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Sept. 20, 2019 - Project Camelot

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Kerry interviewed by Brian Ruhe/ Revolution Radio

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	Welcome to Brian Rooney's show.
	It's September the 19th, 2019.
	It's a huge honor for me to have Carrie Cassidy on my show for the first time.
	Carrie Cassidy is the CEO and founder of Project Camelot.
	Carrie is a documentary filmmaker, investigative journalist, a well-known host of Project Camelot TV, broadcasting live shows weekly on YouTube.
	She's interviewed over a thousand people over the past 15 years on both radio and video.
	She's also used to be a revolution radio host, as I am.
	So she's available on YouTube and on Project Camelot.
	Their website is projectcamelot.tv, also known as projectcamelotportal.com.
	And Carrie's the leader in the alternative media sector.
	The Project Camelot YouTube channel has over 63 million unique viewers worldwide and over 231,000 subscribers.
	Carrie travels the world conducting interviews and documenting testimony of whistleblowers with above-top secret clearances, as well as authors, researchers, and experiencers Covering conspiracies, the secret space program, black projects, ET's, Kundalini, Ascension and free energy.
	She speaks at conferences around the world and is considered one of the leaders in the disclosure movement.
	So welcome to the show, Carrie!
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I watched your video you made a couple months ago called ET Intervention on Earth.
	I saw it a few times and read it over in text as well.
	So got a lot of questions about that and we can go in different directions.
	And you talk quite a bit about or a bit about your own experiences.
	You said that you've had intuitive downloads and you've been in touch with or in touch with the Guardian of Races and that you've also been abducted since you were a child and you've had multiple contact experiences.
	So tell us a bit about that because I feel I've had some downloads as well and you also recommend the Ashyana Dean books, the Voyager series, and I just started watching your interviews with her from 2010, so just so much we could talk about.
	Thank you very much, yes.
	Well, I did go to India with Ashyana Dean, and during that time I became aware that what would happen is every day we didn't have an exactly set itinerary, and so she would sort of check in with the Guardian races.
	That she's in fairly constant contact with, I would say.
	And she basically would start talking about something and get information.
	And then I was noticing I was getting the information right in advance before she would start talking.
	So that was sort of a very good, in the sort of actual setting, Where I was getting real communication and able to verify it through somehow I was telepathically tapping into it.
	What year were you there with her?
	Oh, that's a good question.
	It's probably in the last approximately five to seven years ago.
	You know, not sure.
	Maybe five years ago or so.
	I don't remember the exact year, actually.
	But so much has happened, my life is just, you know, back to back.
	Because I travel, I do interviews, and then I find out information.
	And, you know, that information builds on other information, and then so it goes.
	So it's kind of never a dull moment.
	In that regard, at least for the past 15 years that I've been doing this project.
	So when I was in India, I was also getting communication with what was in essence the blue Syrian beings that are like in the X-Men.
	I think it's called Mystique is depicted as one of the blue Syrians.
	So I was just getting my own downloads, so I was very aware of the Syrian beings while I was there, and that happens to me.
	I went to Mount Shasta, and I was starting to communicate right when I arrived with the Telos people in what's called Telos.
	Quite honestly, I didn't know anything about Telos at the time.
	It just came in.
	I got the word Telos, and then I got a lot of communication with the beings.
	They were basically telling me that that area of Shasta was being taken over by the reptilians, at least the surface of it.
	And this was actually, I think it was 2010.
	I went there to speak at a small conference with Sean David Morton and several other people.
	And so that was quite shocking.
	It was...
	Kind of heart-rending, you might say.
	And I also was looking around at the scenery, you know, the area where I was right after arriving and seeing that there was, you know, some kind of energetic change in the whole surroundings.
	Now, I haven't been up there since then, so I can't say what has happened subsequently to that time.
	But the reptilians had definitely...
	We've come in and been taken over, and there was a great sadness within Telos at the time.
	Wow, so they've taken over the Mount Shasta area.
	I had some notes from what you were saying in your previous video.
	You're saying how the Zionists are descended from the Anunnaki, and they have an agenda going back to an alien race, descended from Enki and Elil.
	And he said, now that Anunnaki are a race that are humanoid, very tall, and also from the elongated heads, found all over the world.
	I've actually done two interviews with Brian Forster, and in Peru, they actually have the museum there, but the real skulls, elongated heads.
	Do you want to talk a bit about that?
	Because I think that really gets to the heart of perhaps what's going on in our political world today, the history behind it, you know?
	Definitely.
	You know, it's really quite bizarre.
	I'm not even sure...
	What the status is at the time.
	The Anunnaki were invaded.
	So it does appear that humanoid races go back to a similar route.
	And the Anunnaki were a humanoid race, and they were descended from the Pleiadians, believe it or not, and a break-off, I guess, group, and then going rogue in their own way.
	And then they had their own planet, obviously Nibiru, and that was invaded by the Draco.
	And those Draco took over and made what are, in essence, reptilian armies.
	Humanoid hybrids.
	So that's some of the Anunnaki that we see out there.
	Whereas they're depicted on the temples of Iraq and also Egypt and Iran, and you see they're humanoid.
	But there's also a race of reptilians there, and people have...
	Seeing sort of a reptilian, what appears to be a reptilian-human hybrid that may be related to the Anunnaki strain.
	So at any rate, then the Anunnaki came to Earth, invaded this place, and this is where they also put in their own DNA in some of the humanoid races that were already on surface Earth.
	So some of those races really...
	I think if you want to go back in time really far, then you probably would find out that there was no indigenous races to Earth, you know, that eventually we all came from the stars.
	But what we call the root races were the early races, and those include things like the American Indians or Native Americans and also basically the Mayans, the Incas, and so on.
	So they too were invaded and influenced by this Anunnaki group, which everyone knows Enki Enlil and Anu and so on.
	But they, you know, it's funny because they get a lot of focus in our world, at least in my sector.
	As some people think they created humanity, which they did not.
	What they did is they came and they put their DNA into a What was, in essence, a composite of 12 DNA races already.
	And for more of that history, I always recommend Ashion and Dean's Voyager series, a series of two books.
	They're on the front page of my website.
	Highly recommended.
	Extremely involved story about the different wars with different races, how they came in, colonized various races around the galaxies.
	And so, you know, obviously it didn't all start up planet Earth.
	And so that's the story.
	It's really a story of basically genetic engineering and re-engineering of various races and by various races.
	And that continues to this day.
	Of course, we have the Gray Human Hybrid Program.
	That's quite well known.
	And David Jacobs is documenting their interaction here on Earth.
	At this point, that program has been highly successful and also ongoing for at least 50, 70 years.
	And so you've got children growing up that are gray-human hybrids, but you've got a huge influx that happened around, I don't know, maybe the 60s or 70s when our military was making deals with the grays and trying to get them to go south To South America and actually Mexico, Central America, because what they were also more than willing to do because they had more root races down there.
	And so that provides a better platform when you're genetically engineering a species because it can weaken a species.
	It's kind of people that know genetic engineering will probably know what I'm talking about.
	And so the white races are already a hybrid race, if you can appreciate.
	So that's a hybrid with a hybrid.
	And genetically re-engineering a hybrid, whereas if you go to the root races, they're less hybridized, I guess.
	So they have a more stable genetic pool and there's less harm happening and they tend to take on the new genetics, I guess, smoother and stay alive in the process, obviously, which is a big part of it.
	And so now we have...
	And I have talked about this.
	No one else seems to pick up on it.
	But there was a lot of talk about the gray human hybrid program, much more so, I think, more like 10 years ago.
	But, of course, as I say, these beings are now, you know, at least some are 10 years old, some are 50 years old, you know.
	And so I have to say that they broke their treaties with our government and the various aspects of our government.
	I just found out a really interesting fact.
	I hope you don't mind if I go a little bit off.
	Oh, that's fine.
	Just love to hear you talk.
	No, because I interviewed this fascinating man whose name is John Carman.
	You might know of him.
	He's a former Secret Service agent.
	So he was guarding...
	Well, yeah, I just saw that this morning.
	Just interviewed him this week.
	That's right.
	And it was really an interesting synchronicity that he contacted me while Trump is here in the Los Angeles area.
	I live north of L.A. Tricky-dicky!
	Maybe he had something to hide.
	Well, it actually sort of reveals that he was a lot smarter than maybe people gave him credit for, understanding that these races were not all positive.
	And then what happened was he was in the Bay of Pigs.
