Representative Thomas Massey and host Owen Shroyer confront allegations against the Kentucky congressman, arguing that AIPAC-funded attacks aim to eliminate him as a barrier to foreign aid. They contend losing Massey signifies the "Uniparty's" victory, erasing the conservative movement and leaving America under foreign donor control. The discussion highlights Massey's obstruction of Epstein cover-ups and his stance against central bank digital currency, while Natalie Morris critiques the moral inconsistency of supporting Middle East wars while ignoring global atrocities. Ultimately, the episode frames this primary as an existential battle for American sovereignty against a brainwashed right wing prioritizing Israel over national interests. [Automatically generated summary]
We got a bit of a light news desk, extremely light, actually.
I got a couple of video clips that I want to get to.
We got a couple of news stories.
It's very open format today.
I'm probably going to be opening the phone line since I didn't yesterday, but we are going to be joined by Thomas Massey in the third hour.
And then, once Thomas Massey, Representative Massey departs, we're going to be joined by Natalie Morris from Redacted, who actually broke some news on her show earlier today.
And this all ties into the theme of the show.
It's amazing that we are watching this hit piece against Thomas Massey, the exact same formula that they tried to use against Trump.
And MAGA didn't buy it, didn't fall for it, if you will.
They rejected it and they called it out for what it is a political hit piece.
But now you see the exact same thing happening to Thomas Massey right before an election, and all of MAGA falls for it and promotes it and joins in on the political hit piece and the propaganda.
And I feel like that is truly the state of MAGA today, or whatever is left of it, which is dwindling.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's dwindling.
And I can talk more about that today, and perhaps I will.
So, oh, Thomas Massey releases the Epstein list.
Thomas Massey wants AIPAC to register as a foreign agent right before the election.
And then, bing, oh, look, the allegations.
Oh, yes, it's all organic, it's all natural, totally, totally normal, guys.
And then the entire political commentary world is just completely insane these days.
So, I'll get into some of that.
But Thomas Massey coming up, Natalie Morris coming up.
I do want to talk about the AI issue, the data center issue, because what you have, and I think I'll get into this right at the start of the show and maybe just open up phone lines on this issue.
What you have right now is more disenfranchised Americans politically, probably than ever.
Nobody really identifies with the Democrats, nobody really identifies with the Republicans.
You know, the liberals, the Democrats, they're kind of just figuring out what they want to do heading into the midterms.
So they're kind of testing okay, what are the pressure points that we can run on and win?
And they're seeing it.
They're seeing, okay, it's against the war, it's against Israel, it's against AIPAC.
And they had the stress test with AOC and Bernie Sanders on the AI data centers.
Well, now they're taking that to the next level.
And then, of course, you have the economy, which you know, the Democrats are going to run on that.
While the Republicans are saying how great the economy is, which most Americans are going to say, why are you lying to me?
Why are you gaslighting me?
The Democrats will fill that void too.
So it's not good.
But this isn't even about the Democrats.
This is about the fact that the vast majority of Americans right now feel there is no representation.
They don't feel represented by anybody politically, they don't feel represented by anybody in the government.
And the one guy that maybe people still feel like represents them, Thomas Massey, they're all coming after him.
The swamp.
It's what we call that.
Corrupt politics is what we call that.
So we'll be addressing that.
We'll be joined by Thomas Massey.
We'll be joined by Natalie Morris.
I do have some videos on these subjects that we're going to play today.
But we're really, we got an open format.
We're going to open up the phone lines pretty early today.
I haven't talked to the audience on the phone lines in quite some time.
So we will be doing that today.
So we're going to be really addressing this issue, though, of.
Nobody feeling represented by the current political situation.
And I'll weigh into that a little bit more coming up here shortly.
All right, guys, let's address something that a lot of people are kind of feeling.
They're seeing it.
Maybe they're experiencing it.
But I don't really hear too many people really vocalizing it, bringing it to their political transmissions, to the political discourse.
You hear, you know, you kind of hear them talk about it, though.
People are sick of politics, they're disenfranchised, they don't feel represented by anybody.
I think the biggest blow has to be the fact that Trump was supposed to be different.
Things were supposed to be different with Trump, and they're just simply not.
A lot of people think it's worse than ever.
And, you know, I know I've talked about this before, but it just continues to re emphasize itself whenever I'm out in public or talking to friends and family.
You know, I'm out socializing today.
I'm telling you guys.
The average American is so politically disenfranchised.
They're so politically burnt out.
They don't trust anybody.
They don't trust anybody in politics.
They don't trust anybody in the media.
They feel sold out no matter who gets elected.
They look at the whole system as totally corrupt.
And funny enough, you know, Massey is one of the few in Congress that they don't look at.
Everybody looks at American politics and just says it is totally corrupt.
It is corrupt to its core.
There is nobody that represents us.
There's no hope in any of these politicians.
That's how the average American feels.
And then they don't really have the capacity to get involved in such a way because everybody's just trying to pay their bills.
Everybody is just trying to find a way to get by, pay their bills, keep their head above water.
And that becomes a difficult thing in and of itself to do that you really don't have time to keep up with the politics.
And that's why I do this show.
That's why I do this show so that I can do all of that work and then do a three hour presentation.
And hopefully, you leave every day feeling a little bit more informed than you came in.
But that's the sentiment.
And I think it's weird.
It's very weird what MAGA has become.
It's nothing more than just a cheerleading cult at this point, there's no anti establishment left in MAGA.
There's no energy to drain the swamp.
There's no energy for political arrests, going after the people that committed treason.
There's no energy for that.
All of the MAGA energy is now directed at the actual anti establishment right.
All of the MAGA attention, notice they don't attack the deep state anymore.
MAGA's not going after the swamp creatures.
MAGA's not talking about political reform.
MAGA's not talking about justice for January 6ers, justice for the stolen election.
They're not even talking about justice for the crimes that were committed against Trump when he first ran for president.
No, MAGA has now been co opted and redirected and aimed at the anti establishment right.
MAGA has now been co opted and is now a swamp operation going after actual conservatives in the right wing.
And it's never been more obvious.
The mass erase, this is the Rosetta Stone that explains it all.
And they can't even be honest.
You know, that's the other thing about MAGA now, too.
They're not even honest people.
And they do this attack on Massey and they say, oh, look.
And this is what, see, and that's what's amazing.
MAGA understands when the left does this and they call the left out for it.
They say, Massey didn't vote for this bill that would have built the wall.
No, Massey, as a principled conservative, Does not vote for bills that have pork in them.
That's what it is.
And it's like MAGA used to understand this.
MAGA used to understand that they would write a bill in Congress and they'd say, This is a bill to fund veterans.
This is a bill to fund the military.
And then they put all this other pork in there, all this other foreign aid, all this other leftist garbage, all this garbage research studies, and all the other crap that they do.
And they shove that into these bills.
And then you're a principled conservative or principled small government with your vote, and you say, Well, I support funding for a wall, or I support funding the veterans, I support funding the military, but I'm not going to vote for this.
Look at all the pork that's in this bill.
MAGA used to understand that.
MAGA used to understand that's how they lie.
Now, this is what MAGA does, and this is what they're doing to Thomas Massey.
So we're all kind of sitting here watching this happen in real time.
And I'm just sitting here asking, you know, where does MAGA think that this is all going?
And they don't have an answer.
All they say is, you need to trust Trump.
So that's where you're at now.
All you do is trust a politician.
So that's where you're at.
I can't relate to that.
I'm stunned that anybody can relate to that.
And that's why this Massey race is so important.
And I reiterate this today.
If Thomas Massey loses this race, there is no Republican Party.
If Thomas Massey gets ousted by the donor class, if Thomas Massey gets ousted by the foreign lobbyists, there is no Republican Party.
There is no right wing movement.
And there is no conservative movement in American politics.
And that is just a fact.
All you have is the donor class that runs the Republican Party, and they gatekeep anybody out of Republican Party politics if they will not play ball with the foreign lobby.
Everybody's watching it, everybody's witnessing it.
There's no denying it.
And so they come out here and they play this game with you.
And they say, Oh, would you rather have Democrats win?
You don't want Democrats to win.
Look at how bad they are.
Oh, you're a liberal now.
All of this garbage.
We've all seen all these ridiculous attacks.
And then the thinking person, the person that can think independently, the person that can think logically, the person that can reach their own conclusions that's not brainwashed says, Well, I don't want to vote for Democrats.
I certainly don't support Democrat policies.
I certainly understand how bad and corrupt Democrats are.
Not giving an inch on that.
But what am I doing if the Republican Party is just co opted by the donor class?
What am I doing if the Republican Party is just co opted by the foreign lobbyists?
Well, then where are my options?
Well, at least they're not Democrats.
Well, they're not Americans.
They're literally not even Americans.
The Republican Party is run by foreign and special interests.
And so you sit here.
This is the real conundrum.
This is the honest conundrum that we're dealing with.
I can sit here and ask, what do I do?
I'm an anti establishment person.
Policy wise, I'm probably on the right.
Conservative, small government.
These are the principles I like.
More than anything, I just want to get rid of the corruption in government.
It comes from both sides.
There's very few people that represent somebody like me in Washington, D.C.
And Thomas Massey is one of them, and we see what they're trying to do.
And so we have to reach a logical conclusion.
I can either support the Republican establishment that's going to stab me in the back and steal my money and give it to foreign issues and foreign causes and foreign interests and special interests and work for the donor class.
Or I can look at the Democrats and I can say, okay, well, the Democrats are going to steal my money too.
But at least maybe, at least maybe with the Democrats, it's like they're going to steal my money, but maybe I can at least have some influence over where they're going to spend it.
It's like I'm no socialist.
I'm no communist.
I'm no Democrat.
But let's just be honest about the options on the table here.
Let's just be honest with ourselves about what's happening in American politics.
I know what the Republicans are going to do, they're going to steal my money.
And they're going to give it to foreign and special interests.
That's what the Republicans are going to do.
I know what the Democrats are going to do.
They're going to steal my money and give it to a bunch of socialist, liberal, communist causes.
So I'm just sitting here weighing the options.
We don't have any influence on the right.
You're just a slave.
You're more of a slave if you vote Republican now than if you vote Democrat.
Now, you might be a bigger idiot if you vote Democrat, but I don't know.
Take your pick.
Do you want to be an idiot or do you want to be a slave?
So we know what we're getting from the Republicans.
They're going to steal our money and they're going to give it to the donor class.
The Democrats are going to steal our money and they're going to steal a little bit and put it in their pockets, but they might actually invest in America.
So I can be a slave and vote for the Republicans that work for the donor class and the foreign interests, or I can be an idiot that votes for the Democrats that are going to steal my money, pocket some of it, and throw it at all these different stupid issues, and nothing is going to change.
