Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 374.
This is No Agenda.
Molesting the mainstream media from Camp Mofo here in Austin, Texas, the capital of the drone star state.
In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where we're coming down from the buzz of the Miss America contest, I'm John C. DeVore.
It's Clackpot and Buzzkill.
In the morning.
You know, that's so funny, because I was downstairs in the Camp Mofo studios last night, and I'm literally working on my homework, you know, the SOPA, PIPA, open thing.
And I'm plowing through documents, and then Mickey's texting me like, she's texting from upstairs, downstairs, she says like, Oh my god, this is so amazing.
This Miss America is too funny.
She's never seen it before?
I guess not.
It's hilarious.
And she's texting what they're saying, like, I almost swallowed a diamond!
I don't know, all kinds of crazy stuff.
Yeah, stupid.
And I'm like, you know what?
I'm so happy.
I know John is watching and recording.
It's a tradition here on the No Agenda show.
It really is a tradition.
I did peak, though.
I peaked...
For a second at the question and answers, or I don't know, maybe one of them.
I guess five girls had to answer a question or something.
Yeah, and then they kicked five off.
The way they were kicking people off was pretty cold-blooded, I thought.
But let me tell you, I mean, these girls, I mean, they're ready for Fox News.
They're so good.
One of them was showing a lot of leg, and she wanted to be a broadcast journalist who wanted to play the piano.
They took some woman who played Dvorak's Fifth Symphony, or New World Symphony...
They drowned her out.
What?
Yeah, oh yeah, no, because she can't play.
Oh, she was no good?
Yeah, she's pounding away on the piano.
You can't hear a note, but she's showing a lot of leg.
Yeah, who cares about it?
You don't need to sing.
Show me your legs, girl.
Well, first of all, in the morning to you there, Jean-Claude.
In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
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Boots on the ground and feet in the air.
Yes, in the morning to all the cruise ships.
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Nice to have you guys here.
They've always got our backs on just in case we mess up.
They're always there to tell us what we're doing wrong.
Yeah, they are.
Somebody's got to do it.
Yeah, that's right.
It's a tough job.
That's the modern broadcast model.
You have instant feedback, and mistakes don't go very far.
When you make one, it gets corrected in real time.
You don't have to do mea cultas or anything.
Remember when we used to have, what are they, phone lines?
Yeah.
That's how we'd call it.
Hey, man, you're wrong.
What an antiquated system that was.
You'd be playing a record.
You're on.
You're on.
But not even that.
It's like, you know, in commercials.
Hello.
And then, hey man, you were wrong what you just said.
Oh, okay.
Whatever.
Yeah, most people are pretty cold-blooded about it, too.
Yeah, no kidding.
Well, I can get to the Miss America thing and get it out of the way if you want.
Oh, please.
Oh, please indulge me, John.
I have one, two, three, four clips.
What?
No!
I don't know if I can allow more than three Miss America clips.
No, these are worth it.
Okay.
Mainly because one of the clips is more of a...
There's two clips that are kind of...
Can we just explain why we do this first?
I think it's just because it's easy ridicule and apparently it's a rigged competition.
You think?
And you can also see the political scene going on.
It's always reflected.
It's like the World Cup.
The team that's going to win is the team that has some reason to win.
Is this another Donald Trump production?
No, no, no.
This is the old original one.
This is pre-Trump.
Trump does the Miss USA. This is old school.
Okay.
And then this is the one that has the talent competition, which Miss USA doesn't bother with.
Oh, which is too bad because that's the best.
I have to say, the bikinis, at least two, especially Miss California, was jaw-dropping.
These women had jaw-dropping figures for a change.
Yeah, okay.
Except for the one woman.
There was apparently some woman that weighed like 300 pounds, and then she came into the competition.
She lost like 250 pounds.
She'll be the spokesperson for Jenny Craig.
She's now 50 pounds.
Hey, so were there any contestants with missing limbs or anything cool like that?
No, no, there wasn't anything like that.
That'll be next year.
Let me just play you a couple of things that I thought were interesting to note.
Miss California, who had one of the most amazing figures in the competition, but she had other issues.
What do you mean she had issues?
What was wrong with her?
In terms of judging, she was too tan.
She had a...
Square face.
There's all these problems.
Oh, this is so wrong.
Square face.
But they had these women, when they came on, I think during one of the sessions, they would talk over the music, apparently some pre-recorded thing.
And Miss California, who I guess is going to become a PR woman or something, which is I think most of these women track, listen to what she says with her little voiceover.
You have to listen carefully because it's kind of drowned out by the music, but just listen to this.
Two more semi-finalists to call and one of them is...
Miss California!
Something that we could do to make the Miss America program a little bit more edgy would be picking the right Miss America to know how to work with the media and play off of stories that are hot topics.
So someone that's media savvy and knows how to manipulate the media.
Oh, so this is...
Manipulate the media?
Did she actually say that?
Yeah!
You're hired.
You are so hired.
Now, could we call her...
Can we give her a different name?
Can she dye her hair blonde?
Can we put her on Russia today?
The square jaw might work.
There were definitely a couple of Russia Today women on the competition.
Good.
Manipulate the media with your legs.
I love it.
She's good.
She's smart.
Awesome.
Did she win?
She had to manipulate the media meme in there.
But that's, I think, part of the reason she got kicked off.
Because it's a shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.
Don't say it.
Just do it.
She didn't win.
Don't say it.
Just do it.
Just manipulate.
Don't talk.
The first rule about media manipulation...
So the woman who won was Miss Wisconsin, you know, and I think it's Green Bay won the Super Bowl last year, so I don't know what the connection is.
Or Wisconsin had the government.
There's some political thing.
She was the dumbest of the five that were at the end with the questions.
Here, now, this is the Miss Wisconsin Tell.
You listen to her, and by the way, at the very end, they give it away that she's going to win, which I thought was like, wait a minute.
I only heard it, by the way, on the audio.
I didn't hear it when I was watching it.
I missed it.
Oh, sorry.
Let me just set it up a little more.
She is asked a question, and I swear to God, talk about not answering the question.
She's the clear winner here.
Go.
Go.
The first finalist to receive a question and have a chance to be Miss America is...
Miss Wisconsin!
Laura Kepler!
Come on over here, Miss Wisconsin.
Alright, let's find out which judge will be asking your question.
It is...
Lara Spencer.
The divide between Democrats and Republicans seems to be getting wider and nastier.
Do you think Miss America should be free to declare her political affiliation?
Miss America represents everyone, and so I think a message to the political candidates is that they represent everyone as well.
And so in these economic times, we need to be looking forward to what America needs, and I think Miss America needs to represent all.
Thank you, Miss Wisconsin.
Good luck.
Now you can go change for the crowning ceremony, which is coming up next.
You can go change for the crowning ceremony.
Yeah, yeah.
Wow, what an idiot.
Excuse me, I'm sorry I said that.
What an idiot.
Meanwhile, she says in the economics, she doesn't answer the questions, she just blathers.
Wait a minute, was this on ABC? I believe it may have been, yeah.
Oh, yeah, of course.
All right, gotcha.
Yeah, so it's even worse.
So, the one that should have won was Miss New York.
She was pretty, very pretty.
That's what Mickey said.
She said she was rooting for Miss New York.
She thought she was great.
Well, she was the prettiest.
She had a great, well, not the prettiest, but she was one of the top pretty girls, and she had a nice figure.
She had great personality.
She's a little bit of a fast talker.
She looked a little short to me.
Miss Oklahoma was the shorty.
And she also could have won.
She was like the...
Move on.
They're not going to pick a short woman.
You're killing me.
Let's get out.
So Miss New York...
I just want to play this.
Miss New York actually answers...
The only time in history I've ever seen one of these women answer one of these questions somewhat intelligently...
And concisely.
And as soon as she did, I said, she's done.
They do not need some smart-ass woman who maybe is sharp and can tell them to screw themselves.
She was too on the ball.
The fourth of five questions will be for Miss New York!
Caitlin Monte!
Caitlin, come on over.
Congratulations, Caitlin.
Okay, the judge that will be asking your question, Terry Polo.
The Wall Street movement became a national story in 2011 with thousands of Americans protesting that 1% of the population controls 99% of the wealth.
Do the protesters have a point?
And what should be done?
I think what the Occupy Wall Street movement did was bring discourse into the political campaigns going on now, and it has changed how things are going to go.
But the thing about Occupy Wall Street is, if they're going to come up and complain about a problem, they have to come up with some solutions, too.
You can't just say that there's a problem without trying to troubleshoot.
So it's up to them to push to try to come up with some solutions to go with it, but they had every right to do that.
Thank you, Miss New York.
It would have been better if she went.
Mic check!
That would have been great.
And the whole line is, mic check!
That would have been funny.
There was one woman who had a sense of humor, but nobody else seemed to.
Now, the final thing I had, by the way, her answer was, took her out.
You know, people have to understand, it's very important that this is actually the best show to watch to show how manipulated the American public is.
People are wondering, why are you doing this?
Why are you talking about this?
Why would you say this crap?
This is very important.
That's exactly the voice of the people who do not like this segment.
Yes, exactly.
That's exactly it.
All right.
Finish it up.
Do it once a year.
Give us a break.
Bring us home, baby.
Okay, so here's the last one.
This is a douchebag judge.
They just did the bathing suit competition with these women.
All they did was walk up and down with these really outrageous figures.
And better than years past.
And they asked this guy what he's looking for.
This is a simple question.
What are you looking for when you look at a woman walking up and down in a bathing suit?
Mark, I couldn't help but notice how intense you were during that competition.
Aside from the future wife, what are you looking for in the swimsuit category?
I think for me, I'm just looking for an all-rounder, someone who's relatable, fun, confident, knows what's going on with current events, and who's also beautiful, kind, and has a good heart.
That's what I'm looking for.
I'm glad I don't have your job tonight.
Good luck.
Right.
Four, eight, flathead, big ears.
Come on.
What's he talking about?
He says he's looking for somebody who knows about current affairs, and he's watching him going, what is he talking about?
What a dick.
What are you looking for in a bathing suit?
I'm looking for a woman who's good in current affairs.
What?
This is so stupid.
It is so degrading.
It really is so incredibly low.
And we're upset about Marines pissing on Taliban.
Are you kidding me?
This insulted every single woman on the planet.
Well, I think most of them, like, Mickey got a kick out of it because it's so stupid.
I will play, I got one more thing, which was an ad that played during this thing.
And this is a little, this changes the subject.
Because this, to me, I just caught this meme and I'm thinking, after the Super Bowl, after every Super Bowl, they take the quarterback and he says, what are you doing?
Yeah, I'm going to Disneyland, right.
I'm going to Disneyland or I'm going to Disney World if it was a place in Florida.
Here's what I envision.
Some douchebag marketing guy got into the company.
Disney parks are absolutely the place to create lasting memories.
This is my first time in Disney and I'm never going to forget this moment.
My favorite thing to do is to walk around.
I just love seeing everything.
I absolutely loved meeting the princesses and having fun on the rides.
I think we're all taking home precious memories.
Oh my goodness, I don't think there's any other way to describe Disney than magical.
I hope I can come back to Disney as soon as possible and with my entire family.
Yeah.
Disney.
It's ABC. No, no, I'm just saying, but when did they change it from Disneyland to Disney?
Oh, to Disney.
Okay, good point.
Ah, yes.
It's branding.
It's a branding exercise.
Yeah, it's a total branding exercise that I think stinks.
Yeah.
I don't want...
What, Disney?
I'm going to Disney.
Oh, well, you're going to the...
What, are you going to work for them on a movie set?
You're working for ABC now?
What do you mean you're going to Disney?
But this is the douchebag marketing guy.
Yeah, yeah.
The problem is...
Had a meeting.
You go in there.
The girl says she's going to Disneyland.
What is somebody in Florida going to think?
Yeah, they're pissed off.
We need to broaden this.
It's a different name.
It's a different brand.
All right.
So, John, while you were doing all the hard work, I was just goofing off reading legislation.
You love reading legislation.
I do.
It's crazy.
I think I'm good at it.
Well, you're getting better.
So you gave me some homework because we looked at the Stop Online Piracy Act.
We looked at the Protection of Intellectual Property Act.
Which are essentially identical, bar it that SOPA has a whole bunch of extra stuff in there about fake military parts and fake drugs and badges.
Badges with brands on it.
But both of them kind of want to mess around with DNS. And so your thinking, which I think was a pretty good lead, was that maybe this was all to create a smokescreen for OPEN, which is the...
Daryl Isabel.
Yes, it's the Online Protection and Enforcement Digital Trade Act.
So I pulled that up, which I don't think has actually been submitted.
It appears to only be in draft form.
And so I looked at that, and I'm going through it, and I'm like, you know, this is actually not too bad.
Again, a lot of the same language, and it all refers to Lanham Act stuff, and very, very typical, but it doesn't have the punitive measures in there.
So there's nothing about DNS jiggling.
There is the same provisions about stopping...
And it's all basically about domain names that are registered outside of the United States.
That's what all of this is really about, so-called, right?
But of course, if you have a bit.ly URL or.ly, you're registered in Libya, so it would pertain to you as well.
And in the case of Open...
They're essentially saying, well, we need to have a very traditional course.
If there's a dispute, you have what's called, I think, a 377 judge, or maybe a 337 judge, which is a very traditional copyright or trademark process.
If they will go and stop, if you're selling goods to Americans and they can stop PayPal, for instance, with a cease and desist order, from processing payments and advertising can also be stopped.
But nothing about DNS. And actually, I kind of liked Open because it has a provision in there where you have to deposit a bond if you're going to go after someone.
So you can't have frivolous...
You know, just like people walking around saying, hey, get him off.
It doesn't say how high the bond has to be, but at least it's a good start.
And I'm like, well, this doesn't make any sense.
How can our government actually be doing something right?
This can't be good.
So I'm digging deeper.
I'm like, somewhere we're missing something.
We're missing something.
Right?
And it's got to be so blatantly clear that we're just idiots for not seeing it.
That's the way it would work.
Yeah.
So, the first clue came to me from, let's see, the Obama administration released, here we go, you know, we had that We the People petition thing.
You can go online and you can say, hey, how about making...
Well, of course, everyone has gone online and said, let's make marijuana legal, and they come back with some bullcrap response.
So, on the 14th, which was yesterday, Obama administration responded to the We the People petitions on SOPA and online piracy.
And this is an answer which comes from Anish Chopra, who was our chief technology officer and assistant to the president.
Along with Howard Schmidt, who is a special assistant to the president on cybersecurity.
He's the cybersecurity coordinator for the national security staff.
And Victoria Espinel, who is the intellectual property enforcement coordinator.
So these are the people who have the president's ear, so to speak.
And I'm reading through this, and I'll just read a little bit of it, because this is where I started to get my first clues.
So, you know, blah, blah, blah, combat, online piracy, very important.
We must avoid creating new cybersecurity risks or disrupting the underlying architecture of the Internet.
Proposed laws must not tamper with the technical architecture of the Internet through manipulation of the domain name system.
I'm like, well, okay.
That's pretty good.
And then they actually write here, let us be clear, dash, dash.
Online piracy is a real problem that harms the American economy, threatens jobs, blah, blah, blah.
This is just not a matter for legislation.
We expect and encourage all private parties, including both content creators and Internet platform providers, working together to adopt voluntary measures and best practices to reduce online piracy.
So I'm like, OK, so it looks like they're way against the DNS thing.
And I've been looking into DNS extensively.
Have you ever heard of OpenNick?
Have you ever heard of those guys?
Yeah.
Yeah, they've been around for a while.
Yeah, it's very cool.
There was also one before them called AlterNick.
Right.
And it's very cool because, you know, it's just a perception that we have to go through these root domain name servers.
