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Dec. 14, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Steve Kirsch and Mike Adams discuss convincing data...
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Welcome, everybody, to this interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and I'm joined today by Steve Kirsch and his Substack, which is very widely read and shared, is stevekirsch.substack.com.
He's also stkirsch, K-I-R-S-C-H. That's his handle on X or Twitter.
I think that Steve Kirsch has done some of the very best analysis and advocacy of truth-telling about the risks and the statistics associated with post-vaccine side effects and deaths of anybody in the world.
And it's astonishing to me that Kirsch's conclusions aren't mainstream yet in mainstream media, but we're going to ask him why he thinks that is.
Welcome to the show, Mr.
Kirsch.
It's an honor to have you on today.
Thanks, Mike.
Thanks for inviting me.
It's a pleasure to be here.
Well, it's long overdue.
I should have had you on earlier, but I've been watching and reading your work for quite some time, and it's very compelling.
And it's crazy that no one will debate you, number one.
You want to talk about that for a second?
You've challenged many people, and no one will debate you.
Yeah, and they don't want to look at the evidence either.
I was on a space last night on AXA, and there were all these doctors that have been challenging me and taking pot shots at me.
And, you know, I think I was on there for like seven hours and trying to explain it.
Wow.
There was one guy towards the very end who got it.
He said, yeah, he's right.
The slope has to go down.
And I said, bingo!
You understand what I'm saying.
You're the first guy in this room who understands what I'm saying.
And the other people are focused on personal attacks, ad hominem attacks, insults.
You don't know what you're doing.
You don't know how to analyze data.
They're telling me all this shit, but They're never telling me, here's my analysis of your data showing the correct way to do it, and here's what it shows, and how do you respond to that?
So nobody ever takes my data and turns it around and says, yeah, but if you subtract out this, then you're going to get a completely different effect.
And some people will say, well, according to my analysis, the vaccines are...
Are lowering your all-cause mortality.
And you see, vaccines never do that.
So you have a little bit of a credibility problem there because vaccines are only supposed to reduce your chance of dying from the particular event.
So they never lower baseline all-cause mortality.
What they could do is, if they weren't, They would prevent an increase in all-cause mortality.
Now, we don't see that here.
So even if you believe, if you think that all this data shows that the vaccines aren't killing anyone, there is absolutely no doubt That the vaccines are not preventing any deaths.
So they lose either way and they seem more intent on personal attacks or whatever.
And then there's some people who actually refuse to look at the data and they say, oh, well, you received stolen property and therefore it's illegal for me to look at this data, even though the rest of the public can look at it I don't want to look at it.
So I will say that your analysis is flawed and you don't know what you're doing, even though I haven't looked at your data.
So there's all kinds of mental gymnastics they're jumping through to try to avoid looking at the numbers.
Yeah.
Yeah, all I've been saying is, hey, look, if I'm wrong, just explain to me why the slope is going up, because the slope is supposed to go down.
I know the law of gravity here.
The law of gravity, effectively, for people who do what I do, the law of gravity says that if you got a bunch of people, like let's say you have a million people, and 5% of them will die a year, The law of gravity says that if you start with a million people and you've identified the million people, that fewer and fewer and fewer people die every day to get to the end.
Now, that could vary if there's something that's going on in the background.
Maybe there's going to be an event that increases the number of people that die in a day.
And then there'll maybe be this pull-forward effect that then decreases the number.
But on average, it goes down in a straight line.
You know, with these perturbations, that's the way it works.
And so it always works.
And that's kind of the law of gravity.
It's called the law of death.
The number of people who die is proportional to the number of people who are available to die.
Right, right.
Very fundamental.
Right.
Well, it seems to me that if you take the same data that you are looking at and were to replace the word vaccine with, let's say, Ford Pinto and Yeah.
if they thought it were data about cars, they would say, oh, yeah, clearly this is causing mortality.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, and actually some people have suggested that I sort of depersonalize it that way and give it to college students to analyze and tell them that it's a soft drink or something.
Exactly.
And then, you know, say whether the soft drink was safe and effective for people.
And then you get an honest answer and then you can say, ha, just kidding.
Actually, I think that's a valid experiment, because data analysts should not, of course, introduce their own bias of what the data are referring to.
Absolutely.
Now, what do you think, in all of the analyses that you've completed so far, and all the writing you've done, what do you think is the most compelling...
Evidence now for a regular person, not a data scientist, what's the most compelling evidence that they could see right now that shows a correlation or causation between these vaccines and mortality?
