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Aug. 21, 2019 - Project Camelot

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MICHAEL SHRIMPTON RE EPSTEIN

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone. everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	I have a fascinating guest, Michael Shrimpton, a former Or current barrister who has been suspended, and we can get into some detail on that.
	But we are going to be talking about the intelligence that he's been getting regarding the Epstein case.
	And so I'm going to bring him on the screen.
	Now, he is not using video, so we're going to basically be using sort of his banner, and obviously I'll be on the screen.
	But Michael, can you say hello to everyone?
	Good evening, everybody, or good afternoon, I think, as it is in California.
	Excellent.
	Yes, it is.
	I'm sure it's sunny in California.
	It's actually been quite a sunny day in England as well.
	Lovely.
	Okay, good to hear it.
	So today we are, as you know, talking about the Epstein case, but I do want to start off with a bit about yourself because I have put it on my website, so projectcamelot.tv or projectcamelot.org, and you'll see the banner for this show on there.
	And you can click on some of the links on Veterans Today that do explain His bio, some of the background of his story.
	But very briefly, Michael, for the sake of the people that are not familiar with you and your story, can you give yourself some background?
	Well, in terms of the current case against me and my professional status, I have an appeal pending to the Court of Appeal in England against an order that I be disbarred.
	Obviously, I'm seeking to challenge the two convictions of me in 2014, both of which were completely bogus, and followed malicious prosecutions brought by the Crown Prosecution Service, which I should explain to your viewers and listeners.
	It conducts political prosecutions and reports to the Cabinet Office.
	I was not the first time...
	That they conducted a political prosecution.
	The case is awaiting a decision on permission to appeal from the Court of Appeal.
	I'm also challenging the convictions before the Solicitors Regulation Authority because, although I don't work as a barrister, I do work as a consultant for solicitors firms.
	There may be an attempt to stop me from doing that.
	I shouldn't exaggerate because I think in practice it'll turn on the term which I do work.
	But both convictions have been challenged.
	Both have now been blown out of the water by fresh evidence.
	And I'm confident that my name will be cleared.
	I also have an application to Her Majesty the Queen via the Home Secretary for a royal pardon.
	Now, that was blocked from reaching the last Home Secretary, a man called Sajid Javid, who was Chancellor of the Exchequer, by the late Cabinet Secretary, who was, in my view, taken out.
	He was a man called Jeremy Haywood.
	He died last year of cancer, which I think was induced.
	He had ordered that the application for a royal pardon be suppressed from the Home Secretary.
	That was successful for a time, but I think I managed to find a way around that because a member of the new Cabinet happens to be someone I know, and I've passed the application to him to be passed on directly to the Home Secretary.
	That's the state of play.
	Okay, so we are having a bit of some kind of audio interference on your end.
	I'm not sure if that's going to persist or not, so hopefully it will clear itself up.
	I can hear you fine.
	Excellent.
	Yes.
	Just a few sort of slight interruptions on your end, so not sure what that's about.
	But we're going to continue.
	I'm sorry for audio only, but that does spare the sight of less than handsome features.
	You always say that.
	I'm doing this from home.
	I don't allow cameras in the home for security.
	It's purely a security issue, that's all.
	No problem.
	So at this time, what I want to do is really get your take on the whole Epstein case.
	And if we can start out with your understanding as a barrister, under what circumstances was he arrested?
	And what do you see as being the motivations for this whole thing coming to light at this time?
	Speaking as a barrister, in any event, I don't practice as a barrister at the moment because I'm either interimly suspended or disbarred.
	There's a dispute of law about my status, which I'm actually in the process of resolving today and hopefully tomorrow.
	The bar standards are disbarred.
	My inn, barristers in England, I should explain, are members of four inns of court, Greys, Inner Temple, Middle Temple and Lincoln Inn.
	And an order for disbarment is not made by the Bar Disciplinary Tribunal.
	It's made by the Treasurer of the Inn, who told me he, or through his PAs, that he was waiting for the Court of Appeals decision on the Bar Disciplinary Tribunal decision.
	The Bar Standards Board think he wasn't prepared to wait.
	Calling me a barrister at the moment is complicated because I'm not sure that I am.
	However, however, I am an intelligence analyst and obviously an intelligence specialist.
	Yes, for the benefit of viewers who haven't come across me before, although I'm not a spy, I have taught spies.
	I was a lecturer in intelligence studies at the American Military University, which has an online course.
	It teaches students online, and that's on Pentagon-accredited courses.
	Most of my students were intelligence officers, mostly serving in the CIA, the DIA, Marine Corps intelligence activity, you name it.
	Not exclusively military, not exclusively American, but mostly military, mostly U.S. And I did that for a number of years before I gave up to write my book, Spy Hunt.
	It's published in 2014, which of course is an intelligence text, and I write, as you know, Kerry, a roughly weekly intelligence column for veterans today.
	It doesn't come out every week because, A, I'm not paid, and B, it depends on the workload.
	I'm practicing as a legal consultant.
	I was in court this morning, and I have cases to prepare and I have a huge amount of work to do just fighting to clear my name, so it's not always possible to get my column out weekly.
	Okay, with that in mind, now if you could, let's turn it over to the Epstein case and speaking about it with your background as a barrister and your background as a person who has worked in the intelligence field in various capacities.
	Can you please discuss, as I say, why you think he was arrested at this time, what has taken so long, really, and what you feel about what the timing is all about?
	It looks to me as though he was arrested with a view to taking him out.
	Once he was in the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York, he was vulnerable because it's a federal problem.
	And the federal bureaucracy is heavily penetrated by the German D.V. or Deutsche Werteidigungsdienst intelligence agency, which usually uses American nationals in the Korea group, which is based in Frankfurt, Germany.
	I think a lot of American citizens understand the federal government doesn't work for them.
	In practice, it works for Germany.
	It's heavily penetrated.
	Okay, let's give this another try.
	You were being interrupted when we were talking about the beginning of the Epstein case, why you thought he was picked up at this time and charged, and you were saying that you thought the reason was they wanted to take him out, where he would not be protected.
	Is that the idea?
	Yeah, I think one possibility, and I apologise to viewers for the interruption, but not your fault, not my fault.
	It may be there was interference.
	It wouldn't be the first time.
	Yeah, it looks as though it was decided that the arrest decision was prompted by a desire to get him into custody at this time with a view to taking him out.
	Now, it may be that it was decided to take him out after he was arrested.
	The critical question will be at what point was it decided to take him out before or after the arrest?
	There's no doubt that he was vulnerable.
	Obviously, he's been murdered.
	He was vulnerable to being taken out in a federal prison, particularly the Metropolitan Correctional Center.
	Okay, but there are many people that think that he has not been taken out.
	They actually think he was...
	Secreted out of the prison and so on.
	Have you seen the pictures of the so-called, you know, corpse and in the prison, those prison pictures?
	Yeah, I've seen some pictures.
	I haven't seen all.
	I'm not buying the spiriting out of the prison theory.
	I know that's been doing the rounds.
	One of the problems is that the bad guys will often supply disinformation.
	And it may be that somebody's supplying, somebody's putting disinformation around in order to cause confusion and distract attention away from the key thing here, which is that he was murdered.
	At least that's my analysis.
	I don't buy that the body that was examined by the New York medical examiner with Dr.
	Michael Baden attending on behalf of the family I don't buy that that was a somebody other than Jeffrey Epstein.
	I think, apart from anything else, I assume, now I don't know because I haven't seen the autopsy report, but I assume the New York Medical Examiner took the precaution of doing a DNA analysis, which could be done quite quickly these days.
	The DNA would confirm that the body that they were examining was indeed Jeffrey Epstein, but The family were represented at the autopsy.
	It wasn't a secret autopsy.
	It wasn't like the Kennedy assassination where the autopsy was tightly controlled.
	This was an autopsy with independent forensic pathologist present, a very distinguished one too.
	In fact, it was previously a New York medical examiner himself.
	And I just don't buy that You could get a fake body through the autopsy.
	Apart from anything else, you need a body.
	The bodies are not as easy to come by as people might think, just a minute.
	Okay, well, you think that he was murdered, you're saying, but obviously, in theory, he's murdered in prison.
	So what is your idea on that?
	I think we're still live, aren't we?
	Yes.
	So the listeners are hearing this as I speak.
	I should explain.
	We're shifting from Skype to landline because of interference problems on Skype.
	So I was just making myself comfortable there.
	All right.
	So I was asking you, you thought he was murdered in, I assume, in his cell.
	Is that correct?
	Correct, yes.
	Just finishing off the answer to your previous question.
	I'm well aware, and I've had emails from people saying, look, the body that was examined wasn't Epstein.
	Epstein is not dead.
	He's just been taken out of the prison and smuggled out.
	If that's the case, which body was examined by the New York Medical Examiner?
	I think it's Dr.
	Barbara Sampson.
	So what body were Sampson and Bain examining?
	It would be extremely difficult to have a body double.
	Even in New York, dead bodies are not that easy to come by.
	Even in London, they're not that easy to come by.
	And of course, you would need a body that looked like Jeffrey Epstein.
	Well, I don't think there are many people around who do look like Jeffrey Epstein.
	He's a fairly distinctive individual.
	So you'd need a white male of Jeffrey's age who Look like Jeffrey Epstein.
	We're talking a really major deception here, and I just don't think it's doable.
	The days of body doubles have virtually gone.
	In the old days, in World War II, the famous example of Monty's double, and Hitler had doubles.
	Hitler had several doppelgangers.
	One of them ended up in Argentina, and it's caused decades of chaos because you've got genuine sightings of People who look like Adolf Hitler, of course they look like Adolf Hitler because they were doppelgangers.
	Using doppelgangers, whether a live doppelganger is in the case of Hitler or a dead doppelganger, which is what has been suggested here, that's old hat because of two things.
	Facial recognition technology, which allows a comparison of the facial features of the person you're examining, whether live or dead, and with the genuine article, and DNA. And you can't fake facial recognition and you can't fake DNA. And I would be surprised if Dr.
	Sampson didn't carry out basic ID checks to make sure that the corpse she's got is the right corpse.
	I just say I reject out of hand because we're dealing Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence operative, and we're clearly dealing here with the DVD and the career group, and they are both highly capable.
	They're bad guys, but they're highly capable.
	They're professionals.
	It's not Amateur Night Out.
	It's not like the FBI. It's not Amateur Night Out.
	It's not Thames Valley Police.
	I don't think they could have swapped the body.
	The other explanation is, oh, well, there was no autopsy, but I... I can't believe that they faked an autopsy.
	In a sense, I don't buy what Dr.