	He was one of the key principals in the attack on the Bay of Pigs.
	And then if you jump to my information from Captain Mark Richards, you'll know that he recently announced in Interview 10 that the Bay of Pigs Cuban Missile Crisis was Actually, nothing like what people think it was.
	So that it was...
	You said it was an ET-related.
	There's two things, though.
	The Bay of Pigs was 1961 around April, and the Cuban Missile Crisis was October 62.
	There's two things.
	Do you mean the Cuban Missile Crisis of 62?
	No, I'm talking about...
	Well, yes, I'm talking about both of those incidents.
	That's why I mentioned both of them.
	I mean, in other words, we're talking about...
	ET. What is, in essence, an invasionary force that had to be reckoned with.
	And this was what Kennedy was actually dealing with.
	And probably part of his motivation for wanting to go to Dallas and reveal the whole thing, which is what he was hoping to do, apparently, according to Mark.
	Mark actually knew John F. Kennedy.
	He revealed that in my, actually, the interview I'm about to release.
	So what I'm saying here is if you look at the through line of Nixon dealing with Eisenhower in the early days before he became Nixon was not vice.
	I guess he was vice president then.
	He was vice president of Eisenhower.
	Yeah, before he was president.
	Yeah.
	Because what happened is I wrote an article.
	I don't know if you're familiar with my article called Presidents Who Know Too Much.
	But in that article, which is available on my website, and I can bring it.
	You have to just go to articles on the top menu and you'll find it.
	But what happens is there's a guy who's written a book all about Watergate and how Watergate was a hoax.
	It's called Watergate Hoax.
	CIA hoax, you're saying.
	Exactly.
	And so I started an investigation.
	I mean, I really did some investigation around this.
	And I talked to certain individuals off the record that were associated with L. Ron Hubbard.
	And I know a great deal about the remote viewing program and SRI and Hal Pudoff, and I've been following that trail for many years, Ingo Swann, etc.
	So a lot of this stuff kind of was fitting together for me very well.
	And then I got this intuition, based on what Mark had been telling me about Bay of Pigs, that Nixon actually knew more than he was revealing.
	Because there's a very key article out there that I quote in my article.
	And put a link so people can see that this top investigator is like an investigative journalist, right?
	Who is, I think he's written a book about the takedown, you know, Watergate and the takedown of Nixon and so on.
	At any rate, in his story, he talks about people seeing the president, Nixon, as he was president, getting more and more obsessed with Bay of Pigs and using that as a kind of code For something that went on during that time, but he would never reveal to anyone.
	He called it that whole bay of pigs thing.
	And people thought he meant the Kennedy assassination, because we know that was a government, CIA, Israel thing to get the atomic bomb.
	But we thought the whole, he called it that whole bay of pigs thing.
	That's exactly right.
	He was obsessed.
	It's great that you're on this trail.
	And so what happens is, it turns out, You can put two and two together and realize that he was actually talking about this ET issue that he already knew about from when he was VP with Eisenhower.
	And now I've got this guy, John Carman, who's validating everything that I was kind of putting in my article about Nixon, which is amazing.
	And John Carman has first-hand exposure to this world, right?
	He started guarding Ford and, you know, so he goes back quite a ways and he's obviously in that community.
	Now, he has to be very careful about what he reveals, you know, his national security oath and all that sort of thing.
	But he's, he basically, I mean, it's a great interview.
	I have to highly recommend it because he, he actually, he, you know, I asked him questions no one else asks, of course.
	And so he's validating the secret space program, bases on the moon and Mars, you know, the whole nine yards.
	And this is like a very, you know, laced up, straight.
	He was a customs agent as well.
	He became a whistleblower because the customs on the border wasn't being on the up and up.
	And he started reporting that.
	Um, So he did that after he was a Secret Service agent.
	I mean, this guy is, you know, he's like really straight American, you know, whatever you want to call that.
	And here he's revealing exactly, you know, validating everything that we have been saying at Camelot for all these years and many people out there, perhaps yourself as well.
	So anyway, I know I've gone kind of like in a big circle maybe, but you can circle back or ask me whatever.
	Yeah.
	I want to mention, I'm a Buddhist teacher, and the Buddha said that humans descended from devas.
	Devas are like angels, but the term deva means anything from above.
	It could be extraterrestrial, angel, you know.
	So, yeah, I believe we could have descended from aliens.
	Also, you mentioned in one of your previous videos, that one, that 12,000 B.C., A race came down.
	I'm just wondering, these Draco-Reptilians, if they're actually the Jewish race of today, like they want to rule the world, and it seems like the Roshel Zionists told me you just have an agenda for a couple centuries or more, a long time, to take over the world.
	Are these those people?
	In other words, I'm sorry, I don't quite get...
	What are you saying?
	Who wants to take over?
	Well, I think, well, you said 12,000 BC. I think you said the Dracos came down and the reptilian Dracos were trying to take over.
	I'm just wondering, like, today...
	No, that's the Anunnaki.
	The Draco and the Anunnaki are not the same thing.
	The Draco are from the Draco Galaxy, and the Draco actually are the top of the food chain, as they say.
	Yeah, I guess I was mistaken.
	So the Anunnaki, are those the Jews of today?
	That's my question.
	Like the Roshel Zionists, are those the Anunnaki?
	Yes.
	I mean, the bloodlines, in terms of bloodline, this gets into the work of Barry Shamish, who is a Jewish investigative reporter.
	Who was actually fairly mainstream, but got involved in investigating a certain thing about the Anunnaki.
	Walking around Israel and walking into housewives.
	They're really tall guys.
	I wonder how tall.
	You said they're very tall in your video, but how tall?
	Seven feet or how tall?
	What do they look like?
	Well, I think that they were nine feet.
	I think that the Anunnaki were very, very tall.
	That makes sense.
	But the giants go like above 12 feet.
	So giants could be 24 feet tall or even higher.
	But these Israeli housewives, I wonder how tall those guys were.
	Well, the difference is that nowadays, the Anunnaki have sort of changed their appearance more so.
	They've also, I guess, maybe even genetically engineered their own sort of race in the process, but the bottom line is they have a strong amount of reptilian DNA, and they are humanoid, but at the same time,
	they have a very strong tie to the Israeli bloodline, the bloodline that Yeah, you mentioned that.
	Yeah, you mentioned that.
	So this is an underground base, Demona, Israel, you're saying?
	Demona is like their nuclear base, is what they call it, but it's much more than that.
	You're saying underground, they run Israel from there, you're saying the Anunnaki?
	Yes, among other places, but the bottom line is also, I mean, as Bob Dean said, they're walking the halls of the Pentagon, so they're here in America as well.
	But I wanted to say is, this is very interesting information.
	A lot of people don't realize that because I'm an investigative journalist and because I've been interviewing, I figure I've interviewed at least a thousand people by now, okay?
	But Some are radio, you know, because I did radio before I did video, and then I started my own video channel.
	I left Revolution Radio and started my own channel.
	I've been on Revolution Radio a year and a half now.
	Tuesday nights from 6 to 8.
	All right.
	Oh, that's good.
	But what I'm saying is that, you know, so I also have off-the-record interviews that I've done, right?
	And so what happens is the...
	Okay, now I've lost my train of thought.
	I'm sorry.
	What you were just saying.
	We're talking about Demona, the bases under Israel.
	Okay, so when I interview people, and someone very astutely told me this.
	Actually, I think it was my partner, Neil.
	He said, you know, you're not like other journalists out there because what you seem to be doing is almost like A lawyer in a courtroom making a case.
	That means that every person I interview is more evidence that I bring forward and try to compare and contrast and see how they fit into this larger picture.
	It's not a bunch of random people that I've interviewed.
	People will notice that I'm very picky about who I interview.
	The reason for that is because I'm on the trail of a story that I've started Like 15 years ago.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I have so much respect for what you're doing.
	I think you're really one of the highest truth tellers in the whole world.
	I think in Canada, I'm trying to get the very highest truths, but I think you're definitely higher than me above me.
	That's why I'm really like a student of your work, because you're going right beyond this planet, the relationship between aliens and humans.
	But yeah, I think you're really getting at the very highest truths on planet Earth.
	Well, thank you.
	That's really very kind of you to say.
	But what I wanted to say about all this is that there's a guy named Keith Hunter, who I've interviewed a number of times, who's written a couple books now, I think.
	And he's a very diligent, careful researcher.
	And he's come forward with some very interesting theories.
	And it doesn't mean he's correct about everything.
