Louder Than Crowder - EPISODE 71: CAIN IS ABLE or ABC's CELEBRITY DEPUTY (JULY 31ST, 2016)

Sept. 15, 2025 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 71: CAIN IS ABLE or ABC's CELEBRITY DEPUTY (JULY 31ST, 2016)

This week we hop into a time machine to avoid hearing hatful gloating as the world sickens, to explore the roots of Steven's relationship with ICE Superman, Dean Cain. More episode title ideas: -the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Bakery -the Going Rate for Bigotry Oh, there's also another guest on this episode... "THE BOYS" shirts are available NOW! Like what we're doing? Want MORE for FREE? Join the Shrug Club at http://patreon.com/shrugclub Theme music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an Audio World Original.
	As soon as I'm ready, I'll come on you first.
	So I...
	That one's really funny.
	I'll get in there.
	Do a gang vocal effect.
	So I uh rub up.
	So I are come on your first show.
	Pretty close.
	Getting there.
	I'm right here.
	I mean, I'm like high end 62, more more really 6'3 when I was measured, but I have two Hernita discs now.
	And that'll take you down a little bit.
	But yeah.
	Yeah.
	Hi Byron.
	How are you?
	Feeling?
	Good.
	Welcome to Loudder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast.
	Louder with Crowder.
	My name is Byron.
	It's me right here.
	I'm joined tonight.
	Uh in front of me, it's Dennis.
	He brought me a chocolate egg.
	Yeah, brought him a Yaoi.
	Very cool.
	You used to Google Yaowie.
	Don't Google Yelly.
	Wait, what?
	Uh Yowie is not what you believe it is.
	Well, it's called Yao.
	It appears to be a child's toy inside of a child.
	Yeah, you got a Stegosaurus, dude.
	Thank you.
	I also brought you a liquid death.
	I mean, not a sponsor.
	We actually drink.
	Let's not do water talk, because you never know.
	Yeah.
	Never know what's coming down the park.
	I'm looking for a new water brand new experience.
	Yeah, me too.
	Honestly, the water we've been drinking lately is lacking.
	Yeah, dying of it over there.
	It's our Lone Star brother in occupied Texas.
	That's Jared.
	11 on the pavement, if you can believe it.
	Cooking it.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Those dogs.
	It's gonna cool down to a high 80s this weekend because of the rain, but it doesn't matter when you're leaving work and it's a hundred and eleven on the pavement.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Truth.
	Justice in the American way.
	The iconic slogan of Superman popularized on the uh 1950s TV show and cemented in the 1978 film starring Christopher Reeve.
	Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
	Yeah.
	Superman was just by default American and not like worldwide.
	Well, I mean, technically he was Kryptonian, isn't it?
	Yeah, he was Kryptonian.
	But like he came here and was like, of course, yes.
	So DC Comics officially woked the motto to Truth Justice and a Better Tomorrow in 2011, which is of course a more global perspective.
	I guess I'm the global perspective.
	I'm the woke one here.
	You might be.
	But some folks found this frustrating and they struggle to leave the past behind them.
	For example, Dean Kane.
	Fuck, man.
	Who played Superman and Lois and Clark, also known as terrible show, but great show.
	Well, I think you'll like quite a bit.
	Also known as the New Adventures of Superman.
	He has repeatedly referenced the original phrase in interviews and public statements, arguing that the character should maintain its classic ideal, criticizing uh perceived shifts towards woke narratives.
	Superman is heteronormative or nothing at all.
	Let's cancel Superman.
	Yeah, right.
	What's next?
	Super them.
	No.
	Super they're super thin.
	Come on, man.
	Chill the fucking.
	Yeah, I completely agree.
	And uh this is the guy Dean Kane that we're gonna be talking a bit about today.
	Exploring actually his second interview on Louder with Crowder.
	It is their 31st episode ever, July 31st, 2016.
	Uh we're gonna be doing a little bit of time traveling because hell of a week.
	God damn it, man.
	Really cool.
	Yeah, let's go back and talk about D. What's even happening out there right now?
	Honestly.
	Can I share my experience with Dean Kane right now?
	Uh well, hmm.
	Yeah, now it's actually good.
	Okay.
	Let's do it.
	I recently loaded up HBO Max.
	Yeah.
	And I just said, oh, it'd be funny to watch Lois and Clark.
	And I started Lois and Clark.
	Yeah.
	Then they took it off Max.
	Oh.
	So I bought it on Apple TV.
	You purchased $20 for the whole series.
	Oh, I have to affordable.
	How many is that?
	Four series or four seasons, I think.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it's fine.
	That's like the days of like 30 episodes.
	Yeah, they were long.
	The first episode was an hour and a half.
	It's a film.
	Feature.
	And it's not good.
	Like there's a s there's an episode where Superman's powers are allegedly warming up Metropolis, so he gets thrown in jail for saving people on a train because he wasn't legally allowed to use his power.
	Being woke against him.
	It was it was all a scam.
	Wait, is he global warming?
	He was for Metropolis only.
	Huh.
	Yeah, it was a it was a scam.
	It was fake.
	It wasn't real.
	Wow, okay.
	But it's a bad show, but I hate that I'm watching it now, knowing this is how he is.
	I don't know.
	A lot of people hold this show in very high regard, and like we we are talking a little bit about this because for my father's birthday, I took him to the theater.
	We sat in in the reclining seats of an AMC dying in, had some popcorn and sodars, and watched the the new Superman movie.
	The j the woke one.
	The James Gunn one, which James Gunn and you're woke.
	Come on.
	What the hell?
	Yeah.
	Get everyone a gun, James.
	You're telling me this guy doesn't do dead baby jokes anymore?
	What the heck?
	Come on.
	What the hell?
	A really sweet film.
	There's some really nice father-son moments in that that I was like, and I may have, you know, dusty dusty in there too.
	Yeah.
	It's very dusty in there.
	Yeah.
	It's a cool film.
	And I'm not a big superhero guy.
	You know that.
	I talked poorly about that Marvel thing not too long ago.
	Iron Heart.
	I had to talk about it.
	Even though I'm not a big fan.
	But Big But you get the butt.
	I have no idea what the new adventures of Superman Lois and Clark are.
	You've never watched it.
	Never saw it.
	Jared, did you watch it?
	No, but I remember it coming on on like Wednesday nights on TNT.
	Oh, I believe.
	Is that when it was new on TNT?
	I and I uh maybe it's either TNT or USA.
	One of the two.
	And the only reason really why I remember is because it was on after wrestling when I was like.
	Of course.
	All right.
	In uh like sixth grade, seventh.
	New adventures of Louis and Clark, Superman, New Adventures of Lois and Clark.
	That doesn't seem like the right show.
	The cast is phenomenal.
	Who's the who's the this guy?
	Lane Smith, Perry.
	Well, yeah, we got Terry Hatcher, of course.
	Yeah, Terry Atcher.
	This guy are am I right?
	Was I on?
	I I'm looking it up because I feel like you might be correct.
	Season one, they had a certain guy named Jimmy.
	You know, Jimmy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then they replaced him with a different guy, and I don't like when that happens ever in a show.
	They're saying ABC, but I feel like TNT and ABC had syndication kind of things going on.
	So either way, I could be wrong.
	It exactly around that time anyway.
	I definitely watched a couple episodes for sure.
	93.
	93 was the first one, yeah.
	But no, I'm I'm one season into it, and I'm gonna keep I'm gonna finish it.
	Yeah.
	Does Dean say like cool shit during this?
	No.
	No.
	And I hate the idea of Superman's disguise because it's like everyone's dumb.
	You know, like no one is like, hey, weird.
	Superman looks just like Dean Kane with with glasses.
	Glasses.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No one says that at all.
	And like some kids, like there's some kids who realize it, but they were only realizing it because they were on some drug that made them super smart that will eventually make them die.
	You think that people are just generally too dumb to figure it out?
	Glasses can make you go, oh I didn't recognize you.
	I don't know.
	If I pop these bad boys off.
	Yeah, she's all that everybody.
	Every time you do it.
	All right.
	Everyone's gonna be awesome.
	Everyone's all everything.
	Everyone's falling.
	Here's me coming down the stairs.
	This is wonderful.
	That's all it takes.
	If if if Dean Kane came down the stairs, people would realize.
	Alright.
	So yeah, we're gonna be talking Dean, but also, this is interesting.
	What the heck?
	Dean's not alone on this episode.
	Steven invited another guest to join this little mini panel of his.
	And who is it?
	I'm not gonna tell.
	That is until I take a second to thank some folks who support us over at Shrug Dot Club.
	Hello, Shrug Nation.
	You entered the Shrug Shuisha.
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	Uh like double salutes, which I thank you so much.
	I I got some messages about my grandma too, which was very kind.
	Thanks so much for.
	Were they kind messages?
	They were like no one was really no one was stoked on it.
	Disappointed to hear that my grandma passed away.
	So I do appreciate that.
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	Double salutes is a free thing that we do over at Shrug Dot Club.
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	Always will be, really.
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	I'm paying $100 a month.
	Wait, why?
	From a reseller.
	So you're reselling our content?
	Buying the copyright basically.
	I'm buying resold content that I make.
	Okay, well, this seems like a scam.
	It's like Taylor buying her masters back.
	Oh, don't think it's like that, actually.
	That's what they told me.
	Uh some folks choose to support us financially the the right way, directly.
	Directly.
	Not through research.
	We appreciate them bigly.
	Folks like John D. John D. Big D. Not Rockefeller.
	Oh Gundy.
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	John Deere.
	You piece of shit.
	And this is a cool name, Raven.
	Sick name.
	Yeah.
	That's so raven.
	Raven's flock was really cool in wrestling.
	I already already mentioned wrestling once.
	That's two second one.
	And that's where it's gonna end.
	Ka.
	Thank you.
	What a piece of shit.
	And uh yeah, last episode we shouted out someone named Jake E, and you probably just said Jakey or something like that.
	I think I did actually.
	And I I want to say that I I do see that Jake has changed their name.
	Whoa.
	To Jake E. Shrugrat Prime.
	Shrugrat.
	You got a Rugrat theme.
	I'll give it to you.
	I love it.
	Usually I'd plug it in.
	I'm just gonna let Jared do it.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I don't want to do that.
	Yeah, but uh really appreciate you all.
	If you like what we're doing, you if you want us to say your name and extend the vowels of your last initial.
	I will do that.
	Whatever that's whatever it is.
	Yeah, uh your your financial support really does help us out, especially considering I am considering leaving my real job.
	Are you?
	Yeah, kinda.
	So if if you want to maybe consider, I don't know, supporting our little show here so that we could be easier.
	That'd be really great.
	Yeah.
	We could have more time.
	Oh my god, yeah.
	Like it's 10 o'clock right now.
	It's 11 where Jared is, and we're starting right now.
	Yeah, AM, right?
	Yeah.
	We're up late.
	Yeah, I gotta wake up and work up, work in the morning.
	Throw up, work out.
	Throw up, work out.
	Wonderful.
	Uh, but yeah, no, I I do want to say either it doesn't matter if you're paying money.
	I appreciate your ears and the free memberships are great as well.
	But yeah, if you want us to say your name and then say something like Piece of shit.
	That would be really cool if you support us.
	I'll say anything you want me to.
	Well, come on, you're always trying to scheme and scam.
	Dennis can be bought.
	That's the that's what we want.
	We want to put it over.
	Well I have a I have to pay for my addiction to my own show that I'm buying through reshrugers or clubs.
	Join Shrug Nation, be a Shrug Club or also be a piece of shit.
	But there's also other ways that you can support the show, including um I've shown you this.
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	I don't have any.
	You gonna try to resell that?
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	Please don't resell it.
	I tried to put on all my headphones.
	You put it on.
	Well, I'm okay.
	I'm not gonna put it on.
	I might put this on.
	I might put this on though here.
	What is this?
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	What do we got here?
	That's a sick shirt, dude.
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	Yeah, what I mean.
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	Are you showing it to somebody?
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	Okay, I don't know if you're seeing streaming all of a sudden.
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	You guys are uh you guys are wonderful.
	Let's uh let's start listening to some stupid bullshit though, right?
	That's what you're here for.
	So glad to have these next guests with me, despite the technological nightmare.
	We've got two guests, okay, for a couple of reasons.
	Let me set this up.
	We've had both of them on before.
	Milo Yannopoulos, of course, uh big contributor to Bright Bart, brilliant man, and lovely.
	And he's also a super fan of another guest who is one of our first guests on the program, Dean Kane.
	So Milo, Dean, Dean Milo.
	Cheers, mate.
	Good to meet you, Milo.
	Thanks very much for having me, Steven.
	Nice to meet you, Dean.
	Fuck.
	Back to the I hate it.
	The the guest, of course.
	Yeah.
	I hate the way that Steven sounds, for one.
	You don't like his radio voice?
	I don't I don't like pre-douchebags.
	Well, it was a different kind of douchebag.
	He was, yeah.
	He's very much uh this is terrestrial, terrestrial.
	Yeah.
	But Dean Kane doesn't tell Superman.
	I want to hear Superman.
	Well, he's doing a British accent because he's welcoming Milo to the conversation.
	Clearly, electric chemistry right off the battery.
	Between everyone, right?
	BFFs, yeah.