It's not really helping your cause, the whole they're not Democrats thing, because we just went through that and we just gave the Republicans all the power.
And almost none of the mandates that we put on their table are happening.
There is no drain the swamp.
There's no Doge.
There's no Epstein file clients' arrests.
It's just simply not happening.
There's new wars.
There's more wars.
There's more war than ever.
They're not ending wars.
They're starting wars.
It's all a big gaslighting campaign.
And these brainwashed MAGA people are just looking at you and they're saying, well, why won't you be a part of the team?
And we're saying, because it's not our team.
You just haven't figured it out yet.
You think it's your team, it's not your team.
You're the useful idiot of the right wing now.
So, why do I talk about this?
Well, clearly, clearly there's a bubble.
Clearly, there is a political bubble.
And I don't know.
You can't, you know, however many people are, you know, left in the vocal MAGA community here.
But I still struggle to believe that they have any semblance of a social life.
Because everywhere I go socially, This is how people feel.
Everywhere I go socially, this is how people feel.
And they have just lost faith, lost hope, totally disenfranchised with the entire political system.
And that's why I'm sitting here saying it's like, I don't care anymore.
Oh, look, this artist did a concert and said F Trump.
I don't care.
Like, it means nothing to me.
We just bombed a school and killed 200 kids.
You think I give an F?
You think I give a rat's ass about some stupid celebrity saying F Trump?
We just bombed a school.
We're spending $60 billion on another war for the foreign donors.
You think I'm going to sit here and be guilt tripped?
Like, oh, but look at the liberals, look at the Democrats.
The Republicans are just as bad.
You just haven't figured it out yet.
There is no winning.
And they're sitting here lying to your face, and you're nodding your head, and they're laughing at you.
You're a stooge to them.
And this is why it's like, how do I get this message across?
Because at the end of the day, you need to know that you're not alone.
At the end of the day, they are trying to emotionally defeat you, spiritually defeat you.
They want you to feel like you're on an island, they want you to feel like you're alone in this stuff, and you're not.
No, this is how the vast majority of America feels.
The Democrats suck.
The Republicans suck.
The entire mandate that was supposed to be with MAGA has been thrown out the window.
And hey, we're all sick of it, but let's say it for what it is.
Everybody's sick and damn tired of Israel.
Good luck.
Go anywhere.
Go anywhere with just average Americans, bring up foreign policy, and every single person will talk about how sick and damn tired they are of Israel.
And I'm being polite.
Most people look at Israel as just a demon state.
Most people look at the government of Israel as just bloodthirsty, warmongering murderers.
If you want me to be more direct about how people feel about Israel, that's how people actually feel about Israel.
But if you want to kind of calm it down a little bit, people are just sick of it.
They're just sick of it.
You are not alone.
This is how the vast majority of Americans feel.
So we're kind of sputtering.
There's no representation on the right.
There's no representation on the left.
And now the actual issues that are popular, the Republicans are just giving them to the Democrats.
The Republicans, you watch.
What's going to happen in the coming months when we get through the primary season?
What's going to happen is that the Republicans are going to double down on the foreign policy.
And they're going to bully you and they're going to browbeat you and tell you you have to support Israel or you don't support America.
We're already seeing this.
But they're going to double down ahead of the midterms.
This is not going to be popular.
And this is going to turn off most Americans.
They're not going to want to support Republicans.
The Republicans are going to double down and they're going to tell you the economy is great.
They're going to tell you you have to vote for Republicans because the economy is doing so good.
Well, it's not.
That's just a lie.
So now you're lying to people.
So now you're supporting a state, you're supporting Israel that the average American looks at as a genocidal state.
Now the Republican Party is telling you the economy is good.
So now you're just lying to people because it's not true.
So neither of these things are popular.
And then, and this is where the Democrats are going to really start to lay down some tracks soon.
And I've got a clip from a debate with Kevin O'Leary and Tucker Carlson coming up.
And then the Republicans are going to tell you we got to have these data centers.
We got to have the AI.
We have to turn America into the AI data center hub.
Also, not popular.
And this is an issue that there is some awareness that, hey, we don't want to live in a surveillance state and we don't want to have all these AI data centers because it's going to hurt our energy grid and it's going to consume all of this energy and it's going to cause our costs to go up, which are already too high.
Most people can't afford gas prices going up, still, people can't afford them.
And they're just going to say, hey, well, maybe you're right about all of that, but you need to vote because at least we're not Democrats.
And then what are the Democrats going to do?
The Democrats are going to run against Israel.
They're going to run against this war.
They're going to run against the foreign policy.
The Democrats are going to be honest about the state of the economy, that it's not good.
And the Democrats are now making moves.
To posture themselves politically against the AI data centers.
And these are the issues that are going to win or lose the midterms.
And the truth is that the lobbyists, the donor class, the foreign and special interest, at the end of the day, they don't really care who wins.
They don't really care if it's a Democrat.
They don't really care if it's a Republican because no matter who it is, they still buy them, they still own them, they still get what they want.
And everybody is starting to figure this out.
Everybody is starting to realize that this is the case.
And if you think just running in the midterms and saying, hey, you know, we got to keep Republicans in office, or hey, well, at least they're not Democrats, that's not going to work.
That's not going to draw people to the voting booth to vote Republican.
It's not going to happen.
And so.
Most people listening to this, most people in my audience, myself included, I don't know if I could ever vote Democrat.
I've never voted Democrat.
I don't think I ever could vote Democrat.
I don't want to vote Democrat.
I'm not going to tell anybody to vote Democrat.
But I have a hard time finding any reason to go vote Republican either.
And just because they're not Democrats, that ain't enough for me.
And I would even argue at this point, Somebody like me could have more influence on Democrat Party politics than on Republican Party politics.
I could probably enter into the conversation of left wing liberal progressive politics, and we can talk about how they want to spend all the money that they want to steal.
And I could probably have more influence on the left side of the aisle than I can on the right now.
Because politically speaking, if you won't support Israel, if you won't support AIPAC, if you won't support these wars in the Middle East, If you won't tell everybody it's the golden age, if you won't tell everybody that Trump's the greatest thing since sliced bread, you won't tell everybody the economy's great and all this other garbage, they don't want you.
You're not allowed at the table.
You're not allowed to speak.
You're not allowed access.
And just look at how they're attacking O'Keeffe Media Group just for having me host a show, just for having me do a stand up report.
And you know what's funny, too?
It shows how dumb these people are, honestly.
They see that O'Keeffe Media Group report and they say, Why?
Why would you send Owen to do this?
Hey, morons, go listen to the tape.
That was a woman.
Okay.
They sent women in there.
They had two different women that these guys were trying to date on a dating app, and they got the footage, not me.
Okay.
I did a stand up report for them.
That's what I did.
I didn't do the sting, I didn't go on the date.
And these MAGA people are so dumb now, they really think that it's me.
They really think I'm the one with the hidden camera, I guess, pretending to be a woman now.
I don't know.
Maybe that's believable.
No, I just did a stand up video report and then hosted the show when they debuted it.
I wasn't on the dates.
I didn't get the undercover footage.
And they're all claiming that it was me and they're all attacking James O'Keefe like he sent me in there to do it.
I mean, I guess I'm honored that you think that I could pull that off.
But no, it wasn't me.
It wasn't me.
But they can't even do that basic research, they can't even reach these general understandings of how the world works.
So they're hopeless.
And all they can do at this point is cheerlead.
All they can do at this point is run defense for a corrupt political system.
And people see it now.
People see it now.
They want nothing to do with it.
So this is the conundrum.
This is the conundrum the average American is facing.
You vote for Republicans, you vote for the foreign interests, you vote for the donor class.
You vote for Democrats, you vote to destroy your country, run your country into the ground with all of their policies.
So, where do you go?
Do you vote for the foreign interest and become a traitor to your country as a Republican?
Or do you vote for the Democrats that are just going to steal your money and collapse the country?
But maybe you can have a seat at the table to decide where they spend your money or how they spend your money, or maybe you can even influence some things over there.
But most people.
Are just going to reach the conclusion that they don't want to vote.
Most people are going to reach the conclusion that they have no interest in voting.
It doesn't do anything for them.
No matter who they vote for, it's all corrupt.
And so I don't know.
I think that that favors the Democrats.
I think that the issues all favor the Democrats right now.
And because of what a despicable, hate filled cult that MAGA has become, that Just makes it worse because now you're turning off people on the right that would normally vote Republican no matter what, but they can't vote for Republicans now because you're such a disgusting creep.
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And you go read the comments, and it's like three of every four is, you know, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel.
And so there's this weird thing where the Republicans are just in denial that this supporting of Israel is a losing issue.
And so then the message becomes it's like, okay, supporting Israel is not popular.
Israel is the least popular it's been in American politics in modern American history.
I would say it's beyond just unpopular.
People think it's outright evil.
And anybody that supports it, they lump into that evil.
And this is just where most Americans stand.
And every poll agrees with this.
And then here comes the Republicans.
Here comes MAGA.
Here comes the Zionists.
And they say, oh, you can't be American if you don't support Israel.
You can't be conservative if you don't support Israel.
And then that just makes you feel worse.
And now the message there is no, Israel's your boss.
And then they take it a step further.
And they say the only reason America exists is because of Israel.
The only reason America's great is because of Israel, which is really where they reach their logical fallacy.
Because you'll sit here and you'll engage in these conversations, and the agreement, the basic understanding, is that American politics are corrupt.
We all agree the country is declining.
We all agree things are going the wrong direction.
It's like we all agree on this stuff.
It's like, yep, DC is corrupt.
Country's going the wrong direction.
We need major reformation.
We need to turn this thing around and we need to do that.
And then it's like, okay, here's how we're going to do it.
And then it's wait, not so fast.
Not that.
Not that.
So if we have to keep everything going the same direction it's in in order to support Israel, a foreign country, then that's just how it is and so be it.
And well, not only is that not conservatism, not only is that a losing political strategy in 2026, it's also inherently traitorous.
And anti American.
And it's odd to me that they can't see it.
They can't get it.
And you've entered a realm now.
This is the brainwashed right.
It's kind of like with the trans issue on the left.
It's like we all sat here, even people on the left, we all sat here and said, Why are you so obsessed with trans kids?
Why are you so obsessed with trans kids?
Why are you so obsessed with putting boys and girls' sports?
Why are you so obsessed with genital mutilation as a political issue?
Why is this something that you want to try to hang your hat on?
And the left did it, and then they lost everything.
Well, now Israel is that issue for America.
