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June 17, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live

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	All right.
	We are live, special edition Jew cast.
	Uh today, along with myself, Andrew Meyer, my co-host Alan Roberts up there.
	We have Owen Schreuer, we have the Misfit Patriot.
	We're gonna be kicking off a very special debate.
	Uh before we get started, and they introduce themselves.
	I'm just gonna let everybody know where this came from.
	Uh Laura Loomer tweeted a lot of right wingers.
	LARP is America first.
	If you watch their content, they're cheering for Iran.
	How can you call yourself America first?
	If you cheer for a regime that chants death to America, why can't these people just be honest and say they don't like Jews?
	Just say it.
	Why are people so afraid of being who they are?
	Just uh say it.
	That's Laura.
	Owen responded, cheering for peace is cheering for Iran.
	This is a false binary.
	It's dishonest and disingenuous.
	This is why Israel is losing support badly.
	Misfit Patriots said, You fucking retard, don't cheer for peace.
	You're just obsessed with Israel's demise, and you conveniently never criticize Israel's enemies.
	So, yes, you absolute fucking clown.
	You're cheering for Iran by default, due to your idiotic hatred for one of America's greatest allies.
	Owen then laid down the gauntlet, said, I challenge you to a bait on a debate on the issue.
	Misfit accepted, and here we are.
	So uh first I want to give uh Owen and then uh Zach a chance to introduce themselves, and then I'm gonna lay out the debate rules.
	So Owen Schreuer for the people that don't know who you are, Tim Tim Poole style.
	Who are you, Owen Troyer?
	Thank you.
	Glad you could host this debate.
	Glad the Misfit Patriot and I could uh come to terms for this debate.
	Yeah, Owen Schreuer.
	Uh I've been a political commentator, field reporter, talk show host since about 2012.
	I've been all over America covering politics.
	I've been working at InfoWars since 2016.
	I've hosted the InfoWars War Room since 2017.
	I have been through a lot for my politics.
	Pretty much check off any box, censored, swatted, sued, imprisoned, you name it.
	I've gone through it.
	Uh, and I do it all again because I love this country and I want to see a better America for everybody.
	And I think for tonight's conversation, it's also worth mentioning.
	I want to see a better world for everybody as well.
	Awesome, Owen.
	Uh, misfit, go ahead.
	Uh tell the world who you are, brother.
	Uh, yeah, very similar.
	Um, just political.
	I do political commentary, you know, as a hobby.
	Um, it's not my job, but I um I've also been, you know, censored.
	I've I haven't been swatted, but I've had the police called on me, just all the all the stuff that the left loves to do with cancel culture.
	And um, yeah, I too, I too want to see a better world.
	Um, which is why I think this is a good conversation for um us to have.
	Cool.
	And then for people that don't know, uh, this is JewCast, just so people uh can get the bias out of the way.
	Yes, I am a Jew.
	Alan, not a Jew.
	We have had Owen on the shro on the sh on the shroud on the show before.
	And uh I'm famously uh I'm known for questioning Senator John Kerry, 2007.
	One of the questions I asked him was why didn't he impeach Bush uh before he could take us to war with Iran?
	So uh those are some of my priors.
	Check out the show if you like the debate.
	We had Owen Benjamin on.
	Anyway, this is gonna be great.
	I have a coin, an actual coin, so that we can uh figure out who's gonna go first.
	Uh Owen is gonna be heads, Misfit, you're gonna be tails.
	I'm gonna flip it.
	I promise I flipped it uh fairly.
	Tails, we're gonna give uh misfit first, and then um we're gonna do it three minutes uh for an introduction, two minutes for a rebuttal, and then one minute final blast off, and then we're gonna let them go without any moderation.
	I'm gonna throw in some questions later, and we might even take questions from the audience.
	So uh three minutes as soon as you start, Zach.
	Yeah, um, so Owen challenged me to a debate.
	I always accept debates for anybody that challenges me, as long as they're you know, I have a rule.
	If you're a real person, if you're not an anonymous account, you have a decent following, I I will accept any debate.
	So that's why I'm here.
	Um, and as far as what the debate topic is, I guess it's really the issue that he was referring to, where you know, talking about how um if you want peace, then it doesn't mean you hate Jews.
	Now I don't know Owen that well.
	I haven't watched his content.
	I don't know if he hates Jews.
	I don't I don't think automatically that people who question Israel or question Iran hate Jews.
	I know he works at InfoWars.
	I know there are people that are, you know, towing the line.
	I know they have people on there like Nick Fuentes, who uh I would say clearly has uh a bias towards Jews, but I think that a lot of people uh use their just asking questions to um as a shield for their their bias towards the Jewish people.
	Again, not necessarily saying that is Owen, but based off of his response to Laura Loomer, it's the same talking points that I hear.
	So uh that's why I gave him that rebuttal.
	So I'm gonna go through um a few things in this debate.
	Um, you know, I just wrote down some notes, like for instance, the threats to the US from Iran, um, which there's plenty of uh Kamini Kameini, whatever the fuck you want to call him.
	Uh, I hope they took him up.
	There was rumors of that.
	Um, his tweets calling America, you know, the great Satan.
	I'm assuming Owen is probably gonna jump in here with the uh the talking point of Iraq versus Iran, or it's like, oh, it's just like our it's just like Iraq with the weapons of mass destruction, even though it's not.
	And um, we're gonna try to really drill down on why I think that America being in a partnership with Israel, taking on radical Islamic terrorism and Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror, is a good thing.
	Doesn't necessarily mean I think we should have boots on the ground, but I think that we need to do it because we need to send a message to the world that the old ways of appeasing terrorists, leaving money on tarmac's and making deals are over.
	These people are fucking trying to infiltrate and take over every nation that they come into, and they do, I don't care what anybody says, wants to see every man, woman, and child in America either converted to Sharia law or fucking killed.
	It's their it's their doctrine.
	So that's my position, and uh, I'm happy to uh get into that with Owen, and thank you for having me.
	Cool.
	You had uh 18 seconds left.
	Owen, give me a sec to uh reset the timer.
	And uh I'm crapping uh go ahead, Owen.
	Well, I'll take a brief moment here, and then I can really just respond to some of the things that he laid out.
	I think generally speaking, our relationship with Israel has cost us foreign policy-wise.
	I think that it's more than fair for Americans to be critical of Israel considering that we subsidize its entire existence, we subsidize its health care, its education, and its military with our tax dollars, and then on top of that, we provide additional military support as well.
	And if you look at our foreign policy for the last 30 years, you could even argue 40.
	It's been a disaster in the Middle East, and I think that that's mostly because of the influence of Israel over our foreign policy.
	Now you could argue if this is just good intentions, the road to good intentions leading to hell, or you could argue that maybe Israel has something else going on with things like the Jeffrey Epstein client list, blackmailing our politicians and of course the influence of APAC over our Congress as well, which makes you wonder if we do go to war with Iran, will Congress even vote for it?
	Will it matter?
	Will they say anything, or will their APAC handlers tell them to shut up and let it happen?
	So I think it's time to re-examine our foreign policy.
	I think it's time for America to re-examine Israel's influence on our foreign policy.
	And I would say this is not opinion, this is just a matter of fact, and I don't know if anybody would disagree.
	But if you really care about Israel, or maybe more importantly, if you care about the people of Israel, then you have to realize that its current actions are putting them in a less safe position.
	And if you realize that America and its support of Israel is a necessity for Israel's existence, you must realize that in the current trend in 10 to 20 years, there won't be any support of Israel.
	Uh the boomers and the older generations that were propagandized into supporting Israel all this time, not to be morbid, but it's true, they'll be dead.
	And the younger generations who now you could argue are probably anti-Semitic, some of them, uh, they won't want any support of Israel.
	So if you care about Israel, Netanyahu is the regime change that you need.
	And if you care about Israel, then you better realize if you don't change tact soon, 10 to 20 years, there will be no support from the United States of America.
	And I'd hate to see what happens to Israel after that.
	Okay.
	You had a minute left on the clock, but uh uh Zach, you can go ahead with your two minutes.
	Um, two minutes to start what um just rebuttal, man.
	Okay.
	So oh, yeah.
	So uh one rebuttal on on Owen's um opening would be his uh his statement that the the US the I'm sorry that Israel controls America, I think he said through APAC.
	This is a talking point that I hear all the time.
	APAC they're somewhere around number 20th in lobbying or 20th in donations, 199th to 200th in lobbying.
	Um, we have so many other PACs from so many other countries, and I never hear the the actual um logical argument on how they control Congress, right?
	It's just it's just a theory, it's a conspiracy theory.
	But now I will also say I say this every time I make this point.
	I think all packs should be illegal.
	So I do think that Israel does have influence, but so does the National Association of Realtors, the pharmaceutical industry, the healthcare industry, all these places, right?
	And there's dozens of them, almost a dozen, uh two dozen before you get to Israel.
	We have the uh we have a APAC, right?
	The American Arab Political Action Committee.
	Nobody bitches about them.
	You have Qatar that you know comes through our college institutions, donates hundreds of billions of dollars over the past 20 years.
	Nobody talks about how that is influencing the youth of America to create these free Palestine protests.
	You'd have the influence of uh George Soros funded organizations and NGOs that are literally destroying our country.
	This is shit that we can see with our eyes, right?
	You can actually see these these things on the streets, but you don't hear people.
	I I don't know, I don't know if Owens covered this, but you don't hear people like Owen um outraged about about the influence Qatar has over our country and how it's destroying our nation.
	You only hear about APAC, and APAC is a political action committee, right?
	A political action committee run by Americans, it's American Israelis, and yeah, they're gonna have their interests in Israel, just like the Italian pack has their interests in Italy.
	Uh hang on to the rest of your thought there.
	We're gonna let Owen go ahead with his two minutes.
	Go ahead when you're ready, Owen.
	Yeah, so this is fun Israeli propaganda that he is falling for.
	What influence does Qatar have over the United States of America?
	Are you you want me to rebuttal?
	I mean, well, you can't.
	I just want to know.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Where is the Qatari influence?
	What's 200 billion dollars in college institutions doing in our country from Qatar?
	Okay, okay.
	So you're telling me that Qatar donates to our colleges?
	What does Israel give to our colleges?
	I'm not sure.
	I'm sure you're gonna tell me.
	Oh, wonderful.
	So you're telling me I could have a foreign country that actually gives me billions of dollars, I don't have to give billions of dollars to a foreign country.
	I kind of like that deal better, but that doesn't answer the question.
	Where is the influence?
	Well, I mean, like I just said, if you use common sense and deductive reasoning, you could see that Qatar, an enemy of America, the chance an enemy of America.
	You know, our most important air base is in Qatar.
	You know the base that we use to fuel Israel and deliver the military support is also in Qatar.
	Yeah, you know where Bagram Air Base was?
	Yeah, we have bases in in enemy territories.
	That that's not a that's like the Tucker Carlson talking about it.
	You realize the Qatar is a very strong ally of America, though.
	Like how they have strong ally of America, they're they're the number one sponsor of Hamas.
	They're sponsored.
	I thought it was Iran.
	No, no, no.
	They're it's I they're an Iranian proxy.
	No, oh, Qatar's an Iranian proxy, yeah.
	They don't have their own money, they don't have their own oil money, they don't have their own leadership.
	That's just clowns.
	That's just a clown comment.
	But I mean, hold on.
	Well, you're why do you think the Qatar is our ally?
	Who put this Qatar thought in your head?
	Well, I'm saying no, no, no.
	I what evidence do you have that they are an ally?
	Um, what evidence do you have that they're not?
	I can play this game all day long.
	They are a very strong ally.
	Hold on, they chant death to America, Qatar region.
	There, I mean, Qatari leadership has uh you know they chant death to America in Seattle too.
	Should we bomb Seattle?
	They chant death to America in Austin, Texas.
	Should I Bomb Austin too.
	Should I call Netanyahu to bomb Austin because somebody chants death to America?
	Where did the words hurt you?
	So that was uh two minutes.
	Uh uh, let's let's give Zach a full one minute to uh uh to shut it down, and then Owen, you can have a minute and then total free for all I just love I love how Owens Owen's debate tactic is a false equivalency off the rip.
	So see in Seattle, if you have some liberal that chants death to America, it's it's the same thing as these literal radical Islamic terrorist organizations that are continually showing a pattern of behavior of of by of animus towards this country.
	I mean, you just had a completely different uh radical terrorist group, but you had somebody in New Orleans that was rad or sorry in Texas that was radicalized, drive through New Orleans in January through a crowd of people with a fucking ISIS flag on the back of his car.
	I don't understand why you people don't take their their words seriously, like where did their words hurt you?
	Their words hurt you when they create action.
	The the the fucking Jewish uh the two Jewish and um the Israeli ambassadors at the Jewish uh museum that were just shot a couple of weeks ago when some dickhead was screaming free Palestine, those words turned into actions, and that's when they hurt us on American soil.
	I have never seen somebody that's saying that they're they're supportive of Israel shooting up uh people in America or blowing up people in America or doing anything that that hates America because they don't chant death to America, they chant death that they chant America's our ally.
	Go ahead, Owen, and then you guys can just uh have at it.
	Cool.
	Why do radical Islamists hate America?
	Let me ask you that.
	I don't care.
	Okay, so that just shows you how ignorant you are that you don't listen to.
	No, no, I just I that's great.
	I'm glad you responded like that.
	You don't care about team America, they hate us, correct?
	As long as they hate us, I don't care why.
	Okay, if they hate us, so you don't care why you don't want to reach root causes, and so that's why you lose debates.
	The reason why radical Islam hates us is because of our support for Israel.
	Israel gets away with everything in the Middle East, any regime change they want, any death spree murder count that they want, and they get away with it all because here comes Big Brother America to back them up.
	That's why they hate us.
	That's why they call us big Satan.
	If we want to back Israel and all of their wars and all of their death, then they wouldn't hate us, they'd have nothing to do with us.
	So why did they hate Israel?
	I just told you why they hate Israel.
	No, you said why they hate America.
	They hate America for supporting Israel.
	Why do they hate Israel?
	Oh, I don't know, maybe 50,000 dead Palestinians.
	That might be a good place to start, maybe regime change all over the world, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.
	I mean, I can go on Syria.
	In the past 50 years, how many terrorist attacks have happened in the name of radical Islam worldwide?
	Do you want to?
	I don't think you know the answer.
	I'll just tell you over 66,000.
	How many happened by Jews or Israel?
	Less than 50.
	So I'm saying I don't understand how you don't see the threat.
	You're making this about Jews.
	This isn't about Jews.
	Well, I correct.
	But I corrected.
	I said how many terrorist attacks have happened in the name of Israel, right?
	There's been underbating Jews and Islam, or are we debating Iran and Israel's war and us and us being involved in it?
	I just want to try to figure this out.
	Well, to get to the to get to the problem with Iran, you have to get to the like you just said, get to the root cause, which is now you care about Islam.
	Okay, radical Islam, right?
	Okay, radical Islam.
	The people who chant death to America, the people that call us a great Satan, they hate Israel because they're Jews.
	And yeah, you're right, they hate us because we support Israel.
	And they want there has been this is a 3,000-year-old holy war.
	Every single attack in that region that has happened since um, I don't know, like 1948, has been started by the Arabs, not the not the Israelis, right?
	Since the Arab since the Arab Israeli war, every single attack has been started by the Arabs.
	So if they're starting wars constantly and they're they're saying that they're showing you a pattern of behavior that they want war, they want to settle their differences with death and destruction, and then they chant death to America.
