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Sept. 18, 2019 - Project Camelot

01:59:53

JOHN CARMAN: SECRET SERVICE AGENT

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	Thank you.
	Right, I got you.
	Okay, I think people can understand you.
	I'm going to check with my audio engineer in the back here and see if he can monitor the sound and make sure that you're loud enough.
	But let's just go forward from here.
	So what I want to do real quick is look at your bio and share that with the audience.
	So we have you here on...
	And it's really appropriate that you're here when Trump is coming to town.
	I think he's in L.A. today.
	I know he's going to Northern California as well, so I don't know where he is which day.
	He's in L.A. right now.
	He's in L.A. right now.
	Is he?
	Okay.
	So you are a former Secret Service agent and a U.S. Customs Service legacy agency agent, and I know you're a whistleblower now.
	You've been reporting corruption in high-ranking custom officials in, it looks like, SES, GS15 and above for years and openly since 1995 it says and that nothing has been done to investigate the things you found evidence of and has to do with the district direct of Long Beach,
	someone named John Heinrich who took over $250,000 to allow 167 Illegal aliens to come into the U.S. without customs or immigration inspection, without passports in violation of Bribery 18 U.S.C. 201, etc.
	And we've got links on my website for people that want to delve into more detail on these issues.
	And I'm just going to jump ahead here.
	It says...
	It looks like you were with also the San Diego Police Department, Mint Police, Treasury, U.S. Customs, EOD San Diego, MAST. Some of this is not quite clear to me.
	U.S. Immigration Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and so on.
	And maybe you can explain the rest of that.
	So...
	I know you've been a whistleblower for a long time, and you've also been in the field many, many years ago.
	And maybe you can share with me all the different presidents you were serving during that time.
	Well, Nixon had just left in August of 74, so I came on September 3rd, 74, which I just celebrated my 40-something-plus anniversary here just in the last several weeks, about 13...
	Something days ago.
	So that was Ford.
	Ford was in office at that time.
	And I was assigned to Foreign Missions Division after 19 weeks of training in Washington, D.C. Jimmy Carter switched the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, FLETC as we call it, down to Georgia at that time to an ex-military base, which is actually a CIA base down there in Glynn County, Georgia.
	Runs with it.
	So after the 19-week academy, then you have to go to a Specialized Secret Service Academy, which is another six to eight weeks, and that's where it gets really intensive with all the other specialized equipment and guns every day, that sort of thing, and specialized training.
	And on the very first hour, they ask you immediately if you'd be willing to take a bullet for the President or the First Family Or one of the protectees, and you have to acknowledge that.
	Because if you don't, they ask you to have a nice day, nice to talk to you, and you can leave without any basic repercussions or whatever.
	Which I would find being kind of ludicrous after being through all that training.
	People have to know.
	It's a severely dedicated type of a position that you're putting yourself into.
	And I've had a lot of history because I come from a military family.
	So I've been training for this kind of...
	For this type of work all of my life.
	Other people did not have the same background that I did either, which was kind of interesting because I go, wait a minute, what did you do before you got in?
	Some of these guys barely got out of college.
	Some of them had military.
	Some of them had other basic jobs.
	Some of them were basically civilians that didn't fit the profile for law enforcement.
	Profiling is going to be a recurring subject matter we should be talking about because that's what I did for a living.
	In the other agency as well, U.S. Customs, after processing over 3 million people in 15 years at that agency alone.
	But anyway, after I worked counter-terrorism, protecting the embassies in Washington, D.C., part of the duties is you're protecting the president, the first family, heads of state, very high-ranking people at the White House or others in the area, and ambassadors And so forth.
	And any other person the president so directs.
	That's a special sentence that's actually in the laws.
	So, let's say President Trump likes you and you've been getting threats, he could assign Secret Service to your detail.
	Just like that.
	Doesn't matter.
	Anybody?
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	I'm not sure if we're still online, so I guess it's okay.
	Yeah, my dog just ran over this operation here, so sorry about that.
	Anyway, never a dull moment.
	I'm not sure what's going on here.
	Anyway, so you were recruited into the Secret Service, and this was, again, with presidents.
	You go back as far as Clinton?
	No, Trump.
	Farther than Trump, all the way back to Ford.
	Ford was the vice president to Nixon.
	So I don't know how far back you can remember, but...
	You know, I mean, I traveled every three years with my dad.
	I was assigned to military bases.
	I lived in Japan.
	I lived in Texas.
	I lived in San Diego.
	Graduated in high school after I lived off a military base at Naval Weapons Center, China Lake, up in the desert, where they had the recent activity up there, the earthquakes and so forth.
	But I had a specialized background.
	And living on a special military base like that, or at Tsugi, Japan, was a secret military base.
	With lots of special background and information, reconnaissance, planes, and so forth.
	So there's a lot of interesting background that a lot of other people could not even fit into.
	They wouldn't understand or they wouldn't get the connection.
	So I have like a semi-military background raised in a family.
	And then I went straight into Secret Service out of college.
	So I had three years of college, two degrees.
	That's a lot of, that's a caseload right there, you know.
	And they came out, did the interviews, and they recruited all over the country.
	At that time, I think they only recruited maybe three guys out of San Diego alone.
	And it took them ten months to do the background check.
	So it's quite extensive.
	I mean, they go back to where you were born and before that.
	Which is even more interesting, because a lot of people stayed in the same place most of their lives sometimes.
	But...
	Yeah, I competed against other guys.
	One in 1,500 qualified applicants got the position that I got.
	So that means 1,500 other guys, 1,500 other people did not get that position basically.
	That's a lot of people.
	And those include people who are also agents in another part of the agency or the government who may have a special background but they couldn't qualify for another reason.
	That's something else to think about.
	Even Secret Service agents in another area couldn't get presidential details protecting the president because they're working counterfeiting or something.
	But we all have a specialized function.
	Kissinger was there.
	You got Ford.
	You got Kissinger and all the people that worked under him.
	The First Family, Betty Ford, Jack Ford, Steve Ford.
	I protected all of them.
	We mostly worked around the White House.
	I was on the outside at that time, and then was looking for people like Carlos the Jackal, and they've had explosives that went off at maybe the Russian Embassy, for instance, which was three blocks away from our then special secret location, several blocks away from the White House.
	They've since moved it.
	In fact, they actually kept the John F. Kennedy limousine.
	In the garage, and we got to see that, which was extra special, because I was 10 years old when that happened in 63.
	But that's a lot of special history there.
	So we handled all of the patrols, the nighttime patrols, 24-7, you name it.
	Russian embassy, British embassy, Egyptian embassy, Israeli, Venezuelan, Mexican, you name it.
	Any country that had an embassy that had recognition To the United States and vice versa, we had protection as well as they're supposed to protect us when we have our ambassadors in their country.
	So, in light of the fact that Trump's in town, do you think he's in danger right now?
	Well, I was kind of worried because California has a lot of problems in the fact that the left-wing Democrat Socialist Communists, however you want to phrase these people, are Would not waste any extreme...
	And they've been doing it ever since he got elected.
	They haven't stopped.
	They haven't let down.
	You know, you've got people paying serious money to these people just to go out and protest.
	And they've found out and they've had undercover information on this to that effect.
	He's always at risk.
	He's already had death threats before.
	They won't go into detail and they won't expose that because it's secret.
	And they don't want to expose certain information because it would hamper their function.
	Um...
	Their primary purpose.
	And by exposing certain information, which I won't do, I mean, I'll paraphrase up to a point, but if I heard a specific type of a deal, unless it was put out in the media, I won't go into detail about it because it just encourages some of these left-wing or nutjobs, crazy people to do stuff.
	Which kind of reminds me of that story.
	I don't want to go off subject a little bit, but it reminds me of that story.
	We talked about the The Hinckley case earlier today, didn't we?
	Very briefly, yes.
	Yeah, people need to understand this.
	This is a special disclosure.
	And when I'm a whistleblower, I make protected disclosures.
	And I don't talk about it very much because my stuff is mostly protected disclosures exposing corruption in the United States Customs Service, which it still hasn't been investigated to this date.
	But I was on patrol outside the White House in 76, and it was right before Carter came into office.
	And there was a young man standing outside the White House gate.
	We have people like that on occasion.
	We have one old crazy lady.
	We used to call her Crazy Mary.
	She'd come by in her shopping cart and sit there.
	And I'm thinking, hey, why don't you guys check this woman?
	You know, she could be carrying a bomb.
	She could be carrying electronics from whatever agency or whatever foreign country.
	And they would on occasion.
	But sometimes these people would show up and they were being used.
	But anyway, this guy came up, young man, about 20 years old, and I'm dating myself because I was 21, 22.
	And, you know, brownish straight hair, about 5'9", 5'10", clean shaven, glasses, I think.
	And I'm going, hey, so what are you doing out here so late?
	I engaged him in conversation because that's the way I am.
	I want to find out what's going on, but I'm doing it in a friendly manner.
	And he responded, you know, something about he wanted to see the president.
	I said, yeah, what do you want to talk to him about?
	You know?
	And then he started going off about microwaves in his head.
	And this is prior to MKUltra terms, if you think about it.
	I don't recall having MKUltra mentioned to me back then.
	And I had the training.
	I had to have special training.
	Psychological training for people and so forth.
	Then he was talking about sexually related terms, which I don't need to repeat.
	And then he goes into this thing about Jodie Foster.
	I go, well, there's a profile for that movie Taxi Driver or something.
	I go, maybe he saw the movie.
	So what I did was I went ahead and encouraged him to tell me more.
	And I gave him the indicators that, you know, let me try and get an agent to talk to you.
	I didn't promise him anything.
	I just said, well, let me get somebody to come out and talk to you.
	Got the duty agent to come down, told him what I said.
	And he says, oh, yeah, I want to talk to this guy.
	As soon as I mentioned Jodie Foster's.
	Because apparently there was an extensive communication with this guy, communicating with Jodie Foster, or he was fixated on her for some reason.
	And I'm going, my God, I just saw her in a movie.
	She looked like a 15-year-old girl in this movie with Robert De Niro.
	But anyway, the agent took him inside.
	They did their routine.
	I had to go about my counter-terrorist thing looking for Carlos the Jackal, who was now in prison in Paris, France at this time, Ilyich Ramirez Sanchez, who was supposedly involved in the Munich massacre and a bunch of other attempts to go after OPEC ministers, which is a big deal.
	He extorted millions of dollars in doing so.
	The United States and other countries weren't prepared for that type of activity back then.
	So, anyway, the story goes, Real quick, is that five years later, I went to another agency.
	I think I was with San Diego PD at the time.
	And they put something on the airwaves or the TV set about the assassination attempt on Reagan.
	I'm going, oh my God, you know, he was coming out of the Hilton.
	And I've been to that very same location because we have embassies across the street all over that area near Embassy Row.
	And then they start flashing pictures of Hinckley up there.
	And I go, my God, that's the guy I interviewed.
	That was John Warnock Hinckley that I interviewed.
	Well, nobody's talking about it.
	And when Hinckley allegedly shot off all of his rounds to a gun that he had or that they retrieved from him, Reagan didn't get shot until right after that, and Reagan got hit with a flechette disc, which is a CIA-related weapon.
	I'm sorry?
	Hi.
	I guess we're having a little trouble with your sound.
	Can you put your mic down and is it connected with your computer there?
	Of course it is, yes.
	Okay, I think you don't need the, because your hand is kind of muffling the mic a bit.
	So if you can...
	If I drop it, it'll be like this.
	I don't know what it sounds like.
	Yeah, that's much better.
