Louder Than Crowder - EPISODE 77: MR. RENT FREEZE (OCTOBER 29TH, 2025)

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EPISODE 77: MR. RENT FREEZE (OCTOBER 29TH, 2025)

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	This is an AudioWall original.
	And then I got my gun.
	Oh, I'm not going to murder!
	Are you doing the Jonathan Davis remix?
	Oh yeah.
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast, Louder with Crowner.
	My name's Byron.
	Across from me, it's D. D. D. I'm D. Hey.
	And our Lone Star Brother in Occupied Texas, it's Jared.
	D's.
	Nuts, maybe.
	Oh, we've got him, dudes.
	What do you know about that?
	These are jokes.
	And although, this will be coming out inside of the blood month.
	That's what the ancient Saxons called November.
	Blood Month?
	It's the devil's night right now.
	And Stephen and the gang are preparing for something fun and big.
	Fun-sized?
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Glad to be with you today on the annual Halloween Spooktacular.
	Gerald, you're Black Rock.
	I get it.
	Oh, Dylan Mulvaney.
	That's the best one, and I don't like it.
	Thomas the East Palestine tank.
	A Korean paraglider.
	I call this the tale of the show.
	that's probably gonna have a lot of problems.
	Send in your Halloween costumes with your mug in the picture to me on Twitter.
	Use the hashtag Spooktacto, and you'll enter to win the costume contest.
	That's a lot of work.
	What was all of that?
	Does it work?
	A racist costume party?
	Yeah, it's usually a racist costume party.
	They skipped it last year because it was the election season.
	That was the excuse for them.
	Of course.
	But they did discuss several costumes they wore on their, I guess, annual Spooktacular.
	What an original name.
	Just so you know.
	This year we're all Hitler.
	Well, they have all these Hitler costumes.
	What are we going to do with it?
	We got to write this off somehow, right?
	12 Hitlers.
	It's really cool.
	They were ambitious.
	Strength and numbers, boys.
	They definitely wrote off a Hitler costume.
	Of course they did.
	Josh has dressed up as Hitler twice, and, you know, of course, he's in the middle of his weight loss journey.
	So you have to buy another one in one direction or another.
	Dylan Mulvaney, BlackRock.
	This was all from 2023, as well as Steven dressed up as a South Korean who died in a paragliding accident.
	He really loved this video.
	A paraglider hit a power line and died, I believe.
	And that's what he dressed up as?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Well, I think it was because some people shared this falsely on X, the everything app, as a Hamas paraglider during what's the day?
	November 7th.
	October 7th.
	Yes, that's the one.
	So that he thought that was a cool costume.
	I think it's kind of a weird thing to celebrate, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's a misidentification of loss of life.
	Yeah.
	He's dumb and racist.
	Very cool.
	Well, that's a surprise, huh?
	But yeah, it has been a bit since we monitored the success of a hashtag campaign, so you better believe it.
	I'm so cured.
	That's the first thing that came to mind.
	I was like, how many people dress up?
	We're going to be following up with descriptions of the dozen of costumes that are submitted, I would imagine, tomorrow using hashtag Spooktacular.
	You know, it's going to be just racist Jesus or whatever that last guy.
	The one guy who posted from Times Square, racist Jesus.
	Oh, what was that guy's name?
	It was something Jesus, though, right?
	I think, yeah.
	I'm pretty sure it was like...
	Miniature action Jesus?
	No, no, it's different.
	Very...
	Very cool white Jesus or like White Supremo Jesus or White Supreme.
	Rat Nationalist Jesus.
	But here's what I love is that they're using the hashtag Spooktacular.
	It's going to be used for other things.
	Exactly.
	They're not the only.
	Hey, guys, we're doing a conscious contest.
	A post hashtag Halloween costume on Instagram.
	Well, maybe.
	Hashtag dressed up.
	And the strangest thing is you only get to win the prize if you're holding your mug in the picture.
	They'll never be able to find it.
	Well, and they've stopped sending out the mugs from mug clubbers.
	What are you doing, Stephen?
	No.
	They aren't going to be out of prize.
	Of course not.
	They're just trying to, I guess, mine some sort of online interaction, but it's not going to work.
	It doesn't really matter.
	Yeah, no, it's terrible.
	But at least it doesn't cost them tens of thousands of dollars like a Times Square billboard did.
	Oh, man.
	It's so funny they did that.
	Yeah, it was a really great idea.
	I just thought it was awesome.
	And we were the three.
	We need more stunts, Stephen.
	Did you see that?
	No.
	What?
	Sorry.
	It's just, it's this time of year.
	It gets me.
	I'm on edge.
	You're on edge?
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	And I'm not alone in being freaked out.
	The boys sure are today as well.
	Not by ghosts, because, of course, they have the Holy One to protect them, as well as the father and the son.
	Not of active lawsuits either, because they're always ongoing and serve to get them attention.
	And a victim narrative.
	As we cover the October 29th episode of Aladder with Crowder, shutdown backfire.
	Dems are in major trouble while Trump takes on the world in Asia.
	Trump wanders around a ballroom in Asia.
	In which they actually don't talk about Trump.
	We're not going to go through that.
	I think maybe they did realize that he did get lost as if he was.
	Of course he did.
	And he's going to say that he was.
	Like super focused on walking straight in a straight line.
	Yeah.
	And he got so saluting, yeah, saluting the band, salute the flag, walk in a weird straight line.
	i feel like the woman that was like kind of leading him around got like so far away from him because he was so like well it's like even his stride was like yeah that was the prime minister of japan Kony Chowa.
	You know that meme that's like, this is me sneaking to the fridge to get a piece of cheese at 2 a.m.
	And it's like that old lady who kind of has that nice little, like the red sweater and the black slacks, and she's kind of doing a little sneak walk to the fridge or whatever.
	I feel like that's what Trump was doing around there, trying to be like sneaky.
	No one knows I had a stroke, Daddy.
	Just play it cool.
	I mean, we all know how difficult it was for him to walk in a straight line in Alaska when he was meeting with Putin down the red carpet.
	He was zigzagging up and down that thing.
	Oh my God.
	It was comical.
	It was like you're watching the little rascals, you know.
	Sure, sure, yes.
	Just like a Laurel and Hardy, and they're like in fast forward doing like the little, the fast walk.
	Well, we all know Alfalfa is a Trump supporter.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, yeah, of course.
	Bug Hall lives in the middle of the woods and is the most Catholic man on earth.
	I mean, obviously, I don't care about him.
	Oh, dude, I got a whole bug hall arc for you one of these days.
	Yeah, he's got daughters that do chores for him.
	Well, that's the whole point of having children today.
	It's very the vich.
	It's a brood almost.
	Yeah.
	I was going to say that Trump's doing, if he gets busted for walking weird and getting lost, he's going to say that he was dressed up as Joe Biden for Halloween.
	Let's scratch that off the list here.
	Okay, that would be funny, but yeah, they don't talk about Trump in Asia at all.
	Maybe they did it on the other side.
	That's like all he did this week.
	Well, yeah, well, we've got other things to talk about, Dennis.
	They eventually get to the shutdown and get everything wrong about it.
	But yeah, their biggest boogeyman is real.
	And his name is Trump's little communist lunatic, Zoron Mumdani.
	Oh, and also Ding Dong Ditchers, I guess.
	Glad to be with you.
	I'm low on sleep.
	The reason I'm running low on sleep is because last night I heard a knock at the door and there was no one there.
	I'm not just saying this for Halloween.
	I wasn't alarmed until I mean like this.
	Like, not like a oh, it just can't be no one.
	It was me.
	So I just went out, checked it out.
	I'm like, what happened?
	And then I got my gun because I was alarmed.
	Yeah.
	But at first, so anyway, you guys ever had that?
	Let me know.
	I mean, you can't be a kid in America anymore.
	Steven Crowder is going to kill your ass.
	Well, he's going to get the gun.
	I'm surprised he didn't get the gun at first.
	Someone's right there.
	That's very strange.
	If there was a spooky situation, I did have a gun.
	I would get it before I was like, let me go check and see what's happening.
	He wakes up from a dream about shooting someone using Castle Doctrine and then has an opportunity to do it and doesn't go grab his weapon.
	You couldn't stand your ground.
	You could have stood your ground.
	He could have stood his ground.
	He missed his opportunity to stand right on it.
	And also, just nitpicking a little bit sci-fi spooky sound effect.
	What was that?
	Placed a button-fi, like a UFO shooting.
	QN bought one of those Halloween sound effects.
	Audio jungle.
	He bought an audio sound effect CD at Goodwill.
	Yeah, but he didn't get it right.
	I'm sorry.
	And of course, everyone has had someone knock on their door.
	We want wind and like clanking.
	Dragging chains.
	Shutters.
	We all know dragging chains is the sound of Halloween that is.
	Honestly, I don't think it gets enough credit.
	Dragging chains.
	What's the story of dragging?
	Dragging chains.
	I think it's based in the dungeon thing.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	Yeah, dungeon ghosts.
	Because, of course, if you go the layer is spooky castles always have a dungeon.
	That's true.
	Didn't Bob Cratchit or whatever, didn't the Ghosts of Christmas Past or Future?
	They had chains.
	One of them was all chained up.
	I mean, that's kind of good for dragging chains as a, you know, as a category because it gets usage at least twice a year.
	You're not dragging chains in the summer, right?
	Do you think dragging chains as a horror movie trope started just because it was easy to record the sounds of dragging chains?
	Do you think that folly drove what they wrote?
	Hey, maybe back then, right?
	The limitations of audio production.
	Yeah, they got the saw that wobbles for thunder, yeah.
	And now I got this.
	Huh.
	It's kind of funny.
	It's magic.
	We have so much more now.
	Yeah, just like that.
	Praying for Steven.
	Sorry, he got a rough night's sleep.
	Couldn't get back to sleep after someone ding-donged his door.
	Come on, man.
	I've never had somebody knock in the middle of the night.
	What if it was another wrapped potato?
	What if it was those who were standing outside going, we have a question for you?
	Those guys were scary.
	Do you remember the last time someone dropped a potato at his doorstep?
	No.
	Oh, I did.
	Yeah, because no one should be, you know, looking up Steven's address and dropping off potatoes in front of his house.
	I don't think any of us support that.
	Yeah, we don't.
	But it could be Gerald.
	Gerald admitted to it.
	Gerald technically owns all of his property, right, to shield it from the divorce.
	Gerald was knocking on his own door.
	Like, this is my own.
	Get out.
	Yeah, I'm not sure.
	Well, he's tired of staying at the holiday inn, by the way.
	Yeah, Chick-fil-A is too far from it.
	And also, Tim, the tool man, I found out today changed his Instagram handle.
	Oh, to what?
	Not sure.
	Got my eye on it.
	Just getting scoops sent to me via messages.
	The changes to hide from us?
	I don't know.
	Take a peek.
	I doubt it.
	Come on now.
	All right.
	But also, also, what is the greatest Halloween candy of all time?
	Since we're coming up on Halloween, candy corn.
	Candy corn?
	Yeah.
	Do you truly mean that?
	I love candy corn.
	Don't answer.
	Not until, of course, we take a second to thank the folks over at Truck Duck Club who are supporting us.
	This is my favorite place.
	Hello, Shrub Nation.
	You got your disruption.
	It's the spooky home of all of the things that are too hot and violent for the audience.
	We got double stabs.
	Bug club exclusives.
	Double.
	Double.
	What's that?
	Shoots.
	Double.
	What?
	Double ice shoots.
	Double barrels and stab club exclusives.
	And pics of Josh's belly.
	Jiggling like a piece of chillo.
	Oh, oh.
	All right, remember when Jell-O was scary for?
	Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, because you'd stick your hand in it and you'd be like, is this the innards of a man?
	Some mother of a child would be like, yes, of course.
	And I stayed up all night peeling these grapes and their eyeballs.
	Hell yeah.
	Before we get into our thank yous, what was your guys' favorite Halloween special?
	Oh, man.
	Oh, like a movie?
	Oh, or like TV?
	I think I was a huge fan of Home Improvement.
	I feel like they had some good Halloween specials.
	And I really, to this day, I have no, what's been going on with Tim Allen since that show.
	Is he like a normal, good, normal guy?
	No, no, no, no.
	He had a show that got canceled.
	Of course, I know.
	Okay.
	I was like, yeah, he has a new show with the same people and it's the same premise.
	Yeah, I heard Rob Schneider is going to be on it one of these days.
	No, but he belongs there.
	It's the same kind of energy, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I was a big fan of what's Nick would do a Halloween special Saturday Night Nick on Nickelodeon.
	We'd have Stick Stickly would host.
	He'd be dressed up as a vampire googly-eyed popsicle stick.
	I thought that was kind of fun.
	All those specials were great.
	I can't think of a single Halloween special that I watched.
	It just washed over me that we are acting as if we are Steven Crowder at this point, right?
	We are, basically.
	We're soaking in nostalgia, just like that man would.
	Yeah.
	There's the 90s song I covered about Halloween.
	I'm kind of asking because I'm trying, and maybe one of our...
	He just got TV for the first time.
	Jared's got TV.
	I've just seen TV for the first time.
	This is true.
	Have you seen this stuff?
	There was a Halloween special in the early 90s.
	And I wasn't born for this, of course.
	I'm only 25 years old, of course.
	But there's six years since the last time we talked.
	Maybe back.
	I don't remember.
	25, anyway.
	But I think in 1993, 92, there was a M ⁇ Ms and like Mars bar Halloween special that had these like freak little aliens on it.
	What the hell?
	And I can't.
	And if someone could tell me what this is, I've been trying to remember what it is for like years and years and years.
	at dan crowder yeah if you guys can remember but i i feel like there's like a is this a is this a question of the week is this is this i mean i would I'm going to send this over to you real quick.
	They would have a question of the week ding.
	But yeah, why don't you reach out to us at Dan Crowder on Blue Sky and X with your favorite.
	Let me finish.
	Oh, geez.
	Halloween special.
	Oh, jeez.
	And I wish I had a ding.
	I've just got a...
	That's kind of...
	That's a good thing.
	That's pretty good.
	I just wanted to share my favorite.
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm not moving on.
