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Sept. 18, 2019 - Project Camelot

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DARREN BROWN : PARANORMAL ACTIVITY AND GHOST BUSTING: PSYCHIC PLUMBER

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone. everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	We have a wonderful guest.
	This is Darren, and I guess we're not going to use his last name, but hopefully he's probably going to become quite famous after the show, I think, because he's kind of a unique individual.
	And I did just put a very short bio on my site that he's given me So we're just going to go by his first name for now.
	I'm going to...
	I guess if you're watching the show right now, you probably went to the right link.
	But you can go back there if you want to check his bio.
	I'll just read it.
	It's quite short.
	Basically, he is a...
	I'm actually now thinking you're a paranormal plumber.
	So that's kind of an interesting...
	Moniker.
	But at any rate, he has been ghostbusting with his brother for many years.
	And they have a website, which is linked here on my page.
	And it's actually below the actual show.
	And he's been helping people around Britain.
	With Ghostbusting and his...
	Actually, it's called Layton Linslade Paranormal Society, and there's a link there.
	And so from there, what I'm going to do is let you take over, Darren, and tell us, first of all, how you got into Ghostbusting.
	Okay, yeah, that's no problem.
	Well, it's quite a good story, actually.
	One of the reasons why I got into Ghostbusting was because...
	When I was a young child, I used to see a lot of things anyway, and I was always told that I had an active imagination, which, you know, my mum and dad always sort of said, oh, well, it's just because, you know, I was a bit of a dreamer.
	I was sort of like looking in the classroom, and I'd be glazing through the window, and I'd be thinking, I'd be in my own little world, you know.
	And when I was a child, that's what I was like.
	But then what I realised is there was other things that were going on beyond that.
	And from a very young age, going on upwards.
	And there are certain situations...
	I mean, how far would you like me to talk?
	Would you like me to talk when I was a child?
	Yeah, I would.
	We have time for quite a bit, so go right ahead.
	Okay, no problem.
	I'll give you one of my instances anyway.
	We used to live in a house.
	It was a two-bedroom house with my mum and dad.
	There was me and my brother Tony.
	Mark wasn't around.
	Mark at that time...
	Was a twinkle in my mum and dad's eyes.
	So this shows you how far back we're going.
	And me and my brother, we always used to be scared of going up the stairs.
	It was a real weird one because every time we went up the stairs, you had this feeling that there was something following you or something was behind you.
	And, you know, there was a lot of things that used to transpire for that.
	I mean, I used to be scared stiff of flushing the toilet when I was a young child.
	And because it was the noise of the roar of the water, and it used to just scare me.
	And because...
	of that scare factor I think it may be the scare factor which actually triggered something which obviously then it allows certain things to come close to you and there were certain situations when I'm you know I wasn't an angelic child by any means I was quite hard work for my mum and dad and I remember that you know I used to play up a lot and my brother did and they used to put us in our bedroom with the dog And say, right, go on, go to bed, and that would be it.
	And we used to bang a crash around, and Dad would come up and sort of have a go at us.
	There was a time when this actually happened, and I remember, I'll never forget it, it's one of these things that you just remember, it's sort of played in your mind.
	And my brother was there as well, and I remember there was this big banging and crashing noise, and it was really weird, because before that, my bedroom wall, It actually lit up like a TV set and there was things on the other side of the wall.
	And it was just, whoa, what is going on?
	This is just amazing, you know?
	And as a child, I was scared because, you know, I didn't know how to control my fears like I do now.
	So I was really, really scared.
	And I remember that all of a sudden my brother, Tony, he was panicking and shouting.
	And then the next minute, my dad come running up the stairs.
	I jumped into bed.
	And as I jumped into bed, The actual...
	The blankets on the bed, they literally went up to my neck without me doing it.
	And I remember my dad opened the door and he said, oh, you little bleeders, go to bed.
	And he saw the blankets going up.
	And he said, now go to sleep.
	And he went downstairs.
	And he never really challenged that until me and my brother and my dad, we do ghost hunting and stuff like that.
	And my dad...
	You know, I said to my dad, I said, Dad, I said, you know that day when we had that sort of thing that happened?
	I said, did you see those blankets?
	He said, I did.
	He said, but it's one of those things that you just put out of your mind because there could be a lot of things that are happening where, you know, what is paranormal, when you have a lot of it, it becomes normal.
	So it's just something you just think, oh yeah, by the way, this happened and that happened.
	And that's really what my life is really about, is that I have certain things that go like that.
	But that was going on to Fenycross Road, which was in the areas of, you know, it's in the Harpershire, that's where it was.
	I won't say what house it was, because obviously I don't want to get myself into trouble, but it was in that area.
	Yeah, and there used to be a lot of things that happened, like my dad lost his gold watch, and we could never find his gold watch, it just disappeared.
	There was loads of things, you know?
	And...
	I always used to get the blame for it because, you know, when I was a mischievous child, you know, my dad would think, oh, you've hid my watch.
	And I think, well, no, I haven't.
	I haven't touched it.
	You know, these were things that used to happen.
	And there were times then when I used to go up the stairs, you could hear someone with chains.
	And I know it's a bit of a cliché because you think, oh, chains and ghosts, you know, it's almost as if it's been preset in your mind.
	But these things actually happened.
	And I'm explaining to you when I was a child, these are things that used to happen and what I used to get.
	And going back to still being in the Freddie Croft area house, there was a time when I was quite ill and I remember I used to wake up and the chair would be up on two legs and it would be at an angle.
	And I'd be thinking, what's that?
	And then all of a sudden it would come down.
	And, you know, there was a lot of strange things, you know, which I just really took for granted because they used to happen to me all the time, you know.
	And to other people, it's almost like the Holy Grail for some people that do ghost hunting.
	If they can catch that on camera, they'd be like, wow, that's amazing.
	But it isn't just me that's got this.
	It seems to be, in our family, we all seem to have this sort of thing.
	And I think where I'm always going into other people's houses, I almost pick up on energies and I didn't realize that I almost used to pick up on energies and then take them home with me.
	And it used to be quite comical because there'd be times where, you know, I'd be sort of like at home and then I'd be asleep and then the next day I'd see someone at the bottom of my bed.
	And what I used to do is as I got older, I used to try and grab them.
	So I tried to launch myself out of bed, try and put my arms around them and grab them so I could some form of And my wife, my poor wife Chrissie, she used to go mad because she'd be fast asleep and then she'd be woken by me trying to grab these things at the bottom of the bed.
	But one of the reasons why I went into the paranormal side...
	Was that when we first moved, because what you've got to realise, what I've worked out, and I might be wrong, but if you...
	Paranormal isn't just in a house.
	I think it's everywhere.
	And I think if you're that sort of person, you can tap into that energy anywhere.
	It's a bit like Reiki.
	It's a bit like, you know, someone can do Reiki and they can do like a healing and they can do a healing from Australia to here just by using a photograph.
	And they can use that energy of looking at the photograph and trying to help that person, sort of like from the other side of the world.
	And I reckon that paranormal is almost like that.
	You know, they could be possibly five-dimensional beings, you know, which are in like another completely different time zone to what we are.
	Because nine times out of ten, when me and my brother used to go around and we used to try helping people that were obviously having problems with their children, Sometimes they used to get pulled out of bed.
	They'd have their ankle grabbed and they'd be pulled out of bed.
	And they'd say to us, is there anything we can do?
	And we used to say, yeah, what we've got to do is we'll go in there, we'll set the cameras up.
	We will look on this as a...
	The best way to deal with it is not in the spiritual side of things, but we're going to look on it as a scientific side of things.
	And then I use my spiritual side As a backup.
	That's what I normally do.
	So basically what we used to do is we used to say okay then if you let us go in and then nine times out of ten because they used to be my customers they used to go on holiday give me a key and then we'd have the whole night to be able to set everything up with no one there and we used to basically say look if you are here and you are a spirit you know there's no reason why you can't stay here but you must leave the kids alone they have the right to be here you don't and I used to We used to be quite firm, me and my brother, about things like that.
	And we used to say, look, you know, there's no reason why you can't coincide with them, but you've got to realise that there are boundaries that you can't cross.
	And when we used to say that, we used to find that a lot of the times then, after a couple of weeks, these people used to say, oh, it's great, it's been a lot quiet, the children are sleeping better.
	And that used to help the situation.
	But I've had a few experiences which I'm going to talk to you about now.
	One of them was when we moved to Wien, my daughter, she was only 12 years old at the time, and we just literally just moved in, and my daughter, she said, oh, Dad, can I go and get some sweets?
	And the shop said, yeah, okay, no problem.
	So basically, gave us the money, she went up to the sweet shop.
	And she came back crying, and I thought, oh no, you know, someone bullied her or something like that.
	I said, what's the matter?
	She said, oh, she started to spit it on the eggs.
	I thought, right, come on in, we'll go and find out who it is.
	And she said, well, Dad, she says, this person was cloaked and was hovering around me, and it hit me on the head, and I fell on the floor, on the grass.
	I know, it's crazy, isn't it?
	And I thought, oh, you know, what do you do?
	How can you help your family, your child?
	So...
	I thought, right, I'm going to have to investigate this more.
	So what I've done is I went to Angelica's, which is a shop.
	And there's a lovely lady there, Angie.
	Oh, wait one second.
	So we just had an interruption.
	Can you, are you there?
	Oh, okay.
	Yes, I'm here, yeah.
	Okay, that is really strange, but I think we just had some paranormal activity there.
	So, can you just...
	I think we didn't lose too much.
	It was just for a moment.
	You were saying you were going to deal with this individual in the cape that was dealing with your child, and so you went to the place where the person was?
	Is that right?
	No, that's not right.
	No, what I've done is...