Israel bombing seven countries in the last year, Israel killing hundreds of thousands of people, expanding its borders, the mass killing, the false flags, the stand downs, the controlling of our government.
Israel is the right wing trans kids issue.
Not popular, losing issue, will cost them everything.
And we're just sitting here watching them sell out this entire movement.
They've sold out the America First movement, they've sold out the MAGA movement, they've sold out the conservative movement, they've sold out every The anti establishment, every movement that was moving towards government reformation, saving our country, every movement on the right has now been totally sold out and co opted by a foreign interest.
And anybody that denies this is just not living in reality.
Now, you could argue in support.
You can say, no, I think it's a good thing.
Well, that's fine.
You're on the minority as far as that belief is concerned, but that's okay.
You can still believe that.
But everybody now sees that this is the losing issue and it's going to tank the Republican Party.
It already has, quite frankly.
It already has.
So, with that, let's get into some of these stories.
I'm going a little long here.
We'll bring this up later when Thomas Massey joins us in about 30 minutes.
This was from earlier today with Natalie Morris, who will be joining us after Thomas Massey.
Thomas Massey has introduced the AIPAC Act in Congress, legislation that would require AIPAC to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
I think the last politician that tried to do that had his head blown off.
His name was John F. Kennedy Jr.
The Israeli lobby has long operated outside the scrutiny applied to other foreign influence organizations.
Under this legislation, foreign backed lobbying and online advertising campaigns promoting paid foreign messaging would be required to clearly disclose the sponsored amount.
And really, Israel is the woke right issue.
It's Black Lives Matter for conservatives, supporting Israel, fighting anti Semitism.
This is all Black Lives Matter propaganda for conservatives.
And it's amazing how right wingers will be able to identify it when it comes from the left and they'll say, oh, Black Lives Matter is just a front.
We all know it's a communist anti American movement, but they use that name because it's a front, but they hide their true intentions.
It's like they understand that, but they can't comprehend it when it comes to AIPAC.
And everybody can see this now, but there's this weird disconnect.
That they just can't quite put it together.
They just can't quite comprehend how that works.
Like, there's no political propaganda on the right.
There's no political propaganda.
There's no foreign influence.
There's no corruption in right wing politics.
It just doesn't exist.
Yikes.
Yikes, if you still believe that.
I'm going to say something controversial here.
And I didn't say this yesterday.
I'm hesitant to even say it today, but I'm going to say it.
I got a video here of Ed Galarian at a recent campaign event.
By the way, Ed Galarian has been dodging Thomas Massey.
Galarian will not debate.
So, right then and there, that should be disqualifying.
Right then and there, that should show you this guy's a coward and a fraud, and nobody should vote for him.
Galarian runs from Thomas Massey.
He's scared to debate.
And we all know why.
Now, I got a clip of Galarian having a hard time at a political event.
I'm sure many of you saw there was the polymarket prediction markets changing in the last 48 hours, and Massey took a massive dive as far as the prediction market odds are concerned.
And it makes no sense to me.
It makes no sense to me that Thomas Massey, the incumbent, Thomas Massey, the true conservative, Thomas Massey, very popular.
In his state, in his district.
It makes no sense to me that this race would be close, but it makes even less sense that Massey would somehow flip to be a massive underdog.
Well, I have a theory here.
I have a theory.
I think somebody manipulated that market.
I think for one or two reasons, I think somebody made a massive play into that market to manipulate that market against Thomas Massey, or I think somebody made a massive play in that market.
To tank Massey's odds so that they can buy those odds now for pennies on the dollar.
And then when Massey wins, they get a massive payout.
This is my conspiracy theory on that poll because it makes no sense.
Why would Massey all of a sudden become the underdog?
I guess they're trying to use this allegation as the cover to say, oh, this is really hurting Massey.
I don't buy it, I'm not buying it.
To me, this is all a rig job.
This is somebody, because you have to understand the way these markets work, it's all just, it's all determinative on dollars.
So if two things are even odds, and then somebody bets or puts an amount of money into this prediction market that's double what's already in that market, then they can basically manipulate the entire market just by one play, by one bet, if you will.
So, I think somebody is manipulating the poly market on the Thomas Massey race.
And I think it's either to hurt Massey or I think they wanted to, I think they know Massey is going to win.
So, they did this bet to drive down the price of Massey to then go out and make a huge Massey buy at 17 cents or whatever it is now.
And so that way they're getting a huge return when Massey wins.
Now, the reason I say that.
I just don't see the support for Ed Glaren.
I just do not see it.
I don't see it.
And even his own rallies, he's getting heckled.
He doesn't show up to debate.
Let's go to this from a local reporter in Kentucky.
And this is the video Crowd turns on Ed Glaren, Thomas Massey's opponent, at campaign event.
Ed Glaren has been sending out text messages, inviting the public to events in a desperate bid to rehab his image.
As a candidate willing to engage with voters, it's not working.
We now have a second video from one of these events, and several members of the crowd turn on him.
No wonder he no showed so many early events and refuses to share a stage with Thomas Massey.
The more people actually see him, the more they wonder if he was ever meant to win this race.
In the video, a voter directly asks why he won't debate Massey.
Ed's response he holds up a Norman Rockwell painting and insists he's debating Thomas Massey right now, even though Massey isn't in the room.
More audience members pile on with remarks like, I didn't come here to see your Letterman jacket.
When a campaign staffer tries to defuse the situation by claiming Ed had answered the question, several people fire back.
That he hasn't said anything substantive.
Just wave around props while dodging policy questions.
Normally, at campaign events, if someone challenges a candidate, parts of the crowd rush to defend them.
Here, multiple people joined in the pushback.
That's a massive red flag.
I've been told by multiple sources that the campaign is now turning away anyone who looks under 60 at the door, terrified they might actually ask Ed a tough question.
Now, I want to point one other thing out before we go to this video.
This is from Andrew Cooper, writer.
He is a local radio host in Massey's district.
Now, why do I say this?
If you go and you look at the local media, the conservative media, talk show hosts, they're all supporting Massey.
So the infrastructure of conservative media at the local level all supports Massey.
And usually that's a pretty good indicator of where right wingers and voters are going in the election.
So again, I just do not see where the support for Gallarin comes from.
I mean, obviously, the Trump cult is putting as much weight as they can, but they don't vote.
They don't live in the district.
These are all social media sellouts that are just working for the Trump campaign, either directly or indirectly, and are just in the Trump cult.
They're not actually influencing local elections.
They're not actually in Kentucky seeing and hearing what's going on.
So here's the actual video of Ed's most recent event.
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He took the press out the middle and talked right to the people.
What did President Trump do?
What did Gal Ryan do?
I'm going to talk right to you.
I ain't scared enough.
You think I like the courage?
In fact, they got big, but I had to hog time me from taking that bull on.
So there ain't no money in it.
The New York Times now show up, and all they're going to print is, you know, if you like your doctor, you can keep whatever they say, they're going to call it the gospel.
You know, you ain't going to hear another word about it.
So as you might guess, I'm not shy enough about courage about nothing, you know, in terms of that.
I mean, folks, this is, this is, I just can't, you know.
Should I be nicey?
Am I feeling nicey today, guys?
I don't think so.
I don't think I'm feeling so nicey today.
I don't really care what you think about Massey.
You know, we can talk about how he helped get Epstein files.
We can talk about his voting record.
We can talk about all of this stuff.
You can take the Trump angle.
You can take whatever you want.
I say, just remove all of that.
Just remove all of that.
This clip right here should be it.
Anybody that supports this clown, to me, you're such a sellout.
You're such a phony.
And I'm being very nice, actually.
I'm being nice by using these words to describe you because believe me, you're much worse.
You're much worse.
But I'll be nice.
He says, I'm debating Massey right now.
He's literally running from debates.
He's dodging debates, and Massey is not in the room.
I mean, if that isn't as phony, if that isn't as fraudulent, if that isn't as fake, if this guy isn't a purebred liar, political scumbag, just that clip alone, it should be over.
How can you defend that?
I'm debating Massey right now.
What a clown.
What a joke.
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But you haven't debated him.
I'm debating him right now.
No, you're not.
I'm glad you're not debating him.
You're giving a bunch of platitudes.
You're not explaining anything.
You've not gone toe to toe with the congressman.
You're not explaining your differences.
You're not doing anything.
You're just like, you're not explaining any differences.
I just laid it all out.
It made no sense.
It made no sense.
Yeah.
A civil conversation is the congressman and him debating, not him pulling up signs and a letterman's jacket walking away.
If Massey loses this race, there is no Republican Party, folks.
There isn't.
There's no conservative movement.
There's no right wing of America.
There's no Republican Party.
There's just the foreign donor class.
That's it.
And they can buy any seat they want.
They can buy it on the Republican side.
They can buy it on the Democrat side.
And quite frankly, these foreign loyalists, they don't give a damn what happens to America.
They don't give a damn if America collapses.
All they care about is Israel.
That's all they care about.
And now you are part of that.
Now you are a sellout.
Now you are a trader.
And that's how you will go down in history.
And I don't want to see this happen.
I don't want to see the nastiness of what's going to happen if Massey loses.
Because let me tell you if Massey loses this race, if you think MAGA is cringe now, if you think MAGA is pure political filth.
Brainwashed coward cultists, now you are going to see the most despicable behavior in politics since left wingers were celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
That's how disgusting MAGA will be.
And so it's like, if you really wanted to see MAGA fall and take that tumble into the political abyss of corruption and filth, then that's what's going to happen.
I don't want to see that.
I'd like to think that there is still an America.
That rejects foreign influence.
I'd like to think that there is still a political movement out there that cannot be bought off and co opted by traitors.
I'd like to think that there's American people that still can think independently that don't exist in political cults that can stop this from happening, at least in one race, at least one time.
But I'm telling you right now if Massey loses this, if you think MAGA is nasty now, if you think MAGA is nasty, Is a corrupt, filthy cult now.
Just wait to watch these people gloat that foreign interests own our government.
Just wait.
And they're going to sit there and pretend that they're American patriots.
And they're going to sit there and pretend like they're America first.
And all of us will be sitting here looking at them like, wow, you are total brainwashed sellouts and maybe even worse than the left because you're actual foreign loyalists.
And we're just sitting here watching all these brainwashed Americans go along for the ride.
And the reason they enjoy it is because they get to rub it in your face.
It's not even about political results anymore.
It's not even about saving the country anymore.
It's not even about America anymore.
It's not even about policy anymore.
It's literally just they just want to rub it in your face.
That's all it is.
Their entire motive now is they just want to get up and rub it in your face.
They don't care if America collapses.
They don't care about the midterms.
They don't care about the economy.
They don't care if people are dying overseas.
None of this stuff matters to them.
