We celebrate MISCHIEF NIGHT with the scariest show on the internet: MINION DEATH CULT. Hosts Alexander Edward and Tony Boswell find the scariest, most deranged, and dumbest boomer posts online and read them slow enough to truly grasp their inanity. After sharing some dumb Halloween stories, we look at an evangelical plot to infiltrate costume shops, commemorate last years' Nov 4 Antifa supersoldier revolution, recall the Infowars hit piece on Jamie earlier this year, and close out with some Tim Pool Joker-posting.
And our guest this week is Minion Death Cult, one of my favorite podcasts.
Thanks so much for joining us via Skype.
Hey, thanks a lot for having us.
I'm Alexander Edward.
I'm Tony Boswell, and yeah, we're very pumped to be here.
Excellent.
So I started listening to Minion Death Cult a couple months ago, maybe three months ago, on the recommendation of my friend Alan, who's a really big fan of yours.
So thank you, Alan.
But just let our listeners know, what is the Minion Death Cult and what do you do on your show?
Yes, so Minion Death Cult is kind of like obliquely a media analysis podcast, you know, but instead of covering like the New York Times or Fox News or whatever, We cover your grandma's minion memes on Facebook.
We can go through it.
The idea is to kind of like try and understand how mostly boomers, but just regular people in general process politics on social media, and it's every bit as petty and consumer driven as we've been led to believe.
And it sounds kind of cute, in a way, that you're talking about these memes and boomer posts, but it's actually often very unsettling and creepy, especially when you get into, like, the QAnon, the Storm stuff.
Like, they have this concept of revolution.
Oh yeah, I've seen, like, on dank leftist memes, the image is like, oh hey, it's me, Sunset Profile Picture, here to say something super racist.
That kind of thing.
Yeah, exactly.
So that's why I thought it'd be cool to have you on for our Mischief Night episode, or should I say Minions Night.
And before we get to some very spooky boomer posts, I wanted to just go around and we can all share maybe some of our favorite Mischief Night or Halloween Mischief stories.
My go-to Halloween story is actually also the story of like the drunkest I've ever been and like the last time I'll ever get that drunk.
Um, so I went to a party and my costume at the time was like, I, you know, honestly it's distasteful at this point, but it was, um, I was wearing this like really short cutoff shorts, like a sleeveless freedom isn't free shirt.
This like ear flapped hat.
And like, you know, I, I was just, and I was probably doing some sort of like, I'll say down home accent, but mind you, I'm wearing like, I'm a large person.
And at the time I was probably like a good 75 pounds more than I am now.
So, booty shorts, slavish shirt, all cut up.
Long story short, as I get really drunk, I'm like, I gotta go take a break.
I gotta go relax for a minute.
Go out front, do a little strategic puking, go back inside, and I'm like, you know what?
Still not good.
I'm gonna sit down and watch some TV.
And so I sit down and watch some TV, because this is my good friend's house at the time, And, um, someone comes downstairs and they're like, uh, get the fuck out of my house.
And I was like, um, sorry, they will tell me to leave the house when they want me to leave the house.
I don't know who you are.
And, um, I kind of look around and realize I am in fact in the wrong house.
I had a nickel for every time that's happened to me, man.
So, uh, turns out, um, so I go Across the street to the correct house.
I don't know how I crossed the street.
You don't know how you're doing these things.
And I'm like, damn, I am.
I am.
I'm fucked up.
Let me go ahead and let me go ahead and take a nap in my car.
So I go in my car and take a nap for probably like not even that long, like 30 minutes.
And then I realize, oh, man, dude, you didn't even drive here because you knew you were going to get really drunk.
This is also not your car.
Oh, yeah.
While I was in the car, the cops came.
You got so drunk that private property was abolished.
To be fair, I have done that when I was not even drunk.
Like one time I got in the car and I was just waiting for my friend Jess to come get in the driver's side and then like a whole Mexican family rolls up and I'm like, oh, I'm in their car.
My bad.
Yeah.
They thought it was funny.
While I'm in the car, I guess the cops roll up because somebody had, you know, done a breaking and entering in the house next door.
They can't find me because I'm in the car.
And so they come back.
I finally figure it out.
And by this time, I'm actually sober-ish.
So I go back in the house and they're like, yeah, like they were looking for somebody.
Turns out it was me.
But the real moral of the story is, It's not so much like, don't get fucked up on Halloween.
It's like, I don't know, lock your doors.
I didn't try hard to get into one of these things.
Yeah, they must have been liberals leaving their doors unlocked.
Seriously, that's on them.
No, I totally agree with you.
I remember having that same thought, actually, after I mistakenly walked into someone's house in Austin.
And I've done it in other places.
I've done it in New Orleans.
You really don't want to do it in New Orleans.
They really don't like it.
Tony, I'm really glad you made it out of that OK.
Yeah, seriously.
Yeah.
In retrospect, I got very, very lucky in a lot of ways.
But also, mind you, I'm kind of half naked the whole time.
I'm wearing very little clothes.
And so it wasn't just someone downstairs.
It's this, you know, Six foot four, 315 pound man, just chilling on your couch.
Man, that's like the time... That's like the time, oh my god, when me and my friends, we rent a cabin every winter somewhere upstate and like there's this one house we always used to stay at and it was so nice and then there was like a little guest house down the hill and we usually rented out both but we didn't have as many people this year so we only rented out the big house The people in the- there was a couple staying in the guest house, and we creeped on them so hard.
My friend Ahmad, also a big man, he was like naked hiding behind a tree, like spying on them.
Just a big, gay, black, lovely dude on mushrooms.
And you know what?
I would have been into it, but they weren't.
And it wasn't even Halloween, so there's no excuse.
We were wearing costumes, though.
Those of us who were wearing clothes.
Or we were wearing costumes, but not in ways that made us decent.
But this is like January, right?
Oh yeah, there was snow on the ground.
I thought you were going to tell the story, Tony, about the time I tried to throw you in a pool at a Halloween party before we were best friends.
But you didn't tell that story, so.
No, yeah, yeah.
I mean, after I had just pushed your best friend into a pool because I was an asshole.
You really did kind of like take out my best friend and then become my new best friend.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it was all strategy.
I was going to throw Tony in the pool as retaliation, but Tony is just as big as I am, and I realized I wasn't going to be able to do it without going in the pool myself, so I stopped.
I really am enjoying hearing the origin story of your friendship.
But let me tell my Mischief Night story very quick, because it's incredibly pure.
We need it.
I did like egg and toilet paper a house one year, but it just didn't feel right to me.
Like, okay, yeah, they weren't home for trick-or-treating, but maybe they had a good reason.
It didn't feel good that I did that.
So the next year I, but I still want to do some mischief, so the next year I talked some friend of mine, a group in the suburbs, into driving me around and we, I would steal, I would find like houses that had like a lot of pumpkins, like too many, like 15, and I would take them, I would take like four of them and go to houses that didn't have pumpkins And gave the houses without pumpkins pumpkins.
Oh my god.
Redistributing the pumpkin wealth.
That is the most wholesome and on-brand mischief that I've ever heard of.
That is extremely sweet.
I'm really in love with that.
You're the Robin Hood of pumpkins.
I wish I could be more of a Halloween bastard, but I'm a sweetheart.
What can I say?
Wow, well, that makes me feel really bad about all of my Halloween- I mean, okay, most of my Halloween mischief has happened as an adult, because when I was a kid, I was a nerd and didn't get into any mischief, believe it or not.