	Sampson is saying about suicide.
	I think, I'm afraid, with whatever respect, I think she's a weak individual, and I think she's making the same mistake that Brian Houghton did in the case of the murder of David Kelly.
	I think she's come up with a verdict which is politically Acceptable, but may not reflect her true opinion with every respect to her.
	I know she's a respected doctor, but I'm not buying her conclusion for one moment.
	But I don't think that she would be party to such a gross deception as to pretend to the world that she's examined Jeffrey Epstein, which she hasn't.
	Okay, so that sounds like a...
	It's an interesting suggestion.
	When you're dealing with intelligence, particularly when you're dealing with the Germans, you can't rule anything out.
	I mean, these are the boys who set up 9-11.
	They know their way around New York, and they're past masters of deception.
	For decades, the world was fooled into thinking that Admiral Canaris was executed in...
	Flossenberg concentration camp in 1945, and in fact he survived and didn't die until about 1978.
	So they got formed for fake deaths.
	The head of the Gestapo, Muller, faked his death in 1945 as well.
	So yes, deaths can be faked, but it's extremely difficult to fake a death in New York, particularly if there's an autopsy.
	Okay, but it would seem something of a contradiction if you think that the coroner, I assume that's who she is, who's examining the body would come up with a wrong verdict.
	Sorry, I was cutting across your coat.
	Yes, because we have a broken neck, etc., and either it's Epstein's neck or it's not Epstein's neck, and he's hung, so obviously they can go in and hang him, which had to have happened, because I do not believe there's a way that he would have hung himself under his circumstances.
	This is a highly prized...
	I don't think he's hanged.
	I think they...
	It's like the Kelly case.
	There's an attempt, which comes across to me as a fairly crude attempt, to pass off the murder as suicide.
	Now, I should emphasize, I don't reach conclusions lightly, and any conclusion I reach is at this stage on the balance of probabilities.
	I can't be certain that he was murdered.
	I haven't seen the autopsy report.
	I wasn't present at the autopsy.
	But...
	All that I know about the death of Jeffrey Epstein leads me to conclude on balance that he was murdered.
	I am calling this murder.
	Now, as with any intelligence analysis, it is subject to fresh information.
	I did reconsider my opinion.
	I was intending to...
	I will be writing my next weekly column or next column on the Epstein assassination.
	I... Did review my opinion when the word came through that he had signed his last will and testament two days before.
	He was murdered on the 10th, and there's a will on the 8th.
	But I think all that will does is tell us that Jeffrey Epstein thought he was about to be murdered.
	It doesn't mean to say that he was thinking of...
	He thought he was about to die.
	It doesn't follow that he was about to commit suicide.
	The...
	Bear in mind that there was an earlier attack on the 23rd of July which looks like a failed attempt to kill him.
	So the rule on August 8th follows a possible attempt of murder on July the 23rd.
	He was certainly attacked in his cell in circumstances that caused the judge supervising the sex abuse allegations, the latest round of the New York allegations, the judge supervising those who was a federal judge, He's a concern and apparently has written to the warden of the Metropolitan Correctional Centre, who I believe is Lamine Di, and I'm probably mispronouncing his name.
	I apologise to him if I am.
	Okay, so there was also the idea that he was, in other words, who was he murdered by, which side?
	There is a thought, I have written an article about this, saying that both sides had something to lose and possibly something to gain.
	If you say Epstein was an agent, I'm actually wondering if he was an agent.
	Certainly they have said the Mossad.
	So you're saying German DVD. Oh yeah, he was definitely not Mossad.
	I mean, he's Jewish.
	He would have had his occasional contacts with the Mossad.
	He was a major player.
	I'd be surprised if he hadn't bumped into the old Mossad agent over the years.
	But that doesn't make him a Mossad asset.
	He was working for the Germans.
	The Mossad have no interest whatsoever in targeting the Duke of York.
	He's not on their target list.
	He was setting up people like the Duke of York on instructions from Germany, relayed via Korea Group in Frankfurt, almost certainly.
	His controller would not have been a German citizen, almost certainly would have been an American citizen in the Korea Group.
	But the Korea Group are part of German intelligence, not American intelligence.
	They're based in Frankfurt, which is in Germany.
	It's not...
	I know there's a Frankfurt in the United States, but we're not talking that Frankfurt.
	We're talking the Frankfurt that is in the Federal Republic of Germany.
	The Korea Group headquarters are in a building that looks a bit like a warehouse on the outskirts of Frankfurt Airport.
	Now, it's Frankfurt on the River Main, or the River Main.
	Now, So Epstein was a German operative and the Germans, it's a standard German intelligence tactic to take their own people out if that serves the interests of the DVD or the wider interests of Germany as they perceive them to be.
	So the fact that he was taken out, looks like he was taken out by the career group, that is not inconsistent with his being a career group operative.
	The Germans will always take out their own people If they need to.
	And we're talking, at the end of World War II, the Germans deliberately sacrificed over half a million people, that's half a million German citizens, in order to protect Eisenhower.
	They had an asset called Dwight David Eisenhower.
	Some of your listeners will have heard of him.
	He ended up as President of the United States.
	He was a German operative.
	And in order to disguise his German With an intelligence connection, he basically arranged for the deaths of several hundred thousand German civilians in the American zone of occupation, which made him look very anti-German.
	It was a very convenient cover.
	The German intelligence, the Abwehr then, the DVD had already been set up, so the transition from Abwehr to DVD had already happened.
	Eisenhower's Abwehr and then he moves over to the DVD which is still run by Admiral Wilhelm Canaris and the Deputy Director is General Leutnant Erwin von La Hüsen who was a prosecution witness of course at Nuremberg and the hundreds of thousands of German civilians were sacrificed by German intelligence Their deaths can be laid at the door of a German operative
	in order to protect his identity.
	Put everybody off the scent.
	So the Germans, if they're happy to sacrifice a few hundred thousand civilians, they're certainly going to be happy to sacrifice one odd Jewish sex offender In New York.
	And the DVD is still anti-Semitic.
	It's one of their weaknesses.
	Okay, but what is the point?
	I mean, in other words, why now?
	Why would they sacrifice him now?
	And in what way were the Americans helping him?
	Who in the American administration, Justice, you know, are you saying that Acosta had something to do with this?
	The White House, which is the Trump administration, they're the good guys.
	The president is a good guy.
	The White House are good guys.
	But the White House doesn't control the federal government.
	It may think it controls the federal government, but nobody's yet briefed in poor President Trump about the DVD. The federal government, in reality, is part of the German government, not the American government.
	The federal government is a very strange entity.
	It does not work in the interests of America.
	It works in the interests of Germany.
	And there are various ways in which this is manifested.
	The same with the British civil service.
	It's controlled by the cabinet office.
	Individual federal bureaucrats may be doing a good job.
	Individual federal bureaucrats may be loyal to the President and loyal to the United States and loyal to the Constitution, but the people who control them are not.
	The federal bureaucracy is thoroughly subverted, as is the British bureaucracy, as is the Australian federal bureaucracy.
	In America, in order to get honest government, the American government gets more honest the closer it gets to the people.
	And so if you get down to the level of the local sheriff, then it's likely to be honest government.
	There aren't that many crooked sheriffs in America.
	State governments in America are far more honest than the federal government.
	What worried me from the start about the Epstein case was the fact that he was taken out Or died, let's use a neutral expression, he died in a federal prison.
	If it had been in state prison, I'd have been more reluctant to call it murder, because he was clearly taken out by the Germans if he was taken out, and the German writ doesn't run in the States to anything like the extent that it does with the federal bureaucracy.
	Okay, well, when you're talking about a German sort of running, it almost sounds as if you believe that the Germans are running the world, in essence, and I'm wondering who in Germany...
	Well, not the entire world, yeah, but Germany...
	German intelligence is extremely powerful.
	The DVD is the world's single most powerful intelligence agency.
	It set up a lot of intelligence agencies, like MI5 and MI6 in Britain, were set up by Germany.
	And a German spy was put in charge of MI5, Captain Vernon Kell.
	And they chose an idiot to run MI6, knowing he wouldn't do a terribly good job, which he didn't.
	The level of German penetration is enormous, and it's only when you battle with them that you discover.
	As I discovered to my cost in 2014, they controlled the CPS. The Crown Prosecution Service is ultimately controlled from Germany because it's controlled by the Cabinet Office and the Cabinet Office are penetrated by German agents.
	The last Cabinet Secretary, the man who ordered by arrest, now dead, Jeremy Heywood, was a German asset.
	Okay, but who's in charge?
	You understand what I'm asking you.
	I'm asking you, you've got a German intelligence agency carrying out certain missions.
	Who are you saying is in charge of them?
	In Germany?
	Oh, that's the DVD. But I have to say, I don't know the identity of the current director.
	I know Bush 41 was very senior in the DVD. He, of course, used to run around on a German passport when he thought nobody was looking.
	It was me who discovered that.
	I don't think anybody in America was aware that he was using a German passport.
	He had a German diplomatic passport, and yet he was a former American president.
	That's Bush senior, not the nice Bush, George W. Bush.
	This is Bush 41.
	Okay, what about Bill Clinton?
	That should give your listeners an idea of the level of penetration.
	The President of the United States is traveling around on a German diplomatic passport.
	All right, what about Bill and Hillary Clinton?
	Are you saying they're DVD assets?
	Ah, well, now you've asked a difficult question.
	You might think that I couldn't possibly comment.
	Remember, I live in England and I am subject to the English laws of libel.
	So I have to be compliant with English law.
	I don't particularly want to get involved in a libel battle with Bill and Hillary Clinton.
	I don't think they would sue me for libel because that might involve certain disclosures which they might not be entirely comfortable with.
	But I have to be careful what I say.
	Although you're in California, you're subject to California law of libel.
	I'm subject to the English law of LIBOR. There are transnational legal issues here.
	I have to be careful what I say.
	I will discontent myself by saying you might think that I could not possibly comment.
	Well, actually, I don't know the answer to the question, which is why I'm asking it.
	But nonetheless, what I'd like to know is, if you think that this is a German operation, and you I do wonder what you think the Trump administration's role in all of this is, especially when he wants to, in theory, drain the swamp, as they call it.
	And Epstein got off in, I think it was 2008.
	I'm not sure about that year.
	But Acosta obviously had to resign.
	And we also have the island...
	And we have also a ranch in New Mexico.
	We have a subversion of Richardson, who is a governor of New Mexico, that was obviously instrumental and had been compromised, one assumes, by his connection with Epstein and the island, and so on.
	So in other words, what kind of operation do you think Epstein was conducting And why, at this time, would he be brought up in charges?