	I went to, the name is Angelica's, which is a shop, and they do like crystals and stuff like that, and they do things where you can open yourself up spiritually.
	They were like a spiritualist thing.
	So I went and saw Angela, and Angela said to me, okay, then he said, what you need to do is you need to join a development course.
	So I said, well, what's a development course?
	And she said, well, basically she says, What it's all about is it's about you learning to do meditation, opening up the chakras, and it's about breathing and stuff like that.
	And also it's about knowing things that are around you, closing yourself off.
	One way of looking at it is we could be like light beams and it's a bit like a moth to a light bulb.
	So you get the effect where the moth will go to the light bulb.
	If you close yourself off by doing some visual things, it stops all that from happening in some ways because you close yourself off from that energy.
	And what I learned is that when I did these courses, the course that I did, which was really, really good, it was very in-depth.
	I got a certificate at the end of it because you had to work hard.
	It wasn't something they just give you.
	And they teach you about meditation.
	They teach you Where you can do certain things like psychometry.
	And psychometry is basically where you have an object and you basically hold on to the object and you allow yourself in a meditated state to try and read where that object has come from and where it is by sort of like...
	It's hard to explain, but you almost quite...
	We've seen...
	I think people will know because it's also been demonstrated on various shows on TV and so on.
	Yes, that's right.
	Yeah, so that's what we used to do.
	It was things like that.
	And I'll never forget, there was one Tuesday, because I used to go every Tuesday for about an hour and a half, and there were normally about five or six of us.
	I was the youngest one there, funnily enough.
	And there was, you know, some older ladies there and gentlemen there.
	And I remember that one of the things which we had to do is they turned around and they said to us, right, before you come, we want you to pick a rose or a living sort of like a...
	Like a bud or something like that.
	And they said, hold it, cup it in your hand.
	And they said, then put intent into the rose.
	Then wrap it up in the tissue.
	And then we put it into a bowl.
	And then the idea is that the people read what they pick up on.
	And I was rushing around.
	I've come home from work and I've been rushing around.
	Oh, I've got this gas bottle.
	I've got this to do.
	I've got to get that done.
	And I literally, quickly, just spent one minute trying to put some intent into this rosebud.
	And then I wrapped it up.
	And then when I went there, we put it into this bowl, and then we didn't know what bowls we had.
	And this woman, she picked up this bowl, and they said, okay, can you do a reading on this thing?
	And she says, oh, I'm picking up someone rushing around.
	It's really strange about oil, gas, oh, I must do this, something to do with a boiler service, and then trying to, oh, and it was really strange because she picked up exactly What I was actually thinking at the time.
	So you have to be very careful about intent because if someone that's quite sensitive can pick that up, then what else around us can pick up things like that as well?
	And that's why sometimes you have to guard yourself.
	You have to guard your mind in some ways because you could have an open mind and you could be expressing something and you don't know.
	You could be bringing things closer to you.
	So that's my opinion, obviously.
	Yeah, without jumping off that side of it.
	Okay, but you didn't quite finish the story unless I missed it.
	No, no, I'm going to just go into that.
	So basically Neville gave me the ability of how I could actually help my child and it was about meditation, closing off and obviously putting a cloak and it was visualization techniques about putting a cloak around you and I passed that on to my daughter And when I did that, it stopped things from happening around her and she was okay.
	But she was extremely sensitive.
	I mean, we used to go out shopping and she'd be chatting away.
	There'd be no one there.
	And she says, oh, I said, are you all right?
	She said, oh yeah, I'm talking to this old lady.
	And I thought, oh, okay then.
	And there's no one there.
	But of course, I can't baboo that.
	Because I'm like that myself.
	It is funny that you and her, for example, do not necessarily see the same things.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Well, there has been a time when she did, and that's when we carried out a paranormal investigation, which was in the Hearts, Beds and Bucks area.
	And that was probably one of the most haunted places we've ever been to.
	And it was one of my customers.
	It was quite interesting, actually, because there was a 15-year-old daughter there.
	And the first thing she said to me was, oh, you're not coming in my room.
	I don't want you in my room.
	And I said, look, it's absolutely fine.
	I said, you know, your room is your own haven.
	You know, we're not going to invade your privacy or anything like that.
	And the thing I picked up on...
	When she said that, I felt that she was being influenced.
	It was just like, almost like something's happening to me and saying, she's being influenced.
	And I thought, okay then.
	So what I'd done is I went to the parents and I said, can we do a blessing in the room?
	And we were going around the house and there was a lot of things that we were picking up on the house and there was a lot of dodgy energy.
	And we had an apparatus which we was using, which is called Ovilus.
	It was Ovilus 3.
	It's basically...
	An electronic device which has got about 40,000 words in it.
	And the idea is that the spirits or the energy manipulates the energy with inside the apparatus and it tries to speak.
	So it acts like a sort of thing from Star Trek where you have like a translator.
	It's similar to that where we can get a spiritual thing.
	Now what was interesting is we've used it quite a few times and we've had some really good hits with it.
	I mean we did once when we were at Clop Hill and we were walking and me and my brother were basically walking up to this place in Clop Hill which is quite a well known haunted location and we were coming across some bushes and it came up with bushes and then there was hedges and it came up with hedges and then we came up to the church and it said satanic and we thought this is unbelievable you know Me
	and my brother, we were there at 2 o'clock in the morning.
	They used to have security up there because they used to have a lot of kids going up there, drinking, messing around, causing mischief and mayhem, which spoils it for the guys that are actually trying to find certain things which are there.
	That was one of the instances on that side of it.
	But going back to...
	What I was talking about where the Ovilus and one of the most hoisted locations was that this actually Ovilus it came up with Witch and I didn't know about this because we had someone else that was writing down because there was three of us on this investigation there was my there was Mark there was Tony my middle brother who's also a historian he's our own historian he does a lot of historic things and And there was my wife.
	My wife was there as well.
	And my wife, we had permission from the mum and dad.
	We said, oh, we'll go in and do a blessing in the room.
	You know, just something just to see if there was anything in there, basically.
	Because we were more intrigued when she said, you can't go in our room.
	And I thought, oh, okay then.
	But when we went in there, my wife went into the room and she felt as if something had literally just pinched her thumb and it wouldn't let go.
	And she said she could see the fingerprints and it was holding her thumb like this.
	And she came out, and she was quite shook up, and she said, oh my god.
	I said, what's the matter?
	She said, oh, she said, somebody's just pinched me.
	And I said, well, don't worry about it.
	I said, try not to get yourself stressed out, because the more you get stressed out, the more they can normally affect you.
	If you try and keep yourself on a certain level, I find then that they can't seem to get to you so much.
	But they can catch you off guard, so you have to be a bit careful, which I'm going to talk to you about.
	So, basically, what...
	What happened?
	She came out and my brother, he said, oh, what happened, bro?
	And I said, oh, well, this happened.
	So, okay then.
	So, we went into the room and as we went into the room, there was a couple of books in the room and they started to move.
	So, we thought, well, you know, this seems to be quite an active area.
	So, we sort of, I don't know, it's crazy.
	So, we sort of thought, you know, there might be more to meet the eye than this, you know.
	So, we went and saw the 15-year-old.
	And we said to her, and I said, you haven't been using any Ouija boards or anything like that.
	And she says, well, she says, I do watch TV. She says, and what I do, she says, because she's interested in spirits and everything else, she says she opens her mind up for things to come towards her.
	And I said, well, it's not really a good idea to do that.
	It's because you don't know what you're bringing in.
	Now, what happened is she obviously got a bit scared about it when we had a chat with her.
	And I said to the guy that owned the property and his wife, and they said, look, so if you want to do a blessing, that's absolutely fine.
	So we went in there, I went into the room, and we shut the door, because we'd like to do it in pitch black.
	It just seems to bring more energy into it.
	And there was Mark that had a camera, and we already had a tripod camera as well.
	And the room just seemed to get darker and darker.
	And it's a weird thing.
	It could be just where your pupils are just adjusting to the dark and everything else.
	And then all of a sudden...
	It was like something that was on the bed that was spinning round and it was like a black mass.
	And I thought, oh yeah, there's definitely something coming through.
	And then basically as this thing started spinning round, my brother and my wife was in there as well and they said, oh yeah, I can see something on the bed.
	So it was quite good that I saw it and they saw it as well because it gives you, you're not losing your mind sort of thing.
	I thought to myself, right, okay, I don't know who you are, but the energy didn't seem too good, so I thought to myself, okay then, I thought, I've got to get rid of you.
	Now, as soon as I said that, this thing just, it was an energy, it was just a form of an energy, and this thing just jumped onto my body.
	It just went on me, and I was just like, and I was thinking, I couldn't speak.
	It was almost like trying to control me.
	And I thought, I don't know what to do.
	I don't know what to do.
	And then I thought, okay, then do my training, which was to bring my guide forward.
	And I asked my guide to protect me and everything else.
	And I said, right, my guide, I ask you to move away from me.
	And while this process was going on, I always had like a battle of wills.
	While this was going on, what happened was my daughter, who was babysitting, right?
	She was at home and she was just watching TV.
	And the next minute she saw this rag appear in the lounge and it was spinning around.
	And this rag was sort of like spinning around.
	And she just panicked.
	Oh, my God, I don't know what this is.
	So she sort of panicked and wrote a text message because none of our phones, we don't carry our phones.
	We do visuals or any paranormal.
	We all leave it in one location.
	So she thought, oh, my God, Dad, something's happened.
	There is a rag of this thing spinning around in this room.
	And I thought, in our lounge.
	And I was like, oh, I don't know what to do.
	And in the end, I asked for Archangel Michael.
	This is what I use as my...
	And I asked him with a sword of protection.
	And basically I said, right, okay, I call upon Archangel Michael.