	I'm just saying.
	It's not even a special, but my favorite spooky TV show is Say Cheese or Die.
	Goosebumps.
	RL Stein with Ryan Gosling.
	Gosles in it, for sure.
	Gosler.
	Yeah, and of course, I like his Halloween band, Dead Man's Bones.
	That's spooky band.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	Spooky band, yeah.
	But of course, we're going to hear some Treehouse of Horror Simpsons fans would be my favorite one is when Homer goes 3D and he goes into the erotic cake shop or whatever.
	I like it when Homer kills his whole family and then hangs himself with that workout bench thing like Benoit did.
	I don't know anything about Simpson.
	You basically tell me anything about Halloween and I'll believe you.
	Yeah, all right.
	Back to the plug thing Back to Plugging our Shrug car Oh, that's what we're doing.
	Folks who support us there, they get the Josh's belly picks.
	Even though everything's free, it always will be.
	Some folks choose to support us with candy and money as well.
	And we appreciate them bigly.
	Folks like Jake R. Jake, thank you so much.
	We had a restaurant in our town called Jaker.
	Remember that one?
	And I want to say thank you to their buffet, and I want to say thank you to Jake R. You piece of shit.
	And Alan Kay.
	Alan Key, last name Key.
	I don't think so.
	Alan Key.
	North Alan Branch.
	Oh.
	That's a dumb joke.
	But thanks, Alan.
	I appreciate you.
	Alan Key.
	To my heart.
	Thank you so much.
	Oh, Alan, I love his phone number.
	It's so great.
	What a piece of shit.
	What a piece of shit.
	Do you like what they're doing?
	I am.
	What?
	What?
	You said, if you like what our doing.
	I'm fine.
	I'm walking in a straight line.
	It's fine, dude.
	If you like what we are doing and want to support us with a treat, a financial treat, so we can do more and be better for everyone, visit Shrug.club, join Shrug Nation, be a Shrug clubber, and also be a piece of shit.
	Great.
	All right.
	There's a lot of trick-or-treat stuff going on in that plug.
	Apologies.
	Do you get trick-or-treaters at your house?
	A couple.
	Not many.
	You have a new house?
	Yeah, I don't know yet, actually.
	All right, important stuff.
	The crew's favorite candy.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	You said you're a big candy card candy.
	You know what?
	I had freeze-dried candy card.
	Ooh, I bet that hit hard, huh?
	It was not bad.
	Not bad.
	Oh, man.
	It's just like grainy sugar.
	I bet it's grainy.
	It kind of crumbles up a bit, but I'm here for that.
	Also, Steven Crowder and the guys never launched their freeze-dried candy line, which is disappointing.
	Oh, yeah.
	They were asking about that.
	I don't think they.
	Hey, any products you might be interested in?
	You guys forgot?
	How could you forget?
	Oh.
	So I don't think that they've really launched any of the things that they were suggesting.
	That rules.
	They just wanted to know what you thought about it.
	We're not going to launch this, but do you like candy?
	Oh, yeah.
	I guess we should say one more time.
	We have a t-shirt and a hat available for sale if you want to support it.
	There's a few of us on it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If you want to know what we look like, I know I'm on the cover, but honestly, I physically don't look like that much anymore.
	So yeah, if you want to see what we look like, you buy our body for a shirt.
	Yeah, of course.
	I look worse.
	So my prediction's about candy, by the way.
	I think that Josh Firestein, I think that he is a Reese's guy.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	Yep.
	I think that Gerald likes those peanut butter things that everyone hates.
	Oh, well, that's one of my favorites.
	Mary Jane's.
	Yeah, I think it's a good one.
	The ones that are wrapped orange and black taffy.
	It's like a saltwater taffy, but it's filled with peanut butter in the middle.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's one of my favorites.
	I think that Stephen.
	Do you want me to kick it off?
	No, I think that he likes Skittles.
	He's a Skittles guy.
	He's tasting the rainbow?
	I think so.
	You guys call them Rockets.
	In Canada, they're actually known as Smarties.
	Well, no, no, no.
	Smarties are like Roger.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry.
	What you guys know is Smarties, we call Rockets.
	Smarties are like an Eminem candy.
	Don't admonish.
	Canadians.
	Let him know, right?
	We have Smarties in Canada.
	It's like a chocolate candy thing.
	More like dummies.
	More like.
	So he's trying to be exclusive to he's like, I got better taste than y'all.
	You guys have never heard of this.
	And then he just explains it wrong.
	Yeah, he really fucked it up.
	Smarties are MMs.
	Well, rockets are smarties, I guess.
	They call them rockets mechanisms.
	Canada, yeah.
	Just because smarties are already there.
	And suddenly, Steven is unusually Canadian and prideful about it.
	Of course he is, dude.
	Don't fuck around with his candy.
	I feel like I heard him say something earlier this week when I was listening to what's his face on Change My Mind or whatever.
	I think it was on one of those.
	He's like, well, I'm a Canadian.
	And it's like, what is Canadian?
	It's Canadian by choice.
	Yeah, whenever it actually makes sense, that's when he decides to do it on important subjects like, it's okay that I say that Canada sucks, but the Canada.
	No, listen.
	Canada.
	I did have much to say.
	I'm not going to finish it.
	All right.
	At this point, though, permanent third chair.
	Unfortunately, I think we've locked him in.
	Yeah.
	Josh Feierstein.
	Hello.
	It's Sixlets for me.
	Sixlets?
	Yeah, Sixlets.
	Do you know Sixlets?
	No, I know Chickens.
	They're like little, it's MM concept, but they're round, perfectly like a ball.
	Yeah.
	And they have a little chocolate, little candy-coated chocolates.
	They come in a little sleeve, six of them.
	No.
	The sixlets.
	No, they never had the one with those.
	The orange ones are flavored orange.
	Like an orange chocolate.
	It's cool.
	I think he's wrong about that.
	Yeah, they're not.
	They're just a worse chocolate, but they are.
	They're a worse MM.
	They are.
	I like the package, like the old caterpillar thing or whatever the fuck it is.
	Sure.
	Yeah, which is like a little sleeve.
	Sixlets.
	And I don't think it's actually limited to six, which is kind of strange to me.
	If you're looking here counting them, I think maybe in like the house package.
	Yeah, because there's these ones that are like individually wrapped.
	Like the fun size.
	Yeah, you get six.
	They're not good, but yeah, it's a fun concept, but I like all candy.
	They hurt my mouth.
	And it's because they have probably an inordinate amount of dye in them.
	There's a lot of color going on with these.
	I'm here for it.
	But they do have a cool thing that an MM doesn't do, or you can't press your tongue against the top of your mouth and break an MM, but you can break a six-let that way.
	Interesting.
	Thinner shell, thinner candy shell.
	Yeah, yeah, I do like that about it.
	But that's probably, you know, cutting my top palette and then shoving Red 40 into it, which makes my mouth burnt.
	So do you think that's why they don't have them in Canada?
	Is because of the sixlets are available in Canada.
	Yeah, Stephen did.
	Because his parents didn't like them.
	Because 6-6lets.
	And his dad thinks that they're like, no, his parents didn't like him.
	No, they just didn't give him candy.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	They're choosing some really mid-candy.
	Yeah, Byron, I know that you famously love a NECA wafer.
	Yeah, I was going to say, I've no one.
	I've got you candy dots.
	I love peeling those dots off that paper.
	I do have a really horrid taste in candy.
	I love old people candy.
	Mary Jane's Charleston Chew.
	Black Licorice.
	That's got to be a wafer.
	What's another good one?
	Arisen.
	Sure.
	A reason?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Werthers toss me a Werthers.
	I had some friends buy me some Werthers recently.
	I saw it at the end of your race.
	They're so good.
	Congratulations, by the way.
	Long run, you did.
	Butterscotch disc.
	Sure.
	Hell yeah.
	Fucking shit.
	Give me one of those, the freak strawberry that your auntie got in her purse for some reason.
	I just, I love old people candy.
	I like Pearson's nut rolls.
	That's like one of my favorites.
	Jared, I have a really fun story.
	I like Pearson with you and everybody listening because I forgot that we're just recording a show.
	You thought we were just hanging out talking about Byron and I used to go and do trivia.
	Or do MD Food Boys.
	And then we would go back to My House employee games.
	We always stop and ask one guy for some suggestions for candy, and he recommended Twin Bing.
	Another old person candy.
	Old person candy, but it's two blocks of nougat, and it's like wrapped in cotton chocolate.
	I do know Twin Bing.
	It's made in Idaho.
	Yeah, it's like a cherry nougat.
	This guy, he didn't know how to describe it.
	And he goes, it's like, it's like two boobs.
	Uh, yeah, this cashier, you got busted that night.
	He got busted.
	So funny.
	That guy's got goon.
	He's goon-brained.
	It's like two sandbags.
	Chocolate to nut roll.
	That's a St. Paul, Minneapolis.
	One last old person candy I'll throw in here.
	Chicka stick.
	I love a chicko stick.
	Let me look it up.
	I think I know what we're talking about.
	That's like the heads of a butterfinger.
	Oh, yes.
	Those ribs were so good.
	I do kind of like that, but I don't like a butterfinger.
	I'm otherwise like pretty candy forward.
	Like, I'm hard-pressed to be like, I don't like that.
	Sure.
	Coconut I'm not a big fan of.
	Oh, coconut could be coconut all day.
	I just don't like it.
	I'm not a horse.
	I'm not joking.
	You couldn't find a candy I don't like.
	Do you guys have caramel bars here?
	Caramel.
	No, we probably call it something like Snickers.
	No, no, no.
	It's just a chocolate bar, and it's like, and there's caramel, but they're all like squares.
	Anyway.
	Caramello.
	Caramello.
	There you go.
	Yeah, caramello.
	Caramello.
	Now you guys are talking about Dominicans.
	All right.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought I was talking about that.
	I think it's a basketball player.
	Caramello Anthony.
	Is he a basketball player?
	Carmelo Anthony.
	He is?
	Yes.
	Did he beat up his girlfriend in an elevator with a butter dish?
	No, but a guy with the same name and same skin tone killed a kid at a track meet.
	Oh, that's right.
	I'm getting it all.
	You know, easy mistake.
	Just gliding straight into the side of a mountain of racism.
	Jesus.
	Just like a sweet, nice conversation about sweet treats.
	Do you guys like caramels?
	I don't know.
	Let's talk about black people beating people.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	The worst thing is that that was clearly scripted to say the caramel to caramello to caramello Anthony to black people kill people.
	Caramelized white chocolate.
	There's a joke in there somewhere.
	I just don't know what it is.
	That is like the...
	Yeah, that's bonkers.
	I don't even know.
	I just had to take a bite from the racist candy.
	Ooh, ever so sweet in my mouth.
	Let me just spit it out to my friends.
	That's weird.
	That's a weird thing to have to do worse than.
	He's free associate, dude.
	Yeah.
	Just free associate and then just have to do it.
	Caramelized.
	That means that the white chocolate has been, what do you say, tainted.
	And I hate the blacks.
	I mean, it's a spooky episode.
	That's all.
	It's just full of this stuff.
	Jared, I also heard a little bit of Flipper Zero in your voice there.
	He almost slipped at Flipper Zero, yeah.
	I was thinking about him earlier today.
	Wow, could you not?
	He's a friend of the show at this point.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I love calling all of our characters friends of the show.
	That's fun.
	So, yeah, I caught a bunch of racist talk about how India celebrates a Hindu festival of lights called Diwali.
	You've heard of it.
	They make fun of a Toronto mayor who decided to declare an official celebration of the day, doing a traditional dance and posting it on social media.
	Cool.
	With Steven then asking why her appropriation is acceptable and his isn't.
	She gets to dance and celebrate another culture, and I can't do Taco Tuesday?
	That's truly what he felt.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Guy's dense and dumb.
	And I hope a bunch of kids knock on his door and take all his candy.
	Dump his bowl.
	I hope so.
	Yeah.
	What do you think he puts out?
	Do you think he pays money or he thinks that trick-or-treaters are socialists?
	Actually, I heard that he doesn't put out because he's saving himself for marriage for the right woman.
	He puts those chick-track pamphlets in a bowl and he calls them a night.
	So yeah, we jump right into the horror that is oh God, I'm gonna be sick.
	A 30-something year old, well-liked democratic socialist.
	Speaking good, clean fun, let's go to unclean.
	Zorhan Mamdani.
	Hey.
	We are not the same, the right and the left.
	No.
	No, we are not.
	Absolutely not.
	And this is something that a lot of not only liberals, but a lot of libertarians, they'd always talk about the prison industrial complex.
	I think we're kind of at the point now where we've lived the experiment and we've seen the results.
	For example, we've gone the other way from the prison industrial complex where we've just done catch and release.
	Okay.
	People don't like it.
	He thinks we've gone away from the prison industrial complex.
	We've explored that, the going away from it, and now it's time to return to it.
	Okay.
	I don't think that's true.
	Of course it's not.
	Experiment's over.
	We had our window of the big change within the prison industrial.
	Yeah, yeah.
	GTA 5 came out before we started that process.
	That's funny.
	Did it actually come out yet?
	2013, GTA 5.6 didn't come out yet.
	Oh, right.
	We've lived through the, hey, if we just throw enough money at the continent of Africa and they're more poor than the 80s.
	We've lived through the LGBTQ AIP, same-sex marriage, and people.
	You know what?
	I don't think we're better off.
	Weird pivot, right?
	Just jump into these topics.
	Well, prison-industrial complex, of course, and then funding Africa.
	Yeah, we funded Africa and then we let lesbians marry each other.
	Hold tight, Stephen.
	He does this.
	The world's not better because of it.
	notice he does this and i think it's like truly only self-serving and or dog whistling like to say one thing that is kind of the the subject of what he's going to be talking about and then throw in a couple things he like does like omnibus arguments Well, yeah, but he doesn't even really talk about those things.
	He just, it's like...
	Word associate.
	You know, we love the same things, Byron.
	You know, we love pizza.
	We love candy.
	We love stabbing people.
	We love video games, you know?
	I guess.
	Yeah.
	And it seems like it was actually January 2017 that Trump ordered an end to catch and release.