	Okay, thank you.
	Sorry to interrupt you there.
	So, okay, so you basically were the first person to spot Hinckley.
	And of course later that became big news.
	In terms of the attempts on Trump, do you have any idea, I don't know if you have a grapevine behind the scenes, in being a Secret Service or ex-Secret Service guy, but have you heard how many attempts there have been on Trump's life?
	I couldn't give you an exact number.
	I'm being honest with you.
	I wouldn't be able to release certain information.
	All right.
	I think there's been an extraordinary amount of attempts, but if I was to guess, I'd say more than 30 to 50, just to be an average idea, just to give people an idea.
	And is that average for a president, or is that unusual?
	Well, Obama had quite a few, and he had protection immediately because he was getting threats.
	But you can get emails, you can get letters, you can get communications of some sort, Up to the point of actually having people do stupid things which they've actually filmed in today's exposure with the media and so forth where people are just disruptive and they just want to go after this guy and they're acting a typically crazy type person.
	But they've handled it very well most of the time.
	I mean I have a different background and training than a lot of these other guys.
	I think that in some cases I would probably handle the suspects a little bit differently or a little rougher.
	To get them down, cuffed up, escorted out, and the police and all these other people would quickly get these guys secluded.
	But they're supposed to screen these people when they come to these public functions, and that's where they're at risk.
	When Ford was in office, he was threatened many times, but he had actual...
	Threats like Squeaky Lynette Fromm who pulled a 45.
	I think it was in Fresno.
	I was not on that detail at the time.
	And all she had to do was advance one chambered round and something could have happened.
	She didn't do it.
	She was connected to the Manson family at that time and still is.
	She's in prison.
	Mary Jane Moore, that was another one.
	Those are two specific ones that I'm remembering.
	Nixon had hundreds of threats, but that's why they had protests, people in the streets, that sort of thing.
	You can go into all kinds of details, but it just depends on where you want to speculate, how much time you want to spend on it.
	Because if I start to reveal certain information, I don't want to give out certain types of technical, logistical information, which would give people ideas.
	That's what I'm trying to prevent.
	Of course.
	No problem.
	I don't have a problem with that at all.
	So what I'd like to talk to you about is really your understanding of various historical events, because I think you have a very unique position from which to view that kind of thing.
	So let's just go down kind of a list, if that's okay with you.
	Sure.
	All right.
	So let's start with Epstein, since that's kind of a hot topic out there.
	And can you tell me...
	That's a weird jump.
	That's a weird jump.
	I thought you were going to go back to the Lincoln assassination or talk about the Secret Service.
	But no, that's still a valid subject.
	I mean, I've been on top of it.
	I've been interviewed before about him.
	And there's still these things up in the air.
	I think we may have had a little discussion about it earlier today because so far they have not released the autopsy if he was actually murdered or committed suicide.
	A friend of mine, Cyril Wecht, who's a very well-known, renowned forensic pathologist.
	He's out of Pennsylvania.
	He did an interview, and I watched it carefully.
	He was very careful about what he said.
	He pretty much confirmed the same information I did on the photos I was given to look at, which showed that, yeah, it looks like there was trauma to the left side of the face.
	It was bruised.
	The ear didn't look right.
	That's another thing.
	The eyes, ears, nose, lips of a person.
	And I could look at you and basically your left or right ear generally will match.
	Unless, of course, you have a genetic defect of some sort between the parents or the biological DNA. But there was something wrong with the structure of his left ear, which means he either got it damaged or somebody pummeled him or some other type of deal because it did not match clearly.
	Or maybe he had a lot of blood or something that was in that area and swelling.
	That doesn't happen when people strap something around their neck and they just lean into it and pass out.
	And then after that, they asphyxiate.
	Robin Williams brings to memory that type of a situation.
	No damage.
	But if that's what happened, I believe he's dead.
	But other people suspect, and I've heard other people talk and try to put the theory that he may be alive...
	He was connected to the intelligence community.
	He was getting information like what they did back in the Cold War and collecting information and putting some very serious people into political situations that would do very serious damage on him in a way that they could extort power or money from them.
	Okay, so your take on it is you think it was actually his body, though.
	Isn't that what you said?
	Oh, yeah.
	I can look at the guy's face and tell that's him, but I had other people try to double-analyze something that they have no background in, and they can't tell the difference.
	I mean, if you looked at Marilyn Monroe's photographs after she was dead, she looks a little different, you know.
	People look a little different when they're dead.
	You know, the muscle textures, the tones, all that stuff is different.
	But it was still the same person.
	I look at the ears.
	I look at the nose, the lips, the eyes, and the structure of the face, and so forth.
	But they get hung up on it because they haven't processed millions of people like I have.
	They haven't seen dead bodies like I have.
	So I have a background in law enforcement that gives me more experience.
	I wish I had some more experience like Cyril Weck, but he's way beyond.
	I mean, he's actually done autopsies.
	He's seen structures and he knows what happens to the human body and so forth.
	And as I remembered, Michael Baden, who's also a well-known forensic pathologist, viewed the actual autopsy, which was done by a third person.
	He was just there as a witness to make sure it was done right or maybe make suggestions or agree to certain information.
	But they still haven't released the reports, which is very highly unusual.
	So it reeks of a cover-up.
	The guards that were stationed at the MCC, which are under the Marshal Service, did not do their rounds every 30 minutes to check on a person who's suspected of being suicidal.
	If he was in seclusion, which was the single housing unit, SHU, which is solitary confinement, they have to check on those guys almost every 10-15 minutes, depending on what's going on.
	They didn't do that.
	They failed.
	They've got two guys that are suspect, plus the warden was removed.
	That's important information to know.
	And if it was me, I'd say, well, they should have known by now what's going on.
	They should have been interviewed by FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service and a few other people.
	Those people would be indicted for something, for criminal negligence, if not contributing to the homicide of this person.
	If not, Maybe it's a suicide, but we haven't been given the information to confirm it in an official way.
	So I see a cover-up.
	If they wanted to extract the guy and pull him out in the middle of the night, they could have done it.
	They could have taken him out, put him in the garage, put him in a vehicle, cuffed or not, and driven away and taken to the airport and flown out of the country.
	And they're not suspecting, they're suggesting that.
	Other sources are suggesting that.
	I mean, here's a guy who's Jewish, but he's got a Saudi Arabian passport, which doesn't match, if you know what I mean.
	Well, that's kind of interesting.
	You know, I have a curiosity about that, because I've heard that the Saudis are actually Jews behind the scenes, that their heritage is actually the same as the Jews, and that's like a big secret.
	Well, then you're going back to the religious training, which shows that they're all part of the same 12 tribes.
	Right.
	And if that's the case, then yeah, there's a left side and there's a right side.
	Right.
	However you want to look at it.
	All right.
	Well, you also, you know, we talked earlier, I don't know, you know, I know I'm going to jump around a lot here, but you've got so much knowledge, I think it's worth the time.
	You know, Vegas, the Vegas shooting and that...
	The Saudi involvement there.
	So you must be a great guy to analyze that footage, you know, the helicopters, the fact that that wasn't Paddock's body on the ground.
	Have you followed that story?
	I followed it up to a certain point because people basically that I was interviewed by couldn't get past the basics, which means there's gunfire and then two windows were smashed out With the amount of gunfire, it's not one person reloading.
	There's no reloading phase.
	I've fired automatic weapons before.
	There has to be a slight pause, less than a second or two or three, from switching magazines.
	Unless the guy had another loaded weapon, he could have just tossed that one, picked up another one, or had two at the same time, like Rambo or something.
	But it did match up.
	It did not match up.
	So that means there was a cover And photographs subsequent to that showed a guy's body on the ground with gloves on.
	Well, there's no fingerprints to attach to any of the weapons.
	But there were two doors, or excuse me, two parts of the suite that were two windows, smashed out windows at diagonal parts near the corner of the building on that floor of the hotel.
	So you've got two directions of fire.
	There's no way one person's going to be walking or running back and forth doing that.
	So I'm convinced there were three people there in the room, minimum, two shooting.
	They probably already shot the guy because he's going to be left as a lone male gunman theory, which is what they tend to do when it's CIA or something.
	They do it all the time.
	Those guys got out.
	Private security guys tried to gain entrance to the suite shortly right after that.
	And then there was another whistleblower that came out with a film allegedly analyzing flashes of light coming from helicopters in the area less than a mile away.
	Half a mile.
	Something like that.
	That's close enough.
	And yet there were also reports of people on the ground that were shooting.
	And that was a semi-Trump-looking function.
	That people were out there celebrating.
	300 people were killed.
	That's a lot of people.
	And yet the feds moved in and told the sheriff to stand down.
	The sheriff was practically in tears about it.
	You know, that's his county.
	That's his area.
	That's his investigation.
	But they stepped in and said, hey, we can't talk about it.
	It's a secret.
	And that's it.
	And that's what they did.
	They covered it up.
	Right.
	Well, I heard the sheriff, actually, he couldn't handle the questions.
	They did all kinds of releases of information.
	I don't know.
	Have you ever followed the work of the White Hats, a guy named Paladin at all?
	Unless he's law enforcement, I wouldn't know him.
	No.
	Well, I think he's associated.
	He's a private investigator.
	Right.
	No, I was a private investigator, but unless he's got a law enforcement background or something similar to my background, I'm not familiar with him.
	Right.
	Well, anyway, it'd be great for you guys to maybe compare notes.
	I don't know.
	Oh, well, yeah.
	Did you ever know anything about sort of the connection that Steve Wynn and MGM UA, you know, those kinds of connections?
	Do you know anything about the corporations behind the scenes?
	As far as Las Vegas?
	Yeah.
	Well, I've been to Las Vegas.
	I was flown out there for interviews.
	There's a lot of money being put into that town, and a lot of it's coming from Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia.
	And there's a skirmish between Ben Salman, Mohammed Ben Salman, who I think we briefly talked about before, and the other guy.
	I can't remember his name very much because I'm not using it routinely.
	And he would be the type of guy that would go out there to attack certain people, cause a problem, and then these guys could be like, I don't even want to revert to saying Mossad because there's no way you could compare it to Mossad, but having special military-related type agents with civilian aircraft, helicopters that were earmarked, that looks like it's from the Saudis, To go out there and just shoot up a bunch of Americans and then fly away and act like, oh, nothing happened.
	They can't trace it.
	And make it look like something against Trump or some other group.
	Either way, it's a massive shooting, which is very bad.
	You don't have those kind of shootings, and they don't go around shooting people at those type of functions, especially in that city.
	It's not normal.
	It's very bad and negative publicity.
	It's obvious that they're using our territory and the United States to fight their little wars and skirmishes that may be going on in the Middle East.
	And it's causing us problems here.
	Okay.
	Now, in terms of immigration, because you have been a person who's been a customs agent, you must know a lot about the border and the reasons why Trump might want to have a different kind of border there.
	What are your thoughts on that?
	I am cross-trained immigration, which means my background is U.S. Customs Service, but I'm cross-trained immigration.
	I could not work the border or process passports and documents if I didn't pass the test.
	And I processed, I already estimated, over 3 million people in 15 years.
	That's a lot of people.
	People can't even imagine.
	I'm doing like maybe 100 people, 150 people in half an hour, something like that, if I'm doing it at a certain speed.
	If I stop to grab something or it looks suspicious or has a smuggler of some sort, then I'm going to stop and I'm going to take that in, which I had a high seizure rate and arrest rate on smugglers and narcotics and fugitives and weapons and so forth.
	But yeah, as far as the border fence, I hate it when they say the wall.