	That's why I said I don't care why they hate us because I know that they hate us, and I know how they solve problems with people they hate, you know, and and letting them enrich uh uranium to the point where they might have a nuclear weapon.
	A lot of people uh have this ignorant logical fallacy that they're not going to be able to fire a rocket from across this uh the ocean at us.
	They don't Need to they can make a bomb, either put it with one of their cells that are already here, or bring it over the border, and they can blow it up in one of our cities.
	So, no, I don't want Iran to have a fucking nuclear weapon.
	Okay, cool.
	Neither do I now notice everything you just said there has nothing to do with America.
	You mentioned a bunch of foreign countries on a foreign part of the earth that has nothing to do with America.
	I don't want to be involved in a 3,000-year-old holy war.
	I don't want to be involved with Iran.
	I don't want to be involved with any of these countries.
	That's the point.
	That's the problem.
	Our coupling to the Middle East, specifically through Israel, has been a disaster for us.
	It cost us nine trillion dollars minimum.
	Some estimates are 21 trillion dollars.
	When we went into Afghanistan and we went into Iraq, what did that have to do with Israel?
	What did Afghanistan have to do with Israel?
	Oh, you mean that regime change is not what Netanyahu's been calling for since the 90s?
	Well, hold on.
	What did that what did that particular regime change have to do with Israel?
	Like Israel, Israel wasn't Israel wasn't like at Benjamin Netanyahu has been lobbying Congress since 1982 for every regime change in the Middle East that we've now seen, and now Iran is next on the list.
	He's also said Pakistan, which is a nuclear power.
	Okay, so good luck with that if you want to have peace.
	So, yes, it has everything to do with Israel.
	Who attacked us on 9-11?
	It had nothing to do with Iraq, it had nothing to do with Afghanistan.
	These are Israeli regime wars.
	It's like if you guys stubbed your toe, you'd blame Israel.
	I really don't understand.
	Like the the all right, so George Bush, the but by the way, the Iraq war was a fucking disaster.
	It was a clusterfuck, and George Bush should be fucking in prison for it.
	So we're not you're not gonna find any disagreement with me.
	I know you're agreeing with me.
	Thank you.
	I will because it's a completely different situation.
	You have George Bush, the corrupt cunt who wanted to do uh do a crazy like I guess service to his fat homage to his father by by lying and going in there and talking about weapons of mass destruction that weren't there and putting us into that region for for 20 years, thousands dead.
	You're not gonna find any argument with me.
	That's not what this you just want to do it all again.
	Cool.
	That's not well, it's not the same thing, first of all.
	Let's hope not it will be if we get involved on the ground, 100%.
	It will be guaranteed.
	Why would we even need to get involved with boots on the ground?
	That's Israel's already asking for it.
	What are you talking about?
	Netanyahu's already asking us to get involved.
	He's already asking for bus uh bunker busters and everything.
	We're already sending, we're already sending ships over there.
	Bunker busters aren't boots, they're bombs.
	Um, okay, cool.
	Because that's how that's how they'll view it.
	It's just our bombs, and then they won't want to target us.
	Nice logic.
	I understand what you're saying.
	But look here, the Iraq war, right?
	This was a US-led coalition of UK, Australia, like the then it had nothing to do with Israel, right?
	That's true.
	That's right.
	Israel didn't go boots on the ground, it was all us.
	Israel didn't even help us, they didn't even have a single boot on the ground.
	Well, hold on, but that was put together because Saddam Hussein was an evil cunt over there, and I think here we go.
	So what?
	So what?
	Hold on again, right?
	But that war, right?
	Was just an evil dictator that they wanted a regime change on right now.
	What we have is we have Khamenei who's making threats to the United States.
	We have terror attacks already happening in the name of Islam in America, and we have tensions boiling up because they they they want to take out Western civilization.
	They like this.
	This is what you this is what I don't think that you guys understand.
	You have a September 10th mentality of this whole thing where you're just like, not my not my country, not my problem.
	And it takes a September 11th for people like you to wake up and go, fuck maybe that guy misfit was right, and we should have paid more attention to it.
	I'm not saying that we need to go and all incursion boots on the ground war.
	What I am saying is I think America should give Israel the supplies they need to take out they've got enough to take out the leadership.
	Yeah, no, I'm not saying, and by the way, I don't even say when I said give, I should have rephrased that.
	Let me ask you a basic question.
	Yeah, you've got a lot of time.
	Let me ask you a basic question.
	Do you think regime change in Iran will lead to peace?
	I hope so, but I don't know.
	And what is history tell us?
	What does history tell us?
	Well, what what common sense tells us is leaving well enough alone but I asked you what history tells us?
	History history tells us that regime change gets replaced by other bad regimes.
	Okay, so so so we agree that your solution let me ask you this.
	Do you do you believe the official September 11th narrative?
	I don't know, man.
	I think the fucking basing your entire ideology and argument off of something you don't even know if you believe is true.
	What do you mean what you're telling me?
	What do you mean by that?
	Because you're gonna you're gonna jump to September 11th and Jeffrey Epstein.
	Was September 11th shady?
	Yes.
	Did Tower 7 blow up by itself?
	No.
	Was did the Jews do it?
	Also, no.
	Like that's the thing.
	You guys will not accept any other answer.
	You're the one you're the one that tried to pin my ideology on September 11th.
	No, and you're saying you don't even believe it's an analogy for the if I could step in for just a second.
	Owen's question was the same question that popped in my head when you said uh he has a September 10th mentality.
	Who do you think was responsible for September 11th?
	It's fucking probably a combination of the CIA working with uh with some shady people.
	So there's probably some truth to to the conspiracy theories, but the notion that Israel and Masad worked together and and made uh Osama bin Laden do it.
	No, Osama Bin Laden wanted to blow up the twin towers, and he blew up the twin towers.
	Like, so Osama bin Laden did it.
	Now you guys want to go into the the into the conspiracy theory.
	You you're saying Osama bin Laden did not blow up the the twin towers.
	Oh, totally, dude.
	Totally.
	Osama bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan.
	Yeah, it wasn't the entire operation.
	That's totally what happened.
	Osama bin Laden, who was a CIA asset.
	So the hijackers were the highest weren't 9 11 9 11 was an inside job.
	Who knows all the different parties responsible?
	It's probably just like the assassination of JFK.
	It was probably a bunch of different parties that have interests in it, and it did exactly what it was intended to do with you to get you to support regime change in the Middle East, to get you to support never-ending wars in the Middle East, and you sit here and you admit it was all a bad idea, and yet you're well, you're ready and willing to jump into another one as if you're denying your own ideology and your own belief system.
	You're putting words in my mouth, right?
	Osama bin Laden blew up the twin towers, right?
	Now you do believe the official narrative, yes.
	But I I believe the official the official narrative is the CIA was involved in a bunch of shady shit, including regime changes and getting and metal on a second, hold on.
	Time out, time out.
	Do you think planes took down the twin towers?
	Yes, the planes took down the twin towers.
	You know how you know how I know that?
	Oh, how old do you?
	How old are you, own?
	I'm 35.
	You're 35.
	I'm I'm 40, so I'm five years older than you.
	I think you're a little too young to remember it, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
	I don't need to remember it.
	I can go look at video tape, it's clearly a controlled demolition.
	I don't have I don't have propaganda brain.
	I have I have reasonable logical thinking brain.
	I know people and I can watch videos and see a controlled demolition.
	I know clearly there were explosives in all three of those buildings, and that's why they fell straight down like a controlled demolition.
	So I know people that were accept that reality with your own eyes, then you have propaganda brain, and anything else you say should be completely discounted because you cannot think for yourself.
	You're going you're going off of videotape.
	I'm going off of actual memory, right?
	I know people who were in New York City that watched planes fly into the fucking buildings, dude.
	Did I ever deny that they flew into the building?
	Talk about putting words in the mouth.
	Did I ever deny that you just said, Do I think planes took out the twin towers?
	Yeah, they didn't.
	Demolition did.
	Well planes flew into the buildings, that was a distraction.
	Okay, so planes flew into the buildings, and then you're saying that there was a controlled demolition after, and it was all pre-planned, right?
	100%.
	Okay.
	While while there may be some truth to the tower seven, um uh controlled demolition.
	Maybe hold on, maybe hold on.
	Bro, I don't speak in absolutes unless I can prove it, and you can't fucking dude.
	It's literally a building, and then it's a controlled demolition.
	It looks like what other proof do you need?
	It looks it looks like you need like do you want the building to like send you a little letter like, hey, somebody blew me up?
	Like, what else do you think?
	This is this is the difference between critical thinkers and conspiracy theorists.
	I don't say I don't speak in absolutes unless I can prove it.
	It looks like a controlled demolition in tower seven, all right.
	That's what I'm glad we can sacrifice that.
	Go ahead.
	Just uh if I could cut in real quick, Alan was raising his hand.
	I think he has a pertinent question.
	Uh Alan, go ahead.
	Oh sorry, I mean I muted myself.
	Uh I'm I'm gonna be 54 soon, and I watched it, so yeah.
	uh I I can I I just for the sake of argument.
	I have never ever ever seen anybody but you can't deny that it's you can't deny that it's a controlled implosion.
	I mean, none of them okay.
	So they fall they fall right in on their footprint, man.
	Like these are these are massive structures, right?
	Yeah, massive, massive structures, and they fall directly on their imprint after getting struck by something on one of the sides.
	I have a theory on that.
	If they would have fallen from the planes, there would have been a fall towards the towards the impact side of the plane, right?
	So they're falling straight down, falling straight down.
	That's a controlled thing.
	I think that I I have a theory on that, and you guys can you know either scoff at it or not.
	But I have a theory that there is there is controlled demolition pre-uh was pre-made into the structure in case there was ever anything that would happen, and they blew it up because they figured if it falls down, it's gonna take out more.
	That's that's exactly what Larry Silverstein said uh afterwards.
	Lucky Larry, he said, Yeah, you know, it was just such terrible loss of life.
	So we we made the decision to pull the building and we it makes sense, man.
	But you know, like I said, it totally makes sense.
	Well, it makes a lot of sitting in a building that pedestrians are gonna totally.
	It makes a lot well, it it makes a lot more sense than putting control demolitions into a building that has hundreds of thousands of people in it without anybody knowing.
	No, it doesn't make any sense at all because they did it for what reason?
	Again, trillions of dollars in the Middle East, multiple regime changes in the Middle East.
	That's why they did it.
	And guess what?
	Now they got a nice little convenient spy grid to spy on everything you do here too and fill you up at the airport.
	Can I ask you something?
	How how would they get all of that controlled demolition explosive into the building without anybody knowing it?
	Unless it was already there.
	I don't know, but that's much more believable that it was already there and just waiting to be exploded, just explosives, just thousands of explosives in the trade center every day when pedestrians are walking around.
	But but hold on a second, we're we're getting a little off track here.
	I'd like to get back to the subject at hand, okay?
	And I think that we need to focus on the issue, which is the relation between the United States of America and Israel.
	That's the debate.
	Again, I if if Israel wants to attack Iran and take out what they claim is their nuclear capability, which I think is a lie, they've been telling us since 1985 that Iran was moments away from a nuke and it's never happened.
	I think Israel is blowing up the evidence right now because they know it's not they know they know it's not true, and Israel, which you could argue has the best intelligence network in the world, so good that they can penetrate Hamas and give them pagers to blow them up, so good that they can penetrate Iran, build a drone base, and do targeted strikes on military leaders, but they can't give us any evidence, not a single scintilla of evidence of any proof of nukes, even though they've been telling us since 1985.
	I don't believe that for one single second.
	It is the same thing as Iraq, they just switched it to Iran, they switched weapons of mass destruction to nukes, they switched Saddam to Khamini, it's the exact same playbook, and because people like you still fall for it, they're going to do it again.
	Yeah, I'm not falling for anything.
	Um what I'm saying is that they're if if Iran has been close to building a nuke for for this many years, right?
	It's 40.
	I yeah, okay.
	Well, it's because they've been trying to build a nuke for this long and they're fucking like I don't know, they're just bad at it.
	Okay, so they can't build a nuke.
	So then what are we doing?
	So if they can't build a nuke, then what are we doing?
	All right, so they have they have um nuclear facilities with nuclear enrichment, right?
	And it's basically like okay, let me let me put it to you this way.
	All right, if somebody has all of the materials in their house to build a bomb in their house, right?
	And let's say they just let's say they just start saying a bunch of shit like, you know what?
	I want to blow up that, I want to blow up I don't know, my neighbor's house, right?
	Like they're tweeting about it, they're calling their neighbor the great Satan, and they got all the materials that they can to build a bomb in their house.
	The neighbor might be inclined to go call the cops and be like, I don't think they should have the the materials to build that bomb because they seem a little crazy, and I I'm afraid they're gonna blow up my fucking house, right?
	And that's all that I think that I think that most logical people are saying is I don't care if it takes them 20 years or 20 minutes, I don't want them to have the capability to build the fucking thing.
	So, how much what do you have to enrich uranium to get a nuclear weapon?
	Like they're saying, do you know?
	Um, no, not off the top of my head.
	So it's probably about 60 percent.
	Give or take 60 percent.
	You could maybe start getting it at 30 percent at the lowest.
	Now, when they blew up the the the allegedly when they blew up the uranium urich enrichment facilities, Israel said that there was no fallout, there was no nuclear fallout.
	Do you realize that's literally impossible to be at 30 percent, especially 60 percent and have no nuclear fallout after blowing up a facility?
	That's literally impossible.
	So, I guess they had nothing, or is Israel lying?
	Okay, so but Khamenei has come out and said and tweeted that he's like, if uh if America can have a nuclear weapon, why can't we?
	Okay, well, you didn't answer the question, but I I'm okay with that logic.
	Why does Israel get nukes and the Samson option, but Iran doesn't?
	How do you think Iran feels about that?
	They've shown a pattern of behavior that they're a responsible nation that can have news.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Don't play the because Iran doesn't care.
	Do you think do you think Iran falls for that and says, oh, Israel's so much better than us, they can have nukes.
	Making a lot making a logical fallacy and like a false equivalency for Israel and Iran is a ridiculous statement.
	It's like, why can Israel have it white but not Iran?
	Why can we have nukes but not Iran?
	Right?
	It's why why is it that America can have nukes?
	You don't, you don't you don't think that's a fair question?
	I think it's a stupid question to say that the people who literally chant death to America and the ideology that is.
	So straw man me here, but Iran looks at Israel that hates their guts, wants regime change, and they have nukes.
	Do you think Iran is gonna sit there and say fine, we will never have nukes?
	Of course not.
	Sure.
	I understand I understand that that Iran wants nukes, right?
	And I think that we're both in agreement that they shouldn't have them.
	So the the argument here is you don't think that they can, so you don't think that anything should be done, right?
	And what's your evidence of that?
	What's your evidence that they have nukes?
	Because they keep on fucking telling us that they're enriching uranium.
	They're saying it.
	It's not like they say they want nuclear power for their country.
	Now, you may not believe that, but again, if you believe they're enriching uranium, if you believe they're enriching uranium, yeah, at least 30 to 60 percent, then there would be nuclear fallout when they bombed the enrichment facilities, and they claim there is none.
	So where is it?
	The country that's filled with oil wants to switch to nuclear power, right?
	It's it's not why wouldn't they?
	Everybody should uh they want to switch to nuclear power, even though it would be more costly.
	If I could step in just a second, uh move the debate along a little bit.
