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Aug. 23, 2019 - Project Camelot
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PRINCE PAUL MAMAKOS - JOURNEYS OUT OF BODY
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Thank you.
Thank you.
We have a fascinating guest, as always, Prince Paul Mamakos.
He has dubbed himself a prince and maybe he can explain about that.
It's great to have you here, Paul.
Welcome.
Good afternoon, Carrie.
Hello everybody.
Okay, very good.
So you are an author and you've obviously had a lot of out-of-body experiences and hopefully we can share some of those today.
Welcome again and what we could do is give yourself an introduction because I didn't have a great deal of bio information for you and I did put what we have on our website.
I'm 43 years old.
If you're into astrology, I'm a Cancer sign and Chinese Year of the Dragon.
In my 19 years old, I had a sleep paralysis experience and that led me into out-of-body experiences.
And in my fifth year of going out of body, I went through oneness.
I had many oneness experiences and then I expanded out to the universe and I became nothing.
I ceased to be and it was.
That experience happened.
So what I've written about in my first book was the three stages of out-of-body experiences.
The third stage being oneness.
A lot of out-of-body experiences will go into the second stage but never reach the third stage.
So I thought it'd be good to write after over 20 years of going out-of-body to help other people.
And what I'm focusing on now is, in addition to spiritual enlightenment, is the physical enlightenment.
So that when you go in and out of your Your own journeys that you'll be cushioned here in life here on the physical planet.
So that's my passion.
After my sleep paralysis experience, I heard about out-of-body experiences on the radio, the RPL radio program, within a few days of my out-of-body experience.
So I tried for many months, like eight to ten months, meditating every day to try and go out-of-body.
After I learned about many of these books and authors like Jane Roberts and Carlos Castaneda and other people, Robert Monroe.
So my first out-of-body experience, I was laying down and my mind went into an area of nothingness or no thought, but I was still aware and alert.
And as they talk about Taoism, the energy from my head went to my Dan Tian, or just below my stomach, and the energy from my feet came up to my Dan Tian, and I rose out as a ball of energy.
In my first out-of-body experience and I re-entered and exited.
I did that a few times and then I came back in my body.
Okay, so what I wanted to do is talk about, in other words, the kind of progression from time to time In other words, how you have gotten from where you are today, and obviously we don't know where you are today, other than here, but you know what I'm saying?
In other words, can you track your progress a bit?
Tell us the story of that.
Yeah, sure.
In my younger years, in my high school years, I was into science.
I was a scientist.
There's a phone ringing.
As I got into high school, I had to take religious classes because I went to a Catholic high school.
And I was like an atheist or agnostic at that time.
But those classes that I had to take, at least one of those classes every semester or trimester.
And later on when I got into college, I was running a lot and I was using my mind a lot too for the classes that I was studying.
So There came a semester where I stopped running and for some reason I kind of was consolidating somehow my activities and instead of running I was just taking a semester of fun classes and one of those was flying airplanes.
So I don't know if the airplanes helped out, flying airplanes, but that combined with not running and combined with the energy you would need And a thought you would need to study for a class to be really sharp.
And one morning I woke up and I had sleep paralysis.
So those things combined, and I also mentioned pizza.
Pizza kind of took out the body, but my mind was sharp.
And all those things together, I think, contributed to that sleep paralysis, which is an in-between experience between being in your body and being out of body.
It's like...
Body of sleep, mind awake.
You know, mind awake, body of sleep, like in yoga.
So in college, I was studying nuclear engineering for the first two years, so I was still continuing that search that I had maybe in high school and in my younger years for astronomy and the astronaut kind of stuff, space.
So I continued that.
I consider that I continued that nuclear physics or I was interested really in theoretical physics.
I continued with that into the spirituality and so I did another two and a half years in college after that first sleep paralysis experience and later that year I had my first out of body experience and I really went into the yoga and meditation and also I tried a bunch of different things but it was mostly yoga and meditation and in my second year of going out of body I went to an asher.
Well at the end of my first year I went to the Monroe Institute, so I took a program there.
And then within two years, I went to an ashram just to have more of a full-time experience with that kind of thing.
Oh, okay.
So you actually did go to the Monroe Institute?
Yeah.
Within a couple of weeks of my first out-of-body experience.
All right.
Very interesting.
So do you think that that contributed to your knowledge and your abilities?
Yeah, a lot.
Yeah.
The group experience adds a lot.
You get to see everybody's thoughts and opinions and hear their experiences.
So the group thing adds a lot.
You can do stuff on your own at the house, you know, but when other people are experiencing stuff, it's really good.
Okay.
Now, do you have a military background?
When I was like 24 or 25, before my wellness experiences, I joined the Airborne Infantry, I was 82nd Airborne, and I did a year of that before I got myself out.
Okay, when you say you got yourself out, what does exactly that mean?
I requested to be let go, right?
Sorry?
I originally had a Ranger, if you want to go into that, I originally had a Ranger contract, because originally, like every other Western boy of the 80s, I'd seen a lot of Rambo movies and Mission Impossible, and I thought, well, if the Army's like that, I want to maybe be honorable and serve my country and have something exciting and maybe be more physically fit.
When I got to the Ranger school after I'd completed the Airborne school, when I got to the R.I.P. program, it's like a two-week program, I didn't see anyone in charge that I looked up to.
After my first week, I requested to be reassigned, so they sent me to the 82nd Airborne, and I completed another four or five months there.
On our vacation, I went AWOL, and I turned myself in after 40 days, because after a certain period of time, they'll out-process your equipment.
So I turned myself in Actually, around the 30-day mark, I called my base and I said, hey, you know, I'm absent without leave.
And the officer said, yeah, you should stay out another 10 days and then turn yourself in.
So I did at another base.
And since I had driven to that base to turn myself in, they had me drive to Fort Knox.