Yeah, you know, it's hard to give a single thing for an individual because I don't know whether that individual is like highly trained in statistics or it's just an average American.
So, you know, let's assume it's just your, you know, your friend and you're trying to convince them.
You know, there's some things you can do, which is to appeal to their sort of sense of, you know, common sense that If the vaccines really worked and were really saving people's lives, then why are they hiding the data that would prove that?
And so, you know, it's critical thinking skills.
And so because they're trying to reduce vaccine hesitancy because there are people like me who are spreading, who they accuse of spreading misinformation, and they never challenge us, first of all.
So that's a huge red flag that everybody on our side is saying, hey, let's have a debate.
Let's have a challenge.
Let's do it recorded one-on-one.
Let's talk through the data.
Let's stop with the ad hominem attacks.
And let's stop with the character assassinations and the appeal to authority and all this stuff, and let's just focus on the data.
We're calling for that.
They're not.
We are calling for data transparency.
We want the data to be made public.
The other side doesn't.
You know, so just those things alone.
And then the calling for the censorship.
Absolutely.
It's like when the White House says that these people should be censored, every time you have somebody calling for censorship, they're always on the wrong side of the issue.
No exceptions in history.
And people still can't figure this out.
So those are sort of tip-offs.
You don't have to be very sophisticated to figure that out.
Now, if you want to go to the next level of detail, I could show you the plots of you take a fixed cohort.
You say, here are people who got dose number one, or here's people who got dose number two, or here's people who got dose number three.
And I will show you that the deaths per day after they got the shot go up instead of down.
It doesn't slope down.
It's supposed to slope down.
That's the law of gravity.
And when you define the law of gravity, it means you have a killing machine.
And when that slope is then tied to the time of an intervention, and it's correlated with that because then if you take something that's at random times and you don't see that line going up, you know, oh, wow, you only see that line going up when you look at it relative to this particular time.
A point in time where an event happened that might have been causing it.
And so when you see the correlation happens with the event that's causing it, and when you look at other vaccines, for example, that are given maybe over the same year, over a given period of time, and there's no signal there, then you have to say that, hmm, interesting, we see this huge signal when we tune to the Days since dose given.
And when we sort of tune our radio to another channel, we just hear static.
Right?
Instead of the strong signal.
And so there are all sorts of things that people can look at.
And I think, to me, the most stunning was when I compared the pneumococcal vaccine to the COVID vaccine in the same year.
So given in the same year.
And that was a stunning curve because one curve goes up and the other curve goes down.
And, you know, there's like, it's a straight line.
One's a straight line down, and the other one's like a straight line up, you know, or upwards.
And they couldn't be more different.
And they're in exactly the same year, and they're given around the same time of year to the same population.
So, hard to explain, you know?
The only thing that varied, the only thing that was different was the vaccine.
Why did one slope up and the other one slope down?
Well, right.
I'm not supposed to work that way.
And yet, you know, we hear corporate media making all kinds of excuses for the excess deaths in 2021 and 22 and so on and saying, well, it was people committing suicide or it was people not being fit because they didn't go to the gym because of lockdowns and they all died because they couldn't go work out or whatever.
But if you look closely at these excuses, they don't make any sense.
They don't add up.
I haven't seen any compelling rebuttal.
Yeah.
Well, they certainly don't explain why, okay, you get the pneumococcal vaccine, the slope goes down, and you get the COVID vaccine, the slope goes up, and it's in the same cohort, and it's the same period of time.
How do you explain that?
Exactly.
Exactly.
That's the problem.
So then let's talk about the attempts by what I'm going to call the mainstream scientific community, or maybe they're, I can't even call them scientific at this point, but mainstream science industry.
They've really gone overboard to try to shut down your message and to try to, you know, attack you personally or censor you as you already spoke about.
But why isn't, you know, you and I were both taught, I believe, that science is a self-correcting system.
Science is open to evidence that's contradictory.
And the contradictory evidence will be dismissed by rationality and logic and data.
And yet, none of those things are happening here at all.
No.
And, you know, Mike, we have the same problem with autism.
Just as an example, I'm picking autism because autism is a huge, huge problem.
And it's getting worse and worse every day.
And the thing is that it's been known what the cause of all of these autism cases are.
For 25 years at least.
25 years!
We've known it!
And the CDC actually did a study of vaccines and autism and they found that, oh shit, there was a signal.
So they notified the researcher that on the project to destroy all the data that links vaccines and autism so that the paper would come out and said there's no link because they didn't want to embarrass themselves So this guy is named William Thompson.