All they care about now is they just want to rub it in your face.
They just want to feel powerful.
They just want to feel like they're part of the political system.
They're part of the political power establishment, and they get to rub it in your face now because they're part of the corrupt establishment and you're not.
And so, hey, if that's who you want to be, then that's who you are.
But that's not what America likes.
That's not who we are.
And you might think that you're winning and you might think that you're having your moment.
But you're really just embarrassing yourself.
And to most people, you're just traitors.
You're just traitors to the country.
And there'll be nothing, nothing that you can really do to save your image, by the way.
Because you guys apparently don't understand that Trump is not going to be president forever.
There is going to be a post Trump America, there is going to be a post MAGA America.
Becomes the reality, everybody will remember all of you sellouts on the right.
Everybody will remember all of you MAGA phonies, MAGA frauds, political establishment hacks, brainwashed cultists, nasty, disgusting people.
We will all remember you.
We will all remember you in the post Trump world.
And you won't have Daddy Trump to make you feel good anymore.
You won't have your MAGA hat cult to make you feel like you're powerful anymore.
You will go down into the dirt with the rest of the traitors and filth.
That our political system has exposed.
Not me.
Not me.
Not Thomas Massey.
Not Thomas Massey either, by the way.
All right, a couple things here before we bring Thomas Massey on.
Did you guys hear about this?
You know, I've been hearing about this Cars for Kids scam for a long time.
It's actually getting into the courts now.
Cars for Kids investigations and lawsuits, dog billion dollar nonprofit.
Lakewood based Cars for Kids, cemented in the brains of millions by that ubiquitous radio jingle, has built a multi million dollar fundraising empire based on the single premise of car donations to benefit children.
Now they got this thing behind a paywall.
Maybe we can get another one here.
Court bans Cars for Kids ads in California for violating false advertising law.
Car donation charity fined millions, accepts fundraising restrictions in Colorado and 18 other states.
Cars for Kids, another political boondoggle.
Now, here's some from the actual lawsuit.
Cars for Kids has been banned from advertising in California as it has been deemed deceptive by a judge for helping exclusively Orthodox Jewish children in the New York and New Jersey areas, despite having eight year old actors of all races singing their jingle.
So it's a scam to take money from Americans and give it to Jewish children.
If you want to put it into simple words, from the actual court document here, Aura is no stranger to litigation.
In addition to multiple investigations by state attorney generals and individual lawsuits concerning defendants' misleading and deceptive advertising, Aura has also been targeted by several other lawsuits relating to its purported outreach activities.
One such lawsuit accused Aura of secretly purchasing a small synagogue on Staten Island in 2007 to obtain tax exempt status as a religious organization and thereby avoid filing.
A public tax return and public scrutiny of its dealings.
By the way, a lot of people do this.
A lot of liberals do this.
That's why you have all of these churches and you'll have female pastors and trans dance time for kids and stuff.
That's because they pretend like it's a religious body so that they can be tax exempt by having these churches.
And then it just becomes a giant grift and anti Catholic, anti Christian group where they just promote liberal ideology.
As they pose as a church for a tax exempt status.
I've exposed a lot of this in Texas.
Moving on back to the court document.
According to New York Jewish Week, an independent newspaper serving the New York Jewish community, Young Israel of Eltingville, Young Israel, the synagogue's prior owner, accused Aura of improperly purchasing the synagogue's building and creating a fake synagogue called Congregation Aura, also run by Mintz, to secure the tax exempt status.
Young Israel alleged the Congregation Aura did not, however, provide religious services at the synagogue.
And then it falsely obtained tax exempt status and allowed Aura to shield its questionable financial dealings from public scrutiny.
So there's more in this document.
But basically, they found out that, you know, it was supposedly a, they said it was an anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
I never even, I never covered it.
They said it was an anti Semitic conspiracy theory that Cars for Kids was a front group that was only benefiting, Jewish children, and now it's actually come out in court that it's true.
And they get all these suckers to donate to these causes and they just steal your money.
They just steal your money.
It's all so corrupt, man.
It's all so corrupt.
What else do we have here?
How about this one?
Divers find underwater IED at Critical Alabama Dam.
An FBI bomb squad and law enforcement teams from Mobile, Alabama, on Wednesday removed and safely detonated an improvised explosive device found at the Converse Reservoir Dam.
Whoa.
What's up with that?
Divers located the device, a grenade type IED, underwater during routine maintenance.
The Mobile Water Authority quickly alerted the local sheriff's office, which coordinated the law enforcement response.
The IED was removed without damage to the dam and drinking water was not affected.
The Mobile Area Water and Sewer Systems wrote in a news release.
Well, I don't want to jump to any conclusions here, but.
Considering everything we've seen with the refineries and production plants and now dams, I'd say it's fair to say our country is under attack, guys.
I'd say somebody is attacking our country.
These things are not happening as isolated incidents.
Something is going on here, and they're not covering it.
You won't hear about this, by the way.
You're not going to hear about this.
Maybe you'll hear about some aliens.
How's that one going?
Thousands of mysterious underwater UFOs spotted off UF shores.
Now they're doing the water aliens.
Now we got water aliens.
I guess the space aliens didn't really do it for you.
So now they're giving you the aquatic aliens.
A popular UFO reporting app has been making waves after reportedly recording tens of thousands of mysterious underwater objects up and down the United States coastlines, raising eyebrows and leaving experts with more questions than answers regarding their origins.
Enigma, a nonpartisan organization that boasts its largest quarryable historical sighting database for UFO sightings, has recorded roughly 30,000 UFO sightings since its launch in 2022, according to the company's website, on and on and on.
So now they're saying, though, they're happening underwater.
So the space aliens didn't really distract you from the corruption in DC.
So now they're going to try to go with the aquatic aliens, I guess, the underwater.
We got Representative Thomas Massey coming up here shortly as his team is getting ready to join us.
We're going to talk about what happened with the raid that wasn't a raid, it's all this semantical thing into Tulsi Gabbard's office.
We are going to talk, we're going to play a clip of a debate from Tucker Carlson and Kevin O'Leary about data centers and AI.
We've got a couple of clips from that.
And then I'm going to show you that the Democrats are hitting all the pressure points right now.
The Democrats are hitting all the pressure points of the issues that Americans are thinking about and are concerned about heading into the midterms.
And the Republicans are going to be on the wrong side of these issues politically.
And if they think they can just shove it down your throat with all of their cult members telling you how great it is on social media, unfortunately for them, that is not going to go well.
So we got all of that coming up.
Thomas Massey about to join us shortly here.
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All right.
We take a short break.
When we come back, we will be joined by Representative Thomas Massey.
Obviously, a big news story right now.
The primary happening, the attacks on him, his most recent bills.
All of this is happening on the other side of this break.
Representative Massey Joins Live00:08:28
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No, no, no, no, no Extra dimensional and multi universal.
All right, Representative Massey was voting today, and so he is running a little bit behind.
So I decided I'd just go ahead and fire up back into the show.
And instead of having you guys wait through an extended break, and so as we will be joined by Representative Thomas Massey here shortly, let me again reiterate why this race is so important.
If we cannot keep Thomas Massey in Congress, then there is no conservative movement.
If we cannot keep Thomas Massey in Congress, then there is no Republican Party.
That's the message here.
Massey, who has the strongest.
Conservative voting record in Congress.
Massey, who has the highest grade on the Liberty Score review.
Thomas Massey, who is actually principled as far as conservatism and small government politics are concerned.
If we can't keep Massey in there, then there is no Republican Party.
There is no conservative movement.
And there is no right wing in America.
It just doesn't exist.
There's only the foreign donor class and the foreign interests that can buy any political seat in Congress that they want.
And I find it funny.
There is this attack from the MAGA cult today, and they're pointing out that Thomas Massey has fundraising from donors all across the country.
Now, Massey's donors are mostly, you know, humble, small donations.
We're not talking about big money, but they are coming from across the nation.
Because American conservatives, American Republicans, right wingers, small government libertarians, they all see what this race represents.
And if we can't keep Massey in Congress, it's over.
The foreign interests own Congress, and there's nothing we can do about it.
We can't even keep one good guy in there.
And so that's where it's coming from.
But it's funny when I see all of these MAGA cultists saying, oh, look, Massey has donations coming from Texas and coming from Florida and this state and that state.
It's funny watching MAGA say that and ignoring the fact.
That the top donors for Ed Gallerin's campaign are all Israelis.
It's all the Israeli interest, which is a foreign country.
I find it ironic.
I find it ironic that MAGA now has a bigger issue with Americans donating to a political campaign in America than they do foreign interests and the donor class donating to a campaign in America.
And that just tells you where they're at.
That tells you where they're at.
That tells you it's a total Trump cult.
They'll do whatever Trump tells them to do.
It doesn't really matter.
It's not about politics.
It's not about policy.
It's not about conservatism.
It's not about having a right wing.
Because AIPAC has done the exact same thing to Democrats.
They did the exact same thing to Cori Bush.
They've done the exact same thing to Jamal Bowman.
And I don't like either of them, just to be clear.
I'm no fan of Jamal Bowman or Cori Bush, but we all saw what happened.
They went anti Israel.
And so AIPAC came in and bought their seats and gave it to a Democrat that would be pro Israel.
So we can't let AIPAC and we can't let the foreign lobby control both parties.
We can't let AIPAC and the foreign lobbyists control our entire government.
Can't we have anything?
Can we have anything without the foreign lobbyists running it at all?
Just one thing.
That's what I'm wondering.
That's what I'm hoping.
All right, as we're waiting for Representative Massey to join us, From voting.
I think that that poly market prediction, I think that they intentionally tanked the odds for Massey to either make him look bad or because somebody knows Massey is going to win and they wanted to lower the value of that so that they could buy it for pennies on the dollar and then get 10 times on their investment when the incumbent Representative Thomas Massey ends up winning the race.
That's my interpretation of that poly market polling.
So that's just kind of how I see it.
All right, Representative Massey.
Oh, he's got, he's even got his famous debt clock on the jacket today.
Well, of course, it wouldn't be a Thomas Massey interview without the debt clock because, you know, it's very conservative to just ram home trillions and trillions in debt to the point where you have to be paying a trillion annually just on the interest of the debt.
So, yeah, I don't know.
No other politician seems to care about that.
And that says a lot as well.
All right, Representative Massey joining us.
Oh, yeah.
Representative Massey, it's been a crazy week for you, huh?
You know, I want to, I don't want to get too directional with the campaign to start here.
We've got you for about 30 minutes.
I know you're busy.
You're doing a bunch of interviews.
I want to just kind of talk about the culture right now.
You know, where I'm standing, I've dealt with it, you know, from the media.