	But one of his things that he talks about is how military bases are all built on ley lines.
	Where the ley lines converge and create, in essence, vortexes.
	So if you have an intersection of ley lines, and if you look at the work of Maria Wheatley, who's my partner in taking tours to Europe and is a wonderful investigator and dowser, when you follow the ley lines, you find out these are power places.
	So the military isn't stupid, and it's the same way that they build churches and how they want to control humanity, and there's a whole story behind that.
	But bottom line is that Demona is built on one such intersecting place, as is Pine Gap, as is Menwith Hill in England, and that these are connected in a kind of a triangle, if you will, of power.
	So it's not accidental what goes on here.
	They have worked all this out in advance, and so that adds to their ability to control certain grids, To control, let's say, nuclear explosions and multiple other things.
	Also to go into time travel, to go into portals, to change dimensions, etc.
	And Damona, again, is a place, a center for time travel in Israel.
	And Montauk is another such place.
	Los Alamos is another place like that.
	Menwith Hill, etc.
	And there's other places as well.
	So, just saying how these things are all connected.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so I guess I'm interested in some of the race and the history of these.
	There's so many different aliens.
	I was thinking, you know, the end of the Bronze Age around...
	1200 BC it seems like civilization collapsed and the Egyptian others talked about the sea people came up they may have resembled reptilians and wonder if that was a war between the Anakis and the Reptilians and the Draco-Reptilians were conquering the Anunnaki and then our bloodlines getting mixed from that point but civilization collapsed.
	Are you talking about Atlantis?
	Are you talking about the time of it after Atlantis or during Atlantis?
	Well I mean Well, the collapse of the Bronze Age, it seems, all over the world within about a 15-year period.
	Oh, no.
	See, that would be very recent history.
	You know, the trouble with that, I don't subscribe to these ages that are in conventional history.
	So when you say collapse of Bronze Age, are you talking like 500 BC? Is that what you're referring to?
	It was 1200 BC, and it seems all along the coastline there was an evasion from the sea.
	They called them the sea people.
	They may have been described as looking somewhat reptilian.
	Well, that's around the time of what is considered to be, I believe, the fall of Atlantis.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	And so that's when they abandoned Atlantis.
	They went in through the Mediterranean and they went into places like Malta and Egypt and Iraq and Iran, etc.
	So, you know, it's very possible.
	They were talking about Atlanteans.
	Yeah.
	Because, hey, you said in your previous video that the Anunnaki were invaded eons ago by the Draco, and so then there was a hybrid race of humanoid Anunnaki mixed with reptilian DNA, and you said to call it the Syrian Anunnaki.
	Consequently, there's confusion in the sector over the fact that Anunnaki can be humanoid or reptilian hybrids.
	I guess it is confusing trying to guess sort of what we are a result of today, or say Israelis have a kind of particular bloodline, right, with the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Yes.
	I guess it's trying to figure out the bloodline and are they on the side of...
	I think of the Rothschilds have a relationship with reptilians.
	Isn't that true?
	I think of the City of London as a big power center.
	And are those Draco reptilians?
	I think, is Lord Jacob, like, is he the Pindar?
	Is he the CEO of planet Earth?
	Or is it one of these Rothschilds?
	We don't know, right?
	Do you have any guess?
	Well, Rothschild means red shield.
	So the Rothschilds are not the head.
	They are the shield that hides the head.
	Oh!
	Yeah, so that's key.
	I didn't know that.
	So it's important to realize that they're not, yeah, they're not what people think.
	Yeah.
	So, I was just trying to see if I could get a real date for the fall of Atlantis.
	I guess maybe there's different dates, but in fact, Ashany Dean says it fell more than once, that it was intact.
	You know the history of like 12,850 years ago is considerable evidence that there was comet fragments that hit the north, like the work of Graham Hancock, that that was a big collapse and there was probably an advanced ancient global civilization prior to that that That got wiped out.
	That was a long time ago.
	That's like 12,850 years ago.
	Right.
	That would be...
	Well, again, that would be the fall of Atlantis, right?
	Yeah, I think that's the fall of Atlantis.
	Whereas 1200 BC was just the Collapse of Bronze Age.
	It's two different things, yeah.
	But there was also the fall of Mu.
	There was a huge explosion where a part of the island of Atlantis split off before the actual meteor hit.
	So it happened twice, according to the history written in the Voyager books.
	So just to say, it wasn't just once.
	And the second time was when it completely went under the ocean, so to speak.
	Yeah.
	I want to get the book.
	You recommended book two.
	It's perhaps the best place to start.
	It's an e-book.
	That's right.
	It's like $20.
	It's, you know, super cheap.
	Yeah, I want to get that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's awesome.
	So, was there anything else that you were asking me that I didn't...
	You know, reply to or something?
	Or did you have something else?
	Yeah, you mentioned the work of David Eichow.
	Project Camelot goes much further than David Eichow.
	He talks about the reptilians and the Rothschild, but you seem to go a lot further in your work over all these years.
	So that's what really interests me.
	Like, anything else you can say about the relationship of the various aliens to human power?
	And you talked a lot about different countries on Earth have an alliance with different aliens, like China, Russia, United States, Israel.
	Do you want to comment a bit on that?
	That's very fascinating, how to figure all this out.
	You know, I'm not an expert.
	It's only through my interviews that I found out a lot of what I'm talking about.
	You know, in other words, putting it together.
	So Mark Richards has been one of the best witnesses in terms of talking about the kind of Reptilian rule, current reptilian rule, okay, around the planet and also things related to the past as well.
	And so, for example, we know that ISIS has been paid to demolish the signs of the reptilian rule on planet Earth, and that those are in lots of the temples in Syria that have been demolished, and probably in Iraq as well, when initially we invaded Iraq.
	So does that mean they're working for the reptilians to hide the evidence of their own past?
	They're trying to hide it from humanity.
	It appears that, yes.
	It is quite strange in my view that suddenly they want to hide it.
	You know what I'm saying?
	In other words, bad PR, I'm not sure what is going on.
	They seem to be coming out but hiding it.
	Like David Icke said, they were on the face of the earth and they were seen by humans and then they decided for some reason to go underground thousands of years ago.
	Do you think that makes sense?
	Yes, but also from what I understand, you know, reptilians go interdimensional.
	So they exist in what is known as, I think, the fourth dimension.
	And they, like greys, cannot stay on our surface that long.
	You know, I want to comment that from a Buddhist view, like in Buddhist cosmology, the Buddha described six heavens in the central sphere.
	In the first heaven he describes Nagas, which are serpent-like, snake-like, or reptilian.
	So some Buddhists think that these Nagas are the reptilian.
	The Buddha even specifically stated that they're well known for being shapeshifters.
	A lot of these devas are shapeshifters, but one of the defining characteristics of Nagas is they're shapeshifters.
	The Buddha even described during his lifetime When Naga took the form of a human being so they could ordain as a Buddhist monk, and he fell asleep, went back to his Naga form.
	He said, sorry, you know, you can't be a monk because you're not a human being, and you have to leave.
	So this is orthodox Buddhism, is that Nagas are reptilian-looking, and they can take on human form.
	So I've talked to monks about this, and they have different views about it.
	Maybe they don't want to talk about it.
	They don't want to talk to me.
	But that's my theory, is that...
	And the Buddha even described it, I have on my website, my worldview, one discourse the Buddha would describe good Nagas and that the lower Naga vassals are wicked, evil, causing a lot of problems.
	So there's good ones and there's bad ones.
	So this could explain.
	Yes, and this is true, and Mark has talked about this, that there are good Draco.
	Because in the end, what you're calling a Naga would probably be a Draco.
	And a Draco, there are these Shakars, you may have heard of them, which are considered to be Draco royalty, and they have wings.
	And I've actually seen a Shakar, so I'm very aware of them.
	Let's put it that way.
	And by the way, they are huge statues in front of the Mandalay Bay.
	In Vegas.
	Of the Draco.
	Okay, the Shakars.
	Wow.
	So that's very significant.
	So they're tall, white, with wings, right?
	Tall, when you say tall, white.
	So the higher royalty Dracos, they're white with wings?
	Is that what they look like?
	Actually, I didn't say the color.
	And I wouldn't necessarily think they have to be white, either.
	But they definitely have wings, and they're called the Shakars.
	Do you want to talk about your own experiences, like what you've seen?
	In your videos, you're saying that you don't actually see beings, but you see light beings.
	Do you want to describe some of your own experiences?