	That was a misnomer.
	They shouldn't have used the term wall.
	It's not a wall.
	It's a perfectly well-built fence.
	I was down there a couple of months ago.
	I examined it myself and it's very well made.
	It's got slats in it so it's angled so if you were to drive by at an angle you could see through it and see who's on the other side and then that's good for us.
	You don't want a wall that's got a plain wall like Berlin.
	That's stupid.
	I mean you can't see through it.
	You can't see what's on the other side.
	Then you have to have towers.
	The fence was also a project in the Late 80s, early 90s by Congressman Duncan Hunter Sr.
	And they did that, and I just saw another excuse just popped up again.
	I cannot believe I saw this.
	They're coming up with an excuse, like an EPA excuse.
	Oh, well, you know, the EPA, the cactus, the desert cactus or the desert tortoise or some animal is going to be affected by the fence if they put up the fence.
	I'm rolling my eyes.
	Really?
	They're so stupid.
	They think that people in the United States are stupid.
	We need the fence.
	They need to finish it, and they blocked it years ago.
	So now it's been restarted up again.
	So after all these years, I was there since 83.
	So that's 15 years.
	I left in 98.
	They've had areas where you could walk through or drive through in the desert, just east of San Diego by 100 miles.
	In some areas, the terrain is very rough.
	And I've spent time out there on my own, just evaluating it.
	The type of terrain and the heat during the day.
	It's not easy to get through.
	But they've got tunnels.
	People are being flown in by aircraft.
	Military.
	By submarine.
	You name it.
	And we've got military incursions from Mexico.
	We've got incursions by the cartel with automatic weapons.
	And yet we've got idiots in California and other states along the border who have no idea And they're talking about taking our guns away and stuff like that.
	They don't have any idea.
	We're at war right now, and they don't want to talk about it because it's a big cover-up.
	What about it?
	You mean make...
	There's no such thing.
	That's a misnomer.
	That's false information.
	If they did that, it would cause problems.
	Throw that one out.
	We have fences for a reason, and if they electrified it, if that's what you meant, then no, no, it's not going to happen.
	That sounds like a left-wing...
	yes the Phoenix program where they extrapolated people and took them out I don't see where the electronic fence thing came into effect.
	Got it.
	Well, I knew guys who were involved in that program.
	I guess I was muted.
	No, I was talking about the electronic fence in Vietnam along the Ho Chi Minh Trail, and we were just discussing that.
	So you weren't muted, I was, so they heard what you had to say there.
	All right, well, that's okay, so you're not saying they're not going to put that into the border, in your opinion.
	No, that's ludicrous.
	I mean, they've got sensors in the ground, they've got electronics, they've got cameras, they've got every possible electronics and surveillance equipment, including drones.
	Right, yeah.
	There's all kinds of stuff going on down there, and yet Congress has been fighting it.
	Pelosi and Schumer and these other idiots in Congress who think they know stuff about the border and they don't because they never worked the border will try to give the American public The misinformation that they can't even afford it.
	And I said, well, yeah, they can.
	They can take billions of dollars from Mr.
	Chapo Guzman, whose money we've seized because he was arrested and put in prison right now.
	And even $1 billion out of $250 billion would pay off enough to pay for the border, pay every American millions of dollars.
	We could all live in luxury or at least be very, very, very comfortable as if we lived in a Middle Eastern country like Dubai.
	What about the idea of Chinese going in through the tunnels?
	Have you ever gone into the tunnels under the border?
	I can tell you I've been in certain tunnels.
	I won't divulge that there's the type of tunnels you may be suggesting.
	Chinese have always been smuggled to the United States from China through Mexico, but it's a common occurrence because everybody's trying to go to San Francisco, you know, back in the day.
	I know a lot of people came through, they went to Mexicali, which is 116 miles east of San Diego, for instance, in the desert.
	And a lot of Chinese ended up residing there.
	So if you wanted to go get really good Chinese food, you could go to Mexicali and you can skip the Mexican food idea for a while and try Chinese.
	It's really good.
	I never heard that.
	Alright, that's funny.
	Yeah, I know a guy who married a Chinese Mexican girl.
	She's Hispanic, but she's Chinese mixed.
	And not obviously Chinese.
	But there are always these things where people say, oh, the Chinese are amassing.
	They're staging up in the area.
	There's United Nations vehicles.
	That's all ludicrous.
	It's false information.
	They're not trained observers.
	They never work the border.
	And they don't know the difference between a Oaxacan who's tanned and in the military in Mexico and a Chinese guy with short hair.
	They don't know the difference.
	They're very close at a distance, but they're not the same.
	Oh, all right.
	So you're saying that you never saw any Chinese troops down there when you were working the border, and how many years were you down there?
	No, 15 years minimum.
	Officially, that is.
	Officially?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, of the presidents that you had to defend, any particular president that you, I guess, admired more than the others?
	I liked Kennedy the best, but I was only ten years old.
	I prefer to use the word protect because defend is a different term.
	It has a different meaning, like I'm defending their policies.
	No, it's not like that.
	We protected them.
	We didn't defend them.
	Different, right?
	But no, I did my job.
	Ford was the next guy.
	Nixon showed up on occasion.
	Heads of state showed up.
	I had the detail where I personally protected Anwar Sadat, Menachem Begin, and Jimmy Carter.
	In a part of the White House which is not usually used for meetings, and that was when he was doing the peace talks.
	Normally they would be around the West Wing or the Oval Office or some other location, but I think Jimmy Carter knew that these areas were heavily monitored.
	There's electronics.
	The White House press corps is very close by.
	That's a problem.
	It just causes problems for these guys to have an actual time, a moment alone, sitting somewhere away from everybody else.
	And they were very nice.
	You know, I came in.
	Kind of waved, acknowledged him, turned around, faced the other way, and I protected from that distance, and nobody got through.
	So it worked out fine.
	Earlier we talked that you have a special interest in the whole UFO field, and you've had some interactions in that subject.
	Can you talk about some of that?
	Sure.
	I've had an interest since I was a kid, but I didn't make it like it was a known interest, because my interest was law enforcement, I was training to go into law enforcement, martial arts background, speak several languages, athlete, don't smoke, don't drink, that sort of thing.
	But I've always had an interest in that on the side, as most people should.
	They should always educate themselves and be aware of their surroundings.
	Besides, how many people do you know that you've talked to in the past?
	Have you talked to any other Secret Service guys?
	No, I don't think so, although it's not impossible.
	There could have been one other person, but I don't think I've ever interviewed one officially.
	Well, have you seen the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still, the 1951 original?
	I was just looking at that just the other night, and I was going, yeah, for some reason I'm looking at it, and there must be something in there I was missing.
	But do you know how many times guys who work on a midnight shift, and they're out there...
	Staring into the dark, whatever weather it is.
	Rain, sleet, snow, and I mean snow in the wintertime.
	But in the nice weather like right now, and you're standing out there, it's 1.30, 2 in the morning.
	The worst hours are like 3 to 4 o'clock.
	But you're just standing there going, okay, if it's going to happen now, do it now.
	It's just an idea.
	It's kind of like saying, hey, if you're going to land, do it now.
	I'm here.
	You want to be part of it.
	But The South Lawn is not big enough to handle that saucer that was in that movie, which landed at the ellipse in the movie, which was humongous.
	I mean, it was like 100 yards wide or something.
	I'd say over 50 yards wide.
	That's over 150 feet in diameter.
	The South Lawn is barely just fine enough to handle the Marine One that lands when they come to pick up the President.
	It'd be kind of tight.
	Okay, well, I interviewed a guy who was on Air Force One with Kennedy, and I'm trying to remember what his actual job was.
	At any rate, I don't think he was Secret Service, though.
	I think he had some other job.
	Oh, then that doesn't count.
	That doesn't count.
	Well, he was talking to Kennedy, and Kennedy basically acknowledged to him that ETs were real.
	So I know that you have been around.
	Have you actually seen certain craft?
	Have you been to Area 51, underground bases, that sort of thing?
	Well, I lived on China Lake for at least three years.
	Three years.
	And there was a UFO contact recently that I tried to follow up where there was a man that supposedly took pictures of this UFO. They're not the best UFOs because sometimes they look like something else.
	And he ditched the camera, then he went back after a couple days, recovered it.
	I tried to contact this guy, never heard back at all, which tells me something else.
	These guys are afraid because if they divulge that sort of thing to anybody...
	They're going to get contacted in a very unusual way.
	And they're going to go after him like maybe Phil Snyder where they went into his residence after he died and they took everything he had in 1996.
	But Dulce, New Mexico comes to mind because there was a thing that Phil Snyder was talking about where they had an alleged attack or a war going on underground.
	He claims 66 Secret Service agents got shot.
	I said, no way!
	I bought the book.
	I read it.
	I understand what he's saying.
	He had some really unusual ideas, which I don't agree with, which are crazy because he tried to make it look like one of the agents in the limousine for JFK turned around and shot him, which was impossible because there were too many witnesses and so forth.
	That's not what happened.
	But 66 Secret Service agents, and they get us mixed up with everybody else.
	They go, okay, Department of Defense, CIA, NSA, you name it, Naval Investigative Service, ONI, and all these other people, they're not Secret Service.
	There's a big difference.
	And the training and background and the specialized service that they have to be involved in would not be at risk.
	They wouldn't use that many.
	And there's no reason for it.
	And we handle Department of State We protect ambassadors from Venus or something.
	That's an actual disclosure.
	And if that's the case, why would we have 66 agents and then get involved in a little shootout?
	That's a waste of manpower that we need for the president.
	So it didn't sound right.
	But that's...
	All right.
	That's Snyder.
	So, I mean, that's his belief.
	But it doesn't mean he was wrong about having some sort of an incident, but it just...
	And when I look at these guys up close when they're doing these interviews, there's something wrong in their eyes.
	They are not convincing.
	Okay, when you're talking about these guys, what guys are you talking about?
	Oh, people making disclosures that there's doubts.
	I think we mentioned a guy named Randy Kramer, for instance.
	And I remember listening to a couple of his interviews.
	And it's a very interesting background.
	I believe you may have interviewed him.
	Yes, I absolutely did.
	And I wrote an article.
	I sent that article because he and I were both speaking at a conference recently, and he's talking about the idea that the military, he's still a Marine, and that the military wants to possibly launch an alien invasion type of false flag situation to push disclosure.
	And I was just wondering what you thought about that.
	Well, what I wanted to do before I get into that part was the part where he said that he had to be physically altered to breathe the air on Mars.
	And in other parts of the other interviews that I've seen and heard, he doesn't say that.
	He says something else.
	Which means now they've changed the story to the air on Mars is breathable and he didn't have to be altered.
	But if he had to be altered, he would have to be re-altered when he got brought back to the planet Earth.
	Right, right.
	So there's a problem with that theory.
	And if he was brought by aliens in another way and abducted, taken to a planet, which it wouldn't take him long to do, because of what I understand of transportation, they could be there in minutes.
	Okay?
	Seconds or minutes, whatever.
	They don't have to get into a rocket.
	Right.
	And that's why they have flying saucers.
	So you're talking about portal technology.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	I mean, we could go into all kinds of areas with that.
	But I find some of his story...
	Not credible.
	Even though I'm listening to it, and the information's interesting, but he's been given too many outs and ways to come back and say stuff, and then his memory's been erased, then how do you know if it's accurate?
	But he's already stated that his body was altered to breathe the air on Mars, which they've said there is air on Mars.
	So why do they need to have tanks and all these other things?