	Who was instrumental on that?
	Well, I think that the Department of Justice essentially reports for Germany.
	It's under ultimate German control.
	The Trump administration had almost no control of the Department of Justice at all.
	The Attorney General seems a very able man.
	But he's not intelligence literate.
	I don't think he's even aware of the DVD. He's put the FBI in charge of the investigation into the murder.
	Well, having the FBI investigate a murder in a federal prison or death in a federal prison is a bit like putting an alcoholic in charge of a brewery.
	It just doesn't make sense.
	It's...
	I'm trying not to be...
	I don't want you to miss my other question.
	In other words, what kind of operation?
	You wouldn't want to put in charge of Jack Daniels' distillery down in Tennessee.
	Okay, but I would like an answer to the question having to do with what kind of operation did you think Epstein was conducting and why was he taken into federal custody at this time?
	I think that he was doing two things.
	He was targeting individuals like his royal highness, the Duke of York, and was trying to compromise them.
	So he was using young girls, not necessarily underage, but he was using young women to compromise targets of German intelligence.
	So Germany's been targeting the Duke of York for some years, and there was a clear attempt by Epstein to compromise the Duke of York.
	It hasn't really succeeded, but there was a definite attempt.
	Okay, that's one person.
	There's a very long list, you do realize, in many of those characters.
	Absolutely.
	He was compromising people.
	The second thing he was doing was supplying young girls, by which I mean underage girls, so trafficking.
	He was supplying young girls to people...
	Who were doing favors for Germany.
	So he was effectively running a pedophile ring and that pedophile ring was supplying young girls and possibly young boys as well to key German assets to reward them.
	Intelligence agencies like the DVD will use pedophiles to A. Compromise people and B. Reward Their own people.
	So, for example, Ebert Heath was rewarded by being given access to boys by the Savile pedophile ring, which was run with the enthusiastic cooperation of the cabinet office, partly because the cabinet secretary of the day, Lord Hunt, was a pedophile himself.
	So that's a classic illustration of how German intelligence works.
	It's quite clear that that's what Epstein is up to.
	Now, he was also doing other things.
	He was being rewarded with access to high-yield offshore trading So-called private placements of capital.
	That was the source of his wealth.
	He wasn't...
	The visible sources of his wealth don't explain how he's able to amass a fortune of over 500 million US dollars.
	That fortune came from offshore high-yield trading.
	And the assets that are being distributed in this will are only the visible onshore assets.
	There's almost certainly a couple of B offshore, I would suspect.
	You know, it will probably be in corporate accounts that were controlled by Epstein.
	He was getting paid off quite handsomely.
	I'm not saying he wasn't a nice guy.
	He wasn't one of the good guys.
	He was one of the bad guys.
	But as I said earlier, whether he was a good guy or a bad guy, he did not deserve to be murdered.
	And I think he was murdered.
	All right.
	What about the role of Ghislaine Maxwell?
	Well, that's again interesting, because Ghislaine Maxwell's father was a German asset.
	Now, Maxwell Sr.
	is a name that may not be that familiar to a US audience.
	He was eventually whacked by Mossad, and rightly so, because he had ripped Mossad off, which was a huge mistake.
	I love Mossad to bits, but I wouldn't dream of ripping them off.
	That was not very sensible.
	In fact, he had to raid his Daily Mirror Group pension fund in order to pay Mossad back.
	Mossad very sensibly took him off, took him out on his yacht.
	That was a kaidonte.
	They did a very special job on Bob Maxwell.
	What is the relationship between Israel, the Mossad, and Germany and the DVD? Oh, well, there's no...
	Apart from the fact the DVD penetrated the Mossad...
	There's no relationship at all.
	Mossad is not part of the DVD. Mossad are the good guys, and they've been engaged in a fight for the DVD, going back to the 19...
	Well, the Israelis didn't discover the existence of the DVD, I don't think, until the 1950s.
	They brilliantly kidnapped Adolf Eichmann, who was DVD, And I think at that stage, the Israelis had their suspicions.
	A very brilliant Israeli intelligence officer called Rafi Aytan was involved in the kidnap, and Rafi then confirmed for the Israelis the existence of the DVD, the fact that German intelligence had not been shut down in 1945, and Mossad are not stupid.
	They obviously picked up all sorts of problems.
	The Israelis confirmed it when Rafi did the interrogation of Eichmann, on the night he was executed, his last night.
	Now, that is a very good time to go in and talk to a bad guy.
	If he's going to get hanged in the morning, that's when he starts talking.
	And Ravi took a good bottle of scotch in and lubricated old Adolf, and Adolf spilled the beans.
	He'd obviously been promised.
	Eichmann had been told that they've got enough German assets in Israel, that there was no way he was going to hang, etc., etc., etc., yada, yada, yada.
	The Germans are always very good at spelling a tale like that.
	Eichmann bought into it, and then the night before he's due to be executed, by then he'd realized, okay, my boys have sold me out.
	And in revenge, he then spills the beans to Rafi Aytan.
	Now, the Israelis won't confirm that officially, but that is my understanding of what happened.
	Rafi Aytan is still alive, and by God, he's a very, very good intelligence officer.
	One of the best there's ever been.
	I've never met him, but we have mutual friends, and he was very good indeed.
	Okay, you know...
	The Israelis are the good guy.
	Mossad does not control the distribution of bagels in New York, let alone have the ability to organize an assassination in a federal prison.
	There's no way in the world Mossad can yank a cellmate from Jeffrey Epstein's cell in the Metropolitan Correctional Center.
	There's no way...
	This is one of the reasons I conclude that he's been murdered.
	What I see when I look at the facts is the creation of a killing field.
	We have his cellmate is moved out the night before.
	So that's not coincidence.
	Intelligence analysts hate coincidences.
	It cannot be a coincidence that Epstein's cellmate is moved out the night before and isn't replaced.
	Now I've been in a prison cell where someone's tried to hang themselves and I saved a life and I helped save him.
	Eventually the emergency alarm was responded to and a whole bunch of prison officers turned up.
	But I'm the guy who cut him down when he was trying to hang himself.
	So I've been in a cell when my cellmate has tried to hang himself.
	And the first thing you do when you know what's going on, he was hanging himself out of my line of sight.
	I was watching television and he was trying to hang himself from the end of a bed behind me.
	And I heard a sound and turned around and there he was.
	At the end of a rope.
	So I immediately went to his aid.
	That's what you do.
	In prison, you look out for your fellow prisoners.
	Doesn't matter what they've done.
	The guy...
	My cellmate was a Korean.
	He was charged with rape.
	He hadn't...
	He'd been convicted of rape.
	Almost certainly had not done it.
	It was a very messy divorce, and his wife had got back at him, I think, with some pretty shoddy allegations.
	How the case ever got to trial, I don't know.
	But...
	He was seriously depressed, trying to kill himself.
	And I tried to help him on his case, and I was giving him tips, and we were reviewing the case papers together.
	I was dealing with the Catholic chaplaincy who came around to see him quite regularly.
	He was a Catholic.
	And I was writing, you know, I was helping as much as I could.
	I couldn't do very much to help him, but what I could do, I did.
	And when he tried to hang himself, I didn't have to think about it.
	Didn't say, oh, do I go and help my soulmate?
	You go and help your soulmate.
	If he's trying to kill himself, you stop him.
	And he didn't thank me at the time.
	He certainly thanked me when he came back out of the prison hospital.
	He thanked me and gave me all his biscuits.
	That may not sound very like a big deal, but I tell you, in prison, biscuits are a currency.
	They're like cigarettes.
	And it's absolutely natural.
	To go to the aid of your cellmate.
	All right, so given the fact that...
	Moving the cellmate to me is a big red flag.
	The moving of the cellmate on August 9th is a big red flag.
	All right.
	That says to me somebody is setting up a killing field.
	And it's not just the cellmate is moved.
	On the night of August 9th, 10th, the 30-minute suicide watch is lifted.
	Right.
	That's very difficult to commit suicide.
	I've...
	I was seen, particularly after I helped save my cellmate's life, Wandsworth Prison, my next cellmate was someone who was on suicide watch.
	So I've been in a cell where your cellmate is on suicide watch and it wasn't entirely accidental because clearly the prison authorities were hoping I would keep an eye on my cellmate, which I did.
	I'd save one Helped save one and kept an eye on two subsequent cellmates.
	And it's extremely difficult to commit suicide if you're on a 30-minute suicide watch.
	Yes.
	Well, again, she's alive and I have to be slightly cautious.
	There's no doubt she knew Epstein.
	I think it's much easier for me to talk about Bob Maxwell, her old man.
	What I can say about Bob Maxwell is that he was a German operative.
	Maxwell wasn't his real name.
	He was infiltrated into Britain at the end of World War II. He was a Shek.
	He was an Abwehr agent.
	He switches over to the DVD when the DVD is set up in the fall of 1943.
	And he's infiltrated into Britain.
	He's given a fake medal.
	When I say fake medal, he was given a genuine medal.
	Let's just put it this way.
	He was given a medal he didn't deserve.
	That was arranged for him by a German spy called Bridges, who was the Cabinet Secretary at the time.
	The Cabinet Office largely controlled the honour system in the UK. And because the Cabinet Office controlled recommendations to the Queen and the Queen normally only gives an honour, On a recommendation.
	There are minor exceptions.
	Okay, what was Maxwell?
	If Maxwell is not the real last name, what's the real last name?
	Correct.
	Now, you're asking me a question.
	I actually know that, and I think it's in my book SpyHunter, but I haven't looked at the Maxwell file for probably about 10 years.
	Remember, my book SpyHunter, I started to write it in 2010, so it's probably eight years or nine years, seven or eight years since I looked in detail at Bob Maxwell's case.
	But trust me, Maxwell was a made-up name.
	That was not his real name.
	He was not British, he was a Sheet, and he was infiltrated quite cleverly into Britain.
	And then he became a Labour MP. He became the MP for Buckingham, next to where I used to live.
	Alright, so, but in terms of his daughter, who was working with Epstein, she was photographed with him repeatedly.
	Some people are saying she was, in essence, the madam, or whatever you want to call it.
	So you are saying that you don't know anything about her background?
	Legitimately, I think she's the daughter of a German spy.
	She's, I wouldn't say in bed with, but she's close to another German operative, Epstein.
	So she's the daughter of Bob Maxwell, who's a German operative.
	She's close to Epstein, who's a German operative.
	Legitimate counterintelligence questions can be asked, but I can't go any further than that.
	Okay, now do you think that...
	Aren't there charges out...
	I have to run my life according to the laws of England, not the laws of California.