	You know, I actually forgot to mention why we're talking Dean today.
	Three weeks ago, his Instagram account, which of course is at Deuces 1966.
	Deuces 1966 at wow yahoo.com.
	No, I mean maybe that is.
	You might want to reach out to that.
	You can play Yahoo pool with him or something.
	You'll find out later.
	He's a gamer.
	So Yahoo Pooler.
	I'm gonna eat.
	Will you send me that on an email quick?
	Oh, sure.
	Deuces.
	Yeah, 1966.
	Yes.
	He dropped a video with the caption, join ICE.
	We need your help protect America flag emoji, the punch symbol, and then a fist.
	So I was like, wait, what a second, are we we punching the flag?
	Yeah, punching the flag out of the sky.
	Yeah.
	I feel like punching a flag is like um when you hit like a tree branch and it just goes away real quick.
	You know, the nylon can't hit it.
	The nylon kind of burns your knuckles a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's hear let's I mean, before we touch him too hard.
	Yeah, I want to hear what he has to say.
	Dean Kane here.
	And for those who don't know, I am a sworn law enforcement officer, as well as being a filmmaker.
	I felt it was important to join with our first responders to help secure the safety of all Americans, not just talk about it.
	So I joined up.
	And here's your opportunity to join ICE.
	You can earn lots of great benefits and pay.
	Yeah, since President Trump took office, ICE has arrested hundreds of thousands of criminals, including terrorists, rapists, murderers, pedophiles, MS-13 gang members, drug traffickers, you name it.
	Very dangerous people who are no longer on the streets.
	You can defend your homeland and get great benefits, like a $50,000 signing bonus.
	Think about that.
	Student loan repayment legally, enhanced retirement benefits, and special pay for those in the field operations and law enforcement roles.
	I don't get that special pay.
	But you also don't need an undergraduate degree.
	You can get to work right away.
	So if you want to help save America, ICE is arresting the worst of the worst and removing them from America's streets.
	I like that.
	I voted for that.
	They need your help.
	We need your help to protect our homeland and our families.
	So check into it.
	Uh as I said, and join today if it's something that tickles your fancy, because we can use you.
	So is that a cameo that somebody bought?
	No.
	Because he definitely sounded like he was just reading a cameo message.
	Hey, don't we got one of them actors here?
	Hey, Dean, could you read this for us?
	Blocked comments there, but a lot of comments on this one.
	Worst Superman ever has almost 8,000 likes on this post.
	Pretty cool.
	When your acting career crumbles is fallen to numbers two slot here.
	We're counting up, I guess.
	Well, we're counting down direct in eat in terms of likes.
	Sure, sure, okay.
	Not a single positive comment.
	I'm proud of this community.
	It's kind of fun.
	I thought you were Christian.
	My mistake.
	Whoops.
	And uh half Japanese and anti-immigrant.
	My son is half Japanese and proud to be the child of immigrants.
	I smell narcissism.
	I don't think he's a corner Japanese, but I think so.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But still obviously like you're a child of immigrants.
	Yeah.
	This is not being terribly well received.
	Yeah, of course not.
	Superman would not want to immigrants hear like that.
	Well, you but but you want to join Ice.
	Ice, right?
	$50,000 signing box.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and a hundred thousand criminals that they've removed from this country.
	Did y'all you know about that $50,000 bonus, though, right?
	Wait, what's it about?
	It's uh heavily publicized but tightly restricted.
	Oh.
	Oh no.
	What do you have to do?
	Like duration plus like I think like the initial one was not advertised as this, but I think what they were trying to put out there was that it was like most to 100 wins, and it's like if you kind of get 30 days sort of situation.
	Who in their first 30 days can like deport the most people and like who sells the most cars time?
	Yeah, yeah, and it's like just cash incentive for that essentially.
	So that's why they're grabbing up people so it's like if the ferociously if the goods was a show about ice.
	Jesus.
	Yeah, I just Jeremy Pivin didn't didn't uh yeah, the Piv Dog.
	Didn't the Duck Dynasty and maybe Christy Gnome try to pitch this as a thing?
	Like I or uh no, I'm sorry, it was like the DPRT Olympics where it's like they're all competing for like a single Yeah, they were gonna do it.
	You can you can earn your citizenship in a reality show.
	They were called American Gladiators.
	Interesting.
	Dean was part of American Gladiators.
	Was he really new American Gladiators is coming out, dude?
	We gotta get some dominoes and watch that.
	So I well, it wasn't dominoes.
	We were getting pizza at Pizones and watching American Gladiators.
	That's kind of our thing.
	Don't you hit it?
	Someone commented that it sounds like we've been good friends for a very long time, and that's a dynamic they like about this show.
	And then uh I told them the truth that this was an open casting call, and we didn't really know each other before starting the show.
	It's kind of like a boy band of podcasting.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Exactly.
	So we had loop loop rolling in a podcast and got us all together.
	You ever remember together we did an American uh idol for podcasting to get her?
	To get her?
	No, I don't remember that one.
	We we harmonize really well as podcasters, you know.
	The MTV movie, TV show movie.
	No, I don't remember that at all.
	It was very funny.
	All right, let's get let's get the Dean Kane filmmaker thing out of the way.
	He's a filmmaker.
	Did say that.
	What's he made?
	Well, it's funny.
	I mean, clearly a struggling actor break after close.
	After that's funny you said that.
	It reminds me of Ben uh Benham Lake Beckham, which kind of relates here a little bit.
	Boom.
	Uh yeah, he bad actor hasn't done a lot.
	I mean, he's done a lot, just not a lot of good after uh Lois and Clark.
	But uh he did direct two things.
	He's got two efforts under his belt.
	Pure Country Two, the gift.
	Not the first one though, yeah.
	No, no, first one.
	And actually, he didn't even do the film really.
	He directed, actually co-directed the music video segments.
	Okay.
	Okay, cool.
	That makes sense.
	For pure country.
	For pure country too, the gift in 2010.
	This is interesting.
	This year, 2025, Little Angels came out.
	Little angels.
	Little angels.
	Okay.
	After a hot shot college football coach is suspended and sentenced to community service.
	He's forced to coach a ragtag girls soccer team learning humanity teamwork and personal growth along the way.
	Which is so not little giants.
	Not little giants, not mighty ducks.
	It's it's pretty much like all of those, I think.
	Mighty cucks is what it was.
	Excuse me?
	Huh?
	What the hell?
	Little angels.
	The little Anaheim angels.
	But because they're angels, they're girls.
	So written in what was the big green?
	Remember that one?
	No, it's that the one with soccer.
	Yeah, soccer.
	No, l ladybugs with Ronnie Dangerfield.
	Lady was with like the boy playing on the girls' soccer team to make it good.
	Yeah, that's a little woke, don't you think?
	Yeah, good luck making that one now.
	I can't get no respect.
	You know.
	Yeah.
	Um, so yeah, Dean wrote, directed, and starred in it along with uh your favorite whipping boy or whipping cow, Brian Callan.
	No fucking.
	Yeah, Brian's in that.
	So maybe we should watch we should probably watch Little Angels.
	Do you want to have a commentary on Trug Club?
	Would you do a little angels watch party and we could do a commentary track?
	Yeah, of course.
	We could do a we should do a little angel launch party that people can join.
	Watch party, not launch party.
	We're gonna relaunch it.
	Relaunch it.
	All right.
	Let's have a watch party and send it out to Shrug Clubbers.
	Let them join.
	Wow, that's not a bad idea.
	So both of these films.
	Little rascals, right?
	What?
	Well, that guy, he that guy's uh I don't know if you're following him.
	Yeah, he actually shut down the YouTube channel.
	He has decided to go.
	Uh Bug Hall.
	He he don't like his daughters, he can't get no respect.
	I love Bug Hall.
	He's living in the woods with No electricity at this point.
	He's done.
	So no man.
	So it's pretty child acting's hard.
	Fucks you up.
	It's not easy.
	Not good, these films.
	Very much family faith-based films.
	I we gotta jump to his his law enforcement background.
	Yeah, what do you say?
	He was like a voluntary law enforcement or an honorary.
	Yeah, Dean Kane.
	Very publicly identified as a sworn sworn deputy sheriff and reserve police officer for the last decade or so.
	Like Dwight Shrute.
	Kinda, yeah, yeah.
	So largely honorary, like you're saying, or part time, often associated with public relations or community initiatives rather than actual like front lines.
	My officer Dean Kane here.
	Yeah, he's not he's not on the beat, you know, he's not solving crimes or he's doing like signings on like Dean Kane officer trading cards or like the local precinct at the fair.
	At the gas pump, that thing that says drive away without paying.
	It could be the last time with like a picture of Dean Kane as a cop.
	Yeah, of course, because also you don't want to disappoint Dean Kane.
	Yeah, of course not.
	I would never disappoint Dean Kane.
	Dean's got two guns for something.
	There's two of them.
	You never see a cop with two pistols.
	And he's like, he's like, I did that.
	And but it's Dean.
	Yeah, yeah, that's kind of fun.
	So yeah, he was sworn in as a reserve police officer in St. Anthony, Idaho in 2018.
	Uh, in this event, it was like a big to-do that involved I mean, pretty much introducing him.
	Yeah, who wants it?
	Who wants a gun?
	Who wants a gun?
	It's like the it's uh you know, like a CBS show that never aired.
	Celebrity deputy.
	That sounds like some real early ABC reality.
	Yeah.
	His swearing in uh it just involved community outreach efforts, basically.
	Primarily focused on anti-bullying, suicide prevention, and child internet safety, which cool.
	That's good stuff.
	Great stuff.
	And that's the I mean that's that's I guess where celebrity deputizing helps, I guess.
	I don't know if it actually helps.
	I think that I don't need to know that he's a police officer to be positively impacted by the things he said.
	I'm pretty sure like it doesn't work unless it's Shaq.
	And I think that there's probably some amount of like data behind that to back in.
	That's true.
	If Shaq was a deputy, if he had to fit in like a small outfit or something, that'd be kind of cool, right?
	Well, it's like um when uh Tom Selleck does the reverse mortgage.
	Yeah, that doesn't make you want to do it, right?
	It doesn't make him do it.
	No, but he it I wouldn't want to do it more if he's like, listen, I became a banker to prove that this is good.
	And it flashes honorary.
	Yeah, like this is kind of weird.
	Honorary banker?
	So yeah, he later joined the Pocatello police department in Idaho.
	Uh similarly as a reserve officer, same kind of ceremonial stuff, uh school speaking events and assisting in general campaigns.
	But he also holds the the title sworn deputy sheriff with the Frederick County Sheriff Office in Virginia, but again, his involvement in day-to-day policing or crime fighting appears minimal.
	I don't know for certain, but yeah, more community-oriented responsibilities rather than actual investigations because of course he's not a detective, he's an actor.
	And again, when you flashed that Bill Ripkin fuck face card, you're not fooling me, buddy.
	Oh, God.
	Nothing worse than uh a cop who isn't a cop, right?
	Yeah, right.
	How fast can you pull that thing out?
	He just drops the wallet instead.
	Except maybe being an ice officer.
	I think that's worse, huh?
	That is very worse.
	Yeah, I think that you should flush your head in the toilet yourself.
	Have you seen these uh his his ice recruitment video?
	I mean that one you just showed me, that's all I've seen.
	Oh my god.
	I haven't seen anything he's posted because now I'm gonna watch Superman.
	Yeah, I ruined this for you.
	He'll be like, Lois, I love you.
	And she'll be like, I gotta love Superman.
	And then you see him, a 50-some year old man crawling through an obstacle course really slowly on Fox News.
	Yeah, it's pretty cool.
	He's doing like the Spartan race.
	Yeah.
	Listen, he's almost 60 years old.
	I don't I don't judge him for being winded, but at the same time, he didn't need to run through an obstacle course on national television to recruit people to join a uh ice, uh a gang of folks just snatching up people and and disappearing them off the streets.
	Yeah, you could encourage people to join a local food bank.
	You could there's so many, so many good things you could be doing.
	So many volunteer options.
	Instead, go join ice so you can arrest people that you think that you think are criminals just because you've defined them as criminals.
	Yeah he said that if he had the opportunity to actually be on the street and do it that he would love to you would love to?
	Yeah he would love to just join the efforts to you know uh remove people from their families.
	That's what I think is so gross about this is like like being a police officer is a a sense of of uh pride in in actually stopping real crime.
	Sure.
	When there's real crime happening yeah yeah and I can understand that but I would never be like oh man you know what I love most is when I arrest people I really like disrupting people's lives.
	The things that that cops like is they're like I like when I can see a child be reunited with their parent being missing make positive change in people's lives or protect people who are in danger.
	Oh the best part's definitely when I uh when I arrest the murderer it's the part that I love the most I got him I pulled them over for the fourth time and now they actually have to go to jail.
	Yeah.
	This is really fun.
	So yeah clearly Dean Kane he originally just posted his like pro ice video and then got almost bullied by the comments section into actually joining ice and then he found himself in that recruitment video talking about it on Fox News it was just this kind of like tumbling down of obligation which I kind of enjoyed watching I bet you wouldn't join ice you bitch.