	I asked the sword of protection to line the room and to clear this energy away.
	And what I done is I banished it, basically.
	I said, right, I said, you're no longer allowed in this room or in this house.
	I said, you can go in the garden.
	I said, but you cannot go in this house.
	So that's what I basically done.
	And it lifted.
	The whole thing lifted.
	But what I'd done is I'd done a schoolboy error.
	And the schoolboy error was I should have cloaked myself before I did any of that.
	And I allowed my emotions and feelings to get in the way.
	Because I was thinking of the 15-year-old child, which I was trying to help, but I forgot the main important thing was to make sure that I protect myself before I take on anything like that.
	And this thing just got into me.
	And when we finished this...
	Thing, which was about 4 or 5 in the morning.
	I didn't feel like myself.
	I felt quite aggressive.
	And my wife said to me, she said, you're not right.
	There's something not right with you for a couple of days.
	So I thought, okay, then I'm going to go and see Angela.
	And I went to see Angela.
	And Angela was with a medium.
	And as I walked through the door, this medium said, what on earth have you done?
	And I said, what's the matter?
	He said, well, you're just absolutely, you're spiritually black and blue.
	He says, you've just got black mass of negativeness all over you.
	And Angela, she knows about pagan magic and energy.
	And she said, what I've got to do, she said, I've got to clean your chakras.
	So she used a thing where basically you twist this crystal and basically she visualizes again, taking the cloudiness out of each of my chakras and then replacing them with crystal.
	Like a, you can use like a crystal crystal.
	and then placing that crystal energy back into the chakras because if you take any energy out of the chakras you have to make sure you replenish them with energy back otherwise it can imbalance your body and that's what she done and basically she did that and it took me about a year to get over that actual incident and my wife had problems as well where we used to have dream states where she used to see a woman trying to give her a daisy chain and this daisy chain and then all of a sudden She'd see in her dream state the fingernails
	getting longer and you know and she'd wake up and think oh she's having issues as well so there was a lot of things that used to happen like that and I used to try helping her and we used to help each other by doing meditation and imagining water in the room and clearing the room you know because water is very powerful for cleansing or you can use the violet flame which works well as well like a blue violet flame Yeah, and that's what we did.
	And like I say, it took me a year to go over that one.
	But I remember when I went back to the customer, I said to the customer, I said, how are you getting on?
	He said, you know, this is great.
	He says, what you've done is sorted it all out.
	He says, but I keep getting my tools moving around in the garages.
	He says, I keep getting things moving.
	Sometimes he's in the garages and he gets things moving about.
	He said, but in the house, it's fine.
	Yeah, so yeah, that's that.
	That one incident, if you like, on that bit.
	I've got many stories, really.
	Well, it sounds like you've got a whole litany.
	That's really awesome.
	Now, I would like to ask you, in terms of your own family, you say these are things that have been common to your entire family, is that correct?
	Yes, that's right.
	I mean, when we lived in our other house, which was a two-bedroom house, I mean, my son, he was five or six years old, and You know, right when I married my wife, my best mate at the time, he came into our house.
	And this is when we hadn't been there that long.
	And what basically happened is he'd actually seen something, but he didn't tell me.
	And he didn't tell me for about two or three years.
	And when my daughter was born, she was actually in a cot.
	And it backed on to our next door neighbours.
	And there had been a couple of times where me and my wife had gone up the stairs and we'd almost see like a dark shadow.
	This is way before we did all these investigations that I was on about.
	And we saw almost like a shadow and it used to loom over my daughter.
	And it used to be quite scary because, you know, when you've got a baby, the first thing you want to do is look after it and protect it.
	And then some things which you feel that might be around there, which we couldn't...
	You know, you felt almost powerless to be able to...
	At that time, I felt powerless to be able to actually protect my family because this is when I was a lot younger.
	And obviously, as I've got older, I've learned a lot of things which I use now for protection and things like that, you know, because they still catch me out, though.
	I still have things happen.
	But, no, I mean, when me and my wife, we obviously...
	We're married and we lived in the house.
	There was an incident where, and from this day now, we still can't explain it.
	And I remember it was early in the morning and I went to get up and I couldn't move.
	And it was like this force was actually holding me into the bed.
	And it was holding my wife as well.
	And she was awake and she couldn't get out of bed either.
	And it was like, it wasn't like hands or fingers.
	It was almost like, it was hard to explain.
	It was just literally that you were in the bed and there was a force holding you there.
	And I remember thinking to myself, well, I don't care who you are, I'm not prepared to allow this to happen.
	And at the time, you know, I said, look, the power of Jesus.
	I'm not a religious man by any stage, you know.
	But when I was younger, you used to go by what you believe in, you know.
	And I used to say, right...
	in the name of Jesus Christ I ask you to leave me alone and all of a sudden I remember coming out the bed hitting the wall and sliding down and it was about an eight foot so it was quite a way you know sort of lying in bed next minute I've just hit the wall and I slid down and it was one of those situations where you think what just happened you know and my wife was crying she used to be a bit scared about it and I thought well I'll tell you what I'll do I'll go to the doctors because You know, doctors might be able to explain it.
	And I remember going to see my doctor and he said to me, he said, Darren, I'll let you into a little secret.
	He said, we only know about 10% of the brain.
	He says, there's a lot of things that go on.
	And he said, this is one of those situations where there is no answer for what just happened.
	And that was what we left out of that, really.
	Fabulous.
	I mean, your experiences are so graphic and I think this sort of thing is very valuable for people because things go on in everyone's lives and people do come across all kinds of entities.
	Yeah.
	In terms of when you are dealing with, you've been talking sort of about spirits, it seems, more than anything else.
	So are you aware of what we call ETs, and do you actually see forms, like, more at all?
	I've had many experiences.
	Some of them, it's been quite weird, but it's almost as if over so many years, you almost get to see what might have happened Years and years ago, but at the time you couldn't pick up on it.
	Right.
	It's really strange.
	It's like 10 or 15 years ago, and you think to yourself, oh yeah, I remember that.
	But you couldn't remember it then.
	It's a real weird one.
	But there was a time, again, this goes back to when I was in Fetty Croft area, and my mum and dad used to go to work, and there was Ivor and Paddy that used to babysit for us, and there was a couple of times where he was sort of like an electrician.
	And he was a really, really nice man.
	He was almost like a granddad, you know?
	There was quite a connection between me and Iva.
	And I went into the woods and there was like a diggers field.
	And you might laugh at this, but this is honestly, in my mind, this is exactly what I saw.
	But when I used to go in the woods and I saw the diggers field, I saw almost like a hovering object at the bottom of the diggers field.
	And it was like silver and red.
	And it was round.
	And I remember seeing it, and it scared me, so I ran off.
	And I remember running off, and I went through the woods, and I went back to Ivor, and Ivor was working in the shed.
	And he said to me, he said, what's the matter?
	And I said, oh, I've just seen something in the digs field.
	And he said, well, what is it?
	I said, I don't know.
	I said, it was a round thing.
	And he says, they won't owe you.
	He says, just leave them alone.
	He says, and they'll leave you alone.
	And that was it.
	And it was really odd, because when he said that, I thought to him, oh, okay, because when you're a child...
	You take on what elders say, whether it's your mum or dad, because you automatically think, at the time, that they know better.
	And that was my first, almost my first point when I had something like that.
	And then as I got older, there's been quite a few...
	In terms of, I guess, maybe this is an English thing, you're talking about what you said is a digger's field?
	I don't know what that is.
	The field is cornfield.
	Sorry, it's the terminology.
	Yeah, it was a cornfield.
	I see.
	Okay.
	So, it seemed like a craft of some kind.
	Is that correct?
	Or like a drone?
	It's just a round object, and it was silver, and it had like a red lining around it.
	And it's just something that, you know when you see things in certain things in your life, it's sort of like embedded there.
	It's just something that, when you see things like that, I don't know.
	It's just something that's always stayed with me.
	When I say a drone, do you think that it was like a small drone-like object?
	This was...
	It was about...
	It was quite big.
	It was about the same size as a bus, but symmetrical, round.
	Oh, it's like a UFO. Yeah.
	Oh, alright.
	So, but at the time...
	It wasn't a drone, it wasn't small, although I have seen things small.
	I have seen things small, which again, I can talk to you about if you want, but they're weird in itself.
	Okay, but I want to still get back to this object.
	So, was this a typical UFO? You must know what a round, you know, saucer, what we say is a saucer-like UFO... Yeah, it was basically, it was similar to a saucer.
	It was sort of like, it was oval, it was silver, and it had a red lining around it.
	That's the only thing I can remember at the time.
	Okay, and you ran off, and then the guy...
	I was dead.
	It was like I picked something up.
	You know when you pick up fear and, you know, almost like you shouldn't be here.
	You know, you get that, oh my God, you know, I need to get away from here.
	Right.
	It was that thing.
	Okay, but then the person that you sort of trusted, that you ran to, just said...
	Yeah, which was my neighbor.
	Your neighbor, okay.
	And they said, oh, that's no big deal, type of thing.
	Is that right?
	That's right.
	It was ultimately he knew something that I didn't know about it.
	Oh, fascinating, okay.
	It was just the way he said...
	Oh yeah, don't worry about it.
	He said, they won't hurt you if you leave them alone.
	And that was all he said.
	Oh, wow.
	All right.
	Fascinating.
	Okay, so...
	Now, I want to get back to your experience with the sort of satanic church.
	Have you had other experiences along those lines?
	Because we know that Britain, at least...
	You know, I've actually, as you know, spent a lot of time in Britain, and I'm very aware of the sort of Satanism going on there.
	And I'm not sure if you live in St.
	Albans, but St.
	Albans, of course, has a tremendous amount of paranormal and ghost activity, and it does appear to have some Satanic history, although I don't know if it's known.