	Okay, fine.
	Do you think that there are...
	You don't have free speech.
	We don't.
	I mean, free speech in England is a bit of an oxymoron.
	We really don't have free speech in this country anymore.
	Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
	So, but don't you wonder if there are charges, in other words, don't they want to bring her up on some kind of charges at this point?
	I think I would be surprised if charges are not under serious consideration in respect of Ghislaine Maxwell.
	But that, to the end of the day, is a matter for the Department of Justice.
	I wouldn't want to.
	Anticipate their decision either way.
	Well, you just told us that you think that the Department of Justice here in America is run by the Germans.
	Well, yes, that's the problem.
	Now, Jeffrey Epstein was clearly thrown to the walls, and I think the main German concern would be salting away intelligence by Jeffrey.
	Epstein clearly knew that he was about to be whacked.
	He clearly knew that he was being set up And what the German concern would have been is what documentation, what lists has he got on our people?
	What has he got on us that he might be about to exchange for a deal?
	That may of course explain the timing.
	The arrest may have been an attempt to get him out of his secure environment into a prison where he could be whacked.
	It may also be that the charging decision was entirely independent of German intelligence.
	There was a genuine complaint, and I have to say the case against him looked pretty strong.
	It may simply have been that he was going to be arrested anyway, and the Germans were concerned that he might cut a deal.
	Now, he was in a position to cut a deal because he was in a position to, what in England we would say, turn Queen's evidence.
	In America you would say, switch sides and give evidence for the prosecution against a number of key German assets.
	Some of whom have occupied very high positions of power.
	All right.
	Can you name any of those so-called assets?
	Difficult, because by definition the Germans will have been concerned about the ones who were alive more than the ones who were dead.
	Let's just say that one of those assets was a United States Senator.
	And another one was a senior member of the Clinton administration.
	But I can't go any further than that.
	My analysis is that Epstein was in a position to really dish the dirt on a number of very high-profile German political assets in Washington and elsewhere.
	And the Germans had every motive for taking him out.
	And it's interesting that the FBI, which is effectively under German control because it's penetrated by the career groups, the FBI is not really an American law enforcement agency.
	It's really a German law enforcement agency.
	I know there are Americans, everybody in it is an American, and they sound American, and when you talk to the FBI, yes, they've got an American accent, and yes, they've got the FBI badge.
	So it looks American, they sound American, but they're not.
	They're ultimately working for Germany.
	There are lots of good people in the FBI, but they tend to be lower down the payroll.
	Trust me, when you get to the top of the payroll of the FBI, you've got real problems.
	And for the Phoebe's to be put in charge of the investigation of the Epstein debt is just ludicrous.
	It's just like putting Betty Ford in charge of Jack Daniel's distillery in Tennessee.
	It is not a sensible appointment at all.
	The poor old Attorney General doesn't know about the DVD, doesn't know about Career Group.
	The Attorney General of America actually thinks the FBI are working for you guys.
	Now, that may be because he's not terribly bright.
	I don't think he's competent and he's not stupid.
	I don't think he's particularly bright, no offense intended.
	But it's also because he's ill-informed.
	He's not an intelligence specialist in any meaningful sense of the word, and he just hasn't been briefed in on the Career Group and the DVD. All right.
	Now, what about Richardson, the former governor of New Mexico, and for that matter, the current one, but nonetheless, are you aware of the significance of having a ranch in New Mexico, that Epstein has a ranch there?
	Yeah.
	Again, I suspect that Richardson was being targeted.
	You see, with Epstein, as I explained, Epstein was basically doing two things.
	He was supplying young girls, and I suspect young boys as well, but we haven't yet seen evidence in relation to boys, but very often you've got these pedophile rings, you've got someone supplying underage girls, underage boys are not far behind.
	Usually, not always, but usually.
	So he's supplying underage kids to German assets as a reward, but he's also compromising people who the DVD want compromised.
	And Governor Richardson, it looks to me as though he was being targeted by a career group in Frankfurt.
	And it looks to me like there was a deliberate attempt to compromise the governor.
	Now, I'm not saying that everything Governor Richardson did or may or may not have done was entirely sensible.
	You know, things are dangled in front of politicians, and sometimes they take the bait, and possibly Governor Richardson may have taken the bait, but I don't think he's one of the bad guys.
	I see.
	Are you aware of the extensive pedophile ring that's really worldwide and that Epstein would only be one of the cogs in that machine?
	Well, they tend to, for operational reasons, the pedophile rings tend to be run independently.
	So, I've closed down three or had played a major role in shutting down three pedophile rings.
	Sorry, I'm using the English pronunciation.
	Your audience is basically American, but perhaps I should be saying pedophile.
	It's really worldwide, so it's fine.
	I helped down a pedophile ring operating in Sao Paulo, Brazil, Madrid in Spain, and Paris in France, and also probably put a spoke in the wheel of the two pedophile rings operating in Brussels over the Madeleine McCann case.
	Certainly, I helped shut down three rings, and we We probably hindered the operation of the two rings in Brussels.
	So I think I've helped take down three, and I've done some damage to two more, which isn't bad going.
	And I've helped expose the links between the Sabal pedophile ring and the DVD. So I've helped expose a ring operating in the UK. People knew about the ring, but they didn't know who was organizing it.
	Now, none of the rings, for example, the three I took down, Although all were run by the DVD, but the people running them were independent of each other.
	So the Sao Paulo ring is being run independent of the Madrid ring, and the Madrid ring was being run independently of the Paris ring.
	Okay, but you're saying they were...
	If there's too much interconnectivity, if there's too much connectivity between the rings, one of them gets busted, and they all go down.
	All right.
	So, but you're saying the DVD, in your view, is running them somehow from...
	Absolutely.
	The use of children...
	We're talking, so...
	I don't want to distress your listeners, but I'm sure they're all decent people.
	But we're talking really, really not.
	I mean, the Epstein allegations against Epstein...
	Nowhere near the top end of the scale.
	We're talking about kiddies being murdered in snuff movies and snuff movies then being supplied to German political assets or sold on the black web in order to create funding for the pedophile ring.
	I mean really, and kids, down to babies.
	I mean really, really nasty stuff.
	Seriously criminal activities.
	And the Epstein allegations, they did a little bit more than scratch the surface, but nowhere near as bad.
	This level of criminality, this level of bestiality, is classically associated with German intelligence.
	Remember, these are the guys who installed the Nazis.
	The DVD is the successor to the Abwehr.
	The Abwehr installed Adolf Hitler.
	It was the Abwehr who pushed the Holocaust.
	It wasn't Hitler.
	And the Nazis.
	Hitler didn't know half the time what was going on in his own country.
	Canaris was far more powerful than Hitler, right up until, well, certainly until 1938, he was definitely more powerful.
	Hitler gets, the Nazis get the Austrian gold reserves in 1938.
	That gives them independent finance, so they're no longer dependent on the Abwehr for cash.
	So you get Hitler becoming more powerful after 1938, and then Canaris turns on Hitler and tries to assassinate him.
	And the first assassination, serious assassination attempt is in 39.
	But until 38, Canaris was far more powerful than Hitler.
	And the whole idea of the Holocaust was driven by Canaris.
	And it was done for strategic reasons.
	It was all to do with deals with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and German ambitions to take over the Middle East.
	Why did the Germans want the Middle East?
	Because that's where the oil was.
	So you're talking, you know, people who've...
	This is an agency that is responsible...
	It's forebears for several genocides, because we've got the post-war genocides.
	Genocide didn't stop in 1945 because we didn't shut down the people who organized the Holocaust.
	So we let them carry on, and they, true to form, they organized a genocide in Cambodia and then another one in Rwanda.
	So there have been two genocides since the Second World War, and these genocidal bastards in the DVD, no offense intended, are running the show.
	The German intelligence has gone in for mass murder.
	They created HIV. I mean, that was one of their targets.
	They were targeting gays.
	So in the 70s, they developed a virus called HIV, and that then led to the AIDS pandemic.
	I mean, it was an epidemic, thankfully, in the end.
	They were trying to create a pandemic.
	They didn't get that far, but God knows they caused a lot of suffering.
	I remember one of my clients was dying of AIDS, did die of AIDS. Really, really nasty.
	All right.
	Well, one of the things out there, one of the things is saying that Epstein actually was gay.
	Have you heard that?
	It wouldn't surprise me, and I did mention that I'd be very surprised if there weren't boys being trafficked as well as girls.
	I suspect he was probably bisexual rather than gay.
	I mean, I'm gay, but it's quite normal.
	Human sexuality is quite complex, and it's not usually binary in the sense of gay heterosexual.
	A lot of gays might have sexual relations with women, might be married, A lot of heterosexuals will have, you know, men and women will have sexual relations with other men and women.
	I suspect, in Epstein's case, he was bisexual rather than gay.
	Okay, fair enough, I agree with you.
	There certainly seems to have been a sexual interest in young girls.
	I suspect there's a sexual interest in young boys as well.
	When I say he shouldn't have been murdered, obviously I'm expressing both a legal and a moral view, but I'm not defending him.
	I hold no brief for Jeffrey Epstein.
	He was not a nice man.
	He was a bad guy.
	Okay.
	But charming.
	I think he was able to, you know, he certainly was able to hold a conversation and move in If you met him at a party, I never did.
	But I'm quite sure he had a superficial charm.
	Okay.
	Now, in terms of the situation with getting him in jail, as they did, prison, what do you think...
	The Americans, or the so-called good guys, were doing, closing their eyes when they...
	Because it's quite obvious that if anyone had a chance, they were going to try to kill him, to shut him up.
	So why didn't they protect him?
	Don't you think this is crucial?
	Sorry, I cut across you.
	There's complicity, undoubtedly, by the authorities in the Metropolitan Correctional Centre.
	Not necessarily by the warden, but there's undoubted complicity by the...
	Federal bureaucracy.
	And we have a killing field created in the Metropolitan Correctional Centre, in my judgment.
	And I point towards the withdrawal of the cellmate on the night before the assassination, the withdrawal of the 30-minute suicide watch, and then giving access to, because if he was killed, he was taken out by a death squad.
	I know, but this is a no-brainer.
	Isn't the understanding that one of the things has to do with bringing in Epstein is that he's part of a long list of indictments and that if you do bring in a prisoner that you should endeavor to protect him.
	If he wasn't killed by hanging or whatever they did to him, assuming that's really his body, if you want to go that route, then I was also told that he could have been remotely given a heart attack, for example, and that that's what really killed him, if he is dead.
	But you understand that if you know, you know, you're part of the intelligence, you're part of The higher echelons of power in the United States, and you are supposedly working with the Trump administration, you have a vested interest in keeping Epstein alive.