	This is what we were like talking about last episode or a couple episodes ago.
	Coupling information.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	But this is like triple and quadrupling information.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like you're, you, he links like three or four things, like you just said, but attaches it to one thing so that like you draw your associations back to this one thing, despite him not having that attachment.
	Yeah, and if you firmly support one of the things he discusses, then it almost throws everything together.
	Yeah.
	Then you also hate this.
	Yeah.
	What a cool trick.
	It's like the old Mitch Hedberg joke of, have you ever had sugar or PCP?
	Yeah.
	Both fun stuff.
	Ray, raise your hand if you like having sex or chicken wings.
	Well, put your arm down.
	I have both of them, bro.
	Let's fucking go.
	It seems, though, like the left and Zoro and Mamdani, they're still stuck in those old talking points.
	We're not the same.
	Hear his thoughts about how prisons kind of shouldn't be a thing.
	The way that prisons are set up in our society, I would argue that they do not work.
	They do not make us safer.
	The instinct is to just take that person, the source of that harm, the source of that issue, and then just throw them away.
	Put them in a cage and throw away the key.
	That doesn't address the reason why that harm was created in the first place.
	There are lots of times people who create trauma for others are those who themselves went through trauma earlier in their own lives.
	So they can't do anything.
	And I bring all of this up to say that, you know, again, like when we talk about policing, I don't think the system actually makes us safer.
	I think what it does is it just removes problems out of view.
	And here's the thing.
	We have a fundamentally different worldview, and I'll get to that.
	We will probably talk about that as well.
	Does Steven know how to comprehend what people say?
	He never once was like, we need to get rid of prisons.
	There was a couple clips that went viral and were posted on End Wokeness on X, posted by Bill Ackman, Dave Rubin, Libs of TikTok, all of the best, most unbiased voices.
	Totally, yeah.
	Like woke YouTube.
	Yeah, and they all post this clip.
	New York Post posts about posting it and has someone else lead into it with their commentary on their Instagram, of course, because Instagram is news now, too.
	Damn it.
	I actually couldn't find any of the exact interview that Stephen and everyone were referencing, but I did determine that it was part of a handful of interviews that he was doing while running to be New York City Assemblyman for the 36th District in 2021.
	So it's been a while.
	Yep.
	I did find one in whole, which he's basically saying the same thing, having the same conversation with Natalie and Johnny of the Far Left show.
	That's the name of the show.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It has a thousand views.
	Clearly, no one's actually looking into what he has to say.
	They're only and listening to these clips that are posted by these rage-baiting X accounts.
	And if they took a break and listened to what he said, they'd probably agree with me.
	Yeah, so far what he said is that prisons don't work right now the way they are.
	A lot of people believe in prison reform.
	Yeah.
	Like even a lot of conservatives.
	And also, like people like George Santos.
	Yeah.
	You put somebody in prison, you're paying for them.
	So why not make them productive and get them back out?
	I think that it would be fair to express concern over the state of the prison system, regardless of where you land, you know, whatever side of the aisle you're on.
	Whatever side of the bars you're on, dude.
	Interesting.
	Zoran states he doesn't believe that the problem is being solved by putting people in jail and just hiding them away.
	And Tim says that he does enjoy that and he thinks that that's the right move.
	I don't know if you caught her.
	Yeah, that was pretty cool.
	Yeah, I don't really think that anyone cares about the root of the problem.
	They just say that someone commits a crime, they should go to jail.
	And they don't care about who that affects, how it affects them, or the fact that a lot of times we're paying for it.
	Yeah, when I was growing up, my mom actually never said a word to me.
	I did something wrong, and she just locked me in a room.
	Yep.
	Pancakes and pizza only.
	Run her into the door for you.
	Well, yeah, flat food.
	Flats, dude.
	Flatbird sandwiches on Sunday morning.
	Let's listen to Zoron on the title of this podcast is kind of interesting.
	The far left show.
	A rising New York Socialist Nominee Conversation with Zorhan Mamdani.
	Yeah, 1.1,000 views five years ago.
	Let's get into it.
	I really wanted to ask you, are prisons obsolete?
	Coming through with the quotes with the titles of the books.
	I have to read that, actually.
	I haven't read that as yet.
	I think it's Angela Davis' book.
	Yeah.
	Are prisons obsolete from 2003?
	He's got some catching up to do in terms of reading, but I saw a couple cuts from July when this clip was clipped and used in a similar way.
	He goes, woo!
	And then they don't say anything else.
	They like hard cut to the next thing he said.
	Should we get rid of prisons?
	That's kind of what they were implying.
	Hell yeah.
	Pretty interesting.
	But haters, let's talk propaganda.
	I mean, he was just saying, like, wow, that's a hot question.
	And I haven't read the book that you're referencing.
	So, yeah, let's cut all that context out and continue, right?
	Yep.
	What purpose do they serve?
	Right?
	I think we have to ask ourselves that, which is that, you know, I think a lot of people who defend the carceral state, they defend the idea of it and the way it makes them feel.
	They're not defending the reality of it and the practices that are part and parcel of it.
	Because, you know, if you actually break it down and ask people, how many people come out of the prison system better than they went into the prison system, right?
	How much harm is actually being prevented versus created?
	I think these, when you put, when you ask these kinds of questions, people don't always have clear answers.
	What they always want to pivot to is, what are you going to do about murders?
	And what are you going to do about rapists?
	And sometimes you have to ask them, what are you doing about them right now?
	All great questions.
	That sounds like a great perspective.
	Normal sense of skepticism around do prisons actually solve problems or do they just punish?
	What is the purpose of a prison?
	Punishment.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	Nothing else.
	And punishment, I mean, listen, after, what am I at?
	Nine years of therapy, talk therapy, it's just not a good motivator.
	No, not at all.
	Punishing people when they do wrong and creating shame doesn't really work that well.
	No, it doesn't work at all.
	I mean, maybe it maybe works a little bit, but recidivism, what the scale of that or whatever.
	It's just like, you can see the data.
	We can all see the data.
	We know what it says.
	How many people leave better than they did when they went in?
	You know, how do we make people better while they're being punished for the crimes that they commit?
	I don't have an answer, and I haven't honestly done a lot of thinking around like what the solution to crime and prison and punishment is.
	I haven't done a lot of thinking about that.
	It's definitely like multifaceted.
	What were you saying, Dennis?
	Yeah.
	Well, I was saying, when I see here clips like this, we can look at numbers and say, you know, would this really help?
	But we can also just take a step back and use a common sense brain of, if I just lock somebody in a cage, does it help them get better?
	It doesn't.
	Having rehabilitative justice is going to be a more successful thing for us in the long term.
	But the problem is, is that people see prisoners and see criminals.
	There's a stigma.
	Yeah, they're like, this person is nothing like me.
	I would never do that.
	And it's like, hey, listen, they can be a really productive part of your society and they can have redemption and they can change.
	But they can't if you just say, lock them the fuck up.
	Yeah.
	Irredeemable piece of shit.
	Clearly, folks like Stephen and Gerald come from a lot of privilege without any sort of understanding of how policing affects marginalized communities.
	They would just say they don't.
	It doesn't.
	Well, it does.
	They just say rapists and murderers go to jail and the only other crimes are heists.
	And what's another big cool thing that they've seen in an action movie?
	Purse snatching.
	And maybe knock out gaming.
	Yes, of course.
	Those guys go death row immediately.
	Well, but the violent crime, though, and I guess I'm sort of on board with at least putting those guys in a work program for a day or something.
	They don't understand that most people who find themselves in jail or prison, it's a cascading effect of over-policing.
	Someone gets their license revoked for a small infarction.
	Sure.
	And then they get pulled over and then they get cited for that.
	Or some people post a meme on Facebook.
	Sure.
	That was wild.
	That's shit.
	That was pretty wild.
	He's out now.
	Thank goodness.
	Yeah, after 30 days in.
	The one I like to use for what you're saying is like marijuana, right?
	Sure.
	That's another great one.
	Yeah.
	And I think just because it's so illustrative of the point, because it's like what we know is that like basically every human being of like any racial class, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, this information is twofold.
	Almost like 90% of adults have tried marijuana at some point in their life.
	All of these minority classes are using marijuana at basically the same rate.
	What would be like the percentage of like Asians who use marijuana regularly correlates to their overall population size, whereas like white people who use marijuana regularly, there's more of them, but it's still the same sort of like population density that, you know, percentage-wise that use marijuana.
	But then you look at then you look at who is in jail, and it's like the percentage of people who are in jail are more minorities.
	And for like specifically for marijuana, I'm sorry to say, for marijuana usage, we know that everyone uses marijuana at the same rate per minority group, but people of color, minorities, to white people, they are a heavier population in prison in jail for marijuana, despite the fact that their white counterparts use marijuana in the same ways and rate that they do.
	Exactly.
	So that's illustrative of over-policing for these groups of people.
	You actually have better time getting more white people into jail if you were trying to hit numbers, but it's not about the numbers.
	It's about who is available to be on the streets.
	Many people who are in jail are just awaiting trial.
	Sure.
	So they might even be fully innocent, but they're just awaiting trial.
	Well, then because of no cash bail.
	Yeah, because of cash bail, the folks who are not well, like who are not well off or like they're of a different social class, they can end up just sitting in jail, losing their job, and then they end up in this cycle where, hey, I'm out of a job.
	I can't find a job because I don't have a license.
	That's not helpful.
	No, it's not helpful.
	But the thing is, is that when you hear people talk about no cash bail, what they'll do is they'll say things like, oh, so you think your murderer should leave?
	It's not just a bad guy.
	Should the guy who has a parking ticket have to stay in jail?
	Is it the guy who made the meme on Facebook?
	Like, that's obviously going to be like a lawsuit, obviously.
	I was going to say, I think, I mean.
	But I mean, that's it.
	It's just, you know, at the end of the day, it's innocent until proven guilty, but sometimes innocent people are sitting in jail awaiting trial because they simply are poor.
	Well, and they're pushed to plead guilty so they can get out sooner.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	It's stupid.
	And not everyone in jail is a rapist murderer.
	They are, actually.
	Yeah.
	Well, what color is the skin?
	Let me check.
	You should abolish prison for everything except for violent crimes.
	We'll get to it.
	We'll get to it.
	That's it.
	You know, that's how I feel about it.
	What I seek to talk to people about is that we need a system of justice that will repair the harm that has been caused and address it in a serious way.
	Because right now we don't have it, and it makes everyone more unsafe.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	But of course, this young dipshit doesn't know a damn thing about the real world.
	You got to have some more experience, though.
	So if I commit a financial crime, I should go to prison.
	Straight to jail.
	Well, damn it.
	I got to tell you, I think the boys don't think that at all.
	And we'll hear that a little bit later.
	I used to be a member of a group called Survived and Punished New York, which is a great organization that was created by Mayam Kaba, who's just truly an all-star and amazing inspirational organizer and leader.
	And I visited Bedford Hills prison and I visited a woman who had survived domestic violence.
	And because she fought to defend her life, she was criminalized for it in that act of self-defense.
	And you just asked, who does this serve?
	I'm trying to figure out what Stephen would think if he heard that.
	He'd probably say, well, what if they were two lesbians?
	Did she not want to put the gloves on?
	Okay.
	All right.
	And I've got a clip for that.
	I've got a clip for that.
	That doesn't work.
	That doesn't work either.
	There we are.
	Yes.
	Clearly, there is room for reform within the prison.
	Yeah, well, the thing is that people think we don't need prison reform are people who think that justice is delivered by eye for an eye kind of a thing.
	Yeah.
	But even then, prison's not even that.
	It's just, you know, yeah, you're criminals, you're criminals, you're criminals.
	There was a while ago, there was a high-profile case.
	A guy named Marcus Karma who left a purse out in his garage and then a kid came in or something.
	His last name, Marcus Karma?
	Karma was his last name.
	He didn't get what he deserved.
	Yeah, no.
	But he shot and killed a kid.
	Yeah.
	Basically, just entrapment.
	So many people were like, well, that kid was a criminal breaking the law, stealing beer, as if that's the same thing as murdering somebody or raping somebody.
	Like, it's different.
	And all these people I hear say they're the same kind of people who like drink when they were young or drive recklessly or wear my seatbelts sometimes.
	Bring a large AR-15 rifle across state lines.
	Leave it in my back seat when I go to high school.
	I forgot.
	They're hungry for punishment.
	They don't want justice.
	They just want people to be punished.
	Well, unless you're the sitting president of the United States.
	They leave him alone, honestly.
	Yeah, obviously.
	Right?
	Back to the boys, though, after we explored that podcast.
	Seems kind of interesting.
	I bet they really like him.
	Yeah.
	But we've tried their way.
	It was a really good talking point.
	The military-industrial complex.
	And people are going, oh, my God.
	They're making money off of jailing black people.
	Okay, but is there another facet where a certain segment of the population commit far more violent crimes?
	And what is the responsibility of government?
	Is it to protect the law-abiding citizens from those who break the law?
	And I'll just tell you, I'm okay at this point where I don't really host debates.
	That is by far.
	You literally just had a debate recently.
	I got to tell you, loudest quiet part I've heard in a while.
	Stevens, I don't think his intention has ever been to debate.
	No.
	You know that.
	I know that.
	His audience thinks he's a master debater.
	A gooner even.
	Yeah, dude.
	All right.
	I'm pumping my fists.
	Yeah, you're so stoked for it.
	No, I mean, he has never debated.
	He's only intended to crush the enemy, right?
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	I want people to dismiss you, and I want people to think that you're a damn joke and that I'm the king, but no one really likes him that much.
	Well, and he tried to do that earlier this week when he finally had on Dave Smith.
	Oh, Davis Motors of Calgadah.
	No, different guy.
	He's not the automobile.
	He's a comedian commentator, a different guy, yeah.
	After being lightly bullied into it by a friend of the show, Quieter Than Crowder.
	I don't know if you're aware of this.
	Does that happen?
	Yeah, Quieron Crowder and I have been talking about this since back in June, late June.
	Remember after, I think it was after, oh my gosh, there was a bombing that we did in Iran.
	Our show?
	No, no, no, we didn't.
	We as a country, because I'm an American and you're an American.