	And so on.
	So, what have you experienced along those lines in England?
	Because England is quite notorious in this regard.
	Well, there is some syntactic things that have gone on which a lot of people don't know about in the Hamill-Hempstead area.
	I mean, I've got to be careful because it's my mum's house, which I've got to talk about next.
	And that was...
	Really dodgy place.
	And it was...
	It picks up on loads of things there.
	And I've got to be careful what I talk about because...
	I agree.
	So, you know, so I don't...
	Like, you don't have to go into too much detail, you know what I'm saying?
	But I think you can give people an idea because people may be dealing with things like this.
	And if you can sort of, you know, use some of your sort of ideas of protection and how you might have dealt with something that was appearing to be sort of satanic or whatever in a church situation. use some of your sort of ideas of protection and You know, there are a lot of old churches in England.
	I don't know if that matters.
	But, you know, and graveyards and all of that.
	Clop Hill, funny enough, most of the churches are facing north.
	It's just where they're built.
	And there's also this belief factor that most of the churches are built on ley lines.
	But Clop Hill was built self-facing.
	And that's why there was quite hype for satanic rites.
	And there was things that went on at Clop Hill.
	And there have been a couple of times where they have had to get people in to close things off.
	Because, funny enough, I think now it's probably been built and they've got houses on it.
	I mean, it's...
	So, what was the point about Hempstead?
	Were you just saying a certain house had a lot of paranormal things going on?
	Yeah, well, it was my mum's house.
	Yeah, and I had a lot of experiences in there.
	We used to walk in, and you'd see the mirror, and the mirror would follow you as you were walking in the room, which used to creep you out.
	And then, it wasn't just me.
	Most people that were in the rooms...
	Including my uncle.
	My uncle actually saw something in one of the cupboards which drove him mad and he ended up going into an asylum for a while because he couldn't deal or cope with what he actually saw.
	Which was some form of a green being in the wardrobe which wasn't nice.
	Right.
	Now, what about the idea of, because I myself have seen and talked to ghosts and so on, not a great deal, but I actually have woken up out of a complete sleep.
	Yelling, get out, get out, to ghosts.
	So I know that, you know, and I have had verification, like if I tap into something that I'll find out later that it was correct, you know, that there was such a being in that, occupying that space and other people had verified.
	Yes.
	What I see is a ghost, or with that story, I mean, there's no reason why you couldn't actually think to yourself, well, that could have been a ET, it's quite possible, or another being that we don't know about.
	And this is, the more and more me and Mark, when we've done investigations, you don't know.
	It could be an intrusion into someone's house where these things are beings.
	You know, we can't outrule that.
	And a recent investigation, which we did a couple of weeks ago, and we helped some poor gal, because when she used to sing she used to have things moving around and she actually had a jewelry box which actually disappeared off her dressing table and used to always be under the bed and funny enough her dad was into sort of like flying saucers and stuff like that and he's actually got a photograph of somebody that's walking down the stairs and he's got a picture and
	the feet are actually longer than our feet and it's great and that's quite fascinating as well And we have asked for footage of that because we might be able to pass it on to you and you might be able to study it.
	But it was quite interesting.
	Yeah, but that was only about three or four weeks ago we were there on that situation.
	And what about dialogues?
	Like, you know, I was sort of just talking about, do you have dialogues where you actually get any feedback from the beings?
	What we normally do when we go do visitation is we record it and we write things down.
	We do document things and we try and obviously the first thing we try and do is to do it to see if there's anything which you know so it could be something we debunk it.
	We try and debunk it.
	That's what we try to do.
	So there might be situations where You know, a typical example is like, oh, we can't hear this noise and it could be just simply where the heating's coming on and it's making the pipe bang under the flooring.
	But when you're getting certain things where people are, you know, they can hear people talking through the walls, you know, that's interesting because, you know, there might not necessarily be something on the other side of the wall and you're getting whispers and then you're picking it up as well, which is quite good.
	You know, if we catch it up on camera, you know, and you actually catch a voice...
	That's when we think, yeah, we've actually got something that's quite valid for showing that there is something just besides our particular reality.
	Right.
	But have you had, is what I was asking, was like a dialogue.
	In other words, a back and forth sort of conversation with any entities, beings, etc.
	Well, I had...
	I could tell you about my latest dialogue that I've had, but you might think I'm going completely mad.
	No, not on my show.
	Okay then, I'll tell you about this.
	I ended up catching gastric flu.
	This was about five or six weeks ago, and I was in quite a bad way for about three weeks, and I was really, really ill, and I was getting iller and iller and iller, to a point where I thought I'd have to call an ambulance.
	And I was just doubled up in pain in my stomach.
	I had really bad diarrhea and I was being sick every 47 minutes.
	So I was really in a bad way.
	And I thought, I'm going to die.
	I just feel like I was going to die.
	And then all of a sudden, it was like a flash.
	And I was in this room and this guy just said to me, I just pulled you out for a little while because you were going through it a bit there, weren't you?
	And I was just like, oh my God, I've died.
	That's what I thought.
	I just thought I'd died.
	Because I was in this room, and there was glass chairs, and there was just like this desk, and there was a woman there as well.
	And they were in their 30s, and the guy said, anything in this room is to your timeline, because we're not allowed to show you anything else.
	And I thought, blimey, this is a bit weird.
	And I was thinking to myself, you know, this is really strange.
	And then on the actual table...
	There was a Federation's contract and it was a blue bit of paper.
	And I said, well, what's this?
	And he said, well, this is what we want to talk to you about.
	And he says, we've been watching you for a while.
	He says, we've had our eye on you for a while.
	He says, we want you to help us control a ripple in time.
	And I was thinking, I don't understand this.
	And he said, well, he said, you can't change time, he says, but we can change the ripples.
	I thought, oh, okay then, fair enough.
	And then he says, and he says, I did tell you it's weird.
	No, it's good.
	It's excellent.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	So I said, okay then.
	I said, all right then.
	I said, I understand that, you know, that.
	And he said, he said, look, you don't have to go back.
	I said, well, I can't leave my wife and kids.
	He said, well, it doesn't matter.
	He says, because your timeline will carry on.
	And I said, but I can't leave my wife because we're, you know, I couldn't leave my wife and kids.
	So he said, it doesn't matter.
	He says, if you don't want to do that, he says, you can, he says, we'll do it another time.
	And I said, well, can I do it when I'm 82?
	And he said, well, why do you want to do it when you're 82?
	I said, because I think that's what I'm going to die.
	And he says, okay, then he says, well, if you want to do it when you're 82, he says, but it's up to you to keep yourself alive to your 82.
	And then he said to me that there was a significance that's going to happen in the year 2040.
	And he said, watch out for that.
	That's all he said.
	He didn't say anything else.
	God knows what it's all about.
	And then he says, don't worry.
	He says, he got me to sign this contract.
	So I did.
	Why not?
	If I'm going to be dead.
	And he says, you've got to do this for 25 years.
	And I said, okay then, so what exactly is it?
	And he says, well, he says, you're helping the ripple of time and you're stopping people from corrupting time itself.
	And I thought, okay then.
	So I thought, yeah, all right then.
	Well, if I'm going to be dying at 82, I might as well do it.
	But I said, well, what about my body?
	If my body, I'm 82.
	He said, oh, don't worry about that.
	He says, it's very hard to die now.
	I thought, oh, okay then.
	So he says, we just rebuild you.
	He says, you know, we can sort you back out, no problem, and everything else.
	And I thought, oh, okay, then, fine.
	So I signed it.
	Why not?
	So I signed it.
	And he laughed, and he said to me, he said, you know, Darren, he said, the funny thing is, he says, me and you are having this conversation.
	He says, you've now got 32 years to live your life.
	He says, but in a moment's time, we're going to have this conversation again.
	And that's what made it more real than ever, because you think to yourself, well, hang on a minute, you know, Because it was so vivid.
	There wasn't anything when I was in bed and I was dreaming it or, you know, I was in bed.
	I was literally, you know, I could feel the chairs and I was there in that room.
	And he said to me, he said, That's like a little bit like the Adjustment Bureau movie.
	It was amazing.
	I've never seen that movie, to be honest with you.
	Oh, alright.
	You might get a kick out of it.
	But I don't understand that this contract was titled The Federation.
	Did you say that?
	Yeah, it was a Federation's contract.
	A Federation.
	Yeah, I remember it was blue, and I had to sign it, and it had God knows what in it.
	And at the time, I just signed it, because I thought, well, I'm going to be dead anyway, so I might as well do so for 25 years and try and help.
	And they said...
	That they're time guardians.
	That's what they said.
	That is a trip.
	Yeah, incredible.
	And I said to him, I said, well, I said, what's stopped me from telling you about that?
	And he said, well, he said, you're so significant.
	He says, no one's going to know about it.
	He says, because where you're going to be helping isn't on earth.
	He says, because you'd be too tempted or you'd have too much temptation to try and change your timeline or someone else's timeline.
	And they said they don't run by money there.
	They haven't got money.
	They said, you know, the Federation doesn't work.
	They haven't got money.
	It doesn't work that way.
	But there are other people and other things which try to corrupt it so they still have money and that's what they're fighting against is trying to keep the timeline, if you like, pure in some ways.
	But they were on about different planets.
	It wasn't, you know, it wasn't just Earth.
	It was like Planets all over the place.
	And they said, because I said, well, where will I go?
	And they said, well, where do you want to go?
	It was just really strange.
	And I said, well, I said, I have actually astro-projected.
	And they said, yeah, we know.
	He said, that's why we've asked you to help us.
	And because I had a point where I actually astro-projected, which is another story, basically.
	But going back to that, the guy said to me, he said, right, he said, in a minute, you're going to go back.