	Do you not?
	Oh, I think from the point of view of President Trump, he wanted Jeffrey Epstein alive.
	He wanted Jeffrey Pauling.
	Well, why didn't he do a better job of protecting him if that was the case?
	Yeah, there's no way in the world that President Trump sanctioned Jeffrey Epstein.
	This is not This is not an American hit.
	If this is a hit, and that's my analysis, that's my conclusion on the balance of probabilities, on the evidence as it stands, I'm giving myself an exit, but I'm an intelligence analyst.
	An intelligence analysis is a dynamic thing.
	You keep your opinions under review.
	But there's absolutely no way in the world this is an American hit.
	There is no way.
	American nationals may have done it, but they're working for the Germans.
	No way in the world is the Trump administration involved.
	President Trump is a nice man.
	He just doesn't organize.
	But even if he wanted to, why would he?
	He's no motive.
	Yes, but they had a vested interest, I think we can agree.
	Even so, we have to be more sophisticated than that, I would think.
	If they bring in a prisoner, they know he's going to be targeted, assuming there are some intelligence assets out there, including Gordon Duff, who you work for, in essence, as the editor of Veterans Today, who's a CIA officer.
	And is going to be well aware of whatever role Germany is playing.
	They're going to know someone, and certainly a number of really groups, are going to have a vested interest in killing Epstein.
	So why did not...
	The question is, why did they not protect him?
	Yeah, Warden and I had a duty of care.
	So did the prison staff.
	Clearly, clearly the prison authorities at the Metropolitan Correctional Centre had a duty of care to keep their prisoner alive.
	And clearly it's not good for the prison management that their highest profile prisoner is found dead in his cell at 6.30 in the morning on August the 10th.
	Not good.
	Even if, and it's highly unlikely, he hanged himself, but even if he hanged himself, that points to a serious lapse of care.
	Now, the prison authorities are running around with what I regard nonsense stories about guards falling asleep and so on.
	These are guards whose continued employment is dependent on their following orders.
	I suspect that that's just a cover story for deliberate decisions to create a killing field to allow a death squad to get into the cell and take him out and get the death squad out of the prison and away onto the streets of New York.
	Now, one of the reasons why I reject the suicide theory in the death of Jeffrey Epstein is the multiple fractures to the hyoid bone.
	Now, very few of your listeners will be doctors or medico-legal experts.
	I'm not a doctor, but of course I've had long legal and judicial experience of medico-legal matters and I'm an intelligence analyst.
	Now, the hyoid bone is right up below the jaw bone.
	Effectively, it backs onto the mandible.
	So it's high up in the neck.
	We don't normally see hyoid fractures in a hanging.
	That's not impossible.
	I'm not saying you never have a fracture of the hyoid bone in a hanging.
	Sometimes you will find a fracture of the hyoid bone, particularly if the hanging has gone wrong.
	But, but, normally the view is that the hyoid bone is too high, and if we have multiple fractures of the hyoid bone, which is quite strong, that indicates or suggests, particularly in the case of adults, that suggests strangulation.
	Now, by that I mean strangulation, murder, not homicide, not suicide.
	Multiple fractures of the hyoid bone points away from suicide.
	It points towards homicide.
	The bone, remember, is ossified in the case of adults.
	If he was an adolescent, if he was aged 17, I would attach less weight to the multiple fractures of the hyoid bone because the bone has yet to become ossified.
	It's more flexible.
	We might see...
	If a teenager hangs himself, and sadly some teenagers do, We might see fractures to the high-oad band.
	In the case of a mature adult, and I'm well aware that the bands become more brittle as people get older, that Jeffrey Epstein was a multi-millionaire.
	He was in good health.
	There's no reason to suppose calcium deficiency.
	The multiple fractures of the high-oad band trouble me.
	They point to me towards homicide, not suicide.
	Okay, but my question still is, why wasn't he not protected?
	Why didn't they put him in a different kind of facility where he would be under control?
	That's my point.
	It's not just the autopsy findings pointing towards homicide.
	There's a killing field.
	Someone is creating a killing field.
	They're taking the suicide watches.
	Well, that is suggesting that someone in the so-called good guy side is compromised and allowed for this to happen.
	Absolutely.
	One of the sad things of life is that in a bureaucracy, people who are weak will do bad things or allow bad things to happen, like a prisoner being murdered.
	Because they're getting orders from higher up the payroll.
	They're not strong enough.
	Okay, but who would be instrumental on the American side for making sure that Epstein stayed alive, for example?
	Oh, I think the Attorney General clearly wanted Epstein, did not want Epstein to die.
	So he failed.
	So why did he fail?
	Are you trying to suggest that the German DVD outsmarted these people, or was there a deal made behind the scenes, which is what I would say, by the Americans and the Germans to allow him...
	On this one, I think, my analysis, the DVD just walked all around the Trump administration.
	You think everyone is stupid?
	They're that stupid, really?
	Well, Mr.
	Barr is not stupid.
	It would be quite wrong of me to say I've never met him.
	General Barr is, in America, as an American Solicitor General once explained to me, Michael, in America we're called generals, whereas in England the Attorney General is called Mr.
	Attorney.
	So when I address an English Attorney General, as I have done, I will say Mr.
	Attorney.
	If I address an American Solicitor General, as I have, I will call him General.
	General Barr is not stupid, even though he's Attorney General.
	He's actually not a bad lawyer, even though he's Attorney General.
	But he's not a man, no offence intended, but he's not a man of high intelligence.
	If you're an intelligence officer, The DVDs are run by smart people.
	Yeah, but they're not that smart.
	I mean, you know, the bottom line here, you know, again, I have to look at the situation.
	We've got several levels of intelligence agencies in our own country.
	We've got several levels of the Trump administration who all have a vested interest in seeing Epstein kept alive to pursue certain charges.
	And to out, actually, what the whole thing is about is really not even Epstein, but it's about outing what is in essence called pedogate, as you may know.
	Correct.
	So in other words, there are smart people.
	They're at least as smart as Mia.
	I hope to give them at least that much credit.
	And I have a very high IQ aside from that.
	But I have to say that so do these people working for our intelligence agencies.
	Aside from Barr, Barr's not the only one in charge.
	So why was he allowed to be killed unless they made a deal to have it done?
	I don't think a deal was done.
	I just don't think they were good enough to stop it.
	You see, the Trump administration does not control federal prison.
	The Trump administration has a very limited degree of control over the federal bureaucracy.
	And it's not just a question of intelligence, but also a question of information.
	President Trump has yet to read Spy Hunter.
	All attempts to get a copy of Spy Hunter to the president have failed.
	They've all been intercepted.
	We've made several attempts, but they've all failed.
	And the...
	Nobody's gone to the President and briefed him in about the DVD. So they, President Trump and General Barr will not have known where the threat was coming from.
	They would have thought prima facie, he was safe in a federal prison cell, You know, that's the natural response.
	I wouldn't think that.
	I mean, you know, to be honest, I mean, I don't think there's any, I think if you probably look at the history of federal prisons in general in America, you're not going to get a very good impression of what goes on there.
	In other words, I know somebody.
	I interview Captain Mark Richards repeatedly.
	I believe that's Solano.
	I think it's a state or federal prison.
	I don't know which.
	I think federal.
	And he's been a prisoner there for a long time.
	And he says it's unbelievable what goes on.
	The amount of drugs coming in, the amount of...
	Isn't that a state...
	I mean, I've shared cells and shared...
	Not shared cells, but I've shared...
	Prisons with people who've been extradited from the states and give me a blow-by-blow account of American prisons.
	But state prisons, not well run.
	It depends on the state, of course.
	Are you suggesting that the Fed, I mean, my understanding is that the Manhattan prison was riddled with rats, for example.
	Yeah, rats and cockroaches, yes.
	Presidents were allowed to keep pets in their cells.
	It sounds almost as bad as Her Majesty's present Pentonville, which has a particularly bad reputation for cockroaches.
	It's a badly designed building.
	It was designed in the 70s, wasn't it?
	Almost by definition, it was a badly designed building.
	Yes, there was an infestation problem.
	But they haven't had a suicide, well, the last suicide at the Metropolitan Correctional Centre was in 1998.
	That's a pretty good record.
	Well, I'm not so sure.
	It looks like CNN, one day ago, has done a headline here, Epstein's death reveals the outrageous state of federal prisons.
	And, by the way, I guess you're aware that Attorney General Barr has actually changed the leadership recently, just in the last couple days ago.
	Changed the leadership of the federal prisons.
	The federal prisons.
	Changed the leadership of the MCC. The federal prisons.
	The federal prisons, yeah.
	That's quite right, too.
	Right.
	So, I mean, in other words, what that suggests is that there's a leak that they were not in control and that there was something going on within the federal prison.
	Where someone was letting in the DVD, as you call it, if that's who killed him, and the other people were turning the other way or whatever.
	It's a very interesting dynamic.
	I have, I think...
	A higher estimation of their ability to protect this man if they wanted him protected, if indeed he's dead.
	I think it's very questionable that they would simply walk in and kill the guy unless someone at a very high level had okayed it.
	Are we talking about, you know, who are we talking really is running this situation?
	Because I guess it doesn't bode well for the future of any other prosecutions along the lines of Pedogate and so on.
	Indeed it doesn't.
	We're talking high-level penetration of the Department of Justice and high-level penetration of the federal prison bureaucracy.
	There are bad guys up at the top, high up at the payroll in both the DOJ and the federal prison bureaucracy.
	I'm not sure why the changes that the General Barr has announced in the last couple of days, as you say, I'm not sure why those changes have been made.
	I suspect it's not based on counterintelligence, accurate counterintelligence advice.
	That's partly because you guys are dependent on the FBI for your counterintelligence, and that's one of the reasons why American counterintelligence...
	Relying on the FBI is a joke because the FBI are run from Frankfurt.
	So you can't rely on the FBI to investigate.
	All right.
	Well, what about the CIA? You know, they're not angels, as you know.
	So the CIA is heavily infiltrated.
	It's also a worldwide organization, not just centered in the United States.
	Who do you think runs the CIA? The first three directors of the CIA were German spies.
	Remember, the CIA was set up at the suggestion of Admiral Canaris.
	To say nothing of Dulles.
	Alan Foster Dulles is a German spy.
	Right.
	So, are you suggesting that the CIA is just as infiltrated and controlled as the FBI? Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	The CIA is...
	Heavily penetrative and has been since it was set up.
	I'd say the first director was a German spy.
	Okay, then how is it that the American intelligence service is infiltrated?
