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June 6, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live
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OSL 109 - Trump Musk Feud Goes Ballastic And Creates MAGA Uproar
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It's just one of those days where you don't want to wake up.
Everything is everybody sucks.
You don't really know why, but you wanna justify someone's head off.
No human contact.
And if you went to ract, your life is on contract.
Your best bet is stay away, mother.
It's just one of those days.
It's all about the heat says he says bulls.
Slip.
It's all about the he's said bulls.
It's just one of those days.
Damn my homaniac.
You better watch your back, cause I'm f***ing up your program.
And if you're stuck up, you just locked up.
That's the line to get f***ed up.
Your best bet is a straighter.
Stay away, motherfucker.
It's just one of those days.
It's all about the heat says he says boost.
I think you better quit.
Slick.
Or you can leave it with a bad lip.
It's all about the heat says he says boost.
I think you better quit.
Talking that.
Uh feel like she might.
My suggestion is to keep your distance.
Right now I'm dangerous.
We've all felt like been treated like treated like all those motherfuckers I hope they know.
I pack a chicken soul.
Give me your ass fall.
And if my dick keeps going this way, I just might break some in the night.
Back a chainsaw.
Can you ass wall?
And if my day keeps going this way at this way, break something tonight.
I'm packing saw.
Your ass wrong.
And if my day keeps going this way at this mate, break your breaking face tonight.
Give me something free.
Give me something free.
Just give me something break.
I got some face.
I hope you know the recording soul.
So come and get it.
It's all about the heat says he says boost.
I think you better quit.
Slip.
Or you can leave it with a bad lip.
It's all about the heat says he says bulls.
I think you better quit.
Talking that so come and get it.
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Alright, well.
The story is obvious.
With the Donald Trump Elon Musk feud today.
And there's all kinds of different opinions.
There's all kinds of different opinions.
And I spent about two hours on the InfoWars War Room today.
Breaking down my opinions and what I think is going on.
But I wanted to come on here and do a little uh extra broadcast, a little extra transmission.
And see what you think.
So this is all about the calls tonight.
as i get the phone lines ready to go And I'm sure we'll get all kinds of different theories tonight.
From the whole thing is fake.
To Musk is going scorched earth to I'm done with Musk, I'm done with Trump.
I'm sure we'll get it all.
Really, though, it's been quite fun, I must say.
It's been quite fun.
It's been quite entertaining.
And as Rush used to say, we're having more fun than a human being is.
should be allowed to have.
And boy, is that the truth today.
So now, unfortunately for people, um, they tend to take politics a little too personally with this stuff.
And uh the intense debate and conflict gets a little too heavy for some people.
Not here.
Not here.
We're open-minded, we're open phone lines, and we're always a stable genius.
And we're always enjoying life, most importantly.
But the political implications of all of this are obviously very heavy.
And so that's why it's a big story.
And I think that most people would say, you know, and I feel this way.
I like Donald Trump and I like Elon Musk.
I support both of them.
I understand where both of them are coming from, but I can be a fair and neutral and honest observer because I'm not fighting for access from anybody.
I'm not fighting for credit or anything like that.
I'm just here.
I'm I'm not loyal to anybody.
I'm loyal to one thing, and that's the truth.
That's it.
I'm loyal to one thing, and that's the truth, and that's my audience that I'm blessed enough to have.
And I'm blessed enough to have a platform to have an audience.
So I'm loyal to the truth.
So I'm not loyal to Musk or Trump as a person.
I'm not involved in a cult of personality.
I'm not part of a paid digital influence campaign.
I don't, I don't promote political propaganda.
And unfortunately, even in the new media world, that is becoming rare yet again.
So we kind of had this small period of time where X was truly organic or independent media, alternative media was truly organic.
A lot of it now is bought and paid for, or people fighting for access, or people fighting to prove their loyalty to get access, or they just think that that's what will keep them relevant.
So that's where we're at.
But I'm I'm just here to take calls.
I'm just here to take your calls.
I already did my coverage today on the InfoWars War Room.
I was proud of the work we did today, big day.
And so I'm just here to hear what you think.
And it's funny too.
Um, and I and I got some other things that we may pull up too for uh for a laugh, like um some memes.
There were some good memes that came from this.
And um AOC offered a little commentary from the uh Capital Steps today, in typical fashion.
So you got all that going on, but we're having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
And I just want to get you in on it.
I just want to have that fun with you here tonight.
So I'm just taking calls.
That's it.
We'll be here for about an hour or so taking calls on this.
We might look at some funny memes that came from this and some other developing news.
Should there be any?
I will say this, though.
It's funny when I do see this stuff, and this is more of a general observation, but I'm seeing it again tonight with this story.
Okay.
How people report things that just simply do not exist.
And this comes this comes with like this loyalty battle.
It comes with, I see it all the time.
I see it all the time, and and really all you can do is ignore it.
But it's this weird thing where like I see it all the time on X, where I'll post something, like I'll post I'll post X plus Y, and then somebody says, geez, well, how could you talk about Z like that?
I'm like, nobody even mentioned Z. So you have some weird thing in your head where you just are obsessed with Z. I I said X and Y, I didn't even mention Z. So people always read into things or pull things out that don't exist.
Like here's an example.
And I get it's all in it's all like interpretation.
But Elon Musk, I have not seen, did not call Donald Trump a pedophile.
I did not see that.
And I see all these people saying, why would Elon Musk say Trump is a pedophile?
He didn't.
He just literally didn't.
He said he was on the Epstein list, which is just true.
But that's old news.
The beauty of this, if you are one of the people that thinks it's nothing but a ruse, you now have Democrats, the official Democrat Party, multiple Democrats in Congress, and the Democrat Party propaganda agents all now calling for the Epstein release.
And now everybody hates this bill.
I mean, this bill seems dead on arrival.
The Senate will try to work something, and then they'll send it back to the House.
But now the House doesn't even have the votes either.
So the whole thing, the whole thing is just it's it's just busted, which I don't even look.
If you're gonna hold me high, this our government is so corrupt, and this country has been so bent over and raped politically that you're you're gonna sit here and hold me hostage over this bill.
Pass this bill, or you won't get tax cuts.
Pass this bill, or you won't get mass deportations.
Uh you know, pass this bill, or you can't breathe air.
It's just I'm I'm so sick of this crap, man.
I'm not gonna be held hostage over a bill.
Fine, you know what?
You you want to crush the country?
Go ahead.
Fine.
Just just go ahead.
Go ahead.
Crus the country because you can't get your 1,100 page pork bill passed.
AI Skynet bill passed.
Go ahead.
Fine.
Hold us all hostage.
Just rape us a little more.
You know.
All in bad taste.
So I'm not playing that game.
I'm not playing this loyalty game.
I'm not playing choose a side game.
You can, though.
Because this is all about you tonight.
I'm taking the call.
So let's just pipe down, Schroyer.
Let's just go ahead and pipe down.
Phone lines are officially open.
What are your thoughts on all of the drama today?
747, 25560.
And we will get you up and on the air.
I think I'm going to stick with this camera here.
This one, the color looks off on this one.
Although do it look I think look kind of tan.
But I'm probably not really that tan.
I'd like to think I am, but I'm probably well, I don't think I'm that white either.
I'm probably a happy medium.
So here we go then.
Here's how it goes.
It's line to line.
I pick up the phone, you're on the air.
I just ask you your name and where you're from, but we are on the air.
So first caller of the night.
What's your name?
Where you're from.
Uh Ethan, I'm from Jacksonville.
Um, I just wanted to shout out the uh Thomas Massey post on Instagram coming out about or sorry, X about a month ago, or about end of May, kind of explaining what happened already.
So yeah, I played that clip on the uh the war room today.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, I missed that part.
Well, that's all I had, but yeah, it just kind of seems a little bit fake and stage.
I think he's probably the only one that's been consistent is Thomas Nash.
Yeah, and you know, that's it's that's one of those things that kind of um looks bad for Trump from my perspective.
Massey has been right.
He's been proven right on multiple issues.
He was proven right multiple times about Mike Johnson and continued resolutions.
He was proven uh right about that twice.
And then Trump attacks him, and Massey is really popular in his district.
Trump says, oh, he's not even popular.
He's massively popular, no pun intended.
Um so I don't know.
Trump does get that one wrong.
But yeah, in March, in March.
Yeah.
Yeah, in March, Massey said there's about to be a collision here.
There's about to be a collision at the intersection politically between Musk, Trump, and Johnson's last Congress, and now here we are.
So yeah, Massey, uh Massey had that one uh months ago, and now uh yet Again, he's been proven right.
