CONTACT US: Email: paranaughtica@gmail.com Twitter: @paranaughtica Facebook: The Paranaughtica PodcastCRICKET: Website: www.theindividuale.com Twitter: @IndividualetheA former Marine Corps officer, Jim Fetzer has published widely on the theoretical foundations of scientific knowledge, computer science, artificial intelligence, cognitive science, and evolution and mentality. He published over 100 articles and 40 books on philosophy of science and philosophy of cognitive science, especially of artificial intelligence and computer science.He has worked on assessing and clarifying the forms and foundations of scientific explanation, probability in science, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of cognitive science, especially artificial intelligence and computer science.In 1996, Fetzer received a Distinguished McKnight University Professorship from the University of Minnesota, a title that recipients retain until they retire from the University. After Fetzer retired in 2006 he became professor emeritus.He has been an outspoken voice that Sandy Hook was a hoax and there were many elements at play. in 2016, Fetzer wrote the controversial book, “Nobody Died At Sandy Hook”. It became a best seller on Amazon before lawsuits started to fly. At that point, the book was essentially banned.BUT YOU CAN READ IT HERE:https://archive.org/details/nobody-died-at-sandy-hook_202405Leonard Pozner, the father of one of the murdered children at Sandy Hook, Noah Pozner, went on to sue Jim Fetzer for publishing the fake death certificate that was provided by Leonard. Despite there being (5) death certificates for Noah.Eventually, the judge in the case, Frank Remington, decided that evidence didn’t matter and that the ‘law of Wisconsin’, where the case was out of, wasn’t valid in the case of Pozner vs. Fetzer.Frank decided to rule in favor of Leonard Pozner and awarded him $450,000 for “defamation”. For publishing a public record.In this episode, we will discuss that case and also many of the inconsistencies and questions that remain in regard to the events that played out on December 14, 2012, at Sandy Hook Elementary.But we are going to discuss all of this, and more, much more......Sites of Jim Fetzer: Academic: www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzerBlog: jameshfetzer.org 911scholars.ning.com www.youtube.com/playlistlist=PLsfS5KpYMzb20sCxyfSotfX1ELkIBrXZ3 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome back to another episode of the Paranautica Podcast.
I am Coop, and with me is my co-host, Cricket.
And today we have with us a very special guest who I have wanted to talk to for a very long time since, well, at least 2012, 2013.
He is an American professor emeritus of the philosophy of science at the University of Minnesota Duluth, hence retired, and has worked on assessing and clarifying the forms and foundations of scientific explanation, probability in science, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of cognitive science,
especially artificial intelligence and computer science.
He has written over 100 articles and published at least 20 books.
And in 2005 with Stephen E. Jones, our guest today co-founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth.
And I actually spoke with Richard Gage sometime back, which was an amazing, amazing episode.
And I would love to talk to Stephen Jones.
Can you connect us with Stephen Jones, Mr. Fetzer?
Well, we had a bit of a falling out in 2006, when at the end of the year, Stephen participated with others in sabotaging scholars for 9-11.
No, really?
Yeah, yeah.
I'd become convinced already by June, when Alex Jones had American Scholars Conference 9-11, and he invited me to be the keynote speaker, that Stephen's advocacy of nanothermite.
Was ill-fated and misconceived.
In fact, it turns out Steve has a lot of experience with nuclear processes, and that's what happened in 9-11.
The major buildings were taken out with mini-nukes in the sub-basement because of their tube within the tube design.
The inner tube was destroyed from the bottom up, and then it had the effects of blowing the building apart from the top down in every direction, all the floors remaining stationary, waiting there turned in the memorable phrase of Morgan Reynolds to be blown to Kingdom Come.
And when it was over, there was no pile of debris.
I mean, contrast it with building seven, 47 floors.
All of them come down at the same time.
Classic controlled demolition.
And when it's over, you got five and a half floors, which is 12% of 47, the original, which is what we have with classic controlled demolition, but with one and two, nothing.
I had Father Frank Morales on my show twice.
He was a first responder from St. Mark's Episcopal Church, and both times he emphasized those buildings were destroyed two or even below ground level.
So what that means is it was no kind of collapse.
It was a demolition, but I would call it a demolition under control, but it was not a controlled demolition, which was what happened to Building 7. So people participate with Kevin,
Ryan, and others.
They had a fake poll of the membership.
I'd founded Scholars in December of 2005.
I'd invited David Ray Griffin to be my co-chair, and he declined and suggested Jones.
So I invited Steve to be my co-chair.
And the organization took off like a rocket.
I mean, by the end of 2006, we had 400, 600 members worldwide divided into four categories.
I think what made them out of shape...
Was that in November?
As I recall, it was November 11th.
I did an interview with Judy Wood now.
See, I'm a philosopher of science.
I know the rules for sorting out between different theories, but the important part is get the theories out there so you can assess them in relation to the available evidence.
So I began doing interviews with Judy, and of course she had her book, Where Did the Towers Go?
She had a website.
So what I did was pioneer interaction between the computer And the internet, the radio.
Because we'd tell people to go to her website, and then we'd look at drawings, videos, photographs.
She had a spectacular assemblage of photographs, and talk about them.
Well, evidently, that was too much for Steve and Kevin Ryan, who have glorified themselves, and they sabotaged scholars.
We were actually making a lot of headway.
So I'm not wildly enthusiastic about Steve Jones.
In fact, I think he was a plant.
David Ray Griffin made a huge mistake in suggesting I should bring him in as my co-chair because he had to know how it was really done.
I mean, that was an area of his expertise.
Who better to cover it up than someone who knows exactly how it needs to be covered up?
Now, Richard Gaines.
Richard Gade was, of course, the founder of Architects and Engineers, which you believe, in their charter, they say they'll only talk about scientific aspects of the World Trade Center attack.
Meaning, and this is also true of Judy Wood, and most don't even think about it, neither Judy Wood nor Architects and Engineers will talk about the context.
The situation historically as to why the World Trade Center was attacked and who was responsible.
And it turns out we scholars have carried that forward.
I published two books.
I had a conference here in Madison on 9-11 in 2007, published my first book called The 9-11 Conspiracy, which, of course, is true on the official account because you got these...
Islamic terrorists, and if there's more than one, perpetrating an illegal act, acting at concert, it's a conspiracy.
But the subtitle was A Scamming of America.
When I had my conference here, I gave Judy, a non-president, three hours to speak.
Now, as an academician, I've been to tons of conferences.
No one has ever had three hours to speak.
But I like what she was doing.
I thought she was gaining traction by exposing aspects.
And even though I ultimately disagree with her about the use of directed energy weapons, I think they might have been testing out some, but they weren't the primary mechanism for the demolition of the buildings.
That was mini nukes.
But I think Judy's done a lot of good.
Now, her movement has assumed the characteristics of a cult, sad to say.
For example...
When I organized the Vancouver hearings in 2012, before I headed out to Canada, I published a review of her book on Amazon.com.
I gave it five stars.
I complimented the marvelous assemblage of photographs, documents, records.
But I added the qualification.
I thought she had, you know, disproven the use of large nukes, that she had not disproven the use of many nukes.
I went up to the conference.
More evidence was being presented.
Several speakers about the use of nukes.
I came back more convinced than before with much more evidence.
And I discovered that her followers had attacked my review not once, not twice, but over 2,000 times.
Oh, my God.
Review bombed it.
Well, get this.
It gets worse.
I decided I can't leave that review the way it was, giving her five stars.
Right. So I rewrote it and I pointed out, you know, in defense of why I was faulting her on this one score, that she had ignored the U.S. Geological Survey research on 35 dust samples in New York City,
where they had concluded there were elements present, barium, strontium, lithium, lanthium, tritium.
Some of which only exist in radioactive form, that this had been a nuclear event.
I mean, these were elements, wouldn't have been there unless there had been a nuclear event.
So I put that into my description and downgraded it to three.
Would you believe?
Last time I went, and after this Amazon ban reviews of reviews, it had over 5,000, over 5,000 attacks on my reviews.
This is not on a book!
What? It's crazy.
So look, here's the deal.
This is a cult.
They have a mystical leader.
They have a sacred text.
Of course, where did the towers go?
The mystical leader, Judy Wood.
They got a praetorian guard.
They got a guy named Andrew Johnson in the UK, Thomas Potter, a number of others who attack anyone who wanders off the reservation.
Advocating dues and claiming Judy is the only one who's had anything important to say.
So, honestly, it was such a monster.
I couldn't even upload all the comments on my review on Amazon.
And I think it was after that they banned having comments on comments.
When skepticism becomes an industry.
It is, man.
It is, it is, it is.
That's crazy, man.
I know it.
Now, here's the thing about Richard Gage.
So he has, of course, focused on Building 7. Okay, that's an Achilles heel, no doubt about it.
But without talking about the context, see, the American people, if they don't understand, that this was actually an Israeli op, and it was invented by Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Umar, both of whom had been PMs,
and of course...
He remains the PM today.
And he's even glorified the destruction and claimed it.
Well, that's very good, because, see, they wanted to create an incident that would justify American military involvement in the Middle East, where they wanted to use U.S. forces to take out the modern Arab states.
That served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Iran.
Now, they were very successful in the beginning.
But in Syria, the intervention of Russian and Iranian troops at the request of the democratically elected president of Syria, Bashar al-Assad.
We can't be bringing democracy to Syria because Syria is authentic democracy.
In fact, I'll frankly say they have more honest elections than we do right here in the USA.
I can agree with that.
Yeah, I'm telling you.
It was never the confrontation with Iran.
Now, when Netanyahu's over here now and addresses our Congress, which is Israeli-occupied territory, he's trying to complete the job.
He's trying to get the U.S. to attack Iran.
And Donald Trump has said some incredibly stupid things now.
He said, after Netanyahu implied that it was the Iranians who tried to kill him in Butler, it was just nonsense.
That if the Iranians succeed in killing me, then the U.S. has to wipe Iran off the face of the earth.
But it was just stupid.
Let me tell you a couple reasons why it's stupid.
Iran may be the greatest peace-loving nation on the face of earth.
Their history goes back thousands of years.
They have not attacked another nation since 1775.
Just to put that in historical perspective.
The ratification of the Constitution.
The U.S. Constitution began in 1787.
George Washington was elected our first president in 1789.
So for longer than the United States has existed as a constitutional republic, Iran has not attacked any other state.
They did defend themselves against the Iraqi onslaught.
Which was participated by the U.S. We encourage that.
And most sides lost about a million.
Well, that's horrible.
But Iran has a right to defend itself, just as it does against Israeli attacks.
Trump is showing himself to be a mental midget.
I'm really sorry, because I've been a very strong supporter of Donald Trump up until recently.