	I guess I have to know widely criticized at this point lacks any legitimate credentials or experience even though he was a a deputy and officer two times people just have been mocking him almost relentlessly I mean you read the comments section it's it's it's brutal and it's embarrassing and I'm loving it.
	he just turned the comments off.
	You didn't need the comments on.
	You didn't need to do any of this, but...
	Yeah, he's getting paid money.
	You think he's getting paid money?
	Yes, he was reading a message fully for that.
	Oh, he said that he got a letter thanking him from Trump, but not even a phone call from Trump, which is kind of funny, but...
	A letter thanking him?
	Thanking him for this, yeah.
	Yeah, he was reading a scripted message for sure.
	Did you hear that Trump sent a letter to Cracker Barrel encouraging them to change the logo back?
	No.
	Oh, I know that he tweeted about it.
	they're changing their logo back.
	They are yeah yeah so that's what a fucking stupid world we live in.
	I just saw the AI where they like Trump walks in to like the empty logo and then like the old the what the what's the guy that sits there next to the city the old timer?
	I think so I don't know what wet mic and he uh he he walks in and they kind of do a little dance together and Trump does his little like sawing his head off move.
	Oh yeah he does the the hereditary dance the hereditary yeah everyone do the Tony Colette.
	This is the a week after he joined ICE he posted a meme that said you mad it's got a picture of Superman cape on a mannequin it says here's a cape now you can be super mad what the fuck does that mean like uh he's now you're are you mad now you're super mad because you're wearing the Superman I think that just like by way of like talking if you say cracker barrel it's like you're fucking mad about it.
	You can't even talk about cracker bear without being mad about it.
	Yeah yeah I hate the world world's pretty bad well um Milo though you love that guy I love Milo yeah I forgot about Milo until this moment but I love him.
	You're so civil now you were like Milo you were geeking out about it over Twitter.
	Like if you I don't owe anybody anything but if you could introduce me to Dean Kane I owe you one that wasn't quite what I said.
	I think what I said was oh yeah I know that guy yeah I guess that would be cool I mean if you really need a guest this week I mean sure um I think I was way cooler about it than that.
	Well well Steven is trying to embarrass Milo in front of his best friend Dean Kane.
	Yeah I didn't I mean I I said oh I like I like him he's cool.
	It's an early example of how Steven when he's uncomfortable loves to kind of rebalance who's in control of the situation.
	It's it's a confidence move and uh clearly in front of Dean Kane and Milo who at the time much more popular than Steven Crowder decides to take control of the situation by embarrassing Milous and I don't feel bad.
	No.
	For anyone I guess.
	How could you yeah but I I do think that this is embarrassing and quite the start to a lovely conversation.
	You said something interesting Milo so obviously Dean I mean you know Lois and Clark is what what I grew up on.
	And then Milo, what do you call it in the UK?
	You don't say Lois and Clark.
	No, I think we called it the New Adventures of Superman, which is a terrible name.
	But yeah.
	Wait, would insult him right off the back.
	What?
	You insulted him?
	I don't think so.
	No.
	He's uncomfortable.
	Did Dean Kane make the show?
	Dean Kane made the show, wrote it, directed it.
	Of course, also he has just wrapped principal photography of Holy One.
	Oh, great.
	Definitely.
	I'm gonna go see that in theaters.
	I I truly think that this is just like one of the most uncomfortable starts to a live interview I've ever heard.
	And the show was called Lois and Clark the New York City.
	Well, I mean, yeah, in the US, it was Lois and Clark.
	No, it was Los Angeles.
	That was a full working yeah.
	And then that's that if you when I bought an Apple TV, that's what it was labeled as.
	Just doesn't matter, right?
	It doesn't matter.
	And that's also not a terrible name.
	I mean That's fine.
	Is it a terrible name?
	The new adventures of Lois and Clark is kind of cool though.
	Yeah.
	Uh Fun Dip was out, by the way.
	Oh, who's Fun Dip era?
	Yeah.
	Oh man, I tell you what.
	He was out, and he's a comic book guy, so that was kind of interesting.
	Oh, he would have loved it.
	Yeah, he would have had a great time here.
	But that's okay.
	Milo, you were a big fan of the new adventures of Superman.
	Dean, do you find that there's a different kind of fan in the UK versus the United States?
	Like are they I mean, obviously Milo's different, you know, because he just has a total crush on you.
	But like for the general fan.
	Oh my gosh, so you know, you find a different reaction everywhere.
	In some places, this is this was particularly true twenty years ago.
	It's not so much now because everything gets released at the same time internationally.
	Uh before it was about three to six, eight, ten months, maybe sometimes a year before the show would air in another country.
	So um there were certain areas of the show did very well the UK, Australia, France, um, and there was places and Brazil, you just it's just odd where the show did well.
	Um, but I don't find the the fans to be tremendously different.
	No, I would imagine that like in Egypt, they would have to blur out like we talked about Terry Hatcher's bosoms in the intro, but in France, they would just photoshop it so you could see nipple.
	That's why I like France.
	Yeah.
	We're just a couple of guys having a great time on the radio.
	In the French Day show to some of you for it.
	Oh, just doing a little bit of the locker room tag.
	This is terrestrial radio, remember?
	You can't say that.
	You have to say bosoms, of course.
	The breast.
	I mean, truly I don't have a lot to say about this.
	I'm kind of just setting the tone here.
	Yeah, Braxton Mitchell with the whatever that word is.
	I what I find funny about this is that Dean is talking so far about this like he doesn't know who anybody he's talking to is kind of well, he doesn't really know Steven Crowder that well.
	Yeah.
	It's it's very much like uh he's just doing like a tour to explain the show kind of a vibe.
	But it's years after the show.
	This is this is 2016, and he's still talking about the new adventures of Lois and Clark.
	Of Lewis and Clark.
	Of Lewis and Clark.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah, wow.
	They stayed they stayed in Traveler's Rest in Lola Montana, doesn't it?
	And then they go to break and then they come back after playing Wizard songs, you know.
	Yeah, of course.
	So glad to be back.
	Okay, so we'll talk politics because we have an eclectic mix, and we were just talking about Kojak and Dean Kane doesn't like being called a pretty boy.
	I saw you at American Gladiator.
	I get that you're an athlete, okay.
	And uh having worked in the entertainment industry, I'm sure it must bother you because all of these actors.
	Here's my here's my theory, Dean.
	I'm a pretty big guy, right?
	I'm about six two two and a quarter.
	Wow.
	And um I've been on big a boy are you in Hollywood, I'm cargantuan.
	You're gigantor, yeah.
	Uh I was in a film called The Covenant, where it was like Chase Crawford, Steven, all these like the pretty boys, the CW pretty boys, yeah.
	And um, here's my 5'10, 130.
	Right, yes, exactly.
	And uh, you know, but they they got the six pack.
	Now, all of these actors, right?
	They're given these these training tips and stuff.
	Dean, how co let's be honest.
	Steroids are so common.
	You were an actual athlete, you played football.
	As a general rule, though, Hollywood consists of drama geeks, only now you have to turn drama geek into Batman.
	And it's like, oh, I can't do a push-up, but I have to be 220 within three months.
	How common are the steroids in the industry?
	Because I know several people who've done them.
	I don't know anybody who's done them, to be honest.
	Really?
	Oh, come on.
	I really don't.
	I mean, I I only knew like Three football players who did.
	People keep something about me, they just keep the drugs away.
	Maybe I just uh I frown upon them so openly.
	But so I've never I I don't know anybody who has.
	I mean, I look at somebody like The Rock and the way he is jacked up so much, and I thought he's probably got a little help.
	And that's too much, and I just worry about him in about ten years.
	Um, but other than that, I mean, whether it's uh Zach Afron who's you know, as tiny as they come.
	I mean, he's tiny, but yeah, he's shredded and ripped.
	I don't know if these guys are doing steroids, so I really don't have a clue.
	I know I've never done it.
	That's that's for sure, and I really don't know anybody who has.
	Alright, fine.
	There you go.
	He's that's the truth.
	I mean, I wish I could tell you otherwise.
	Dean Kane, the politician.
	Let's get into politics.
	We'll get into a second.
	Shrunden and Ripped steroid questions a bust.
	I'm fucked, guys.
	I don't have anything.
	Yeah, I know a lot of guys that do it.
	Do you know anyone that does it?
	Not at all.
	Actually, I think you're I think you're wrong.
	Actually, you don't know anything about Hollywood, Steven.
	I think you have an idea of your personal insecurities around people who may be more physically fit than you.
	Consider this.
	That there's these big guys.
	I'm a big guy, Dean.
	How big a boy do you think I am?
	If you had to guess my height from looking at me, how how close would you be?
	How many quarters have I?
	I mean, I think Steven had maybe a tough time on a film set in the 17th century where five families with supernatural powers make a pact of silence.
	What is he was in that?
	Eventually, one power hungry family is banished.
	The descendants of those four remaining families are heirs to tremendous power, known as the sons of Ipswitch.
	The boys they attend an elite uh school called the Spencer Academy, where a student there is found dead after a party, unraveling secrets that threaten to shatter the pact that has protected the boys' families for centuries.
	And yes, Dennis, the 2016 film, the cut pardon me, 2006 film, The Covenants, does star Steven Crowder.
	If you look at the cast, he's very, very, very much at the bottom listed as party kid.
	Have we watched this?
	No, no, no.
	I have the yeah, it's on Tubi.
	We can watch this for sure for free.
	We need to watch it for sure, dude.
	We'll have a launch party.
	Like you have to give your all of your information to the government to watch it on Tubi for free.
	Is that right?
	That's how that works.
	The government owns.
	You have to send in your ID like pornhouse.
	You have to imagine that they're just selling all of your information.
	I mean, the sad thing is like this film had like Taylor Kitch, Sebastian Stan was in this.
	Steven was in a film with some real celebrities.
	Real quick, can we see who added Steven to this Wikipedia article?
	Because I bet it's Steven or Gerald.
	No, I'm he's in the I mean he's he's been listed.
	This was on this has been on my radar for a very, very long time.
	I know, but he's as a party kid.
	Yeah, I guess you're right.
	He's like an extra.
	I bet I bet if we look at the change log of this particular one, it was changed by Gerald.
	Gerald Morgan, yeah.
	I mean, you you do that.
	I'm not gonna do that right now.
	The covenant.
	Yeah, from 2006.
	I believe I have clicked through this, and there wasn't enough Steven to justify us doing like a full episode of the case.
	Of course not.
	He's a party kid.
	Like to save a life actually had the big ugly in it.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Where he actually did so.
	Yeah, an acting role.
	To my knowledge, I might have to revisit it, but I I didn't find much content in there.
	So yeah, the steroid question went nowhere.
	So Steven's gonna scrap that block of 10 to 15 minutes that he had planned.
	And we're gonna know about doing gear.
	Yeah.
	He wanted to he went some uh, I guess I don't know.
	He wanted to shame some celebrities, some actors who are on gear, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Something to get political with politics.
	So Dean, you said you were libertarian last time you were on.
	And then we have Milo, who uh for the record is super gay, but is socially more conservative than you.
	So uh I'm really not that much of a homosexual.
	I mean, you know, I don't even like them.
	I don't like them.
	If I if I if I were straight, I would be the biggest homophobe, I swear.
	Um, you know, like I don't I don't even like them very much.
	Um no.
	Um I don't find that socially conservative.
	I mean, I know that I'm not a libertarian because you know a lot of my friends libertarians.
	I uh uh so many of my friends and colleagues libertarians, but I sort of think, you know, it's all well and good until you realize that you know, actually it'd be better if your daughter did not grow up to be a crackhaw.
	Um it is quite good to enforce the morality and maybe put incentives in the tax system to encourage people to behave well.
	And you know, but the other thing about libertarians is you know, or on the whole, libertarians are such children, they're but they're obsessed with two things.
	They're obsessed with weed and hacking.
	And all they ever want to hear about is like where the next eighth is coming from, and Edward Bloody Snowden.
	Um is all they have to talk about.
	All they want to talk about.
	Weed and hacking.
	Weed and hacking.
	I mean, it's a perpetually 17.
	So Dean's a libertarian, Milo.
	Maybe you should cool it a little bit.
	I think you're kind of going hard on this whole weed and hacking thing.
	It's funny, though, the trends.
	This is kind of what I love about the time travel episodes, you You know, it's like early Steven in his transition from stand-up to politics and YouTube.
	He's always talking about the Tea Party movement.
	And now we're talking about libertarians, you know.
	Eventually it shifts into like alt-right stuff after that, which is kind of fun because things got a little bit spicy, but it is interesting.
	This obsession with libertarianism, you know.
	Both Milo and Dean Kane identified as that early on.
	Now I don't know where Milo is, but Dean is definitely like a MAGA guy.
	Libertarianism, they're like anti-tax, really.
	You know, and I think that it's it's not necessarily that they're anti.
	I don't think they actually are anti-tax, they're just anti spending tax on There's anti-stuff.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Social programs.
	Because like the libertarians I knew were like soldiers who were like getting paid by tax dollars.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	I'm I've almost struck down the date.
	Oh, you're so I was getting also asked, yeah, for that update on the Covenant update here.
	Weed and hacking.
	Uh Jared's a hacker who loves weed, right?
	He loves Nebula.
	I'm out here and I'm um getting on getting big ripped and I'm I'm playing with the flipper zero man.
