinking, like, how is this allowed?
A fair fight usually exposes them.
No, yeah, I took an L.
I got stage fright.
I'm going to text Terrence for when I'm going to start reacting this.
think i'll bring up doug mpa um check email sent link Okay, how many people were in the live audience?
Do you know what?
I think that the moderator agreed with me.
I just, I don't know if he moderates on the regular.
So I really think you showed up for men.
That's huge.
Thank you.
Look, you showed her no fear.
Oh no, I did show fear.
Do you know what the worst part is?
I had all the stats in front of me.
I had them all in front of me.
I got to go Connor McGrediger.
Yeah, let me.
Also, I know some people didn't know I was debating.
I am working on getting our contact system.
All right.
You might not understand how YouTube works, but there's all of these platforms that just for us are not working together.
And we're looking at different solutions for this problem.
Again, everybody's, you know, doing a few jobs here.
So this is what we're working.
Let's see.
Invite guest.
We're going to get Doug MPA up in here, but you know, I appreciate you guys' support.
I'm sorry if I didn't represent you as well as I should have.
I did the best.
You know, she'll never rematch me.
I did think my closing statement was the best.
I won't lie.
I did think that was pretty good.
all right hold on all right we're gonna we're gonna pull up the debate which people asked where the debate is Me, Doug, and Terrence are all going to react to it.
All right, let me pull this up on screen.
You saw no room for improvement.
Now you're just simping.
I mean, I stopped talking for like three minutes.
You know what I mean?
it just you know sometimes in life you take l's all right so So first, we're going to bring up Doug MPA.
Hey, how's it going?
Tell me about your experience.
You know, you for again, shout out to World War Debate.
They were great, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I want to thank Rob Noor for organizing that whole thing.
He was fantastic.
He was everywhere involved with everything.
It was great.
You know, good job, Rob Noor, and everyone that did that whole thing.
I mean, it was great.
The um, yeah, you we got you to the point where you said, I'm ready, and that's the best thing that a team can do.
And guys, remember, you know, um, all these e-girls, Anna, Candace, Brett Cooper, they've had men build them up.
Like, and it wouldn't be anywhere without Zhink Uger, and Pearl doesn't have that machine, and she's literally growing and learning in front of the bright lights.
So, sometimes you take the wins, sometimes you take losses.
She got up there in front of the bright lights and did her best.
You know, I'm a pro supporter no matter what.
I'm glad to be along for this ride, and we'll get him next time, you know.
Yeah, you know, I'm down to do it again.
Um, thank you, um, nuclear Caudill, what's your plan?
If you want to come up too, because he also attended the event, so if he wants to give his thoughts, I sent you that, I emailed you the link.
The man.
Oh, wait, I should have given you a heads up.
It's all right, I'm using my abortion hook, scratching my back.
I don't care.
The man, the myth, the legend.
Terrence Mars.
I am a comedian.
What do you want from me, man?
All right, Terrence.
Well, we're going to react to the debate together.
But I wanted to hear first your thoughts on the event.
He was in the part of the opening.
What did you think of the debate?
Well, the first half could have went better.
Yeah, no.
I mean, you live and you learn.
I mean, that's how it goes.
But it was the equivalent of an amateur boxer fighting a professional boxer that has a lot more higher ring IQ and know how the rules work and everything like that.
But on the second half, you came back and, in my opinion, you devastated her mainly because you didn't allow yourself to get baited into her emotional traps and you stuck to the facts.
You literally read that, read all of the shit right off the page, and she couldn't do anything.
I'm down.
World War Debate, you're in a fantastic spot.
Let's make round two.
Hey, I'm down.
Give me six months.
I'll study more.
Hell, I'll show up and debate that shit as well.
Yeah, you guys need to get Terrence on.
I'm telling you, there's nobody in the space that knows more about this stuff than Terrence.
Yeah, there's nobody.
Nobody.
Moving forward, you know, honestly, if you're going to debate a woman, you have to be willing to go low.
I mean, because here's the thing: like, unlike a lot of people in this space, Pearl's a good person, you know, and a lot of these people aren't.
And you can tell by the way that they get down and dirty and insult people, stuff like that.
And I'm guessing that's going to have to be a necessary part of the game, especially when you debate women.
I think the website will help a lot.
Like, because that would shut down the debate if we just had all the stats on the website.
You know what I mean?
Because that was actually what made me freeze.
Is I'm on stage and I realize I'm like, she keeps asking me for these sources.
And even though I have them here, I cannot remember the exact name.
Like, I'm getting all of them confused in my head.
And I have a stack of papers this big.
This isn't going to help me.
Well, I mean, one of the things you could do is you could move all of the stats in the condensed version onto two pages, and then you could color code them by the different by the different subjects they pertain to.
But, you know, the thing is, is she stuck to a few attacking points, and she kept trying to make it an emotional argument, especially when you're talking about alimony and child support.
And she was like, Well, we want these kids to starve and not have any money.
You should have come back and said, Look, feminism has won.
Men and women are equal.
And I'm going to give you the same answer as a woman I'd give a man, which is handle your shit.
And that would have shut all of that down.
And also, you know, getting how you used to, on your pregame show, ask these leftist liberal women questions that literally make them hang themselves.
Like when she said, oh, yeah, he needs to put a condom on because he's the one with the Johnson.
They all subscribe to the same script of liberal garbage that if you get it out of them, it just makes them look bad.
So that way they're supposed to.
Yeah, get CGA to help you.
Oh, no, I'm telling you guys.
Terrence, look, we went through a lot of this.
It was just, you know, sometimes when there's a rabid dog barking at me, I freeze.
That's that's the best way to describe it.
That's the best.
Like, I just, you know, there's no shame in that.
Okay.
There's no shame in it.
I mean, you know, you're being honest with yourself, which is what people need to grow and become better.
You know, you're not hiding, you know, behind the shield of delusion.
And I mean, I personally think you did pretty good, to be honest with you.
Now, I myself am not a fan of Anna.
You know, I didn't speak to her at the event, though I did walk by her and, you know, at the mixer after the effect, after the fact.
And I got like some really negative vibes from her.
And, you know, it's, I just don't think she's a good person.
I don't know her personally, so I shouldn't say that, but that's just the vibe I got from her.
Nuke, welcome.
What's up?
Everyone, everyone, go to Nuke's channel and subscribe right now.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
You need to go there and subscribe right now, please.
Go ahead.
So, what did you think of the event?
What did you think of the debate or your thoughts?
I thought the event was very well put together, surprisingly.
I thought people attended, like, took care of us pretty well.
The cookies were good.
Oh, yeah.
All the food, the drinks, everything was well put together.
In terms of the debate, I've talked to you guys about my complaints.
I thought the open debate portion was too long.
I thought 30 minutes is just go back and forth.
I know that a lot of people thought, and maybe you think this too, that you ran out of steam, but she did too.
Because when you stopped talking, so did she.
Yeah, that's a good point.
And women don't stop talking just because they love to talk.
I just think it was just too long.
And, you know, at some point, it just made it look like you were the one that ran out of steam.
But trust me, she ran out of steam too.
She had nothing else to say.
Hang on, hang on.
This was their first event.
So there's going to be a trial and error and they're going to make adjustments.
And that's just the way it is.
I thought the whole thing went off well.
The people running it were, you know, had a lot of experience.
And to be honest with you, I don't really have anything negative to say other than the fact there were some growing pains.
I mean, that's to be expected.
For it to be in the first time, I'm just surprised that nothing else, nothing much went wrong in terms of production people.
No fights broke out.
No, I was getting out of pocket and yelling and stuff in the first half.
I had to get up and walk away.
And that's on me.
And I accept that.
That was an emotional debate, you know?
Yeah.
And do you know what's funny, though?
I was thinking about how, in a way, the debate was DEI because I'm like, just the fact that there is a silence here, that would never happen with two men.
I was thinking this.
And I'm like, it kind of proves the point because there was two people, like two guys that debated before us, and none of that happened for them.
So, you know, yeah, actually, they were talking about anti-Zionism.
And I mean, that was pretty intense.
That was, that was actually a very good debate.
All right.
We're going to play the we're going to watch the debate and react to it.
We'll probably do this, guys, today and tomorrow because it's pretty long.
So I don't know if we'll get through all of it today.
But yeah, so if you guys have any thoughts or things you want to add about the topic, you know, strategies we could implement for next time, feel free to put them in.
And I'll stop the video.
The movie to come out.
I suppose that you should have walked out to the NWO theme from WCW.
We'll have to set that up next time.
Here's another thing, too.
You could have had PowerPoint slides that they could have played on the big screen, showed on the big screen as you were talking.
Yeah.
And then she couldn't have gotten away with like sources, sources, because they do that to break your stride.
Yeah.
And it's, it's literally like, you know, you're in the ring fighting and the guy throws a lot of jabs and it screws up your, what you plan to do.
That's exactly what that was.
But yes, Pearl does not have a kid, you guys.
Knock it off in the chat.
If you keep that up, it's going to be a problem.
Pearl does not have a kid.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
Doug, I don't really want to answer like questions about my personal life anymore.
So don't like, I don't want to engage with it.
No, it's so dumb.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
So, all right, here we go.
Yeah.
Love it.
I'm very happy to be here.
Yeah, absolutely.
So we had a little interview earlier and it didn't run.
So I was asking you again: like, what do you think tonight is your best hope for swaying people in the crowd who might not be on your side?
I don't have a lot of hope to be honest.
...and are better off shacking up without... ...the lock-in.
All right, Pearl, welcome.
I'm going to ask you the same question.
You're going to change somebody's mind tonight.
One person, that one person, how are you going to do it?
I'm going to let the facts speak for themselves.
Fair enough.
All right.
Answer.
Ladies and gentlemen, this debate, our main card has a little bit of a different format than what we did previously.
We're going to have the opening statements for both of you.
Those will be five minutes apiece.
Then you'll each get 10 minutes to kind of do an interrogatory of the other.
That will go back and forth.
And then after that, we'll go into open debate.
As you saw with some of the other debates earlier, we try to let the other person answer.
I'll try to jump in as I can, but for the most part.
All right.
I was not allowed to answer a lot.
Okay.
Sorry.
I want you all to mix it up.
All right.
Have fun with it.
Sounds good.
And who was first?
Anna first.
I thought so.
Anna, take it away.
We got five minutes.
In a May 2024 appearance on Tim Poole's Culture War podcast, my opponent, Pearl Davis, declared that women aren't really doing much.
We're not having kids.
We're not really contributing to the economy when you look at output.
Wait, what'd you say?
I said facts and facts.
In fact, she uses this ridiculous assertion to argue that women should not have the right to vote.
While it's true the birth rate has declined, and we'll revisit that in a bit, women account for 47% of the American workforce.
Okay, so I want to show how manipulative she's going to try to say that like women.
So 40 women account for 47% of the U.S. workforce.
She doesn't source the site or cite it, but it's accurate, but she leaves out that 23 to 25% of the 45% are working part-time, including stay-at-home moms who might work somewhere between one or two days a week, compared to 12 to 15% of men.
Women are about 60 to 70% of part-time workers.
So it's deceptive to throw out that number 47%, like it's something to boast about as if men and women have reached parity in workplace participation.
And you could have actually combated that when it was your turn by saying, how many of that 47% are still going to be working after AI comes into the equation at full steam?
Yeah, they're firing government workers and the government is like one of the biggest employers of women.
Yeah.
The government doesn't hire women.
It just has a woman daycare.
I admire your humility.
Anna was the loudest person in the room and more assertive, which gave people the impression she won.
Honestly, I thought you clearly won the argument because of how your points on divorce seem.
Thank you.
Look, there were parts where I thought I did better than her, but I, you know, I'm not going to say I didn't L the first like part.
Yeah, yeah.
That just is what it is.
And you're also dressed like a school mom.
Yeah.
I told you that in the dressing room.
I'm just like, you kind of look like a teacher from the 1930s here.
That's the vibe I go for.
That's cool.
That's cool.
Council of Economic Advisors found that women have contributed a substantial portion of the U.S. economic growth since 1970, which wouldn't have been made possible.
Yeah, so I had the Council of Economic Advisors.
Women contributed a substantial amount to the economic growth since 1970.
Yes, primarily as a result of wage suppression.
Increasingly from 1970 onward, women would have been pressured into post-secondary education in the workforce, force right out of high school, flooding the labor market and lowering the wage employers have to offer and to fill in skilled and unskilled positions.
Sure, those employers can then reinvest the extra money they make at the expense of the decline of the purchasing power of the average person into further business ventures with the stock market, growing with the GDP.
But it is GDP at the expense of real wages and the standard of living in America per person.
Without the feminist movement.
By 2017, women were responsible for nearly 40% of total gross domestic product, amounting to a whopping 7.5%.
$6 trillion.
Of course, that figure doesn't include the trillions of dollars.
Remember, that figure includes women that are on OnlyFans.
So think about that.
Like when she's citing these numbers, sex workers are included in this.
Weavy continues.
Thank you for the $20 super chat.
Okay.
Unpaid labor, women do every year tending to the household, raising children, and caring for ailing parents.
All right.
You should have ripped her apart at that unpaid labor bullshit.
It's 2026, and we're still saying unpaid labor.
Yeah, it's the easiest time in history to be a mom.
Come on, we have Roombas and you know how much it costs to clean a 3,000 square foot apartment?
I got 150 bucks.
You know, Nuke, one kid, two at the most.
This isn't like seven kids, five kids.
Like right, you have one kid.
Yeah, and it could feed itself like in four years.
You know, like, come on.
Who stares at an iPad all day?
And the one thing, um, too, see, the one struggle I have is I like to let people finish and they don't let me finish.
So it's always this unpower, like, it's, it's always uneven, but they'll say like three points, like four or five.
And like, I'll sometimes have a hard time remembering what the other ones are, even if I write it down.
I don't like, I don't know, I just forget because it's like, go, go, go.
I don't know.
I have to figure it out for the next one.
Certain sectors of our economy, women are a dominant and indispensable force, like in the healthcare industry, where they make up nearly 80% of workers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
That's 16 points.
That's not really new.
Like, women have been nurses since like the 1850s.
And nurses are the biggest cheaters.
So they're working.
Just ask your ex-wife.
Yeah, statistically, Medicare, medical industry women are the biggest cheaters.
So you're working hard, but you're doing other stuff pretty hard too.
A million women.
When it comes to education, in 1960, women earned less than 35% of all bachelor's degrees.
Today, they earn roughly 58% of all bachelor's degrees, which Pearl herself benefited from.
But the bachelor's degrees are worthless now.
So it's like, okay, we're getting participation trophies.
Who cares?
That are costing you tens of thousands of dollars in student debt.
Yeah.
Fricking underwater lesbian dance theory.
After graduating from Elmhurst University, I remember sitting there listening and I'm like, is she bringing up?
Is she about to go through my whole life?
And I was thinking about it.
I'm like, she went on me for sources the whole time.
What's your source for my life?
But the thing is, Wikipedia?
No, you have to understand, though, is she's doing that to set up the emotional argument to throw you off by doing that.
You just let that roll off your back.
Who gives a shit?
And just drive on.
I was excited because she said I got all conference in college.
And I'm like, that I did.
That I did tell them.
Over 60% of master's degrees.
I hope to hear Pearl explain how a more educated and skilled population somehow translates to cultural decline, especially as we compete with China in this increasingly multipolar world.
The modern feminist movement also had a major impact on decreasing domestic violence.
And that's according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
Rates of intimate partner violence decreased by more than 60% from 1994 to 2010.
And that's thanks to protective order statutes and funding for shelters beginning in the 1970s.
Not only did you.
Yeah, you should have brought up the domestic violence race between the split tails, the liver liquors.
But also, crime has also declined.
I don't understand how because when I go into the cities, it seems to have increased.
But according to the data, crime has decreased.
I wouldn't trust that data, to be honest with you.
I wouldn't either, but I mean, they would, right?
Source, I have seen more women in street brawls in the last five years, both on the internet and my personal life than men street brawls.
And listen, man, women's street brawls they're good because it all depends if it's a one-titt or two-titt fight.
Yeah, I get it all one on the internet, yeah, on X, yeah, on Austin.
Yeah, did the two-income household become more financially resilient, especially during economic downturns, women gained the ability to leave abusive relationships, an outcome correlated with improved child health and educational attainment.
A culture that protects people.
She sounds like Hillary Clinton.
It's kind of, she reminds me.
You think you think she'll run for office soon?
Yeah, and the argument you could have used to attack this is you just go through all the stats of the outcomes of children from single family or single mother homes.