And over a two-way period of time, they out-processed me.
Yeah.
Okay, but that's not my understanding about what happens when you go AWOL. I thought you actually become under arrest.
Am I wrong?
Well, when I first turned myself in, they locked me up, but it was only until they figured out what to do with me.
So when they got the orders from whoever, they said, since you have a car, can you drive to Fort Knox?
So I turned myself in at Florida at an Air Force base after Watching a space shuttle launch, because I didn't know what was going to happen when I turned myself in.
I saw a space shuttle launch, and then I drove to the Air Force Base, and then they had me drive to Fort Knox.
Okay, but did you have a reason for explaining to them what your reason?
Was it spiritual or whatever?
Well, okay, in the ranger school, in the ranger program, Airborne is supposed to be voluntary, an optional thing.
So when I asked to be reassigned and not to jump out of airplanes anymore because I kind of lost my inspiration for the military, they denied my request not to be in the airborne anymore.
So they violated my choice there, which is supposed to be voluntary.
Okay, but again, how did that work out to where they finally allowed for it?
Is it because you went AWOL? Well, after 40 days, they take your equipment and your locker at the base and they get rid of it.
They out-process it.
So when I left, our unit was on vacation.
I packed everything up really nice in my locker and then I left on my vacation, but I didn't return from vacation.
After 30 days, they start thinking about, if you turn yourself in before the 40, at that time it was 40 days, before the 40 day mark, they'll just bring you back into your unit and they'll demote you and you'll be with everybody again.
I don't know if I got lucky or not, but that's the way it worked at that time.
Okay, very interesting.
Hold on one second.
So, sorry, I've just been trying to fix something behind the scenes here.
So, I mean, it's very interesting that you have this background in the military, then you start going out-of-body, and then you go to Robert Monroe Institute.
Well, I actually did all that before the Army.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, when I was 19, I had my first out-of-body experience, and I got into that for like four years, and then I'd done everything.
Before the third stage of out-of-body experience, I'd done everything.
I'd gone to the center of the Earth, I'd gone off the planet, met other beings, and I was just bored.
So I thought, well, maybe the military would be a good thing for me to do, something interesting.
Well, okay, that's, I mean, that's very interesting.
But now, it just happens to be that the Robert Monroe Institute has a lot of agents, you know, the CIA that go there for training, etc., etc., So did you happen to meet up with those people, and did that have any bearing on you joining the military, for example?
I don't think so, but Skip Atwater, I think, was one of the main people, and Joe McMott.
He was the head of research, but he was also, I think, the unit something at that time for the Stargate people or something.
So did you learn remote viewing at all?
I took that program, but I think that was after the Army.
I took about 10 programs at the Institute over the years.
Oh, really?
Okay.
And what's your impression of Robert Monroe?
A great guy.
It looks like in his third book, he wrote about kind of oneness, and it was so great out of body that he didn't want to go because he wanted to be with his wife.
It seemed like toward the end of his life, he didn't want to go out of body as much because it was so great out there.
But I did have an out-of-body experience, I think within the first four years before the military, where he congratulated me and said, you're like the best out-of-body traveler or something like that.
He shook my hand.
Okay, but for example, you know, if you took remote viewing and you also did out-of-body, then you must know that you can actually meet someone out-of-body and have a dialogue or whatever.
So did you ever, you know, meet up with Robert Monroe while you were doing out-of-body?
Yeah, yeah, I did out-of-body.
That's the only time I ever met him and he shook my hand.
Oh, so that's when that happened.
Right.
Okay.
So, in terms of the remote viewing side of it, do you think that that enhanced your out-of-body experiences in any way?
I think it probably did.
I learned more about clearing your mind and not influencing information that comes in.
I had an out-of-body experience at one of the Monroe programs where they told us to We're going to go to the center of the Earth and see if we can go there.
So I actually went there.
I got to this area at the center.
For me, it was the center of the Earth.
And within the next couple of months after that, I became sensitive to the energies in the environment, like vortexes and all kinds of things like that.
So I think that experience amplified all of that.
The remote viewing, for sure, gave more perspective to different things.
But it is separate, you know.
Right.
Well, before all of this, did you consider yourself psychic?
Did you have, you know, training in any kind of yoga, you know, when you were young?
No.
No?
No.
Okay.
But were you...
Sorry about this.
I have to get that.
My phone should be turned off, so I don't...
Anyway, sorry about that.
So, in terms of when you're young, did you have...
If you had to wait until 19 to go out of body, what did you think you were doing all those other years in your dream state?
Well, I remember in my younger...
In my youth, I would maybe have moonwalking, kind of slow-motion dreams.
Just being a kid and dreaming, I didn't know the context of what a dream was.
I hadn't had any teachings or anything like that.
I used to read a lot of comic books, so that probably influenced me.
I did look back in my 20s at some of those comic books, and they were talking about out-of-body stuff, but for me, it didn't mean anything.
Okay.
And what about, did you read things like, for example, Siddhartha?
No, but I did read Michael Crichton.
I like sci-fi.
I watch a lot of sci-fi movies in my younger days.
Right, okay.
So the intelligence agencies, they never approached you?
No, but no.
But your mention of that book, Sid Arthur, I did read that later on.
I read that.
Okay.
Okay, so the intelligence agencies, even though you went to the Robert Monroe and you've been back several times, you've never been approached.
No, and I thought that maybe when I went in, I would get, you know, I would somehow end up at one of those places.
Maybe if I'd stayed in longer, it would have happened.
I was doing good, but, you know, I wanted...
I didn't want there to be just killing.
I want there to be a reason for doing things.
A ranger school in the military is kind of like a shotgun approach.
It's not Mission Impossible type thing.
You're not going in and being precise.
You are the fodder that goes in and What do you mean?
Can you explain that?
I don't know what you mean by that.