You usually need friends!
To do mischief and I didn't have any for a while.
So, oh God, I feel like I'm being a real downer right now.
But then I grew up and moved to New York City where all my dreams came true.
All of my little high school girl dreams where I'm like, yeah, I'm going to move to New York.
I'm going to be a writer.
I'm going to throw golf parties.
I'm going to have all these awesome friends and we're going to have a lot of fun together.
And guess what?
I did.
Crushed it.
So.
I've been throwing Halloween parties for a pretty long time now.
I started doing it with my friend and roommate, Debbie.
I realize I talk about Debbie and other friends of mine just like you already know them when I'm on this show sometimes, and that's just like part of the, you know, the parasocial project, you know?
Like, why wouldn't you know who Debbie is?
It's Debbie.
So yeah, you can see her right now probably in your head.
It's Debbie.
So we used to throw parties at this loft where we lived in South Hasidic Williamsburg.
And then I started doing them at venues.
So there's this one year when we threw a cult-themed party, and that's actually the name of Debbie's store now.
She has a witch store called Cult Party.
Anyway, we were dressed as the Manson Girls, me and Debbie and our friend Jess, and we were all Very freaky and spooky.
And there was a band playing.
Shout out to Dinah Walrus.
And I was feeling a little bit nauseous.
And then I threw up in the middle of the floor at my own party.
It is pretty mischievous.
But yeah, it was.
But I was rolling so hard I didn't even care.
I was just like, I feel great and just like went into a different room to like talk to people or like hug them or something.
And then eventually it occurred to me that I should probably go clean up my vomit from the floor.
But like, by the time I got back there, there were so many people like walking around and dancing that it had already been like completely distributed to the point of like, you can't even see it anymore.
I was like, cool.
That's when you used to light some incense.
Yeah, exactly.
And I actually had this story told back to me when I was paying the guy from Dinah Walrus the next day.
He was like, hey Jamie, I heard some girl threw up during our set.
And I was like, oh yeah, I wouldn't know anything about that.
Just kidding, I told him.
Of course I told him, it was funny.
It's because you guys were so good.
You guys were rocking so hard that I had to vomit.
Exactly.
This band is so good, I'm disgusted by it.
I had a brief noise project, fortunately.
I did not take that route in my life.
Angie, I never knew.
One of our two shows, we were so loud and noisy, we made someone puke.
And I think that was a pretty big achievement.
Wow.
As far as that genre goes.
Yeah, seriously.
I mean, I've seen blank masks and nobody puked at that.
So, good job.
You had to stop after that.
You accomplished the goal of noise.
Do we have another Halloween story or should we move on to the posts?
Yeah, I got one.
So, uh, me and my friends, we used to do lots of mischief, uh, and we would, you know, sneak out at night and go around and vandalize shit.
Uh, I have a great story about coming back from an Avenged Sevenfold concert, uh, in like 2003 when Fall Out Boy opened for them.
Uh, we, we took a microwave out of the alley and put it in the back of his truck.
And then I threw it at a road sign going like 50 miles an hour.
Uh, but this story is we were like, we were just doing vandalism.
We were toilet papering or something.
And, uh, there was a guy on his porch and he saw us and, uh, he chased us down and he, he said he was a cop.
Right.
And we're like 13 or 14.
So we just went with it.
We were like, okay.
And he had us all down on the ground.
And he was just very clearly drunk.
At that point, we could tell, you know, I don't remember how old he was, probably mid 20s or something.
I do not like where this is going.
And we, we realized that his gun was like actually just a wallet.
And so one of us yelled run.
And we all got up and ran.
And he ended up following me.
And he was chasing me through the orange groves of Highland.
And I could hear him like huffing and panting the whole time.
And then I came out of the orange groves at the edge of this like huge hill.
So I just jumped down the hill and sprained my ankle and kept running and we got away.
But it was, yeah, very, very exhilarating for like a 13, 14 year old.
That's so creepy.
What do you think he was gonna do to you?
Just fuck with us.
Just fuck us.
Yeah.
My mind's in the gutter.
That is the place my mind goes, though, when like some old man impersonates a cop to like have power over children.
Yeah, absolutely.
Impersonating a police officer, that's a serious offense.
You know, we kind of lost some respect for him because of that as well.
I'm sure.
No respect for stolen valor, except for all the respect when it's for a discount.
So I want to get into the posts here.
I want to start off with one about Halloween.
Oh yeah.
And Alexander, you found this one by David Harold Grisham.
I guess before we start, how do you find these posts?
Are you just a member of dozens of terrible boomer Facebook groups?
Yeah, I'm a member of about 200 different Facebook groups.
Half of them are leftist and like half of them are just the worst right-wing groups you could think of.
Some of them are very corny and boomery and you just get responses in the comments like, you know, MAGA, CAG, Trump or whatever and then others are like actual like white nationalism or what do you call it?
Crypto-fascism.
People will live stream, uh, I don't want to say the name of the podcast, but it's like a white nationalist, uh, anti-Semitic podcast.
They'll stream live stream videos of that straight into the Bill O'Reilly fans Facebook group.
And so we'll get a notification of a video playing in that group.
And it's just people talking about Jews, except every time they say the word Jew, there's like a sound effect for a coin flipping instead.
crazy fascist shit and you can say come town on this show it's fine yeah so this i i don't remember exactly where i saw this post but it's it's a great post and we can go through it if you want yeah yeah so this is from uh david harold grisham and he's like i he might be a real preacher but he's definitely a street preacher he's
He goes to, like, pride events and, you know, yells at people and thinks that that's, thinking that documenting this sort of stuff is going to endear him to social media.
And he posted this, which is more benign and very funny, I think.
Wait, wait, hold on.
Where is this?
I need to pull it up.
It's at the top of the email.
At the top of the email.
It's Alexander's first email.
Oh, there it is.
Also, the chat's not working for some reason for me.
Google Docs.
OK.
You guys can go ahead.
OK, so David Harold Grisham writes, Well, Saints, it's that time of year again where we have to preach to lukewarm Christians who participate in pagan celebrations like Halloween.
Um, so this guy isn't, like, a Jehovah's Witness, right?
Like, he celebrates some holidays, but it's clear here that Halloween is, like, offensive because it's pagan, you know?
So you're, like, still allowed to celebrate other holidays, but I just... Like, what other holidays does he think are bad or evil, you know?
Like, I love the idea of annoying this guy with a bunch of questions about which holidays are bad.
Like, like, oh, Pastor David, are we allowed to celebrate the the vernal equinox?
He's like, no, no, no, that's pagan, you know.
OK, what about the the summer solstice?
We allowed to celebrate that one?
Just like see that now that's that's pagan again.
Well, surely Ramadan is OK, though, right?
Chinese New Year.
We allowed to celebrate that and just like every go through every single holiday with him.
St.
Patrick's Day.
That's a tough one.
Well, Tony is the Irish Catholic here.
So how are your feelings on St.
Patrick's Day, Tony?
St.
Patrick's Day is, you know, we have to celebrate it because if we don't, then that's just straight up erasure.
We have to uphold those traditions.
That's the only time that people will eat corned beef and potatoes with such fervor.
So, I think it's important that we keep that tradition alive.
Also, while, you know, maybe doing a soft racism throughout the whole thing.
I mean, if you don't celebrate, the snakes are just gonna come back, and there's gonna be snakes everywhere.