You would have totally collapsed your whole thing right there.
And we actually should have had those stats ready to go.
And we, we've, we dropped the ball on that one.
I don't know how we skipped that one.
I know.
Like we went through so much stuff.
Maybe because we've heard it so many times that we thought that it's stale, but honestly, it's still good.
It's still a good argument, it's not the best.
So beautiful nose job she has.
Look at that beautiful nose job.
I mean, she's got, she's she looks okay for a woman who hit the wall at zero eggs per hour.
I mean, she's like 40 now, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's it's not going to go well for her.
The looks because she kept attacking my looks.
And I'm just thinking, you just are not hot enough to have this big of an ego.
Like it's just not you just got to be better looking if you're going to come for me for this.
People from violence is not.
And when you, if you debate another woman and she goes there, you got to go there too, man.
Just chop her up from the bottom to the top.
Where's the other one?
Hold on.
Thank you for the $20 super chat.
I appreciate it.
All this stuff really helps, guys.
We're really trying to get a second editor.
So it's amazing.
One that's indicative of cultural decline.
Pearl herself has benefited greatly from the feminist movement.
Thanks to Title IX in 1972, signed by Nixon, of course.
Sex-based discrimination in any school program or activity that receives federal funding is I went D3.
I was just thinking about this.
I'm like, I didn't even get a scholar.
I didn't get a scholarship for volleyball.
It was D3.
Okay.
Prohibited.
Pearl herself had a rather impressive record playing for.
Hell yeah, I did.
We were 19th in the country, baby.
For Elmhurst University's volleyball team, having earned all-conference honors.
Yes, ma'am.
Yes, ma'am.
Yes, I did.
As a senior, she later pursued and a freshman.
And a freshman, freshman of the year, too.
But Pearl, you got to see what she's doing.
Is right here, she's actually wasting a lot of time bringing you into the spotlight instead of actually going, you know, arguing her point, she's attacking you because she's really attempting to rattle you and bring you into the emotional fight where she will win this experience.
You don't want to do that.
Look, I haven't been able to brag about my volleyball stats in a decade, Terrence.
Oh, nobody cares.
Can I have this?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Nobody cares about D3 volt.
Just let you know.
Okay.
I always want to say thank you for giving a voice to men who have been beaten down by a divorce and a false allegation in family court.
Anna had no counter except ad hominem attack and my volleyball and my volleyball record.
Yes, 19th in the country for Division III.
Professional volleyball in London.
It was semi-pro.
She could have spent a lot of time on this.
Let me brag.
Okay.
Stayed in the United States and served in her role as a traditional woman, but she didn't.
And she could have been the traditional chaste woman living out her dream of everything women were supposed to do before feminism.
But she is neither traditional nor chaste by her own admission.
While feminists would have no problem with her personal choices, she has made a career bashing women for theirs.
Critics often argue that modern feminism has weakened families and resulted in a lower birth rate.
They tend to dismiss empirical evidence demonstrating the insidious impact of the internet, social media on modern relationships.
They also brush economic instability under the rug, despite young people citing their personal finances as the main reason why they're holding off on marriage.
Yeah, because women spend too much money.
I just picked Ellie up from boarding, and it was so expensive from this trip.
And, you know, there's women putting their dogs in daycare in their 20s.
Like, you know, like instead of watching a dog, they put it in daycare.
Yeah.
Like, like the whole, the whole pickup in the room was all these women with their daycare dogs.
Isn't that crazy?
And this is like hundreds of dollars every month.
First place.
In lieu of discussing those factors, Pearl spends much of her time discouraging men from getting married in the first place.
During her debate with Trent Horn, she declared that men are better off shacking up without ever getting married.
Pearl, you should have owned that right there.
You should have said, yes, I do.
And my stats will prove why.
And then instead of denying it, you just say, yeah, fuck yeah.
It's a raw deal for men, which it is.
It's totally true.
And you got to act like she's crazy.
You got to act like, hey, are you kidding me?
You know, you got to act like appalled that she would even defend marriage, you know?
Yeah.
Well, I, do you know what it is?
I always get annoyed because that really isn't what I said in that debate, but I understand like there's no point in going back and forth about what I just say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hindsight 2020.
Yeah.
All right.
Let me keep going.
Her reasoning: women are too fat and STD infected.
25%.
That's a long.
You did say that.
She didn't stop to think about how they contracted the STDs in the first place.
Data from the National Library.
I said whoring.
That's a problem.
I'm too tall.
So my mic was quieter than hers the first half.
Yeah.
So.
Are you of medicine show that modern men are just as promiscuous as modern women?
Men and women are in bad shape.
And in the United States, we can discuss why, but feminism is not the reason.
Very good.
Thank you.
Nice job.
Okay.
Bearl, we got five minutes.
You're going to be on the clock and let's go.
Most debaters and commentators are elitists who tell average Americans from their ivory towers what to think and how to feel.
My answer to this question not only comes from covering current events and researching the facts, data, and statistics, but also in my professional experience interviewing over a thousand people in America and Western nations.
Feminism has given women power and power corrupts.
And that's what's happening.
Feminism is robbing men of their disposable income and their prime earning years.
Feminism has empowered women.
It has empowered women to be sexually promiscuous.
Feminists say that they fought for women to not subject themselves to the approval of men.
Why then are 5 to 10 percent of women between the ages of 18 to 25 on OnlyFans or other prostitution websites?
There are more online prostitutes in America than female Walmart employees.
One of three women will catch an STD at some point in their lifetime.
90% will catch HPV, which is incurable.
Feminism has empowered women to abort an eighth of the world population and a third of Gen Z. Feminists have been so empowered to commit paternity fraud.
Paternity fraud is unpunished in any state in the USA or any country in the West.
If done correctly, a man will have to pay for a child he was fooled into believing was his until that child reaches maturity.
In some states, that man will also have to pay for that kid's college.
That is slavery and is forbidden under the 13th Amendment.
One-third of paternity tests are negative by the American Association of Blood Banks.
Feminism has empowered women to rob men, rob men of their time, their resources, their reputation, their children, and in the most extreme cases, their lives.
They do this through child support, alimony, false allegations, and paternity fraud.
How many people in this arena have a brother, a father, an uncle, or a friend who has gone through a speed grinder?
Anna has been on the air for 15 years and is completely oblivious to these issues.
It's a silent genocide of the lives of millions of men.
Standing on the sidelines of the arena, I have 33-year combat veteran Terrence Pond.
He served through three wars and was almost killed.
He got married, had children, and served in the United States.
There he is.
Look at that handsome man.
I'm kind of uncomfortable with that, but that's fine.
Oh, really?
You didn't want to be on camera?
No, no, it's fine.
It's all right.
Okay.
2004.
And as a member of the airborne infantry, he was wounded by a roadside bomb and suffered a TBI and a stroke from the blast.
He was evacuated out of the country, and it took over two years until he recovered.
While he was recovering, his wife was plotting to divorce him.
His wife murdered his six-year-old Chocolate Lab out of spite because he filed for divorce first.
When he confronted her, the response he got was, I told you I did not want you living here.
At this point, he was forced to leave his brother home and live out of his car.
The divorce took away his home, his children, and left him penniless, battled with a child support payment he could not afford.
Terrence had to pay $144,000 over a 12-year period for a divorce that his wife was empowered by feminists to plan and execute.
Terrence went into court to fight for 50-50 custody.
Terrence was called a murderer and an assassin in open court and was given 96 hours a month with his children.
96 hours a month is not a father.
While homeless, he spoke to many other men who would never get off the streets due to child support arrearages and penalties, and the men constantly getting arrested for unpaid child support.
The disparage of losing his children and his home, and his PTSD in constant pain from his wounds, he became suicidal.
Well, at his post in 2008, a former commander of his came to see him to secretly say his last goodbyes.
The next day, Mr. Popp's former commander put on his dress clues and went to the Holy National Veterans Cemetery and blew his brains out.
Terrence Popp was notified of the death and was shocked because he was planning to commit suicide in the exact same manner.
So, in effect, his former commander took the bullet that was meant for him.
Terrence Popp decided he would not kill himself and has spent the last 20 years saving 576 men from suicide with comedy.
If you look to the left of the stage, Terrence is holding the dog tags for every live that he has saved.
Now, why am I telling you this?
Shout out to Terrence.
Yeah, now, why am I telling you?
Because men and American veterans are put in this position because of the empowerment that feminists like Anna have pushed for.
There are millions of men that have died in this country from the political power that feminism pushes since 1970.
An estimated 1.6 million men have committed suicide.
If feminists cared about equality, why aren't they fighting for equality and divorce in family court as hard as they are fighting for abortion, working, or becoming sex workers?
Thank you.
You are very close, very close.
You did okay.
You did good.
Um, Nuke, I keep removing you because there's a little bit of an echo.
I'm not sure why.
That's fine.
I'm thinking it now.
Okay.
Um, yeah, the how do people just memorize their whole speech and look up?
Well, you got to understand, though, is that that's her job.
Yeah, she does that every day, and she's been doing it, she says, for 20 years.
That's a whole lot of ability to do that.
Don't worry about it, you'll be fine.
I was thinking too, I'm like, I feel like she's closer to the podium.
I was like, I need this to be a little taller.
Okay, okay.
This is gonna be oh my god, I don't even want to watch this.
I'm gonna watch it, but I don't want to watch the first half.
It's gonna be a heavy one.
You'll hear me yell in the background.
Opening interrogations.
We have 10 minutes.
Do we have that on the clock?
Yeah, it's fading in right there.
Okay, and take it away.
10 minutes.
Who's interrogating who?
Whoever wants to begin.
Aside from the specific anecdote that you shared, which, of course, is tragic.
Can you cite some actual studies that look at the statistics and back up what you say in regard to the outcomes of marriage and divorce in America?
So this is where she's like literally trying to you up right here.
Yeah.
So if you would have it, all the stats on two pieces of paper where you could flip back and forth.
Yeah.
You would have been to brush her aside real easy.
This is this is where I realized I was effed.
I realized it in this moment because I'm like, oh no.
And we talked, we talked about this about, you know, sort, you know, where's your sources?
Where are your sources?
Where are your sources?
So, yeah, it was the, it was, it was the sources we thought about.
What we, I didn't think about was finding them easily in the debate, even though I did have it like organized.
It just should have been more condensed because correct.
Yeah.
This is experience.
This is the way it is.
You live and you learn.
Later on in the debt, you're like, no, the debate, you're like, the feminist wants depth to show that the sky is blue and water is wet.
So we got to get to the point where those, like, the crowd knows that everyone has a bit.
There's some stats that everybody just common sense that do exactly what you just said.
So, like Terrence said, have those two pages, but have ones that like everybody knows.
You know what I'm saying?
That paint the picture like that.
Yeah.
Of 109 rape cases reported to police in a Midwestern city were admitted to be false by complaint in one Midwestern city.
And which Midwestern city was that?
You should have just threw a name in there.
You should say, like, Minneapolis or something like that.
Yeah, because that's what, yeah, because then I realized I'm like, she's just going to keep doing this no matter what I say.
She's just going to keep asking me questions until I don't know the answer.
And it's like, yeah.
Why did I let Anna cuss you out?
Why did they let her cuss me out?
Like, that's my question.
But here's the thing.
As soon as she said the B-word to you, you should have raised your hand and said, What's going on here?
Why is she personally attacking me?
That would have actually went in your favor quite a bit.
Yeah, I know.
You know, you can go from your ivory tower.
I'm not in an ivory tower.
I'm on this debate stage interrogating your assertions, and you've only provided an anecdote, right?
Because if you look at the data, which I did, of course, you'll doubt it.
Fine, right here.
Right here, you should have said, I want you to look at Mr. Pop and say that that's fine.
I would have.
I know that's a little emotional.
It's appealed to the emotional, right?
But remember, like she like bring in Terrence Pop was like a good, it was a really good idea, but she's trying to block it out right now, right?
Because you have the guy right there, and that and the guy is right on her side of the stage too, staring at her.
And you would have said, look, look at him and say that.
And you know, the whole crowd would have been like, you know, because he's a veteran.
You cannot dust off a veteran in public, right?
You look really bad.
You know what the worst part is?
And I thought of this after, I'm like, he saved 500 men from suicide.
He could tell you why they're doing it.
That's a subject matter expert.
And I didn't think of it till later.
Yeah, you're absolutely correct.
I'm like, that's a subject matter expert.
I mean, who does no one has no one does that?
But Terrence has because almost every single one of those guys were suicidal because they lost their children and they were made homeless by the system, even if it was for a little while.
I mean, you take when you take away a man's children, that's his purpose in life.
And you take a purpose away from a man, he becomes rudderless.
And you are literally just, you're going to have a bad outcome if you can't get him, you know, going in the right direction.
So you're absolutely correct.
Twice as likely to fall into poverty after divorce.
Right, because alimony is paid out in 10% of divorces.
According to the Census Bureau, the average child support payment is $441.
See there, I'm trying to find.
I knew, I knew what she was doing.
And I'm trying to find the page where we calculated the child support, like for the police officer.
And I can't find it.
I got you.
Oh, but she's talking about the average child support payment is $400.
I'm going to bring it up.
For somebody who makes less than $25,000, that is correct.
But here's the thing.
If you're making $24,000 a year and they're taking, you know, $6,000 of that away, you are literally just above the poverty line.
And you could have actually brought up the PDF I sent you for, what is it, Arkansas?
Because they have a table and you can go right down to $1,300 a month, which is right at poverty.
you know, the poverty line.
But at $1,300 a month for two kids, they're still taking almost $300.
So you can't keep yourself above water if you're getting less than $1,300.
And that doesn't account taxes as well.
Because I've talked to thousands of guys in the past 20 years.
After child support and taxes, they have like $300 to live on.
Yeah.
I'm trying to find, see, this is the same problem.
I need to consolidate this.
I'll do that for the next debate.
But we calculated out like a police officer.
Yeah.
If you make $5,000 a month, which is $60,000 a year, you're going to pay roughly right around $1,000 in child support.
So that stat she was talking about, $400 is for lower income individuals.
Yeah, just for a second.
Police officer, non-senior, non-commissioned officer in the armed forces and high school teacher with two kids who make $60,000 to $70,000.
In Texas, we did this on the website, $1,209 a month.
New York teacher, $1,007.
If he has a $24,000 annual income with two children, we'll pay $445 a month, but it varies state by state.
Some states use net income.
Some use gross income.
For a man earning $35,000 or less, child support is a leading indicator in the father becoming homeless.
If the father has no home, how can he see his children?
The poverty line in 2025 is $15,650.
That is $1,304 a month.
If you look at the Arkansas child support table, you will see $1,300 a month requires $84 payment for two children.
How is the man supposed to live?
And if he can't pay, he's sent to prison.
The truth is the court doesn't care and routinely sentences countless men to homelessness and then prison.
And people wonder why men aren't getting married.
Women can get retroactive child support.
Some states can go back 10 years and turn a man into an instance felon.
But in most states, it cuts off at four years.
If a man who does not know he is the father can be dragged into court because of retroactive child support and he can go to jail for non-payment, think about it.
A man makes 60 to 70K a year.
At that income level, $1,000 a month in child support is about average.
He can be dragged into court and told he now owes $48K bin back child support.
They'll take his passport, suspend his license, suspend any professional licenses, garnish his $1,000 child support payment, plus more to pay down the arrearages.
The unpaid amount will then be assigned an interest rate on the unpaid amount.
This puts many men in the position of never being able to pay off debt.
In many states, this is 10%.
10% goes against the usury interest rates in many states, but they're ignored for deadbeat dads because that's what he'll be labeled.
That's absolutely correct.
100%.
You lose a lot of constitutional rights if you're a felon, too, right?
Sorry, what?
You lose a couple of constitutional rights.
Like, you can't carry weapons if you're a felon, right?
Yeah.
So like, you don't, you can't even protect yourself if you get a felony.
Like you're, you lose so much on a push.
It's just a button push.
And you become a second-class city, third-class citizen instantly.
Yeah.
That's why I started my nonprofit called Second Class Citizen.
Yeah.
There you go.
Yeah.
I gotta say it from memory.
I know, I know, hindsight.
Fundamental rights you lose as a felon voting, owning firearms, serving on a jewelry, on a jury, and then significant barriers to employment and specific licensures for certain jobs.
It's like housing.
Yeah, you can federate all that.
Security clearance done.
You can't work for anything that requires a security clearance.
So there's that.
You're also barred from a lot of public office positions, elected positions.
A lot of places will bar you if you have a felony.
Sorry, go ahead.
That's okay.
A month, and only 60% of those payments get paid out.