If we all said, hey, tomorrow we'll do a different service that isn't run by, and here it comes, ICANN, the Internet Corporation for a same...
Internet Corporation...
Authority assigned names, I believe.
You know, then we could just change to something else.
But, of course, you know, that would take an effort for the entire world to change their DNS servers in there.
You'd have to do a lookup on this other server.
Well, no, no, no.
You could do a double lookup.
That's not a big deal.
Right.
But, I mean, you just need to change one piece of configuration.
But, you know, the world is not set up that way anymore.
That's never going to happen.
Right.
So I'm looking around.
I'm like, we're missing something.
We're missing something.
We're missing something.
And then all of a sudden, bada bing.
At this very moment, just announced, ICANN is releasing a new capability for new generic top-level domains.
So what this means is that in addition to.com,.net,.org, and then we have the.cc, and then we have the international domain names, and.info, and.mobi, and all of this stuff, Now, anybody can essentially register a generic top-level domain.
So we could have.noagenda.
So my website would be adam.noagenda, and your website would be john.noagenda.
And we could register domain names and sell them or do whatever we want.
If...
We are in possession of $185,000.
Right.
This has been proposed in the last year and it's going to begin implementation in the next few weeks.
Right.
Well, it's now open.
So in April they start, but it's now open.
And by the way, it's only open for suggestion.
You've got to give them $185,000.
Oh, that's just the vetting process.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, then you're out at $185,000.
There's no return of your money.
Correct.
You can get financial aid, though, and then it only costs $45,000, which is a deal.
It's a steal with this financial aid package they put together.
So I'm like, huh, okay, maybe we're looking in the wrong place.
Maybe it was over here looking at all this stuff while something else is happening.
And so I'm looking into ICANN a little bit, and I'm looking through the new rule book.
Did you know, by the way, that ICANN, which they say is not for profit, but please, is run by a guy named Rod Beckstrom.
Do you know this guy, Rod Beckstrom?
Okay, well, he previously served...
I can't say that for sure.
I may have met him, but I don't...
Well, you know, he's one of these guys...
He's like...
He would have run a dot-com company in the bubble.
That's what he looks like.
But he served previously as the director of the National Cyber Security Center.
So this guy is a shill.
This is an office within the Department of Homeland Security.
So now I'm like, oh, okay.
You have my interest.
And he appeared on PBS in a very long piece, actually, 10 minutes.
I just clipped a little bit, which is what gave me the clue as to what we've been missing, along with a guy from the Coalition for Responsible Internet Domain Oversight, which is some bullcrap advertising organization, because, of course, Another smoke screen that's being thrown up is, oh, this is really bad because now I'll have all these cyber squatters will come in and register.nike.
Yeah, for $185,000, I'm going to come in and register.nike and try and cyber squat.
And so that's bull crap.
But something comes up in the conversation, and it's not Beckstrom, but it's the other guy who says something, and when I heard that, I went, okay, I've got it.
And Dan Jaffe, doesn't that $185,000 price tag discourage squatters where you could have bought a domain name pretty cheaply once upon a time?
That's pretty high table stakes for somebody who wants to buy it on spec.
It is certainly something that raises the cost.
And in fact, top-level domain sellers have said that if you want a top-level domain, that in fact you might need up to $800,000 to a million dollars at minimum.
For all of the various costs that would be involved.
And that would have nothing to do with the situation where you have an auction where people are fighting over a name which can go into the multi-millions of dollars.
But there is a group called Credo, the Coalition for Responsible Internet Domain Oversight, which represents 161 associations, groups, and companies that are opposing this rollout as premature Who all believe that this is going to create major pressures on companies to do defensive registration or dramatically increase the amount of tracking that they will have to do of the Internet and cost them millions of dollars in that regard.
And they have strongly said that it would be premature to roll this out at this time.
And another point that's very significant is there are substantial holes in the system.
That have been pointed out by the Federal Trade Commission, by other police organizations around the world, by the interagency organizations.
What kind of holes do you mean, just so we know what we're talking about?
Very, very serious situations where if you start...
One of the protections that's been built into the system, or alleged protections that's been built into the system, is something called a thicker who is approach, which would...
Give you more information, supposedly, about who actually owns an IP address, an internet address.
Okay.
This is the thicker who is system.
Have you heard of this term, John?
Never.
So currently, you can go in and you can register a domain name and you can do it in several ways.
You can basically say, my name's Dan Dildo and my number is 555-555-555 and it'll register that way.
Or if you want, you can register...
For an additional fee, and that'll be through a privacy system.
But you can still put Dan Dildo in there.
The thicker Whois system will be a requirement of all of these new generic top-level domain systems.
And here it is.
ICANN will have the RAA, this is the Registration Authentication Authority, to incorporate for the first time registrar commitments to verify Whois data.
So instead of you just going in and registering a domain and just putting down whatever information, it could be PayPal or whoever you want to pay for it, you will have to verify yourself and all of your information will have to be correct and it will be checked at multiple levels.
So the registrars will be checked by ICANN to verify that you are who you say you are.
So, I went back and I saw in the cybersecurity document that the Obama administration put out, under domain name, news, and opinion, in this future, individuals and businesses can quickly and easily obtain the tools necessary to set up their own presence online.
Domain names and addresses are available, secure, and properly maintained without onerous licenses or unreasonable disclosures of personal information.
So this whole SOPA, PIPA, open thing is a smokescreen because what is happening is you will now be required by law to verify when you register a domain name, including international domain names.
So what is going to happen is the.coms and the.nets will be deprecated and they will either have to comply with the Thicker Whois system Or they'll have to go away.
So everyone's going to comply.
Is this post facto?
Does everyone who currently has a domain name have to comply within a period of time?
Not yet.
So I think this is step one, is every new domain that you register under.
And there'll be a lot of cool ones.
I mean, you'll have all kinds of new opportunities to register.
You'll have to do it now.
So it is a complete overhaul of the registration system.
So this is basically a national ID card system.
Yes, yes.
Incorporated into a law that looks like something about IP when it's really about getting people to finally cough up who they really are.
Correct.
And no one is looking at this.
Well, I've never even thought about something.
That's crazy, crazy talk.
And here, registrars will be obliged to vet registrants whose details for accuracy.
ICANN will be obliged to vet registrars.
Proxy privacy services would continue, but police will have a single global agreement that ICANN would sign with registries and registrars modeling on the existing RAA contract.
Such an agreement would make it easier for police to quickly have sites taken down based on breaches in the terms and conditions.
So, that's how it's going to work.
It's not about messing up the DNS. That was just a red herring.
This is about you having to register and prove who you are, otherwise you can't get a domain name.
If you get a subdomain of something else, tough crap.
Those guys will take down the whole site based upon who they know is on the other end of that server.
This is all they ever wanted.
And ICANN is playing right into it.
And frankly, it's disgusting.
Who died and made the American government boss?
Well, that happened a while back.
Yeah, well, I'm just saying.
So all of this is moot, and no one, I've looked all over, I've been trying to find news articles, no one is talking about the Thick Whois system, except in the actual documents of ICANN, where they've had studies, and it's all, well, everyone agrees, that's a good idea, we should just make it so you have to authenticate.
Yeah, it sounds fine.
Yeah.
So that's what it is.
On top of that, I will say, it's pretty obvious that when you have one of the biggest sites like Reddit, where typically people talk about the National Defense Authorization Act droning American civilians about all the bullcrap and lies that go on, when you shut down that site to distract it so people can watch some stupid hearing, which is moot because it's all happening in the background somewhere else, That's pretty obvious why that's taking place.
Just to distract everyone so you don't talk about the real issues.
Well, that's...
Well...
If I were you and you were me, you would say to me, Duh!
Don't look over here!
Nothing to see here!
Ooh, look at that!
So we can stop...
You should write a column about it, John.
Yeah, if you get me, just give me that subsection and then I can, yeah, it's obvious what's going on.
That's pretty good.
I like it.
And just look for the thick holes.
I knew you'd find something.
And it's funny the way you operate because I can just see that you couldn't find anything right away so you started scramming, you started flailing like, you know, someone in the ocean.
Yeah, like my arms, oh no, oh no, I can't believe it.
I have to show up tomorrow with something worthwhile.
This is no good.
Yeah.
Nothing.
And then I still wonder why I do it.
There could be actually even more in there, but I think that's probably it.
No, no.
I think you're right.
But they've been talking about trying, you know, there's been a complaint.
And law enforcement, again, you know, they just do anything they can so they don't have to do any work.
And heaven forbid they'd have to do some research.
And there's a lot of paperwork involved.
You've got to go to a judge to get somebody to crack open one of these private deals where somebody's put their domain up.
No, no.
It'll be real easy.
Hey, it's authenticated.
You're going to have to show some government ID. There's all these different rules for verification of who you are.
And there's protocols, right?
There's all these RFCs.
And it gets into a lot of technical detail.
But it's very similar to the domain lock system, which is the extensions system.
To the registrar process?
Yeah.
I can point out something else that's always a possibility of happening, too, since you brought this up.
And I do have a very long clip about this, which is actually three clips in one, discussing the fact that we have essentially a Jim Crow system.
Ron Paul talks about this constantly, that black people have been incarcerated for minor drug offenses.
There's a book out that discusses some of the privileges that are taken away from people.
I would...
They also believe that felons will not be allowed to own a domain name.
Oh, good point.
Oh, it's going to get much worse.
And by the way, this is not tomorrow.
This is a very carefully thought out process.
Because Verisign doesn't want to move to the thick who-is system right away.
It's money.
Well, they'd have to go back and then they want to do it properly.
They want to charge everybody.
But they have to go back and basically everyone then has to verify and authenticate for the domain names you have.
Can you imagine?
We have like 900 pointing to our website.
We're going to lose a lot of them.
People will be like, I don't think I want anyone to know who I am.
So those will just drop by the wayside.
So they don't want to do that until they have a simple, slick way for people to basically go along with the system.
So first, it'll be the generic level top domain names.
Then they're going to force VeriSign to do it or all those domain names will be deprecated and will get some kind of lower priority.
It's a very obvious system.
Yeah, it's all part of the same old, you know, marching, fascism marching ahead.
Question in the chat room, yes, this will apply to international domain names as well.
Yes, IDNs as they're called.
I've read up on this, you can tell.
Ding, ding, ding.
More cheerful news here from the No Agenda Show.
We do have some executive producers to thank.
Only a few.
I feel like...
I saw the spreadsheet this morning.
I'm like, really?
I was up until 1.30 doing...
Hey, thanks a lot.
Oh, is that it?
So here we go.
We got two executive producers and an associate.
And then we have pretty much nobody helping us this week.
And I wanted to urge people to reconsider.
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My hookers and blow with a matching donation and no agenda show.
And the hooker's prices are going up, too, so that's a good thing for us.
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And I guess it makes him a knight today.
Yes, it does.
Well, that's very sweet of him.
It's nice to have someone come in and...
Save some of the day.
Yeah, Andrew in Reston, Virginia is another one.
Came in at 3-2-1.
I was wearing my human resource shirt the other day, and after helping out a stranger, I was walking away.
They said, thank you, human resource man.
That's a whole new shirt.
Human resource man.
Human resource man.
I took it as a sign to donate and gave you back some taxpayer dollars filtered through the major defense contracting companies in Northern Virginia.
Looking forward to picking up, but don't worry, we'll print more shirt next.
So basically, our tax dollars are coming back to us in a roundabout way.
Yeah, that's the way to go.
Please give me a de-douching and a shot of karma.
Keep up the great work.
Awesome.
That's very, very cool.
You've been de-douched.
You've got karma.
Very cool.
Very cool.
Is the Human Resource one of the No Agenda Nation t-shirts?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Let me see.
No Agenda Nation.
Human resource.
We should have it.
We should have human...
I think maybe he does have something that says human resource because I think I saw it on one of his...
Eric put it on one of his kids.
Yeah, he's got the kids dressed up.
He put it on one of his kids.
Andrew's something cuter than like a two-year-old wearing one of these t-shirts.
That's what I... I don't see it here.
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A donation from Andrew Seuss and Kaiser Seuss.
Please douche my brother Patrick.
He has now reduced his cable service and proclaimed no agenda is the only media worth listening to.
I demand he pay $100 to be de-douched.
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And that will be our associate executive producer, Andrew Souset.
And we have the other two.
That's all we ended up with today with NoAgendaShow.com.
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I do have two brief...
Oh, by the way, donating is loving.
And that is some real love we got from Martin and Andrew.
I think donating is love.
Donating is love.
Just love me.
I want to be loved.
You do.
PR associate, a couple things here.
You paid for reading these bills.
And that isn't exclusive, ladies and gentlemen.
That open act deconstruction, you will not hear anywhere else.
No, you're not going to hear it until all of a sudden you try to register poop.com.
And it'll be like, would you please verify who you are?
We need to...
Into your government document ID number, what's your passport number?
You watch, it's going to happen.
Yeah, passport.
Social security number for sure.
I registered Adam.Geek on OpenNIC.
Thought that was kind of cool.
I've been messing around with DNS. We have our own NoAgenda DNS server.
Anyway, I digress.
RonPaulSavesTheWorld.com is now forwarding to NoAgendaShow.com.
That's great.
Although I think we should probably have that forward to RonPaul2012.com.
Yeah, let's read.
I think we should.
I think that would be better.
By the way, did you see that blog post on the Daily Paul?
Oh, the one that talked about you?
Talked about me?
Should I read you the headline?
Talked about me.
The headline.
Adam Curry is a horrible person for ever suggesting Doug Weed was anything other than awesome.
Yeah.
And the funny thing is...
All publicity is good publicity.
I like that headline.
Yeah, but you're not mentioned anywhere in the article, and you're the one that was actually saying he could be a shill.
I'm like, what am I? I'm like the heat deflector.
That is so unfair.
That is so unfair.
And by the way, that guy shows up in 2008 during the Ron Paul campaign back then, too.
So he's been around for a while.
Yeah, but it hurt me.
You know what hurt me?
You lapped it up.
No.
Here's what I don't like.
So, you know, first of all, I only ask the question only out of the goodness of my heart, just like I hope this guy's okay, you know, and he's not in there to muck it up, which I think is a very fair question.
Yeah.
And the very things we defend Ron Paul on, like the media calling him a kook and old and a codger and wacky.
All these Ron Paul people are calling me conspiracy nut, kook, wacky, washed up VJ. I'm like, that hurts, man.
I didn't see that one.
Washed up MTV VJ who gives a crap about him.
Yeah, that hurts.
I'll be honest.
I would find it offensive.
It's very offensive.
But they did put a link to the show.
Yeah, that's good.
So welcome.
We probably have a couple new listeners that are Ron Paul supporters.
They came in, they listened to the show like...
What is this crap about the Miss America pageant?
What is this crap show?
No wonder he's a wasp of VJ. And by the way, it'll be Adam Curry was talking about Miss America pageant, not John C. DeLorex.
Yeah, he's so obsessed.
Obsessed.
Obsessed douchebag.
Anyway, I got two emails from people who I respect highly on the inside.
And I'm not allowed to tell you who they are because it would be highly inappropriate, the information they sent me.
But extrapolating from this, Doug Weed is a good guy.
But more importantly, and this is what I was kind of hoping, he has very deep ties to a lot of big religious money.
So I'm happy.
I don't care how Ron Paul gets the money, as long as he gets lots of it, because you need it.
It's crazy.
Just to get the signatures for South Carolina, it costs like $100,000 if you don't have a grassroots campaign, obviously.
It's expensive to become president.
No wonder Obama needs a billion.
So I'm happy.
I'm happy Doug Weed is in.
I'm just always on the watch for anybody and everything.
It's not a bad thing.