And I'll tell you, too, it appears that event in Butler was theatrical.
Let me give you some proof.
Appeared with BB, right?
It came to Mar-a-Lago.
No bandage, no damage to his ear.
It looked perfectly fine.
So, what the F is going on here, you know?
That was the first thing I said.
That was the first thing I said when that happened.
I said, we recorded a show, and I said, I just want to see the hole in his ear.
Show us the hole in the ear.
And then two days later, it comes out with a live conference, whatever, and there's no injury, no bandage, no injury.
It's like, what?
But I'll tell you, this head of the Secret Service who took the hit, and there were signs.
I think there was an actual plot to assassinate Trump.
It just didn't go down because the way it was supposed to, because Trump and his team learned about it, and they flipped the script.
Basically, they flipped the script to make...
Trump the live hero rather than the dead duck.
But she, in Congress, said, ask the FBI, ask the FBI, ask the FBI.
She implied the FBI want Trump dead, and I believe that.
There was an earlier leak.
See, the FBI has pulled so much dirty stuff with Trump going back to Russiagate.
They know he's going to come in, he's going to clean out the FBI, so they want to protect themselves.
By going so far as to take out Trump.
So I'm telling you, she was giving us leads there that I think are legit.
Yeah, they've been attacking him.
I mean, if you just look at it, they were attacking him with lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit.
They're just trying to take him out by, you know, nonviolent means for the longest time.
Couldn't do it.
All these lawsuits are being dropped.
And then they had to go extreme.
Character assassination rather than literal.
Yeah. I think they're now resorting to literal.
Yep. So, you know, there it is.
You've got to stage a man in Butler and try to capitalize.
But now he's going on to make really stupid remarks.
He's now saying, I mean, my wife is committed to Kamala.
She thinks he's the greatest.
Oh, I know, I know, I know!
She's the biggest airhead ever on that political stage.
She's a complete moron.
She is a moron.
I'll say it again.
A moron.
Please say it on my show because, yes, we agree here 100%.
She's a moron.
So she was telling me how there are more women voters in America than men, which is true.
And, of course, the Democrats are going to make abortion their centerpiece.
So it's going to be the good women of America putting the evil men in their place.
But it grew up to me that Trump said if he's elected, there'll be no need for any moral actions.
And I was talking with a very good source with great intel connection about this just today.
And he has said, yeah, Trump thinks he's the appointed one, the messiac, the Jewish savior.
And once he's elected, there won't be a need for any other...
Elections? But I say, this is insane for him to say this, even if he believes it.
He shouldn't be saying such stupid, colossally stupid things.
And listen, when he has said now that if Iran takes him out, and Iran had nothing to do with it, if Iran takes it out, then America has to wipe Iran off the face of the earth, or its leaders are spineless,
gutless cowards.
That gives Israel a hell of a reason to take out Trump and blame it on Iran.
Because they don't really care about Iran.
They don't care about America.
We are just tools.
You know, I mean, Netanyahu in 2020 was overheard saying that America is the golden calf.
We're going to suck it dry and cut it up and leave it as nothing but the world's largest welfare state because that's what we do with nations we hate.
We hate.
I repeat, we hate.
So Trump for them is just, you know, a figurehead, a useful idiot for the Israelis.
In fact, some have said there's a wonderful piece about Netanyahu coming to Congress.
So here's the real president of the United States giving his State of the Union address.
Netanyahu. And I couldn't believe how often these people were standing up to give him ovations.
It must have happened.
Horrible. Yeah, it was just the most disgusting display of obsequiousness I've ever seen.
It was like, They were all bending over to kiss his ass, and they couldn't do it fast enough.
But they're afraid to be the first to stop clapping.
It was sad.
Yeah, yeah.
It was sad.
That's so funny.
Yeah, it's like, what, 30% of Congress is dual citizenship, and it's Israel is their dual citizenship?
Yeah, yeah.
It's insane.
My very first political speech, 2008, Ron Paul rally in Washington, D.C. It was a tax day, April 15th.
And I gave a talk that would later be published under the heading 9-11 and the Neocon Agenda.
And my message was, no dual citizen should ever be appointed to a policy-shaping or decision-making position because you cannot know that their loyalty to the other state does not outweigh their loyalty to the United States.
Common sense.
And both administrations, Trump and Biden, just littered with dual citizens.
Whose loyalty is very obviously not to the United States.
I mean, it's just a disgrace.
It's obvious.
It's so obvious.
It is.
It is.
It makes you bark.
I was convinced right after I watched it that the whole assassination attempt thing was originally at least some manner of deification ritual where they were essentially going to turn him into Augustus Trumpus.
Yep. More or less make him the martyr for some kind of crazy crusade afterwards, and either he would miraculously survive, but they intercepted it and turned it to their own advantage.
So now that you describe what you're telling me as a backdoor coup, that actually makes a lot more sense than any theory I've heard so far.
Because it fits everything, including what I've heard on my end.
Very good.
So he shows up with no bandage, no damage to his ear?
I mean, are the Democrats not going to run with that?
I mean, you know, make the guy out to be a hypocrite, a phony, a fraud, man.
He's an entertainer at heart.
Say again?
He's an entertainer at heart.
He's a showman.
He's a showman.
And he is a mastery of the medium like any political figure in American history.
And now, of course, we have it complimented by the Biden business.
Have you seen the latest Biden?
This is the third or the fourth body double.
He's four inches taller than Joe.
Four inches.
I saw this when he strode over, and I said, that guy looks like a basketball player.
Exactly. You look at Biden.
I saw this one video.
He's walking to Air Force One.
His back is rigid, and he's doing baby steps.
Baby step back, rigid.
That rigid back is a symptom of Parkinson's, by the way.
So what happened?
They were flying into Las Vegas, and instead of landing, the pilot said, we got a dead body aboard.
We got to go back to Washington, D.C. Well, if it were anybody but Biden, you'd go ahead and land, and you'd just upload their dead body.
I mean, after all, but because it was Biden, they had to go back, and that's when they had to figure out what to do.
That's when they had the statement that he was withdrawing from the race with a fake signature, a Ford signature.
Let me bring out this monster Biden.
This monster Biden.
It's unbelievable.
He's just experiencing height diversity.
Even Jimmy Dore has picked up on it.
He's got a wonderful piece.
But when I saw it immediately, I knew what was going on.
I have a lot of blogs about the fake Biden.
The real Joe died back in 2017.
That's, yeah.
So the fake Biden.
That's what I heard.
The fake Biden has a different shape and size of head.
He's got a different signature.
He interacts differently with Jill.
She's right in there.
She was there with this guy who now towers over.
He's a whole head taller before Joe was like maybe a half a head.
And there is Jill applauding as though this were her husband.
I mean, what a phony fraud, Jill Biden.
Talk about vomit.
This is just disgusting.
It's horrible, man.
There's that other video of the Joe Biden.
He's like walking out the back of the White House, going to a car.
And he's just like jiffy.
He's like 20 years younger.
He's just like, hey, how's it going?
Just basically speedwalking to a car.
It's like, well, how many doubles are there?
You know, there's at least six different doubles.
I think that's probably right.
There probably are around six.
I've been going after this and have several blogs about it at jameshfetzer.org.
Just go there and search on.
Joe Biden or the real Joe or the actor Joe, and you'll get all the proof you need.
That the Democrats continue to promote this bullshit with putting out these fake and treat them as though they're real.
I mean, what's wrong with our media?
Are they that easily played?
You know they have the phony Oval Office in the West Wing, right?
And we've been in photographs where you see the stage with the monster teleprompter.
In the audience for the report, but I've never heard any reporter report about it.
So what's going on?
What the hell is going on here?
What a joke!
It's insane.
Virtual presidency.
I just don't get it.
But now it looks to me like Trump himself may be a lunatic.
This guy, he thinks he's a mess.
I mean, give me an effing break.
I mean, I'm really in a dilemma because I'd at least held out that Trump was better than any Democrat.
And because Kamala is an absolute airhead, she does not have a brain in her body.
There's some wonderful parodies of her talking about Ukraine war.
You know, this is her analysis.
Ukraine is a country in Europe.
Russia is another country in Europe.
Russia is a large country.
Ukraine is a small country.
Russia invaded Ukraine.
That's wrong.
Wow. And there's no other details.
History lesson from Kamala Harris.
She's a complete blithering idiot.
And you should talk about how today is tomorrow is today's tomorrow and all that.
I mean, she's an idiot.
She's literally an idiot.
Literally. But now we've got a choice between a lunatic and an idiot?
All a part of the demoralization.
Where are we?
I mean, this is just incredible!
Charlatan and a psychopath.
It's the same decision we've had the whole time.
I'm just unreal.
I wrote a short story satirizing politics years ago, and I said the choice was between a charlatan and a psychopath, and it's hard to tell which is which.
Yeah, well, both.
And now it's a lunatic versus an idiot.
And I wrote that 20 years ago.
You wrote this story?
Love it.
Yeah, it was just a sarcastic little story.
I love it.
Well, you can update it now because it fits.
It fits.
How ridiculous is this?
Now, this whole thing is a stage and we're just watching a whole movie freaking play before our eyes and people are just buying into it left and right.
They don't have common sense.
They can't think for themselves.
They just listen to it.
That's a problem, too.
How many voters are women and they're going to vote not...
On the person's, like, not what they want to do to change the world or change the country, but the women are going to vote for Kamala Harris because she's a woman.
I'm worried.
I'm worried about that.
Well, I tell you, I think Fox had an interview with four women, maybe six.
MSNBC. MSNBC.
I think it was in Wisconsin, but they were all saying, well, they wanted to have a black woman president, but she had to be confident.
Yeah. I mean, they were all saying that Kamala's not...
Not the one.
And she's obviously not the one.
Yeah, I think they were a little floored with the reaction from actual voters.
I mean, these were ordinary, absolutely 100% ordinary people who were just saying no.
All of them.
All of them.
I know.
How unreal.
All across the board.
It totally shook that news anchor woman off her seat.
She didn't know how to respond or where to go next.
Don't you want a woman president?
And Jay said, yes, a competent one.
Yes, a competent, and Kamala is not competent.
Not even remotely!
It's like, why are the Democrats, like, they propped her up to be the border czar, and then they come out now and say, we never made her the border czar, when there's obvious footage all over the place.
There must be 10,000 articles about Kamala's border czar.
Of course, using the AI, you can, you know, you can...
Delete a large number, but the way back was, you know, pick it up.
Everyone do.
Everyone do.
So when they talk about impeaching Kamala, it's for not resorting to the 25th Amendment, since Biden was obviously incompetent, and for her failure to enforce the laws about our border.
I mean, that's a national security risk.