Yeah, in a lot of, say, in the movies, they show you where you're sneaking in, or you're doing battle, and there's a lot of honor, or there's a lot of goodness to what you're doing.
I saw a lot of negativity, but I didn't see any...
Like you volunteered and we're all doing this together.
It's more like cannon fodder.
It's just a shotgun, it's not precision.
Okay, you mean being, are you talking about being a ranger is a shotgun approach?
Are you talking because it's like, I don't know, is a ranger related to being a marine?
Yeah, like that, yeah.
So your boots on the ground, so to speak.
Yeah.
When I took the ASVAB test, I had the opportunity to be military, police, or intelligence, or anything like that.
But I'd seen a lot of war movies in my younger days, and I wanted to be that kind of, you know, Granbo or something kind of thing.
Initially, you wanted to be that?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
But, well, let's, you know what a super soldier is, right?
Yeah, I've seen some of those shows with the guys, yeah.
All right.
And do you feel that, or did you discover in your out-of-body or even viewing or whatever, that you might be utilized as a super soldier?
Did you ever come across that?
Did you have any time on Mars or Moon or any of this?
I've been in battles in my dreams and stuff like that, and one of my horrors, things that wake me up is that, okay, I'm joining the military again.
That's like the worst thing.
Really?
Yeah, I've had dreams of doing it and stuff.
Okay.
Did you have family in the military?
Well, my dad was in the Navy and my mom was in the Army.
Okay, but did they just do short stints in it and then get out?
Or was it a life?
How long was your dad in the Navy, for example?
I think he was at least four years.
I don't know how long after.
I think it was just four years.
And my mom, I don't know how long she was there, but...
After we were born, they weren't doing any military stuff.
My dad was about 50 years old when I was born, and my mom was 30-ish.
Why did you name yourself Prince?
I've experienced oneness.
It's a very rare thing.
For anyone who's beyond the oneness is the one, it's Someone, say, the source or whatever.
So anyone, in my opinion, who has experienced the oneness is either a princess or a prince.
It means there's no competition with other people, because you've realized the essence within all the people.
Whereas on Earth, we have the hierarchy and bloodlines and that kind of thing, and we call those people royal, but really that's more like a prisoner system.
Whereas the universal prince or princess knows the connectivity between all the beings.
Okay.
I wrote about that in my book, my first book.
Right.
And I apologize, I haven't had time to read it.
No problem.
But I am looking through it.
So, in terms of your...
You look like you have been...
In some kind of bloodline situation.
So what is your, like Mamakos, what kind of a last name, what is your background?
It's Greek.
Greek, okay.
And anything else?
Are you mixed with another?
Yeah, I'm half Greek, Italian, Swiss, and I think a little Native American, so very little Native American, but like 25% Italian and 25% Swiss, yeah.
Right.
I know that on my mom's side, her sister and her brother have had out-of-body experiences.
And her dad, my mom's dad, was a mason.
So we only found out that after his death.
So there's some stuff on my mom's side.
Right.
Okay.
So what you do now, I don't know, but you seem to be teaching out-of-body.
Is that right?
Yeah, I'm putting the information out there and making videos.
I have a website, outofbodyjournal.com.
I had a thought earlier this year that I'd like to join an out-of-body journal and kind of share and contribute, so I looked out there.
I didn't see anyone who had created an out-of-body journal, so that was a good way for me to put some of this stuff out there.
My first book was in 2017, so It's been a couple of years since the first book and I started this out-of-body journal thing.
That website is a chat group for other people to contribute their out-of-body experiences and also have some coaching on there where they can, if they would like to one-on-one help or mentoring or if they'd like to be in a group with other people, there's opportunities to get help.
Because in my younger days, I did a lot of stuff that I could help other people In a variety of ways.
I recommend people check it out.
It doesn't look like a normal website.
It just has a sign-in page.
Is that right?
It's a direct link to Discord.
I'm going to let the thing create itself.
I've had businesses before and I've spent a lot of money on different things.
If people want to make it happen, then great.
If you're an out-of-body experiencer or you've had over five years of out-of-body experience and you want to help other people, you can be a mentor too.
So there's opportunity for out-of-body people and meditators and people who do Vipassana to help other people and kind of get together rather than be scattered and have your own books and just be blissful on your own rather than we can be blissful together.
Okay, so what about the idea that there are some people that do out-of-body that also do talk about certain kinds of threats to people that aren't properly prepared?
Can you discuss that?
Yeah.
Channeling or every being you interact with, there's like a stickiness.
In yoga, there's a guy on YouTube named Sadguru, S-A-D-H Guru, Sadguru, and he talks about every interaction you have The word karma, in a sense, it's like when you shake someone's hand or even if you interact with someone, there's an energetic stickiness to every interaction.
When you open yourself to other entities, they're going to have an interaction with your energy and they're going to leave some stuff and there's going to be an exchange.
If you have your own center and you go where you want to go, And interact with beings of like energy with your own path in mind, or higher energies with your own goodness in mind, then you'll be having a better experience than if you just open yourself up to every person.
You don't leave the door in your house unlocked and let everybody in.
You just want to be very specific about who you interact with.
All right.
So have you had any specific experiences?
Because this has been pretty general.
Can you talk about any specific journeys that you made that may or may not have included perhaps any kind of threat that you began to learn that you had to defend yourself through experience?
Did you ever have that experience?
Yeah, I've been out of body and met a very negative, evil type being.
And we're...
And I kind of shielded myself and I got out of there pretty quickly.
And another time, some people were trying to pull me out of my body.
So those are basically the only two negative experiences I've had.
Okay.
Well, in terms of knowing a being is negative, what gave them away in your view?
The feelings, you know, the feelings you got.
Okay.
So it wasn't anything specific that they did, it was simply a feeling.
Okay, here's another experience, okay?
This is within the last two years.
I was at a body, and I saw someone having sex with somebody else, okay?
