And it's Thursday, June 16, 2016, and time once again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination, episode 834.
This is no agenda.
Suffering from Islamahomophobia overload and broadcasting live from the capital of the Drone Star State here in Austin, Tejas, FEMA Region 6.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where we've got overcast and no overload, but we do have a lot of information to display.
I'm John St.
DeVore.
It's Crackbott and Buzzkill.
In the morning.
Always so awesome thinking on your feet.
It would be hard to display anything on the radio, though.
No, we're not going to display anything.
Slow news week, man.
I've got to tell you.
Something finally happened.
I mean, we were...
They happened again on a show day.
Yeah, of course.
It was still show day.
This happens a lot on show day.
I have to say...
I really appreciated our value for value model in the past four days.
It allowed me, and I'm looking at your clips, it allowed both of us.
I just sat in front of the television switching between CBS. One bull crap report to another.
And it just continued.
For four days.
I have not seen Tina for four days.
I've been just glued to all the channels trying to deconstruct what is going on.
Of course, at the same time, we have lots of information coming in from people who live there, people who have opinions.
Tons and tons of stuff.
Did you shower?
Not every day.
And certainly not this morning.
Uh-uh.
Where to start?
Well, let's start with some thematic stuff.
We should discuss it amongst the two of us, since you were all over Facebook, apparently.
The bag.
A little bit.
I was more consuming all the full-time news channels, of which I have to say...
I thought MSNBC does a very good job of these live events, something on the scene, on the spot, because they have the full NBC News resources at their disposal.
Which is a lot more than CNN. Oh, heck yeah.
Or should be.
It was much better.
Much better.
I'm glad you did that because my monitoring was the internets, YouTubes, CBS, ABC, Democracy Now!, and Deutsche Welle.
Those were my main sources of my clips.
Fantastic.
Because they're all, you know, one guy said this and then somebody said, and it's so poorly done, it When you really look at it, you sit there like you did, and I did for the most part.
When you sit there and watch this stuff go by, you listen to one...
DVRs are great because you can listen to one news show, which is parallel to the other one.
And you listen to another one and say, that's not what the other guy said!
It goes on and on.
So we end up with a kind of, I think we'll probably have a composite story that will be close to the truth.
As far as I'm concerned, it stinks to high heaven from all sorts of respect.
Two things, and we'll get to this later on.
Yes, there's a lot of things that smell really bad with this.
On the other hand, I am convinced, not having been there, but having done this for a while now and looking at different events and how things take place and how the coverage unfolds, people really died.
That really did happen.
I believe there's a lot of dead people, and my thesis is that the cops shot most of them.
Cops, I'm sure, shot a lot, but that was also something new.
We saw...
A lot more blood on people.
We saw bullet holes.
We never saw any Sandy Hook bullet holes.
And just look at how the response was, how it was all laid out.
It wasn't in your typical drill-like fashion.
In fact, I would like to...
Just get us underway with this.
Because a lot of people were sending me, you know, emails and saying, oh, you know, look at this video.
They're walking the wrong way.
This is all fake.
This crisis actors.
I'm like, no.
There was a hoax, but I'll get to that later.
I just want to see here.
This was kind of telling and bizarre at the same time.
This is, I think, the chief doctor who did a press release there in Orlando.
A press conference, I should say.
Today, the doctors tending to those patients described how they were overwhelmed in the immediate aftermath of the massacre.
This is not a drill.
This is not a joke.
We have 22 plus gunshot wounds.
What's interesting about that is, and he'll continue a little bit, It's so like, hey, we do this all the time with drills.
We know what drills are.
Sure, we got drills.
We have drills.
This is not a drill.
Very interesting he said that.
Plus gunshot wounds coming.
I'm sorry?
I agree.
That was interesting that he'd say that.
It's like, hey, everybody, most of these things are bullcrap.
We have an issue here that's not a drill.
It's not bullcrap.
We're actually doing something.
He confirms it in this clip, actually.
Today, the doctors tending to those patients described how they were overwhelmed in the immediate aftermath of the massacre.
This is not a drill.
This is not a joke.
We have 22 plus gunshot wounds coming in.
I was walking out of the hospital and walking out.
I saw team members walking into work crying.
I just...
I just couldn't express how...
It's hard to describe how you feel, but I know how they feel.
And I can tell you they do a lot of drills and a lot of practices to try and be prepared for this sort of thing.
But after hearing those real-life scenarios, you can understand why that's never going to be the same as what they experienced here.
Everybody seems to be in on the drills, but this was not one of them.
And I think that's true.
Yeah, I think that's true.
So we can get past that.
Everything that was sent, you saw some of the, I've copied you on some, but I'm sure you blocked those people after a while.
He's like, stop with your green screen, stop, stop, stop.
That does happen, sure.
Not this time.
This is something completely different, was not controlled, and there's a lot of angles to this.
Well, not controlled is, it's controlled in its nature.
I mean, it was in one area.
It wasn't getting out of any sort of control.
It wasn't spilling out into the streets.
It was very controlled.
It's all within the club.
Ooh...
Okay.
I'll take that.
I'll take that as it was.
But it was not orchestrated.
I don't think it was orchestrated.
But I think that this guy, yeah, there was a lot going on with him.
I'll say that I'll agree that it wasn't orchestrated in any normal sense.
I think there was some orchestration after the fact.
I think this guy was not what they said.
There had to be.
That was the most interesting thing.
When this started, immediately it was, you know, guns, guns, guns, homophobia, guns, guns, guns, homophobia, a little bit of maybe terrorism kind of inspired, we're not quite sure.
In fact, maybe a good backgrounder would just be to play two small bits from Comey.
By the way, now, before you play Comey, I don't know if you're going to play the Haystack clip.
Yeah, I have two.
You don't have the haystack clip?
Of course I have the haystack clip.
I didn't want to start with that.
I just want to preface any Comey clips now because we had Mueller who was very similar.
They have a writer in the FBI's offices who dream up I'm not totally convinced of it, especially when the haystack clip came up.
There's no way, I don't know anyone, any bureaucrat or banker like Comey, would come up with this line.
It was professionally written, but go ahead.
Well, you know what?
Then I'll do it in reverse order.
I'll start with the haystack clip, and then if we want to, we can go back to other things, because...
Absolutely.
Not only was it written, there was some huge mistakes in it.
There were some very interesting things I didn't hear the first three times I listened to it.
We will continue to look forward in this investigation and backward.
We will leave no stone unturned.
And we will work all day and all night to understand the path to that terrible night.
We're also going to look hard at our own work to see whether there is something we should have done differently.
So far, the honest answer is, I don't think so.
Okay, now that is one of the best performers I've ever heard.
He didn't say, did we do the best we could?
No, he drew it out into this crazy...
So far, the honest truth is...
I don't think so.
Wow.
Whether there is something we should have done differently.
So far, the honest answer is I don't think so.
I don't see anything in reviewing our work that our agents should have done differently, but we'll look at it in an open and honest way and be transparent about it.
Sure.
Our work is very challenging.
We are looking for needles in a nationwide haystack.
But we're also called upon to figure out which pieces of hay might someday become needles.
Now, this was a good one.
This was really good, and that got propagated.
But there's some other things going on here.
That is hard work.
If we can find a way to do that better, we will.
We will also do our best to be transparent about what we find going forward, consistent with our need to do an investigation in a good way, but we will tell you as much as we possibly can.
And let me close by saying something I have said before.
We know that this killing is upsetting to all Americans.
We hope that our fellow Americans will not let fear become disabling, because that is what these savages want.
We hope that instead you will channel this sense of anxiety into something more positive, which is an awareness of your surroundings and the seeking of opportunities to help your fellow Americans, as we saw with the tremendous lines of people giving blood in Orlando.
If you channel that anxiety into awareness, you can live your life and allow those of us who are paid to investigate and to stop terrorists to do that work while you live the full life that this great country offers you.
If you see something, tell us.
What?
How could he fuck it up?
How could he fuck that one up?
And then I realized what's going on.
Because he keeps saying, hey, if you see something, you gotta tell somebody.
Which, of course, the slogan is, if you see something, say something.
Which has not worked because they don't have a jingle.
If you see something, say something.
Which we put in play, I don't know, for how many years.
But we're making a mistake, too.
He's talking to Muslims.
He's saying, hey, if you see something within your Muslim community...
Then if you see something, you have to say something.
But that slogan by itself, and even our jingle...
If you see something, say something.
No, no.
It should be...
If you see something, say something.
We've got a new jingle we need.
We need to put it to the ISIS music.
Otherwise, they don't understand.
You may have a point.
Yes, this is bad marketing.
This is not knowing your audience.
So what you're saying, if you're going to make a jingle, you should do it ethnically.
Because this diversity thing isn't working out in terms of the melting pot.
So if you're going to do something, for example, to the Indians, you would do it in Bollywood.
Yes!
Hey, if you see something, you gotta say something.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
That's how it should be.
If it's for Holland, hey, when you see something, you call somebody, yeah?
I mean, that's how it would go.
Now, I listened to the whole Comey press conference, and I took out a couple minutes here, which there's some very interesting things he's saying here, and this shows that there's a lot more going on with not just the FBI, but also CIA. Again, it's all let a good crisis go to waste was the theme of these guys.
No doubt about it.
Again, it's early.
We're working hard to understand the killer and his motives and his sources of inspiration.
Now, he's going to give us a bit of a timeline, but I have some timeline issue or issues with his timeline.
All the timelines I've seen have been crap.
Yeah.
We're highly confident that this killer was radicalized, and at least in some part through the Internet.
Oh-ho.
So that's what we've been doing.
Now let me tell you what I can about the FBI's prior contact with the killer.
We first became aware of him in May of 2013.
He was working as a contract security guard at a local courthouse, and he made some statements that were inflammatory and contradictory that concerned his co-workers about terrorism.
First, he claimed family connections to al-Qaeda.
He also said that he was a member of Hezbollah, which is a Shia terrorist organization that is a bitter enemy of the so-called Islamic State, ISIL. He said he hoped that law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault his wife and child so that he could martyr himself.
When this was reported to us, the FBI's Miami office opened a preliminary investigation.
And over the next 10 months, we attempted to determine whether he was possibly a terrorist.
Now listen to what they did.
This is what I didn't really hear the first time.
Something we do in hundreds and hundreds of cases all across the country.
Yes, we know this.
Because we have reviewed, not hundreds, but we've reviewed many of the complaints against the so-called homegrown or radicalized terrorists in America.
The FBI spends months with them, sometimes years, radicalizes them, buys weapons, explosive, phony baloney stuff.
That guy had model airplanes.
He was going to bomb the Capitol building.
I mean, this is what the FBI does.
And then, listen...
Our investigation involved introducing confidential sources to him?
That's exactly what they do.
Confidential sources.
You're going to play something that...
I'm going to give people a foreboding here.
A little heads up.
What you're suggesting is that the FBI did what they always do, because we've talked about this over and over again forever, and we've seen evidence of it, and there's documentation for it.
They tried to radicalize him.
Absolutely.
This is what they do.
And, you know, it's interesting, because another one of the crisis actor memes, this guy, this Omar Mateen, he shows up in a In a documentary, and this is back when we had the Gulf oil crisis.
I didn't pull the clip, but you can look at the trailer, some piece from the documentary in the show notes.
And he's a security guard, and this undercover video, and they roll up.
The guy's like an American.
He's totally like...
And you say, actually, this is a bullcrap job.
No one's really...
All I'm doing here is making sure these guys can go in and make work to have more money to clean up the beaches from the BP oil spill.
I mean, he seemed like a...
Not an actor is what he didn't seem like.
That's for sure.
Recording conversations with him, following him, reviewing transactional records from his communications, and searching all government holdings for any possible connections, any possible derogatory information.
We then interviewed him twice.
He admitted making the statements that his coworkers reported, but explained that he did it in anger because he thought his coworkers were discriminating against him and teasing him because he was Muslim.
After 10 months of investigation, we closed the preliminary investigation.
Two months later, in July of 2014, the killer's name surfaced again in an indirect way.
Our Miami office was investigating the Florida man who had blown himself up for the Nusrah Front in Syria.
Again, the Nusrah Front being an Al Qaeda group in conflict with ISIL. And we learned from the investigation that the killer knew him casually from attending the same mosque in that area of Florida.
Now, here's where I have the problem.
This guy changed his name, Mateen.
First, he had his father's name, Siddiqui.
When the FBI was handling this suicide bomber, looking at their own documentation, they had an insider, an informant, whose name was Sadiqi.
Just not spelled exactly the way his father's name is spelled, but in Afghanistan they are interchangeable.
So it's with a UI at the end?
In fact, one time I had a lunch with a guy, a software developer, who also worked for one of the agencies, and their program was the synonyms for anybody's name.
There's like, in some cases, dozens.
Well, we can't even figure out how to spell Gaddafi, and the guy's been dead for seven years, five years.
Or Bin Laden.
Exactly.
Is it Osama?
Bin Laden?
Is it...
Honestly, we don't even know if it's ISIS, ISIL, IS, or Daesh.
I mean, these are huge issues we have in naming these things.
Not issues in the Middle East.
No.
True.
So there is a real possibility that this guy, at that point, was working with the FBI, either reporting on him, on the bomber, but he was definitely involved with the same mosque.
Which, of course, right after the bombing, it was one of the mosques that the State Department decided to protect, so there could be no more, so they wouldn't be attacked as a place of worship, but there's some issues there as well.
But our investigation turned up no ties of any consequence between the two of them.
Of any consequence?
Yeah, but he wasn't informed.
He was probably spying on him.
In the course of that investigation, one witness told us, when asked, do you know anybody else who might be radicalizing, that he had once been concerned about the killer because the killer had mentioned alaki videos.
But the witness had concluded that he later got married and had a child and got a job as a security guard, and so he was no longer concerned about him.
Our investigation again turned and interviewed the killer to find out whether he had any significant contacts with the suicide bomber for al-Nusra, determined that he did not, and then the inquiry continued focusing on the suicide bomber with no further focus on the Orlando killer.
Right.
So, without a doubt, whether they did it on purpose, whether they're covering up, without a doubt, they messed up.
Now, I can take this right now, I can take this down the FBI versus CIA route, which I think is very interesting, or would you like to go somewhere else?
Because I'm kind of ready to try that.
Well, if you want to do that, I mean, my material is mostly about deconstructing the event and what actually happened and who got killed by whom and the response to it.
Okay, why don't we do that?
Well, we're going to do that.
Okay, I like the idea of doing the other thing, but let me take a look at what we have here for background clips.
Now, let's start with, well, let's start analyzing this guy.
With a note that was written that went around the internet.
Let's see if I have this thing.
This showed up on US Uncut, which is a piece of crap.
I saw this.
I think I saw this.
Yeah, I'm going to read it because this apparently got onto Facebook and it got all over the place.
I got it sent to me a couple of times and It's from this guy, Shea Bandistuka.
I don't know who this guy is.
And this whole thing looks like a complete...
You know those internet things you get?
It's like an email.
Oh, read this.
And then it's all in super big type.
And it goes all the way down, bitching and moaning about something.
Pass it on to three people.
It's a modern form of a chain letter.
By the way, anyone who sends me one of those, they get blocked forever.
Blocked for life.
So this guy supposedly sent this around.
He says, the 29-year-old who carried out the massacre left 49 people dead and 53 wounded and shredded the myth that he was an Afghan terrorist with no ties to ISIS. And I want to bust that out too because I have a couple of great clips on the ISIS connection.
So after a couple of days, this is the guy's writing that went all over the place.
I'm going to read part of it until I get bored.
So after a couple of days of reports and testimonies, we all know the following about the Orlando shooter.
And by the way, this guy, this report, this is the worst.
He was a child of immigrants, born and raised in the United States.
He pledged allegiance to Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS, three organizations, this is from the Comey Report, that are de facto at war with each other, showing us he was ignorant about all three, let alone the politics in the Middle East in general.
He knew practically nothing about Islam, and according to his wife, father, and community, he was not religious in the slightest.
This isn't true.
He went to that mosque, and the imam said he used to show up, and he would sit there and leave.
He didn't mix.
Right.
That's what the imam said.
Yes.
And it's what he verbally said.
I don't have a clip, but I saw him say it.
The guy goes on.
He struggled with his toxic masculinity.
A new code word that's come out.
Toxic masculinity.
This is an anti-male code word.
Oh, yeah.
He had an alcohol problem and beat up his wife for which he was never charged.
His first wife, maybe.
No.
He was racist towards blacks.
He told the blacks that they could leave.
And there's not only that.
Well, that's what we've heard.
That's what we've heard.
No, I have two clips from guys who said that one guy actually did leave.
Now, he could be a liar and he could be part of a staged event.
But then you're going in the wrong direction in the analysis.
I believe he let whatever blacks are.
He said, anybody here black?
And this happened in two instances.
And I have clips from one of the instances.
All right.
But, so, he was racist towards blacks, Latinos.
By the way, did you know half the people that died were Puerto Rican?
And other minorities in the shooting killed predominantly queer people of color.
Mm-hmm.
Despite his own...
He's in Florida.
If you're going to be shooting randomly in the place, that's what's going to happen.
Despite his own alleged queer inclination, he was a homophobe in a country where still one in five LGBTQ people are victims of hate crimes, and there are more than 100 anti-LGBTQ bills from anti-gay marriage to bathroom bills pending in dozens of states.
This guy, this is his analysis.
He idolized the NYPD as one of the country's most well-known and cherished institutions.
That is, an army bigger than ISIS is known to, I don't know about that, is known to indiscriminately and disproportionately spy on Muslims in which engages in systematic violence.
Okay, on and on.
He beat juveniles in detention centers over the head for a living as he worked for and got his training from the private security form G4S. Mm-hmm.
Another interesting coincidence, G4S had recently purchased the security firm that was doing the security for the club.
G4 is a huge operation.
It's the biggest security firm in the world.