Of staying true to my values, staying true to my principles, a conservative, America first, whatever you want to call it.
And it seems to be that the rest of the right wing or MAGA or the GOP, however we want to classify it, it seems that they are the ones that are going a different direction than us.
And that kind of seems to be the way it is for me.
It seems to me the same thing is happening with you.
I mean, whether it's your voting record, whether it's your principled stance on conservatism, the same lies and hit pieces that MAGA used to be able to identify false allegations.
Oh, he didn't vote for this bill.
No, he would have supported it.
It's because of all the pork.
What's it like to be on the receiving end of that as a politician?
I say that I was the most hated person in Washington, D.C., until Marjorie Taylor Greene arrived.
And then I was only the most hated man.
But when she left, the intensity on me doubled because, you know, she was principled.
She was in the way that you're describing.
It's tough, but it's worth doing.
I'll say that.
And when you've got the same story, no matter who you're talking to, it makes life a lot easier.
I think it's the people who come up here and vote against their constituents, walk the plank for the party leadership, and then have to go back home and take their butt whippings in the town halls.
Those are the ones I feel sorry for.
But that's the price they pay for perpetual reelection just to continuously frustrate or obfuscate with their base.
And then their base always wonders when did Lucy pull the football away?
How is it that they haven't scored a touchdown or a field goal by now?
Because they've been trying so hard.
And Owen, one of the things that I've been branded as unfairly on some days, fairly on others, is an obstructionist.
Let me tell you the things that I have been successful in obstructing.
I have obstructed a cover up of the Epstein files.
I have obstructed the get out of court free cards that Monsanto Bear was trying to get for glyphosate, otherwise known as Roundup.
I have obstructed warrantless spying, along with some other Republicans up here, obviously.
Who are wedded to the Constitution, not just the Second Amendment, but also the Fourth Amendment, First Amendment, and the 10th Amendment.
So, those are the things that I have obstructed.
The things, though, that get me in the most trouble, Owen, are the votes that are 420 to one.
That's where the money's coming from.
The people who are mad at me for having the audacity to go against a complete uniparty and to vote on resolutions, a vote against resolutions, because somewhere in there it says two plus two equals five.
And then I go online.
And I show people, do you see in this bill right here it says two plus two equals five?
And then the other 420 are in trouble because it looks like nobody read the bill but me.
There's where I get in the most trouble, Owen.
And that might be on some meaningless, saber rattling foreign policy, you know, non binding resolution.
That's why there's $15 million, $20 million by now against me in this primary.
That's why this has become the most expensive primary in history, in congressional history.
And a lot of that money, of course, is the foreign interest class.
It's funny, though, when you mentioned the things that you are actively obstructing, if we would turn the clocks back a year, maybe two, if you turned the clocks back and Thomas Massey came on this show and said, Here's what I'm going to be obstructing politically, MAGA would be celebrating.
I mean, this is the core of MAGA.
Like that used to be what MAGA is all about.
If you would have said that on this show a year or two ago, MAGA would be celebrating.
We'd be throwing our hats in the air.
We'd be saying, This is what MAGA is about.
But now you've been consistent.
This is MAGA.
This is MAHA, also, by the way, with the glyphosates.
And while we're talking about MAHA, let's talk about when I'm not an obstructionist, when I can get something passed.
I got to, A pro gun piece of legislation passed this week.
And last month, I got my prime act in the farm bill.
This is like the crown jewel, one of the crown jewels for Maha.
Bobby Kennedy wanted me to be the ag secretary.
This would have been the first thing I would have tried to get done as ag secretary, make it easier for small farmers, sustainably managed farms to sell direct to consumers without this meat monopoly, the oligopoly of foreign interests, foreign countries, again, that own the meat processing plants in the United States.
Getting involved in that transaction without the regulatory capture of the USDA, I got a bill called the Prime Act in the Farm Bill.
This is, you know, in a place where almost nothing ever gets done and the things that get done are not good things, this is something good that happened and nobody wants to talk about it.
Now, how have they tried to convince some of the people in Kentucky that I have abandoned my principles?
Well, they're using the oldest trick in the book.
They're using these giant omnibus bills, they're 1,000, 3,000 pages.
Look, I have voted against every omnibus bill.
These omnibus bills are why, when I got here, the debt was $18 trillion and now it's $39 trillion because they put everything, including the kitchen sink, in an omnibus bill.
So the ads that they're running against me, they could have run these ads based on my votes on the omnibus that Obama wanted, the omnibus that Biden wanted, or the omnibus that Trump wanted because every one of those omnibus bills funded the military.
Okay.
Every one of those funded Border Patrol.
Even Biden and Obama's bills had some money in there for that, right?
So they could run those ads if you voted against any omnibus bill.
And so that's what they do.
They're trying to convince people that I'm not for a wall, that I'm not for the SAVE Act, that I'm not for preventing men playing in girls' sports.
But those are all bills that I have voted for, I've co sponsored them, and I vote for them individually.
But when they try to season one of these big crap sandwiches with one of those good bills, I'm like, this is still a crap sandwich.
And this is how you're tricking conservatives into bankrupting this country.
I'm not going to fall for it.
Let me give you the most egregious example of this.
I have voted to keep men out of women's sports.
I have voted for Marjorie Taylor Greene's standalone bill to outlaw transgender surgeries for children.
But they stuck a provision, a good provision, in the first draft of the big beautiful bill that would defund.
The transgender surgeries, sex changes, let's just call it what it is sex changes for children.
And I go back to the same thing because I do think that perspective is everything here, especially in this new tumultuous time in right wing American politics.
Again, this is something that MAGA used to understand.
And MAGA itself, When Trump first came down the golden escalator and started this political movement, it was always about, hey, there's a new American right that is politically informed and we understand how the corruption works.
You're citing one example here.
It's like we used to understand, MAGA used to understand how they play these games.
They'll have a $60 million bill, okay?
And $20 million is for the military and then $40 million is for pork.
And they'll say, This is the military.
This is the save the military bill.
It's got 20 million for the military.
And then it's got 40 million for transgender studies and, you know, Libya and drunk seafood excursions and, you know, wherever, Tanzania.
And it's got all this garbage in there.
And you're saying, hey, I'll vote for $20 million for the military.
I'm not going to vote for $40 million for all of this pork.
MAGA used to understand that.
It's like, what happened?
But I don't want to get, I think that you've expressed on that.
Let me tell you another thing that everybody used to understand.
When Barack Obama was the president, Nancy Pelosi was the speaker, pick any of these times, or even when John Boehner was the speaker.
If a bunch of rhinos voted for a bill and 40 people, let's call them the Freedom Caucus and Freedom Curious, if 40 Republicans voted against something and then a bunch of Democrats voted against it because they were more liberal than even the rhinos were, the conservative organizations like Turning Point USA, the Heritage, Freedom Works, Club for Growth.
They never said, oh, he voted with the Democrats.
They gave you a 100% score for being a conservative.
The only way for you to vote against John Boehner, and that was a former speaker for the people that don't remember, or for the only way for you to vote against a Paul Ryan Rhino bill was to be on the other side where the Democrats were voting.
Now, the Democrats would be voting no for other reasons.
And that's how you got those conservative credentials.
That's how I became the highest rated conservative member of Congress from Kentucky.
Bar none in the House of Representatives on the Turning Point USA card, on the Freedom Index, on the Club for Growth scorecards.
Well, Charlie Kirk was a big supporter of yours as well.
And I do want to get to the local.
I want to get down to the local with you here in a minute because it's easy for us on social media now to kind of follow things at a national level.
But you're in Kentucky.
Not too many people know about local Kentucky politics and what's actually going on on the ground.
I want to get to that next.
But I got to ask you one question before I get there.
How much of this, what it is that you're going through politically right now, the attacks launched against you, Trump coming out against you, really the establishment now, the entire corrupt establishment, I view it, is coming against you.
How much of this do you believe is punishment for the Epstein Transparency Act?
I don't think that, because as you see, there's not really been any accountability in Washington, D.C. They've still been able to keep this swept under the rug.
But the Epstein class, they are not just for transgenders, they're transnational as well, right?
They fly jets, they've got visa waivers, they don't go through the same airport security as you and me, and they mingle with princes and prime ministers and ambassadors.
And they've got billions of dollars, and they're not particularly partisan or even ideological.
And so overseas, you see that the Prince of England has lost his title.
You see that the British ambassador to the United States, probably the most important link between two countries in the world, he was removed, arrested.
A former prime minister of Norway, minister of culture from France, the CEO of the World Economic Forum.
Can we just had to resign?
Because of the files that I got released.
Can we just pause right there?
The World Economic Forum used to be our arch nemesis.
If you were America first, if you were MAGA, you were against the people who said we're going to eat bugs and you'll own nothing and you'll be happy about it.
The guy that runs that organization, gone because of the Epstein files.
And so, is it?
Am I getting punished for that?
Oh, hell yeah.
These people like Miriam Adelson, Paul Singer, they might not have gone to Epstein Island, but they dine with these people.
So, for instance, John Paulson, he's one of the three billionaires that contributes to MAGA Kentucky, which is neither MAGA nor Kentucky.
These are people that are just as happy doing a fundraiser for Chuck Schumer and funding pro abortion Democrats for state Senate in Texas as they are giving money for a ballroom in Washington, D.C. That's just the price of admission for them to go to the balls and be among the Epstein class.
But let's talk about John Paulson.
Even before the Epstein files came out, he was in the Black Book.
This is an exclusive list of about 1,000 people for whom Epstein had private cell phone numbers.
And it doesn't imply that they're guilty, it just implies that Jeffrey Epstein could drop a dime and call him whenever he wanted.
And what we found out in the release of these files is that Howard Lutnick is a straight up liar.
To the American people.
That's our commerce secretary.
That's the guy on Air Force One that's behind Trump.
He's behind the resolute desk.
He's always standing there whispering in the president's ear.
He was on Epstein Island.
And he claimed he never was, that he had nothing to do with Epstein.
But Paul, you see, John Paulson, in the Epstein files, we see that he was throwing a ball, a recognition party for Howard Lutnick and asking Jeffrey Epstein for $50,000 and got it.
I saw you doing the ghost handshake at work with the.
Okay.
So he's dodged eight debates.
He has a local event the other night.
Somebody brings this up that he's dodging the debates and he has no answer.
He says, Oh, I'm debating Massey right now.
That's his response.
I look at the local media.
I look at, you know, local independent press that covers your campaign or Ed's campaign.
I look at local talk radio, you know, AM station.
It's more niche stuff, but these are the people that are actually boots on the ground that understand where things are going.
They all seem to be in your camp.
You are the incumbent.