He used to work at the CDC. I think he still does.
He's not returning my phone calls anymore.
I covered William Thompson.
He was a whistleblower.
He had a law firm.
He basically covered it up for, what, like 10 years, right?
It was like 10 years.
He didn't say anything.
Yeah, and then he went public with it, and then they silenced him.
Yeah, and they silenced him.
And they made him sign a statement saying, well, you know, and it's like, there's no way!
The data he destroyed, he was told to destroy just the data that was incriminating for the vaccine.
I mean...
This is black and white stuff.
And he's not allowed to testify in Congress about it.
And to this day, the American public is being told, they're being gaslit, saying, vaccines don't cause autism.
Bullshit!
I will bet anybody $10 million in the world you think vaccines don't cause autism?
No possible way.
And the easiest way, you know, for autism, it's super easy.
You say, hey, how many kids do you know or have you heard of that got autism, that turned autistic, you know, like overnight?
Within, say, seven days of a shot or 24 hours of a vaccine shot, what's the number?
And they'll say, oh, well, I know two, three, four, five, six, seven, whatever.
It depends on who you ask.
But basically, there'll be a very large number.
And then you say, okay, so how many people do you know who got autism like 24 hours right before they were supposed to get a vaccine shot and they just got it then?
And the answer is that person doesn't exist.
So how can all these people exist the day after and nobody can name a single case in the freaking world?
There's no case where somebody turned autistic overnight the day before they were supposed to get vaccinated.
You're exactly right.
Yeah, and it's so obvious, and yet here we are 25 years later, and the medical community says, oh, vaccines don't cause autism.
There's no proof that every study has failed to find the link.
Well, yeah, absolutely.
And, you know, look, back in 2006, I was covering Dr.
Andrew Wakefield at the time, and they destroyed his career and his reputation.
And his research did not even state that vaccines were killing children.
It was simply talking about gastrointestinal side effects related to immunization.
He wasn't an anti-vaxxer at all, but they destroyed his reputation.
But I have to ask you, Given the number of children that are autistic, and I think it's what, 1 in 50 or 1 in 40?
Nowadays, it's like 1.
Officially, they say it's 1 in 30.
I think it's much higher than that.
I've surveyed my friends, and I got like...
It was a huge percentage.
I think it was maybe like one in four of my friends are affected by autism in their household.
Well, I pray to God it's not one in four, but even if it's anywhere in between the numbers I said and what you said, it's a horror show.
But I have to ask you, you must have come to some conclusion about why.
Why would an agency like the FDA But knowingly, or the CDC or NIH or whatever, they know.
The data scientists, they are fully aware of the links between vaccinations and autism.
Why would they continue to cover this up, even maliciously, fraudulently, like the example you gave?
You know, that would be a criminal offense if you were a pharmaceutical company pushing a fraudulent drug onto the market by destroying data.
I mean, that would be, you know, you could be arrested and charged for that.
But the FDA does it.
Why are they willing to do this, in your view?
They're doing it to protect the reputation of the CDC and the FDA. Because if people ever found out That the FDA and the CDC were pushing drugs that have caused this autism epidemic in the world.
People would be furious.
And they wouldn't trust the FDA or the CDC again.
So what they do is they just basically gaslight, they attack, they do a wake field on anybody who tries to speak out.
So you have these top autism researchers who know absolutely That vaccines are causing autism and are the primary reason we have autism.
But they stay silent so that they can keep their grant proposals and maybe try to find a way, a workaround, rather than speaking out and stopping this from happening.
And so...
But, you know, basically they don't want to lose their funding.
And I was warned by a friend of mine who said, look, you know, you can expose them, but they're doing good work.
They're trying to ameliorate the problem by trying to figure out some sort of way to To treat people who become autistic.
And my response is, well, it's way better to prevent the problem in the first place than try to clean up the mess.
It's like Humpty Dumpty.
You can't put Humpty Dumpty together again once he falls off the ledge.
Well, that's right.
I mean, there's neurological scarring, essentially, that takes place in many of these children that can never be healed, although I know some can make tremendous recoveries from it, but some never can.
But with COVID, now with COVID vaccines, this whole issue of the side effects of vaccines and the harm moved out of the realm of just autism and children and let's say some young teenage girls typically being killed by HPV vaccines.
Then it became everybody.
So everybody was a target.
Elderly people were dying.
Young people, athletes dying.
People, middle-aged people were dying.
But as you and I know, Steve, dead people don't talk, right?