Yeah, they did the Olympics in London poorly.
Yes, it's too big.
They have over 160,000, I think, people working for them, and they're based in London.
Anyway, which is not only one of the former stakeholders in the prison industrial complex, but also invested in mass deportations as it runs immigration detention centers and participates in the occupation of Palestine, training other mass killers in Israel to target and imprison Palestinians.
Very sketchy, but one thing I do know is that G4S was involved, but not in deportation in the United States.
They were running buses of a lot of these immigrants that were kind of positioned along the border.
They couldn't get out of Texas and places like that, and they would run them up and drop them off in places like Nebraska, South Dakota, and that's a G4S operation.
So this is completely bullcrap.
Mm-hmm.
Anyway, staged a mass shooting in a country that has seen a thousand mass shootings in the last twelve hundred days.
Now we're getting back to, we now see that this document that's floating around Facebook is a piece of propaganda.
This is the kind of propaganda that, you know, this is anti-gun propaganda right here.
So basically he was, and this is all over the Facebook.
So basically it goes on.
He was ignorant, self-conflicted, racist, sexist, homophobe, had a sick admiration for authority and was obsessed with guns and violence, eventually acting upon all of that.
Just a horrible male is what he is.
Sorry, folks.
It ends.
Sorry, folks, but your supposed Islamic radical terrorist from Afghanistan is an American as apple pie made with homegrown apples and baked in an American made oven.
Who owns this uncut outfit?
Because that's some good propaganda right there.
Yeah, it's a piece of shit from the get-go.
And I want to bring one or two interesting facts into this thing.
Let's start with the ISIS. The thing that got my attention the most was this ISIS connection.
Mm-hmm.
And I want to either decide, you can decide, if I should just blow that out of the water as fast as I can.
Yeah, go ahead, because the things I focused on, I knew you would do this, is I have the FBI-CAA part, and I have really this guy's background regarding homosexuality, homophobia, etc., etc.
So everything else, I can support you, but I'd say go.
Alright, let me go with...
I see the problem is, of course, I have so many clips.
I have the ISIS things.
Well, in the meantime, a little Entremont.
This is local to the Orlando area on television.
...project on security and terrorism.
That's right.
Collected thousands of pages of data.
That's right.
Lone wolf.
Yeah.
What?
Yeah, she said wolf.
She said wolf.
Are you using the orange juice can again?
No, it was sent to me.
I didn't capture that myself.
We have an intelligence network.
They're not all high-fidelity.
We do our best here.
Let's start by running the long clip.
This is the first report with David Muir.
ABC first report.
This is a little long.
You can interrupt it as it goes along as I look for the other stuff.
It is Latin Night at The Pulse, a gay nightclub in downtown Orlando, packed with 320 people.
And this video of people dancing, taken just last night, and then at 2.02 a.m., bartenders announcing last call.
Now, I just need to say one thing about the 2.02 a.m., bartenders last call.
Because we kind of skipped over that with Comey's thing.
But the timeline has his wife dropping him off at the club at midnight.
Yeah.
Then, according to the Los Angeles Times, they interviewed one of the club goers who got away because he said he was leaving the club around 1 a.m.
and saw Mateen coming his way.
Now, they had spoken to each other.
They had chatted previously on Grindr or whatever app or website.
And they acknowledged.
I said, hey.
He said, hey.
So he was going into the club.
Well, the guy who got away was leaving the club at 1, and this guy was going in at 1.
But he had already been in, and he was now coming out.
So he was in.
I think something happened.
He left at 1 a.m.
and came back at 2, and then started shooting the place up.
I have not seen anyone.
Of course, if there was an altercation, if there was something that was provoked or provocative, then that person or person's probably dead.
But something happened.
Something happened.
Something happened.
Yeah, that's a good theory.
I like it.
When suddenly, the gunfire.
It starts smelling the ammunition in the air.
Like it smelled like fire.
Was your instinct to hit the ground?
I just wanted to get as low to the floor as I could and try to crawl into safety.
As that gunfire erupted, you could hear it from the outside.
You complain about my orange can, but the sock you had over the mic was just as bad.
This was taken from the net.
Yeah.
Oh my God, they're all shooting back and forth.
Our officer...
Now, is there anything in here that's going to...
You can stop right there.
I want to, since we mentioned the gun...
The gun shooting really began in earnest at 5 a.m.
Yeah, that's when the SWAT came in.
The SWAT guys came in.
And apparently there was a number of people that said that they were playing dead for up to three hours.
One guy says, I was cowering in the bathroom for three hours.
Now they had busted into the place with an armored vehicle and Although when they show it, there's four or five holes in the side of the building, and they said they couldn't blow a hole in.
Yeah, they had to ram it in.
And where the hole is seems higher than the bumper of the vehicle.
There's something fishy about the holes.
In fact, there's something fishy about the end of the story, which I also have a clip for.
So let's start with, but let's get this ISIS thing out of the way once and for all.
I have three short clips, starting with, and it's called Release the Tapes.
This is what triggered this whole thing.
This is Release the Tapes 1, the intro.
Mm-hmm.
Now, the gay pride parade thing is a distraction from this story itself.
And also, that was just a kid who was gay.
He was going to the parade.
He had some shit in his truck he shouldn't have because he'd already violated some weapons charge.
But everything I've heard from West Hollywood, from intelligence sources there, that that was indeed a distraction.
The kid was going to attend the parade.
Well, it was a pretty good distraction, but what it's distracting from, in this case, is why aren't they releasing the tapes?
And from our experience over the years, this is a crucial piece of information.
Yes, and even when tapes are released.
There's something on here they don't want out.
So they're in the process right now of editing, fixing, they're making phony tape, who knows.
But here's the interesting clue to this.
There was a little girl that was this cute little black woman who was in the bathroom at the time.
And she witnessed a whole bunch of stuff, including the end of the story, the guy getting killed.
And this is part two of this.
This is the way it was presented to us on ABC. And I can just see him shooting at everyone.
20-year-old Patience Carter, a college student and aspiring singer, shot and clinging to life in that bathroom.
Tonight, struggling.
The guilt of being alive...
Patience listening as Mateen calls 911, pledging allegiance to ISIS and watching him struggle, his gun jamming.
He was like, damn, like he jammed.
So with my face under the stole, looking, I could see him put down.
Put down what?
Put the gun.
Okay, so what did we learn in this clip from ABC? She heard him call 911, pledging allegiance to ISIS. Yeah.
And his gun was jammed.
Well, that too.
You think somebody would jump him at that point, but no.
Okay, well, curiously, Democracy Now!
happened to have a longer clip, a real clip of this woman.
And she, now you tell me where she talks about the ISIS thing.
This is clip three.
Information has begun to emerge about the shooting at the Pulse nightclub as survivors of the attack tell their stories.
Patience Carter was shot in both legs but survived after being trapped in a bathroom with the shooter, Omar Mateen.
She says she heard Mateen call 911 to say he was carrying out the massacre because he wanted the United States to stop bombing his country.
Mateen was born in the United States.
His parents are from Afghanistan.
Carter gave her account on Tuesday.
And after that, he even spoke to us directly in the bathroom.
He said, are there any black people in here?
I was too afraid to answer, but there was an African American male in the stall where most of my body was, majority of my body was, had answered.
And he said, yes, there are about six or seven of us.
And the government responded back to him saying that, you know, I don't have a problem with black people.
This is about my country.
You guys suffered enough.
And he made a statement saying that it wasn't about black people.
This isn't the reason why he was doing this.
But through the conversation with 911, he said that the reason why he was doing this is because he wanted America to stop bombing his country.
Hmm.
That's a little different.
Yeah.
Well, she had time to think about it or time to be debriefed, perhaps.
No, they don't want her saying this.
That's why it was on Democracy Now!
And it wasn't on the networks.
Ah, yes.
They never played any of this clip on the networks.
The guy overrode what she said.
They didn't have her statement.
You're right.
Part of her poem.
And he says she heard him call 911 and pledges allegiance to ISIS. It was also...
That's the narrative they want.
They don't want her saying...
Right.
Early on, the narrative first...
It was racial because it was Latinite.
Then it was homophobic.
So there was a lot of things they did not want.
They did not want the homophobic meme in there if he himself was perhaps gay.
We'll get to that later.
Well, I would say they wanted the homophobic thing in there, but unfortunately you couldn't get the gay part of him out of this narrative.
So they switched it or did something and pushed this ISIS nonsense, and the reason that they don't want the tapes released is because what the little girl said about what he was fudging, you know, bitching about.
They have to edit out the black people can go part.
Or whatever he said.
She said, very specifically, when he called 911, he says this is about Afghanistan, about bombing.
Right.
And if that's the case, it blows up everything.
It blows up the gay thing.
It blows up the ISIS thing.
It's just some upset guy.
Now, your theory, of course, is that he's pissed at somebody.
Well, you know what?
Can I take it from here?
We'll come back to the background.
Okay.
Okay.
This is what I saw.
I saw this change very, very quickly.
Of course, we had the president come out.
He said, hey, this was an act of terror, but we probably should get guns off the street.
So the whole guns thing was good to go.
They're always ready for that.
They've got stacks of paper.
They've got press release.
Everything is always ready for any kind of mass shooting.
But what they were not prepared for was for what happened.
Now, I am no fan of Don Lemon.
No fan.
But a couple things happened, and this was late last night.
Or the night before, I'm sorry.
And I'm watching Don Lemon's show, and he has the ex-wife.
Who has done, I think, two interviews.
One was with Lemon.
The other one, I haven't seen.
I saw the other one.
It was on either ABC or CBS. I think it was ABC. Right.
Well, she's vanished now.
She's gone.
But here was the problem.
So you have Don Lemon.
And, of course, he's a minority.
He's gay.
He's very opinionated.
And at this point, we're looking at, oh man, this is ISIS, this is terrorism, the hate gays going and killing us, and of course, Don's very personally involved.
And then he gets his ex-wife on the phone.
He has her on the phone for 20, actually, not the phone, but...
On camera, I have no idea where that was done.
She may be completely fake for all I know, but here's the things that she said, and I had to tighten this up because there were lots of pauses, and I only got a couple minutes that were worthwhile, but I think it's the crux of how the message went the wrong way.
It's looking into reports today that Omar may have reached out to men who attended the Pulse nightclub on the gay dating site or some gay dating sites.
There's been a great deal of discussion on CNN and other places about Omar's real motivation and what that was.
What do you think it was?
You know, a lot of the questions that I had back when I was with him when we were together and I was getting abused, not able to understand why he was treating me this way and why he was behaving this way, they are somewhat being answered by everything that's being uncovered.
Because she's now finding out that he was gay.
So far.
Because it, to me personally, with everything that I went through and everything that I saw and experienced daily, it makes sense because he did have a different side of him that he could not open up to his father about.
The fact that he liked to go to nightclubs, the fact that he loved to drink, these were not things that were welcome in his family structure.
Okay, so this is really important that she's saying, look, the things that he was into was against the family structure.
His father was probably a very typical relationship in this case.
And I'll just say that in Afghanistan, there is a long-held cultural tradition of the dancing boys of Afghanistan.
The, what do you call them?
The Batchabazi boys, where they dress 9, 10, 11-year-old boys up as girls and make them dance sexually for a room full of men.
This is really true.
You can look it up.
This is not making...
There's a lot of pedophilia.
Yes.
If he went through that, but he wasn't in Afghanistan, but doesn't mean his father wasn't still a part of that.
In fact, we know nothing about this guy other than photos with senators, congressmen at the State Department.
His little YouTube video was sponsored by Voice of America for the Middle East.
I mean, there's a lot of things wrong with this guy, and not a single person has said, what do you actually do for a living?
Where do you get your money for this nice living room we keep seeing you in?
So anyway...
Father, not going to have any of this.
Drinking, partying, and anything else.
At all.
And especially any indication of homosexuality.
So do you think that he had gay tendencies?
By the way, for a gay man to ask that in that manner is pretty despicable.
What are you, not gay, Lemon?
What are you, turn into a dick all of a sudden?
Actually, and I think this interview sounds as though it came after the other interview that I think it was ABC who did, and they just point blank asked her Do you think your husband was gay?
Which is similar to this.
And then they did a voiceover saying she took a long pause.
And then she says, I think, yeah, probably.
Do you think that he had gay tendencies?
What the hell is a tendency?
But Lemon, I just want to bookmark him saying that.
I'd like to understand what a gay tendency is.
Where do I classify that on my omni-gender status?
You know, I am not going to lie.
I definitely questioned it in my own head when I was with him and wondered if he is.
Because he would do a lot of things, little things, you know, but that would definitely make any woman question if he was or not.
This definitely came after the other interview where she started to think about it.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
So this is, CNN comes in late to the game.
But it's about to go off the rails though.
And she, good.
Yeah.
Because she's obviously been mulling this over.
Oh yeah.
Like?
You know, it was...
I can't really explain it because it was the way that he would behave that, you know, normal straight men wouldn't.
And he was very...
He loved to look at himself.
He loved to take pictures of himself.
Wow!
Talk...
Talk about stereotyping.
Yeah, too many pictures, too many selfies.
You must have gay tendencies.
Some straight men do too, but to a certain extent.
When you said he liked to go out to clubs, did that include gay clubs?
Gay clubs?
He had confessed to me that he had a past that involved a lot of, you know, nightlife and dancing and drinking.
And he did not, from what I remember, use the words gay nightclub.
But, you know, I don't know.
What do you mean?
Are you hedging there?
You don't know.
Are you hedging?
Something you're not saying.
He...
No, he never...
I don't...
What?
He's a terrible interviewer.
I cut all this stupid shit out, even.
I don't ever remember him saying that I used to go to nightclubs.
But he definitely used to have a nightlife.
He definitely was very much in that club scene.
And using, you know, drinking, using steroids, and all the stuff that...
That's another red flag.
Going to nightclubs using steroids?
Mmm.
You know, a lot of Americanized young people go through.
So I didn't make much of it at that time.
Everybody I know, they go to gay clubs for a while.
And do roids.
And they use a bunch of steroids.
They're very common.
And then take selfies.
I thought it was gay clubs.
Which, by the way, Lemon should be saying...
He should at least somewhere say, you know, we're not trying to stereotype gays, but holy crap is he letting it go.
It's a disgrace to the LGBT community.
His father, according to you or someone, maybe it's your current husband, said that his father would make comments about his sexuality around you.
Right.
What did he say?
He, I remember one occasion when we were in the living room, and I wasn't really listening too much.
I know him and his father were talking, but I definitely heard his father say and call him a kuni, which in Farsi means gay.
I don't know, we learned something new, kuni.
So he's being abused by his father verbally and probably in other ways.
And I didn't really pay attention to it at that time because, I don't know, maybe he was joking, but Omar laughed about it.
Did his father or the family, did they exhibit any homophobic behavior in your estimation?
Now, this is where Lemon screws it up.
Because he's now no longer thinking of the company in mind, of the narrative or whatever that was on the memo.
Now he's like, hey, wait a minute.
This guy hates me.
He hates gays.
Do they say things that were homophobic?
Well, they didn't have to because, you know, everything in their family structure is about perfection.
In the Islam religion, homosexuality is not that tolerated.
And especially when somebody is a political figure as prominent as father was, it is especially.
Notice how she says, as father was.
This is more evidence of a very classical...
The Islamic family structure, not his father, no, as father, as father, that's how she has to say it.
As father.
This is disturbing to listen to.
As prominent as father was, it is especially, it would really look down upon and disgraced and could shame the entire family just knowing that one person in your family is homosexual.
Now this is, wait a minute, wait a minute, now we have an American Muslim.
And we have his ex-wife saying that this is Muslim culture.
This is what it is, particularly in this family.
It's looked down upon.
It's not okay.
You can't talk about it.
I need to jump to a clip then.
I've got 40 seconds left on this one.
If you've got good stuff, go.
It's always good.
So it's definitely not welcome and they definitely expressed their intolerance and disagreed with it, with that way of life.
We've been speaking a lot on this show about homophobia in the Muslim community.
What are your thoughts on that?
You know, I will not lie and say that there is no intolerance because there is very little intolerance to homosexuality in the Islam religion.
And I think that with this happening, it's time to reflect and to change some things.
Okay, now, your clip is important, but I just need to flow through these couple of things.
Because this is what happened in real time, of course, edited down.
So after this interview, then Lemon goes straight to two other guys, duo box.
On the left-hand side, we have an imam from Florida.
I'm not sure which mosque he's from.
from and we have a professor, Muslim professor, who's gay, who was born in Afghanistan, left Afghanistan, and then Lemon.
So now we have this starting, wait a minute, so we have this, it's not just this guy was homophobic, but it appears that there's some homophobia going on in Islam and not just overseas, but in families here in the United States with people who were born here.
So now he talks to the imam, a guy in America, and he's an imam, and he preaches in a mosque, and here's his little bit.
Imam, you first.
Explain what it's like to be openly gay and openly gay Muslim.
Well, I can't give you the definitive thing for everybody, but being a Muslim and identifying with being a religious Muslim, then being gay is supposed to be antithetical to the faith.
And so what happens quite often is that when one is in a congregation situation, you could feel very sequestered.
If your sexuality is not identified, you sort of meld in and you never really express yourself fully.
However, if you are identifiable in terms of maybe more effeminate...
Nice, by the way, how the imam defines gay as effeminate.
Fuck.
Crazy.
Defiable in terms of maybe more effeminate in your look and things of this nature.
Okay, so thank you, Imam.
We're not going to talk to you too long.
Let's go over to the gay professor.
Let's talk to him about something.
Yes, so actually I was born in Afghanistan in 1979, but I returned after 32 years in exile in 2012 to be a professor of political science at the American University of Afghanistan.
And what happened was I started facing persecution.
People started spreading rumors, passing petitions, telling the government that I'm gay and that basically I'm mobilizing a gay movement and that I should be I should be forced out of the country or if I continue to stay that I should be criminalized.