You are favorable outside of, I guess, the DC swamp.
Is this race as close as they claim?
And I'm not trying to turn people off from supporting or getting out and voting for you, but I just feel like, I don't know, I feel like there's a lot of fake news out there about the actual support.
Look, I think the most accurate is the betting markets.
And let's say the betting market, I don't know where I'm at on PolyMarket or CalShe right now, but if it's 60 40, that doesn't mean I'm up 20 points in the polls.
It means that the people that put their money where their mouth is think there's a 40% chance I'm going to lose on May 19th, right?
Like that's pretty darn sobering.
Our own polls show this is in the single digits.
Like the average of my last four polls shows me up low single digits.
And it's been pretty steady.
They've washed all the sand off the beach, but they're having a harder and harder time washing the rocks off.
They're going all in in this last week.
They're spending, they're adding to their spend.
Like usually you buy the entire week at the beginning of the week.
Well, during the week, they're adding money to their spend, but they're already over like three or four million dollars spending against me on TV in the last week.
Now, the good news is, I'm up to a million dollars of spending thanks to the money bomb.
And I'm adding to that tomorrow.
I'm going to add more money to that spend.
I don't want to, you know, my opponents are watching this TV and APAC's getting out their wallet.
So I don't want to say how much we're going to add to the spend tomorrow so that they can still front run.
That's what we're going to add to it here tomorrow.
But look, dogs don't bark at parked cars.
If this weren't a close race, in other words, if I were running away with it, they would have stopped spending.
And if they were running away with it, they would have stopped spending.
It is a very tight race.
And everybody's all in.
Just when I thought nobody could push in more chips into the center of the table, APAC and RJC doubled down, Miriam Adelson doubled down, but our people doubled down online.
And in a money bomb, I thought I might raise $300,000 or $400,000.
We're over 2 million right now at massymoneybomb.com.
And then if you just look at the volume or the monetary value of the donations, His are like 2% from Kentucky.
Mine are like 5% from Kentucky.
So I've got, and then if you just looked at the overall value, I've probably in dollars, I've probably got five or 10 times as many Kentucky dollars as he has.
So they try to criticize me that way.
But I'm not offended that this has become a national race and that people would rather send me their money.
Conservatives would rather send money to me than to their own rhino congressman.
That's the ultimate compliment.
And I'm not offended when independents who were disenfranchised from the Republican Party, who left the Republican Party, and they send me money, I'm not offended by that because I'm trying to grow the tent.
I'm trying to bring more people in.
And I've told these people up here in Washington, D.C., what's going to happen if you are able to take me out in the 40% likelihood that Polly Market and Kalshi have that I lose?
If that happens, You have alienated about four or five factions of the Republican Party, the coalition that gave you the majority in the House, that gave you the White House.
You're taking out Maha.
You're telling them, we don't care about you.
You're taking out the 40% of Republicans who are tired of these endless wars.
Actually, I would say it's 80% who are tired of endless wars, but it's 40% who are sticking with that, even when we're doing our own war right now and it's not yet endless.
You're taking out the fiscal hawks who said, We got it, you know, the Doge coalition that's basically been run out of DC.
Okay.
You're telling them we don't need you.
You're taking out the privacy hawks, the First Amendment absolutists who, you know, and those cross parties, those are people who may be registered in other parties, but join the coalition.
You know, it's always supposed to be a nasty, dirty thing when you're bipartisan and you're running, you know, you've got bipartisan support for a bill like the Epstein files.
Oh, he works with Democrats.
They hate, they try to use that against you in a primary.
But boy, when it comes around to a general election, all these guys in tough districts, they become real bipartisans.
Just say you're campaigning so hard, you're going to lose your voice when it's all said and done.
I'll tell people that's the truth.
But no, the way I categorize this, and I'd like your final word before we let you go here.
The way I categorize this is that if they can successfully unseat Thomas Massey, then we don't have a Republican Party, we don't have a conservative movement, and there's no right wing in America.
There's just the Uniparty and the donor class.
And if you refuse to work with them and if you refuse to do their bidding as a Republican or a Democrat, quite frankly, but for this race, it's a Republican, then you're not allowed to exist.
And for Thomas Massey to win, that is a victory for conservatives.
That is a victory for America first.
That is a victory against the corrupt establishment, against the swamp, against the uniparty.
But if they can successfully unseat you with the donor class and foreign lobbies, there is no Republican party, there is no conservative movement.
There is no MAGA.
It's the same uniparty donor class that we were supposed to be fighting and defeating.
That's what this race represents to me, Thomas Massey.
It's like we won't even need to have the other races, depending on the outcome of this race.
But let me put it in a positive light.
I think everything you said is accurate.
But what does it mean if I win?
Look, in this last push, when I leave here and go back to Kentucky, it turns out I've got three other congressmen that want to come and join me in the campaign.
And that's encouraging to me that we want to keep them as a special surprise when we get there Friday and Saturday.
And I've got two former congressmen who are going to join me.
And we're going to have a rally on Saturday when people can still vote.
And I have colleagues here who really want me to win because they will be emboldened.
They've got the right principles, right?
They're just waiting to see.
I've stuck my head up.
They're waiting to see if I get my head chopped off here.
And if I don't, they will be.
Uh, more empowered, they are good hearted, they believe in what they campaign on, they haven't become zombies.
And I'm and they are with me on things like the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
Some of these folks are with me on the War Powers Resolution, they're with me on a fighting central bank digital currency.
So, there are some good people still in Congress, and some of them are going to be there in Kentucky with me during this race.
More of them will be empowered to speak, and it won't require getting 20 more Thomas Masseys elected to Congress, they're already here.
They're just waiting to see if it's safe and if we can show you can pull this off.
And I won't pretend that any one of them could sustain this fight, right?
Like they know they don't have the national fundraising base.
But if, but if we do get, if they do feel empowered and there's a dozen or 20 of them who start voting more like me, then the enemy has to disperse its efforts across these individuals and we start winning.
And that's what this is about.
All the chips are in.
This is for all the marbles.
And it's all going to come down to one day.
It's a national election, it's a global election.
I have TV stations from Japan and Europe coming to my events.
And they will be at the main event on May 19th, which, ironically, I am a spiritual person.
I'm not superstitious, but my election day is a six month anniversary of passing the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which happened on November 19th.
And May 19th is my election.
And I am more spiritual after passing the Epstein Files Transparency Act, seeing the evil that was suppressed for two decades and four administrations.
And I think there are a lot of powers, good powers on our side.
And I do think to a certain degree, the other side of that is yes, the reason why they're making this the most expensive House primary ever is because they want that intimidation factor.
So that's another thing that your victory will represent.
It's victory over the intimidation, it's victory over the political establishment, it's victory over the donor class.
Because I think they knew this was going to be a long shot.
They knew that it was going to have to be a total propaganda campaign, but they put all the money into it to tell other Republicans, other conservatives hey, if you want this fight, Adelson and AIPAC is going to whip out their checkbook and they're going to pour $25 million in at the drop of a hat.
Good luck competing with that.
So I think a lot of that is a warning shot, and it's nice to see you standing on your principles.
It's nice to see America standing with you.
Where can people go to support your campaign, donate to your campaign, share information, be a part of what you're about to do in Kentucky?
Yeah, well, go to X, follow me on X. My official account is at Rep Thomas Massey, and my campaign account is at Massey for Kentucky, I think.
And that's the one I should be repeating here that's the one where you can donate.
And if you can't remember any of those, look for massymoneybomb.com.
That's where you need to go.
What's funny is I sit there, I watch that ticker.
Look, if I wake up at 3 a.m. before I get back to sleep, I look at the money bomb and I read the comments before I go back to sleep.
Is very encouraging.
There's a lot of positive reinforcement on that money bomb site, and um, we're using that money for phone calls to knock on doors to buy our last minute TV.
We can still buy radio and streaming up to the last day, so don't wonder, is it will it still matter at this point?
Is it too late to donate?
No, it's not too late to donate.
MasseyMoneyBob.com.
One thing that's funny the ticker goes up little bit by little bit, and then Once, about two or three times a day, we go look at all the people that donated to our original site, thomasmassy.comslash donate.
And we have to take that money and put it into the Money Bomb site.
It kind of is like the people who get so excited, they don't find the Money Bomb site.
And so if you see the Money Bomb site jump up $50,000, it's not because somebody donated $50,000.
It's because we found $50,000 at the other link and that got lost and didn't go to the Money Bomb site.
So it's pretty exciting to watch that ticker go up and people.
If you could, do leave a comment.
I read those comments.
And because you have to donate something to the cause to leave a comment, it doesn't have all the negative crap, all the paid social media influencers that are taking foreign money to post bull crap.
Well, I'll tell you what, as a conservative movement, America First movement, however we want to categorize this, that really needs a morale boost badly.
Really needs a victory badly, feeling disenfranchised and in the dirt right now.
Thomas Massey winning this primary could be the injection of energy and hope and morale that this country, right wing conservatives, anti establishment people need.
And so we're pulling for you big.
We're pulling for you big.
God bless.
Godspeed.
We'll share those fundraising sites.
We'll continue to promote your campaign, help you in any way we possibly can.
And I'm telling you, I think we discussed pretty well what it represents.
Well, you know, I'm not going to compromise my principles.
I never have.
You know, I've had plenty of opportunities over the years to make a deal and go along to get along.
I won't do it.
The job's important, but it doesn't become important if I'm not following the principles that I campaigned on.
So there'd be no reason for me to be here.
I think if there's hope to vote your way out of this, I will win.
And that's why I'm running, because I do think there's hope and I want to give other people hope.
That light map, that heat map that you showed of the United States where all the donors are coming from on the Massey Money Bomb site.
That shows me where I need to go when this race is over and do my thank you tour.
Where I see a big spot in Utah or somewhere in Washington state where I didn't know there were principal conservatives.
You know, I knew down in Texas there's three bright spots.
I've been to those three bright spots in Texas.
I've been to that bright spot in Georgia, but I'm seeing bright spots all over the country where there are principal people who are getting out $25 or $50 and donating and lighting up the map.
That tells me where I need to go and say thank you when this is all over.
Probably the most conservative member of Congress, and right now, the most anti establishment, anti corrupt establishment person that you can go out and vote for.
So, very important stuff.
Glad that we could get that interview done today.
All right, without any hesitation, let's just jump to our next guest.
Natalie, who has been kindly sitting there silently, we were able to push her back a little bit.
Originally, we had her at five, but she kindly said, I'll wait for your interview to be over with Thomas Massey.
It's like there was this excitement that things were going to be different.
That's excitement is all gone.
There was this idea that we had a chance to, you know, at least start to chip away at the political corruption and start to get this massive.