	Yeah, who attacked Iran.
	The bunkabusters, remember?
	Yeah, the bunkabuster.
	Yeah, yeah.
	In response to that, when folks like, I think, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Dave Smith, I think, I don't know if all of them said that Donald Trump should be impeached, but Dave Smith certainly did.
	And Steven invited all of them onto his show to try to exploit their audience.
	Yeah.
	Apparently back then, Dave Smith said he was going on a week after, on June 28th.
	I'm not sure exactly at the timeline.
	It was during an interview with one of the other guys that's part of the lineup.
	I think Viva Frey was the only one that Steven Vince is low on the totem pole.
	Stevens worked well because he sleeps.
	Steven would never exploit Vince for viewers.
	Vince doesn't have any favors, even though he's part of the Bongino army.
	He sees what we see.
	That's the thing.
	Fucking vampire.
	So, of course, I pointed out in our conversations here our secret DMs, which I would never leak.
	Would never do that.
	I've got a great little convo going with our true friend of the show.
	True friend of the show.
	I, of course, mentioned he's being rewarded by people's presence after just calling them out and being aggressive.
	Yep.
	And then in July, Quieter than Crowder points out that Dave Smith was never on.
	About a month later, they say my guess is Dave started DMing Darren, and there was so many stipulations and hoops to go through that he was like, just forget it.
	Which was my guess as well.
	I'd be so curious to see what that contract was like.
	Well, it's interesting because Gerald Morgan Jr., who, of course, G. Morgan Jr. on X, who also changed his username to Crowder, CEO.
	Pretty interesting to use your personal Twitter account.
	Dennis, you, of course, you would say louder than Crowder, CFO.
	You're the chief financial officer of this show.
	Insane thing to do.
	In response to Gerald talking about how his wife went through pain during pregnancy and she took nothing, of course, during the Tylenol debate.
	This is in September.
	She had a natural birth, Steve.
	Don't you dare say otherwise.
	This actually might just be a side note that they shared with me.
	This is really funny.
	So now I'm curious if it was her choice or if it was Gerald's, which is a funny thing to point out.
	In October, I'm just reading DMs.
	I'm sorry, Quieter than Crowder.
	Follow them on Twitter, though.
	On October 14th, Dave Smith tweeted in response to a video.
	Okay, I watched it.
	It's painfully stupid.
	I don't address Crowder, but I tore apart this dumb, why aren't you celebrating nonsense on today's show?
	And this was in response to Trump just ending it all, the war in the Middle East, which is great.
	And then Quieter with Crowder responded to that saying, when will you debate Steven?
	He said in June that you would be on his show next week, but it never happened.
	And then posted a clip from the Viva Frey show.
	And then Dave Smith actually responded to that saying, I'm down to do it.
	We had agreed to do it, but never locked down a date, if I'm remembering correctly, which is kind of funny.
	And then, surprise, surprise, the next week it happened.
	Wow.
	Awesome poll.
	Wonderful work.
	Good job.
	Seems like they kind of pulled that together for us all.
	It was.
	Can you give him an honor?
	I don't know if you have a piece of shit on that one.
	Yeah, why not?
	I'll make it.
	Let's see.
	Let's go with what's a good one.
	The Alex Jones piece of shit?
	Pieces of shit.
	That's my favorite role.
	Let's do the aggressive one.
	Piece of shit.
	That's a great one.
	So you are a piece of shit.
	Thank you so much.
	And if anyone else has a shrug club leak, of course, our inbox is open.
	We don't have a proton mail or anything.
	And if you do send us something that gets you in trouble, I will not go to jail for it.
	Absolutely not.
	You're on your own.
	And honestly, I will.
	If the FBI comes a knocking, I'll spill.
	Yeah.
	I'm a cup of milk.
	Okay?
	It's all over the ground.
	I mean, there's a maybe to a point, but listen.
	No, if you tweet at Byron, who he's talking to, he'll tell you.
	What?
	I'll tattle on anyone.
	Anybody.
	Honestly.
	No.
	Make some DMs for me.
	LetterthanCrowder at gmail.com.
	What was I saying?
	Yeah, it was embarrassing.
	His conversation with Dave Smith was not good.
	He just said he agreed with him on most things and then just kind of interrupted him with everything else.
	Which is cool.
	Kind of cool to the point where Dave's like, everyone said that you would be doing this.
	Everyone talks about you behind your back, Steven.
	And you know what they're saying?
	That you're a real interrupter.
	I hope that you heard me say that over your own voice.
	Jerk.
	And I mean, while I don't agree with Dave Smith on a lot of things, I do have to say, like, he's a fairly principled guy.
	And nothing is more stark than when you're watching him talk to someone like Steven Crowder.
	You know, like I appreciate his weird libertarian takes, which I think are also bad.
	They're trash.
	But at least he comes at them from like a real place that he truly believes.
	Yeah.
	He's like, yeah, I'm here and I'm not wishy-washy.
	I think Trump's doing a bad job.
	Well, I think that you're doing a bad job, Dave.
	Let me finish my thought.
	Yeah.
	Stop interrupting me.
	Stop interrupting me.
	Stop hitting yourself.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, it was crazy when Steven reached towards the camera on Zoom and took Dave's nose, which is crazy.
	Again, it's incredible.
	How did he do it?
	The bonk.
	Big bonk.
	You got a big bonk.
	Big butt, you get the butt.
	Big butt.
	You get the butt.
	He did the one where he put a middle finger and pointer finger around the nose, but then he like, he wound back with his right hand like a fucking hammer, you know?
	And then bonked the fucking, you know, his fist or whatever, ripped that sucker off his face.
	Man, I got to add Stooch's music to the board next to me.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So where were we?
	I could sit across from him, Donnie.
	We're never going to find common ground.
	At the end of the day, it's okay.
	So you believe that we should be softer on crime and that people who commit crimes actually, it's the symptom of society.
	Therefore, we should change society.
	I believe that we need a deterrence.
	Crimes are a result of society.
	Yeah.
	Society.
	Oh, is he going to do a slam poem?
	Why don't you lie to me?
	Samore.
	Samore what?
	I've had nothing.
	Ooh, marshmallow, chocolate, and graham cracker.
	But you're watching my groceries go by in the stacker.
	Graham Plattner.
	Nazi tattoo.
	Boohoo for you.
	No snap benefits starts tomorrow.
	Let's give him some snaps, everybody.
	Holy shit.
	Snap benefits for you.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	That piece is called Snap Benefits.
	And that might be the title of the episode.
	I hate this show.
	All right.
	No, I agree.
	I mean, I agree with you, but like, when you societal change, it doesn't mean we're changing the rules.
	It's just how people are.
	We need to change the culture to be more positive and supportive.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I think that people really don't understand how much crime happens as a result of society not supporting the criminals.
	We don't need to, I'm just saying, like, we don't need to change like what's good is now bad and what's bad.
	Oh, I can't watch football.
	Good.
	No, man.
	Just maybe be more kind.
	That's all.
	Yeah, well, I heard they're going to start speaking Spanish on that in music form.
	And I'm wigging out right now.
	We got Bad Rabbit over there doing all his.
	Wicked bunny.
	All right.
	I believe that as it relates to foreign policy.
	I'm a non-interventionist.
	I'm not an isolationist.
	I believe that punishment should be intensely uncomfortable for those who harm their fellow citizens, for those who've decided to break the law.
	I believe they need to be separated.
	And I believe it needs to be severe enough that it acts as a deterrent.
	We can't fix all the root causes as to why someone might commit a crime.
	It doesn't work.
	The war on poverty hasn't worked.
	And if you look at demographics, you notice that not all poor people, depending on their demographic, commit violent crimes at the same rate.
	Okay, slipping a little racism at the end of the day.
	Slide right into that.
	He really said that you can't solve crime by fixing society?
	No, you can't intervene.
	You just have to intensely punish criminals.
	Really?
	It's a deterrent.
	People who steal hands cut off.
	They don't do it at all because they need to.
	They do it just for fun.
	Well, yeah, criminals are criminals.
	Yeah.
	They're doing it.
	But what if you take their snap benefits away from them?
	Then they're hungry, right?
	And then if they're hungry, then they're one step away from being a criminal.
	And they're one step closer to the edge.
	Going Aladdin mode on them.
	Yeah.
	Apparently, I mean, he knows all about that.
	Because what is Jasmine, but, you know, harboring criminals.
	You like that?
	Why is this different?
	The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that for sentences of 60 months or less, there's no statistically significant deterrent effect on recidivism in terms of like incarcerating people.
	Yeah, it does it help or not.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And in fact, harsher punishments actually produce a 3% increase of reoffending.
	Well, you can't reoffend if you didn't offend in the first place.
	I guess that makes sense.
	I'm about to break.
	Jeez.
	All right.
	Dipiri on full display, right?
	Yeah, totally.
	He's also very illogical in that statement.
	He's like, I think what we've done is we've actually just, it doesn't make it safer.
	It just removes the problem.
	And in his statement, it removes the problem.
	Yeah.
	Yes, that's exactly right.
	I'm not safer necessarily as a society just because of one, but I'm safer from that guy.
	Yeah.
	Or that girl.
	Selfishness.
	I think lack of empathy.
	So it removes the problem, but he doesn't care about all the other people affected by this.
	You know, no one sees this as like, this is someone's son or daughter, and they may have kids.
	They're criminals, dude.
	And then those kids get to grow up without a mother or a father?
	I thought these are the people who want families to stay together.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They're the same people who will say that without a father figure in your life, you're going to go to jail.
	So, yeah, let's just keep this, what is it called?
	It's like a circle thing.
	Ouroboris.
	There it is.
	That's it.
	A cycle.
	Yeah.
	Let's just keep that going, right?
	Snake eat his ass.
	Spit the tail out your mouth.
	What?
	Catch and release, cashless bail, IOU policy.
	People have seen what happened with Zarutska there in North Carolina.
	People have seen what has happened across the country.
	We've seen the crime rates.
	And then you're going to ask some white Gen Z kid who isn't even in the workforce yet.
	You're going to ask him, someone who's never owned slaves, whose forefathers have never owned slaves, to foot the bill for people today, even though one of his forefathers spilled his blood and died to free slaves.
	So now you're going to foot the bill because we have to right these historical wrongs.
	Make the case.
	Why?
	Because his black neighbors are such model citizens that he owes them something.
	The left wants us to be divided.
	And here's the thing.
	People will say that we're dividing or being racist by addressing the reality.
	The left wants to divide and conquer by lying about the world.
	They're fracturing this country by telling young white people that they should pay for the crimes of others, really by the original sin of their white skin.
	Wait, I thought we were talking about Zorhan Mamdani.
	No, dude.
	No, This is Yacubian shit.
	We're going to get into that now.
	You see, Dr. Yacoub, he got all the fucking light-skinned guys and he threw them in a pit.
	Next thing you know, they're breeding down there.
	And a couple years later, we got the white race, Daddyo.
	Pulling these guys out, putting the ladder down there.
	And he's saying, all right, well, I'm evil.
	And you're my guys now, the white race.
	I'm Dr. Yakub, your dad.
	And please go out into the world and do the bidding for me.
	Now, some 5,000 years later, Donald Trump.
	So thank you.
	Here we are.
	Here we are.
	Also, I should point out when he said that one of their fourth fathers spilled their blood to free the slaves.
	I should also point out it was a civil war.
	So the odds are Yakub into Wikipedia and click on the picture.
	Don't do that.
	I would never.
	How do you spell it?
	Y-A-K-U-B.
	I know what you're up to over there.
	Let's give a look.
	Oh, yeah, that guy is cool.
	What the hell?
	That's sick.
	I'm going to be right back, okay?
	Yeah, you got a pee?
	I'm going to go to my car to get another drink.
	Oh, Dennis is water asleep.
	He's getting the gun.
	You can put us out of our misery.
	Don't shoot me.
	Okay, Yakub, are you there?
	Yakub.
	You're talking about that guy who was monk?
	No, that's Shalub.
	That's only Shalub.
	Different guy.
	He's good.
	He's good, though.
	He's a good guy.
	I agree.
	And he's lying about how the prisons work.
	Yeah.
	He says, oh, we just, we just, our instinct is to throw them in a cage and throw away the key.
	Who are we doing that?
	Right.
	Murderers?
	Wait, do you want that?
	Some?
	Some murderers?
	Some murderers get out.
	Yes.
	We don't do it to rapists, certainly.
	We certainly don't do it to child predators.
	We don't do it to thieves.
	We don't even put some thieves in jail for any time at all.
	We don't throw away the key ever.
	We keep the key in our pocket.
	We let them out immediately.
	And they go kill the lady on a bus.
	Right.
	Exactly right.
	And then they go, well, yeah, but really, the real criminals are Wall Street.
	Hey, I agree with you, but you want to lock them up for longer than someone who commits a violent assault and puts someone in a coma?
	That's just a difference in worldview.
	I think everyone should answer for their crimes.
	I think violent crimes are a different level because it's indicative of a different kind of person.
	Everyone agrees that violent crimes are bad.
	Yeah, but I got to say, I think I'd rather be knockout gamed than Enrond, you know?
	Like, I don't actually know what Enrond would look like, if I'm honest.
	I'm just saying Enron did more damage than one person being knockout.
	Yeah, they double the oil into your house and they let you drown in it or something.
	Sure.
	I think the big difference is just that for the most part, people are not, when they say we need prison reform, they're not talking about violent people need to have less time in jail.
	They're saying non-violent offenders, people who are awaiting trial, that kind of a thing should not, those people should not be in jail.
	Well, I know.
	Or should be at least able to get out.
	Yeah.
	I'm just saying there are financial crimes that affect people dramatically.
	There's life-ruining damage done to people.
	Totally.
	And to discount that is very silly.
	Yeah, oh, it's totally silly.
	An assault where someone takes 20 bucks in my wallet should be more intensely jailed than a violent crime, you know.
	And I think it should be like in a lot of other countries where like your fine is a percentage of your worth.
	Oh, huh.
	That's in a sliding scale.
	Yes.
	Like I've seen like an example where like, I don't remember what country it is, but someone got a speeding ticket that was $200,000.
	Yeah.
	Because they were very wealthy.