Exactly.
Ugh, who wants to?
I mean, I guess people who live in Florida already understand what that's like, and it's terrible.
Yeah.
So this guy is mad about Halloween, but he has a plan.
Again, this year, our ministry will go into these stores.
So he's talking about the, like, strip mall Halloween spirit stores that sell costumes and stuff.
This year, our ministry will go into these stores undercover and put gospel tracks inside costume bags, decoration boxes, etc.
He's talking about like an undercover mission to subvert the pagan cause of Halloween.
Hopefully they're the Jack Chick tracks that are about Halloween.
I love those Chick tracks, unironically.
Me too.
I actually bought... So, you know those comics that Evangelicals hang out?
Oh yeah.
There's like 60 of them, and some of them are just excellent comics.
I always pick them up when I see them.
But then one of them is about how Halloween is satanic, and I actually... Hell yeah.
One year I bought like 30 of them and dressed up like Jack Chick and passed them out.
What does he look like?
What's he dressed like?
What does he look like?
He just looks like an Evangelical.
Nice.
Yeah, my favorite one is a guy who's in bed and somebody is like proselytizing to him explaining about like the wonders of Jesus and the guy's like, wait, are you telling me that Jesus is God?
Yeah, that was so good.
Yeah, and there's ones about like metal and Dungeons & Dragons.
He gets pretty fun with it.
Oh, is that where that meme comes from?
Like they didn't listen to Jesus because he told them the truth?
That's a Chick track.
That is, that's proved extremely useful for me in my life because I often find myself in that situation in Jesus's position.
Yeah.
I've always thought of you as being very similar to Jesus.
Thank you.
Me too.
I'm similar to Jesus in that I like really like feet and I like to wash people's feet.
Hell yeah, get it.
Yeah, he's treating this whole endeavor, you know, like it's a covert ops mission, which I just really like.
You have to go undercover to put these chick tracks inside costume bags, decorate.
It's like, should you be compromised, the Holy Father will disavow any knowledge of your actions.
He goes on, we have been doing this for years now.
Here are some helpful tips if you want to do this in your city.
One, do not go inside wearing Christian clothing.
Do this undercover so as not to draw attention to yourselves.
What's Christian clothing?
Like a priest robe or something?
So you have to take off your bonnet.
You have to put on your Rastafarian dreadlock wig.
Do not wear your holy water Yeezys.
You'll have to wear like LeBron's or something.
I mean, considering this guy usually dresses in a Dayglo green shirt that has aggressive Jesus text on it and carries a sign about how everyone's going to hell, he probably just means like, don't dress like that.
Yeah.
Leave your signs at home.
Like, I'm picturing, like, a Donnie Brasco-esque scene where Pastor David is, like, removing his pewter nail cross necklace and, like, placing it on the counter and taking off his Reese's Pieces Jesus knockoff shirt and folding it up.
Number two, do not put your church information on the tracts.
This will get you nasty phone calls and emails if you do.
You do not want your church associated with this radical act of disobedience.
Culture jamming.
This reminds me of the gemstones episode where the rival church puts the flyers about the gemstones on everybody's car.
Yeah, totally.
Do not hang out as a group inside while doing this.
If you go in a group, split up while inside the store so as not to be noticeable and you can cover more area and be quicker.
It's just like describing physical reality in this op.
I would love to see a group of Christian culture jammers like enter a store like, all right, everyone split up, fan out and just like go around trying in their like weird normal people costumes trying to look as unobtrusive as possible.
Christians trying to do improv everywhere.
You see like a few of them starting to form a prayer circle and you're like, what are you doing?
Stop.
Pull their hands apart.
Don't pray over this man.
You can't.
Not right now.
You're going to give us up.
I can't help it.
Number four, spend no more than 30 minutes inside each store.
Remember, you can go back and do it again several times before Halloween.
This is how you help.
This helps you keep a lower profile.
You should probably buy a devil costume just so they don't suspect you.
Just blend in with all the other heathens.
You should probably just dress like the devil while you do it.
Just saying really loudly, like, I'm just really into Satan, and that's all I'm into.
I assure you that this Jesus guy sucks.
I don't love Jesus at all.
I definitely don't pray to him every day as my eternal Lord and Savior.
Yuck.
Trick or treat, fellow Satanists.
Hey guys, isn't sodomy great?
You're just like you like bring a copy of Harry Potter with you instead of the Bible.
You're like reading aloud from it.
Oh my god.
Because that's what like normal people do.
No, I thought Harry Potter was satanic.
Yeah, normal people are satanic.
Oh, right, right, right.
It's unfortunate how ubiquitous satanism is.
Number five, if you have a large enough group, you can assign one person to keep an eye on the store employees.
And if they get suspicious, you can distract them with a question about their products or pricing.
Have this person communicate with the other team members.
He's just like still talking.
He's like talking like he's an employee here.
Have this person communicate with the other team members by text message.
Being on your phone is not at all suspicious in today's culture.
Well, that's true.
These are like instructions for people who just don't go outside.
They've been frozen in amber since like 1910.
He's describing, like, how groups work inside, you know, the three-dimensional, uh, cube, and he's describing, like, how culture is with these people.
Yeah, I love it.
And yeah, being on your phone is not at all suspicious in today's culture.
I'm like, what?
Why am I looking at my phone?
Uh, I'm just, I'm, I'm texting Bae about eating ass.
I was going to write him a letter instead, but then I remembered I don't know how to use cursive.
And he can't read it, so I have to use my iPhone iMessage app.
Why does your text message say abort abort abort over and over again?
Oh, well, I am talking to my girlfriend.
I'm not married to her.
I was talking to Planned Parenthood.
Telling them what I what I like them to do.
All right, there's still more instructions though.
If you get caught, just leave peacefully and immediately and do not reveal what you've been doing.
I feel like this one's the big one.
Like you probably should just tell them you were putting like little slips of paper and not like, I don't know, smearing feces on the costumes.
I feel like if you get caught, they already know what you've been doing.
No?
Yeah.
Well, they definitely saw you, like, feeling up all the merchandise and, like, sifting through bags and stuff.
I don't think their mind would automatically go to, like, slipping pamphlets in there.
Like, it definitely looks like you're doing something much weirder than that.
I mean, I don't know if it's I think slipping pamphlets is the weirder thing, but like shoplifting is more illegal.
So maybe it'd be better for them to think, oh, oh, these are just Jesus freaks.
They're just littering.
That's all they're doing.
Yeah, they're littering and possibly loitering.
The response is good.
I like the idea though of some, you know, some visual anti seeing some group of people coming in, obviously orchestrating something.
One of them trying to distract like the manager by asking how much the bulk fake blood is and like taking matters into his own hands before the robbery happens.
You know, like that, that's definitely an option today.
It's like firing off a few shots.
Anyone thinking about doing anything?
Just don't do it.
So this post went really viral.
I think you're forgetting the most important step.
Step seven.
Enjoy yourself.
This is really fun to do.
Seems really fun.
There's only seven rules, so it's it's still pretty fun.
Some people think rules are fun.
Well, I mean, I'm just saying it's it's more fun than like Jordan Peterson's 12 rules.
Oh, well, that's a low bar.
Yeah.
This post went really viral.
It had like 4,000 comments just from people laughing at it.
But so many of the comments were people who were like, how dare you touch a store's merchandise?
That is, that is tampering.