Government reform that we need, that hope is kind of gone.
And then there's this disenfranchisement, whether it's left or right, but on the right right now, there's this disenfranchisement where it's like, man, I went and I voted and I still don't get representation.
I still don't get what I vote for, no matter who it is.
That's what I hear.
That's what the conversations I have in my social circles.
I thought, you know, the brand that is redacted is independent thinking.
It's things that once the Democrats stood for, and then all of a sudden we had endeared ourselves to conservatives.
We were more aligned with the right than we were with the left because we were anti war, free speech, and, you know, independent medical independence in terms of COVID.
Those are things that Democrats once stood for, but we stood for them when they were not.
Now, all of a sudden, you know, those are.
Earning us the title of liberals.
And, you know, we've alienated some of our audience that thought that we were Trumpers, that we were MAGA, that we would stand with the president.
And we don't stand for people.
We only stand for principles.
And, you know, these are principles that are things that I'm trying to teach my kids.
I cannot abandon them because I was inspired by a MAGA movement.
And I will say that I was.
I liked what MAGA meant to a lot of people.
I think it meant rejecting the trans agenda, rejecting the sort of sexual perversions of the Biden administration, rejecting the idea of, you know, a gay man with boobs on the White House, you know, the idea of, Taking your children if you don't use their pronouns, the idea, all of that were things that were a massive rejection.
And they said, we want to be families.
We want to be able to speak, you know, see a boy and say that that's a boy.
You know, these were culture wars, I grant you.
But, you know, Democrats started, they supported the destruction of Gaza.
Most of that happened on their watch.
We didn't think that Trump was really going to stop it.
I did think that Trump would make more headway in the war in Ukraine.
The only thing that they can claim, and I guess, you know, I guess it's a fair claim, but I may, you know, a little premature is, oh, well, the war's only been going on for six weeks.
So, okay, I guess, yeah, it hasn't gone on for six years.
But even when they make that argument, you know, this is what's so crazy now, Natalie.
And I'm, and I know that you guys over at Redacted kind of deal with the same issues here.
It's like, hey, I don't mind political disagreements.
I don't expect everybody to agree with me on all the issues or policy direction and stuff like that.
But I do expect logical consistency.
That's what I want.
I want honesty and I want consistency.
And if you can't be honest or consistent in your logic, then to me, you're no good.
You're either a conscious liar, a propagandist, or really, you're just, quite frankly, too dumb to engage in a serious political discussion.
And this is a perfect example.
So, when you get into these debates about the war, And they have this defense and they say, well, this isn't a new war or this isn't a never ending war.
You know, it's only six weeks.
Eventually, you get to the point where they argue it's not even a war.
And we had Anna Kasparian on the show the other day.
And, you know, when Trump.
Toutes this, you can't vote for the Democrats because Obama chooses Iran over Israel.
And I thought to myself, I do too.
I'd rather do business with those guys than those guys.
I don't want to do business with the guys who just raised an entire civilization in Gaza, the guys who, you know, take all of this land in the West Bank, separate a mom and a kid while they have to.
Like, yeah, I kind of would make that choice too.
Now, that doesn't mean that I think Iran is perfect or that they are our best bedfellows or that I support the current government.
It's just that at this point, Is that a talking point that's going to win?
That the Democrats support Iran?
I mean, what does that even mean?
We should have had logical diplomacy with Iran decades ago.
But if you look at Obama, he was not good to Iran.
I mean, he put sanctions on them that crippled their economy.
He launched the world's first cyber weapon on them.
He ignored diplomacy when Ahmadinejad sent him letters.
Well, and I don't think that that's what's happening.
I think that it's loyalty.
They just want blind loyalty.
They want you to be loyal to a man, and they really don't care about issues, policies, promises.
It's just you have to be loyal to a man, you have to trust a politician, and that's just totally foreign, which I don't understand how any American, quite frankly, can have that mindset after everything we've witnessed politically.
Yes, but you see the numbers dropping for Trump's approval rating.
So I think that there are, if we're really giving out grades for independent thinking, there are more independent thinkers who are on the right than are on the left.
Well, in the gaslighting, it's like, look, this is no endorsement of Iran.
Let me be perfectly clear since we have to put these prerequisites out there now.
This is no endorsement of Iran, not at all.
But I'm not going to be sit here and gaslit and be told that Iran is the biggest terror state as we're watching Israel bomb seven different countries, kill hundreds of thousands of people, including innocent women and children.
I'm sorry.
You're not going to gaslight me into thinking Iran is the only evil in the Middle East as we're all watching Israel commit the most heinous evil in the Middle East.
And it's like that's what they're trying to gaslight us on right now.
And if you're a principled conservative, liberal, wherever, and you just look at it for what it is and you reject that, the entire political establishment tries to come down on you, specifically right now in the right, since that's who's in power.
And we're starting to see the deterioration.
And I want to get to the midterms coming up, but we're starting to see the deterioration.
Here's, let me give you an example.
Scott Jennings was like, he was on fire on CNN, right?
Well, more recently during the Biden years and then in kind of the first months of the Trump administration, you know, Scott Jennings, his political public commentary profile was on fire.
He was on the rise.
And now he's in this position of being forced to defend Israel.
He's in this position of being forced to defend this intervention in the Middle East.
And now he's getting trounced.
Now he's getting trounced.
He's got the left wingers pinning him and making him tap out almost every show now.
And it's like, how do the Republicans not see this?
Um, but I don't think I what do you think about the midterms?
You know, there's a lot of rhetoric out there, and there are some people that maybe were Trump supporters or might be on the right wing and they're telling people to vote Democrat or whatever.
Um, I'm looking at it from a different angle, I don't really think it matters.
You know, this is kind of what happened after 2024, where in 2016, yeah, Trump needed the independent media.
In 2016, he was running against the Republican establishment, he was running against the neocons.
We all saw what happened.
And in those moments, Trump needed the Owen Shroyers.
He needed the InfoWars.
He needed the Natalie Morris's, the redacted.
Trump needed that to get through the primaries and defeat Hillary Clinton.
So that was like we had a much bigger role in getting Trump in in 2016.
Well, when 2024 came around, it was entirely different.
It was Kamala Harris and Biden were such a disaster.
People were going to vote for Republicans.
Trump was now part of the Republican Party.
He was the head of the Republican Party.
It didn't matter whether I supported Trump or not, he was going to get the nomination, he was going to win the election.
And so it was a different paradigm from 2016.
To 2024.
So, how does this translate to the midterms?
Because where I'm at, I'm like, I don't think I could ever vote Democrat.
There's no Democrats I like.
I've never voted Democrat.
I'm not going to tell anybody to vote Democrat, but I'm so disenfranchised.
I'm so disenfranchised with Republicans.
I just feel like if I go vote for a Republican in the midterms, then I'm a slave.
If I go vote for the Republicans in the midterms, I'm a cuck.
I'm untrue to myself.
I'm unloyal to myself.
And I'm not voting for anything that's going to benefit me.
So, it's this weird catch 22.
It's like, I don't want Democrats in power, but I don't want to be a slave to the Republicans that treat me like a, you know, in an abusive relationship, especially if Paxton's not on the ballot.
I don't know any reason why I would go vote in the midterms if Ken Paxton is not on the ballot.
I'm just going to make little stickers with the middle finger emoji and put them all over my ballot because I can't.
I don't know.
I can't, you know?
And I think that.
I guess, you know, again, there were questions about Trump that I had to set aside in order to vote for Trump, but I felt really strongly about voting against the Democrats.
And for me, it was the first time to vote against the Democrat.
And so, you know, I sort of put those caveats aside in order to do it once.
Can I do that again?
Given the fact that, I mean, we murdered 180 girls, it's not a big enough part of the conversation.
We, you know, in the same way that was it the 80s or the 90s, we shot down an Iranian civilian airplane and never apologized for it, you know.
And I don't think we need to make this caveat about we're not for Iran.
Iran has been actually trying sincerely diplomatic outreach since the 70s.
And each one of our presidents has done them dirty in response to that.
And by the way, when it comes to the theft of the nuclear capabilities that was stolen and given to Israel, the right wing embraces the individuals that were responsible for that.
They clearly embrace individuals that ran those operations.
And I don't know, again, I guess I'm a little more, I guess I'm a little more, I don't know if I would say extreme than you, but I put my neck out there quite a bit with my controversial opinions.
And what I've noticed recently is they come after me.
Like I just did that report for the O'Keeffe Media Group.
They're coming after James O'Keeffe now.
And they say, well, gee, Owen, how can you support the Democrats that called you a Nazi?
How can you support the Democrats that did this and that?
And I'm sitting here saying, hey, guys, you're doing that to me now.
I'm not getting that from the left.
I don't have leftists in my comments all the time, insulting me, lying about me, calling me names.
It's all right wingers.
It's all MAGA.
They're like, how can you vote for Democrats?
They called you Nazi.
No, you're the ones calling me a Nazi now.
So there's this crazy disconnect, and they really think they just own your vote.
You've got right wing politics, you've got left wing politics, and then you have, I think, the majority of Americans that are somewhere in the middle and just kind of maybe swing with their vote because no matter who gets into office, they're all corrupt.
And so they go the other way, then they go vote the other way, and then they go vote the other way.
And the one thing that I think is not properly discussed right now on the right wing, I think they're totally not even misinterpreting this.
I don't even think they're interpreting this at all.
I don't believe today, as we have this discussion, that the American right has the moral high ground anymore.
I think that the first year and a half of the Trump administration, the moral high ground that the American right had, the conservative right had, even maybe at large, the Republican Party, I think it's all gone.
I think we have spent all of our moral high ground capital on this awful foreign policy, the war in Iran, backing Israel and everything that they're doing, gaslighting the American people about what's happening domestically.
The right wing no longer has the moral high ground, and they're still operating as if they do.
And it's like, guys, you don't understand.
You do not have the moral high ground anymore.
When you want to come out and say, oh, look at this artist who said F. Trump, it doesn't matter anymore.
And you look at, and look, I'm not even, you know, Trump taking that delegation of, you know, the billionaire industrialists that for a while they've sold out America to China.
It's ironic that he takes that.
I don't even look, I actually look at that as a good strategy, quite frankly.
I kind of think I understand what Trump is doing, you know, showing up in China with all these industrialists that have kind of sold America out to China.
But it's like, okay, maybe this is a presentation of they're with us now.
Let's put some pressure on it.
I'd like to think that's what's going on.
Maybe that's some hopium.
I guess the negative side of that would be they're just all scheming about how they're just going to continue to get more rich and the rest of us are going to get more poor.
We'll see what comes out of these negotiations.