How much women do not get child custody?
She doesn't answer any of my quote-like 90% of the time, as you have asserted before.
Again, that's a tactic she was using.
She ignored you, and the mic wasn't close to your face, so you couldn't be able to speak loud enough to cause to break to break her rhythm.
Yeah.
5% of custody cases are mutually agreed upon outside of the courtroom.
Women.
What did she just say?
She says they agree outside the courtroom.
And to be honest with you, that is incorrect.
You know, and we had in your stats there, women get custody roughly 80% of the time.
Back when I was, you know, doing the stats, it was 85% of the time.
But, you know, it is what it is.
She was reading stuff right from an AI search, I believe.
Hold on.
I want to see.
The 441 per month figure is a sloppy, shitty number that is derived from the raw census brew data that does not reflect the complexity and variety of situations, which is why serious inquiry into the subject is done by simulated calculations, which conclude that the national average for child support payments is $721 per month.
Is that closer to what you've seen, Terrence?
Considerably more.
Well, if you're a middle-class guy, you're going to pay considerably more.
You don't see feminists quoting that figure.
It varies state by state.
For instance, the average child support paid per month in Massachusetts, according to these more rigorous calculations, is $1,187 a month.
So, no, women aren't hard done in divorce court.
And yes, plenty of men get financially raped and threatened with jail while being reduced to paying spectators in their kids' lives.
And last I checked, women were capable of getting a job or filing welfare paperwork.
You wanted sole custody to your kids, you can pay it yourself.
Yep, handle your shit.
Okay, the next part.
Get full custody 40% of the time.
Men do get full custody 20% of the time.
And 40% of the time, it's shared custody, which I think is the ideal.
Anna's next show rant after.
So Anna's next shrill rant after asking you a question, then not letting you answer only 60% of court-mandated child supportive payout.
She took a low-ball figure.
It's more like 70%.
And oh, I think this is for the next one.
Hold on.
Situation, assuming that neither spouse is abusive.
And before you respond, if you could take your microphone out and hold it, it would be easier to hear you.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is, this is again the, the micro, the microphone thing.
They're gonna fix that and this is just growing pains, not a big deal.
Yeah, I just meant like this is the part in my head where i'm like I can't find anything cooked.
Cooked, it's all right, you live and you learn.
Alimony and medical care and dental are not covered by that.
So a lot of times it does below, go above 50, which is true.
You can go through the facts, the data and the statistics and manipulate them any way that you want.
It's not manipulation.
Or one point, there are 1.6 million men in this country.
Men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce compared to women.
What's the number for women?
It's like, so there you go.
This is a common tactic.
They do they like.
What about women you're?
You're quoting men.
You should have said, I don't, I don't really care about the women numbers.
I'm talking here on the damage feminism done to men.
Yeah, and then you would have shut her way down, then she would have had to fall back on some emotional arguments and you could have said, i'm not gonna, i'm not gonna like mud wrestle with you in the pool of emotional bullshit.
There you go?
Yeah okay, but you know hindsight's 2020, so it's all good.
No no, you're right, that's a good answer.
Comparative analysis is real difficult.
For you is like, let's see, there's a personal attack right there.
I'm like oh she's, I know that's.
This is where I kind of get.
I just hate it when people talk to me like this, okay you, you are getting flustered, it happens.
It's not a big deal.
Yeah, you'll live and you learn.
And now we know we're gonna have to have somebody who uh, we're gonna have to do a rehearsal before you do this again, you know, on a podium with people actually firing questions at you.
So you can get a feel for it.
At least we know her strategy.
Now right, her strategy is, uh hey, where did you get that stat?
Where did you get that stat?
Where did you get that?
And the thing is, she can keep asking you that until you have no answer.
So you have to cut that off early, like as soon as you can speak loudly into the mic and be like, um, either call her crazy or something, for not like, because she's gonna keep going, she's gonna keep pulling that string.
So where'd you get this?
Where'd you get that?
You could she could spend the whole debate making you look like you don't know where you got your stats, even though you do know.
But it is such, it's such a cheap tactic.
It's like a five, it's like a one dollar attack and it's if you do it and if you do debate again, you're you're probably never gonna debate Anna again, because she'd be an idiot to step in there and do it again twice.
One of the debater debaters has obviously not been properly taken care of in too long, and it wasn't you, Pearl.
Um, the no comment.
Um, Pearl should have brought her guitar.
Nobody likes getting hit with a hurled guitar.
That's what I was thinking during the debate.
I'm like the only reason you can talk like this is because there's security right there.
I could beat your ass like.
I am a tall woman, we all think like that and you should actually take some boxing lessons, Pearl.
You'd be good at it.
You know what?
I got offered a bunch of money to debate an only fans girl and I turned it down because I just felt like I make money with my face, uh-huh.
So i'm like, what's the like?
What if they ruin it?
You're talking about fighting an only fans girl.
She went to the to box.
Aiden Ross wanted me to go on his stream and like box somebody.
No, don't do that, but take boxing lessons, just in case you need to do it.
What's your next question?
You have asserted that men shouldn't get married, that instead they should.
I didn't say that.
You did say that You should have owned it.
You should have owned it right there.
Said, yes, I did.
Because it's a raw fucking deal for men.
Yeah.
That's what I was saying.
I said, you should have said that it's a bad deal for men.
Yeah.
Because I say it on my show all the time that I'm trying to bring the marriage rates to zero.
Because so many people get fucked up getting married.
And the way the laws are, man, the dude gets crucified.
Yeah.
There's no good argument for a man to get married.
But Terrence, I love her.
I love her, man.
I love her.
I love her, man.
People should never do it.
Get out of here.
Terrence, if a guy wants to do it anyway, what would you tell him to do with his money?
Well, number one, he needs to take serious steps to hide his assets.
And like if he had a lot of money, he could have a professional set up like two or three tiers to hide his income.
And then he could have an offshore bank account just in case it goes south.
He could literally just transfer out of the country and there's really nothing they could do about it.
So you'd say an offshore bank account is the best thing.
That's like the last, the last thing.
But my asset protection skills are long since degraded because the laws have changed.
So if you really have a lot of money and you want to protect your assets, you need to hire a professional.
I'm surprised Pearl wasn't turned into stone by looking at Anna.
Gorgons can turn you to stone with just one stare.
Yep.
Argument for men to get married is the same argument as playing the lottery.
When you win, it's awesome, but the odds suck.
Oh, yeah, they do.
Back up, live with a girlfriend instead of getting married.
Do you think the advice you give to right here?
I mean, you could have said, what changes between having a live-in girlfriend and a wife?
What changes?
What changes if I don't decide to do the $20,000 ceremony and hand over my life to the state and to her whims?
It's $35,000 now.
They just had an article out of the Synth, The Avatar.
American Dead.
$35,000.
It's crazy.
What really changes here?
And no one has an answer for that because really what women want is the status.
They want to be able to flex on their friends and to tell other women that they're married so they can be the cool girl out of the group.
But there's nothing in it for you as a man, really.
And they want the bag.
They want the option if they are not happy to fire up the Bermuda Triangle, which is their vagina, run a whole forest of cock through it and take half your shit and make you look like an idiot.
Yeah.
That was an easy one.
Let's be honest.
That was an easy one.
But, you know, it's just lack of experience.
That's all that was.
Yeah.
You have the bright lights in your face.
You know, I wouldn't have done, I would have done a lot worse in Pearlie Day.
I'm not even joking around.
I would have done a lot worse.
What would you have done?
You know, the worst part about it for me is at least you freeze up.
Like when I get nervous, I mean, I have a stutter anyway, so I would have been a stuttering freaking idiot this whole time, dude.
You did a lot better than I would have done a situation leagues better.
Oh, I thought you meant like you'd get mad and start screaming at her or something.
Well, yeah.
You know, I would have got angry, but you know, me getting angry, I told you I get incoherent and they look by a speech impediment when I get all messed up.
At least you went quiet.
So it's the type of advice that will fulfill their lives.
Because I'll tell you one thing: the best part of my life is my husband.
I love my husband.
He's my rock.
He's my foundation.
There, I'm looking for the stats again.
I'm like, and no, my husband is number one.
I love my career, but you know what?
My career did?
When I met my husband, my career was already established.
He, on the other hand, was couch surfing.
He was in debt and didn't know what he wanted to do with his life.
I married him anyway.
You want to know why?
Because I had the economic freedom to marry for love.
Not for love.
So, stop it right there, real quick.
So, this part right here, I kind of pity Ann for saying this because this is going to have negative ramifications in her life down the road.
And this was so stupid for her to talk like this about her current husband.
I literally was out, I was out in the fucking stances going, I can't fucking believe she's doing this.
I mean, that dude's going to be doing, he's going to be breakdancing in his grave 50 years after he dies because of what she did right there.
Like, he's going to be embarrassed.
He'll be who.
All right.
Yeah.
I wasn't sure if you were going down the route if he could put her on alimony or something because that would be hilarious.
He actually could.
That would be honestly, that would be the funny thing.
Like, imagine if she got put on alimony.
But the thing is, is to a man, honor and respect are at the very top of priorities for that individual, especially if he's a masculine man.
And if you, if you're going to step on a man's honor and respect or disrespect him like that, that is not a good thing for any dude.
30,000 people were watching her say, Hey, my husband was a couch surfing loser.
You know, she could have worded it differently.
That's the thing.
She could have worded it like, Hey, I supported his dreams when he wasn't able to.
And that would have been nicer, but she had to use the words couch surfing, like some calling a college kid, weed addicted college kid that doesn't know what to do with his life.
And he was a former professional athlete.
So she didn't like like he was actually that's a pretty big accomplishment.
So she could have framed it like he just retired from his career, you know, his very successful career, and he wasn't, you know.
But she said, couch surfing loser, basically.
She was trying to appeal to the men in the crowd by saying, like, hey, we love you at any, any, anyway.
Well, we know that's not true.
So to take care of me.
How tall is he?
Oh, he's 6'1, about your height.
How many kids would you give a woman in the crowd?
None.
I don't want kids.
Let's not do shouting questions from there, please.
How does the crowd get moderated?
But she could say whatever she's two to debate each other.
Okay, what's your question?
I mean, you don't really have much to answer, so I don't know what else to ask you.
Do you think you're helping men by discouraging them from entering fulfilling marriages?
What happens to men if they don't pay child support?
I mean, what happens?
What happens, Anna?
How many men do you think get what happens?
I don't know what the number is, but the idea that there's like a huge number of men getting arrested for not doing what they're supposed to do and take care of their children, it's not a huge issue.
What happens to men when they don't really only 60% of child support payments get paid out?
You got allowed her to interrogate you, not them.
You got to stop yelling questions at her.
You can minimize men's problems all you want, but I don't think you understand how privileged of a position you're in.
In what way?
How am I privileged?
Men are the ones that are on the hook for child support.
Men are the ones that are on the hook for alimony.
It's easy for you to tell 10, tell men to just take the risk when you're not in that position.
So, are you asserting that men shouldn't pay child support following a divorce?
Again, here she is doing emotional shit right there.
She's trying to bait you into an emotional argument.
You literally should have said, Yes, I am because it should be 50-50 custody.
Feminism has won.
I'm going to give you the same answer I would give a man: handle your shit.
Yeah, you would have shut her down right there on the spot.
That would have been such a good, yeah, you're right.
What?
Yeah, she said, This is what you wanted.
You win, you know, like you did in the obviously the second half, but you should have said, Hey, you, you wanted to be, you wanted this, you wanted that.
Just remember that everything you want, there's a price, and this is the price.
And you keep looking away from the price, and the price is men suffering.
So, you got what you wanted, but men have to suffer.
That's it.
And also, remember, a divorce and alimony, it comes from a woman making the decision to leave.
She has to make the decision to leave to initiate all of this craziness.
It's based upon the woman's choice.
If she can see, if she can suck up and leave an abusive relationship, she can deal with everything that comes along with it.
Yeah, well, 100% wanted to be equal.
So, I say be equal.
If you guys want equality, 50-50 custody, no child support, no alimony, no special privileges.
Alimony is paid out in 10 years.
It doesn't matter, it does matter.
It does matter because you make it seem like it's a widespread issue when it's the 10-10 doctrine.
It's a sexist law against men.
That's sexy.
How is it sexist if a woman has decided to forego a career decided to be a stay-at-home mother?
It's like again, again, I know, but the thing is, she's going back to the emotional thing.
And you should have said, if a man decides to be like, You should, oh, this would have been great.
You could have said, So, you're telling me if your stay-at-home couchsurfing husband decided to divorce you, he wouldn't get alimony.
Oh, my God.
Why did I think of that?
That would have been so funny.
So, you're good.
I should say, so you're good with paying alimony if your husband leaves you.
Yeah, literally, could have flipped it on her.
But this whole time, she's framing it like these, like relationships happen to women and breakups happen to them.
They are deciding to leave.
This whole thing could have been set up.
Women are Kevin Samuels, are wrecking their homes and they don't want to deal with the consequences and the outcomes of wrecking their homes, their home wreckers, who don't want to deal with the consequences.
Yeah.
And the marriage doesn't work out.
She has no job.
She has no income.
So you think it's unfair to get support from her ex-husband so she can raise the kids.
60%.
60% of kids under five have daycare.
Daycare is an option now.
You wanted to be men.
Do you know how much daycare cost?
You wanted to be men.
Here you know how much daycare costs.
Do you think it's free?
Let her answer.
Let her answer.
A lot of things are expensive, Anna.
I mean, it's not.
That's not an answer.
Women have 85% of consumer spending.
Women spend money all the time.
You spend money on hair dye.
You spend money on Botox.
You spend money.
You should think about it.
I shouldn't have pivoted to there.
I should have just said, you want to be equal.
That was like a bad rabbit hole to go down.
Oh, did you see that, Mitch?
Hold on.
Alimony is paid out in 10 days.
It doesn't matter.
It does matter.
Matter because you make it seem like it's a widespread issue when the 10-year-time doctrine is a sexist law against men.
That's how is it sexist if a woman has decided to forego a career, decided to be a stay-at-home mother, and the marriage doesn't work out.
She has no job, she has no income.
So, you think it's unfair to get support from her ex-husband so she can raise the kids.
60% of kids under five have daycare.
Daycare is an option now.
You want it to be men.
Do you know how much daycare cost is?
You want it to be men.
Here you go.
You know how much daycare costs.
Do you think it's free?
Let her answer.
Let her answer.
A lot of things are expensive, Anna.
I mean, it's then that's not an answer.
Women have 85% of consumer spending.
Women spend money all the time.
You spend money on hair dye.
You spend money on Botox.
You spend money.
You should think about it.
Oh, there you go.
Another personal attack.
See, see, I thought that you thought that you were going to go for her nose job right there.
I forgot about it.
I get.
See, that's what I'm saying.
How did she win the like?
Don't personal attacks deduct points?
Of course not.
It's like.
So then why don't you just guys call each other ugly for 30 minutes?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what are the rules here?
And I could tell that you were just like, because I could see the look on your, I can see you kind of contemplate confused that she was literally attacking you and just going low like that.
Well, I was waiting for the moderator to tell her to stop, to be honest.
Yeah, I mean, no, again, again, this is growing pains.
They'll get better.
It is what it is.
And I have a feeling so they can get more views.
They want to allow a certain amount of personal attacks, which, you know, it's all good to go.
It is what it is.
But you would have actually paid.
Yeah.
What?
You would have actually served yourself pretty good if you said, what's up with the personal attacks, Anna?
I know.
I should have been more prepared in that way, but I don't know.
Of course, you don't want kids.
You're too old anyway.
That's okay.
Women make poor choices, pure happenstance.
Men must save her.
Woman imposes failure on men entirely his fault.
He must pay patriarch my butt.
Okay.
I sure am.
You spend money all of the time.
So you wanted to be men.
Here it is.
You're equal.
Pay for daycare.
There you go.
Equality means that when you have a child or children, you're both responsible.
So the idea that the woman should take 100% of the costs on herself without any help from her husband or ex-husband is ridiculous.
How is that fair?
Well, how is it fair that he doesn't get 50-50 custody?
Well, first of all, why are you asserting that they don't right there?
That was perfect.
You see how she paused?
She was like, first of all, and then she had to like say something else.
That's you see how you just got her with some thing is it's the easy stuff that gets these women, right?
It's never like some weird stat.
It's always like logic, like, hey, if you want 50-50, then why don't you give me 50% of the custody?
Men are happy.
We'll cut the lawn while carrying the baby.
We'll work in the shed while carrying the baby.
We don't mind.
So why not give us 50-50?