	This debate is clearly about America's interest, the cost benefit.
	Why should America go to war?
	Uh, Zek, could you just tell us what do you think the cost would be to America in going to war?
	And what do you think the expense would be?
	What do you think we would have to do?
	Are we how many troops on the ground?
	This is what weaponry are we giving, and then what's the cost to America, both in money and in terms of American lives?
	What are you willing to sacrifice?
	This is a great question, and I've been very clear about this.
	And I think I might surprise Owen here, right?
	I don't want a single American soldier's boot to touch the ground in Iran.
	All right.
	I don't want their, I don't want them to touch ground in Israel either.
	And they don't need us to, right?
	Now let's start off if I can, real quick, with the benefits of our relationship with Israel up until this point, right?
	First of all, you have all these people that say, Oh, the the 350 billion dollars in foreign aid.
	Um, it's like, okay, the in direct spending, the over the over an 11-year period, there was a net positive for America based on it that offset our foreign aid to Israel of about a billion dollars a year, right?
	Not a lot, but that's enough.
	And then we have um the strategic intelligence sharing operations, we have all this other all this other stuff that we can go into, but let's just go from a selfish monetary capitalist fucking viewpoint.
	We make money off of our relationship is with Israel because we sell them weapons.
	Now, what do I want us to do?
	That's why they call us the great Satan.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	So I want us to sell Israel weapons to win their war, but I do think that we have a vested interest in making sure that Iran under its current leadership, right?
	The IRGC, the the the Iranian leadership right now is an Evil regime that hates Israel and hates America.
	Now, the solution that Owen has is uh I don't care because they'll just be replaced by somebody else and they they will also hate America.
	Okay, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
	But right now, what we have in front of us is a terrorist regime, the number one state sponsor of terrorism around the world.
	And as I stated in the past 50 years, we have over 66,000 um terrorist attacks from this this ideology.
	And I think that it's I think that it's pertinent to get get in front of that and go, okay, these people are are bad news.
	We should at least stop these people, and then yeah, sure.
	If they if they have a regime change and it's just as bad, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
	But at least right now we need to stop these people from doing the bad things that they they clearly want to do and have eluded to.
	But as far so to answer your question, sorry for that long-winded to answer your question.
	The real the cost to America, I think would be low because we would be selling weapons, and I think that the it wouldn't be like Ukraine, you just give them money.
	I want us to sell them weapons, and I want us to provide air support and any type of aerial support, as long as it doesn't put an American soldier's life in danger.
	That's what that's what I think it should be.
	And you don't think that would have any blowback from the people that you claim hate America and want to kill Americans?
	What are they gonna do?
	Oh, okay, perfect.
	So then so then we don't need to get involved then.
	No, but I'm saying if you won't do anything either way, beautiful.
	I'm glad that we reached that conclusion.
	But if we go, if we go bomb their fucking nuclear facilities, what are they gonna do?
	Like, tell me.
	I don't know, ask Israel what capability what they're gonna do.
	Why don't you ask the people that are living in bomb shelters right now?
	They just fired, they just fired like a barrage on Israel, and there was only 11 casualties.
	So according to what you don't know that there was 11.
	That's what the reports are.
	I mean, okay, great.
	So that's so you're okay with 11 people dying.
	No, I'm not okay with it.
	I'm saying you justified it.
	You said it's good.
	I'm saying that if Iran sh fires all of their artillery at a country this uh a country the size of New Jersey and can only take out 11 people.
	What are we worried about?
	We should be able to I agree.
	I agree.
	We shouldn't be worried about Iran.
	Thank you.
	Now you see it my way.
	Exactly.
	We shouldn't be worried about Iran, it shouldn't be our issue.
	I'm glad that we've reached this conclusion.
	But see, why don't you seem to care about the Israeli people?
	They're living in bunkers right now because of what Netanyahu did in Iran they're literally living in bunkers with air raid sirens going off.
	Is that the life you want for Israel?
	They're they're not living in bunkers.
	I know plenty of people in Israel.
	My friend was in his apartment while they were going off.
	They move to the shelters temporarily, then they go right back to their apartment.
	Great life, and you know what?
	That's the funny thing.
	You say that like it doesn't prove my point.
	They're constantly having to move to shelters and air air raid sirens going off because they are constantly being attacked by I by proxy, Iran, right?
	Iran is constantly trying to kill Israel.
	Does nothing, Israel does nothing.
	You know, the state of Israel has killed more people in the Middle East than any other country in the Middle East in the last 50 years.
	Are you even getting to that logic?
	Where what's that?
	Where's your source?
	Uh well, you've got minimum 50,000 in Palestine, maybe a hundred.
	You're taking the numbers from the mention the wars in Syria, the wars in Jordan, the wars in Lebanon, the war.
	How are they responsible for the war in Syria or the war in Jordan?
	What are you talking about?
	They just got the regime change they wanted.
	Now they have an Israel friendly president who's willing to involve in their war in Iran.
	Oh, so tens of thousands of people died in the process.
	Again, you stub your toe, you'd blame Israel.
	Israel's direct.
	We're having a conversation here, dude.
	Israel's direct conflict is with Hamas and the Palestinians.
	Okay, that's the only that's the only conflict that you can see the death.
	They just struck Iran, they've struck Jordan.
	Well, yeah, in our Lebanon.
	Give me a break, dude.
	Who do you live in?
	Lebanon, Jordan, and the surrounding areas are all firing rockets into Israel, right?
	They that's why they're not.
	Yeah, so it looks like Israeli leadership does a great job with peace, doesn't it?
	Are you saying that they shouldn't fire back when when surrounding is fire?
	I'm saying I don't want anything to do with any of these psychotics.
	They're all psychotics, all of them.
	They all they do is fight all the damn time.
	They're always firing rockets at one another.
	I want nothing to do with them.
	It's time to get out of there.
	All they know is death and chaos and destruction, and now it's coming to our country.
	Now it's coming to our homeland, and yes, every time we get involved in another Israeli war, the threat against the United States ramps up.
	I want nothing to do with any of it.
	Any of it, yeah.
	That's a coward approach, man.
	It really is it's an America first approach, is what it is.
	Why don't you go to Israel coward?
	Oh, I'm a coward.
	Go sign up for the IDF tough guy.
	Don't be like Caitlin Jenner.
	At least Caitlin Jenner dresses up like a woman and goes over to Israel with a sport.
	Why don't you go over there, buddy?
	Tough guy?
	Go off and come over there and fight.
	Put on the fatigues.
	Go fight, tough guy.
	You're so tough.
	You're just soft, bro.
	You just like that America, you're like, I don't want to, I don't want us to get into a war because I'm scared.
	We won't be America used to be feared and respected around the world.
	Why do you why do you think so little of America and our military that we would be scared?
	I'm the one that thinks little of it.
	You're the one that wants to use it for foreign entanglements, but I think I want to use it.
	How many more Americans do you want to die in the Middle East?
	How many more?
	I just told you none.
	Okay, so then we don't get involved.
	Do you get that or not?
	What do you mean?
	Why?
	Why wouldn't we?
	They chant death to America.
	So you do want America involved.
	You can't make up your mind, bro.
	How many?
	How many?
	How many attacks in the name of Islam have there been on American soil this year?
	Just the just the big ones.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so I mean, yeah, it is more than that.
	But I mean, we just go with the ones that on the headlines.
	You just had the guy that was like holding two malt off cocktails and fucking throwing them at Jews in uh an illegal aim, an illegal alien who came in here because of a bad open border policy.
	And what was his ideology?
	His ideology was radical Islamic terrorism, right?
	Okay, you had what's your point?
	You had the um in the new orleans, you had the guy that strapped the ISIS what is your point?
	What does this have to do with the Iran war?
	This is about that ideology and how they want to come to America.
	Oh, yeah.
	How many Muslims are there on the planet?
	Billions.
	Yeah, you think they all want to kill Americans?
	Not all of them.
	Thank you.
	That's good.
	All right, so I'm glad you admit that.
	That's a good point.
	If it's 10, if it's 10 percent, if it's only 10 percent, which it's more, it's a lot more.
	But if it's only 10, that's 200 million.
	That's 200 million people that want to be able to do that.
	You're distracting.
	I'm not I'm not denying that Islam is not compatible with the West, and I don't like the fact that we've imported all of these radical jihadis.
	Do you know why they came here?
	Because we blew the hell out of their countries, dude.
	Because we got involved with Israel and we blew the hell out of their countries, and now they're coming here.
	That's why they're here because they've been relocated because we destroyed their country.
	Why did they go?
	Why do they go to Europe then and do the same thing?
	Why why is it always our fault and Israel's fault?
	Everywhere they go.
	So you look at you look at Germany, you look at the rape statistics that have gone through the roof.
	You look at the UK, you look at the rape gangs and the fucking stabbings that are happening.
	You look at Russia.
	Yeah, why are they there?
	You look why are they there?
	Look at Russia with the bottom, Russia's like Russia's like buddy buddy with Iran, but they still go over there and they fucking shoot up a fucking concert hall, dude.
	You don't get it.
	The Iran is the number one Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism, and we have terrorists here because Iran is creating more terrorists, and we should stop Iran from creating fucking terrorists.
	I don't understand why you don't see the fucking why are they here?
	What what what Iran terrorists are?
	It must be our fault, right?
	It's always our fault and Israel's fault.
	It's never the actual fucking Muslims who do terrorist shit's fault.
	It's always straw man arguments.
	I have not I've not argument.
	No, I've not said any of those things.
	We had bad open border policy that brought radical Islamic in here.
	There's probably terror cells in here, and because of the wars in the Middle East, radical jihadists that hate us because we blew up their homes and relocated them that were never compatible with the West, now live in Europe and now live in the United States of America.
	If their homes won't blurn up blown up, they wouldn't be here.
	When there's nobody else over there intervening, they blow up each other, they shoot each other.
	I am I want nothing to do with it.
	Thank you.
	Amen.
	Stop it.
	It's like cancer that's gonna spread whether you get out of spread, dude.
	You don't need to let it all in.
	We don't have to do with any of it.
	We can totally decouple and isolate no decoupling and isolationism.
	It sounds like here comes the next one.
	Here comes the next talking point.
	Let's go.
	Sounds really great on paper, but when you when you come when you just let your enemies just go run around and fucking do their own thing and you go, I'm out of it.
	They start conspiring against you.
	They grow and they fucking they oh, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, then they come over here.
	That's exactly how it is.
	Yeah, that's exactly how it is.
	Yeah, we we get less involvement in the region, and then they're more in climate.
	Look what happened with good logic.
	Hitler was an isolation.
	How did that work out?
	They fucking regroup and he fucking decreated.
	I was wondering how long it would take to get to the to the Holocaust World War II.
	It actually took longer than I thought.
	Good job.
	It only took you 45 minutes.
	Okay.
	So what's your solution?
	Your solution is right, get out of the get out of the Middle East, come to America, strengthen our border, and just hope for the best.
	Is that your solution?
	Hope for the best.
	What does that even mean?
	Hope for the best.
	We already have terror cells here.
	Okay.
	So support them all.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's like I said, you're you're just you're just saying words that, like, oh, yeah, in this utopian scenario, which doesn't actually work pragmatically in reality.
	You're saying, okay, get everybody out of there, right?
	By the way, that would also kill our trade, our resources, and all the fucking relationships that we built over the past, I don't know, 50 years.
	No, but let's just let's just yeah, let's just get out of there.
	Let's just cut that off.
	And then we wait, wait, wait.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	I because I I I'm I'm old and I just want to check on something.
	You said if we would get all the all the people out of here would kill our economy.
	It wouldn't kill our economy, but I'm saying we have trade relations with a bunch of nations over there.
	And we like like you said, we have uh we have a military bases over there, we have a lot of structures that we've got.
	I'm just gonna point this out because then here's the thing because I'm different, but I'm just gonna point this out.
	I'm America only.
	Meaning, like if they don't if it doesn't actually directly serve us, benefit us in some way.
	I couldn't give a fuck less about it.
	Yeah, but I will say this that like we don't need anybody, we're the largest economy in the world.
	It's a privilege to do to do business with us, right?
	Yeah, like it's it's if if we close our if we just became complete isolationists, we could in about a year just walk around the planet and take over the countries that collapsed because if they don't have our trade, many countries would just collapse.
	Shit, we could we could just cut cut Canada off and and wheel our way up back up there in about six months.
	Yeah, it sounds like we are the largest, we are the largest economy in the world with the largest military.
	People should be sucking our dick, and we have all the resources in the world, and we have every resource we could ever need.
	Okay, so you said uh you're America only, and then you made a statement saying you're America first, right?
	Where it's like no, no, I'm America only.
	So I'm America.
	I'm I'm not debating you.
	I just want to I just want a point of clarification.
	Okay, you know, I'm America only, I'll own that.
	I'm America only.
	So I uh what I am is I'm gonna I'm America first, right?
	Where I want I want any relationship we have with any other nation to benefit America, right?
	And how does Israel benefit us?
	I just told you we have we have direct um direct with direct spending and trade, we make more money than we do giving them aid.
	Yes, we do.
	Then let's cut off the aid, and let's cut off the aid.
	I want no more aid.
	Yeah, but okay, so I get it.
	You I don't like aid either, but okay, so great.
	So no more foreign aid for Israel.
	Beautiful, we agree with that.
	But the aid is not for anybody.
	The aid, I agree too.
	We can we can all agree on that, but that's not our policy, and I'm not I don't think we're gonna get the any administration to change it because that's that's the problem.
	No, it's a we can agree there.
	We can a hundred percent agree there, right?
	Like I said, I don't like packs, I don't like aid, I don't like giving money to anybody.
	I don't think we should.
	But if you ask, if you ask me a simple question, I'm gonna give you a simple answer.
	What is the benefit?
	The money that we get in trade and direct spending does outweigh the money that we give in aid, so that's a net positive for America.
	So our relationship with them just from a pure monetary standpoint only is a net positive.
	Just are you including the money that we give them and then they buy American planes and and yeah, I've done I've run the numbers, I did a video.
	I did a video on this.
	It's a subsidized network.
	We send them the money and they just send it back, they just basically launder it.
	It's not really.
	I've done the I've done a video on this, and I broke it down uh a long time like months ago.
	But if you really break down the numbers, so your argument, your argument is that America is financially stabilized by Israel.
	No, what I'm saying is that if you have a if you have a partnership, like if you have a partnership with anybody, just like in in regular business, right?
	If you're trading product and they're buying product from you, or and and you're let's say giving them discounts, right?
	So let's call the discounts foreign aid, right?
	Like you give somebody a coupon code or something like that, and then the amount of money that they bring in through the through business, there's a net positive at the end of it.
	You look at the net gain, and we have a net gain based on our relationship with Israel.
	In the past, uh, I think it they they did it for 11 years.
	I broke down all these figures.
	Well, I don't know where you got your fingers.
	The U.S. trade deficit with Israel is 7.4 billion, and that's on top of the aid we send them.
	So we're looking at about a 10 billion deficit with Israel.
	So it doesn't sound like a good trading partner, actually.
	Now now look at direct spending.
	In direct spending, how much do we make?
	I think it was 11 million and or sorry, 11 billion.
	Sorry, 11 billion.
	So, like I told you at the beginning of this, you just you just got the number right.
	It's 10 billion out, 11 billion in, which is deficit adds all of this thing.
	That's an aggregate.
	We are at a deficit with Israel, and that's not even counting the foreign aid.