Those are both, I think, treasonous issues.
They deserve.
Articles of impeachment, yeah.
What's sad is, I was reading the plot actually involved her threatening to invoke the 25th Amendment.
So she was using the safety valve as a blackmail tool to get her to step aside when it finally came time.
That's the scuttlebutt now.
That's the rumor.
Kamala, because Kamala is such an idiot, you don't want to replace him.
Well, by Kamala, I mean the oligarchy decided to tell Kamala, you're going to do this.
Yeah. So basically it's virtue signaling.
So she keeps people on her side, but she's really not going to follow through with what she's promising.
Like all politicians.
But the threat was to finally admit that he is what he is.
That's the messed up thing.
The whole reason you have this is because you're supposed to use it if this is happening.
And then they threaten to use it to get rid of him in the end.
Kamala has the same virtues as this fake Biden.
Easily manipulated.
They want somebody that can do anything they want.
Kamala doesn't have a...
Spine. She now has no brain.
She has no backbone.
She has no principles.
She's a nothing.
She's a gigantic cipher.
And we know how to be okay in politics by having an affair with Willie Brown.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Head of the California Assembly and put her on two commissions and her career was launched.
But I mean, you know.
So actually, I think it was...
Common Dreams had an article, don't fall for the propaganda that Kamala made her way in politics on the basis of sex.
But it's absolutely true.
They say don't fall for the propaganda.
It's a fact.
It's a fact.
I grew up in California.
Everyone knew about Kamala.
I mean, give me a break.
See, the trick with politicians.
Not everyone has to be compromised necessarily, but they want to make sure that every politician that's successful is at least dumb enough to believe media.
Because the fact that Trump goes through the whole messianic thing, I've been saved now because Iran was plotting on me.
I mean, that's media telling him that.
Where is he getting that information?
That's the media feeding him that story and him buying it.
So we have to have politicians that are at least gullible enough.
To accept the story they're told, so in the end they fall in line one way or the other.
Cricket, I think you got it right.
I mean, I'm just so embarrassed.
I mean, I've been such a strong supporter of Trump for so long that to learn he has feet at clay has just been devastating for me personally in terms of my assessment of evaluating figures on the political scene, which is obviously something we're all called upon to do.
I've been so steadfast and supportive, even excusing him for unforgivable acts.
I mean, I actually said about the death of Soleimani, that was unforgivable.
But he's still a better candidate.
Today, he's up against an airhead, but he's a lunatic.
So what can we do?
I'm just totally disillusioned.
I think a huge red flag for me is seeing these politicians.
All the ones that get propped up, they all go to Israel to kiss the, well, what they think is a wailing wall, but it's actually the remnants of a Roman temple.
That's very good.
That is very good.
I do, you know, interviews with a lot of experts in the law field, and Nick Kolarstrom is a professor of history from the UK.
And we did about the temple and the wall, and you're exactly right.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
It's all a fantasy.
It's all a fantasy.
Well, where do you think the whales come from?
It's just, everything's just a joke, man.
And you take into account, you know, the Smith-Munson Act, whatever, I think it's, what, Obama?
Smith-Munson, maybe in 48, yeah.
Yeah, so they can lie on TV through the media to us, and so...
They don't have to tell the truth.
There's no reason for them to tell the truth.
Nullified in 2012 by the Smith-Munn Modernization Act just in time to bring a sandy hook.
So I made it legal to do all these phony events and present them as real.
Yes. That had been illegal before the modification of the Smith-Munn Act.
They were able to use it as propaganda abroad, but not within the U.S. Well, now thanks for the walk.
Nice, Andy Hook, Boston bombing, Orlando, Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, Las Vegas, Uvalde, the Buffalo top shooting, Nashville.
See, I bring together experts to sort these things out, and in most cases, I publish books about it.
So I had 20 then.
I got 40 now.
Oh, yeah, 40 books.
Yeah, a whole lot of that is conspiracy research.
Would you believe six of my books have been banned by Amazon?
Six of my books banned by Amazon.
And that means you're doing something right.
We know, we know, we know.
And these are all collaborative.
It's not just me.
I'd be an idiot to go out on a limb about this if it was only me.
I'd bring together experts so we can cross-check each other and reduce the probability of making a mistake.
And that's what we do.
Yeah, Sandy Hook, I brought together 13 experts, including six PhDs, and we established a school that had been closed by 2008 that there were no students or teachers there, and a bit of FEMA drill presented.
Uh-oh.
Instant, he starts talking about it.
Yep, the keywords.
The very second we seg to the content, we go on from other discussion, and he's...
Hold on.
You hear there, buddy?
Hello? Oh, there.
Hey, Jim, we lost you for a second.
All right.
You said the key word.
I'm hearing echoes now.
Yeah, I'm getting a lot of echo.
Oh, it's gone.
Okay, shall I go out and come back in?
Okay. No, hold on.
I think we're good.
Yeah, just start over from the beginning there because we lost you for a sec.
Oh, okay.
We don't have my image.
Yeah, we don't have the image.
Well, listen, regarding San Diego, I brought together 13 experts, including six PhDs, and we established a school had been closed by 2008 that there were no students or teachers there, and that it had been a FEMA drill,
exercise number L366, to promote, you know, to promote gun control, presented as mass murder to promote gun control.
So Amazon had to ban the book, even though it's been on sale less than a month, already sold nearly 500 copies.
So, you know, I released it for free as a PDF, and it's been downloaded millions of times.
So they launched a whole lawsuit so they could plug the holes in the dike and took the book wrongly in violation of Wisconsin law.
You can't believe what I've been through at the courts of Wisconsin over this.
I've been looking into it.
It's crazy, dude.
I have now created a redacted version and released it for free on my website.
If you go to jameshfetzer.org, go for Fake News, The Truth vs.
Alex Jones, and you're going to be able to download the book for free as a PDF.
With only the sentences, I was just sued for three sentences in the book.
And one in another volume, which was like a pamphlet called Sandy Hook Truth, that was edited with Robert David Steele for Donald J. Trump.
And you can download them both.
You can download them both.
Let me see if I can fix it.
Okay. Yeah, and I do have your book.
That's a great frickin' book, man.
I wanted to get into some of that drill, the FEMA drill that was taking place for Sandy Hook.
Is he still here?
Yeah, I'm here, but maybe I'd get the video back.
That's okay.
We'll just go like it is.
I just unplugged and replugged the camera thinking that would work, but it didn't.
If you want to leave and come back in, we can wait.
I think that might be a good idea.
Yeah, we'll give it a shot.
Okay. All right.
We're looking good.
Back, back live.
So do you think six PhDs can figure out whether or not a school is open?
I mean, give me a break.
So get this, about two and a half years ago, a fellow in Connecticut who is friends with two of the participants in the drill called me up.
To say they didn't like the way I was being treated in the courts.
And they wanted to lend their moral support.
And the parties I'm talking about, his name is Steve Lucia.
He probably knows more about Sandy Hook than any living figure on Earth, even those who ran it.
But the two were, you may remember a little blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl, Emily Parker.
You remember Robbie Parker coming out.
Well, Robbie wasn't even her father.
Robbie's her uncle.
And you got these photographs of her with two little girls who are supposed to be her sisters or her cousins.
And she's now in her early 20s and she's smashing.
And she is so smart.
She's one of the smartest people I've ever known.
So Steve is friends with Margaret.
Her name is Margaret Alice Cottle.
She was cast as Emily Parker.
And also with...
Victoria Aurelio, who was cast as Victoria Soto, was a teacher and supposed to have died.
She's beautiful and has beautiful inside as out.
And she was even recast in a role in Uvalde as Eva Morales.
They made her put on 38 pounds to do that.
Can you imagine?
That's crazy.
And she looked the same.
She looked the same.
So I was actually talking to Steve, and Margaret was right beside him on the phone with Vicki.
And Margaret was asking, Vicki, how much were you paid to reprise your role in Uvalde?
And she told her $210,000.
$210,000.
So listen, what I've learned is Eric Holder came down.
The school was actually closed in 2006.
Yeah, dude.
It wasn't even an elementary school.
It was a special needs school.
That's why you only had one entrance.
It wasn't, you needed a U for, you know, kids unload them in buses.
Well, there's so few there.
They didn't need that.
So Eric Holder came down to Newtown in 2012, no, in 2006, and offered them $114 million if they do this.
Yeah, to participate in a capstone event, right?
That's right.
That's right.
Sophia called that out.
Very, very good.
You're on top of it.
And they get fringe benefits to this day.
If you participate in the drill, you don't pay any taxes.
If you participate in the drill, you get free college tuition.
They signed nondisclosure agreements.
They even had auditions for roles.
They had auditions for roles.
It was that rad.
So families that didn't want to have to do with it moved out of Newtown.
And they created all these synthetic families, and in many cases, they gave them free housing.
And a lot of them aren't even married.
And some of them, you may recall when Wayne Carver gave his press conference.
Wayne Carver said that the parents weren't even allowed to come into contact with the children.
They were identified using photographs.
And he had excellent photographers, he told us.
Well, get this.
Most of them only existed in photographs, so that was the right thing to do.
In fact, Mona Alexis Presley, who's collaborated with me on a lot of research, has discovered evidence that some of the parents used photographs of themselves as children to be their dead kids from Newtown.
Unbelievable. And they got all kinds of money.
Would you believe it's still bringing in a million bucks a month?
It's a big money laundering operation.
Wow. How are they still bringing in money for this thing?
Well, they have events like there's a Vicky Soto race.
A 5,000k race that's every year.
That she participates in, too.
Well, she's more or less withdrawn.
She's not real happy about it.
She and Margaret would both like the whole thing to be outed because, see, their lives have been constrained.
It's like they're living in a bubble.
Again, a relationship with people who weren't involved in Sandy Hook for fear of it getting out, see?
So they and Steve have a wonderful relationship.
They go all kinds of places together.
Almost every day I talk to Steve to get the latest because Margaret and Vicki.
Vicki's older.
She's in her mid-30s.
They're like a sisterly relationship, but it's very cutting and cattish and a whole lot of really actually fun aspects to it, if you understood the parties involved here.
When they go out to eat together, they go shopping together, they go to bookstores together, they go to movies together.
I mean, that's really wonderful.
But it's constrained because they can only have relationship with other people who know what went down, see?
And even one of the organizers would like to see the whole thing blown open.
Well, I'm doing my best.
I'll just tell you.
You're doing your best, man.
I may be able to get this thing wholly exposed, I'm telling you.
Well, okay, on that track, where does your lawsuit, where does that stand right now with old Posner?
Well, it took me a long time to figure out exactly what had happened and how to go about attacking it.
And I submitted a motion.