And right there, she just tripped herself up.
It's perfect.
And also, I'm going to just read the super chat really quick and I'll let you go.
Paul, you didn't take an LU cooked or Anna is a child.
Thank you.
Go ahead, Doug.
We gotta figure out a way to address this whole fair thing.
If anyone else brings up fair, we gotta like there's no expectation of fairness in the world of men.
Yeah, men don't expect things to be fair.
Women want to be happy at work, they want things to be fair.
I keep telling you, feminism, life is not fair for a man.
So, women, so equality is women advocating for their lives to be as unfair for them as it is for men.
You have 50% custody.
Where has ammunition?
I've been unanswered, even though I should be interrogating you.
I'll answer your question.
Massive study out of Massachusetts.
See, it's like again, I try to talk and they don't let me go.
Or, like, that's like, what am I supposed to do if like I'm against somebody and they're just like they did, like, they just keep interrupting me.
Like, look at the look at the moderator and just like do a hand gesture.
Like, hey, am I trying to speak or what?
Yeah, so I should, I should have just drew more attention to it instead of just like giving up, basically.
Instead of just letting your fine go, I should have just drew more attention to it.
Yeah, I would have done the, I would have looked at the moderator and been like, yo, like, hey, can you do your job?
Like, can you, can you fix this?
Because it's obviously not part of the debate, you know?
Yeah, Karen Straw, Paul Elam, Kevin Samuels could have given you better ammunition.
MGTOW is the only way to stay safe.
Do you know what?
I had ammunition.
I just kind of choked a little bit.
So it is what we way better if you just had all of the stats on two pages that you could flip back and forth between.
Yeah.
That looked at 24,000 divorces.
In those 25 divorces, they found that in only 8% of cases, did men ask for custody.
Let me look at the hold on.
Oh, only 8%.
Oh, yeah, because men don't ask for custody because they know they're going to lose.
Because it's like they know.
Yeah.
This goes back to that narrative where women ask men, why didn't you fight for your children?
The person making you fight and costing you money is asking you why you didn't fight for your children.
Anna goes on the claim women get full custody 40% of the time.
She's using a lowball figure from a sample taken in Wisconsin in 2008.
Other data suggests full custody up to 80% of the time, with most data around 50 to 60%.
Female full custody for all the custody agreements, not just those decided in court.
It varies year by year in jurisdiction by jurisdiction.
In custody battles in court, it's awarded to the muddle mother 80 to 85 or 85 to 90 percent of the time.
Men get full custody 28 percent of the time is hilarious.
In converse to the low ball figure for women, she rounds up to the standard figure for men in the census data.
So she's picking and choosing and manipulating her numbers.
The point is to make female full custody as innocently uncommon as possible, even though she can only beat it down to 40% and male custody to seem as common as possible.
40% of the time it's shared custody.
Nah, you almost have to cut that in half.
And all custody agreements, including those out of court, it's 20 to 25%.
40% is pure bullshit.
Her intern just did the sloppy math from the previous two figures.
Anna implies shared custody is 50-50.
When in fact, the 20 to 20% of the time, it can be 60, 40, 70, 30, 80, 20.
So not even quite the ideal situation.
Yeah.
Is it me or is Pearl like froze?
Yeah, Pearl is frozen.
She'll come back, I guess.
All right.
I thought maybe it was my system going crazy.
Well, guys, if you haven't already liked the video, subscribe to the channel.
Subscribe to Nuclear Click channel.
And I'm going to put Terrence Bob's channel in there.
Subscribe to these guys and support because they did a really good job in helping Pearl get ready.
We got her to the point where she said that she's ready, and that's the best she can do.
And all I did was moral support.
It was all you guys, you uh, Doug and um and Terrence.
So I'm just there to I just wanted to see you guys, I just wanted to hang out.
So, um, and guys, once again, Anna's where she is at because Anna's where she is because of Shink Uger.
If it wasn't for him, most of these women built their platforms off the off of the back of a man, and Pearl hasn't done that.
She's doing this with a small team of people, and she's learning as she goes.
Where did when did I stop talking?
Because, because I didn't, um, I my internet went out, and I didn't notice.
When did you guys when, like, when did I come up?
It was like two or three minutes back.
No way.
Oh my God, I was reading this whole thing.
Okay, well, that the stats you gave about custody were really off, basically, is what I was reading.
um yeah it's not that high but let me just keep going okay because the average american can't afford divorce fees anna But women cost to raise the children by themselves without support from the ex-husband.
How does that make sense?
What did you say?
I didn't hear you.
You're complaining about the costs while simultaneously arguing that a woman should not get child support in order to raise the children that the former couple had together.
Are you guys equal or not?
There you go.
Equality means that you're both responsible for raising the children, and that includes the cost.
You should have equality, but not at the expense of men.
50-50 custody, 50-50, no child support, no alimony.
That's equality.
You don't alimony make sense if the woman is a stay-at-home mother and doesn't have income.
How does it take care of the kids following a divorce by getting a job just like the men?
Yeah.
There you go.
So you're saying that a woman who doesn't have recent job history is just going to willy-nilly enter the job force and or workforce, I should say, and easily get hired.
Do you guys do you care about the children or not?
There's that right there.
That right there.
Positive, positive, positive husband for ex-husband who doesn't want to pay the child support, doesn't want you know to take on any of the responsibilities of having children in the first place.
Why is it that you seem to have a problem with men carrying out their responsibilities?
But when it comes to men are dying to care about their responsibilities, men are fighting to be a part of their kids' lives.
What's the empirical data on that?
See, there's people in here.
I've had a family or a friend fight for their kid and not be able to get it.
The reason that this happens, Anna, is because lawyers tell them not to fight because it's so expensive and they won't win.
What is that?
You have to provide.
Look, Pearl, okay, this is now she's being condescending here.
Yeah.
You know, she's being condescending.
And that, in my opinion, that it's very disrespectful.
And again, this all could have been rectified with these two pages of all the stats.
So you can easily.
So, yeah.
And you know, I mean, of the whole first half of the debate, this is the actual worst part for you right here.
And honestly, anytime, I mean, this could have turned into a where are your stats?
Where are your stats?
Where are your stats?
But you kept going.
You could have turned this into both of you two questioning each other's stats and not getting anywhere, but you kept going with your argument, looking for your stats.
I think it was effective as a guide to keep framing it as grow up because every time you had like a grow up moment, like hey, 50-50, that means that doesn't mean you get to take my money.
And you know, if you're it's 50-50, right?
Whenever you appeal to a sense of maturity, she seems to trip up.
So, I guess if you ever get into the ring with a woman like her or her, always appeal to that side because that kills feminists right there.
Because to them, they cannot conceptualize: hey, part of being an adult is that there's consequences, and 50-50 means 50-50, and that's it.
Well, and the other thing, too, is they want more power, that's why they keep going to data is because they don't want you to believe what you see and what's happened to you.
They want to be the arbiters of your reality, and so they get these like feminist bullshit studies to just back up whatever they want.
Yeah, that's why we stayed in COVID, lockdown, and COVID, and screwed over, but because everyone believed the scientists, and turns out they were wrong, they were so wrong that they put people on ventilators and that killed them.
You know, only the cloud chasers and harlots thought Anna won.
Well, yeah, so but I need more than anecdotes, I need more than vibes and feelings because we're talking about something serious here.
We're talking about raising children, we're talking about the shared responsibility of raising children.
That, of course, 90% of disputed custody goes to women.
That's not equal.
90%.
That's a totally made-up statistic.
Where are you citing that from?
There she is again.
There it is.
All right, let's take a break there because our time actually ran out.
What are you supposed to do?
Those opening interrogations are over.
Yep.
Let's take a moment here.
Grab a sip of water.
All right.
The next step is going to be 30 minutes.
We're going to open it up.
Oh, this was the rough part.
This was way too much time.
Way too much time.
I was a little confused too because I was supposed to cross-examine her and do my questions.
And I'm realizing now they skipped it.
And I don't know how I didn't realize it at the time.
Keep it up, Pearl.
Proud of you.
Finding a virtuous woman is hard.
No such thing doesn't exist.
You're right.
Save you some time.
Like, trust no women, not even me.
Again, open debate.
I have to remind you guys: I know everyone's passionate about this.
I get that.
But you can't have multiple people debating at the same time, right?
We've got one debater here.
We got one debater here.
Let's keep it here.
All right.
Let's put 30 minutes on the clock and let's begin the open debate.
Perhaps I'll let you pick up here.
Go ahead.
What happens to men when they don't pay child support?
There are consequences for it, especially when there's a court order for them to carry out their responsibility and pay child support so that child can be raised.
And what happens?
Do you think there shouldn't be legal responsibilities or legal consequences if they fail to carry out a court order to take care of their kids?
I've interviewed men that have paid millions of dollars and don't care about your interviews.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't matter.
What I need is actual stuff.
Why did she mention her husband?
Then why did she mention her husband earlier?
Because that's an act though.
And also, again, this is whenever she fights the anecdote thing, just out.
I know it's a cheap trick, but tell that to that man right there sitting down, you know.
But I don't know if Terrence probably would have been comfortable with that, but you know, it's a cheap trick, but she's using cheap tricks too, you know?
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, you're just seeing a difference in experience here.
Like, Anna is used to talking in front of the camera and is you know like the professional at this, you're you're not.
Yeah, I mean, that it is what it is.
I think I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna freeze soon.
I'll eat it.
I think it's coming up.
Sorry, go ahead, Terrence.
It's okay, I'm done.
It's all good.
Sorry, okay.
Statistic, empirical evidence they should pay their child support $441.
What happened is the average child support payment $441 a month.
Yeah, that's for someone that makes $24,000.
You just told me that's exactly right.
Just go to work and take care of the kids totally by herself 50% of the time.
Yeah.
$500 a month on $24,000 a year.
You think $500 a month is too much in child support?
Do you know?
Like, what the fuck is wrong with this woman?
Like, I just, sorry, go ahead.
You see, no, so like high average in states, the average child support payment in Massachusetts is $1,187 a month.
In Nevada, it's $1,146.
In Rhode Island, in New Hampshire, it's $1,000 a month.
So tell that to the guys in Massachusetts payment, $1,100 on average.
We should have had those stats ready to go for you.
Yeah.
Do you know what?
No, the worst part is we did, but I knew.
Like, you see, I stopped kind of looking.
I'm just like, I don't know where it is.
That's why I came better at the half-time because I got rid of all the paper I didn't need.
And then I just got, I just pulled the, remember, we pulled the pages that I needed.
Yep.
And we ripped those motherfuckers out.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I know.
Screw that.
You know, what I, you know, what I should have did.
All right.
What would you guys think of this play?
If I said, look, I'm like, this packet, I messed up.
Can I go fix it really quick?
And I'll come back with your step, like your statistics.
If I pulled that and asked for an early intermission, do you think that would have been better or worse than what happened?
Because that wouldn't happen.
It would have been worse.
I think it was good that you stayed there the whole time.
I mean, you look busted, but you stood there with 10 toes down.
And people always respect that.
Always.
Yeah, you did good.
I mean, you got caught flat-footed.
It is what it is.
Yeah.
Okay.
How much it costs to raise a child?
Do you know how much child care costs, for instance?
I mean, that mother has to go to work, right?
Where is the kid going to stay while that mother is working?
How is she going to pay for the stakeholder pay child support?
Sorry, say that again.
What happens to men when they don't pay child support?
I've been asking the same question.
There are legal practices for not carrying out a court mandate.
Do you think that do something?
Do you think that fraud should be illegal?
Absolutely.
Okay.
So, why is it not illegal for women to fraud men on paternity?
If a man does not find out he's the father over the age of two, he is on the hook for child support for 18 years.
I don't, I don't know where hell is when it comes to that, but it's wrong.
If you're lying up paternity, that is wrong, and there should be legal consequences.
Why haven't feminists fought?
That's simple.
Then, why, why, why aren't feminists fighting for it, Anna?
Because feminists fight for women, obviously, right?
That's my point.
At the expense of men, yes, you got her so good right there.
And you could have followed her up with an uppercut saying, see what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, right there.
I don't honestly, again, I don't think you did as bad as you think you did.
It's just so much time.
And I think you were on defense here, but you were holding your own.
I think you did all right here.
You know, personal.
I'm biased, but you know.
But the thing is that what made you look bad is you didn't have the stats on hand to come back in a reasonable amount of time.
And it's not a bad thing if you look at papers during a debate.
It's not a bad thing.
I would have to look at a bunch of papers because my memory is shit after I got my fucking, my fucking bucket blown up in Iraq in 04.
You guys want to believe women at the expense of men.
Why isn't Amber Heard in jail?
Because of the Me Too movement, you guys pushed believing all rape victims, and now we have rape.
And now we had to pay massive settlements.
She actually did it.
You want her in jail?
Yes.
Well, the penalties for defamation.
Court's decision is.
See what she did.
I love the conviction there.
It was great conviction.
Yes.
See what I'm saying?
Like, you're finally catching up.
It was almost like you flipped her up because she's trying to see if you're going to say something mean and not mean it or something.
But you said, yes, I mean it.
And then conviction is very important in debates.
Coming up here, you see how she switched it from false accusations to defamation.
At the end of this, you bring it back to false accusations.
And I was so happy that you did that.
Watch, here it comes.
Prison for defamation.
Defamation?
She did two different countries to clear his name.
Why isn't she in jail?
He lost millions of dollars.
To be clear, you think the penalty for defamation is prison time.
I think the penalty for a false accusation is that the woman should get the same time that he would have gotten if he was found guilty.
Men don't.
There it is.
Boom.
Men don't go to prison for deafening.
What the fuck is wrong with this?
What's he?
Yeah.
I almost jumped out of my chair when you said that.
I was like, yes.
And see, this is the problem with feminists.
You want all these freedoms, but you want to actually be equal.
I do want equality.
No, if you wanted to be equal, you would fight for 50-50 child support.
No alimony.
No alimony.
You got stumbled up there a little bit.
Again, if a woman decided to force.
Yeah, I went blank.
I don't know what happens.
And again, she pulls back on the women.
Again, this is an argument.
Like, women are inferior and they raise the kids and it's the dude's fault for not paying.
You stuck to your guns on that one.
And she literally keeps going back to that same fucking bullshit.
I'm getting worked up here.
I got to stop swearing.
I mean, this is my swear all you want.
Decided to stay home to raise the children and the marriage doesn't work out.
She's got no income whatsoever.
She doesn't deserve anything.
Aren't even doing that, number one.
That's not even a common.
Women are not staying home with the kids.
And number two, you have daycare.
A lot of women do these days.
You have traditional women who want to stay home.
They want to be traditional wives.
And you trash them all the time, which I don't understand.
It seems like women can't do anything right when it comes to you, right?
They're stay-at-home moms.
They're traditional.
I understand.
You see what she's doing?
She's badgering you and keeping going to an emotional fucking argument.
That's exactly what she was doing.
Think about it: what she's doing right now hasn't been done to you on your pregame show and stuff.
It was just, it was just this environment.
Like, I think that once you get used to this environment, you can come back at female debaters like you used to come back at these stupid ass women that used to infest your apartment in London.
Man, a quick response would have been like, slow down, Anna.
Slow down.
You know, make like accuse her of like, hey, you're starting to speak fast.
Slow down, Anna.
I'm not done.
That would have been like Andrew Williams.
Stop spurging.
Stop spurging.
Well, that's how I think the second half she stopped because I started saying she was nagging.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was awesome.
This type of nagging drives men to super on your show when these pimps come out, you always say you'll mute him and be like, now she's crashing out.
You could use that too.
Here comes the crash out.
There it is.
There's the crash out.
I was thinking about it and I'm like, I think that, like, if I was a guy, and you guys can tell me as guys, if you had to get cheated on once a month or come home to nagging every day, but she still sleeps with you whenever you want, I think most men would take a little infidelity over nagging.
I think, as long as they're still like the kids are yours and stuff, I'm like, because this nagging would, oh my God, so I would just divorce her.
Well, I'm just saying, no, there's a gun to your head.
That's why it's a hypothetical.
Hold on.
Hold on.
My dog wants to go outside.
Okay.
Okay.
Hold on.
I'm going to play it.
I'm going to let you guys for a second.
Okay.
These are things that you have said on the record multiple times.
But if you cared about equality, you would care about false accusations.
You care about false accusations.
No, you don't.
You don't know me.
You don't know what I care about.
You see that right there?
Okay.
Let's talk about rights that men do not have.
Men do not have the right to be enlisted in selective service.
You know, we have 125K men who were drafted and buried overseas.
Think about that over a second.