Besides that, we got an email this morning, and I've actually put these pictures in the show notes at 374.nashownotes.com.
Not really a No Agenda PR initiative, but it's so cool.
He doesn't want me to mention his name for some obvious reasons, because he will go to jail.
But he's our knight.
The guy we knighted on the spot in Hoboken, New Jersey, at the No Agenda Hot Pockets Tour meetup.
It says, Adam and John, as a result of your continuous reportage on domestic drone activity and the overwhelming ignorance of the general public possesses regarding drones, I felt obligated as an artist and the one who propagates memes set forth by the No Agenda Roundtable to try and help raise awareness on the subject.
And what better way than to use the instrument of fear just as our evil overlords do to enslave us?
I fabricated real street signs...
That pose as official NYPD warnings of the impending drone surveillance and imminent use of force.
Have you seen these signs?
Did you see the pictures?
I got the CC, but the pictures weren't attached.
Oh, my God.
Okay, so they're in the show notes.
I'll just read it.
So they're actual metal signs, and he's posted them.
Which we can all have made, by the way.
There's one of these sign makers down the street from me.
So he has, so there's one, it's underneath a no parking anytime sign, and it says, attention, authorized drone strike zone, 8 a.m.
to 8 p.m., including Sunday.
And see, there's another one.
Yeah, it's very funny.
Local statutes enforced by drones.
Let's see, what's the next one here?
Yeah, these are great.
Drone activity and progress.
And it all has NYPD on it, which is hilarious.
Authorized drone strike zone.
But he's very smart because he has the sign, and then on a wall behind it, He'll have a beautiful statement from either the Constitution or one of our founding fathers.
So you see, in the foreground, authorized drone strike zone.
And then in the background, constitution of government once changed from freedom can never be restored.
Liberty once lost is lost forever.
And it's art.
It's like Banksy style.
It's really, really good.
Yeah, it's Banksy stuff.
Really, really good.
In terms of conceptual.
Conceptual performance art.
Really, really good.
And I'm very proud of what...
I like it.
I'm proud of what was inspired.
What was the last one you mentioned?
The drone surveillance area or something?
What was it?
I just closed the file.
Oh, that's okay.
Never mind.
I'll look at them later.
But I think this would be worth the...
I wouldn't mind having a couple of those signs and putting them somewhere.
Oh, absolutely.
They're beautiful.
I'm just trying to think.
What was the last one I mentioned?
The drone strike zone or authorized drones strike zone 8 a.m.
to 8 p.m.
including Sunday?
No, it was the last one.
That was the first one.
Let me see.
Hold on.
I can bring it up here.
Drone activity in progress?
Yeah.
Local statutes enforced by drone.
I think that's my favorite.
I like that one, too.
Actually, I like them all.
Local statutes.
I'm proud.
You know, that's love.
That's better than donations, really.
To have that happen, that really, you know, hey, you and I will be on the street with a sign, but at least people will be waking up, so I think that's cool.
Not until the drones nail us.
Exactly.
Hey, everybody else, you can go out and do something else.
If you can't draw a street sign, you can propagate the formula.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hear people in the mouth.
World.
Order.
You got the t-shirts.
Shut up, Slade.
Oh, there's so much going on.
I'm glad you all showed up for today's show because we got a zinger.
We got a real zinger.
So we did catch a meme that somebody suggested that we look at.
We got a male in the morning, recorded the show, Bones on Fox.
Mm-hmm.
What is this show?
I've not seen this show.
Is this a doctor show?
Yeah, but it's different.
This is about a woman who is the pathologist, like a coroner type person, but she has Asperger's.
So she's kind of like nutty.
Well, she's very focused and she's got no personality, basically.
She has no sex.
No, she's pregnant, as a matter of fact.
Oh, really?
But anyway, she is a genius.
She's the smartest person in the room.
Most Aspergers are geniuses, of course.
Many.
Bill Gates is one.
So they decided to drop a few bombshells with just total bull crap.
I got two clips from this and I think this is why they wanted us to, the guy says, you gotta get this show, there's no agenda written all over it.
So play the hacktivist thing and you get a feeling for what's going on.
First of all, the hacktivist guy is an evil villain.
You have to remember that.
Right.
I am evil.
I am anonymous.
Sweetsier is one of our better profilers, and he seems to think that it's possible.
That dude from the Washington Standard said he'd think so.
Ezra Crane.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He covered my trial.
I'll tell you the same thing I told him when he called.
I'm not a criminal.
I'm a hacktivist.
A hacktivist that took out DOD's complete network and left the U.S. military defenseless for, what was it, three and a half hours?
The company that built that network got the contract because of campaign contributions.
I exposed the corruption.
I'm a patriot.
Soldiers could have died.
That's exactly why I did it.
Wow.
By the way, this falls in nicely with CNN's profile on Anonymous.
I don't know if you saw that.
No.
Yeah, I recorded it and it was so dumb.
But yeah, they keep talking about Anons.
If you're a member of Anonymous, then you're an Anon.
Which is the new meme.
This comes right back to the ICANN thing.
You won't be able to be a non anymore.
You watch.
You watch.
Yeah, no, this whole thing is coming.
This is a bunch of propaganda.
They're feeding the public and they're using popular media to do it.
And Bones is a very popular show.
And so people are watching this.
Oh, this horrible person.
The guy gets away with it, by the way, in this show.
And he also, and he's got a bracelet.
He's killing people left and right, but he's got an ankle bracelet on.
They don't know how he's getting away with it.
But the one that was the real eye roller was the one, it's fractals on a bone.
I'm going to set it up by explaining what's actually going to be told here, and you can just hear it for yourself, but I'm going to explain it.
The guy, they're in the offices, and all of a sudden all the computers blow up.
And he says, there was a virus attack, a horrible virus.
Was actual smoke coming out, like sparks?
Yeah, one day, the fire broke out.
No, really?
Yes, and they had to spray it with a CO2 canister.
Now, so they asked each other, oh, what could have caused this horrible virus to infect our computers?
We have not downloaded.
Did you download anything?
No, I haven't downloaded anything.
Have you put a disk?
No, we haven't done anything.
These things are secure.
And then the guy looks at a bone, or the woman looks at a bone that they scanned in to determine who was the person it belonged to.
It had a QR code.
And she looks at the bone and discovers how the virus got into the system.
Oh my god.
What?
It's some kind of fractal pattern.
Whoever did this wrote malware on bone that took down a million bucks worth of computers.
Who knew how to do that?
A computer genius who wants us to know that he doesn't need a computer.
Palant.
But he has an ankle model.
I'm telling you, this guy is a genius.
It's a fractal pattern.
I'm like, what?
I was right.
It's a QR code, basically.
What?
A QR code.
A fractal code.
Yeah, whatever it was.
It was like...
It was like...
That's amazing.
Is the public so...
Or do they think the public is...
I guess they do.
Yes!
So stupid?
John, you just want...
This is beyond stupid.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen on a TV show trying to pull this...
I mean, it's not even...
It's beyond science fiction.
It's idiotic.
Well, let's see how the Miss America...
Here, Miss America pageant ratings increase 47% for ABC Telecast.
Yeah.
Well, this is it, my friend.
We're done.
People don't understand.
Let's see how many million people watch this.
47% increase.
But in the Battle of the Beauty contest, Miss America also decked Donald Trump's Miss USA pageant last year by more than a million viewers.
First half hour, Miss America was in third place with 5.25 million viewers, and it grew to end the night with almost 8 million viewers.
Ooh, it had a growing audience.
Yeah.
Well, this just goes to shows.
Yes, yes.
The American public is so stupid.
And I just didn't have time because I was doing all that ICANN stuff to pull clips from the CNN thing, but I had it running in the background.
And it was just like, you know, the meme now is the Anons.
If you do something bad as a politician or a cop or a judge, then Anonymous will expose your details and ruin your cyber life.
That's the meme.
Well, they ruin your credit rate.
Yeah, they ruin all that stuff.
The Anons.
You can't be an Anon, man, because ICANN will force you to authenticate.
Well, okay.
Well, that's just leading right to what I've always said.
I've said it for years.
I'll keep saying it.
There's going to be a point where you're going to have to need a license to do a website.
Well, yeah, you will.
And you'll need your driver.
We actually have the blog.
We have podcastlicense.com.
So we'll be able to give you that.
And I'm sure it will be deemed completely official.
Well, this will be the way to grandfather in a bunch of our people.
Yeah, good luck with that.
It's possible.
Yeah, it's possible, sure.
Well, yeah.
The only thing for us to do really would be to get a.na generic top-level domain and then, you know, first of all, someone would have to sponsor us like a million bucks to do it.
And then basically we'd lie about all the authentication stuff.
We'd have to fabricate that.
Doesn't sound like a good plan now that I just said it, actually.
No, not at all.
So speaking of techno-experts, Very interesting conversation on C-SPAN. And this included Ian Schuller.
By the way, there is a.na.
Oh, really?
Namibia.
Oh.
Maybe we should do a deal with Namibia.
Let's do a deal.
Hey, Namibia, let's have a meeting.
We hate those Nigeria guys.
We keep getting email from them.
Now we want to talk to you because you don't have any princesses.
Ian Shuler works at the State Department.
He is the guy in charge of the internet in a suitcase.
Oh, the Internet in a Suitcase.
I love that name.
Well, he was asked, and he spilled the beans.
Now remember, this is a very expensive program, this Internet in a Suitcase.
Remember we reviewed the documents, and I think there was $30 million set aside for the Internet in a Suitcase project.
And when you hear Internet in a Suitcase, what do you envision, John?
What does it sound like it is to you?
Well, when I first heard it, I was thinking it was some sort of a kit that maybe had a satellite feed and you could get on the internet.
But more recently, I'm led to believe that it's the entire internet jammed onto some mega terabytes worth of whatever you can get to a suitcase.
Well, this is a rather long clip, but I think it's well worth listening to.
Because remember, we have our Secretary of State coming out, Lucifer Clinton.
Oh, we've got the Internet in a suitcase!
We're so cool!
We're helping everybody!
Like guys smuggling suitcases with Internet in it and stuff.
Sounds great, right?
Sounds like we're really like, America, F yeah!
Here's Ian explaining how it came to be and what it is.
Sasha, you want to just elaborate a little on how this thing works that helps people get around any government intervention?
Sure.
Let me first start by cautioning you about starting memes.
And what's interesting is the actual, the true history of the Internet in a Suitcase was that when Jim Glantz, who did a really great job on this article, contacted us and said, so what is it that you're doing?
We explained, well, we're doing all this programming.
We're developing this software.
It can run on a whole bunch of different devices and turn them into blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it just ended up not really capturing anyone's attention.
He's like, so what is the thing that comes out of it?
I'm like, well, it's sort of a distributed infrastructure.
It can run on any device.
And he's like, so we have a photographer coming tomorrow.
What is he going to photograph?
And we're like, that's a good question.
And so literally we went out and bought a suitcase and took a bunch of equipment that we had around the office that is sort of the examples of what this technology can run on and put it into a suitcase.
Can you believe this crap?
What?
It's just basically a couple of routers and maybe some code.
Oh, it's even better than that.
I just wanted to stop to pause here for a second just to say, really?
You fleeced the press by throwing some crap into a suitcase you bought that day for the photographer so that here's our internet in the suitcase?
Really?
That's what you did, you idiot?
That's insulting.
This is Clip of the Day.
Really?
Hit the jingle.
I wasn't ready for that.
I have so much more to tell.
You never are.
You don't even know what the Clip of the Day is.
Clip of the Day.
I'm always caught off guard by the clip of the day.
But it gets better.
Well, it's the clip of the day.
It should.
And the rest is history.
So, I view the internet in the suitcase.
The rest is history.
The rest is history.
That's right.
The rest is Lucifer standing there.
We've got the very important internet in the suitcase project, $30 million.
Well, okay, Ian Douchebag Shuler, why don't you explain what's in your internet in the suitcase for real?
It's actually a visual aid gone out of control.
Ha ha ha!
It was a meme!
We're so awesome!
It was like goatsy, only better!
But the idea behind what we're developing, which is actually the important component here, is that you can use the technologies, the hardware that are on the ground today In these locations.
You don't actually need to para-drop in a giant internet in a suitcase.
You can transform people's available cell phones, laptops and computers, wireless routers that you might pick up here in the States.
Now listen very closely, particularly sysadmins, network administrators.
You're going to laugh when you hear what they're actually doing.
Best Buy, or what have you, into your telecommunications infrastructure.
And if you use software like the type that we're creating, you don't need a central cell tower, you don't even need an internet uplink to communicate locally.
And you can imagine, if you can set up a system whereby there is no center, There's no point of surveillance.
There's no point of control.
There's no point to shut down.
There's just a bunch of different equipment that people are turning on, turning off, that's creating this network of connectivity for sharing information, for distributing the phone pictures before your phone actually gets confiscated.
That that becomes a very powerful tool.
Now, if you have an uplink of any sort, a satellite phone, a dial-up modem, etc., this will spread that connectivity throughout that network.
But if you don't have an internet uplink, you still maintain local connectivity.
And so you can think about this as, what's the first thing anyone that has an office with a bunch of computers do?
They network all of those computers together and start sharing files, printers, other services and applications.
What we're doing is saying, how do we take that same powerful tool and put it into the hands of anyone that wants to set up a network?
So the technologies actually, the components of it, exist today.
And what we're really focusing on is how do we make them user-friendly and how do we integrate these best of technologies from projects all around the globe Into a single package that can be transported, not in a gigantic suitcase, but on your cell phone, on a USB drive, on a CD-ROM, on your laptop, or any other storage medium on Earth.
So what this asswipe is saying...
Was Vivek Kundra behind this?
Of course.
They took $30 million and gave it to companies to basically create something that we in 1994 called an intranet.
Essentially, they just configured Ubuntu on a stick.
And that's your internet in a suitcase?
Really?
This is so unbelievable!
It's just Ubuntu on a stick.
That's what it sounds like.
Or Ubuntu Live, probably.
Or something.
One of the things, Ubuntu Live.
Yeah, Ubuntu Live.
Which people don't know is the one that's just self-booting without destroying the OS you have.
Right, it boots from a thumb drive.
From the stick.
Yeah, and then it turns your Wi-Fi into an access point.
You've got a router.
Big effing deal.
$30 million, really?
And then to lie about it and make it sound all spiffy as internet in a suitcase?
I swear to God, I was under the impression it was the entire internet downloaded into X number of terabytes.
Because it's doable.
I mean, Google has a copy of the internet.
Of course, they have a million servers.
They have more than one copy, obviously.
But still, it's so insulting.
And then to laugh about...
What burnheads those media folk are?
They're such idiots.
Idiot!
Wow.
You douchebags.
That is the clip of the day.
Yeah?
Well, you think that's good?
You're not going to top that.
Oh, yeah.
I'm going to top it.
I'm going to top it with the Reverend Manning.
Oh, okay.
Well, we all...
Yeah, I was thinking of pulling this clip too, but I figured if it's Reverend Manning, you're going to pull it.
Mr.
Ron Paul, you got to talk about that!
You got to talk about it.
And the media can't slam you any harder than they're slamming you now.
You're not only beating the protection program, Willard Romney, and John Huntsman, and Duke Gingrich, Rick Santorum, but you're beating the dung-head media!
You're whooping all of their behinds, Ron Paul!
Go ahead now and get out there and whoop, bo-hop, whoop!
Obama's behind whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping with the Constitution.
He is wholly and totally ineligible.
He is a criminal!
Whoop him, Ron!
Whoop him, whoop him, and whoop him, and whoop him!
But I guarantee...
You'll be the next president of America, hands down!
Come on, say it.
You're whooping the Tea Party.
You're whooping the evangelicals.
You're whooping the media.
You got a strong crowd of supporters.