	Let's see, the British are infiltrated and you're saying the Mossad is not infiltrated?
	How does that work?
	I know Mossad have been infiltrated and it's well known in the intelligence community and it's out in the public domain.
	That I identified the top highest ranking German asset inside Mossad and blew him.
	So the Germans, one of the reasons the Germans don't like me, I identified their top man in Mossad and told Mossad.
	And that's a matter of record.
	Okay, yes, I recall that.
	We're talking about someone who's still alive.
	But I also identified Shimon Peres as a German asset.
	Right, I remember.
	Peres was working for the Germans.
	Okay, but again, I would like to know, you know, when you say the Germans, are you really referring to a command and control center down in Antarctica?
	What are you talking about, really?
	No, I'm referring to the DVD which is headquartered at Dachau in Bavaria, near Munich.
	Okay, but who is running that?
	I mean, there must be individuals running it.
	Do you know their names?
	Well, actually, no.
	We know Bush 41 was a very senior DVD officer.
	One of the problems with the DVD is it's split into factions.
	Indeed, it's one of the reasons why we know so much about them, because there are two main factions, and They've turned on each other.
	One faction turned on quite a charming man, although he was certainly a very formidable intelligence officer, called General Obust Marcus Wolfe.
	He's one of my sources on the DVD. And the Germans got into a hell of a panic when they discovered I had Marcus's home phone number in East Berlin, which he'd given me.
	Well, actually, he's not quite right.
	He authorised a DVD agent who was in his faction to give it to me.
	So Marcus's phone number was actually given to me by a DVD officer who was in the same faction.
	Now, one faction which was associated with Errol Canaris, you know, I'll log on, but the faction that had been associated with Canaris and was associated with Rockefeller really went after Marcus.
	And Marcus is very bitter about that, understandably, and Marcus is willing to talk about the DVD. And so you've got factions within the agency.
	I am not sure of the identity of the personnel at the top of the agency at the moment.
	Okay, are you suggesting that some of them are Americans at the top?
	Absolutely, yes.
	No question of that.
	Well, put it this way, American dual nationals, American citizens holding the nationality of European countries, not necessarily Germany.
	You've got to think of Austria, Switzerland.
	There are a number of European countries where you've got citizens who hold nationality of the European country, Yes, we know that about the Bush family.
	We understand that about the Bush family in general, actually.
	Yeah, they're ethnically German.
	That's the point.
	Loyalty to the fatherland goes down five, sometimes six generations.
	Right.
	Okay, what about the Alex Acosta situation?
	Do you think that he was complicit?
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	Who's that, sorry?
	Acosta.
	Right, remind me.
	He's the one who basically had to resign.
	I forget his exact role in the Trump administration, but he was instrumental in getting Epstein off the charges, as it appeared, in Florida.
	And that was many years.
	So you have a labor secretary.
	Yes, he was labor secretary.
	Yeah, that's an episode in the Epstein story, but I haven't looked at it in great detail.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	I know there was an attempt.
	There was clearly influence brought to bear with a view to not charging him.
	I was surprised when he was charged.
	Actually, right now, as of seven hours ago, there's a headline saying that there's a motion to dismiss the Epstein case.
	Yes.
	Well, I'd understood that he, in fact, had already been dismissed.
	I mean, the case is dead.
	As against Jeffrey Epstein, he's dead.
	Well, maybe we're talking civil or criminal.
	There are a number of people that have filed cases.
	Are you saying that because he's dead?
	There are a whole bunch of civil cases where victims of Jeffrey Epstein...
	And in every case, lawyers for victims of Jeffrey Epstein hoping to grab a slice of his assets.
	So how much of the $577 million in the will will be left by the time the victims have had their slice?
	I don't know.
	I don't wish to sound a bit cynical.
	The lawyers will be in for their 33% or whatever.
	Whatever deal they've reached, a lot of that money will be going to lawyers, not the victims.
	I'd be a lot happier if it all went to the victims.
	It's not all going to go to the victims.
	All right.
	Now, I have another...
	I'm not going to keep you too much longer, and I know I've been really grilling you here, but, you know, people are very...
	It's always a pleasure...
	Kerry, it's always a pleasure to be interviewed.
	It's nice to have intelligent questions, which I wouldn't get on the BBC. Thank you.
	Hypothetically, could you address the idea, even though you don't necessarily believe it, if Epstein were still alive, what would be the motivation there, keeping him alive, and who would be responsible?
	Well, it is very much a hypothetical because I don't believe, I don't buy that he's still alive.
	I'm just asking you to extrapolate.
	Yeah, I mean, it looked like the Mussolini.
	Mussolini was a friend of a friend of mine, Commodore English, who was supposed to be a prosecution witness in my trial and then died sadly.
	He was very too unwell to give evidence.
	But Commodore English actually whacked Mussolini And because Mussolini was whacked by, well, complicated, because Brian was a treble agent.
	Officially, as far as the Germans are concerned, he was a double agent.
	Mussolini trusted him, and he whacked Mussolini.
	So I was friends with a man now dead who was friends with Benito Mussolini.
	Mussolini trusted him, and that's why Brian was able to get close enough to him to whack him.
	Of course, his body was handed over to the partisans with instructions to riddle it with bullets.
	Nobody could tell how he'd actually really died.
	Classic intelligence tactic, that riddle the body.
	Riddle the body, if you whack them and riddle the body with bullets, and everybody thinks that it was the later bullets that did the damage, as it were.
	And the pathologist never checks to see whether...
	If you've got 20 or 30 bullets in a body, Pathologist just says, okay, he's been shot.
	Never really examines whether these are post-mortem wounds or not.
	The Mussolini was rescued by Otto Scorsini, who was a senior DVD officer.
	Otto Scorsini set up the destruction of the Comet airliners in 1954 and set up the IRA, or the provisional IRA. Skorzeny rescues Mussolini.
	And so, yes, the Germans might have staged an elaborate rescue to get one of their guys out of federal prison.
	So let's assume the challenges are genuine.
	Let's assume, which they probably were, let's assume that the decision to arrest him was the American justice system working as it should.
	Let's assume the Germans are concerned that their guys in the Metropolitan Correctional Center, they want to get him out.
	Yeah, you get him out and then you fake up a body and you've got a substitute body and everything that Jeffrey Epstein did when he's still alive.
	So, in other words, you would say, hypothetically, if he's alive, he would be alive because of the German DVD interfering again.
	Only the DVD would have the ability to put together an operation like that.
	I don't buy it.
	I think even the DVD would not be able to do that.
	It's fooling the...
	You're not just talking the New York City corridor, Barbara Samson.
	I think that's...
	I've got her name right.
	Apologies if I haven't.
	But you're fooling Dr.
	Michael Baden.
	He's a serious pathologist.
	So you're not just fooling the medical examiner.
	I mean, anybody can fool the medical examiner.
	But you're fooling a serious...
	You're fooling a serious pathologist, Michael Baden.
	Who was the senior pathologist on the House Committee on Assassinations, which was about the first time the American Congress...
	It was probably the only time in history the American Congress has actually run a serious investigation.
	Dr.
	Baden is a very, very...
	I hope I pronounced his name correctly.
	I never met him.
	But he's a very, very good forensic pathologist.
	And he's independently representing the family.
	Now, if they were switching bodies, I don't think anybody would let an independent pathologist in on the autopsy in the first place.
	But you've got to...
	It's not just a question of getting Jeffrey Epstein out of prison.
	You've got to get a body into the autopsy.
	That's where the theory...
	That's where the rescue theory falls down.
	Okay.
	It's the replacement body.
	Yeah, yes.
	Spiriting somebody out of prison, all right, okay, yes, that's been done before, and we know that Mussolini was rescued by Skorzeny in 1943.
	Yeah, the Germans have done that plenty of times.
	They got Blake out of, was it Wandsworth Prison or Wormwood Scrubs?
	Their man, Blake, was sprung from prison with the help of the Home Office and the Cabinet Office because the Cabinet Secretary today was a German spy.
	You've got to get...
	Spurting somebody out of prison is one thing.
	Faking up a hanging and having a body wheeled into an autopsy and persuading, not just a medical exam, and I say they're easy to fool, but a serious pathologist as well, that this is Jeffrey Epstein, that's difficult.
	Well, how about paying them off?
	With DNA and facial recognition software, I don't think it's doable.
	Well, okay, what about threats and payoffs, etc.?
	There's an interesting headline out in the news today.
	Well, that would have to implicate Michael Baton as well.
	Sure.
	And he's one of the good guys.
	All right.
	You're talking a serious, a very professional man, a very distinguished forensic pathologist.
	Sure.
	I find it very, very, I would need a lot of persuading that Dr.
	Biden had taken a payoff.
	All right, fair enough.
	Now, there is a headline out here I want you to react to.
	Hillary Clinton blames Russia for Jeffrey Epstein's suicide.
	Well, that's a bit strange.
	It's strange on two levels.
	Well, of course, you know, this gets into the Democrats.
	If Hillary Clinton is saying it was suicide, how do you blame Russia?
	It's actually suicide in quotes, so it may be that she's referring to Russia.
	Oh, I see.
	Well, that makes more sense.
	Blaming Russia for suicide seems a bit difficult.
	Was it a bad, you know, was it a particularly poorly played Tchaikovsky symphony that he listened to and decided to top himself?
	All right, suicide in the very comments, so Hillary Clinton's hinting he was murdered.
	Yep, okay, that makes sense.
	Russia, I mean, Hillary Clinton was a senator for New York.
	Surely she understands that the Russians don't control federal prisons in New York State.
	I mean, part of the thing is the Russians have no motive to whack Epstein, but there's no way in the world they could have done it.
	How are they going to get a bunch of Russians into a metropolitan correction centre?
	I think that's farcical.
	I think Hillary Clinton thinks the Russians brought down MH17 over the Ukraine, overlooking the fact that the plane was brought down over the Ukraine, not over Russia.
	It was brought down by the Ukrainians, not the Russians.
	Hillary Clinton thinks Putin's a bad guy.
	She probably thinks that the Russians are running around with Novichok in Salisbury.
	Okay, so while we're on the subject, do you think that the Russian intelligence agencies are infiltrated by the DVD? Absolutely.
	And again, I've been responsible for passing the word long to Moscow of a top German asset In the Russian government, obviously not Putin, he was one of the good guys, but I did identify a Russian asset and also his wife.
	His wife was an operative and she was wearing the trousers in this particular household and his influence waned after.
	He was left in place but his influence waned and then he was very cooperative with the Russians.
	So yes, I've identified, not only is there penetration, but I've helped identify A leading DVD asset.
