Louder Than Crowder - EPISODE 78: PIERS PRESSURE (DECEMBER 4TH, 8TH, & 12TH, 2025)

Jan. 5, 2026 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 78: PIERS PRESSURE (DECEMBER 4TH, 8TH, & 12TH, 2025)

This week, we wrap up the year discussing dueling interview approaches with the most annoyingly platformed misogynistic, white supremacist, Nick Fuentes. No one wins. "THE BOYS" shirts are available NOW! Like what we're doing? Want MORE for FREE? Join the Shrug Club at http://patreon.com/shrugclub Theme music by DJ Danarchy
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	Shut up!
	What's going on with my boys?
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast Louder with Crowder.
	My name's Byron.
	And across from me, on the seven C's of Flavor, sipping a Coco Rico.
	Got that in his hand.
	With Coco Rico from Puerto Rico.
	It's Dennis.
	Hey, what's up, dude?
	This is a really great drink.
	It's got a lot of sugar in it, though.
	It's going to be keeping me up all night.
	I've also eaten your Red Bull too, so, but it's sugar-free on the Red Bull soda.
	I revert to normal sugar.
	How's the night in the Lone Star State?
	It's our occupied brother in Occupy Texas.
	That's Jerry.
	Yes.
	Your man, the banana ketchup, slinging fool himself.
	Okay.
	What does that mean?
	Banana ketchup.
	Remember, I dated a Filipino lady for a while.
	Maybe that's why I know about it.
	Banana ketchup?
	Yeah, it's a thing.
	It's a ketchup on banana.
	It's a tomato-less condiment, and it has no seed oils, red three or red four.
	So I'm good.
	And I'm good.
	Let's explore this.
	It's not.
	Nick Fuentes, quite possibly my least favorite person that I've met.
	Legs like modest arms.
	Short as the day is long.
	Even more than Stephen Miller.
	He's shorter than Steven.
	Well, he is.
	He definitely is.
	The name, unfortunately, on the tips of too many folks' tongues lately, and clearly the full focus of today's episode.
	I want to use Laura Les's thing here and say you have arms like little cigarettes.
	Oh, look at those arms.
	Your arms look so fucking cute.
	They look like little cigarettes.
	I bet I could smoke you.
	I could roast you.
	And then you'd love it.
	You'd touch me.
	I love you.
	And then I'd fucking trust you.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	How big are cigarettes?
	You know, like, he's got arms like Virginia Slims, dude.
	Virginia Slims for arms, Marlborough 100s for legs.
	I've taken in double-digit hours of Nick lately, and I have to say, great use of my time.
	Fuck, man.
	Mentally doing really well.
	And honestly, we could sit here today, break down the provocative claims, manipulated stats, arguing why misogyny, anti-Semitism, and racism is bad.
	You just don't get it.
	Where would that get us?
	Well.
	And is that the place that he'd like us to be?
	I don't think he really cares.
	We might come to that conclusion.
	I've actually decided to not get granular.
	We're actually going to break down moments from three episodes that I think are the most interesting so we can move the fuck on.
	We'll be discussing the December 4th interview Nick did with Stephen Crowder.
	Remember that guy?
	Oh, I forgot about Steven Crowder.
	Moments from his appearance on Piers last week on December 8th.
	And using Steven's appearance on Piers today, December 12th.
	Oh, he was on Piers again?
	Yeah, yeah, he's a bit of a rapper.
	Man.
	Really?
	What a nightmare.
	All of this stuff.
	Yeah, get ready.
	God damn it.
	Next week, you are going to be on Pierce Morgan Uncensored.
	Yes, on Monday, I'll be doing a show.
	I will warn you, Pierce Morgan Uncensored is rather censored.
	I don't know.
	In what way?
	I mean.
	Well, he challenged me to use the N-word on the show, and I did it three times, stuck the landing in front of Mark Lamont Hill.
	They just skimmed past it and then edited it out afterwards.
	So no N-word, huh?
	All right.
	I'll have to keep that in mind.
	Right.
	I'll try not to use it.
	If he asks you, well, would you say it?
	Or he challenges you and you do, he pulls a magic trick where people don't hear it.
	I haven't watched it.
	Just a little taste of how insufferable this is going to get.
	He wants to impress Nick.
	He wants him to laugh.
	Oh, he's nervous as heck.
	They did this all live, of course.
	So maybe quite a bit of run-through, but for about 15 minutes.
	Gerald playing Nick Fuentes.
	I mean, I don't even know what that looks like.
	Gerald in a suit, clearly.
	With the broccoli cut.
	Yeah, we got to brock his hair off a bit.
	This pen just exploded all over my damn hands.
	At least it's not the glow stick.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I just want to say to just out loud, also, again, just another little something here.
	Maybe even for the listeners to.
	Just stick the landing with the N-word, right?
	Is that what you're about to say?
	He definitely said it, but every time that we say Nick in context of this show, I keep thinking that it's Nick DiPolo.
	Oh, Nick Flint.
	Why are people talking about him?
	We have to say Nick Fuentes.
	I'm not going to fuck every time.
	There's no way I have to.
	You know, in seeing all the coverage of Nick Fuentes, they all say his name differently.
	Of course they do.
	Some people say Fuentes.
	I say Fuentes.
	Fuentes.
	It's a two-syllable two-syllable for me.
	Fuentes.
	And honestly.
	You just say it like this.
	I've been on the beat long enough that I get to say it however I want about Nick, okay?
	Yeah, you were here first.
	I was Pandemic America first, okay?
	How are you going to say it?
	Fuentes.
	Perfect.
	Speaking of perfect, I want to take a quick.
	I thought you were going to cut into simple plan.
	Excuse me?
	I thought we're going to have a simple plan break.
	You had to give everyone a drink.
	Dennis made a pop-punk reference.
	Cool.
	Speaking of cool, I want to take a second to thank some folks that are supporting us over at Shrug.club.
	Hello, Shrug Nation.
	You've got to do the Shrug Tuition.
	Yeah, nothing to say?
	Hell yeah.
	And right there, I thought you were going to say, dude, perfect, and we were going to turn our backs to the hoop and start throwing balls.
	Guess what?
	We're getting it in sometimes.
	Sometimes.
	That's the one we're going to show you.
	Okay, that's, of course, Shrug.club.
	It's the home for all things too hot for the RSS feed.
	Stuff like double salutes, shrug club exclusives.
	A lot of nudes.
	Stop it with the nudes.
	cut it out i was gonna say stuff like our investigation into steven's uh quote-unquote comedy yeah i think it was a legend comedy i think we're gonna be wrapping up because jared's coming to town jared when we're Pretty soon here.
	Jared's coming to town.
	Who's that?
	Jingle, jangle, jingle, jang.
	It's me.
	Have you all been naughty or nice this year?
	I've been really nice.
	Imagine, imagine, listen, hold tight.
	I was going to continue the bit of me not recognizing the tonal parody of Santa Claus.
	Like, imagine a guy who doesn't know Santa Claus.
	Who is this?
	That's just Jared, but lower.
	No, no, I'm just saying, not a listener, but in real life.
	Santa's like Santa Claus.
	Santa last from the past, but let's get Brendan Frazier here.
	A guy in a red suit's like, ho, ho, ho, have you been good this year?
	And then who the fuck is it?
	And then he's asking you to get on his lap, and you're like, wait a second.
	Who the fuck are you?
	I have no confidence.
	I don't owe you shit.
	So it seems just kind of.
	No, sit down, please.
	Or he gets like stabbed because he broke into someone's home.
	He's got a matching Velour track suit.
	What are we doing, guys?
	All right.
	Where were we?
	Shrug.club, that's where we were.
	Yeah.
	Too hot for the RSS feed.
	Josh's belly, all for free.
	Always will be, but some folks choose to support us.
	Sick, nasty money.
	That Kash Patel sack, dude.
	All right.
	I'm big uncle money bags.
	I'm throwing sack over my shoulder, but it's just Kash Patel.
	Appreciate all the lazy eyes going bling, bling, bling.
	And it's money signs.
	He's trying to keep track of all the money we got.
	Hold tight, guys.
	His eyes are all.
	Tommy guns for teeth, dude.
	His eyes are the opposite of lazy.
	Let's be honest.
	They're all.
	Oh, there they are working overtime.
	You're right.
	Oh, Fritz, 50.
	50.
	Thank yous to Fritz.
	Thank you, Fritz.
	Thanks, man.
	What a piece of shit.
	And, guys, Lou Sass, I know, familiar.
	And Mr. Sass.
	We talked about it.
	We talked about Mr. Sass a couple times, yeah.
	didn't properly say that we that Lou has gone above and beyond.
	Whoa, what does that mean?
	Supporting us at the chowderhead level.
	Really?
	Yeah, I didn't mention that.
	Gives a little bit of extra scratch.
	Does he what does he get for that?
	Well, you're a shrug clubber, and then if you have a little bit of extra and you want to, I don't actually, I don't know what they get.
	Okay, so if it's not been established if you have a loose wallet and lots of loose things, like a loose wallet in your life, and you just want to let the money fall out.
	What are we going to give Lou?
	Didn't he make a mug?
	Oh, fuck.
	I do have this mug here.
	Yeah.
	Maybe $10 people will be getting this Louder Than Crowder mug.
	Or should it be a pint glass?
	Is that funnier?
	Or is that less funny?
	I think the Mug Club is fun because, I mean, especially because...
	Well, because they're not even really doing it.
	Should we say what happened?
	That I've been receiving quite a bit of...
	We get a lot of emails from people who think that we're louder with Crowder.
	Yeah, people trying to get booked on the show.
	A guy who sent us maybe a 20-minute video of.
	I didn't watch it because it was a Dropbox link.
	I didn't trust it.
	Was it good?
	Yeah, it was just this guy was getting a hoot out of filming his TV during a Brett Bayer interview while they were waiting for a Pennsylvania Trump rally thing recently.
	Okay, the affordability rally?
	I think that's what they were calling it.
	Yeah.
	Someone dressed up as Benjamin Franklin was dancing in the corner.
	So this guy decided to shoot a full HD video 10 minutes long of his TV screen where Benjamin Franklin was dancing and thought that Crowder and the boys would get a kick out of this.
	They wouldn't.
	I don't know.
	We'll forward it for you, but at least Byron did.
	Yeah, long story short, though, we got one email.
	I guess I'm doing customer service for the mug club because someone didn't receive a mug from Steven.
	And this is their second or third.
	Very disappointing, Steven.
	Come on, Steven.
	That's getting you close to the naughty side of the list here.
	You're dropping down in ranking.
	And we are shooting straight up to the moon here because I decided to send them a mug of myself.
	And they're going to be so confused.
	It says louder than Crowder.
	And I think I did post some pictures of this in our social media at Crowder.
	But I guess it'll be available for folks who want it.
	So, yeah, I think just anyone who's listening, we are not louder with Crowder.
	No.
	Our email is not louder with Crowder at anything.
	No.
	Our email is LouderThanCrowder.
	Louder than Crowder at Gmail.com.
	Which do they not even know the name of the show that they are watching and participating in?
	Louder than Crowder.
	I mean, yeah.
	Because it happens so often.