	So I'm throwing doubts out there, because that's what I do.
	I profile, and if he makes a statement about something, then he has to be able to back it up, And I've seen him on an interview, and I'm just like, I don't know, I just don't think it's that serious.
	He doesn't act like a Marine that I used to know Marines, and I've lived around Marines.
	I grew up with Marines.
	And it depends on what category of Marines that you're talking about and what kind of specialized operations.
	And I don't think he fits the profile for somebody that fits a special operation, and he would have been debriefed in a special way, and he wouldn't be out in the public right now.
	Well, apparently he's been sort of trained to actually go out and disclose on a certain level.
	He reports to a specific individual within the Marines, from what I understand.
	He does actually, I mean, I've met him in person a few times, and actually, to my way of thinking, he does conduct himself like a Marine, but I don't pretend to be a military expert, of course, on that.
	But I'm just telling you, I do believe his story.
	Now, I think he's probably told what to say and what not to say.
	So that means that he can't tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
	So that's a problem.
	But in terms of the alien invasion scenario, do you believe that the military would want to exercise something like that?
	And do you think it would help their situation?
	Because it looks like they're trying to avoid the blame issue of 70 years of secrecy.
	Whose situation?
	The military is trying to avoid the public, blaming them for not bringing forth the technology that could heal people.
	Yeah, I'm involved in disclosures of that sort as well, because they've got stuff just recently released about a chip that they can attach to your skin, and it automatically controls the body's need to heal.
	Short of doing stem cells, and back when Bush Jr.
	was president back in 2001 or thereabouts, he restricted stem cell research.
	Now, that's interesting because if you get a stem cell patch like this one guy did and he went to Brazil, he had a heart problem in his 60s, and they put a stem cell patch, whatever that may mean.
	I don't know if they injected it or if they opened him up and actually stapled something to him.
	I don't know.
	But he was out running like he was a 30-year-old.
	At least that's the description.
	But the way these people are doing these projects.
	Those ideas, by the way, Carrie, go way back to the 50s and the 40s.
	The common enemy thing that Reagan talked about.
	I mean, there was a famous movie with Robert Culp on Outer Limits.
	Do you remember that one?
	Robert Culp?
	Not quite.
	I was a little young then.
	Yeah, Mr.
	I Spy with Bill Cosby.
	They had a great series, I Spy.
	But prior to that, he was a great actor and did some cowboy shows.
	He was on some stuff.
	But he did a special Outer Limits thing where there were a bunch of scientists.
	And I can't think of the title of the movie, otherwise I would have said it.
	And basically, they got one guy to volunteer to have his body altered to make him look like an alien from another planet.
	They put him in a special rocket.
	They gave him a special weapon, which was a disintegrating laser gun of some sort, so that when he would come out and land openly somewhere with witnesses, they would make it look like an alien invasion.
	Exactly that.
	So they've been talking about this stuff for years, and I'm 66.
	It's called Project Blue Beam.
	You may know that name.
	Not on that movie, I don't think.
	Oh, no.
	Just in the community, you know, in the UFO community.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I've heard this before.
	But it's possible, but they don't need to do it because stuff like that actually exists.
	So if the military is trying to pull a military coup or they're trying to make themselves look like something else so they can escalate and do something else to take away our gun rights or to have total martial law and show all these other things, they're going to have problems with it because there's aliens among us right now.
	And I've got sources from military...
	A lady who's married to a U.S. Air Force...
	I heard you laugh.
	I heard that.
	A U.S. Air Force general, and she admitted this to me, and she was with a special production when I did a radio show up in...
	K-Don Radio up in Las Vegas years ago.
	And we became good friends later, and she started to tell me information.
	And her husband had since passed away, and she says...
	She wanted to tell me in confidence...
	This information.
	I said, well, go ahead.
	You know, I mean, shock me.
	Surprise me.
	And I'm thinking, it's on the same levels, the men in black thing, you know, with Smith and...
	Cool, yeah.
	Yeah, it's the same idea.
	But that stuff does exist, in my opinion, and for people to say that they believe NASA and all their infinite wisdom, they're not getting it.
	Oh, we can't go to Mercury, it's too hot.
	We can't go to Venus because of deadly gases.
	We can't go to Mars because there's no air.
	And so on and so forth.
	And Neptune's too cold and Pluto's too far away.
	All these excuses.
	Right.
	What a bunch of liars.
	They are lying to us because they're covering up all of the benefits that we're going to get.
	Because if we take over Mars, if we take over the moon, it's a military base.
	It's not a real moon.
	You know, there's all this information out there that people don't really look into and have a background to investigate and realize that if they're putting this out, then what's the benefit of lying?
	Because they have the technology.
	They're coming here to take sperm and ovum from donors, either children or young adults, and they're making hybrids.
	So we're under an invasion like a Trojan horse right now, and people don't get that either.
	So after about 50 to 100 years, the human population will be so far reduced, it's going to have a different breed of people out here that aren't even the same DNA. That's right.
	Now, do you have any kids?
	I may or may not.
	Why?
	Well, the reason I'm asking is because, no, really, because, you know, kids get abducted, and I don't know whether you personally were ever abducted, but some kids, you know, will have memories, you know, and if you had any kids.
	Oh, yeah, that's, yeah, I've investigated abductions, and I'm actually currently investigating a couple of them right now.
	Daryl Sims, I know him.
	We've talked in the past.
	He's a great guy.
	Yeah.
	We sort of talk about Secret Service stuff because he's got a Secret Service belt buckle and I made comment about it.
	I said, hey, you got one just like I do, but I got mine when I was there.
	He got it from a friend, so he's kind of proud of that.
	God bless him.
	But we used to talk about some stuff.
	And then there's another gentleman, I keep forgetting his name.
	He supposedly was met with these aliens, and I've listened at length to these people very carefully, no different than the Lacerda interview, and I'll take notes on an email to myself and back it up, re-listen to it again, take more notes, and send it to myself and keep it.
	So if you didn't have time to listen to an interview, I went through the trouble of actually taking my own notes about certain information.
	You know, like the resources.
	They're coming here to our planet because we're like a shopping cart.
	We're a plethora of raw resources like gold or copper, which is interesting.
	Copper!
	And they've got stuff that's made from different metals, but the other metals are not from this planet.
	They have to get them from other planets.
	So there's a mining resource from other planets that they need to use for their metallurgy or Their weapons or their different types of materials.
	And, I mean, we can get into the Valiant Thor guy who came right around 1951, which is interesting because that's the same year that those movies were coming out, which were really, really great movies for their time.
	They kept that guy as a guest over at the Pentagon allegedly for up to three years, which I find kind of hard to believe.
	And he actually went and met with...
	Eisenhower at the White House.
	I'm thinking, oh my God, there's got to be records of that.
	But if it's secret, they're going to cover it under national security, which means you won't be able to get a copy of it.
	Sure.
	Or it'll all be blacked out.
	Well, that proves a point right there.
	All right.
	But do you have like an old boys network where you guys talk about this sort of thing?
	Yes, but I don't.
	But I do, but I don't.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm not going to admit to it, And I do have people I talk to, but I'm not going to be able to divulge.
	Oh yeah, I know a guy from wherever and I talk to him from way back.
	Alright, well what about Bob Dean?
	Have you ever heard of Bob Dean?
	Which Bob Dean?
	Command Sergeant Major.
	He was an Army guy.
	He was at Shape Headquarters.
	I don't know.
	Oh, oh, oh!
	Robert O'Dean.
	He's a very famous disclosure witness, so to speak.
	You're talking about Robert O'Dean.
	That's right.
	Thank you.
	Yes, ma'am.
	So, yeah, I'm familiar with him.
	He just recently died, I believe, didn't he?
	That's right.
	Yes, he did.
	Yeah, I just happened to be looking him up.
	See how psychologically connected or Psychically, we're connected sometimes.
	Sometimes I'll get an image and go, God, I want to look him up for some reason.
	Yeah, Robert O'Dean, I used to listen to him hundreds of times on Art Bell.
	That's right.
	I was connected to Art Bell back in 1995 because I was on injury leave, so I had time to listen to the show.
	I actually had contact with...
	Colonel Philip J. Corso because of his book, The Day After Roswell.
	That's amazing.
	So did you talk to him off the record ever, Corso?
	Yes, yes.
	Yeah?
	I had access to databases as a private investigator to look up people and numbers and so forth, and I would just call them cold.
	And I did.
	I've talked to people like Jim Garrison before he died years ago.
	Oh, very good.
	Yeah, I mean, that's strange, isn't it?
	But you're releasing more information the more I keep digging into it, like a hypnotic session.
	Good stuff.
	Yeah, I got a book from him.
	I don't know if it was autographed or not, but we talked about some of the issues on there that was in the book, and he basically confirmed the same stuff that he's always done on the airwaves.
	Are you talking about Garrison now, or are you talking about Corso?
	No, no, no, Corso.
	Okay, now, so Corso is all about reverse engineering technology and the fact that it got into the commercial sector.
	Right.
	So, you basically go along with that, right?
	Of course.
	General Electric, fiber optics.
	I mean, this little light thing I've got on my laptop is a fiber optic light that's plugged in.
	Right.
	Perfect example.
	Did you ever see the movie Hangar 18?
	Yes, I did.
	Absolutely.
	That's a good example.
	I would look at that.
	I'm not a sci-fi buff, but if it's really good, I'll click into it.
	I'll connect to it, and I'll go, okay, this fits.
	That's Hollywood.
	You know how they do it in Hollywood.
	Let me see if you know Dark Skies, the 1960s series.
	It was not as well known as X-Files, but in some ways it was better.
	More disclosure.
	You ever heard of that?
	No, it doesn't sound familiar.
	What year was that?
	Because I was probably at work.
	Oh, I don't know.
	You know, I just know it was contemporary, around the same time as the X-Files.
	I didn't get a chance to watch all the X-Files because I was at work.
	Okay, well, you could actually rent, you know, you can rent the box set of Dark Skies.
	Anyway, it's a great series, excellent, highly recommended.
	Very good disclosure for back then.
	Yeah, I met the agent.
	What's his name?
	The one that's connected to the X-Files that was based on his alleged position at the FBI.
	Do you know who I'm talking about?
	No, not the guy.
	Yeah, he was in contact in the desert.
	I met him.
	I talked to him.
	We exchanged a few words.
	Between me and you, I'm not impressed with certain people, even though they worked at the FBI.
	And a lot of people get them confused and think, oh, yeah, FBI.
	Hey, I loved J. Edgar Hoover when I was a kid.
	And I still have the DVD with Jimmy Stewart, the FBI story.
	Right?
	It's in the 50s, of course.
	Right.
	But with all the other history and people want to try to make it look negative, and I said, no, you've got to look at the good stuff that he developed and look at what happened.
	That is today's federal agencies based on this guy's genius on how he put things together, like the fingerprint system based on his other system, which was the Dewey Decimal System out of the libraries and so on and so forth.
	But it's a really good story how they went after spies and bad guys.
	But there's a lot of cover-ups when you deal with J. Edgar Hoover's time because they claimed that none of the Nazis escaped or came in on U-boats, which are submarines, to do sabotage, and they did.
	When they had stuff about Lee Harvey Oswald, I knew a guy named Ted Gunderson, if you know him.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I knew him.
	Yeah, me and Ted were friends.
	We met in 95 when I was out and about, as I met other people.
	Terry Reid, associated with Barry Seal, people like that.
	And we became good friends.
	Okay, so did you know about Promise Software?
	Oh yeah, the Promise, Inslaw.
	Yeah, that whole thing.