Even though I'm a U.S. citizen, they wanted to try me as an Afghan national and I could have possibly received a life sentence or a death penalty.
Even considering the fact that Afghanistan is under U.S. occupation and has to abide by international norms.
But still, the Constitution is derived by divine law, and the country is under Sharia law.
99% of the population favors Sharia law, according to a 2013 Pew Research study.
And that was the same year that I came out, in August 2013.
So when I came out, you can just imagine, this is the most hostile, homophobic country on the planet.
Woohoo!
Because under Sharia law, it means gays must be killed.
There is no room for discussion.
In the United States, we had this discussion through interfaith dialogue.
LGBT Americans were able to mobilize and win the hearts and minds of people through teaching them about the science of gay, that we are like this.
We cannot change.
The science of gay.
It gets better.
The science of gay.
The context of a secular constitution and international human rights conventions.
But in Afghanistan, and across the Muslim world, that does not exist.
How can you have an interfaite dialogue when the dominant state of religion beheads you, hangs you, or throws you off of buildings?
So let me ask you this.
What?
Because it's not like that gay people don't exist in Afghanistan in the Muslim world.
What is he trying to accomplish?
He's freaking...
Well, right now there's someone talking in his ear because now he's gone on for 45 minutes with the ex-wife, with the imam, now this guy.
And the message is not only...
Is Islam against homosexuality, but there's large homophobia in the United States with American-born Muslims.
This cannot be the message.
You can hear his brain frying.
And there are actually, that we read about, sort of secret gay rituals that people don't talk about.
Now listen to this.
What is a secret gay ritual?
Well, this guy's about to blow his head off with it.
Even though, so...
It's sort of hypocritical what happens.
They kill people who may be openly gay.
But then there's this sort of secret gay society.
Now, I think Lemon there is alluding to the Bacchabazi.
Yeah, the pedophilia with little boys in Afghanistan.
Anyone can look this up.
B-A-C-H-A-B-A-Z-I. Nobody wants to talk about it.
You thought that was bad.
Wait until this professor actually gives Lemon a piece of his mind.
Absolutely.
There's a chaotic underground happening in Afghanistan where because it's unacceptable...
Back it up.
This guy obviously doesn't do a lot of media.
He doesn't know what he was put on the show to do.
Nope.
It was a big mistake.
So they brought this guy on.
I know I've worked with these networks.
They call you up.
The producer calls you up and then they do a pre-briefing.
It's not quite as bad as they do on those big talk shows.
Hello, hello, gay professor here.
Yeah, yeah, we have a couple questions for you.
You're going to be on Don Lemon, right?
Yes, yes, yes.
Oh, Don, yes, I love Don.
It's great.
Okay, you're going to be in studio, you're going to be in the remote.
Oh, fantastic, fabulous.
I have a lot to say.
You have, okay, what are you going to, Lemon, you know that Don Lemon's gay.
Well, of course, I've seen him on Grindr.
And you're going to kind of talk about gays in Afghanistan and I guess within the Muslim community.
Am I correct with this?
Well, I'd like to talk about my own persecution as I was persecuted when I came back to Afghanistan as a professor.
Can you kind of maybe minimize the persecution part and just kind of give us a background on just general...
We need something that's a little...
We don't want to get into a big debate on this.
Oh, of course.
Whatever Don tells me to do, I'll just go along with him.
That's fine.
Okay, you've done media before?
Well, campus newspaper.
Um...
I think you'll be good to go.
Okay, no problem.
Have a good time.
Enjoy yourself.
Okay.
Right.
So that's the briefing Lemon got.
Absolutely.
It wasn't a good briefing.
No, this was a bad briefing.
I agree.
There's a chaotic underground happening in Afghanistan where because it's unacceptable and the government hasn't come out and said, because this current government has stopped Murdering gays at the state level, very publicly.
Under the Taliban, yes, those were happening.
Now, he's supposed to say all that, but here's where it goes wrong.
Executions like we see in Iran and Saudi Arabia against the LGBT community is not happening.
Saudi Arabia?
Wait a minute.
I do have contact with thousands of LGBT Afghans.
Don, Don, we've got to get involved.
We've got to do something here, Don.
And they tell me that the LGBT community there is being imprisoned, raped, fined, incarcerated, left to languish, and the National Director of Security goes out and kills people that anybody who tries to promote an LGBT rights movement.
This is what motivated Omar Mateen.
He was not able to come out.
He was not able to reconcile his sexuality with his face.
No, you can't say that!
No, no, no.
And thank you.
Thank you.
I have to go.
You know, I'll have you back on, Imam.
You've been on before.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
So the minute he starts with something interesting.
Yeah.
Once it got interesting, they had to cut him off.
And then he goes and insults the professor by saying he wants the Imam back on because he's been on before.
Yeah, but the Imam didn't.
Exactly.
And do you know what happened next, John?
They cut the commercial and the very next thing.
On CNN, they were the first ones with it.
Yes.
Alligator!
Alligator!
Grab's toddler!
Alligator!
Grab's toddler!
Now, this was the hoax!
There is no evidence that happened.
But we had all the news crews run, run, run to the alligator.
Now, we have not seen...
I have no clips.
I just want to talk about this for one second.
Because that was meant as a distraction.
If you're looking for a hoax, that was a hoax.
Now, let's get back to the topic.
I just want to finish it.
We can move on.
These guys...
I got my clip.
These guys...
You keep putting off my clip.
Because my clip, which was on Democracy Now!, resets the narrative to what it's supposed to be.
Can I just...
30 seconds.
We don't have to talk about the alligator ever again.
Crocodile, alligator, whatever the hell it was.
No, we'll do the alligator right after the clip because this finishes your other stuff.
The alligator is the alligator.
And by the way, if this really happened, Disney would be sued within an interview.
And where was their crisis team?
Where's their representative?
Where's their statement?
Okay, fine.
Which clip were we playing?
Okay, this is the riot in New York.
What happened after the event in Orlando was there was a riot, which actually was a protest, a street protest in New York in sympathy for the Orlando gays.
And it was a gay thing.
And so they...
Started marching down the street illegally, and the mounted police, the horse guys, came over there and rousted him and knocked him to the ground and arrested three or four of them.
And this woman, this social justice warrior woman who you're going to hear from, is the one who is going to represent them.
She's a lawyer.
A lawyer I would never hire.
She was, by the way, very...
She didn't know...
She's never been in a studio before.
Obviously, this is the first time she's done media.
And she kept looking left and looking right, so her eyeballs are going back and forth and back and forth very weirdly.
But this resets things because this, I think what you've pointed out is that that went off the rails.
That's what we don't want to hear.
What we want to hear is this.
We see an over-policing surveillance intrusion and punishment disproportionately directed at queer and gender non-conforming people, and of course within that in particular at black and brown queer and gender non-conforming people,
which is of course complicated in this instance as well by the fact that there is this Rising Islamophobic discourse surrounding the events in Orlando.
And I think it bears noting that there is a not insignificant overlap between queers and Muslims.
So, although they're being set up in this instance as being somehow in conflict.
Nice one!
Good catch!
We're being set up as in conflict, which is the clips you played.
Exactly.
You horrible person.
But that wasn't a setup.
That was a mistake.
And Don Lemon screwed up.
And it took the other channels at least 20 minutes to get to this night shot.
Above nothing.
We have no witnesses on camera.
We have no Disney representative on camera.
We have...
I mean, you could at least get one other guest who says, oh my god, it was splashing and screaming and we saw it.
We have three kids.
No, two kids.
I don't know.
The four-year-old was in the playpen.
The two-year-old is waiting off.
No one else saw this.
Disney issues a three-line statement.
We're sorry.
It's horrible.
But anything else?
No.
That was your hoax right there.
Yeah, I agree.
I didn't even think of it as something to discuss, but if you want to discuss it as a hoax, I think you're right, because you're right.
Disney would have brought out heavy hitters because they're going to get sued for having a gator on one of their properties like that.
You can't have alligators in the pool.
And, and, and...
I heard that lots of experts on, like Jack Hanna, and said, well, this happens very...
Alligators don't like people.
They don't grab people.
They eschew them.
And this is so rare.
23 instances of human beings being attacked by alligators in the past 45 years.
Very rare.
But okay, it happened on Disney in a man-made lake.
We see no...
Typically, even if it's a plane that went down, apparently MS-804, we'll hear about that soon, you always see the boat with the somber diver with the remains or whatever.
Kind of a fuzzy, long-distance shot.
None of that.
Oh, and by the way, the child was completely intact, the body.
Okay.
Okay.
Not flattened, not pieces bitten off, nothing.
No, just flat.
It's completely good.
This was bullcrap.
And Disney, ABC, you know, I think if we were to look at it conspiratorially speaking, then a call went out from the Clintons saying, we got to stop this.
We got to bring this back to guns.
So we need a big distraction.
And really, it worked because everyone at that point was so tired, so emotional about what had happened in Orlando.
We just moved over to the alligator story.
And oh, because everyone can feel that.
And then the sheriff announces the mother, the father's name, the kid's name.
Since when do we do that?
Well, you know, that's not the only screwy thing, and let's go back to the shooting.
Yeah.
There's been a couple of weird anomalies I've never seen before, and one of them is this, and you've seen it, you didn't, I know, after about the tenth time I saw it, I said, I've never seen this before, why am I seeing it now?
Which was the listing of the dead with their photos.
Yes.
Now this is, in fact, this is the way it began on ABC. I think it was ABC. ABC Names and Faces.
And there's another anomaly in here.
This is a very short clip.
This is where it began.
Funny tonight here.
The names and now so many of the faces of the loved ones stolen from their families in Orlando.
I have to say, everybody pulled out the sad music.
CNN even brought back James Earl Jones for this one.
You're watching the world's news network.
Show all the names.
Oh, you got it?
Yeah, play.
No, that was me.
That was me doing James Earl Jones.
I've never seen this before.
There's been shootings.
There's been massacres.
There's been a few people shot.
A lot of people shot.
There's been different things going on.
Two things.
One, they never do this.
A. And B... We're good to go.
And they pulled out the heavy music box.
Everybody was doing it.
Oh boy.
With flags waving and sad people in the distance.
It was so over-dramatized.
It was actually quite good.
I have to say.
And then there was this anomaly which was...
I've never seen the NewsHour do a correction on the air with this much kind of fanfare.
I've just never seen it.
I got it.
I got it.
Last night, we aired a story about the AR-15 rifle, the weapon used in several recent mass shootings.
Orlando law enforcement officials had initially said that this was the same gun type used in the nightclub massacre.
But later, they clarified that the Orlando shooter was using a Sig Sauer MCX. That is a rifle with several similarities to the AR-15 style.
The Sig Sauer was originally designed for use by U.S. Special Operations military forces.
The NewsHour regrets the confusion.
Let me jump in with a clip from my beat just to talk about some of the incredible confusion that has crept back into the lexicon about assault rifles and what that means.
Because I saw this on the House floor when the Democrats started up a filibuster.
I saw it everywhere.
But where these incorrect messages get propagated the most is, of course, on The View.
Cue John's groan.
Now, are they still on the Sig Sauer?
Because there's a little piece of information that's necessary to really show why they made such a big fuss about this.
Sure.
Do you have another clip for that?
No, I just have the message.
Okay, go ahead.
The Sig Sauer, and the only reason they would make a big stink about the Sig Sauer, Sig Sauer, is because the Trumps, Made a big stink when they did the New Hampshire primary of having the kids go up there, meeting with Sig Sauer, and there's all these photos of them holding Sig Sauer.
Oh, beautiful.
And Eric and Trump Jr.
are there with the guy, the CEO of the Sig Sauer company, and Mother Jones.
Ah, beautiful!
Oh, the Trumps are associated with...
That's the only reason.
The correction should have been, oh, we made a mistake, it was not the Air 50, it was the six-hour, and then gone on.
They went on and on and on.
Well, all of this was taken towards bashing Trump.
The view was no exception.
Thank you.
I just want to say, you know, to Americans, you actually have a choice in this election.
You actually do.
You have power.
There's been like 133-plus mass shootings in America since the beginning of the year, and only several states have stricter laws on assault rifles.
Please, please, maybe it's my age.
How come adults don't get it?
They do.
No, they don't get it.
It's about money.
It's about money.
It's about a lot of different things, you know.
It's about an amendment in the Constitution that people misread.
This is my favorite part.
This was the face bag conversation, by the way.
The face bag was just filled with guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, take away, guns, everything, guns, bad, guns, stupid Republicans, Trump, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns.
The Constitution doesn't say you can carry hundreds of guns.
No, it doesn't specify that, Rupi.
That's true.
It says you can protect your home.
It says you can protect yourself.
It doesn't say get 55 guns.
It's not military style.
And people say, well, we need to have our guns because we can go shoot.
You can't hunt anything with an assault rifle.
You can't do it.
There's nothing left after you...
It's gone.
Now there is the typical thinking that this type of weapon, which is single shot, not full automatic, that when you say assault rifle, then Whoopi is saying it's no good for hunting because you pull the trigger and you shred the animal.
It's no good for hunting.
So there's just some pure misinformation.
She doesn't know what she's talking about.
But of course, when you do that, listen to the audience.
You can't do it.
There's nothing left.
It's gone.
It's gone.
Woo!
And not for nothing, all you people on Twitter that like to come after folks, back up!
Because you can't explain this.
No.
You can't explain this away.
You couldn't explain it in San Diego.
You can't explain it here.
There's no reason for anybody to have a machine gun, basically.
A machine gun, basically.
No, not even close.
To do that.
I'm sorry.
So, keep your stuff to yourself.
I don't care what you think.
Keep your stuff to yourself.
I don't care what you think.
So that's the disinformation, the misinformation that was being thrown out.
And it's everywhere.
A lot of work was done, I think, after Sandy Hook to explain to people what these types of weapons do.
And, you know, there's always the question.
I have a simple answer.
Like, why do you need to have a rifle that looks like a military weapon?
Because that's really what it is.
It's a rifle.
That looks like a military weapon.
And my answer is, for the same reason, we have cars that look like they belong on a racetrack.
You might as well start, because you might as well get rid of those, too.
Because, you know, it only makes you want to go fast.
And people go fast and create death and destruction.
It's a style thing.
There's something called...
Well, it is style, because there's something called fashion...
And there's something called modernity.
What's modernity?
Those rifles are modern-looking.
Ah, yes.
And they're not old muskets with a big old wooden thing hanging there, a big piece of crap kind of gun with a big giant barrel.
These are modern weapons, and you buy them for whatever reason.
You might buy...
Eric, the Shills got one of those, an AR-15.
I got an AR-15.
And he uses it because there's coyotes that come out that will kill his kids.
Oh, I use it for cans.
You can use it for target shooting.
It's a fantastic target shooting gun.
It's a great target shooter.
Actually, I'll play the second clip just to get out of the way.
This is all bigotry.
Just to get out of the way, I'll play the second one because now, of course, we have to take it to Donald Trump on The View.
Obviously.
They also don't have any ties right now between the shooter and ISIS at all.
At all.
Except for one phone call, which everybody reminds me.
He mentions ISIS, but that doesn't make him tied to ISIS. I agree.
See, they're trying to move it away.
He mentioned a whole lot of folks.
He said he was aligned with a whole lot of folks.
Listen, nobody's going to know what the answer is.
The thing about Trump, though, is that he's the recruiter-in-chief.
He is basically working with ISIS to kill us.
They are working together.
Yeah, he's the recruiter-in-chief for ISIS. He's working with ISIS to kill us.
To kill us.
They are working together.
Why do you say this?
Because every time you go after the Muslims and you talk about how they shouldn't come into the country and how they're all a bunch of whatevers, you are saying to ISIS, make another video to show people who are sympathetic to your cause.
And don't think they haven't made many videos showing Donald Trump.
No, they haven't.
We actually went through that.
There was no video.
That's a scandalous lie.
That was a Clinton lie, and she was called out on it.
A dangerous menace to the country.
I wake up in the morning, I'm so stressed out because people are actually continuing to say have more guns.
Since 2005, half of all mass killings have occurred in this country.
It's our country.
Man, I'm so sick of hearing people say it.
When you say this country, it's like you're from outer space and you landed just to do your show.
Then you're going to take off again.
Back to that country.
I'm really angry about this.
And Trump does it too.
He says our country from time to time...
But it's dumb.
It's rude.
It's arrogant.
It makes you sound elitist.
It makes you sound like you don't belong to this country when it's this country.
It's our country.
But just that would be a little...
If you want to talk about love and peace, let's just talk about that.
In 2005 is when they...
Oh, yeah.
And I want to say that, so this is another big meme, is, oh, when they abolished the assault weapon ban, then the numbers went up on mass shootings.
Yeah, but they also, just like other scales, changed the definition of a mass shooting.
It's two or more people.
We had 12 people die in Chicago over the weekend.
Also, they mean two or more people that were actually shot, not killed, necessarily.
Correct.
You don't have to do mass shooting, mass killing.
Yes, exactly.
So this is a false statistic.
The assault rifle ban was lifted during the Bush administration, W. That is when half of all mass killings started in 2005 since the ban was lifted.
So ipso facto.
Ipso facto.
What does that mean?
Ipso facto.
What does ipso facto mean?
Well, it means thus.
But...
Look it up.
I don't think it even exists as a real...
I'm just going to say it all the time.
It's made up for cartoons or something.
Listen to me, Dvorak.
Ipso facto.
In 2005, since the ban was lifted.
So, ipso facto, there is a connection to the guns.
She's a Latin instructor.
She's a what?
Latin instructor.
Since the ban was lifted.
So, ipso facto, there is a connection to the guns.
Can I also say that I think it's very interesting...
It's interesting to me that it's very telling that the first thing they notice about the shooter is that he's Muslim.
Exactly.
And it's that thing where it's very telling to see the assumptions that are made.
Hate is hate.
We all know it.
Get out of my vagina!
Okay, just to wrap up this segment, I want to make some conclusions.