And then...
After that experience, that person changed into the next sex.
So if it was a man having sex with a woman, that man changed into a woman and then went and had sex with another guy and then changed again back to the opposite.
So this is like a shape-shifting person.
So that was like a negative.
That's the most recent negative thing that I've seen.
Okay.
In terms of Remote viewing and going out-of-body, did you go to places on Earth where conflict was occurring, for example, or political situations, or current political situations?
In other words, have you tried to, through the out-of-body experience, also, in a certain sense, remote view?
I mean, however you view it, have you done that sort of thing?
I've done a few out-of-bodies where I specifically went places.
This isn't one of those experiences, but I've seen like a military spaceship kind of thing before the secret space program and all that stuff came out.
I've seen that.
And I've also seen out-of-body that the Earth was like a prison planet.
So it was controlled and I was out-of-body above the Earth and I saw it.
So those are some sad things I saw in my earlier days of going out-of-body.
Okay.
And what about your understanding and your dealings with various off-world entities, especially, you know, ETs maybe from other planets, etc.?
One time I was at a body and I met some, like, vibrant green beings and they showed me around and then it shook my hand kind of thing.
So we're talking about other beings.
I've seen some...
You can call them greys or whatever.
I've seen some but not in a controlled way where I went and I met those kind of beings.
One time I wanted to go to Mars and I actually got up above the planet and I went there and I came back and then I came back to the Earth.
So I was on the planet, over the planet, and then I went back and forth between in orbit and on the planet and then I came back.
But there weren't any aliens or anything in that situation.
Another time, I really wanted to go and meet like a nature spirit or an elf.
And this is one of those rare experiences where I actually went and I met a being.
And out of body, you can kind of accelerate places.
And then for me, I accelerated.
I got out of body.
I felt around.
And then I had like a direction to go.
And I accelerated there.
And the direction changed.
And then the acceleration continued.
And then I got to this, like, blue spiral that I went down, and then I was in front of this being.
And I asked its name.
It said Vika was the name of this elf, and I was floating in front of it.
And then I didn't have anything else to say, and I came back.
So those are some of the amazing experiences I've had.
Okay, so do you feel that, you know, your, I don't know, your spiritual development has helped you to navigate, I mean, it kind of sounds obvious, but in this sort of out-of-body state, and also do you feel that you're achieving anything by going out-of-body?
Yeah, so you asked about political stuff.
I was never really interested in the The physical level of happenings.
What I think is when you start going out-of-body, if you're not really densely focused in your initial out-of-body experiences, in my first year of out-of-body experiences, I met a lot of beautiful angels and that kind of stuff.
Not angels, but very light beings.
In my first to second year, in my first year of out-of-body experiences, it was mostly in my apartment.
Going out and moving around within my apartment and learning to stay out of body without being drawn back in initially.
But I was more focused on progressing in the out-of-body thing and less interested in the physical world.
In my first to second year of out-of-body experience, I met a lot of beautiful beings.
And then I went beyond that.
I think the third year of out-of-body experience was like astral sex kind of stuff.
And within that time period...
One time, these babies were brought in front of me, and they were kind of like, these are your babies, kind of thing.
But they weren't human.
And then another time I had, in that third to fourth year of out-of-eye experiences, I had sex with some people who weren't human, 100%.
At that point, at the point where I was showing babies, and I tried to kill them, because I didn't agree to have any kids with anybody.
At that point, I said, you know, anything I do is going to have to be in the physical world, any sexual thing or relationship, and out-of-body is just going to be for learning and exploring.
So after that, I didn't do any more astral sex or anything, and it was more about learning about the universe.
Okay, so are there planets outside the solar system, or even inside, I guess, that you've traveled to that you feel that in out-of-body that you have an understanding about how they, and that they may look a certain way or be talked about by scientists in one way, and then you perceive them in a different way since going out-of-body?
Yeah, I've...
With my awareness, I've been beyond the planets within the solar system.
I've been out, but I don't know where I ended up.
I never really developed any interaction with beings on other planets outside our solar system.
Well, I wasn't actually talking about beings.
I was talking about planets, actually.
Oh, I've interacted with planetary beings, for sure.
Go ahead.
Yeah, one time I hadn't had a body experience and there were like two or three globules, large beings, and instead of talking, it was like a movement, like a geometric movement around each other.
So that was pretty big.
Okay, but that doesn't really, again, answer the question.
It has to do with, in other words, if you've been outside the solar system to other planets, did you perceive the lay of the land, what the planet was made of, you know, the atmosphere, that sort of thing?
Do you have any recall of that sort of thing?
No, I've been like an alligator and I've been other people in other bodies but I've never really was into the physically focused geography or chemical makeup or anything like that.
Okay.
What about underwater?
Have you had any sort of dreams about underwater and are you sort of aware of dolphins and whales and do you think yet that you have a relationship to them?
No.
Some of the animals I've met, I've been an alligator, and I've been a rabbit, and I've been picked up by a bird, you know, like I was a prey.
No, I've never had anything.
I've had a dream or a lucid dream with a giraffe, but no, nothing.
Okay, and have you been to Egypt?
I've been to Egypt.
Maybe that contributed.
When we were young, my father was a doctor, plastic surgeon, and my mom was a nurse.
So we had money to go on vacation, and we went up and down the Nile on a boat, and we went to many of the different pyramids and sites.
So I did go on the Great Pyramid.
I don't know the name of it, but that may have contributed.
One of my earlier out-of-body experiences, I was on some land somewhere.
There was a little lake and there were these guys, two Egyptians with a staff and the head thing.
And they were like meeting me when I got there.
So that was the only Egyptian thing I've ever had.
But out-of-body I had that experience.
It's pretty awesome.
Okay.
What about past lives?
Have you become aware of your own past lives?
I've had...