Dead people can't say what happened to them.
Many of them don't even know.
They took the vaccine on faith, they died, and then it can be said they died from something else, which is exactly what's happening.
Of course.
How many deaths does it take for the killing to stop?
What do you think?
Well, I think we're way past that point, Mike, because everybody's noticing it.
Everybody is noticing the number of, wow, concert canceled.
Wow, that's never happened before.
Oh, a player drops on the field in the middle of a play in the NFL and they call it commotio quarters.
Wow, that's never happened before.
You know, people are giving speeches and they just fall over dead right in front of all the people.
That's never happened before.
A newscaster just kind of topples over.
I mean, you know, maybe these things have happened before, but they're not happening anywhere close to the frequency that they're happening now.
So Mark Crispin Miller, for example, has a substack And I asked him, I said, how many people have you cataloged where you have these suspicious deaths, where they die suddenly?
He said, this is about 10,000.
And I said, 10,000?
Wow, that's off the charts.
And he says, yeah.
Yeah.
No doubt about it.
What are the best estimates of worldwide deaths or U.S. deaths stemming just from COVID vaccines?
My estimate's over 10 million.
Dennis Rancor has an estimate of 17 million.
So it's in that ballpark.
It's in the 10 million ballpark.
I don't think there's any doubt about that.
There are too many confirmatory estimates that all put it in the range of one per thousand doses on average.
And it could be a factor of two less.
It could be a factor of three less than that.
It could be a factor of two more than that.
But, you know, it's order of magnitude.
That's what we see.
We see this from surveys that are done.
Mark Skidmore did a survey that was done.
The Rasmussen Reports did a survey.
An Ethical Skeptic then did an extrapolation off that survey.
I've done various surveys.
I've looked at the VAERS data.
I've done the under-reporting factor in VAERS to estimate the number of excess deaths killed by the vaccine.
I've done this...
Extensive analysis of this New Zealand data that I was given to broadcast to the world, that came in right at one per thousand doses on average.
And so all these things are just all coming and saying the same thing.
Somewhere on the order of one per thousand doses, Is pretty much what we normally expect for excess deaths for people.
And that's not at all surprising, because if you look at the number of vaccine-injured people, people who got this shot and are vaccine-injured, what would you say it is, Mike?
Would you say it's one per hundred?
Oh, easily, if not more.
Easily.
So how is it such a stretch to believe that if one per hundred or five per hundred are injured by the vaccine?
And we know it's higher than that because we know that 42% of Americans would join a class action lawsuit to sue the COVID vaccine makers.
Right.
42%, this is from a Rasmussen Reports poll, number one of the most accurate pollsters in America, and 42% of Americans want to sue that would join a class action suit for the drug companies.
Okay, that's a lot of injury, Mike.
That's not 1 or 2%.
That's 42% feel that they want to join in class action.
Now, if you've got 42%, is it a stretch to think that 1 out of 1,000 of those people, effectively, that 1 out of 1,000 people compared to 42 out of 100, I mean, that's a tiny fraction of that that died, that had a severe...
It's not at all...
It doesn't stretch any kind of belief out.
And also, if you look at the FRED database, which are these disabilities, and you see this thing, it's just taken off.
It's just going through the roof.
And you look at the insurance claims and so forth.
I mean, this is a disaster disaster.
Well, and it's a disaster that's being accelerated because there's, as you're well aware, a lot of talk of incorporating COVID vaccines into annual flu shots, for example.
And jabs are still being promoted.
And there's a lot of suspicion that, well, there are other odd things floating around out there that may result in a new round of vaccine mandates or lockdowns or restrictions if you're not vaccinated.
So this horror, I mean, we may have only experienced the opening chapter so far.
Yeah.
I hope it doesn't get any better than this, but I haven't been super accurate on my predictions.
I thought when this first happened and I realized, you know, I started having, I had friends who died and I had friends who were injured from this vaccine.
And that's what got me to look at the numbers because I, you know, I said, You know, I've never had so many friends who are injured and died after a vaccine before.
I mean, like, I could count on zero fingers.
There are no people that I know who have been injured by a vaccine before in my life.
And now they're coming out of the woodwork.
I mean, people dying or people who are severely, severely injured after getting the vaccine.
And so I started looking into it and it's like, man, oh man, you cannot believe how bad this thing is.
Yes, yes.
But...
Continuing my question there, since your conclusions have not been widely accepted yet, I hope they will be, because I agree with your conclusions, but since they haven't been, the field is very vulnerable right now where people can be convinced to go to round two or round three or pandemic- Yeah.