	It happens on our, on our, we don't mention this enough either.
	We have an unofficial Reddit, not run by us.
	R slash Louder Than Crowder.
	Sometimes fans of Steven's show do pop in and ask questions.
	Do you think the opposite happens?
	Do you think anyone ever tunes into Louder with Crowder and go, man, dude?
	The guys are being dicks today.
	You think they'd pop into our show and don't recognize my voice?
	No, our fans tune into Louder with Crowder and they're like, this is a long clip.
	This is annoying.
	Yeah, this sucks to hear.
	All right, so, okay.
	The theme song's different this time.
	If you like what we're doing and want to support us, and if you want to support us at the chowderhead level, we'll send you a damn mug.
	Let's do that.
	Hell yeah.
	I'm down for that.
	That's your first month of support.
	You get the mug.
	You're part of the shrug club.
	It's confusing because you're getting a mug.
	You're getting a mug.
	A shrug club mug.
	A shrug club.
	We're effectively just taking it over.
	It's not a pewter mug or anything, but maybe we can look into that in the future.
	I don't know.
	He always says they're he says they're hand-etched and I don't buy it.
	And I say, buy who, honestly.
	Yeah.
	Well, you remember like Mark Marin had all the cat ranch mugs and he was getting like 100.
	Guys, we have so many clips and we have played one 39 second clip.
	Let's get into it.
	If you like what we're doing and want to support us financially so we can do more and be better for everyone, Shrug.club.
	Ourselves included.
	Join Shrug Nation, be a shrug clubber, and also hold tight.
	I didn't push a button for loose ass at all.
	Oh, no.
	Loose assassin.
	I was going to say loose assassin.
	Loose ass.
	Big butt.
	You get the butt.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Wait, wait.
	Let me say it in your native language.
	It's so dumb.
	I love it.
	Shortclubber be a piece of shit.
	Great.
	Steven, I mean, we're familiar with this Dave Smith debate the other day.
	Oh, I thought you were talking Dave Matthews for some reason.
	I knew you were going to do your gang.
	I don't know why I thought that.
	I truly thought Dave Matthews in my head.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	Steven's a big fan of.
	Did you get a hoy guy or no?
	Laying down the ground rules.
	Nick, I appreciate you being here, man.
	You know, right now it's a weird time where people are trying to tell folks they can't actually have conversations no matter what how much you agree, disagree.
	So if it's, I'd like to kind of set what my expectations are because I did hear that you said you hoped this would be friendly.
	That's my goal too.
	First thing I will say, we got into it with Jillian Michaels.
	I did, I should say, this week, where she was demanding people disavow.
	And I'll get to that.
	I hate, above all else, it's like I feel compelled to defend, no matter who it is, when jokes or statements are mischaracterized, taken out of context.
	I've had that happen to me.
	I think it's happened to you quite a bit.
	I don't want to do that.
	All right.
	Hopefully, I think, you know, neither one of us does that.
	And I also really hate seeing gang ups.
	And that's why I kill the mics.
	If anyone here, I really didn't like seeing what happened with Candace and Tucker, especially after you appeared with Tucker, and it seemed pretty cordial.
	And then he took pot shots once you were gone.
	I promise you, I'm not going to do that.
	Is that fair?
	Yeah.
	No, I appreciate that.
	Okay.
	And what I really want to do is I want people to actually hear your views for what they actually are.
	And I know a lot of people are going to disagree.
	And some people, you know, they'll be moved.
	They'll be convinced.
	You sure about that?
	Yeah, who the fuck will listen to Nick and be convinced?
	I can't imagine it.
	Well, I've heard a lot of Nick, and listen, I think he says some really cool words.
	He definitely does, dude.
	A lot of them I can't say.
	I wish, dude, I wish I could stick the landing on it.
	Speaking of that, he says this one a lot.
	Fuck you.
	I did like his fuck you.
	It was pretty good.
	No, we can't have these kinds of conversations.
	And if we can't have these conversations, guys, when?
	Come on.
	How long can we play this fucking card?
	Your guy's in charge.
	He's just killing folks in this, like, basically in the ocean for no reason.
	Yes, of course.
	Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
	Yeah, you can have all the conversations you want.
	Oh, guys.
	How can we be the victim this week?
	You guys can't.
	I'm sorry.
	It's done.
	You have everything.
	Yeah, literally.
	Stop.
	But, oh, shit, we're ganging up.
	We need to stop ganging up.
	He hates gang ups.
	He hates that.
	And that's why he kills the mics.
	Of course, he did this during the Ethan Klein debate as well.
	Well, until Sam Cedar came in, and then Ahoy Guy came in as well.
	Oh, man.
	Ahoy guy.
	By the way, I don't know if we said this last time.
	Rest in peace.
	Yeah, Ahoy Guy's show got canceled.
	Oh, fantasy.
	Cap and Crunch fucking wiped him off the man.
	No, Normal World, his show is over.
	The same with Alex Stein's show.
	Oh, wow.
	So what a shame to hear that those shows are over.
	But yeah, he likes to kill the mics during these debates so it's not multiple people ganging up.
	Steven's really roast out by when Tucker tucks out, I guess, at the end of his show and starts saying, you know, Nick, I don't agree with his anti-Semitism.
	He thinks that that's Tucker being dishonest after their interview.
	I didn't watch any of that interview.
	It was not that interesting.
	I mean, we'll go on to discuss it, but Nick is very good at what he's currently doing, which is playing very nice with people who let him, like Patrick Bett David.
	But the second anyone pushes back, he's good at doing the, fuck you.
	You know, he doesn't give a shit, but he's going to play those two sides.
	The mask doesn't slip.
	It just flips, I guess.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, well.
	More rules, though, right?
	And I want them to make up their own mind and be able to contrast it.
	So I ask that we're able to do that.
	I will also say, hey, look, I do want to thank you because, you know, I've been subject to some concerted hit pieces myself, and you didn't join in on the dog pile.
	And I do appreciate that.
	Yeah, got to stand up for a guy.
	You know, it's bros before hoes.
	So I'm with you.
	Now, not, I don't so much appreciate you implying that, you know, I'm bringing talking points from BlackRock or the Israel lobby, considering I've been sued by BlackRock and even Rumble had to fight back.
	So I think let's just make sure we take each other's opinions at face value.
	I don't think that you're paid for it to say anything that you're saying.
	And I can tell you definitively that I've never taken a dime from an outside entity, nonprofit, or foreign interest.
	The fuck is that good?
	Yeah, I believe you.
	Sounds good to me.
	Huh, it's really surprising that Nick didn't say anything when Steven Crowder was being accused of assaulting, well, not assaulting, verbally assaulting his wife.
	I heard that he said something along the lines of, who are you?
	I wish I pulled that clip for context, Jared.
	People are just going to have to know that that's what.
	Yeah, this is inside baseball now.
	I also love that Stephen's saying this like Nick cares about him.
	Oh, Nick doesn't.
	I mean, yeah.
	Hey, listen, man.
	You know, everyone was so mean to me on my birthday.
	And you weren't mean to me.
	You weren't mean to me on my birthday.
	And he's like, oh, I wasn't there and I didn't know it was your birthday.
	Yeah.
	But I like that he says bros before hoes as a response to Steven getting credibly accused of domestic abuse.
	Yeah.
	Just straight up.
	Exactly.
	Bros before hoes.
	Great.
	Of course, that's what Nick would say.
	Yeah, fuck your baby mama, dude.
	Get her out of here.
	Oh, man.
	That's not the last we're going to hear of the conversation directly between Nick and Steven.
	But right now, I'm going to jump into one of the things that really made my run today rough.
	You listen to this while you go on runs?
	Yeah.
	Dude.
	It makes me go, I had my third fastest 10K today, baby.
	Oh, yeah.
	Nice work.
	Fucking mad.
	This episode is called Burning Everything Down.
	And listen to this.
	Tim Poole, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Steven Crowder talk Fuentes, Candace, and more.
	Great.
	What an amazing panel.
	Coolest panel in a bit.
	And Steven comes in at the tail end of this conversation.
	Thank God they weren't all on at the same time.
	I would have ran into the river.
	And yeah, this is what that sounds like.
	An eagle eyed member of the uncensored team noticed that one of the first eager super fans to comment on my interview with Nick Fuentes was Steven Crowder, the host of Louderwood Crowder, who wrote on our YouTube channel, How to Not Conduct an Interview 101.
	And Mr. Crowder joins me now.
	Welcome to you, Mr. Crowder.
	Thank you for having me, sir.
	Merry Christmas.
	Or do you guys say happy Christmas?
	I've heard it both ways.
	We do both.
	I'd be very happy to wish you a happy Christmas and a Merry Christmas.
	Thank you.
	Despite you impugning my qualities as an interviewer.
	Happy Christmas.
	Go fuck yourself.
	Kind of a cool start.
	He's finding new ways to bait Pierce into letting him on his show.
	Now he's commenting on his YouTube video.
	That's what he just said.
	Oh, no.
	Steven commented how to not do an interview 101 on Pierce's video.
	I didn't know it was a comment.
	I thought he said it on a show.
	But it worked because Pierce is down for a worm fight, no matter what.
	It's any excuse.
	And at this point, Steven's embarrassed himself, I don't know what four times of the program.
	So why not?
	What?
	He's just going to be like an extra, like a paid correspondent for Piers Piers.
	P-I-E-R-S.
	Yeah, why does Steven say Pierce?
	Pierce Morgan.
	Well, he doesn't know how to say words, I guess, right?
	No sound.
	You did expand on this.
	You said Piers Morgan is a liberal at heart, which I think is probably right.
	So he spent the whole interview trying to gotcha his way through identity politics on a guy who already rejects supremacy.
	I did think that was an interesting commentary, actually.
	I would start by saying I wasn't trying to gotcha him because I'd already made it clear I was going to put to him, I'd already said this publicly, I was going to put to him all the more contentious things that he has said, which have gained notoriety, and challenge him properly about it, which I think I did.
	And you guys know me.
	I was really nervous when I heard that Nick was going to go on Pierce.
	I mean, for the longest time, Pierce has been nothing more than a sounding board for the anti-woke.
	This has all been Pierce trying to sell his book.
	Woke is Dead is the name of his book.
	Very cool.
	But like, this has been maybe like an eight, nine, ten-month campaign.
	Amplified the voices of full-blown dipshits and lunatics.
	Yeah, that's all that it is.
	Pierce's show has just turned into like, hey, you got a shitty message?
	Yeah, well, we'll put it on the air.
	And I'll pretend to push back, but I'll cut off every other Brian Taylor Cohen or whatever.
	Everything Tyler Cohen?
	Brian Tyler?
	Tyler Cohen.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Shut up.
	Shut up.
	Tim Poole's talking.
	Shut up.
	Andrew Wilson's here.
	Andrew Wilson's like calling a girl a bitch.
	Let him finish.
	Let him finish.
	Okay, he has a good point so far.
	Let him finish.
	So, so clearly, I was nervous.
	I thought Pierce wasn't going to push back at all.
	I thought he was going to do exactly what Steven Crowder did on this softball.
	Also, women shouldn't vote.
	Okay.
	Same thing that Tucker Carlson did.