The segment is not wrapped, by the way.
No, just this thing is wrapped.
Oh, the dipshits.
No, not the dipshits.
I want to come back to what I'm seeing, and then we can move forward.
What I'm seeing is, here's a guy, for whatever reason, he is gay, he had questions about his sexuality, perhaps he was abused, certainly sexual abuse, could mess someone up big time about their sexuality, who they are, it's horrible, that may have happened, but...
Just taking the timeline back into account, and that so many gay guys were saying, oh yeah, I saw him on Grindr, I saw him in the club, I saw him there, I saw him there, but none of them, none of them says, yeah, I boned him.
Now...
I'm sure that they wouldn't want to say that at this moment, but I remember when Versace was killed in Florida and they were looking for the guy and they found him and he was hiding in a boat trailer or something or some boathouse for the whole time.
And I was talking to Brian the Gay Crusader because I need to bounce some ideas off of him, so to speak.
And he said, well, back when that happened, he said, everyone's walking around town.
Yeah, I dated him.
I had sex with him.
And none of that was true.
But let's just presume right now that all these guys, gay guys, had been in contact with him.
But no one wanted to have sex with him.
In fact, time after time, I hear, well, he was creepy.
He looked creepy.
He sounded creepy.
It is possible, looking at the timeline, that there was a rage building up.
He was completely conflicted with his father, which is also a big deal.
And there was an altercation.
There's reports of people saying, hey, don't talk to him.
Come outside.
He's weird.
So he might have been rejected by the gay community as he was desperately trying to come out and fit in.
One report was from one of the guys, Brian Ross did a large piece, which I have a clip of, but you don't need to play it, describing his gay proclivities.
And one guy says, hey, he's been at a bunch of these clubs and I've seen him for the last number of years.
That's my point.
But it's possible that he went in at midnight and And something happened, and he was rejected.
I think we should stay open to the possibility that they're in the gay community.
I'll just say gay specifically, gay men, that there is some Islamophobia going on and did not help this guy come out.
You know, if this happens to you and you're in a Western society and you have feelings or whatever it is, if you can't come out to your family, it starts to build aggression.
And then you're being shunned by the community you want to be a part of because that community may be afraid of you.
There's some tragedy right there.
The gay community...
I hate the fucking community word.
LGBTQIAP, everybody needs to think about that too.
It's very possible that that was a lot of what went on with this guy.
And if you add to it that he was probably used...
Can't people be allowed not to like someone?
Of course!
Of course!
But you can't have it both ways.
You can't say, Islam hates gay, and therefore when there's a gay guy trying to be a part of the community, that he's eschewed.
Or that he's rejected, or whatever it is.
I thought it was a kind of good word.
It is a good word.
But I'm the one that uses eschewed.
I'm sorry.
I think we should take a quickie.
Huh?
I'm going to take a quick break before I discuss the thing I want to discuss.
Before you do what you came to do.
Well, in that case, I'd say thank you very much for your courage.
And in the morning to you, John C. With a C stands for Closeted Hot.
And in the morning to you, Mr.
Adam Curry.
Dvorak.
And in the morning to our chat room who have been a little off this morning.
We have people in there saying, we're full of shit.
It was a false flag.
You liars.
We're Jews.
It's so disappointing.
So disappointing.
It doesn't mean that it wasn't a false flag, but it wasn't a false flag in advance.
Correct.
Then I want to thank...
They've just taken advantage of the situation.
This guy, there's not enough...
No.
We don't have enough.
Anyway, I want to say in the morning to our artist, Nick the Rat in particular, who was back.
He brought us the artwork for episode 833, Man Buns and Mohawks.
Beautiful with Hamilton, with the gay rainbow sheet out of his gun.
It was a nice, nice stylized piece.
Thank you, Nick.
And thank you to everybody who submits artwork at noagendaartgenerator.com.
That artwork had so many messages that we couldn't even figure all of them out.
We said, it's good to go.
Bring it on, Nick.
Let's give it to him.
Anything that has to do with Hamilton.
Alright, we have a number of people to thank as an executive producer and associate executive producers.
Nobody came in with a $616.16 donation as I was begging for in the newsletter.
But we do have Father's Day coming up and if you love your father...
We have a special donation that you can give any amount, and we'll mention, we'll read your father's name as a thank you dad on Sunday.
But let's start with the executive producers, associated executive producers for show 634, starting with Jeffrey Toop.
Is it Toop?
T-O-O-P? Toop, yeah, I guess so.
In Everett, Washington.
ITM, gents.
I love and light the show.
I need a thorough de-douche.
Let's do that right away.
You've been de-douched.
And I will mention he came in as an instant for $1,000.
I've been a listener since the mid-100s.
I've kept telling myself, which is way back, I kept telling myself I would donate one day.
That day is finally here, unless PayPal screws something up.
I'd like to call out two of my friends, Andy from Spokeskanistan.
De-douchebag!
And KY from the Rumpus Room.
Douchebag!
I hit them both in the mouth about five months ago and three years ago, respectively.
These two douches have never donated.
And since I'm newly minted Instanite, I would like to call these two fuckers out to donate at least a dollar an hour.
Yeah, thank you.
Can you please play...
Well, this is good.
I like these kinds of rants.
Can you please play at the end of the day jingle for me?
At the end of the day.
Oh, okay.
I've been watching a lot more soccer and news the past two weeks and everyone is saying at the end of the day ad nauseum.
Okay.
I would like to be called Sir Carlos Spicy Wiener.
One day when I grow up, I hope to be barren.
Love and light, Jeff.
All right.
Sir Carlos Spicy Wiener.
All right.
Let me see if this is what he means.
I might have to play it at end of show.
But at the end of the day, they're backing him.
You know, they're backing him.
Come on.
At the end of the day.
At the end of the day, John.
If someone wants to get anyone, they can get him.
At the end of the day.
At the end of the day, it's more important that we have entertainment.
At the end of the day.
In the morning.
You've got karma.
Yes.
I think that went on for about ten minutes, and it broke you up the habit.
I, uh, yes.
And I'll play the, it's not ten minutes, it's a minute forty.
Uh, but I'll play it in the end of show, so you can get the whole thing all over again.
It's always fun.
Isaac, uh, how's it P-G-O-T? P-G-O-T. P-G-O-T. It's pronounced P-G-O-T. P-G-O-T. P-G-O-T. P-G-O-T. Well, anyway, Isaac Pitt in Trustville, Alabama, came in at 564.72.
Why did he come with that odd number?
It's because it makes him a knight.
It completes my knighthood.
I'd love to be known as Sir Isaac, the white knight of the shocking truth.
Ooh, nice.
That's a good one.
Back on show 817, you and John declared me as a sir.
But it's funny that he says this because I said that Eric, isn't he already a knight?
Yeah.
But you are much too premature with your proclamation.
Then again, Adam is from the future.
Since black knights are those who fell in the cracks and were recognized later than they should have been, it only seems appropriate to be a white knight who is dubbed too soon.
Ah, logic.
You guys have been nailing it lately with thoughtful analysis and have also been hitting people in the mouth when warranted.
The timing of this is important to me, though.
I have seen an uptick in interest for my consulting company.
Positive position.
Training people on how to prepare for the present to present.
I'm sorry.
How to prepare to present their best image when being interviewed in a crisis or just a presentation.
Karma has been good to me lately and it would be wrong of me not to pass it forward.
Oh, and to clear it up for John, it's pronounced...
Pick it.
In addition to the job karma, please let me have...
I'm shocked.
There's Dvorak mispronouncing names.
He is the shocked guy.
You know that, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, he's the guy.
Yeah, but I'm...
So that's...
I... I'm trying to find what he's talking about.
Yeah, he actually offered...
That's why I think I probably thought of him as a knight, because he offered...
Oh, I got it.
I got it.
I got that one.
He offered to do the shocked things for anybody who wants it for a fee that we put as just a donation, and nobody was interested in that.
Why bother?
Why bother?
And he once said, shocked, the mac and cheese jingle...
And pigs in human clothing.
And then he finishes off with love and light.
And thank you very much for your courage.
I'm shocked.
Shocked to find Dvorak mispronouncing names in here.
You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
Mac and cheese.
and cheese.
Shatter melted together.
Mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese.
Fear is freedom.
Subjugation is liberation.
Contradiction is truth.
Those are the facts of this world.
And you will all surrender to them.
You pigs in human clothing!
You've got karma.
Karma.
You ask, we play.
Ethan Katz in Fresno, $333.33.
Excellent deconstruction of late.
You guys are continuing to keep me afloat amidst the turbulent seas of disinformation and idiotic analysis perpetrated by the traditional media.
Keep up the good work.
I'd like to lobby for additional deconstruction of both tech news and any marijuana related stories.
In fact, I'd love a pot segment.
We do pot segments all the time.
We do pot segments constantly.
And it's nothing to really deconstruct.
I think it's fascinating that Barbara Boxer made up a little bit on the Bill Maher show about the supposed increase in pot-related automobile fatalities for states with full legalization.
I'd love to hear your opinion on what's happening there.
That's what we did.
We talked about this.
It was the last show of the show before then.
Did she just make that crap up on the spot?
Or is there another deeper play that the Dems are working on?
No, that's probably some survey that she's read, some report that they commissioned.
That's probably what it is.
She's an old battle axe that doesn't want people smoking dope.
But she's leaning towards it.
She's leaning.
She's always been leaning.
She's got a short leg.
As always, keep fighting the good fight against stupidity and fraud in the media.
Adam, I'll see you around town.
I'm literally 300 feet from Barton Springs Pool.
Ah, yes.
You're in the neighborhood.
Instead of a jingle, I'd like Adam to do the following.
Here we go.
Please make some sort of noise or sound during the offbeat moment in the second donation segment, bumper music.
My OCD gets most bizarre sick thrill when you ding, squirrel, or similar noise right on the point where the chorus sings, yeah, on no agendas, ding in the morning kind of thing.
For future Sir Cats.
Okay, I'll work on that.
Squirrel's good.
Yeah, but he wants it in the second donation segment.
I know what he means.
He wants it during the music.
Yeah, I got it.
Okay.
I'll remember.
He's got something going on with his...
I hope I'll remember.
Well, you can always do it.
You don't have to do it now.
You might surprise them in a future show.
Oh, yes.
Well, I am from the future.
That's what we hear.
Well, actually, I'm not from the future, but I might as well tell you.
When I was busy creating podcasting, I figured out, of course, I knew for a long time that Elon Musk is right because he's such a genius.
We're living in a simulation.
So I've been able to, through the podcast, this is why karma and the rain stick works.
I've hacked into each of your individual matrices.
And I can manipulate what happens.
That's what we're doing with the podcast.
Theremin, immediately.
I can manipulate each of your individual matrices through the bits podcasted into your devices.
Have no fear.
If you're dizzy...
Sir Mike Shoemaker in Kelseyville, California, 23456, will be the first associate executive producer for this show.
He, and I have to go around this thing to get to the beginning of this note.
Let me do that by clicking here.
Boing.
No, is it start?
Taxes are killing me.
This donation will elevate me to barren status.
I'd like to keep my humble protectorate Lake County under my reign.
We're considered the poorest county in California because most of the residents are either low-income, growing pot, cooking meth, under the radar.
Yeah, I guess it would be under the radar.
Or making some wine.
Now I've got to click on this thing to lower it.
Making some wine, blah, blah, blah.
A bit of karma for my friends.
Back up.
The tax base of the Canada.
Okay.
And a bit of karma for my friends who lost their homes in the Valley Rocky and Jerusalem fires last fall in Lake County.
It was a bunch of fires.
They were...
clouding up the whole place oh the b yeah here too the bpitu has continued to offer outstanding analysis and the bullshit that is continuously shoved down our throats at least the sheeple have been distracted from the kardashians and the transgender bathrooms by the election circus starring clippity-clop feel the burn and don and the donald and he asks a rhetorical question what Whatever happened to that nickname since he started running?
Good point.
It is a good point.
It's gone.
The Donald is gone.
The Donald is gone.
Jingle request.
Douchebag, all of you freeloading listeners who have never donated.
Seriously, not even $5 a month, he says.
Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton.
Clippity-clop, Bernie Sanders, Susan Sarandon, Cliff.
I would also appreciate getting Monation Anthem at the end of the show as I'm a happy and distracted slave.
Thank you for your courage.
Douchebag!
The message is clear.
I give you Bernie Sanders.
You've got karma.
That's good.
That works.
And that looks like it concludes our donation segment for the Executive Associated Executive Producers for show 834.
Okie dokie.
I want to remind people, go to Dvorak.org slash NA because we do have a short little period here before the Sunday show, which needs your...
Oh yeah, and there's no doubt we'll have carryover.
And that's Father's Day.
It's Father's Day.
We'll be working on Father's Day.
As we do.
Yeah, we'll be working on Father's Day.
Well, thank you to our execs and InstaNight and associate executive producers.
You get the credits right up front.
Thank you so much.
Just like Hollywood, of course, you can use these credits anywhere they are accepted.
And we highly appreciate your courage and passion.
As John said, another show coming up on Sunday.
Dvorak.org slash NA. And in that meantime, you can say, you know what?
I think I'll go out and propagate the formula.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
Squirrels.
Shut up, slay.
Shut up, slay.
Amen.
Now, before you get into your FBI CIA thing, which I want to do next, I do want to play another anomaly I discovered, which is how did this guy die?
And I have three clips.
I have the discussion of the holes in the wall, which apparently they rammed into the bathroom wall where those people were, busting a bunch of pipes, which wasn't necessarily reported.
There's no signs of water damage, but okay.
And there was actually two reports of how they shot him.
We should probably listen to them both in order.
This is the end of event one.
Hey, got it?
But the police explosives didn't break through, so they rammed the wall with an armored car.
The 15 ran out.
The SWAT team was preparing to enter the same breach to assault the gunman, but before they had a chance, Mateen left his hostages and came out of the breach shooting.
There are bullet holes all over the wall where the police cut Mateen down.
I was looking...
Where's the blood splatter?
Wouldn't it be some blood splatter if it was done outside like that?
So, head mofo in charge.
I was looking at some of his analysis, and most military guys look at the bullet holes and say, that looks like it was a spray from automatic fire, presumably from the SWAT team.
It was not a boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
They think it was...
Well, I've got a great clip.
But before we even get to that...
But I agree.
There's no blood splatter.
I didn't see it either.
Yeah, where's the blood splatter?
Should have been a lot of it, it seems to me.
Especially with all those bullets.
We need to talk to the props master about that.
Well, the reason there may not have been blood splatter is because of the second clip, too.
That's where he was really shot.
Struggle.
His gun jamming.
He was like, damn, like he jammed.
So with my face under the stall, looking, I could see him put down his machine gun.
And then the SWAT team breaks in.
The water pipes break.
They shot him dead.
There was water starting to rise.
I was getting really scared because I was thinking, like, if they don't get to me soon or something, I might drown sitting here in this water.
I was begging for God to take the soul out of my body because I didn't want to feel any more pain.
I didn't want to get any more shots.
Her raw emotion tonight, overwhelming.
Now, I'll just say one thing from experience.
I've had Glocks jam on me, but the Sig Sauer, it's got a very special mechanism.
Yeah, well, whether it's jammed or not, it probably didn't have the gun that came in and shot him inside.
Anything, yeah, something else happened, yeah.
But...
This is a tape that was done by a guy who lives across the street.
These other people used this tape because he sent it into one of the news bureaus.
And it used to sweeten all the action.
The gunfire and everything, yeah.
This is the guy.
This is the Davis Ward clip.
And this is...
I've only cut the piece out that's important.
He has decided to record what's going on across the street because the SWAT team had come, and it's like five in the morning, this three hours later.
And I don't know what was going on in the meantime, but there wasn't any shootings or anything.
There was, I guess, they claimed it was a hostage situation.
And this, to me, is a classic cop scene.
I can't imagine that they didn't kill a bunch of people.
In fact, before we play that...
This is the clip from the doctors after the initial number of people were sent to the hospital.
Play this first, I'm sorry.
This is a trauma center simulation clip.
The death toll would have been much higher if not for this.
The busiest, fully equipped trauma center in all of Florida is two blocks from here.
Just three months ago, Orlando Regional Medical Center practiced an active shooter mass casualty drill.
Well today, we spoke to six surgeons who saved lives.
Michael Cheatham, Chadwick Smith, William Havron, Mark Levy, Joseph Ibrahim, and Matt Luby.
They saw 44 gunshot patients at once.
They brought the first patient in, and then they brought another patient in, and then they brought another patient in.
And they said that there were possibly 20 more gunshot wound patients coming in.
And at that point, I called my backup.
It was very chaotic.
Okay, it goes on.
So he's seeing 20.
The word 20 comes out.
There's the word 10, somebody said.
But after 5 a.m., when this following...
It goes to 50.
It goes to 50 and 50 injured.
Now, listen to this clip from this guy across the street, and you will hear hell break loose for just enough time to...
Who knows how many bullets were fired?
Get drunk in that hole!
Get drunk in that hole!
Get drunk in that hole!
That was to kill one guy?
Bye.
*laughs* Yeah.
Now, do you think that was sweetened, or do you think that's original audio?
No, no.
There's no way.
It was just, you could see, he had the thing, it was posted.
Yeah, I don't think it was sweetened at all.
That was the barrage.
Yeah, and do you know what time this was?
Five.
That was at five.
Okay.
That was when the SWATs finally came in.
And there were still people in there.
So if they did that in the bathroom, people died.
Well, they did it outside.
I don't know where they did it.
There's a lot of holes outside.
I don't know.
There was four holes on the side of the place.
Maybe they just started peppering the place.
I have no idea because they're not reporting it.
They're not discussing it.
The guy came barreling out shooting supposedly.
So, you know.
Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure that, you know, because they won't release the tapes, I'm pretty sure a lot of casualties took place because of the SWAT team who just went off.