You talk about the oppressions of the past, but how many men died in World War I and World War II and had no choice?
And yet, Anna complains about oppression.
Men do not have the right to face their accuser in court when they have a false allegation and for personal protection orders that strips constitutional rights away from the man.
Women go before a judge and say they don't feel safe.
And more than likely, a PP order will be issued.
The man was not in court, had no say, has no defense, and does not get to face his accuser.
That is done en masse.
And many servicemen and first responders lose their careers over this because it strips a man's Second Amendment rights away based on no evidence.
Men were getting the right to raise their children.
Divorce is no fault.
You see how Pearl kept going right there?
Yeah.
See that?
That's every time that she questioned it, she just kept on walking right past it because you're doing it right here and it's perfect.
I was shot in the head and forced to be a stay-at-home dad.
Our sons were nine and an infant.
I did it for five years and it was the easiest job I ever had.
When the kiddos went to school, it was cake.
Women are exaggerating how difficult it is.
Talk about this all the time.
They catastrophize everything.
Like, men catastrophize.
I got to write that down.
That's it's hard to, it's hard to say.
Catastrophe.
Brains on nuke.
Look at the brains on.
No, I got it from Ryan Stone, but um, you guys get the idea.
Like, we know that's a good idea going in the book.
Uh, when a man has to take care of the kids, he has a list and it's that like, okay, they got to play, they like Peppa Pig, they got to get uh, they go to bed at seven, this is their favorite food.
Boom, boom, boom, done, done, done, right?
Yep, and it's just like easy, right?
It's almost like a dog, but that can talk to you.
Um, for women, it's just like they're the chicken isn't cut to the way they like it.
What am I gonna do?
And they freak out over like small things like that.
So, do you know what I was thinking?
I think women are just so retarded that we do things in the most inefficient way possible possible.
And so, like, what would take a guy like two hours to like do stuff for the kids takes women five, you know, because we're just reminding you to drink, we have to remind women to drink water.
Who do you have to?
I don't, I don't think that's a true thing in the army.
It is, yeah.
In the Navy, we had a Navy chief pass out because he didn't drink water, and that's all we talked about for like two weeks.
And we made fun of him because he passed out in the engine room.
Yeah, that's important.
So, um, that's my guys, that's our BFs leftist brand is kindness.
You got her to drop her a mask.
This is not a real win, not talking points.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, she won the debate.
Like, I mean, they're a winner.
So, that's what it always makes me laugh when women assume that a woman can be a single mother, but a man can't be a single father.
They're like, oh, I don't know how a man could be able to get everything a single mother gets done.
Men will do it a lot, a lot easier, a lot more efficient, and a lot better.
Hold on, now my dog is too let in.
It's always the man's fault.
He loses his children to the system 96 hours a month.
The father does not make men have longer prison sentences.
Women get a third of the time for the same crime.
Where are the feminists fighting for equality on that issue?
There have been rampant discrimination against better qualified men in hiring across multiple industries.
Men pay more child support, and child support orders are not enforced at the same rates between men and women.
Women are more likely not to pay on our prosecution at lower rates.
Men cannot opt out of parenthood.
Men have very few domestic violence shelters and are not taken seriously when they're domestic violence victims.
I agree on that.
White men in particular are discriminated against when it comes to hiring and educational attainment.
True.
The Duluth model is a model that law enforcement, courts, and counselors use automatically that assumes men are the aggressor.
The tender years doctrine is a guideline in divorce used to justify removing the father from the child's life.
The only institutional sexism that exists is institutional sexism that discriminates against men in favor of women.
Furthermore, you require receipts to show how that money is spent by the custodial parent.
Yeah, yeah.
We lose Pearl again.
I think Pearl's freezing up.
Yeah, I think because I think this is what she says.
Oh, so you want big daddy government to look into how single mothers are spending their money?
She should have said yes.
Hell yes.
She could have said yes because they're already doing that for the enforcement of child support.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, so you got to add another office to the child support fucking labor force.
Big deal.
Yeah, fraud investigations.
There you go.
Yep.
It needs to be a department of child support efficiency.
But the thing is, is like she brought up the stat, like the average child support is $400 a fucking a month, right?
There's a lot of guys out there who are paying a lot of child support and they only get to see their kids every other weekend.
So what they're basically doing is they're paying this money to their ex-wife or baby mama for her to install a revolving door in the front and back door for the conga line of cocks that's going to come through that house, and every one of those cocks is going to be able to spend more time around your kids than you will as their fucking father.
Yeah, that's happened my to my best friend.
He, he left uh, his girls behind and when we were on deployed she got a new boyfriend, got pregnant again and there's a stranger around his four uh, two-year-old and four-year-old.
There's a strange man.
That's my nightmare dude, that's my nightmare.
Do you understand?
Like, as a man?
How are we?
What do you even do in that situation?
There is a strange man in your house that you don't know, around the most healthy creature on earth, which is a four-year-old girl.
I interviewed.
I interviewed one guy who the mother was dating a convicted sex offender and there's nothing you could do about it.
Yep, a b dub, right?
No, it was a white guy.
Oh wow um, I need a new internet provider.
I think I figured out the problem.
There's like a wi-fi extender and I think I was on the other network, so I might have fixed it.
We'll see.
Um, i'll go back a few Doug.
Sorry, did you have to want to say something?
This, this MAN O'clock NEWS?
He, he sent a super chat.
It was right before epic 76 is, yeah, Pearl was civilized and Anna was overly aggressive and disrespectful this isn't an l and approved Pearl's point by acting out.
Way to go Pearl, thank you.
Um, stats are bs.
Leftist brand is kindness.
You got her to drop her mask.
This is not a real win.
Uh oh, I read this one already.
Okay, keep going.
Why isn't she in jail?
He lost millions of dollars.
To be clear, you think the penalty for defamation is.
I think I played this part.
I'm gonna go a little more forward, can you?
I can put, I can put his up on the screen.
You didn't read it.
Can you read that one?
Um, you should have hired a criminal offense attorney and prepared for a cross-examination.
You should have gone over your information also.
Land whales, yeah, maybe for the next date.
I'll do that.
I'll see if I can, if I can like.
They're kind of expensive though guys, this isn't like CNN, this is I don't know what um funding you think we have, not what these other networks have.
I'll tell you that um, women who want to stay home, they want to be traditional wives, and you trash them all the time, which I don't understand.
I think I stay.
Let's go to 25, maybe automatically.
That assumes men are the aggressor.
The tender years doctrine is, a guy 50, 50 child support, no alimony.
I think we already did this, no alimony.
Where, where were we before?
I keep trying to like five minutes past this.
Okay here yeah, fair Use, automatically.
That assumes men are the aggressor.
The tender years doctrine is a guideline in divorce used to justify removing the father from the child's life.
The only institutional sexism that exists is institutional sexism that discriminates against men in favor of women.
Furthermore, U.S. courts do not require receipts to show how that money is spent by the custodial parent unless there's overwhelming evidence of starvation, malnutrition, or severe child abuse.
There are no restrictions.
You want the government to check receipts and see, like, let's let her respond to something.
Let's understand something.
What?
Sorry.
That was like the only time I got to go.
Yeah.
What?
And when she said that, when she said, you want the government to manage all the spending, you should have said, yes, I do.
We already have a huge government apparatus collecting child support.
Might as well add an extra office to make sure it's spent on the children.
There you go.
Say, I'm all about transparency.
Yeah.
Boom.
We're already spending the money.
Might as well spend it on something useful.
You know, yeah.
That's right.
You want government to be so big that you literally have the government looking at receipts to see what a mother but I'm not a political commentator.
I don't really talk about like she's trying to lump me in with normal conservatives and saying like like I don't think I've ever at least not recently talked about a deep uh a deep the deep end of or the deep lake.
You know, she knows uh whenever they bring government into that stuff, it adds a different dimension because now she's going to she's she's framing it in the political sense, right?
Because everyone hates big government.
So now she's trying to take the people like libertarians and shit and turn them against you and all that stuff.
But you have to hold your ground.
You know for spending the money on that's insane.
I want no child support, no alimony 50 50.
Yeah, because you're crazy and you don't live in reality.
So there's an insult right there.
You're crazy and you don't live in reality, except you are all for equality until it's time to hold women to the standard of 50-50 actual real world equality.
Yeah.
That would have been, you would have, man, you would have destroyed her right there.
That would have been awesome.
Next time.
Yeah.
Well, you live and you learn.
It's listen.
It's okay to take the L, but if you walk away with a lesson, it's not a true loss.
Yeah.
No, I learned a lot because it wasn't, that's what I realized.
It wasn't effort.
It was like, I just, I, there, I should have used a different strategy when studying for this debate.
And for the next debate, I understand the strategy I should use.
It was the you don't know what you don't know.
So absolutely correct.
Yeah, someone tweeted she couldn't mute her opponent.
No, that would have been so helpful.
That would have been amazing if I could have muted her.
I want equality.
I'm more of a feminist than you, Anna.
There you go.
Boom.
Because I say if you want to vote, be in selective service, be on the front lines, just like the men are.
What do you think gives birth to and raises those soldiers?
Again, emotional argument.
What does that have to do with anything?
There you go.
That women shouldn't be allowed to vote because they're not all in mandatory military service.
I say be equal.
You want to vote.
Do what the men do.
Men are fine.
Should women be found in combat?
Men should women be included in combat.
Yes.
Okay.
Do what the men do.
Fair.
Do what the men do.
Yeah, fair.
Agreed.
Next.
And this is like, we're like, well, okay, listen.
She knew she couldn't go against you on this one because it's radically unfair.
Because men, if they don't sign up for selective service, they don't get to vote.
Women get to vote for free.
You know, I'm watching this back.
I don't think it was as bad as I thought.
No, yeah, I'm telling you, it wasn't as bad.
You know, it was not as bad.
I think there's one.
I don't, we haven't gotten to the pause.
I think that was pretty bad, but I'm like watching it through.
Like, I was just a little nervous, but it's not terrible.
Next?
Nothing?
Okay.
I want to know what your ideal woman is.
Because if you are a traditional conservative woman who's married, staying at home, raising kids, you trash them.
There's no such thing as a traditional woman.
There you go.
They cannot be traditional in 2025 because women will always have the leverage.
What does that mean?
What does it mean?
She's too dumb to figure out.
Mean that women always have a leverage.
Yeah.
You literally could have said, Dana, I've been talking about this for 40 minutes now.
Yeah.
So true.
Back on women have alimony.
So 10% of divorces end with alimony settlements.
And 10%.
And they go.
You just ignore it.
Hang on.
She keeps.
Hang on a minute.
I don't want to interrupt.
She keeps bringing only 10% of people pay alimony.
It's not that big of a deal unless you're part of that 10%.
Then it is a fucking big deal.
I interviewed a guy who is a parole or corrections officer, and he had like six or seven.
The guys that have a lot of kids kind of get screwed because they get divorced when they're older.
So they can't like recover.
I don't, maybe Terrence, I don't know if you've had the same like experience, but like this guy was like 65 when his wife decided to leave.
You can't recover.
Yeah.
Now he's on lifelong alimony.
He's never going to retire.
So it's like, what's that?
She took his hat.
Like you're almost, it's almost a blessing getting divorced at like 35 or 40 because like then you can recover.
But like this guy, what's he going to do?
He's done.
That's right.
Yeah.
I actually wish I brought up that story, but I kind of blank.
The stats.
They go from men to women.
They go from men to women.
Billions of dollars every year.
I thought you said earlier that women are paying alimony.
Billions of dollars of wealth every year is transferred from men to women.
Based on what?
Where are you getting that information from?
You're just making it up.
Okay, we have them.
We're excited.
We can get it to you at the end.
You didn't want to submit.
Where are your sources?
You didn't want to submit them ahead of time.
That's what I was annoyed.
She didn't want to submit her sources before the show.
And so we could have done it where we both agree, like, these are the sources, and then we could both have time to read them.
But it's like, yeah, I wish I didn't say that because then this went into a rabbit.
You did just fine.
You did just fine.
Yeah.
The Census Bureau, Bureau of Labor Statistics.
I cited everything I mentioned.
Pull it up.
There we go.
And she's doing this.
You were just reading off of the page and she couldn't do anything.
And now she's trying to break up your momentum by doing, you know, cite the sources.
And I should have just not gotten nervous and just looked for something else to read while she spurred because that would have pissed her off.
Yeah.
Remember when you're reading from that paper, all those different stacks and stuff?
And she tried to say, oh, that's not he's kept on going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I want people to understand.
Okay.
Pearl's going to trash women no matter what.
That's fine.
I'm not trash, but my biggest gripe with you is you're discouraging people from entering marriages.
There we go.
I don't tell men what to do.
Sell me on.
You advise men to avoid marriage.
Sell me on marriage.
What do men get out of marriage?
There you go.
There you go.
That's sad.
It's sad that people think that.
It really is.
I wish I thought of Nuke what you said about the embarrassing the husband.
It would have been a kill shot if she started to say an equal partner.
And then I said like an equal partner that just embarrassed her husband on this show by calling him a bum.
Yeah, but I did a whole comedy video called Sell Me Marriage.
Yeah.
If you would have said that, she probably would have tried to fight you.
It would have been a fist fight.
So I'm not sure if that would have been.
And I would have won.
I would have won.
She's five.
Look how small she is.
I would have won the fist fight.
That would have been amazing.
Yeah, but there's just lawsuits and stupid shit.
Yeah.
You don't need that.
Yeah.
And insulting a woman who makes her relationship part of her brand, insulting her husband is just like insulting a man's mother, you know, in front of him.
It's like really, really bad.
So yeah, if you would have said that, she would have started crying probably.
You know, who knows?
But up to you.
With great power comes great responsibility I'm going to play the video I need to mute it for one second.
You get a partner, you get a teammate, you get to build a life together, and it's beautiful.
A partner.
I feel like misery loves company in this situation.
I got really pissed at this part because I'm like, I'm right here.
And how would you know what you get out of marriage if you haven't experienced marriage in the first place?
I'm not saying that as a personal attack.
I really that Pearl meets the love of her life and gets married.
It's not about that.
But you trash it without really understanding what the benefits are.
There aren't any benefits.
This is good.
Why do we have phrases like it's cheaper to keep her?
Now we're back.
Answer the question.
Divorce is expensive.
And by the way, on purpose to discourage people from getting divorced in the first place.
Oh, yeah.
Get the fuck out of here.
Get the fuck out of here.
Why do we have phrases like happy wife, happy life?
Because it's true.
Boom.
Oh, same with happy husband, happy life.
I don't want to come to you.
You can't even rhyme husband.
Do you see her real self come out there?
Like Cruella Deville?
Did you guys catch that?
Wait, what happened?
I met her.
Go back.
Go back like 10 seconds.
Go back like 10 seconds.
Okay, we're at.
Go back like 20 seconds.
Okay, 620.
Look at her tone and the evil glint.
You see the Cruella Devil.
You see the Disney female villain right there.
You just felt it.
It was great.
I feel like misery loves company in this situation.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm like, this is where I said, I'm right here.
I'm in the crowd.
And how would you know what you get out of marriage if you haven't experienced marriage in the first place?
I'm not saying that as a personal attack.
I really hope that Pearl meets the love of her life and gets married.
It's not about that.
But you trash it without really understanding what the benefits are.
Why do we have phrases like it's cheaper to keep her pearl?
Hell yeah.
Answer the question: divorce is expensive.
And by the way, on purpose to discourage people from getting divorced in the first place.
Unless you're a woman, why do we have phrases like happy wife, happy life?
Because it's true.
Oh my god, same with happy husband, happy life.
I don't want to keep angry husband.
You guys see how her real self came out?
Her like, yeah, I like she was just like, because it is like, you know, when a villain is just finally real, like, admitting to their plan?
That's exactly what she is.
So evil, the way she and pay attention.
She said, I don't want to come home to an unhappy husband.
Like, she's still made about her.
It wasn't about his happiness.
I just caught that.
Like, it wasn't.
It wasn't like I want to make him happy or like, you know, I don't know.
What if he's unhappy because he's had a bad day at work?
It's not up to you if he's happier or not sometimes.
So the fuck what?
He's going to be unhappy.
What the fuck?
I don't know.
I'm, I'm starting to get, I'm starting to get angry too.
I'm going to take a break.
But that's not a phrase.
Do you have any other like catchphrase or slogan you want to throw at me?
What do men get out of marriage?
They get a partner that gains 25 pounds in the first five years.
Men get pretty bad too.
I don't know if you've done a comparative analysis on that.
They actually end up gaining more weight than their wives do.
And who cares?