	Michael Roconisciuto.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, he's still in jail, you know.
	They put him back in jail, you mean.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He got released and then they put him back in.
	Okay, sorry about this.
	One second.
	I hear it soon.
	Commercial?
	That should be happening.
	Sorry about that.
	So anyway, yeah, Michael Rikinoshito.
	When did he get out and when did he get put back in?
	Do you know?
	Off the top of my head, it was just a couple of years ago he got out and then he quickly got picked up again and put him back in.
	But it doesn't make sense because...
	I've still got contacts with Gunderson's family.
	And I talked to Ted less than 10 days before he died at a hospital or the hospice care.
	He had several heart attacks and they overdosed him on Profefol like they did with Michael Jackson.
	Yeah.
	He was in for a cancer thing, a bladder cancer surgery.
	I was supposed to interview him right before he died.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	And he was telling me some stuff about certain people because we talked about certain people all the time.
	And he used to ask me, and this is real personal, but he used to ask me, John, did you ever see them bring in kids in the White House after hours?
	I said, no, Ted.
	Why do you ask?
	I mean, obviously the question is kind of self-explanatory.
	I said, no.
	They'd have to smuggle somebody in, but for what purpose and where would they do whatever purpose if they were doing ceremonies or something?
	So, no, I didn't see it.
	But Ted and I were buddies.
	He called me his hero, God bless him.
	That was a big compliment.
	That's very cool.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, no, I mean, I think he knew a lot of the secrets.
	I think they did take him out at the very end there, you know, because of what he knew.
	Yeah, he had a, what do you call it, not the DNR, do not resuscitate.
	He did not have a do not resuscitate order.
	Ah.
	And he had three heart attacks on the table, from what I heard from family.
	Wow.
	Mm-hmm.
	Maybe even the fact that he could have gotten poisoned, but I haven't seen any autopsy stuff.
	So that's why I suggested they get Cyril Wecht in on it.
	But that's another sad interview right there.
	I mean, I love Ted.
	He was a good guy.
	I've had people from other parts of the FBI actually contact me.
	They tried to sway me away from Ted, but he was a good, kind-hearted person.
	I've interviewed with Ted.
	Not the way you guys are doing it.
	You're a little bit more professional.
	He did like an interview out in the field.
	Okay, go ahead.
	And I tell my story.
	And then we're going to break for commercial.
	And then, okay, go ahead.
	On with your story.
	I mean, it was really kind of funny, but you guys are much different.
	And I've done interviews with people like Mike Wallace.
	I forgot to mention that earlier today when we were getting to know each other a little bit.
	Three and a half hours with Mike Wallace back in 1995.
	That's still on tape somewhere.
	Well, I mean, back in the day, did you have to be more quiet and circumspect?
	Oh, of course.
	Of course.
	I mean, I'm doing this as a protection feature because I've already done all my jobs.
	In fact, somebody had an article out today about Ed Snowden being sued by the Justice Department because he was an NSA CIA contractor who released secret information about...
	The stuff that was going on in the system, illegal monitoring, let's just use that.
	Right.
	And I go, okay, if he went through the Whistleblower Protection Act, which is useless, and he went through the protection of the Patriot Act and all these other things that supposedly protect whistleblowers for doing their job, then they failed.
	Now, if he saw that there was no possibility of getting protected, you can go straight to federal court.
	In my case, and I make it a comparison so people understand, It's not like, oh, I just decided one day to be a whistleblower.
	No, I reported illegal activity.
	That is part of my job.
	I took an oath.
	I swore an oath to preserve, protect, defend the Constitution and all this.
	That is my job.
	And I reported it to Internal Affairs.
	And when they didn't do their job, I went to the OIG, Office of the Inspector General.
	Every agency has an Office of the Inspector General.
	The Treasury has one.
	The DOJ has one.
	CIA has one.
	You name it.
	They've all got one.
	And they failed.
	So by a certain level, I'm notifying Congress and the Senate and the office of the President, which happened to be Bill Clinton at that time in 95.
	And in 96 is when those other guys were getting killed off, by the way, like Thomas, Edwin Costello, Phil Snyder.
	And I had death threats continually since 85 when I seized a bunch of heroin.
	And I reported human trafficking by U.S. Customs officials that still have not been arrested yet.
	And they're all violating federal law by them not acting on my information.
	Ed Snowden, on the other hand, went to another country.
	He's allegedly getting six figures.
	I wish I could get six figures, money, ripples or whatever.
	And he's got a document to live there, just like a couple of other friends of mine that live over there who are good guys and Americans and diplomats.
	Putin's not what people think.
	That's all counterintelligence propaganda.
	Oh, he's the bad guy, just like the Clintons.
	Oh, it's the Russians.
	It's the Russians.
	No, it's not.
	It's not the Russians.
	Otherwise, why is Hillary having Robert Mueller deliver radioactive cake material to people in Russia?
	Because they took away land from the Indians in the Dakotas or something and stole it.
	Alright, well, what was your relationship with Bush Sr.?
	Did you have to protect him ever?
	No, no.
	I was out by that time, but I'm familiar with Bush under the Reagan assassination attempt because he would have benefited because of that interview I did to protect Reagan.
	Or technically it was Carter, then it was Reagan, because of my interview with Hinckley.
	So I didn't have contact with him at all, to my knowledge.
	Okay.
	Although he was the vice president, he was in Dallas in 63.
	That guy had a lot of pull.
	And you realize the vice president is the intelligence contact person for the president, right?
	No.
	Right.
	So that means that when Eisenhower was president, Vice President Richard Milhouse Nixon was the one that controlled information Coming and going from NSA, CIA and those other agencies dealing with Valiant Thor, for instance.
	Right.
	You were saying that and I thought that was really interesting because I wrote an article about presidents that know too much and how Nixon was, I believe he was framed through Watergate.
	And I don't know if you read this book called Watergate Hoax, but it paints a pretty persuasive story.
	I was there.
	I was there.
	Yeah, I was there right after Watergate happened, and I was protecting people associated with the administration.
	I protected Ford and all the other staffers and people like that.
	And they were still filming the movie, All the President's Men, while I was out there on 16th Street protecting the Russian embassy.
	Right.
	Because you know what building is behind the Russian embassy off 16th Street at that time?
	No.
	It still is.
	The Washington Post.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Because there's a position in the front, and there's a position in the back in the alley, and right next to the alley is the Washington Post.
	I go, my God, they could have a tunnel, you know.
	They could probably go and visit.
	Right.
	But they've since moved it.
	Okay, but you, so you said that, I mean, my understanding about the vice president is that most everything bypasses that guy, but you're saying he was, he was actually in, right in the, in the path of intelligence.
	Yes, he is the conduit.
	So you're substantiating my premise in my article, which is that Nixon knew too much.
	He was completely obsessed with the ET thing.
	And you said he didn't want to meet them face-to-face because he knew about their telepathy.
	Where did you get that?
	Where did you hear that?
	I can't remember my exact source, but I do remember it.
	That's good enough.
	The point is...
	I referred to the Art Campbell website, ufocrashbook.com.
	Right.
	And Art just passed away.
	I just got word from the family just in the last several days.
	And I'm still waiting for follow-up contacts because Art was out there in Roswell and a couple other places.
	He was collecting stuff.
	Oh, yeah.
	And he and I had talked for several years.
	So I'm going back maybe to what?
	2013 or 14 or 15 at the latest maybe.
	And he wanted me to confirm stuff about the Secret Service detail that actually took Eisenhower to one of these meetings.
	I say one of these meetings because I think they had more than one meeting.
	And it wasn't just Holloman Air Force Base.
	I think at Edwards.
	And I've been to Edwards.
	I've been there.
	I've been through Civil Air Patrol training.
	Not that I brag about it, but I've been out there before, too.
	Right.
	But Secret Service agents are supposed to go to the President no matter where they go.
	Right.
	They're not on top of it.
	Okay.
	But when he goes out into a foreign part of the town or the countryside or to another country, let alone a military base where there's a UFO landing, God help them.
	Why would they let a president walk on board of a UFO and just stand outside like they trust him?
	Right.
	They could do anything.
	They could just immediately put the stairway up and zip off into another dimension and you'd never see them again.
	That's right.
	Then what are they going to do, right?
	Yeah, so you're saying that the Secret Service, I mean, in a way that's just so that people don't focus on them, right?
	What do you mean focus on them?
	Meaning they don't follow up with them to see, you know, what the president really, you know, what he really was involved in.
	If they weren't there, you know, as far as that story goes, you know what I'm saying?
	Well, they would have to be there to protect him for whatever purpose.
	And if they can't protect him, this is critical.
	If the Secret Service cannot protect the president, they will advise against it.
	Or if they have to physically prevent him...
	It gets to one of those situations because we are the only ones to physically grab by the belt or physically take him out of the way to get him undercover to protect him and we can do it.
	That's what our job is.
	Other people think, oh no, we work under the president and that's not how it works.
	But two of the names I was verifying, Art was Roy Kellerman and I forget the other agent's name, Those two guys showed up in Dallas in 1963, years later.
	That's interesting to me.
	Okay, are you saying that they were the ones that were accompanying Eisenhower on those meetings?
	Yes.
	And are they still alive?
	I don't believe so.
	I believe most of them have passed away.
	That's too bad.
	It's just interesting.
	There's another alternate writer besides Ronald Kessler.
	I was looking around for a book.
	There's a guy I've talked to, Vince Palomara, who has a nice interest in Secret Service.
	We've talked.
	He hasn't done a chapter on me yet.
	We'll get around to that maybe someday.
	But he's kind of a Democrat.
	And I go, well, that's fine.
	Today's Democrats are not Democrats from the 60s.
	And I love Kennedy.
	Kennedy was an excellent, outstanding president.
	That's why they killed him.
	He was going to do such outstandingly great stuff.
	But to this day, it's like, well, he was going to do it with the Federal Reserve.
	He was going to expose and get rid of the CIA. He was going to do this about the UFOs and all these other things.
	So it was like five categories of reasons why they would want to take him out.
	No doubt about it.
	You could speculate.
	Even Marilyn Monroe was killed because she was going to divulge information.
	She didn't take suicide.
	Thank you.
	That's another cover-up.
	Thank you for that.
	That's true.
	That's very true.
	In fact, I even disclosed this years ago when I first got my first computer around 98, 99.
	And I started to look up YouTube before I was really used to using the computer.
	And they kept saying, oh yeah, you know, she either injected herself or she took pills.
	I said, that's wrong.
	The lower intestinal tract of her lower colon area, the colorectal area, was purple in color.
	That tells me it was a suppository.
	That's how they do it.
	So if you're Mexican and you live in Mexico or you have Hispanic contacts like I do, if you get sick, suppository.
	You got a cold?
	Suppository.
	Oh my God!
	I've had to deal with other people that I've taken care of.
	And they're good people.
	But yeah, there's this whole thing about all that.
	And I've been quoted in the...
	There's a book by Jan Allen Henderson on the George Reeves murder case, not a suicide, Mr.
	Superman from the 50s.
	Right.
	I'm quoted in that.
	I dissected the whole investigation piece by piece so he would understand.
	This is what a real investigation would entail.
	This is what should have happened.
	And they took the body, took it to a morgue.
	They embalmed it and then they returned it and did all kinds of stuff.
	So they covered up all kinds of things.
	Oh, I believe you.
	What about that time when Trump went over to, I think it was in Scotland or England, and he went to a golf course and there was an attempt on his life at the golf course.
	Yes, you're talking about the guy that was in the...