	So when we count the foreign aid, we're at least 10 billion dollars, maybe 20 in the hole every year to Israel.
	Bilateral trade was bilateral trade was 50 billion annually in recent years.
	You have um other like I said, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to let it be.
	But this is good.
	We're off the we're off base again.
	This has nothing to do with the war in Iran.
	I know you asked me.
	Nothing to do with you asked me a question.
	What's the benefit of being Israel's ally?
	And I just told you, and we we can't here's the realization.
	Here's the realization that everybody's coming to, and maybe you'll get there, maybe you won't.
	I don't know.
	The cost benefit of our relationship with Israel is clearly a cost.
	The the costs clearly outweigh the benefits, it's not even close.
	They make the United States less safe.
	We don't even do good trade with them, they don't even give us their intelligence.
	This whole, oh, we share intelligence.
	The intelligence is used against us, it's not used for us, it's used against us.
	And Israel stood down intelligence on September 11th, just like they stood down intelligence on October 7th.
	So, no, it is not a benefit, it is a cost to the American people, and I'm sick and damn tired of paying it.
	And so is everybody else.
	Yeah, you're you're making a claim that you don't have any facts to back up.
	I mean, you're just saying words, right?
	Like there's there's the medical research, there's the um innovation and tech, there's the innovation.
	Yeah, we can, but but there is a benefit.
	That's damn right we could.
	We can, like you said, right?
	Have this utopia of America only where we're literally shut our doors and just go, all right.
	Now we're gonna get everybody out, and we're gonna go to the water.
	You're the one saying that you're the one saying I'm talking about America only.
	I am.
	I would I would gladly be in isolation.
	I'm not saying it's the best policy, but yeah, I gladly would be an isolationist.
	I'm talking specifically with Israel.
	This relationship has hurt us greatly.
	It's hurt our foreign policy, it's hurt our relationship with many of the countries Muslim world, and it's hurt us on the global stage because now people think we're evil because we're allied with Israel that just keeps murdering their way through the Middle East.
	Yeah, they don't murder.
	That's the thing.
	It's yeah, you're right.
	You're right.
	Always if they're always being they're literally surrounded on all sides by people who want to kill them.
	And well, whose fault is that?
	It's not my fault.
	It's the people who try to kill them.
	That's the thing.
	You keep on trying to blame the problem.
	If you say my problem, okay.
	But look, here's here's the deal.
	The the outrage that I see from a lot of people on your side, I don't see in in regards to Canada, right?
	Canada.
	I'm not sure like I am Israel.
	We are nobody because of my money going to Canada.
	There's no countries that are like, oh my gosh, you're supporting Canada, I hate you, I'm gonna blow you up.
	That's only with Israel.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But Canada, you you would you agree that we are literally propping up can Canada, right?
	Sure, yeah, cut them off.
	So, like billions of billions of dollars of American taxpayers' money goes to making sure that stays a country, yeah.
	Cut them off.
	But you don't yeah, now you're saying in response to me, but I should see on your page and others Canada, Canada, Canada.
	But I see Israel, Israel, Israel, and now you're saying that the reason is haven't noticed it's like the biggest topic right now, so yeah, I'm talking about it.
	Yeah, but I'm saying if you if you're who's Canada, hold on a second.
	Who is Canada trying to get us to go to war with?
	Well, I mean, there's a really good argument to be made that Canada's China, China.
	I there's an argument to be made.
	There's an argument to be made.
	Hold on.
	Canada wants us to go to war.
	Hold on, can I if I could finish, if I could finish.
	I I hate when people do the laughy thing without listening to the whole whole comment.
	Look, can the China the fentanyl that's coming into this country is being facilitated through Canada, right?
	Canada and and China together in their partnership are killing tens, if not hundreds of thousands of American citizens.
	Israel isn't right, they're directly killing our fucking babies, and we don't have any outrage over it.
	So who's getting us into a war?
	If we get into a war with China because Donald Trump's finally putting his foot down on this fentanyl crisis, Canada is is one of the people that facilitated it.
	So are they trying to get us into a war?
	No, but are they gonna be responsible?
	Partially, sure.
	Yeah, I would say so.
	My brother died of a fentanyl overdose, by the way.
	This means a lot to me, and I talk about it.
	But I mean you know what?
	We should probably focus more on our borders and stopping fentanyl than securing Israel's borders, then huh?
	Well, I don't like I said, you you say we do that, but I don't think we do.
	I think that we sell a lot of weapons to them, and I think that we have a good relationship provided them with the iron dome.
	Well, they're they they made the iron dome, but we we helped fund it, and we're gonna be benefiting from that technology to protect our own borders.
	Great.
	That's how that's how a partial that's nice.
	Now that now, because of our relationship with Israel, people want to strike us, so now we need a dome.
	Great foreign country.
	People are gonna want to strike us, people are gonna want to strike us regardless of Israel.
	Israel is a country.
	Really, when does it happen?
	When have we been Israel is a country the size of New Jersey, bro?
	And they control our Congress.
	If you are sick of it, and no, they don't, but you think that you think that that little dot on the map is responsible for all the world's problems.
	I heard that fucking when did I say that?
	No, no, no.
	I'm saying, well, I'm asking you.
	Do you think that the Israel is responsible for all the conflicts in the Middle East or a lot of the conflicts in the Middle East?
	Absolutely, that's true.
	Okay, so a country the size of New Jersey, right?
	That little dot is responsible for all that region going around killing all the time.
	Yeah, you're not helping, you're not helping your argument here.
	You're hurting it.
	It's an it's a nonsense argument.
	It would be like saying Thailand, why don't you why don't you tell that to Israel's neighbors and see what they say?
	That that is a the most retarded statement.
	It's kind of like saying, like, oh, there would be there would be no trans people without Thailand because they have lady boys.
	It's fucking stupid, it's a dumb argument, right?
	Israel is defending itself from people that want to kill them because there's a 3,000-year-old holy war there, right?
	That's why and I want nothing to do with it.
	That's cool.
	You don't have to have anything to do with it, but really because you even said it's on our soil now.
	Is it on our soil?
	Uh based on the Arab hatred for America that's gonna exist with so it is on our soil, they're gonna hate us with or without Israel.
	Exactly.
	Oh, okay.
	In fact, in fact, so it is on our soil, and it and it and so the 3,000-year-old holy war is now on our soil because of our involvement in the Middle East.
	Well, no, it's because we're a Christian nation, it's not because our involved it's because we're a Christian, it's a hundred percent because we're Christian really.
	How long have we been a Christian nation?
	Islam is our foundation.
	How long have we been a Christian nation since our founding?
	Okay, and when did Islamic terror start hitting America?
	They've there's been terror attacks in in America from Islam for the past I don't know, fucking 60 years, but that's only because they finally figured out how to get over and when when was Israel founded?
	I don't know.
	I mean, beautiful.
	It's amazing how that math adds up.
	Thank you.
	Well, when you well, when you have more technology and more resources to get over across the ocean and do shit, yeah, there's there's more ways to get over here.
	I mean, bro, like you're not understanding what I'm saying.
	These people, right?
	They hate you.
	It's a convert or kill death, it's a convert or kill death cult, and they and they will spread and they will go to any fucking nation that is not Islam and not Sharia law and try to make it Islam and try to make it Sharia law, and and your ignorance of thinking that Israel is once again.
	So so what?
	What does that have to do with us being involved with Israel?
	Israel, like I said, Israel's our relationship with Israel is just an allyship based off a mutually beneficial relationship that that's gentlemen, gentlemen.
	Hang on.
	So is it's the premise that you know it's no matter what, all Muslims bad?
	Not all Muslims, all radical Islamists.
	Yeah, I mean, so what's the difference?
	Well, there are peaceful Muslims that have to ignore their religious doctrine.
	There's billion, there's billions of them.
	And I and I agree with that.
	Yeah, now how do you tell the difference?
	Uh it's very difficult, but I mean, it's I don't I don't have like a really like direct answer for that.
	You tell the difference by who's trying to kill people and who's not, and I'm not saying man, all Muslims.
	Something you said earlier when Owen was talking about the blowback from uh the Middle Eastern wars, like we went to war with Afghanistan.
	Now there's a bunch of Afghanistan, our failed leadership that did that, our failed leadership.
	There's a bunch of Syrians here, there's a bunch of Somalians here.
	He mentioned deporting them.
	I I want to be clear.
	We're did you say that you're against deporting all of those people?
	I want to deport every illegal immigrant, so you're okay with millions or however many It is legal Somali, uh Syrian Afghan migrants.
	You think that's good for America?
	I think I think that in America, because we're a Judeo-Christian nation, then you're you should at least conform to or respect our Judeo-Christian value system, right?
	There's no Judeo-Christian value system.
	That's command.
	It's a Christian country, it's not Judeo-Christian.
	Do you even fucking know what Judeo-Christian means?
	It's made up.
	Made up.
	No, yeah, it is.
	It means old, it means old testament and new testament retard.
	It doesn't mean Jew.
	It means old testament and new testament.
	Because you just came in with an ignorant statement, so I called you every Christians.
	Christians believe in the New Testament.
	Okay.
	So fake.
	Christians believe in both.
	Even if you believe that, that's fine.
	This is a Christian nation.
	Christians don't just read from the New Testament.
	This is a Christian retard.
	Again.
	Let me break it up for just a second.
	How the fuck do you not know this?
	Zach calm down.
	Uh you you said that you know, uh, we because we have Judeo-Christian values, uh, you're okay with I guess the Somali migrants.
	When you see a video from like the Mall of America, and you see all these um, you know, uh women in burqa's walking around the mall, like it's all uh Muslims walking around the mall.
	You see that and you think that that's American.
	No, no, no, no.
	Like I said, right?
	And like I like I I'll try not to be rude to Owen right here, but let me explain something.
	Oh, you've only called me a fucking retard 10 times.
	I think it's already gone, so go ahead.
	So Judeo Christian value system and structure, right?
	Is based off of the old testament with the 10 commandments, which is what which is what inspired our constitution.
	You can cross-reference it to ignore the old testament and our country is retarded, all right.
	It's not a it's not a logical argument.
	So hold on, so Muslims, Muslims do not follow that system.
	So do I think that we should not have mosques in America?
	I think that we should not have any type of Islamic religious practice, but but you don't want to be put the Somali, you want to ban their mosques, but leave the people.
	I think that if you're a legal American and you're in America, I'm not gonna start saying you can't be here, right?
	What I'm saying is you need to assimilate.
	We need to make assimilation laws.
	They're already on the books, that's already part of the process.
	You have to assimilate, sure, but nobody does so okay.
	So just real quick the ignoring of the old test, the ignoring of the old testament thing, yeah.
	Do we do eat shrimp?
	Do we what?
	Do you eat shrimp?
	Yes, you you ignore the old testament too.
	I you eat pork, you under you don't understand the the um uh the theme.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh hang on a second.
	You don't understand a second.
	Saying that is wild, okay, because like okay, so I understand you.
	I understand.
	I I just asking a question because that's in the old testament, right?
	Like, like it's it's if you if you if you want I've used the argument before you good, good.
	So you're familiar with how how how that now you I use it I use it to point out how ridiculous it is, right?
	You have to understand the the actual theology behind the the Bible where he was telling these certain people not to eat shrimp, and that covenant with those people does not apply to people under a different covenant, but we don't need to get into a theological debate today, right?
	No, I don't think which wasn't even a concept till the 19th century.
	You can't even find it in 17th century, 18th century text.
	It doesn't it's a concept now.
	People make up terms, and then it wasn't there for 1776, it wasn't there with the founding fathers, not a single founding father talked about Judeo-Christian value.
	I don't know, pick a word, it was made up, and then you put it into the English language, and then you use using straw man as a straw man, that's a first.
	Wow, but I'm but what I'm saying is if your argument is it didn't used to be a term and now it's a term, it's a term, dude.
	So the term means old testament and new combined, and it's a structure system that we America used to create our set of rules and laws, right?
	Uh that inspired them.
	It's just wrong.
	Just to be just to be clear, old testament argue that it's serious, but okay.
	Old old testament plus plus new combined would look very much like Orthodox Jews that go and get communion.
	You know that do you think that Christians only read from the New Testament?
	No, absolutely not.
	Okay, so here's a here's a here's here's you can you keep talking to me like I don't know what I'm talking about, and that's kind of well, but about this topic I called this was gonna be a two-on-one debate, but I don't care that no, it's not it's not, it's it's not.
	I'm not debating you.
	I I'm not I I I'm trying to get point of clarification because like you said, people just people like these people listen to the old testament and others ignore it.
	And I was pointing out that if you don't like it, that's such an easy argument to make.
	Okay, but yet it's not actual truth.
	Like there's so much in the old testament that is that is ignored just by you, but just by you sitting here.
	Like that you can there's there's this excerpts from the old testament.
	Hold on, where God is talking to Moses and giving him laws and rules, and there was like there's like things about you know uh circumcision, and there's there's all sorts of stuff in the old testament.
	It's not a commandment that applies throughout time, it's specifically tailored for the for the group of people that he's talking to, like the like the shrimp thing.
	Now, what I'm saying is the old the Christian which is by the way a damnable offense.
	It's not the go.
	Um let's not do the whole thing right now.
	Look, let me just let's let's just talk about the whole thing.
	Let's just sum this up, all right.
	Christians, Catholics, Protestants, Christians, all Christians, right?
	They read from the the old testament, which is the Torah, all right, or the Tanakh, and the New Testament, they combined them and they take the parts where they are um absolute truths that that transcend time, like you know, like the Ten Commandments applies to Christians, right?
	But he gave it to the Jews, right?
	So we follow the same laws as last.
	Wait a minute.
	You say Christians were there for the Ten Commandments now?
	No, I said that God Moses with the tablets with the Ten Commandments that he applied to the Jews applies to all people throughout time.
	Shrimp is a completely different thing that's in the Bible, all right.
	So, like they're they're they're two completely different things.
	We follow you listen to the old testament or don't you?
	Let me uh let me let me listen here.
	Let me uh listen to it for alone.
	I don't want to get stuck in the let's move.
	Let's move on for the theological debate.
	I think I've thrown like three questions at Zach and none at Owen.
	So I'll I'll toss one Owen's way.
	Uh Owen, in the Zach scenario where uh the US keeps uh all troops out of the war, that uh miraculously Israel does not need any US intervention to to accomplish their goals.
	Uh, do you see it the same way that you see the war in Iraq?
	Or do you see it the way that um Hezbolla versus Israel turned out to be more of a regional conflict?
	What we've seen since the first strikes on Iran is that luckily it looks like the world is gonna mostly remain neutral or or disassociated, thank God, because you could easily start drawing battle lines, Pakistan, India, Russia, Ukraine, uh, you know, NATO, everything else.
	It looks like for right now, they're kind of staying neutral, and I think that's because everybody's kind of trying to wait and see what's going on.
	Another factor would have to be China, considering China gets a third of its oil exports from Iran.
	But I think China probably figures as long as we're getting our oil from Iran, we don't really care who the leader is, but if they feel like that's threatened, then they could also have a battle line drawn there.
	Here's what here's what I think about politically.
	So, aside from the geopolitic shakeup of it, that is kind of maybe an unknown factor right now, but is still kind of remaining isolated just between Israel and Iran.
	Here's what here's to me what will undoubtedly happen with American politics if it goes the way of the Iraq war.