Thank you for the call.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where are you from?
So Zach Coakley from Knoxville, Tennessee.
All right.
Zach, go ahead.
All right.
So I mean, I know there's a lot of uh Musk fans out there, and I the MAGA movement needed him because we needed we needed a lot of money.
He's a smart genius, one of the best geniuses and businessmen of our time.
But Trump created the MAGA movement.
And right now, whether you can say I've heard that he was mad that he wasn't getting the EV subsidies, that he didn't get the Starlink contract because it looked like a conflict of interest, whatever it is, he shouldn't be handling it the way he's handling it.
Right now, Trump's having to deal with so much stuff.
I I think he's so much stuff's going on with Lindsey Graham, Pompeo going over to Ukraine.
I honestly maybe Trump knew about that, but I kind of don't think he did.
I think they went over there to stir that up.
And you know Lindsey Graham's gonna try to stuff some funding for Ukraine in to that big bill.
Everybody's trying to stuff what they can into that bill.
And Trump just needs the bill to pass to start the deportations.
I don't look, I get it.
I understand that the permanent political class is all out of control with the spending.
But I'm at the point now where it's like if it comes down to the bill passing, I want to start seeing people arrested for corruption.
There's gonna be no more excuses.
I want to see the mass deportations, mass, mass deportations start.
How much faith do you have that that will actually happen?
I mean, at this point, man, I think everybody in the MAGA movement is losing hope.
I mean, you know, like you got Dan Bongino and Cash Patel when that they were on all these podcasts, and you thought, man, when they get in there, and then seeing them get on there and just completely different people, yeah, man.
I'm not convinced that you know, that it's not just ran by uh, you know, a shadow government.
And but here's the thing is it too corrupt to save.
I you know, uh, I don't know.
I think we're at that point where we're gonna find out.
But I mean, I've been at the point where if Trump doesn't get in here and make a difference, I'll be just like I was before 2016 and Trump got in there.
It, you know, it's all for show.
They, you know, does our vote matter?
I don't know.
I think it's our last hope, so I think everybody needs to stick with Trump.
And I do think that he's uh, you know, I don't know how many uh allies we have in the world, but I don't know how many allies Trump actually has within the government.
He's fighting the Democrats, he's fighting the neocons and rhinos.
It's a lot.
So very bad timing for the must stuff to happen right now.
And you know, just another another day in 2025.
Well, you know, look, I do about I I probably say I do at least 90% positive coverage of Trump, maybe even 95.
Um hundred percent anything, you have to be suspicious of, and now you're getting into cult territory.
So we're not we're not gonna engage in that.
You know, here's my problem with with directly a couple of the things you said.
I feel that it's a lie.
I think that it's a lie when we're told that we have to pass this bill to get these things done.
And and if it's not a just an outright lie, it's the same tactics that the Democrats and the Republicans too.
It's the same tactics that the SWAP uses to hold us hostage to get a bill passed.
What do you mean I have to pass a bad bill or a good bill to have basic law enforcement when it comes to deportations?
What do you mean I have to have 1100 pages of a bill that Congress can't even read before they vote on to get tax cuts?
So I I think at the worst, it's just an outright lie.
At best, it's just the swamp tactics in selling us a bill that is uh that is not good.
I agree.
I've been seeing it, you know.
We always hear from uh the speaker, oh, we gotta do this CR this time, and then changes will start happening.
And yeah, you're right, and nothing seems like it does it ever happen.
So yeah, I agree a hundred percent.
And I also think the other problem, the other problem that the MAGA movement is having, just just at large, you see, there's this big pressure cooker right now.
There's a pressure cooker in American politics, and it's because the vast majority of Americans have now realized there is a criminal mafia that runs our politics.
They run our politics, they run our politicians, they run Washington, D.C. And if you just look at the Trump phenomenon, you know, they've done everything to try to stop Trump from becoming president because he is his own man.
Whether you agree with you know him as president or his policies, that that's a separate issue.
He's his own man, and so they tried to stop him in 2016.
We saw everything they threw against him then.
They did everything they can to sabotage his first administration, the impeachment hoaxes, everything else.
They spied on him, then they stole an election from him, then they tried to imprison him, then they tried to kill him.
And so it's all part of this larger criminal mafia that runs our country, maybe runs our planet.
And so everybody knows that now.
And it's like this giant anvil that is just sitting up there, or it's like this pressure cooker that we keep getting more air into it, and it's almost like you feel like a valve was just released today, in a way.
But it's like this pressure cooker.
It's like everybody knows this is the case.
Everybody knows there's a group of criminal psychopaths that run our country, and this is what we really want to address, and this is what we really want to solve, and this is how we really want to make America great again.
And yet we've never seen more for more fervor from the Trump administration than to get this bill passed, and most of us don't even care.
Maybe the bill's great, maybe it's not.
It's not even about that.
It's about why are you sitting here giving us so much so much political capital, so much political propaganda, so much force of will about this bill, great or not, this isn't this isn't it for us.
This isn't gonna relieve the pressure from us.
We're not gonna listen to the excuses.
There's a criminal enterprise that runs our country.
We want them arrested.
That's what we want.
That's what we want the energy behind.
That's what we want the fervor behind.
And we don't want to hear, oh, we have to do this bill to get it done.
No, that ain't that ain't selling.
Yeah.
And I agree you with the the even the the name, the big beautiful bill, it feels phony to me.
And I get it.
It feels phony.
I guess it's that last hope.
But here's the thing, man.
This country will not be the same if we do not see arrests for corruption.
And the thing is, like we know that there's this criminal enterprise running our government, but if nothing's gonna happen, you're telling me that Tish James is the only one that has like some uh loan, you know, fraud charges on her.
That's it.
I mean, come on, man.
Well, and I'm wondering corruption for days.
Yeah, and I'm wondering today, too, and I thank you for the call.
Comer came out and announced in the, you know, in in the fog of all the chaos today, um, subpoenas have been filed against the Biden doctor that lied about his health, and then also took Kareen Jean-Pierre, and Comer is calling on them to testify in front of Congress by the end of June.
So originally it was gonna be behind closed door testimonies, and who knows what was gonna happen.
And then in in the haze of the craziness today, Comer came out and said, we're gonna get Kareen Jean-Pierre and uh I forget the doctor's name, Biden's doctor who lie about his health on the presidential letterhead, that we're gonna get both of them to testify today.
So that was kind of a big story that happened in the craziness.
And I'm wondering if maybe Trump didn't make a call.
It it could just be that's how the timing of it worked out.
But I'm wondering if if Trump didn't make a call and said, you know, hey, uh, I gotta, I gotta get something here.
You know, I I gotta get some political victory here.
Can we call in the autopen scandal?
Can we call in the Biden cancer cover-up scandal?
Can we get something in front of the American people?
I gotta give them something today.
And then Comer comes out with that kind of in the uh kind of you couldn't hear it in the noise of everything else.
But it's like obviously that needs to happen, and that's a good thing that that's gonna happen.
Uh but it's just like you're not gonna be able to throw MAGA a bone or some red meat.
That's not, again, we're we've already had the first four years.
We want arrests.
President Trump has a cre has accused this criminal enterprise, specifically the Democrat Party, of committing treason.
We agree.
So how is it that we have people committing treason multiple times and no arrests?
And that's the pressure cooker.
So every day, it doesn't even matter.
I mean, the the the craziness that happened today, it could be irrelevant by next week.
Every day that passes, and you don't have deep state arrests or or even an Epstein client list, whatever it is, the pressure, the pressure cooker just keeps going like this.
It just keeps going like this.
And I don't know, maybe today was a bit of a release.
Maybe today was a symptom of it.
Maybe today jolted it up.
But that's what we're in.
We're in the pressure cooker where everybody knows a criminal enterprise runs our country, and yet it's like we just got Trump in, we got all his people in, and it's like we can't do anything about it.
We just we just can't do it.
The Biden bring Biden administration brought in 20 million illegal immigrants.
They just did it.
But we can't deport him.
So it's just the pressure cooker just keeps building.
All right, next caller.
What's your name?
Where you're from.
My name's Kevin.
Can you hear me?
Yes, Kevin, we have you.
Yeah, I talked to you earlier in the week.
So um, I think this is actually a a setup squeeze.
I mean, you had uh Lindsay Graham over there, Bloom ethal.
I think they're putting a squeeze on Johnson to some degree.
I think they've been doing it anyway.
And um, it was set up to fail.
I think they automatically put things in there because they were all in the room when the bill was discussed.