	I think it was a Secret Service guy stood in his way.
	There was a guy who died, I believe.
	Right.
	Took a bullet for him, I guess.
	Correct.
	I don't think it was a bullet.
	You don't think it was a bullet?
	I think he got hit with an energy weapon, but that could be a separate...
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because he suffered from a severe aneurysm or a heart attack or something.
	Right.
	That's right.
	And he looked a little portly, in my opinion.
	And I'm 6'3", and I'm athletic, you know, 40-plus years ago.
	And I used to run and all that.
	But some of these guys these days are a little bit older looking.
	Some of them are a little bit overweight.
	Yeah.
	But they also had a guy who entered the area in one of those...
	Oh, I can't think of the term.
	It's an aerial flying machine thing that's kind of like a propeller-generated thing.
	And they allowed him to get into an area.
	In most situations, they would just shoot it down.
	And when I was at the White House...
	You'll like this part.
	When I was at the White House, we had a 500-foot rule.
	I laughed at it because 500 foot is nothing.
	And Nixon, before I came into the Secret Service, had guys with a helicopter, a military guy got into a helicopter and tried to buzz the White House, and they were shooting at this helicopter, and they couldn't shoot it down.
	They're using rifled slug, and they can't hit the pilot or the rotors and the machinery and stuff.
	I couldn't believe it.
	I'm a better shot than I brag about.
	I am an excellent, outstanding shot, and I got distinguished experts.
	Okay, but why couldn't they hit it?
	Was it a hologram, or what was the story?
	No, no.
	No, it was a real aircraft, but the point is, they couldn't shoot it down because their marksmanship was lousy.
	Really?
	Yeah, they have rifled slug, which is like, if you've ever seen a rifled slug, I'll hold up a bearer's aspirin.
	A rifled slug is about like a.50 caliber, basically.
	And it's a slug that big.
	And if you shoot a slug and a shotgun that big, it's going to go through stuff.
	I'm serious.
	I'm serious.
	I could knock stuff down like you wouldn't believe.
	But they had an airplane, which was like a Cessna or something, also crash into the White House, but it didn't hit the building.
	It hit the magnolia tree on the corner of the south lawn.
	That was pretty close, but if you understand how heavy airplanes are, they're not very sturdy and they're not big enough to do that kind of damage.
	So what are you trying to say?
	They could probably crash into the White House.
	It wouldn't do any damage unless it was a bigger plane or a jet or something with explosives.
	But the 500-foot rule was if you saw something flying over the White House, you could hit an alarm.
	Everybody's on alert.
	To prevent those sort of things from happening.
	And yet, flights, international flights from international airport at National from across the bay would fly over that area or come by that area even from other areas which were a thousand feet or five thousand feet in the air.
	And you can still see them.
	They changed it now since 9-11.
	Wouldn't you know it?
	Everything's changed.
	So that means there's no flying.
	It's no fly zone.
	You can't even park next to the White House where I used to work.
	I parked next to the White House.
	It's restricted.
	You can't drive right by it.
	So that prevents other things from happening.
	But the whole thing about restricted airspace and all that stuff has finally changed.
	But it took them all these years to finally understand after people's lives had to be sacrificed in a way that, oh yeah, we need to change that.
	Okay, now switching gears just a little bit here.
	Bob Dean, and this is based on someone who wrote something in the chat.
	We have a chat room alongside the show.
	So maybe we can take some questions from them eventually.
	But anyways, Bob Dean had a saying that he said, which was that he knew that Anunnaki were walking the halls of the Pentagon.
	So have you been to the Pentagon?
	And what do you think about that?
	I've been to the Pentagon.
	I can't disclose why I was there.
	I can't say I've walked around and saw tall whites or something.
	There are people that I would suspect that fit the description, and I totally support Robert O'Dean 100%.
	I've seen some of his interviews online.
	I've listened to him for years on the Art Bell Show, and everything that he has is spectacular and of the utmost integrity.
	Very, very happy to hear that.
	Yes, that's true.
	I agree completely.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm sorry to see that he passed away recently.
	Yes.
	But, you know, I mean, you can't miss him.
	He had that ponytail, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, he was a cool guy.
	Yeah, he's a very cool guy.
	But it blends in with the same stuff I'm telling you, because I've accumulated information over the years from various sources, like Robert O'Dean, and I very meticulously analyzed their information and And I'm profiling, is he telling the truth?
	Is there any deception in his voice?
	Is there any deception in his actions?
	Right.
	There is none at all.
	Excellent.
	Yes.
	I'm a human lie detector is the best way to say it.
	And that's what I was when I was working at the border specifically.
	Oh, right.
	So those skill sets definitely come into play.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, we could play a game.
	I could ask you stress questions and it wouldn't matter.
	I could pretend like I'm the troll at the bridge on that...
	Holy Grail movie.
	Monty Python's Search of the Holy Grail thing.
	You know, what is your favorite color?
	What quest are you on?
	And what's your name?
	And stuff like that.
	And it wouldn't matter.
	I could ask a simple question, and if you're nervous, it won't matter what question.
	You know, and people will freak out on the question because they're nervous.
	All right.
	Now, okay, in terms of what's going on with the 5G situation, have you followed that at all?
	Yeah, as you notice, I've got a 3G phone.
	Okay.
	Okay, I don't use a smartphone yet.
	I'm holding out as long as I can.
	They're claiming, I won't mention Verizon, okay?
	They're claiming that, oh yeah, when 5G comes into effect, you're not going to be able to communicate whatsoever.
	I think that's a lie.
	5G could be damaging to us as humans.
	And if you have the thing plugged in continually...
	Yeah, you're getting exposed to stuff.
	Now, this is a wire all the way through.
	Now, when I was in Secret Service, we had a wire that was down further down the thing to our waist, which is where we wore the radio.
	So the rest of it was a tube, an air tube, so you could still hear the speaker and you could adjust the volume, but you weren't getting the direct wire to the brain.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, you see what I mean?
	Right.
	They have the little squiggly earpiece, but it's still air all the way down to the waist area where it hooks up to the actual Motorola or whatever.
	Oh, so they're not getting the radiation.
	Oh, that's good to hear.
	All right.
	Yeah, even when Obama had the famous blackberry, he's putting it up to his head.
	You get exposure.
	Right.
	A good way to explain it would be...
	Did you ever see the movie Lucy with...
	Yeah, Lucy's great.
	Scarlett Johansson?
	Yep.
	Yeah, I'm a fan of Scarlett Johansson, Ghost in the Shell's another one.
	But the Lucy movie, she's actually able to see in three-dimensional the life energy and the energy from the phones and people shooting all over the place.
	Right.
	We have so much energy going around us, even today, That people don't understand the difference.
	And I'm into that RFID blocking procedure.
	I've got material that I can put my cell phone and throw it in there.
	Or I had a client recently that I was helping.
	She thought she was being monitored.
	And she was.
	Somebody was tapping into her phone.
	So I told her, take the battery out, wrap it in foil, and you're good to go.
	Go get another phone.
	Just like that.
	Because...
	Even private investigators, and this should upset some of your people out there, is that they have a system where you can just dial up, contact with your cell phone, and they're locked in as if they work for the NSA. Really?
	Yeah, they can turn it on, listen to it, monitor you, or track you.
	That's the key, is the tracking.
	And I've got GPS turned off unless I hit 911 to report a fire or something.
	Sure.
	Which I did a couple days ago, I think.
	But people don't get that stuff.
	They don't understand the technology.
	We're violated.
	Ed Snowden is right.
	We've been violated for years.
	But what they're going to do is come back after the fact or behind the scenes and say, oh, but we didn't do it intentionally.
	We did it indirectly.
	Or they're going to come back and fix it in another lie so that you'll say, oh, then it's okay if it's national security.
	Oh, we don't listen to the conversation.
	Right, sure.
	They just show that I called Carrie Cassidy for five minutes today or 30 minutes.
	What a bunch of BS. Can I say that?
	All right.
	Well, okay.
	Let me ask you this.
	What about chemtrails?
	Are you aware of them?
	What chemtrails?
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	I figured.
	I got interviewed years ago about chemtrails.
	Yeah, they do exist.
	So what?
	There's nothing we could do about it.
	Yeah, they dump certain stuff that are chemicals out of certain airplanes.
	They could be dumping the blue stuff out of the toilets, for all we know.
	Or they could be dumping fuel, which is a common occurrence even in military, where they're going to land a plane and they can't land with a full tank of fuel, depending on the case.
	I see.
	Yeah, there is contamination.
	There's contamination in the air by itself, just from the cars and the smog and all that.
	And I've been exposed to that stuff, and I'm sensitive to it.
	But if you're talking about altering the environment in a certain way, why would they want to destroy it and make it worse?
	It doesn't make sense.
	But black helicopters exist.
	Well, that gets into the negative ETs, as far as I'm concerned.
	You know, they are terraforming Earth, and there is a plot behind the scenes that gets into that.
	Well, you just reminded me.
	Remember the Superman movie?
	Which one, I guess?
	I think it was the Man of Steel.
	Okay.
	Russell Crowe plays Jor-El, and then Kal-El is the other guy.
	And they had these world machines from Krypton that escaped the destruction of Krypton.
	And these machines that they got a hold of would come to the planet, one side of the planet, like the North Pole or something, and the other one at the opposite side, and they would terraform or totally destroy the Structure of the planet so that it would fit their genetics in some way.
	Yeah, and I'm, you know, I'm convinced that that is happening, actually.
	Right.
	I mean, we're having some heavy-duty chemtrailing above my area the last few days.
	It was super hot, and now they've brought the temperature down.
	I know.
	This temperature thing is really bad for me.
	I have to have air conditioning.
	For health issues, if you want to call it that, and I'm a former athlete, I've had several heart attacks and all that, but I was mentioning this other guy, Trey Smith, because he was talking about the same issue, and I think you might have an interest in this, is they're claiming from some of his research that he came across, from other sources he's interviewed too, is that the dragonflies were like two and a half, three feet in diameter, minimum small size.
	And that they needed a certain amount of oxygen to breathe and operate and fly.
	And I thought, okay, that's interesting.
	But that means we have smaller dragonflies, maybe two and a half, three inches big.
	I've seen some larger.
	And other insects and other areas.
	But if you're talking about the actual oxygen content of the planet determining the size, it doesn't exactly make sense.
	But I'm not a rocket scientist either.
	Right.
	There's a certain amount of oxygen that we have to breathe, but if it's lowered, then certain animals and stuff are either going to adapt or they're not going to make it.
	But the interpretation was we had better oxygen, which we did prior to the volcanoes or prior to the asteroid or the destruction or the atmospheric destruction of the planet at one point.
	You know, millions of years ago.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	Okay, well, now, have you ever had to protect anyone going, like, into, I don't know, NASA or, you know, at any space location?
	Because you were at China Lake, for example.
	Good question, because I did go to JPL. You did?
	Yeah, I was Civil Air Patrol at the time, so that meant I get to go all kinds of places, fly on planes.
	I went to JPL. I heard Brad Pitt was at JPL doing a conversation with the ISS station in space just in the last 24 hours.
	Well, I worked there as a contractor.
	Oh, wonderful.
	Before I got into this job.
	I was still in media back then, but yeah, that was actually a paying job.
	Yeah, that's a cool location.
	It's in Pasadena?
	That's right.
	Right.
	Yeah, that's a historic place.
	Yeah, I did interviews with a guy named George Putnam, my first in-studio in KIEV up in Glendale, Pasadena area.
	But yeah, I've flown with Civil Air Patrol.