	He said, you're going to get a lot of blood.
	He said, don't panic.
	He said, it will pass and you'll get better.
	And I said, okay, well, why am I getting a lot of blood?
	And they said, because we fitted an implant.
	And I said, well, where's the implant?
	And they said, it's in your intestines.
	He said, that's the reason why you're real at the moment.
	It's because we fitted this.
	And I thought, blimey, this is just too scary, you know?
	And I said, well, what's going to stop me if I'm going through a...
	You know, I go on holiday and the bleeper goes off.
	He said, well, he said it's organic.
	He said they never find it.
	And the next minute, I was boom, back in my bedroom and I had really bad pains and I went to the toilet and I just, unfortunately, I had diarrhoea and it was just blood.
	And I thought, no, I can't panic because someone just told me that it passed.
	So for about 47 minutes later, it cleared.
	And then I asked Chrissy, my wife, to go and get some electrolytes.
	And she went and got some electrolytes.
	And I drank the electrolytes.
	And within two or three days, I was back on my feet again.
	And I was all right.
	But that was really strange.
	But that is one of the things that five or six weeks, you know, it was about four or five weeks ago.
	And, you know, it was because it was so real.
	And it's been one of those things, you know, I get a lot of things happen to me, but That was, that one takes the biscuit, to be honest with you, because I'd actually signed into something.
	And the funny thing is, is I think to myself, oh God, I hope I just signed my soul to the devil, you know?
	Because without thinking, I actually signed, I've signed to do something for 25 years.
	So, yeah, it's an interesting one.
	That's extraordinary.
	Okay, very good.
	Now, you talked about astral traveling, and of course, I'm sure a lot of people do that.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, I think, well, I think everyone does that.
	But at any rate, why is that so significant to you?
	What in particular was your experience that might have been?
	I think what was significant to that was, at the time, where we do like the paranormal things, and I've been doing meditation, I've been asking out, if you like, and sending that thought to the universe, is this all there is?
	Can you show me other things?
	Is there a way that you can show me?
	Because I'm quite an inquisitive mind, and because of certain things that have gone on, I needed perhaps that little bit more to be more at peace, my mind to be more at peace because of what's happening to me in certain things.
	I remember that it was about the cliche again two o'clock in the morning.
	I was lying in bed and I was awake at the time and there was this black thing.
	It was about eight foot.
	It was massive and I thought what the hell is that?
	And this thing just jumped onto me and it went into my body and then I lifted up and I saw myself and in the next minute I saw my house and then I saw where I live.
	And then I saw my county.
	And then I saw Earth.
	And then I thought, wow, this is amazing.
	And then, boom, it was gone, right?
	And there was just planets and galaxies.
	And the colour was amazing.
	It was just so enriched.
	It was like red and orange sort of like planets.
	And then I thought to myself, hang on a minute.
	I'm not supposed to be here.
	I need to get back.
	And as I did that, I came back, I went into my body and this thing just lifted off and it just went through the door and it went.
	But I had this certain comfort of knowing what you always in the back of your mind probably thought anyway, it's probably like you, you realise that there's other things, you know, earth is a tiny little speck, there's other things around us.
	And, you know, it sort of gave me closure in some way of knowing that.
	And it's helped me a lot because My fear factor is gone.
	I still have fear for my wife and my kids, but myself, my fear factor, when I have paranormal things happen to me, the fear isn't there anymore.
	It's quite a weird one to explain.
	Right.
	No, I can understand that.
	So, in terms of your, let's say, spiritual understanding and What you go through, you've learned, I assume you've taught your children how to protect themselves and your brothers and all of that, right?
	And everybody.
	But you continue to have these experiences, right?
	Like, in a certain sense, it appears you might have a mission to visit people and being a plumber, of course, makes you go right into their homes, right?
	And you're picking up on other energies and sometimes you can leave yourself open to it.
	And then, you know, I mean, I'll tell you a typical instance, which this happened about a year or so ago.
	It was about two years ago, actually.
	And one of my students was working for me at the time.
	We had a problem with a radiator.
	And my customer rang me up and said, oh, it says at our manor, we've got a problem.
	So I thought, OK, then I thought I'll be over there.
	But it was in Chichester, which is quite a way.
	It's about two and a half hours drive.
	It was 7 o'clock at night, so I thought, I've got to go there.
	So I went there and got there and the carpet was sodding wet.
	It was absolutely soaking wet.
	So I tried lifting the carpet.
	It nearly half killed me lifting this carpet.
	Got the carpet out, isolated the supply, etc.
	Ran upstairs.
	As I ran upstairs, I went into the airing cupboard.
	Something jumped on my back and dropped me to the floor.
	And I was like, Jesus Christ, what the hell is going on?
	And it literally just dropped me to the floor.
	And it was holding me down.
	And I said, look, I don't know who the hell you think you are.
	Get off.
	I've got a leak to sort out downstairs.
	I haven't got time for this.
	You know what I mean?
	So, which is quite comical when you think about it.
	But it happened.
	This is things that happened to me.
	So this thing just lifted off.
	And then I just went into the airing cupboard, isolated the supply, and then went downstairs and repaired the leak.
	I got the leak because I was there.
	There was no one else there, by the way.
	The house was completely empty.
	So, but did you think...
	What occurs to me is that maybe there is no such thing as, you know, like a physical problem.
	Maybe all problems in, you know, our dimension, so to speak, manifest themselves physically, but in reality they have a more spiritual basis.
	You know, it's often...
	The case.
	You know, I have a sort of habit that it's not like I learned about it when I was a kid.
	I just have always done it, which if someone is sick, I always ask them, why are you sick?
	And that's not a very sympathetic question to ask people, but I have always done it.
	Like it comes out of, it's involuntary.
	And I've been told, I was told by a Chinese, a chi master, That, you know, that I was a healer and, you know, but I don't try to be a healer at all.
	And, but I can tell you that, you know, when there is a sickness, any healer will tell you, of course.
	In a sense, you are a healer, right?
	You're a sort of a shaman healer.
	But at any rate, you're going in, you're healing a situation.
	So did you try to communicate with that being saying, you know, are you causing this issue?
	Did you, do you?
	I didn't really communicate with it because I was more focused on trying to sort the leak out downstairs.
	It's funny but I get loads of things happen but I mainly just try and shift it aside and think no I've got to really concentrate on getting this done because it's the customer's house.
	I don't want to destroy their property and I want to try and stop the leak as much as possible.
	But do you ever think that you have a side of yourself that might be working on more than one level simultaneously?
	I think that's possible, yeah.
	Because there's been certain situations where sometimes I've been in a house and it's almost as if you feel that you're not there, you've gone somewhere and you've come back.
	If that makes sense.
	Yeah, fascinating.
	So are you aware of portals?
	You know, I can sense portals.
	So can you go into a place and know there's a portal there?
	I have had the...
	Well, one of the first things that me and my brother did is we went and saw these couple of people that were doing investigations as well.
	And I remember, it was really strange...
	It was in Stony Stratford.
	It was in that area.
	And we'd never seen these people before.
	And we went up to the door and I walked in and I went into the lounge and it was almost as if I was in a tornado.
	I felt like I was in a tornado and I could see this energy just spinning round and it was just noisy.
	It was just noisy and noisy.
	And then I got in my mind witch and demonologist.
	It was just really strange.
	And they walked in and they said, Hi, nice to be here.
	I said, You're a witch and you're a demonologist.
	And they went...
	Wow.
	How did you hear that?
	And I said, I don't know.
	I said, it just popped into my head.
	And Mark was blown away by my brother.
	And it turned out that the guy, he studied in demonology.
	And the woman was a white witch.
	Right.
	An Iranian white witch.
	And we're still really good friends with them as well.
	And they've helped us out in a lot of investigations.
	Right.
	But what I've found is that through my travels, where I've been doing paranormal things and stuff like that, I meet other people.
	It's like there's certain people in my life which I've met, and it's almost like you're met to meet them, so you can talk about that and help them, and they help you.
	And you find out that they're almost like hidden mentors.
	It's really strange.
	But as far as the portal, like you didn't quite finish the story, so you were aware of the portal energy.
	And what did you do?
	Did you do anything about it or did you make them aware of it?
	No, they already knew because the demonologist had put a special, he called it a certain incantation of protection in his house.
	So if there was anything that came in, he had protection.
	And that's what that tornado thing of energy was what I picked up.
	And that's what he said.
	He said, well, he said, what you're picking up on is actually what he's incarnated into his house as protection for his children.
	Nice.
	So that was quite fascinating.
	Yeah.
	And there was a few times I've seen Paul's.
	Sometimes I've seen him.
	There was a place I went to where there was a ley line.
	And there's two ley lines that cross.
	And it was over in Oxfordshire somewhere.
	It was this church I went to.
	And when I went there, there was this certain place where there's like this little river that runs through it.
	And all I saw was five people with swords.
	And it was a visualisation in my head.
	And they looked like witches or pagan magic, something that was going on.
	And I felt almost as if I'd been charged.
	My energy inside me had been charged.
	and we only went there to sort of like look at this church and to wander around because it was like you know there was like things to look around at and I came back and I sat in the room and my wall in the lounge just appeared with like circles of different energy the wall wasn't there it was like there was just like energy and it got so overwhelming that I said to my wife Chris that I can't stay in this room I've got to go to bed and I just went to bed and slept it off and then in the morning My energy had
	calmed down and I didn't quite see things like that.
	But there's been a few times where...
	This is going to sound strange as well and a bit cliché, but, you know, I'd be playing snooker and all of a sudden the whole room would go almost like it's Matrix.
	You'd just come down and just for a split second you'd come out of that reality and you're almost seeing a background A bit like the old internet where you used to have HTML running in the background.
	That's great.
	That's what I used to see.