	Right.
	But I have seen beings.
	It's more in what we would call or term the dream space, right?
	Where I've actually seen.
	But in the case of the Shakars, I actually was awake when I saw one.
	And I actually did see the form, but it was a weird kind of awakeness.
	I was about to go into a meditation, and it was early morning, and I basically, this is long before Camelot, and I didn't believe, I think at some point I'd seen the TV series V, and I always used to think it was really stupid that they always use reptilians for like the bad guys and stuff, and I never believed that there was those kinds of reptilians walking around, right?
	Yeah.
	So I went into this meditation and I suddenly slipped into this interdimensional space and I saw a big huge Draco, which was a Shakar, flying by me.
	And it flew by me going that way, like that.
	And at the same time it was aware of me and I was aware of it.
	So I knew there was consciousness there.
	And it was so unexpected that, you know, I didn't even know what to do.
	I was sort of frozen in space.
	And then suddenly, you know, it sort of was that kind of communication, basically sort of saying that it was there, it was real, and it had power, and it wanted me to be aware of it.
	So after that, obviously, I had no trouble in believing that V was real and You know, that the ideas behind V are real and that, you know, the Draco exist and that the Shakars exist.
	And since then, I've had some other beings that have shown up in my dream space where I've actually...
	I saw a reptilian-human hybrid in line in the cafeteria.
	I know it sounds kind of weird.
	In a dream space when I was a contractor at JPL, Jet Propulsion Lab.
	And anyway, I had this...
	Sort of flashback.
	And it was humanoid, but it had this like white skin with these little tiny scale-like things, like the bottom, like the belly of a lizard kind of thing.
	And it was quite creepy, and he was a very sinister guy.
	So I saw that, for what it's worth.
	And, you know, I mean, I've had other interactions.
	I think I've I might have talked about this before, so I don't like to repeat myself on a lot of interviews, but since you're asking, I also communicated with, I'm not sure what his name is, but what happened was I had this interaction with this little old man who came and sat by my bed all night talking to me, and he was very kind of short and little, and He was talking and talking all night long.
	And then, you know, sitting in a chair, like, you know, with a bald head and the whole thing.
	And I asked him, like, I was about to come awake and into this reality.
	And I said, wait a minute, where are you from?
	And he said, Andromeda.
	And so then I woke up.
	And then a couple years later, I was reading Defending Sacred Ground.
	And found out that, you know, Alex Collier had had dealings with this little old man who was representing Andromeda.
	And he sounded and looked, you know, the description, what I thought of him, was the same being.
	So it was a, you might say, a synchronicity.
	Or maybe it really was that guy and came and visited me.
	I don't know.
	But he definitely, a little bald guy.
	And at the time, I... You know, I knew about ETs and everything, but I expected to see, you know, an exotic, weird, you know, shaped ET, whatever it was.
	And then when I find out it was like this little old man that didn't look unusual in any way, I was very disappointed thinking, oh great, so here's my ET and he looks just like any little old man type of thing.
	Anyway, it's just funny.
	So, yeah, I've had multiple experiences with various entities, discarnate entities, things of this nature.
	It's kind of a very, you know, it's a long saga, but it comes out once in a while in an interview when someone mentions something that I've already come across in my own, obviously, experiences.
	Sometimes I'll mention it and sometimes I won't.
	Well, you know, from a Buddhist view...
	When you're in meditation, that's the time you have a relationship with a Dave or see a Dave or some people feel it or get mental impressions.
	But like Grant Cameron says, UFOs is really about consciousness and And it's about the experiencer, so it's very much about consciousness.
	So, from a Buddhist view, for 2,500 years, well, yeah, that's a way to relate to devas.
	There's good ones and there's bad ones.
	There's wise ones and some frivolous ones.
	So, that really makes sense that you would see this kind of draco or whatever it is, reptilian, you know, seeing a naga or having a relationship with a naga.
	I mean, Buddhists have been doing that, you know.
	So that's very impressive.
	That seems to be so real.
	And Buddhist cosmologists, they're low, the Nagas.
	They're in the first heaven.
	You know, there's like Tahuatimsa heaven, the second heaven, has these emerald green devas and Tahuatimsa heaven with Sokka and his 33 principal devas and goes on and on and on.
	So I always wonder what's the relationship, because I'm a Buddhist with that worldview, our cosmology of Davis to the actual real ET situation.
	So it's probably a big interface between what you know and Buddhist cosmology.
	That could be a whole other video.
	Yeah, I think that's quite fascinating.
	And I, you know, I have studied Eastern philosophies, and I've studied the I Ching, and I've studied Buddhism, Taoism, and Zen.
	You know, Zen and so on.
	And I have also studied those things in prior lives.
	So I have...
	I actually was regressed by a woman when I was quite young, like in my early 20s.
	And she did...
	I don't know how accurate this is, but she did some kind of test on me.
	And she said, oh, well, you are an old soul and you know all the religions.
	Yeah.
	And you know, I can't say consciously, I know everything about all religions, but I certainly feel an affinity with certain ones and I feel very comfortable around...
	You know, Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, and also India.
	I'm very comfortable in India.
	I've had a number of lifetimes there, and also Tibet.
	In fact, I have gone to Shambhala, and I feel very comfortable in Shambhala.
	So, I have some very direct relationship there as well.
	Yeah, actually, I started Buddhism in 1991 with the Shambhala.org organization, the Tibetan Buddhist organization.
	I'm now a I'm a Theravada Buddhist.
	I was a Buddhist monk in Thailand, but the Theravada Buddhist cosmology is sort of the oldest, most orthodox form of Buddhism.
	The Buddha is very detailed, about 31 planes of existence.
	The Deva is above that, the Brahma is above that, Nirvana, then the lower realms, the ghostly realms.
	So it explains all kinds of demonic, negative, lower spirits, higher spirits.
	All of that is quite detailed, so it would be good to sort of relate that to You know, people's experiences in ufology today, you know, with consciousness and alien beings.
	Well, I mean, I think, yeah, a lot of this, all of this knowledge, I mean, even the Nazis knew, a lot of the knowledge is in what we call the Upanishads and the old books of India.
	So there's no doubt about that.
	And of course, the, you know, Tibetan Book of the Dead, etc.
	Yeah, I have a real interest in National Socialist Germany, too.
	One of Linda Moulton Howell's talks, she was saying that World War II was really an alien award that the Hebrews had their aliens, I think, maybe the reptilians, and that the German National Socialists had the white Nordics.
	Do you want to comment on that?
	What's your interpretation of National Socialist Germany and their relationship with the higher realms?
	Yeah, I would say that their relationship is with the race from Aldebaran.
	I would say that my interview with William Tompkins reveals a lot of the history of the Nazis and who they were.
	Now, they were helped also by this group that, I guess, may have been from Aldebaran that Maria Orsic was dealing with, which do appear to be, to some degree, humanoid.
	But lately, I've been delving into the races, or at least the race from Aldebaran, and they don't appear to be Nordic, as you're calling them.
	They appear that way, but they're actually...
	I think they've got some reptilian in them so that they're actually reptilian-humanoid hybrids of a certain kind.
	And it, of course, is very difficult.
	Now, one thing that in my recent interview with Mark, which was just like a few weeks ago that I'm working very hard to get out, Maybe I'll even get it out today if I'm lucky.
	But I've had a lot of interference, by the way, that's quite interesting.
	I recorded the whole thing and then they put glitches, either the government or something.
	like I wasn't online even.
	And yet the video came out with all these video glitches that tell me what I used to, it used to happen to me during certain interviews like on John Lear and various ones where- Yeah, you're being watched.
	It gets sent a pulse.
	And what the pulse does is cuts.
	It does an interruption on the audio and the video.
	And so you see a tiny little jump like that.
	And they did it all through the entire thing I did.
	So now I have to record the whole thing again.
	I mean, it's crazy, you know.
	But at any rate, this is the kind of thing that goes on.
	So lately, he said that there are, I think he said eight reptoid species that So, you know, we're dealing with really hundreds of millions of different ET species, and some are coming here to the Earth, and some obviously haven't come here yet.
	Then there's the AI species that come, some along with the various alien races, and some on their own, having demolished, come from a planet that has been long since abandoned and or demolished.
	And so we're dealing with a lot of races.
	Some, you know, back in the day of Clifford Stone, who was a wonderful witness.
	Yeah, I've seen him.
	He talked about, you know, something like 57 or 54 alien races.
	And a lot of people sort of hold on to that.