	I mean, that's an interesting way to look at taxing of crimes, right?
	Well, that's just that.
	But the problem is when you're at the very bottom, then it's hard.
	There's no punishment.
	Yeah.
	And there are lots of things that, like, basically, you know, if the punishment is a fine, only poor people have to deal with it.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	It only matters to poor people.
	Like we were talking about that family who pointed guns at protesters a couple weeks ago.
	Yeah, it was $750.
	Yeah, $750 in $2,000.
	And it's like, for people like that who live in a historic mansion, it doesn't fucking matter.
	That's dinner.
	That's set of new tires like we talked about.
	Yeah.
	Oh, goodness gracious.
	Now I'm just staring at a picture of Yakub.
	Close that really quick.
	Very cool.
	Do you guys remember the show Wings?
	Yeah, we have Tony Shalub.
	Yeah, that was one of those shows that it was like a bottle show, right?
	Like it was always in the same place.
	Kind of, but it was in an airport.
	Yeah, but I would wake up in the middle of the night and couldn't sleep, and it was on the USA network.
	I was saying that tonight.
	Another show that I associate with pro wrestling.
	Oh, because it was on the same network and it came on late at night.
	Yeah.
	So because Zoron is a Democratic socialist, Steven decides to find the parts of their website that scare him the most.
	Oh, nice.
	Good one.
	He claimed that this is Zoron's personal policy as mayor.
	I think he might actually be mayor, fingers crossed.
	Let's make a...
	I'm going to say Zoran is mayor.
	I think he becomes mayor.
	I think he's the mayor.
	This always reminds me, I love this because.
	Almost he's got a secret Nazi tattoo on it.
	Jared gets this.
	Yeah, that would be a bad thing to come out.
	Jared also listens to the podcast Doughboys.
	Yeah.
	And they recorded an entire introduction to one of their episodes talking about the first female president, just assuming that Hillary Clinton just won the 2016 election.
	It's a legendary episode.
	And they let it air as if.
	Did they?
	Yeah, like nothing happened.
	Oh, that was great.
	So, yeah.
	Who Wings is on Pluto?
	I'm watching that tonight.
	Wonderful.
	Hopefully, Zoron is the mayor by the time this episode goes out.
	But this is, I guess, his personal.
	I've got elections next week.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is his plateau.
	That's my point of view.
	But Mamdani is the poster child for Democratic Socialists of America.
	Here are some of their demands.
	Click the link for references.
	This is directly from their site.
	Defund the police by rejecting any expansion to police budgets or scope of enforcement while cutting budgets annually towards zero.
	Wow.
	Who is this?
	So they want zero police at some point?
	They want the budgets to be zero.
	Yeah, just send in the social workers.
	They had some tough breaks.
	So crime without consequence.
	Yep.
	That's not what that means.
	That is not at all what that means.
	So you're saying you want murder to be legal?
	Well, yeah.
	Is that what you're saying?
	I want people rewarded.
	I want them financially.
	It's the same sort of like open border conversation.
	What I don't like is that like Democrats have like sort of adopted this whole thing about like open borders, but it's like, I don't know, is it ever like legal for people to cross illegally into our country?
	And the answer is no, right?
	But it's sort of the same thing that they're doing here with this.
	Like, you go to jail.
	There's no consequences for every crime.
	I can just walk out.
	It's just adopting this like nothing concept and just running with it.
	Like it's something.
	And it's like, it's only something to people who are fucking stupid.
	Have no concept of like what is happening in the world.
	Yeah.
	It was the most simple, straightforward, accurate thing said on this show ever.
	Yeah, let's let that sink in.
	And the criminalization of working class survival.
	Okay.
	Does that mean stealing?
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	You mean it's survival.
	The people, we just showed you the montage yesterday, threatening to beat shopkeepers up over the snap benefits lapsing right now during the shutdown.
	Yeah, because that shopkeeper, that local grocer, that bodega owner, they should pay for the fact that this person has been not gainfully employed for 10 years and thinks that they shouldn't pay for their Fanta.
	All right.
	So a little racism thrown in at the end.
	That's cool.
	Black people drink Fanta.
	A little touch of it.
	No.
	This has been a tough week for Crowder.
	I've been trying to play a little bit of catch-up, listening to the show more often.
	It makes I hate this fucking show I found out.
	Which is kind of crazy.
	I was like, oh man, this fucking sucks.
	And I don't like it.
	You know, there are times like when I'm working, I'm going to turn on something just to kind of focus, and I'll turn this on and go, what the fuck am I doing?
	it's exhausting well they're having they're having a tough week with this whole I don't know I think it's because they're not winning the whole government shutdown situation, which we'll talk about at the end of the show.
	But it's frustrating them and they're trying to find ways to like, I don't know.
	They created a new segment this week called Try Not to Be Racist.
	No, really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, no joke.
	They've done it for the past two days.
	And then it's just, they go, all right, let's go and begin.
	No, they didn't.
	Well, yeah, it'd be funny.
	It's the whole show.
	a countdown and just buzzer immediately yeah no basically they're showing tiktok clips of like you saw one the youtube search that they did before dave smith where they were Oh, my fucking shit.
	I think they were using ChatGPT to finish the sentence of popular searches this past week.
	Yeah, well, they were just taking, you know, like, they're making fun of the way that people of color talk.
	But doing his like 1950s drive talking thing that he does.
	Loves doing that.
	But also, like, they're horrified because like a dozen people said that as soon as the snap benefits run out, they're just going to go steal from stores on November 1st.
	This is new knockout game.
	Yeah.
	Because people are afraid that they're going to get their groceries stolen.
	It's a knockdown game.
	It's called Knock Down the Door game.
	I saw people saying that they're actually not going to go for food.
	They're going to go for the TVs.
	And it's like, what?
	What are you talking about?
	It's going to go to Target.
	Here's the thing: this is like the classic, would you steal food to feed your family moral debate?
	No, I would steal a Roku-enabled TCL 45-inch TV, of course.
	Of course.
	On sale, the rolling back prices at Walmart.
	I don't, listen, while I don't, I personally don't care if people steal food from Walmart who need food, I also don't think that this is going to happen.
	And this is just more racist fear-mongering.
	So here's my belief: my belief is that theft will happen.
	I'm not saying in a particular community.
	I'm saying that people who need food will now need to steal the food.
	Do you think it's going to be like a mass thing?
	No, no.
	I can't.
	I imagine.
	But I think you'll see shoplifting of food pick up.
	Maybe.
	I think that there's like a lot of like community.
	It's a racist thing.
	I don't believe that like, you know, it's only going to happen in this place.
	Not like that at all.
	I think it's going to happen everywhere.
	It's seen uptick.
	Like here in Texas, HEB is partnered with Meals on Wheels.
	A lot of feelings about it.
	I appreciate companies like this stepping up, the ones that can.
	I just don't think that these things should be privatized.
	Who decides who gets to eat a private company is not cool.
	But I do appreciate what they're doing.
	It's just sort of like as a long-term fix.
	HEB in Texas can't probably make this work long-term and they can't really foot the bill.
	They shouldn't have to.
	No, this is like a side.
	He's holding people hostage.
	He shouldn't be weaponizing people's hunger to try to flip them on the Democratic Party.
	It's fucked up.
	It really is, yeah.
	It's gross.
	And it's just frustrating that people don't see it for what it is.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think that a lot of people do, but, you know.
	I hope so.
	And we will talk about the support level.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think I'm with you, Jared.
	That one of my concerns with this is like you'll get a lot of these short stories about how like, hey, this company came together and supported their community and yada, yada, yada.
	And it's going to be one of those like dystopian stories like when like a kid takes a summer job to pay off his student loan debt for his cancer treatment.
	Good burger, right?
	This teen had to work 18 jobs to work or to get rid of his colon can to pay off his, yeah, to pay off his brother's lunch debt.
	Sure.
	You're going to have those feel-good stories, and the right is going to cling on to them so hard and be like, look at what we did with the bootstraps, bootstraps.
	Yeah, but and if it's a religious institution, all the more better.
	I've had friends who've been like, I've had conversations around healthcare, and they told me about some like religious thing that if I needed food, I'd go to my church and be like, well, I'm not religious.
	So I gotta tell you, boys, you all heard I quit my day job.
	Yeah, dude.
	Health insurance is expensive.
	Dude, I should have looked into that before I quit my job.
	Drug Doc Club.
	Wait till we do open enrollment tomorrow.
	I can't wait to take a peek and see what the hell's going on.
	Yeah, it's Halloween here, by the way.
	It will not be better.
	It's not better.
	Mine's going to be probably over $1,000 a month for this meeting model.
	God, it's insane.
	Yeah, I'm paying over $500 at this point.
	Let's fucking go, baby.
	Yeah.
	So I was saying really quick before we move too far away from this.
	Zaran doesn't want to quote unquote defund the police.
	Of course, they've always weaponized the definition of what defunding the police means.
	They don't mean zero.
	They mean let's not continue to pool all the resources into police.
	Let's see that we started the nation's first pilot program here in Austin this last week.
	What's it for?
	Pilots.
	For the defund the police.
	Oh, we voted on this some years ago, and they made us vote on it like several times.
	Are you sure you want to do this?
	Because it's been a year and we haven't figured out what to do with the money.
	Are you sure you want this?
	And so we kept voting.
	Yes, yes.
	We want to defund the police.
	The police were not happy about this, of course.
	Anyway, this week they started the first pilot program here in Austin that will now be the first the nation's first test in sending out like an alternative beat to these more like mental health type of issues, things that we can like work to de-escalate more than we need to like pull a gun out.
	Well, so Zaran wanted to, he wants to create the Department of Community Safety, which would apparently cost $1.1 billion annually with $600 million coming from existing programs.
	And they're going to get the money for the rest of this.
	These guys are fucking dumb.
	Listen.
	Excuse me?
	If the person who's coming doesn't have a gun, what will we do?
	Yeah, I can't shoot all these mentally ill people if I'm not there to shoot them.
	You're going to have an overpopulation of dogs.
	Haven't you seen these henchmen?
	They're doing flamethrowers, they're doing, remember when the Joker freaking pushed that guy through a pencil?
	Like, he did.
	Pushed him through it.
	Yeah.
	You remember that?
	That's crazy.
	It's a yeah, like he's a dancer.
	That was a cop.
	Yeah.
	And honestly, Blue Lives Matter, right?
	Right.
	Thin blue line.
	And the Joker is crossing it habitually.
	So I'm just saying that, like, you know, what are we doing here with these?
	But they just.
	Dennis is right.
	I mean, it's, it's, yeah, let's just say Dennis is right.
	And it's dishonest the way they frame defund the police.
	I've always been annoyed by that.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's just a branding problem.
	Yeah.
	You know, that's it.
	Yeah.
	But I think that it's shocking enough.
	You'll go, oh, what was that all about?
	But the people who need to pay attention don't pay attention.
	And I think that for a lot of people, they love the police until they get into a situation where the police doesn't care for them in the same way.
	Like they're like, oh, wait, what?
	I'm the baddie?
	And they're like, oh, shit, what do I do now?
	They got platiners all over themselves.
	Well, like, it's like you see someone with like a blue thin line license plate getting pulled over and then they like are like, you know who I am?
	Like they're flipping tired.
	I'm not driving.
	I'm traveling.
	Exactly.
	And I should say it's it's not just mental health crisis.
	That that's not just what the community safety department would be doing.
	Yeah, the docs, dude.
	Excuse me?
	Department's Department of Community Safety.
	Transit ambassadors, people in the subway.
	Like they don't need that many cops in the goddamn summit.
	I was in New York for like a week over the summer.
	They're just, we don't need stop and frisk style observance by police officers.
	What are you going to do about all the third-party cigarette sales?
	Excuse me, Lucy's?
	Yeah, Joe Camel black out on the streets.
	You're going to be wrecked if we aren't stopping Lucy.
	You guys are saying you got to get the freaking criminals out of the streets and they're letting everybody out.
	Well, Joe Camel's back out there and he's selling cigarettes to kids.
	And he looks cool.
	Yeah, he's got a cool leather jacket.
	He's got tassels.
	He's got a motorcycle.
	Sunglasses.
	He has a race car.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'll send you a picture.
	Is he into action sports?
	Is that what he's doing?
	He was doing Mountain Dew, but he's also ashing his cigarettes into the Mountain Dew bottle, occasionally forgetting taking a sip.
	But he says it gives him more powers.
	It says it gives him cigarette powers.
	So to the kids watching me do this, it gives me cigarette jokes.
	Well, yeah, and you can too.
	Homelessness outreach is a big part of what this community outreach would be.
	And cops do not need to be dealing with the homeless.
	They're not psychiatrists.
	They're not equipped to handle mental health crises.
	And that's a huge problem within homelessness as well.
	As a last-ditch effort, the police here, knowing that they're no longer going to be dealing with the homeless population as much now with this new community outreach program, they disappeared like three of them from our city this last week.
	Are you sure it's not the Rainy Street Ripper?
	It's actually they think the Rainy Street Ripper is freaking back also.
	We got another body in Ladybird Lake.
	We got a lot going on here right now.
	All right, and we got more clips.
	Sorry, everybody.
	What are we ranting?
	Yeah, dude.
	We're rant mode.
	They also want freedom for all incarcerated people.
	You know, for people who say things are really nuanced, all incarcerated people?
	You sure about that?
	Traffickers, rapists, murderers.
	Two of them.
	Jeffrey Dahmer?
	Bundy?
	Both of those guys are dead, Steven.
	They want rights, though, dude.
	They want the death tax to be waived.
	Yeah, I mean, I got to say, I don't know much about the DSA policy platform.
	I have a feeling that freedom for all incarcerated people, one, a bit ambitious, I should say, really.
	Jared, do you have any thoughts on that?
	I don't know what the general perspective would be, but.
	Sorry, ask me one second.
	I'm just sending you guys pictures of camel vehicles.
	Yeah, I see you're sending you Googled camel.
	No, no, no.
	One of them is from a friend sent me the camel car from Helena.
	Yeah, I see that.
	And then the yellow one is one that I saw in LA.
	A race car that I see that you've spotted.
	Sorry, ask me the question one more time.