	And I have to say, I was kind of surprised that Pierce did finally push back.
	He was shocked by what Nick was saying.
	In my head, I couldn't help but be like, Pierce, you did this.
	Or at least you helped with this.
	This is the result of you platforming people like Andrew Wilson.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the Nexus.
	This is what you want.
	Hey, do you want my megaphone?
	Hey, why is he so loud?
	Can someone turn this down?
	Can someone talk this way?
	I'm really scared, actually.
	It's time to loop my voice back.
	Do I sound like that?
	Oh, no.
	He's looking at a big audio mirror.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, when they shoot the projector into you, and then, you know, so it's like the infinity feed.
	I'm losing my mind.
	His eyes are gooing up and falling out.
	Yeah, it's continuous.
	He got very exercised about the story involving his father.
	And I said on an earlier panel we did that actually, if I had my time again, I wouldn't have named his father, although it's easily discoverable on the internet, but I wouldn't have done that.
	I would still have told the anecdote because I was trying to explain to Nick Fuentes.
	The story was put in the public domain by Nick Fuentes about his father in a way in which you could only construe from it that his father made decisions when Nick Fuentes was young, which appeared to be racist decisions.
	A little bit of a cowardly backpedal on Pierce's part, but I guess I agree with him.
	Maybe don't bring up the father.
	Wait a second.
	Oh, we do that all the time, don't we?
	Yeah, we do.
	We pops crowder this guy all the time.
	Darren.
	Because he's a character on the show.
	Well, that is true.
	He does put himself on the show.
	That's a fair point.
	Thanks for highlighting that, Jared.
	But at the same time, like.
	What's Steven's mother's name?
	I was on the show as well.
	She has some.
	Fair game then.
	Nope.
	French mom.
	It was the Michigan days, so it was a little bit different.
	Oh, sure.
	But I don't know.
	I think that it is very relevant to talk about your upbringing.
	Well, of course.
	And the conversation was, hey, on your show, you said your dad did a bunch of racist things.
	Do you think that that's why you're racist?
	Do you think that's why you're racist?
	And he says, fuck you.
	Fuck you.
	Fuck you, buddy.
	They get very upset like he brought his dad up.
	It's where he gets to play the moral high ground.
	You don't got to raise his dad.
	Come on.
	Great.
	Yeah, you think you're special, Nick.
	You think you're so special?
	No, my dad's come up.
	He's a great guy.
	That's come a long way.
	Dad's, they move.
	I haven't talked to my dad.
	Is your dad racist guy?
	I haven't talked to my dad in 23 years.
	Damn, has it really been that long?
	It's been that long.
	Oh, wow.
	Sad.
	Yep.
	All right.
	But was he a piece of shit?
	I don't think he was.
	Yeah, it seems like he was a really good guy.
	He seemed pretty upstanding, but I don't know.
	I mean, I might have found a diary where he was really racist.
	He had like just the N-word over and over again in a diary.
	It's all scrawled.
	Damn, I wish I was.
	No.
	I wish I could talk to you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	About this specifically, but other stuff too.
	He went nuts about that.
	And he's perfectly entitled to.
	And he's come after me and my family.
	He's perfectly entitled to do all that.
	I don't care.
	But I was curious why you felt that I was playing gotcha with him and not just actually, I think, doing my job as a journalist and just challenging him about the more contentious things that he said.
	Yeah, well, here's the thing.
	I don't think you challenged him on the most contentious things.
	And by the way, it's not an impuman of your character.
	It's a different interviewing style, right?
	I think that trying to shame someone like Nick Fuentes for being racist, for being a misogynist, like that's that's a layup for him.
	He's already been accused of that, and I don't think it's very fruitful.
	I mean, I don't want to conflate gotcha with challenging.
	So I would say, by the way, yeah, if he's going after your family, Nick Fuentes, if you're watching, strongly condemn that from your audience if anything is happening out of line.
	But I also would say when the guy makes a good point and says, hey, you know what, my dad's not here to defend himself.
	Could we move on from that?
	Don't do it six more times.
	But I counted six times and you're not able to get to where you actually have disagreements.
	I think that Pierce clearly stated disagreements during this long interview with Nick Fuentes.
	But I do love how Stephen is framing this.
	I mean, you don't focus in on the things that he's clearly been accused of: being racist, being misogynistic, being anti-Semitic, because shaming him, and this is where I agree, isn't going to work.
	I agree.
	But Steven implying that these are things that he's been accused of, not things that he has admitted to being.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's kind of a bizarre way to frame it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And to Stephen's whole, like, he's talking about how he brought it up over and over again.
	Piers didn't do that.
	Piers did this thing where he'd be like, well, he's like, let me phrase.
	I only mentioned what you said.
	What he said is instead of saying, I heard your dad was racist, he said, on your show, do you want to discuss those comments you made more?
	Because they were about his dad, he wasn't bringing his dad up.
	Yeah.
	That's like being like, you know, Nick mentions his dad at one point.
	Does that mean that you can't say, hey, you said that your dad likes to eat at Olive Garden?
	Fuck you.
	Is that bringing up the family?
	Are there certain things that even though Nick says them, you cannot talk about them after he comes up?
	The problem is when you're there, you are family.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's it.
	I didn't realize that was it.
	We're all family, dude.
	It's kind of a loophole.
	His dad is racist against Italians.
	Oh, no.
	Mamma Mia.
	I'm not the guinea Missa Fuentes.
	Oh, we could still do this one, right?
	Yeah, because I'm Italian.
	Thank you.
	Are you Italian, Jerry?
	Did I just get a pass?
	Yeah, I got a Taliban.
	Mexican.
	I'm English.
	I'm Jewish.
	All right.
	Did I mention that I'm Mexican?
	Mamma Mia.
	Mamma Mia.
	And then Steven, I guess, pushes back on Pierce having beef about this at all.
	This conversation on the live stream specifically about eating at restaurants.
	I don't even know that you would construe his father as being racist because he didn't like Applebee's.
	No one likes Applebee's.
	No, no, no, hang on.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	That's not what he said.
	He literally told the story that his father didn't like that particular restaurant chain or others because they were known for black fare.
	Sure.
	Well, that's racist.
	Spaghetti.
	Black fare?
	What if people don't like black fare as far as food?
	What if people don't want to be somewhere where they're more likely to end up in a world star hip-hop video?
	This is where we get to the issue of you and him discussing per capita.
	What the fuck are you saying, Steven?
	Well, Stephen just got himself fucked off the script.
	Yeah, he's like, hey, listen, listen.
	Saying black fair is not racist.
	Let me show you real racism.
	No, no, no, I'll be a racist.
	I love his stacking.
	He's like, so people can't like black food or being on WorldStar.
	Stereotype about black on black crime.
	Yeah.
	So, so, yeah, so, oh, yeah, you're at the malls, Olive Garden, and, you know, there's a lot of black families that go to Olive Garden all at once, of course, because I guess they're all family.
	Legally, they have to.
	Legally, in God's eyes.
	But then they're 100% going to throw down, like it's going to turn into like a scene at a waffle house.
	However you want to frame it.
	And then while he's talking, he's going to throw in the fucking smoke alarm beep in the background.
	That's his ringtone.
	You know, because this is like Piers' show, and he just does his show on everybody else's.
	He just impedes, right?
	So it's just, I man, it's like Nick Fuentes saying that he's a racist, but not saying, you know, he's like, no, I'm not a racist to Steven or whatever.
	We'll get to that.
	We'll definitely rock through that, my dude.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	I don't want to skip ahead.
	But it's just sort of like, yeah, exactly.
	Hold my beer, Piers.
	Yeah.
	And let me just, let me cook.
	Let me just say the racist shit.
	I'll just say it here.
	I said the N-word.
	I was here last time.
	Well, that was, yeah, he brags at the top of the show about saying the N-word on Pierce's show.
	Comes on and just says that, what if you don't like being around black people while you eat?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Can I share a quick story about Olive Garden very fast?
	The last time I went to Olive Garden, I got a one-pound meatball.
	That was what I had, a one-pound meatball with spaghetti.
	And throughout the menu, imagine the menu, okay?
	Throughout the menu, they have recommended pairings for each dish.
	Okay.
	The recommended pairing from a one-pound meatball?
	Blank.
	Bud Light Draft.
	Okay.
	That makes sense.
	It's the meatball.
	Exactly.
	You budding the meatball.
	That's my Young Ubolt novel.
	All right.
	I can't wait to turn 21.
	When you say, hey, what about your dad?
	And he asks you, and I will say, he asks pretty respectfully, don't do that.
	You go on six more times.
	What did you bring?
	Because I thought what he was doing.
	He said little twerp.
	Yeah, no, I just saw him.
	He said little twerp.
	Stephen, I hear you.
	I'm not saying you're wrong.
	I'm just saying, honestly, I'm not.
	Because I've got a lot of respect for you.
	I think that he.
	Well, thank you.
	I think what he tried to do, he tried to, I think he was taken aback when I revealed that anecdote about his father.
	And I think he didn't want to address what he actually said on there with that anecdote because it's pretty damning when you hear it.
	And I think he decided very quickly, because he's a smart, quick operator, to turn it into me attacking him about his dad who wasn't there and how disgusting and blah blah.
	And that's fine, but I kept trying to bring him back.
	I kept saying, look, it's not an attack on your father.
	Who is dad?
	Well, I wasn't attacking his dad.
	I was saying, if you tell a story which looks to the world when they hear it, that you're saying your father was racist, can that have an influence on you as you grow up?
	That was the question I was making.
	I didn't want him getting off the hook of answering that question about his environment, having heard him in his own words put that story out there.
	Yeah, well, here's the thing.
	In trying to keep him six times, and that's what I counted on the hook for his dad maybe being a racist.
	Look, if your dad's in the Klan, it couldn't be relevant.
	It has nothing to do with the price of tea in China, right?
	What hooks are you doing?
	Well, it is if you openly admit to being a racist.
	I'm asking him about Stalin.
	And I say this because the last time I was on your show, remember, we were talking about Tucker Carlson.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, I would hope that you would be just as hard on Candace and people like Tucker for some of the things that they've said.
	I think it's fair to be even-handed across the board.
	Yeah, yeah, I agree.
	Stalin, I said I would like to ask him about that, right?
	Is he a fan?
	Is he actually an admirer?
	Or does he just mean to say he's fascinated?
	What did you ask?
	You asked him about his dad six times.
	You attacked him as race.
	And I don't mean attack him.
	You present him with racist, misogynist, right?
	Stuff that he already knows.
	That's the playbook.
	You'll drive your fans into his own arms.
	Stephen.
	He asked him about something he said that happened to be about his dad.
	And was relevant in terms of the.
	It was something he said.
	Yeah.
	He'd be like, hey, hey, as a mother, I blah, Oh, you have kids?
	Don't bring up my family.
	Don't fucking bring up my family.
	Don't mention my family.
	No, you mentioned your family.
	How dare you?
	That's basically what's happening.
	Yeah.
	And he's like, he's asking him about what he said.
	And Nick isn't actually offended.
	Nick doesn't give a shit.
	Nick's been called worth if this is the line.
	Come on now.