I think they put stuff in there that was passionate towards um Trump and passionate towards Elon, and they've played him against each other.
I think absolutely Johnson is a new con and uh needs to be removed.
I think uh Kevin McCarty would have actually did uh better.
Yeah, well, there's no doubt Mike Johnson is a disaster, and this was kind of my big point on the InfoWars War Room today was we warned Trump about Speaker Johnson from the very get-go.
You know, we we gave we gave Mike Johnson a chance when he replaced Kevin McCarthy, and he pretty much we pretty much figured that he wasn't worth he wasn't worth his weight in political capital uh by the by the end of the first month of his term as speaker.
And so here we are.
We knew this guy was a loser.
We knew this guy was a was a was a spineless invertebrae, and now Trump is riding with him over Musk.
And I guess there's a pragmatic approach of saying, well, he's the speaker of the house, I gotta work with him.
But I mean, this isn't politics as usual.
And the MAGA, the MAGA Trump base does not like Speaker Johnson.
And now, as you said, whether intentional or not, Speaker Johnson is the one that set this thing up for failure.
Speaker Johnson is the one that has caused this absolute disaster of a bill to become such a turning point in the MAGA movement.
So it this is all on Speaker Johnson.
He's a he's a feckless coward, he's a horrible leader, and and if he was a good leader, he could be he could be in the process of solving this problem right now, and he could draw it all back down, and he could say, okay, here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna dissect this bill, we're gonna go line by line them, line by line, and we're going to prioritize things like tax cuts, we're gonna prioritize things like mass deportations, whatever the big priorities are, we're gonna get these things passed, we're gonna have single-issue bills, and we can do it all in an hour, and then we can go into some of this other stuff that that requires uh a thousand one hundred pages to fill a bill with.
So he could do that.
He could have done that today, he could do that tomorrow, but he's not going to, because he has no leadership abilities, or he just has no will to make America great again.
Yes, and a big bill is nothing but an omnibus.
And American people don't like that.
And I think that's clear.
I think that that's been proven clear.
Thank you for the call.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where you're from?
Yeah, hey Owen, how are you doing?
This is Alvin from Pennsylvania Future.
How are you doing, man?
Go ahead.
Hey, so check it out.
Just role play with me for one second, Owen.
Regarding Mike Johnson.
All right, pretend you're at Femway Park, right?
He's on the UA team.
Let's say the Yankees, all right.
Whereas sitting there at 11 o'clock in the morning, day game.
Mike Johnson comes up.
He now said goes like this.
Just be in the moment.
Just hear me out.
Next up.
The right fielder.
Jumping.
And then the audience is like, oh, fuck that guy.
Who fucking cares?
I got the fucking faggot.
Who cares?
How's that one?
Would you agree?
I don't get it.
Well, I'm just saying, Mike Johnson fucking sucks.
Yeah.
So what's the Fenway Park analogy?
Well, it's it's kind of uh it's just you have to kind of be there.
I don't know.
I was just there recently.
I just think the people there are talk funny, and it's just it's it's hilarious, Owen.
It really is.
Um but nonetheless, um, yeah, I agree.
I think uh Elon and uh Trump and and all this other stuff going on.
It's just uh I I you you you can't have two dominated personalities fighting over the same one.
Well, maybe if we could if we could boil it down to a simpleton explanation, yeah.
You have two ego maniacal narcissists that uh there was never going to be enough room for the both of them, as they say.
Um I agree with you, Fenway Park is awesome.
Uh, but you need to work on your shtick a little bit.
Just work on it a little bit for us.
We deserve better.
I appreciate the call.
That was not the real Albert, in case you didn't know.
That's the caller that impersonates Albert.
Not his best impersonation.
He's definitely done better work.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where you from?
Is you owen?
Yes.
Hey man, thank you for taking my call.
Thank you for the work that you're doing.
It's a blessing that I even got in the air because I've been dialing this mofo like a like a mofo.
I only I only got one line here in my studio, so it's yeah, it's it's tougher to get on.
Anyway, I just want to say you you were talking about earlier uh what's going on between Trump and Elon.
And I thought it had occurred to me that we're just feeding the beast.
You know what I mean?
This beast that truly is the enemy, which is AI.
Now I think AI is really what's causing this rift between all of us.
But AI is much more than a bunch of lines of computer code that are manipulating the people to do what it wants.
If you've seen the newest mission of Baltimore movie, I would recommend it.
It's great.
But it speaks about AI and what it gets humanity, namely Ethan Hunt to do.
And I think this whole rift between Donald Trump and Elon Musk, our uh anger.
As American citizens, what's going on?
The money being stolen.
I think we're being manipulated by this entity, which isn't really an entity itself.
Well, all right, okay.
But where where is the practical example of it in this situation?
What's going on today?
But where between the city.
Where's the AI?
Yeah, where's the AI factor?
I couldn't tell you, brother.
Yeah.
So I don't I I don't I don't I don't buy that.
I I think that I think that overall, what you're talking about is a real thing.
And you can kind of see on X specifically, there's all these different AI bots that will get in there and cause conflict and cause ri and cause rifts between people.
So that is happening.
I don't see that with this situation.
This to me is is organic, or if you think it's a ruse, whatever.
I I mean, this is between Speaker Johnson, Elon Musk, and Donald Trump.
I mean, that's what this is.
So I don't think anybody think I don't know, maybe you think Elon Musk is AI.
So I get what you're saying that that is an issue.
I just don't think that's the issue here.
Now there's the issue of the AI portion of the bill that a lot of Republicans, now that they've seen it, are going to stand against and won't vote for the bill that has that in there.
So that is a relevant topic, but I don't think the issue of AI getting in here and causing this riff is the problem.
I don't I don't think that's the case at all.
Um I have heard the new Mission Impossible is a is a really good movie.
I'm actually a big fan of Tom Cruise movies, but for some reason I've never gotten into the Mission Impossible movies.
I don't know.
They never did it for me.
And I and I'm a big Tom Cruise fan.
I I like many of his movies.
Many of his movies are some of my favorite movies of all time.
But I have heard good things about that.
So I'll have to uh I'll have to check that one out.
I I've heard good things.
Haven't seen it but uh I'll probably have to check that one out.
All right next caller what's your name where you from yeah this is Bob from Ohio.
All right Bob.
Hey so um got a question for you.
So I heard uh Peter Johns come out say working off for 14 months.
Yeah.
Yeah well how come they can't work 14 14 days is like ha a half a month of their work you know well that's one angle to put on it that the thing that I found strange was the selling point which I viewed as political propaganda.
Again I you know I I don't get heartbroken over this stuff but you know Steven Miller is one of my favorite people involved in politics.
He's one of my favorite people involved in the Trump administration and that and that really hasn't changed but it was a little you know it was it was not good.
He was promoting political propaganda today.
And I'm sure Trump put him up to it and they said oh this whole thing is Trump's Trump constructed it's all Trump's thing and then and then Johnson comes out and says oh we've been working on it for 14 months well then what so then how is it Trump's thing if it's been in the works for 14 months that doesn't even make sense.
So somebody's lying here for president I I I don't mind that I don't either at least speaker at least speaker.
Yeah at this point no Johnson is just he is just such a failure he should just resign at this point.
This thing this thing has been such a debacle this this thing has gone so bad that Johnson should just resign I mean he's just awful I mean Kevin McCarthy was better.
And I'm not saying it was a bad move.
I'm not saying it was a bad move to get rid of McCarthy.
I I liked it and I and I was hoping it would end up with a good result.
We got a bad result.
We made the right move but we got a bad result.
So it should have been Matt Gates from MTG and they got and they got stopped but yeah Johnson is officially worse than Kevin McCarthy and I don't even think it's close actually I don't even think it's close.
Next caller what's your name where you from so it should have been from MTG are you talking to Nate?
Yes I'm talking to you.
Hey man how's it going brother?
Yeah I mean everything to me seems a little fishy.
It seems to me like they're looking for you know once Elon got into the mix he realized that the swamp was real.
You know I think he stood outside of it and thought that it was just some kind of a thing but once he got into the DC gulag and realized that the whole thing was just a game of smoke and mirrors I think it kissed him off.
And I think that Trump's art of the deal is really kind of the key.
That's where he motivates himself from and I think that there's been some misrepresentation of people giving him the information that he needs to be able to be successful.
Now the whole petty whiny cray everybody shooting things off at each other and the Epstein and the you know the whole X nightmare I think is I think that's just egos.
I think at the end of the day I mean what it really comes down to is that is it plausible to really clean this mess that is DC.
And I think that that's really what it comes down to.