	I'm going around to businesses and I'm getting into them at I'm at the Orange Theory Gym.
	Gotta keep it.
	I'm so high.
	I'm so high in the locker room that I can't even lift a weight, not even close.
	You're not ranking because you're not even participating.
	What the hell?
	I'm I'm going out of there and I'm I'm going in the back door of like the hamburger shack.
	What is his character?
	I kind of love it.
	I'm I'm Milo?
	I'm uh yeah, I'm a I'm a follower of Milo Yeninopolis, and I'm hacking with my flipper zero.
	My multi-tool device for geeks like me.
	Almost Elon, right?
	Almost.
	Well, that these are these are all of my heroes and one man.
	I'm so h I'm I'm flipping out with my flipper zero.
	Um yeah, I think we're gonna get learn a little bit more about Dean's positions here.
	Yeah.
	Well, that I think it may be a slightly different definition in the UK as it is here, or the way I look at it, maybe I'm just defining it differently, because I'm a very much a small government guy.
	Um weed, as far as I'm concerned, legalize, regulate, tax it.
	I could care less, I don't smoke it.
	My son doesn't smoke it.
	I'm a father of a 15-year-old.
	He is not I thought you were about to say I'm a father of 15.
	I was like, what?
	That's entirely possible, but not to my knowledge.
	Watching even the spandex, I knew that he would be fucked.
	Yeah, Dean Kane is so fertile.
	You look at him wrong, you get pregnant.
	Sorry, go ahead, Dean.
	You get twins.
	It's just shut down any sort of momentum the show has, and uh yeah, speak loudly over your guest.
	I thought you were gonna say 15 kids.
	Wait, what?
	How many kids 15 kids?
	Yeah, you didn't need to.
	No, I'm sorry.
	I'm just I'm nitpicking him because this it's just kind of embarrassing.
	Yeah, it's stepping on Dean Kane.
	I don't know if I would invite someone on the show and step on him, but I don't know.
	It yeah, yeah, there's I don't know.
	There's uh he's not space ghost, you know.
	You know, so I'm a big I'm a small government guy.
	Uh I'm just socially a little more liberal, and that sort of lines me up in in at least in the in the United States, I believe, more as a libertarian.
	But I'm I'm I'm more hawkish when it comes to things dealing with the military and foreign policy than a lot of libertarians, and and so it's hard to really define myself, but but my views socially tend to be very libertarian.
	I it makes sense that even back then Dean Kane was very much uh a hawk, uh, especially surrounding the military, because he actually was very close friends with Chris Kyle, the American sniper.
	You familiar?
	Yeah, I had uh like attempt at my job for a while.
	Mm-hmm.
	Who would wear this shirt that said like you know, like the pr like sort of like the presidential or like I'm trying to think, sports club sort of like a crest almost, but like like crossed a crossed logo or something.
	And it was it was Chris Kyle looking to the left.
	Oh no.
	With and it Said like Chris Kyle, and then like in like the banner it said American Sniper, and it said like for America number one or something ridiculous like that on it.
	Would you be surprised if I were to tell you that that is the exact shirt I believe Dean Kane was wearing in his ice announcement on Instagram?
	Really?
	Yeah, still wearing it.
	Except this one has the Punisher skull, but he's got two of them here, right side by side, which have different logos, but they're both American sniper t-shirts, which is that rules.
	So yeah, but real quick, if you don't know Chris Kyle, uh he's the the guy, he was a what is he, a Navy SEAL who's subject to the film American Sniper.
	He unfortunately he died.
	Didn't he get shot at a shooting range?
	February second, twenty thirteen.
	He died.
	But yeah, they were the first one.
	Bradley Cooper was him, Clint Eastwood directed, and he held the fake baby.
	Remember that?
	Oh yeah, they had the really, really fake looking baby.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't know if I hated those films.
	I'm kind of a sucker for those types of action films.
	I I'm more interested in that one with Mark Wahlberg where like all those soldiers just came getting shot like a million times.
	He tried to sue and I'm sorry, this is number four right here.
	This is uh uh cold number four, just because we're on the subject.
	Sure.
	He sued Jesse Ventura.
	Wait, why?
	Who did?
	Uh Chris Kyle sued Jesse Ventura.
	In his book, American Sniper, Kyle wrote subchapter titled Punching Out Scruff Face about an alleged altercation in a bar.
	In the book, he claims he punched a man refers to a scruff face for allegedly saying you deserve to lose a few guys.
	Being critical of the Iraq war, according to Kyle, the encounter took place at MCP's a bar in Colorado, California.
	Or sorry, Coronado, California, on October 12th, 2006, during a wake for Kyle's comrade Michael A. Monsour, a U.S. Navy SEAL who had been killed in Iraq.
	Petty Officer Monsour was post posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.
	Kyle appeared on opening Anthony to discuss his book on the show.
	Kyle alleged the character Scruff in his book is former governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura.
	Wow.
	Okay, so that's deep.
	That's interesting.
	Why didn't he just say it was Jesse Ventura?
	You know?
	So I I did I did I forgot to mention Dean and Chris are friends because they work together.
	Uh they were paired up as teammates on the reality TV competition series Stars Earn Stripes.
	These are America's boots on the ground.
	Navy Sale, the Delta Force, Green Beret.
	But next Monday, eight celebrities will try to fill their shoes.
	Real missions with the people who do it for real.
	This is beyond intense from Mark Burnett and Dick Wolf.
	There's no going back.
	No room for error.
	A tribute to American bravery.
	This is epic.
	Stars earn stripes.
	Careers next Monday, 8-7 Central here on NDC.
	In 2012, which the on the show, uh, celebrities, including people, I guess, like Dean Kane, were partnered with military professionals and undertook military-style missions.
	Training, traveling, and spending time together on the production.
	That's how they became really close.
	And um Yeah, Kane said that Kyle was a great mentor and very humble.
	I don't know how they placed on Stars Earn Stripes, and I can't imagine there was a season two.
	So there's no way that show was like popular, right?
	Yeah, you're like I've got some dates for us here.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yes.
	Finally, I'll I knew you guys were waiting for him.
	Uh the 11th of June 2017, someone named Sniper No Sniping added Steven Crowder as party kid.
	And that's a reference to the children's show where I think it's Swipe.
	Swiper No Sniping.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Um Sniper No Sniping, and that account is banned.
	It's uh a suspected sock puppet account of Troy Shoals.
	So yeah, that's that's that.
	That's what I have.
	And while we're doing updates, uh Stars Earn Stripes, one season, 2012.
	Other celebrities on this.
	Terry Cruz, Nick La Shea.
	The classic.
	Yeah Nick Lachet's like the classic celebrity guest.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They just like I guess I'm free.
	I'm all right.
	Yeah, became streets there.
	Interesting.
	And available.
	Todd Palin?
	Maybe Sarah Palin's husband.
	Former husband of Governor Sarah Pitling.
	Wow, interesting.
	And watch now for free.
	On Tubi.
	Fandango difference.
	Damn, dude.
	I watch Pluto TV all the time.
	Yeah, I know you're you're a Pluto head.
	We should probably talk about what we're doing.
	Alright, cool.
	I think things are heating up.
	I'm more skeptical about same-sex marriage.
	Most of you think it makes homosexuals really boring.
	I mean, the only good thing about being gay was you know, it was being able to sort of break all the rules, stumble out of a club, bleary-eyed at 4 p.m. on a Monday afternoon, and nobody could judge you.
	Nobody can judge you.
	Keep in mind this was two years before Milo's big cancellation.
	I think it was January 2016 on an episode of a podcast.
	Is that a show you're familiar with?
	No.
	Milo said, quote, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly life-affirming, important friendships between younger boys and older men, those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable sort of rock where they can't speak to their parents.
	Interesting.
	He's starting off ambiguous, I guess.
	He continues, in a homosexual world, particularly some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, those relationships, the sort of coming of age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable and sort of rock, he said.
	And then he described his own teenage experiences with older men as quote perfectly consensual, adding, quote, I think in the gay world, some of the most important enriching and incredibly life informing friendships have been between younger boys and older men.
	I think that I repeat that I might have.
	Actually, no.
	No, you didn't, it just was repetitive talk.
	In the fallout of that, he had a press conference saying that he uh had actually been molested as a child and that his comments were a way to cope with it.
	Sure.
	Which that makes sense.
	Yeah, I want to say, like, yeah, at that point he also d declined to identify as abusers and discuss the incident in any detail, and he has all the right in the world to say that.
	I mean, maybe he shouldn't have said the other stuff for sure, uh, supporting pedophilic relationships between younger boys and older men and older men.
	Yeah, that's uh well I think I think if anything, a lot of those are uh like a product of forcing people into a life of secrecy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, I mean uh a like listen, this is all trauma stuff that he's working through, clearly.
	Totally.
	But normalizing that in a public place as an influential, you know, yeah, guest is not it.
	It's hard enough to say hey, I was abused.
	It's harder to say, hey, I was abused because I'm gay.
	Well, and you know and it's wrong to say, hey, I was abused and it wasn't abuse, and it's okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then eventually after that, he uh uh became ex-gay.
	I don't know if you remember that arc for Milo.
	Yeah, he was not gay for a while.
	He was sodomy-free, which was something he was really gay and sodomy-free.
	You can be.
	Yeah.
	He thought it was uh something worth publicly discussing on his telegram channel, because he implying it's a bad thing.
	And then he was gay again, but in the middle of that, he actually made fun of me and said that not even my dog loves me.
	I remember that.
	Thanks, Milo.
	I don't even know what I did to him.
	What did I say?
	I don't remember.
	It wasn't like I I don't, I might have called him out on something, but not very kind.
	I forgot about you getting a tweet from him.
	It was a telegram DM.
	He actually screencapped my uh picture with my dog and republished it on his telegram to publicly shame me about I don't know, yeah, saying that not even my dog loves me.
	I'm looking at my dog right now.
	He's he's ready for me to go to bed.
	He loves me, right?
	I think he does.
	Thanks.
	Appreciate it.
	Hey, do you love him?
	And then he became campaign manager or general manager for Kanye Yeah West.
	I think he still is his manager.
	I'm not weird, man.
	Very weird.
	Uh August 5th, though, of 2024, he tweeted at 13 I was raped by a priest.
	His name was uh Friar Michael.
	He died years ago.
	Uh I said some stupid shit, trying to make sense of it, which was used against me in 2017.
	The idea that this translates to Milo is a pedo, is so warped and dark that anyone who says it is dead to me forever.
	I don't know, Milo.
	I think that there's a a a discussion that you probably should have had In a public way that, you know, I don't know.
	There's just a better way to handle all this.
	Yeah, well, I mean, I think that I'm trying not to be too sympathetic to to Milo here, but it's clear that there was some trauma in his past, and even in how he talks about homosexuality, it's in such a deal.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Dealing with it in public is also like go go go away.
	Yeah.
	You have to like leave.
	And he's just been like pivoting to the next thing and the next thing and like whoever like just following and free falling through his career and like whatever life and like whoever like he can like fall on to and like hold him up for a little bit, and right now it's like a billionaire who for some somehow a billionaire uh Nazi sympathizer.
	A wishy washy Nazi sympathizer, I guess.
	Yeah.
	What a what a life, you know.
	Like sometimes I don't know.
	I think about like Dennis and I, when we were in Chicago and we talked to Nick Fuentes, that was like the day that basically it was like the birth of their relationship or like the possibility of their relationship.
	Yeah, we asked him about it too.
	Yeah, it's just such a wild trajectory that I never would have expected.
	I I mean, like Nick and Kanye had never talked when we talked to Nick, and then a year later, he's in the info war studio next to Milo, Nick, and Kanye wearing a gimp mask, you know.
	Like I would have never expected that.
	Well, I think you know we've all had friends in our life who like kind of go from like friendship to friendship, relationship to relationship, trying to find like a meaning in that.
	Fill the hole, yeah.
	Yeah, I think that's what Milo does with a lot of the stuff.
	It's just kind of just but it's d it's always digging, though.
	He's never like trying to like you know, he could he could like I don't know God now.
	I'm I'm still going back to that w opposite of a well.
	You don't need to be like, oh, okay, so I've said the T slur, I said the F slur, and I've said the N-word, like you know, what Steven is kind of doing now, like this this regression.
	Like you don't need to just keep trying to find like the worst thing to do to try to make yourself relevant.
	But it seems like that's that's what these guys are doing.
	What else is there to do?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's kind of like the kid who would like act out and and do things that were bad because that's how they got attention.
	But you're gonna run out of things bad to do eventually.
	Yeah, yeah, right.
	Like I mean, no.
	I guess not.
	Like you'll definitely have to get worse and worse and worse.
	So like they're like chasing the high of negative attention.
	Yeah.
	Well well, what what I've done is I've I've I've started growing the sticky icky libertarian character.
	I I come I I come uh um so high, and I take my flipper zero that that I'm and I'm taking this RFID reader, and I can go in and out of my apartment's gate uh more easily without uh my access with my cell phone.
	I just save a pre set on my flipper zero.
	And then I go back inside and I just take the biggest bong rip of the stickiest icky.
	You remind me of that daft punk song where he goes, My name is Giovanni Giorgio.
	Everyone calls me Georgia.