	Oh, no, I was just saying that part of the DSA's platform is freedom of all incarcerated people.
	So I don't know what exactly that means or looks like, but I do know that it's probably more worthy of expanding the concept in a long-form kind of way, right?
	Let's look at it.
	When I think about freedom of incarcerated people, I'm not necessarily saying they need to be freed.
	I'm saying that they need to be able to exercise freedoms like voting.
	I've always been a believer that no matter what, even if you're a criminal, you should be able to vote.
	I mean, yeah, I think that you should have a right to that.
	It's just funny, though.
	I just pulled up something from October 5th saying the DSA's most aggressive demands are gone with no explanation.
	Whoa.
	Yeah, that's all I can see on here.
	It seems like they've actually changed their platform, and this is misinformation, I guess, that Steven needs to admonish, maybe, right?
	He should admonish it for sure.
	Oh, is that normal?
	Is that what he usually does?
	That he would correct something and then admonish it?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Does he get it wrong often?
	I don't remember.
	He never gets it wrong.
	Of course not.
	Things change.
	Internet archives, also known as the Wayback Machine from 2021.
	Freedom for all incarcerated people, freedom all people from involuntary confinement.
	You shouldn't be here unjustly, is what that's saying.
	Abolition of the car serial state, which is like, yeah, we live in a fucking prison planet.
	That sucks.
	Let's not do that.
	We should probably strive to defund the police by cutting budgets annually towards zero, which is, I think, good because we would be directing that into more community efforts to restoring a balance and rehabilitative justice.
	Disarm law enforcement officers, including police and private security.
	Yeah, because we don't want fucking guns waved in our faces by these dipshits who don't have to go to fucking school as long as you do to get a fucking tattoo license in every state in America.
	Stop funding of new buildings and close local jails.
	Yeah, because private jails and private prisons should be illegal.
	And we don't need new ones.
	We already have these ones that stand, and I'm sure we'll figure out how to repurpose.
	End all misdemeanor offenses accounting for 80% of total.
	So these are actually not part of the current DSA policy plan.
	But this is what he's pulling from.
	I mean, like, these are like makes sense.
	He's pulling from the main website still, which is interesting to me.
	It's just, I think, more of a some of these policies have been removed, which is interesting.
	It's just so.
	I bet you wouldn't want to give Trump freedom, though.
	No, no.
	If he was convicted of 34 felonies of falsifying a document, you got to throw away the key.
	Yeah, for lock him up in the hole.
	Yeah, for trying to pay less on property taxes while he paid the bank back with interest and they'd like to do another loan.
	No, no.
	But the people who commit violent crimes and masturbate on you on the subway, they should be let out because you know what?
	They probably had a dad who didn't hug them enough.
	No.
	No.
	The opposite of that.
	Sexual crimes are violent crimes.
	Violent crimes are violent crimes.
	These are things that when they say what we just said here, free all people from involuntary confinement.
	Voluntary confinement would be being found guilty or saying that you're guilty.
	Period.
	And so violent crimes like that would be prosecuted the same.
	Like you would just go to jail for this.
	Yeah.
	So shouldn't you?
	She's advocating for just, you know, oh, you stabbed somebody?
	Cool.
	You just stay out.
	And you don't even need to say sorry, actually.
	Yeah, you don't have to say sorry at all.
	And also, I think it's worth noting that in situations like this, the prison system, if it's at capacity and it's too full, you'll have a situation where like, all right, cool.
	We've got like a judge and they have to like pick like which is the worst criminal for me to let in and which bad ones do I let out.
	Is it Sandman or the Joker?
	Exactly.
	That puts people in those positions.
	Neither.
	It's me, Skeleton.
	Hey, he's busting out.
	He's in there too.
	That's crazy.
	Yes.
	That's like the thing.
	It's like, you can't just lock up everything because you can't lock up all the super villains, honestly.
	There's probably room for them, right?
	No, I do hear what you're saying.
	I'm sorry to make a joke on that.
	No, no, it's great.
	Demilitarize the police and colonial policing of our cities and neighborhoods.
	Well, that puts an end to Pilgrim Patrol.
	Yeah, that's just, I mean, you know, I get they have a point there.
	Pilgrim patrol, that was Snaggle Puss.
	That's a different cartoon, bro.
	I don't know what character he's trying to be.
	I mean, it's kind of gay.
	He's kind of doing gay voice, but it's just it's bad.
	It's kind of weird, too.
	I don't know if you know this.
	And also, that's intensely racist.
	You know who has it toughest in a lot of these cities?
	Black cops.
	You know that?
	In Detroit and Detroit riots, black cops had to go home and unmarked cars because they had a target on them.
	Let's say you remove all policing because it's something, something colonialism.
	Okay.
	You think there won't be policing in that neighborhood?
	You think vacuums don't get filled?
	It's going to be a warlord, dummy.
	So when we're talking about community governance and policing, I'm in Canada and now I'm in Michigan.
	When it matters, like just jumping back and forth, you know?
	Sure, I see what you're doing.
	Now I care about Detroit, cops.
	Now I'm in Canada, cop.
	I love that he gets to duel like that, right?
	That's a good move.
	I mean, it is an interesting point to say that black cops did have unique challenges during the BLM movement, right?
	But honestly, I guess ACAB, right?
	Even if you're a black guy.
	Especially if you're a black guy, ACAB.
	That's what he's saying.
	Yeah, I just.
	I'm from Canada right now.
	I hate these Detroit cops.
	He thinks that we're going to have like Brazilian neighborhood warlords if there's less police with guns on the streets.
	Exactly.
	Here's the thing.
	Listen, if you call the cops in a tropical, who does show up?
	The guy who's going to own your house because you pay him so much money.
	Yeah, you have to pay him cash before he protects you.
	Yeah.
	This is insane.
	He thinks that he thinks New York is going to be a policeless militia-run hellhole.
	I heard that if you stop putting people in prison in New York, all the buildings just crumble like in The Last of Us.
	And the streets are lined with victims of knockout games.
	Exactly.
	Well, really.
	I think he's kind of drawn back.
	If you guys recall, in 1997, a major war between the United States and the Soviet Union was concluding.
	And the entire island of Manhattan has been converted into a giant maximum security prison.
	When Air Force One is hijacked and crashed into the island, the president, Donald Trump, of course, is taken hostage by a group of inmates.
	And what?
	Snake freaking Plisskin, a formal specialist there?
	Force's soldier turned into a criminal is recruited to retrieve President Donald Trump in exchange for his own freedom.
	President Donald Trump?
	Oh, that's actually Donald Pleasance or something.
	I know it's the actor as Donald Pleasance plays the president.
	Oh, no, Kurt Russell, dude.
	You're talking about Kurt Russell.
	The plot sounds a lot like the film Escape from New York.
	I'm pretty sure that that's a documentary about the future.
	Yeah.
	That's crazy.
	Honestly, I can't wait.
	Freaking Isaac Hayes was there, dude.
	They also want freedom of working class self-organization and democratic political action.
	Great.
	Do it.
	And then, however it works out, we don't have to subsidize it.
	Oh, that's right.
	We can't do that either.
	Invest in community self-governance and care, not cops.
	Okay, what?
	So you want a blank check to run the neighborhoods like Chaz.
	All right.
	I mean, we talked about that, right?
	Community policing, self-governance, not cops.
	Totally.
	It's worth it investing.
	You know, if you have communities that are strong communities, there will be less crime and less need for funding for.
	Yeah, if you care about the people around you, you know, I think everyone benefits.
	Yeah, well, I also, I think that the goal is kind of like, man, I wish that we didn't need cops.
	Wouldn't that be cool?
	Yeah.
	Instead of saying we need more cops and bigger communities.
	I don't think the goal is necessarily like just yank the carpet out.
	Back to Aladdin.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No, it's just, I think, an extremely, you know, scared, selfish, privileged take that they're having.
	Totally.
	They don't experience any of this stuff.
	They live in suburban Dallas, right?
	Yeah, they deal with their neighbor parking oddly.
	They don't even go into these cities that they think are crime-ridden.
	No, of course not.
	But they don't understand the problems that communities like this are facing.
	Yeah.
	So they don't have a right to say anything.
	So I kind of want to return to the wild west.
	Like, you're going to have a bunch of white guys out there with guns protecting their families and other black guys, Hispanic guys, everybody.
	Weird slip.
	Just quick pause.
	He thinks all cowboys are white because he only watches Western shows.
	Andy's racist.
	And they're not going to be too concerned about Miranda rights or getting it right.
	They're going to be concerned about making sure a threat is stopped.
	You think that's better?
	Yeah, well, you know.
	More realistically, you're going to see things like a white guy walk into the wrong neighborhood and then the call to prayer is played because nobody's stopping that.
	And you don't stop, so you get beat up.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	You know what else?
	Because you're disrespecting Islam.
	Right.
	Or a guy makes a caricature.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And all of a sudden he's hauled off and thrown off the Brooklyn Bridge.
	Whoa.
	Josh.
	That's serious, bro.
	I feel like someone wrote that for him, right?
	Like, there's no way that he's, well, I guess he was in Afghanistan or Iraq, right?
	He was deployed.
	So maybe he does have a little bit of Islamophobia that he's letting run.
	Certainly possible.
	Whoops, I accidentally, I just happened to draw a caricature of Mohammed.
	Maybe just don't.
	Like, I don't know.
	But it looks like the freaking Statue of Liberty.
	What do you think of that, America?
	He just whips this as his little piece of paper in there.
	Just shouts it from the corner.
	And they're like, it's fine.
	Just go away.
	I'm not anticipating being beaten up while walking through a neighborhood that is practicing.
	He doesn't freaking think he's freaking Charlie Haribo, if anything.
	I think it's Hebdo, but I do like the Hebdo.
	It is.
	I say he looks like a damn gummy bear.
	It's Halloween, baby.
	Yeah, he looks like a gosh darn twin snake over there, right?
	A cherry being.
	Don't tread on me.
	Especially yellow bag.
	It's kind of cool.
	You guys know how might is right turns out, right?
	You guys understand that?
	Because that's kind of what we see now only in some kind of a controlled or organized fashion where you have armed police to ensure that you don't just have lawless citizens with the most amount of might.
	Keep in mind, too, this is very important because this is top-down.
	This is not just someone has an opinion.
	53%, right?
	532,000 of funds that Mamdani raised in the last five weeks, they came from outside New York City.
	There are external forces that want this guy to win.
	Well, there's external forces that want Andrew Cuomo to win as well.
	And that would be the president, let's say.
	Yeah, right.
	A lot of money.
	A lot of money coming from outside for Andrew Cuomo.
	It's also acting like the mayor of New York has no impact on the rest of the country.
	It definitely does.
	It's obviously not as extreme, but it has a huge impact.
	Well, it can't be both, right?
	Like, it can't be detrimental to the success of the country as well.
	It doesn't matter.
	To joke, yeah.
	The police are not safe for everyone.
	I was just looking at.
	I'm sorry, just to like say, but like.
	Yeah.
	I keep getting messages from like other states of people, like this winsome Earl Sears, Republican woman in the Virginia gubernatorial race, I think.
	And her fucking bus burnt down today, I guess.
	Oh, God.
	But she's asking me, somebody with a number that's not a Virginia number, for money.
	So, does he think that this is like new?
	Yeah, like, hey, for whatever reason, I'm on a list for Republicans.
	Donald Trump texts me this week, too, actually.
	But yeah, big dom.
	It's me, your favorite president.
	Big daddy boy.
	Yeah, so people, you get on these lists and these people are asking you for money.
	And if you people are donating cash all over the place, I don't know why he thinks this is like new or weird.
	Yeah, he definitely is acting like this has never happened in the history of elections.
	What is this?
	A super PAC called Fix the City gave Cuomo $40 million.
	What the hell?
	Oh, wow.
	What the hell?
	What the hell?
	That's crazy.
	Out-of-state billionaire donors to Fix the City?
	Steve Wynn, Alice Walton, and Joe Gebagul.
	Gabiung, the founder of Airbnb, gave two $1 million donations.
	I guess I'm a Verbo guy now.
	Yeah, it's pretty wild.
	I think they're probably owned by the same guy.
	I'm just getting really tired.
	I got to move around.
	Give me a lavalier mic on Dennis.
	I just got to get some sleep.
	I like to go to sleep.
	We got just a couple clips.
	Yep, Dennis is going to drink water to stay awake.
	I got the freaking Viagra Boys and Stereo Lab co-headlining tomorrow.
	Oh, damn.
	That's going to be a good thing.
	The freaking black lips are opening.
	Ooh, I got sexually assaulted by the black lips.
	No, I don't think you're alone in that.
	I think they sexually assaulted a whole country, if I remember correctly.
	They have.
	Wow.
	Yeah, and they're still playing music, huh?
	No, the guy was, he was doing a guitar solo with his penis.
	Yeah, that sounds like your face.
	It's a little different.
	Humph Joyface Bear because I was in the front there.
	Do you remember the Vice doc where they go to shit, maybe it's like India or something like that, and they throw their guitars and pull their dicks out?
	You know, I didn't see the Vice documentary, but I'm aware of their antics.
	I know.
	Also, one of them would vomit all the time on stage.
	Cole.
	Didn't see that, but I was assaulted.
	I watched the meat puppets standing next to that guy one time.
	Yeah, how did you was it fine?
	He had a big jacket on.
	I'm talking way too big to be wearing that jacket inside.
	All right, we're not cutting Dennis getting.
	What are you?
	David Byrne in that jacket?
	I don't think so.
	Daddyo?
	Okay.
	You're sucking game shows?
	Nope.
	You know what this feels like?
	It feels like a prequel to a Batman series.
	Yes, it does.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And he's.
	This is how Gotham became Gotham.
	Exactly.
	He elected a Muslim mayor and a socialist.
	But don't, I mean, people may want to go like, oh, well, that's just the DSA.
	Well, the DSA's backing him, so he's inexorably tied to them.
	Oh, that's just an older video.
	Okay, yeah.
	That's kind of weird.
	Remember when the Klu Klux Klan decided to support Donald Trump?
	You remember that?
	Who's the guy?
	The leader, the former.
	David Duke was a huge.