Men.
I mean, have a conversation with your partner.
Encourage her.
How can adults, how can men and women be equal?
Especially if she's how can men and women be equal when one is expected to die for the other?
Yep.
I don't expect anyone to die for anyone else.
I don't know what that even comes from.
I don't die for you every day.
The men in the police force, the men in the military, the women in the police force.
Wow.
They're not, they're one, they're 10% and they cause so much drop.
Who cares what percentage women make up?
They suck.
This is like the nagging of up of the police force.
They're in the police force.
My sister-in-law's a cop, actually.
They can't do the same jobs.
There's videos on the internet actually getting their guns taken because they're not strong enough.
Are you just making things up?
No.
Dude, the videos are there.
What are you doing?
Like, seriously.
Okay, this is the humiliation attack right here.
Yeah.
Do you understand?
She did this because she's starting to run out of again.
It's the length of this part of the set.
She has nothing left.
She, right here, everyone thinks you looked bad, but the thing is, look at neither of you have nothing to say.
Neither of you.
Do you realize how good you have in this country?
It's supposed to be open debate.
Is it supposed to be open to this?
It's over.
Should have cut it right here.
15 minutes is good enough.
Best country in the world.
And you get the life to live the life you live at the expense of men.
No, that's not true.
Oh, my God.
That is true.
Show me how.
Oh, here we go.
Do you know how many men die every year?
Just nerves and nerves.
Yeah.
This is men that.
I just, I see, it's like whenever she like talks to me like that, I get like, I don't know.
Die every year to get you crab.
How many women die every year during childbirth?
Not many.
This country has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed country.
So it gets older as a result of pregnancy.
Oh, I didn't think that actually.
Because you're the stupid decision.
It's also because they have kids when they're obese.
It's obesity, too.
Like, women, women have cold.
There's a thing called comorbidities, right?
So if you have high blood pressure and then you're pregnant, good luck, right?
It's we're a fat country.
Those are called obese women.
Old bitches.
You guys know.
Expensive, entitled fat.
Did you guys know that a child's build, you know, like propensity to be larger can be affected if the woman's obese while she's pregnant?
Yeah.
Also, also, also, you have almost twice a you have the likelihood of you dying from a BBL is twice as likely as childbirth, right?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, it's one in one in five thousand one in five thousand for childbirth and one in three thousand for BBL.
And women are not, there's no group of women telling other women not to get BBLs.
So yeah, there you go.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
Yep.
I tweeted, I tweeted all the time.
Whenever, whenever women bring up the birth stuff, I'm like, hey, first of all, you guys are fat.
You have comorbidities.
And number two, you guys don't really care because you guys fly to a third world country and get fat injected into your butt.
And it's twice as almost twice as risky, you know.
And the whole thing about the whole childbirth argument, like women want, all women want credit for childbirth and having kids when fewer and fewer of them are having it.
So you have to frame that.
Like, so are women that have children more important than women that don't?
Because you keep talking about childbirth.
What about we have to figure out a way to make it?
Because I hate that whole all women should get credit.
If that's the case, within all men should get credit for signing up for selective service and being able to get drafted, although we haven't been drafted.
It's the same thing.
Yep.
Women aren't even, we're not having kids.
So I don't know why they keep trying to give us credit for this.
and childbirth, yes.
There we go.
There's too much of a pause here.
This is painful, man.
They should have.
Do you have any other questions for me?
This is way too long.
No.
All right, now.
All right.
Should I move on?
Like, what are we doing now?
Let me, can I ask a couple questions?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's just jump in here.
So why don't we do this?
I'll ask you one and then I'll ask you one and we'll kind of go back and forth.
That actually wasn't as long as I thought it was.
Is there another?
Or is that the only one?
Felt like forever.
Yeah, it's just too long.
This section was too long because she didn't have anything else.
I know everyone said that you had the pause, but she had the pause.
Like you guys both stared at each other for like 10 seconds.
She didn't like, and you know, women don't stop talking just because they're going to keep going, blah, blah, blah.
Right.
So, yeah.
But yeah, you're right.
You're right.
It's a new, it's a new platform.
It's a new thing.
So they don't know.
They don't know that 30 minutes was too long.
So again, learning curve.
Yeah, I mean, new business.
Yeah.
I kind of half jokingly said at the beginning, like Pearl had mentioned, I think you actually said it here too, that you believe you may be more of a feminist.
Do you consider yourself to be a feminist and how would you define that?
I don't consider myself to be a feminist mainly because it's a loaded word and there are certain outcomes.
Wow.
You can hear me laughing in the background.
Comes from certain waves of feminism that I don't agree with, particularly minimizing the importance of men in society.
I do think that there is, you know, especially the third wave of feminism.
Then why don't you give them their kids?
That's right.
You should have hopped on this whole moderate anna crap.
You should have been like, you've been left this freaking femtard this entire time.
And now you want to come over, get out of here.
No.
You can join the party now.
You just don't.
Or you could have just said, I'm not buying it.
Yeah.
This was an academic setting.
She would have been dinged every time she made an ad hominem attack.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's an entertainment debate.
You know, it isn't like an academic debate.
So these guys got to pay rent.
They got to, they got to make it fun and exciting.
So they got to let this stuff fly, right?
It's professional wrestling.
Yeah, you're right.
You're absolutely correct.
Yeah.
That's done with it.
That's what Terrence Pop said.
That was you.
You said that these people got to pay bills.
So that makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who cares?
You know, it's funny.
I asked my dad if he wanted to go to this and he's like, I'd rather do anything else.
He was like, the most intelligent men that I know, like, they just kind of view this stuff as a waste of time because they're like, what's the point?
Like, that's the thing.
Like, a lot of these libtards, they think they're so important when the like the most intelligent people in society just tune them out because they just know they're full of shit.
Yeah, I'll be right back.
That's why I said, Pearl, for the why the second part was so effective is because you're asking people whose job is it to talk, to tell them, hey, what are you doing?
You want all the credit for doing things, but tell me what you've done.
Right.
Yeah.
And realize that in debates, people do that a lot.
Like Trump used that against Hillary, right?
He said, Hillary, you've been sitting here for decades.
What have you accomplished?
Right.
You know, and a lot of people are like, yeah, what has she accomplished?
And that's really effective because she's telling you that you're wrong.
I'm like, okay, if you're a feminist and you have all this backing and all that stuff, what have you done?
What's the plan here?
And, you know, there's nothing.
It's just, we just talk about the issue.
I'm like, great.
Thanks.
Dad, do you want to go watch two women argue?
Hell no.
Yeah, it was just funny.
He was just like, no.
Well, that's the point.
Someone said they find it entertaining.
It's like, yeah, it's entertainment, but like, that's what it is.
You know, neither me or Anna are going to change these policies.
Like, you can't.
So maybe someone else could, but we don't have the power.
Not as women.
God, no.
Personally, really value masculine men, and I don't appreciate feminists speaking on behalf of all women in regard to what women prefer.
I think the Me Too movement started off as a legitimate grievance with women who were legitimately abused and it devolved into something laughable and ridiculous, especially when, you know, someone like Aziz and Sari gets accused of being like some sort of sexual predator when he clearly wasn't.
So she did that.
You know why she did?
I don't like how loaded that word is.
That was sneaky because there's comedians in the crowd.
She's appealing to the comedians.
There's comedians in the crowd and in the crew.
So she's appealing to them.
This is a very, this is a high-level debate tactic, right?
But I don't know if anyone else caught on like, I know what you're doing.
I know what you're doing.
You're appealing to the audience and the people that are here, you know, but whatever.
What I actually genuinely want is equality among the sexes.
I'm not looking for women to have an upper hand over men.
Yes, you are.
Yeah, like literally, she was arguing for, what about the kids?
And somebody's got to pay for daycare.
I mean, there you go, right there.
Wow.
And at all.
But we need to be based in reality and we need to look at the statistics and figure out what's really going on.
If men are getting a raw deal as a result of who knows more, someone that looks her statistics or someone who works in the field.
And that's what that's like from their ivory towers.
They want to say because they can read a study they know more.
But it's like, I have Terrence Poppy's right here.
Let's fix the suicide crit.
Let's see what he has to say.
You know, it's like, sorry, Terrence, what were you going to say?
Nothing.
I'm good.
Okay.
Then, yeah, the laws need to change.
And I genuinely thought prior to this debate that they were getting the raw end of the deal.
But as I researched this, I realized I was believing in outdated myths.
So this aggravated me to no end right here.
When she said that, I was like, you fucking Kant.
You are like the mouthpiece for the cult of the Kant.
Ah, I'm so mad.
Do you believe from, and obviously you are citing a lot of anecdotal stories.
I do think it's fair to point out every anecdotal story is someone's story, right?
So they're not fake stories and they're not meaningless, obviously, to the people who live those realities.
In a lot of cases, they're very painful.
Because of your platform, you speak to a lot of those people.
How much is that informing where you're coming from in this debate?
Is the real stories of people who have been hurt by this stuff?
I mean, I've interviewed a thousand people.
I interviewed a guy who had his kid transition and there was nothing he could do about it.
I interviewed another guy and he spent $300,000 trying to get his kid back.
He actually went overseas to Ukraine during the war, just trying to be in his kid's life.
So, yeah, it impacts it a lot.
I've interviewed so many men that want nothing more than to just be a dad and see their kid.
They don't even care about the money.
They just want to see their children.
And if you ask Anna, it doesn't exist.
But if you ask any man, like everybody knows somebody that it's happened to.
And commentators can, you know, they can try to minimize it.
They can talk from their ivory towers and pretend it's not happening.
But there's a genocide of millions of men that's going on in this country.
You use a genocide?
1.6 million men commit suicide, has committed suicide since 1970.
Similar rates of women.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yeah.
She brings it right back to the women.
Oh, God.
Suicide, but fail because they usually don't resort to the crowd.
I'm like, they're fucking weak.
I said the same thing.
Why is it that every time we bring up men, you have to bring up women?
Because we're doing a comparative analysis here.
You can't just throw out statistics without comparing it to the ratings among women.
What I'm pointing out is, I just pointed out that by 2050, more men will have committed suicide than all of the world wars combined.
And your first response was, well, women commit suicide too.
Because it is a problem that is inflicting both sexes in this country.
It is a tragedy and should be taken seriously rather than this weird sex war.
But it's not going to be taken seriously when you pretend it's not going on.
It is going on.
Are you kidding me?
I love it.
I mean, how many bad in the first half?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, maybe it wasn't as bad as I thought.
Maybe it wasn't.
Yeah.
I thought.
Come back to.
I think it's just my tone because it's like very inexperience.
That's all it is.
Yeah.
You're fine.
I'll get better.
And I'm going to get you round two.
And I'm going to come back angry.
The United States after multiple deployments do not get treatment or help with PTSD and other mental issues as a result of being deployed multiple times.
Like that's a real problem.
How come you don't talk about that?
Yeah, but you commit on marriage.
They're not going to come divorce instead because those soldiers come home to an empty house.
Totally.
Yes, they do.
It's called the Tumbleweed Treatment.
For most of suicide.
Men are nine times more likely to commit suicide.
How many more times likely are women to commit suicide after this was the part where I was like, what about the women?
You don't know the number, right?
Because you did not care to look into it.
No.
What about the women, though?
No, that's always what you go to.
And that's kind of what I'm trying to point out: feminists don't care about male issues.
They don't.
They do not care about equality.
Because whenever you ask them for real equality, Pearl, my point is that suicide or women.
It is a.
Yeah.
Yeah, I should have.
Oh, I should have.
Oh, I should have.
Yeah, because like, like, like, like, once you said that, anytime feminism or what about women was brought up, you said, you could have said, yeah, because all you care about is women, because feminism.
It just kept hammering.
Oh, that would have been a good.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Huge.
Women who try to end their own lives are less successful because, again, they're less likely to use a gun, for instance, or hang themselves.
They'll take pills.
It'll fail.
They're weak.
See, I keep looking down and be like, can I find it?
And I'm like, it's messed up, right?
But sometimes they do it just for attention.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not, it's not, they do it because they want someone to notice.
Men do it because, yeah, I'm done here.
There's nothing else.
I'm done.
There's a story I'm thinking.
I know, I know somebody that kept threatening to commit suicide.
And then her dad was like, then do it.
And then she was like, like, because he knew she wasn't going to.
And then, and then she like, um, then she stopped like crying.
You know what I mean?
Like she stopped like milking it for attention, but like everyone knew she wasn't going to do it.
Yeah.
A tragic thing all around.
But if you actually care about suicide rates, then you would want to know what's causing the suicide rates or the attempts at suicide.
Divorce.
What can we do as a society to help people to prevent that from happening?
And you wouldn't make it specifically and solely an issue that inflicts one sex over the other.
I mean, you're just proving my point, because we talk about male issues.
Keep bringing it back to the women.
That's good.
That was, that was pretty good yeah, because do you know what i'm like?
You just said a lot snagging.
You're spewing right now with something to compare it to.
Okay, do you think that women should be on the front lines of the military, like the men, if they can pass the physical tests necessary to do so?
Yeah, do you think women should be in selective service, like the men?
Yes yeah okay, and they should be on the front lines as infantrymen if they are physically capable.
See, and this is when you got a hammer I said yes or a no.
I need a yes or a no.
Stop talking.
I don't want to hear anything out of your mouth except for a yes or a no.
Capable of doing it?
Yes okay, so no, so you could have taken this multiple ways.
So it all stems on, men are stronger than women, and that's really the whole issue here about feminism.
They don't make it.
And she's going to make a comment about fat, fat men.
Are they on the front lines?
Yes, we will send fat boys to the front.
They will lower the standards, especially if they need dudes that they will lower those standards.
You could be a 500 pound orbiting fat boy and they will still send your ass out there if they need you.
There's a waiver.
That's right that there aren't.
You know 55, 60 year old fat guys on the front line fighting fighting uh, in the Ukraine right now.
Come on.
Average age is 48 now yeah, and if and if she said uh no, you could have said well, why?
Well, because men are more capable.
I'm like okay, so they're not.
So men and women are not equal.
There you go.
That would have stopped it right there, but you know that you could have taken it both ways.
But yeah, whatever you want to put, but people who aren't physically I mean obese men wouldn't be put on the front lines.
Yeah, they would.
Yes, they are.
Do you think women should be jailed for false accusations?
Depends on what the false accusations are, if she's falsely accusing someone of rape, for instance.
Yes okay, thank you I, I agree.
Do you think that women?
Do you think that child custody should be 50 50 as long as the court determines that?
There you go.
Both parents are capable of being caretakers.
Yes, in fact, that's the ideal situation.
Okay she's, she's.
She dodged that right there, all right.
Do you believe in alimony?
I believe in alimony in specific cases where the woman decided to forego having a career and working, decided to stay home and raise the kids.
In those cases, preferential treatment.
Right there, she could have said, obviously, that's preferential treatment.
You don't want equality?
Oh, I should have said that okay, deserves alimony.
Yes, but that's a privilege.
You're ridiculous anyway, that's it next, move on.
You said it's, you said it's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous especially, especially coming from a girl who grew up in an affluent situation with incredibly wealthy parents.
You don't know anything about struggling economically or financially.
So to tell a single mother who decided to stay home and raise her children instead of work that, stop it right there, when she was going on this tirade, as soon as she was done, you said, well, if you're about true equality, guess what.
You chose to stay home and now you got to get a goddamn job just like a man, when And also, also, we gotta get away.
Look, the fact that you're that your dad put himself in a position to be able to put his kids in the best position possible should not be used against you in any kind of you have to figure out my father.
I don't know.
I know.
All of us, everybody should be the son of a fireman.
Like, my dad wasn't, we're not from like a multi-generationally wealthy family.
My dad's just brilliant.
But she's trying to discredit you because your father had money.
Yeah.
That's exactly what she's doing.
My dad, my dad, like, you can't, you can't make me feel bad about my father.
Yeah, my dad's one of 13, son of a fireman.
His sister's an alcoholic.
Like, some of his siblings did not get like get very like they're not very successful.
So it's like, it's like, um, my dad really is an asshole.
You should have said, it's not my fault that my dad's smart and your dad's dumb.
Yeah, honestly, if someone could have said, oh my God, your family's influenced.
Look, my parents are smart.
They put their kids in a good position.
Your parents are dumb because they didn't do the same thing.
Well, you could have also said, like, well, you, you financially took care of your husband.
Does that make him privileged?
You know?
So you put him, you put him on, you took him away from his couch, you know, like what?
You know what?
Hindsight 2020.
Let's just leave it.
There you go.