I've had experiences where I've experienced or known or something some of the other lives.
And then I've also had experiences where I've been in other bodies and traveled out of body with other people and returned to their house and interacted in that environment and then returned to my body.
I've been on a battlefield in like a black lady's body and holding a baby and there was like war going on.
The thing about other lives is, if there is only one being in the universe, and you are that one being, and that one being is living in all the bodies simultaneously, then you are, everybody in existence is your other life.
You've been everybody, and everybody is you at this moment, because there's only one awareness.
Well, okay, that's an okay intellectualization and I'm sure has merit.
But in terms of individuals, we choose to focus on a particular, from my point of view, a vehicle that is currently in this dimension, 3D going into 4D. And we have many, you know, when we call them past lives, they could also be future lives.
In other words, it has to do with You know, if you don't die, that you are constantly in incarnation.
And it is also said that you are incarnation simultaneously.
You could also be in all of these different timelines, as you say.
But normally, there is a particular soul that experiences things that that soul will recall.
And so within that notion, you know...
Have you read things like the Arantia book?
No, I've read The Law of One.
I've read Jane Roberts, Seth Speaks.
I've read all those.
I've read Castaneda, Gurdjieff.
I've read a lot of different stuff over the years.
All right, very good.
So, in terms of...
What you're doing and why you're doing it.
Do you understand why you have the certain trajectory you have at this time in your life and what your mission is, if you want to call it that?
I could talk about a bunch of things you mentioned.
The soul only exists as long as it's outside of the one.
What that means is Some people talk about like Gabriel Cousins.
He talks about dying into the nothingness.
And what you can do is before you go to sleep is you can kind of let go and just reenter the universe kind of thing.
And if you do certain things, you can do that on a larger scale.
What I did, I did it in the kind of a negative pathway where I destroyed, you could say I destroyed the soul but maintained the awareness.
And I was just after the military that happened.
So what I've come to is that personality is one extreme of the being of the universe.
That being can exist as a personality and it can also exist as the one being.
Two extremes of experience of yourself.
You can live as a personality and A soul.
And you can also die into the nothingness, into what you are, the one, the one being.
So between those two extremes of yourself, you can have many lives, you can have all these different types of experiences.
But one of the goals that I see is to realize that you are the whole spectrum of all beings and every state in between.
The soul, or the most physical, the involution pathway ends And you gain awareness, you get perspective of the whole circle, of all that exists.
And after you get that perspective, you can go back into the oneness, or you can move back into kindness.
So, yes, enlightenment, or joining the oneness, or going back into what you are in the most subtle form, is beyond all Beyond all lifetimes and souls.
It's the source.
So after you've had that source experience, the only thing left is to live.
Because you are the whole thing.
You are the physicality forever.
The physical always exists forever and ever.
It never dies.
The bodies will change and everything.
But you are all the minerals in the universe.
And also, you are the unmanifest.
You are the most subtle.
And you are everything in between.
So the universe can do whatever it wants, because it always exists.
Every aspect of the universe always exists.
And the aspects of awareness can do whatever they want.
I think that's an interesting way of thinking about it.
I would disagree with your concept of what the soul is and how attached it is to the body.
You seem to see it as almost one with the body.
I do not agree on that.
Certainly the body is a manifestation, a temporary manifestation, and only one aspect of the soul.
The soul is the oneness, and the oneness is the soul.
So that is actually indivisible.
So the soul is eternal, actually.
But it may be a question of semantics.
When you're talking on a spiritual level like this, it depends on how you wish to phrase it and perhaps think about it.
But I think it's important to understand that the soul is actually the oneness.
And it's actually indivisible, in essence.
I agree with that, yes.
However, the body is the temporary vehicle.
And the personality, by the way, is also a temporary vehicle.
And the personality is not the soul.
So those are a distinction I would make, just to clarify what you were saying.
Now, in terms of what I was actually asking you was about your mission.
So, what...
At this time, do you feel like your mission is?
Are you, in other words, sort of trying to facilitate discussion on out-of-the-body experiences?
Do you have plans to go along that line, or is there a certain trajectory that you feel that you have for yourself, like what's your next stage of exploration, if you want to call it that?
So, one of my favorite things is talking about the out-of-body stuff, and also...
One of my favorite experiences is Vipassana, like a sitting meditation.
I've had amazing experiences in Vipassana.
It's like an out-of-body experience while you're in your body.
But that's like sitting still for 10 hours a day and not doing anything.
You're not making any money doing it.
I've kind of gone to the extreme of the spiritual stuff.
I'm going back to the physical.
I want to get the physical enlightenment.
It means with the family and interaction with the community and everything like that.
So I want to cushion any potential experience I have with happiness here in the physical world.
I've had a lot of money in the past, but, you know, things change.
All right.
So you have...
You have gone down a certain trajectory.
You try to want to bring it, perhaps, some of the things you've learned out of body and in a spiritual fashion into your everyday life.
So you want to sort of ground it a bit, become a bit more grounded in that.
Yeah, after the oneness, the type of oneness that I had, I had like a year of oneness, but the peak of it was expansion out to everything and death.
So I returned back into a body and there was no thought.
There was no emotion.
There was just awareness.
So I had to recreate associations and reasons for thoughts and feelings.
They weren't naturally there.
So I had to recreate everything.
So what's...
This physical thing is about newness.
It's about outside of the oneness, which is unchanging, which is always existing, is the opportunity for change, for anything new.
Anything new is what's amazing.
After that experience, I use the word I, but I is everything.
I don't have any specific from childhood thing that I'm trying to do.
But what I'm working on is physical enlightenment, which is mainly interaction with everything, and knowing what I know, and just doing stuff here, too.
Okay.
All right.
Fair enough.
Have you ever read...
There's actually...
His name is John 12 Hawks, and he's written several books?
No.
Okay.
Okay.