	Hey, listen, how dare you mention my father?
	How dare you?
	If his dad was in the Klan, what would that have to do with the price of tea in China?
	It has a lot to do with it.
	Yes.
	Well, and here's the thing: if Stephen said, hey, my dad was in the Klan, would you be like, can you tell me more?
	No, fuck you, dad.
	How dare you ask me for more?
	And these are the guys who care an awful lot about how to raise your kids in your image.
	Blow it stick with water.
	But it's not relevant to discuss if Nick Buentes' dad was racist and that's why he has his beliefs.
	I just don't even care that it's about family.
	Hey, Nick, you said this about your dad.
	Someone do a Vin Diesel impersonation.
	It's going to happen today, right?
	Oh, I've never actually seen that scene where he says that.
	Oh, that scene?
	Not the absolutely.
	I don't know anything about that.
	That's the theme of the entire series, my guy.
	Is it really?
	I've got family.
	Your family.
	Family, yes.
	Yeah, it's about.
	I've only seen one of them.
	Cop and cars.
	All right.
	And it was one where they jumped off the cars and slammed into each other on interstate.
	They hugged in the middle.
	They hugged.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Jared, what were you saying?
	Oh, I think I was just trying to do a Vin, but it didn't really come out.
	Yeah, it's really hard.
	The only one I can do is like the Iron Giant one.
	What was your question on Stalin?
	Well, I asked him.
	There wasn't one.
	Well, there was actually.
	There wasn't one.
	No, no, you're no, you're not.
	No, there wasn't.
	No, no, no.
	There was.
	You just didn't hear it.
	So I actually bought on a British journalist called Danny Finkelstein who spent 90 seconds in a video talking about what Stalin and Hitler had done to his family.
	I did it in the context of him saying Hitler's cool, but I did.
	Stalin was addressed in that, and he was totally dismissive of a Jewish man talking about his family being annihilated by Stalin and Hitler.
	Lord Daniel Finkelstein, he's a British journalist, like Pierce mentioned, also an author and conservative life peer, which I don't know what that is.
	What does that mean?
	That's when you have a Benny Johnson and a Charlie Kirk, I think.
	Okay.
	We are married.
	We're conservative life peers.
	Is that the damn thing?
	He's saving me from degeneracy.
	That's how you can get on the grinder as a conservative.
	He's also a member of the House of Lords, a profound Holocaust family historian.
	Yeah.
	He had family who died in the Holocaust, and he came on to comment about Nick and Nick's popularity and the things that he spouts on his show.
	I think you'll hear a little tail end of that in this snippet, jumping into the actual interview between Pierce and Nick.
	Gulag, you might try asking why he doesn't celebrate dad's birthday rather than Stalin's.
	It may all be a big joke to him, but he complains that he was 18 when someone tried to cancel him.
	Well, Stalin and Hitler arrested my mum and my dad when they were 10 years old.
	So perhaps he might like to reconsider his joke.
	See, that's the reality of your jokes.
	Although I haven't ascertained yet whether you are joking when you say that Hitler was very fucking cool.
	Are you joking or do you actually think he was very fucking cool?
	The most genocidal monster of the last 150 years.
	Yeah, the thing is, my generation, we're just done with the pearl clutching, you know?
	Yeah, you might be, but then your generation hasn't gone through what Danny Finkelstein's family went through.
	So maybe the pearl clutching has a way to go for families whose family members.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, we got all that.
	Me, mom, me, mom.
	Like, we're, you know, I don't even know who this person is.
	Why is this person talking to me?
	This old British guy is saying, me, mom got killed by Hitler.
	Because he doesn't find it funny when you say Hitler's very fucking cool.
	I don't care.
	He finds it don't kill me.
	I know you don't care.
	That's fine.
	You don't have to care.
	But he does care.
	Does that guy care about America?
	Does that guy care about me and my country and my family?
	No.
	He guessed.
	He's what you, a prominent conservative in America, has to say about Adolf Hitler.
	And what do you mean by Hitler is very fucking cool?
	Because I think he's very fucking a monster.
	And that's a clip.
	I think he's very fucking a monster.
	Do you hear yourself?
	I mean, can we all grow up?
	I do.
	Can we all grow up?
	He murdered 12 million people childish.
	He murdered 12 million people.
	What is very fucking cool about that?
	Tell me.
	The edits.
	It's just cool.
	The uniforms, the parades, the it's it's cool as a guy.
	You look at World War II and it's fascinating and it's interesting and it's compelling and it's cool.
	And, you know, we're just tired of saying these kinds of things.
	We want to talk like real people and give our honest opinions.
	And then we and then we literally get an old Jewish guy from England who's going to say, oh, that died very funny, mate.
	Me mom.
	And it's like, shut up.
	Like, shut up.
	I'm going to add that one to the board for sure.
	This is Nick Fuentes' superpower.
	You know, leap upon any opportunity to belittle someone.
	Yeah.
	A very fucking a monster.
	Just the way he says that.
	Very fucking a monster.
	Yeah, Pierce did.
	That was a bad one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Not great.
	But Nick, you could see him light up in this moment.
	He's like, I got him.
	I think that was the, I won the entire conversation.
	It's the bully for teasing you over using bad grammar.
	Very good bully.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Debate club style bully.
	But to argue that Hitler is cool because World War II is fascinating, interesting, and cool.
	Dude, when I played Wolfenstein, the red armans were so sick looking, dude.
	I like the edits.
	Dropping the edits, Jared, you're right.
	Very jazzy.
	He just locked in.
	Dude, yeah.
	When Hitler was doing Vine.
	Oh, my God.
	The best.
	Six seconds.
	I've never had so many wonderful moments of swiping vertically video after video.
	This is worm fight.
	We're doing worm fight.
	We're watching a worm fight.
	I don't even know like what to say about it at this point because it's just Piers is like making a very valid point.
	Yeah.
	And then on the side where Fuentes is at, it's just it there's there's an air of like, okay, look at this person's history.
	He's called himself a white supremac.
	He's called himself a Nazi.
	He's like all these things, right?
	Finding out also that like he's almost 30 years old and he's still talking like this is embarrassing.
	It is embarrassing.
	Right.
	It's just like an adult to like an adult.
	This is something that I would expect out of somebody that's like in ninth grade or something who's like getting like a little bit deeper of a dive into history and being like, you know, I hate teachers, genocidal teachers.
	Fuck them.
	That's sort of like that type of rhetoric.
	You grow out of it because you're like, it's not funny anymore.
	Like, and not in like a really like, and not in a scoldy way.
	Like your tastes grow.
	Making genocide jokes is like not funny.
	Maybe you move on to like dead baby jokes for a little while and then that gets played also.
	You know what I mean?
	Like it's just sort of like the maturity level goes up.
	These things kind of go away.
	Like, you know, how many babies does it take to paint a house?
	Just depends on how hard you throw them.
	Early 2000s Anthony Jeselnik bits.
	Yeah.
	There's some amount of like he's like trying to like take the piss out of it.
	I feel like if like if what he is saying is sincere, right?
	He's just like and this is something that I've like described in the past to like my dad when we're talking about Israel where I've said, listen, the fucking war that you're talking about, I have no interest in.
	I have no connection to it.
	No one in my generation has any connection to it.
	No one in the generation below us is going to have any connection to that.
	And that's exactly what Nick Fuentes is saying here.
	And it's like.
	It's a bad faith reframe, though, by saying like, oh, World War II is fascinating and interesting and cool.
	Right.
	I mean, we're not talking like, if Nick was a fan of Band of Brothers, like a really big fan of that, no one would really have a problem with that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's the edits specifically that you're talking about, Nick.
	Okay.
	Of one specific guy and one specific side.
	Looking a specific way.
	And that's what looks cool.
	Wearing Ralph Lauren, but also killing millions of.
	I'm sorry, Hugo.
	We can't let you.
	I mean, I was correcting you for your sake, but then I realized that you can't slander Ralph Lauren.
	Ralph Lauren.
	I'd say they made outfits for the Nazis.
	That's not.
	Yeah, no, that was.
	I'm thinking Polo.
	And of course, Nestle owns Polo.
	And so really, I'm thinking chocolate milk.
	And I'm going to have a big tall class.
	Ho, ho, ho, leave one for me.
	So, but the edits, he's got the Hugo Boss costumes on, things like this.
	And yeah, everyone can agree that that shit looked cool, I guess.
	Like, David Bowie wore it, right?
	And then he grew out of it.
	Like, this is just like an act of like being transgressive, right?
	And that was like the 70s.
	Exactly.
	It's like, it was punk rock.
	It was glam.
	It was sort of like them trying to take the piss out of it.
	And I'm, you know, I'm not trying to like, it was right and it was cool, man.
	Piers definitely thought it was probably like my generation's really got it, man.
	At the time, especially when that stuff was happening.
	I don't know.
	It just comes off as very like, if you hadn't said all this other shit, then I could take what you're saying at face value.
	But because you've said all this other shit, I don't believe that you just think that like Hitler like looked cool.
	I think there's a proven track record of the things that Nick says and says he believes that points in a different direction.
	So I also want to say that the way that he's approaching this, the way he's talking about it, is like that bully kid from like middle school who like what the teacher would be like, do you want me to see the principal's office?
	And they go, yeah, he's a fucking dork loser anyway.
	He's just being this way just to get a rise out of people and piss people off.
	And that's the entire point.
	Yeah.
	Like he just doesn't know how to socialize.
	I think he's pretty convinced.
	I mean, look, I don't know.
	That's for another day because all this information is coming out saying that he was inorganically boosted by foreign accounts.
	And then that's why we were seeing so many of his reels three months ago or something.
	And now, he's everywhere now.
	And it's authentic now.
	Well, because the establishment can't grab him.
	He's too slippery.
	He's a slick pig.
	He's a slick Nick.
	You know, no one is in favor of genocide.
	So let's just get that out of the way.
	We're not in favor of a Holocaust or genocide.
	Do you think if half your family had been wiped out by very fucking cool Hitler, you'd still think he was very fucking cool?
	Or would you think that actually he was a despicable monster who murdered 12 million people, who targeted people because they were disabled or Jewish or Romani gypsy or whatever it may be?
	And that he systematically destroyed people, incinerated them in gas chambers.
	Do you think that you would find it very fucking cool if your family had been through that?
	Or do you think you would find it very fucking disgusting?
	And perhaps moderate the number of times you laugh about it or want to joke about it or want to abuse someone like Danny Finkelstein, who's written incredibly powerful books about what happened to his extended family at the hands of the Nazis and your other hero Stalin.
	See, my point to you, Nick Fuentes, is that in parts of this interview, you try to come across as moderate.
	But every now and again, the mask slips and it slipped again here with what you say about Hitler.
	There's nothing very fucking cool about Hitler.
	We know that from history now.
	We know what he did.
	You've already conceded that he murdered at least six million Jews.
	I don't know if we're going to get to that clip.
	I'm not sure if I cut it or if it comes up later in context with, I guess, Pierce's conversation with Steven, but.
	Or he placates him a bit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and it's a really clear, like, Pierce says, how many people died in the Holocaust?
	And Nick's like, well, I don't know.
	I think, was it six, seven million?