Hey, Ron Paul supporters, I want to take my hat off to you.
This guy is genius.
He's amazing.
And I was thinking...
Did you get the clip about Romney and Huntsman being black?
No, I don't have that one.
Oh, no.
Oh, I missed that one.
No.
Yeah, and we'll get the clip for the next show, or you can maybe find it.
Oh, no.
We'll get for the next show.
He comes out with this theory.
That they're black?
That Romney, Willard...
No, it's not.
Romney's black.
No, it's not Santorum.
It's Gingrich.
And he bases it on the theory that Gingrich's real name is Newton Leroy.
He says that nobody but black people will name their kids Leroy.
And his daddy never appeared.
He's an orphan kid.
They don't know who his father really is.
Oh, okay.
He's a son of a slave.
And he goes into the fact that he's obviously black.
No, instead of looking for that clip, I spent my time doing this.
I say whip it.
Whip it good.
I say whip it.
Whip it good.
That's right, Reverend L.
Come on, come on, Reverend Manning.
Talk about him.
Whoop Obama's behind.
Whoop him, whoop him, whoop him.
Whoop him, whoop him, whoop him.
Whoop him with the Constitution.
He is wholly and totally ineligible.
He's a criminal.
Whoop him, Ron.
Whoop him, whoop him, whoop him, whoop him.
I'm thinking GX2 can make a mix out of that somehow.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, I think GX2 can.
We're programming it.
Whoop it!
whooping whooping whooping whooping whooping whooping whooping with the constitution he is holy and totally ineligible he is a criminal whooping wrong whooping whooping whooping whooping I love that guy.
Oh, fantastic.
That made my day.
Yeah.
Well, wait till you get to the black thing.
Hey, whatever makes it happen.
He only refers to Romney as Willard Romney, which is his first name.
Oh.
Oh.
That just made my day.
No, the guy's the best.
I wish he would do more material.
They should put him on The Tonight Show with that.
I think he made the suggestion that he should have one of these talk shows, not that idiot mush mouth Sharpton.
Yeah, really.
No, I mean, it's fine.
He could never be on MSNBC or anything like that.
You don't think?
No.
Pack him in!
He's fine where he is.
I was thinking, by the way, opening up the door to the Curry-Devorak Consulting Company for a little short observation.
I'm sorry.
The meeting will come to order.
So, they were having these issues with Keith Olbermann already on Current.
So, you know, he quit.
He didn't quit.
Because he's a dick.
They gave him a piece of the company, but he doesn't seem to want to be a manager.
He's a dick.
He's a total dick.
And he's got a Twitter feed.
He just is mean to everybody.
He's a mean person.
And I was thinking what...
You know, they brought in a bunch of people because they want to compete with MSNBC. Yeah.
Wow.
That's setting the bar high.
Which is the dumbest thing in the world.
And Al Gore, if he wasn't such a dumb guy, he would want to compete with Fox.
Because if you can split the Fox audience, you bring up the liberal voices louder instead of splitting an already dying audience and killing two networks.
And you can make a lot more money with those Fox advertisers.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
It's like, let's set the bar really low.
Let's compete with MSNBC. Let's go after the low-hanging fruit.
What boneheads?
No, the fruit that hit the ground.
Yeah, really.
The rotting fruit on the ground.
That's so stupid.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, duh.
It's because no one ever hires us to do this stuff.
Well, we'll get a job eventually.
Eventually we'll have to get a job, John.
You have to work for a living.
You do realize that, don't you?
And really, it irks me when I see how we're just getting by.
And that James Cameron, man, that guy is great.
That guy is so awesome.
To promote Titanic 3D, he sinks in a whole cruise ship.
It's coming out in April.
Titanic 3D. Oh, I like the connection.
Haven't you already heard them say on television, so close to the 100th anniversary of Titanic?
They keep saying that.
You didn't hear that?
No, I have been avoiding all the Titanic 3D promotions and I didn't even consider.
You can't.
I'll give you 10 points for considering the sinking of this idiotic cruise ship and killing 100 people and then arresting the...
He doesn't.
Yeah, he doesn't give a crap.
They arrested the captain and then we haven't heard anything from him.
They arrested him to keep him from talking.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
I think, well, there's a theory out there as to what happened.
Well, let's just listen to the news report about it.
Well, tonight the rescue efforts, or the recovery efforts, we should call them, have been stopped for the night.
There were divers out all day long looking under the area of the ship that is still under the water level.
The captain has been arrested.
He's being investigated, as you said, for manslaughter and abandoning ship, which is a huge, very, very serious maritime offense.
He was off the ship before the safety of his passengers had been provided for, and that is the grounds on which the authorities here in Italy were able to arrest him or have him stopped and officially investigated is how it works within the judicial system here.
Tomorrow morning, the divers will go back down under the water level to start looking at the rest of the areas of the ship they weren't able to take a look at today.
All of the passengers that are surviving have been moved off to the Italian mainland into There are a lot of people in Rome, a lot of in Civitavecchia, and some in Savona, which was another port of call for this particular cruise ship.
Those people will have to, they don't have the passports, a lot of them don't have the documents, they'll have to be provided for.
They'll need clothing.
They'll need some shelter.
They obviously need to get their legal documents they had to leave on the ship in order.
Blah, blah, blah.
So you're right.
They took the captain off to shut him up so no one could talk to him because this was not a ship run aground.
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
This was either a collision with a submarine, which I think is possible.
I'm not an air guy.
I'm not a sea guy.
But you see the ship is listing to the port side, but the damage is on the starboard side.
If you get a gash, or maybe there's more damage we don't see on the other side, but if that gash is what made the ships leak and start to sink, then wouldn't it list to the other side?
I don't know.
I'm not a marine engineer to know how these things sink.
They get water inside and down they go.
But there was, and this is one of these crazy Russian reports, but it came out immediately that...
There was a signature detected of a torpedo fired from a kilo-class submarine near Isola del Giglio, and that there were only two submarines in the area possessing kilo-class torpedoes, both belonging to the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy.
That could be also a...
It wouldn't surprise me, man.
It would not surprise me if we're already at war.
We just don't really know it.
Well, we're definitely an economic war.
For sure.
Well, we're also, you know, we're blowing up scientists and stuff.
And, you know, there's a lot of back and forth here.
And we're also trying...
I still think my theory about goading them is still in play.
I have a clip from...
From the News Hour, from the National Treasure, on Iran, that I just thought was kind of interesting and worth deconstructing.
I think it falls into this conversation.
Which one is it?
Observations on the Iranian assassination.
Ooh, okay.
The two previous meetings between the Europeans, Americans, and others in Iran have really not been productive since then.
So what is the thinking now then about the impact of this covert campaign on impact one way or another on the status of the sanctions or the effort of the sanctions?
Well, it's a bad timing, if nothing else.
I mean, I personally am very much against these kinds of targeted assassinations of nuclear officials.
But you have to wonder why now.
And you're trying to get Iran to the table.
Pressure is always a precarious thing to apply.
It can backfire.
The sense, in the United States at least, was that it is going to get Iran to the table.
But you don't want to drive Iran into a corner where they may decide to do the very thing you're trying to prevent, namely build nuclear weapons.
Yeah, particularly CNN, I have to say, is doing so much to help this, to ratchet this up.
In particular, Barbara Starr.
You seen her?
No.
She's the Pentagon reporter.
She's on the Pentagon beat.
And she always shows up and she has her own little Pentagon studio over there.
She looks like Lurch, only a female version of Lurch.
You've seen her with the big, thick horn-rimmed glasses.
And when you listen, without the video, because that's very distracting in her case, when you listen to...
The rhetoric that she is spewing, she is literally being instructed to ratchet this up and make people very, very afraid.
Let's get straight to our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr.
She's got the details.
What do we know, Barbara?
Wolf at a time of heightened tensions, the Pentagon still wants to say...
This is relatively routine, but listen to what happened last Friday in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf to both a U.S. Navy warship and a U.S. Coast Guard cutter.
The Navy warship first up, the USS New Orleans, was going into the Persian Gulf.
It was going through the Strait of Hormuz when three Iranian speedboats approached it at high speed and came within 500 yards at high speed within the range of this Navy warship.
The Navy warship signaled the Iranians to back off.
They ignored all signals.
That is in opposition to standard maritime procedures.
Eventually we're told they did break away.
Another incident the same day.
A U.S. Coast Guard cutter called...
Hey, by the way, what is a Coast Guard cutter doing in the Straits of Hormuz?
And that's the Department of Homeland Security.
That's not in the Defense Department anymore.
The Coast Guard is no longer within the purview of the Defense Department.
So Homeland Security took them over, as you recall.
So what are they doing there?
Well, I consulted the Book of Knowledge.
The Coast Guard operates on the Department of Homeland Security during peacetime and can be transferred to the Department of the Navy by the President at any time or by Congress during time of war.
Funny, I don't think I've seen that transfer take place.
Unless it was in the National Defense Authorization Act and we missed it, which is possible.
Which is possible.
The thing is a huge document.
So here's Barbara to finish it up.
ADAC was up in the Persian Gulf.
It was just about 75 miles east of Kuwait when it was harassed by high-speed Iranian boats, small boats that came at it.
Also at high speed.
The personnel on board the Coast Guard cutter said that they observed Iranians with AK-47s and they believe one of the machine guns.
That's going to scare me when I'm on a Coast Guard cutter.
I thought they were 500 yards away.
They've got an AK-47 on a rubber boat.
Have you ever been on a football field?
Yeah.
That's 300 yards.
Can you see what's at the other end of the field?
What if someone's holding the gun or not?
I can't.
The bullet from the AK-47 would arch down into the water from that distance.
It's crazy.
It's like we've got a couple of rubber boats with AK-47s and she's making it sound like we're at war.
At the front of one of those Iranian speedboats was pointed right at them.
Eventually, a larger Iranian naval vessel intervened and those small speedboats backed off.
Routine or not, these types of encounters are extremely concerning to the U.S. Navy.
You know, the question really is, well, how close do you let an Iranian speedboat get to you before you have to do something about it?
I mean, really?
Did the Pentagon, like, put a wire in her brain and tell her what to say?
This is disgusting.
And then you've got...
Did she, but by the way, get to the part, get to the part, because this is interesting, but get to the part where she asks about why a Coast Guard cutter is there in the first place.
Just cut right to that.
What do you mean?
It's not in there, obviously.
What?
She doesn't ask that question.
Wait a minute.
You told me that the most obvious question would you ask right at the beginning?
That's not a great question.
Huh.
I would think that she would ask that question so that it could be explained by these experts on CNN. Well, have we actually looked up?
And let's see.
Let's see.
President transfers...
Coast Guard to Navy.
Let's see.
Maybe we missed it.
Maybe something happened here.
Maybe it's in the news.
It could be on the front page of some newspaper.
I don't see it.
No.
Upon the declaration of war or when the president directs the Coast Guard can be transferred.
No.
I haven't seen it, so I don't think we've had a declaration of war.
So I think that's in complete violation.
But it doesn't matter because we've got that a-hole Panetta saying this.
Clearly there are those areas that for us are red lines.
Red lines.
Number one, we cannot allow them to develop a nuclear weapon.
That's a red line.
Number two, we cannot tolerate Iran blocking the Straits of Hormuz.
And that's the red line.
Looks like we're trying to block the straits.
They're trying to defend it.
We've got the Coast Guard in there.
We're doing, like, what do you think?
We were showing, oh, I hate us.
I hate us.
So why don't we blow up one of our ships?
Yeah, like a false flag, you mean?
False flag, yeah.
Like?
So let's blow up a ship, you know, remember the main.
Yeah.
And drop the ship, and blow it up at some point, so as it's sinking, it's trying to get away, and it sinks right there in the middle of the straits, and it clogs up the whole place.
Hold on a second, John.
I think we have to go to our Pentagon correspondent for a moment here.
John, we have exclusive footage here of what's going on in the Straits of Hormuz.
Battleship!
Battleship!
B-4!
Hit!
J-1!
Ha!
Miss!
J-10!
Oh!
Battleship!
Battleship!
A game of strategy from Milton Bradley.
You sunk my battleship!
A bunch of a-holes.
That's funny.
Well, that's a good catch.
It's not the clip of the day, but it's damn good.
Yeah, but it's...
There you go.
Don't let you cut...
Maybe you're just kidding me.
Cut right to the part where she asked about the Coast Guard.
Let me just see if I can find it.
Nope, sorry.
Just cut right to it.
I can't find it.
It's not on there.
It's just not on there, John.
I'm sorry.
Anyway, I love it when we talk about possibilities and the chat room goes wild, like, accidents do happen, man!
Yeah.
That's the voice they have, by the way.
That's exactly it.
Not in my world they don't.
If someone's got a question, I didn't say this is what happened, but it is weird that they take the captain immediately and arrest him, and so you'll never hear from him again, ever.
You know that, right?
You're never going to hear from the guy.
He's gone.
As soon as they arrested the guy, he knew that.
Yeah, no, he's going to be sent off to some mountain resort, you know, outside of the Malfi Coast or whatever in Italy, and just told to shut up.
The Italians are good at that.
They know how to shut up.
He's going on a little vacation.
Did you see the president's show this week?
I I don't watch the President's show knowing full well that you will be watching it.
He brought props to show and tell this week.
He had an actual show and tell.
Here's where you respond.
Wow.
Hi there.
As you can see, I brought a few things with me for this week's video.
A padlock, a pair of boots, a candle, and a pair of socks.
You can only imagine.
I thought, a new format for the show.
Wait a minute.
Have they hired some other consulting group besides the Curry-Dvorak Consulting Group?
A candle?
A pair of socks?
What?
A compass and a rubber knife.
He's going to save the economy.
What's the rubber knife for?
He doesn't have a rubber knife.
It's a candle?
Let's listen to it again, what he has.
But he's going to save the economy with these items.
Hi there.
As you can see, I brought a few things with me for this week's video.
Okay.
A padlock.
A padlock.
Write it down, John.
You need these things.
A padlock.
A pair of boots.
A pair of boots.
Got that.
A candle.
A candle.
Got plenty of them.
There's women in the house.
A pair of socks.
And a pair of socks.
I got a whole drawer full of socks.
I'm ready.
We are not having a yard sale.
Oh, okay.
Well, it's not a yard sale.
Oh, damn.
I always buy socks at a yard sale.
I buy my socks at a yard sale.
Hi there.
Hi there.
I didn't use socks.
When he says that hi there, you know what that sounds like?
That sounds like, what was that talking head song?
Hi there.
No, it was Peter Gabriel.
Was it Peter Gabriel?
Yeah, onward.
I'm sorry.
I get distracted.
All right.
These products may not appear to have much in common, but they're united by three proud words.
Made in America.
Ah, okay.
Now it's starting to make sense.
They're manufactured by American workers in American factories and shipped to customers here and around the world.
The companies that make these products are part of a hopeful trend.
They're bringing jobs back from overseas.
Didn't we do a thing about a year ago about how the Gold Toe folks, which are located, which I think is what he's holding here, are located, I guess, in Tennessee.
So they decided to move the factory to Mexico, thanks to NAFTA. Well, it's very interesting you say that, because he's about to use a term, which I had to look up, obviously, to understand what it meant.
Hold on.
...of outsourcing.
Well, this is insourcing.
Insourcing.
Yeah.
No, I've heard that before.
Okay.
Now, but insourcing is actually a technical term.
And if you look it up in the book of knowledge, insourcing may be done by onshoring, which is insourcing delegates certain work to a different company, which may come from a different country.
Okay.
I think that while you think, oh, it's like for American workers, I think he's talking about bringing in more slaves.
Because we know that labor is going to be really cheap here in America.
So insourcing is not necessarily what he says it is, but he's using it in an acute way.