And then it's like, wow, that is exactly the wrong reaction.
That's your takeaway from this whole thing?
Fuck off.
You wage cook.
It was a lot of people trying to own this guy by explaining that Christmas is based on a pagan holiday as well.
So like every comment was that level of, you know, insufferability.
But I just love the idea of like standing for the merchandise from a spirit Halloween store to own a Christian.
Oh my god, you know what?
That is, unfortunately, those are the two sides with power right now in this neoliberal hell world, right?
Like, on the one hand, we've got these old institutions and these paleoconservatives that are, like, kind of breaking down, but kind of still have power in their last death throes.
And on the other side, we have this, like, fucking Just morally barren, spiritually empty, hollow kind of diversity capitalism where your entire being is expressed through your consumer choices.
And you know what?
I choose option three, none of the above.
Well, I think that you kind of nailed it there, though, talking about, you know, your identity through what you consume.
And we are ignoring the importance of Halloween culture.
You know, spirit, spirit world or, you know, those spirit Halloween stores, those are those are a place we make a pilgrimage to every year to to get our fog machines, our fake blood, our cobwebs.
And it's like a religious experience to some, you know, Hot Topic doesn't quite cut it anymore.
Oh, that's definitely true.
I went in one for the first time in a while and was very disappointed.
Like, it's all, like, weird anime shirts now and, like, cartoon characters and, like, the kind of 90s, late 90s goth chick clothes that I used to buy there are just totally gone.
It's sad.
You can still get them online though.
There's like a pretty good, trust me.
I still shop Hot Topic online.
Don't worry.
You should make an Otz goth girl tract.
Like a comic tract and slip it into the anime shirts or whatever.
I should.
I should do that.
No, I think it's very important.
It's good that you bring up Halloween culture because I think Everybody, you know, everyone tries to be a good person in general, right, but sometimes it's good to issue a reminder, you know, at this very spooky time of year.
You might want, you might get a little curious, you might want to try on some black lipstick, maybe like dye your hair black with temporary dye, maybe like even put on some of those fingerless gloves or whatever, but like I think you need to be a little more aware when you do that of the rich tradition of Gothic American culture that you're appropriating.
So I just want to remind everyone to be sensitive, especially at this time of year.
You know, it's a culture, not a costume.
I mean, that's that's the that's the blackface that no one talks about, you know, just black color as in like whitewash to death, not culture.
No one wants to talk about it, but black lipstick is not funny.
You're right.
It's what makes some people human, and it's not funny to do that.
That's like the one Trudeau we haven't gotten yet is Goth Trudeau.
Well, I actually have a distant relative who's from the Halloween town that Jack Skellington's from, so I can do it, but I agree with you.
I don't know.
I'm going to want to see your blood quantum results.
Wait, hold on.
So Nightmare Before Christmas is really just about Jack Skellington appropriating the culture from Christmastown, right?
Yeah, in retrospect, you totally cringe.
Can't watch it.
Very problematic.
Yeah.
Yeah, Jack is super canceled.
Um, so I tried to find some more Halloween comments.
I was scouring the stories about the tricker, like the cop warnings about trick-or-treaters being, uh, edibles being given to trick-or-treaters.
And I read like three or four articles and all of the comments were like, this is stupid.
Nobody's going to do this.
No one's gonna waste that much money getting kids high for free.
It was just, I guess they were trying to scare boomers and it just did not work.
Like nobody bought it, which is kind of nice.
I think the fear mongers went with the wrong angle, you know, because like, you know, weed is becoming more legal.
It's becoming more accepted.
They should have just gone with like, you know, nefarious people are spiking your kids Tootsie Rolls with fentanyl.
And that would have overrided any sense of, you know, logic.
I've seen stories where they show some like old school pressed ecstasy pills from the 90s and they're like, these look like candy.
People are going to give them to your kids and say they're candy.
Like who?
What?
I mean, I guess there might be one psychopath in the world who both wants to get kids high on ecstasy and has that much money to waste on it.
But like, come on, man.
I will say one time I bought a THC lollipop from somebody and I like walked you know down the block somewhere and I checked and I noticed that I didn't have the lollipop anymore and I realized I must have dropped it on the street.
Oh no!
Oh, no.
And then I, like, went to look for it.
And very weird coincidence, but there was a parade that passed me by.
Oh, shit.
It was like an Easter parade.
Oh, no.
And there was an Easter bunny throwing candy.
Oh, fuck.
So that's a true story.
Well, I guess you were the Easter Bunny that day.
Yeah, I really hope a kid did not eat that lollipop.
The only time street candy is okay.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
The only time you would ever pick up a lollipop from the street.
Oh, man.
My daughter knows, like, when she trick-or-treats, she's like, trick-or-treat, and do you have any of that good stuff?
And that's when they, and then I get that.
Then she gets it for me.
Trick or treat, a one-to-one THC to CBD ratio, please.
Please.
I did find something else on this guy's page.
This guy's page is wonderful, by the way.
Instant follow from me, David Harold Grisham.
Uh, there, somebody posted a meme.
It's like an infographic thing.
It says, Halloween is not accepted by Christ.
The Bible condemns these practices, so why in the world would professing Christians celebrate them one night of the year?
And then there is like a side-by-side list of all this stuff you're not supposed to practice.
Witches, Exodus 22 10.
Vampires, Leviticus something.
Wizards, Deuteronomy.
Ghosts, Leviticus.
So God condemns the practice of ghosts.
And, uh, wizards and vampires.
Yeah, I was gonna say, how does one practice ghosts?
Yeah, I think you have to die first and then, like, make a pact with Satan to be a spooky poltergeist.
Isn't, isn't, like, isn't Leviticus, like, them talking to ghosts?
Isn't there a ghost conversation?
Like, I think that's, like, the one time, like, no, ghosts are kind of real.
Like, I think that's in the Bible.
And then underneath it says, reject Halloween.
And if trick-or-treaters come to your door, hand them candy and a gospel tract.
Just buy a hundred Bibles and hand them all out.
Like, yeah, you're still giving them candy and rewarding them for participating in this pagan holiday.
And they get a little extra treat in the form of a chick tract.
So I don't understand how this is supposed to be a deterrent.
And if they're already irony poisoned, they'll just enjoy the chick tract.
So that works out nicely.
I would enjoy the Chick Direct more than the treat, to be honest.
It's funny.
I talk every once in a while about how I, when I was younger, I was a bit of a self-righteous Christian.
And I was thinking about, I would always talk about those things that like, you're not supposed to celebrate.
I remember having like one of my first like girlfriends at like, you know, 17.
And she was like, oh, let me read your sign.
And I was like, no, no, you can't do that.
We can't talk about signs.
That is not cool with JC.
He is not down with astrology.
This is a long time before you gave Bill Ingvall a chance because you thought his bit was about astrology.
Exactly.
Now I've found full circle.
My friend Debbie went to Christian camp when she was a kid.
Her parents sent her there and she got in trouble for having tarot cards there and playing light as a feather, stiff as a board.
Yeah, hell yeah.
And then she responded by becoming a fully grown witch with a intersectional feminist witch boutique in Brooklyn.
So clearly it worked.
Nice.
My friend, one of my best friends, was not allowed to watch Duck Tales because the idea of a talking duck was blasphemous.
Wow.
That's so good.
My kid's not allowed to watch DuckTales because the idea of a billionaire is blasphemous.
Hell yeah.