I'll tell you the big...
So when this happened, by the way, when my friends started dying, I did the research and I looked at all the VAERS data and it was like everything I would unturn, it's like super damaging.
And I told my wife, I said, honey, I'm going to write an article and in two weeks this will all be over.
That's how naive I was when I started.
I thought that if people knew the truth, that that would end it all.
That you put two and two together and you show people how one plus one equals two.
So now it's like, what causes this thing to end?
The biggest convincer, Mike, that I found is people who are themselves vaccine injured or who Who lost someone to the vaccine.
They saw someone who got the vaccine and that person went downhill right after they got the vaccine or shortly thereafter.
They either lost mental abilities, they got turbo cancers, you know, like weird things started to happen.
And then there's this background noise, this voice on Twitter that's, you know, Telling you about all these celebrities that die unexpectedly and so forth.
And then you start being susceptible to that because you're seeing that happen to you in real life.
And it's when it hits people personally, that's when they start saying, hmm, maybe these guys are right.
Maybe I should stop listening to the authorities because I can see in my own eyes, I can see the cases of DeMar Hamlin and Boy, that's really suspicious.
Commotio Cordis, really, for a football player?
You know, maybe, but really, really unlikely.
And so there are all these unlikely events, and people are starting to put it together.
I know my friends that thought I was a nutcase when I started telling them and warning them about the vaccine are now saying, you know, I'm not getting any more of these vaccines, and my wife isn't either.
So, you know, I'm now starting to hear these, and they're not saying, hey, Steve, you were right, but they're saying, yeah, we're kind of backing off I've had that too.
I've had a lot of people contact me about that.
And I don't see anyone going the other way.
I don't see anyone converting the other way.
No, in fact, one couple I know that were all pro-vaccine, they took all the jabs at first, and then about a year into it, they texted me and said, guess what?
We're not going to take any more vaccines.
And then it was about six months later, they asked me, how do we detox these vaccines?
I'm like, well, guess what?
That's a big question mark right there.
But they're moving along that spectrum.
But I want to ask you about this, actually.
You came out of the tech industry, I believe, correct?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And in the tech industry, if you sat down with a room full of engineers, and if you made your case about a data structure or about statistics, numbers, math, rationality, whatever, you didn't have irrational people disagreeing with you just because it was a religion or something.
I mean, if you made your case, you won.
But you're making your case now in vaccine data, and it's hitting a brick wall.
I mean, I guess you didn't expect that.
Right, because my experience space is with people in business and people who are rational thinkers, and there isn't this huge bureaucracy or machine that you're up against here.
And so you're up against all of these vested interests.
That are promoting this.
You're up against the FDA and the CDC and the Gates Foundation and the mainstream media and Congress.
And all these people have basically bought into the narrative and have been pushing these vaccines.
So they would all have egg on their face if people figured out the vaccines were killing people instead of helping people.
And people don't like to confront that.
I don't have a...
Other than Ron Johnson in Congress, I can't talk to any...
I haven't talked to anybody...
Well, maybe Congressman Bill Posey.
But it's very few and far between the number of members of Congress who are clued into this and who realize what's going on and want to make a difference and want to fight to To do the right thing.
And it's very sad because they could easily say, hey, gosh, I was fooled.
I'm not part of this.
Thank you for letting me know.
And now that I know I'm going to take action.
But these people don't even want to have a conversation about it.
And it's really troubling.
Right.
Yeah, absolutely.
I completely agree with you.
And we only have a few minutes left.
About to ask you for your final thoughts here on this, but we are a FDA-registered food facility, and we have surprise FDA inspections.
And I can tell you that if we produced a product that made two people sick from E. Coli, right.
Or if somebody released a peanut butter lot that was making 10 people sick, you know, the media would be all over it.
The FDA would be all over it.
They would seize the product.
You'd be ordered to quarantine.
You might face lawsuits from peanut butter.
But when it's something injected into you that maybe kills one out of a thousand people, total silence, total silence is...
Yeah, maybe you should switch to making vaccines, Mike.
Yeah, no thanks.
I don't want to be around those spike proteins.
No, thank you.
I'd rather sell quinoa than SARS-CoV-2 derivatives.
You understand what I'm saying.
I know you do.
Absolutely.
The standard is insane.
Complete double standard.
It makes no sense.
We have a vaccine which has probably killed over half a million people in America.
And what do they do?
They're thinking about ways to bring it back, to encourage people to get it, maybe bring back mandates.