So we'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
And in this make-or-break moment for the middle class and those working to get into the middle class, that's exactly the kind of commitment to country that we need.
This week, I invited executives from businesses that are insourcing jobs to a forum here at the White House.
Did you get your invite, John?
A forum?
Yes, a forum.
Wow, another meeting at the White House to solve the problems.
These guys have more bullcrap meetings with people that have nothing to do with anything than any administration I've ever seen in my entire life.
Oh, it gets so much better than that.
These are CEOs who take pride in hiring people here in America.
By the way, I couldn't find the notes on this meeting anywhere.
Who the hell were invited?
These people who take pride.
I'd love to know.
Not just because it's increasingly the right thing to do for their bottom line, but also because it's the right thing to do for their workers and for our communities and for our country.
I told those CEOs what I'll tell any business leader.
Ask yourself what you can do to bring more jobs back to the country that made your success possible.
And I'll make sure that you've got a government that does everything in its power to help you succeed.
Now pay attention because here comes a tricky one.
That's why in the next few weeks I'll put forward new tax proposals that reward companies that choose to do the right thing by bringing jobs home and investing in America.
And we'll eliminate tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas.
It's also why on Friday I called on Congress to help me make government work better for you.
Right now we have a 21st century economy, but we've still got a government organized for the 20th century.
I think he's saying we're driving a clutch car.
Over the years, the needs of Americans have changed, but our government has not.
In fact, it's gotten even more complexed, and that has to change.
Complexed?
Did he say complexed?
That's what it sounds like.
Back it up.
I think he said complexed.
Over the years, the needs of Americans have changed, but our government has not.
In fact, it's gotten even more complexed, and...
He does.
Complexed.
I'm complexed by that!
That has to change.
That's why I asked Congress to reinstate the authority that past presidents have had to streamline and reform the executive branch.
Ah, now I'm like, wait a minute, he asked for some authority.
More authority.
Yeah, but I'm still looking at the boots and the candle and the compass and the rubber knife, so I'm distracted by that, but it's very important what he says next.
This is the same sort of authority that every business owner has to make sure that his or her company keeps pace with the times.
So he's apparently the owner of the American business.
He's the owner of us.
He owns our ass.
It's the same authority that the president's had for over 50 years.
He's our ruler.
Now listen, listen, listen.
Until Ronald Reagan.
And let me be clear, I will only...
Now, whenever someone says let me be clear, what do we do, John?
We know to perk up because he's going to lie to us.
Reagan.
And let me be clear.
I will only use this authority for reforms that result in more efficiency, better service, and a leaner government.
Okay, so I'm like, wait a minute.
He's asking for some authority, which is consolidation authority.
Actually, it's something called the Consolidation Authority Act, which you cannot find anywhere, but it has been used before.
And he just lied, because we know.
He says, let me be clear.
I'm only going to use this tremendous power you give to me to clean some stuff up.
So I went a-looking, of course, and I did find one guy on C-SPAN who I think is just hired to propagate the law.
Specific authority does the President seek from Congress with regard to consolidating these branches of government?
Well, the White House has proposed that Congress would enact what would be called the Consolidation Authority Act, which would fast-track procedures for the executive branch to Combined agencies,
and this may have been mentioned earlier on the program, but it's centered around the business and trade functions at the Commerce Department, the U.S. Trade Representative's Office, the Export-Import Bank, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the Small Business Administration.
Immediately, with presidential authority, he is elevating the small business administrator to cabinet-level status, which, as the government executive reported, is a largely symbolic act, because when a new agency is created, Congress is required to enact a law.
To give it cabinet status, but various presidents have had cabinet officials invited to attend the cabinet meeting as full equals.
And that will happen in the case of Karen Mills, who's the small business administrator.
But that may change once Congress enacts this law that they're proposing, and the first act that the White House would like would be the consolidation.
So there's some very important things here.
This is essentially, they call it the consolidation authority, but essentially, Congress would be handing the President fast-track authority over anything he does, as far as I understand it, because I'm a washed-up VJ. Hands the President fast-track authority, which limits Congress' ability to hinder the President's agenda.
Because they only can do an up or down vote.
And the president is promising that he will only use this to consolidate some stuff and shuffle some stuff which apparently will shed a thousand governmental jobs.
But this type of authority goes back to the New Deal and it lapsed in 1984 under Reagan.
But I believe that this is very, very dangerous.
Because you even heard this guy say the first thing he will do, I think he misspoke here, is to consolidate this agency.
But what will he do after that with this fast-track authority?
I think the consolidation authority is just a made-up name because you can't actually find the consolidation authority act or anything named that.
But the whole idea of Congress giving up power to the President to fast-track his agenda, I think is extremely dangerous.
Well, he's been doing this sort of thing for a couple of years now, and I don't see why this would make it any more dangerous than he's already...
Well, because Congress will not have the authority...
Congress is rubber-stamped for this guy.
But okay.
Well, maybe it's just a hedge.
Maybe it's just important.
It could be.
It could be.
Just another hammer, another tool in the toolbox.
At the end of the day, John, it doesn't matter because we're going to get a new website.
These changes will make it easier for small business owners to get the loans and support they need to sell their products around the world.
For example, instead of forcing small business owners to navigate the six departments and agencies in the federal government that focus on business and trade, we'll have one department, one place where entrepreneurs can go from the day they come up with an idea and need a pass, to the day they start building a warehouse, to the day they're ready to ship their products overseas. to the day they start building a warehouse, to the
And in the meantime, we're creating a new website, Business USA, that will serve as a one-stop shop with information for businesses, small and large, that want to start selling their stuff around the world.
Before you go on, have you noticing the real meme that underlies all this, even though he's putting these six agencies into one?
Because who knows what they do?
It's all about small businesses sending their products overseas, shipping around the world.
Most small businesses are not export companies.
No.
Unless you're doing boots, candles, socks, or padlocks.
They're dry cleaners.
They're grocery stores.
Thank you.
They're delivery services.
They're flower shops.
Motorcycle repair guys.
They're guys who make blankets.
There's a million.
They're not every small business.
What is it?
He has been doing this since day one.
He is under the impression and promotes the idea that small businesses in the United States are all a bunch of export companies.
They're all Caterpillar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like our show.
We're exporting.
The guy's an idiot.
Thank you.
But this whole thing, the government, it's like you go to the government, you go to the website, they give you money, they help you out, they don't do anything.
No, of course, the website's not even functional.
It's coming soon, it says.
How long does it take to throw up a website?
Go to wordpress.com.
Look at businessusa.gov.
We're talking in cobalt.
Go to businessusa.gov.
It's hilarious.
Yeah, coming soon.
It even has a coming soon banner.
It's a platform that consolidates information and services from across the government to a single integrated network for American business owners and entrepreneurs.
It's an internet in a suitcase, if I ever saw one.
You'll be able to find a wide range of relevant and timely federal government data services and programs whenever, wherever, on your terms.
We kick ass!
Eric DeShill has an interesting interpretation.
What's that?
He says this is the data consolidate, this is that way, because this is the easiest way to set up a federal VAT sales tax via the Streamline Sales Tax Project.
Oh, very good.
Very good, Shill.
Very good.
And it makes nothing but sense.
Yeah.
This is a new way of taxing the public.
To get more money.
And by the way, one of our listeners says that the Coast Guard does guard oil rigs and overseas ports.
Why we don't use contractors is another question, but apparently the Coast Guard is overseas in the ports.
As if it's part of our coast.
I guess.
Oh, this is all bad.
This show is the worst ever.
No wonder people don't want to help us out.
Put Manning back on.
Obama's behind!
Whoop him, whoop him, whoop him!
Whoop him, whoop him, whoop him!
Whoop him with the Constitution!
He is wholly and totally ineligible!
He's a criminal!
Whoop him, Ron!
Whoop him, whoop him, and whoop him, and whoop him!
I'm going to show my soul by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
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You're living in that area.
You tell me how it's pronounced.
Is it Copperas or Copperas?
Copperas!
Right off of Guadalupe.
You sure?
You hang it right on Guadalupe.
A hundred bucks.
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That's my Texas guy.
That's very good.
I like that.
Although I can't afford to love you the way you deserve.
Hey-o!
Please don't leave me for some other schmuck who has millions of dollars.
Thanks for all you do.
On another note, I figured it would be smart to earn my knighthood before you guys get shut down.
Yeah, those rings will be collector's items.
You'll find them in Curiosa shops worldwide.
What was this, I wonder?
I don't know.
Ring size 10.
Also, give karma to the douchebag.
Wait a minute.
No, we can't do that.
I don't think so.
We're not giving karma to douchebags.
I think that if they get a taste of that magical karma, they will not be able to live without it.
We think not.
This is the first time we've refused a request, by the way, from what's going to be a knight.
Well, we'll give him some knight karma.
How does that sound?
Okay, we'll give him.
He can redirect it himself.
You've got karma.
We do not support douchebags.
Derek Kimberly, Northern WA. What is WA? Washington?
No, it can't be.
There's got to be something else.
Washington is just WA, not WA. Western Australia?
Maybe.
Hello, today's my birthday.
We don't have him on the list.
Put him down.
Really?
Yeah, we had Buskill Jr.
drop the ball.
Today's my birthday.
I'm now 42 years of debt.
Hey, please.
That's a good one.
How old are you?
I'm 42 years debt.
May I please have lots of fairy twinkle happy cake karma, gluten-free.
Please call it Frank Andrichitsch as a douchebag.
Well, of course.
Douchebag!
And I will give him a karma.
Okay, there you go.
You've got karma.
And on the list you go, Derek.
Eric Green, London.
Andrew Green.
Did I say Eric?
Yes, you did.
You meant well.
You meant well.
I know.
Eric Green.
I said it again.
Andrew Green in London.
$60.
I have not donated in over a year.
So, okay.
So topping up with some little karma.
I guess he needs a karma.
You've got karma.
A new donor, Michael Anderson in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Double nickels on the dime.
In the morning, please de-douche me.
I'm a long-time listener and finally got off my butt to donate.
Please give my wife, Kathy, karma, give them a double.
We've spent $1,000 in a long process for her to be a 9-11 operator and need the karma because the process is stalled.
Wow.
Thanks for the best podcasts in the universe.
Wait, do you have to spend $1,000 to become a 9-11 operator?
It's ridiculous.
Wow, well, okay.
First of all, de-douching.
Absolutely.
You've been de-douched.
You've got karma.
Hey, that'll install the process.
That'll blow the cog out of the system.
The nut in the works.
Richard Garrett, Thunder Bay, Ontario.
Thunder Bay!
Double niggles on the dime.
Hey John and Adam.
Thunder Bay is a weird place.
Hey John and Adam.
Greetings from Gitmo Nation North.
I've been listening to the show since September, since I had to return to a crappy mailroom government job and started university studies as a political science student.
You guys have helped me make my time served as a wage slave less painful and given me the sense to see through all the bull crap during some of my lectures.
Please send me a shot at karma for a job interview I've got coming up on Wednesday and a D and a douchebag to all my buddies who prefer to be brainwashed by the mainstream media and won't listen to the show.
Give them a douchebag call first.
Douchebags!
And now karma for old Richard.
All right, man.
Good luck there with...
You've got karma.
I think there's a lot of people that simply will not listen to anything that disagrees with their worldview.
I think it's stressing.
I think it stresses out a lot of people.
It does.
Are you kidding me?
It stresses people out big time.
Big time.
Robert Johnson double nickels on the dime from Lamont Furnace.
What a great name for a town.
Lamont Furnace, Pennsylvania.
Been a $5 a month program for a few months now.
We encourage people, by the way, to subscribe to one of the $5 a month or $11.11 a month.
And we're going to institute in the next week $12.12 a month to commemorate the upcoming 12-12 celebration.
I've been on a $5 a month program for a few months now, but I feel a bigger contribution was needed.
I've been listening to the show since August of 2011, thanks to my boss.
Listen to the show, kid.
Oh, you're fired.
Listen to No Agenda has made me realize how horrible the mainstream media really is.
I recently moved to Phoenix, and during the drive out, I was able to propagate the formula to a friend who is now an avid listener as well.
My birthday also happens to be on a Sunday when the show is on, so I figured this would be a perfect time to make a bigger donation.
My goal is to become a knight and tell everyone about No Agenda wherever I go.
Thanks again for the informative show and providing the real truth as to what is going on.
I'd like to give a karma shout-out to my boss, Herb, for introducing me to the show and my friend Pat, who is now an avid listener.
I must request a douchebag shout-out from my friend Sean, who won't listen to the show because he can't believe you guys really have No Agenda.
Douchebag!
Keep up the great work.
Don't forget, finish the note there.
Adam, oh, jeez.
Thanks, Bob Jones.
P.S., he adds, Adam, Adam, I believe there are Stargates out there as well.
Exactly.
All right, here's the karma you requested for your boss, Herb, and we're happy about that.
You've got karma.
Thank you, Herb.
You should have all your employees listening.
Good job.
Stargates.
Sir Jeffrey Gerlach, Simple Alamo, California, our great night, 5150, needs job karma.
Right on.
You've got karma.
I hate it when we see our nights.
I mean, actually, I love it, of course, but our nights, you know, they support us through all the lean time.
You think it's just the holiday time.
I don't know, man.
I think the recession...
No, the nights are our friends.
Yeah, they save us.
Kevin McCarthy, Jackson, New Jersey, 51.33 in the morning.
John Dan, been a drone-worthy douchebag for well over a year and now listening and enjoying the No Agenda show without ever donating to the good cause.
Why?
That's a great question!
Why?
Because.
It's a great question.
Because I have been broke working what would be an otherwise high-paying web and IT director job for a small company and making the smallest pay possible for what I do.
Try $16 an hour legitimate slave pay.
And while I don't have a degree, but I do have the debt of pursuing one, I'm 27 and nearly 10 years of experience.
I've been breaking my back with this organization for over two years and receiving a $4 increase in pay.
Woo!
Hookers!
So with that, I ask for karma.
Let me hand it to him right now.
He's working it out.
You've got karma.
Wants to become an instant knight if he gets a six-figure job that he's working on.
He also would extra shot of karma for his girlfriend.
If she's flying back, we get the one.
You get the one.
Flying back from Hawaii on Wednesday night, so she'll probably get the karma.
Yeah, she will.
Don't worry about it.
William Smock comes in a big batch.
It's a big package.
It's in a suitcase.
It's karma in a suitcase.
And you're going to have fun when you see her after a long trip.
Yeah.
William Smock.
Smock, Smock.
San Diego, California, 50-50.
Since I agree with you about half the time, get it?
50-50?
I'll take it.
Chris Slowinski.
Sir Chris Slowinski to you.
Sherwood Park, Alberta, $50.
Jason Burke, Richmond, Texas, $50.
Lori Swim comes in at the last minute, Lori.
Marysville, Kansas needs another dash of karma for her husband's second interview this Wednesday.
Tell Adam to keep...
Actually, she has another note.
She sent a second note in.
Oh, really?
Now that I think about it...
My inbox.
What does she say here?
She adds something to the note.
She says, here's my message from the earlier.
If there's a chance, please change this too.
Need another dash of karma for my husband's second interview.
A bit of karma seems to have helped with the first interview earlier this month.
We are feeling positive vibes this time.
Also, karma to all No Agenda listeners with interviews this week.
Karma for everyone looking for work and wish they had an interview this week.
Just trying to spread the love.
Tell Adam to keep listening to Mickey.
She is right about the thank you for the love.
Perfect from just getting by in Kansas, Lori.
Oh, that's so beautiful.
Okay, here it is.
Second interview karma.
You've got karma.
Thank you for the love.
Michael Musial in Cleveland, Wisconsin, huh?
John and Adam, this is a birthday call out for myself.