	But we're way beyond that now, okay?
	So, anyway, for what it's worth.
	I did one video with...
	And he was describing some information that there was these aliens on a planet with a star slowly dying.
	So they came here thousands of years ago and they're basically working through the The Israeli, Jewish, Hebrews, whatever, to slowly take over the world within our society.
	People always wonder, well, why don't they just come and invade and take over the place?
	But they have their ways of doing things.
	We don't understand how healing works.
	So his theory is they came from another planet and they're working through, you know, the Hebrews.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
	There is the race from Aldebaran that has been given Africa, which I've talked about in the past, and so has Gordon Duff from Veterans Today.
	You may know Gordon Duff is CIA, but nonetheless...
	You said they're given territory on another planet in exchange for Africa, right?
	We were given places, other Earth-like planets to colonize.
	So human beings were...
	This is within our secret space program, I assume it's the Rothschilds who's ever behind them.
	Well, yeah, they're involved.
	I mean, the Dark Magicians are all involved, and Rothschilds are among them.
	But at any rate, the race from Aldebaran was given Africa, and apparently there are some issues with that right now.
	But I'm not sure whether that's the race that the Israelis are dealing with.
	I know the Israelis are dealing specifically with the Anunnaki, and it could be that they're still...
	That would be under Marduk at this time, actually.
	So that, you know, for what it's worth, I don't know this person that you're talking about.
	Like, I don't know that person's name, so I don't know their work.
	He's done a lot of articles for American Free Pet Press and the Barnes Review.
	He lives around Maryland.
	We've done about 70 videos together.
	I've got a whole playlist of his talks.
	You should send me the link.
	I'd love to see that.
	He's got a lot of knowledge, wisdom, history.
	He really puts things together over the centuries.
	He's been at this for 25 years.
	He'd be a good guest to interview.
	He sounds fascinating.
	One of my mentors.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, there's so much more I could ask you about.
	You wrote in that essay how negotiations about nuclear weapons cover for ET negotiations.
	I read these theories and saw videos that the nuclear weapons we had in Hiroshima, some people say, well, it never really happened.
	They faked it with firebombs.
	I think nuclear weapons exist, but there's this theory that they don't exist, that it's something like a bogey man to scare us with.
	And so I'm just wondering, what do you mean by negotiation of nuclear weapons as a cover for ET negotiations?
	What's really going on there?
	When they talk about Iran building or North Korea?
	I mean, nukes definitely and nuclear power exist.
	Nuclear power exists.
	Oh yeah, nuclear power exists.
	Whether the weapons work or not.
	I think they exist too, but there's this theory that, well, maybe they don't.
	Okay, well, for what it's worth, my information is not only do they work, but, of course, they've been exploded in many places, and we use them in the war with ETs, or have in the past, but we've been given some fairly new technology by the Pleiadians, allowing us to close portals without but we've been given some fairly new technology by the Pleiadians, allowing us to close portals without using nukes, which in the past, the so-called tests with nukes that were in Nevada, etc., were actually battles with aliens that we Okay.
	Yeah.
	This whole thing, when you see, it's just something that I was told by an insider, when you see some big thing, like right now they're saying, oh, Iran wants to get nuclear weapons.
	This is completely absurd because they already have them, first of all.
	And secondly, nukes are old technology.
	There's so much more beyond nukes at this point and use for warfare, etc.
	That when they're talking about nukes, they're actually talking about, again, their ET issues.
	And so when they're saying Iran wants nuclear weapons, you have to remember that I interviewed this Iranian physicist called M.T. Keshe.
	A number of times, actually, who came out of Iran and out of the nuclear program.
	He was a nuclear physicist and still is a nuclear physicist.
	And he's still loyal to Iran, although he left Iran.
	And so his obsession, of course, is free energy.
	And this is what Iran is also obsessed with.
	So their development is very in advance of nuclear weapons, and it gets into AI, and of course it gets into free energy, zero-point energy, whatever you want to call it.
	And they, I think, are quite far along on that trajectory.
	And this gets into, I was hoping to speak about this a little bit, What is the current desire to focus a warlike effort on Iran is not over nukes.
	It's over free energy.
	So they don't want them to give the world free energy.
	They don't want that because then the masses would be liberated.
	They don't want that.
	Yes.
	And they also don't want the race of reptoids that apparently is dominating Iran at this time.
	At least that's what I'm being told.
	Yes.
	To take precedence in the Middle East and or the rest of the world.
	So there are good sides and bad sides to having issues with Iran, but they're nothing to do with trying to get nuclear weapons.
	That's like so old school.
	So it's really frustrating that, of course, the mainstream public is being fed this complete nonsense.
	And it also is an ET battle.
	A lot of people think that, you know, very negative things about humanity, but the bottom line is humanity is descended from the ETs.
	You know, we are them, they are us.
	But nonetheless, because as a hybrid, you know, culture, world culture, We are not the bloodthirsty beings that people depict us as or think of us as.
	I agree.
	It's because of our ET heritage.
	And some of us, of course, are more sort of, with those various ETs, the more negative, what we call negatively based, which they're not negative, you know, to their own...
	Kind.
	They're very positive to their own kind, but they're very self-centered, and they believe that others are subordinate to them.
	It goes Draco, reptilian, gray.
	There's a pecking line, and the ones at the very top are considered to be the Draco, although...
	There's another race of what are called, I call them dragon moths, and there is some question as to whether or not they're actually going mano-mano with the Draco, so I haven't gotten a clear picture on that.
	I know Ashiana Dean talks about them, and that they're extremely fearsome.
	And strangely, there's a picture, actually it's a huge carving in one of the main Sydney airports of a dragon moth, right in the middle of the airport.
	It's unbelievable.
	So what their investment is in Australia, I don't know, but that cannot be an accident.
	So I'm interested in the relationship between you mentioned the reptoids in Iran and And Israel.
	So are the Israelis, they are higher form, like Dracos, and they're trying to put down the Iranian reptilians?
	What's the relationship there?
	Well, actually, it's still a mystery to me.
	I do understand that Saudi Arabia, the U.S., and Israel are like a triangle of sort of power, if you will.
	And they're partners, okay?
	They're not enemies.
	It's like the fact that Israel and Saudi Arabia would be enemies is for the public's display.
	Yeah, they're not.
	But they are against Iran, so it does appear that arch enemies are Saudi Arabia and Iran.
	And Israel is actually, at least as far as I can tell, tangential to this.
	It's not the focus.
	But Israel, of course, as a very small city-state, because I believe it's run by Britain and the US, it's a partnership, whatever, with the Anunnaki.
	And so, in essence, we're talking about a very tiny entity.
	That can feed off certain advantages that go on within these political battles that go on with the larger powers, so to speak.
	Now, Iran's heritage goes back to Persia, and this is a very ancient race, of course, and has a very lofty lineage in its own way, and bloodline.
	And it's quite an interesting bloodline that actually relates more to the Anglo-Saxons and that kind of lineage in Germanic.
	Yeah, like Aryan, right?
	Yeah, Aryan.
	And so what I'm saying is I have been trying to get to the root of why these certain cultures are enemies, but...
	I know they are enemies.
	I know how the playing field sort of looks.
	But I've never gotten to the absolute historical root of the race that settled Iran versus the race that settled Saudi Arabia and what their real, you know, deep issues are.
	Well, we know in our sort of human history that, say, the...
	The Jewish supremacists for 2,000 years, they basically hated Rome, hated European, hate white European Christian society.
	Politically, they've been enemies for a long time, so I wonder if that's playing itself out amongst the aliens.
	I think of the United States and Europe.
	It's being subordinate to Israel rather than the other way around.
	I think Israel is dominant to the United States.
	Like when Nat and Andrew gave his talk to the Senate, you know, he gets 26 standing ovations, you know, and every American president sort of has to bow to Israel.
	All the congressmen and senators all bow to Israel.
	I kind of think of the other way around that they're dominant.
	It's a power center because it's dominated by the Anunnaki, and the Anunnaki like to think that they run the world.
	But the bottom line is they don't, actually.
	And so if you really delve into it, There's actually more kids on the block, as they say.
	China is now dealing with another race of aliens that are quite unsavory, from what I understand, including the reptilians, or at least one of the races, the reptilians.
	And then we talk about Antarctica and how John Kerry went down there, how the Roman Catholic Pope went down there, Technology that was under the Kaaba stone in Saudi Arabia.