To open judgment for extrinsic fraud and fraud upon the court on the 6th, I think it was the 6th of June, okay?
Now, extrinsic fraud means an event outside of the court that's being misrepresented, as Sandy Hook was a FEMA drill being represented as a mass murderer.
The fraud upon the court occurs when it's imported into the court and then used.
To accomplish some illicit purpose, such as attacking me, see, for pointing out that this death certificate was fake.
This was a death certificate Posner gave to a researcher by the name of Kelly Watt with whom he had hours and hours.
She told him that she didn't believe a word he said, didn't believe he had a son, didn't believe he died, asking for proof.
And one day he said, well, go here to his Google Plus page.
And there was a death certificate.
So she made a copy of it, a scan, and it had no file number, no town, no state certification.
Turns out in Connecticut, not even parents are allowed to have incomplete death certificates.
So it was already a violation of Connecticut law.
But he gave it to Kelly.
I put it in the book.
We did a joint article.
I described it in three different sentences in the book, three different parts of the book as fake.
So they took years.
To figure out how to come about attacking me.
And they did by claiming that I had falsely defamed Leonard Posner, who was the very party who'd given it to Kelly Watt, by claiming it was fake.
But I never said who had faked it.
All I said was it was fake.
I didn't say who'd faked it.
I certainly didn't say Leonard Posner had faked it.
But yet they sued me as though that were implied.
The whole thing was phony.
They violated my rights dozens of different ways.
They excluded all my evidence about Sandy Hook on the ground that, get this, I'm paraphrasing the judge, but this is very close to his exact words.
Whether or not Sandy Hook was real or not has nothing to do with the truthfulness or the authenticity of a death certificate.
For somebody who's said to have died at Sandy Hook of multiple gunshot wounds?
I mean, give me a break.
That's the court.
That's pretty relevant.
The court was just trying to find excuses to get rid of my evidence.
I had counterfeit for abuse of process, because this wasn't brought in good faith, for theft and fraud and theft by deception, because they're getting all this money from Americans on fraudulent grounds, and for fraud upon the court.
Those were all legitimate.
But he bifurcated the case, and so I could only pursue those after the case was over.
And he went ahead to eliminate my evidence so there'd be no disputed facts when everything in this case was disputed.
Just monstrous.
So I filed this motion to reopen.
And he rejected it virtually immediately.
Now there's steps you have to go through for a motion.
You have to put it on the docket.
You have to have a schedule for briefing.
And the other side gets the right response, and then it comes back to whoever initiated the motion for a reply.
He didn't do it.
He just rejected it.
So I filed another one, a relief from judgment.
I said, Your Honor, you violated the requirements of Wisconsin civil procedure.
And he did it again!
He got rid of it again!
And then there was the other side, because I had this mess.
I had 26 exhibits A to Z, 548 pages of proof substantiating my allegations.
So the other side had another of their attorneys.
And see, I'm bringing charges against the judge and the attorneys for this fraud upon the court that they were acting in collaboration to deprive me of my rights under color of law.
Such as a right to a trial by jury.
And she asked that these exhibits be sealed.
Well, she wanted them sealed because they revealed the fraud that was going on in the court, which included them, the attorneys of whom she is a part.
So he just sealed them again without putting it out for a response and a reply.
So now I had enough.
Three times he'd violated, so I've carried that to the Wisconsin Court of Appeals.
For his denials that are just blatant, this is really elementary procedure.
And because it has nothing to do with Sandy Hook per se, totally uncontroversial.
He appears to have been rattled.
And then get this, so now I've filed a motion to recuse on the ground, meaning get him out of the case in any associated lawsuits because of his bias.
And the fact he did this three times is all right.
He might have got all that other evidence where he wouldn't allow me to introduce from my book on the ground that it had nothing to do with the death certificate, which was absurd.
The fact that he had bifurcated the case so I couldn't do research.
He did other things.
Get this.
I had two, not one, I had two forensic document experts submit reports that said, Not only was the death certificate I published fake, so was the one attached to the complaint.
And so were two others I'd obtained, one from the state and one from the town.
All four were fake.
And this was undisputed.
They didn't have an expert who said they were real.
They were all fake.
And the judges set him aside.
He said it wasn't helpful.
Their testimony wasn't helpful.
And that is the whole purpose of this court hearing, is to make sure these are real.
Get this.
Okay, go ahead.
One final point, then I turn it over.
The death certificate they had attached to the complaint was a complete death certificate.
It had a file number, town, and state.
The one I published was incomplete.
It had no file number, no town, or state.
They argued during the hearing when they brought in a fifth death certificate without any advance notice.
That was also a procedural lapse, you know, a violation.
This was the death certificate that he had given to Kelly Watt and that somehow we'd removed the town and the state certification.
That doesn't even fly because it still had no file number.
And this one they published had no file number.
But the judge just bought it.
They had a shabby piece of paper there that was a fifth fake death certificate.
It had an embossment in it.
And he asked me to feel him.
Did I feel that?
Oh, yes, I felt it, but I could also tell it was shabby.
It was thin paper.
It wasn't real.
I subsequently investigated under a magnifying glass.
And he ruled that that showed it was authentic because it had this phony embossment and ruled against me and found me guilty on a summary job.
I mean, it was just outrageous.
This one is for the textbooks.
And those certificates...
Those certificates aren't just regular run-of-the-mill paper.
They're a special form of paper.
Like, you know the difference.
You know?
It's like a birth certificate.
They're thicker and very official.
And as I said, I examined it later in his office with a magnifying glass.
It's as fake as the other four.
Of course!
Because nobody died at Sandy Hook!
But he wouldn't let me introduce the evidence!
By the way...
If anyone wants to see, I did a recent interview with Sarah Westall, who's a fairly prominent journalist.
She was putting to me the hard questions, you know.
Hey, how could I believe?
Couldn't this FEMA manual be fake?
And I explained, well, of course.
So I looked to see whether events on the ground confirmed what a FEMA exercise would require.
They had porno bodies in place.
Yeah. The sign, please check in.
Have you ever heard of a board of bodies at a crime scene?
He laughed.
It was a sign.
As you say, everyone must check in.
It says right in the manual.
Everyone must check in with the controller upon arrival so you get paid.
They had pizza and bottled water at the firehouse.
They had everyone wearing these name tags on lanyards.
They had parents.
Bringing children to the scene.
Can you imagine a parent bringing a child to the scene of a child shooting massacre?
That's the dumbest thing.
Why would you bring a child to a place where 20 children just died?
Because it was just an exercise.
They were treated as a festive occasion.
I've even got a photograph of Emily when she was a little girl among those on the road.
Well, the event was going on and she was supposed to be being killed.
I mean, it's all outrageous.
Yeah, and the evening before, there are photographs at the element or the, you know, Sandy Hook School, whatever you want to call it.
The evening before, they were setting the stage up.
Carver was there.
Like, you can see these people standing around setting the stage.
Actually, that's very interesting.
Here's the deal, of course.
This is a photograph of the crime scene vehicle on the parking lot.
And there's crime scene tape hop.
And Carver is there with his arm folded.
By the way, I showed him that photograph during a deposition.
He said it was too blurry to identify.
Of course.
Of course.
Too blurry.
Oh, my God.
By the way, get this.
In the meanwhile, he's supposed to have departed this earth, right?
But in Uvalde, there is Carver right there in Uvalde.
He was supposed to be dead.
Just like Emily is supposed to be dead.
Just like Vicki is supposed to be dead.
So look, I took that photograph.
I did an interview with a guy named Brian Davidson.
He's a private investigator out of Texas.
And he'd mastered all his techniques of using the internet as an investigative tool, including...
Identifying photographs.
So I just sent him that photograph with no contacts.
I just sent it to him.
He located where it had been taken in the parking lot of Sandy Hook, the school, the alleged school.
But get this, it was taken the evening of the 14th.
That's the day of the shooting.
They had the rehearsal on the 3rd.
In other words, because it shows a string of windows in Classroom 10 are undamaged, they hadn't finished fabricating the scene yet.
So we got this beautiful photograph, the crime scene in vehicles there, crime scene tape, Wayne Carver, undamaged windows in Classroom 10, showing the whole thing as a fraud right there, that one photograph.
And I wanted to bring up a quote that the Judge Remington said for your case there.
Quote, Impossible to
imagine that anyone in today's digital world could believe, much less conceive, that three or four hundred actors could or would keep this secret safe and not be lured to sell this fantastic story to the highest bidder.
Yet, even today, even now, Dr. Fetzer would have everybody believe that, quote, nobody died as Sandy Hook, quote, end quote.
That's great.
That's wonderful you ferreted that out.
It's unbelievable.
I think that was some of his post-verdict.
You know, motion and opinion.
Very, very good.
No reasonable person.
No reasonable person.
It's insane.
They just take for granted it happened.
Reasonable people don't look into things.
And they won't look at any evidence that contests that.
Yeah, that's the problem.
That's the problem.
I don't care if he began with that belief, if he was willing to entertain the evidence, presumably, if he is himself a rational person.
Would modify his beliefs to accommodate the evidence which shows it was a femodril, but he wouldn't do any of the above.
He just excluded all my evidence.
You cannot do a summary judgment if there are disputed facts.
In this case, it was nothing but disputed facts.
So he had to eliminate all my evidence so only Bosner's facts remain in order to be undisputed.
That's how he did it.
The really amazing thing about this whole story is that rather than Being kept together all these years by competent tradecraft and perfect paperwork and hiding it in all the right places.
It's really just all held up on the back end by censorship, summary judgments, preliminary dismissals, threats.
And then on the front end, it's covered by the press blackout, the smearing, if they ever do talk about it, and as I love to quote, Yeah,
time goes on that it's really just, I'm being led to feel this way and be so angry about this.
So I don't assess anything on an analytical level and stick strictly to emotional as
That's right.
Let me tell you, one of my most recent conversations with Steve, I think this was yesterday, we're talking about, he was talking with a primary who managed the whole event.
And they were talking about how come nobody had spoken out from the community.
And he asked, he said, well, Steve, do you know how many remain who were there in Sandy Hook when the event took place and how many remain there today?
And Steve had to admit he didn't know.
It's like 126.
Wow. That they're all gone.
They're all dispersed all over the place.
Once they sign a non-disclosure agreement, once they still have the gravy train, they're not paying any taxes.
They get free college wherever they want to go.
I mean, it's just crazy.
They're getting lots of benefits.
And the amount of money involved here is staggering, staggering sums of money.
Already when I did the book.
There'd been donation between $27 and $130 million in donations already when I did the book.
So I pointed out, if you divide that by 26 or 27 families, that's a million to five million apiece for pretending you lost a child at Sandy Hook.