	Well, actually, I've seen that.
	Have you?
	Yeah, I've seen the Matrix melt.
	Literally melt.
	It's very strange.
	the person who made the Matrix movie who actually did that thing with the traditional thing it actually looks kind of like that I mean it's quite bizarre but now do you know who Miles Davis is?
	not Miles Davis that's the musician Miles Johnston do you know Miles Johnston?
	no you don't know who he is either?
	I don't, no.
	Oh, because he's in England, and he's actually Irish, but he's a well-known...
	He does a similar job to mine, which he interviews people, but he has talked a lot about what he calls these...
	And it sounds kind of horrible, but it's very quite bizarre.
	It's black spider-like beings.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've seen them.
	Have you?
	Yeah.
	When I was on holiday...
	I had my first incidents with them which I'd never seen them before and they were quite fascinating and it was quite scary at the same time but we were on holiday I think it was when we were in Tenerife and I woke up and I remember that it was almost as if there were cobwebs everywhere in the room you know because we were staying in like this chalet place and There were spiders, but these spiders had six legs.
	They didn't have eight legs, and they used to move backwards and forwards.
	And the webs spun off, and the web was going into my son's head and my wife's head.
	You could see the web coming down.
	And as I saw that, there was like this cockroach, silver cockroach, which was on the side, and it was really silver.
	And I remember seeing the fan, which was in our room, which was spinning round, and I could see the reflection of the fan on this cockroach, which was silver.
	It was really fascinating, that was.
	And that was interesting, because my youngest son, he was speaking Spanish one night, and he'd just come out with fluent Spanish.
	And a lot of people said, well, why didn't you put it on Syria?
	And I thought, well, I never thought of that at the time.
	But I saw this woman, a young girl, sitting at a table.
	Obviously she was some spirit.
	So she must have been trying to channel into my son.
	And he was, you know, he was coming out.
	I mean, he can't speak Spanish.
	He can speak a little bit of German, but not Spanish.
	And he was really fluently coming out with his Spanish.
	That's amazing, yeah.
	It was, yeah.
	Well, did he, so you seem, instead of thinking that your son might have actually, you know, had a past life that he was tapping into, You actually think that a spirit was speaking through him, so in essence, you think it came and went and that he doesn't speak Spanish anymore, or what?
	Well, no, he's never done that ever again, not that I know of.
	I have certain situations when he will go to bed, he'll wake up, and he will be scared because he sees cobwebs in the room, like I do, when I did when I was in Tenerife.
	And I think Sam, where he's younger, is a lot more sensitive than I am.
	And he's seen big spiders as well.
	And recently, a couple of weeks ago, he saw a horned being in our bedroom, which was a bit scary for him.
	But I just did a cleanse.
	You know, I just imagined it and got rid of it, basically.
	Because I just go in there, basically, with my will.
	And I say, look, I don't know who the hell you think you are.
	Get out of this room now.
	You don't belong in it.
	and then that's it you know and if I can't move something like that because one of the things we had once was we had this big thunderstorm and uh this was going back about nine years ago and the the kids were crying upstairs and i said what's the matter and they said oh they said we've just seen something i said well what is it and they said well it's like a being but it's lightning right i know it sounds weird so i thought okay then and As I walked in, you could see this energy.
	It was like a flash of energy in the room.
	And I thought, okay, then I'm going to get rid of you.
	And now, bear in mind, I didn't know what I was doing.
	But I thought to myself, right, okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a channel in my mind.
	And I'm going to open up a white light.
	And I sent this white light up into the sky.
	And this thing just went straight into my body.
	And at the time, I had a bad back.
	And as it went into my body, my actual body temperature went really hot.
	I remember it went really hot as it went hot this thing went through me and it went up and it was where the room was cold when you walked in the whole room just went completely warmer a bit like you know when you open an airplane door when you went from England to Spain or America America's even hotter when you open the door and you get this whoosh and you feel like you just walked into an oven it was that effect and I felt really good because I'd actually got rid of this thing And I said, well, go to sleep, man.
	You've got nothing to worry about.
	And, you know, if you like, these things have been brought on to me, which I've just had to deal with.
	But I've all, if you'd like, I've already known how I can deal with them anyway.
	So it's a bit of a strange one.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	Well, you're obviously, you know, very well trained in these things.
	And I did want to explain a little more about these spider beings as Miles has seen them and I've also seen them.
	Yeah, interesting.
	In a sense, they do go along these, I don't know, it's almost like a cable.
	They're electronic.
	They seem to be, in other words, electronic.
	And they...
	I think they might be, like, constructing the Matrix around us.
	And they are, they're not, you know, they sort of are hooked on to, he has said the same thing, they're like on a board, like an electrical board or something.
	He's seen them in radios.
	Strangely.
	Yeah, he was on, he did Radio Caroline quite a long time ago in England.
	It was a famous, on a ship, you know, as a free Irish kind of radio.
	Yeah, and he used to see them when he worked.
	He was, I guess he's an electronics kind of expert or something like that, and he would be working on the electronics.
	And he would, I don't know, somehow sort of see that.
	I have come out of a deep sleep and seen them.
	Like on the walls and stuff.
	And I would jump thinking they were, you know, like real.
	And then I would be fully awake and see there was nothing there.
	But I know they're there.
	You know, it's not like they weren't there.
	So I know that there's also a talk, a lot of talk.
	I don't know if you've ever gone to the Lake District.
	But Miles says, and I don't know if this is true, but Miles says that he...
	Has been told that there is actual, this is more creepy actually, bigger spider kind of beings that live in the caves in the Lake District.
	Have you ever heard that?
	I haven't, no.
	It's quite fascinating.
	Right.
	So, well, I wouldn't encourage anyone to want to go there.
	The lift district is so beautiful, you know, and I've gone hiking there, you know, a long time ago and stuff, and of course, I didn't go in any caves.
	I don't really like caves all that much, personally, but, you know, some people do.
	But anyway, so in terms of, you know, what your organization, because you have this organization, you said, that you started, so how does that...
	Do people come to you and enlist your services through it or do they join and do you have meetings or what?
	We don't do meetings because we don't believe in it.
	There's a couple of other meetings we're not going to mention but they seem to run almost a point where they have admission and they pay the admission and then they go and booze it up in a pub.
	Me and my brother were not like that and we always said that if we're going to do it We buy our own equipment, and I make my own equipment as well.
	I've made certain equipments, you know.
	We've always said that if we're going to do it, we're going to do it true from our heart.
	Because then if someone says, oh, you're a scam, well, how can you be a scam if you're paying for everything yourself and you're offering your services for nothing?
	You know, unless they want to buy us a pizza, that's fine.
	You know, and that's how we operate, really.
	But there has been some genuine people out there which, you know, they've got no one else to turn to.
	And, you know, it's quite a nice feeling when you've gone in there, you've helped, you've made a difference to their lives, and it's helped them in the long run.
	Yeah, that's extraordinary.
	So, in other words, you kind of connect with clients, if you want to call it that, or people that come to you for help through that website?
	Yes, you can.
	You can connect us through the website.
	We used to have a bat phone, basically, where the phone number on there used to be to a certain phone, and if they rang up, then we'd check them out, because the last thing you want is someone to set us up, because, you know, we had incidents, actually, where we had the Sun, which were actually at a pub where we were doing an investigation, and they were pretending to be husband and wife, and they weren't.
	They were reporters from the Sun, and they were just there just to try and Make us look like scams.
	Yeah, and it didn't bother me or my brother because we know that we're not and I've got nothing to prove.
	I mean, if they call me a scam and it goes in the newspaper, Darren, you're a scam, why should it bother me?
	Because, you know, I know what happens in my life and how things happen and no one can take that away from me and it doesn't bother me what other people think, you know.
	But, you know, obviously if it causes problems where your kid's going to get bullied because of that situation, then that is a different level which you have to deal with, you know.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	So, is your brother as active as you are?
	Because you're the only one that came on the show.
	He's had a lot of active accounts, which he's got a few stories he could tell you as well.
	And I have said to him, actually, that perhaps it might be worth him explaining a few things to you as well, which he's probably shying away at the moment, thinking, oh no, don't say that, Darren, but I'm not going to bring any of them up.
	Because again, you know, that's up to Mark if he wanted to explore that.
	Right.
	No, I wouldn't want to, you know, I'm not suggesting that he come on the show now or anything like that.
	I'm just curious whether, you know, he was sort of backing away from the situation or if he was also sort of a full partner in the situation.
	No, no, he's full online with us.
	I mean, like I say, when we do investigations, the one we did four weeks ago, you know, me and my brother were there to 2 a.m.
	in the morning.
	We leave about 3am in the morning, probably, trying to pick up on things.
	We've still got that hunger, if you like, to try and find something which is pretty decent, rather than just, oh, can you make a door move?
	Can you do this?
	Can you do that?
	I try and push the boat out a bit more, in which case, sometimes you can get a lot more things from it.
	There was a place where we were over Up north we were over there and it was this big sort of like charity house and I had a ball which had like lights in it and we put it on a chair and we were in this room and this room was you know and my dad my dad was with us with this one my dad had his camera like this and me and Mark were asking out and we said okay then try and make things happen and stuff like that and all of a sudden I could see like
	this You know when you say, can I see portals?
	I could see this energy start to build up and this energy was going round and round.
	And I said to Mark, I said, oh there's a build up of energy Mark.
	And then the next minute this ball just flew off.
	It was great because we caught it on camera.
	So you know this ball went flying across and there's no way that we'll arm reach away from it.
	You know we're more than arm reach away from it.
	We've got one camera.
	We've got a tripod camera.
	So we've eliminated any factor that it could be pulled with wire or anything like that.
	And it was quite a fascinating thing.
	But it was quite scary as well because the actual feeling got worse.