	I've been out at the boot camp at Edwards Air Force Base.
	I worked at a gas and electric company out of Ridgecrest, so I was in the desert.
	Okay, well, if you were at China Lake, you must have seen some bizarre aircraft, you know, Black Triangles, that sort of thing?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Is that...
	Can you say...
	Can you like lie to me or do you have to tell me the truth?
	You know what I mean?
	I'm telling you...
	To protect your oath or whatever?
	No, no.
	No, I would tell you because I've already had death threats.
	If I saw something...
	Now, I saw the picture.
	I told you I had contact with a guy who had pictures of an oblong shaped UFO type thing, which I don't particularly like.
	I mean, if I had my druthers, I'd go along with the...
	Depictation of the one in the Day the Year Stood Still 1951 model.
	That kind of thing.
	That's what I like.
	I say, yeah, that's a UFO. When they start showing stuff with the triangles and stuff, I say, no, those look like they're probably reconstructed or reverse engineered and we're doing a poor job of it or something.
	And they've got all kinds of stuff.
	And I've seen stuff from Bob Lazar.
	I've studied him very carefully.
	I'm very familiar with what he has.
	And as far as I'm concerned, He's right up there with Robert O'Dean.
	Yeah, good for you.
	Okay, exactly.
	Good for you.
	So, all the stuff he's described, the nuclear fission stuff that they had to develop to use, the electromagnetics, and that's what I'm telling people all the time.
	It's the electromagnetics.
	We have free energy on this planet, and we can use the electromagnetic field of the Earth to operate it, And they don't want to hear about it.
	And that's where these guys, I can't think of the guy's name, I pulled it up on a YouTube interview where he actually developed something no different than a time travel machine in a miniature model, and they made it work, and it wavered like water, and then zip, it was gone.
	It disappeared.
	Oh, cool.
	Was that John Hetchison?
	Not John Hetchison?
	I'm not sure.
	Kind of a short, older gentleman with a male and a female in an interview room at a dining room table.
	It wasn't George Green.
	No, I can't place the name.
	All right.
	No worries.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, I'm trying to remember, but it was very excellent because it just proves another point.
	Tesla technology, when his stuff was developed, they came in as soon as he died and they stole everything.
	When Phil Snyder died, they went into his residence and stole everything.
	So if you've got an artifact, and I'm trying to protect some other people right now, they need to lock it up, protect it, even if you found giant skulls and 35-foot skeletons from giant whites buried somewhere, or the Kandahar giant or something,
	then they're going to capture it, seize it, and cover it up because they don't want to prove that the stuff in the Bible did exist And the fallen angels and all these other things do exist, but they're still confusing the terms.
	Well, that little drone, Gray, is actually a demon.
	Is it?
	Really?
	How many interviews have you seen?
	You know the alien interviews?
	Yeah.
	I watched those.
	The first one was released through Art Bell, a.k.a.
	Victor, the guy wearing the fake beard and the glasses and the hat and all that.
	Yeah.
	That looked like it was faked, but it was still difficult.
	And the questions, this is what I'm trying to key in and let you know.
	The questions that the investigator from ONI that asked the questions were not proper or professional interrogative questions or the type of questions I would have asked.
	He went off on different tangents.
	He went off on the wrong deal.
	Then they developed it into another alien which looks really mean and ugly.
	Can you see the picture I sent you earlier?
	No, I don't think I saw a picture.
	Oh, I tried to send it on the Skype thing, but I'd have to try and pull up another one.
	But there's one that looks like the one that they used, and they could not decrypt the interview.
	I tried to send it to a guy that I know that does encryption and analysis of stuff.
	I went and tried to prove that Elvis Presley's voice was him, and it did the opposite.
	We proved that it wasn't him.
	So we had a bunch of disappointed people out there because it was only 55% of his actual voice.
	So it was faked.
	All right.
	See what I mean?
	So if I record you...
	On what?
	What was that for?
	It was related to a bunch of Elvis fans a couple of years back.
	You could probably Google my name somewhere related to that.
	Okay.
	There was a couple of ladies that claimed that they actually...
	Talk to Elvis.
	They called him after 1977.
	And I go, wait a minute.
	I was still in Secret Service at the White House.
	Elvis did not visit the White House.
	He died in 1977, August 16th.
	That's the official news.
	But people will try to claim, oh no, he called me.
	He visited me in the middle of the night.
	Or he called me up on the phone.
	And they got a recording.
	I said, really?
	And I won't even mention some of the ladies.
	But they had a book that this lady had an audio on.
	And I said, you know what, I'm going to send it to this forensic guy that I know back in Pennsylvania and have him check it out.
	And he says, no, he only came up 55%.
	They compared it with an actual recording of Elvis, and that's the best they can get.
	If they got a recording from you compared it to another previous recording of you, even if it was a nasty, staticky copy, they could still come up with 98%, 99%, or 100%.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	filter yeah um you know I'm not going to keep you that much longer I'm gonna ask people in the chat if they want to ask questions go ahead put your questions in the chat but what I want to ask you is um I talked to you about this before and right before I hung up with you today I want to ask you again do you think that you know you lived in China Lake you've been involved in so many things so do you think that at any point you've had your mind wiped
	In other words, that you might have been involved in something and you don't remember?
	No, no.
	No?
	I have the normal brain fog based on just normal type stuff, but if I sat here and talked to you all night, I could unload stuff that, God, I haven't remembered that in a long time.
	It's there, But I didn't smoke.
	I didn't drink.
	I didn't do drugs.
	I didn't hang around the wrong people.
	And I was not involved in any operations.
	But I have been familiar with people who claim to be at China Lake.
	In fact, somebody, I can't remember the blonde's name, claimed that she thinks that Joseph Mengele was there.
	And I said, that's ludicrous.
	I live right next door to scientists that live there that you wouldn't believe that were related to other famous people.
	If they had an underground city and they had underground facilities, that's possible because you can't hide 5,000 people at a small military base in the desert the way it was set up.
	They'd have to be underground.
	Well, definitely.
	And it's hot.
	But it's a weapons center, which means they're developing sidewinders and rockets and up to the point of laser technology and electromagnetics and stuff.
	They said that there was $5 billion damage to the base after the recent earthquakes last month.
	And the bees were dying off.
	And I said, wait a minute, that's it.
	When you've got bees that are dropping out of the air, there's something wrong.
	That's not a normal deal.
	That's electromagnetic field and stuff like that.
	That's serious damage in a different way.
	Well, that sounds like a man-made situation.
	Well, exactly.
	And if you ever watch the old Time Tunnel movie back in the 60s, the series?
	Yeah?
	It's the same type stuff.
	They messed with the time continuum.
	They had rips in the time warps and all these things dealing with the time and the fabric of time.
	Right.
	So that's what they're doing at CERN. That's right.
	Right?
	And why are they doing that?
	Well, they've got these Stargates too that they want to go get out of Iraq.
	Why were we in Iraq if we weren't there to help those people?
	Right.
	We should have stayed there and put up Pizza Hut and Burger King and gas stations, and we wouldn't have to pay for gas for the rest of our lives.
	Well, it's not about gas, but I can appreciate what you're saying.
	Yeah, it's kind of a negative joke, but the idea is that is the center of civilization, the Tigris and Euphrates, Babylon, and all this other stuff.
	There's too much historic value to this history.
	That people don't get that and they don't know their history.
	And they're going like, yeah, we were there, we helped them out a little bit, and then we left, and now we're off to another country.
	Yeah, we destroyed, we completely destroyed every piece of infrastructure in the country.
	And we basically took over their museum, all their incredibly priceless relics, and on top of it we had to close a portal that Saddam Hussein was dealing with, Saman Anaki, that he was trying to let through, and that was the real reason we were there.
	And we're never leaving there.
	We're still there.
	Our military is still there.
	And especially underground.
	That's the most important.
	That's good.
	I'm glad you said that because I was going to say the underground.
	They hide everything underground.
	Weapons of mass destruction excuse.
	But I want to emphasize Afghanistan.
	Yeah.
	Look to Afghanistan.
	This BS about, oh, we're over there protecting poppy fields and stuff.
	Right.
	I'm rolling my eyes.
	Really?
	Really?
	There was a Brad Pitt movie where they were kind of throwing that out there.
	That's Hollywood.
	But still, if they're doing that, I think there was a movie called The Objective, if I can refer people to look at that.
	It's a free movie on YouTube.
	It's logistically incorrect on how they did it, but it's very good to explain, besides Kandahar Giants and stuff like that, that if we're out there, they've got stuff called The Vamanas.
	Right, cool.
	And Sanskrit is the oldest language on this planet.
	There's only a handful of people that still speak it today in India or Nepal or the associated areas.
	Yes.
	So they've got stuff out there that it doesn't make sense.
	There's nothing out there.
	It's all desert, mountains.
	Well, that's where Osama bin Laden would hide, would be in caves.
	See, that's why the Russians couldn't beat them.
	Because they're all in caves and they're hiding out.
	What's the purpose?
	It's just real estate, basically.
	That's the Pentagon attitude.
	It's just real estate.
	No, there's stuff out there that is beyond the stargates.
	Well, there's special minerals that are very useful in high-tech and space travel, for one thing.
	Back to the copper thing.
	Copper is a special conduit.
	You know that gold, and I keep hearing this, I go, God, I thought I was the only one that believed in that because of this movie.
	Robinson Crusoe on Mars, but it confirms the same theory, is that these aliens will come here to mine for the gold.
	Gold is a perfect electronic type of conduit for electricity, and it's not magnetic.
	It also aids in going interdimensional.
	Did you know that?
	That's what I just said.
	It's not magnetic.
	So it's neutral.
	All right.
	I should have explained it a little differently.
	No, that's all right.
	That's cool, because you know what you're talking about.
	That's great.
	Someone here...
	Okay, we've got some questions coming in.
	Can I run those by you?
	Okay, so someone wants to know, what do you think of Trump?
	Is he dialed in, is what the person wrote.
	Dialed in?
	Well, I guess, you know, does he know the truth about, you know, the secret space program?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let's address that real quick.
	He was specifically asked if he knew anything about it or do they exist.
	No U.S. president since Truman will ever, ever admit to the alien presence, no different than the Majestic 12.
	Bless you.
	The Majestic 12 thing and all these other people above him.
	They've tried to get Obama to do it.
	They've tried to get Bill Clinton to do it.
	And I don't care what Hillary promises this week.
	She can promise you everything.
	She's not going to tell you.
	She's not allowed to tell you.
	Or she will be wiped clean.
	She will be vaporized.
	She will disappear.
	That's what will happen.
	President Trump instead threw it off on somebody else.
	Now remember, I'm analyzing his speech and the way he's answering questions today.
	And I'm telling you, he was deceptive on that.
	On the E.T. thing?
	Yes, he has to be.
	Well, that's a good thing, actually.
	I mean, in the sense that, you know, he knows something, right?
	Yes, he has to be.
	Or he could have said, I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to talk about that.
	Next question.
	That would have been pretty honest, too, but that's also revealing.
	But remember, I was there when Jimmy Carter was there.
	Jimmy Carter made a campaign promise to release Operation Blue Book.
	When he got into office, he was practically in tears, and I saw the speech that he did on a follow-up.
	He couldn't release it.
	He was apologizing.
	Oh my God, that's confirmation.
	No, they weren't going to let him near that stuff.
	Exactly.
	Let's see, somebody, I'm trying to see, what is your feeling on the current direction of the USA? Are you optimistic about the future?
	For the United States?
	Well, they started with USA, so I assume that.
	Oh, okay.