	If Trump gets us involved in Iran, and whether it's boots in the ground or air support or whatever it is, the Republicans will lose the house in the midterms, and they will lose the presidential election in 2028, just like they did after the Bush years, and you will usher in a Gavin Newsom Cortez ticket because there will be so many MAGA people that are disenfranchised and pissed off with another foreign war, they won't vote in the midterms, and they won't vote for a Republican in the general election.
	So any involvement, any further involvement in this Israel-Iran conflict will blow up the MAGA coalition, it will blow up the populist leverage that we've gained politically in the last 10 years, and it will deliver power right back to the Democrat Party in two years, and then the White House in four years.
	Okay, and in the scenario where the US stays out of it and it just stays regional, something like Hezbollah versus Israel, or Israel is able to handle it, the US didn't get involved.
	Do you look at it the same way?
	Or do you look at it like maybe if it stays regional in the US stays out of it, that it doesn't have blowback both onto the US in terms of terrorism and onto the Republican uh party and the MAGA coalition politically?
	I think we've already crossed that threshold.
	I think there was a chance that you could keep it all toned down and you could isolate it into the into the specific region, but not anymore.
	I think now with the strikes continuing to go back and forth, whatever's gonna happen in Tehran in the next 24 hours after the warning was issued by Trump, I don't think you can keep it isolated now.
	Now I have hopes that Trump can keep us out of this conflict, but right now it's a complete disaster.
	This is this is really the worst Trump has looked probably since COVID or January 6th.
	And Netanyahu has addressed our nation three times.
	Three times we've been addressed by Netanyahu in front of an Israeli flag, not once from President Trump.
	So Netanyahu is now controlling the narrative.
	It does not look good.
	I don't understand.
	I well, I think I understand why Trump isn't talking because he knows he knows his base doesn't want this.
	He knows he's hearing the blowback.
	That's why he lashed out at America first.
	That's why he lashed out at Tucker Carlson because he knows his base doesn't want it, but now he might be in too deep.
	Maybe he already decided we're going in.
	Uh, and so it's not a good look.
	So I would say it's it can't be isolated now.
	It's gonna get worse for Israel, it's gonna get worse for Iran, and regime change is inevitable somewhere.
	It might happen in Israel, and that would probably be the best for the region.
	It might also happen in Iran, and that would be great for the Iranian people.
	Either way, my argument is the same.
	The United States of America needs to stay out of it and decouple with the Middle East until they can figure their shit out.
	They've been warring and whoring for 3,000 years.
	I'm out, America is out, it's time to make America great, put America first and leave all this nonsense behind.
	We tried, we tried, we tried to fix it, we never did.
	It's time to get out.
	Zach, I'm sure you want to respond, but let me get one more question to Owen, and then I think it'll level out the amount I've asked you both.
	Uh Owen, Trump warned Iran uh 60 days prior to Israel hitting them, and then Israel uh struck.
	So he had advanced knowledge of what was gonna happen.
	Um, it looks like his warning today, evacuate Iran, that he knows what's going to happen next.
	So if this all goes forward, do you lay it all at Trump's feet?
	Or is there any possibility to you that there is nothing he could have done to stop Netanyahu?
	Do you think the same thing would have happened if Kamala was president?
	And what more do you think Trump could have done to prevent any type of conflict that already kicked off while Biden was president?
	Well, it's hard to say what would have happened if Kamala was president.
	So uh I hope you don't get mad.
	I'm gonna pass at that.
	Uh since since it's not a reality, thank God.
	I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be hard for Trump to not take some of the blame.
	And I think he kind of did it to himself by accepting that he green lit uh whatever Netanyahu was gonna do.
	But again, I think that I don't I don't understand why President Trump feels any loyalties to Netanyahu.
	He stabbed Trump in the back in 2020.
	Trump in the 2016 campaign, and really since the 1990s, has been calling Benjamin Netanyahu a liar.
	This is all on record, it's all on video, it's his own words.
	So I don't understand what changed in that dynamic.
	Uh, that all of a sudden Netanyahu is dictating the terms of the US Israel relations.
	But I would say if Trump wanted to stop it, if if he wanted to stop it, I don't think it would be that hard.
	I think he would tell Netanyahu if you strike Iran, all your funding is cut, and you won't get another, you won't see a single dollar from the United States, and you will no longer get any military support from the United States either.
	And I think that would stop Netanyahu.
	I think it already did stop him previously, but then Netanyahu said, okay, after the 60 days, I'll strike.
	I want to think that Trump wanted to go back to the negotiating table and Netanyahu undermined him with the strikes anyway, and now the gravity of that is just gonna bring us in.
	I don't know.
	Trump isn't telling us anything.
	We're only hearing from Netanyahu.
	Um, but I don't think Trump wanted this war, but now it might be too late.
	Netanyahu might have just drug us into it.
	Well, I hope that's not the case.
	Uh Zach, do you have any rebuttal?
	We let Owen go for a while.
	I get through him a bunch of questions.
	Do you have anything new?
	Yeah, I didn't want to interrupt him.
	Look, here's the deal.
	The problem is there's a lot of people looking at this through the lens of the Iraq situation.
	They're two completely different situations.
	And if you look at it through the lens of Iraq and George Bush, I would be agreeing with you, right?
	I would be like, because I don't trust George Bush, right?
	I uh based off of Trump's track record of being able to solve conflicts by peace with peace through strength.
	I think it's gonna work the same way here.
	And everyone keeps on saying war, like war, like the like it's going to be like the Iraq war.
	That's not what's going to happen, even if we get involved and call it a war or declare war.
	I don't think we're gonna even get as far as a declaration of war with Iran.
	I think that's kind of silly.
	But here's the thing Israel is our ally, whether you like it or not, and Iran is our enemy, whether you like it or not.
	You may not agree with that, but that is the position of this country, right?
	And Trump has always been very diplomatic, and he knows who our enemies are and who our allies are.
	He knows probably a lot more than me, you, and everyone on this panel.
	He knows that there's a benefit to having a relationship with Israel.
	So he's taking the side of Israel.
	Now, as far as the other nation, I think the NATO NATO allies already came out and said that they they were supporting Israel.
	So I don't know where this this notion that Israel is losing support is coming from.
	You had Syria saying that they were gonna intercept any Iranian missiles, right?
	That's Syria said that.
	Yeah, after the after the regime change that cost a lot of people's lives.
	But either way, no, they said it today, as far as any inter any incoming in uh missiles to to Israel, Syria is going to intercept them.
	That was today that they that was a proxy war to overthrow Assad so that they could get support for Israel and Syria that they didn't have it cost tens of thousands of lives.
	So, yeah, okay.
	So, so yeah, more death and destruction for Israel.
	Okay, go ahead.
	By intercepting these rockets that are going to be firing at Israel, I think what's happening is here.
	Let me just put it this way, right?
	Looking at it again, look at it through the lens of Trump, not Bush, and understand that this war isn't going to be the war that you think it is, even if it happens uh to escalate.
	I don't think that we're gonna lose the midterms if we take a stand against Iran, but I do think that if we were to have boots on the ground and dead soldiers coming home in caskets, we would.
	So I agree with Owen to a certain extent.
	I just think that he's incredibly naive about how this is actually happening and what's actually uh going to be um conducted in resolving this conflict.
	Again, you take out the nuclear military facilities, you take out the top leaders, and there are enough people in Iran right now that are just that are tired of the regime that will overthrow it themselves.
	All it really needs is a push.
	And Israel, who just took out who just took out all of these leaders again.
	I I gotta give Israel credit.
	Like this is a country the size of New Jersey, and they've taken out I would say 85% of Iran's top leaders, and Khamenei is nowhere to be uh heard from.
	A lot of people think that he's already dead.
	If you were to have this regime change, Owens Owens um argument is they would just replace him with somebody just like him.
	Maybe you're right, but that would give us enough time where they would just be like, you know, not trying to start waves and and they wouldn't just pick up the mantle and immediately start conflicts.
	Where I think that we would actually see a a I would say a small period of not necessarily peace, but quiet in the Middle East, which could actually benefit us.
	Oh wow, you actually believe that.
	Well, I'd say it's a very low possibility.
	I'd say the best possibility for quiet in the Middle East is a regime change in Israel.
	I get a question, I got a question for you, and I I I really mean this, like I want you to answer it honestly.
	What do you think would happen if Israel just ceased to exist in the Middle East?
	Like, what are you like?
	Because I think that you're I think that what you're you're you're coming from a place where Israel seems to be an instigator just by being there.
	If let's say let's just say you know, like like Alex Jones asked Nick Fuentes, if you were to remove all the Jews off the earth and put them on the moon, do you think that like all the all the world's problems would go away?
	And that idiot Nick Fuentes was like, Yeah, a lot of them.
	What do you think would happen if if Israel just wasn't there in the Middle East?
	Not Jews, just the country of Israel.
	Um, well, I don't think it's that simple, but I'll try to I'll try to answer that question.
	Uh let me be a little more specific.
	What do you think would happen with Iran, uh Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas, and all of the uh all of the Iranian proxy terror organizations that are in that region right now that are that are uh fighting Israel, or at least mad at Israel, what do you think would happen with them and the Middle East in general in that area?
	I think it would be the exact same thing that would happen in Iran if there was a regime change.
	There would be total chaos, there would be a vacuum for power, there would be bloodshed for weeks, if not months, and then there would be a power struggle in the region until so many people have died that there's a decision.
	So it would be the exact same thing that I think would happen or did happen in Syria, it happened in Libya, it happened in Iraq, it happened in Afghanistan, it'll happen in Iran, and it would happen in Israel, probably the exact same way.
	Just like every regime change issue, every single one ends the exact same way.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	I'm just done.
	America's done.
	Hold on, but but a follow-up, right?
	A follow-up, because you you actually you make a very good point there.
	But do you think that that if if we were to you know back out completely, Israel gets decimated, and then there's a power structure, and as you said, a bunch of death and destruction, and I'm assuming it's going to be all over the news.
	Do you think that would look good?
	Do you think that um a lot of people would actually think that that was a good thing that happened?
	Where you think Trump would get a lot of support for I would say being responsible for for uh starting that death and destruction because we pulled out and we just didn't do anything.
	Yeah, I would I I would tell you, first of all, really, yeah, the American people wouldn't care.
	Really?
	Yeah, they really wouldn't.
	And it actually all depends on media propaganda.
	How often do we talk about thousands of Christians getting massacred in Nigeria and North Africa?
	You never hear it.
	I do I don't hear that's fine.
	You're taking it out.
	If you watch American news, mainstream news, push notifications, whatever you never hear about that stuff.
	So the media still has the propaganda control over the American people about what they care about and what they don't care about.
	So if they want us to care about something, then we will.
	If they don't want us to care about something, then we won't.
	Have you covered the uh it doesn't even matter who the president is or who gets the blame?
	It's all about the media propaganda.
	Have you covered the 200 um Christians that were just slaughtered in Nigeria already?
	Yeah, it's it's uh it's been thousands now.
	Yeah, thousands.
	So you I'm so should we bomb Nigeria?
	Hold on.
	No, no, no.
	I'm glad to hear you say that because I'm seeing a lot of people like I don't know, like Candace Owens, Dave Smith, Tucker Carlson.
	I don't I'm seeing them a lot, a lot of them, those people quiet on it.
	And I see that there's a there's this outrage over you know, innocent people that die in Palestine, and it seems like well, certainly you understand the difference here.
	Again, we subsidize everything Israel does, so it makes much more sense for me.
	I have every right to be critical of whatever Israel does because my tax dialer dollars subsidize its government.
	So you only care about any other country like I do Israel, but you only care about the innocent people that die around the world when it when we when we have some sort of sort of monetary connection to it.
	Well, again, I could care about innocent people anywhere.
	There's innocent people that die all over the world.
	There's there's slaves in China, there's slaves in Iran, there's slaves in India.
	I mean, what do you see?
	So, what's your point?
	No, but I'm what I'm saying is there's a disproportionate amount of outrage over the Palestinians versus all the other tragedies of the world.
	And I've come out and I got a lot of heat for this where I said I'm I don't care about these these dead innocent civilians, because like you just said, it happens all the time, right?
	Well, no, no, no, no, no.
	Show me show me another part of the world that's been completely turned into rubble with 50,000 dead.
	Yemen fucking dude.
	Yemen, Yemen has been rubble.
	What are you talking about?
	Exactly.
	It's been rubble.
	You have hundreds of like not hundreds, thousands, I guess, of little regions in the Middle East that over the past I don't know, decades have been slaughtered by each other, right?
	Like these is the the point that I was trying to make to you earlier.
	If Israel wasn't there, they'd just be killing each other.
	And you agreed.
	Thank you.
	But these people slaughter each other because it's their ideology, right?
	It's their ideology.
	So this is why I want nothing to do with it.
	This is why I want to completely decouple with the region.
	I don't want anything to do with any of them.
	It's we look, this is what it boils down to.
	The United States of America is 36 trillion in debt, and our entrance or interest payment alone is now a trillion dollars.
	We have getting raped on trade deficit since I've been alive.
	We have at least 20, maybe 40 million illegal immigrants here, and all kinds of issues stemming from that.
	We have War zones in our own streets.
	We have war zones in our own streets, decaying infrastructure, homelessness, drug addiction, total chaos.
	These are the American issues.
	These are the issues that we should be facing.
	And yet, here we are yet again dealing with the Middle East, dealing with Israel's issues instead of our own.
	That's the problem.
	That's what America First is trying to get rid of.
	That's what we're all about with MAGA.
	And if we go back into another Israel controlling our foreign policy, it's done.
	The MAGA coalition is shot.
	The Republicans will lose the house, they'll lose the 2028 presidential election, and we'll go right back to the Bushiers.
	And you know that's true.
	You can sit here and say, Oh, it's different.
	I trust Trump.
	Hey, that's fine.
	I like Trump.
	But it's gonna be the exact same thing.
	This isn't all about Trump.
	Trump is one man.
	Luckily, this is a repeat of history.
	No, luckily Trump knows.
	Luckily for us, Democrats are still retarded.
	They're the worst fucking and nobody, and they haven't gained back.
	Republicans are retarded too.
	Yeah, well, if you follow the news all the time, but I think the general population, uh, they're gonna they're gonna ride that um that democrats pulling that Kamala move with Biden and everything for at least a few years.
	But either way, right?
	Doesn't matter.
	What I'm saying is what I'm trying to say is when the when the people who kill each other and kill their enemies and kill anybody that gets in their way and convert or kill and run run to Europe and start raising the rape rape statistics, and there's rape gangs and stabbing sprees and all this shit.
	When they hate us, and your solution is get out, like basically run away from the fight, get out and lock you lock yourself in your own home and just don't go over there anymore, right?
	I don't think that you realize they know where you live and they're gonna just come to your home.
	Like they're going to the the dude, Iran does not sponsor all this terrorism because they think it's a fun hobby.
	They you don't think America sponsors terrorism?
	Of course we do, dude.
	We can get into those okay.
	It's not a non-starter, it is a non-starter.
	No, what about ism isn't our argument, it's a fucking liberal.
	So think about it.
	So what about that that's the first?
	I hate that argument.
	What about ism is actually everything, it's the scales of justice.
	If you can't compare and contrast two things and look for logical equivalency, then you have nothing.
	So absolutely, I will engage in what about isn't if it's a logical, if it's a logical equivalency, right?
	Then you're providing context.
	If it's a false equivalency, it's what about isn't, right?
	You're like, but what about this?
	It's like, no, I'm not a question for Zach.
	Zach, you were saying that Republicans are gonna turn out even if uh the MAGA coalition gets fractured from intervention.
	People vote based on their self-interest.