	Oh that's that the character you're making it sound like I don't know, I don't know who that is.
	I love this guy.
	Flipper zero, dude.
	Yeah, he's flipper zero.
	I'm loving these Milo Yeninopolis clips, keep them coming, please.
	Oh, I got one for you.
	I mean being gay, you could grow up being gay, it's pretty awful.
	It's pretty, you know, you're confusing, you feel you know, miserable half the time.
	Yeah, I'm I've never been the victim of any sort of you know unpleasantness, but you know, gent generally it's not a sort of happy way to be.
	Your reward for that is for the rest of your life.
	You get to behave terribly and nobody can say anything.
	Um, this is a gay marriage, it's incredibly depressing.
	I think it's awful for gay culture in general has become so sort of bourgeois and depressing and and miserable.
	Um I'm not I'm not a fan of that.
	My my So he's projecting and deflecting at the same time.
	It's just I'm sorry.
	I there's something about that this interview, an early Milo interview that actually like made me really sad for him.
	There's a he's not as good at masking, I don't know, maybe this is just an off day for him, but yeah, clearly miserable childhood, and uh to say that there's been no unpleasantness in his upbringing is a lie.
	Yeah, it is a lie.
	And it's a lot of lie that he's you know clearly stated closer to the present.
	So sad.
	Uh it's weird that you just wouldn't want to be like an ally to the the gay communities.
	Instead of that, you're I don't know, demonizing the the boringness of like normalization of something that some people find taboo.
	Okay.
	What do you want, man?
	I've never understood Milo.
	I haven't either, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Well, I I think that that's why maybe his longevity hasn't sure.
	Yeah, he was kind of a flash in the pan.
	One note, you know, like Richard Spencer, you know.
	Sure.
	I was just about to say Tail Trump guys.
	Yeah, but he just didn't have any staying power.
	No.
	Got punched in the head, and that was kind of the end of it.
	That was pretty cool.
	A lot of people yelled Pepe and stuff, and then that's kind of it.
	Yeah.
	Well, pow.
	That was my view is that um sort of leftist, rights, um, sort of LGBT uh activists are now you know pretty much speak with the voice and force of the establishment.
	And it's um people with faith that have to um effectively in some ways are the insurgents and have to constantly reaffirm their rights and constantly uh be vigilant about uh being bullied by the media, being bullied by the establishments of all kinds, and when you see things like the Memories Pizza, um, you know, these these sort of poor pizza shop owners who get uh hected and pillaried and bullied into closing down their store because they don't want to make a cake for lesbians.
	I mean, you know, who would endorse lesbian matters?
	You know what's the domestic violence rate is for lesbians?
	I mean, it's it's just like I actually don't crap out of each other all the time.
	No, they beat the crap out of each other all the time.
	I mean, you know, I can I can well imagine if I owned a cake shop, but I'm not making you a cake, you're just gonna end up on her face.
	These are the moments that I love time travel for.
	We've discovered where Steven found the statistics about lesbian domestic abuse.
	He got it from Milo in tw 2016.
	Yeah, that's wild.
	He's like, You gotta pass this off, man.
	This is gonna be so good.
	People are not gonna know how to read it.
	You're gonna love this.
	Make make bits about this later, okay?
	They're gonna they're still gonna be like, what the fuck?
	There's gonna be a whole show about it, actually.
	Of course, we all know about the gay couple and they would make a wedding cake for them, right?
	I mean that's yeah, that person is the big one that's over that is now local to us.
	Wait, what?
	The the one from Portland is close by now.
	Oh yeah.
	Wow.
	Cake boss.
	I think cake boss makes gay cakes, right?
	Maybe he might call you the slurb, but he'll make your cake, and that's I got a rainbow cake from the cake boss one time.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, we're not talking duff.
	Duff seems like he makes more gay cakes than the cake boss, but I don't know.
	I'm not gonna.
	Yeah, so who whoever the cake boss is.
	I uh I got a some kind of like like a Roy G biv cake from you're talking about those lone slices that are like pre-packaged.
	They do that so they don't know who buys the cakes, the rainbow cakes.
	They wouldn't it wouldn't work.
	No, no, of course not.
	If if you uh it's it's against your religious freedom, they blindly make the cake.
	But if you like cake.
	Don't tell me who you can't like don't ask, don't tell of bakery.
	I wish that was the title of this episode.
	Don't ask, don't tell bakery.
	Wow.
	No, but this is interesting.
	Milo mentioned a pizza shop, and I I didn't I didn't think I I didn't didn't come to the top of my mind, but in Walkerton, Indiana in 2015, a place called Memories Pizza, which is kind of a nice name.
	That's a great name.
	The owners publicly stated that due to their Christian beliefs, they would refuse to cater at a same-sex wedding if asked.
	So they no one asked.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So that's cool.
	But they made this announcement anyway during a heated national debate over Indiana's religious freedom restoration act.
	And then yeah, after they made the comments there, what was that?
	There was what day was that?
	In 2015, so kind of close to the time of this episode.
	Who was the governor then?
	I don't know who the governor of Indiana was in 2015.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I don't know who the governor of our state was in 2015.
	Really?
	Yeah, I don't pay attention to that.
	Mike Pence, baby.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's Mike Pence.
	Okay, clear.
	That makes sense.
	I knew it.
	I knew I put it.
	I guessed it was Mike Pentch's only saying he was the government.
	Yeah, yeah, you really set me up.
	Did dude.
	I totally fucking I got you, dude.
	I'm embarrassed, and I'm uh gonna stop the show now.
	actually upset.
	Really pissed off about this.
	So a lot of negative reviewers threats even, and they actually end up close the store temporarily and consider not reopening.
	But instead Well, they said we're not discriminating against anyone.
	It's just we just would if we could.
	It's just the opportunity to discriminate, we could.
	It's our belief in anyone has the right to believe in anything.
	Anything.
	Okay.
	However, yeah, people uh thought this is clear anti-gay discrimination that you're doing.
	Yeah, you can't just say that it's not, but then do it, right?
	Yeah, no, it's not discrimination.
	No, it is what you're doing is, yeah.
	It's like saying no homo before your kids.
	No, want to know how much money they crowdfunded in 2015.
	No.
	Very similar number.
	Million dollars.
	800,000 dollars.
	Whoa, is that the secret sweet spot?
	It seems like it.
	It's the going rate for bigotry.
	Yeah, the bigotry lottery.
	Yeah.
	I just got the jackpot.
	It's like in Montana, a max one of eight hundred bucks.
	Yeah, yes, yes.
	Uh but yeah, um, negative publicity clearly followed them, and then eventually they did close for good.
	Thank goodness.
	Good on them.
	Yeah, honestly, fuck those guys though, right?
	It's weird how many lawsuits are uh just we if we want it if we if anyone ever asked us to do this, we would say no.
	Like a lot of things start that way.
	A lot of like this drama.
	Just don't say it.
	You're in Indiana in Walkerton.
	I don't know how big Walkerton is, but I have a feeling it's pretty small, and you're probably okay.
	Just walking out into like their two horse town and being like if you were thinking about get gay married out here.
	Get fucked.
	I won't be the one.
	Two thousand people.
	How many gay people are in Walkerton?
	You know, like uh hands around their mouth, shouting down the street.
	Oh my god.
	I don't know.
	They're Paul Revering.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Uh uh.
	Obnoxious, cool stuff.
	I think we're done talking about gay people.
	Wait a sec.
	Um, you know, if you if you look this up, um, you know, I I I put all the the statistics down, you know, and and it it's the the argument on gay marriage, whether lesbians or otherwise, it's pretty much gone now, pretty done and dusted.
	Whether or not it's a for the Supreme Court to legislate or whether it's a state's rights thing seems to me uh secondary to what's happening in society generally, which is that the you know, the sort of anxious hand-wringing, pearl clutching white middle class bloggers who are setting minority against minority from you know their perches at Vox and Buzzfeed and Gorker and Vice and places like that.
	Um, you know, pitting the religious against gays, pitting Hispanics against blacks, and that for me, the next the next ten years really about American politics is gonna be not just about men and women fighting, but about minorities in open warfare with one another, and the gay marriage issue really is most interesting in that respect.
	Uh the problem in the US is that I think religious people are having their rights trampled on every day.
	Um instead of this tiny minority, you don't even care.
	That's a good point.
	Uh you're m you far too salient points.
	Let's go back to talking about BBC.
	Here's the deal.
	Um, that's why they warned me he was smart, Stephen.
	I I don't yeah, he has no like three of the words he said.
	He has no business doing on this program at all.
	It's it's it's offensive, really, to our audience.
	So those goons didn't understand what he was saying.
	They kind of got lost in the middle and decided to just um kind of ignore what was being said.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Also standing out to me, Vox Buzzfeed Gawker and Vice are the news outlets that uh the bloggers, I guess.
	That uh Milo is talking about.
	Oh, how times have changed.
	Holy shit, right?
	Like BuzzFeed is all AI generated.
	Vice has changed hands a million times, and I think they've gone bankrupt.
	What happened to Gawker?
	Oh, G got shut down because of fucking Hulk Hogan, of course.
	Five, number five.
	You're welcome.
	Uh all right.
	If everyone's drinking at home, now they gotta crack open another coups.
	This sucks.
	Uh and Vox, I think is still around, but definitely not as influential as they were back then, right?
	Yeah, not at all.
	I always think it's interesting when people say that religious freedoms are being trampled on when it's usually them experiencing being told what they can't do to other people.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I've never heard of anyone saying they won't let me pray here.
	Yeah, they won't they won't let me put a cross on my own cake.
	Sure.
	It it's always like I want to oppress somebody and my religious liberties say that I should be able to.
	Yeah.
	For the being the party of like freedom, period.
	Yeah.
	It's usually not that.
	Well I've I've always had this issue with this particular situation because it's not like they're asking to do something they don't normally do.
	It's just they're asking you to do it for a different group of people.
	Okay, yeah.
	It's you make cakes.
	You make cakes.
	You make cakes.
	That's what you do.
	You do that for everybody.
	Making a cake is not against your religious liberties.
	You know like if if making a cake doesn't go against your religious beliefs, then making it for a person that you disagree with wouldn't either.
	But I have to write two boys' names on it.
	The Jacob and Jacob.
	It's just one of those things where it's like if it's something you would never do for anybody, that's a different story, right?
	If they came and said hey listen uh we're gay and we would like you to watch us have sex while you make your cake you could say no I don't watch anyone have sex while I make cake.
	Except my wife except for my wife and that's what's so interesting about it.
	It's like if you didn't know if the couple was gay you would make the cake.
	Yeah.
	If it's a oh yeah this is for Jesse and Chris and Taylor.
	Chris and Taylor, sure.
	Great, we'll make a cake for Chris and Taylor.
	Congratulations.
	And then you you make the cake show up and then you find out they're gay you're like oh shit I'm going to hell I can't believe I fed these heathen the day that they're picking it up they're like bringing in and be like here's the topper and it's two blonde haired blue eyed boys with their shirts off.
	Shirts off 69 and barf like they ate a human on accident.
	What are you guys doing?
	It's just embarrassing.
	It's it's a stupid argument.
	It's forever been a stupid argument.
	And and also I'm of the mindset that if you're in a society and that society has people that exist that are gonna be a minorities there might be rules you say you have to survive you have to support everybody.
	You don't have a a religious right to be in business you don't I haven't read the Bible so I'm not sure about that.
	But I do know that this topic is just too smart.
	Too smart for those two for those dumb dumbs.
	No I I I agree and I I do appreciate you know Milo's point of view I think that people's uh a lot of people just don't know how to sort of package what you're saying Milo coming out of your mouth.
	Now Dean real quick because you have those headphones and you got a bunch of street cred last time we had you on the show for those who are listening terrestrially I mean those are hardcore gamer headphones.
	Are you you a gamer?
	I am a gamer I my son is a big time gamer so of course he's like that he's the best headphones wear those and I'm like oh okay um and yeah I'm a gamer I play uh World of Warcraft is pretty much the only game that and some Call of Duty so have you been up to speed on the gamergate issue because you know Milo was at the forefront.
	What is that?
	I don't even know what that is oh god Milo do we have time can we can we can't I can summarize it as quick as possible.
	Okay let's summarize we don't have time for gamergate.
	Oh man I wanted to hear Dean Cain's take on gamergate.
	Oh yeah I really don't think that women should be doing anything other than like making me sandwiches between my uh raids on world of workout there's no way Dean Kane is actually good at world of warcraft right no not at all.
	He's the Dean Kane games like iGame which is terribly Leroy Jenkins is that as you play you you play like uh I play Apex Legends yeah that's the one yeah and that's basically I play and I suck at it.
	Yeah no I play it to distract myself from my life.
	I mean Gamergate harassment campaign against women in gaming basically and yeah Dean Kane clearly on the side they call it gamergate as if it's a scandal but it's just being misogynistic on like being mad that this woman broke news about a game.
	There's female critics and developers that I guess their opinions were being considered.
	That was like one of the big levees breaking on woke.
	It broke the woke levee.
	It's funny because I don't want to minimize the effects of it because I think that there's a lot of threats made towards women in the industry there.
	But what a different time, right?
	Like, yeah, it was still kind of veiled in, in a way like clearly they were stating that there was some sort of bias.