	In other words, there's a mystery as to what race is going on and running Antarctica, and there is some evidence that It could be the insectoids, for example.
	Antartica.
	Yeah, you mentioned that when you read the videos.
	Antartica makes me think.
	I don't know this, but I'm trying to, like anyone, I try to put this picture together, but you can't get away from the power centers and the fact that certain individuals have to go to certain places.
	And this has been going on, by the way, since the time of the Kennedy administration, When a certain individual during, right around the time when Kennedy was killed, actually went to Antarctica.
	He was sent to Antarctica.
	So there's some kind of negotiation goes on with the race down there that we have...
	Who has some kind of rulership control.
	Now, of course, the Nazis have established the New Berlin base.
	And there are signs of...
	Now, is that true?
	Like, I know the Germans went there in the 30s.
	I think it's true that the National Socialists have a base in Antarctica.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, there's a huge amount of Nazi stuff going on in both Argentina and Antarctica.
	But at any rate...
	And so they're definitely involved.
	And they're involved with whatever races we're talking about.
	But which races, you know, it starts to get kind of difficult.
	And then also, what they're discovering under the ice in Antarctica is signs of Atlantis, technology from Atlantis.
	And it's quite substantial.
	And there is a book that I always recommend when I do talks, and it's...
	Linda Moulton Howell is aware of it, because one of her key witnesses about Antarctica talked about this author...
	I saw those videos, yeah.
	And it's called something like The Rising of Atlantis or something.
	And I have, I could pull it up if you want.
	These black basalt structures, maybe 34 million years old, and they've been down there seeing this in hieroglyphics on the walls.
	Right, right.
	But the author was not allowed to release a hardback version of his book, only a Kindle.
	And I'm not sure why that is, but I read the book, and for some reason, you know, this is the kind of detail that maybe escapes most people.
	They listen to Linda, they'll listen to the witness information, but it kind of goes in one ear and out the other, and they never think of investing in the book he's talking about.
	Well, if you want to pull something up or share a screen, that's fine if you want to pull something up.
	Yeah, I'm going to see if it works here while we're talking.
	Yeah, you can use the Skype share screen feature there.
	Oh, alright.
	Yeah, I'm just, I don't know if it's, I might have too many windows open here, so I don't know if it's going to work, but we'll see.
	Anyway, I just wanted to get the author, I think his first name is Steve, as I recall, but it is quite fascinating.
	So, see if I can pull it up here quickly.
	And I have a huge amount of books here.
	So...
	But did you have...
	I'm not sure how long this is going because I think, you know, actually...
	I could back up a bit about China.
	It seems like there's different races of reptoids competing with each other.
	There's like the Israeli-Saudi-American alliance.
	Then there's China.
	You're saying these are different reptilians competing and vying amongst themselves.
	Okay, this is really interesting.
	It's called Rising Atlantis.
	And the author, it looks like somebody might have hacked this, my computer, because it's not showing up here.
	But I think I have it on another device, so hopefully I saved it.
	Did you want to share a screen or just tell us what you're seeing?
	Yeah, I mean, you can see my library.
	That's kind of interesting.
	You can pick whatever screen you want to share.
	We can always edit this as well, right?
	Right.
	Okay, hold one second.
	Let me see if I can do this then.
	Okay, so if I say start sharing, what shows up?
	Yeah, it's working, yeah.
	Now I see my haircut.
	So you see my Kindle?
	Yeah, I see the screen.
	Okay, here's Rising Atlantis.
	You see that?
	And the author is Thomas Greenius.
	Yeah, Greenius.
	Yeah, Greenius.
	C-R-E-A-N-I-A-S. Yeah.
	Yeah, anyway, that's the guy.
	And that's the book.
	And I highly recommend it because he puts a lot of truth in that book.
	And hopefully they haven't deleted it off Amazon in the process because, of course, once I notice something, then it goes viral.
	And then maybe they hoped it was under the radar.
	You're a famous Terry.
	63 million hits on YouTube.
	Wow, I'm starstruck.
	No.
	So, anyway, that's that book.
	And, you know, as I say, it is revealing.
	And it eroded as fiction, but as fiction, it's kind of step-by-step what they're reporting, they're coming across down under the ice in, I keep calling it Atlantis, in Antarctica.
	Okay, so it calls it fiction, but you're saying he's really depicting a lot of the truth.
	Somehow, yeah, it's kind of like a journalist who delved into the story and got a lot of good stuff.
	Yeah, they probably wouldn't allow him to actually publish the truth, so the only way he can do is by fiction, maybe.
	Right, exactly.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so can you comment on, say, the relation we're mentioning on China...
	And the West, like, are they different factions of reptilians?
	Are they totally different races?
	And what about Russia?
	Like, who's who?
	I mean, I guess you don't know for sure, but any speculation about that?
	Well, I know that Mark has said that China is run by the reptilians.
	The idea is that the United States is not run by the reptilians, and that there is a reptilian influence, certainly in the bloodlines of the people that were descended from the Project Paperclip scientists and Apparently,
	that was only one of the programs that brought Nazis over here, but nonetheless, you know, so we have the Germanic background that is involved in our history and in the races here in the United States.
	So, you know, in the end, you can't get away from kind of any of it.
	You know, there's no race that's, like, isolated from this The stuff that happened in our history, in our genetic history, and again, referring this to the Ashana Dean books, and when you start reading it and realizing how much hybridization was going on over the centuries, And millennia.
	You know, it's quite extraordinary.
	And of course, we have a very strong relationship with the Pleiades to this day.
	And the Pleiadians are apparently still helping us.
	But there are factions of Pleiadians.
	So do you think our world politics is just a distraction, a shell game, a ruse?
	We hear about North Korea, people get upset about that.
	Is it something that's just not true?
	They're trying to...
	Like, I talked to a CSIS officer once, like the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.
	He was retired.
	We were on a hike in North Vancouver.
	And he says, well, what they do is they keep people scared and they don't tell them nothing.
	So is our whole political stage something that we shouldn't take too seriously?
	Like from an alien perspective, are they just trying to distract humanity with some false story?
	Like when we talk about North Korea and there's aliens working with North Korea, working with Russia.
	What's your interpretation of political states?
	North Korea is as bold as they are because they are backed by a certain alien race.
	Mark is very clear about that.
	And that race is quite possibly, you know, has a direct relationship as well with China.
	So that, of course, North Korea and China are completely interwound.
	But there is, you know...
	My view is that you should take on board a lot of stuff and try to look for the clues because it's not so much...
	I mean, I was even...
	I guess it was Mark saying that Trump is twittering out pieces of truth, but people don't get it.
	So they don't realize that he's actually trying to tell them something, okay, in certain ways.
	And so it...
	It's a very complex game and we have a lot of, you know, it's an intergalactic struggle, if you will, and it's well worth our time to actually pay attention, I think, not only to the disinfo that they put out there to figure out why they're trying to get somebody to look in a certain direction versus another direction.
	Like I was just saying, why are they talking about this nonsense about nukes?
	But you realize then that there's something underneath that, that it's not a nuke, but it's free energy.
	You see what I'm saying?
	So it is a fight over energy.
	It's a fight over technology and who dominates here on planet Earth.
	And the various races also being in the fight.
	And in a sense, humans being boots on the ground from various racial groups off planet.
	And, you know, so if you look at it that way, then I wouldn't discount things that you think are superficial even.
	I've gotten great information from little tiny pieces of information.
	It could be like this.
	I was just talking about the latest movie called Angel Down, I think it's called.
	And that's actually well worth seeing.
	And, of course, it got panned by the critics.
	The people loved it.
	It's a cliched story.
	But within that cliched story, they have a scene where they show you an actual drone attack that is, I'm told, very accurate.
	And I ran that by the Secret Service guy the other day, John Carman, and he agrees completely.
	So, you know, this is what we're talking about, where you can get, like, information.
	You can actually see...
	What a drone attack looks like, it's actually stunning in this movie.
	I mean, it kind of shows the power behind what are going to be packs of drones and how relentless they can be and how difficult they can be to...
	To escape and or combat.
	So that's in that movie.
	So I don't think anything is off the table.
	And I think there's actually an interesting Amazon series called Carnival.
	I think it's called Carnival.
	And that's part of the name.
	It might have more than one name.
	But anyway...
	In it, the monster is an octopus being, believe it or not, who is linked up with an Anunnaki, you know, black magician witch who sort of commands it.
	Now, it's like an old-time...