To raise her kids after a divorce is the most privileged piece of shit to say.
This is next.
This is the type of nagging that drives men to suicide.
So next.
Jesus Christ.
I get it.
I get it.
Oh, no.
Yeah, so a little harder to debate someone who's not an OnlyFans girl, right?
There's another cheap shot.
We could have said, our only fans girl is dumb.
I thought you supported women.
Yeah.
I should have said, not yet.
And you can hear it.
That's what I mean.
I'm like, nothing moderate, nothing.
Never.
I don't need to.
Not that I'm judging.
Yeah.
That kind of contradicted.
It's okay.
Why isn't paternity fraud illegal?
It's estimated 6% of men are fathering children that are not theirs.
One third of them.
You got to leave your stats.
Like the American Blood Bank Association.
Are you happy?
Okay.
One third of that one I knew.
Yes, there should be concepts.
But that's the thing.
She doesn't even know what that is.
Like, how did that help her?
Now you have the name of the study.
Like, okay.
But there aren't.
Okay.
But there are where you're going.
So we agree on that.
Next.
Right.
You can agree, but you haven't covered it.
And it's, and that's my point: is you guys don't care about equality.
You want freedom at the expense of men.
Okay, sure.
There you go.
Do you think that men should have the right to opt out of fatherhood since women have the right to opt out?
Here it comes.
No.
We should have done more of this.
We should have done more of this.
Put a condom on.
See, there it is.
You don't want to have children.
Put a condom on.
Or require him to wear a condom.
That's equal.
Yeah.
That choice is equally irresponsible.
The one with the Johnson, he gets to decide what he does with it.
I don't despite the fact you have 12 forms of birth control and you can abort the child.
It's socially acceptable for women to emasculate men, but men are not allowed to shame women.
How is that equal?
That's a good one.
Feminists than you.
Sure.
Great.
Congratulations.
This is the longest 30 minutes of my life.
There we go.
Okay, I'm going to interject again, if I can.
All right, all right.
All right.
So one thing that I do think is happening is that there is a shift that is taking place in America.
And I think you both have alluded to this a little bit.
And so I'll ask Anna first if you would agree with this.
Because you said that going into this debate, you thought a lot of these things were true.
Right.
And you started to see that maybe these things were not as true as you had believed.
Do you believe that your previous belief was informed by nonsense or the fact that states and legislatures and courts are changing what they're doing over the last few years in terms of alimony and parental time and that kind of thing?
I think that with more women participating in the workforce, it's hard to argue that, you know, women should get paid alimony when they have their own income.
So yeah, I think that the culture has changed, the workforce has changed.
And as a result of that, the courts weigh whether or not something like alimony makes sense.
And look, much like Pearl, I had heard the horror stories and I was basing much of my worldview on situations like this based on anecdotes, basically.
And so when you look at the statistics and the broader picture, you have a clearer idea of what's actually happening in the aftermath of a divorce.
Would you be willing to concede at least that maybe some of the reasons some of these things are shifting is because of people like Pearl and others who are drawing attention to these stories?
Because I think we could all agree that until recently, a lot of those stories were just stories you hear from other people and it was not allowed in media at all.
It was not discussed.
Would you at least concede that?
I'm sure that there are advocates who have fought to maybe change the way these court cases play out.
Sure.
I don't know about Pearl, though.
I understand.
We're in the debates.
You can't give too much credit.
Pearl, in your experience, the men that you talk to, do you see a difference in terms of the age of those men, where maybe it's getting better for some?
Because I would take it that some of the guys who are a little older and have been through this in the past, the courts are starting to recognize and realize that maybe it's not very fair.
No.
I would have said, why do you believe?
I would have said it's going to get worse before it gets better.
As long as women are selfish and are choosing themselves over society and their children, it's going to get worse.
They all come from the same thing: single mother homes or dominant women homes.
And they all get taught from when they're five that mommy is always right.
So there's always, they're always going to, they all got to go through the meat grinder.
We try to, we save as many as we can, but it's a meat grinder.
And the sad part about it is women are making a meat grinder for themselves.
They didn't have all this hardship.
Once again, women are fighting for their lives to be hard.
You think the courts are completely.
I mean, there's men that write into my show every day just talking about how much they want to be fathers.
So I hope it changes, but right now I would say no.
Do you think it's fair that all of the young women who were preyed upon Jeffrey Epstein are now experiencing yet another administration engaging in a cover-up?
Okay, so very political.
You could have easily said, well, I'm talking about divorce.
You're talking about criminal court.
They're two different animals.
Yeah.
I'm glad that you didn't answer this question because that's literally there is no good way to answer this question.
I'm glad you didn't answer it.
Well, and I just don't know.
I don't know anything about like, obviously, I've seen what's on the news, but I don't know what she's talking about.
Like, I didn't follow that.
She's taking you to her arena.
She knows she's outclassed in this.
She's taking you to her arena, which is politics.
What you could have said, too, is also like, every one of those girls had a permission slip from their mother.
No way.
Wow.
Every one of those girls.
Yeah.
Every one of those girls had parental permission and their mother signed the permissions.
It's a metaphorical permission slip, right?
But all of those girls were there because of their mother was okay with it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just glad that you didn't touch this question.
I'm just glad.
Well, I couldn't touch it even if I wanted to because I didn't have a political thing.
She sounded like a politician.
It's a fucking scumbag thing to do.
What is this?
What does that question have to do with anything?
Or was it the female's fault for being preyed upon by a disgusting pedophile?
I'm just curious.
What kind of question is that?
I think it's a pretty straightforward one.
That has nothing to do with the topic.
There you go.
No, it does, though, because you're talking about the unfairness of our court system, especially as it pertains to divorces.
But we're talking about a guy who got a sweetheart deal.
Like, she's like a sweetheart.
I don't even know what a sweetheart deal is.
So I'm like, I don't know.
Yeah, you can react to this.
It's on World War Debate.
Sorry, go ahead.
Someone was going to say something.
No, once again, I'm just glad that you.
She even said on the topic of divorce, whatever.
But yeah, but what is this?
What does that have to do with divorce, paternity court, modern-day feminism?
What's that have to do with anything?
I know.
You handled that pretty good.
Yeah, that was solved that issue.
She just wants to frame it that I'm a pedophile in some way or that you raping that whole thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry, go ahead.
For girls.
And then even after that, multiple administrations, Democrat, Republican, doesn't matter, engaged in a cover-up, ensuring that those victims would never get justice.
And this has to do with this.
I mean, you want to talk about the unfairness in the court system and how terrible it is for men.
What about how terrible it is for women?
There we go.
Bringing it back to women.
Bringing it back to women.
It has nothing to do with anything.
I think, in fairness, you got to admit that's an anecdote, too, in comparison to the overall statistics.
It's a pretty anecdote.
Like, dope.
That guy was on your side.
I know he was.
This is the problem.
Whenever you have an unreasonable woman, everybody just caters to her because she's unreasonable.
Like, because they know she'll freak out more.
She's a Nagasa.
Yeah.
And so they go through life.
They just go through life being catered to because like, for example, like I just like the, like they're not going to put.
They don't want her to cancel or like back out because they know that's something she would do.
So they're going to be more catering to her.
So she'll come back because she's more of a bitch, right?
I mean, that's just like life.
Yep.
Also, an untouchable anecdote, right?
I don't think it's untouchable.
I think it's super touchable.
So let's go back to actually hold on.
We got 10 seconds.
So we won't hold on.
All right.
Here's what we're going to do.
We're actually going to take a break.
We're going to come off of the scene.
All right.
We ended the first half.
Nice job describing yourself.
Yeah, guys.
We're going to get our email system a little bit better so there's better communication with everybody.
If you go to the website and sign up, you'll be added to our evil list, but we're working on it.
It's coming.
You know, I'm not going to say what happened once you stepped off the stage, but guys, like, you guys did a real good job of like recentering activists.
Like, what, first off, the security guard tried to block people from getting in.
That was funny.
But once you're doing this job, he's just doing his job.
No.
You guys did a really good job.
I'm not going to say what happened, but that was a great job, guys.
Like, really, really, really good job.
Yeah.
Yeah, I just, I just told you you did fine.
Like, again, you know, see how we're watching it again?
We, we're like, you learned something, which is the most important.
And then number two, it's just, it seemed bad in the moment, but if you look back, we see, we're seeing all of the cheap tricks in the, in the, you know, the sucker punches, the thing, you know, and it even ended with her using an anecdote and her mentioning Jeffrey Epstein.
Like, what kind of, you know what I'm saying?
She's talking about your anecdote at the beginning.
Oh, she ends with the anecdote.
Are you serious?
But the thing is, I was super locked in and I was paying attention to everything.
And I was just realizing, like, hey, these people got to pay bills.
This is why this is being, this is, this is going on, right?
They have to let a little bit of the, you know, cheap tricks happen because the circus, the show must go on.
You know, it's a circus.
Yeah.
And I mean, it's like the first one.
So, you know, they got to, they have to figure out like a flow and stuff.
They'll get it.
They'll figure it out.
Yeah.
I think this is going to be a big show.
I think so too.
Yeah.
I think this has potential.
Okay.
Let's see.
Since it's only 50, I think I could do the second half.
If you guys have to drop, though, feel free.
I know it's getting late.
No, I'm good.
Yeah, I do because I gotta stay for a little bit more.
Okay.
All right, you guys, I'm dropping off.
See ya.
See you down.
All right, let's see the rest of this.
And then we're going to get into the final statements.
Yeah, I stopped giving a fuck when I came back.
We'll pick up our open debate.
Pearl, I'll let you begin.
What's your plan when men stop doing the dirty and dangerous jobs that keep society running?
You can hold your mic.
Sorry, I'll say it again.
Can you give me an example of which jobs you're referring to?
Logging, plumbing, crab fishing, oil rig.
Yeah, those are dominated by men.
They have the physical capacity to do it.
Men and women are built differently.
What's going on when they stop?
I mean, we're going to have a problem.
Are you suggesting that women should be forced to work on oil?
It's called equality.
What is your plan?
That's what men get out of doing those things.
I don't have a plan, Pearl, for a semination in which men no longer do those jobs.
I'm telling you how effective that question is.
It's so effective because you have just made her admit something.
She feels.
I don't have a plan.
Exactly.
You don't.
And you should have said, like, are you going to force them to do it?
Like, if you want to, like, you know, live and you know, in society, somebody's going to have to do those jobs.
And if men walk away, you're going to have to do them.
And if they have to force you, so be it.
Men get drafted.
It's all about equality.
What's your plan when men start walking away from marriage?
What's your plan?
So, do men or women get a raw deal from marriage?
Because you just said men walking away from marriage.
So is he called?
How long you stayed on it?
What is your plan when men walk away from marriage?
Is he responsible for walking away from the marriage topic?
What is or is he just never guilty?
My point is, you shit on men.
I don't shit on men.
I love men.
The very yet the very microphone you're using was built by men.
The building was built by men.
And there's no gratitude or appreciation.
You just tell them they're not doing enough.
Got me.
You got me.
Yep.
So, what's your plan when men start walking away from society?
I should have said because of women like you nagging them.
What do you mean by walking away from society?
When men stop doing the dangerous jobs, when men stop getting married, when men stop having kids, to be quite honest with you, if American men decide they no longer want to do those jobs, very likely our government will import men from countries where they're willing to do those jobs.
That's that's probably how what's your plan when they date American women and then decide to stop too?
I'm not worried about that.
I was like, but my boyfriend's from the DR. I see what happens when his friends come here.
They're traumatized.
Yeah.
They hear women burp on first dates.
They tell me about it.
When I was on a date with her, and I'm just like, I'm sorry, man.
Of course, you're not.
No.
I never had the future is not going to be great for feminists.
You guys are going to get the equality that you're asking for.
Yes.
Men are not going to protect women in the streets.
Men are going to stop signing up for the infrastructure jobs.
The birth rate's going to keep falling, and the future is going to be bleak.
Okay.
Yep.
Listen.
Tired, man.
I think men and women serve important roles in society.
I think that you have a shallow understanding of what I believe, number one, but more importantly, what the dynamic is between men and women in modern society.
You're under this weird impression that the anecdotal evidence that you cite is indicative of the outcome of all marriages.
In reality, study after study shows that married couples tend to be happier than single individuals, right?
They're happy before the divorce.
Divorce is terrible.
Divorce means that the marriage didn't work out.
Obviously, they're not going to be happy in the middle of a divorce.
Correlation doesn't mean causation.
People have married happy people and date happy people in general.
You're attributing it to marriage, but you're not, you're not going to marry someone that's like a bit okay.
You're right, Pearl.
You know, what's really interesting is if you look at marriage rates, which have dropped in the United States, not just in the United States, actually globally, you'll notice that the people who are less likely to get married happen to be those who are from a lower socioeconomic status.
Right.
Marriage is disappearing from the middle class.
That's true.
From poor individuals, yes.
Would you wonder why?
Because women marry rich.
People forego marriage due to their own personal financial situation.
So women marry for money a lot.
Okay.
So I'm going back to this.
Let me ask you something, Pearl.
Men.
Would you be willing to marry a guy who's poor?
Men.
Because I married a guy who was in debt and love the hell out of him.
Best thing in my life.
Would you marry a guy who is broke?
That's very nice.
No career and in debt.
That's very nice, Santa.
Would you?
So I'm going back to that.
Answer the question: Would you marry a broke guy in debt?
All right.
So we're going back to the nagging.
This is nagging again.
Okay.
So I'm pushing you to answer a question because you are judging women, making a blanket statement.
I love dealing.
Oh, my God.
I have heard so many men say that in my life when the women are like, oh, they can just look at you and go, oh, my God.
It's fucking hilarious.
I couldn't keep a straight face.
I couldn't.
I know you here's, I knew you had her here.
I knew that it was over.
As soon as you said, what's your plan?
And she had like that six-second pause.
She was off.
She was off-center.
She was, I'm like, you got her.
Why did they make me answer this question?
Because this is a personal question.
And the moderator was like, I didn't understand why he made me answer this.
They were just curious.
They were just curious because everyone wants to know who Pearl is dating and blah, blah, blah.
It's just the curiosity thing.
Yeah, but it's none of their business.
Like, I know, but I mean, word, word, debate.
Got to pay bills.
Got to make it controversial.
It's fine.
I just, I was like thinking, I'm like, why that question out of all of them?
Would be willing to marry me.
Wouldn't be willing to marry.
But you're not answering the question yourself.
Would you be willing to marry a broke?
Does your husband have to listen?
Does he love to listen?
Oh, he loves it.
Of course he does.
Well, that's the thing.
It's like when you bring in, like, if you're debating and you bring in your boyfriend or husband, like, who are they going to attack next?
You know what I mean?
Like, why, like, why would she put her husband in a political debate if she loves him?
She doesn't respect him.
Because, you know, that's like even when, even when she was talking about my family, it's like, I don't want to do a tirade about them because it brings more attention to them.
You know, I don't need these crazy people, you know.
All right.
So, can I go back to the question?
Why do you not want to answer that?
Yeah, why not?
Just say, no, I don't want to break it.
Love is, love is love.
Now, back to the question.
Men, 88% of the food.
I should have said if he's hot enough.
That's more honest.
The power grid, 93% men.
Transportation, 95% men.
Men are in the middle of the marriage.
Communications, 90% men.
Material production, 78% men.
Software, 80% men.
Auto workers, 98% men.
Carpenters, 98% men.
Electricians, 98% men.
If you removed the top male-dominated jobs from the economy, you would have no running cars, no housing, no electricity, no open machinery, no materials or fabrics, and no computers.
There would be no buildings and no Amazon delivery.
I've never said that men are not a very important factor of American society.
You want men enslaved to women for nothing in return.
No, you're just making it.
That's what you want.
That's what you want.
You want men on the hook.
Okay, Pearl, what have I said that gives you that impression?
What if I said that gives you that impression?
You want men on the hook for child support.
You want men on the hook for alimony.
You want men to not take responsibility.
You've been on the air for 20 years and you have not advocated for men that are victims of paternity fraud.
You want men to do all of the work, get no credit for nothing.
I do not know.
Men aren't going to do it anymore.
They're going to walk away, Anna.
They're not going to do it anymore.
100%.
And feminists, as you said, have no plan for when that happens.
And I want to.
What do you want their plan to be?
You think it's a feminist responsibility plan for this made-up society where all men decide they no longer want to work?
You know what's funny?
She actually advocated for left-wing policies last 20 years.
And then she got assaulted by a homeless person.
What does that have to do with the topic?
Because it was the result of what you voted for, Anna.
Oh!