He was quite an avid, I guess, out-of-body because he actually kind of wrote it into a novel.
And he's a fairly successful novelist.
And I'm not sure whether they would classify his books as sci-fi or not.
There are some aspects of it that might interest you because of what he came across in terms of certain levels of In out-of-body travel, which could also be called dimensions, if you will.
And the types of experiences he had that was kind of locked into those dimensions.
So I'm not sure if you kind of came across that.
No, I'll check it out for sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I think also Robert Monroe, in a sense, there was one thing with Robert Monroe, and I don't know which of his books you might find better than others.
It might be nice for you to relate that.
But in terms of Monroe, some people feel, and he even thought about himself, that in a sense he kind of fell in love with going out of body.
And he also talked a lot about how attached he was to the earth and how, He was having difficulty, in essence, going through any kind of ascension process, is how I think he thought of it, because he was so attached or addicted to coming back and being in a body specifically on Earth.
So, have you had any of those kind of thoughts or experiences?
And also, do you recommend any of his books in particular?
Yeah, all of his books are great.
I think they were separated by about 20 years.
So after every 20, he wrote three books.
So the first one was in the 50s, the next one was in the 70s, and the last one was in the 90s.
So the 90s one, he got into more of the oneness type stuff.
I recommend reading them all.
What was your question?
I forgot.
Okay, sorry, because that was kind of a two-part question.
So what I was asking you is whether or not getting sort of stuck, the idea of a sort of an ascension pathway and the idea that he talked about in his books being kind of stuck and addicted to reincarnating in a body.
I wanted to know the answer.
For me, there was an answer to be found, and When I was, let's see, two years into the out-of-body, I'd had two years of out-of-body experience up to this point, I think in 1999.
I went to, after four and a half years of college, I went to, I was at Purdue University.
I went to Yogaville, Sachinanda Ashram.
So, I don't remember how old I was at that time, but I got into the whole yoga kind of stuff, and they kept saying there was like an answer to be found.
So, Bringing my scientific and analytic kind of thing and also my out-of-body experiences.
I've been off the planet.
I've been out-of-body off the planet and without going anywhere I was above the earth and I sensed that I was kind of letting go of the like the anchor to the earth and I did come back because at that time I didn't want to continue on into space but so I have felt that there is like a connection to the earth but then I've also been to the center of the earth and And I've also gone beyond the Earth.
So I've gotten over the need to be connected to the Earth, but in this body at this time, I'm not trying to go anywhere anymore.
But I did find an answer that I had been searching for.
Okay.
Now, are you familiar with Shambhala?
Yeah, I know the publishing company, but also the concept.
No, well, I'm actually talking about the place in Tibet that is said to be hidden in the mountains that is a real place, and some call it inner earth, actually.
That's pretty interesting.
I've heard about that, and one of the earlier books I'd read in my first year before my out-of-eye experience was like a Taoist book, and there was a guy named Sai Young.
Some got a novice or beginner Tibetan practitioner monk.
And so there was some kind of thing for me there at that time for that.
Okay, but in your out-of-body, have you ever gone to Shambhala?
No, I mean, after my first year of out-of-body experience, I had met a lot of beautiful and radiant beings.
I've seen the beauty and kindness of Swami Sachinanda, I've been out of body and I've seen him and I've seen all the beauty and kindness from an out-of-body perspective.
And then I've also, after my first yab, I've met a lot of beautiful beings, you know, but I never specifically met a Tibetan or someone from Shambhala.
Okay.
So, in terms of what, you know, because you kind of contacted me, right?
And so you kind of wanted to come on my show.
Why did you want to come on the show?
Just to get the word out that there's a third stage to out-of-body experiences.
Going out-of-body can lead somewhere.
There's a destination and you don't have to stop too short because in society there's a lot of competition and there's a lot of scheming and different kind of stuff like that and You don't have to wait until you're 90 or later in life to sense and to know about the connection with all the different beings.
That's the third stage about body experience.
There is a place where you can come and share your experiences.
Maybe we'd like to gather together and create a journal.
There's a journal of science.
There's a journal of nature.
But if we want to get out the awareness that out-of-body experiences are an actual science, then maybe we can create a journal of out-of-body sciences for multidimensional travel or whatever.
I wrote the mission statement and the aim for the out-of-body journal.
I just published a book, out-of-body journal.
It's on Amazon.
If you search for Paul Spiros Mamakos Or Prince Paul Mamacos.
Search for that.
Or out-of-body journal.
And there's a lot of information in there that you can look at.
All right.
So I have, you know, I've done this and I've also, you know, done lots of out-of-body and also...
I don't know if you're familiar with kundalini yoga and whether you feel that you are familiar with raising the kundalini, etc.
And whether or not you feel that, because you said you were aware of the oneness, normally it's associated with what we call samadhi, having to do with raising the snake of the kundalini up the back of the spine and through the crown chakra.
So do you feel that you have done that?
Yeah.
One time, I can sit down and I can raise the kundalini and I can experience different stuff.
I lived at an ashram for four years.
During that time, I was doing karma yoga, selfless service.
One of those days, I returned to my bed and I laid down without any thoughts on my mind or I'd just done a good day of work.
Service and working for nothing, right?
I think maybe $30 a month or something like that.
And I experienced the Kundalini up and down my spine.
Everything was open.
So that was like a full Kundalini kind of thing.
I've also been out of body and looked back at the physical body and I've seen all the nadis.
So I know that stuff exists and I've studied traditional Chinese medicine for about six months.
And they talk about the meridians and the organs, the twelve organ systems.
So even they have that knowledge in their system.
Yes, absolutely.
Well, the Chinese calling it chi, which is really...
And the West calling it orgone.
So it's the same, more or less the same thing.
Okay.
Now, we do have a chat room along with the show.
So what I'll do is open this up to the chat room.