	Sort of British drama, but at the same time, it's got elements of truth that they're seeding out there because they're always trying to do disclosure in a way that will not blow back on them.
	Yeah, there are videos that say that octopuses are aliens.
	They can't explain how octopuses could have evolved.
	They seem to be like alien.
	So maybe that's kind of a bit of a disclosure there.
	Well, you know, a long time ago, I forget the name of the book, but there is a very excellent book out there that contained a lot of good information.
	And one of the things it talked about was that one of the first alien races, I think that Eisenhower even mentioned, met with, that nobody talks about, a few people in the UFO field even talk about it, was an octopus, okay?
	So, are you hearing me?
	I hear you now, yeah.
	Maybe try to repeat it.
	One of the first alien races humans ever dealt with is the octopus.
	And this was actually met with Eisenhower.
	And also, it's been depicted in a couple movies.
	You know that movie called...
	God, what was it called?
	It's not Contact, but The Arrival.
	Remember that?
	Oh, I didn't see that.
	Oh, it's actually well worth seeing because a group of octopus-like beings arrive in a spaceship type thing.
	And they interact with them, and they have to try to communicate with them, and they're a quite advanced species.
	But at any rate, so this is what we're talking about.
	You have to follow these little tiny trails, and then eventually you get to the root.
	So there you go.
	Okay, I want to ask you a bit about the Secret Space Program.
	My thesis has been since...
	About the 1950s, they've back-engineered flying saucers.
	They have free energy, anti-gravity, at least since the 60s.
	So they have this breakaway civilization, the secret space program.
	So it's not about the United States or England or Russia.
	They're kind of all together at this, I think of it as some Russia or higher level.
	Is that kind of your thesis?
	And they don't want to give humanity anti-gravity.
	They don't want to give us free energy.
	They want to keep the masses down.
	Is that your thesis?
	Yeah, but it's more complex than that, of course.
	And if you follow the work of Camelot and all the witnesses I've interviewed for 15 years, you'll have a much more in-depth picture of that.
	I haven't seen all of your videos, but you have.
	Well, thank you.
	Yeah, I'm sure.
	You sound quite well-informed.
	But, you know, the thing is that a lot of the people that are coming on the scene right now have a very superficial view because they have only seen certain people out on the sector right now.
	Of course, yeah.
	What Camelot has is a library of information, in essence, and through whistleblowers and various other interviews.
	And then you can also complement that by your own research and reading, etc.
	So it's like a school.
	It basically can educate.
	And certain players, without naming names, Wanted to try to own the idea of the secret space program that was actually brought to the fore by one of our witnesses, Henry Deacon, in the very early days of Camelot.
	And so if you weren't around during those days, you actually think it was thought of by researchers, I don't know, in 2010 or some stupid thing.
	But we've been researching this since then and talking to whistleblowers.
	And initially, of course, we flew around the world, literally, interviewing people about this very subject.
	So that is our focus and always has been.
	So when you ask me about the Secret Space Program, to summarize it in like one sentence or something, yes, if you want to say there is that, but there are factions within it.
	And just like there are factions in our secret government that is actually tied with MJ-12 and through our Secret Space Program, In other words, the two are not separate entities.
	They're all one.
	And yes, it gets into the battles with...
	That even are reflected in Brexit, for example, in England, between the dark magicians and the various factions, the ones that are Luciferian versus the ones that are Nazis.
	Some of those are one and the same, but there's also other ones that are not necessarily having that sort of negative bent, if you will.
	They don't eat, drink blood, etc.
	So there's the blood drinkers and the non-blood drinkers, and that's something of a dividing line, if you will.
	So this is what we're talking about.
	It's so complex, and there's so much to it.
	But certainly, Russia's very involved.
	They're a partner with the United States in the program.
	Of course, Germany and Europe, different countries in Europe, that contribute to it.
	And the United States is front and center on the whole story, so very involved in all of it, and in a sense the power center for it.
	Some people think it's, you know, Britain owns the purse strings, but the U.S. owns the brawn, so to speak.
	Okay, well, you're the guest on the show.
	I just know what I've studied.
	You studied a lot more.
	So you think within, I agree, MJ-12 definitely exists.
	So you think the humans have working relationships in the military.
	With aliens.
	So humans and aliens have been working together, I guess, since the 1950s, before or going back?
	Yeah, I think even before.
	In the 40s, certainly with the Nazis.
	Yeah.
	And even, it says, even in the 30s.
	So there was evidence going back to that time.
	So it's kind of a blur between...
	Aliens and human beings.
	If aliens are working with humans in the secret space program, we can't really draw a line.
	Aliens and humans are all working together.
	The public is kept out of this.
	So we really can't draw the line, can we, between aliens and humans?
	We say aliens and humans are working with them, right?
	Yeah, I mean, we're interacting with them on every level.
	Of course, they also prefer to go one-on-one interacting with humans in the public sector.
	That's always been their tactic.
	How do you mean by that?
	What do you mean in the public sector?
	That aliens go about contacting humanity through individuals.
	And they try to stay away from government and, you know, that type of thing, you know, the military-industrial complex.
	They have dealings with them on another level as well, but the thing is that they...
	They infiltrate the public.
	And so one of the ways in which they influence humans is through individuals within the public sector.
	And this is also why abductees and contactees are so much the focus of our secret government, secret space program, to where they, like, aliens could abduct an individual and then, you know, a few nights later the military will abduct them.
	In other words, to find out what they know.
	Yeah, I know about 10 abductees here in the Vancouver British Columbia area, and I've met Sebastian Martin.
	He's been right here in the room here.
	I think you've talked to him.
	He's like a Palladian.
	And he told me when we met a fellow abductee, he felt the my labs have gotten off after her.
	Yeah, so there'll be a genuine alien abduction and then the military will abduct that person to find out what happened and what do they know.
	Do you think that's a true scenario?
	Oh yeah, it definitely goes on.
	I think so.
	Yeah, I mean that's only one way.
	I mean some groups of abductors are made up of military and aliens.
	There's a very interesting book, Incident at Devil's Den, written by Terry Loveless.
	I'm trying to help him get that made into a movie because it's such an excellent book.
	It's all about his abduction, him and a friend in the Air Force.
	We're talking back when he was young, which was, I guess, in his 20s, might have been 40, 50 years ago or whatever it is, because I think he's probably in his 60s now.
	And he was around, you know, early 20s at the time.
	So he's written a great story and highly recommend it.
	I've interviewed him in depth about his book, so you can watch the interview as well.
	You may have already done so.
	And it shows very clearly that he saw on the ship, you know, what is in essence Air Force.
	So when he was abducted by aliens, there were Air Force around, assisting even.
	And of course they wanted to cover that up.
	It's part of the reason why it's been very difficult to get this project kind of off the ground, let's say.
	And so I'm just saying that this is what's going on.
	I mean, humans and aliens have been dealing with each other, really going back to the days of Atlantis.
	I mean, that's a fact.
	But not in the public domain.
	Like, it's not been accepted in this sort of seating of humanity until this time again that we talk about the 1940s, 50s, and going forward now.
	So we have a short history of a very long history Yeah.
	So you believe there's bases on the moon with human beings, bases on Mars with our sacred space program.
	So this whole thing with Elon Musk and space, is it just a ruse?
	Is it just a distraction?
	Make people think, okay, this is the cutting edge.
	Elon Musk wants to go to Mars.
	This is all a ruse, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's a problem, but it has to do with there is sort of this commercial sector involvement within the Secret Space Program that does try to run the show, and then there's the actual Secret Space Program, right?
	And then there's sort of knockoffs that are also very interesting and feeding into this sort of trajectory and getting involved in the commercial aspect.
	And this is where you get to the Stars Academy saying, well, they really want to bring free energy to the people.
	Their really reason for existence is not disclosure.
	It's to bring access-free energy projects that are deeper in than they are.
	And that gets into how Pudoff and Eric Davis released the documents that I've talked about that came out of the finance.
	I studied a lot of that.
	Mitchell that people may have paid attention to and I've written and done presentations and articles about extensively, actually.
	So we're talking about Bob Bigelow.
	We're talking about, you know, all these different scientists.
	So yes, Elon Musk is wrapped into that scenario.
	And of course, he's another sort of...
	I guess he's a commercial aspect of NASA that is a bit of a disinfo, but including truth.
	So it's usually not just disinfo by itself.
	It usually has mixtures of truth within it.
	Okay.
	I did one video with...
	Richard Dolan, and I've had an email exchange with him recently.