And yet, if a baby formula kills one infant, we shut down the plant.
That's right.
It's crazy.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's insane.
All right.
Well, and, you know, along those lines for food, like we do microbiology testing in-house, you know, E. coli, salmonella, all that stuff.
But then you find in the vaccines, people are finding all these DNA and RNA fragment contaminants that is like, did they even test their own product for its purity?
And it seems like the answer is no.
Well, they did test it for the contaminants.
And the thing is that the regulators didn't specify The proper testing methodology.
So they used, I think, some sort of...
They used a technique which It undercounts the level of contamination.
And if you do a different technique, you actually find what's there.
But the thing is that the regulators didn't specify, hey, you have to use the more accurate technique when you look for contaminants.
So they get away with passing the bar.
And the amazing thing is that...
In the Pfizer vaccine, it has this SV40 promoter sequence.
It's not in the Moderna vaccine.
It's only in the Pfizer vaccine.
And this SV40 promoter sequence, when they gave the FDA the documents explaining, hey, here are the things inside the vaccine, they basically erased the This SV40 promoter sequence.
And they gave it to the FDA. And so the FDA knows that they erased it.
And the FDA is doing absolutely nothing to hold these people accountable for that.
It's crazy.
I believe it.
And there's all kinds of shenanigans in the lab testing of products like that, too.
I mean, you know, I run a mass spec lab for heavy metals.
I get documents from food suppliers that say, you know, lead, arsenic, cadmium, not detected, not detected, not detected.
And I'm like, well, you know what not detected means?
It means there's a little knob under the nebulizer that controls the x-axis of the spray.
You turn that about two rotations and you lose three orders of magnitude of sensitivity.
Boom.
Not detected, you know?
It's like, I want to know what you did detect.
I want to know what the numbers are, not what you didn't see.
I get that all the time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But anyway, any final thoughts as we're wrapping this up?
You know, you're not detected thing.
It reminds me of the FDA excuse for not taking the vaccines because of the DNA adulteration of the vaccines.
And the excuse given by the FDA is that, well, we have no evidence that it causes any harm.
And of course, the reason that they have no evidence is because they haven't looked.
Right.
Exactly.
That's the thing.
So, you know, bottom line is don't take any vaccines.
Don't take the COVID vaccines.
I don't care what your comorbidities are.
I don't care what your age is.
I don't care if you're young, old, you have diabetes, you have 15 comorbidities.
Do not take the COVID shots.
And the second thing is, do not take any other vaccines either, because every study that's ever been done, published in the peer-reviewed literature that compares the fully vaccinated with fully vaccinated, sorry, fully unvaxxed versus the fully vaxxed, shows that the fully unvaxxed are way healthier Then the fully vaxxed, an example of that is for heart disease, where it's like 40% of Americans suffer from some sort of a heart disease, whether it's high blood pressure or what have you.
And it's close to 0% for people who are fully unvaccinated, which is just absolutely stunning differential.
But it's an example of the kinds of things, the kinds of benefits that people who are unvaccinated have.
And the pediatric clinics, which do not vaccinate kids, the outcomes for the kids are so superior.
And there's no autism, zero autism, even though they're surrounded 360 degrees by clinics that are giving vaccines and where autism rates are the one in 35%.
And so how is this clinic avoiding all autism?
Well, it's simple.
They don't vaccinate.
They recommend that their parents don't vaccinate.
They're kids.
And I can't even tell you.
It's the sad thing.
I can't even tell you who they are because they don't want to be known because if they were known, they would have their medical licenses taken away and they have to close shop.
Well, we live in a nation where the routine medical sacrifice of children has been codified into the code of ethics of administering medicine.
It's astonishing.
And it's sad.
You know, I had a medical appointment today, and the The nurse asked me, so have you had your flu vaccine?
And I said, no, I'm not taking any flu vaccines.
I'm not taking any vaccines.
You show me the data first, and maybe I'll consider it.
But when I've looked at the flu vaccine data, it looks like it kills more people than the flu does.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right, well, we've covered a lot of ground.
There's a lot more we could do down the road, but I want to thank you for your time and remind people to check out your Substack page.
It's stevekirsch.substack.com and also stkirsch is your handle on Twitter or X. Anything else you want to mention before we wrap it up?
Nope.
Stay safe.
All right.
Ask questions, demand to see the data before you get any medical interventions.
Yeah, absolutely.
Great advice.
Thank you, Mr.
Kirsch.
It's an honor to have you on.
I really appreciate you.
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