What's your thoughts?
Absolutely where there is a will there is a way and I think that it's just deep and I think that once real you know once Elon put his foot into that pool he realized that it was just he's like are you kidding me?
You know and I think and I think to it to expand on that a little bit and this is where the cult of personality comes into play and a lot of people and you know I'm not trying to be insulting here.
I think it just is what it is.
I think a lot of people that um let me try to say this kindly because I don't want to be insulting I think a lot of people with low political IQ that um are reactionary and and more into the loyalties or the cult of personalities than just dealing with reality and they they have a tr they have trouble getting over bias.
I think that boomers it's not just boomers.
I I see a lot of it from all different types on X. And so I think that um I think that they're kind of missing they're they're missing the obvious which is what you just got into to open the call.
I think Musk Musk probably had a bigger will than President Trump to drain the swamp.
And I think that this is I think that this is now the thing this is now the realization that a lot of big time MAGA supporters and Trump supporters are struggling to cope with.
I think that that's what it is.
I think they're struggling to cope with this and to me the way I look at it is it's kind of an undeniable phenomenon right now is that Musk seems to have more will to drain the swamp than Trump.
And so that's that's kind of how I see it.
Don't you think well yeah Musk got in there but Musk I mean Trump Trump comes forward comes from the business world successes.
Yeah but Trump comes from the business world too so I don't really think that one flies with me.
I think that Musk got in there and I I think that you know he spent a lot of time it it cost him it cost him a lot he brought in the Doge team and they did all this great work and then basically they just get told okay your time here is done and um we're not going to cut anything.
anything.
Here's the door.
Right.
And so I think that, I think that must, I think really rained on his parade ultimately.
Yeah.
And especially with the investment, you know, that he had into this whole journey.
And, and look, and I get it too.
And I get it too from the perspective of, you know, if I work on a big project and sometimes it happens in media and you kind of have to deal with it.
But if I work on a big project and I bring in a big crew and I ask them to work long, hard hours on a project and we complete the project and then we don't get to use the project that sucks.
Hey look I I gotta I gotta I gotta put you on hold for a second I want to hear what Caroline Levitt she's speaking on Hannity about this.
For 90 minutes mostly about trade um I think it looks like they're switching countries I've always known we'd get to this point.
I've always believed that China will need access to our markets and it's in everybody's best interest to come to a deal can you give a give us any insight into that phone call all right well sure as the president sat on truth social and also discussed in the Oval Office today this was a good productive call and he has it looks like uh we missed um we missed Levitt commenting on the Trump Musk thing.
You know I'll I'll just say this and and and it is what it is.
With with people like Caroline Levitt and Steven Miller and a lot of the members of the Trump team that are that are really well respected and really well liked we're they better be we gotta be careful here.
And I know they're gonna do what Trump tells them to do people like Caroline Levitt and I'm not and this isn't I'm not trying to be an alarmist here.
I'm not trying to be an alarmist here I'm just trying to issue a fair warning.
You're quickly going to go the way of Kareen Jean Pierre you are quickly going to be in the same ilk of a Korean Jean Pierre where if you just start slinging presidential White House propaganda you're gonna lose a lot of respect.
And again I'm not I'm not being an alarmist we're nowhere near that point right now but but today was to me today was the first time where I mean you just got straight up political propaganda from the Trump administration about this bill.
There there's no other way to put it that's what it was and and once you've done that again I still like Stephen Miller I think he's still one of the best people in DC.
I like Caroline Levitt I think she does a great job.
But it's like now it's like once you've sold me political propaganda once I'm just like I can never look at you the same and that might just be me but I doubt I'm alone in that boat.
But I can once once you just sling political propaganda at at at at the behest of whoever it is there's no going back.
You can't erase that you can never erase that scar off your reputation and now a lot of people have that scar and it's not going anywhere.
anything else?
Yeah, what I would like to say is that you're absolutely right.
I think that, you know, the mandate that we voted for was for movement.
And it just seems to me like now we're in the space of this nowhere land.
Yeah, and you know what?
Here's here.
I didn't, I was gonna post this on X and I ended up not posting it.
So maybe I'll just say it now.
So uh, you know, get get your get your clips ready here.
Fuck the government, and I voted for Trump to fuck the government.
That's it.
And I don't think I'm alone.
And that's what MAGA means to me.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where you're from.
Uh, this is Joseph Vegas.
How you doing?
All right, Joseph.
Good.
Go ahead.
Uh good.
Uh just uh speaking of scar, I just wanted to know uh what do you think about Elon Musk and the black guy?
I heard it was uh Scott Bess and knocked him out or something.
Uh I've heard I've heard I've heard I've heard rumors.
I don't know, I don't even I don't even think it's worth talking about, honestly.
And and to me, I I can't, I can't settle on anything, so I'm not even gonna go there.
There's some rumors, but I I'm not even gonna comment.
All right, all right.
Um what's it called?
Anna Paulina Luna, Ivanka Trump, uh Elena Abba, who are you taking home for the weekend.
It was uh I'm sorry, I don't even want to.
Who is it?
What is it?
Yvonka Trump, Alina Abba, and Anna Paulina Luna.
Yeah, uh actually, actually, that's not even that hard.
Anna Paulina Luna, 10 out of 10 times, I would say.
I'm not I'm not such a fan of the other two anymore, uh, to be quite frank.
Yeah.
Uh next caller, what's your name?
Where you're from.
I'm not such a fan of next caller.
David and Austin.
All right, David, go ahead.
I got a question for you.
Do you think we can actually see meaningful change um through political means at this point?
Like, yes, yes, I absolutely do.
If I didn't if I didn't believe that, I wouldn't do what I do.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do this if I thought that.
I absolutely believe we can, but again, somebody has to have the will to do it.
And and I get it.
Look, I'm not sitting here in judgment of Trump.
He's the man in the arena.
He he's you know, he's the one that chose to put it all on the line.
So this isn't even, I'm not even casting casting aspersions on Trump here.
But I mean, but absolutely, absolutely, you know, and I I made a speech at a Lincoln Day event last month, and I I basically, this was kind of the thrust of my speech that you know Abraham Lincoln did a lot of controversial things.
Abraham Lincoln did a lot of things that would be argued as unconstitutional.
He did a lot of things that would be probably even argued as bad, and yet he's considered one of the greatest presidents of all time.
And if if you look at the results of some of the things that he did, which might have been bad, they ended up good.
Now, I don't know if that's a perfect comparison because I think it was obviously a lot different time.
But the point being they were in a civil war.
We are in a cold civil war.
That is a very real thing.
We are in a cold civil war, and so yeah, you know what?
Donald Trump might just have to tell the DOJ, go arrest Judge Boasberg.
Donald Trump might just have to tell the DOJ, go arrest Ron Klain.
And and and they'll be crying and wailing about due process and and you know, prosecutorial rights and everything.
I don't care.
I do not care.
These are corrupt criminals that have committed crimes against our country.
And Trump has said it.
He says you do not commit a crime when acting in defense of your country.
And I'm I'm I'm paraphrasing it or I'm getting it a little bit wrong, but he's 100% right.
So so yeah, you know what?
I get it, and and Trump can make up his own mind.
So he can either be the agent of change and do the bad things that need to be done for the greater good, or you know, his next four years will come and go, and whatever.
We'll see what is we'll see what his legacy is.
But it's not it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be Um, it's not gonna be like an Abraham Lincoln.
It'll just be kind of a cultural thing.
It'll be kind of a patriotic thing.
But as far as an agent of change, he's not gonna be that guy.
He can be if he wants to be, but not right now.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree entirely.
I think that's how it feels.
We had a cultural shift, and that's about it.
You know, where the migration or where the deportations we still are like Ukraine's going on.
We have all the the Israel conflict that we're still right supporting.
Like I want I want meaningful change abroad and um Yeah.
You know what?
And and this is it too, because I and even I think I might even be overselling how difficult it is.
It's actually not even that hard when you think about it.
It's actually not even that hard.
Look, you can go to the USAID website.
Now they're cutting that.
Cut it all.
Cut it all.
We send hundreds of billions of dollars to foreign countries every year.
Don't send another dime.
That's not hard to do.
Just do it.
Do it.
Who's gonna complain about that?
And whoever it is, ignore them.
Look at Letitia James.
Open and shut case mortgage fraud.
Why hasn't she been shackled?
Open and shut.
I mean, there's stuff sitting on the desk.
Get it done.
Get it done.
And it's just not these are easy things you can do to be an agent of change.
These are things that aren't even controversial that you can do as an agent of change.