	You know, you're you're crapping on the Democrats, and obviously they deserve it.
	What do you think is in people's self-interest to turn out with the same enthusiasm that they have in 2024 for Trump?
	What would they see in the midterms out of the Republicans that you think they're gonna be so motivated to go back to the polls?
	So I think that with the people that follow the news 24-7, like me, Owen, and everything like that, we're seeing a lot of divide um in the MAGA party based off of the internet.
	I don't think there is a divide in the MAGA party as a whole.
	I think it's pretty much contained to you know, the like what I call the woke right and the fucking MAGA right, where it's like there's there's the Griper movement, and there's the anti-Israel crowd, and they're screaming, and yeah, it makes it on the news sometimes.
	But I think kitchen table issues are still what people what's at people's forefront.
	And I think that Trump, while he is devoting a little bit of time to this uh war in the Middle East, he's juggling so many plates, and he's doing a bang up job.
	He really is doing a fantastic job with shutting down the border.
	That's what's at people's forefront, right?
	If you know somebody who died of fentanyl, and you see Trump shut down the border, get tough on China, get tough on Canada, and get tough on that on that crisis.
	Those are the issues that people are gonna turn out for.
	They're gonna be like, I like what I'm seeing, and I wanted to see more of it.
	Um, as far as the war in the Middle East, it's something that we're talking about.
	It's not something I bring this shit up to my friends who don't follow the news a lot, and they're they don't really know what's going on, right?
	They're only seeing the headlines on on mainstream media, and on mainstream media, you're gonna real real quick, by the way.
	China, China has warned their citizens in Israel to get out, yeah.
	In Iran in Iran, Iran, yeah.
	In our I think that are you sure?
	I think it's they said Israel.
	Maybe I don't know.
	Um, there's too many Chinese in Israel, yeah.
	There's not that many.
	But China is also, you know, they're um they probably just maybe start maybe trying to start shit if that's the case.
	They're trying to, it's it might just be like a like a no Allah.
	Yeah, they're telling him to get out.
	I was right.
	I was wrong.
	So here's the thing.
	It doesn't matter how many other citizens are there.
	It just, you know, it means that China is now likely getting involved.
	Sure.
	Let me respond to what Zach just said here because I actually agree, but my takeaway from it is different.
	You're right.
	Nobody's talking about Israel and Iran in average American households.
	Nobody's talking about it.
	Nobody cares.
	And that's the problem.
	And that's why the Republicans are going to lose because this is now their top issue because this is now the same.
	This is now their biggest issue.
	It's the thing they're all focusing on.
	It's the thing they're all posting about.
	It's the thing they're all doing TV interviews about.
	And we all know why it's because of APAC.
	But that is why the Republicans are going to lose because nobody's talking about this.
	You're absolutely right.
	This is not a kitchen table issue for Americans.
	It's not a kitchen table issue for Republicans.
	But if it does come up, they see the same thing.
	They don't want anything to do with it.
	They've learned from the Bush years.
	The Republican voters have already abandoned Bush neocon politics.
	And if they go right back to it, which.
	you know what I'll even say this let's just say everything that happens with Israel and Iran is the best thing ever all above board great for America it will not matter because the reception in the United States is going to be Bush again neocons again I'm not going out to vote.
	That's the reality of the situation.
	You want to know what's going to get Republicans to win an election?
	Mass deportations, cutting taxes.
	Okay.
	You know what else is going to also, you want to really put it over the top.
	And this is really where the Trump administration is failing.
	We need mass arrests.
	That's what we need.
	Who stole our 2020 election?
	Who ran crossfire hurricane?
	Who opened the borders and allowed an invasion into the country?
	If you want to dominate politically, you need mass arrests of deep state criminals.
	That's what you need.
	And here's what you need.
	here we are same issue Israel Israel Israel no deep state arrests no tax cuts that's the problem yeah I see the I I agree with you I think that the I think that the FBI needs to step it up and do those arrests but as far as what people are seeing right here's what I think people are seeing here's what I think people have seen and I think people are tired of I think they're tired of free Palestine protests.
	I think they're tired of the guy in New Orleans that drove the drove over the crowd.
	I think they're tired of the guy with the Molotov cocktails in Colorado.
	And I think that people are smart enough where they actually understand the ideology behind it.
	And I think that they put two and two together and they go, you know what?
	We have a we have a problem with radical Islam.
	So I don't think they see a war with not a war, but a conflict with Iran as necessarily a bad thing, because I think the vast majority of people I know it's not you.
	I think the vast majority of people, they look at Israel.
	They connect Israel with Jews.
	Right.
	That's what they do.
	They go, Israel, Jews.
	Right.
	I think most people do that, actually.
	And they go, I don't hate Jews.
	Right.
	So I don't hate Israel.
	But then they see they see the from the river to the sea.
	They see the guy that chanted free Palestine after he shot a couple that was about to be engaged.
	And they go, I don't I don't not I don't necessarily hate Muslims, but I don't necessarily like this.
	So when I when I when I think of the majority of people who aren't on the Internet 24 seven and how they're going to view this conflict, as long as Trump doesn't turn it into a boots on the ground war again, because I told you, if that happens, you're right.
	But if he doesn't turn it into a full boots on the ground war and it's more of like when he killed Qasem Soleimani and al-Baghdadi and he kind of had that whole, hey, these people fucked around and I and they found out, I think people are going to give him the same type of credence that they gave him the first time where they're going to actually support it.
	OK, if it played out like that, I would agree with you.
	Here's two things.
	First of all, the average American doesn't associate those protests with.
	Islam or any country in the Middle East, they associate that with liberalism, progressivism and the Democrat Party.
	So that's not really that's not really helping you there.
	Here's the problem, which I think I agree, because you because you said this before.
	If you have a situation where let's say they do a very coordinated, small strike and they remove Iran's power and they do a regime change and let's say that's best for the world best for the region whether it's at Netanyahu's behest or not let's just say that happens.
	Okay.
	Well, if there are radical jihadist terror cells already in our country, and you knew that okay, so so then what do you think is gonna happen if we remove the Iranian regime?
	Do you think there will be radical Islamic terror attacks?
	Yeah, but do you think what is gonna happen after that?
	What do you think they're gonna do if we do nothing?
	What do you think they're waiting for?
	Like hold on, I'm asking you a question.
	What do you think will happen after there's radical terror attacks in this country?
	Well, I think that then we would we would probably have even more outrage than and I think we would go boots on the ground, and it would be the Bushiers all over again.
	I don't necessarily think so.
	I mean, it really does depend on how big of attack and and what the attack is, right?
	If you have a small terror cell that that does something like you know, blows up uh uh I don't know, a small like 50 people die or something like that.
	Then I think that it might just they might just call it an isolated incident and they might try to tie it back to you know Iran, and then they would say, Hey, we just took out the fucking Iranian leader, so it's not like we're gonna go kill them twice, but I don't know.
	I honestly someone's gonna have to stabilize Iran.
	So so just just as a question of both you guys, Iran has oil, right?
	That's why this war isn't gonna happen.
	Like, I mean, like yeah, we have like I mean yeah, we do, but israel like it is almost every war gets fought about resources of religion.
	This happens to be both, that's all you know, and a lot of times resources are used to incentivize the religious people to get done through propaganda because all this a lot of this is propaganda, even I would go argue that the protests that you were talking about, that's propaganda that's basically propaganda for leftist to our side to try to either incentivize support for one side or the other.
	I swear it looks like to me the Democratic Party has really tried to inflate this issue between Gaza and Israel, which is completely different thing.
	Sure.
	My thing is like we keep acting like the we keep acting like we should get involved because they don't like us.
	I don't know if any of you traveled the world, but that is not a like unique thing to not like America from just the Middle East.
	France hates us, Spain hates France, France.
	They will see you, France.
	They will they will hear you talk and pretend they don't speak English when you've just heard them speak English.
	Sure.
	I mean, and that's no shit, right?
	I don't think it's about all around the world, we are fairly hated by people in Beirut in Lebanon, everywhere.
	So if we're worried about terrorists from from Iran, we should just wipe out everybody, right?
	No, I don't think it's about who's who doesn't like us, I think it's about who is a threat to us.
	I think a new I think a nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran leads to a nuclear death they have one, there is no evidence they have one, just like there was no evidence of what there's evidence, there is evidence that by their own admission that they're enriching uranium, and you think it's for nuclear power, right?
	So here's the thing, but I don't think here's the here's the thing, though.
	That's the second amendment argument.
	If they have something, they might use it against us.
	They don't it's it's a concept of self-defense, it's the concept, yes, it's the concept of self-defense.
	They have self-defense, they're Iranian, and they don't think they're still at self-defense, so you're they don't do that in a fair game.
	And I don't give a fuck, and I don't give a fuck if either of them have self-defense because they're not my fucking country.
	Sure, sure.
	I like look, here's the deal.
	I don't have any uh loyalty to the Israeli government, okay?
	None, none whatsoever.
	I don't know how I don't like I don't even know their government.
	That's that's an interesting submission.
	I've said this over and over and over again, right?
	And everybody just thinks that I have some loyalty to the Israeli government because I don't know that there's some Yeah, because you defend them every single day.
	No, I defend no look.
	I'm anti-terrorist, I'm anti-radical Islam, right?
	And they are fighting the people that I am against, right?
	If it was fucking like Scotland, I would be like, Yeah, hope Scotland wants Iran.
	Just right back to the debate.
	When all of a sudden did you decide to be against Islam?
	9-11.
	A lie.
	A total lie.
	That's your opinion.
	That's your opinion.
	Like, dude, so you believe the official narrative of 9-11.
	So there's your problem, bro.
	So there's your problem.
	You're stuck in a propaganda loop.
	Okay, you love American propaganda, you love Israeli propaganda.
	But I think all we can also use we can also use 9-11.
	We can discount 9-11.
	We can discount.
	We can use it as Use it as a point where that's not a nuclear weapon, but we went to war over that too.
	Sure.
	So we so do we just wipe out everybody in the world that says death to America?
	Do we just go around from country to country in the Middle East and wipe them all out?
	I mean, do we do we do we visit some islands in the Mediterranean too?
	Where they they chant us like that's my thing, man.
	Like, like it I don't want to like it's it's favoritism with American lives, right?
	Because it us being involved in any war where somebody did not directly poke us in the fucking eye, attack one of our ships, attack the homeland, hold American hostages.
	If anybody does any of those things, we should make their fucking entire country a parking lot.
	But until then, we should sit our fucking happy asses at home and tell the rest of the fucking world to pay their goddamn tariffs so we can stop paying taxes.
	Like that's how we should get to.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay, but look, here's the deal.
	Discount 9-11.
	Okay, just take it right off the board, right?
	As I told you, you're the one that said that's where your entire ideology comes from.
	Okay, let me finish, right?
	You said when did I start?
	Right?
	It started there because as a 15-year-old kid, I saw the tour, I saw the world trade centers come down.
	I do believe that the people who were on the planes were fucking Muslims, right?
	And I believe that Osama bin Laden told those Muslims to fly planes into the World Trade Centers.
	Now, if you want to get into who is really behind it and who moved the chest pieces around, I don't care, right?
	But why don't you care?
	Because they did it, okay.
	If somebody hired if somebody like who is they the um al-Qaeda, the fucking Osama bin Laden.
	You said earlier on the show that the CIA was no.
	What I said, what I said was there's there's evidence that there was like there was like regime changes and involvement and the CIA and fucking did this and did that, but either way, right?
	Your entire argument is falling apart because your foundation is built on stand.
	Yes, it is.
	This is where your foundation falls apart.
	You can't decide whether you believe in 9/11 or not, because you know it's obviously bull crap, but yet your entire argument foundation is based off of it, so you kind of have to play both sides.
	No, I don't.
	What I'm saying is you're doing right now.
	What I'm saying is if you discount 9/11, you still have over 66,000 terror attacks from radical Islam in the past 50 years.
	Hold on, you have hunt in 1970.
	I'm saying from 1975 to 2025, there have been over 66,000 so after we built and funded Israel, okay.
	It doesn't matter, bro.
	They're doing it.
	You keep saying it doesn't matter.
	What do you mean?
	Well, who decides what matters and whatnot?
	But you keep on you keep on going, why, why, why?
	Look, I'm like, hey, this is happening.
	Okay.
	So if you say, um, why do black people steal, right?
	Does it negate the fact that they steal?
	And I'm not saying I'm not saying all of them do.
	What I'm saying is there's that talking point, right?
	That black people steal.
	That's a that's a popular woke right talking point, okay.
	When you say why, right, you gotta now try to get into the get into the psychology of of what happened and how many who was really responsible for it.
	Exactly exactly, you don't, right?
	If you see the action taking place, and you can put the actor to the action, then you can say, All right, these are the bad actors, right?
	Now, I'm not saying all Muslims, but radical Islamic terrorists, right?
	Radical Islamic terrorists, people that espouse the ideology of Islam and chant death to America, those people are responsible for 66,000 terror attacks over the past 50 years.
	So when you say why, I don't care because there's 66,000 of them, right?
	I just want to stop them.
	The why doesn't matter.
	So let's not so let's not investigate anything.
	let's not investigate why autism is skyrocketing.
	Let's not investigate why there's poor people.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, It's my time to talk, it's my time to talk.
	It's my stupid.
	If you're not willing to investigate the why, then just shut up.
	Just admit you're a surface level propaganda consumer, and let's just move on from this debate.
	Because if you're not willing to investigate the why, then you're worthless here.
	Let me explain the why.
	Well, our media after 9-11 told us exactly what they want you to repeat like a parrot radical Islam, radical Islam, radical Islam.
	Well, let me tell you the two people that benefited from September 11th, the military industrial complex and Israel.
	That is undeniable.
	Now, if you go into the Muslim world, what are they hearing about 9-11?
	Do you think they're hearing about radical Islam?
	Do you think they're hearing about Osama bin Laden?
	No, because they know it's stupid, because they know Osama bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan Did not orchestrate two planes flying into the Twin Towers by himself.
	They don't deal with the propaganda we deal with and say they don't believe that nonsense.
	But nonetheless, what is the aftermath?
	Okay, what is now America?
	He didn't interrupt me.
	He did.
	Now America goes into the Middle East, destroys Afghanistan, destroys Iraq.
	All of these people are misplaced.
	And now the same sentiment that these people have for Israel, they now have for America.
	So yes, they want to go on jihad against us because they believe we destroyed their way of life.
	I'm out, I'm done.
	I don't want anyone in that region to hate us anymore.
	I don't want anyone in that region to be subsidized with us anymore.
	And it all comes back right to the same point.
	That's the point.
	No, the well, the point is they're going to want to kill you regardless, right?
	And now you think a country decided like what 16-15 million people.
	I thought you didn't do, I thought you didn't deal in absolutes.
	Now you can say for sure they want to kill me.
	They want to kill you.
	Well, no, I can say for sure they chant death to America, right?
	That's that's they do in Austin, Texas.
	So let's go nuke it.
	It's not false equivalency.
	Look, here's the deal.
	You want to find out the why, right?
	But you but by getting it.
	No, I just explained the why.
	No, you you explained your opinion on the why, right?
	Which is you can you can have that opinion, but saying it as fact is it's it's a theory.
	You say you don't even care about the why.
	So what's your why?
	You don't even think about it.
	You can't even think beyond the surface.
	What I'm saying is if I can see the action, right?
	Then I all right, fine.
	I care about the why, but it it takes a back seat.
	Okay, is that better?