	And it's one of the worst places I've been to where you actually felt unsafe when we were going around picking all the stuff up after we'd done our investigation.
	So it was almost like we wanted to hide itself while we had all the cameras.
	But then when we put all the cameras down, then it was almost like, you want some?
	We're going to give you it.
	And you could feel it.
	It was very dense.
	The energy was very dense and dark.
	And it got to a point where we both went into the room together to make sure that if anything happened, we were there to deal with situations.
	Yeah, so that was very interesting.
	Okay, now what about alien abductions?
	Have you heard of that?
	And have you had any dealings with that?
	I have actually, yeah.
	Well, when me and my wife, before we got married, we used to go night clubbing and it used to take us about 45 minutes to an hour to get from Chris's house to my mum and dad's house.
	And we used to go night clubbing in Dunstable and then drive to my mum and dad's house, which was 45 minutes.
	And I remember we were on this road, which was the Leighton Buzzard Road, and when we were on this road, I remember just driving as normal, and also we saw this giant triangle in the sky, and it had like a red circle, and we just thought, what the hell is that?
	And we both looked at each other and thought, whoa, that's amazing, look at that!
	We both looked at it, you know, it was like, me and Chris were both looking at it, because we were coming back, and it was, at the time, you know, it was about I think the time was about 1 o'clock we were coming back.
	And we were like looking at it and we thought, wow, look at that, that's amazing.
	And then we just carried on driving and we got outside my mum and dad's house and I looked at my watch and it was 3 o'clock and I thought, sod, it's 3 o'clock.
	And we both said, you know, it's 3 o'clock in the morning.
	We thought, oh, we must have left late, you know, we must have left late than we thought.
	And it turned out we actually, two hours it took us to actually get home.
	So that's a mystery in itself.
	But you didn't remember anything that happened during that time?
	No.
	The only time I did remember things like that was when I had a regression done and this hypnosis was quite interested.
	And at the time he said, oh yeah, I'm really interested.
	I want to write a book and everything else X, Y, and Z. And he said, would you be happy to do a regression?
	Now at the time I thought, yeah, why not?
	You know, because the way I am, I'm quite laid back.
	And I thought, yeah, go on then, we'll have a go.
	So I remember doing this regression and he was trying to take me back and there was points where I could remember things.
	And when it came to remembering this craft, I kept getting really bad headaches.
	And he was trying to What did you see?
	What did you do this?
	Did you do this?
	And each time he did it, I was thinking, oh God, my head is just getting so bad.
	And the headache got so bad, and apparently it caused a problem with the computer that they were recording on, which was quite interesting.
	Right.
	Yeah, and they had a problem with the computer.
	Exactly.
	Well, I have had, you know, we have all kinds of interference of that sort.
	So do you also, have you seen Greys or seen other ETs and that sort of thing?
	Have they communicated with you?
	I had a situation where I was in bed and I remember that The wall behind me had come away and there were three beings behind me and they were grey and they were probing in my brain and they were working on my brain while I was just like this and I was thinking I can't move,
	I can't really say anything and it was like your thought process wasn't there but you're just lying there and they were working and they were just doing things and the odd thing was Why they were doing that, I remember, this is going to sound strange, there was a guy that popped into my head and he said to me, I'm a doctor, you must listen to me, you need to listen to me.
	And I couldn't understand what he was saying and he was getting really upset.
	And he said, what's your head?
	Something about your head.
	And I thought, well, I don't know what he's going on about.
	But he was obviously warning me about something the next day.
	I didn't know that.
	And he was, watch your head, watch your head.
	And I thought, oh, okay then.
	I have no idea what you're talking about, but never mind.
	And then I went to work and I was working away.
	I was in this lady's house and there was a problem with the heating system and there was a room stat that I was just putting in.
	I was putting this room stat in and I was fiddling about and this woman came around the corner and said, oh, would you like a cup of tea?
	She went, oh my God.
	And I said, what's the matter?
	She said, you've got a pair of pliers sticking out of your head.
	I said, sorry?
	And I had a pair of nose pliers that had gone into my head.
	It was about there.
	You can see the scar.
	And I didn't know.
	I had blood dripping down me.
	And I thought, oh, I don't know how that happened.
	I've got no idea what happened.
	But the funny thing was, the colour, all my colours had gone.
	So when I was trying to wire this thing up, I didn't know what blue was.
	I didn't know what red was.
	I didn't know what yellow and green was or brown.
	All the colours had gone.
	But I could still drive a car.
	I could still get in my van and drive, but all my colours are gone.
	And it was quite a strange one, that one.
	I don't understand.
	So, I mean, it sounds so graphic.
	Did you pull the pliers out of your head, or what happened?
	Yeah, yeah, I took the pliers out of my head, yeah, and I just carried on working.
	You're kidding.
	That's so bizarre.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, I'm always hurting myself at work anyway, but...
	It was one of those things where something happened but you got no idea of knowing how it happened.
	So you might have had missing time during your work?
	It's quite possible, yeah.
	I mean, I've had situations as well where I've worked in people's houses and I've gone blind.
	All of a sudden my eyesight just disappears.
	It goes all silvery and it will just go.
	And then I'll be just sort of sitting there and I think, oh God, I can't see.
	And then all of a sudden it comes back again.
	Yeah, you seem to be able to shift dimensions very easily.
	You know what I'm seeing?
	Yeah.
	So, you know, that's great.
	I mean, you know, you're quite an adept in that.
	Have you ever been bothered by the government?
	Well, that's a bit of a weird one, because I've had some weird situations where I know that my kids were, this is going to sound weird again as well, there was a situation where my daughter was babysitting,
	I was asleep, my wife was asleep, Sam woke up, was my youngest, and he was shouting and screaming, and there was a, it was almost like a bubble, you know like a bubble of colour, and you see the colour in the bubble, And Kirsty had gone into the room and seen this bubble stuck on Sam's leg.
	And she banged it and it just coloured it.
	Loads of colours just appeared everywhere and stuff.
	But we didn't wake up.
	I didn't wake up.
	My wife didn't wake up.
	But what was quite bizarre about all of this was when I saw my next door neighbour the next day, they said that there was a couple of men in a white van outside our house.
	Why they were out there at that particular time, it could be just coincidental, but I'm just saying how it was.
	It was what my next-door neighbour just said.
	We've had a few of those orbie things anyway, which we've seen.
	You can't seem to catch them on camera.
	When you see them, if you take a picture, they don't seem to come up on camera.
	Well, that's fascinating.
	So your daughter broke one, is kind of what you're saying.
	Yeah, it was like a bubble.
	It's really strange.
	She told you the story then?
	She told you the story.
	It was going on because we were asleep when it all happened.
	She told us in the morning that she said she couldn't wake us up.
	She was banging on the door and we wouldn't come because the door was shut.
	And Sam was going mad because he had this thing stuck on his leg.
	And Kirsty went in and saw this round, like a, it was like a bubble.
	You know when you blow like a very liquid bubble?
	And you get all the colours around it.
	It was like that.
	Incredible.
	Yeah, and it's been a few times I've seen, I remember once when my wife, she was in bed and she was murmuring And I was thinking, was she murmuring?
	And there was this bubbling thing, which was...
	I was watching it.
	It came through in the bedroom, and it went down, and then it went through, actually, the blankets, because we've got, like, a continental quilt.
	And then she started murmuring, and this thing was moving up and down, and I just banged it.
	And, of course, I banged it, thinking it would...
	Burst the bubble because that happened to Kirsty, which it did.
	It just disappeared.
	But Chris woke up and thought, what the hell are you doing?
	I was in a deep sleep and you just woke me up.
	But I said, well, sorry, there was something on your leg, you know.
	And there's been a lot of times where I see little things like that.
	Right.
	Quite strange.
	Absolutely.
	Well, okay, what about what they call elementals?
	Do you deal with elementals and are you seeing them or very aware of them?
	Yeah.
	We had a situation when we were at Fort.
	We went to an old fort.
	I wish I should have named the places.
	I can't.
	Elmhurst.
	We were at Fort Elmhurst.
	And we were doing a visual over there.
	And it was one that you paid for.
	And it's where you pay, I think it's like 40 or 50 quid.
	And you've got a meal thrown in as well.
	And...
	We went there, and me and my wife were sitting on this chair, and we were trying to move a scribe of energy, and we were moving this energy.
	And while we were moving this energy, our chairs started to vibrate, and then we were getting growling.
	We were getting a growling sensation.
	And while we were getting this growling, the chairs were being pulled while we were sitting on them, and all we were trying to do was move this scrolling thing.
	And so we got a lot more than we bargained for.
	And the medium came in and said, oh, he says, there is an energy in this room, but it's not of spirit and it's not of humor.
	And he put it down to being an elemental.
	Because in Helmhurst, where this fought, apparently there was experimentations that went on over in that area in the 70s and 60s, and they tried to see if they could produce...
	um energies like that and they reckon that's that's how they made that particular thing and elemental yeah so yeah that's very strange i kind of mean more like uh fairy what they call fairies or the fey it depends how you look at it fairies aren't the way they they tell you or portray you to be the problem is with fairies is um they're not nice beings for a start and they and most nine times out of ten is if if you these fairies which are really We're
	your legs and you can find that that with fairies it's it's almost like the spelling is f-e-a-r-i-e-s as opposed to fairy which you see is f-a-i-r-y so it's completely different but fairy is quite a dark and a sinister energy is it you know um and there's it's not just me that's come across fairies also um at angelica's uh where um there's like crystal healings that go on there but
	There's people that have reported actually being scratched by these things.
	And Neville, which is my spiritual teacher, he'd come across them as well.
	And he said, yeah, yeah, you've got to be careful with them because you think a fairy, but they're not.
	They're quite malicious.