52, my wonderful wife Chris on Wednesday the 18th, much younger.
Do you have both of them listed?
I have Michael and who else is on the list?
Chris.
Chris Musial.
No.
Well, let's put it on.
Way to go, Buzzkill Jr.
Oh, he's going to be...
Yeah, he gives a crap.
Yeah, I know.
He's sleeping as we speak.
Have been listening since show one on the $5 a month plan.
I wish I could do more, but just getting by since 2006.
Thanks for keeping us sane in this crazy world.
Michael and Chris in Copper Harbor, Michigan is where they're really from.
And finally, Wanjakra in Zevenar.
Smells like a science fiction name and town.
Zevenar.
That's in Gitmo Nation Lowlands.
Zevenar.
I want to thank everybody who helped us out on this show.
Thanks for the love, everybody.
We love you, too.
3-7-4.
Go to Dvorak.org slash Noagenda.
N-A. Sorry.
Dvorak.org slash N-A. ChannelDvorak.com slash N-A. NoagendaShow.com and NoagendaNation.com and hit the donate button there and you can help us out.
Dvorak.org slash N-A. Hey, now we got a good date coming up this year.
10-11-12.
Ooh.
It's a good one, right?
Yeah, it's a winner.
I think that's when I'll see if Miss Mickey wants to marry me.
10, 11, 12.
And she'll say 13.
If she says yes, that'll be a miracle right there.
I don't know.
I haven't gotten my second...
So you're giving a hint, Alex.
She's probably listening to the show.
No, I haven't gotten my second cup of coffee, so I don't know.
I think I'm off...
Maybe this is going to queer the deal.
I think I'm off the list.
Hey, Adam and John, I'm a high school math teacher.
This is from Kelly Spears.
I bet she's hot.
I'm a high school math teacher.
You know, she's with the black horn rim glasses and she takes it off and lets her hair fall down and shakes it on her shoulders.
I'm a high school math teacher, and this past Friday, our district brought in a guy to talk to us about some new trend in education.
And the last thing he talked about was a marriage counselor named Dr.
Gary Chapman, who has a theory about how everyone has a love language, a primary way of expressing and interpreting love.
According to Dr.
Chapman, there are five love languages.
One, words of affirmation.
Two, quality time.
Three, gifts.
And four, acts of service.
And five, physical touch.
As you can see, number three is gifts.
Therefore, donating is loving.
So there's our theory once again.
Unfortunately, in practice, it don't work that well.
Well, not today.
Now, we have these make goods.
I think we do.
Buzzkill Jr.
sent me all this stuff.
I guess we've messed up some stuff here.
Well, there's one guy who keeps not showing up on the download, and I think it's...
Because of weird characters?
The download, not the download.
Some characters in the PayPal thing?
I'm not sure what it is, but this has happened a couple of times.
It doesn't happen much, but we eventually catch up to it, but we will...
I hate to miss birthdays.
It's my only...
Hey, the coffee just arrived.
I don't know.
Maybe...
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Hey, Mickey, have you heard?
Have you heard, Mickey?
No, I didn't hear anything.
You didn't hear nothing?
I was...
Mom's the word.
What'd you say, honey?
Rose called me about something.
That's why I got distracted.
Are you a distracted slave?
Yes.
Okay, good.
Love you.
Love you.
Hey, honey.
Donating is love.
Yeah.
Drew Larson says, In the morning, John and Adam, longtime boner, first-time donor, recently graduated college, currently looking for a job.
I would love some karma to aid in the search.
I started college in 2006, hoping to come out on the other side of the recession.
I would go back to school if it wasn't for my mounting college debt.
Thank you for keeping me sane through college and into my new life as a productive slave of society.
So I guess this is one that we missed, so we're going to give him some karma right there.
You've got karma.
Barry writes, apologies for not donating drunk.
I'm still at work.
I've been on a monthly subscription for over two years now, but recent events forced me to up the ante supporting the best podcast in the multiverse.
Just like Adam, my wife and I are moving down south in the very near future.
She's awaiting news of a transfer.
She asked her company to pull off.
Me?
Well, I had an interview for a dream job with a tech company last week.
We already did this one, Buzzkill Jr.
Yeah, we did this one.
Yeah.
Douche.
Well, no, it was the guy who said we didn't, but now that you're reading the multiverse thing, I read it.
Remember he says, since we're at CES next week, don't call us?
I don't remember that.
I do.
I remember that.
I remember that because it was don't call us.
Anyway, thanks.
Thank you anyway.
He gave us...
He donated last week and we did thank him for that.
And Kevin writes, the reason I'm writing again is I hope there's still a chance you can send some karma to a family friend that is recovering from brain surgery.
He still has major headaches and vision issues and we hope things get better soon.
Well, of course.
We'd like to give him some podcast.
You've got karma.
And then a quick night karma.
Sir Troy, John and Adam, only hours left until they announce the shot list, which I think means short list, for Tropfest, the film festival that we entered Gitmo Nation down under into.
This is the movie that I did the voice for.
We are yet to hear whether they have accepted us.
If you could please give us Dame Jess and Sir Troy a karma shot, it would go a long way towards putting our minds at ease.
Well, this will be the true test, won't it?
You've got karma.
Thank you very much, says Sir Troy.
So, donating is indeed love, and we appreciate it.
We need a little bit more, though.
We need more love.
In fact, about twice as much just to be able to get by, if you don't mind.
So, appreciate it, though.
It's your birthday, birthday.
I'm no one champion.
All right, Derek Kimberley celebrates his birthday, turns 42 today, birthday.
Bradley Seltzer congratulates his daughter Jessica, who is 13.
And I have Bradley Seltzer congratulating his daughter Ashley, who is 15.
That's a coincidence there.
Robert Johnson congratulates himself.
He celebrates today on Sunday.
And Michael Musial says happy birthday to himself.
52 tomorrow on the 16th.
And also to his wife, Chris Musial.
Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the No Agenda Show.
Best podcast in the universe.
Let me just hit the program again.
Maybe that'll help.
Maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
Anyway, we do have some people who have topped off the knighthoods, so we need to grab our blades here for a second.
I've got to top off my blade.
Nice.
Martin Anderson and James Pierce, please step forward and kneel before the altar of the Knights of the No Agenda Roundtable.
Both of you have succeeded in topping up your love for the show in the amount of $1,000 or more.
And that qualifies you to be knighted.
So I hereby proudly pronounce thee.
Oh, gosh.
Really?
Come back.
Kneel again!
Stick out your ring finger.
I forgot that part.
Because you also get that nifty No Agenda Knight ring, which, of course, will be eventually found by historians, and they'll wonder what the hell it was all about, and who knows.
Ah, so here we go.
I've got the sword.
I hereby knight thee Sir Martin Anderson and Sir James Pierce, both knights of the No Agenda Roundtable.
table.
Thank you so much for the love.
Your donations.
Hookers and blow.
Red Boy Chardonnay.
And of course, hot pants and booze if you're down south right here for you.
Whoopie doo.
So I'm watching the our national treasure.
They have a show called Electric Company.
I've complained about this show before.
Wasn't that a kids show?
It's a kids show.
It's an educational, educational kids show.
And more proof that the educational TV does not work.
It shouldn't even be on the air.
There's nothing educational about what we're about to listen to.
And in fact, it may be counterproductive and make people idiots.
But this is what you hear when you listen to the National Treasurer's educational show.
Oh, man, I'm so sorry.
Oh.
I can't find it.
Do you sleep at the wheel?
I can't.
What?
Oh, hold on.
Here's what you hear.
Let me start off.
Here's what you hear when you listen to the National Treasures.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Educational show.
Go brush the dolphin and wash my elephant.
Woohoo!
Yeah!
You have succeeded, so we won't be needing you.
I just love what I do.
F is by far the laziest letter in the alphabet.
In fact, it's so lazy, it doesn't even show up in the word alphabet.
Alphabet!
But no F! Here's what I think happened.
F called up P-H. P-H! P-H! I'm tired.
Could you make the fff sound for me in some words?
Well, P-H said, uh, okay!
Yeah!
Yeah, sure!
I'd love to help out!
So next thing you know, P-H started popping up in words like alphabet and trophy.
While F was off fishing and eating fudge.
Lazy.
Ah, that's just awesome.
Do we pay for that?
It's unbelievable.
This whole show is like this.
You know, it sounds a lot like this other show I've been watching.
Hey, we got the translation of that, by the way.
Yeah, we got it.
You know, and he did say that.
Yeah, but it's a real slam when you know the translation.
Yeah, it means you don't get it.
You're an idiot.
Yeah, he doesn't quite understand the situation.
In other words, you're a dick.
Hey, Romney.
Thank you very much for all of these.
It's an insult.
And you have to remember, that is the Asian form of it.
They don't come out and say, you're a guy's a douchebag.
They have to kind of beat around the bush.
So this is pretty nasty for Chinese because of the same face thing.
I wonder if there are a lot of Chinese Americans going, well, that's it.
I'm not voting for that guy.
He doesn't understand the situation.
I don't know.
It's possible.
I like the fact that we had...
I think most of the email I got, some of it different than yours, the only interesting observation was the guy's got a pretty good accent.
Yeah.
Well, it's nice that so many of our listeners were able to translate it immediately.
They were like, oh, here you go.
We know what that means.
My wife speaks Mandarin.
We've got a lot of Chiners checking in like that.
I don't want to belabor the point, but I'm going to ask for a request.
Okay.
Come on, one more Manning.
Let's play it one more time.
Whoop Obama's behind!
Whoop him, whoop him, whoop him!
Whoop him, whoop him!
Whoop him with the Constitution!
He is wholly and totally ineligible!
He's a criminal!
Whoop him, Ron!
Whoop him!
Whoop him and whoop him and whoop him!
I got a report regarding that.
Dennis Hoff owns the Bunny Ranch, and if the presidential election were held today, there's no question who would win here.
The prostitutes at this legal brothel have a pimping for Paul campaign, because Paul supports their right to make their living this way.
Yes, you have a right to do things that are very controversial.
The working girls want to keep the federal government out of their business, so they're asking customers to donate to Paul's campaign on their way out the door.
In two days, they raised $587, and they're pimping for more.
I love it.
Now, of course, I edited this report because they made it sound like, you know, this is on CNN. It was the health editor.
Ugh.
Yeah.
Because, of course, they made it sound like, you know, oh, this is so crazy.
Now the hookers want him.
But, of course, to me, it's like, great.
I love that.
I wish we had tons of prostitutes donated to our cause.
I don't even know we have any prostitutes that listen to us.
Well, would it be funny if we got a donation?
Hey, I'm a working girl.
Here's $50.
We have code.
It's a $69 donation.
We'll know what you mean.
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more.
Yeah, we have had a couple of those, but they're always coming in from guys.
Well, hey, there's rent boys out there.
I'm pretty sure...
I think we might have a couple of rent boys listening to us.
So, I wouldn't be surprised.
I'd be proud, actually.
Yeah, I'm sure you would.
I would be proud.
Hey, very...
I'm sorry.
I got a couple of just off-the-wall clips.
Just to show you what...
You know, Santorum...
I don't want to really do much with Santorum, but listen to Santorum.
He's where...
Do you know that, I saw him this morning, he's now wearing a vest with his name on it.
Yeah, no, his vest, he's selling those vests.
He sold almost a thousand of these vests.
And you can buy them on the website and it's got his name on them.
Santorum vest.
Yeah, Santorum sweater vest.
You know, people will be going to Curiosa shops 50 years from now.
What's this?
Screw the ring.
Look at that vest.
That's beautiful.
What is the Santorum?
Was it a club?
Was it a private club?
Let me look that up.
Or is it where they put the insane people in the insane Santorum?
So...
He's got this kick about natural gas.
Now, you know for a fact that you can get your car converted into natural gas, and a lot of people do it because you get all kinds of extra privileges on, like, carpool lane stuff.
And it costs you, I've seen it done as low as $1,000, and you end up having to, for the conversion, and most of the conversions can go back and forth between gasoline and natural gas.
And you have to put a tank in your trunk.
It's an oxygen tank-sized thing in your trunk.
That's it.
But listen to this idiot.
We need to look at natural gas as not really an alternative to automotive fuels, but it is an alternative to 18-wheelers and garbage trucks and buses and other fleet vehicles as a way of burning clean energy, affordable energy, energy that we produce in this country.
We are 100% self-sufficient on natural gas in this country.
And it's a fuel that we should be using more of.
It is cheap, and it can be used in transportation.
Again, not automobiles, because it's about $15,000 a car, and you have to have tanks all over the place.
But it can be used on larger vehicles, and we need to be moving to that direction.
Why?
Because natural gas vehicles burn clean, and the maintenance on those vehicles is a lot less than when you're burning oil.
Okay, so he's an uneducated douche.
I mean, it sounds like you've got a tank on your roof and a tank in the passenger seat.
The way he was describing it, waving his arms around, it was indicating a tank on your roof.
So are we talking about liquid petroleum gas, LPG here, or are you talking about propane?
No, LPG. LPG, right.
Yeah, no.
In fact, in Gitmo Nation Lowlands, when I was growing up there in the 70s and 80s, it was very normal.
Lots of people had LPG tanks.
Yeah.
It smells great, by the way.
It does.
It smells sweet and stuff.
And people would always laugh.
It's like, haha, I got my LPG tank because at the time it was like 30% of the cost of a liter of petrol.
It's still cheaper.
I'm sure it is.
I'm sure it is.
But, oh no, you gotta have huge tanks everywhere.
It's not good.
It's only good for 18-wheelers and garbage trucks.
You idiot.
That makes no sense.
Why would it be good for an 18-wheeler?
Because they got plenty of room.
For those tanks.
For those tanks.
He doesn't need a cab to sleep in.
He can sleep on the tanks.
So I just wonder if these guys just kind of make this stuff up as they go along.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, totally.
So while you were reading the thing, I was listening to C-SPAN. If people out there want to know what kind of sacrifices we eventually make, I ended up listening to the, and I don't know if you've seen these, but they have every so often on C-SPAN, they have Supreme Court hearings.
Yeah, I've seen them from time to time.
Well, you don't really see anything because all they have is the sound and then the picture of the judge.
It's very boring.
It's very boring.
You sit there and go like, man, have I been sitting here for like five minutes and the picture didn't move?
The picture didn't move.
I really got to like do something about my life.
So there's a couple, I didn't realize, these guys, here's an example, they're having a hearing on the FCC and its arbitrary rules about what constitutes obscenity on television, and the broadcasters are up in arms about this because it's arbitrary.
It is.
And they went on with, well, this show is on, and you can say Spielberg, whatever he does is gold.
You can do that, but you can't show somebody's butt.
Yeah, it's like in, what was it?
What was the instance?
Was it Band of Brothers, or was it...
Anyway, if it's...
Oh, no, it was...
Right, there was a bunch of these.
Also, his Schindler's List.
If it's in the context of war and horrible atrocities, then it's okay to use the F word.
Yeah, that or show a nuded person.
Yeah.
So they're going on, and I've got two clips.
Did you say a nuded person?
Nuded.
I think you said nuded.
I think it's a good word.
I'm sticking with it.
The guy's been neutered.
I'm coming at you neutered and all.
I don't know if these things are boring or whatever, but first of all, there's some discussion going on, and Ginsburg, who is this old lady on the Supreme Court, she...
Comes in and she says some comment.
Well, maybe they should keep people from coming on and interviewing.
You know, she says, you know, when you bring on these artists, they can cuss on the air.
And she just had some stupid thing to say.
And then the guy follows up.
He pays no attention.
She keeps talking.
And then Scalia comes in with a snide remark saying, well, maybe they shouldn't have those sorts of people on the TV show.