Oh, could you imagine though, like the, what's that movie with the dog and the kid?
Damien?
Is it Damien?
I didn't quite narrow that one down.
Can you- Oh my god.
Can you- Can you imagine- Yeah, it's Damien.
Like, the dog talks to the kid and he tells him to do evil shit.
Right?
I'm not making this up, guys.
Yeah, yeah, no, you're right.
You're right.
Like, what if Damien, but with Donald Duck instead of a dog?
Think about it.
I'm with it.
I can't even do the voice.
Well, yeah, you wouldn't even be able to understand half the satanic commands he gave you, so it might work out a little better.
You're a little worse, depending whose side you're on.
Let's move on to celebrate the anniversary of a notorious, hilarious internet moment, which was the November 4th uprising of Antifa super soldiers that beheaded white people in town squares.
Do you guys remember this from all the way back in 2018?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Getting the blood off my hands and clothes was a big chore.
Feels like so much longer since then.
That's crazy.
I know.
Was it last year or was it two years ago?
I think it was last year.
Oh my god.
Jesus Christ.
Things are happening, folks.
Things are happening at an increasingly rapid pace.
It's really alarming.
Yeah, so this was one of those like, I'm remembering it now.
It was one of those just fake memes that somebody made and then it spread like wildfire, you know, because these people are like desperate to kill protesters.
And everybody else on the left was like, huh?
And then it didn't happen because Antifa checked out.
Chickened out.
It was, um, like, RCP was gonna have, like, a day of action where, you know, maybe they've got, like, 200, 300 members.
They were just gonna have, like, little protests in each city.
And they, they, of course, they, like, advertised it as if it was gonna be a revolution.
And then, like, the right-wing, uh, morons ran with it and said, like, they're gonna, you know, this is gonna be their violent day of revolution.
And then Craig T. Nelson was making fun of them saying like, oh these people think that Antifa super soldiers are going to behead white people in town squares.
And then the conservative media was like, oh yeah we do think that.
We think that and we're going to report it straight face.
And it was on Fox News.
Well, it would have happened, but the conservative media blew our cover.
Yeah, it was mind-blowing.
We couldn't do it after that.
But let's see, what posts do we have from that?
Was this posted again or is this comment from last year in the Taking Our America Back group?
This was I had totally forgotten about the old Antifa super soldier like event that happened last year.
This was just a repurposed, you know, somebody recycled that and posted it again.
OK, the rubes ate it up.
Never forget.
And one of the rubes.
We have to post the picture in the in the podcast description.
This guy, Herman Cotton, who is wearing.
What even is it?
It's like an Eminem NASCAR jacket.
Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
It's got all the ads on it and everything.
He's standing in front of a Civil War era cannon with one finger up in the ISIS style of, like, there's only one God, Allah.
And he is really mad that Antifa is going to come to behead him.
And he says, if they come my way, they will gain weight with lead, H.
I love that.
I was reading that out loud in front of a friend and they were just like, what the fuck did you just say?
I was like, yeah, wait, what are you reading?
I was just so shocked by it because I just read it out loud out of nowhere.
Yeah, that's an amazing threat.
I get it.
You will gain weight with lead.
You know, sometimes you're excited.
You don't always have time to pause and think about what you're going to say before you say it.
We've all been there.
I mean, that's a great own for a certain situation, like maybe if you're going to attack a Weight Watchers or something.
But I don't see how it connects to the Antifa super soldiers.
Yeah, it's weird.
So he obviously wants to, like, kill protesters, which is a very big theme of our show.
And yeah, it is a very weird, like, threat.
You will gain weight with lead, not with delicious treats.
Like, I'm not going to feed you pastries and fatty foods.
I'm going to shoot you with bullets and the bullets are going to stay lodged in your body and you'll gain weight.
Oh, my God.
You guys are just being haters.
Like, if this was like a rapper saying this, it'd be bars.
But just because it's some guy No, I like it.
white dude on the internet it's like it's not okay no i like it's tom mcdonald oh my god i just saw the image i just found it in the email because i'm slow it's priceless and we could always uh comment back and say well you're gonna lose weight your head oh yeah owned yeah owned i Can I read the next one?
The next one's pretty good from a different guy.
Are we like not saying their names?
Are we like?
Try not to dox people.
Alright, Drew Hensley says, and I quote, should I describe what he looks like?
He just looks like a grandpa.
He looks like someone's grandpa.
He looks like a kindly elderly peepaw who would like give you a Werther's Original or something and pick you up from school and take you for ice cream.
He says, You don't have a million of anything, you juvenile delinquents from hell.
The world will be filled with devices of grave seriousness.
And what?
And the first sign of trouble, everyone wearing a mask gets their meeting with God.
Jesus Christ.
And if a child is harmed, hell won't protect you.
Just deranged.
Damn, Grandpa.
Kill Antifa for the children.
It's like really good that whatever that group was didn't plan their day of revolution on Halloween.
It's like everyone with a mask is apparently going to be killed by Drew Hensley.
Part of what like I keep listening to your podcast is it really does fill me with dread that someone's gonna shoot up a protest one day.
Oh and it's gonna be someone's kindly old grandpa too who like unbeknownst to anyone spends all day like reading QAnon theories.
I mean, obviously, like the physical violence would be awful, but they're what would be, you know, almost as bad as like the almost universal celebration by people on the right that somebody finally did it.
Yeah.
I love this.
The world will be filled with devices of grave seriousness.
At the first sign of trouble, everyone wearing a mask gets their meeting with God.
So grave seriousness.
It's a great phrase.
It's redundant, but I still love it.
But is he talking about, like, planting Antifa-seeking landmines around the country?
I thought he was talking about guns, but devices is a weird term for a gun.
I think of, like, a chastity belt when I hear device.
Maybe that's just me.
I'm not sure how that works with Antifa.
Maybe he's gonna keep them from making more Antifas?
Yeah, well, we all know like Antifa are like sexless virgin nerds in their mom's basement.
So I don't know.
That's not a very good threat.
You know, it's not a very good tactic.
Seems redundant.
He's just talking about those like anti-theft caps they put over liquor so we can't make Molotov cocktails.
That's really all it is.
That makes more sense.
Yeah.
And if a child is harmed, hell won't protect you.
So he's already gonna kill you.
But if a child is also harmed, then like even even the devil won't protect you.
He's gonna go down to hell and kill you again.
Devil's gonna be like, dude, I can't fuck with this guy.
He's got devices everywhere.
He's too strong.
That would be tight.
I I there is such an open market for like evangelical horror movies.
Um, the only one I can really think of, and please, like, write to MinionDeathCult at gmail.com if you have any more, but the only one that I can think of is, uh, the movie, uh, shoot, Frailty, with Matthew McConaughey.
Uh, it's a great, like, 90s horror movie with a religious theme to it.
And, I don't know, I would just love, like, a reverse Drive Angry.
Where, uh, instead of, like, coming out of hell to avenge his daughter, Nick Cage goes into hell to, like, further kill the guy.
To kill him harder?
Yeah.
I just love that.
So, we, as having the name Antifada, are often targeted by these same people on Twitter and on conservative blogs.
Was it this year that Jamie got an InfoWars post about you?
Oh yeah, I thought you were gonna say, was it this year that you got threatened by the MAGA bomber?
Because no, that was about a year ago, actually.
Uh-huh.
Old news.