If they want to type in any questions, it's all, you know, a YouTube chat room type thing.
And then we can see if there's any questions that they have for you, if that's okay.
Great.
Okay.
All right.
So stand by.
I'm just going to scan.
And then if anyone does have questions, it can help if you do put them in all caps with a question mark.
So just one second here while I see if I can catch anything that might have come by while we were talking.
Okay, so somebody here is saying that they find sleep paralysis to be awful, and they want to know what triggers it.
I think you talked a little bit about it.
Do you want to talk in any more depth in direct answer to that question?
Well, I'm not a doctor, so I am a surgical technologist, but that doesn't have any bearing on this.
I have a bachelor's in holistic health through the Gabriel Cousins kind of thing in many, many different studies that I've done.
But from my own personal out-of-body kind of stuff, I think your intellect and your discrimination has learned to function without your body functioning.
You've become curious enough to the point where even when you're sleeping, your mind is working or your awareness is working.
Even without using your brain, you're learning to think and function.
When you go out of body or when you're in between out of body and being in your body, You're slightly out of body, and that's when sleep paralysis happens.
Unless it's some other physical disease or something happening for you, for a lot of people, that's what it is.
Every night, everybody goes out of body to some degree, because that happens so that the soul can rejuvenate itself, and that's my opinion on that.
Okay.
Well, there is a sleep paralysis that also has to do with sort of a gray ET abduction aspect, but it is a different kind of thing, but they both do sort of manifest that way.
Hold on one second, because there is a question here.
I'm just going to read it.
Have you ever seen the builder face?
I don't know what that means.
Yeah, it just may be something to do with what they consider to be some kind of beings in charge or something.
What about info on the moon?
Someone wants to know.
I've wanted to go to the moon and when I was going up into the sky I landed on like an asteroid and when I was climbing along the asteroid out of body to find the moon and kind of go to the moon I saw like a window and inside of this asteroid Was two guys sitting at a terminal, like a computer terminal.
So it was like a ship.
I didn't get to the moon.
Oh, alright.
But you never tried again?
No, I didn't try again.
Okay.
Do you know why?
There's so many things you can do out of body.
So just not in particular interest, really?
I'm curious.
I'd like to do it for sure, but...
After you expand out to the oneness, the astral body, you were saying the soul.
Yes, the soul, when you go out of body, that's a soul.
And then people talk about the causal body.
Which is your reason for maybe...
No, when you go out of the body, I mean, the astral body, again, is not the soul.
Okay.
And then there's the mental body.
I don't know.
We have different ways of talking about things.
Right.
Perhaps that's true.
So, as far as...
I'm just looking to see...
Oh, somebody was saying the builder race.
In other words, I'm not sure what they mean.
It wasn't face.
It was race was the word.
I read it wrong, or it was a typo.
But anyway, I'm not sure, but they may be referring to what some people consider the Anunnaki or others.
In other words, the ones who are responsible for building the human being or this humanoid being, which we call human being.
Right.
Mr.
Wilcock and some of the other guys, Emery Smith and the other man, I've watched many of their shows.
It's been a couple years since I've watched some of those, but I know kind of what you're talking about.
I think on Venus there were some of them still there, but me personally, I don't remember having those type of experiences.
Okay.
I guess Corey Goode talks about that.
Yeah, I think that would be a very, what do you say, a subjective reading of, you know, in other words, it is in the sort of whole E.T. world.
There are people that, and also beings, that want to claim that they built the human race, in essence.
And it's an amazing thing, but almost every race wants to claim that, and so on.
So there's kind of a war of words about that, and if you want to believe certain people's interpretation of where they put their vote, So to speak, then you can, but I would be very careful with that.
So I'm just saying that they could be quite wrong about who's really their originators.
And are you familiar with the Wingmakers material?
No, I've heard about it, but no.
You never look to the website.
It's just called wingmakers.com.
Okay.
Someone wants to talk about...
Whether you view reincarnation...
This kind of relates to an earlier question I asked you, though.
But nonetheless, do you want to address this?
They're wondering if you view reincarnation as a trap.
Kind of like the thing I was talking about where Robert Munro felt he got stuck and so on and so forth.
So if the one being always exists and you are that one being...
That being exists forever, and the physicality exists forever, and all the souls and all the opportunities in between for that being to experience will exist forever.
That one being, you, will forever have different lifetimes.
I've experienced death.
I've been killed in different bodies, and I've raised up out of that body.
I've also been out of body and walked around in other people's bodies and looked in the mirror.
There's a lot of different things that can happen.
I'm not afraid of reincarnation because we are it and we will always exist.
Right.
The newness, the excitement of change and a difference, for there to be a difference is one of the amazing things.
If you are the one and you are forever unchanging, without any characteristics, then for you to have any difference in Any difference from any other aspect of yourself.
That's pretty amazing.
Okay.
Someone wants to know if you feel that you have a contact with a guardian angel or archangels.
So I've met a lot of beautiful beings.
So there is a connection.
I've had experiences where I knew there was a plan to everything.
But maybe the plan always changes and then it's always perfect.
But I've also been out of body and one time I was up and I looked down and there was another me down there.
I guess I was maybe in my astral body, what I call my astral body, and there was a more mental body type being below me who was maybe taking care of me and moving me around at that time.
So I believe there are other beings that look after us.
Sure.
All right.
Now, have you gone out of body wide awake?
I've transitioned from being alert without losing consciousness and leaving the body.
Sure.
And coming back.
Have you been able to go other places consciously?
In other words, some people call it bilocation, and it is practiced in, I believe, the Monroe Institute.
Right.
I've never done that.
The only thing close to that that I've done is I was in a Vipassana meditation and around the third or fourth day I was focusing right around here and then suddenly I was in front of my body also.
I was in my body but I was also in this like almost like my meridian of whatever nerve ending that was.