And these guys, the ones I'm dealing with, actually were put in inadvertently.
Emily... Margaret was put in by her mother.
She didn't even know it.
And Victoria, by her mother, who happens to be the new town clerk.
So they didn't actually sign on disclosure agreements.
I've tried to get them to speak out.
But the best I've been able to do so far is just get a lot of information from them.
For example, the school, as I said, wasn't even an elementary school, a special needs school.
Well, I learned that from Margaret and Vicki.
That was closed in 2006.
I learned that from Margaret and Vicki.
That Eric Holder came down and offered the community $114 million.
I learned that from Margaret and Vicki.
They've been wonderful in rounding out my understanding of what happened.
They're terrific.
I regard these people as my friends.
Margaret introduced the idea of the fencer four.
That's me, Steve, Vicki, and Margaret.
Where I'm the spiritual advisor to the Fetzer IV.
Nice. Showing them guidance that you need.
I'll tell you, Margaret has been reading my books.
My very first book on the theoretical foundations of scientific knowledge is so high level.
Most philosophers couldn't read it.
Margaret not only zipped through it, but she wanted to tell me about my mistakes.
I mean, I can't believe it.
Oh, shit.
Yeah. Writing that book was the greatest intellectual accomplishment of my life.
I did it.
I had a timewriter, and I wrote one page to the last page.
I made corrections, but I never went back and did it.
And they published it exactly.
They didn't change a comma.
Wow. About 500 pages.
That's crazy.
Yeah. And Margaret Barrett couldn't read it.
I've sent her several of my books, very high level, but some not so.
Because I tend to write books at a high level and then have a complementary lower level introductory and all that to make it all come out right.
You know, at the time...
And then I've done, of course, all this conspiracy research.
Yeah, cricket, yeah.
You know, at the time of all this persecution and everything, it was right at the peak of the...
Pretty much original post-9-11 conspiracy movement.
Everybody was really asking questions.
There was a lot of things done.
It almost seems like the gun control aspect of it was a side benefit, and what they were really testing was post-sloppy operation media management, how well they could combine lawfare and media control in keeping a narrative down.
And honestly, they demonstrated it so well that they effectively chilled the internet and kept this conspiracy movement pretty much down until maybe two or three years ago it's been revived.
But there was a good long time where pretty much people weren't asking questions.
That's an extremely interesting observation.
And then he tried to smear Alex Jones with nearly a billion bucks for expressing an opinion.
Maybe they did it bad on purpose.
I tried to intervene in all these cases, including the two with Alex Jones as an expert witness to explain.
There'd been no judicial determination that anybody died at Sandy Hook.
It was all done on procedural grounds.
By presupposition for Alex's alleged discovery, no one knows what it was he didn't provide.
None of them.
Mine was the closest, and you can see how the judge very cleverly excluded all my evidence to manufacture a case of no disputed facts.
I mean, it's just preposterous.
But it's taken me all this time to figure out how to attack it.
And now that I'm back in the courts, I got two cases already in the Court of Appeals.
I have my motion to recuse, and they have written a response.
Even though he didn't docket it properly and give a schedule for briefs, they have posted a response, which is trifling.
And the judge actually sent me a letter saying if I wanted to respond, to reply to their response, I had until August 8th to do it.
So I'm in a final stage of what I hope to be the decimation of this case against me.
Here's the good part.
If he denies my motion to recuse, I can send it to the Court of Appeals and they can reverse and he's out.
It looks like that's going to be the course of action then.
That may be what happens, yeah.
Probably the most probable.
Best case scenario.
Yeah, he's not.
He's very arrogant.
He seems like it.
And he's a guy who doesn't want to admit he's ever been wrong about anything in his whole life.
Yeah, I read through his stuff in his quotes in the case, and I was like, who is this?
He's obviously being paid just to disregard everything.
I'm so impressed you've done that.
That's just marvelous.
I applaud you.
That's wonderful.
I love it!
See, I think that Alex Jones was singled out because he was the showman, which gave them an excuse to do a show trial via summary judgment and a bunch of non-adjudication.
Whereas if they'd gone against somebody who was actually a scholar, it would have looked a lot more like a Stalin-esque show trial.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex Jones was much more participatory.
He was playing a role in that show.
Even if it was persecuting him, he was still an actor in it.
Whereas you would have actually challenged it on legal grounds and found ways to fight it.
You're right.
And they did not want that, nor did they want people to more properly assess the evidence that you had a whole lot more of.
That's right.
I even told his attorney, Norm Pettis, that I'd be glad to come in as an expert with us.
No, no, they weren't inclined.
No interest at all.
Alex Jones' team, they were not...
Wow. That's mind-blowing.
Yeah. I mean, they made him the face of Sandy Hook.
I mean, he's the person everybody thinks of, and yet he doesn't want to even look into it.
Yeah, that...
He's been bringing it up lately.
He's talked about it a couple weeks ago.
He brought it back up on a show.
He didn't get too deep into it, but he's angry that it's all happening, whatever.
My thing was, why does Alex Jones get all the credit, I should say, for it?
When you have been way more outspoken, you've written books about it.
Alex Jones talked about it very minimally, but he's the one that's the face.
That makes him a much easier target, and he's got more...
Prominent position, you know, in the public.
So he's a perfect target.
He doesn't know that much about it.
He can't defend himself, and everybody knows what happened to him.
So that's a great example for the rest of the country.
You speak out about Sandy Hook.
You might get whacked.
Look what happened to Alex Jones.
People were very reluctant to ask questions for 15 years.
I put this little ad out on a Facebook group looking for guests for the show, and I was looking for guests who wanted to talk about Sandy Hook.
And I was just looking for guests who believe a different alternative to this official story, and I got nothing but hate mail, death threats, everything.
I was just like, what the hell?
I'm just asking for someone to come on.
Yeah, it was crazy.
The programming is strong.
Very strong.
Well, if anyone wants to see photographs of Margaret, Steve, Victoria.
They're in this interview I did with Sarah Westall.
It's titled something like Sandy Hook, Alex Jones and the Weaponization of the Courts, you know, with Professor Jim Fetzer.
Look for it.
Sarah Westall, Jim Fetzer, Sandy Hook.
This is really good.
I've done a lot of interviews on Sandy Hook.
This is maybe one of the very best, and it's certainly the most recent, save my conversation with you here and now.
Since I'm not using the slide, you can see the parties I'm talking about.
I think you'll find it really fascinating.
So yeah,
I am very happy to have you here.
You have no idea.
I think it's important to emphasize that It isn't just simply the major players that have been harmed by all this nonsense.
It's important to illustrate that for every Alex Jones, there's a whole lot of Jim Fetzers that are getting screwed over and people just never talk about them past some random news story and some back page.
Like Wolfgang Halbig.
And we forget about those people and they're still getting screwed to this day, a lot of them.
Wolfgang sent me a message while we were on the air.
Oh yeah?
Is he ever...
Wanting to speak at all?
Is he kind of like done with that?
Well, see, they did this film, right?
The Truth vs.
Alex Jones.
It's Amos Pictures out of the UK.
And they contacted me and I said, sure, come on over.
And they did an interview with me and I laid it all out.
I told them, you know, virtually everything I've told you apart from updates.
About when the school was closed, there wasn't even an elementary school at Eric Holder, $114 million, blah, blah, blah, that I've been in contact with.
Margaret and Victoria and blah, blah, blah.
And they seemed sincere.
So I said to Wolfgang, I said, Wolf, look, these guys have been here.
They look like they're honest brokers to me.
I think you ought to do it.
So they interviewed Wolfgang.
They left me on the cutting room floor because they really wanted to use me to get to Wolfgang so they could trash him.
Yeah, it was nasty.
Son of a bitch.
Like a trap interview.
Very nasty.
These people are just horrible people, man.
They are.
They're low life.
Well, I mean, there's big money in it.
But they're very well paid low lives.
They are very well paid.
Big money and low effort.
So you don't have to try nearly as hard and you don't got to be half as smart.
That's right.
I wanted to bring up some of those fundraisers.
Okay, so there's the Victoria Soto fundraiser Facebook page that was set up three days before she was allegedly killed.
I think we all remember that one.
There's a lot of that.
Yeah, all these.
The United Way Sandy Hook School Support Fund was set up like a day or two before the shooting.
Oh, no, three days before the shooting as well.
The old one I remember was the Boston Bombing Fund showing up the morning of the Boston Bombing four hours before it happened.
Because they didn't realize that there was a...
Because the person who made it didn't realize there was a creation time and not just a date.
So they figured, same day, I won't get caught.
How did you guys get so smart?
You have dug in.
Well, I've been a quote-unquote conspiracy theorist.
Since I was like 8 or 9 years old.
Since I was on Windows 95, I was looking on the internet and digging down some deep places I probably never should have done.
I've got a video out there I did about 10 years ago why I, Jim Fetzer, am a conspiracy theorist trying to defang it.
I was headed toward a JFA conference.
Oh my God, it could have been 15 years ago.
When I was contacted by a TV station in Minneapolis, because I'd been in Minnesota for 19 years on that Duluth campus.
And they asked me, after questions about JFK, how I'd like to be called a conspiracy theorist.
I said, well, better a conspiracy realist or a conspiracy analyst.
But conspiracy realist, one of my first papers, it's entitled Thinking About Conspiracy Theories, JFK and 9-11.
I explained how conspiracies are as American as apple pie.
Most Americans are economic.
I just went on from there.
I talked in that piece about a then-current issue of the New York Times where on every page there were stories you could only understand if you grasp the concept of conspiracy.
Every page.
What's interesting is...
Most recently, I've noticed the media has sagged away from calling them conspiracy theories to just calling them conspiracies and saying that it's bad that you believe in them, as if to say, well, okay, these are true.
We're not even going to try to say they're fake anymore, but still don't believe them.
This is what I love about this thing in Butler.
There's so much evidence that it's very controversial.
It's got all these anomalies, and people open their minds.
Could it have been faked?
And if that's been faked, what else has been faked?
See, so I love it.
I'm really glad it's out there.
Oh, yeah, man.
The internet has helped us a lot.
It's also hurt us a lot.
But I think at this point it's done more good than bad.
Well, the problem is, yeah, they thought they were going to be able to manage opinion using the internet.
They didn't realize it would grow like weeds, you know, and sprout up everywhere.
Yeah. A friend of mine has a book describing the internet as a new Gutenberg press.
And now they're having so many problems trying to contain it.
Because too much truth is getting out there.
But look, this guy, Leonard Posner, sued me.
He's been responsible for taking down 1,500 videos about Sandy Hook.
1,500!
That's why it's important for everybody to cache and save all these videos and documents on an external hard drive because someday all this is going to be wiped clean.
Some of it already has.