And then the guy, the attorney for ABC, I believe, I don't know what he doesn't say.
He doesn't even acknowledge that Scalia says anything and he keeps talking as though this is insanity.
But I was listening to this.
I'm going, what is wrong with these people?
This is not something that covers a vast array of speech on broadcast.
It's a tiny fraction.
And I do think, if you're talking about Pacifica as the Outer Bound, the consequences of the shock jocks are fine.
The Super Bowl halftime episode with Janet Jackson is fine.
You can have as many of these seven-second episodes of NYPD Blue as you want.
That's all fine.
In fact, anything that isn't at that point...
And on the other side, you better be careful about calling certain people, certain artists to be interviewed, because...
Even though it's unscripted, there's always a risk they're going to say something they shouldn't say.
A couple answers there.
One is the delay in bleeping technology, Justice Ginsburg.
And the other one is that there is a Cienta requirement under the Commission's enforcement authority here.
And so in that situation, it seems highly unlikely that you'd have the requisite Cienta that could lead to a forfeiture.
Maybe the third is you should interview these people.
Wow.
Let me spend, if I could, a minute on the NYPD Blue Broadcast.
Wow.
Yeah, that's our Supreme Court right there.
Yeah, don't interview people who might say something naughty, like F-word.
Well, by the way, vagina's okay.
Yeah, they gave it to go.
So I was thinking, well, these guys, this is like idiotic.
But now it got to the point where, do these Supreme Court justices, and in this case, one of Clinton's appointees, Ginsburg is the other one.
This guy, Breyer, Breyer.
B-R-E-Y-E-R. This guy who's got the most pretentious way of talking.
This guy, I'm going to tell you, it's kind of set this up.
This is a Central Time Zone clip.
This guy doesn't seem to realize, and he kind of stumbles around because he realizes he doesn't realize.
He doesn't know that the Central Time, you know, on television they have West Coast Time, Central Time, and Central Time is essentially just the same as the New York feed, so it's broadcast an hour earlier.
Yeah, I get to go.
So it's 9 Central, 10 E. Yeah, I get to let him in at 10.30 here.
Everybody in the world knows this, don't they?
I guess I should play the clip.
Well, no.
Before you could answer the question.
Don't most people know this to be a fact?
And it's not some sort of a plot?
I mean, it's almost so automatic that, you know, you...
But this guy, this guy Breyer, who is just, apparently, he's never watched...
Is he a Supreme Court judge?
Is he a judge?
He's the Supreme Court judge.
And he says that, well, they showed it at 10 on the East Coast, but then they decided, decided to sneak it in at 9...
No, no, no.
I'm telling you.
...for 10 years that had featured...
This wasn't.
I mean, I don't know about this instance.
It's called Nude Awakening.
It's about the sexual awakening of a child.
You ran at your client after 10 o'clock on both coasts, and they choose to run it at 9 o'clock for some unknown reason in the Midwest.
Maybe they thought, I don't know, whatever.
My point is, what the FCC often terribly told you to do was run it one hour later in the Midwest, just as you did on the coast.
Wow.
That's awesome.
They ran it for some unknown reason.
What an idiot.
Was that unbelievable?
I was a jaw-dropper.
Listen, this is our Supreme Court?
They're making decisions about whether the law should be this or that, and this guy thinks they're running something an hour early for some unknown reason on the central time zone?
I mean, are they that out of touch?
I mean, I found it distressing.
Meanwhile, do you know that we were talking earlier about ICANN, do you know that they actually own Internet Time now?
No.
Yeah.
The time zone database...
Which keeps track of time zones, and it's Unix, Linux, of course, Apple's macOS uses this database to coordinate times across geographic regions.
Oracle, MySQL, anything written in Java, Perl, PHP. That is now being run by ICANN as well.
They just took that over just earlier this month.
Didn't hear about that.
They own time on the Internet.
The time zone master list.
They own time?
They own time.
Well, that's a good thing to own.
I wouldn't mind owning some time.
Yeah, they just said, hey, we'll run that.
Don't you worry about it.
You know what you could do if you messed up that database?
It was a lot of fun.
Wow, that's pretty sad, John.
So I'm watching...
I didn't realize...
You're always thinking about the...
I'm going to play a clip.
From a movie that was written in 2007.
This is before Janet Napolitano ever showed up.
I think we may have talked about this a couple years ago.
This is a new version of what?
Starship Troopers?
Number three.
Did you know they made three of these turkeys?
Yeah, we already played this clip.
No, this is from number three, though.
This is a new one.
This is a new commercial.
Oh.
This is the origins clip?
Yeah.
But I know, we have talked about it before, that apparently Janet Napolitano got the See Something Say Something from a science fiction story written in 1960.
But this is the one that came out in 2008 as Obama was being elected.
They really emphasized the See Something thing.
A man who calls himself a citizen!
A man who is no better than a plug!
That man is Elmo Gonneth, self-proclaimed pacifist turned terrorist.
And today, he and other members of the Gonneth Peace Coalition are wanted in connection with the council bombing.
And hey, citizen, you can help.
Know your neighbors?
Take another look, citizen.
You could be living next door to a big, fat reward.
If you see something, say something.
Would you like to know more?
Yeah, that was a big revelation that we did last year, John.
So I just wanted to re-revelate it because we have new listeners.
But I think, do you want to know more is a meme that our government needs to drop into.
I like the hey, citizen.
That's my favorite part.
I like hey, citizen.
Hey, citizen.
Maybe we should start doing something new besides in the morning just say hey, citizen.
Hey, citizen.
I don't like to be that derivative.
Hey, citizen.
That's how I'm going to talk to you from now on.
Hey, citizen.
How you doing, citizen?
Hey, citizen.
Hey, citizen.
I want to play a clip for you, a news clip from upstate New York near Buffalo, Leroy.
And this is some crazies going on up there.
And I want you to tell me what you think is happening, particularly when you hear the, I think it's the Surgeon General of New York State.
I guess they have their own Surgeon General.
He's at the beginning of this clip.
There's something very weird happening with teenage girls up there, and I want you to tell me what you think is happening.
State health officials addressed hundreds of concerned parents and community members here at Leroy Junior Senior High School, but for some of them, the information that officials had to give just wasn't enough.
We do have some answers.
We will share as much as we can without sharing the diagnosis.
We can't do that.
It's not right.
It's a federal issue, but it's not right either.
Answers leading to more questions in Leroy as state health officials tried to calm the fears of hundreds of parents, wondering why 12 high school students, all girls, have developed strange, uncontrollable ticks in recent months.
I can assure you that these individuals, the children have all been seen by professionals who have come up with an answer and they're being treated appropriately and they're actually doing pretty well.
State health officials and Leroy Superintendent Kim Cox met with a full auditorium after a three and a half month investigation announcing they've ruled out environmental factors like carbon monoxide as well as infections or communicable disease.
Illegal drugs were also ruled out.
We got the best minds focused in on this, and we're comfortable with what we've come up with.
But just what they've come up with, officials can't say.
Generally speaking, they cited genetics, head trauma, and drugs for OCD and ADHD as potential causes.
Antihistamines are also known to cause tics.
Stress and anxiety make them worse.
But those answers weren't enough for Jim DuPont.
He says his daughter has missed nearly every day of school this past month.
And so now she has to be tutored.
And I worry about her future.
She's only 17.
She can't even drive now.
DuPont says his daughter is seeing a neurologist, but he hasn't heard a diagnosis.
You feel frustrated and helpless because you don't know what you can do and you're just not getting any answers.
Alright.
What do you think is going on up there, John, that they can't talk about because it's a federal issue and we're confident we know what's going on, but it's okay.
Shut up, slave.
Hey, citizen, you don't need to know what's happening.
What could that be, John, that's happening to teenage girls who are developing tics and twitches like they have Tourette's syndrome?
Well, if I was to guess, not knowing, but the first thing that comes to mind when I hear this description is insecticides.
Teenage girls.
And they're all teenage girls.
Oh, HPV. It's got to have something to do with HPV. Gardazil, of course.
So did you think they all took Gardazil?
Of course they did.
Teenage girls all getting this?
Right, right, right.
That insecticide wouldn't work.
The boys would have the same problem.
Teenage girls.
You hear the guy in the beginning.
Yeah, we know what's going on, but we can't tell you.
It's a federal issue.
Shut up, slave.
It's Gardazil.
Ah, yeah.
This was one of our producers that sent this to me.
I thought that was a great catch.
I'm like, wow, it's so obvious what's happening here.
Only girls, please?
It's like, wow.
Yeah, that's a good catch by the producer.
It's a great catch.
Administrators and Leroy Schoolers have updated parents about a mysterious disorder that has affected 12, causing them to exhibit symptoms similar to Tourette's.
And then they go on with a long discussion of Tourette's.
This is your Democrat and Chronicle, a Gannett newspaper.
Well, that's a scandal, if true.
It's a huge scandal.
But the thing is, they're not telling the parents.
They say, we know what it is, but you can't know.
Shut up.
Well, we're good.
We're good.
We know what's going on, but we can't tell you.
It's a federal issue.
Well, if all these girls got a Gardasil shot, which by this would be the case, all they have to do is ask them.
Yeah.
We're talking about major, major, major, but they don't want to talk about it because there's a lawsuit here waiting to happen that would be not only kill the Gardasil business because of the situation, but it would sue the company out of existence.
Exactly.
So let's, yeah, let's shut it up.
Let's see if someone can, let's see if...
It only takes two girls.
Two of them come out and say, hey, I took the shot and I... You know, and then, yeah.
I'm looking online to see if...
Yeah, well, here, well, yeah, okay, so I'm not the only one figuring this one out for sure.
What is this?
Who did this video?
Let's see what this is.
Possible breakthrough.
What is up, YouTube Matt Larson 10?
Coming at you with a...
We don't need that.
Look, I have Tourette's Syndrome.
Very mild case of it.
I didn't get no HPV shot, okay?
This is an unknown condition.
No one knows what causes this.
You think I haven't looked into it?
It's unknown.
Now, I don't think these girls are going around going, Asshole!
Asshole!
You know, I don't think they have that kind of Tourette's.
No, no.
That would add a little more humor to the story.
Yeah, that would be kind of cool if you're in class.
But, no, this is completely sad, and I think you're right.
I think there's a huge, huge scandal brewing here, and hopefully someone can...
All it would take is just to say, hey, did your daughter have a Gardasil shot?
Yeah, you need one reporter asking three girls.
Oh, boy.
You think that the reporters who actually live on the money from the Gardasil vaccine commercials would actually do that and report on it?
You think so?
You think that'll really happen, John?
I guess not.
Hey, citizen.
We need to focus our attention for a moment because, of course, it was very quiet.
I think the silence before the storm was very quiet over there in Euroland.
But things have not stopped.
Some important news came out that we just need to discuss briefly.
Yeah, there's no doubt that it will...
Oh, what was that?
Let me hit this one.
...over its massive debt.
Negotiators representing the investors who've lent money to Athens again met the Greek Prime Minister on Friday, but there was no agreement, and afterwards a source for the negotiators said they are now much less optimistic.
Another meeting is planned next week.
Investors have said that they will accept getting back only half of their original loans, but the talks have been complicated by demands for further concessions.
The Greek government needs to slash its debt to more sustainable levels and convince the European Union and IMF to keep lending it money.
It wants another 130 billion euros on top of the 110 billion bailout it got in May 2010.
Greece's total debt is 340 billion euros.
Without a fresh injection of cash, the country will go bankrupt in March.
That's when it has to repay earlier loans, which are coming due.
A deal must be struck well before the 20th of March, when €14.5 billion worth of government bonds will be redeemed, because the paperwork alone will take at least six weeks to process.
So, this is, of course, in relation to standards and poor's downrating the debt of the following countries, Cyprus, Italy, Portugal, Spain, by two notches.
That's literally what the S&P report says.
Two notches, like it's the Eurovision Song Contest.
Two notches.
They lowered the long-term ratings in Austria, France, Malta, the Slovak Republic, and Slovenia by one notch.
And affirmed the long-term ratings on Belgium, which had already been downgraded, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands.
All ratings on the 16 sovereigns have been removed from the credit watch where they were placed with negative implications on December 5th.
So this is important.
This report from Euronews, I might add, was, I believe, broadcast before the talks literally broke down.
The hedge fund guys walked away from the table.
They said, we're not taking no 50% haircut.
We're not doing that.
They're all insured.
And, of course, this will trigger a huge derivative issue if Greece were to default.
Your thoughts on this, citizen?
It's a mess!
Beginning of the end.
These guys have done a wonderful job, the EU folks, even though you have people criticizing them, of forestalling the inevitable.
I'm just wondering how long they can go.
I was suspecting from following this fairly closely that all hell would break loose this month and it would set off the worldwide economic collapse.
But I'm thinking these guys are so good at this that I think they can kick it down a few months.
They're not getting much further than a couple more months, but that March deadline is going to be one of the showdown points.
I don't know.
Here's one of the guys from Russia.
Print more money, folks.
Print more money.
Well, if only they would.
That would certainly prolong it, but the European Central Bank doesn't seem to want to do that.
Here's one of the Russia Today commentators.
It struck a terrible blow for Sarkozy.
His only real chance of winning the election was to show himself as a safe pair of hands, as the devil you know in a crisis.
Now it's clear that France has both the crisis and the devil that they know.
So in internal French politics, it's a very serious event indeed.
But I repeat, it's not just a political matter.
It is the assessment by a rating agency of the ability of France And other countries to repay its debt.
And it's an assessment, therefore, that the debt situation in Europe has not been tackled and that, in fact, it is getting worse.
We've had a Eurozone crisis now for two years and it's been particularly intense for the last six months.
And a standard and pause in their press statement announcing the credit cuts say that they think that the European leaders have not responded to the crisis adequately, and that's why they're downgrading the countries.
So it's an assessment of the situation on the ground, which is that European countries are struggling to contain their debt.
So...
The way I read...
Just say it, man.
I don't have to go to another computer and look at what you're Skyping me.
Okay, I'm just setting up the end of show clips.
I have an end of show clip, too, though.
What do you have?
I have Ron Paul kicking everyone on MSNBC's ass.
He has the most eloquent interview with Morning Joe with...
What's her name?
Brzezinski?
Milka?
Milka?
Yeah, her.
Her.
Who's like...
Why don't we just run that?
How long is it?
It's about eight minutes.
Oh, jeez.
But he's so good.
Okay, why don't we just run that and I'll save my two clips.
I'll actually add the whole thing together.
Well, if you have Euro things, I am interested.
No, it's not Euro.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought you had Euro things.
No, no, I got some other stuff that's completely...
Well, just on the Euro thing, then, just to let you know how this...
First of all, very important, because what this guy was saying was that this is to screw Sarkozy.
And we know that the standards and poor...
It's a commercial business, so they're taking their orders probably from the Federal Reserve or Treasury or someone.
So it is to screw Sarkozy.
I'm pretty sure of that.
So France is like, hey, goodbye.
I still think, John, they're going to pull it off.
I don't think the Euro will collapse.
I think they're just going to...
It's been going on since 1956.
They so desperately want to have everyone paying their taxes to Brussels that I think they're really going to try and pull it off.
They're going to try and integrate so your taxes go directly to the central European state.
I think there's still a real possibility of that happening.
In fact, the Standards and Poor's report actually says that's what they need to do.
They need the fiscal union.
The political and fiscal union.
That will lead to civil war.
So, okay, sure, go that way.
It will.
Meanwhile, there in Baron von Pelsmacher's backyard, just to show you how...
Now, let's just say, John, let's just say, in a crazy world where this actually could happen, And I wanted to buy your house.
Now, your house is probably about $175,000.
I'm just guessing.
What?
I'm just guessing.
Yeah.
Okay, $200,000.