Yeah, well, because people, people try to tag Antifa, and then Antifada comes up, so they end up tagging us in their unhinged rants.
And they don't realize that the Intifada part is, like, way worse than the Antifa part.
They just totally forgot about what the Intifada- like, they should be way angrier at us than they are, but they just aren't smart enough.
That's my favorite thing, when it's like, you should be way more pissed.
Like, you should- if you actually paid attention, you'd be way more furious than you are right now.
Yeah.
We recently covered a cop rapper on Minion Death Cult.
Yeah.
And he only listened to like the first, he actually heard it somehow.
And he only listened to like the first five minutes where I made fun of his hairline and then did a Facebook post about it.
And it's good because if he had listened to the rest of that episode, we would probably have the FBI knocking down our doors.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, you guys got really mad at the end.
Definitely listen to that episode.
So Jamie, do you want to remind us why the the ire of Paul Joseph Watson was turned in your direction?
Oh, yeah.
So I feel like this is around the time of another, I mean, it could have been any number of shootings with clear white supremacist underpinnings.
And I chose this moment to try to make a statement on Twitter.
And I sort of repeated A poetic turn of phrase that our guest Jay Firestone had come up with to describe what's going on in the world and sort of the final showdown between fascism on the one hand and communism on the other.
And so I tweeted, I said, We are in a war between those who choose to be human and those who choose to be white.
In order to effectively stamp out fascism, we must take on all hierarchies at once.
White supremacy cannot be disentangled from patriarchy and class oppression.
Liberalism is not the answer.
I think that last part kind of threw these people for a loop a bit because they think that we're all liberals.
Well, if anything throws them for a loop, they just ignore it.
That's true.
That's basically what they did.
But yeah, that's a quote from Jay Firestone's Commune article about infiltrating the alt-right.
And I think what he meant by that was he is critical of the conception of whiteness as he's critical of the conception of all race.
He doesn't believe in race.
He thinks that they're reified and mythologized social constructs, and he sees the white identity as a specifically dangerous and pernicious kind of racial identity.
But on an even more basic level, are you going to fight for all of humanity, or are you going to fight for only white people?
Right.
Yeah, he's just saying, like, by choosing to be white doesn't mean, like, you, like, switch races or something.
It's identifying as white above all else is what he's talking about.
So but no one wanted to think about it too hard.
They just wanted to be very mad at you.
Mm hmm.
So one of the comments here, I'll go to the some of the comments to Prison Paul's tweet about it.
OK, this was I didn't even realize Prison Paul wrote this blog post.
Holy shit.
I think Tomlinson, this comic book guy, it was originally from some comic book alt-right blog and then Prison Paul brought it to InfoWars.
So JJ25485995 says, White Americans are no longer citizens because they are afraid to protest, afraid of media, shaming, violence, government slash social media name-taking, intimidation, etc.
Man, what?
I want to live in this world.
I want to go there.
It sounds beautiful.
I don't understand, like, how people can really feel that way.
Hey, it's okay to be white, said our favorite band.
Henry Rollins, right?
No?
He said that?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that was like one of his bad takes, I think.
It is not okay to be white.
Fact check.
Should we read the next one?
I just wanted to go back to the days where we could vote with the curtains open.
That's what I want to call it.
Right?
Um, let's see.
Here's, okay, here's another one.
This comes from, uh, at Alpha Methyl.
And they said, Well, it's just a drug-addled liberal who spends her time watching Faces of Death and such.
Anyone who actually enjoys watching people die or pictures of dead people is bound to be a liberal after all.
It's comical that she's insinuating that anyone else isn't human.
Ooh, burn.
They really owned me.
They continue.
I take it that study that found liberals have a reaction in the pleasure center of their brain when they see corpses, dead babies, maggots, rotting meat, and extreme violence was true.
Because a lot of them have similar sets of interests and penchants for lying and genocide, both equally bad, you know.
Leave it to a modern liberal to think that all degeneracy is normal.
Hint for liberals, it wasn't before you guys came along.
Lots of stuff going on there.
I mean, everything else aside, I am not a fucking liberal.
Yeah, get that out of your face.
That's maybe the most offensive part of that tweet.
It is the most offensive part.
Yeah, so, like, somebody hooked up a lib to, like, electrodes and showed them photos of dead bodies.
Yeah, they got a boner.
This wasn't the only person who said something about how you like Faces of Death.
Like, do you know what that comes from?
Info Wars, almost definitely.
I've never tweeted about Faces of Death.
Have you ever seen Faces of Death?
Have I?
Oh yeah, maybe I watched it one time at a bar.
I was half paying attention to it, so yes.
At a bar?
Yeah, they were showing it at, I want to say Bodega in Bushwick.
And I can say that, I'm not doxing myself because I don't hang out there very much, but I was like, what's this fucked up shit?
And they're like, oh, it's Faces of Death.
I was like, cool.
That's gnarly.
That must be what they're talking about.
Maybe Alpha Methyl's onto something, Jesus.
Maybe they were right about me.
But yeah, I watched Info Wars this week for the first time in a while, and it's like really reached a new level of derangement.
First of all, there's only these like very short segments of like five to seven minutes between like ten minutes of vitamin ads.
Oh yeah.
And their messaging now, they're not even doing conspiracy theories anymore.
Their messaging now is just there are like the demons are coming after us and they're trying to tell us that Trump is bad and you can't listen to them because those are demons and this and like they'll have uh what you know just like these deeply unsettling cartoons with like Hillary vomiting shit and uh like stuff appropriated from South Park and like
It's gotten very, very dark, and I think the people who are watching it are probably just mentally ill.
Like, that's the only people who can probably stomach it anymore.
I don't know.
Have you seen it recently?
No, I haven't seen it in, like, a long time, but I mean, like, when end times are coming, we have to reprioritize, so they're just pushing what's really important right now.
You know, as far as there's concern that there is like a deadline for this.
So they have to get all this really important information out there.
Like watch out for these shit vomitors, which I think is an important thing to say about people like Hillary Clinton.
When I was watching it, they're talking about people stealing MAGA hats at that Minneapolis rally and burning the hats and they're like, yeah, oh yeah, they did that because fire is a portal between hell and earth.
And so they were burning the hats as a way to invite demons into the world.
So it's, it's, it's like they're breaking, they used to be like 9-11 truth or shit.
Now they're just like trying to program your brain to be schizophrenic basically.
I think in the modern media environment, they have serious competition now.
They used to be more marginalized in Infowars and everything, but they were still pretty popular.
But now there's the rise of the QAnon conspiracy, which is actually directly adversarial to Alex Jones.
The QAnon conspiracy labeled Alex Jones as disinformation from the CIA.
You have to compete with, like, the real Epstein shit that's going on, you know?
So, yeah, I think they've just heightened it to compete in the marketplace of ideas.
That's interesting, because I thought Alex Jones had gotten a little more normie in recent times, and he was basically just a propaganda mouthpiece for the Republican Party, as controlled by Trump.
Like, am I wrong about that?
I think you might be underestimating what's normie now.
Because, like, in all these, you know, normie right-wing Facebook groups for, like, Tucker Carlson or just, like, MAGA taking our America back or whatever, like, they legit think Democrats are demons.
Yeah.
Fair point.
Like, we talked about this when we were doing a little media crit about the New York Times opinion page.
And we were saying, like, if they were really going to represent the mainstream, the average Republican's views, it would just be like unprintable racism and conspiracy theories.