	I thought it was like pretty clear that the internet was uh toxic for women even then at the time yeah no I agree I'm just saying that now that there's like outright T slurs and like erasure of people's identities and like calls for like when Joe Rogan was fighting for and that's that's our culture again now.
	They won on being able to say uh the T Sler and the R word and and all that stuff.
	Yeah, Mark Marin's gonna be on the show later, actually, by the way.
	Oh, that rips.
	That's really cool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I feel like he's done every other show, so we might be able to get him.
	He's welcome on an on the podcast.
	Can I share uh this is a hard pivot, but I think should we do it?
	Yeah, subpop 20 year anniversary of uh postal service.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Are you talking about the the audition tape?
	It it's the best.
	It's amazing.
	It has Mark Marin in it.
	It's so good.
	No, no, a handful of cameos.
	Tim Robinson did uh did one of those.
	It's so good.
	So that's Duff McKagan piece in there, is like a joke that I think about it like almost every week.
	You didn't play Guns Roses, come on.
	It's John Daly, I think, is like who's telling him that, right?
	He's like, I don't know.
	John Daly was, yes, the manager of the state.
	You're not in Guns N' Roses.
	Everyone knows that that's uh slash Axel and the guy in the hat.
	It's such a good joke.
	It's a great bit.
	Anyways, if yeah, if you're not familiar, folks, please look that up.
	Yeah, go take a peek at that.
	That's kind of fun.
	Levity.
	I like that.
	Thanks, Dennis.
	Yep.
	Let's go to this real quick because Milo is very interested in American politics.
	Dean, do you have someone who you're you're you're favoring right now in this presidential primary?
	I gotta tell you, no.
	When there's 16, is it 16 candidates now?
	Republicans, 16 candidates for the Republican uh uh nomination.
	There's three.
	Are there three for the for the Democrats?
	Uh well it's Clinton Sanders.
	O'Malley.
	O'Malley.
	Oh, yeah, who got in all tree got in all kinds of trouble for some all lives.
	That's a really controversial statement.
	I'm glad he apologized for that.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Martin O'Malley.
	I don't know, Mike.
	I forgot about Martin O'Malley entirely.
	I don't even think I could point him out in a lineup.
	Former Maryland governor, 2016 presidential candidate.
	Yeah, during during a netroots nation events in July of 2015, he was interrupted by Black Roots?
	Yeah, I don't know what that is.
	I remember that guy.
	Only from the debates.
	Oh, sure.
	Well, he was interrupted by a Black Lives Matter activist demanding he addressed police violence against African Americans.
	And in response, he said, Black lives matter, white lives matter, all lives matter.
	And then everyone booed.
	Sure.
	Clearly, because that's not the right answer.
	He publicly apologized the same day, saying that was a mistake on my part, and I did not intend to be insensitive in any way or imply that I do not recognize the profound passion, commitment, and depth of feeling that we all should attach to this matter.
	I meant no disrespect, but uh that's an unrecoverable foul, my guy.
	Early all lives matter, huh?
	Early adopter.
	Right.
	It's funny.
	You know who else said all lives matter a month earlier?
	Hillary Ronham Clinton.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, during a speech in June of 2015.
	Yeah, let's lock her up.
	Uh she did later clarify that her understanding and support of the Black Lives Matter movement, there was a temporary misunderstanding.
	I feel like a lot of more people would have uh had that.
	It could have been more clear about what they were doing.
	Well, yeah, I mean Bernie Sanders didn't Bernie Sanders got it.
	He didn't he understood what the messaging behind Black Lives Matter was.
	It's just that like you have to like boil this like really long thing down into like a slogan.
	Yeah, and I mean it's impossible.
	Some people are just too dense to actually understand it, or you know, they also don't want to understand it because they're racist people, you know.
	So you know, I'll be honest.
	The the thing that made me like Bernie for the first time ever.
	When he let them speak.
	When he let the people speak, yeah.
	Black lives protesters came in and took the mic and he let them speak.
	Yeah, and I it's I wish he would do that more with Palestine stuff, but uh okay.
	Well that's missteps along the way.
	Yeah, sure has.
	Uh speaking of missteps, 2016, huh?
	The Republicans.
	Did you know Lindsay Graham was trying to be president?
	Scott Walker, Rips and Rick Santorum, the bass man, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina.
	Yep.
	Remember her?
	That's right.
	Josh uh oh, Ben Carson, of course, Jeb Bush, police clap, Marco Rubio.
	Was that that one?
	I don't think we have Her Herman Cain, but maybe Ted Cruz was there.
	Petaka.
	Nope.
	No, Jim Gilmore, I don't know.
	Bobby Vindle.
	Who are you?
	I remember that name.
	Yeah.
	And Scott Walker.
	A couple, just I'm sure I'm missing.
	So many people.
	But uh yeah, lots of.
	What year was this one?
	2020 sixteen.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Herman King was 2012, I think.
	Yeah.
	Herman Cain wasn't there.
	He did die from COVID 19.
	COVID 19.
	Yeah.
	At the Trump thing.
	That's too bad.
	He caught it at that event.
	Yeah, for Trump.
	That's too bad.
	But yeah, all Bobby James.
	In July 30th, 2020, after the That's rough.
	That's crazy, man.
	We look back at that, that's five years ago this summer.
	That's the Trump body count, yeah.
	That's crazy.
	So does someone have that website?
	I'm sure that you know the Clinton body count.
	Is there a Trump body count website?
	Maybe.
	I bet we could get that for our merch.
	Go to Trump BodyCat.com.
	Oh, but it's kind of like the people he fucked though, right?
	Trump Body Count.
	Yeah, like that.
	Uh Trump Bodycount.com.
	Can't be reached.
	Let's go to buy that right now.
	Name cheap.
	Balsack dot meme just renewed.
	Oh, how that we just shrugged I let Shrugged.club expire on it.
	Whoa.
	I got it back though.
	Do you remember when Jeb Bush's website expired and Donald Trump stole it?
	Yeah, he's a fucker, huh?
	Trump Bodycount.com.
	Ooh, taken.
	Make an offer.
	But we could do Trump BodyCount dot org for seven bucks.
	There we go.
	Trump Body Count.
	Inc.
	I MK.
	There's also.
	Inc.
	INK as well.
	It was a crowded primary, but of course the uh superior candidate did take it and did eventually ruin the world.
	Fuck, man.
	Pretty cool.
	I can't believe that was ten years ago.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's that's just that just did psychic damage to me.
	Yeah, we were we better keep going then.
	Did you guys see the run in with Ben Shapiro and the the trend CNN transgender Zoe Turd, yeah.
	Yeah, I saw that.
	That was funny.
	Actually, it was very funny.
	I laughed.
	I thought Ben was hysterical.
	I mean, Zoe grabbing him by the head, by the neck, and the neck.
	Uh yeah, well, look.
	Threaten me, Joey.
	You know?
	Go ahead, threaten Ben.
	Threaten me.
	Threaten Steven Crowder.
	Well, that's where I was one threat.
	It was a straight threat.
	I it's a salt.
	It's assault.
	You know what's worse about it?
	I mean, it's uh and this is Kevin McKinnis' point.
	She said, uh you know, cut that out, sir.
	You're going home in an ambulance.
	Nobody goes home in ambulances.
	That's the ambulance takes you home.
	I'm gonna take you home.
	Something has gone wrong.
	You're gonna go home in a hearst, little guy.
	I mean, it's it's Kevin McKinnon's joke, but it's a good point.
	Uh joke.
	No, it's a good point.
	And you know, I it's funny because Gavin and I talked about that's either a swan die versus a belly flop.
	And sometimes a belly flop is necessary.
	And I really like Ben.
	I mean, full disclosure, I've known Ben for a long time uh and had him on this show before it was even a show when he was doing problem time propaganda.
	But I almost feel like this is a this is a barbarian.
	Dennis shakes his head, pops one headphone off.
	How are you doing there?
	Remember this?
	I don't remember the video they're talking about.
	Really?
	Okay, so yeah, this was an encounter between Ben Shapiro and Zoe Tur that uh took place on the now disgraced Dr. Drew's show, Dr. Drew on Call when he had a show on CNN.
	Okay, July 2015.
	It was big news at the time.
	Uh kind of one of my personal first mainstream witnessing of a conversation about respecting pronouns.
	Okay.
	And I don't know if that's late for me or not, or just proves that I was completely not a very political guy back then.
	But hey, it was during a panel discussion uh about Caitlin Jenner receiving the SB's Arthur Ash Courage award.
	This doesn't ring a bell at all, huh?
	This controversy in general rings a bell.
	Ben Shapiro referred to Caitlin Jenner using male pronouns despite the transition and Zoe Tur, who's a transgender journalist pushback in the moment, and Ben described being transgender as quote mainstreaming delusion, and then can continue referring to Jenner as he started doing HRT and getting gender affirming care on his face.
	Benjamin That's how him, we're using the right pronouns here, got the got the uh the facial hair and also at the same time those big eyebrows.
	So Ten year projection.
	They have a little bit more back and forth.
	Ben asks Zoe, what are your genetics, sir?
	And uh yeah, that that's when Zoe physically placed a hand on Ben and said, You cut that out now, or you're going home in an ambulance.
	Which um I mean that's a threat, I guess, but yeah, Ben definitely.
	Ben is being an absolute monster on live television.
	Yeah, and they were like sitting at a table together or something.
	It was it was like a a panel discussion.
	Okay, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Dr. Drew, a couple other folks, Ben and Zoe.
	Yeah.
	I don't remember.
	I'm trying to visualize it.
	It's been a very long time.
	But it's it's funny to to listen to Dean talk about this because he's like, Try me!
	Try something.
	Try something with me.
	He wants to fight you up.
	Zoe Tur, a journalist.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right, dude.
	This is also, yeah, at this point, I think something.
	I think this is when Ben's he scared me.
	Ben's facts don't care about your feelings bullshit, really popped off.
	Okay.
	Yeah, just kind of an annoying moment.
	Uh another little road sign along the road of bigot history, you know, a roadside attraction.
	I for I forgot about this moment, and then now I'm suddenly reminded of it one more time.
	And this is back when I had a lot of respect for Dr. Drew, too.
	And now Dr. Drew just has a rumble show where he talks about being anti-vaxxed and other things.
	Yeah, I mean long gone are the days of Love Line, and who was it?
	Adam was it?
	Adam Corolla, who's also a full-blown awful piece of shit.
	So were they the man show too?
	Uh I mean, it was Adam and Jimmy Kimmel.
	Jimmy Kimmel.
	Yeah, that's the one that surprised me.
	That split of those two guys.
	Yeah.
	Uh wow.
	Big wow.
	What a world.
	Right?
	What a world.
	I remember my parents watching Love Line.
	Like at night, but we're gonna watch Love Line.
	I mean, they were they were very much in love, Dennis.
	And I couldn't watch it.
	Well, yeah, you don't there's lots of things you aren't supposed to watch.
	Like me sneaking home watching e entertainment Howard Stern stuff at night.
	I wasn't supposed to watch that stuff.
	Sybian stuff.
	Come on.
	Come on now.
	I'm not supposed to watch that.
	It's a 65-year-old woman getting on that thing.
	Alright.
	She's gonna hurt himself.
	While we're on the thread of anti-Semitism, um my dad, when I told I sent him the video, my dad literally, and my dad is funnier than anyone who's on the he's just brilliant.
	He calls me up and uh literally not even a hello.
	Let's go, hello.
	He goes.
	That little Jew's gonna lawyer up, man.
	I was like, but he knows Ben too.
	He was like, oh man, that's all he said.
	You know, listen, I mean, it's just and Ben would laugh if he knew it.
	Obviously, it sounds terrible out of context, but we were sitting there and we were just falling over to just laughing.
	It's like this is here's the crazy thing, Milo.
	We've talked about this.
	And this is something I've talked about.
	Oh, well, well, you understand this, Dean, because you're a healthy guy and you're you're a big guy, right?
	We avoid this there's a whole GMO thing.
	I've never heard anyone else make this argument.
	All right, we'll get into that argument in a second.
	But um I do find it funny that Steven is aware of the sensitivity of potentially calling Ben Shapiro a little Jew, but feels totally fine calling Zoe the T slur.
	Like without hesitation.
	So if I was talking about my friend and called that that little Jew, I don't know if I would like I guess it's context, right?
	Uh not from um from him, right?
	We've said this before is that there's uh there's too much malice in his voice for it to be a joke.
	Yeah, I mean maybe that's sort of the issue is that it just is like it's Steven's dad is like actually like bigoted, so Steven like overcorrects with it.
	He's like, Yeah.
	He leads with it, actually.
	He's like, This is how you're supposed to talk about them.
	The little Jew.
	He adds a little stink on it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	There's just too much stink on it for sure.
	Uh and but he does this with everybody if you're not white.
	It's like, you know, he'll he'll really dig in on uh your race or your you know your uh your ethno religion in this in this particular specific case.
	And one of these days we're gonna get into like the actual backstory about how Ben Shapiro met Steven Crowder, but I'll keep it short.
	He he was actually recommended as a lawyer to help.
	They made it last for seven seasons, I heard.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, like yeah, like 30 episodes a season, and it was uh how I met your crowd.