Not doing it.
So I don't know.
That that's that's his call, not mine.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where are you from?
Hey, um flatliner from Milwaukee.
What's up, big O?
All right, flatliner.
Yeah, uh kind of want to just time in like I I was uh talking with uh Harrison and some other people about this, and I wanted to hear your opinion on it.
Like with um why are governments so like gay and retarded and fucked up.
You know, and it's kind of like the loaded question, obviously, because it's like, where do you want to start?
You know, that's why we call it the rabbit hole, because it just keeps going and going and going.
It's like, what's good in our government now?
You know, and like necessarily not necessarily, I'm like not necessarily blaming Trump.
You know, he's doing what he's kidding, he's trying to blow his freaking head off.
And you know, obviously, you know, you get two alphas in a room like Trump and Musk, they're gonna butt heads.
And then there's people who are saying this is all grand theater, maybe maybe not, you know.
Um, but this Epstein stuff, you know, like you've been following him now.
You're a professional at this uh for so long, you know, now big old like there's so much stuff they're not covering, and it's I think uh the issue is obviously uh the Israeli issue where it's just it's so sensey for them, you know.
Like no one talks about with Epstein like that morning.
Remember Owen on Twitter how there was like a giant frickin' armored truck just like booking it through New York, and they got it on video and it went right from the jail in the morning to the airport private jet um runway and a learjet went right to Israel, you know, or like the whole thing of like obviously Epstein having billions and billions of dollars and all these science connections and leverage, he's gonna have a body double.
You know, you think Saddam has a body double, there's gonna be a body double, and you're gonna have a plan to fake your death like they always do, like the Saudi Sheiks have, like the czar's had, like Hitler had.
Obviously, they're gonna have that.
And my proof for that is like who's smoking Jeffrey?
Why are there still these assassinations going on and this money and like uh the estate operating and money being made with Palantir, you know, and even which by the way, now it's all mainstream news.
Now it's all mainstream news, Epstein's connection to Palantir, and so this all breaks at the same time.
Yikes.
You know, it's like it's it, and I also think it's tied in with AI.
That's why this stuff is bringing on.
They have an AI designed, obviously, to mess with us and fuck with our heads and do all this propaganda.
I don't think they've been writing it.
You know, I don't think there's actually I think they're contributing and I they're steering it and using it to advantage, but it's it's the ultimate mind control tool, you know.
Well, and I I think I think people tend to um, you know, people tend and they just can't help it.
They tend to try to tie the Israel issue into everything, and I don't really I don't really buy into that.
I don't really agree with that train of thought.
Um But having said that, it is it is.
Well, yeah, well, it's definitely one of the biggest issues of our time.
I mean, there's no doubt it's one of the biggest issues of our time.
And it's not even popular anymore to support Israel.
And it's become so cringe at this point.
They shot themselves in the foot.
Well, and Netanyahu has been a horrible leader for Israel.
Netanyahu, the American people, we should be spitting on the ground ahead of Netanyahu.
We should be so disgusted with Netanyahu, the lies he's told.
The lies that he's told to our Congress to get American blood and treasure spilled in the Middle East are disgusting.
Netanyahu should go down in American history as one of the greatest enemies that this country has ever had.
Um, so that's how propaganda works.
They they take your biggest enemy and they tell you he's he's your ally.
But this is fading fast.
And quite frankly, you know, here's my other problem, too, because I just want to kind of cover all the angles on this sensitive topic.
They the the Israeli lobby and the corrupt Israelis have have had a master class of propaganda where they've now convinced people that being critical of Israel is somehow anti-Semitism.
Obviously, that's a lie.
And beyond it being a lie, it is an extremely dangerous precedent that anybody that has an intellectual uh brain cell should realize is extremely dangerous.
But this is what they've done.
Now the problem is because of people like Mark Levin, and maybe Netanyahu, but he's an Israeli.
But be well, I guess I guess Netanyahu's probably an American too, actually.
But because of people like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro, now you have this situation where they claim to speak for all Jews.
They claim that all Jews think the same, talk the same, and are all like them.
And it's just not true.
It is just not true.
Many American Jews aren't even political.
They don't even think about Israel.
They couldn't even care less about Israel.
Probably the majority of people.
Probably the majority of them don't even think about Israel or care about Israel, couldn't care less about Israel.
I mean, that was my experience growing up.
And I still have plenty of Jewish friends that I'll even get into debates with about Israel and Zionism.
And it's perfectly fine.
They don't freak out and go into this crazy diatribe about anti-Semitism or Iran or all this stuff.
They're just they just can have normal conversation like normal people.
Like there was this clip the other day, and I could even play it, but it's just like it's getting bad.
The Israeli agents are exposing themselves.
The Israeli first people that have infiltrated the MAGA movement, infiltrated the conservative movement, they're all exposing themselves.
And and there's this, there's one of them named Emily Austin, and she's speaking at an event, and she goes, Oh, well, I'll always defend Israel, but from right here in America.
Well, see, isn't that the problem?
Isn't that the problem?
Because in order to be an American, you're supposed to be an American.
So if you're here and you're an Israeli first, then you're not an American to me.
You're an Israeli.
So go move to Israel.
I'm not playing this game anymore.
And neither are conservatives.
The game is up.
The gig is up.
It's over.
And Netanyahu is cooking you now because of what he's doing in the Gaza Strip.
Oh, I will fight here in America forever for Israel.
What?
We're fighting for America.
What do you mean you're gonna fight?
Oh, oh, I see.
You're gonna fight for Israel from the comfort of America.
Isn't that convenient?
You're gonna fight for Israel from the nice comfort of America, and you're gonna infiltrate conservative politics, and you're gonna infiltrate Congress, and you're gonna use America as a nice buffer zone for you to get us into Israelis' wars and Israel's conflicts and all the hatred that Israel has has motivated around the world.
And you're gonna be here seated nice and comfortable in America while you do it.
It's disgusting.
But the funny thing is, now that everybody's starting to turn on Levin, Emily Austin says this.
I don't know what event she was speaking at.
She says, Oh, I'll be here fighting for Israel right here in America, and nobody clapped and she walked off the stage.
It's like read the room.
Dude, they're killing kids.
Read every room.
Read the room.
And this goes for Muslims, this goes for Jews, this goes for anybody that comes here.
Leave your hatred on the other side of the planet.
Leave, if you're gonna come to America, then bring your loyalty here.
Leave your hatred there.
Leave your conflict there and bring your loyalty here.
And if you're not willing to do that, then you're not an American.
By definition, by the originalist standard, you're not an American.
You're an infiltrator.
And people are realizing it now.
But it's unfortunate because, like I said, not all Jews think that way.
It's just true.
It's just true.
But but because of how overtly Israel first they are now.
Now it really is a bad.
It is it is bad.
It is bad now in America.
And um people hate Jews.
I mean, there's no way to put it.
But it's not, but it's because of bad faith actors like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro.
That's why.
And of course Netanyahu.
100% agree with you.
And like he's like Netanyahu's like the new pharaoh.
He became the monster he wanted to fight.
He's acting literally like Hitler.
He's horrible.
It's so funny.
And it's so funny too.
Oh my God.
Don't even get me started on Portner.
I'm gonna be watching.
Meanwhile, they spit on Christians and Israeli.
They do all this gay and train.
Well, I don't want to get too much off topic.
I thank you for the call.
Uh I want to get back to the topic of Trump Musk, but but I'll be covering Portnoy tomorrow on the InfoWars War Room with a with a comedian guest.
Yeah, Portnoy is crashing out bad.
Um before you brought up Portnoy, I was going to make a point, and now it's uh now it slipped my mind.
Damn.
What was it?
What was it you said before Pointnoy?
Oh, that um, you know, they they uh Netanyahu's like the new pharaoh.
Oh, that's what it was.
Yeah, Netanyahu.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So here's what's amazing to me about conservatives.
And it's just it's just 100% true.
The the the standing up for Israel and the fighting anti-Semitism, it's just Black Lives Matter for conservatives.
It's just virtue signaling social justice warrior Olympics for conservatives.
That's really what it is.
That's that's exactly what it is.
Not to say there isn't fair debate to happen there, but there's fair debate to happen with Black Lives Matter stuff too.
But it's just the same thing.
It's just the virtue signal, bait and switch, uh, you know, oppression Olympics.
But it's funny how Netanyahu can come out and talk exactly like a Black Lives Matter liberal.
I mean, exactly like a Black Lives Matter liberal, and somehow conservatives eat it up.
And I'm just like, how do you not see through this?