	He was a huge fan of Donald Trump.
	I don't know what he's.
	Yeah, we already made this joke earlier.
	Josh, we're talking about freaking Clay Face and whether or not it's going to be him or, I don't know, Scarecrow getting out of jail next.
	Yeah, I wish I had a deeper knowledge of Batman villains.
	Well, we can talk Dick Tracy, guys.
	We got Pruneface and, you know, that's the only one I know, actually.
	You're right.
	I've got a Google search going.
	Is Bane a socialist?
	What about Mr. Freeze, dude?
	Oh, fuck.
	Ivy.
	Flat top is poison Ivy, dude.
	The answer from Perplexity says it's complicated.
	I should say I need to actually cancel my subscription to Perplexity because Perplexity has been a sponsor of Steven's show the past few weeks, unfortunately.
	Well, I was thinking a lot about this recently when I think about our funny Rumble ads.
	I wonder how many are just targeted and fed by an ad exchange.
	I mean, in general, yeah, it's probably just a low-quality ad exchange.
	But no, Steven, it's a direct sponsorship.
	He's directly being like when I need to check my bigoted beliefs, I go to provide.
	Well, they've been doing this thing where they're like, you would think that we would be asking for donations, but we like to give something back.
	Basically, what they do is they give, I think, 10 people in their chat room.
	It's almost like when you gift subs in Twitch.
	Are they gifting like Perplexity?
	Perplexity is paying for their Rumble premium subs, basically.
	But also, there's no value to that.
	It doesn't matter.
	What?
	You get commercial-free Rumble.
	I promise you, the people in his chat, they don't go to Perplexity.
	Of course not.
	They don't understand that.
	They go, chat GP, what?
	And stuff like that.
	Exactly.
	They use Venice.
	I'm just using it to find out about who is Flat Top Jones Sr., who's Lip Manless, Gravel Gertie, Tess Tracy, Sparkle Plenty.
	That's a good name.
	Yeah, I like that.
	I mean, yeah, I don't think it's Muslims that created the long Halloween in the Dark Knight world, you know?
	I haven't seen the Dark Knight film.
	Well, this is from the comic book, and I only know that because my friend told me about the long Halloween, which was when the Arkham Asylum basically ran Gotham.
	It was, yeah.
	I think it's, listen, I don't know anything about this stuff.
	But I do know that Mamdani is not Bane.
	He is Bane, dude.
	Why don't you dress up like Bane for Halloween?
	That would be so cool.
	New Yorkers, I'm giving you a rent freeze.
	He's Mr. Rent Freeze instead.
	That'd be kind of cool, right?
	So this is fun because the shutdown before this happened, everyone was saying, okay, what's this?
	What kind of effect is this going to have on the midterms, right?
	Was this political suicide for the Republicans?
	And really, it was a game of not just chicken, but who's going to receive the blame?
	And I will tell you, it's actually surprising even to me, but it's really surprising to Harry Enton at CNN.
	Day 29 of the government shutdown, some new polls.
	I can't believe we didn't have a stinger before.
	It's time for Enton surprise.
	Look at the net approval ratings for Republicans in Congress.
	Needing in the Donald Trump support at all.
	Look at where we are now.
	It's a complete flip!
	What the fuck was that noise?
	What?
	Home Alone.
	This is from Home Alone?
	Yep.
	Oh, Harry.
	Yeah, one of the sticky bandits.
	Or Wet Bandits.
	Yeah, the Wet Bandits.
	Sticky in the second movie, which is arguably better because Donald Trump's in it, of course.
	Harry, what?
	Harry Enton.
	What?
	He's the best part.
	37-year-old guy that apparently he's a data guru at CNN.
	He gave some numbers that Steven and a lot of people are latching on to.
	Even though, even looking at recent polls, most Americans still blame Donald Trump and the GOP for the government shutdown.
	The GOP could open the government immediately.
	Yeah, but they do these big circuits, circuses.
	They don't want to because they don't want to end the filibuster.
	They told me we could open it up right now.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And also.
	The illegals are getting health care.
	No, of course not, because illegals can't get health care.
	Well, I think, you know.
	We're snapping, of course.
	And I'm sorry.
	I don't like calling them illegals.
	I'm just saying it the way they do.
	I have a huge pet peeve with all of this because it's, of course, each side is going to have the reasons they won't push back.
	I just agree with the reasons why of the network more.
	And it's good to understand that.
	Yeah.
	But you also don't need to lie.
	Yeah, well, basically, people are going to be like, they're like, listen, I don't care if I lose my premium tax credit as long as the illegals don't get health care.
	I'm willing to pay more so that they can't take my money.
	What?
	What are you talking about?
	Well, it's just, yeah, they just nonsense.
	The Republicans literally could open it up today if they wanted.
	They don't because they don't want to end the filibuster, which makes sense.
	They're not being perceived very well, even though Steven is going to try to argue that they are for the next, I don't know, until the end of this episode.
	Cool.
	According to, I believe this is a Washington Post and the ABC, pardon me, survey.
	If it was CBS, they could trust it, right?
	Yeah, dude, unfortunately not.
	45% of the U.S. adults say that the president and the Republicans are to blame, and 33% say that it's the Democrats.
	22% of participants say, what is a government shutdown?
	I honestly don't know what's going on.
	Which I wish more people were like that, honestly.
	Yeah, what are we doing, right?
	Yeah, 30 days in, this guy, Harry Enton, is saying that, and it could be a margin of error, but it's certainly not going down, that inside of the GOP, that there is more support for this government shutdown.
	And we'll hear him talk about that, I guess, while everyone celebrates and laughs and giggles over it.
	So here he is with the results as to how badly Democrats are thinking.
	They're the ones who are being blamed for the shutdown and Republicans, because they're making gains.
	You might think, given that the Republicans are in charge of both the House and the Senate, that a government shutdown might actually hurt the Republican brand.
	But in fact, it hasn't.
	If anything, it even helped a little bit.
	Let's take a look here.
	The shift in net popularity versus pre-shutdown.
	When we're looking at the Republican Party overall, that brand actually up two points.
	That's within the margin of error, but clearly it hasn't dropped.
	Come over to this side of the screen.
	Look at the net approval ratings for Republicans in Congress.
	It's actually not a five to the moon.
	It's pre-shutdown.
	So what we're seeing here is the Republican brand in Congress has actually improved somewhat compared to where we were pre-shut down.
	I just, he just, it's contagious.
	He's like, look, wowza.
	I wish I was excited, that excited every day about everything.
	I know.
	It's like, it's a five-point.
	I mean, it's good, but he's like, what?
	Can you believe it?
	Well, we kind of can, but now you make me feel like I shouldn't, and I'm excited again.
	I feel like the other guy's taken away from him, too, because the other guy's not nearly as excited.
	He's not excited at all, actually.
	No, he's just very stoic.
	He's just standing there.
	Yeah, because it's 2% and 5%.
	Huge.
	Just imagine the camera going back and forth between the two of them, Steven saying whatever, and then Josh saying, Yeah, I wish I was having that much fun all the time.
	And he's like slowly buttoning up the Hitler costume again.
	And it cuts back to him.
	Cuts back to Steven.
	Steven says whatever.
	And then it cuts back to Josh, and he's like putting the shoe polish mustache under his nose.
	Of course.
	Yeah, he's just kind of makeup in his face.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, Josh.
	It can't all be, every day can't be Halloween, I guess.
	Yeah, it's been.
	I also, I mean, I have so many doubts about that, whatever poll they were talking about.
	I mean, yeah, apparently GOP poll numbers are up.
	Let me see what they're saying.
	That's not just with Republicans, but also independents.
	But everything that I've seen, including polls from the last couple days, don't say that at all.
	So I don't know exactly what this Harry Enton fellow is saying on CNN.
	And maybe that's why his, whoever, the co-host that he was with that was being a party pooper is not really biting because it doesn't seem to be talking about this later.
	What are you talking about?
	This is kind of odd.
	I don't know.
	Either way, in general, you're not going to make up the ground that says that 45% of U.S. adults believe Republicans and the president are responsible.
	Even if we're just looking at GOP support in general, not of the shutdown.
	What 2% support of what inside the GOP?
	I don't know.
	Just general support of the GOP has gone up.
	I mean, that may be, again, it's within the statistical range, but it also could just be people who are unaware of what the government shutdown is.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	So I don't know.
	I don't know how this happens.
	Comment below.
	Because I will tell you, I'm the guy who says, we shouldn't have SNAP at all.
	Do away with it.
	And Republicans basically want some kind of work requirements for a lot of these social safety net benefits.
	So you would think that they would be blamed for at least that.
	Democrats have been so bad at political strategy that it is the Democrat Party being blamed for the lapse in snap benefits.
	Think about that.
	Do we have that collage there?
	Collage?
	No, do we not have Jones is just thinking about life.
	Collage A1.
	Look at this.
	I'm moving too fast.
	Wow.
	Think about that.
	And I'm not going to tell you to think about exactly when that plane is flying over the place that they're at and not telling you to triangulate that and let me know where they are.
	We don't need to dox the location of the studio, but it is interesting that they have a lot of planes.
	Soundproofing issue.
	Their studios by the airport, apparently.
	Seeing a lot of fucked up helicopter stuff this week.
	Do you think maybe we could maybe there'll be a crash and it'll be much easier to triangulate, you know?
	Well, if that happens, then Steven's certainly got a Halloween costume this year, right?
	It sounds like it.
	Let's do some sort of just tragedy dressed up as general tragedy.
	Reported for duty.
	Oh, I do love that show.
	Yeah, if you want to launch double slitsgo shark.club, it's free there.
	We do need to do another one of those.
	We do.
	We've got new songs.
	Yeah, we do.
	You know, we got a story we got to cover this week.
	My buddy wrote a story for the Great Falls Press, and it made it all the way to the Daily Wire, I think.
	Oh, wow.
	Cool.
	That's my favorite news outlet.
	Maybe not The Wire.
	What's the other Daily Mail?
	I think, actually.
	Stormer?
	Yeah, I hope not.
	The Daily Planet.
	A Snap benefits, though.
	That's kind of cool, right?
	Let's starve these kids and families and old people and the disabled.
	And I hate that people act like people on Snap Don't Work.
	Well, so many of them are.
	I'd say a majority of 95, 99.9% of people at stephencrowder.com.
	Yeah.
	It'll show you all the stats.
	Yeah, I talked to one guy whose cousin was on it, and I swear to God, I saw that guy change a dire away.
	I bought so much of his food stamps off of him for 50 cents on the dollar.
	Yeah.
	So I'm just saying I was contributing to the problem, so I know it exists.
	So fuck y'all.
	Poor people have the problem.
	This time, it's like the more Donald Trump seems not to care about this and not address it at the very least.
	Cares about some of the issues caused by it, obviously.
	I don't know about that.
	The more that we're just like sticking to our guns, the more it seems like they're becoming more popular.
	Even though Snap McGedden is on, what, Saturday?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think what's happening is people are finally, because the government shutdown has been 29 days now.
	So people are like, oh, I've had time to actually look into this.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	That's a good point.
	And I'm hearing this.
	Oh, it's the Republicans' fault.
	It's the Republicans' fault.
	What do they do?
	Well, okay, they voted.
	They have the House.
	They have the Senate.
	Okay, so what's going on?
	Oh, there's this thing in the bill that they refuse to take out, and they're denying that it's even in there.
	Right.
	And I can go look at it myself and see that it's in there.
	Yeah.
	And then they go, okay.
	And then they gaslight them and go, no, no, no.
	That's not what it's the Republicans.
	Right.
	They own the house.
	They own the Senate.
	Why can't they vote on it?
	Well, because they want you to take that crap about the illegal aliens hellcare out.
	Yeah.
	And that's an 80-20 rule.
	Right now they're having to defend this 20% position where they're going, like, no, no, no, no.
	Yeah, it's worth the shutdown to make sure that illegal aliens get healthcare benefits.
	These people are so dense and they don't want to know anything.
	If you can lie, if they can lie about it, then we can lie about it.
	And all they have to say is, well, you have the majority and you're keeping it closed.
	So it's really like that easy.
	They're using their logic.
	That's not even a lie.
	They could open it.
	Right, they could.
	But it's like, but they, but them not contending with that fact is just like, that's all you have to say.
	It's like, well, who has the majority?
	Case closed.
	Conversation's over.
	It's just using like a more clear structure of like truth while it not being like the full scope of the truth, right?
	It's like, it's more true than what they're saying, but it's not exactly that, you know?
	Well, the truth, the truth, it's undocumented immigrants are not eligible for these programs.
	They never have been.
	Well, I'm saying, I guess what I'm saying or referring to is that like they need six Democrats to agree with them to like reopen it, but no Democrats crossing that line, right?
	So, but it's like, okay, well, that doesn't really matter because the truth, you could fucking throw that shit out.
	It doesn't matter here.
	So you have the majority and you're fucking it up.
	Volley in your side.
	What are you going to say new otherwise?
	They're just going to lie.
	They're just going to keep lying.
	But what's the, I guess like, what's the counter?
	Because they're saying like Democrats, Democrats are keeping it closed.
	And it's like, no, you're keeping it closed.
	And here's why.
	So then, you know what I mean?
	Again, they're telling the people the reason is because of Democrats wanting to give free health care to illegal aliens.
	They're like bringing in drugs and raping and killing your daughters.
	And I guess that's like my issue with this is that there's like that the counter is like not being said in front of like that dipshit Mike Johnson, right?
	It's like, okay, contend with this is why we're not doing it.
	So what say you to this?
	And then just like, what is the pivot?
	Like, how, how far can you make these guys pivot, you know, or circle themselves more so that they're like dig the ground with their feet, basically?
	I mean, yeah, I don't know what the answer to that is.
	That's what I'm saying.
	We're coming at it from an interesting position because like, the defense so far has just been to lie.
	And how do you really compete with that other than repeat the fact that yeah, it's like, if you can't add more information to this, then like, what are you even like arguing about?
	Because it's like, here's the information that's false.
	Now, reply to this false information.
	I think it's important to fully explain what is the.
	The reality right, like the.