	What's the number?
	Could be ten.
	Could be even more.
	Could be.
	He's finding all this stuff all the time is what he said.
	He doesn't give a fuck.
	He's messing with Pierce, and it's a deniable thing that he can mock later, right?
	Yeah, this is what I said.
	This is what I said.
	Oh, no, I clearly.
	Did you not hear me?
	Yeah, I believe in the Holocaust.
	I mean, it pairs well with him saying that he doesn't want a genocide and thinks that's wrong.
	I don't know, man.
	Not so sold.
	Yeah, not so sure.
	So then we return to today's episode of Pierce and Stephen and their debrief about their individual experiences with Nick.
	Do you hear yourself?
	Do you think that you think that's going to be effective or fruitful?
	What it was a guy named Finkelstein?
	No, it wasn't.
	You didn't ask me.
	Let me read you what I asked him about Stone.
	Okay, because I think a lot of people, you responded saying it was softball.
	I don't...
	Did you watch the whole interview that I conducted with Nick?
	Well, before you read what you're about to read, let me play a little mashup of you interviewing Nick Fuentes, and you can respond to this.
	Hang on.
	Okay, but did you watch the whole interview?
	Nick Fuentes, do you hate all Jews, sir?
	Even Pierce, first of all, I don't blame Pierce for not wanting to watch two hours of Steven Crowder and Nick Fuentes talking.
	Yeah, right.
	Have your people do it.
	I wish I had people to do it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Tell me what happened.
	Yeah.
	No, but even Pierce's people are kind of generous with where they jump in with that clip of Steven.
	So I actually pull back the context a little bit more.
	I have a couple of rapid fires, but I think you're going to like them, okay?
	Okay.
	Yeah, sure.
	These are layups.
	And I mean rapid fire.
	And then I want to give you the floor.
	Nick, I think there's some misconceptions of you.
	I've heard this said.
	Can you clear the air?
	Nick Fuentes, do you hate all Jews, sir?
	No.
	No, I don't.
	Okay.
	Do you consider yourself an anti-Semite, a noted anti-Semite?
	No.
	Okay.
	Clears that up.
	Clears that up.
	I asked him if he was a misogynist and he said no.
	Well, he actually does that here.
	Do you believe that white people are superior to all other races on the planet?
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you want to eradicate all non-whites from the United States?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, Barry Weiss will be very happy to hear that.
	No doubt she's watching.
	And then because this happens a lot, right?
	Tucker did this with you.
	Fed, Fed, Fed.
	Nick Fuentes, are you in fact a Fed?
	No.
	Okay.
	I'm going to get through these wraps up really quickly.
	There actually is.
	So this week, Jillian Michaels will be on the show next week while you're doing Pierce Morgan Censored.
	And she said that we need to disavow you and specifically said you had said that women either want or need to be raped.
	Now, I looked for this.
	I have not found as a matter of prescription from you, correct me if I'm wrong, that you believe women should be raped as a matter of policy.
	Do I have that right?
	Yeah, you're correct on that.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So she's wrong.
	She's just an angry lesbian.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	For people who don't know, Jillian Michaels from The Biggest Loser is a big-time conservative these days.
	Is she?
	Were you aware of that?
	I didn't know that.
	She got into the whole podcast thing.
	Keeping it real conversations with Jillian Michaels, not too much.
	I've seen that.
	Not too long.
	I have seen that.
	They say it's been running since 2011.
	It started with a focus on health and wellness and then kind of went political.
	Well, that's wellness.
	At least, I think, yeah, once you stop, you run out of things to talk about.
	You go, well, what?
	Cardio, strength, politics.
	And polio.
	Wait.
	Don't get the facts.
	But then November of 2025, she signed a deal with Fox Corp.
	So just recently?
	Yeah, just recently.
	It's the same production company that manages Tucker, Piers, and Megan Kelly, Dr. Phil, who's having a rough go.
	I don't know if you're aware.
	I'm not following Phil right now.
	Oh, no.
	Phil's company, Merit Street Media, went bankrupt.
	Oh, shit.
	And that was kind of surprising.
	He's being sued by the Professional Bull Riding Association.
	I've heard what's like that.
	Well, because apparently part of the deal was that his network would be a good idea.
	He didn't do enough clowning out in the out the pen.
	I guess not.
	Yeah.
	Maybe that might be where he ends up.
	He might have a big frowny clown face.
	He's running around a boyhead.
	A big old make America great again cowboy.
	That'd be kind of cool.
	But no, I guess earlier this year, they created this show called Her Take.
	Her Take?
	Is that her take?
	Her take?
	She was part of a panel.
	It's kind of like Conservative The View.
	Okay.
	It seems like she quit the show in September of 2025 after a heated debate about Israel and Charlie Kirk.
	Okay.
	Jillian is a lesbian, and I think sometimes she's angry.
	That's fine.
	Sure.
	Those are all unrelated things.
	Yeah, they're not really.
	But these clips that you just played, they're the dumbest things.
	This is like.
	Oh, shit.
	Should I stop playing them?
	Because I got bored.
	Fucking stop them.
	Steven's take of being like, hey, are you racist?
	Do you hate Jews?
	It's kind of like when Trump supporters, when you're like, when you say, hey, did you know that Trump raped somebody?
	And they go, he said he didn't.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	That's good enough for me, man.
	And they just move on without pushing.
	He said, yeah.
	Well, there's a lot of evidence that points in the other direction here.
	I'm not just going to say, hey, Nick, do you like Jewish people?
	And he goes, yeah, I like Jewish people.
	Cool.
	Awesome.
	Great.
	Well, then why do you talk about the Jewish globalists that cabal the Jewish question?
	Yeah, what are we doing?
	Why is it Jewish question Wednesdays?
	Why is there a segment on your show every week?
	It might as well be.
	I know what Stephen's doing.
	I mean, I don't know if you heard the clear language at the top where he's like, these are just layups.
	He even stated them as layups.
	Of course.
	But he stated it.
	I'm allergic to Coca Rico.
	Are there just Coca Rico?
	It's making me kind of phlegm up pretty bad.
	Oh, dude.
	Yeah.
	Making the backs of your ears scratch.
	I guess so, huh?
	Interesting.
	Well, that's not good.
	Oh, well.
	Yeah, I don't know how to articulate my point very well, but I'm just saying, like, these are the kind of questions that, like, your dumb conservative friend asks you to try and prove that somebody's not a piece of shit.
	Listen, I've heard enough.
	I asked him if he was a piece of shit.
	He said no.
	He said he was nice.
	I've heard enough TikTok debates to know there's some baseline beliefs.
	Like, I guess Stephen doesn't think that he's anti-Semitic, which is kind of a wild take, but okay.
	Finally, this one might surprise people because I know you and Charlie Kirk were sort of rivals, as you've described.
	Been a lot of controversy floating around that, and people often say that you blame the Jews for everything.
	Do you believe the Jews killed Charlie Kirk?
	That's one of the conspiracies out there right now.
	What's your position on that?
	I don't believe that.
	As it stands right now, I think it was Tyler Robinson.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay, me too.
	And if there's something else, I hope that we find out, but I think a lot of people would just sort of toss you in that lot.
	Okay, I think we've cleared that up.
	So I've got an analogy here now.
	These questions are kind of like asking somebody if they're attractive or not.
	You aren't the judge of that.
	If someone asks me, hey, Dennis, are you attractive?
	I can't say yes or no.
	Oh, sure.
	Because that's for other people to decide.
	Same thing with racism.
	Same things with who you like.
	Like the people affected by your beauty are the ones that exactly.
	The ones affected by my outward appearance.
	Okay.
	That's what that's like.
	It's like.
	Well, I can say that Nick's a racist, though, too.
	And I'm not anything.
	You can, but he can't say whether or not he is like truly.
	Sure.
	He can say, yes, I hate black people or whatever, right?
	But you can see his actions.
	And they speak much louder.
	You can't tell whether or not you're attractive.
	Let's reverse yourself.
	Have you seen pictures of that?
	I have a mirror.
	Clearly.
	Okay.
	We all know that Steven legally isn't a journalist.
	I learned a lot about that during his deposition.
	Yeah.
	One of my favorites.
	I think jumping back to our conversation with Pierce here.
	I got to say, mate, it's one of the most forensic examinations of interviewing Masterclass I think I've ever seen.
	I mean, the follow-ups were magnificent.
	Nick, magnificent.
	Pierce, did you watch the whole interview?
	No.
	No, you didn't.
	Okay.
	So one of us came here quite a bit more prepared, which seems to be your approach with Nick.
	So let me read you my exact question on Stalin.
	Those were layups specifically because, again, I think you and I both agree, right?
	We want to have reasonable discussions.
	You don't want to radicalize.
	I agree.
	Get rid of the bullcrap on the outset so that we could actually get to real differences.
	And I think here's something that I really pursue when I interview someone.
	Truth and understanding.
	I asked him about Stalin.
	Let me read you the exact question later on.
	It would help if you watched the whole interview.
	I said, well, I'm sorry, Stephen.
	I don't have time.
	I have four kids, Stephen.
	I got to take a look at.
	Full custody of them.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Good call.
	Jesus.
	When you are talking to someone like Nick Fuentes, who is surrounded by controversy, and most large beliefs of him are that he is anti-Semitic and racist and misogynistic.
	So I think that those aren't, that's not bull crap to address.
	And I don't think that making it a layup gets you anywhere because who really gives a fuck about his thoughts on Stalin?
	I mean, it's not great, but there's other things that are important too.
	The things he says on a regular basis, not the slip-up about Stalin's birthday that he said on Tucker.
	The layups were just a bad faith question to try and establish, like, hey, me and you, we're not that different.
	We're both not racist.
	Wink.
	Wink.
	Big old wink, but I got a ding.
	Great.
	Yeah.
	Let's talk about the real differences in our lives, okay?
	Should women be able to vote?
	Or should women be able to leave you when they want to get divorced?
	Do you have a no-fault divorce?
	Oh, cool.
	We need that, Stephen.
	I don't even fuck women.
	And I did cut most of that talk out because Stephen's defense is that Nick is a devout Catholic.
	So Pierre, well, I think he actually might be, but I don't know for the right reasons.
	Stephen plays the moral high ground card saying Pierce shouldn't have made fun of him for being celibates because that was his faith.
	That's just called being an incel, Steven.
	Well, actually, Volcel.
	I truly think so, yeah.
	You think that Nick could fuck like girls?
	If he wasn't who he was as a human being, yeah, he was attractive enough.
	All right, yeah.
	I think he again.
	I've seen, yeah, just that.
	I mean, I, but unfortunately, he sounds the way he does and says, Yeah, he says the shit that he says.
	It's like every guy's like, man, women never want to fuck me because I always call him a bitch.
	Yeah, dude.
	Yeah, all these stupid bitches never want all these dumb bitch sluts.
	Never let me fucking stick it, dude.
	I don't ever get the sniz.
	This guy's got a hams in his hand.
	Just having a great night.
	You know what?
	I recently discovered the male grooming subreddit.
	Okay, I'm going to cut you off right now.
	We have so much.
	It's a bunch of that.
	Anyway, let's go.