	It takes a back seat because when you have a pattern of behavior from a people group, right?
	And that people group has the ability to make a nuclear weapon, and that people group has given us plenty of reason to believe them when they say we we hate you.
	I personally think it's it's a pragmatic approach to go, okay, then you can't have a nuclear weapon.
	That's that's what I'm saying.
	So I like okay, so that's fine.
	So why doesn't that logic apply to Israel then?
	Because they don't want to kill us.
	Like that's the to the Muslim world.
	What do you mean?
	Israel so Israel chance death to America?
	Israel is no no no.
	I'm saying I'm saying there are plenty of countries around the world and plenty of Muslims around the world that Israelis hate and that they would glad to see killed.
	You yourself said you don't care how many dead children are in Palestine.
	So you don't think the Islamic world sees that and says, Oh, maybe Israel shouldn't have a nuke.
	Sure.
	I mean, I if I said that, I would I misspoke.
	I said I'm okay, I'm okay with that.
	I said I'm okay with civilian casualties as long as that civilian casualty ends the war and more people and saves more people in the long run.
	Same thing we did with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, same thing they did with Operations Gomorrah with the Allies and World War II.
	When you do when you when you see this is why you're woke right, because now you have to defend death.
	Now you are forced to defend death, just like the woke left.
	I'm just going to keep defending death.
	I'm not a snowflake liberal that just lives in this fucking world of no, but you're defending death, so go ahead, keep defending it.
	One more death.
	Go ahead.
	Gentlemen, do your corners, and I want to wrap up a couple of threads that we've had going throughout this thing that uh maybe there'll be points on both sides.
	Who knows?
	Uh, one thing, Zach, you said uh the CIA was involved in 9-11.
	I said I don't know.
	Okay, well, it's not in doubt.
	Uh Michael Springman uh worked for the U.S. government to do my little Alex Jones voice that it's many, many, many sources have shown that the U.S. government was involved in 9-11, and the missing pages of the 9-11 report that only got uh released after Trump took office the first time, it showed that the Saudi government knew what was going on too.
	So you have the Bush administration, the Saudi government, the Saudis.
	I don't know if you know, they've been allies with Israel for decades.
	Uh, the neocons in Bush's administration, very very closely they work with Israel.
	So the idea that Israel had no idea about 9-11, it doesn't really wash with the other players involved and uh who was behind 9-11, and then for uh Owen, just um to try and put Zex argument maybe in a finer point.
	Patrick Bed David was making the point the other day that um, you know, the the date you both keep putting on where a lot of these terror attacks coming from, you know, it's it's not actually the date of the creation of Israel, It's the the time when the new regime took over in Iran uh from the Shah and that they have been very radical.
	Do you cry for the regime in Iran?
	Should they be replaced, Owen?
	I would first of all my baseline is it's not my problem.
	It's not my problem.
	That's my baseline.
	And I don't subsidize Iran like I've subsidized Israel.
	Now, having said that, by the way, this is true for Netanyahu.
	The Iranian government is not popular.
	Netanyahu's approval rating is 30% right now.
	Netanyahu needs this war so he can stay in power.
	He knows he'll never win another election.
	He's lost popularity.
	The Orthodox Jews are about to totally turn against him.
	He's losing the support from the Knesset.
	So Netanyahu is a desperate man.
	He's failed on all he's failed everywhere.
	He's failed to defeat Hamas.
	He's failed to take the Gaza Strip.
	He's failed to save the hostages.
	So now he's trying to get a victory in Israel to secure his political power yet again.
	Why do I say that?
	Because the same situation is in Iran.
	The their leadership is very unpopular.
	They don't have a they don't have a very high approval rating amongst their people.
	Sure.
	Would their people like to see a regime change?
	Probably.
	But it's not my problem.
	I want nothing to do with it.
	I don't want a single tax dollar going towards it.
	I don't want a single piece of military equipment going towards it.
	And I certainly have already seen what happens when it does, and I'm not insane, and I'm not going to repeat the same process.
	Yep.
	I don't think that so that makes sense.
	You said that like it's it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the US was involved in 9-11 too, right?
	So did not say that, but I would say I would say yeah, probably.
	Okay, so you both say yeah, right.
	So why don't you just leave America?
	Because I mean, your argument for getting out of the Middle East.
	Why don't you go to Israel?
	Like, what is that?
	You're your your argument is anybody who's responsible for 9-11, we shouldn't trust.
	So we shouldn't trust our own government, which I don't trust George World.
	Which we shouldn't just just real real quick, real quick, dude.
	You trust the government.
	No, I just I just said, which we shouldn't, right?
	We should never trust the government.
	But here's the thing the whole notes.
	But you trust the 9-11 theory.
	Okay.
	It's not that look.
	I you you are obsessed with 9-11.
	And it's so funny that you're obsessed with 9-11.
	You said you said your whole worldview was based on September 10th.
	No, I didn't.
	I said that you said when did it start?
	And I said 9-11, right?
	And I said, Congrats.
	It was not that is not my entire worldview against the radical Islamic fucking terrorist ideology.
	I've also looked at their behavior over the past fucking 20-something years, and it's backed up my my theory on 9-11.
	So that's why I said the 9-11 thing doesn't matter, because they're also terrorists doing terrorist shit, and they haven't stopped doing terrorist shit since they fucking since they I don't know, since that's why we need to decouple from the region.
	Hold on.
	That's why we have to decouple from the region.
	And by the way, we should our government is our government is way too big anyway.
	We shouldn't even have funds to send in Israel.
	Here's the deal.
	Uh the the not my problem thing, right?
	The isolationist argument, it is a September 10th mentality, which I think that we are very dangerously um flirting with.
	Where if you if you do if if we take your route of just decouple, get out, come back here, and then we have that big terrorist hold on, and then we have that big terrorist event, you're gonna get that thing that you just that scenario that you just said, where you're gonna have the same terrorist cells that you're afraid of like going off if we take out Iran, they're also gonna go off if we just decouple and leave.
	So we're damned if we do, damned if we don't, as far as the as far as the attacks, because they're gonna say, Oh, Iran just decoupled from the whole Middle East.
	Now we're now we lost out on all that trade.
	We lost out on all our negotiations.
	We're gonna we're gonna who's gonna attack.
	What are you talking about?
	There's already terrorist cells in this country, right?
	That is a fact that is reported by the FBI and Homeland Security, right?
	Many, and they they haven't been able to track them, right?
	So if we were to decouple and become complete isolationists, right?
	You don't think that those those terror you think the terrorists are just gonna go, hey guys, they left, so we're leaving too.
	No, they're gonna start fucking a second, hold on a second.
	So the percentage of a radical Islamic terror attack in America goes down significantly, significantly if we do not get involved more in the Middle East.
	Because you think that they care.
	Oh my god, dude.
	They want to be able to do it.
	So but then but then but but then by your argument they're gonna commit the terror no matter what correct because they're terrorists.
	So then what's the point?
	So what's the so not but that's the thing, man.
	If they're gonna if they're gonna commit the terror no matter what, then there's whether we isolate or not, but like why spend the money.
	You're damned if you do, damned if you don't, as far as this hypothetical scenario.
	We don't we don't even need to isolate, dude.
	We just need to close our borders and make the rest of the world bow.
	Yeah, because we're the largest because we're because what what'd you say?
	But we also need to make it very clear that the number one state sponsor of radical Islamic terrorism does not have a nuclear weapon, and just saying they don't is not good enough.
	You keep saying America, America, the American government.
	Okay, well, I don't think that's a threat to us, and I don't think anybody's serious.
	That's what they thought on September 10th.
	On September 10th, they go, they're not a threat, which was a lie.
	So again, you keep going back to September 11th, which you admit.
	Your opinion is it's a lie.
	I said that that the uh that Osama bin Laden is responsible for the 9-11 terror attacks.
	But it's would it surprise you if there is a certain person that predicted include the entire thing, including the name Osama Bed Laden well before it happened?
	Are you about to say the Netanyahu interview on that late night show?
	No, okay, no, well, that's one.
	So yeah, net now it was coming too.
	It was like well, well before describing like the event.
	Predictions are funny because here's I can make a prediction right now.
	There's going to be a terrorist attack in America on American soil.
	I can say that, right?
	And I can even but if you but if you say if but if you pre-name the terrorist that is going to be to be taking control, I'm gonna wonder what the fuck's in your email, bro.
	No, but you you could just you could also just be guessing based off of their pattern of behavior.
	I could say there's gonna be I could say there's gonna be an ISIS attack in America on American soil this year, and then in January, you got the guy that has the ISIS flag that runs over the people in New Orleans.
	Is that a real big stretch?
	I could say that Kamini is gonna activate one of his Iranian terror cells here, and they're gonna blow up a building, right?
	Is it really if that actually happens, the odds really weren't that crazy, right?
	I mean, maybe they were 50 to one, maybe they were 1001, maybe they were a thousand one, but it's definitely not a million.
	So predicting terrorist attacks from terrorists, it's not it's not the craziest thing to me.
	Oh boy.
	Do you do you think America?
	Do you think America is very responsible for Israel staying safe and sovereign in that part of the world, right?
	You do believe that.
	I yes, I think that we helped I agree.
	So I agree.
	I think that they can survive without us.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I I wouldn't, I wouldn't push back on that.
	So America has done a lot to maintain Israel's sovereignty.
	What is Israel done to maintain our sovereignty?
	Did they come down to the border?
	Did they send IDF troops to the border to stop the invasion?
	Did they send troops here to help us deport people?
	That was under Biden, he wouldn't have let them.
	Um, but they sent people to the California wildfires.
	They've sent um a lot of they they help us with you know technology, they got they they they do a lot of stuff with us, and uh it's not like they just sit there like I said, the California wildfires, they sent I don't I don't remember the number, but a bunch of Israeli firefighters over here to help out because we're an ally, yeah.
	They did.
	Yeah, a lot of people from over the world did, but that's not the question.
	The point is that the IDF and the Israeli military does nothing to support our sovereignty, and we do everything to support theirs.
	It's it's it this relationship is not balanced, and it's costing us it's costing us more than the benefits.
	That's what America has realized.
	I think like like I said, I think that after after this debate, I think you should go look up the the the figures on direct spending versus foreign aid and trade and what is trade have to do with us subsidizing Israel.
	That doesn't make that doesn't uh give me a good excuse to subsidize Israel.
	We we already went over this.
	If there is a net gain for America, we're not subsidizing, right?
	We sell them.
	What are you are you crazy?
	We sell them the vast majority of their weapons.
	We don't just go okay.
	So with our money, they buy it with our money, yeah.
	But no, no, no, they don't though.
	They're they're buying it's this is I know the the economic that's like saying Plan Taran doesn't use tax dollars for abortions.
	That's a joke.
	Yeah, all right.
	Look, like I said, America loan Israel money.
	Do we loan them?
	I believe I believe there are loans, yes.
	And I know loans, we have a contract with Israel, they get free money from us.
	We've literally subsidized their entire existence in in trade for and look, I don't look the we're not talking about trade.
	This is foreign aid, it rhymes with trade, but it's foreign aid.
	But if you look at if you look at it in a holistic approach, right?
	All of them get out All of the money, right?
	You take all of the money, every dollar, right?
	Here's the aid, here's the loans.
	Here's the spending, here's the technology.
	Here's what we gave you.
	Here's what we gave you.
	If you break that all down, then we are the we are the benefactor of our relationship with Israel.
	They we they don't make money off of us, we make money off of it.
	Okay, so okay, so you want fine, whatever.
	The numbers debate, we're not gonna work.
	So let's just put it into let's just put it in a simple basic logic.
	Which country would be better off without the other.
	Do you think the United States of America would be okay without Israel?
	Do you think Israel would be okay with the United States of America?
	Where do you think that dynamic stands?
	Sure.
	I mean, I would say they probably benefit um by having our us as an ally.
	We're the most powerful nation in the world, of course.
	Of course, okay.
	So you admit that it's the the cost benefit, it's it's way more costly for us.
	Israel benefits way more than we benefit.
	Okay, I'm glad we admit that.
	No, not monetarily, no, right?
	But the benefit of having having the the big swing and dick uh having your back is is huge because oh now Israel's the big swinging dick a million ago, they were you know New Jersey.
	No, we are we are okay, exactly.
	So we don't need them.
	We don't necessarily need them, but you don't need allies, you make allies, right?
	You that's you don't need to do this at all.
	You don't need to be uh we don't need to be in an in a trade relationship with China.
	We don't need unfortunately we do, but we don't we don't.
	We could literally we could literally just do the same thing.
	We could go fuck you, China, no more China.
	Brilliant, that's exactly the point.
	So now you're an isolationist.
	No, I'm saying we could, but there is I agree, I agree.
	Now that would take some time because we got sold out by our Congress that shipped all of our jobs over there, and now they control the rare earth minerals.
	Yeah, but yeah, you're right.
	In about a year or two, we could we could bring all of that back, and we wouldn't need China.
	I think I think that economically we should do we should be as isolated as possible, economically, right?
	I think guys, we're we're getting somewhere.
	No, but like I said, I you you think that we're so far off on each other, we're not.
	We we probably agree on a lot.
	No, I'm just glad that I'm winning this debate.
	Clearly, you can everybody everybody who ever says I'm winning the debate is probably either losing the debate or it's pretty even.
	Let me tell you something.
	As an even moderator, the argument you're making for economics, it'd be like if America said, Hey, Brazil, we're gonna give you 10 billion dollars to buy Teslas from us, and then we talked about the benefit Brazil gives us for buying our Teslas.
	Like we gave them the money, and that's you that's what you're touting as like the benefit of Israel.
	It's like they're spending the money we gave them in our country, like we gave them the money.
	We we could build anything and give the money to anybody that buys that's not really a great relationship.
	Thomas economics is extremely complicated, right?
	And especially no, no, it is it really is, and it all and people always try to simplify it and dumb it down to we give them the thing and then they buy the thing.
	It's like it's really people always do that.
	They they may uh look at kind of what it is, but look at actual look at what actual economists are saying, and you're gonna you're gonna have many of them that are gonna come out and tell you that.
	What are what is the difference?
	What's the difference between actual economists and economists?
	Well, people who I don't know, like an economist.
	Agree with you.
	Okay, no, just go to what you're gonna have, and by the way, you're gonna have economists that say that we don't have the the benefit, then you're gonna have economists say that we do have the benefit.
	You're gonna have people say that we uh we shouldn't be so they're all actual economists, right?
	I don't know, just like everybody else ever.
	I don't think I've ever seen a single economist say that we benefit financially from Israel.
	I don't believe I've ever seen that once.
	Okay, I mean, I'll ask Grock, but something else you should look up uh after the debate.
	You told Owen to look something up.
	You should look up what Alan was referencing earlier.
	The great prediction made by Alex Jones of InfoWars that Owen works with uh that owen is a host for.
	Uh, he predicted months ahead of 9-11 that there would be an attack on the World Trade Center, that it would be blamed on Osama Bin Laden.
	That is such a specific attack, such a specific time frame, it's not random, it's incredibly impressive.
	And when you look into how he was able to predict that is inarguable that the CIA the Bush already, uh, didn't they already fly a plane?
	It was in the it was in the 9-11 commission report pages that have been Taken out that the Saudis were involved, the Saudis, the Bushes, these are allies with Israel.
	You need to look deeper into geopolitic.
	You said you you didn't care that much about the why.
	But if you're gonna go out in public and speak, you should really know a little bit more about it.
	Yeah, you know, you're a fair moderator.