If that was a Black Lives Matter leader that talked like that, you'd see through it immediately and you'd and you'd reject it at face value.
But somehow Netanyahu does it and you buy into it.
It's uh it's a really strange phenomenon, but it's it's not lasting much longer.
I I think I think support of Israel lasts maybe two more election cycles at best, but it's it's not gonna last.
And and you know what?
Look, this is sad.
It's sad because you're gonna have Jews get attacked, it's not gonna stop.
And then, and then these sick Israelis like Netanyahu are gonna use that to try to drum up more support for Israel.
And it's just uh it's just disgusting.
The whole thing is just disgusting.
All right, let's move on.
Let's get back to the Trump Musk.
Uh, next caller, what's your name where you're from?
Yeah, my name's Billy.
Okay.
I'm from Kentucky.
Hey, and I I know it's a little bit off subject, but I called him before and I challenged Harrison Smith to wear the garb, and he never did it.
So I know he's listening.
I I would love to see him in a ball cap, you know, the shirt, and uh maybe some pleated, you know, sunglasses, if he could pull that off.
I don't know what you're talking about, but uh okay.
The garb.
All right, next caller.
What's your name?
from Are you and Jeffrey Epstein's cell right now?
All right, learn how to use a phone.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where are you from?
Ronan from Texas.
All right, Ronan.
Uh good show today, by the way.
I think when you pointed out when uh Trump was threatening to take away his contracts, I think it's pretty important to point out why why they can't just do the doge cuts then.
Like I think that's a pretty important point to get out to people.
Yeah, and I'm getting some pushback, and they're like, oh, well, Trump just said he would do it, or he conceptually do it.
Well, okay, I think you're still proving my point.
If Trump with the with the signing of a pen can make the cuts to all of Musk's government's contracts, then why can't we do all the doge cuts with the swipe of a pen?
Again, it all comes down to will.
It all comes down to will.
If Trump wants to do it, he can do it.
So it just comes down to Will.
Does he want to do it?
Does he have the will to do it?
And that's what it comes down to.
Um, but yeah, I think that that was a major that was a major blunder from Trump to say, okay, well, I'll cut all, I'll cut all Elon Musk's contracts immediately, to which the obvious response is, okay, but why can't you cut the doge cuts immediately?
Yeah, it's even just the notion, it's neither here or there, if he was being serious or not, it's just the notion.
It's pretty uh pretty uh bald face right there, but they can't even do it.
And you could like this or not.
A lot of people would say it's a bad thing, and maybe it is, but I mean, Musk is so uh I mean, Musk's businesses are so attached at the hip now to the government, you really uh you can't even do it.
You rely on Musk's companies to such a high degree that you can't even do that.
Which fine, I mean, cut them all, just collapse the whole thing then.
I this government sucks.
Give the country back to the people.
I was saying we should just burn the whole thing down and be hilarious.
Yeah, actually, no, actually, this is part of the ruse.
This is part of the ruse where um he's gonna cut all the government contracts and then they're gonna come out and admit that space is fake and gay.
So it's all it's all it's all part of the ruse.
Yeah.
So that's it.
We figured it out.
All right, thank you for the call.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where are you from?
Bill, I'm from Wisconsin.
Bill from Loomer Fan Club.
All right, Bill.
Am I on now, Owen?
Yeah, you're live.
Thank you.
That was fast.
Oh, and I I forgot that I was I'm live streaming you right now, and I can't live stream you and use my mic.
So I'm calling you now on the phone, so thank you.
But anyway.
You sound good.
The audio's good, so you're good to go.
All right, excellent.
Owen, Paul Ryan.
So you're we're talking about speaker uh Johnson.
The the infamous photo that's been on my timeline so many times.
I'm in Wisconsin, I've been in Paul Ryan's district for like 25 years.
I know him.
I've walked 50 parades with the guy.
He is the he's the root of all of our evil here, Bowen.
People need to really focus on that.
Now just focus on one more thing.
And well, Wisconsin's a big deal in the politics.
And the whole Wisconsin conservative thing, it's bullshit.
The what news talk uh in with in Milwaukee, news talk 1130.
It's a total never Trumper network.
It's it's Jay Weber, it's the old Mark Belling, um, Vicky McKenna, who used to love Sarah Palin, used me to get to Sarah Palin, then she turned on Sarah Palin when Sarah Palin endorsed.
But hold on a second, hold on a second.
Why do you bring up Paul Ryan?
Do you think he's controlling Mike Johnson?
Yes, sir.
And go back to the exact photo that I use in my timeline all the time.
Where remember when they caught Paul Ryan walking down that stairway and it was with Johnson, and then you zoom in and Johnson had his body language, his head down?
Yeah, I remember that, but was there any other instances?
All right.
You know how Obama's in charge of the Democrat Party?
Paul Ryan is in charge of the quote Republican Party, not the mega party, the Republican Party.
That's the head.
And he's even got control of the whole um uh Fox News thing, too.
This is well overlooked.
And here's where I'm gonna leave you with this thought on.
Paul Ryan quit.
These people never quit.
When did Paul Ryan quit?
Paul Ryan quit right after there was a scandal about the uh Republican slush fund to pay off staffers, male or female that were assaulted after that assault after that uh scandal came out, is after Paul Ryan quit.
These people never quit.
Remember, Paul Ryan lived and slept in his office in DC.
Also known for his 200 bottle of wine uh dinners, and I can tell you that from Wisconsin, the females around here in the quote conservative Republican Party, when Paul Ryan would go to whatever event, whether it was the person.
Okay, okay, but let's bring it back.
Let's bring it back to the subject.
So do you think Mike would do you think Mike Johnson is intentionally intentionally misleading and subverting Trump with this awful big beautiful bill negotiation?
100%.
Okay.
And you think that's at the behest of Paul Ryan?
And the whole machine.
And the whole machine.
It's the same machine that checked on Trump for the two years in his prior.
Remember when Paul Ryan shut him down?
Yeah.
Now he's doing the same thing.
All right.
Well, I'll tell you, it's uh it's an interesting angle.
But Johnson is obviously the problem.
I mean, Johnson is the biggest problem here.
Next caller, what's your name where you're from?
Yeah, this is Dan from Idaho.
Hey, I I apologize if I already missed it.
If you guys already talked about it, but regarding Trump on the Epstein list, what's your gut say?
Do you think he's on it or no?
No, so I mean, we already know what it is.
He is on the list.
He's on the Epstein flight logs.
He took a flight, I think it was from Florida to New York or something.
Um I think Trump's if I recall all the details, Trump's plane went down.
And, you know, you all these you know billionaires, they got all their planes parked at all these different airports.
They're just sitting there.
And um either he asked or Epstein offered his plane because Trump's wasn't working, so he flyed it to New York or to Florida, one of the two, I think it was.
Um there's no evidence he went to the island.
Um, and it's it came out in the court cases with the lawyers and even the FBI on record, and this was before the first Epstein charges, that Trump worked with the FBI to conduct the investigation into Epstein, and Trump also kicked Epstein out of all of his clubs.
He got privy to Epstein recruiting girls at his clubs.
That's when he started cooperating with the FBI to bring Epstein down.
Um so yeah, you could say it's true he's on the Epstein logs.
Uh he did take a flight on his plane.
I don't even Epstein wasn't even on it.
I think Trump was on it with like a couple people.
I don't think Epstein was even on it.
There's no proof he went to the island.
Um, so that to me was a little if if Elon Musk is accusing you know Trump of being blackmailed by the Epstein Israeli blackmail network, CIA Masad Blackmail Network, then I think that's a little disingenuous.
Um, but of course, the people that think it's just a ruse or like a Q thing, they think Musk is tipping the cap that yeah, Trump is in the Epstein list because he was the one that helped bring him down.
So I, you know, I I'm not convinced that that's the case, but those are what the people that think this whole thing is um just a ruse, that's what they believe.
Cool.
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at, too.
Thanks, brother.
All righty.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where are you from?
I'm from San Diego, California.
All right, go ahead.
Yeah, uh, I want to talk about the bill.
Obviously, the AI thing's a big issue.
You know, it's not about it.
And um, seeing how we had these um the ATF and everybody going in and raiding everybody, going on and inhibiting what we want to have done.
The the the idea that I have is maybe send out some, you know, scouts and just basically let them watch what's going on during these possible raids and arrests and just have them document where these people are that are agitators, and then you know, go pull a warrant, and then five days later, when they're at the kid's birthday or whatever, go and arrest them.
Make it make an example, you know.
I mean, that'd probably be the best thing to do, rather than inciting a riot.