That's right.
Some of it already has.
It may bring about a big crash.
Crowdstrike? And who knows what's going to remain?
I mean, I rule nothing out.
Crowdstrike. The last we heard a crowd strike, they were bringing us Russiagate and the steel dossier.
I mean, these are bad people.
We were just talking about that.
And how little they appeared in the news during the entire saga that they were directly involved in and involved major players in the news, no less.
Right. Like, it involved Trump, it involved Russia, it involved a bunch of other senators and people voting to impeach him.
Like, it involved some of the most powerful and famous people on the planet and their name almost...
Never came up outside of tech guides and stuff.
Tech magazines discuss CrowdStrike when talking about the DNC hack.
But as a whole, I didn't really see them mentioned at all.
You're absolutely right.
And they were directly involved.
They looked at it.
They did all the investigating.
How did the Newtown B...
Which is Newtown, the town's newspaper.
How did the Newtown B report the day before the shooting that Principal Hawksprung was dead one day before the actual event happened?
No, it was after the shooting.
How did they interview her after she was officially already dead?
That was the deal.
How does that happen?
It was wonderful.
They mucked up.
Listen, their photographer, their photojournalist.
You know, snap that iconic photograph where you've got a string of like 15 kids that appear to be evacuated.
She took another photograph a few minutes earlier.
And there are all these parents there with their arms folded, hands in their pocket, looking on.
If you zip in between, you know, some of the parents in the background, there are three women there just casually looking on, leading me to describe this photograph as lounging at the massacre.
Lounging in horror, of course.
Bring in the pizza, bring in the water, get the parents, bring the kids.
That's right, that's right.
But you gotta check in first.
Well, you gotta have the post-production party and reward everybody for a job well done.
And she's admitted taking both of the photographs.
Yeah, and if you look at the kids, they're in different positions, so obviously they were prepping the children.
They had a little girl in a big sweater and a short skirt.
They replaced her with a taller boy in blue jeans and a dark sweater.
I mean, it's just so fraudulent.
Every aspect.
Fake, fake, fake.
How many children were in the school, supposedly?
Like 600 was the amount?
According to the official report by Stephen Sedinsky III.
There were 489 students there that day.
You subtract 20, you're supposed to be dead.
You got 469.
And then there's like 70 cafeteria janitors, secretaries, staff members.
So where is a single picture?
We didn't see any of them evacuated.
I mean, how many buses would that are required?
How many buses?
Not one picture shows any evacuation.
Except, well, the one-stage photograph.
Except for the one-stage photograph.
But then you go up to the firehouse and you see people literally just walking in circles, going into the firehouse, coming out a different door, walking around, going back into the firehouse, coming out, just to make it look like something's going on.
Sophia was terrific on that with her San Diego and two, three, four, and five dimensions.
That was one of the earliest.
That was a real blockbuster.
Oh, what about the internet activity?
Was there any internet activity at that school?
Yeah, that was my first edition.
This guy who was the top electronic troubleshooter, Dennis Camino, for the Navy until he resigned and went to work for Raytheon.
Oh, wow.
Studied the Internet and found there wasn't any Internet activity for like six years between the time the school had been closed in the event.
And he's actually right.
It was closed in 2006.
And the event was 2012.
Yeah. And I don't know how you work your way around that one.
Yeah. Because those kids need Internet.
This teaches the internet.
Yeah, well, they have, you know, a pseudo-explanation for everything, but there you go.
Oh, yeah.
He's a brilliant guy.
I mean, you don't need too good of an explanation if any questioning is just going to be led.
With a thousand reporters screaming about you, about how you don't know anything, and look at the facts, and just do your research.
I love how that's so often the argument, is do your research and look at the facts.
Not the facts you're looking into, the other facts.
I know.
I've set up my motion to recuse the four major newspapers, two in Minnesota, one in Duluth, one in Minneapolis, two in Wisconsin.
Not a peep.
Not a peep.
My phone has not been ringing off the hook from reporters who want to learn more about San Diego.
Not a peep.
It's crazy.
Sometimes the dog not barking is your best clue.
That's right.
The dog who didn't bark.
Did any of Halbig's FOIA requests, were any of them met?
Well, he actually had formal hearings in Connecticut, and they had a very nice attorney representing him, a woman.
And they got this far.
There's a town attorney by the name of Frank who was telling people who had been subpoenaed that they didn't have to show for the subpoena, which was completely wrong, sabotaging Wolfgang's hearing.
But one who did show up was Patricia LaLorda.
Was the first select man in Newtown a position equivalent to mayor?
And when they were questioning her about the sign, everyone must check in.
They asked, who placed it there?
And she said, oh, well, the town didn't place it there.
And they said, well, who had DHS?
Which wasn't even supposed to be there.
And of course, FEMA is under DHS.
So that's what was going on.
She was basically admitting the whole thing had been a FEMA drill.
So that's one of Wolfgang's greatest hits, in my opinion.
So that did get out.
I traveled to Newtown with Wolfgang in 2014, by the way.
Oh, that's freaking awesome.
I wish I was there.
We go way back.
Do you guys?
Yeah, he told me then I was the only person he trusted in relation to this whole Sandy Hook business.
And I mean, they were for good reason.
Man, and then you got them all tore up because you...
Let those people go to him.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know.
Well, I thought I was the stalking horse, you know, that I actually did the interview with them and then verified they seemed to be legit, but they were just playing the game.
I should have known that they weren't here long enough.
They were only here about an hour and a half.
I'm talking about 20 feet from where I'm sitting here.
The BBC years ago had come to interview me about 9-11.
They interviewed me for eight hours.
Eight hours!
Painful. And then they wound up using seven and a half minutes.
This was for their first Conspiracy Files show.
Yeah. They had to use that eight hours and find what they thought was the least plausible thing I'd said, and then they used it.
So I was there with Dylan Avery.
He was supposed to be the snot-nosed kid.
He got like three minutes.
Alex Jones, the messianic, you know, like a preacher.
And then seven and a half minutes of me.
So they had 15 minutes of this intro.
I'm supposed to be the kooky professor.
And they had 45 minutes, why anyone would believe any such nonsense.
You know, psychobabble.
BBC. Eight hours.
So when they were only here an hour and a half, I should have thought, something's wrong.
And they didn't ask me to redo anything.
They just took what I...
So they were actually just using me to get to Wolfgang.
Do you know the website, thesandyhookinfo.com or whatever?
It supposedly has all the reports, all the documents, and everything's redacted.
Everything's redacted?
I mean, this is the official story, the official narrative?
Well, this website alleges to have every single report about the case, but you click on the...
Do they have mice out there?
Do they have mice out there?
There's a crap load of stuff here.
I can send you this link.
Well, just tell me.
See if you can do a search on Fetzer and see if Fetzer turns out.
Yeah, your name doesn't come up, but there are just a bunch of files you have to click into to see.
My name doesn't come up.
That suggests it's biased because they're only showing you one side of the story.
I mean, if anyone has proven Sandy Hook was fraudulent, it's me and my associates, you know, my collaborators who have done it.
So sandyhook.info slash reports is the link I sent you.
But what I notice is they redact everything.
And to me, it looks like it's just one of these, just a bunch of false misinformation to put out there to flood the information gates.
InfoSoup. InfoSoup.
Because there was this one police report on scene in the classroom.
I think number 10 or 12, whichever one it was.
Sergeant Cario says he walked into the room with Sergeant Cario at first thought no casualties, then saw a massive pile of bodies in the room.
Wondered how suspect had time to kill them all and then stack them.
I thought 15 bodies.
Two adults near the entrance.
All other bodies at the entrance or in the bathroom.
Bodies stacked two to three high.
Sergeant Cario was EMT.
Cario started to pull the bodies out to open floor and check for life.
Injuries were obviously fatal.
Figured out the children were packed in there like sardines when killed.
Described scene in detail.
Was clear no one was alive.
Saw chief of police.
Let me give you a nutshell response.
Bullshit! Yeah.
Brian Davidson got into the Connecticut files when I was up before the Supreme Court.
I had to submit a motion for reconsideration after they'd rejected, even though I teed it up for them to have an historic case declaring the Seventh Amendment applies in all 50 states, which, oddly enough, they've never done.
And he got into the Connecticut State Police file.
He discovered immediately they redacted all the metadata.
So you can't know exactly where the photographs were taken.
Number two, he went through the various classrooms and locations.
Including the hallway where the principal, Hofspring, and the psychologist, Sherlock's bodies were supposed to be in pools of blood.
No body, but no pools of blood.
He went into classroom 10. Not only were there no bodies and no blood, there weren't even any student desks.
There weren't any student chairs.
There weren't any teacher's desks.
Everything was shoved up against a wall.
So now he found evidence that not only was there no mass shooting, it wasn't even an operating school.
That tells you how bad it is.
And Wolfgang found the affidavits of, I don't know, 14 Connecticut state troopers who claimed they entered the school through the blowout and the glass at the front.
It's absurd.
I have photographs of blowout.
No one came in that way.
The furniture, which was flimsy, was still in place.
The glass wasn't ground in.
And beside the whole idea of stew, but the three stooges would have done better.
Shirley would have gone around and opened the door for Mo and Joe.
So you think a Connecticut state trooper would know enough to have one guy go in and then open the door for the rest?
I mean, it's just absurd.
So you got a dozen more Connecticut state troopers submitting false affidavits, false sworn testimony.
It's just disgusting.
Wolfgang's done so much good stuff.
I mean, they're not even good liars.
That sounds like somebody who is told to tell a story that wasn't actually used to lying because it's almost cartoonish.
So I walked in and thought, oh, it's interesting.
How did the killer have so much time to stack these bodies so neatly?
Well, let's never ask anything about that again.
Let's just clear them out.
It's the level of Icy Noting.
There weren't any bodies.
There weren't any bodies.
I'm not at all skeptical about any of this.
Even in his story, he's unskeptical.
There's no blood anywhere.
It's crazy, because according to Dr. Carver...
How absurd is that?
According to Dr. Carver and the state police, Adam Lanza was supposed to have shot each victim between 3 and 11 times during a 5-7 minute span.
So if one is to average this out, it'd be seven bullets per individual, excluding the misses.
And Lanza is said to shot 182 times or once every two seconds.
Yet according to the official story, Lanza was a sole assassin and armed with only one weapon.
Thus, if he misses and changes the gun's 30-shot magazine at least six times, how would that be possible?
He would have had a shot once every second.
I mean, it really is almost absurd when you think about the level of efficiency that would be required to even accept this happen.
And he was supposed to weigh about 112 pounds, 6 feet tall, and have Asperger's, which affects your coordination.
No professional killer could have done such a great job.
They sold a phony story.