Yeah.
Hard to say.
They will not discuss that after the fact?
You can be sure of it.
Yeah.
No, they won't.
They won't.
Well, there's one other...
No, we'll get into that in a moment.
Now I want to go to the FBI... FBI versus CIA thing.
So we had...
Can I... I just saw a clip here.
I would like to get out of the way before you do that because this is about the FBI. Okay.
Because I'm going to...
This is like a kind of an Ask Adam.
Uh-huh.
This is the CBS report of the FBI. This is a short clip of Comey with this unbelievably strange comment at the end of this report.
This is number one.
The FBI had run two investigations of Hassan, but was accused of failing to connect the dots before that shooting.
In the Mateen investigation, the FBI is promising a review to determine if something should have been done differently.
Our work is very challenging.
We are looking for needles in a nationwide haystack, but we're also called upon to figure out which pieces of hay might someday become needles.
Federal law enforcement sources say they have few opportunities to spot and stop lone wolves.
Scott, even when they get the intelligence they feel they need to build a case, often the First Amendment limits what they can do.
What?
The First Amendment limits what they can do?
Wait a minute.
If they need to build a case, often the First Amendment limits what they can do.
Whoa, hold on.
Let me spin it back a little more.
What the heck is going on here?
I don't know.
Bret Baier.
Stop lone wolves.
Scott, and even when they get the intelligence they feel they need to build a case, often the First Amendment limits what they can do.
Would he not mean the Fourth Amendment?
He might.
I don't know, but this is Scott Pelley.
This is CBS National News.
This is a big show.
I have a clip, too, where Scott Pelley responds to this issue.
What do you think he would say if you're assuming it's the Fourth Amendment?
I would say...
The First Amendment is the freedom of speech.
I mean, what does it have to do with anything?
Well, I would say, unless you meant the Fourth Amendment, is there some freedom of speech issue that they are violating by going after someone, by investigating them?
Yeah, that would be my question.
Okay, here we go.
Often the First Amendment limits what they can do.
Jeff Pegues in the Washington newsroom.
Jeff, thank you.
Well, Orlando became part of the presidential campaign today.
Yeah, of course.
He wasn't listening.
That's why.
He doesn't care.
He wasn't listening.
He was not listening.
All right.
Now you're on your own.
Okay.
So...
You have asserted, and this is not just from you, this is, in fact, it comes from Carl Bernstein, how close the ties are between the CIA and the media, and we're pretty sure that Trump has not been, in fact, you've brought it up several times, Trump's got to figure out how to deal with the CIA because, you know, they are working against him.
And if he's not all on board, then, you know, then he's going to have some problems.
Yes.
And I would say that when it comes to CIA, that is the Obama, Clinton, and probably Bush...
That's their guys.
But certainly, CIA is much more for Clintons than FBI. In fact, FBI are probably very annoying towards the Clintons because they know a lot of stuff because that's what FBI does.
It's the culture.
Traditionally, beginning with J. Edgar Hoover, who was pretty much the first guy there, they've worked blackmail.
Correct.
So here we have Comey coming out and saying, hey, you know, did we screw up?
I might have.
I don't know.
We'll look back.
We'll look forward.
We'll be open.
We'll be transparent.
You know, honestly, to tell you, I don't think we messed up.
I don't know.
Anybody Who listens just without the background we have, which is a lot more than what is being told, would say, no, either you turned this guy and you tried to use him, you tried to radicalize him, or you had him working for him.
I don't know, whatever it is, you screwed up.
You screwed up, you screwed up, you screwed up.
And no one is saying FBI screwed up.
Certainly not in the media.
Now, Trump was on Hannity.
It was actually quite an interesting interview.
He was very comfortable, and I think he led a lot more than he should have.
And here is the first clip.
The FBI knew this guy claimed at work that he was connected to al-Qaeda and Hezbollah, reports he cheered after 9-11, and they looked into him for 10 months.
He got free.
How do we fix that?
Well, they had a bad day.
I'm a big fan of the FBI and things can happen and I guess they didn't have anything concrete on them.
Really?
Really?
They had a bad day?
They just had a bad day.
I'm a big fan of the FBI. He's all in with the FBI. And we do know, we've talked about this before on the show, Comey is a banker and a Republican.
Right.
Stay with me.
Now, that, of course, was not going to be...
No one's going to take that lying down if you're part of the CIA, right?
Michael Hayden got rolled out, former director of CIA. Yeah, he's a monkey on a string.
Listen to the words he's saying.
Listen to what he's saying in these multiple clips.
Here he is on the Morning Joe Show.
Don, your FBI agent earlier, mentioned this.
Look, we've had three examples now of folks on the radar.
Major Nadal Hassan, Tamerlane Sanaev, and now Omar Mateen, who are on the radar, who were looked at and then dismissed.
Look, this is not my criticizing the FBI.
No, hey, look!
This is not my criticizing the FBI. Wow, okay, okay.
Yes, that's exactly what you're doing, and that's why you're saying, hey, let me put that in your head.
This is not me correcting the FBI. Then dismissed.
Look, this is not my criticizing the FBI or the agents who looked into this.
But you know what, Joe?
It's quite possible that when they looked into these individuals, they weren't in the place that they finally ended up in.
So this is just very hard.
Look, you talked earlier with David Ignatius.
He said, look.
He says it all the time.
That's when he wants you to listen to his lies.
I could sense a sense of resignation in David's voice that we're getting pretty close to the limits as to what the state can do without changing our nature as a society.
Well, and there's one kind of very...
Sort of nebulous area where all of this possibly could be tracked in some way, or maybe you tell us.
It's online.
I mean, his Facebook page was taken down, but I wonder if there's a trail online if there was access to...
Here's Mika basically saying, hey, you should track us better.
...the search engines used, etc.
Where do we go from there?
Where do we stand now?
Well, look, American industry, in terms of Facebook and Twitter and so on, have actually been pretty good at taking down sites that are obviously a clear and present danger.
But, Mika, where do you draw the line between independent thought and something the state has the right to forbid?
All right, so there he is with, ah, I'm not trying to call out the FBI. This is not Hitler, this guy.
Here is Hayden once again.
Does law enforcement have the tools it needs?
Do the taxpayers give enough money?
Are there enough men and women on the ground?
So right now, the Bureau is under-resourced to handle that number of cases you and I just discussed.
He's talking about FBI. Thousands to tens of thousands.
And then what do you do after you've let someone go and say, no, he is not a danger at this time.
If you had more resources, you might be able to check in every now and again.
So, number one, the Bureau probably needs more resources if we want them to do this.
And that's a separate question.
Beyond that, the Bureau probably needs more tools, if we want them to do this.
They need more authorities to use the whole rack of things they're allowed to do in a criminal case, in a case that I described before to you, Jake, is not a criminal case.
It's an American about whom they have suspicions.
So how far do you want the Bureau to go in terms of invading that individual's privacy?
Do you want them to go into the Facebook account?
Do you want them to go into the emails and so on?
I mean, these are very serious questions.
Let me give you a real world example.
They're already going into the Facebook accounts.
Yeah, but what he's doing is saying, you really want the FBI to have this power?
Really?
The FBI needs this power?
Is that what you want?
Do you want the FBI to have this power?
I'm just saying he's also lying in here.
Oh, of course he is, of course.
But he's here to say, FBI, no good.
Don't forget.
Don't forget his last job was not CIA, as far as I remember.
It was NSA. It was NSA, the real spooks.
The real guys who hate FBI, yes.
He's also making them look good by saying, well, you know, the FBI, this is the third time the FBI has done that.
Third time they let someone go after investigating him.
Jake, up to Christmas Eve, there was a national outcry that the National Counterterrorism Center had far too many people on the no-fly list.
By Christmas night, the national complaint was that there weren't enough people on the no-fly list.
And so when this dies down, you're going to have somebody else in here in this chair complaining about what the Federal Bureau of Investigation is doing.
So, there is something going on, and it could be as simple as Trump, FBI, Clinton, CIA. Listen to the final clip.
This is former CIA Chief James Woolsey.
It's not the Bureau's job to try to, in a way, stop crime.
It's their investigative agency.
Their job is to find the criminal once a crime has been committed.
And if they can stop a crime from occurring, yes, they will.
But they are not principally organized to look toward the future and stopping someone from doing something even before he has committed a crime or taken action.
We're being constantly held back by political correctness.
That we are so sensitive to everybody, especially Muslims, that we can't go gung-ho and say, hey, knock it off.
To be blunt, we're held back by our own political correctness.
You agree with that?
Oh yes, absolutely.
Then what do we do about it?
Well, we've got to change that.
We have got to realize we are at war.
We've got to go into action the way we did in World War II. We've got to get the best of America on dealing with something like the dark web and figure out how to get out in front the way Sapien and some of these consultants.
What was that?
I couldn't hear.
Was it Sapient?
I tried to listen to this.
You played it a couple more times.
I couldn't get it either.
Because I tried to find out if this was something he was pushing, if he's on the board.
I could not find something called Sapient.
Listen again.
How to get out in front of the way Sapien and some of these...
Sapien?
Sapien?
Is it Satanian?
Satanian?
Satanian?
Thapien it could be.
The chat room could help with that, because I looked and I could not find any terror consulting corporation or anything.
But he's not saying that without reason.
Because he's like, oh, do it like those guys!
To the way Sapien and some of these consulting companies do and advising about business and purchases of goods and so forth, advertising.
We've got to get at least that good.
I know!
Isn't that crazy?
Listen again.
Let's play that again.
Then he throws advertising in as though this was the NPR. I know!
It's exactly what it sounds like.
Business and purchases of goods and so forth, advertising, we've got to get at least...
What kind of advertising do we have to do?
What do you think that means?
Maybe he's listened to our show and he's picked up this advertising meme.
Okay, moving on to money.
How are NPR's corporate underwriting revenues holding up in the recession?
And what about foundation grants?
Two different stories.
Underwriting is down.
It's down for everybody.
I mean, this is the area that is most down for us, is in sponsorship, underwriting, advertising, call it whatever you want.
And purchases of goods and so forth, advertising.
It's odd.
That is extremely odd.
I don't know why he throws that in there, but it's fun.
We've got to get at least that good in terms of dealing with those who may be on the verge of committing crimes, and crimes of the sort that we saw in Orlando.
We've got to...
Pull America together in a public-private partnership to take on the Islamists, the Muslim part of Islam's terrorist movement.
That's not all Muslims.
Of course it's not all Muslims, but it is some.
Okay, so I think there is something to the thought that the FBI-CIA warring factions, that this ties into the election.
Interesting to see Trump, so you said he needs to get in good graces with the FBI. He could have not done anything more opposite by saying...
No, he said with the CIA. Yeah, with the CIA, I'm sorry.
And he said, no, the FBI, good guys, I like him, they had a bad day.
Okay, now I want to, do you want to jump in with me or something?
Because I got one more track on this.
No, I think keep going, but I, yeah, well, it was easy because Comey's a Republican.
This makes a lot of sense.
It could easily be on this side of this battle, but this battle between these agencies, we have to always remember, it's mostly for the money.
Oh yeah.
It's for stuff.
To buy cool shit.
Stuff.
So they can get more stuff.
And they see these other guys as competitors.
Yes.
The NSA sees the CIA as competition.
The CIA sees everybody as competition.
Yeah.
And the CIA is the one that controls the media the best.
I mean, they have...
Which is perhaps why he mentioned advertising.
Oh, that's interesting.
Mm-hmm.
Referring to native advertising or what they...
Advertising, yeah.
Uh, S-Y-B-A-N. That's interesting.
I think it's S-Y-B-A-N, Sabian.
Let's just take a look.
Sabian, the ultimate sex toy.
No, that's not it.
Thanks, chat room.
Very funny.
Okay.
Suckers!
I think that's the...
I think that's...
Wow, it's that thing.
Okay.
Ah!
You got me.
Good one.
Rick rolled.
Nice.
Okay, then the mainstream media did something mind-blowing to me.
Mind-blowing.
This is CBS. ISIS propaganda videos like this one show men accused of having sex with other men executed in typically barbaric fashion.
And it's not just under ISIS that gay and lesbian people face the death penalty.
Same-sex sexual relations are illegal in more than 70 countries, but only in seven predominantly Muslim states can you be sentenced to death for it.
Both the Koran and the Bible condemn homosexuality, according to some interpretations.
But as the West has become more tolerant when it comes to sexuality, it sparked a culture clash with many conservative Muslims.
Now, there was a lot, and I'm not quite sure why it played out that way, but there was a lot of the mainstream media who were either interviewing people or just making statements that, you know, hey, homophobia, it's really crazy Christians.
That's really the crazy Christians that are like that.
You really got to take a look at that.
In fact, Carl Bernstein, well, no, I'll play him later.
But then, before that Trump interview, and I never watch Hannity, he did something very interesting, which is cherry-picked, but he's making an interesting point.
He put together a montage of the president talking about two religions.
And you remember the president, when President Obama first came into office, he went on what the Republicans call the apology tour.
He went to...
Right, and it began in the Middle East.
Yeah, he said, hey, we're sorry.
You know, we suck.
We're going to do better.
Love is the answer.
We suck.
Et cetera, et cetera.
So Hannity pulled...
This was a good job because it caught my attention, and he has a...
Well, he just has a mix of how he speaks about different religions.
The United States is not...
And we'll never be at war with Islam.
And I'm also proud to carry with me the goodwill of the American people and a greeting of peace from Muslim communities in my country.
As-salamu alaykum.
Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism.
It is an important part of promoting peace.
Our enemies respect no religious freedom.
Al Qaeda's cause is not Islam.
It's a gross distortion of Islam.
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.
ISIL is not Islamic.
No religion condones the killing of innocents.
And the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim.
We have reaffirmed again and again that the United States is not and never will be at war with Islam.
Islam teaches peace.
Remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.
Slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.
On Easter, I do reflect on the fact that as a Christian, I am supposed to love.
And I have to say that sometimes when I listen to Less than loving expressions by Christians?
I get concerned.
So, you are one of the few people I know who has openly said you question Obama's religion.
And you have said many times, I think he could actually be Muslim.
I say it all the time, and I would refer people to the Daniel Pipes material.
He's at the Hoover Institute and he's got a very long essay on his danielpipes.org.
Right.
I believe is what it is.
Right.
It's not.com because the CAIR folks stole that.
But anyway, you can find it, his discussion of this.
And it's very convincing.
And as we both noticed that during certain times...
No watch, no jewelry.
No watch.
He doesn't wear the jewelry, and he takes all...
So he follows these things, and I've always thought he's...
When they had the big stink about Jeremiah Wright, and he went to that church...
Yeah, we don't talk about that anymore.
No, we don't talk about it anymore, but he never...
I don't believe he ever went.
He went once in a while, sure, just to show up for the locals, but he never heard that guy go on and on and on about all this negative stuff.
And then he...
Where's his...
What church does he go to?
What president does...
Pick some local church, an Episcopalian church or the big Catholic church, one of these churches in the Washington, D.C. area that they go to every Sunday just for show.
He won't do it for show.
So you're ready for this.
So what if there was indeed a plan a long time ago, a plan a long, long time ago, That was, hey, we've got these problems with the Saudis.
The Saudis are irritating.
They're bad.
But we're stuck with them right now because they still have a stranglehold on our oil.
We've got oil relationships, big oil relationships.
They've been manipulating the price.
So why don't we try and bring in a guy?
Because this is, I think, typical uber-left thinking is...
The world is in trouble.
We do not understand how to deal with Saudi Arabia, Turkey at the time, Egypt, because we have the Sunnis and the Shias, but I think mainly the Saudis.
How about we bring in a guy who's Muslim, who understands how this works, and maybe he can bring the world together, because that...
Because if you listen to, you know, what everybody is saying after this, it's all, love will overcome.
We need to do it with love.
Yeah, I'm all for love and rainbow and rainbows and unicorns, but, you know, there's a point when you have to consider that maybe that's not the way to go.
But that is definitely the way that this president and his entire administration has steered it.
We need to be open and love and, you know, go ahead.
Our love will stop your bullets.
Well, I think it's interesting that clip, of course, it's Hannity, so he's very slanted.
He's an anti-Obama.
Of course, of course.
I said it was cherry-picked.
It was totally cherry-picked, but it was very interesting because it was cherry-picked in such a way, I mean, it's like, Muslims good, Christians bad, was really the underlying message.
Now, think about this for a moment.
And by the way, I'm going to go back to my...
Can I just add one thing?
It'll help.
Go ahead.
It's a...
I don't care if he's a Muslim.
That's what I want to just point that out.
Of course not.
But...
What if...
Hang with me on the theory.
What if Trump knew this?
Then he decided to play the longest game of his career, starting four years ago, by calling Obama out as not being a natural-born United States citizen.
I don't think he was crazy doing that.
I believe now in hindsight, if we take into account that, you know, this is the thinking, I believe that this was a long game and he was going to start this up and it will come back.
I'm sure it will come back.
But this was him getting under the president's skin early on because he knew that he was going to go after him full force.
And I think he has some information, true or not, he has information that we don't know about.
And this in an odd way in this interview he was doing came around to something else I think is going on.
Well, before you continue, I just want to throw another little variable in here.
As I said earlier, the FBI with Trump, they'd be the ones that would have all the dirt on Obama because that's what they do.
Yes.
And they'd have the dirt on Trump.
And they'd have it on Trump, too.
Yeah, he knows that.
But Trump seems pretty dull, to be honest about it.
I don't think he's got a lot of dirt.
But anyway, go on.
Well, we're going to listen to a few other things.
Except for the mob connection.
Right.
Well, everyone's afraid of uncovering that.
Okay, so here is Trump.
And so I'm taking that into account with, at the time, Egypt, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia being the bad actors we want to change.
Have a listen to this bit of the interview between Hannity and Trump.
But Mohamed Morsi, the former Muslim Brotherhood head, referred to the Israelis as descendants of apes and pigs.