So, like, of course, they're not going to do that.
But maybe they should.
They're pretty smart.
They use, like, you know, different words.
So they wouldn't say Democrat.
They would just say You know, demon rat.
And I'm like, so they... Nobody knows what that means.
They can still print it.
They can still print it.
All right.
Well, I'll convey it to the public editor.
Good looks.
Good looks.
Shall I read one more of these comments from this story before we move on?
I have... I don't know if we have time for it.
It's really quickly.
I discovered this Reddit, this subreddit, which is called MenConf.
I sent it to Jamie, but I don't think I sent it to the rest.
But the purpose of this r slash men conf, and I'm reading here, has 48,000 members.
In the post you're about to make, replace cis slash white slash hetero slash male people with the Jews.
And if the result sounds like something that could be right out of Mein Kampf, you should probably reconsider your social justice blogging habits.
So this is like a subreddit devoted to trying to, like, prove anti-male bigotry or to prove, like, anti-white racism by just subbing in white for black or, you know, Jew for men.
Oh, God, I just figured out what this was and it's alarming.
So somebody had submitted Jamie's tweet into this group.
And they've fulfilled the obligation of the subreddit by replacing words, and so I'll read you what they posted.
Oh, and they scratched out my face with red, violently, and my name, but they left the blue checkmark intact.
It's important.
It's very important that you're verified for them.
Verified smudge.
We are in a war between those who choose to be Aryan and those who choose to be Jewish.
In order to effectively stamp out Jews, we must take on all hierarchies at once.
Jewish supremacy cannot be disentangled from patriarchy and class oppression.
Antisemitism is the answer.
Oh, wow.
I never thought about it like that before.
And it's so funny because they left in like the obviously egalitarian and horizontalist message of your tweet, but still tried to imply that it was like, you know, about repressing something else.
You gotta watch out for that left antisemitism, man.
Yeah, yeah.
And they also, this part is really interesting because they substituted liberalism is not the answer with antisemitism is the answer.
Oh, okay.
So, like, anti-Semitism is the same thing as liberalism.
They had to get a little creative on that one.
Wow, my tweet's got legs, huh?
I didn't even realize.
I'm famous.
We want to do this Wi-Fi one because it's funny.
Yeah, I guess we got one more on our end.
Maybe you have some more.
Where did you find this?
Um, it's been going around the leftist Facebook pages because somebody found it and thought it was funny.
Okay, but you think it's real?
I think so.
Okay.
I hope so.
I want to believe.
Okay, read it for us.
I want to believe.
Okay, so this is a Facebook post from a guy named Leroy from Creston Kenilworth.
I don't know where that is.
The headline is, upset with my neighbor's Wi-Fi name.
He looks like Mitch McConnell from his profile pic.
He says hi all now we all use devices to connect to the internet and whatnot and my grandkids come over and use their phones and iPads too.
Well the other day my grandson went to connect to the Wi-Fi and our neighbor's router name is all cops are buttholes.
Now my wife and I are very upset because he started crying and we had to explain to him oh boohoo cops.
Indeed, all cops are not buttholes, etc., and it's just generally a rude thing to broadcast.
Is there any way I could possibly block this signal or possibly call the non-emergency police and have them go over and give them a stern warning?
I bet they wouldn't like to hear about a network named All Cops Are Buttholes.
Any ideas, guys?
What a fucking narc.
Yeah, first idea is don't let your kids use those dang tablets.
Yeah, that's where you went wrong.
Give them a book.
I mean, that's incredible.
Just the idea that it's a grandpa.
Okay, the idea that this kid has already been so inculcated with like, just this like, servile, bootlicking, Blue Lives Matter, respect the police shit, that all cops are buttholes would make him cry.
Like in a just world, he would be taken away from his parents.
Yeah, just because he's so scared of the word butthole.
Maybe he, like, literally thought that cops were just, like, buttholes walking around in human skin suits, you know?
Kids can be pretty literal.
When I was a kid, we had a neighbor named Richard, whose nickname was Dick.
And, uh, I used to feel such shame that I would picture him in my head as a giant penis.
Like, it was, like, one of those, uh, intrusive thoughts, you know?
Like, I was genuinely, like, uh...
Upset that this is how I thought about this man named Dick.
Typical liberal degeneracy.
Seriously.
I do want to say, so yesterday was Fall Fest at my kid's school.
And I got to, I had to like, I got to, I got to work one of the booths, you know, where they play games like that and they're all in costumes.
And there was only like one cop kid.
And like it did, it did kind of feel like all the kids hated him.
So.
That was kind of nice, especially considering that she does go to a very, uh, I'll say homogenous school.
Um, and so, yeah, it was, it was actually kind of nice to like the one kid who was like, who dressed up as like a cop, it kind of just seemed like everyone just didn't really care for him.
And like every, everybody else was like, um, You're supposed to give tickets and stuff like that, and they're supposed to pay for the game, but the game I was doing was like, you just pull a sucker out of a tree, and if the bottom has a color on it, you win.
So pretty much everyone won, but that little fucker didn't win.
Were they weed lollipops, though?
Only the ones that had the green on the bottom, yeah.
Those ones were weed lollipops.
Yeah, they should know, because it's green.
Yeah, like, everybody got a punch, you know?
Everyone, like, everyone, like, because they got a punch card if they win.
Everyone got a punch.
I didn't really care.
I would even, like, color it in for them if they, you know, if they lost.
Except for that little shit.
He didn't get one, so ha.
Ha ha, Nelson Boyce.
I like to pick on children if they're dressed up like cops.
They gotta learn sometime.
It's best to start when they're young, you know?
So do we have any more posts, or is that going to be a wrap for this special Mischief Night episode of The Antifada?
Um, we had that Joker thing.
I got a couple tweets from that, but I don't know if we have time to cover that.
Very topical.
Yeah, if you want to do it, let's do it.
Yeah, I don't have the original Tim Pool tweet, but it was something like, oh, I just saw the new Joker fam and his supporters are all Antifa.
What the fuck?
And it was basically right, I guess.
I thought that his supporters were all incels.
Right dudes, no?
Well, that's why he was so surprised to see the truth on the screen, I think.
Because he had thought that himself.
And Joey Pissdrinkers Saladino for Congress replied, media outrage in 3, 2, 1.
And this struck me as funny because he's thinking that the media would be outraged that Antifa would be portrayed as the bad guys.
In this movie?
I haven't seen the movie but aren't his isn't like Joker's movement supposed to be sympathetic to the audience?
Uh it's a bit of a gray area.
Yeah you should see it though it's it's a lot more interesting see the problem is like Yeah, the really dumb takes about it being a pro-incel movie before anyone saw it was really bad.
And then the takes about it actually being, like, about the resistance or about Antifa or, you know, like, left populism are also really bad.
The movie is, like, purposefully doing a lot of interesting things politically.
And, you know, Tim Pool and his reply guys and his anti-reply guys are probably not the best critics of The Joker.
Yeah.
I didn't read them as Antifa in the movie.
It's interesting.
Well, one of them had a sign that was like, resist, and Wayne is a fascist, and they wanted to kill rich people.
So, closer to Antifa than anything else, I think.
Sure.
Because the Nazis want you to kill poor people.
That's true.
Yeah.
You only fight fascism with communism.
It's what we're always saying.
So Joey Salads is saying like the media would be offended because the media is Antifa and they don't want to see themselves represented in a negative light.