Whatever.
It's not a castle.
We're in California.
Okay.
$245,000.
And I said, I want to buy this house from you.
And I came over with a suitcase full of dollar bills.
Would that be acceptable to you?
Yeah.
Would you say, congratulations Adam, here's the deed, enjoy?
Yeah.
That'd be more than acceptable.
Well, that's not the way it works with the Euro.
Certainly not.
Wait a minute.
Yeah, listen to this.
I didn't even know this.
Apparently, there was already a legal limit in Belgium, which means, of course, it's all over Gitmo Nation Euro land, that payments in cash are now to be reduced from 15,000 to 5,000 Euro.
So you can't pay for anything in cash if it's over 5,000 euros.
What?
Yeah, and of course the new measures are intended to help in the battle against money laundering.
No, it's not.
Yeah, it's good for you.
They even want to lower it to 3,000.
What if I wanted to pay by check?
Now, that may be okay, but I think it's the cash that is a problem.
Yeah, that's because they want to go to a cashless society so you can monitor every cent you have.
And so everything has to be on a card.
It's like the food stamp thing in the United States.
Now, it's all on a credit card.
Debit card.
So it's a debit card.
So everything's on a card.
So you, Adam, you're going to get paid.
It gets to go on this card.
Now you have like $10,000, $20,000 on there, whatever it's worth, the card.
And then somebody in the government says, you know...
I think we should investigate this guy.
Pull his money.
Yeah.
Block his account.
Block his account.
Turn off his chip.
Hey, citizen.
You have no cash.
You can't get out of town.
There's no money allowed because you can't.
You know, this is a cashless society.
Yeah.
And now you're screwed.
Hey, citizen.
That's right.
It's coming really close.
But Gibbon Nation Lowlands is even better.
I couldn't believe this.
I mean, they might be not a civil war, but an uprising before you know it.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Seems unlikely.
They've got the voice over there in all the Euroland countries.
Everyone's like glued to the television.
Oh, the voice is on tonight.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah, he's such a good singer.
In the borough of Amsterdam West...
The council is going to introduce parking fees based on the length of the car.
This is like that idiotic crap in Finland.
Yeah.
So if you have a bigger car, you might wind up paying twice as much to park than a smaller car.
This is crazy.
It either fits in the spot or it doesn't.
Awesome.
Mmmmm.
Awesome!
It's awesome!
This is like what I think they should do.
You might as well just go all the way with this sort of thinking.
I'll tell you where this leads.
And I'm actually personally stunned that it hasn't happened already.
Hey, citizen!
When you go on an airplane, they weigh you and you get charged by the pound.
That's right.
Hey, citizen!
You look a little pudgy around there.
Why don't you step on the scale for a second, citizen?
Don't worry, it's just normal procedure.
Hey, citizen!
That'll be an extra 25 bucks.
Oh, you got luggage?
Oh, hey, citizen!
Yeah, you're right.
That's all coming.
And we'll be sitting here going down on the Titanic.
It's all coming that way because there's more ways to gouge the public.
Hey, what are we doing in Afghanistan again, John?
What was the point again?
Why are we there?
To get bin Laden.
Yeah, now that we got him, what should we be doing there?
Rebuilding the country.
No, come on.
There's got to be another reason.
Let me think.
To pee on people.
Is there anything that we could do that might make some money?
Oh yeah, we could grow puppies.
The United Nations says there's been a dramatic increase in the price and production of Afghan opium.
The latest report by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime will make worrying reading.
It says opium farmers in Afghanistan probably earned more than $1.4 billion in 2011.
That's equivalent to 9% of Afghanistan's GDP. The UNODC says there's also been a big increase in opium production.
Prices began rising in 2010 after plant diseases wiped out much of the poppy crop.
As a result, higher prices were predicted in 2011, but the UN says these have exceeded expectations.
Many farmers say they want to plant more opium poppies because of the high prices.
UN officials say opium is now a significant part of the African economy, which funds the insurgency and fuels corruption.
It's a bonanza!
1.4 billion, but the production, because I read the report, of course, so you don't have to, the production of opium, so not just the poppies, the production is 2.4 billion.
This is a bonanza, baby.
And this is just, if the farmers are making $1.4 billion, and of course they're the low end, they're at the bottom, there is a possibility that, I mean, or not the possibility, but if you do the math, the numbers must be enormous.
I mean, I can't imagine what the intelligence agency cut must be.
It must be $20, $30, $40 billion.
Who knows?
Well, it's $100 billion at least, because that's the amount they're allowed to take in gifts, remember?
They're allowed to take gifts over there?
Donations?
Remember we read that in the National Defense Authorization Act?
Oh, right, right, right, right, right.
Yeah, allowed to take gifts?
Yeah, that's $100 billion.
So, there's a little subtext of the story you kind of overlook, which is that the poppy seeds, or the poppies had this disease or whatever.
Yeah, to raise the price.
You know that Monsanto sells poppy seeds?
Mm-hmm.
You're kidding me.
Check it out.
Really?
Can I just buy them from them off the rack?
Let me see.
Monsanto poppy seeds?
Really?
I'm seeing some evidence that they've used Monsanto poppy seeds.
I guess they're developing a poppy seed that can't reproduce, which would be the safest way to grow them, of course.
Organic poppy seeds, no less.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Wow.
Heirloom seeds.
Heirloom poppy seeds.
That's right.
We harvested these right there from the fields in Afghanistan.
And then we protected them.
So they killed themselves after that.
So we're going to raise the price of the overall heroin market.
If you want some black, man, it's going to be hard.
Because we've got to corn it.
Because these poppy seeds will die.
And the Afghanis, they've got to go buy our seeds again.
Somebody's got to buy seeds from somewhere.
Especially if these other seeds are having a disease problem.
It's a good system.
It's a very, very good system.
We're really smart.
You're all a-holes.
And we're on to you.
Yeah.
That's my bottom line.
All right, let me set up this final end of show clip.
And I got to ease into it with a Pew Internet.
Pew, not Internet.
They have an Internet study.
Pew Internet is a study of American whatever.
Pew Research.
Yeah, they also have just the Pew Research.
And the LA Times did a nice hit job on Ron Paul, and of course, you know, we are trained as media assassins to go in and look at the underlying research.
And here it starts off with, the headline is, Voters Struggle to Answer Basic Questions About the GOP Field.
And a new poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press posed four questions.
Which GOP candidate served as Speaker of the House?
But then here's their conclusion.
43% of voters answered at least three of the questions correctly compared with just 16% of non-voters.
Voters were least able to name the candidate who opposes U.S. involvement in Afghanistan.
So, the way this reads, it's like, oh my god, no one knows that Ron Paul's against the war.
Right?
That's what it reads.
So, I go and look at the research, and they ask four questions.
And this is almost like one of those joke things where you ask three easy questions, and you ask a tough one, and then people are all flustered, and they don't know what to say.
I mean, that's how you do these things.
Question number one, which GOP candidate served as Speaker of the House?
69% new.
Mitt Romney was governor of.
53% knew that.
After Iowa and New Hampshire, the next primary is in.
45% knew that.
And then, which GOP candidate opposes U.S. involvement in Afghanistan?
44%.
It's not like that was completely off the radar.
It was 44% of the people knew that.
That's actually really good.
Yeah, it sounds reasonable.
It's not like nobody knew.
Well, I mean, considering that only 45% knew after Iowa and New Hampshire, the next primary is South Carolina, which has been on the news incessantly.
I think it's more of an indictment of the Los Angeles Times not getting the word of, you know, the facts to the public.
I think that they're...
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
They're trying to make Ron Paul look bad again by, oh, no one knows.
No one knows what he's all about.
The least.
They didn't say 44%.
They said the least.
44%.
I'm impressed, actually.
Yeah, some of these newspapers have no...
I mean, the Los Angeles Times is a real loser.
Yeah, who runs that?
Who owns that outfit?
Well, now it's a guy that says he's the supermarket king from Chicago.
He's out of Illinois.
Chicago.
Oh, by the way, in the show notes, a fantastic...
...article about Valerie Jarrett, now written by, I will admit, the Weekly Standard.
But finally someone's looking into who she is and what she does, and it starts off with,"...she seems to function as a sort of third party to the Obama marriage, guarding the president and his wife from bad news and outside influence while they are meeting with Lady Gaga." Yeah, that's a funny line.
I'm beginning to think there may be some sort of a menage a trois going on.
Now all of a sudden that became sexy.
She's got a big rack.
Anyway.
Maybe he's the beard.
I'm just saying it's a possibility.
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End of show clip is Ron Paul pwning MSNBC. All right.
Okay.
Let me answer it.
I understand where you're coming from here, I think, sort of.
But the house is already on fire.
And I think no matter what we think, the house is on fire.
Our house is on fire.
So let's take one industry specifically.
Let's take the automotive industry in this country.
Are you saying spend no money on the automobile industry in this country, that American automobile manufacturing let it disappear?
Well, I think you're correct.
The house is on fire, and you think you're putting water on it, and I think you're putting kerosene on it.
And that's the big argument.
No, you take the car industry.
Yes, I think we should put more money into the car industry, but it should come from private sources.
It shouldn't come from government, because government will divvy out the money politically.
But there are private sources of money.
If there's anything of value, it'll be bought up.
But you can't value anything when the government buys up assets that aren't sellable.
You buy up worthless assets.
So there's some worthless assets in these car companies.
So if you want good money to go into car companies, you have to allow real capital to flow into it.
So yes, you do want that, you just don't want the government to do it.
What systemic changes, if you look at tax policy which alters flow of capital as you know well, if you look at whether it's spending or any other aspect of the use of money, interest rates, monetary supply, etc., what systemic change would you put in, would you exploit this opportunity to change the system of capitalism in America for the better?
How would you change it?
Get rid of the income tax.
Get rid of corporate taxes.
And really lower taxes.
But you have to lower spending.
Would you add a consumption tax to make up for that?
Would you put a consumption tax in?
How would you make up for the lost revenue on income tax?
I agree with you on income and business tax.
I just don't know where you get the revenue elsewhere.
I'm not interested in getting the revenues.
I want to cut spending.
But the problem is nobody wants to cut the American empire.
Even Obama's administration wants to increase spending overseas and increase military spending.
As long as you want to run In the world empire at a trillion dollars a year, believe me, you cannot solve this problem.
And that is where the crush of the matter is.
So yes, you have to cut spending along with cutting taxes.
So to say, well, let's have a consumption tax, that's just transferring the penalty to new victims.
But you want to get taxes down, you want to get rid of regulations.
You don't want to do what we did after the Enron failure, pass Sarbanes-Oxley, you know, by the conservative Republicans.
That's the fault, it's in the thinking that we need so much government.
Congressman, are you really saying that given the meltdown on Wall Street and some of the craziness that we saw at Citigroup and Merrill and other places, that there should be less regulation, not more in some cases?
Yeah, we should have more on the Federal Reserve so that we know that we're doing.
They're exempt from regulation, as is Treasury.
We give Treasury $350 billion and we don't even know where they spend it.
That's the type of regulation you want.
But what about on Wall Street?
Do you not want to see on some of these derivative products, do you not want to see there be some kind of regulation in terms of what the banks can do?
Sure.
Anybody who commits fraud goes to jail, just as they did in Enron.
We didn't need Sarbanes-Oxley to prosecute everybody in Enron through the laws of fraud.
If they commit fraud, they go to prison.
Just like Madoff.
You know, we had all those regulations, SEC and everything else, and he got by.
It proves SEC didn't work.
But Congressman, it's not just fraud in some cases.
In some cases, people had very little equity put down and were leveraging things up tremendously.
Should there not be regulation about how much equity you effectively have to put in the deal or how much capital you have to have on your balance sheet?
Sure.
And if you understand leveraging up equity and debt, you have to look at fractional reserve banking.
That's where you pyramid debt.
So they're doing exactly what the Federal Reserve does is they create money out of thin air and they pyramid debt.
That's where the bubble comes from.
That's why you have to look at monetary policy.
But you're looking at the symptoms rather than the cause.
Congressman, hang with me for a couple of seconds here.
I am extremely limited.
And 90% of this conversation that you've been having with Dylan and Carlos has gone way above my head.
But your basic theory, let's get government out of nearly everything.
Let's swing back to what I do nearly every morning.
I drive to work on roads filled with potholes beneath bridges that are crumbling.
What's the answer here?
Do I go out and try and find six carpenters and some bricklayers and some masons to fix those bridges and bridges, roads and bridges?
Government's got to do it.
What's the deal here?
What is your point of view about stuff like that?
Basic reconstruction of this country.
Okay, I know I can't have my perfect society quickly, but what I would do is quit bombing bridges in Iraq and then paying to rebuild them, and then wasting the money in the rebuilding over there.
I would take that money, save it on the deficit, cut the deficit, and spend some on our infrastructure.
That's what I would do, and we could do that.
But as long as you do it through debt financing, it's impossible.
Ideally, roads and bridges should have been taken care of by our states.
It wasn't designed in the Constitution that the federal government would take care of every bridge and every road.
But that isn't the worst type of spending.
I think in the interim, we certainly could.
We could cut the spending overseas.
But we're going to bring ourselves to our knees.
We're going to have a dollar crisis.
We're doing exactly what Osama bin Laden wanted to do, what he did to the Soviets.
He's bringing about financial chaos to this country.
And we've got to realize the excessive spending that is a problem.
It's not that we need more government spending.
I want to ask you the same question I've been asking myself, everybody on the set.
I asked Tucker, I asked Pat, I'll ask you.
In reality, forget your perfect society, mine, or anybody else's.
In reality, we're going to lose millions of jobs over the next year or two.
In reality, our banks have been mismanaged horribly as a result of both the bankers and the politicians, in my opinion, and we're now dealing with that.
What would you do?
In other words, saying what you don't think should happen has a value to a point, In reality today, what do you think the American politicians and bankers ought be doing?
I wouldn't pretend that pouring kerosene on the earth is working.
Well, you started with I wouldn't.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I wanted you to start it with I would.
Okay, what I would do is allow the liquidation of debt to occur.
You want the people to spend more money in buying up assets.
You want these assets priced in the marketplace so we know what their values are.
That's why that first package of the...
No one in the market will do that.
As you know, I want that too.
Then there's no value there.
That's a good information, then there's no value.
Why should you dump that on the American taxpayers?
That's a strong message that if it's worthless, you don't dump it on the taxpayers.
That's why our slump is getting worse.
How do you get this country healthily to your perfect society, where there's limited taxes and free markets and innovation reigns supreme, and me and Willie are on the beach getting drinks served to us from robots, but that's not where we are today.
How do you get that?
How do you deal with the reality of the problems of this country?
Well, the reality is you have to liquidate debt and get rid of the malinvestment.
If you don't do that, you can't do it.
But what you're doing now is you're working on the destruction of the dollar.
There's a pretense that you're going to improve things, but you're really going to destroy the dollar.
And a financial crisis we have today is going to be a dollar crisis.
Yeah.
I know the risks.
Congressman, quick question.
Would you be willing to accept unemployment in the double digits, 14 to 15 percent, for several years, if in your mind that's what it took to fix our fiscal house?
Well, it's better than 20, but I wouldn't be responsible.
The people who created the bubble would be responsible.
Go talk to Greenspan and ask him if he is accepting the responsibility for the 14%.
So you can't blame the people who are trying to correct the problems on the unemployment.
You've got to blame the people who created the bubble, the people who were delighted with all the billions of dollars they were making in the last decade or two.
I agree with a lot of what he says.
The frustrating part of this is to try to figure out the constructive way forward.
Identifying the problems.
The conversation keeps going with everybody throughout the show.
It keeps going backwards.
To Obama's credit, he's trying to move forward, and it's going to be an interesting conversation.