Obama and Hillary Clinton gave him F-16 tanks and a billion U.S. dollars.
So if they're really concerned about weaponry in the hands of radicals, why would they give him all of that equipment?
Because I think that Obama treats others far better than he treats Israel.
He treats Israel so badly.
I have many Jewish friends, and they raise money for him, and they raise money for the Democrats.
I say, what are you people doing?
Why would you do this?
That Iran deal was the end of it.
That is the worst thing.
Perhaps we'll go down as the worst thing that's ever happened.
Hillary was a part of that, too, because this negotiation started then.
She was a part of it.
She started.
I mean, it was her, and then John Kerry took it over.
Okay, this helps me with the biggest problem that I've been racking my brains about.
Just hear me out on this theory.
So what if Hillary and Obama and whoever else the Clinton cronies are, they decided, okay, we got to get this Saudi Arabia problem, Egypt problem, Turkey problem.
Why don't we go talk to the other guys?
That would be Iran.
And, of course, with Iran comes Syria.
With Iran and Syria comes Russia.
Then why don't we make a deal with these guys so we can push these fuckers out?
And the idea was good, and that's why Clinton went and met with Iran secretly.
The problem is, with the Iran deal now in place, what we're seeing is Lebanon, which is on the West Clark 7, Lebanon is now gearing up to bomb Israel from the other border.
And if Israel found out that Clinton had instigated that, she'd never be president.
You can't become president in the United States without the Jewish-Israeli vote.
And maybe that's why it was so secretive.
Hmm.
I like this.
Right?
Yeah.
There's not a peg missing there from your little step letter.
That makes sense.
Like, oh my god.
And that would warrant deleting transcripts, lying, covering up the lies, the video deletion.
Yeah, we cannot let the Israelis know, although, gee, I think they know by now, I think their intelligence would have gotten into her server for sure, if anybody.
Well, there's that.
If you don't mind...
Well, you know, the funny thing about this thesis is that this really probably, you can see it in Netanyahu.
Yes, I agree.
He just seethes when he's with Obama.
He just oozes from him that he hates this guy, he knows something.
Mm-hmm.
Well, it's good you bring that up, because being a student now of Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, and you must read his blog, blog.dilbert.com, and every post he does, he says at the end, I am voting for Hillary Clinton because I am forced to.
I'm not safe if I don't.
For my own safety.
For his own safety.
But we've learned that Trump is using very brilliant hypnotics.
He's using persuasion techniques that Scott Adams has deconstructed, and we've played it on this show.
So when it comes to anyone hating anybody, but now specifically President Obama hating...
Trump, he did a brilliant persuasion technique, actually a couple of them.
This is the one that aired continuously after his speech.
One of the folks on television said, boy has Trump gotten under his skin.
But he was more angry, and a lot of people have said this, the level of anger, that's the kind of anger he should have for the shooter and these killers that shouldn't be here.
Now, every single time, this is Scott Adams' concept, every time, this is not his concept, it's well-known persuasion techniques, every time you hear the president getting mad at Donald Trump, now anchored in your mind,
which creates bias, what is it, consideration bias or something he calls it, Every time you see, and I actually took a picture, because I have the same couple of clips, where Obama goes off on Trump.
Crazy!
In fact, you might as well play that clip.
That's the Obama rant, which is the prelude.
It was almost like a setup.
It was the prelude.
This is a radical Islam rant.
It was brilliant.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Which one is it?
This is the radical Islam rant from Obama that Trump was reacting to in that clip.
Yes.
For a while now, the main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL is to criticize this administration and me for not using the phrase radical Islam.
That's the key they tell us.
We can't beat ISIL unless we call them radical Islamists.
What exactly would using this label accomplish?
Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away.
Yeah, that's right, because it's ISIS, ISIL, IS, Daesh.
He goes on, he doesn't have the whole clip.
He gets mad.
He blasts Trump.
He gets mad.
So every single time, and this clip, this was not just on Handy.
Every news station was playing this as a bumper out into commercials.
I had this clip, the version I have of the clip, which is a little longer, and you might want to play it.
Yes, I would, I would.
This is the...
I'm going to tell you this, though.
Trump retort to Obama.
Play this, but this was on Democracy Now!
And I watched President Obama today, and he was more angry at me than he was at the shooter.
And many people said that.
There's the anchor.
One of the folks on television said, boy, has Trump gotten under his skin.
But he was more angry, and a lot of people have said this, the level of anger, that's the kind of anger he should have for the shooter and these killers that shouldn't be here.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
So that's an anchor, and that was on purpose, and that was extremely well done.
He did a second one.
This is for Clinton.
It's an oldie, a goodie.
I think it still works even for today's millennials.
She never until yesterday said radical Islam.
And that's because she was shamed into it.
She was shamed into it by me.
And that's because of the pressure I put on her.
But here's a woman that takes all of this money from these countries.
And then she says she loves women.
And she's totally with the gays and the...
Notice he was using your language, John.
The gays.
The gays.
Which the gays have taken issue with, I just want to point out.
When you say the gays.
And she's totally with the gays and the, you know, whatever group you might talk about.
And by the way, I just want to say, there is a lot of strife between the gays and the lesbians and the trans.
This is not a community.
LGBT is not a community.
Gay guys are mean to lesbians.
I'm generalizing, but I have an omni-gendered daughter.
I hear a lot.
Gay guys, if they can be really mean to lesbians, and lesbians and gay guys can be mean to transsexual people.
It's not cut and dry like it's one big community.
Well, the gay lesbian...
Now, let me just tell you, Sean, how can she be?
They want to kill the gays.
They throw them off buildings.
They actually throw gays off buildings.
And she's taking money.
And I'm calling for her to give back all of the money she's taken from these countries, okay?
Here it comes.
Oh, wait.
Hey.
Wait a minute.
Oh, I'm sorry.
This is the one I wanted.
Well, that was good, too.
Here we go.
Oops.
Come on.
Play.
They have no documentation.
We don't know where they come from, really.
This could be the all-time great Trojan horse.
We'll bring the Trojan horse out of retirement.
There you go.
He's actually telling you what he's doing.
We're bringing the old Trojan horse out of retirement.
Whenever you hear about immigration, you're going to think, holy crap, Trojan horse.
You watch.
You'll be using this a lot.
Retirement.
This could be the all-time great Trojan horse.
We're allowing these people.
And Hillary Clinton wants many more to come in.
Obama's got a certain number.
She wants to increase it by 550%.
Is this insanity or what?
He also came up with a new term for Hillary, of course.
Crooked Hillary is a good one.
I like this.
This is not necessarily meant as something to anchor you to, but it was nice anyway.
Her Secret Service agent said she's a disaster.
She's a total disaster.
And she doesn't have the temperament.
She talks about my temperament.
My temperament is great.
It's a tough temperament, but that's what we need.
Her temperament, she's wacky.
I have one last question.
She's wacky!
I tell you.
She's just wacky.
I like the wacky thing because if you start looking at her photos...
She looks wacky!
She has a lot of pictures taken of her where she literally looks wacky.
Wacky.
Now, I don't know, during this past little segment, and I'd say over the last week, I would like to know what happened to Elizabeth Warren.
Yeah, we'll find out.
Do you have any clips of her?
No, no.
She didn't get in on this.
No, she has to lie low.
She's the bulldog.
She's the one that goes after and tries to bite.
She's been told to shut up and back off for whatever.
Just wait.
She's controlled now.
She is an asset.
She's in that one way or the other.
She's an asset.
So we'll see where she pops up and then we'll know a lot more about her.
Either that or she bailed.
Possibly.
She may have been told she's not going to be vice president.
She may be getting a job in the State Department.
And Trump said something you would like, John.
We're protecting Saudi Arabia.
We're spending $4 trillion, maybe $5 trillion total in the Middle East over the last 15 years.
Could be more than that.
We have to rebuild our country.
Our country's a mess.
Our airports are no good.
Our roads are no good.
They're falling apart.
I was with somebody the other day, one of the biggest trucking companies.
He said, Mr.
Trump, we can't even drive on the roads anymore.
They're so bad.
They're ruining their trucks.
You know, they're hitting massive potholes, and they will be ruining it.
Ben, he's speaking to you.
Yeah, potholes.
He is speaking to you.
That's just beautiful.
I love that.
He's not just speaking to me, he's speaking to everybody else who notices these potholes while we're building roads in Afghanistan.
Okay, now switch.
Rachel Maddow.
Yes, I had to sit through her as well.
And Rachel Maddow came up, I think we can move to this, because of the Guccifer hack of the Oppo file.
This is the document that Guccifer, apparently the Russians, And it has all the intelligence on Trump, which I read the whole document, of course.
I've marked it up.
It's in the show notes.
The only thing I find a little egregious in it is that the point number seven on the attack plan, in fact, I have it here.
I can read it to you verbatim.
Point number seven in the oppo file.
The seventh strategy prong is to focus on Trump's personal life, including that Trump's ex-wife accused him of rape, which is true.
So that's about the worst thing that we saw they can do.
This is all the intelligence they had.
It was pretty lame.
So Rachel Maddow comes out, and it's a very long segment.
I cut it down to a minute and a half.
And she now ties in this opposition file into Trump and Putin.
And because, of course, this is now reported by this bullcrap company that the DNC hired because of this hack, who write it.
I mean, the way they wrote up their document is just funny.
But whoever was in there, Guccifer, we'll just call him, was in there for at least a year.
But Rachel Maddow is now going to turn this into...
Well, you'll hear it as soon as she...
It's very edited, but you'll get the idea.
So they wanted me to disavow what he said.
Oh yeah.
Timeline reminder.
Trump, Putin, was the first one to say, I like Donald Trump.
He's going to be a strong leader.
Then Trump came back and said, I love the guy.
How can I not?
It wasn't him saying, I love the guy...
No, I'm sorry, the other way around.
Trump started by saying, I should talk to the Russians, I don't mind talking to Putin, seems like a good leader, seems like a good guy.
Then Putin came back and said, hey, Trump's a great guy.
So it was Trump who started by complimenting, saying, hey, I think we should go talk to Russia, which you and I both like, and now it's being turned around into this.
How dare you call me a genius?
How dare you call me a- And she had a number of these which I cut out.
Genius, Vladimir.
Never say a thing.
Wouldn't it be nice if we actually got along with Russia?
Wouldn't that be good?
I mean, is that a bad thing?
I know what you call it when a person never forgets an insult, right?
Somebody never forgets a slight.
You know, you say that's a person who holds a grudge, right?
What do you call it when somebody can never forget a compliment?
I mean, Putin says one flattering thing about Donald Trump in the press.
Donald Trump decides that is enough to make Russia a great ally of the United States.
That makes Putin a great leader, a strong leader, somebody who the United States of America could work with.
He said this nice thing about me.
I mean, look, they're already on a first-name basis.
Vladimir, he calls him.
Vladimir has said nice things about Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump, in return, has said such nice things about Vladimir Putin that it's actually becoming a political liability for him.
He said if he were grading Vladimir Putin as a leader, he'd give him an A. Now, I will leave it to the psychiatrist to explain his affection for tyrants.
In addition to this opposition research document, there are a few other documents that were leaked online today, including donor information and policy notes from both Hillary Clinton and the DNC. But the Donald Trump opposition research packet is the surprise here, as is the very unsettling prospect that we are now living through the Russian government and Vladimir Putin playing their own role in our American presidential election.
Eek.
Eek!
Yeah, eek!
Is she a Russian hater?
She thinks we should go to war with Russia?
Hello, hello, hello, Donald.
Donald, it is Vlad.
How you doing?
Hey, Donald, Donald, Donald.
Did you see the lesbian on the MSNBC? Her head is fried when I tell her this man is great.
Donald, you're good to go.
Chris Hayes?
No.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
So...
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh, this is...
Okay, then I'm done.
That's weak, of course.
Yes.
She's...
I don't know if anyone watches her much, but she's weak.
No, she's very weak.
Now, this one was frightening to see.
From any angle you look at, it was frightening to see Bill Clinton on Bloomberg and being asked a question that has been asked of Hillary Clinton.
She answers it the same way, but this guy was not letting up.
They had this big Clinton thing, big White House thing.
Everyone was talking, and so this was behind the scenes.
The Bloomberg question is obvious, and then listen carefully.
This is him at the end of a party or something in the White House?
No, so they had a big symposium.
And everyone was speaking.
Joe and the president.
Everyone was talking, except Republicans, of course.
It was a White House slash Clinton Global Initiative, I think.
Just listen.
Looking forward to what I think you probably expect and hope will happen next November.
What happens to your initiative, Clinton Global Initiative, if your wife is president?
Well...
I think right now, I just want to say what Hillary did.
We'll have to cross that bridge when we come to it.
If she wins, we'll have to think about it there clearly.
So now he's avoiding the question by saying, well, if it comes to it, yeah, when it comes time, we'll cross that bridge.
Although, I mean, come on, in November, I'm sure you have some plans in place.
Politics is different from what I do.
I mean, I just try to get partners together and make something good happen.
The government should do more of that.
And the president is trying to involve more people from the private sector in a lot of his decision making.
Yeah, that's not going to fly.
You have to be careful to avoid actual or potential conflicts.
Well, that's the issue because people have raised that.
Even Donald Trump's raised that and things like that.
And lots of things get raised.
But it gets dicier if your wife is president.
We'll think very clearly about it.
Uh-huh.
And we'll do the right thing.
We'll try to explain it to the American people.
But I'll have to wait.
First, I don't believe in counting your chickens before they hatch.
And so let's see how this election unfolds.
But there will clearly be some changes in what the Clinton Foundation does and how we do it.
And we'll just have to cross that bridge when we come to it.
Okay, so this crossing that bridge when we come to it is what Hillary has been saying.
And Bill was so downtrodden in this interview that I believe he knows there's only one way to fix the problem.
If Hillary Clinton becomes president, Bill has to die.
That's the only way the Clinton Foundation can continue in its current manner.
And I think he knows it.
Like, I'm not counting my chickens too quickly.
We'll see.
What other option is there?
Well, he's got to be...
We've discussed this before a lot.
And we still have our kind of a running bet on what's the opportune moment.
And I've said closely, it's got to be an October surprise.
It's got to be something that just shuts Trump up.
Well, it would also shut up the problems with...
We weren't going to ask anymore because everyone's going to be all, you know...
This October's going to be quite interesting and see if he can get through it.
There was a vigil...
I'm not so sure.
What you're describing is a good analysis.
I'm not so sure he's all in with this idea.
No!
He's very sullen and downtrodden.
I think he's like, oh crap, I don't know what to do.
You should watch the interview.
of you.
He does not look happy about these questions.
Now, there was a vigil at Mizzou, University of Missouri, for Orlando.
There were lots of vigils in Austin, in New York, in San Francisco.
I mean, there was everyone.
We're going to stop this with love and come together.
And I'm all for it.
I'm all for the love and kumbaya.
But what happened at University of It was, to me, an outrage.
So this is the stage.
There's a number of students on the stage.
This is the vigil for Orlando for our LGBT brothers and sisters in the community who were affected by this.
I was really nervous to get up here because there's a lot of white people in the crowd.
And that wasn't a joke.
I wish this many people came out to our racial demonstrations and our Black Lives Matter movement.
How are you?
How are you?
We're on stage.
I don't want to stand up here and be angry because this isn't for me and this isn't for you.
It's for the people that we lost and the people we may lose tomorrow and the people we lost yesterday.
But I thought I'd take the moment to just list out some facts that many of you probably don't know because you're white.
I'm tired of the black and white dichotomy that happens every time we talk about race or anything that goes on in our country.
At least she said our country, but she's hijacking this for a racial issue.
Yeah.
It's the time to consider the shades in between, like mine.
And as much as it is awesome that there's so many people here today, but it's like, who are you really here for?
So...
The brother.
It's bad.
Now people are going, hey, hey, hold on, we're here for everybody.
Stop hijacking.
Stop hijacking.
Hey, hey, hey, no, no.
We're here to blame everybody.
We're here to support.
Sir, I asked you to please, just please.
I love you so much right now for getting up here and being When so often, your voice is unshared and it doesn't matter.
And right now, it matters.
She's only about Black Lives Matter.
It was really insulting.
And people were outraged at that rally.
But not as outraged as I was.
I'm going to kick it back to you for a while.
At this White House Clinton thing, whatever the hell it was...
Oprah was hosting, and she had our first lady, Michelle Obama, on stage.
And they were talking, so, you know, they're kind of just having a little moment there on stage.
This is a United State of women.
There are a lot of cool men out here.
Let's give it up for the brothers.
There's a lot of cool men out here.
The brothers.
For the men out here.
I guess white guys need not apply.
One said brothers, the other one said men.
We have to hearken back.
And remember that Michelle and Oprah don't really get along.
No, not at all, but they got along fabulously here.
It sounds like one of them contradicted the other, because one of them said brothers, and the other one said, wait, men.
Yeah, so Michelle said brothers, Oprah says men, but then...
Let's give it up for the brothers.
There's a lot of cool men out here.
For the men out here.
What can men do leaving here?
Be better.
Now, I just want to say.
The hell?
Exactly.
I thought for a moment, I thought, oh, this is out of context.
You know, it's out of context.
It's a joke.
It's funny.
Because, of course, if you and I were on stage, you said, hey, what do you want to say to the women out there?
Be better.
You know, you'd be tar and feather.
And we were laughing about it.
We'd be tar and feathered, I tell you.
Be better at everything.
Be better fathers.
Good.
Okay, I can understand, especially if she was talking to the brothers, be better fathers.
But they're talking to all men.
Okay, that makes a little sense in context, but no.
Lord, just being good fathers who love your daughters and are providing a solid example of what it means to be a good man in the world and showing them what it feels like.
Is that Michelle talking?
Yes, Michelle.
Yes, Michelle.
Yeah.
If you're going to be a good father, you're not a good father to your daughter.
You're a good father to your daughters and your sons.