	I know I kind of minimized the Stalin thing, but we're going to jump back and talk a little bit about it right now.
	Steven and Nick.
	And look, I want to play this because, of course, everyone's going to ask me to ask you this about the Tucker Stalin clip.
	So what I want to do is play it, and then I know that you've already explained it more recently.
	I want to play a longer clip in context and then give you the floor because otherwise people say, why did he softball him? and not ask about Stalin.
	Here's the clip for those who haven't seen it from Tucker Carlson.
	So it was like mid-December, mid-late December.
	It's actually funny.
	It was December 18th.
	I remember because that's an important date to me.
	And it's Joseph Stalin's birthday.
	I'm a fan.
	You're a fan of Stalin's.
	Oh, he's an admirer.
	But we don't need to go into that.
	So I think it's interesting that Steven, since this clip did come out, has said that.
	Oh, he could just be fascinated.
	Sure.
	The words were specifically, I'm a fan.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I am a fansinated.
	That's what he heard.
	What was the other one he said?
	You're a fan of Stalin's.
	Oh, he's an admirer.
	Also, an admirer.
	Maybe he meant to say admonishment.
	Because that's what we do on our show.
	I don't like that girl I work with.
	I admire her.
	And I'm a big fan, but I don't like her.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I think you're just fascinated by her.
	I don't think that's what it was.
	That sounds worse though when you convert to a woman.
	Right?
	Now, I've seen you on another show explain it more recently.
	Now, I can't play the whole clip because it'll be really long, but I want to play a longer one and then allow you to provide any missing context.
	I can't remember your name of this something.
	Danny D. Johnny G, play Tommy G. Tommy G.
	I was close.
	I agree.
	You have some hilarious moments, but there was a moment from the Tucker Carlson interview I wanted to ask you about.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You mentioned Stalin.
	Your fan of his work.
	Yeah.
	Was that serious or a joke?
	That wasn't a joke.
	But, you know, it's like anything else.
	I love history and I love stories.
	And to me, Joseph Stalin is an extremely compelling figure.
	I would say more, you'd be surprised to hear this than Hitler.
	Everybody pegs me as like a Hitler guy.
	I'll tell you, and I'm not saying this to pander.
	I'm not saying this, you know, because I care about what you think of me.
	I really don't even know that much about Hitler.
	I never found Hitler to be that interesting.
	I think that there's narratives about Hitler that are interesting.
	In America, if you talk a certain way about certain issues, they say you're a Nazi, you're Hitler.
	So it's interesting in that way.
	But for me, Stalin is the far more compelling figure.
	And I say that because, you know, while everybody focuses on Hitler, Stalin is a person who takes Russia, which is the most backwards country in Europe at the beginning of the 20th century, serfs and peasants, and, you know, just all around immiseration and poverty.
	He takes a country like this, and by the time he dies, it's a nuclear empire.
	It's a global superpower.
	It's like the most unbelievable story in the history of mankind.
	And so I don't think he's a good person.
	He's an evil person.
	He's one of the villains of history.
	But in terms of his effects, he's an effective ruler.
	And I think that's interesting.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Said a lot.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	First of all, Tim, the tool man, needs to turn his mic off.
	I don't know if you could hear him kind of like.
	Yes, I was like, are you guys hallucinating?
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, no, no.
	That's the producer of the show.
	Very professional guy, Tim, just left his mic on.
	He's talking during the interview.
	So Greenwood.
	Cool.
	And this is just an example of Nick being able to, depending on how comfortable he is with who he's talking to.
	Yes.
	But at the same time, like saying that you admire what Stalin was able to do with the country.
	I don't know.
	That's like being like, actually, Hitler was Tom's Man of the Year once.
	And he's pretty good, dude.
	It's misdirection.
	It's Carl Havick going, I didn't think it'd be funny.
	I thought it'd be interesting.
	That's a good one.
	I didn't say I was a fan.
	I thought he was interesting.
	Interesting.
	He's fascinated by probably like the whole, like all of it, right?
	Because it's like, yeah, Hitler was a great leader in the way that he did things, blah, blah, blah.
	But then you also have essentially like all of his architects, which make the whole of like the German Nazi infrastructure.
	Yeah, that it's interesting, but it's like he's saying straight up that he's a fan of them.
	Big difference.
	I'm a huge fan of R. Kelly's music.
	You know, I was a fan of Himmler because he figured out all of these ways that we could put, you know, how many bodies you could fit in a shower at the same time.
	It's very efficient.
	Make a bigger shower.
	Yeah, like, it's just very fucking...
	It's bullshit.
	It's...
	But yeah, it's total bullshit.
	It's just like, why do all this research, which like, unlike Steven to kind of get into the nitty grit of things, but how are you going to like hear all of the breadth of all this stuff?
	Like, hey, hey, Nick, we also like the edits because it shows us what the fuck you talk about in a much faster way, right?
	And so like we see that.
	And then if you go search into like, you know, the August 14th of 2023 episode of Dipshit Nick and the and the funky bunch episode, you know, show or whatever.
	And you find this like one thing where he's saying this one thing.
	You know, the Jordan Peterson dipshits would do the same thing.
	Oh, you didn't listen to what he said on 17 years ago in a dissertation to his former college students.
	And it's just like, yeah, but that's not what he's saying now.
	His views have summed up to this moment.
	And he's saying, man, I love that guy.
	I think he's fucking cool.
	All things considered, pretty cool guy.
	And this kind of reminds me a bit of a parallel and a bit of a pivot away from this.
	I've been working in true crime for a long time.
	And there's a huge difference between people who are fascinated and people who are fans.
	I've heard so many times the question, who's your favorite serial killer?
	And I know when those people come up to me and talk to me, I don't think I want to talk to them because that is the wrong perspective.
	You shouldn't have a favorite monster.
	Like you can be intrigued by things and there's all kinds of reasons that you're drawn to dark subjects like true crime.
	I'm going to send you guys mine.
	Wait, your favorite serial killer?
	Yeah, I just drew him.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, no.
	Because I was just thinking of this.
	You know what I'm saying, though?
	It's like there's a huge difference here.
	Yeah, you can be fascinated by a serial killer and not say, oh, their birthday is an important day in my life.
	Yeah, it's not.
	That's not on my radar.
	Yeah.
	See if you know who this is.
	That's the guy from No Country for Old Men.
	Hell yeah.
	You knew who it was.
	That's pretty cool.
	That would be like me saying, oh, July 7th is a really important day for me.
	Why?
	Because that's Steven's birthday.
	Is your favorite monster?
	My special date is May 16.
	Oh, and that's of course lagwag there.
	Drink.
	No, that clip goes on.
	We'll make the link available.
	I just, I don't want to do an interview where everyone's watching you watch you.
	But so with that, and I was asked about this on Pierce Morgan.
	And again, asked to condemn, you know, Stalin.
	I said, look, I don't know.
	He could have meant, and by the way, I don't know if you have a cold.
	I have a hauls in my throat right now.
	I notice everyone's a little bit sniffly.
	Guys, he's sick.
	Yeah, dude.
	Steven's sick.
	He's got a little sniffle again.
	Wow, reset the sign.
	Yeah.
	Smudge off the whiteboard.
	It's been zero days.
	Still sick.
	Steven's been healthy.
	And if we're only counting from like when we record shows, no one actually needs to do anything.
	Yeah, no time status.
	I said, he could have been saying he's fascinated.
	Like, for example, I've been going down a rabbit hole of Stalin versus Trotsky, like how much they hate each other, which would seem odd to us because they're very similar.
	The spoiler alert, it's two assholes fighting.
	That's pretty much all it is.
	And I would be curious to ask him about that.
	So when people say disavow without having the full context, I think that's wrong.
	Now, that said, my question to you would be, I know that you have said we need a Catholic theocracy or a Christian theocracy.
	I've heard the word dictatorship.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	So I would ask you, since the end point seems much more similar to where Stalin reached, just swap atheism for Catholicism or Christianity.
	Would you be able to name or is there any one thing that you think America concretely should copy about Stalin's rule or methods to get there?
	Not his methods, because like I said, he's an evil person, a murderer, and genocidal, arguably, with the famine.
	I mean, I think this is pretty clearly intentional that they were trying to kill all those people there.
	And so, you know, I want to make that clear.
	Sometimes I feel like it's almost childish.
	And I'm not saying that about this interview, but just in general, when people say, wait, but he was a bad guy.
	It's like, I know he's a bad guy.
	Like, I know he was evil.
	And I suppose the thing that I find maybe more compelling about Stalin as a ruler is the way that he industrialized the country.
	He got there.
	He got out of it, guys.
	He did it.
	He snuck his way out in the most friendly place that he could do it.
	Just frantically.
	The thing that I love about most about Shitler.
	Fucking goddammit.
	Julie, delete, delete, delete.
	He doesn't give a fuck about any of this.
	Imagine asking Nick Fuentes, if you could talk to one historical figure, who would it be?
	Hitler.
	Wait.
	I mean, fuck, fuck.
	I'm already friends with Goebbels.
	I'm friends with Kanye already.
	So I don't know.
	Dead or alive.
	He got out and he's in probably the most cozy, friendly environment.
	And that's why he's behaving the way he is towards Steven.
	This is how he talks during those friendly interviews, like the one he had with Tucker.
	Back to the Pierce Morgan studio, the uncensored studio, where you can't apparently say any slurs.
	Did you get to any, let me, that was my question.
	And yours was, well, you never asked about Stalin.
	He said, do you think Hitler, do you still think Hitler is fucking cool?
	Yeah.
	How'd that work out for you?
	What'd you learn?
	That he does.
	And that's new?
	And he thinks they have nice outfits?
	They're Hugo boss.
	No, but okay, he didn't say that as his reason.
	Did you learn about Stalin, Pierce?
	Did you learn a lot about disenfranchised?
	As I said to you, I played a clip from a guy who literally lost family members, close family members, to Stalin and to Hitler.
	Sure.
	And Nick Fluenti's response was to mock him and then to unleash his Groypers on this guy who've been now mercilessly abusing and mocking him about the loss of his family members to Stalin and Hitler for the last 48 hours.
	Now, you might think that's acceptable or that somehow I didn't push that microphone.
	This is why legacy media is done.
	You can't compete.
	Look, guys like Nick on your show, they've come up.
	They've come.
	I mean that you were at CNN HLN for a very long time and you're still following the same format.
	And so they're accusing someone young of being racist is a win.
	But with people who've grown up being accused of racism, of misogyny their whole life, they don't give a shit.
	And so you should get to the point where you can actually understand.
	Here's the one thing I would say that would help.
	Listen.
	We all know.
	I mean, Steve is one of the best listeners in the business.
	Steven is so stupid.
	And where did Steven get his start?
	Was it Fox?
	Fund up Dan, dude.
	Oh, right.
	Fundamented Dan and old boy.
	Oh, man.
	I tell you what.
	Man, I tell you what.
	I just had a Dr. Pepper glazed barbecue beef sandwich for breakfast.
	Sounds like a great breakfast.
	I just want to go back to that.
	During their break, we got to go back to Dan Eric.
	We have to go back to Seven Daniel.
	I'm just fucking.
	Christmas Dan.