So if you focus on a certain point for many for a long time you can kind of enter that energy pathway and So that's the closest I've been to being in my body and out of my body also.
All right.
Well, I've done a lot of biolocation and find it very easy to do, but I tend to...
I call it time traveling, actually.
And time traveling that we are, I think, humans are time travelers, naturally.
But at any rate, you can be here...
And also somewhere else.
You can suddenly start seeing, in essence, the realities merging and you can actually, it seems to me, be somewhere else.
And I do know that some remote viewers are quite aware of this dynamic.
So, for example, you could be here, I've been here and in Egypt at the same time and seen that.
So there's kind of a bleed through, if you will.
Have you had anything like that?
I don't think so.
I've heard of people like Sai Baba and other people doing that, for sure, and that's cool that you've had that experience.
I have kinesthetic abilities, and I can sense things that way, and I can do somewhat of the remote viewing, but I've never been visual in that way.
When you say kinesthetic, are you talking about moving objects?
I like muscle testing.
The body supposedly is in connection with everything and knows the truth or whatever.
I also feel that you have to balance intuition with intelligence.
You can't just go 100% on your gut.
You have to use your thinking and find a balance between them.
Have you ever seen my interviews with Richard Alan Miller?
I think so.
I think so.
You know, he's the magus.
My first one was called the magus who came in from the past.
He's actually an OTO, in essence, magician, which makes him more or less a black magician, but he's also kind of made the transition onto the white side, and he's also worked in black projects for most of his life, you know, in the secret space program, etc.
And trained soldiers in sci-tech.
That's what he calls it.
And he's also a natural psychic, and so is his mother, from what I understand.
One of the things he talks about is thinking with your gut.
Have you heard of that expression?
No, but I think it makes sense.
Yeah.
So, you know, it's not...
I see that you've already noticed that, you know, that thinking doesn't necessarily take place in the brain.
Right, right.
You know, that's just one form of thinking, I guess you might call it.
Yeah.
Rudolf Steiner, I think, would talk about the different brains.
All right.
Fair enough.
All right.
Now I'm looking...
I'm not going to keep you too much longer because we kind of try to keep these shows around an hour and a half.
Yeah.
Some people want to know about life on Jupiter or Venus or any planets.
In other words, planets that normally our scientists might look at and see there is no life.
For example, all worlds are yours except for Europa.
There is an indication, and I seem to have had a remote viewing experience that shows me there are beings on Europa.
Have you ever experienced any of that?
No, but I also believe that everything, even matter, is alive.
So when you go out of body, you can see that everything has an energetic structure.
So for there to be energy, there has to be awareness.
So everything in the universe, even matter, is alive.
Right.
Absolutely.
Well, they do say planetary bodies are beings, in essence.
Yes.
Have you felt you connected with any kind of planetary consciousness?
Yeah, I mentioned it earlier.
I've interacted with a couple of planetary beings.
No, what I meant...
Well, okay, you know, it kind of has to do with how you phrase the words, but what I mean is some people out there talk about Saturn, for example...
As being a specific being that they invite to meetings, meaning the being of the planet, not a being of Saturn, but the planetary being Saturn.
So are you saying that you think you've interacted with a planetary being or a being from a planet?
No, I think the planetary being.
All right, and of which ones did you think?
I don't know, but there were two or three of them, and we kind of moved around.
We moved around.
The awareness, one time when I was, I expanded out to the universe, right?
And on that, I've also had other experiences like this too, but I felt the, I was aware of other awarenesses within all, within the universe.
So when you rate, I've also been into many, many octaves.
I've been out of body and experience, gone up and up and up and up to the next octave.
So you can go up and up and up to the next energy dimension or layer.
But as you go up into the more higher subtle areas, you can become aware of the other energies that are also aware of those areas.
And that could be planetary, it could be solar system awareness and life form.
So you can interact and you can sense all those other things and they're aware that you're there too.
Right.
Okay.
So I don't see any other questions cropping up here that I can see that is anything very clear.
I don't see any clear-cut questions coming up.
I think he's already addressed Mars.
I guess the person is saying life on Mars.
So maybe they mean, do you think there's life on Mars?
Whatever.
I don't know, you know, but from the human perspective of what life is, I don't know about that, but I went there once and I haven't had the discipline to go there again.
Okay.
Well, I can say there's life on Mars from my perspective.
And I have remote viewed it and also been there more or less out of body.
One thing that I found on Mars was there's these little mechanical looking like creatures.
That actually have sort of consciousness, for lack of a better way of talking about it.
And I saw those on Mars, and that was quite interesting.
So...
All right.
Well, thank you very much.
You know, it's been fun talking to you.
I appreciate you coming on the show.
Obviously, let's talk about, you know, tell people where they can find your book, the name of the book, and the name of the website again, please.
Okay.
The website where there's links to all the other things is theoutofbodyjournal.com.
And that'll take you to the Discord channel where you can accept the invitation.
And there's different areas where you can talk with other out-of-body people.
And you can check out the video section as you can see videos.
But there's also on Amazon, I have two books.
And if you are an out-of-body experiencer and you'd like to contribute and create a book with me or whatever with the community, we can do that too.
But the two books I've created are the Out-of-Body Journal and the other one is called The Golden One, an Out-of-Body Book.
Okay.
My name is Prince Paul Mamakos.
If you were to search on Amazon, that's where it is.
I want to mention, when you have the third stage of out-of-body experiences, that leads you into caring about other people.
What I'm doing is to help other people because you are all me.
We're all So I want to help other people because it's a good thing.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Well, thank you very much, Paul.
And I do appreciate your efforts and your journeys and what you've done.
And it's great to talk to you.
Take care and perhaps we can have you back in the future and stay in touch and thanks everyone for watching and listening and have a great weekend.
Good night, everybody.
Good weekend.
Thank you.
Okay.
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