This is a vague reference to Obama himself.
Oh, yeah.
He likes to be loved.
Not vague, specific.
That is the greatest gift that the men in my life gave to me, and we've talked about this.
Yes.
The fact that I've never experienced abuse at the hands of any man in my life, and that's sad to say that that's a rare reality.
So men can be better at that.
Men can be better husbands, you know, which is...
Be a part of your family's life.
Do the dishes.
Don't babysit your children.
You don't babysit your own children.
Be engaged.
Don't just think going to work and coming home makes you a man.
Being a father, being engaged, all that stuff is important.
Be a better employer.
You know, when you are sitting at a seat of power at a table of any kind, and you look around and you just see you, it's just you and a bunch of men around a table on a golf course making deals, and you allow that to happen, and you're okay with that, be better.
Be better.
Is she insane?
Yes.
Be better.
Be better.
Wait.
I could go on, but I'm not.
Apparently you could go on.
You get the point, fellas, right?
Yeah, we suck.
We suck.
We completely suck.
Stop golfing.
Stop golfing and making deals on the golf course.
You suck.
That's the way it's done in certain businesses.
Yeah.
No.
No, you suck.
I think it was all about the president the way I heard it.
He's on the golf course a lot.
Now, to be fair, to be fair, I believe this conference was about women.
But still, I mean, if you just replace...
It sounds like she's bitching about Obama.
Yeah, but to say this about men in that context is incredibly sexist, and it generalizes, and it's messed up.
It doesn't make me feel good at all.
I think I'm a very good man.
I think you're a good man.
Could we do better?
I'm a good man.
Sure, but everybody can do better.
But to then say, wash the dishes.
So what if I said as a man, I said, hey, fix the carburetor.
You know, that would be stereotyping.
What car comes with a carburetor anymore?
Check the calendar.
I need to be a better man, clearly.
You know what I'm saying.
You get my point.
It's not okay.
I get your point.
It was a sexist rant.
Joe Biden was at this thing, and he was funny.
That's why one of the most important things we did in the Violence Against Human Act was to articulate the basic moral principle that every single woman has a fundamental right to live her life free of violence.
I remember when we did the act...
When we were debating it, I said if a woman in this audience got up, stripped down, stark naked, and walked over to the United States Capitol, she has the right to be arrested for indecent exposure.
But no man, even in that circumstance, No man has a right to touch her.
Period.
This is the guy who comes behind women, rubs their shoulders, and says...
What does he say?
Nice fabric.
That's Bill that does that.
No!
That's Joe!
He does that too?
Joe is always rubbing women from behind.
I don't think it says nice fabric.
No, that was your joke.
It was your punchline.
I left a hole big enough to drive a Mack truck through it.
It was Bill Clinton that says nice fabric.
I've never said that right.
I could be wrong.
No, you are wrong.
Okay, I'm wrong.
And it is my joke, but it's not really a joke.
It's what he does.
And I think it's some triggering mechanism for something.
But Joe is the one who's always touching women.
Yeah, no, Joe does that.
Well, so does, remember George Bush when he went behind, of all people, Germany's chancellor?
Yeah.
And when he started rubbing her shoulders and she took her hands and threw them off her?
I know, beautiful.
So these people are all insane.
Yeah, I'd say.
I have a pre-clip we can play.
Why don't we take a break?
No, no, no.
I got a pre-clip.
A pre-clip?
What is a...
Does that need a clip wheel?
Or is it just a...
No, it means a clip of a clip of a...
Alright, while you're looking it up...
Spin the wheel!
This is a clip that should have the word donation in it.
Here it is.
People are donating more.
People are donating more, okay?
And people are only spending more on leisure activities.
A new report shows that Americans also donated more than $373 billion in 2015, with the majority of that money going to religious and educational organizations.
That's us!
What?
Religious and educational, that's us!
Yeah, but how come, where's our check?
That's what I'm wondering.
I want our check!
And now, back to real news.
Ah, you think all that's important?
No way.
Here's what you're going to be talking about at the water cooler.
The World Health Organization now says there is no conclusive evidence that drinking coffee causes cancer.
That reverses a 25-year-old warning.
Instead, the WHO says the real issue is temperature.
If you routinely drink anything that's very hot, about 150 degrees or more, there's limited evidence it could lead to cancer of the esophagus.
Science!
Science!
I love that.
There was a number of bullcrap reports they kept putting out this week.
They needed anything they could distract people with.
Hey, we got some on the shelf.
Throw it out.
Before we get to the donations, let's go to Eat Whole Grains and never die.
Doctors at Harvard say eating more whole grain may help you live longer.
They studied close to 800,000 patients and found that those who ate several servings of whole grains daily decreased their risk of dying from cancers and heart problems by at least 20%.
Oh man, what a beautiful world we live in.
Here is the most underreported story of the week.
President Obama met with the Dalai Lama today despite China's warnings that it would damage U.S.-Chinese ties.
Beijing accuses the spiritual leader of Tibet's Buddhists of campaigning to split the region from China.
The White House released a photo of the meeting but allowed no other coverage.
Wow.
I guess China was, you know, we knuckled under China's demands.
This is odd.
In the beginning of the report, they said, you can't do this, you have this meeting, it's going to hurt our relations.
So they kind of had a secret meeting.
Yeah, and there was exactly 18 seconds that democracy now spent on it, which, I mean, China?
Dalai Lama?
Are you kidding me?
That's a pretty big story.
It's a huge story.
But no.
But no.
All right.
I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fun.
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There you go.
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Okay, we're done with that.
Let's thank a few people who helped us here on show 834.
Starting with Sir John-O-Rama.
John-O-Rama in Flagstaff, Arizona.
$166.16.
And he...
He says, while listening to the discussion of Puerto Rican debt restructuring and the president's claim that this bill won't cost taxpayers a dime, I realized that this statement was actually a performative.
I like the phrase, I want to tell you the truth.
The phrase, this bill won't cost taxpayers a dime, is true.
The bill might cost the taxpayers $10 million, but it certainly will not cost specifically a dime.
Yep.
I agree.
I agree.
That's right on.
That seems to me to be...
So, Jono.
That's a good one.
This won't cost...
This is not going to cost you a dime.
It's going to cost you $10 million, is what he should have said then.
Okay.
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It was the picture of Bill Clinton with a big boobed woman.
I put the link there.
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We've got a bunch of people that picked this one up.
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Is he going to send a note in or not?
It's a check, but maybe I don't know.
It was a check, though, yeah.
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These are all going to be...
These are the small version of the palindrome, 6116.
But I don't see a...
Oh, I don't see a dad's name to say happy birthday.
It's not in the...
No, that's not for the dad.
Oh, it's palindrome.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Palindrome.
I'm wrong.
Palindrome.
Yes.
The dad's thing could be anywhere.
Yeah.
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That's nice, 61-16.
Mitch Bidron in Long Beach.
And Sean Fincham in Modesto.
That's all we got for that gimmick.
And Mitch has a call-out, a birthday call-out for his wife, Jill, who is on her way to Damehood.
When she gets there, she'll want pina coladas and pool boys.
So I'm looking forward to it.
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He did send a note in a very short note.
I'll read.
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Now look for if there's anybody's names at the end of this because we're about to go down to listen.
Say hello.
We'll put the dads on Sunday.
All the dads will be mentioned on Sunday.
If there's any on here, I don't think there are.
Okay.
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Patrick Thomas in Petworth, West Sussex, UK. A lot of UKs in this today.
We might want to talk about the Brexit.
We're the only ones covering it.
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I can see him.
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A good group here.
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I think it's Sir.
I'm not sure.
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I think it's Saugus.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I think it's Saugus, I think, California, which is a very famous town.
I think that was a check, so it was Saugus.
Probably spelled it wrong on the note.
I want to thank all these folks for the show 834 for making it possible.
Remember, we've got a show on Sunday.
There's a lot of people that might want to come in for their dad.
Say hello, dad, and for pretty much any amount you want.
That's the way it's set up.
But don't look cheap.
I mean, we do have, for example, and today we have Andrew Otto says hello to Andy.
And happy Father's Day, Wesley.
We'll mention these again on Sunday.
And that should be about it.
Sorry?
I said two.
Two came in.
Nobody loves their dad.
Not yet.
It's a shame.
Nobody...
A number of karma requests came in, in the donations, and a special karma request from, let's see, Tim Drenzek.
I think it was a knight, maybe.
Well, you and John have been knocking out of the park lately.
Keep it up on a serious note.
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My brother and wife had their second child, Isabelle.
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She was rushed to the Children's Hospital in San Francisco and has been there hooked up to life support.
She had an MRI Tuesday and the doctors say she has severe brain damage.
Other details.
Is it possible to send some karma her way and perhaps mention Isabel Amelia on the show?
I would appreciate the support.
Yes, of course.
And, you know, for what it's worth, somehow karma does tend to help.
We're not miracle workers here, but for everyone who needs it, here is some karma for you.
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A little Brexit news, just to clear our heads from the United States of amnesia and the tragic kingdom.
The funny thing happened on the Thames.
Yes.
Britain's EU referendum.
I love this.
The campaign has taken a bizarre twist after rivals from both the Remain and Leave camps took their increasingly vocal war of words to the waves.
In what's already been branded the battle of the Brexit, in-and-out supporters clashed on London's River Thames.
Passing Parliament, one Leave trawler reportedly drenched a Remain vessel.
The two fleets had set sail to campaign about EU fishing policy.
60% of Britain's quota is now in foreign hands and 60% of the British fishing fleets being scrapped.
So what we're here to do today is to take the fishing industry story to the capital and say to the British people, we are the perfect example of everything that's wrong with the European Union.
We need to get out and we need to be free to chart our own destiny.
The stunt in London came as Britain's finance minister George Osborne warned the UK faced a near 38 billion euro black hole if it leaves the EU. Let's take the mid-range of what the impeccably independent Institute for Fiscal Studies says there would be in terms of a black hole in the public finance.
Black hole?
The mid-range Not the worst case.
The mid-range is a £30 billion hole in the public finances.
And this would be a permanent and structural hole.
And frankly, there are only a certain number of taxes you can put out that are going to raise the sums required, and there are only a certain number of big government budgets you can cut.
And that's the cold reality of quitting the EU. But the clock appears to be ticking if the Remain campaign is to turn things round.
Several latest polls give Leave a slight edge, heading into next week's vote.
So it's the battle of the Brexit on the Thames.
Now, yeah.
I was going to say, I apologize, it was another clip, but I just, I didn't, I don't know what happened to it.
Well, I have a clip too, but I do have Farage talking.
Okay, because it was Farage against Bob Geldof.
Do you have that?
Yes, I got both of them yelling at each other in this clip.
But I want to say something about the clip you just played, which is also reiterated in my clip, which is this big hole.
What the British are telling us, the stay.
Yeah, it's like a magic money machine, the EU. Apparently, the EU pays the bill.
I mean, it sounds as if the UK is broke and they're a welfare state being supported by the EU. Is that what's going on?
Because that's what he said.
It's even worse.
I've seen the explanation videos, like, we put this much money in, and look how much money we get back.
It's like, you put in a dime, a dollar comes out.
It's amazing, the EU. It's fabulous.
Well, let's play my version.
This ran, of course, this is biased a little bit, because it came off of Deutsche Welle.
Britain's EU referendum campaign turned to a farce today as Leave and Remain campaigners clashed on London's River Thames.
It was an eye-catching stunt, but there was more serious stuff being slung around in Parliament.
Finance Minister George Osborne said that he would immediately raise taxes and cut spending if UK voters take the country out of Europe.
And with only eight days until the vote, the country appears to be sailing into some uncharted waters.
As the crusade known as Brexit sailed into its final week, British fishermen took their campaign to leave the EU to the high seas.
A flotilla of vessels steamed up the River Thames to protest the EU's fishing quotas.
Campaigners say the local industry has been left unable to chart its own course.
Wow.
is based on a principle of equal access to a common resource.
That's the legal wording.
And what that means is the United Kingdom owns the biggest resource, therefore we have to share what is ours with everybody else.
And that's it.
But musician and philanthropist Bob Geldof, part of a group of Remain supporters, joined the war of words by attacking the UKIP leader.
Nothing!
Fuck you!
Britain has the second largest quota for fish in Europe after Denmark.
You're the fraud, Nigel!
Safe on dry land, Britain's finance minister upped the ante with a dire warning that he'd have to introduce an emergency budget with tax hikes and spending cuts worth £13 billion.
The rest is repeated.
But what's interesting is that And Geldof thinks that Great Britain's fine because they're second.
They're not even first on their own resource, the fishing.
They're second to Denmark.
And then there's a bunch of others.
They all have quotas.
You can only pull out so many fish of whatever sort to meet your EU requirements.
And it's like, wait a minute, they're second to Denmark?
Where did Denmark get to be number one to pull the fish out?
Smaller country?
Yeah, it's EU regulations, man.
It's beautiful.
And by the way, Bob Geldof thinks that's great.
Bob Geldof is a gun for hire, and he's a failure.
How's Africa doing, Bob?
Did we end all the problems in Africa?
We are the world.
Do they know it's Christmas time?
Please.
That guy's a douche.
Everyone knows it.
Everyone hates him.
The government still thinks, oh, call in Sir Bob.
He'll fix it.
Sir Bob can fix it.
Sir Bob can fix it.
I want to play something that's a little different.
Is it still Brexit?
Because I've got two more things.
Oh, no.
If you're on Brexit, I want you to finish that.
Yeah, I've got a question.
Because I turned on Dvorak Horowitz Unplugged last night.
Well, for like quarter to two.
And I think I heard you say, I'm John C. Dvorak.
And I woke up and it was morning.
Did you guys talk about this?
Yeah, I mean, this has absolutely nothing to do with anything fundamental, macroeconomic, central bank policy.
This is entirely fear about how close the EU referendum vote appears to have gotten over the last few days from the polls and people just not wanting to put on risk and looking for safety.
Does that mean that we think that we're going to bounce higher in, what, just over 10 days' time, just under 10 days' time?
No, the question here is, so the German 10-year sovereign bond went negative for the first time.
Yeah, we did talk about it.
Okay, good.
So this is Elsa from CNBC Europe, and she's saying, hey, will it bounce back after the vote?
And she's obviously fully considering that it will be a vote for stay instead of leave.
The vote goes through.
Well, I think, you know, as long as that vote goes through and you still have a vote for remain, I would expect 10 to 20 basis points higher within a matter of days on the bunds on the back of that.
But I think the flip side and the risk, and this is why you can't really position onto that, is that if that were to fail and if the leave camp were to win, I'd see bunds trading in a negative 20 to negative 40 range.
Okay.
So your analysis, or you guys talked about it?
I would agree with that.
Yeah.
They like the idea of negative interest because it means you have to pay the bank to hold your money.
Would you please hold my money?
I'll pay you.
Which is kind of done with fees anyway, to a little extent, because you don't get any interest and you pay fees.
So you're actually, with most checking and banking accounts, savings accounts today, if there's fees that are incorporated in many...
Business checking accounts definitely have a fee that can be as high as 10, 20, 30 bucks.
You're paying negative interest rates because you're not getting any interest, I can assure you.
No, no.
So you're paying, right now we're in negative interest rates in some sort, but they haven't been institutionalized in the bond market like they are being done and they wanted to try this in Greece.
This is like a banking experiment, which brings me...
I have one more, I have one more, I have one more, one more.
It's still in finance and banking.
Steck sent me this, who watches CNBC a lot.
This is Bruce Richards from Marathon Asset Management, and he's angry at this whole Brexit thing.
Because if you poll their people in their countries, we believe that they are also not in favor of the EU. It doesn't mean that you open it up to a referendum like Cameron's done.
We think that was very ill-advised to let the people vote at a moment in time, whether they should be members or not members, after 50 years of work and being a member of the EU. This is something that should be decided by the legislative body, the parliament, not by a popular vote.
Shut up, slave!
Hey, people, shut up!
Yeah, that was a good one.
You shouldn't be able to vote.
Yeah, you shouldn't be able to vote.
It's a non-democratic operation anyway, the EU. This is just the bureaucracies taking over the world in advance of one world government.
That's the way I see it.
And I think the propaganda machines that they have are probably better than the other ones.
I don't think this vote's going to make it.
Like you said, if it does, they'll just do it again.
Let's do it again.
It's a do-over.
Do-over.
No, they've already said they have a mechanism.
If it's too close to call, there'll be a do-over.
If the margin of error is due, there'll be a do-over.
Now, I will give the No Agenda producers my tip.
Since we talk about finance, I don't know anything about it.
But I guarantee you, Bitcoin will hit $1,000 just before the vote, which is when, if I had something, if I was trading, I'd sell them.
It's going to hit $1,000.
It's already at $780 now or something, some crazy amount.
It's been going up.
And you'd be good to sell then, but maybe sell half, because if it is a leaf, it's going to go through its old lows or highs of 1,200-something or other, which shows it's not really good as a currency.
But as an investment vehicle, this thing is on fire.
Now, so...
Kind of fitting into this as we talked about the banking and the bankers like to screw us and do all the rest of it.
This guy Thomas Frank shows up on the News Art because he's got a new book and he's got a good publicist and a publisher's pushing this book.
And he's a liberal, old-fashioned liberal, classic Democrat.
And he wrote this book called Listen Liberal where he bitches about the current We're good to go.
You go find some Democrats.
They're the ones with the money.
The DuPonts are Democrats.
The Hearsts are Democrats.
Everybody in Silicon Valley is a Democrat.
Warren Buffett.
Warren Buffett's a Democrat.
Gates Foundation.
Bill Gates is a Democrat.
You have John Doerr, big Democrat, and a big Democrat supporter of Hillary and whoever.
So let's listen to this.
Hey, just look at that list they got from people who donated a million dollars to her.
That's a cool list.
Yeah, I wish you had their email.
All the emails are on it.
No, no, John.
This is a great...