	Okay, well, I have a friend, I'm not going to say their name, who deals a lot with elementals.
	They call them elementals.
	And these are, they sound more like fairies in a certain sense.
	In other words, they're not negative, though.
	They're actually helping.
	Oh, what?
	They call them elementals, but some people do call them fairies.
	And they do look humanoid, I think.
	But they are miniature.
	And I think maybe they have wings.
	I don't know if they fly around or whatever.
	But they leave food for them and things like that.
	Oh, wow.
	That sounds interesting.
	Yeah.
	I've seen a few things, really.
	I remember seeing a blue bean once.
	And that was one of those where you were almost drawn in by their eyes, and you just didn't want to, you felt like you were just being drawn in by them.
	Well, what kind of, when you say being, what kind of shape was it?
	It was humanoid.
	Oh, okay.
	And it had like gold.
	It had like gold.
	Jewelry on him as well.
	That was quite interesting.
	Do you travel to other countries?
	Because I've had quite a few experiences with travel and meeting beings in various places.
	Do you go outside of England as well?
	No.
	No, I haven't.
	I haven't been down that road yet.
	You never know.
	It might come.
	But I know my daughter has.
	Yeah, my daughter's been...
	But I can't really go into details on that because I have to be very careful.
	That's okay.
	Well, you have a lot of castles in England.
	So have you gone to castles?
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'll pick up on loads of things in castles.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Anything you want to share with us about any particular castle?
	Yeah.
	There was loads of castles.
	Most of them...
	There was a castle when I was there with my mum.
	I can't remember what the name of the castle was but we were on holiday and there was like a display and it's all you know when you've got like a chain and it's all locked up and it's like supposed to be like a prison you know and they've made it look like a prison and everything else and I remember me and my mum were walking past and as we did the whole jail just shaped it just went and the whole thing shaped all the chains moving around and And my mum just said, oh, did you see that?
	I said, oh, yeah, yeah.
	And my mum was quite sensitive as well.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, very interesting.
	Well, I know I've kept you for a while, and I know it's a lot later in England than it is here.
	That's all right.
	It's been nice to talk to you.
	Yeah, it's been great talking to you.
	I think, you know, it's really fascinating, and I think, you know, you're a very good soul, and it's lovely to have a guy like you out there doing this kind of work.
	So, what I'd like to do is, we have a chat room along with the show, so could we open it up and ask if there's any questions at all?
	I don't know if there will be, but would you mind a couple questions from the chat before we close down and let you go?
	Okay, so anyone in the chat, you want to put a question into all caps?
	Because that will help me distinguish it from the rest of the dialogue there because I see a lot of dialogue going back and forth.
	But if there's anyone with any particular question...
	And by the way, just while we're on the subject, do you do what are called readings?
	Do you ever do readings for people?
	Because you seem like you're quite astute.
	Yeah, I have done readings, but I've done it almost without knowing sometimes.
	Where I'd been in a customer's house, and I didn't know that her husband's passed.
	And all of them, I'd be sort of like, oh, by the way, do you know someone called Eric?
	And this woman would say, oh, no, that's...
	And I'd say, yeah, Eric says something about so-and-so, and she'd nearly fall off her chair.
	Oh, right.
	And, you know, you almost feel like, You didn't really want to say it because you make them cry and you make them feel like they're being just there.
	But they're not.
	They're actually grateful for what you've said because it almost gives them closure in what they needed to know as well.
	Sure.
	That's true.
	You know, that is absolutely true.
	Somebody is asking about something I've never heard of which is called, they're saying grumpkins.
	Does that make any sense?
	Grumpkins.
	I don't know.
	Maybe the spelling is wrong.
	Yeah, it might be all text.
	I've got no idea what they're talking about.
	Sorry.
	No, that's all right.
	I've never heard of that one before.
	All right.
	Someone wants to know, is that a GTX 1080 in the background?
	Yeah.
	Someone's into mining, I take it.
	Yeah.
	Yes, it is.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So, all right.
	So somebody wants to know, and this will be the last question, what you think happens after death and let's see, and to our spirit and consciousness.
	That's a really good question, actually.
	I got told off by my father-in-law for this one because he said to me that I'm taking away someone's belief factor.
	And I said, well, what do you mean?
	He said, well, he said, if you go to church, he says, you're brought up that there's the God, and there's the devil, and there's good and evil, and then when you die, you go to heaven.
	And I thought, well, yeah.
	And I said, well, I don't feel that way.
	I feel that there's a higher energy, whether it could be a call to God or whatever, there's definitely a higher energy.
	It could be in a form of an ET.
	It could be in a form of just another angelic light.
	You know, it could be anything to do with that.
	But I do believe that, I don't believe that when you die, that's it.
	I don't believe that.
	But I do believe that when you die, your energy or your conscience perhaps has this ability of moving on and perhaps helping out the rest of your family or that you're moving to We need you to learn things here before we can move on.
	That's what I believe.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	So, it's been lovely to talk with you and thank you for coming on the show and taking your time.
	I think, you know, you're quite a fascinating guy and I think people will really enjoy seeing this show.
	So, maybe we can do this again sometime if you like.
	Scraped.
	We haven't actually scraped.
	I have got so much that I can talk about.
	Excellent.
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	So I try to keep my shows under two hours because people don't have the much patience.
	It's really been two hours.
	It's incredible.
	Yeah, to sit through more than two hours.
	I don't know if it's been exactly two hours or not, actually.
	But it's about an hour and 45 minutes at this point, maybe, or so.
	But at any rate, is there anything that you would like to say while you're still on the show?
	And like I said, you're more than welcome to come back.
	And I'd love to delve into various subjects.
	You can make a whole list of subjects you want to talk to me about and to the audience.
	And we'll bring you back.
	I'm sure, you know, that people would love to have you.
	So, but in the meanwhile, while we're still on the show here, is there anything that you want to say to the audience that is listening and that will be listening to this video, which, of course, will go on my main video site later on today?
	Yeah, sure.
	Well, one of the things that I would say is that I think there's things that do go on in the background.
	Don't be scared of it.
	Sometimes it could be trying to get a message across, it could be something that's trying to move you forward, that you need to gain something in life to move to another level.
	And, you know, obviously if you do have any issues or problems, I mean there are groups, it's not just me or my brother, there are other groups out there as well.
	Google is very good, very helpful.
	Spiritists are very good for helping people, spiritual churches.
	And also, if you go to a crystal shop, a lot of people in there are geared up to help.
	If you are in a situation where you are desperate and you don't know what to do, then you could smudge your house.
	One of the things to do with smudging a house is basically you light sage and you just go around and you make sure you do all the corners of the house and you work all the way around it.
	And funny enough, how that works is by where the smoke is released.
	It releases elementals, and the elementals clear the actual negative energy inside the house or where you're smudging.
	And that works really well.
	And you normally find that the whole room will just lift.
	All of a sudden, you almost feel like you're going to a room and it feels very cloudy and almost foggy.
	And then all of a sudden, it looks really clear.
	Your vision looks more clearer when you look around the room.
	And that's when you know that you've cleared it.
	But it won't have any problems if you've got anyone around you, any loved ones.
	It won't cause any problems with that.
	Because most negative things work on a low, dense vibration.
	And the higher vibration are the people that you love and cherish around you, which you may have lost.
	Or it can be your guides and inspirers, which can be around you as well.
	Lovely.
	Okay, in terms of your own guides, do you feel that you've been in good contact with guides in your own life?
	Go ahead.
	I've had a few of my guides screaming at me sometimes where I've had certain situations and they don't let her in and things like that, which is another story, another story for another time.
	Yeah, but my guides, you should listen to them.
	It's the same as when you get in a car and sometimes you go and pull out and there's something that almost stops you and you think, oh no, don't pull out yet.
	And then all of a sudden a car goes past and you think, whoa, if I pulled out then I could have ended up with a really bad accident.
	Listen to you guys.
	Listen to your inner tuition.
	Women have got that.
	They've got more of a women's intuition because of their maternal link, if you like.
	But men have got it as well.
	But it's harder to bring it out because almost it's like your ego that stops you from doing that.
	Yeah, that's what I've learned.
	You've got to take your ego away and just what will be will be.
	That's how I allow myself to be now.
	Lovely.
	Very good to hear.
	Okay, well, Darren, it's been, as I say, wonderful to have you here on the show, and thank you for sharing.
	I'd love to hear more, so anytime you're ready to come back on, even next week, whenever you like, okay?
	You just let me know when you feel up to it, and you'd like to do it again, okay?
	That's great.
	Thank you very much.
	All right.
	Take care.
	Thank you.
	Bye now.
	Okay.
	Bye-bye.
	So that is our show this evening or afternoon, depending on where you are.
	And so it's been fun to listen to him.
	He seems like he has absolutely endless stories, and every single one of them is fascinating.
	So that's actually a really great thing.
	And so anyway, thanks for listening and watching.
	And I'm working hard on getting my Mark Richards interview out there.
	We've had some interference, some...
	Some interference from either the government or some ETs that don't want the information out there.
	I did a whole recording and they interrupted the whole thing all the way through with putting in these glitches so where there's nothing Physically, that can account for anything on my computer or anything like that.
	It's not online or anything.
	It's an offline process that I'm doing, which is fascinating.
	I've seen this in the past on Camelot interviews.
	It does seem to happen.
	It does seem to be related to ETs interfering or the government sending a light pulse that then breaks the video and also we're having trouble with In fact, even right now, we're having trouble with this sinking issue.
	So it's very strange.
	And so I do have my partner working on this sound and the sinking issue that we're having here on some of the shows.
	But today's sound was good, I believe, so that was great for this show.
	Anyway, stay tuned and please do support our work.
	Thanks very much and have a good day.
	Take care.

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