	Christmas Dan for Super Screen.
	We should do the 12 Dads at Christmas.
	Did you guys know that 12 Days of Christmas starts on Christmas?
	Well, that means that's perfect.
	We'll do 12 straight episodes every night right here.
	All the way through July.
	Live at wokeyoutube.com.
	But no, this is so dumb because Stephen acts like disgusting and comment in general.
	Like you didn't uncover something new.
	Like you have to have a doctorate.
	You have to expand the bounds of human knowledge.
	No, no.
	He was saying, hey, listen, you said some really shitty things.
	Here's someone directly affected by that.
	Even in the face of this, do you want to double down?
	Yeah, do you mean what you're saying?
	He said, yeah, I do.
	Fuck you.
	And I think that is.
	Fuck you.
	I think I really need to add that to the board for next week.
	But no, I think that you do learn something.
	Yes, of course you do.
	You learn that that person did not change their mind, even understanding that the things that they say are hurtful.
	And that's pretty loud.
	Yes, of course.
	And even if you don't, even if you expected it, it's still like, and like Steven understood anything.
	Hey, hey, dude, are you a jerk?
	No.
	Okay.
	He says he doesn't bully people.
	I asked him and he said he's absolutely not racist.
	He's absolutely not a journalist legally.
	So it's fine.
	It doesn't matter.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	It's just the weird veil.
	Like, it's not veiled at all.
	And then like the weird, we have to protect him mentality of all this when it's like Steven's just cloud seeking.
	Nick's audience is the audience that Steven believes he has.
	Yeah.
	I mean, in reality, Steven has a bunch of 47-year-old uncles.
	Yeah, it's all of his dad's poker buddies who are who just like that it's a young guy, a guy younger than them, I should say, saying things that they agree with.
	And it's like, oh man, this is going to go over so good at the VW later on at poker night.
	I got to try out some light slurs and talk 90s, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm going to the elks later.
	These like Gen Z kids who are listening to Nick, who would call us unknown, even though we're only a couple years older than them.
	We're kind of unknown.
	I had an unknown feeling a minute ago well up in me and I go, oh no.
	Is it unknown?
	Oh no.
	That's an unknown thing to say.
	I know.
	Is it like a...
	It represents...
	What do you think an unk represents?
	Like the middle-aged dudes?
	Yeah, it's kind of like.
	This is Unk status.
	It's uncle.
	I get it.
	I'm unknown.
	It's not.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's like, no, dudes.
	We're graduating high school next year.
	Yeah, I was going to say, we are also 19 years old.
	Stop fucking.
	You just turned 20, dude.
	Well, I'm really a dumb high schooler.
	So I'm super, super senior.
	And that's cool.
	That's technically unkn to those kids, if you know what I'm saying.
	Yeah, but like, I grow the best mustache, so I can get all the beer.
	Uh, if I'm being as accurate as I can be, right, for the general populace, I think most people, if they listen to Nick Fuentes, his views on race and crime, they'd say, Okay, someone like that has a case, certainly any man under the age of 25.
	I think a lot of people with broad strokes categorize it as anti-Semitic.
	We were able to get into that.
	I was able to communicate that I thought Islamic immigration is a greater threat than global jury.
	And guess what?
	He disagreed, but we understood each other because we're both xenophobic and racist.
	We're just different flavors.
	We're just arguing about which one of them is the worst.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I don't know.
	Is it the Muslims or the Jews?
	Which immigrant do you hate the worst, man?
	To them, that's a worm fight, right?
	But I think that they're all going to go say that the Muslims are.
	I think that's the problem.
	We're pivoting to Muslim.
	We are pivoting to Muslim, but we know Nick doesn't really chase trends that way.
	So I'd be curious to know which direction he goes.
	Hatefully, probably one of the most brilliant strategists in politics right now.
	And that's why I think he's the number one scariest dude.
	He's scary as shit.
	Because he doesn't need to work inside the system at all.
	He said, fuck Trump before anyone else.
	Like, he doesn't give a shit.
	Sounds like a lib to me.
	Okay.
	I remember the day when I saw good old Richie.
	What's his, what's his last name?
	Mr. Mick.
	No, Mr. Mick gets punched in the face when you're showing off your pepper.
	Richard Spencer.
	Richie Spencer, when he said that he's voting for Biden.
	I was like, oh, god damn it.
	Me too.
	I guess I'm a Nazi now.
	I guess.
	Because that's how it works.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm a Republican and everything's the same.
	Well, you wouldn't want to make it too complicated, that's for sure.
	Yeah.
	But Nick gets to live outside the system, is all I'm saying.
	And he has a lot more control and power.
	I don't, everyone's overstating his influence with Gen Z men.
	I fully agree.
	But I don't think that it's nothing, right?
	No, no, no, no.
	It's a very specific type of Gen Z male.
	Like the idea is, like, the god damn it.
	It makes me so fucking frustrated to like say this shit out loud because it's like these people understand preventative measures.
	Like they understand wanting to be preventative about his audience getting larger, right?
	And like possibly like these people preventing them from getting these much more severe and like more nihilistic viewpoints that don't benefit like a larger society, right?
	And so like fight me every fucking step of the way on this shit.
	And it's like, hey, we've been saying this dude's a fucking Nazi because he says he's a fucking Nazi.
	And then Steven's saying, well, I don't know about that.
	So because we're trying to be preventative and saying that like you should be aware of this person, but also like don't give him any air.
	That's complicated for a lot of people who can't chew bubblegum and talk at the same time or walk.
	You know, talking is hard with a lot of gum.
	Yeah.
	Where you have a bunch of walk, yeah, walk and chew bubblegum, as the saying goes, I suppose.
	You know, getting it in my beard every time I'm blowing a bubble.
	So stupid.
	I can't stop.
	You know, it's just, it's complicated, and these are complicated things, I guess, to like hold feelings about two truths at the same time, sort of situation.
	But they understand what it is to, like, like Piers, right?
	He understands what it is to, hey, like, if we do give him air, what's going on with my boys?
	If we do give him air, then like it needs to be like somewhat advantageous to like really get these like sort of skeletons out of the closet in front of people, which is preventative to getting his message to spread.
	But they're always fucking complaining about like, hey, just, I guess we're going to have to wait and see.
	Like, Trump, we're going to vote for Trump.
	No new wars.
	And it's like, he's going to start another war.
	It's like, I don't know.
	He said he's not going to.
	And like, now really.
	He solved eight, though.
	We're going to have to wait and see.
	Yeah.
	You know, that's just like what it always is.
	We don't trust you, even though that we're going to double back on this shit and say, oh, when I needed an abortion, now it's a problem because it's called an abortion.
	If I have an atopic pregnancy, this is not what I voted for.
	You know, it's like, well, everyone was trying to tell you that.
	Now you have to go to a different state to get an abortion.
	But if you come back to the state that you were in, it's possible that you get charged with murder.
	You dumb fucking idiot.
	I'm sorry.
	I just shot myself in the foot a hundred times.
	And I know that you said this gun was loaded.
	I just didn't believe you.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Fuck you.
	I will concede, I didn't get him.
	I mean, other than him saying, I believe now, actually, in a satirical way.
	In other words, I don't think he really meant it.
	But when he said he did think at least six million Jews died in the Holocaust, he did it in a way that others like Glenn Greenwald have told me he didn't mean it.
	Whatever.
	It's up to him.
	It's down to him.
	I don't think I got anywhere with Nick Fuentes.
	I don't think I got anywhere to him changing his mind about anything.
	I certainly didn't get anywhere in stopping him unleashing his Groyper hounds on me or my family, whatever.
	Whatever.
	I don't care.
	I've had far worse and it's fine.
	I don't know what to say.
	I don't know what anyone expects to get out of having Nick on the show.
	The only benefit of having Nick on a show is Nick.
	He gets the benefit.
	Part of me thinks after the Tucker interview that this was of some value to see what a defensive Nick looks like.
	I didn't see the Tucker interview.
	The Tucker interview was probably the coziest thing I've ever seen.
	It was the most normalizing interview with Nick that exists.
	And in the face of that, it's important someone hold him to account.
	My only thing I think about with Nick's power, like you mentioned, he has his power.
	I just gotta make this show kind of funny sometimes.
	There's huge segments of the population that would never support him.
	And those are huge enough that could keep him out of serious stuff.
	But I mean, that's also what I thought about Trump.
	But with Nick, he's like very anti-woman.
	There's not many people I know who just would be like, hear what he says about women and be like, oh, yeah, I mean, I can give him a shot.
	I can give a chance.
	You know what I mean?
	Right now, I'm blaming the media for what the fuck is going on.
	They're dropping all of these articles about how Nick has won the GOP, how he's beat the GOP.
	I don't know why the New York Times or the Rolling Stone focusing in on the specifics of Nick Fuentes.
	Like, it just seems like true platforming.
	Before, it was always just him sitting in his family basement with a green screen behind him.
	But now they're like beautiful photos of Nick and like, I don't know what we're doing.
	We're blowing him up.
	And that's why I didn't want to sit and go granular on this because it doesn't need to be discussed.
	We know the truth about who Nick Fuentes is.
	He says a lot of words, but all of it says the same thing.
	Yeah.
	He's a bad guy.
	I wonder why he's.
	He's an accelerationist and I really think he's a nihilist.
	He's a terrible person, but I'm a fan.
	Okay.
	You've been convinced.
	What's his birthday?
	Let me write that down.
	Well, then I'm a big fan of that day, right?
	Yeah, a big fan of that day.
	So we've talked about World War II.
	Yeah.
	Are there any other wars that we should talk about?
	Well, there's the big one, of course.
	We've talked a little bit.
	It's the Great War.
	No.
	No.
	We talked a little bit about this in the wake of the death of Charlie Kirk, but it was a big, serious war.
	What was it?
	You know, during the Groyper War, I know the Groyper showed up to your events.
	And I remember thinking, like, Crowder's not even, he's not even really bad on many of the issues like Daily Wire, even like Turning Point was six years ago.
	They got a lot better in the intervening, you know, maybe the past three years.
	But no, but I always think you, you know, you have balls.
	So I think you're one of the more creditable people in the con Inc. Work kind of scene.
	Well, come on.
	Don't put me in that scene.
	That's the thing.
	I'm not in that scene at all.
	I've been rejected by that scene just maybe not quite like you, but quite a bit.
	I mean, I said the end word on Pierce Morgan.
	That counts for something.
	I will say this, though.
	Hey, listen, don't call me one of those guys.
	I appreciate the comment about my balls, but don't call me one of those guys.
	This is the closest to an auditory 69 that I've heard in a while.
	Right?
	But two guys who don't want to be doing it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Nick doesn't want to be complimenting Steven, but this is happening so early in their interview that I wanted to kind of highlight the energy going into it.
	Nick is ensuring that this is a safe, cozy space for him.
	Totally.
	Yeah, yeah.
	By saying, I didn't think you were that bad.
	You're great, actually.
	You're really strong, too.
	I've seen you lifting.
	Yeah, you do have muscle.
	Yeah, you do have muscles.
	You lift a lot.
	Can you flex?
	Oh, my God.
	Carry me, please.