I'll send him a solicitation for the No Agenda show.
It's a beautiful list.
I couldn't find a copy.
Oh, I have it.
I have it.
I have it.
Okay.
Thomas Frank.
This is the Thomas Frank Listen Liberal.
We have part two, but this is part one.
The Democratic Party, the sort of leadership faction of the Democratic Party, isn't really, at their core, bothered by inequality.
They think that, to a certain degree, it reflects the way things ought to be.
This is because the leadership of the Democratic Party is not who we think they are.
It's a different group of people serving a different agenda than their brand identity tells us.
And you describe them as pretty much the opposite of the working class, the blue-collar workers in this country.
Yeah, that's not who they're interested in anymore.
I mean, once upon a time, you say they're Franklin Roosevelt or Lyndon Johnson or something like that.
Yes, absolutely.
That's what the Democratic Party was about.
They were about the middle class of this country.
Today, they are about the professional, managerial, highly educated, white-collar, affluent, suburban people.
Class.
That's who they identify with.
They've sort of developed this enormous literature talking about how this class of people is at the pinnacle of history.
This is also the class that they themselves are drawn from.
They talk about these people all the time, and they see that this group of winners It's a pretty harsh criticism,
and you're basically saying that the leadership of the Democratic Party, Silicon Valley, the academics, the folks on Wall Street who are Democrats, really don't care about the working class.
Yes, that's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
The more shocking thing is that the Democrats basically are a party that identifies itself with Wall Street and that identifies itself with Silicon Valley and that identifies itself with Big Pharma, with these industries that they are forever talking about, you know, and saluting because they're so creative, they're so innovative.
You know, this is where these sort of these knowledge based industries where the, you know, the kind of professionals that Democrats see themselves as representing.
This is where those kind of people are found.
And so they look at Wall Street and they don't see this kind of colossal villain or, you know, the way, say, someone like Franklin Roosevelt would have understood Wall Street.
Instead, they see classmates.
They see their peers.
Hmm.
Sounds like a good book.
Yeah.
Now, let's just play a clip.
It's very short, and it kind of finishes off.
I thought it was like a punchline at the end, so I added this.
And you end the book, Thomas Frank, on a pretty pessimistic note, because you say until the leaders in the Democratic Party understand the role they've played in bringing things to this place, things aren't going to get better.
Yes, that's exactly right.
I mean, because it's clear that the Republican Party, it's clear from my point of view, I should say, that the Republican Party, with its dedication to markets and its philosophy of entrepreneurs, is not really interested in inequality.
But what's shocking is when you realize that the Democrats themselves aren't really interested in it either, that the kind of liberalism that you see in the Democratic Party is a liberalism of the rich.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Please clap.
I always like to hear people voicing our opinions.
It's always not.
Well, I got some doozies for you then.
First of all, I want everyone to know that on Sunday I will have a full rundown of the National Defense Authorization Act, which is 1,666 pages long.
Nice to see the 666 staring me from the title bar the whole time.
Nice.
And just to let you know some of the stuff that's in here, a definition of directed energy weapon systems.
In this section, the term directed energy weapon systems means military action involving the use of directed energy to incapacitate, damage, or destroy enemy equipment, facilities, or personnel.
Yeah.
Ray guns.
Beautiful.
Yay!
But, even more important, When they define electronic warfare, which we'll hear about in just a minute, the term electronic warfare means military action involving the use of electromagnetic and directed energy,
To control the electromagnetic spectrum or to attack the enemy, and it includes electromagnetic spectrum warfare, which encompasses military communications and sensing operations that occur in electromagnetic operational domain, and then they go into all, and this is what I'll be talking about on Sunday.
It's pretty creepy.
There's a lot of other cool stuff in this document.
Very briefly on cyber.
Cyberspace is now officially a war zone, according to NATO. This means cyber attacks against a member nation could trigger an Article 5 collective response by all 28 states involved.
How about that?
So if you attack the U.S. with a cyber attack, it could trigger Article 5, which means we all turn around and go and kick your cyber ass.
The declaration was made after a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels.
Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg says cyberspace is the new battlefield.
Cyber attack can trigger collective defense because we regard cyber attacks as something that can cause a lot of damage and can be very dangerous.
And as I said, it's hard to imagine a conflict without a cyber dimension.
NATO is already working on cyber defense.
Experts from 15 member countries work here at this center in Tallinn in Estonia.
It's estimated they deal with 147 million suspicious actions each day.
Of course.
Yeah.
Okay.
Port scanning.
Nice.
A little bit of F Russia.
Speaking of people we like hearing when they speak our language.
This is former ambassador to Russia, Ambassador Matlock, talking about Ukraine's problem.
And notice what he's saying and how he gets cut off for saying it.
Stupid old coot, shut up.
I think one thing we tend to forget...
Is that there is only one country that can solve Ukraine's problems, and that is Ukraine.
The basic problem is that Ukraine is a deeply divided society.
When I was ambassador to the Soviet Union, whenever I went to Ukraine, I always gave my speeches in Ukrainian language.
I've been following things that happened in Ukraine since I was a high school student and did reporters on the role during the war.
I know this country.
And I also know that when they got independence, their borders were to some degree artificial.
Crimea had only been added by FIAT, without consulting anybody, in the 1950s.
And so Ukraine, I went there to advise a group in the late 90s on national security from some other former colleagues from our National Security Council.
We were telling them how we organize our national security.
Ukrainians came back and said, look, you're talking about foreign policy.
Let me show you what our problem is.
And they showed us sides of the last election, very evenly divided, almost entirely on the West on one side and on the other side in the East and South.
Now, and this is in every election.
Also, they had a constitution which was not a federal constitution.
It was unitary.
A president who won maybe by just one percentage of the vote named every governor.
And you know where the violence started after the Maidan?
It started in the West by them taking over the governorships.
The corrupt president that they got rid of would never have been elected if Crimea had not been part of Ukraine.
There are a lot of issues here, a very deep history, and the basic problem is Ukraine.
Yes, Russia has intervened.
Just as we take a very close interest in countries to us.
Yes, Ambassador, but we've run over the time.
The Ukrainians are going to have to solve it.
Right.
And our involvement tends to have a negative effect.
Yes, Ambassador, we're going to need to go to Mr.
Ted's hole.
He cut his mic.
Yeah, they cut him off.
He said our involvement has a negative.
Boom, cut his mic.
Cut his mic.
Shut up.
Yeah.
Nice.
Yeah, that's good.
That's good.
I like it.
There was one other thing that happened as the FCC won an important ruling regarding the net neutrality rules.
There's multiple lawsuits running, and it looks like the FCC took a win.
And how long did we go on about this net neutrality, how it was bad?
And I'll just remind you of one thing.
The most important thing that we on this program and within our intelligence network take issue at is the term legal content and legal technologies.
And legal data traffic.
So you can talk about packets back and forth and peering and bandwidth limiting, whatever.
The danger is in these terms, which are in the document, and it's very specific, that ISPs cannot cut off, regulate, or do anything with legal traffic or legal content.
So that's very problematic.
But how does the New York Times explain it?
Well, they put together a little bullcrap video for the morons.
The Federal Communication Commission's new net neutrality rules reclassify high-speed Internet as a public utility.
The goal is to ensure an open and equal Internet for all content, otherwise known as net neutrality.
When you download content from the Internet, it arrives in packets of data.
Think of the packets as literal packages.
Let's say you want to watch a Netflix movie, which is 10 packages big.
First you order, but before Netflix ships, those packages have to go through a sorting facility.
In this analogy, that's an Internet service provider like Verizon or Comcast.
Now, what net neutrality means is that all packages must be delivered at the same rate, and the new FCC rules are in place to make sure that happens.
Broadband providers want to keep control over the delivery rates, but the federal court ruled that as a utility, high-speed internet should be equally accessible to all Americans.
This decision may lead to even more rigorous regulations of providers like Comcast and Verizon and fuel their legal battle with the federal agency.
Now, while this may be celebrated as a big win in the tech horny circles, this is one of the worst things that could happen to the internet.
In fact, it's the beginning of the end.
At least for the free and open web as we know it.
And for other things.
I mean, even Bitcoin may be regulated as illegal traffic.
Torrents, illegal traffic.
Torrents, for sure.
Any blockchain type stuff, illegal traffic.
So, good luck.
Good luck with that.
Yeah, it's going to be a while, but they're going to do it.
Oh, they are.
I'll tell you, one of the things that's going on, especially with the cord cutters that nobody likes, this actually plays well into the Comcast hands, I don't see them complaining that much, is that you're not going to be able to torrent stuff.
You're not going to be able to download the last season of Person of Interest because you didn't see it on the TV, but you can get it.
You can get it from a number of sites.
They have it, and you want to watch it.
So you can just torrent it and watch it on your television that way.
No, that's done.
That's going to be over because that is illegal.
It's an illegal download.
It's illegal traffic.
It's illegal traffic.
And they're going to eventually figure out that the torrent protocols...
Are going to just have to be stopped because the only way to stop this.
And it's not just a few sites with a few things.
Pretty much anything you want from the entertainment world.
Not necessarily in advance.
I suppose there are some sites that have stuff in advance.
You can go get, you know, some Malaysian site might have some of these movies before they actually come out.
I'm going to tell you that even using a VPN will be considered illegal traffic.
I think that's a possibility.
Now, VPN, you can argue, and I think they will, and this is going to take years before this is resolved.
And I'll tell you why, how they'll argue it.
A lot of this Title II was argued on the comparison between telephone numbers and IP addresses.
This is mind-boggling.
That is what convinced the court...
That it should be regulated like telephony.
Because an IP address is unique.
It's unique just like, of course...
It's a phone number.
Yeah, it's a phone number.
And, you know, IPv6 is just a longer phone number.
You know, it's just a really long phone number.
Yeah, this is insanity.
But everyone's lapping it up, lap, lap, lap, because they just don't want to face the truth.
They don't want to pay more for Netflix because it would cost Netflix more.
I have two questions I ask commonly.
One is, if everything's supposed to be all net neutral and everything, how come some ISPs and some ISPs have the Netflix network appliance that's sitting right there at their central office?
And they're feeding their customers Netflix movies quick and easy.
And other operations do not have the appliance.
And so you're not getting the same...
This is not neutral.
This is unneutral.
And the second is, when do you have the example?
Because the one they like to use is, oh, because Comcast is going to slow down everything so they can make you use their stuff.
When has this been done?
I mean, if there was examples of this and you could point the finger, oh, they've been screwing me with this and that, and they've been shorting me, my bandwidth, because they don't want me doing something.
Which the government now can do, by the way.
They'll be able to not give you something you want, which might be a copy of a personal interest episode.
When has it happened that you can point the finger at an example?
There's no examples of these things that they're bitching about.
Everyone's a sucker.
They fell for it.
Yes, you're going to get a lot of emails about people with examples, so good luck with that.
John at Dvorak.org.
Don't send it to me, please.
The examples won't be valid.
It'll be something they had.
Like my example, when I had my Comcast issues, and it turned out it all tracked back to a squirrel.
Squirrel!
Love that.
It did.
It took forever for them to come out and find the squirrel that gnawed through my connection, but they did eventually.
It took a year.
And I suppose I could complain about that.
But, you know, they took care of it and it's done.
I'm fine.
No squirrel.
All right.
Well, we're way over time.
You want to bring...
Well, I can have a clip blitz, but I'm not going to...
You can just get these things out of a couple of these.
These are short.
Let's not do a blitz.
We'll do a blitz on Sunday, but just do one or two just so we can get out nicely and make people feel good about life.
Oh, they have to be something they can feel good about?
It's been pretty depressing so far.
I don't think so.
Okay.
Um...
Let's go with a background check of data for something, Dianne Feinstein.
California Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein has released new statistics showing more than 90% of known or suspected terrorists who have attempted to buy a gun since 2004 have passed a background check and been cleared to do so.
The data from the government accountability...
Before they continue, there's also a new meme I wanted to mention.
Okay.
The terrorist loophole.
This is the new one.
The terrorist loophole.
I haven't heard that.
That's good.
It used to be the gun show loophole, which is not a loophole because you cannot purchase a gun in a gun show without or online.
It has to go through a federal firearms dealer who's licensed.
So it's categorically not true.
Now, can you buy something in a parking lot?
Yeah, you can buy something on the east of the 35 in Austin.
Sure.
But they've changed it from the gun show loophole to the terrorist loophole.
Be on the lookout for it.
...and cleared to do so.
The data from the Government Accountability Office shows between 2004 and 2015, nearly 2,500 people on the watch list applied to purchase weapons.
Nearly 2,300 of them were approved.
Ta-da!
I thought that was good news.
Approve.
I was going to say something.
Okay, go ahead.
I'll come up with it.
Let's just play this last clip, which is good news.
This is the Oakland violence.
I'm glad we're number three.
According to the most recent FBI statistics, Oakland has more violent crime than any other U.S. city except for Detroit and Memphis.
It was in this supercharged atmosphere that city officials took an unprecedented step.
They decided to have outsiders analyze their officers' behavior knowing the results would not be pretty.
Oh, pretty.
I wanted to say that regarding, you know, gays and guns and all this stuff, Austin would actually be a perfect place to do this since we have open carry laws.
It would be great if everyone who has a long gun, a rifle, an AR-15, whatever you have, long gun, put on your rainbow shirt.
Let's go down to 4th Street and Dirty 6 and let's go stand in front of our gay clubs and let's go protect our gays.
This would be great.
Do you have any no-gun zones in Austin?
Oh my gosh.
Well, they had the big argument about the university.
UT was a no-gun zone.
Now that's changed.
Yeah.
There were a couple other minor things I wanted to say.
Oh yes.
Two things.
First of all, a tip.
If all of this stuff is bothering you and you're having trouble sleeping, here's a tip.
I saw an interview with Moby.
You know Moby?
No, I... Yeah, I know Moby.
Yeah, he's a dick.
He's an obat dick, and I've never liked him.
Never.
But he did something really cool.
He released an album for free.
Of course, if you're Spotify or anything, you're paying for it anyway.
But you can download it free off iTunes, and I think you can download it free from his website.
And it's eight hours of ambient sleeping tunes...
The ambient sleeping noises that he put together to help himself sleep.
And I've been using it for the past week.
I've got to tell you, because normally I'll have Mozart, very soft, while I'm sleeping.
But this is, oh my God, like a baby.
Well, it's probably got some messaging going on, too.
You'll be very interesting in the weeks to come.
Pay attention to me, will you?
Yeah, I will.
That's important.
Pay attention to me.
All right.
I think we've wrapped.
I should mention that the shooter in Orlando is also scoping out Disney World as a possible target, which really takes the gay element out of the whole thing.
Yeah.
It could be bullcrap, too.
Well, I'm sure we'll know even more by Sunday.
Hopefully there will be other things to discuss.
And if anyone has any eyewitnesses or anything from the alligator toddler kid, I'd love to see that.
That'd be great.
Oh, and of course, we'll probably be discussing football.
Futhball, Euro 2016 soccer.
The Russians are getting screwed over, and there's international fracasses over the...
The Russians are going to get disqualified and kicked out.
F Russia.
You guys suck.
Sadly.
We have another, now the Warriors-Cavaliers playoffs have been tainted by the league, and so now we have to watch a couple more of these games.
They still haven't won nothing?
They should have won it, but they took one of them.
I told you!
You didn't believe me.
I didn't believe it because I didn't realize how corrupt the NBA actually is.
Which I should have realized when they busted a couple of those referees for fixing games.
But they're going to make this thing go seven, it looks like.
We'll be back on Sunday with more deconstruction for you.
Please remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA. Mucho importante.
And coming to you from the Crackpot Condo in downtown Austin, the skyscraper in the morning, everybody.
My name's Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's Thursday, that means they're taking out the garbage.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
We'll be back on Sunday, right here, on No Agenda.
Adios, mofos!
Ladies and gentlemen, please rise for your Gitmo Nation National Anthem!
In the morning, Gitmo Nation, we are all charged up to be...
Human resources and servants in all lands and all ships at sea.
From the east to west, down under, to the lowlands and beyond.
We are happy and distracted slaves.
Hear our good for nation's song.
I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson, bitch.
The shadow is that part of ourselves that we feel guilty about.
The shadow is that part of ourselves that we feel guilty about.
Pause to take a pill.
Make a pill.
Make a pill.
Ignoring me, I'm going to embarrass you.
Ignoring me, I'm going to embarrass you.
Everyone has a shadow.
A wealthiest Chicago commodities broker with no known connection to the national security world.
He pouts, he's belligerent.
He is that part of ourselves.
You know about pharmacological corn?
When you mention the phrase, the shadow, everyone has a shadow.
When you mention the phrase, the shadow, you're ignoring me.
You're ignoring me.
I'm going to receive emotional retardation of a three-year-old.
You're ignoring me.
I'm going to embarrass Trump at the moment.
He is, in a way, representing the shadow of our collective consciousness.
But at the end of the day, they're backing him.
You know, they're backing him.
Come on.
At the end of the day, John, if someone wants to get anyone, they can get them.
At the end of the day, it's more important that we have entertainment.
So, at the end of the day, who's going to pay for the real loan?
It's going to be taxpayer money.
Because at the end of the day, that's going to be up to Valerie Jarrett.
I mean, at the end of the day, isn't that it?
At the end of the day.
At the end of the day, all this money is owed to bankers.
At the end of the day.
At the end of the day, I think it's good.
At the end of the day, as Americans, what we always do is we always say...
So, at the end of the day, it's not actually the healthcare, it's the...
At the end of the day, you can't deny I had to put less gas in...
At the end of the day...
It's at the end of the day...
We're all anti-Semites.
At the end of the day, you get, I think it's 4% starts to run together at the end of the day.
You kind of forget, right?
John, you and I are both in the audience business at the end of the day.
And so at the end of the day, she can say, hey, I told you so.
At the end of the day, end of the day.
But I don't say at the end of the day, I said it once and together.