First of all, and so I just want to know why.
Because you get homeless people to go around sexually assaulting people.
Because Anna, I got sexually assaulted by that.
Do you know what that is crazy?
Was that something that he did, or was that my fault too?
So the other crazy thing is that Anna complains that women's opinions aren't taken seriously while a whole event was catered around her opinion.
The other thing that's crazy, what are you talking about?
Is Anna complains about women being oppressed and yet she had less experience than her co-host at the Young Turks?
Hold on.
Hold on.
What were my complaints about women being oppressed?
Can you definitely say this in a video?
You went low.
I forgot how low you went.
You went low.
What did I say?
You're like, all right, you go low, you go to hell.
I was so done.
I was just two hours of this bullshit.
I was so done.
I'm like, you stupid, you stupid bitch.
Go ahead and quote me because you make shit up.
Yeah.
And you just think like it's going to be a nag.
You've never had a strong woman.
Make it a challenge.
So go ahead and tell me that.
Excuse me.
Give me the quote.
The nagging.
You said women's opinions are not taken seriously.
When did I say that?
In a YouTube video.
There's two women on this stage right now for the headline event.
Oh, my God.
Are we going to end?
When have I said women's opinions don't get taken seriously?
It's kind of like a roundabout.
This is, like, eternal nagging.
Oh, my God.
The 80% of women who work no longer want to do it.
What's your problem?
Yeah, what's your plan?
Let's give the jobs to the men.
They'll do it better.
Oh, there you go.
Perfect.
Because we see what's happening in the media.
You know, women fly planes, they crash them.
Women almost burned down California.
You know, people are dying because they want to make women feel better.
People literally, I'm.
What I'm curious about is whether I'm so mad I couldn't remember the name of the plane crash on the East Coast.
I was so remember I said the plane on the East Coast?
Like, no, we're not.
It's a helicopter and plane crash.
Yeah, I wish I said it more specifically.
Not the Pick Me Act ever resorted into anything positive for you.
Are you done?
I'm not.
All right.
So I'm not either.
Okay, keep going.
Now, the other thing is women fly planes.
They crash them.
Women aren't CEOs.
What are the stats on that?
Most female.
What are the stats on that?
There we go.
She's trying to break.
She's trying to break your stats that say water is wet.
Yeah, I want empirical evidence to back up your arguments.
Because you want to be in control of telling people what to think and how to feel.
No, I want to be in reality.
I want to live in a fact-based reality that requires empirical evidence, not your assertions.
We all saw that plane crash on the East Coast.
No one's making that up, Anna.
You do better when you're reading off your paper, so I'll give you some time to do that.
Again, she's trying to shut you down because you're effectively outmaneuvering here.
In the future, because I'm sure you'll find yourself in more of these debates.
I actually think that you could be an incredible debater, but you need to look at the broader picture, not just rely on anecdotes.
Don't make things up out of full cloth.
Okay.
Feminism-empowered women.
I'll take the tip.
Thank you.
Feminism-empowered women to sign up for previously male-dominated careers that they quit.
48 to 73% of female lawyers, depending on the type of firm, quit either as junior associates or at mid-career.
One quarter of them cite workload, burnout, mental health.
73% of women who got engineering degrees in the past 50 years either have never entered the field professionally or quit early mid-career.
55% of all female accountants quit before or at their mid-level career.
The attrition rate for women in STEM is approximately 50%.
These companies often bend over backwards to get women hired to the point of discrimination against male qualified candidates.
Then women quit because they don't want to work the long hours or deal with the levels of stress for an extended period of time, with women being 2.5 more likely to take antidepressants than men.
The money and prestige isn't worth it to them.
They prefer lower pay, lower workload, and higher job security.
Feminism is empowered.
I actually am better when I read off the paper.
I know you were just crushing her.
Yeah, she was like, you should read off the paper.
I'm like, I will.
I actually will.
I'm going to go to college and take out loans they can't afford for career paths that will not generate them income to pay off those loans.
Men have higher data than women.
Right, because women put their biggest expenses on their husband's credit card.
Ooh, that was good.
You didn't expect me to know that.
I hired, I hired, guys.
This is how dedicated I am to the stats.
I hired a guy with a photographic memory who's written like 10 different books, and I hire him to double check my stats to make sure they're good.
Like, and so that's what he told me about that.
And I'm like, that would make sense.
So.
According to Experian, and they look and women are 85% of consumer spending.
We lead when it comes to luxury brands.
Men have more mortgage debt, car loan debt, personal credit card debt.
Right, because Expected to provide women make 80% of consumer buying decisions again.
If feminists really cared about equality, they would provide for the men, they would what I said, fellas.
I don't think that was that strong.
I should have just kept going.
Sorry, if feminists cared about equality, yeah, they would provide for the men, but yet that is a small minority of women.
Wait, so let me get this.
Honestly, you got her.
Women should bend over backwards and do everything they can for men.
She's a nagging wife, now you turn into a nagging woman.
I'm an egalitarianist.
Hold on.
My argument is that men and women are both tremendously important to a functioning society.
They should both be treated with respect.
They both serve different jobs, different roles.
And in order for society to work, we have to respect that.
Women are abused.
Women are not.
You put the onus and responsibility of everything onto women while providing cover for the bad behavior of men.
Women are not equally important because they don't do the equal work.
Men are equally important.
There you go.
I never said that they were.
Women are not equally important because they don't do the equal amount of work.
Men have invented the majority of the inventions.
Men have started Fortune 500 companies.
Men do the majority of the infrastructure job.
Men produce 90% of the scrubbing, the toilet of the food supply, 90% of the world stuff.
Who's changing the diapers?
Not women.
Not women not having kids.
After women aren't having kids.
All women are doing it.
Daycare workers now, to be honest.
It's not the moms.
Not everyone grew up in an affluent household like you.
They need a dual-income household in order to make ends meet in this economy.
Anna, you talked about a lot of people.
Anna, you talk for a living.
It's kind of rich for you to come at me.
That's awesome.
I think that was my favorite part.
I'm like, bitch.
Bitch, what do you do for a living?
There you go, right there.
I also talk, but I can acknowledge it's not that hard of a job.
Well, you pretend it's more important than it is.
There you go.
That was the final blow.
You talk for a living.
Pearl, you need to sound clip that when she said that and put it up on or cut that into a clip and put it on YouTube and put it on Twitter.
I think I did, but it didn't go that viral.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, sadly.
I thought it was funny too.
There were only about 30 seconds left.
We'll just call it there.
All right.
Good job.
I actually don't think I got cooked as bad as I thought.
No, you the only thing is you didn't have the stats and she messed up your flow by asking for them.
And I was a little bit nervous, and you could tell in my tone, but yeah, that's okay.
Again, that'll pass.
You'll get good at it.
The dane is around.
I cooked her in the closing though.
And if I know one thing, I know I cooked that closing.
All right.
We have five-minute closing statements where you will not attack each other or call each other down.
Okay, now you're now saying that at the last.
Okay.
Well, they got all this, they got their entertainment value.
It's done.
They got what they came for.
Yeah.
And a universal.
I'm just going to go ahead and read what I couldn't get to in my opening statement if you don't mind.
Taking advice from someone like Pearl will ensure that you will be lonely and incredibly sad.
If you have this dark view of an entire.
It's so funny because how like, how have you done this for 20 years?
And that's your closing statement.
Like your argument is, if you take advice from me, you'll be sad, like what I know.
Like, if anything, you're proving my point that women are retired because that was just the dumbest.
Okay, i'm just sex.
Nearly 50 of the country.
I can't imagine living day to day, being a happy person.
I don't know what Pearl actually believes.
Part of me feels like this is a shtick.
But I'm going to take what you say at face value and just think you genuinely believe it.
And if you do genuinely believe it, I actually feel really bad for you.
If you think in general fit in this weird description where they're looking to take advantage of people, where they're looking to rip people off, where they're looking to get married only to divorce and steal a man's money, you live in an alternate universe.
Sometimes divorces are ugly.
Sometimes there are bad women who make things up, who lie about rape, and there should be consequences for that.
But there are.
The difference between you and me is that I think the bad behavior of women deserves consequences, just like the bad behavior of men deserves consequences.
That's not what you're advocating for is a society in which men get away with everything and women get blamed for everything.
That's it.
I mean, what else am I going to say?
That was her clothes.
That was weak.
It was all emotional.
I can go.
Feminists are mainly white, middle-class female liberals who have no idea how the real world works and yet want to advise you on how to live in it.
Let me go through your complaints.
Feminists want control over their bodies.
You win.
You have 12 types of birth control and you can actually Uber eats a plan B. You have abortion on demand and it states that it's not, it's simply a weekend trip.
You have aborted an eighth of the world population.
Damn.
Feminists wanted to fight against rape culture.
You win.
If a woman is raped, assaulted, or if she revokes consent after the fact, she has the power to get a man fired from his job, kicked out of school, or thrown in jail.
You won, feminists.
Women want to be free of traditional gender roles.
Fine.
Men invented the dishwasher, the Roomba, the air fryer, fast food, and Uber Eats.
There are meal prep services in cheap restaurants.
You win.
Women wanted to have a career first and get married later in life.
Men allowed women to come into the workforce and have millions of dollars in funding, pushing women into male-dominated fields and scholarships and invented IVF to give us another five years of fertility.
The husbands pay for the IVF and they are pushing to get it taxpayer funded.
You win.
Women wanted to be sexually liberated instead of getting married.
Men invented Tinder and Hinge so random men can literally come to your door.
The men from your hometown are not good enough.
Men invented social media so you can get flown out by the highest status men in the world.
Men did not, women did not want to work labor jobs.
Fine.
Men invented social media so you can talk into a microphone and get paid.
You can now work from home so you can have a family and be a mom.
You can make money selling your nudes on the internet and become a billionaire.
Women did not want to give birth.
Fine.
Men invented surrogacy so another woman can do it for you.
Women wanted to be thin without working out.
Now you have Ozumpic.
You want to look younger?
Fine.
Men invented Botox, hair dye, filters on your phone, nose jobs, Anna knows, plastic surgery, lash extensions, makeup, and AI to make you look thinner.
You wish to look into it.
You can now wait till 40 to have a baby, freeze your face, work in an air-conditioned office, earn a living sitting on your ass, getting fat, spending money you don't have, marry someone to pay it off, divorce him.
Put him on alimony and child support, get a Roomba, abort your kid, have unprotected sex on camera, get paid for it, order any cooked food to your door, get a self-driving car, and then complain to men that they caused you to be lazy and fat.
You are now empowered to have 10 abortions, bang 300 men, take a DEI position that pays 300K a year, uber eats a plan B, study underwater basket weaving, and get sympathy when your degree pays no money.
Feminists are spoiled, liberal, progressive women that have no idea how good they have it.
You guys will never be happy until men are nothing but empty shells who are slaves to the system fueled by feminists' selfishness, spending habits, and poor choices.
Feminists don't care about equality because if they did, there would be equal rights for men.
There would be equal men's shelters.
There would be equal funding for men's cancer.
There would be equal, there would be real equality.
I checked 20 different feminist websites and have not found one that mentioned a single issue that asked for men to be equal.
It only asked for special treatment.
Feminism has empowered women to destroy this country through the death of a thousand cuts.
Feminism is not about equality.
It's about insidious domination.
It has been a slow creep to where women are complaining about their non-existent oppression.
Men have figured this out because they're highly adaptive and the math is not mathing.
I am curious to know feminist plan when men refuse to stop providing, protecting, and maintaining the civilization you enjoy corrupting.
Feminists are about to fuck around and find out.
Feminists.
Feminists have won.
You destroyed every single male group that used to be strictly for men, like Boy Scouts.
You can falsely accuse men of rape, harassment, and endless lawsuits.
Feminists have more political power, voting power, and spending power than any other group.
Everybody caters to you.
Corporations cater to you because women are the primary purchasers.
Politicians because they need the vote.
Men have to pay child support to a rapist.
Men are not believed when they're abused.
Men have to die at work and at war.
Men have to pay child support for 18 to 21 years.
Men have to register in selective service.
Men are not given additional consideration for college admissions, jobs, opportunities, and scholarships.
Children are not DNA tested at birth, leading to paternity fraud, which is not prosecuted at all.
And men will more than likely deal with this in their lifetime.
Men are the majority of the homeless.
Men are the majority of the suicides.
Women can hit men and men can't hit back.
Feminism has empowered women to destroy men and congratulations.
1.6 million men have committed suicide.
What more do you want, Anna?
Damn.
That was fucking devastating.
Yeah, that was a microphone.
I watched this again.
I won.
I won.
I told you.
I keep telling you.
Recount the votes.
Recount the votes.
Recount them.
I want to recount.
Stop.
You just, listen, you need to get with Wilson and have him train you up on the whole debating thing.
That dude's a master.
Yeah, he's probably the best debater on the planet, to be honest.
At this time, I'd have to agree with you with Ben Shapiro being a close second.
Yeah, Andrew's better than Ben, in my opinion.
I think that's why Ben doesn't do debates anymore.
He can't really defend the Israel stuff.
Not yep.
But yeah.
I'm glad I did it.
You know, I'll learn for the future.
So let me see if I have any other notes to talk about today.
Yeah, next time we'll do a, we'll do one or two documents tops to bring up.
There's some things I would have changed, but overall I had fun.
Thank you to World War Debate for having me.
You guys really did a great job.
And thank you to you guys for helping me.
I mean, you guys are great.
So many.
No, I mean, I don't know.
That closing statement, like, there's no way she could defend that.
It's all true.
All of it.
And her closing statement was nothing but an emotional argument.
Do you think that it should have been the opening?
Or do you think it was better as the closing?
Hindsight 2020.
The closing was actually really good.
So, I mean, you could have, I mean, you, you retouched a lot of the stuff you had in the opening, but you really, really hit it home with the closing.
Yeah.
I think the opening, you weren't, you didn't know if she was going to like talk about your background and do personal stuff.
So you were on a different like wavelength.
Like you were just, let me be professional.
And she was like, let me talk about Pearl's background.
She spent like 30% of her opening talking about you.
You know?
So you didn't know.
Like you're open.
It just, now you know where these people are willing to go.
You know, now you got to just act accordingly, you know, adapt accordingly.
Yeah.
Well, you guys got any final thoughts before I close out the show?
Thanks for three and a half hours.
Thanks for coming, guys.
It's all good to go.
Like I do this to save lives, man.
So whatever I could do to put more numbers on my board, then I'm all for it.
Yeah, I want to get you on one of these debates.
I just know you would cook.
I just, oh, oh, I would pay so much money.
It would turn into a debate comedy show.
You would cook.
Like, can you imagine Terrence versus who would you want new coming to get?
Man.
But I'm not a good debater.
I mean, I'm a good arguer, I guess.
Oh, no, you'd be good.
I can tell.
I'd probably stick to, yeah, I would stick more to the facts and not allow myself to get baited into the single E and double E discount women use, which is like safe, believe, and feel.
Well, and you can talk.
The good thing that you have that I don't really have is like you have a deep, a very, like a deep voice.
And I can tell you know how to like raise it to get them to stop talking over you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I have a hard time with that.
That's from the military command talk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You need to do that in the military.
You need to.
Shut your cup down by hole.
Let me talk.
Would you knife hat?
Would you knife hand during the debate?
Of course I'm like, you son of a bitch.
Unfuck yourself.
Why are you fucked up?
You need to invest in a little unfuck yourself.
Yeah.
I got nothing.
I got nothing.
I thought.
I think we.
Did they tell you you couldn't swear and stuff or they didn't care about that?
No, I mean, it was the first one.
I mean, there wasn't a ton of like rules or I mean, they just told us like five-minute they just told us the length of time for everything.
Yeah, I was getting really worked up in the first half, and like some people were getting mad at me, and I had to apologize.
I'm like, look, I'm really sorry.
I'm out of pocket here.
I understand you came here to listen to a bait, not hear me yelling, so I'm going to move away so you don't have to put up with me anymore.
Really?
What you do?
Some guys were getting pretty mad, so I moved around so I wouldn't yell too much by the same people.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, she has more experience talking to people.
And, you know, her arguments, she was able to cite the sources better than you.
There wasn't it.
She didn't have a lot of uncomfortable pauses like you did.
So.
Yeah.
We live and we learn.
So next time.
Well, thanks for coming, guys.
I appreciate it always.
And where can people find your channels?
Well, I'm on.
I run redonculus.com.
And then if you search for my name, TerrencePop or redonculus.com, I have like 2,000 videos on YouTube, and I have almost as many on Rumble.
I'm on virtually every video platform on the planet.