	I follow a lot of his work.
	But about the free energy, do you think they actually want to give humanity free energy?
	Who does and who doesn't want to give humanity?
	That seems to be the cutting-edge issue, right?
	Like, are we going to give free energy or not?
	They've had it for a long time.
	But there's a lot of aspects to what we call free energy.
	What is, in essence, also portal technology, the ability to open portals, close portals, go interdimensional.
	Humans have all these abilities.
	They don't want us to know that.
	We created portals in Stargate while we were in India, and I actually left my body while I was wide awake.
	I went through the portal that we were creating, is what I realized happened, and then came back.
	Where I went, I don't know exactly.
	But at any rate, you know, it's very, you know, Convoluted.
	And so I will say that Randy Kramer recently at a conference in Yelm where I was speaking came forward.
	I've written an article about it talking about an aspect of the military that he reports to, which is the Marines, for one thing, maybe have other parts of the military involved as well, sent him on a mission to start talking about the fact that the military won a launch We're good to
	in Yelm to break this news that they're revisiting this whole Project Blue Beam alien invasion scenario.
	And the bottom line is they need something.
	They need a vehicle to break the ice between humanity and them.
	Between the rift, you're calling it a rogue civilization.
	That, I think, was termed by Rich Dolan in the early days.
	And the bottom line is that they need something that will take the blame off them for 70 years of secrecy.
	Because within, when we talk about free energy and technology, we're talking about cures for You know, all sickness.
	We're talking about, you know, turning deserts into jungles, you know, with plenty of water, clean water and clean air and all this time.
	So there's lots of facets to just the idea of releasing information into the public domain that actually validates what, of course, lots of alternative free energy scientists are aware of.
	Yeah, I've just been reading his book.
	He's talked about the legal ramifications.
	People don't want to go to jail, right?
	Yeah, sure.
	And so, you know, that's the kind of thing.
	So the trouble is, unfortunately, is that certain individuals have been infiltrated and messed with, and Rich Dolan has, for some reason, completely discounts the information of Captain Mark Richards.
	who is actually one of the best disclosure witnesses out there and strangely I don't think he'd quarrel with the actual information but he's been persuaded by certain very negative factions that he is some dark you know individual which now I've done 11 interviews with him I'm about to release the 11th and you know spent hours and hours talking to him and take it for what it's worth you know you have to look at the information look at what he says And see
	how what I say resonates.
	And then you'll kind of have to come to your own conclusions.
	But...
	I think Richard Olin is only going so far.
	He doesn't want to step on some toes.
	Yeah, he's playing politics.
	Also, it's very obvious when it comes to the Kit Green alien autopsy story that he's going along with Kit's sort of backing off and changing his story right in midstream.
	And also, an interview he's supposed to be conducting that any journalist would say is his honor off the record, right?
	That'd be the bottom line.
	And supposedly that was very unclear within their interactions.
	So how does that happen?
	You know, there's something going on there.
	I think Dolan is also concerned about Zionist power, not naming them or referring to them at all and not going near that question.
	Possibly.
	You know, I don't spend that much time looking at his work, but I'm just saying in regard to a certain aspect.
	So what I'm saying about this is that we've got Randy Kramer talking about a false flag alien invasion.
	This has been on the cards for a very long time.
	People in ufology all knew about it as a possibility.
	It was more in the front line.
	Sort of in people's minds, let's say, back in, I don't know, 2007 or something like that.
	Stephen Greer is always talking about it, even to this day.
	But the fact of the matter is, is that you don't have a fake alien invasion when you have a real one going on.
	But it's going to be a cover that is then going to reveal the real one.
	But what it will do, according to Kramer, is take the blame away from the military.
	If they can win battles, for example, with fake aliens, then they look like heroes to the American at least.
	Yeah, that's the motive.
	And so it puts them in a different realm.
	And I am not a person who is interested in sort of...
	You know, lynching.
	The people have been lying to us for 70 years.
	You know, it's a very complex story.
	But, you know, and this gets into, you know, pedophilia, child trafficking, human trafficking.
	Because human trafficking is what aliens do.
	Okay?
	So that whole Epstein story actually leads right to Dulce.
	He had a ranch in New Mexico.
	Oh, tell us about that.
	Because you wrote about the importance of pedophilia.
	You can talk about that.
	Yeah, I'm saying that this is, you know, this is one story.
	So, you know, reptilians, drinking blood, pedophilia, Luciferianism, they're all linked.
	And it's also come from our alien, you know, heritage.
	So this can't be just thrown under a carpet somewhere and looked at as some crazy, weird, isolated, sick individuals.
	That's not at all what this is.
	This is about the heritage of the various races that have been using and trafficking humans.
	Remember you said we can't put them all in jail.
	You said we have to have some understanding about this reptilian nature.
	We can't throw them all in jail.
	We have to just deal with this somehow.
	No, you can't.
	And besides, I mean, they are plundering Earth.
	And they are plundering...
	And Mark Richards is the only witness out there who's talked about this going on during the wars.
	Under cover of war in Syria and these other countries...
	The reptilians are taking shiploads of humans off the planet.
	Period.
	And they are slaves, sex slaves, you name it.
	And food, etc., etc.
	And they also transport them to other colonies, etc.
	So this has been going on.
	In other words, if people don't realize the roots of this stuff, they're never going to get to the bottom of the real story and understand.
	How long?
	How long have they taken humans and putting them on other planets?
	Is this thousands of years?
	Yeah, forever.
	Because if you read, again, the Ashayana Dean history, you understand that that's what genetic engineering was all about, was colonizing, going to a planet, Colonizing the peoples, infiltrating them, impregnating the women, you know, doing genetic engineering.
	They don't just do it freely, you know, you'd have to go into a community, you have to steal the women, you have to steal the children, you know, etc., etc.
	And we know that, look, mantids and reptoids and even raptors who are The mantids and the raptors are now aligning themselves with humans, but they used to eat us.
	They used to use us for sex slaves, etc.
	They've changed their ways because they're interested in this thing called ascension, in something that will help their race progress.
	There's also evidence, by the way, that reptilians are run by an AI. And so behind all their rulership, etc., going back into their lineage, that they may in fact be on a program that they've been programmed with.
	So you have to deprogram them, in essence.
	And that's a whole other ballgame.
	Just to back up a bit, you're saying that...
	Planet Earth is just like hundreds of other planets.
	The genetic engineering manipulation of humans and humanoids.
	This goes on all over the place.
	We're just another planet, 101.
	We're just another planet.
	This is part of a larger scheme all over the galaxy.
	That's what you're saying.
	And it happened to the Pleiadians.
	Hello?
	You know, William Tompkins is very graphic about this.
	Pleiadians wanted to, in part, It could even be part of the reason, you know, I think a lot of humanity came from the humanoid lyrans.
	But nonetheless, Pleiadians are a branch.
	And what appears is that humans were actually genetically manipulated to become a sort of a warrior species that would defend the Pleiadians, be a front line of defense.
	That's one of the things that we've been told by people like Tompkins and others.
	So the Pleiadians, you know, everyone thinks hearts and flowers Pleiadians, but that's not quite the case.
	They had an ulterior motive, you could say, for helping us, for getting involved with us, because they have been decimated by the Reptilians time and time again.
	They've been battling them across the galaxies, and this is the issue, because reptilians are a marauding species.
	They look to go into a world, conquer it, and take it over, and then move on to the next one.
	That's what they do.
	And there are some AI that may do something similar.
	So, Okay, so actually, I think this has gone on way longer than you said we were going to be.
	Yeah, I really appreciate your time, Kara.
	Yeah, I mean, I'd love to have you back on the show, but yeah, I shouldn't pick your brain for too long.
	It's been about an hour and a half.
	I really appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Alright, great.
	So thank you for having me on your show.
	I really appreciate it.
	Of course, please do come to ProjectHamlot.tv and see my latest interviews.
	And in a couple days, I'll have the Mark Richards interview out there.
	It'll have a transcript, sort of notes that basically, so you can read the details as well.
	And thanks for everyone who supported my work over the many years and kept me alive and afloat.
	And the people that I do work with, which is my partner, Neil Anthony Sanford, who does the artworks and also films in location and does some editing as well.
	And then we also have the N1 publicity guy, Paul Collin, who writes wonderful columns and does Thank you very much.
	It's been fun talking to you, and you're very well informed.
	Obviously, you have a very good inquiring mind, and it's quite fun.
	Good questions.
	Thank you.
	Okay.

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