It was a very sloppy job.
And then they used the media and the law, the weaponized courts, to go after everyone who challenged it, especially if they had serious evidence, as in my case.
Alex didn't really have serious evidence.
He did have one reporter on the scene who had spoken with neighbors who said they couldn't understand why there were any students there because the school had been closed a long time ago.
That's the closest Alex came to get the truth out.
And then when he was brought back to Twitter, he and Elon Musk had this long interview, and there were a dozen people there.
And Elon was asking him how he got into this, and Alex said, well, you want the long story?
He starts saying now he's a poor, humble kid who maybe graduated from high school, and before he knew it, he had, you know, 30 million listeners, and he just was reporting what other people were saying about Sandy Hook.
He'd been misled by professors and school safety experts.
But get this.
The professor, of course, James Tracy and me, the school safety expert Wolfgang, and they're in my book.
But he also said in a video deposition in Connecticut he'd never read the book.
He never read Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
So I say, how could we have misled him if he never read the book?
Can't be useful as an idiot if you actually educate yourself.
That makes no sense.
That's absurd.
The whole damn thing is just absurd.
You know what?
But I want to hear what you say about this, Mr. Fetzer, because how
Noah Posner's picture end up on a memorial poster for the victims of the school shooting that took place in Pakistan on December?
Yeah, it was there.
Was a fiction made up out of photographs of his older half-brother, Michael Vabner, when he was a child.
There is no Noah Posner.
There is no Lenny Posner.
There is Michael Vabner.
There is a Reuben Vabner, who appears to be the real party behind the fictional Lenny Posner.
And Reuben appears to have been the one who took down all these 1,500 videos.
And I had proof of this in what I submitted to the court.
I had proof from A to Z. I had proof of how they'd faked Noah using photographs of Michael Vabner by superposition, showing Michael turn into Noah or Noah turn into Michael, done by a brilliant guy named Larry Rivera.
Who confirmed that Lee Oswald was in the doorway of the book depository when the JFK motorcade passed by by superposition.
It was Lee Oswald in the doorway.
He didn't fire a shot.
So they'd faked all this.
I had this in my records.
And they just ignored it.
They just ignored it.
There was an affidavit from Kelly Watt saying that the version published in my book was a version she was given by Posner.
This is the most outrageous aspect of the whole lawsuit, because it destroyed their whole case right there.
They should have, yeah.
So they just ignored it.
They just ignored it.
This is in my request for recuse, my motion to recuse.
I mean, it's that bad.
It was that bad.
It was that blatant.
Those are so difficult to get.
Recuse a judge?
Man. Well, it just might happen in this case.
I hope it does.
It needs to happen.
Well, you can't believe how much proof I have of how abusive it's been to me.
I mean, just grotesque.
So you said the two Canadian state troopers showed you actual scripts that they used on December 14th, 2012?
No one said it was that Wolfgang discovered a dozen affidavits of the Connecticut state troopers claiming they entered the building through the cutout glass in the front.
Okay, okay.
But they wouldn't do that.
These are people who take pride in their uniforms.
They're not going to risk cutting their uniform.
You know, as I said, the Three Stooges would have done better.
Because 12 of them all said they entered that way.
But the Stooges would have had one go in and open the door for the others.
Exactly. These state troopers are dumber than the Three Stooges.
Give me a break.
Yeah, slap them in the face a couple of times, open the door.
That's absurd.
What was I going to ask you?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So there are 26 deaths that they tell us there were, right?
But do those 26 deaths...
Actual number zero.
Right. Let me tell you.
Hold on, hold on.
Let me set this up.
So they say there are 26 deaths confirmed, right?
But then how do those numbers coincide with the FBI's own data on their own website?
Well, see, I consolidated crime report for 2012.
We're at the intersection of Newtown and murders and non-negligent manslaughter.
There's a great big fact.
Zero. Zilch.
Nada. None.
Zip. Not even one.
What more proof do you need?
They want to claim that's a mistake by the FBI, but the FBI's had 12 years to correct.
It is just the same today as it was then.
It is.
I just looked about a week ago.
Still there.
Yeah. You're hanging in there.
I love it how you've done all this research.
That's excellent.
I'm very impressed.
Oh, man, this is one thing that we have to continue researching because it's just the ugliest freaking lie there is, other than like 9-11.
JFK is another.
I brought together experts on all these.
That's my modus operandi.
I bring together the best expert to sort out what really happened.
Yeah, you do a great job.
Because you have many experts who are cross-checking one another.
The chance of our making mistakes is rapidly approaching zero because there are so many ways.
If it were just one person, they could go off on a limb.
And they could get something huge wrong.
But because I bring in all these experts, we're cross-checking each other and ensuring we minimize mistakes.
And we get things pretty close to right, I'll tell you.
Cricket, what did you say?
Oh, I was curious.
They won't change it even now, possibly due to liability potential if they revise it.
But I wonder if post-Smith month patches?
Or the Smith-Munt passage, if they could actually legally report false statistics and not be liable for it afterwards, and thus that would actually cover them.
Would that cover them?
I don't think it would.
I mean, they're reporting what they take to be the most reliable data, and it's not as though this is an incident that's obscure or nobody knows about.
If they got it wrong, they would have felt obligated to correct it, but they didn't get it wrong.
It's just inconvenient for those who want to perpetrate the fraud.
I'm just wondering if the reason why they're so reluctant to change it is because they could actually get sued because that predates the Smith-Month Act, whereas now they could legally post false statistics.
No, no, it doesn't.
It doesn't predate the Smith-Month Act.
I mean, look, the Smith-Mutt Act was modified, was modernized before Sandy Hook.
I thought it was 2012.
It was 2012.
But the Smith-Mutt Modernization Act was 2012.
And, you know, as I see it, it was to legitimize Sandy Hook and all that followed after.
Whether now you could raise the question, was it?
Formally law or not.
It was in the act at the time.
I wonder if they're just not eager to change things because it would demonstrate it as being ex post facto.
True. Which it effectively already is.
Yeah, it is.
But that would make it a little too on the nose if they just went ahead and did that and said, yeah, we can change history.
It would draw too much attention to it.
It's probably easier just to leave that thing up there and have some people that are actually curious enough to ask questions do so than to mess with it and open up more questions.
Margaret also put me onto this.
Namely, she found where the Connecticut FEMA still had it up, that they had the drill right on their schedule.
They had a whole list of six or eight drills, including for Sandy Hook exercise L366 right on their schedule.
And they sent out a map.
They sent out a map.
Had to get from Vima Headquarters, Connecticut and Ridgeport down to Dickinson Drive where the school would be.
They sent out a map.
Well, if anybody was late, they weren't going to host the pizza party afterwards.
There you go.
Had to make sure everybody got there.
Yeah, so they had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
They had eight events.
FEMA, eight different events planned throughout a period of three months.
They're all L366, though.
All for planning for the needs of children in disasters.
Yep. There it is.
And it all came to a head on the 14th.
So, I'm fighting the good fight in the courts of Wisconsin.
And I'll let you know how this plays out.
And if you like, we can do it again.
You know, an update on the legal aspects of this.
Because it's pretty fascinating.
I do believe...
The judge was rattled and committed these blunders.
And I don't see how the Court of Appeals cannot reverse because these are so fundamental to the Wisconsin rules of civil procedure.
I mean, it would make a mockery.
You couldn't have any coherence to civil cases in Wisconsin if you didn't have adherence to these basic principles.
I think they're going to be reversed.
He's going to have to put them on the docket.
He's going to have to deal with them in each case.
I have the option of going up to the Court of Appeals.
I think they realize now something is very wrong with this case.
Very wrong.
Nothing's adding up.
And the fact that, what's her name, Emery Sarza?
She had two different fathers on two different news stations.
Oh, you're talking about in Uvalde.
Oh, that was Uvalde, yeah.
Yeah, they're a little other Hispanic girl.
Two different fathers with the same name, same little girl.
Neither of them stepfather.
No, no, no.
What? Uvalde was a variation on Sandy Hook.
Sandy Hook.
Adam Lanza shoots his mother.
Then goes this elementary school and kills 21st graders and six adults at Uvalde.
He shoots his grandmother.
Then he goes over and he kills 19 second, third, and fourth graders.
I mean, that's how original they were about it at Uvalde.
Yeah, just follow the same script.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
And I've done it.
I brought together experts on all of these, you know.
Yeah, holy crap.
Because the whole David Hogg interview, when he's hiding in a closet and recording a last message, that is not...
What they said it is.
That was Valentine's Day.
And they sent all their kids home early.
They sent them all home at 1 o'clock.
If you watch the real full video of that, they're just, there are people everywhere.
They're all talking.
It's like at a party, like a Valentine's Day thing or something.
And they're like, okay, we're going to record this now.
Are you recording?
And it's like, obviously not in a closet at Marjory Stoneman Douglas.
David Hogg's father worked for the FBI.
He appears to have graduated from Laguna Shoals High School before he came to Parkland.
He just looks young.
And because he had a certain presence, they wanted him to be a spokesperson for the kids at Parkland.
You can thank Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who I have no doubt played a role here.
And they reached out to a woman named Rita Katz, who produces Dancing with the Stars, to do the event in Washington, D.C. And get this.
They claimed the event in Washington, D.C., which was just a couple of weeks later, was inspired by what happened in Parkland.
But in Washington, if you want to close the roadways, you've got to submit a permit 180 days.
That's six months in advance.
And we went back, and they submitted a permit six months before they performed well in advance of Parkland.
I mean, this whole thing was completely orchestrated in the States.
They had all these T-shirts.
Mugs, all this memorabilia, big acts set up.
I mean, it's embarrassing.
People are making a lot of money at taxpayer expense trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.
It's just disgraceful.
It's so disgraceful.
And I think, was the Crisis Actor Company Vision Box, that was part of Sandy Hook?
I don't know that vision box.
I hadn't heard that.
In Las Vegas, it was Crowds on Demand, which is an L.A. company.
They may have provided as many as 500 for the concert area there.
They use a pre-recorded soundtrack in Las Vegas of the sound of machine gun firing.
Then they had special visual effects of flashing light on the fourth floor of the Mandalay Bay, simulating a machine gun and higher up, intermittent three-light blast.
Because American military weapons fire in three-shot blasts.
So that, you know, the sheriff comes up and says, we got no evidence of any shot being fired from anywhere on the 32nd floor.
And here you have this video of the fourth floor with a flashing.
We even got a guy coming up with a weapon and firing in the crowd.
You can see the muzzle blast with nobody's hits because he's firing blanks, in fact.
My dear colleague Scott Bennett is a former Arnie Intel and PSYOPs officer, and I did a piece on Las Vegas, and we're looking at the body that's supposed to be Steven Paddock, and it's blood, and they're shell casing on top of the blood.