But you get back to the kind of elitist angle of it all.
Let me rephrase that.
To me, this is a globalist operation now.
Trump is a pure globalist when it comes to foreign policy and when it comes to the people that he's working with as well.
I mean, this is a globalist administration now.
Trump doesn't talk about nationalism, not globalism will be our credo.
But I do think it would be a fair assumption to say that when they're deciding how they're going to roll this whole AI data center quantum computing singularity out, they're not thinking about you and I. They're not thinking about the middle class.
They're not thinking about poor Americans.
They're only thinking about themselves.
I do think that that is fair to say.
But as far as what is going to happen to the economy and the working class, I really don't think we know.
It would seem that this is going to replace the working class.
I mean, face value, I think that that's kind of an easy assumption to make, but maybe we really don't know.
And yet, there's no breaks to this.
And not many people are talking about it.
I know that you guys talk about it at Redacted.
I make a big fuss about this right now.
I think you can strip away most of these issues right now.
I think strip away the foreign policy issues, strip away the domestic issues.
What they're building right now, or what they're trying to build, is an AI surveillance state.
The problem is, and again, it feels purposeful, is that how do we focus our attention on any one priority?
You know, the war, ending the war, is important because we have human souls and we don't want to kill young girls.
It's also important because it's a theft from the working class, because it devalues the U.S. dollar, because it makes life harder for American families.
Then there's this idea of getting fluoride out of our water, you know, big pharma out of our schools.
That, like, how do you?
Focus yourself.
I think about this all the time.
It's like we broadcast on so many different important issues, and you know, we all have, there's just not enough outrage to go around for all of it.
And I don't, and I do think that that's purposeful.
Well, I would like to see a symposium and not just something from the people.
I mean, like, this needs to come from the administration, this needs to come from the billionaire class that is investing in these data centers.
There needs to be a public conversation, and it's simply not happening.
And you know what?
If you want to have somebody at the table, and I'm going to play this clip because Tucker Carlson and Kevin O'Leary had the debate.
I don't know if you saw it.
This is the debate that needs to be had.
But it's like, I want somebody at the table that is a hard no on AI, a hard no on data centers.
And I want somebody on the table that's a full affirmative yes on both of these issues.
And I want to see this conversation go public because the only resistance that we have right now to this Skynet that they're building is at the local level.
But it's not, but see, but that tells me that the people that are setting themselves up to make trillions of dollars on this operation, they don't want it to happen.
I probably have Elon Musk like 53, 54 approval right now.
So he's on the positive side of the spectrum.
I get a lot of hate.
People don't like Elon Musk, and I kind of look at it from a different angle because people just want to lump him into the billionaire class and the elite class, and maybe that's fair.
The reason why I look at Elon differently is well, really, two reasons.
I think that Elon, unlike the rest of it or the most of them, I think Elon actually cares about humanity.
I do.
I think that Elon actually has some connection to humanity and has some love and appreciation for the beauty of humanity, where the rest of them seem, they just feel like throw it away.
We don't really care.
And I feel it's important whether you like Elon Musk or not that we just, we need him in there.
He might be the only one of this senti billionaire.
Class that actually feels any connection left to humanity and doesn't want to just flush it down the table.
And two, the other thing that Elon has made public statements about, too, he basically is saying, Look, I'm not into AI.
I'm not even into social media.
The only reason why I'm investing in these industries is because everyone else that does it hates you.
Everyone who invests in these industries hates you and hates the planet and hates humanity.
So it's like, I'm not into this stuff, but I have to invest because I'm the only one that doesn't hate you.
So that's kind of my interpretation of Elon Musk right now.
For some reason, Natalie, whenever I'm out, you know, doing social events, social activities with friends and such, for whatever reason, people like to debate politics when I'm around.
Everybody wants to start talking politics with me.
But I do, this is something when it comes up, when these issues come up, which, by the way, I do think there's a massive mismeasurement from the right on this.
The war in Iran is so unpopular.
Israel is so unpopular.
And if you don't understand that, you're just under the propaganda brainwashing.
But what happens when these political debates come up around me is what the people that are trying to stand on the moral compass will bring up pro life.
And you start talking about what's happening in the Middle East, Israel, Lebanon, Gaza.
And they say, oh, well, okay, you're right wing and you support this.
Yeah, okay.
They say, well, are you pro life?
Well, of course I'm pro life.
Well, are you pro life in Gaza?
Are you pro life in Palestine?
Are you pro life in Lebanon?
Are you pro life in Iran, where we just killed almost 200 schoolgirls?
Are you pro life there?
And this is when they start stuttering and muttering and coming up with the excuses.
And maybe it's not the most fair thing to say that's equivalent to abortion, but I do think it's pro life.
I think it's either you're pro life and you want to preserve humanity and not have innocent people die, whether it's in the womb or in Gaza or Lebanon, or you're not.
And if you guys are looking for a source of news and information outside of the Owen Report, of course, that is fair, neutral, balanced, honest, and trustworthy, I can tell you Redacted is a great source for me.
On the three hour mark, we have to get to our super chats.
I've been teasing this Tucker and Kevin O'Leary debate, but maybe we'll put that on hold because tomorrow I've got Greg Reese coming on the show.
And he did a video recently about the data centers and the New World Order and why he thinks they are.
Strategically, geographically, strategically placing these things on high ground because he thinks the elites know that there's going to be some sort of a cataclysmic event.
So I'd like to kind of pick his brain about that and then maybe we'll use that or we'll use the O'Leary Carlson debate to lead into that since we're already going on hour three.
I do want to give DMT another shot to voice his opinion on the show today.
We kind of took a swing at that earlier, just cold.
Because Massey was caught up with voting.
So, why don't we try to get DMT on here?
Let's see if we can get your audio fixed here, and then we'll go to the super chats.
I think the opposition against Massey online is just totally astroturf.
Like you said, One thing for the people that don't understand gambling markets the less amount of wagers that are actually in the market itself, the easier it is for a big whale to move it.
So I saw there was a total, at least on Kalshi, there was like 3 million in it.
That means someone could put a million dollar bet on Golren and end up actually moving the market pretty substantially.
So, but that's not even what I wanted to say.
What I wanted to say is I know you know the head of product for X, Mr. Nikita Beer.
He's not exactly a big fan of mine personally.
You know about some of the things that not everybody else knows about.
But, anyways, I noticed today after a lot of people claim they're suppressed on X and things, I think it's kind of annoying sometimes.
But I think both you and I can agree.
I legitimately have been.
Pretty suppressed ever since this whole thing with me and Nikita Beer.
Not as many impressions and things like that as usual, but it's pretty substantial.
Anyways, I put a few things out about Thomas Massey today.
The last one had 17,000 likes in only an hour.
So Thomas Massey is absolutely popular among the American populace.
I think it's something that needs to be noted that you saw that Fox poll about how MAGA supports Trump 100%.
What they're not telling you is that.
Significantly less people identify as MAGA these days.
And you're seeing that with right leaning independents.
You're seeing it with young people.
You're seeing it with Hispanics.
You're seeing it with all different types of demographics that clearly don't want anything to do with the MAGA agenda.
So when people say, oh, MAGA hates Thomas Massey, well, MAGA is an ever declining asset and it's more legit.
It loses legitimacy by the day.
So I just think that a lot of people get sort of stuck in these silos and they think there's all this opposition to Thomas Massey that doesn't exist.
So Well, and I support Massey and I'm sick of the propaganda.
And you can clearly tell that those are women in those videos.
And that's why it's so funny to watch MAGA crashing out over it saying, oh, you sent Owen to do this.
You guys don't, you guys are, look, I'm not even trying to be mean.
Like this is out of serious consideration for your own mind and your own soul.
You need to do a little introspection here.
You need to look in the mirror.
If you're watching those undercover videos and you think that they sent me in to get them, as it's clearly a woman, In the video, it's clearly a woman, and you are so brainwashed and blinded by hatred that you think it's me, then you need to have a moment.
You need to sit down, you need to take a pause and realize that you've lost your mind, you've lost your marbles.
So, you want to disagree politically, that's fine.
But if you think I'm a woman in my off hours, then I don't know what to say.
I think you have some serious mental issues.
I just sent $25 to Thomas Massey.
Do it if you're not a scared little black pilled baby.
If you have the means, which we do not, go Massey.
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying.
If you're talking about the event for Massey that's coming up, you know, I look at it like this.
At this point, it would just be selfish for me to go because there's going to be a bunch of people there, a bunch of great people, people I want to meet.
It's going to be a big event.
And it's like, it would kind of just be if I felt like the event needed me.
If I felt like the event needed my presence for promotion or if it was really going to help, then I would feel more inclined to do it.
But there's so many big names, there's so many heavy hitters.
They don't, they really don't need me.
And I think my time is probably better spent just hosting this show in studio again since I just took the break.
I don't know.
It's not out of the question.
But like I said, at this point, it kind of feels selfish because I just want to go hang out with all the great people that are going to be there.
I don't know.
We might look into it, but I'd say it's not, it's probably not going to happen.
I just took the break.
We need to be here in studio every day.
Poly market and cars for kids owned and operated.
Don't come after Poly market.
Those are good guys over there.
Okay.
I don't want to get into this whole Poly market thing, but I'm telling you, those are good guys.
All right.
So now, cars for kids, that's a different story.
They got legal problems, not Poly Market.
Tay Tay, my Latina girlfriend broke up with me, met an older Latina wearing a MILF fishback crop top and blue Lulus at Publix on Mother's Day.
You have so many insider jokes here, nobody can keep up with you anymore.
It's like you got to tone it down.
Did Natalie mention Lululemon's?
You know what?
I understand what you're saying.
And I am better than Lululemon's, by the way.
Just like way better.
NASA, what is it going to take for people to admit and understand that voting is fake?
Our brains have been flooded and numbed with atrocities.
That's true.
That's true.
We've become desensitized to it.
And then it all becomes politically aimed and propagandized so that you're only supporting the one side that you're supposed to that owns your mind.
I think it's time to vote for a third party, the farm girl.
Well, Elon Musk talked about launching an America party.
If anybody can make it possible, maybe it's Elon Musk.
There's never been an environment where a third party could win.
There's never been that environment.
And it would only exist at the presidential level, not at the local level.
It'd be too hard to penetrate it at the local level.
But at the national level, this could be the first time.
Where you have a political environment where a third party candidate could actually become a serious contender.
I mean, it'd have to be a big name.
It'd have to be a big name and a big voice.
But I think it's the first time where a third party could actually be a contender.
I think that we have the first time where a political climate where the Republicans suck so bad and the Democrats suck so bad that people from both sides are disenfranchised and looking for new options.