	I mean, I suppose, without blowing my own trumpet, if I don't blow my own trumpet, nobody else will.
	I'm probably the world's leading expert on the DVD. I mean, there are others.
	Professor Paul Methurst is another one who's very good.
	But I'm probably the world's leading expert on the DVD. The free world's expert.
	Obviously, they're experts in Germany, but they're working for the bad guys.
	So if you want And if you want help on DVD penetration, then come to me.
	It was a shooting in Texas, as we had recently.
	I'm probably the go-to person, if only law enforcement were interested in finding out who'd set up the murders on their patch.
	Okay.
	Now, I know I've kept you for a while.
	We did have a sort of rocky beginning.
	That's okay.
	I've finished work for the day.
	I should emphasize for your viewers that it's getting late in England, but it's not past my bedtime.
	Okay, so I thought we might open it up to the chat room for questions and see where they want to go with this.
	So, anyone who has a question, rather than have me scroll back through your questions, if you can retype them and in all caps, Will be very helpful simply because the rest of the chat is in lowercase.
	So if you can put your question in quickly, I will ask it of Michael while he's still here.
	Yep.
	And we're not looking for statements.
	We haven't got brilliant quality lines.
	Apologies.
	Okay, we're not looking for statements, we're looking for questions.
	That means the end of the phrase should have a question mark in theory.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Now, so far I guess it's taken a bit of time, whoever is interested in asking a question, to put something in the chat.
	Okay, but we've got a terrible amount of infiltration by the DVD, by the Germans, in essence, in both the FBI and the CIA, and you're saying that everybody involved in the Trump administration was not smart enough,
	and that includes the remote viewers, the intelligence agencies having divisions of remote viewers who would not have Had the forethought to say Epstein is going to be, they are going to attempt to take him down and who might be involved.
	So that's really your position.
	Absolutely.
	A big counterintelligence failure.
	Okay.
	Basically the Germans have gone into a federal prison, whacked one of their own people to stop him talking.
	Not good.
	Okay.
	One question here.
	Is there a part of the world that the DVD has not infiltrated?
	That's a very good question.
	Extremely good question.
	It's such a good question I've asked it of myself.
	I'm not sure.
	I think the probable answer is Greenland.
	Well, Trump has just offered to buy Greenland.
	Perhaps you haven't heard.
	Oh, yeah, no, no.
	That was partly why I mentioned Greenland.
	I'm one of the few lawyers that's ever had a call at a Crown Court in England saying, could Mr.
	Shundon answer the phone?
	There's a message for you.
	Sorry?
	Hello?
	Okay, um, hello?
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yeah, I apologize.
	Your listeners, I hope I'm not sounding rude, but the line is poor, and sometimes I'm cutting across you without intending to.
	Are you still hearing me?
	Now we are.
	There was a break at some point.
	It appeared you went off the air.
	No, well, yeah, I didn't go anywhere.
	The line is not 100%, I'm afraid.
	Yeah, Greenland, there isn't a DVD station in Nuke so far as well.
	There isn't a DVD station in Nuke.
	There are some small territories where they don't have stations and there's not much intelligence activity going on.
	But generally speaking, any serious government is going to be penetrated by the DVD. I mean, they haven't got anything in Pitcairn Island so far as I know, but there aren't a lot of people on Pitcairn Island full stop.
	They're a bit light in Fiji.
	There are places where they're not Particularly thick on the ground, but by and large either they or their sister agencies will have most bases covered.
	All right, what is their role within the Vatican in that case?
	Ah, now you see the Vatican is an intelligence, the Vatican is largely an intelligence bureaucracy.
	I know they do religion as well, and religion is one of their core functions, but they're also an intelligence bureaucracy.
	And they're a lot older than the DVDs.
	And the DVD of Johnny Come Lately, they were set up in 43, 44.
	It's a process that starts in 43, goes into 44.
	Abwehr is shut down July 44.
	The DVD then takes over the Abwehr's overseas networks.
	The Vatican had been in the intelligence game for about 1,500 years before the Germans got involved.
	The Germans got involved seriously in the mid-19th century.
	You've got secret societies like the various secret societies that are linked into the Vatican that are operating in Germany, one set up by Adam Weishaupt.
	You've got the it's complicated.
	It's not so much a question of DVD assets in the Vatican as the bad guys in the Vatican working closely With the DVD. The Illuminati, set up in the 18th century, very closely tied into the Vatican.
	They're operating initially in Bavaria.
	So you've got two sets of bad guys working together.
	But the Vatican is complex because you've also got the good guys in the Vatican.
	The Vatican is...
	It's a constant state of flux with battles between the good guys and the bad guys, which are sometimes reflected as we have at the moment.
	We've got two popes, you've got a good pope and a Jesuit pope, reflecting a massive internal battle inside the Vatican.
	Okay, now I know that someone's asking here in the chat about Australia being infiltrated, and of course they are, by the DVD, and you've already mentioned that earlier in the interview, they might have missed that.
	Yeah, the Germans assassinated the Australian Chief of Staff.
	The Australian Army Chief of Staff was assassinated in 1940 in a sabotage, Lockheed Hudson airplane was sabotaged, that was 1940.
	There's long been a German station in Canberra, And it's very influential.
	And the Australian federal bureaucracy is heavily penetrated.
	It's almost impossible to get serious advice through.
	I've tried it myself.
	Well, what about the upper echelons of the government?
	Sorry, what about?
	What about the upper echelons of the government?
	Yeah, that's the problem.
	See, the Germans target the upper echelons.
	Now, what they do is they, with Ted Heath, for example, they recruited him in 1937.
	And they're talent-spotting.
	They think, okay, this guy's going to be Prime Minister one day or in the Cabinet.
	So they push their own people.
	And they're very good at talent-spotting and picking guys when they're young.
	And they gradually work their way up to the top.
	Sometimes they just go straight in and somebody's already at the top gets compromised.
	Okay, well, what about China then?
	Well, China, Mao Zedong, remember, was a German asset.
	Brian English knew Mao Zedong.
	So I've known a man who knew Mao Zedong.
	Mao, who was also a pedophile, worked for the Germans.
	And on the long march, you actually have German intelligence officers disguised as missionaries going along with them.
	Like you're a communist, what would you need a missionary for?
	To say grace before meals?
	I mean, it's ludicrous.
	But the world bought into this idea because the photographs, and of course, photographs are usually always controlled.
	Mousy Toulton puts out a photograph.
	These are not holiday snaps that somebody's walked off with.
	He's sanctioned the release of these photos.
	So the Germans are missionaries, are disguised as missionaries.
	And missionaries are, you know, it's great for missionaries.
	They make great intelligence officers missionaries.
	Great cover.
	Nuns are even better.
	So you've got a couple of missionaries and they're handcuffed and they're in chains and they're captured prisoners according to the photographs but of course they're nothing of the sort.
	As soon as the photographer's put his camera away the chains cut off and the boys get off their horses and away you go.
	They're running the show.
	So the Chinese Communist Party was set up by German intelligence.
	Remember Marx was a German intelligence asset.
	Communism is a fake, completely fake ideology, dreamt up by a German intelligence asset for German intelligence reasons.
	Okay, now someone is also asking, there's some questions that are completely off topic that I'm afraid we can't do right now.
	Are you feeling, or what's your feeling about You said Trump you think is a good guy.
	Someone is asking, do you think Trump is involved in the scandal alone with Epstein?
	In other words, I guess, you know, Trump has been seen to have gone to his island.
	What do you think that's about?
	Yes, I think it's perfectly clear that Epstein was targeting Trump.
	The Germans have been targeting Trump for a long time.
	So Epstein would have been given instructions to invite Donald Trump out to his island and try and compromise it, but it doesn't seem to have worked.
	In fact, it clearly hasn't worked.
	So, yeah, I think Epstein, I've no doubt Epstein was targeting Donald Trump before he became president, but that didn't work.
	A little bit like the Duke of York.
	Epstein was clearly dangling...
	He saw young girls in front of the Duke of York, hoping to trap the Duke of York, but he didn't get very far.
	The Duke of York is a very nice man.
	I've never met him.
	I know a number of people who know his royal highness.
	He is a very nice man, and he's not going to take advantage of some vulnerable underage girl.
	It's just not his stars, not his thing.
	He and the Duchess of York have got back together again.
	Okay, what about Prince Andrew?
	Well, that's, sorry, His Royal Highness, the Duke of York, is Prince Andrew, yes.
	Oh, I see, okay.
	The Queen's second son, yes.
	Prince Andrew is Royal Highness, the Duke of York.
	I see.
	Okay, now what about the idea that the coroner was paid off somebody?
	Again, I know you've addressed this already, but do you want to say any more remarks about that?
	This is the New York, well, the office used to be called the New York City Coroner, Up till about 1918, I think.
	The New York medical examiner, who I think is Barbara Samson, I don't think she was paid off.
	Payoffs, the Germans don't like, well, part of the thing is it's expensive.
	Paying off people is dangerous because there's always an audit trail.
	So, I mean, there's several problems of paying off.
	Firstly, most people are honest and will reject a bribe.
	There's always the risk if you offer a bribe to someone, they'll just shop you to the police or the inspector general or the mayor, whatever.
	So bribing people is dangerous.
	Somebody tried it to do with a High Court judge in England about 25 years ago and it just blew up in their faces.
	Not least as he was offering Cyprus prices, not London prices.
	So you go to somebody, you try and bribe them, you're automatically committing a crime whether they take the bribe or not.
	It's dangerous.
	Second thing, it's expensive.
	It costs you money, obviously.
	Thirdly, it creates an audit trail, which there's always a danger that the bribe will come back to you.
	The Germans, goodness me, they've gotten into huge problems.
	They just lost Britain, effectively, over a £50 million bung connected with the HS2 railway line, which is about to be canned.
	£25 million of that found its way into the Tory party accounts in exchange for a promise not to have a referendum on Brexit.
	And once I was briefed in on that, I was able to rip...
	That's caused all sorts of problems.
	That's why Boris Johnson was able to campaign for leave in 2016, because he and I had a mutual friend who'd found the money in the Tory party's accounts.
	That was a classic example of a bribe blowing up in the bad guys' faces big time.
	And then...
	Alright.
	It's very, very messy, bribing people.
	Most intelligence officers would shy away from a bribe.
	It's a very dangerous route to go down.
	Now, I don't think the medical examiner is bent, but I don't think she's very good.
	I think she's come up with a A political verdict of suicide because she's not strong enough, frankly, with respect, to go with what I suspect is her real opinion.
	I mean, there are rumors, there are whispers getting out of the examiner's office that she was going to say it was murder, it was homicide.