	It's Actually, how I met your lawyer because that's that's what Ben was gonna be.
	That's funny.
	I like that joke, Jared, by the way.
	Yeah, no, uh, Ben Ben was recommended, I think, by Andrew Breitbart to negotiate Steven's initial uh contract with Fox News.
	He's basically his entertainment lawyer and negotiated his first contracts, and then uh they probably shared a glass of milk or something afterwards, right?
	Yeah, he's set cross legged.
	Cheers with milk.
	Ben, come on in, sit down.
	Someone trips on him, spills the milk.
	I I gotta get a refill.
	I have to drink the whole glass.
	Or else it doesn't count.
	He has to do how many a day?
	Yeah, he's got weird milk OCD.
	It's like that movie the signs or something, and he's just got a dozen half drink glasses of milk around his bedroom.
	I didn't finish it, so it doesn't count.
	Jeez.
	You gotta go get me more.
	Ben Ben's bigotry.
	Glad I got to revisit it.
	That's him saying that to his wife, by the way.
	Hillary.
	Bring in more milk, please, baby.
	And she's like, Steven, I have to go to the grocery store to get your milk.
	And it doesn't work either.
	Great.
	Steven, he's concerned about people's health.
	He's a health forward guy.
	He's he's six to two and a quarter.
	Two and a quarter, exactly.
	Let's just make a physiological statement here.
	Okay, we avoid GMOs and we want organic food.
	I don't, but most people do watch them want to do it.
	Basically, mimic S in the body, it's very cancer.
	Holy fuck.
	Holy fuck.
	I just transformed into Steven for a second.
	How does it feel?
	Suddenly you're six too.
	Oh, I got stronger.
	What are these guns doing?
	I have guns now.
	Oh my god, I only coming out of my skin.
	It's like a Cronenberg film.
	They're like coming out of your ribs.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was like wet squelching noises.
	Okay, sorry.
	Wow.
	Secreting, secreting ammo.
	Bullets fall out of your teeth.
	Jesus.
	Okay, we avoid GMOs, we want organic food.
	I don't, but most people do.
	Why?
	A big part of it is I want to avoid xinestrogens, which basically mimic estrogen in the body.
	It's very cancer genic.
	It's very bad for men to have higher than normal levels of estrogen.
	Uh it's also very bad for women to have higher than normal levels of testosterone, but not as toxic as estrogen, right?
	That's a huge thing for men's health.
	It's very good for your skin.
	Uh actually, no, not for men.
	It's not.
	Um, but here's the thing, right?
	So we we we try and do all that, and we have to we want the FDA labeling, we want the USDA, right?
	We protest them, no Monsanto, no GMOs.
	Yet when we're injecting actual estrogen into a guy's ball sack, uh, we all turn a blind eye and say, well, it's their choice, it's completely healthy.
	I think that people right now, I mean, statistically, we don't have long-term studies.
	You are going to put these people into a shallow, early cancerous grave.
	And no one wants to talk about that.
	We know what estrogen and hormones never done a cancer because they've all taught themselves first.
	I mean, the Jones Hopkins research proves they were the first university to do this.
	Well, I don't know if we're gonna debate the John Hopkins study right now, and I'm not even really gonna get deep into my thoughts here about estrogen-based HRT and how it does increase the risk of breast cancer in transgender women compared to cisgender men, but the the risk is substantially less than for cisgender women because uh you're developing breast tissue, but it you haven't had it your whole life.
	Oh sure, right?
	So it could just be that having breast tissue is really the catalyst for are you telling me that having breasts increases your chances of getting breast cancer?
	Uh I mean maybe other other cancer risks are not clearly elevated, and overall absolute cancer risk for transgender women on HRT remains relatively low with regular medical follow-ups.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	There's no reason to be concerned as of now.
	And this is all according to recent studies published at PubMed, like uh cancer risk among transgender adults in 2013 and at breastcancer.org.
	There's a piece called Feminizing Hormones Linked to Higher Breast Cancer Risk in Trans Women, but risks still lower than average women.
	You're defending the point against someone who doesn't want to hear it.
	Steven doesn't give a fuck.
	He doesn't care at all.
	Well, he also doesn't, I mean, he believes that you inject estrogen into your test.
	Straight more balls, dude.
	No, it's just that's what P is.
	Wait, P is in the balls?
	Yeah, and mine are swollen.
	No, it's he was shoulder intramuscular, subcutaneous, oral tablets, uh, patches, gels, and sprays.
	It's not it's never in the balls.
	No, no.
	Yeah.
	But he he just doesn't care.
	He he's feigning care for this because he's acting like it's a public health crisis and that's what it is.
	Well, it's the same thing when when Milo brings up the suicide thing.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that Steven's proclivity to milk is because he thinks that that's like you know, it's like a one for one.
	Like if he drinks enough milk, he'll have a good cum.
	I was hoping you weren't gonna go there.
	Yeah.
	He's trying to, yeah.
	He's trying to get a big uh he's trying to shoot ropes, I guess.
	Yeah, he needs a load.
	Yeah.
	He's got something he's got a haul.
	He's trying to see the world.
	This is why we won't get any respect, boys.
	True, yeah.
	Can I can I also just call off at Steven The Shrug rats, they love us.
	The shrug rats love loads, dude.
	Oh god.
	But can we talk about Steven uh called it cancer genic?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, I think that's a thing, right?
	You mean it's carcinogenic.
	Oh shit.
	Transgender mice.
	Yes.
	Cancer genic.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh no.
	That's just funny.
	Is he a yeah, I mean, he's not we read plenty of words in incorrectly.
	That's true, but cancer and we're also good guys, so no one can make fun of us.
	It makes them bad guys.
	We just don't care.
	Yeah, that's we're dopey.
	We're dopey dudes.
	All right, well.
	It might not even be carcinogenic, but it's definitely not cancer genic.
	That's cancer genic.
	The suicide thing, of course.
	I mean, we could we could what did he say?
	I didn't even hear it.
	I mean, he just said that there's a uh John Hopkins study that said that people who transition also have higher suicide risks.
	And I mean, there's a lot of gender dysphoria that isn't resolved immediately because of you know transition surgery.
	There's still that that's that's still an active problem for a lot of people.
	Well, and there's also the fact that the societal pressure doesn't fucking leave.
	Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't help that you're demonized not only especially talking about it this fucking week, you know.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Uh maybe there's there's there's a lot to that.
	It's not a an a solution that is immediately gonna fix all of these problems.
	Totally.
	And all of these things are all of these guys should say, I don't give a fuck about your studies, freedom's freedom.
	I mean, they really should.
	Yeah.
	Especially well, you're transing the kids, though.
	Good point, golly.
	It's just such an annoying uh observation that I feel like gets pointed out a lot, and I I I wouldn't want to walk past that and let them simplify that.
	Well, the people who say that are watching like like not now currently, but like that's what Steven is saying now.
	Yeah.
	In Steven's chat on Rumble, everyone's saying we need to kill all the all the transgender people to save the world from them.
	I mean, we were watching the the live chat this week.
	Yeah, it it's it's fucking just toxic, insane shit that makes me really angry.
	But Milo doesn't care about the suicide rate amongst trans people.
	No, no, no.
	Steven doesn't care about the suicide rate amongst trans people.
	Well no, Stean Kane doesn't care about anything.
	Dean Kane cares about his next big picture.
	The next big show I got coming out.
	They they never look at you know the suicide rate for people who don't consider transitioning who are experiencing intense gender dysphoria, you know?
	Like it's not so easy to quantify, you know.
	I mean these feelings are all feelings on a spectrum anyway.
	Yeah.
	And so at what point do you begin to say, all right, cool.
	Um you've exhibited enough of this, we can put that into this pile.
	I mean, maybe that should be between you and your doctor, right?
	Like maybe.
	Huh.
	I don't know.
	Maybe I think Steven Crowder should make the rules.
	Yeah, right, dude.
	Yeah, I should I should get like a guy who again is sweating bullets from his mouth.
	And his nibbles, his nibbles have turned into like uh yeah, yeah, totally.
	He he looks like one of the fucking uh one of the bots on uh Austin Powers with the guns coming out of his buttons.
	And he's shooting the bullets and he's saying like kill all the trans people.
	That guy should have a say also in um how you spend your money on your health care.
	I think that makes sense.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Keep it in the bedroom, but also on my mind all the time, please.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, it's not like it already isn't.
	Not in my backyard, just in the front of my mind, please.
	Back in my eyelids.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I think I think Milo's not done talking about uh the topic.
	But it showed it's not only is there no improvement in suicide rates post-surgery, but most studies show that more people commit suicide after surgery than they would have done if they didn't have it.
	So they're not even gonna get to do I mean, way before that you know the cancer starts metastasizing, they'll already need to hang themselves in the living room.
	So I don't think we need to worry about cancer.
	Well, you can put that bright note.
	Yeah, on that bright note.
	On that bright note, I decided to take a break.
	I think if we ever get another opportunity to return to Dean Kane, we can continue this episode.
	But this is the terrestrial radio days.
	This is a two-hour episode.
	Oh man, two hours with Dean Kane and Milo.
	Yeah, it was rough.
	And uh I actually don't think it'll ever come up again.
	Because Dean wasn't mentioned at all by Steven during this whole ice conversation.
	And I found that really kind of odd.
	Do you think they had a falling out?
	Do you think Dean was one of the guys who was texting Hillary and trying to turn it into the city?
	I can see it.
	I can see it.
	He slid into her DMs, like, hey, I heard you're single now.
	Interesting.
	Well, I I decided to take a peek into Dean Kane's um Twitter, and you know how his Instagram, of course, I I said is uh at Deuces 1966.
	Yeah, yeah.
	His uh Twitter is at real Dean Kane.
	Okay, kind of like you real Donald Trump, of course.
	They've had, I don't know, a dozen back and forths in the past uh decade or so.
	Most of them I've no idea what the conversation was because of Clean Slate.
	Clean slate has like probably clean slate, yeah.
	Uh most recently though, Dean Kane replied to a uh post of Steven Crowder asking, should we drop more on Varma?
	Oh, Big Varma.
	Big Varma.
	And uh Dean Kane said, Definitely.
	Definitely just got it.
	Yeah, still in there.
	In 2021, to uh to a now deleted post because of, of course, clean slate.
	Dean Cain said, Congrats.
	Oh, it looks like when Steven had his kids.
	Maybe it is.
	Oh, yeah, see the context there.
	Boys are such a blessing, except he had a boy and a girl.
	So interesting.
	They're twins, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Congratulations.
	It's so nice to have a son.
	Interesting.
	Uh Dean said, take a shekel.
	It's worth like 30 cents.
	Interesting.
	Don't know what that probably isn't response to it.
	Can you see who liked the tweet?
	Not anymore.
	Right.
	I mean, you can see a 261 people.
	I just want to see if Steven Crowder liked it.
	Like if he's definitely in Stephen Crowder didn't like it.
	I don't know if you can see that actually, because when I click it, it just likes to be a little bit more.
	I hope he gets a notice that you liked it years ago.
	Oh, that'd be like, hey, uh hey man, your dog doesn't love you.
	He also said, my man, and said someone very, very funny.
	He did the uh flexing arm emoji at one point in 2019.
	Get well soon.
	That was in 2008.
	Sick, even back then.
	No, 2018.
	He was sick recently, too.
	I've I'm I was listening to playing a little catch-up, and yeah, it's not doing so hot again.
	Thank you, Stephen.
	I might grip your hand tightly, very tightly, he said in 2019.
	Sure.
	Interesting.
	And then Dean Kane said funny stuff in 2015, July 30th, which is closest to this episode.
	Actually, is that the day before?
	That's the day before.
	Wow.
	Uh cracks me up this and speaks much truth.
	And what was it in response to?
	Oh, equal pay.
	Feminist myths debunked thoroughly.
	Four minutes of Steven Crowder debunking feminist myths.
	Cool.
	What did they say to that?
	Cracks me up and speaks.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	Well, let's hear it.
	Let's hear it, I guess.
	I mean, here's a little bonus.
	Yeah, okay, why don't you love it?
	Hey, feminists.
	Stop!
	Please stop.
	All right.
	Okay, so I'm sure we've all heard the Patricia Arcant's Oscar speech.
	I don't know if ten years ago.
	All right.
	It's our time to have wage equality once and for all.
	And equal rights for women in the United States of America.
	Now, before we get to the gender gap pay myth, and it is a myth, uh, a quick message to feminists.
	Did you hear all those overlays?
	Shit was crazy, man.
	Those one guys who's the rapper dudes.
	I see, and this is the kind of shit I'm saying.
	So in the top right corner of this video, he's created one of those news globes that spins, and it's the Tea Party News Network.
	Like I'm telling you, these kind of trendy bullshit labels that they gave themselves.
	He was a Sarah Palin boy, huh?
	I guess so.
	Nail and Palin.
	Well, I mean, no, she's a woman.
	This is why people Can't stand you, including women.
	Too many neo-feminists are illogical, angry, and oh so shrill.
	Alright, YouTube, huh?
	Ten years ago.
	He's in that goat scream.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Here you've been given a platform to graciously accept an award.
	Instead, you decide to spout off some inappropriate political message.
	Hey, hey, dude, it isn't a war.