	The health care that they're asking to be restored is eligibility for lawfully present immigrants, which are refugees, asylums and people with temporary protected status and on work visas to have access to well, I guess, when they lose Medicaid things.
	Yeah, the problem is that people I I mean people like Steven just disagree that these are legal immigrants.
	Right, like that.
	I think that's people talk about it all the time and you'll say uh, do you think it's okay that non-citizens have snap?
	And they'll be like no, of course not.
	I'm like they're here legally, they have the rights of us.
	Yeah, and and and that's that's the, the thing that also needs to be further explained, but that's just.
	There's no, there's no quippy, snappy way to do that right, the problem is is that when, when people like Steven and people like Trump use the term illegal aliens, then once you say, should non-citizens get snapped, they just think illegal aliens.
	Yeah, of course it's a branding thing.
	Yeah exactly, it's just.
	It's like hey listen, every time I snap my fingers you're going to think of an illegal alien.
	Sure, that's basically what it is.
	I guess it would be like okay well, what happens when, like one of the white South Afrikaners come here pregnant and they haven't been like, fully processed through any sort of system, should they also get turned away for, you know, like having having an anchor baby or whatever, or like like someone that you agree with, that they're like, or I, I don't know someone who's here like on vacation from Norway, and they happen.
	But the problem is that that anchor baby came here the right way.
	Yeah, because they were, because they were planning on going home, like they were just coming over here to enjoy Disney World, and then, you know, the mom wrote a roller coaster, nine months pregnant, had a anchor baby.
	You know wow, and I I don't know.
	I mean, it's just sort of like the nuance of all of this stuff.
	It just is like, you know, I again I was saying this is for stupid people, stupid people believe this shit.
	It's shocking to me that we're in a place where people can just like actively lie right.
	The government website showing the timeline of the White House has Hunter Biden, like they have the discovery of cocaine at the White House.
	He doesn't say him, but it's just a picture of him.
	It's a picture of him.
	How can you do that?
	It's psychotic.
	I love it because it's like, I don't know, man.
	Your son probably left that during your first term.
	Don Jr. with his fucking grindy jaw every time you see him on fucking TV.
	Yeah, the guy who's always dipping pinky in his pocket, rubbing on the gums.
	There's nothing that you could be rubbing on your gums that isn't cocaine.
	Oh, I broke a Zin open in my pocket.
	I do C4, dude.
	And I'm rubbing the Zinn.
	The Zin flakes into my teeth.
	There you go, dude.
	Yeah.
	Snap, right?
	I've got a bunch of shredded beef jerky so that I can pack my lid with meat.
	I just got a fun dip, dude.
	Oh, that's got a ghost dip in there.
	Yeah, well, I ate all the stick.
	I got a pocket, I got a pocket full of fun dip.
	Okay.
	Oh, man.
	I tell you what.
	But all of this snapshit is just all the shutdown stuff.
	It's just racism.
	It's literally just racism.
	People are willing to abandon the idea of getting a premium tax credit simply so that they can take away health care from somebody else that's not even getting health care.
	Because no matter what, no matter what, if you take somebody in to the ER and they're like, I'm going to die if I don't get healthcare, they'll get healthcare.
	Of course.
	Regardless of what happens now.
	And they should.
	Of course they should.
	And that's the thing that I think people like, when you approach that with them, most people will agree, yeah, I'm not going to die in the street.
	I'm just going to make it so that it costs us way more money and costs them way more money.
	Everyone costs more money.
	It's like when a parent would throw away their kid's toy so neither could play with it.
	Oh, yeah.
	If you're in a fight over it, then I guess no one gets it.
	Yeah, that's kind of what it feels like.
	Even though it's a big computer.
	We now have the playbook.
	And I've been here for a long time and I've been screaming since 2008.
	Like, you're doing it wrong to Republicans.
	We know now.
	They used to say, like, hey, you know what?
	We got to push the diversity thing.
	You don't want to appear to be racist.
	No, no, no.
	If you just don't care, if you say, no, no, no, we're going to say, we're going to say what we actually believe.
	We want a society that, by the way, actually has reverence for our Christian roots and European heritage.
	Yeah, we're not afraid of that.
	If you say, you know, you know what?
	No, no snap at all.
	They say like, well, we don't want to turn off that voting base.
	Remember Mitt Romney when he said 47% about people who didn't pay federal income tax?
	Because he looks like such an elitist.
	But now you go, no snap.
	How about that?
	People respect it more.
	Stephen has a really hard time saying what he really means for someone who's saying, I'm just going to come out and say it.
	I'm a racist guy.
	I'm sick of people being mad at me because of my Christian faith and my European heritage.
	I know that he's knocking them all out apart.
	He's racist.
	He's a nationalist, and he's a Matt.
	When it's convenient.
	I'm Canadian when it comes to candy.
	Wonderful.
	Just a white Christian nationalist.
	That's just what he said.
	And I'm tired of hiding it.
	You know who said it first?
	Nick Fuentes.
	So how's that ass taste, Stephen?
	Oh, my God.
	I hadn't even considered this.
	Like, this is him trying to cash in.
	Yeah.
	Can I talk to these kids also?
	Yeah, and it's not going to work, Stephen, just so you know.
	Your audience is tall, 45-year-old guys with stained shirts.
	Yes.
	Well, both stained shirts and stained shirts.
	They would treat him worse than Charlie Kirk because he's more cringe than he could ever fucking imagine being.
	Yeah, like, listen.
	Charlie Kirk was honest in his cringe.
	You know what I mean?
	Stephen Kirk is embarrassed.
	He's just trying to eat that ass, man.
	That's all it is.
	Steven has this like musk of insecurity that just like radiates off.
	Oh, he totally does.
	He definitely got some like beta energy because people like when you think about this though, is when we heard Dave say this shit to him on that interview, you know, Steve, people were saying to me about you and just rubbing that in his face because I think that he's identified that that's like a huge insecurity of him.
	He doesn't have the respect of his peers, you know, like that because his peers can have these conversations where they're not like, you know, he's covering his mouth and snickering at them behind the screen, which is just, or sitting cross-legged in a bar ordering fucking milk.
	You know what I mean?
	Like he doesn't have the respect of the people in this fucking scene.
	So like, yeah, let me talk to this fucking kid who's like, what, 22 years old, and his audience is like smarter than like every single person combined in the room that Steven's sitting in.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, and maybe, you know, just because of like the their ability to parrot somebody who's smarter than them in Nick Fuentes.
	But yeah, this is clearly like, you know, Nick was on fucking Tucker yesterday.
	Tucker this, yeah, this week.
	I've been banging the drum of Nick Fuentes for a while.
	He's been the scariest top of my list for a very long time.
	It's coming true at this point.
	And Steven is trying to cash in on this.
	He's like, well, listen, if I just say that I'm a racist guy, maybe that'll work for me.
	Maybe that's maybe that's marketable.
	Well, I think that's what I think he's trying to do.
	Well, it's worth a shot.
	What else is there at this point?
	His nights of the round table is like less cool because it's an empty gun holster, but it's still sort of the same like energy.
	You know what I mean?
	Sure, sure.
	It's just King Arthur shit.
	What if he has an AR 15 in the stone?
	The dad told us so bad.
	Yeah, it's like a big holster, a stone holster.
	Someone has to die if this comes out.
	Someone's got to make.
	I bet Sora can make that.
	And as you pull it out, it's like.
	People's legs backwards.
	That's an XXI.
	Excalibur.
	Oh, just instead of a XX caliber.
	All right.
	That's pornographic.
	And this is our last clip.
	And I've seen it with Christianity.
	I would see this because early on in sort of YouTube, there was no conservatives, but there were atheists.
	It was pretty much by default liberal atheists.
	And there were some Christian apologists.
	And it was too easy to debunk the sort of modern whitewashed Protestant Christianity where they would go, well, God is love.
	And you know what?
	The atheists would go, yeah, but you don't even believe that because your God has killed millions of people.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	And so the approach, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we do serve a God who has killed millions of evil people.
	And he talks about exalting the righteous.
	We're not saying that we serve a pacifist God.
	Let's be honest about what the Bible says.
	Let's be honest about what our beliefs are.
	Yep, Second Amendment.
	It should be across the board.
	What about dead kids?
	Well, you take far more lives than you save with your gun control policy.
	No snap whatsoever.
	What about people who've had some tough breaks?
	That is a very, very small percentage.
	And now, thank God, we have TikTok and people are saying out loud themselves what we have known to be true.
	Snap, EBT, government programs.
	If you were just to throw a pin on the list of names collecting these benefits, throw a dart, you would most likely end up with someone who could work but chooses not to, who is fully able-bodied but claims they are disabled, who is obese and it's their own fault and they still want you to pay for their snap, their EBT.
	This guy's getting a little too Oliver Anthony for me.
	He really is.
	And I guess, listen, if you threw a dart, you would most likely hit a child, Stephen.
	Because according to, what is this from?
	This is from the fns.usda.gov research of the finance records of that site before I know if you trust it.
	It's the characteristics of snap households fiscal year 2023, which is the most recent one that we have.
	And it states that in terms of everyone who is receiving SNAP in their household, 34.3% receive those benefits because they have children that they need assistance with.
	Those kids should get working.
	Excuse me?
	Child labor?
	Get them working.
	All right.
	And then 33% are just elderly folks that he's throwing darts at.
	Glue factory.
	For the kids, we're going to Arkansas.
	You're a new governor.
	Lazy Eye Perkins.
	What's her name?
	The bass player from Corn.
	It's his daughter.
	What?
	Huckabee.
	Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
	Sarah Huckabee Sanders, dude.
	She's out here and she's saying, please put your kids in the meat factory.
	They're falling into the meat grinders, but they have the smallest hands.
	Please let them work for us for $12 an hour.
	So you're either going to die as a child in the meat factory or you're going to get, as an old person, sent to the glue factory.
	These are how SNAP benefits.
	Boom, you're dead.
	That's how it's going to work.
	Wow.
	And that's not all.
	17.6% are non-elderly individuals with disabilities.
	People like Josh's brother.
	He doesn't.
	Yeah, Josh's mom and dad, who are the legal guardians still of his disabled brother.
	Disabled brother, yeah.
	Probably having, yeah, they're going to have to pay money out of their own pockets to feed this young man.
	And what does that make up?
	84.9%.
	That covers all of that, leaving 16 points.
	Well, that doesn't make any sense.
	I'm starting doing some math on a calculator here.
	That comes up to 101.7%.
	All right.
	I don't know if I, this government website is defunded, dude.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah, 16.8% are adults between the ages of 18 and 49 without a disability in childless homes.
	And that's the problem, dude.
	Freeloaders right there.
	Or people who are down on their lives who are struggling.
	Realize something.
	What's that?
	I started this episode by asking you guys what your favorite Halloween special was.
	And on the side here, I was kind of doing a little digging.
	And I think I found the one that I was talking about.
	And it is the M ⁇ M and Mars Halloween stars, it's called.
	And it's a bunch of aliens come down from space and they celebrate Halloween with a bunch of candy and all this.
	And I think that there's some probably aliens from space buying candy on Earth.
	Sort of, you know, correlation to today's episode.
	What are these aliens doing with our snap benefits?
	They're snapping into the Snickers.
	They're eating a PB Max.
	Do you remember these?
	PB Max, huh?
	Is that just a larger version of the peanut butter M ⁇ M?
	No, it's not because peanut butter M ⁇ M is part of this advert for this candy commercial anyway.
	All right.
	Well, that's all I can handle for this week.
	Is that what I usually say?
	That's all I can convince.
	That's all I can handle.
	Feel free to convince me otherwise.
	Oh, if you feel differently, feel free to convince me otherwise.
	Yeah, find us on X than Crowder, louderthancrowder.com, louderwithcrowder.net.
	Jesus Christ, guys.
	It's Halloween for you guys now, too.
	It is Halloween.
	Okay, happy Halloween.
	Happy Halloween.
	I'm going to dress up.
	We didn't even make one cousin It from Adam's Family Snap Benefits joke.
	Could have squeezed that in.
	We could have, yeah.
	Did you see what Kid Rock dressing up as?
	Excuse me?
	You see what Kid Rocket dressing up as?
	Oh, he's like a fucking retarded Fauci or something.
	Is that what he said?
	He just said retard.
	Okay.
	So stupid.
	I hate that guy.
	Well, it works out well because he has everything he needs for it at home.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Well, what are you guys dressing up as?
	I'm not dressing up.
	I got a sheet ghost costume that I bust down every Halloween.
	This say Freedom Across the Trest and the Nexol Red.
	Yeah, Nexol Fuck the Jesus Christ.
	No, that's what I'm doing.
	Joking aside, I think we will see lots of videos of idiots dressed up as ice chasing immigrants.
	Like, it'll be like a racist couples costume, you know?
	It's so hot.
	It's sexy ice.
	Yeah, yeah, sexy.
	We're going to go home and fuck in our ice costumes.
	Yeah, I guess use hashtag spooktacular costumes.
	I know this, you'll hear this after Halloween, but just post it in your hand.
	Yeah, wait.
	Yeah, use their hashtag and we'll just check it for our stuff.
	So that they start getting good participation this year.
	They start getting our stuff in their hashtags.
	I think that that would be kind of fun.
	We start bullying them this way, and then we start releasing our own parodies this way also to be like, listen to this new Steven Crowder parody, but it's actually good because we did it.
	That would be fun.
	Honestly, yeah, I'm really looking forward to.
	I mean, honestly, the holiday season is going to be great.
	We're going to learn a lot about vaginal health like last year.
	So prepare yourselves.
	Careful about them drinks, ladies.
	Same with all them fun-size PB Maxes.
	Don't eat too many peanut butter M's and have a safe and bountiful Halloween.
	Yeah, I hope everyone stays safe.
	I hope at least half of you stay safe.
	Well, come on, man.
	You got to care about all of them, right?
	I hope everyone stays safe.
	And until next time, I'm Byron.
	I'm Dennis.
	I thought Jared went first.
	I didn't see my name here, so I just got confused on the order.
	I'm not going to read my script.
	I'm Dennis.
	I'm Dennis.
	And I'm Jared.
	Sorry.
	Take care.
	Bye.
	You've been listening to an Audio Wool original produced by Byron McCoy.

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