	We all know con Inc. is a hot.
	I think maybe.
	I haven't heard that term.
	I'm an unknown, apparently.
	You're a bit unknown.
	Well, I mean, you remember Big Con and how that actually started.
	I think that was one of the starting points of our podcast.
	I don't think we ended up making it to the.
	The replatforming was the very.
	Was that?
	No, but we skipped the whole winter of Stop Big Con.
	We might have discussed it a little bit.
	But either way, we all know that Steven doesn't like to be put in the same camp as people like Ben Shapiro.
	He's not middle-aged.
	I think Steven and Ben might be close to the same age, right?
	Let's see.
	Let me think.
	Let me count.
	One second.
	So we're 19.
	Steven's 38.
	Just double RA.
	Ben is 41.
	Oh, damn.
	Ben's over the hill.
	Oh, my God.
	Over the hill.
	It's too bad for him.
	Okay.
	Either way, yeah, I just wanted to play that quick little clip.
	Later on in that interview, we jumped back into that Groyper War talk.
	Kind of fun.
	i will say this though uh yeah they i there was a did you did you encourage the gripers to go or was that their own thing That's just to clear the air.
	You know, I don't know.
	It was so long ago.
	You were not one of our major.
	I think I need to explain what the Groyper War is before we get into it.
	Yeah, if you don't mind, what's a Groyper?
	What's a Griiper?
	I'm just kidding.
	Oh, well, the Groyper is a fan of Nick Fuentes.
	And the Groyper War, we talked a little bit about it in the wake of Charlie Kirk, but the Groyper War was a targeted attack at live events for Turning Point USA where they would make Charlie Kirk and his guests feel very uncomfortable by talking about racial, specifically Jewish questions and specifically the Jewish question, trying to bring that up a little bit.
	Sure.
	And that was intentional.
	And I got to eat my hat a little bit here.
	Is that the term?
	I think.
	Shoe?
	I think it's a foot in your mouth.
	I earlier said that Steven was kind of stealing valor by saying that the Gripers were targeting him.
	And it seems like maybe they kind of were.
	So that's what Nick's talking about here.
	Admonish.
	And I'm willing to admit it.
	I guess Stephen's more important than I thought.
	Did you encourage the Gripers to go or was that their own thing?
	That's just to clear the air.
	You know, I don't know.
	It was so long ago.
	You were not one of our major campaigns.
	We were really focused on turning point.
	So you might have been on the calendar.
	We threw together a calendar and said, these are all the speaking events in the fall.
	But we really focused on Charlie Kirk more than anybody.
	All right.
	Well, then could you give me a word that you're not going to send them to stand-up events going forward?
	Well, I didn't send anybody to a stand-up thing.
	I was just basically, I was dressed like Che Gueveira.
	Like it was a Halloween.
	It wasn't the same kind of thing as Ben Shapiro.
	It might have been Brett Kavanaugh with a beer helmet.
	Like, it's not the same kind of show.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	No, I won't send anybody.
	I promise.
	Oh, my God.
	He's doing the fucking same thing that he did to Piers in that moment.
	That's the detection, right?
	That's my intuition going off here.
	When he's placating Piers and he's saying, ah, $6 million.
	Was it 7 million peers?
	Maybe it was 10 peers.
	He's doing the same thing to Steven.
	No, you actually weren't on, but he's just being more like plain-faced about it because he doesn't really have to dress it up that much.
	Yeah, you weren't really on our radar at all.
	And actually, we weren't going to look at you or send anyone your direction as a not even a policy.
	So you think he was actively targeting Steven Crowder?
	Steven just said like he hadn't.
	He hadn't done that, right?
	He's like, you guys weren't doing that to me.
	And he's like, no, and we weren't going to because you're fucking nobody.
	That's what he just told him.
	Well, but he did send, apparently, Steven Crowder's event at Texas A ⁇ M in 2019 was on their calendar, I guess.
	But like, yeah, it wasn't that big of a deal.
	And they talk a little bit more about the details.
	And guys, Steven's pretty clever.
	Because here's a funny before we get into it.
	Because the Groypers back then, they kind of had like rankings.
	Do you remember that?
	Do you remember this?
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	You could forget.
	Okay, okay.
	So you do remember.
	So I'm glad we're able to talk about this because, and by the way, we'll post all the videos and links, like references in the description.
	So if we have a clip for people can see the whole context.
	Do a quick pause.
	He had the references up before the interview even happened.
	Very, very, very Steven of him to have a very strict idea of how he wants this conversation to go.
	So.
	Hey, we're old friends.
	All right.
	Me, you, and the Groypers, old buds.
	I believe it was at SMU.
	And I knew they were coming because I was posted on this calendar.
	And so, again, the same way Infiltrated Info, I knew every single one of them.
	And I knew they had rankings.
	I don't remember, maybe it was like private, admiral, something like that.
	But here's how I kind of also, it was a little bit of a mind trick.
	So he'll appreciate this.
	It was nothing super bad.
	I said, okay, everyone who agrees with me, you know, you line up on this side of the auditorium.
	It was like 2,500 seats.
	Everyone who disagrees here, we're going to go one and one.
	And I saw all the Groypers line up, and they were supposed to go in a sequence, like private to general.
	Get this.
	The last second before we go, oh, we have to change something in the venue.
	And we swapped the lines so that the wrong guy went first.
	And I remember in your groups back then, or not your groups, but whoever the Groyper had a Facebook group, one of them said, did you see I asked a question last night?
	And they were like, you were a stuttering, disgraceful fool.
	You are not amongst us.
	And they booted him.
	They drummed him out of the corner.
	And then I was off the list.
	So remember, we had generals.
	We didn't have, maybe they did that on their own.
	We had generals.
	And it was sort of tongue-in-cheek.
	You know, we were a little ironic about it.
	But no, but I remember the tricks you guys were pulling.
	That was pretty, you know, that was pretty clever.
	I'll give you that.
	That was pretty clever.
	That was a good counteroffensive.
	You were tricking and we were tricking.
	And the truth is, I just wanted to do some fun stuff.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Do you remember when Stephen confronted Jenk?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	so he likes to do student fun stuff This guy's just doing cool, fun stuff.
	He's just doing fun tricks.
	Really well thought through.
	He's being fun.
	He's being goofed.
	Big goof.
	No, I think.
	Nick's saying, okay, I'll pat you on the back, buddy.
	Yeah, no, Nick is not.
	You got me, dude.
	You're a big boy.
	There was never anything beyond quote-unquote generals, and it probably had some racist overtone that he's unwilling to talk about to Steven in this book.
	This was early on in the conversations, though.
	Steven Doug that stuff, though.
	The trickiness?
	Or the general?
	Yeah.
	The general racism.
	He hops in the Facebook group and goes, actually, I kind of like it here.
	This is pretty cool.
	This is nice in here.
	Finally, an all-boys group where I can feel right at home as a 38-year-old man.
	This is going to be our last clip.
	I don't know what the moral of today's episode is.
	I don't know, man.
	So I need a second to think about it, but this is how we end things.
	I think we end it over on Steven's show.
	Pierce and Steven's resolution was kind of a stalemate.
	Well, they were like reviewing each other's shitty takes on a shitty guy.
	I mean, they disagreed, but were both being shitty.
	And objectively, as an outsider here, Piers definitely put more pressure on Nick than Steven did.
	Yeah, but Steven's like, hey, man, why'd you hurt him?
	And I mean, you guys, we all know that Steven's a better interviewer.
	It's a different style.
	We're not going to.
	And I don't want to toot Pierce's horn too much, but he's been in journalism for, I don't know, 40 years.
	He was editor-in-chief of the Daily Mirror for forever.
	Piers is that's terrible shit.
	He's fallen off quite a bit.
	Yeah.
	I think he's intentional with what he's doing, though.
	He's trying to sell that book, The Woke is Dead.
	Steven's trying to get me to like him.
	Yeah, very different motives, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is, I think, Steven's final thoughts.
	All right.
	To people out there who are, you know, I know people are going to look at that and go, well, everyone has their own thing as far as where you should press, where you shouldn't, where you disagree.
	But my job as a host is to be fair and to host someone graciously as well as be consistent.
	So not your job.
	People have a problem.
	I don't really give it right.
	No, I don't give it.
	You can swear.
	I don't give a shit.
	And then they play the national anthem?
	I mean, a remix of it.
	After he says, I don't give a shit.
	Well, yeah, I mean, we know that his outro is clearly planned.
	It was live, but yeah, he knew that.
	This is the guy who does double run-throughs for his podcast.
	Yeah.
	Not authentic.
	Never a loose thread.
	The most authentic I've ever seen him is in the ring video and the Sam Cedar video.
	Yeah, that's Steven.
	Pretty much it.
	Post graciously.
	I hope I've.
	That's my whole job.
	Oh, hey, listen.
	Listen.
	As the judge in this courtroom, I just have to host these people having the conversation.
	Still listen?
	I have to listen, hear both sides.
	Be consistent.
	And I'm not here to judge.
	Yeah, we agree.
	Muslims are bad.
	I think they're worse.
	All right.
	Well.
	Is that my uncle?
	Hello?
	Is this going to go?
	Hold on, Byron and Dennis.
	That's right, Dennis.
	It's me, Santa.
	Listen, I'm putting you, all three of you, on why me?
	Well, because you're all here.
	All three of you.
	Someone's saying some really nasty stuff.
	I don't like it one bit, no, sir.
	I'm putting Dennis, Byron, and Jared on the naughty list.
	Oh, no.
	It was Steven and Nick.
	I heard all there was so much racism coming from this podcast.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I don't like that one.
	Santa, this is louder than Crowder.
	It's not louder with Crowder.
	Well, who the hell have I been emailing?
	Where's my mog?
	It's like Santa's COPD.
	That's all I can do.
	It's so cold outside.
	Let me in.
	Santa, thanks for swinging by.
	I appreciate you.
	I'm sorry you went to the wrong house.
	A lump of coal to you, Dennis, Byron, and Jared.
	And to all the listeners of this racist garbage podcast.
	Bombog!
	Man, Santa turned out to be real mean.
	Oh, Santa.
	Well, that's all I can handle.
	That's all I can handle for this week.
	If you disagree with us, I don't let's send us an email.
	I was going to say we could all talk about it on Pierce Morgan or something.
	Yeah, totally.
	Invite us on, please.
	We should all be on a panel on Pierce Morgan as if we're different podcasters.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We can get there.
	I'll message it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, Candace is on next week, so that'll be really cool and exciting.
	Yeah, rate and review us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
	That's kind of a nice little present that gets you gets you off of the naughty list for sure.
	If you do that, that's all I would like for Christmas as well.
	Thanks for hopefully.
	I hope this is the last time we talk about Nick because it really does suck.
	It's like the most boring because it's one note.
	It's easy to get.
	Yep.
	It's got no minds are being changed.
	I don't know.
	Especially not Santa's.
	Yeah.
	Fuck Santa, man.
	Hey.
	I'm still here.
	No, shit.
	Until next episode, I'm Byron.
	I'm Dennis.
	I'm Jared.
	And to all a good podcast.
	Take care.
	You've been listening to an Audio World original produced by Byron McCoy.

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