	And I think she was concerned about the hyoid bones.
	I think those multiple fractures of the hyoid bone really troubled her.
	She's come down with a weak verdict, frankly, that she thinks is going to keep people happy.
	I think, no offense intended, but I just don't think she's very good at her job.
	I think she's honest.
	I think she's honest.
	She's not that bright, no offense intended.
	She's not that bright, and she's not particularly good.
	All right.
	Who is running the IMF? Is the DVD involved?
	Oh, yeah, the IMF and the World Bank, they're basically German fiefdoms, a bit like the United Nations.
	The whole 45 post-war settlement was basically dictated by Canaris.
	It was a farce.
	The end of World War II was a complete farce.
	It wasn't a peace.
	It was an armistice.
	Okay, we're going to have to go a little bit quickly here.
	There's one more question here I'm going to take, which is, Ghislaine Maxwell, will she be suicided next?
	Well, put it this way, if I were Ghislaine Maxwell, she hasn't consulted me.
	If she were to consult me, I would say, up your security, madam.
	Definitely.
	Oh, madam's probably the wrong word to use in this context.
	Ms.
	Maxwell, my advice would be, up your security.
	Yes, she may well be suicided.
	But again, you've got to be a little bit careful.
	You don't want to make it look like a job lot.
	If Ghislaine Maxwell turns up in a field with a bunch of co-proximal just to patch the side, it's going to look a bit odd.
	I think the Jerrys have got to be a little bit careful.
	They've just suicided Epstein.
	I think suiciding Ghislaine Maxwell would look...
	You know, you say it would look a bit like a job lot, wouldn't it?
	It would be a little bit too much of a coincidence.
	Okay.
	I don't think...
	I wouldn't...
	If I was...
	If an insurance company came to me to consult on whether they should insure her life, my advice would be negative.
	Don't go anywhere near it.
	I don't think she's going to live much longer, but I think they'll...
	I'd be surprised if they...
	They might well whack her, but they're going to give it a year.
	They're not going to whack her straight away.
	All right.
	Yes, that's an interesting idea.
	All right.
	At this point, Michael, we're going to close this down, and I want to thank you so much.
	You know, you've really been a trooper.
	It's been my pleasure.
	It's been fascinating, I'm sure, at least for me and I think my audience as well.
	Always interesting to talk to you.
	I want to recommend your book, Spy Hunter, and also let people know that I've interviewed you a number of times.
	And in person as well about your book.
	That was a few years ago.
	So for people interested, that's available on my YouTube channel.
	Any parting words you'd like to say about current events in general with regard to this situation or anything else?
	Well, it is a pleasure to be on the show.
	I apologize to listeners for the poor quality of the phone line.
	And I apologize if I've sounded rude.
	At times I've probably sounded like I'm cutting across you, but that's because I'm not hearing you.
	So you haven't heard me at all times and I haven't heard you.
	It's been a poor line for which neither of us is to blame.
	I'm optimistic.
	I'm a Brit.
	I'm optimistic by definition.
	We've got a big battle starting and heading tomorrow, the third Test match, and my prediction is that England will beat Australia in the Ashes and that will cheer everybody up.
	I think we will be leaving the European Union on the 31st of August, so 31st of October.
	So we'll be out of the evil empire by the end of October, and that can't come a moment too soon.
	I look forward to a free trade deal between America and Britain, which is something the Germans have been trying to stop since 1945.
	It should have happened in 1918, actually, never mind 1945.
	And I suspect President Trump will be re-elected comfortably next year.
	And I just hope something...
	I just hope somebody gets a copy of Spy Hunter to the President and I hope somebody gets a message through to John Bolton to give him my cell phone number and please give me a ring.
	We need to talk.
	There will be, I'm afraid, since nobody's briefed in John Bolton or the President about the DVD setting up these shootings in Ohio and Texas, there are bound to be more mass shootings.
	I'm afraid I don't like the idea of it, but the Germans have got away with that tactic for so long that it's going to be a while before we can stop them.
	So I think there'll be a few more mass shootings, sadly.
	I'd be a bit wary if I was in America.
	People look out for shooters.
	I have to ask you, what is the motivation for the Germans wanting to have, in essence, gun control, which seems to be the objective of the mass shootings?
	Yeah, it's odd.
	I mean, I think it's deeply sinister in the sense that an armed citizenry is a free citizenry, which is why you have the Second Amendment.
	It is the Second Amendment, isn't it?
	I haven't got a copy of the U.S. Constitution in front of me.
	Americans have a right to bear arms, and that is absolutely fundamental, because an armed citizenry is much more difficult to control.
	Lying behind this manic desire to impose gun control on America, there's some really wacky agenda there that I find deeply troubling.
	It's a question you'd better ask the Jerry's rather than myself.
	But I think there is a deeply, deeply troubling agenda to do with disarming US citizens.
	Any suggestion of gun control is firmly to be resisted.
	President Trump is going to wobble a little bit because he's a good politician, and he will know that the politics of it are not that brilliant at the moment.
	And the National Rifle Association, I do wish somebody would...
	My links to the NRA went some years ago, and I just can't get through to them at the moment.
	They've just not been briefed in.
	They've not been told who's organising the shootings and why.
	Well, along those lines, people will be wondering why I don't ask you about the role of the secret space program with regard to all of this.
	And in essence, you don't subscribe to the idea that we have one, is that right?
	Well, the US has military space programs, so they're a part of the US space program.
	They're not advertised.
	But you don't have a secret space program in the way the Germans do.
	The Germans had, or still have, a secret space program.
	Don't you think that Project Paperclip made the German program and the US program one?
	Well, again, the penetration was one of the problems.
	Remember, Wernher von Braun was a German asset.
	He reported he was DVD.
	That's my point exactly.
	He helped set up the murders of Grissom and White.
	There was a chaffee, the Apollo 1 astronauts who were murdered.
	It was the Germans who organized the short circuit there.
	It was Von Braun who pushed the idea of oxygen in the capsule, which was madness.
	All you needed was a spark, and that was the end of that.
	So the Germans organized the murder of the Apollo 1 astronauts.
	They tried to sabotage the Apollo programs.
	The Germans sabotaged Apollo 13.
	Yes, but in essence they became part of it.
	I actually met Jim Lovell.
	He did a wonderful job getting Apollo 13 back to Earth.
	That was a German effort.
	Okay, but do you understand that they basically infiltrated America through Project Paperclip?
	Yeah, paperclip was a German operation, absolutely.
	Everybody in charge of paperclip was a German spy.
	Well, I mean, you have to, at the end of the day, when you keep referring to Germany this, Germany that, when the end of the day, if our secret space program is heavily, you know, NASA, etc., etc., and our echelons of the government are infiltrated by the Germans, then in essence we are the forthright, which is exactly what Jim Mars had been writing a book about.
	Well, yes and no.
	I mean, America is heavily penetrated, and Britain is not—I'm not getting at you guys specifically.
	All major countries in the world are heavily penetrated.
	The Canadians are even worse problem than you have.
	But the—no, America is not the Fourth Reich.
	The Fourth Reich is the Federal Republic of Germany.
	But German influence over America is such that you have a major—a really big problem with German penetration.
	So do we.
	And the key thing is for Britain and America to break free of German control.
	Brexit is part of that process, but there's no point in Britain leaving the European Union and leaving German assets in place in the Cabinet Office and elsewhere.
	We have to shut down the German intelligence operation in London called GO2. We have to shut down the German listening post, which has been tapping cabinet ministers' phones.
	Brexit is only part of that process of liberation.
	You guys are breaking free.
	You've freed up the government because you've got a good man in Trump in the White House.
	So you've freed up the government, but you haven't freed up the federal bureaucracy, which is why we're talking about the murder by German agents of Jeffrey Epstein, a German asset in a federal prison in New York.
	Absolutely.
	All right, so again, Michael, thank you again, and hopefully we can do this sometime in the future.
	I do hope you are successful in getting your barrister, whatever you call that, your title.
	I want my wig back, yes.
	Yes, I hope that is successful.
	I want my wig back, most assuredly.
	Put it this way, I have not sold my wig and gowns.
	Don't anybody send me an email saying, hey, I'm about to become a barrister.
	Will you sell me a secondhand wig and gown?
	I'm hanging on to my wig and gown.
	All right.
	Very good.
	All right.
	Thank you, everyone, for watching.
	And I'm glad we were able to get the phone line to work in the end.
	And so take care.
	We will edit this and put it up on my other main channel.
	And so hopefully that will be live later today.
	Outstanding.
	All y'all have a good day.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay.
	Bye-bye.
	So that is Michael Shrimpton, and I can understand that some people will find some of his views controversial.
	I do recommend you read his book, which is fascinating.
	And it is available on my website, the link over to Amazon as well.
	So find his book on Amazon.
	And I believe he now, I do think he has a PDF version of his book.
	So you can, you know, if you're not in the UK, obviously you're not going to want to get a hardback book.
	But at any rate, so this I have tried to put together a roundtable on the Epstein case.
	I was not successful up to this time.
	I will be tapping some other individuals and seeing if we can get some other people to come forward with their ideas about this.
	I can say that certain people have differing opinions.
	To Michael Shrimpton.
	And so we'll have to pursue that as time goes on.
	And I will be back in the next few days with some more shows.
	Also in about a week and a half I'm going to be appearing in a festival conference in Yelm, Washington.
	All of those details are on my website.
	If you go to events, you will be able to see a drop down there and get the details and how to buy tickets, etc.
	So if you're interested, I am speaking in Yelm, Washington.
	Along with Alex Collier, Simon Parks will be...
	On video there.
	And we've also got Joanne Richards, Mark Richards' wife.
	And we've got several other fascinating speakers, including Randy Kramer, the super soldier.
	So highly recommending that conference coming up in about a week and a half on Labor Day weekend.
	So take care and Project Camelot is in dire need of funding at this time.
	We have very few finances available at all and I'm afraid donations have been down a bit.
	I'm working as hard as ever so would really appreciate anybody who wants to see my work continue.
	To donate even $5 would be very helpful.
	Considering the numbers of people out there, we have something like 231,000 viewers that are subscribers.
	And if each person donated $5 or $1 even, we'd be fine.
	And so that's to be considered.
	The donate links are on my website, projectcamelot.tv, projectcamelotportal.com, projectcamelot.org.
	They all go to the same place.
	So that would be very much appreciated to keep us going.
	I am trying to raise funds to go interview Mark Richards again in Solano Prison.
	In Northern California in about two weeks time.
	A little over that, I believe.
	So any funds you can donate would be very helpful.
	Take care and have a great night.

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