Well, how does that happen?
Once you're dead, you stop shooting, as I understand that.
Usually. I don't know, man.
He, with his keen eye, noticed some of these shell casings were from gas pellet guns.
Others were from blanks.
So Brockmaster just threw down a handful of shell casings, you know, because who's going to notice?
They're only props.
And then with the SWAT team, we got footage of the SWAT team going and breaking in.
And the first thing they confirmed, none of the windows are broken.
Oh, wow.
Well, if none of the windows are broken...
How could he have fired out of the window?
But the sheriff told us, no, we have no evidence of a shot fired from anywhere.
And then I think he'd get off to Hawaii.
I think he's the chief of police out there when we have the horrors of catastrophe taking place there.
He managed the Lahaina incident.
Yeah, he was behind that.
He got on board with it.
He was very, very intimately involved.
It's perverse incentives all around.
And I worry about that 2,000 missing kids were bussed to the airport and flown out to be victims of sexual abuse and Satan death rituals and adrenochrome.
That's what I was thinking about the Sandy Hook.
Just a child trafficking thing.
Yeah, but nobody died at Sandy Hook.
That's many, many years later when they, you know, got more satanic.
Sandy Hook was just clumsily done.
I mean, it was one of the first.
That's why they've had to go out of their way to try to suppress it.
I mean, I got so much proof.
I mean, I have a hundred lines of proof that it was a FEMA drill, including, of course, a manual.
I mean, how can you beat that?
And all the events correspond to the manual.
And Cricket, that manual is on Jim Fetzer's website, too.
That's where I found it.
Oh, yeah.
Easy to get.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you go to my fake news, The Truth vs.
Alex Jones, this film where they're attacking Wolfgang, you can download all kinds of docs there, and you can download the book as a redacted, and you can download the Sandy Hook Truth.
Small book that I assisted Robert David Steele in editing for the then President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
I used to believe in Trump, but today, I mean, I'm bewildered.
I don't know.
I don't trust any politician, not a single one of them.
I mean, at first, when it was like Hillary versus Trump, I was like, well, Trump is...
Hillary is a monster.
Total monster.
Do you think we're going to see her again?
We might.
I think she and...
I think she and Michelle are having a cat fight, maybe better described as a dog fight, to see who's going to replace Kamala.
I don't know how they can run with Kamala.
She's such an idiot.
Talk about finding someone more unlikable than Kamala.
I fear that Hillary's going to be a face again in this next election, somehow.
Don't be surprised.
Well, I won't be.
I knew it!
I knew it!
But this crisis actor company, because a lot of people still don't think that crisis actors are a real thing.
That's a huge problem, because they're a very real thing.
But this Colorado-based Vision Box, I'm not sure if they were part of the Sandy Hook or not.
Their name got brought up in my own research.
But their website's visionbox.org slash crisis dash actors.
And according to their website...
Listen, listen.
I think those...
Companies have all grown and flourished since Sandy Hook.
I think that was really a local thing.
And, you know, they invented their kids.
And they got more professional.
You know, they got more systematic afterwards.
And these companies sprang up and are making a lot of money from the American people.
The taxpayers are paying for their own fraud.
Fucking A. It sucks.
But according to their own website, members work in association with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and, quote, can play the part of the shooters, mall employees, shoppers in the mall, shoppers who continue to arrive at the mall, media reporters
and others rushing to the mall, and persons in motor vehicles around the mall.
They are also trained to play the role of citizens calling 911 or mall management or posting comments on social media websites.
end quote yeah so what they do
It's like they specialize in mall shootings.
That one specifically looks like it.
They are trained for that.
But you look around these different police stations around the states, around the country, and a lot of them have these specially trained groups that do these sorts of things.
There's one in New Jersey who does the same thing.
Well, it's a flourishing business.
It's show business.
Unbelievable in how far it reaches.
It's hard to sort out how much of what happens in politics in America is pure theater and what is actually real.
I know.
And that was the whole CIA's plan.
Even Obama said something about it.
Another FBI director or something saying, like, we will know our plan worked once the people do not understand the difference between real information.
Oh, yeah.
That was William Casey when he became CIA director after getting Reagan elected.
I have a friend who was there when he said it.
He said, our disinformation program will be a success when everything the American people believe is false.
CIA director!
Wow! It was successful for over a decade.
It's only recently had lack of success.
It was actually pretty successful for almost 15 years straight.
I agree.
For decades.
For decades.
Not so much now, but recently it's been doing pretty bad.
But before then, extremely effective.
You know, I'm thinking if I win and get my case reversed, the judge recused, they're not going to refile because I could destroy it with all the evidence I have.
I know enough about the law now to handle it properly.
The media probably won't even report it.
You're going to have this huge story.
Debunking Sandy Hook and the media won't even report it, I predict.
They won't.
Assuming I prevail.
You gotta do whatever you can.
Play by their own rules.
Start making up stuff.
I think that's what Trump did in Butler.
I think that's what Trump got in Butler.
If anyone were interested in contributing, none of this money goes to pay off these debts.
But to assist with my legal expenses, if you want to contribute...
GiveSendGo.com slash FundingFetzer.
GiveSendGo.com slash FundingFetzer if you want to toss a few bucks into the pot and then rejoice if I prevail, which I fully intend to do.
Can you type that in this message thing right here so I can put it in the show notes?
Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to do that, and I've not been able to.
This is part of my not being familiar with your...
Capital G, give, send, capital S, go, G-O, capital G, dot com, slash, fundingfetzer, all lowercase, no final slash.
Fundingfetzer. It should pop right up.
Give, send, go, dot com, fundingfetzer.
And look at that image.
Look at that image.
See, I was protesting.
They brought a fake Leonard Posner in to testify in Madison.
And the judge wouldn't let me pursue it when I tried to pursue it, because Wolfgang, I was going to use Wolfgang as an expert.
When I sent him the video deposition so he could use it to verify, the judge slapped me with a contempt of court, and I got fined $650,000 more for trying to expose it.
That's unreal.
So I had a $450,000 plus $651.1 million.
When they took the book, they threw me a token 100,000, but the book was done improperly and had to go to a receiver so they could, you know, give it back to me when the judgment was made.
But even the judge admitted that Posner just wanted the book to kill it.
He didn't think he was going to sell it, which meant he was doing it for an improper purpose.
But look at that image there.
They had on 60 Minutes.
They were going to show Leonard Posner.
Well, it's not actually Reuben.
It's another member of the family, and they had him made up by this very famous makeup artist.
They reconstructed his whole face, and that's an image from part of it.
Bryan Davidson exposed all this.
It's in his affidavit, which is one of my A to Z Y exhibit Y. Just all kinds of sensational stuff in there.
That they want to suppress.
They want to suppress.
So, I'm telling you, I have covered the bases here.
You have.
You have.
And you've laid it all out.
You've laid it all out for anybody to come look at it and come up with their own mind.
I mean, a reasonable person would be like, okay, this is a fraud.
This whole thing did not happen.
Or any reasonable person.
Or at least I should look into this more.
I'm not expecting everybody to be pulled directly over the fence from the other side, but if I can get people to at least doubt what they've heard, I've served my purpose.
If your mind is even the least bit ajar, then look at that interview with Sarah Westall where she's hitting me with a hard question and make up your mind because I explained my relationship with Emily.
Margaret with Victoria, Mickey with Steve.
All I've learned from them, you get photographs of them.
By the way, everyone who participated in Sandy Hook has read the book and they like the book.
They like the book.
And they're all rooting for me to prevail in my lawsuit, in fact.
If they're bent over anything, it's because I've been abused by the courts here.
They want me to prevail.
Yeah. I'm going to get all this in the show notes for you, too.
Wonderful. Any way we can help.
Because it looks like you raised, what, $20,000 out of the $100,000 you're trying to reach?
Decent start.
Well, so you came in two stages.
There was the earlier.
Now there's the new.
I don't know.
I might have $1,500 in the new.
I'd have to look.
I haven't looked at the page lately.
I know I've got several nice donations.
You have, yeah.
Overall, 20 of the 100, but this is a new effort.
I mean, I'm not paying myself the fantastic salaries these attorneys get.
I mean, it's outrageous.
This whole thing's a joke, man.
$650,000 for bringing a phony lawsuit against Jim Fetzer?
Give me a break.
I mean, this is just...
Yeah, it's insane.
Over a fake death certificate.
That's clearly fake.
Over a clearly fake death certificate.
So I'm hoping...
I'm hoping to finally prevail because I've learned through the school of hard knocks.
Well, we're going to be wrapping this up.
We've got about three minutes.
So anything else we need to get in here really quick?
No, I'm just delighted you guys are doing this and that you take it so seriously.
You did a lot of research to set up for this.
I'm very impressed.
When this first hit the news in 2012, I was just like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
None of this makes sense.
Who's that guy running in the woods?
Where's the blood?
Why aren't their bodies out in the parking lot where the tarp is set up for that?
Where's all the kids evacuating?
None of it made sense to me in 2012, man.
Well, I'm just delighted you had me on.
I'm very, very pleased.
Plenty of people have talked about you and to you without ever learning anything about you.
I certainly didn't want to be another one.
Well, you're doing a hell of a good job of it.
So let's have you on again as soon as possible.
Delighted. I'll be glad to do a return when I have more to report.
Until then, if you want to just tell the people where your website is once again.
Well, the blog is jameshfetzer.org.
Bitchute channel Jim Fetzer.
Hundreds and hundreds of videos.
I'm on the radio regularly.
Monday, Wednesday, Friday from noon to two on the raw deal on Revolution Radio Studio B. Five days a week on RBN.
I succeeded Michael Rivero, who had a show called What Really Happened.
Mine is Authentic News.
Five days a week on RBN.
From 3 to 5 p.m. Eastern.
And the first hour is all news on that RBN show.
And then the second hour, all calls.
Whereas on the Revolution Radio, tends to be a half an hour of news and then an hour of an interview with a guest and then a half an hour of calls.
Mike Rivero.
He started me out in my conspiracy days.
I started on his news aggregate site learning a whole bunch of stuff I wasn't supposed to know.
Very nice.
Very nice.
Well, you guys are doing a great job.
I want to compliment you.
I've really enjoyed this.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You know, we try.
We try hardest to have information.
So, we don't just, like, not talk or not do our research, have a guest on, be like, so what are we talking about?
You don't just try.
You actually succeed.
Yeah, there you go.
We succeed in it.
Thank you, Fetzer.
That means a lot to me, personally.
Thank you so much.
Yes, thank you.
My great partner, sir.
You got it.
Thank you both.
Wonderful. And ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening in.
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