Am I wrong on this?
Well, I I I I lost you at the beginning.
All right.
So the arrested are going on with ATF and ice and agitators trying to inhibit and stop them.
All right.
Well, well, I'm trying to talk about the Musk Trump feud, so I didn't know if you were going to connect it to that or not.
Sorry, sorry about that.
So, all right, let me get on.
Let me get on that one.
Um, Musk and Trump, uh Psyop.
Uh Trump had to leave at the end of May.
Everybody knew that.
Um, and then we have the whole thing with uh the Epstein files going on, right?
Yeah, Trump Trump knew who Epstein was, and it's like the Pam Bondi binder.
You know, it's like uh nothing burger.
So maybe Trump and Elon had this this idea like, hey, let's let's just play him.
You know, let's let's throw it out there and let's get a little bit more.
Well, I'll tell you what, I I don't, I don't, I don't buy into that theory, but I will say this, because I'm just somebody that does like, I mean, I just eat the whole plate.
So it's like, well, I don't really like broccoli, but I eat broccoli anyway, it's on my plate.
So I just eat the whole plate.
The Q people did say that there would be some big ruse to begin the Q process in June.
They have been saying that.
It's also interesting that Trump disappeared basically for four days before any of this went down.
And he was public and speaking to the public every single day, and that was for four days he disappeared, and now all of this stuff happened.
So again, I don't, I don't think it's a ruse.
Um, but but I will say that those are kind of interesting little little factoids that go into this.
And and let me just say this too.
And I'm just trying to impart my wisdom through experience on people that that listen to me.
Because you know, a lot of people in media like to they have like this separatist attitude where they want to basically have like an edge over their audience.
I don't like to do that.
I I like my wisdom and experience to actually I I want you to understand that if I can possibly pass it down to you.
And so here's what I've learned from my career at InfoWars and everything that we've been through.
And I can maybe cite a couple examples, but basically what I've learned is as a conspiracy theorist, more times, maybe more times than not, but more times than we suspect, a cigar is just a cigar, a spade is just a spade.
Meaning you're gonna light that cigar and it's not gonna blow up in your face.
And so, you know, we tend to kind of get caught in this vortex because government is so corrupt, we get lied to about everything, we get lied to about history, lied to about current events, uh media lies to us.
So it's just like we kind of get trapped in this vortex of lies where now we just don't think anything can be real.
When a lot of things are real, a lot of things are still real.
It's like, so it's like you smoke 10 cigars that blow up in your face, you think that 11 cigars gonna blow up in your face, but it's like, oh, I actually I I can smoke the cigar.
Here's a specific example.
And this is more of a this is more of like a learning curve for me that where I can kind of practically apply what I'm talking about here.
I have watched people lie about Alex Jones for I've worked at InfoWars now for nine years.
I have watched people lie about Alex Jones for nine years, but it's not the lies.
We're used to people lying.
What what what is what has been a learning curve for me is I have watched people say things about Alex Jones that are completely wrong.
Like I know it.
I know Alex, I see him every day, and I know they are wrong, and I know the things they say about Alex are wrong.
And yet they have their utmost confidence that they're right.
They really believe they are right and they got Alex figured out and they've figured it all out and they're smarter than everybody else, and they're saying this about Alex and they know it's true.
And I'm like, I know you're wrong.
And so what I've learned from that is never assume you're right because you're emotional.
And be careful about things you don't actually know that you think you know, because the minute you get something like that wrong and somebody sees it, maybe somebody powerful, maybe somebody influential, maybe even the person you're talking about.
And the minute they see that and they see how wrong you are, but yet how right you think you are, you lose all credibility.
So these are just two kind of learning curve, uh, you know, wisdom through experience that that I've learned and that I've applied to my my practice and my career.
And so I I try not to do that.
And then you kind of sometimes might have to be patient with things or you know, play the 48-hour rule and see what's really going on.
But, you know, jumping to conclusions about about things that I don't know, or people that I don't know, Or just thinking everything is a lie, everything is a setup, everything is a psyop.
I I've just learned not to do that.
I've just learned not to do that.
Because I mean, really, more than anything, it's like it's like am I going to keep swinging at a curveball in the dirt?
No.
How many times is a pitcher going to throw me a curveball in the dirt and I'm going to swing and miss?
Maybe once, maybe twice, then I'm not going to do it anymore.
So that's kind of what it's like.
That's just kind of my learning curve, wisdom through experience that um that I that I try to impart on you.
Because again, a lot of talk so a lot of people in political media, they want to they want to keep things from their audience and kind of keep you in the dark and and maybe hope you get things wrong or assume wrong things to kind of make some feel better than you, makes them feel superior to you.
Uh we're not doing that here.
All right, let's take another call here.
Uh we're going to take a couple more, but we're almost done.
All right, next caller.
What's your name?
Where are you from?
Hey, Owen, am I on?
Yes, you're live.
Go ahead.
Hey, what's up?
It's Keaton from Arizona.
I actually spoke to you a couple days ago on your show with the brother.
How are you doing?
Hey, man.
So uh I've kind of had some time to think about this whole Elon Musk Trump thing.
And I'm I'm with Trump on this one because it doesn't make sense that the that the deep state wouldn't have released these Epstein files on sooner.
And I think it's also really weird that Elon Musk is kind of saying that, oh, Trump is only around for 3.5 years.
I'm around for 40 plus years.
So it seems like almost like a coup almost.
Like Musk is doing this weird soft coup um trying to position himself for the presidency.
Well, okay, let me just let me just address a couple things.
Musk cannot run for president.
So that's so that's off the table.
Now he could he could financially back somebody and use his influence and political capital to get somebody in there if if he's if he chose to do that.
But he can't run for president.
Now, um to be more to be more specific, are you insinuating that Trump was a Democrat operative or an operative from the beginning?
Or do you think he no.
Oh, oh, I'm sorry.
You mean Musk like was Musk operative?
Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, I it's weird because that's kind of it's what it's starting to seem like, because he kind of came in out of nowhere with support for the MAGA movement.
And I always thought that that was a little thus.
Well, it was like, we know when I would talk to my friends, I'd say, you know, we need to keep a really close eye on him because yes, he's doing really great things, and I think Trump was kind of using him for his influence and his money, but at the end of the day, I mean, he is he's one of the most powerful righteous men in the world.
Of course, he's gonna end up in a power struggle at some point with Trump.
So I'm not a hundred percent sure what his ankle is, but I just don't really trust him.
And I saw, I don't know if it's fake news, but I saw some uh post on X that apparently Musk is saying that he's gonna go nuclear on Trump and he's willing to back some Democrats now if he needs to.
So I think that's a good thing.
Yeah, well, he's threatening of pulling he's threatening of pulling money from Republicans and backing Democrats.
I think a lot of that is posturing.
You know, here here's here's and maybe he does it, but here's the one thing I would say about as far as Musk, you know, maybe he has his own agenda or or you you said a coup.
I don't think that's the right word to use, but I get I get the point you're trying to make.
I think if that was true, and I think if Musk had ulterior motive, ulterior motives or was kind of sneaking around for access or whatever, I don't think he would be doing this today.
Because that wouldn't really make sense.
You'd want to remain on good terms with the White House, and you'd want to keep your access and influence strong if if you had ulterior motives to, you know, whatever, whatever they were, you'd want to keep that strong.
So to me, burning the bridges, I don't, I don't I think that kind of disproves that theory.
And look, as far as he comes out of nowhere and backs Trump, I mean, you can disagree, but from from where I'm sitting, I I think it was just for Musk, it was practical, it was common sense.
And and he did have issues when it came to the vaccine mandates, and he does have issues with the left and their transgender agenda, and he does understand that the vision he has for the world, he's gonna need unlimited energy, and the Democrats want to kill energy.
So I do think there's a practical, pragmatic entryway for Trump into politics.
I I don't think it was I don't I don't think it was ulterior motives.
I I I think it was practical.
Again, maybe he has his own agenda that it, but I I don't think it was for nefarious reasons.
I don't think so.
All right, let's take another call.
Um I'm gonna do I'm gonna do two more calls.
So this call and then one more call.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where are you from?
Yeah, I am Cameron from Michigan.
All right, Cam.
Yeah, how are you doing?
Uh I really enjoyed your uh work at the border.
Thank you.
But uh yeah, the the Trump Elon thing, that's a hundred percent legitimate.
I think the feud is uh legitimate.
I'm just going back to Trump's personality.
I mean, reminds me a lot of uh the banning when Bannon was in the White House and they feud.