	Don't be a bitch about it.
	Stupid bullshit fucking loser.
	Even though it's completely untrue.
	And all your silly feminist buddies clap like trained seals.
	In the United States of America!
	That's Meryl Streep, Academy Award-winning actress.
	One of the best actors of our I don't know, the past like a hundred years.
	What are we doing?
	Calling her out.
	Yeah, I need to add a funny noise over her.
	See, when you're wrong about something, and Arquette is wrong here, people just don't want to tell you out of fear for facing the cackly ramifications of you and your butch haircutted chain gang.
	See, now you're doing change chain gang.
	Drink drink, drink, drink, drink, drink.
	Holy shit.
	Yeah, spring break.
	That rules, he's still on it.
	Oh my god.
	When was that posted?
	This was in uh is 10 years ago.
	February 26th, 2015.
	It's a holdover if I ever heard one.
	You've become bullies because God forbid we express a different opinion.
	But on to the equal pay gender gap myth.
	Please note in this instance will not actually be including the full 51 genders available today, but the main two, because you know, science.
	The myth that women get paid less for the exact same job as men comes from one poorly interpreted statistic that merely compares the median earnings of women versus men.
	That stat did not include people of different genders working in the same industry, the same job, or even the same amount of hours.
	So the pay gap myth is untrue for a few reasons, but let's start with simple economics.
	If I'm a business owner and I can get away with paying a woman half of what I'd pay a man for the exact same job, I'm never hiring a man again.
	I'd start hiring on cup size and fire every last Schwanson on staff if only to increase profits.
	Step into my office.
	What?
	Get your f fired!
	But what about the Patriarch?
	What was that movie?
	Rocket Man is because it no, but that was a guy from Rocket Man.
	I don't remember that.
	Yeah, interesting.
	Harlan Williams.
	Do we really need to do two more minutes of this?
	I mean, we're halfway.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, you're right.
	I want to know what he thought was funny.
	I mean, so far.
	He hasn't said anything yet.
	Was it the Harlan Williams joke?
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	Pretty good.
	Men like women.
	Okay, a lot.
	It's not like we had a secret meeting behind your back.
	There shouldn't be any women at all in this world.
	Just children and men!
	Even if there were men hiring solely based on their chauvinistic worldview, which kind of goes against the whole evil capitalism maximizing profits myth.
	It only takes one person who doesn't to create a competitive job marketplace.
	So why are women paid less?
	The number one determining factor is that women have babies.
	Oh, are you saying that's all we're good for?
	No, just that in general, women are the ones found to be with child.
	You know, wombs and what have you.
	So not only does that mean less time in the workforce, but women are also more likely to trade in dangerous job situations.
	This guy is so bacon narwhal mustache, it drives me fucking nuts.
	I know that it's a YouTube style of the era, but Jesus Christ, man.
	High stress are traveling in exchange for more mommy friendly positions.
	It's why virtually all the most dangerous job occupations, like iron worker or logger are male, and 92% of work-related deaths in 2012 were men.
	So you may complain about lower pay.
	We die.
	In addition, men are twice as likely to work a 40-hour work week.
	There's nothing, not a zip.
	Yeah.
	Unless you want to work 40 hours a week.
	Men on average work.
	Who pulls that clip from Dumb and Dumber?
	That never stood out to me.
	Is that Nick Cave in the background?
	Is that what they're applying?
	It was.
	I heard Red Right Hand.
	Yes, a lot of fun.
	Uh, there's a website where you can just like put in words and it'll find clips with those.
	Really?
	Oh wow, but not back then.
	He had that one locked into his head.
	He goes, Yeah, they are lazy.
	I wanna make a joke about this.
	He thinks that the dumb and dumber guys are lazy, and he stood it stood out to her.
	Yeah, they're they're the opposite of lazy.
	They're just dumb.
	Yeah, they're But they're they're really motivated in their being dumb.
	On four hours per day compared to women's average 7.75.
	More men are in unions.
	More men are willing to have extensive traveling schedules.
	You can check out more data at louderwithcrowder.com.
	But the point is that buzz phrases like equal pay don't have to be rooted in reality as long as there are enough people who scream it loudly enough.
	In this case, shrews like Merrill Streep, who I cannot stand.
	I know it's sacrilegious.
	I'm just tired of being told who the best actress is.
	Just like I'm tired of people telling me Scarlett Johansson is super hot.
	A fly face mediocre talent with a man voice does not the hottest woman in America make.
	Be like kissing Darth Vader.
	What did I know about that kind of life?
	I'm just a starving actress from Boulder, Colorado.
	You have bailed me for the last time.
	I had a point.
	What was the point?
	Despite what terribly ill-informed people like Merrill Streep or Patricia Arquette tell you, the reason that women make less in today's workplace is because of economic decisions, not penises.
	Hey, watch this last video or subscribe to my channel.
	All of it.
	No, thanks.
	He didn't say anything.
	Nope.
	Um ignore the fact that that people are worried about women being paid separately or differently in the same job, same role.
	Yeah, in specific industries.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And there is a gap there.
	Well, yeah.
	And I mean it is getting better.
	In in places like Hollywood and like sports.
	Yeah, you could look at even negotiations for contracts for Marvel movies, you know.
	Holly weird, am I right?
	Yes.
	Totally.
	And why does he care about that, right?
	Why is he even watching the Oscars?
	Well, because Hollywood kicked him out, dude.
	And do you think that that um Hillary asked him if he thought Scarlett Johansson was hot?
	And he's like, no.
	No.
	No, I don't at all.
	I'll do it.
	I'll even do it on a show.
	I'll mention on the show.
	You're the most beautiful woman I've ever met.
	And I'll I've I've got no reason to say otherwise because it's the truth.
	I married the most beautiful woman in the world.
	He did say that, didn't he?
	If we go back to that episode.
	Either way, I mean that was the worst four minutes of my life.
	Yeah.
	I'm really sorry.
	To make up for that weird episode all of a sudden.
	Yeah, that was kind of fun, though.
	I like I like kind of walk cold walking through that.
	That was a lot of fun.
	Chain gang.
	Chain gang.
	Mount up.
	All right.
	Well, I I'd like to end this episode that with a uh a tip, and not just a tip, a tip of the cap to the folks over at True Anon.
	Uh, one of their gumshoes dropped one heck of a scoop on their tip line a couple weeks ago as part of one of their tip line episodes.
	You don't listen to True and I you should.
	Okay.
	Everyone listening to us should, if you already do consider supporting them on Patreon, worth every cent.
	They they do some really great work.
	This came into their tip line, and we're stealing it for our show.
	Okay.
	I couldn't help myself.
	Hi.
	Uh I'm calling because I just saw today that TV Superman Dean Cain, uh, who has become a right-wing crazy person is going to be joining ice because they have no cap on the agent price anymore.
	Um I heard a story from a friend of mine who went to NYU that uh a girl he knew there hooked up with Dean Kane.
	They went back to a hotel.
	Dean Kane asked the hotel to send up a cello for the girl to play because she had mentioned that she played the cello.
	Uh, and then he pooped in the bed after getting a blowjob and left.
	Thank you and have a great day.
	Goodbye.
	Let's unpack that, shall we?
	Yeah, let's do that, Brace.
	What a great story.
	Yeah.
	Um pooped in the bed is awful.
	That's that's criminal work.
	Imagine being a celebrity and you're staying at like a nice hotel.
	Clearly a nice hotel that offers like, you know, special well, of course, you got it.
	You got one of all the stringed instruments and a couple double reed ones.
	Clearly, nice hotel.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If if they send up a cello, that's a unique request.
	If you ever requested anything, like you like a pull-out bed, maybe.
	I usually request.
	I went to a super eight, and I was staying at a hotel and I requested French horns or I requested an iron.
	And the guy brings up the iron, and he goes, The fuck do you think this is a cruise ship?
	Did he really say that?
	Oh no.
	And then he didn't go, do you want a board too?
	An ironing board?
	And then you say yeah, and he's like, Fuck!
	Yeah, what the fuck do you think this is a cruise ship?
	Blew my mind.
	I was like I mean that's pretty wild.
	But no cello, no.
	I I mean I wouldn't expect to have a cello.
	Yeah.
	I'm just looking for like a free cookie, you know what I mean.
	You ever getting blown so great you shit yourself in the bed?
	That's a great question.
	I'm having one.
	No.
	What?
	A shit.
	Oh no.
	Big dump.
	That's crazy.
	Everything's happening all at once.
	I don't even know what to say.
	Like, clearly, no.
	It's a very relaxing sensation, I suppose.
	The end of a sexual encounter, the climax.
	A Hummer, a presidential Hummer.
	Alright.
	Got the bed blumpkin, dude.
	I've never shit the bed after that.
	I've never shit the bed ever.
	Wait, really?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	I think I've been sick.
	Nope, not me.
	Shit the bed, huh?
	This is not the Byron character.
	I don't I don't go blue, guys.
	I'm not gonna go into detail about what happened, but let's just say that I have not the knees were just I'm ready, I'll come on you first.
	So I'm never done that and then shit the bed.
	I have maybe been sick before though.
	Okay, cool, yeah.
	Maybe you're just sick.
	You think he was sick?
	You think they ate at like a nice place and he got really sick.
	God.
	Do you think she was like playing the cello while he did it?
	Listen.
	I don't think that's multitasking to an No, no, no, I'm saying like do you think like it was like this?
	Blow job, finish it out, and then she's like, he's like, play for me again, babe.
	And then she's playing, and he's like, oh shit, my stomach.
	No, it is doing a classic, like, oh, I'll never eat Indian food again.
	Right.
	And she's playing Canon and D. Yeah.
	Soundtrack to my uh struggling.
	Soundtrack to my shit.
	In C. Sweet.
	That's the show, too, guys, right?
	That's a rap on the show.
	What's the last word of that?
	I don't even know what he's saying.
	Symphony out out hell.
	That's about all I can handle this week.
	That's what I say.
	If you disagree with us, feel free to convince uh us otherwise.
	Also, uh consider picking up a convince me otherwise hat.
	You know, that way you can have a lovely conversation with folks on the streets.
	Uh you could also wear one.
	Yeah, you I mean, you got the shirt.
	And if you want to see what it looks like, go visit us on social media at Van Crowder on Axe and Blue Sky.
	Right and review us on Apple Podcasts and uh Spotify.
	I don't know if I like those guys so much these days, right?
	Spotify?
	Yeah.
	Just release so you can get your playlists transferred from Spotify to Apple.
	Yeah, they're they're they're gonna be able to do it.
	They might get me and I weren't.
	I've been with Spotify for like 16 years now.
	Oh no.
	Well it's like uh it's like a hard uh when we get out of there, I guess.
	Yeah, but I mean it is nice to get stars and reviews.
	Uh we we did get a review, actually, from a guy named Indiana Jared, which is kind of interesting.
	It's not a different Jared.
	Cool.
	They say uh tough gig of the dog.
	Tough gig, but they do a good job.
	Five stars.
	I can barely stomach Crowder for even a moment.
	Somehow these guys make it entertaining and informative.
	I can barely stomach chowder.
	Yeah.
	During the sexual encounter.
	And now I've shit the bed.
	Wonderful.
	Thanks so much.
	Appreciate you.
	I appreciate you very much, Jerry.
	Very nice of you.
	You have you share a name with a great friend of mine.
	Alright.
	Close friend.
	Also business partner.
	And again, Lousi thank you to the podcast Lou Prolman for setting us up.
	That's right.
	Exactly.
	Takes about 60% of the money we make, by the way.
	Making making the pod with uh Diddy.
	Oh no.
	We've got ditdied.
	Yeah, we got Diddy.
	And we had uh he he made us go buy choppa suits.
	Why is it so late?
	This was supposed to be the shortest episode.
	We had 20 clips and now it's two hours.
	Yeah, it's long.
	It's a lot.
	I remember when it was 11 o'clock and now it's 1 o'clock.
	Jeez, holy cow.
	I have to go to bed.
	Appreciate you.
	Uh Jared and listeners and not Dennis today.
	Fuck you.
	Thanks for bringing over that.
	Alright.
	And uh fuck you and fucking more.
	You what a piece of shit.
	What a piece of shit.
	Until next time, though, uh where we will unfortunately be returning to the present.
	To face I don't know, the way the wake of the world.
	That Minnesota shooters.
	You can talk about that for months.
	Yeah, I can't wait because he's also claimed to have broken that case wide open.
	I don't think he did.
	Until next time though, I'm Byron.
	I'm Dennis.
	I'm out here.
	Uh it's me the Libertarian, and I I think at first he was maybe British or something.
	Let me see if I can find that again.
	Ooh, uh with my flip zero.
	Now it now he's got a little bit of a little bit of a Yeah, it was kind of Ringo meets Elon, honestly.
	I've got I'm gonna put the dolphin mode on you, and I'm going to um I'm going to hack your uh Bluetooth.
	I'm going to listen to whatever you're listening to on on your Spotify account while I smoke this big herb.
	And frankly, um you you you probably don't think that that sounds like much, but I'm getting so much information from you.
	I'm hacking um your culture.
	And frankly, the things that you find most uh entertaining.
	A good evening.
	Alright.
	Take care.
	You've been listening to an audio roll original produced by Byron McCoy.

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