	I just want to make sure.
	I'm very optimistic, but I'm also skeptic because I haven't been helped myself, and they haven't stepped in and done their jobs.
	I mean, I keep hearing all these rumors since last year, October.
	Oh, there's 33,000 sealed indictments, and now it's up to over 100,935.
	Well, what do you think about that?
	Yeah.
	I think that's BS. I think all this QAnon stuff is a bot.
	It's propaganda.
	You could get more information off of a Twitter from President Trump, or you could email him direct, or send him an email or a regular mail.
	But all this stuff where they're putting out this information from other sources, and I've measured and monitored other sources, and I evaluate them for their honesty and integrity, they're just dragging us along like a cliffhanger.
	How long can you do it?
	It's 33 months now, Kerry.
	33 months.
	And I'm not getting direct answers.
	I'm going, are you kidding me?
	Oh, but it'll happen next month.
	It'll happen next month.
	Don't give me that.
	Those are left-wing, democrats, socialists, communists pulling that stuff.
	They're trying to make it look like how stupid everybody is.
	And they're starting to prove that there's a lot of stupidity, but they're pushing everybody to the brink of civil war.
	That's what they're doing.
	They need to put people in jail and send them off to Gitmo, even if the president has to do martial law, and do it now.
	Okay, you're talking about the pedophilia situation, is that right?
	Oh, well, no, but yeah, we're getting back into that.
	I mean, the indictments, well, why are you saying they need to put people in jail?
	No, those indictments did not have specificity to pedophilia.
	Those have to people with committing...
	High treason against the government and the people of the United States.
	They're stealing money from the people of the United States, like you and I. People who are living in the streets.
	Military vets are killing themselves at a rate of 22 per day on suicides.
	That's ridiculous.
	They're stealing money.
	They've got access to the purse strings in certain states.
	And they're pulling some stuff that is so treasonous.
	Those people should have been given the death penalty and they should have been executed years ago.
	Okay.
	So what is it, I guess because some people are reacting to the QAnon thing, what is it that QAnon says that you don't believe?
	Most of it.
	Can you be specific?
	Well, I'm trying to think of something specific.
	I'm trying to give you an example.
	I mean, QAnon has talked about the indictments, I think.
	And that's all it is, is talk.
	Well, I actually have some sources on that saying the reason they're not going public with them is, first of all, that they can't have lynch mobs.
	People are just going to go crazy when they find out the real truth.
	I've got somebody who behind the scenes has been in touch with lawyers who have been told, hands off.
	The indictments are real, but they can't touch them.
	They're not real if they don't act on them is one thing.
	And the other thing is it doesn't matter that President Trump's in office.
	I would say this about any president, no matter who it is.
	If they have knowledge of violations of high treason and so forth and they don't go after these people and they're waiting for something else to happen, they're stalling and they're letting people get away with this stuff and they can't do it.
	And the longer they let it go, it just festers and gets worse.
	It's the old saying.
	Delayed justice is justice denied.
	Think about it.
	So, it doesn't matter.
	Oh, we've got sealed indictments.
	We've got about 20,000 in California alone.
	Really?
	Then serve them.
	See, that doesn't make sense.
	They had Comey right there on the platter, and he lied, telling everybody on the American public through Trey Gowdy, a joke, and Chavez, he resigned too, Oh, we couldn't prove intent on Ms.
	Clinton on her emails.
	33,000 emails.
	And there's a guy in prison right now for one email.
	They couldn't prove intent.
	Really?
	Every time she signed on to a government computer, she agreed every friggin' time she signed on that she would not violate the Secrecy Act and so forth, and she did.
	That is an overt act.
	That shows intent.
	And James Comey lied, and he should be in prison right now.
	What's wrong with that picture?
	My only issue with Hillary's emails is that she's working for someone and people are not looking above her head.
	Okay.
	You know, see, I don't think it's good enough to blame a person.
	You know, you've got to go above their head, and basically she and Clinton, her husband, reported to Bush.
	End of story.
	So does Obama.
	Well, she didn't have permission to release information from the State Department computers, and she wasn't authorized to violate the State Secrecy Acts.
	Well, she was by MJ-12.
	Well, then you'd have to prove that one.
	Sure.
	Well, that's the background information I have.
	You know, we all report.
	These people report to people.
	That's the bottom line.
	Well, part of the problem is...
	And we have a secret government.
	I mean, you work for the government.
	I agree.
	I agree what you just said is that there is a secret government.
	I agree with that.
	It's just that if the American public are going to continue to be slaves, why don't we be comfortable slaves?
	Really.
	I mean, they've got so much resources...
	If that's what's going on, it's all a facade.
	Do you know how many times I've suggested that they get a valid voter ID card and I haven't been answered yet?
	Mexico has a valid ID card and I've actually checked people that had them because I've had to search them.
	And they've got a photo ID card that has a picture, a fingerprint, a verified address, date of birth, or a related social security number or some other number that goes to their social security number.
	And that's it.
	They could show it anywhere.
	They could scan it.
	They could put it through.
	It could be chipped.
	It could be whatever.
	And you could have that as a national ID card if necessary, just like a passport.
	And I have one, a passport.
	It's a card.
	Okay, well, I happen to know that the election was hacked.
	Of course.
	I mean, Hillary was hacking the election to begin with, but then the Navy hacked it back.
	I have insider information on that.
	Everybody's hacking.
	No, that's been proven that they can go into the state computers...
	They claim that the federal computers could not be hacked because it's a different system, but I don't believe that either.
	Either way, if they wanted to circumvent it, why haven't they got valid voter ID cards right now?
	Because now, California is trying to get illegal aliens from God knows what country to be registered to vote, which is illegal.
	You try going to Mexico, not to pick on Mexico, but if you go to Mexico as an American citizen or a foreign national and try to vote in an election, you'll go to prison for 10 years.
	And there are people who are proud to vote illegally here more than ten times, like this black lady that claims she voted for Obama ten times.
	Really?
	Really?
	So much for that, right?
	I hear you.
	This country is so screwed up.
	In my aspects of what I see going on, and they still haven't fixed it yet, and they're trying to stretch it out.
	Oh, but we've got four more years.
	I'll do that in the next quarter.
	I'll do that in the next deal.
	Well, I mean, okay, let's ask you the question.
	Do you think that Trump is going to be re-elected?
	Yes.
	Okay, cool.
	Who else would you be able to vote for?
	I've got no idea.
	Put my name down.
	All right.
	John Carman, C-A-R-M-A-N. Put my name down.
	I hear you.
	If I get in, I'll make some serious changes.
	But if the guys come in from the so-called Majestic 12 people, then I need more protection than the Secret Service.
	Well, I hope you stay safe, John.
	You know, I'd love to have you back on the show.
	I'm going to let you go now.
	We keep these shows to two hours max.
	Oh, it was a good one.
	I mean, we were...
	We hit all kinds of subjects, whereas most other people, and I'm complimenting you, they'll send me stuff like, oh, could you send us like 10 or 15 of your best questions or something, or your outline or something, and blah, blah, blah.
	Or Sean Hannity, do you have a book?
	Really?
	A book?
	I could send you a ton of stuff, but I'm not going to send you my transcript.
	Well, actually, you sent me some good links.
	I actually put them on my website as well.
	You've got a lot of information on those links, I have to say.
	So I recommend those links.
	Yeah, that's nothing compared to what I really know.
	I'm sure.
	See, I'm surprised they haven't had a couple of gentlemen come and pick me up and treat me real nice and take me to an airport somewhere to go back to be debriefed for a while.
	A couple of years.
	Well, I'm glad they haven't because it's great to have a guy like you out there.
	So I hope that you will be back in touch with us.
	I can give you a whole other show on asking you everything under the sun because it seems like you've been all over the place.
	Well, I have that kind of a background because my interests are not limited.
	That's the point.
	We have to educate ourselves.
	We have to read and see as much as we can.
	Like I was suggesting this guy on YouTube.
	And I go, you know what?
	Any source of information, if you know what you're doing, you can get the information out of it properly.
	If you don't know the techniques that I use, then you'd have to be trained to do it like a professional.
	And, you know, there's some guy that professes to be an FBI profiler.
	What a joke.
	I mean, I did more profiling than he did in his whole career.
	And I did that in a couple of years.
	How many people did he process at the border in 15 years compared to him going out and investigating a couple of people?
	Three million compared to what?
	I got three plus million people I've interviewed in 15 years alone.
	How many did that guy interview?
	Incredible.
	See, I can easily throw the numbers at him.
	Well, gee, John, that's a lot of people.
	Yeah, it is.
	So let me get in there.
	You've got to be very, very good at what you do.
	So listen, I'm going to close down now and just say thank you very much and hope to have you back and thanks so much for contacting me and being open to coming on the show here and on such short notice.
	You're a real trooper.
	Thank you for serving our country all those years.
	Just send that to my Patreon GoFundMe page, please.
	Here's my account number.
	I'll give you my routing number off the air and you can send it, right?
	Hey, whistleblowers don't get retirements and we don't get social security and I'm screwed.
	All right.
	So send me, no, send me, you send me your Patreon, whatever, link and I'll put it on your page so people can help you out.
	Okay?
	Cool.
	Very nice of you.
	No problem.
	But yeah, let's do it again.
	It was great.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	You take care.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	So, wow, that's crazy, crazy stuff.
	He really knows his stuff, and there's so much more we can ask him to try to keep these short shows under two hours.
	So I want to thank everyone.
	I am working very diligently on my Mark Richards interview.
	This will be interview number 11.
	I recorded it today and it should be out late tonight if I can get it out there.
	I had major interference.
	It was recorded off the air, right?
	But they interfered with me and hit the tape over and over again.
	I know it's not tape, but digital, whatever.
	And it shows me that they do not want this interview out there.
	So I'm working my ass off, so to speak, to get it out there because it's good stuff and people need to know.
	So that's what it's all about for Project Camelot.
	And thank you again for being there and for those that have supported me, kept us alive for all these years.
	The only way we stay alive is through donations and YouTube advertisements.
	Can you believe it?
	So that's it.
	You know, that's how I do this work.
	Otherwise, I'd have to go get a full-time job and I wouldn't have time for all the research I do.
	I hope you will go to projectcamelot.tv, consider donating and also reading my articles because not only do I do, you know, my own broadcasts, I also, you know, put information out on my own.
	And interview like I've interviewed thousands of people.
	And so those are free interviews.
	We also have some footage that's available on Vimeo of all my conferences.
	And I've done quite a few Awake and Aware conferences in England.
	We've got this year's conference just came out.
	I think it's eight or more people that did fabulous presentations.
	So you should definitely check that out and It's a small amount of money for those presentations on Vimeo.
	If you just go to projectcamelot.tv and you click on I think it's a video on demand like VOD or it says channels and then one of them is that.
	Anyway, you get over to the Camelot, Project Camelot on Vimeo and that's where all the Awaken Aware footage is and it's helped support our work that way.
	So thank you again and take I'll be back.
	Have a very interesting show coming up.
	Actually, I guess it's tomorrow.
	Is this Tuesday?
	Oh, and I talked to Sean today.
	I'm going to release that very shortly.
	We only had 15 minutes.
	He was in prison, Sean David Morton, but we got a short 15-minute broadcast from him, so I'll be putting that online very shortly, too.
	And I've got a very interesting guest for Wednesday.
	His name is Darren, and he is a paranormal investigator.
	Actually, he and his brother in England and comes across amazing stuff.
	So stay tuned and take care, and I'll be back.
	Okay, take care.
	Bye-bye.

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