Oh, I see.
Right.
Because they think that liberals and leftists are the same.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's it's I don't know, it's just like a bizarre galaxy brain mind melting take when, yeah, the media might be offended because there's like if this take was accurate, Tim Pool's take, you know, then the Supporters of Joker would be waging class war against the media, basically.
Against at least the people in the media.
So they still would be upset, just for a very different reason.
I saw a great Joey Salads tweet recently.
Obviously everybody always responds to him with the picture of him peeing in his mouth for some reason.
And he responded, I'd rather drink pee than soy.
Ooh, he got you.
Why would you say that?
Why would you rather drink pee than soy?
Because soy is for cucks, Andy, remember?
But at least it's a drink.
Like, pee isn't a drink.
Well, pee doesn't make you grow tits, alright?
But like, pee tastes terrible on cereal, and we all know this.
We've all watched the Gavin McInnes video where he pisses in his cereal and eats it.
Oh, did Gavin do that?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
These people just they they just love the punishment.
They're little piggies for for shame, but they they don't understand that we're laughing at them.
We're not laughing at them.
I think it's like a mark of a guy, a mark of our current days.
The guy who, uh, there's photographs of him standing on a street corner wearing a Nazi armband, there's video of him drinking his own piss, and he still somehow thinks he can have a successful, uh, is this a congressman?
Is this, is that what he's running for?
I think he might be running for Congress in Staten Island, and Staten Island has a chair of, like, cranks who run for Congress, but, uh... Wow.
You know, he's, he's a special one.
Do we know how he's doing in the polls at all?
Nah, I mean, he could probably be running for next year.
This is the first I've heard of this, and I think it's hilarious.
I can't wait to see him crash and burn.
We should have him on.
Yeah, right.
Invite him on for a free exchange of ideas.
And then just have some piss for him to drink when he gets here.
Oh, definitely.
Another reply to this was, um, virtual realms says, wait a minute.
Does that mean, is it true?
And then they've included a, like a doctored photo of a Batman with Trump hair on it.
Wow.
Wow.
That's amazing.
Bruce Trump over here.
And then somebody replied to that saying he's a billionaire fighting the moronic communists.
Oh, no.
Recall Hillary Clinton was defeated and she most certainly is a modern villain.
Nadler looks like the penguin.
Beta the Irish fake Mexican thinks he's the Riddler or something.
So, yeah, sorry, bro.
Well, that Bebeto part's funny.
This is one kind of trope on Minion Death Cult is people who have just embraced the idea that all of this political stuff is just a movie that they're watching, and they just love watching it play out.
That's the postmodern era for you.
And it's like, I don't know, it's kind of the inverse of leftist nerds who are very immersed in theory and, you know, compare anything and everything to like Foucault or Gramsci or whatever.
They compare anything and everything to like, you know, the media they consume, but also they have like a weird in-depth knowledge of liberal politicians.
Like this reference to Jerry Nadler really took me by surprise.
I had to really think about who that was for a second.
You know, Nadler would be the Penguin for sure, says Mr. Miller.
Well, we have a reality show host in the Oval Office right now, to be fair.
Like, the way that he conducts the business of the presidency, it's like a reality show.
I mean, I'm not the first person to make this observation, but just like two things come to mind from this past week.
I mean, the way that he talked about the Kurds in Turkey was kind of like, Oh, you've been great, Kurtz, but you will not be advancing to the next round.
Bye bye.
Yeah, that was rough.
And yeah, it's it's horrible.
But like, it's so horrible.
It's kind of funny.
And another thing that comes to mind is like how he ambushed that family from England with the woman who killed their daughter, was it?
And like, you know, you just know he thought he was doing an episode of like Jerry Springer or something.
Like, what would you say if I told you the woman who killed your daughter is on set right now?
It's amazing, folks.
And like, just see what happens.
Like, that's how he experiences the world.
So like, why would people not feel like they're just watching a movie or TV show?
Well, we were talking about this because of like, actually, it kind of came up because of Hillary's response to things right now with her whole like, Oh, I can totally beat him again type mentality where it's like, what world are you living in?
And they're living in a world where all of these policies, all the things that are happening don't directly affect them.
So they do get to live in this like fantasy, like, you know, fantasy world where it's like they get to just observe it like it is entertainment because they're not being directed, you know, affected directly by it.
Yeah, the difference to them is like, oh, the economy is doing much better for me.
So I have the freedom to just fire all of my staff on a whim, as opposed to like one or two people.
Yeah.
Was I going to say?
Yeah.
I mean, to be fair, like it's not just I don't know.
Gross reality TV that he's mimicking he's also with with that specific like event where he was trying to reunite The parents the grieving parents with the killer of their child I mean that shit that like, you know, the liberal media puts in front of our faces every day, you know, oh The brother of the man who was killed in his own home hugs Amber Geyer, you know, isn't this heartwarming?
Yeah Oh God, I'm also thinking about the stories they present as heartwarming that are actually horrifying.
Where like a little girl, I wrote about this in The Guardian, like a little girl had a lemonade stand to like try to help pay for her mother's kidney transplant that she needed to live.
Like, oh, it's such a heartwarming story.
Like, no, it's a story about how fucked up American capitalism is when you have to sell lemonades so your mom doesn't die.
Yeah.
I mean, that's how, like, what's the word?
That's how, like, dexterous or nimble liberalism is, is it can take some of the worst aspects of its own policies and, like, repackage them as hopeful, heartwarming stories.
Like, I'm waiting for someone's campaign to be like, we're just going to give every community a helpful Honda guy.
A what?
Who's the helpful Honda guy?
Helpful Honda guy.
The commercials where it's like a Honda guy.
And they're like, oh, I heard lawn for you.
Yeah.
Like, oh, I heard you didn't want to mow your lawn.
I'll mow your lawn and give you like this lawnmower or like, hey, I heard about your student debt.
Well, here's a gift certificate to Costco.
You know, it's like it's stuff like that or in like, but just give the community that's where like every like third kid who needs a wheelchair will get it and it'll be really nice.
The other ones attached to it, a presentation.
That's the Pete Buttigieg plan, I think.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Not too far off, honestly.
A chicken in every third pot.
Yeah.
So thanks so much for coming on.
I believe you're going to be on tour soon with our friends in Street Fight.
Do you want to talk a little bit about that?
Yes.
So we're going on tour with Street Fight on the West Coast coming up in like the second week of November.
I'm pulling up the dates here.
It is November 9th through November 18th.
We'll be hitting Seattle, Portland, Oakland, L.A.
and San Diego.
We're super excited about that.
Street Fight puts on a Great live show.
And we saw them last year, met them for the first time, and now we're going on tour with them.
And it's, it's beautiful.
We're thrilled.
We love those guys so much.
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be awesome.
We're so stoked to just like, do the tour, hang out with those dudes, get out and like, you know, meet meet people who listen and you know, get really get to actually like, you know, hang out with the community.
It's real exciting.
Yeah, and you can listen to the podcast Minion Death Cult wherever you get podcasts or at MinionDeathCult.com.
Hell yeah.
Oh, that just made me realize we totally forgot to talk about our own live show.
Whoops.
Yeah, that was three weeks ago now.
Thanks for coming, everyone.
It's really cool to see you.
We can plug our show in Seattle.
That's like a while from now.
Yeah, well, but we might as well.
We're gonna be in Seattle, I think on May 7th at Town Hall for Red May.