	Uh Alex Jones said that a plane was gonna hit the world trade center after a plane hit the world trade center.
	He's fucking he's oh, he said before, but whatever.
	Before it happened, it's on video.
	He said it before the 93 attack.
	No, before the 2001 attack, just a couple of months and after and after the other attack.
	There was already a plane that hit the world trade center saying another plane's gonna hit it.
	So there was a bomb in 93, it wasn't a plane that hit in 93.
	Let me let me let me reframe this.
	Let me reframe this a little bit to explain how powerful the propaganda is because I just don't think you actually respect how powerful it is.
	They convinced America that a plane hit the Pentagon without a single plane part, not an engine, not a fuselage, not a wing, nothing.
	And they convinced you that a plane in it.
	That's how powerful the propaganda is that we're dealing with.
	So you better realize the same people are running the same propaganda right now against Iran.
	Okay.
	Well, we're you asked me if there's any economists that say that we have a net positive relationship.
	Uh, from our relationship with Israel's uh Z V Xene um on studies, studies on is Israel monetary policy indirectly supports the idea of economic stability benefiting the U.S. trade through Israel resilient economy, doesn't necessarily qualify it as a net positive relationship, but it leads to it.
	Of course not, and it's not even taking advantage.
	That's just not just one.
	So nice try.
	That's just one, and I'm sure you'll find others, but either way, that I just wanted to give you that because I said I was gonna look it up.
	Um prove my point, but okay.
	It didn't, but okay.
	Like I said, after the debate, you can go look it up.
	But um when you need to do your research, you don't know what you're talking about.
	He's like this is like when I go out to the protest and they're like, You don't follow the news.
	Yeah, you know, so I I figured that when I came on, uh, you know, because you guys know each other and you don't know me, that it was gonna it was gonna kind of be like a team up thing, and I think I think we're we're kind of pretty I've been incredibly free.
	Well, you just told me you just told me I need to learn about geopolitics, and this and you said that a plane hit the the world trade center exact argument, you're a fucking moderator.
	Shut the fuck up and keep your opinions to yourself.
	Actually, he's fact checking you, you got something wrong, like he did in the entire night.
	So really was a fair moderator, you just got everything wrong.
	He was just trying to help you.
	You set up plane hit the world trade center in 93, it was a bomb in the basement.
	No plane hit the world trade center.
	So this is how this is how it's gonna go.
	This is how it's gonna go.
	People like Zach here are gonna fall for the propaganda, and we're gonna go right into the bush ears.
	It's just like I said, it's the exact same thing.
	Either you believe your lying government, and you believe the geopolitical lies that we've been told our whole life, or you don't.
	You still believe them, the rest of us have moved on, and you will see it's not going back, it's not going back.
	Any involvement we have with Iran, it's over.
	The Republicans will lose the house, they'll lose the presidential election, and and and and people like you will still sit there and play tiddlywinks with the Republican Party and the mainstream media, thinking it's all good, and and you'll be left behind, and you'll say, Well, golly gee, what happened?
	How did the democrats get back in power?
	Because you fell for the same crap again.
	Uh, my bad, it was a it was the Empire State Building.
	Um, yeah, no, I agree.
	I find real quick, guys.
	I'll real quick.
	Go ahead, Alan.
	I've seen this video.
	I get kudos.
	Or if you let some terrorist group drew it, like the world trade center, we know who to blame.
	And if there was an outside threat, like a bin Laden who was a known CIA shit in the 80s, he's the boogeyman they need.
	We know the joint chief staff wanted to blow up airliners, Baltimore Sun, or if you let some terrorist group drew it, like the World Trade Center, we know who to blame.
	And if there was an outside threat like a bin Laden who was a known CIA shed in the 80s, he's the boogeyman they need.
	So he's saying it's America, not Israel, right?
	So he said the American government, he said he said Israel was involved too.
	He also said he also said that Iran is now the boogeyman.
	No, that's what we're saying.
	I love listen, I love Alex Jones.
	I'm a big fan of Alex Jones, but he also said that Macron had a giant bag of coke when it was a napkin, like on the table.
	So he gets some things wrong.
	He does get some things wrong every once in a while, but I do like it.
	But but not that though.
	I don't, I don't know, man.
	No, you guys always this is the problem with trying to you try to know if there's a terrorist attack on September 11th.
	No, you're trying to pin me down and again get me to agree with your narrative when I don't, and I'm not going to, right.
	That's the thing, man.
	Like I you keep you keep saying that, but like this is really when when you moderate something, I'm honestly just trying to get clarity, but that was just a factual thing, right?
	Like it's either you're gonna believe that you're gonna believe that I just showed you a fake video that Tucker Carlson.
	Alex Jones predicted it.
	There are other he predicted 9/11.
	Sure, yeah, he predicted 9/11 happening.
	Yeah, how did he do that?
	I don't know.
	But say, like you that's the thing.
	You gotta tell, like, how did he predict it?
	Is it at the end of the day?
	Because I will tell you, they're it's a script and they're going off the exact strip script again.
	And that's what I'm trying to warn us about.
	That's what I'm trying to stop Trump from doing, which he knows.
	He knows it all out.
	Is there any possibility, even a small possibility that you're wrong?
	About what?
	About this, about this whole Iran thing.
	Like uh it's a script.
	Is there an a like even a little possibility that you are actually wrong?
	No.
	So people who speak in absolutes like that should not be taken seriously.
	That's a Star Wars quote.
	You literally think there's no possibility that you could be wrong.
	About what?
	What are you talking about?
	We're already involved in Iran, they're already striking.
	I'm already right.
	You're saying that it's a script, and I'm assuming you're of course it's a script.
	Yeah, so the CIA is involved, and this is just a giant.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, there's no possibility.
	Welcome to the world.
	So there's no possibility that Iran just is a terrorist like group that wants to take out America with a nuclear weapon.
	That's a straw man.
	That doesn't, but that that's not the point.
	The point is they're going after the same script, and every single regime that Netanyahu has lobbied for Congress to overthrow, he has gotten, and now we're to Iran.
	Okay.
	I will say I hope that uh, you know, the Trump administration is saying we're not at war, we're not going to war.
	And I think to Owen's point, the reason they're doing that is because it is not good for Republicans.
	No politically is not good for Trump politically for us to be involved in another war.
	It would take away at least some level of support from Republicans.
	And that in and of itself is bad for America.
	We have mass portations that we need to do.
	Uh we have a lot of the deep state that we need to clean up.
	Losing any amount of power, even if it's just the House of Representatives, would be very, very bad right now.
	So I think I think it would be a good time for closing statements.
	I think probably good time.
	I'll make my I'll make my closing statement first.
	He can go last.
	Um I will say this.
	As I said, if we get involved in another war in Iran, and if it's boots in the ground, absolutely this will be true.
	If it's if it's like nuanced of oh, just our military or just aerial support, whatever, it'll still be the same result.
	We'll go back to Bush era politics, Republicans will lose the house, and then they'll lose the presidential election in 2028.
	We've already been through this road, we've already seen the playbook.
	I'm not gonna play that game again.
	The MAGA coalition will be fractured.
	And you can debate the merits of going into Iran and you can debate the merits of the relationship we have with Israel.
	The result will be the same.
	The result will be the exact same.
	And here's the issue, and this is why it's gonna be so catastrophic for the Republican Party.
	The MAGA base is now a populist movement, which you may not like if you're a conservative, but nonetheless, it has all the political momentum and it has all the political leverage right now.
	It took us 10 years to get here, and now we are here.
	And it's gonna be the Republican Party that sabotages the whole thing.
	Everybody's talking about Israel and Iran.
	Why?
	Because it's Israel's issue, and we're attached at the hip to Israel.
	We should be talking about mass deportations, we should be talking about investigating who's funding and organizing these riots on our streets.
	We should be talking about who stole the 2020 election and how we should be talking about who ran Operation Crossfire Hurricane in a coup against President Trump.
	We should be talking about who ran the auto pen in a treasonous act against this country.
	We should be talking about who opened the borders for an invasion of 10 to 20 million people, and we should be cutting taxes and we should be addressing the trade deficit.
	And now here we are again putting Israel's priorities first above America's, and it will destroy the MAGA coalition if we go down this road.
	We can still turn it around.
	We've had a bad Car accident.
	We're at the intersection, and MAGA has had a bad car accident.
	But we can still heal this up and turn it around.
	But if we get involved in regime change in Iran, and if this war expands, MAGA coalition shattered, Republicans lose the house, Democrats win in 2028.
	Mark my words.
	Go ahead, Zach.
	Okay.
	I I think that Owen's given a lot more credit um to this base that he thinks is the base uh than it actually is, right?
	The the America first like movement, a anti-israel movement.
	It's it's incredibly small, right?
	Trump is MAGA, right?
	And the base is 77 million people that voted for him.
	Then the vast majority of these people don't follow politics as closely as as we do.
	And while there may be a split on on the ex platforms where there's like all these people that are like, we got to get rid of Israel, we got to decouple from Israel, blah, blah, blah.
	The vast majority of people they don't care about it, they just see it on the news.
	And it's not as big of a threat as he would think it is, as far as just the support goes.
	Now, I do agree with him.
	If there is a boots on the ground incursion into any country, wars are always bad for presidents.
	Wars will definitely um lose the midterms.
	He he's gonna be president for four years regardless.
	So I hope that there is not boots on the ground.
	As I stated earlier, when when I'm responding to somebody who says you want to go to war, and I go, Yeah, I might be trolling them.
	I don't want a full-out war.
	I don't, I don't even want a war at all.
	I don't want any type of real war with Iran, but I do want America to make it very clear, even if that means through support force or supplies, that Iran is not having a nuclear weapon, period.
	Point blank, no more fucking discussion.
	And I don't think that we need to decouple from the Middle East or get out of there to do that because we've already set up all these uh all these structures over there and all of this, you know, these trades and these relationships.
	You can't just pull the fucking pin.
	Uh, I think that would be worse.
	And I think that that would actually destroy Trump's legacy, a lot worse than maybe a conflict that lasts for a couple of months, and we hope it does.
	As far as the the conspiracies and all the people want to know about the 2020 election and shit like that, I do.
	I'm right there with you.
	I want to know about the Epstein files, the 9-11, the blah blah blah.
	I want to know all of it.
	But most people, the vast majority of real people that that really just kitchen table people, they've moved on, they don't give a fuck about conspiracy theories, they really don't.
	Um, and that's I think where a lot of these people are confused.
	They think that they're they think that their obsession, some I would call it an obsession with some.
	This obsession with Israel is what most people are thinking about.
	What people are thinking about, as we did talk about, as Owen agrees with me on people are thinking about the border, they're thinking about fentanyl, they're thinking about uh taxes, they're thinking about how they can put food on their table, they're thinking about jobs, they're thinking about their kids' college.
	And I think that a lot of people do see a lot of the conflict that's going on here and a lot of the divide that's happened over the Israel-Palestine conflict.
	And I would say that the vast majority of people that aren't in that little base that he thinks is, um, I think they're on Israel's side.
	I think that they I think that people are smart and they understand that a terrorist organization slaughtered, raped, murdered, and killed uh 1200 people.
	Israel's doing what any country would do if they did it to us, we'd fucking destroy them.
	If they did it to um if they did it to fucking even somebody that we didn't like that much.
	If if something like that happened to fucking Russia, I think that we would probably say, Yeah, Russia has a right to go over there and fuck them up.
	But that's that being said, here's my close.
	We are an ally of Israel, and you guys gotta get on board with that, and just it's not gonna end anytime soon.
	We've always been an ally, and we are an enemy with Iran.
	That's not gonna end soon, and you gotta get on board with that, period.
	And that's the issue right there.
	We're done being told what we have to do, and you're wrong about Israel's support.
	And I'll just say this: look around you, look around you.
	The big beautiful bill, massive military spending, getting rid of the budget and setting up the biggest surveillance state in the history of America, combined with the giant army recruitment ad that we just saw this weekend for the 250th anniversary.
	Look around you, dude.
	They're getting ready.
	I'm not a fan of big bills either.
	We'll agree with that.
	I want to thank Owen.
	I want to thank Zach for coming on.
	There'd be no debate without both of you.
	So I think it was a fun debate, interesting.
	Uh, we crushed it from that aspect.
	Uh, I don't want to put my thumb on the scale too much, but I'll say I think I was a pretty fair moderator.
	And uh the only thing I will say is uh this whole debate about blowing up the MAGA coalition and everything everything being focused on Israel first.
	It wouldn't be the biggest debate in the world if the Trump administration was delivering every single uh where else that they promised.
	As Owen pointed out, we're not getting the mass deportations that uh were promised.
	Uh Steven Miller is working on it, but then Trump makes a statement saying that we're gonna leave the workers at the farms and the hotels alone.
	I don't know if that's I don't know if that's a statement just to get Rand Paul's vote or what it is, but that is not what he promised us.
	He prom even the first time around, he promised locker up.
	We want to see a rest of the deep state.
	Promise no new wars.
	He did promise new no wars.
	Uh and the other thing, you know, if there is a path where Israel does their goal and America's not involved, that that this thin line, this is what Trump is aiming for.
	Okay, that's what you're aiming for, Trump, where uh Israel is allowed to do its its uh business and America's not involved.
	If he wants to keep the MAGA coalition together, and that's the how he wants to frame the Middle East, he has to deliver mass deportations, arrests in the deep state, firings of all the people that were put in by the Biden administration, the Obama administration.
	We are not getting everything that we were promised.
	If he wants to deliver uh for the American people and get wins in 2026, he has to deliver everywhere else around to make up for the fact that we were told there's not gonna be a big focus on war in this administration.
	Anyway, uh thank you both for coming on.
	I hope you don't you don't feel uh we were too biased, Zach.
	Nah, you're good.
	Man, look, and I I wasn't trying to be too much of a dick.
	It's just you guys all know each other, and I'm the new guy, so I I would have expected it.
	And I think you did uh you did pretty good.
	All right.
	Well, welcome uh Zach New the new guy.
	And uh if you've never seen us before, JuCast.
	Yes, we've had Owen on before.
	We've had Laura Loomer, we've had uh Jason Whitlock, one of our finest episodes.
	David Cole, the guy who actually did a lot of the investigation into the Holocaust, the world's number one Holocaust provisionist, David Cole.
	We've had on the show is very interesting.
	Talk, he's a funny guy.
	Yeah, and uh if you want to uh check us out, you go on Twitter, just type in the search bar, JuCast, scroll around, you'll find episodes.
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	So uh thank you guys uh for both coming on.
	Real quick, right before I go, just oh, and just even though it got a little heater, just want to say really appreciate you coming on and I respect you, and thank you very much.
	I agree.
	Uh political debate and discussion is necessary for this country.
	We have to be able to do it and then break bread afterwards if we're gonna come together and save America.
	So I'm glad we were able to do this tonight.
	Thank you.
	Amen.
	A message of peace.
	And as far as more political debates, I have challenged Myron Gaines.
	He said he sounded scared, he walked away.
	I have challenged Nick Fuentes for seven years.
	I've challenged Stu Peters, who I actually debated once and he deleted it afterwards because he lost so bad.
	But anybody that wants to come out, you want to talk JQ, you want to talk the Holocaust, anything.
	Let's have more discussion.
	I think it's good for America.
	Come on, the jucast.
	Let's do this more, people.
	All right, guys.
	Peace.
	All right, thank you guys very much.
	Appreciate appreciate all you guys.
	Thank you very much.

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