Oh, and now Bannon, you know, Bannon's inserting himself.
Look, um let me just say this, and I don't have a problem with Steve Bannon, okay?
I don't.
So I'm not I'm not this is not me a attacking Steve Bannon.
Everybody's got their own approach.
Um, but Bannon really is a master at inserting himself into any story, okay?
And I think that that's what he's done here more than anything.
He's just inserting himself into this story.
Maybe he means what he's saying, maybe not.
I don't know.
But he's a master at finding a way to insert himself in in every story and and finding a way to uh to to get his name into the press.
So he I he's a master at that.
I I kind of think that that's what he's doing more than anything here.
Um but well, I haven't heard from Bannon.
That's just an example of kind of how Trump reacts to people who attack him, even if they're allies.
You know, I'm not a fan of Bannon either.
It was just an example of how how uh Trump reacts.
But you know, Elon, I think so.
But you know what?
Here's interesting, actually.
What's interesting about the Bannon angle is you know, Bannon was kind of the original Elon.
You know, Bannon got into the White House and he had all these grandiose ideas for MAGA and seemed to have the will to do it, and the Swamp stopped him, and then he got pushed out, and now it's like Musk.
It's like Musk had all these grandiose ideas for MAGA and had the will to do it, and then he's out.
So it's weird that Bannon would go against Musk when they kind of had the same political arc in the Trump White House.
Yeah, so you can kind of see that correlation there between between the two, even though they're so you know far apart uh timeline wise.
Um but uh yeah, I think I think uh, you know, Trump wants this bill passed, but Elon is legitimate in saying it's it's you know over budgeted.
Um Trump really uh like they're just feuding.
Well, and now they've lost the Republicans.
They don't have the votes.
They just don't have the votes.
They don't have the votes in the House now either.
Uh so the thing's done.
I I I mean maybe it still passes, but it's it's uh honestly.
Look, Trump, if I was advising Trump, my advice would be to spike this bill.
It it's it's it's it's it's a it's a killer of the MAGA movement.
It's already a disaster of a bill.
And even if you can get it passed, it it already stinks so badly that nobody wants it in the room.
And so even if you do pass it, now the whole room is gonna stink.
And so nobody even wants this bill.
So if I if if well, Speaker Johnson, you know, I guess forget about having any faith in him doing anything good or right.
But I I still believe somebody in the Trump administration or Trump himself can maybe write this wrong.
And it's very simple.
You just come out, and it's hard.
I get it.
When you're when you got a huge ego and you're a narcissist and you're used to being the man with all the power, all the gravity, it's hard to accept defeat.
But but sometimes you gotta be smart.
And sometimes you gotta retreat.
And I would tell I'd be advising Trump.
I'd say, look, Mr. President, you just you know, I guess if you knew how to talk to President, you knew how to talk to Trump, you could find a way of saying it, because if you said it like this, it wouldn't work.
But I would say, Mr. President, you get uh you got to take the loss on this.
You gotta take the loss and you gotta retreat.
And you need to come out and put the pressure on Mike Johnson and say, hey, this thing is blown up in our face.
This thing has been a disaster.
So you you have to kill this bill, and then you have to take the tax cut portion and put it into a single bill and get that done.
You have to take the deportation section and put it into a single bill and get that done.
And and whatever the real priority items are, and you can get these things done in a couple pages and get them read and passed in an hour.
You don't need eleven hundred pages of a bill that you give Congress members against the rules of Congress a couple hours to read.
So that's what should be done.
That's what the advisor should be telling Trump.
But you know, he's he's stubborn and and he's got a big ego, and he probably doesn't want to take the loss.
But that's what should happen.
He needs to take the loss and he needs to retreat and he needs to put the onus back on Mike Johnson to come to him with a clean bill or or a series of one item bills, and then you can get the agenda done.
And the fact they don't want to do that to me just tells me the whole thing is corrupt.
Because to me, that's common sense.
If you're not willing to do that, then you're trying to sneak something by us.
If you're not willing to do that, then you're trying to deceive us.
You're trying to put bad stuff in this bill if you're not willing to do that.
Trump needs to spike that bill.
Unfortunately, Trump's always been kind of a big spender guy to get our stuff through, but he also lets in all the corruption as well.
That's kind of how he's always gone, approach these bills.
He did it in his first term too, which kind of worked out in his favor because he was able to get ahead of the deep state and do what he wanted.
But at the same time, unfortunately, Trump keeps working with the swamp when he needs to start draining them.
And uh, you know, the whole thing about Elon saying Trump was in the Epstein files.
I mean, he knows that's true.
He knows that's true.
We know that's true, but it's not it's not what everybody's saying.
It's just like you said it Trump took a flight once on the flight plan, you know.
That's that's old news.
Reddit trolls have been, you know, bringing that up forever.
But uh, and of course, and the Democrats and the deep state would have they would have crushed Trump on that if they could have, and they and they couldn't.
So it, you know.
I think that that also shows that uh there's no real there.
Because if there was, the Democrats would have already, you know, been successful at uh making it stick and they and they couldn't do it.
And I will say the one other thing I guess we haven't mentioned here is look, if if Trump's mindset, which it could be very real, yes, he wants to spend a lot of money, and he probably figures, hey, every other country on earth rigs their currency, every other country on earth rigs their economy, every other country on earth has a worse deficit and debt to GDP ratio than we do.
So why don't we cheat?
Why don't we cheat?
What why do we care about being physically responsible when nobody else on the planet is?
So why not just spend all the money we don't have?
Why not just go deeper into debt?
It's not gonna make a difference.
The whole planet, it's all fake money.
Maybe he already knows they stole all the money from Fort Knox.
Notice how that story's completely gone away.
So no, now he maybe he even knows that there's no gold.
So he's like, he knows it's all fake, so why not just print more fake monopoly money?
But then how do you tell that to the American people?
So it's um, you know, that's that's another interesting concept that I could see being very real as well.
All right, final call of the night.
Last caller.
What's your name?
Where are you from?
Mark from Arizona.
All right, Mark, go ahead.
Hey, yeah.
So I was just uh talking to my dad before you went live, and he was just, I mean, he's all MAGA, everything like that.
And he's just like, oh, we just need to pass it, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.
I'm like, these older MAGA people, they don't get about the AI the AI thing.
They just don't understand it about how it, you know, it could be a good thing, could be a horrible thing, and we just don't know.
Um I'm working right now, but um with the whole Eon jump thing.
I don't know.
I don't know what to think about it.
I hope that he's not on FC's list uh or you know, anything deep like that.
Well, here's what it is.
Here's what it is.
We're not doing politics as usual.
We're not playing that game.
You're not gonna sell us on it.
It's not gonna work.
So yeah, you'll have you'll have some boomers or you know, establishment Republicans that you know probably would have voted for Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush in 2016, so whatever.
You know, those those people are gonna exist.
Not to insult, I think it was your father or whatever, but believe me, we there's plenty of them out there.
They don't get they don't get what This is really all about.
We're not doing, we're not doing the status quo.
We're not doing politics as normal.
And so you can tell us it's the greatest bill ever.
You can say it all day long.
You can put a nice little name on it, big beautiful bill, big beautiful bill.
You can put a nice name on it.
Hey, fine.
It's politics as normal for us.
We didn't vote for politics as normal.
We we voted to burn politics as no as normal to the ground.
So selling us, hey, Paul, let's do this politics as normal stuff.
not buying.
I don't care how many bells and whistles you put on it.
I don't care what kind of gift wrapping you put on it.
I don't care what name you write on it.
We're not doing it anymore.
We're not supporting it anymore.
I mean, read the room.
It's obvious.
Yes.
And if anything, Elon Musk is sticking his neck out there.
Whether it's for personal reasons or he's just reading the room himself, he's sticking his neck out there and saying, this ain't it.
This is not it.
And so I think that uh I think that really that's where our I think that that's where we're at.
That's where I'm at.
And I still support Trump.
I still support Musk.
But I'm not loyal to a cult of personality.
I'm not, I'm not loyal to a person.
I mean, I will say this, in fairness.
I I actually am loyal to people.
Um, but those are people that I have personal relationships with.
So I I'm loyal to my friends, I'm loyal to my family.
I'm loyal to Alex Jones, but these are people I have personal relationships with.
I don't I don't have a personal relationship with Donald Trump.
I mean, he did offer, he did give me a pardon, so I guess I'm I'll always be loyal to Trump for pardoning the January Sixers, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna stop being loyal to the truth.
That doesn't mean I'm not gonna stop calling it like I see it.
And that's just how it is.
So that's gonna do it.
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