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Double Salutes: Charlie Kirk (9/13/25)

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	Hi.
	Hello, Shrug Nation.
	Not your typical double salutes preview this week.
	Uh a couple days after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Jared and I decided to hop on stream and talk through our thoughts.
	This is gonna be the first hour of that.
	If you want the full two hour conversation as well as a video version, uh, all for free, visit Shrug Dot Club or Patreon.com slash shrug club.
	Uh as this was just a few days post murder, we didn't get every detail correct.
	Uh so keep that in mind.
	Also know that the episode coming out in two weeks will be us covering Steven's really gross response in the immediate aftermath of the shooting calling for uh swift defensive hair trigger violence against the left.
	So I guess uh look forward to that.
	Until then, enjoy this.
	Take care.
	Take care of yourselves.
	We'll talk soon.
	We'll talk soon.
	Double southern two hands to the sky!
	One for my god, and one for my pride!
	Red white and blue, yeah, roaching my face!
	Land of the free Because of the brave Stand tall, stand true'Til the day that I die Double salute Double salute
	Welcome, Mr. Rugrats to Double Salutes, the most patriotic live stream on the world wide web.
	Where we of course soar through the week's oh god, best propaganda crazy propaganda this week.
	Wild one.
	Uh I don't even know where to begin.
	Um this is not gonna be our typical double salutes, I don't think.
	I think we're gonna probably focus quite a bit on one thing in particular, and that thing is probably the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I guess.
	Unfortunately Charles D. Kirkinton, yeah.
	Um Donald J. Kirkington.
	Bummer of a week.
	James Kirk.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	Should we start with like the end first?
	What is the end?
	What what does that look like?
	I I think it's when the earlier today, um Friday, the twelfth.
	September the twelfth.
	You've had a really hard last three days.
	How are you doing?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	With the loss of your friend Charlie, and he says, Oh, quite good.
	And uh, I don't know if you're gonna I don't know if you knew how to find that quickly, but um I can finish saying it.
	But he says.
	Oh, quite good.
	And um I don't know if you guys saw that the uh construction on the White House ballroom has started.
	They got all these big trucks coming in here.
	Have you guys seen this?
	Uh well, I mean, listen, he's got a lot going on, right?
	Um holding up for the last thing to have to.
	I think very good, and by the way, right there, you see all the trucks.
	They just started construction of the new borough for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get us, you know, for about 150 years.
	And it's gonna be a beauty.
	It'll be an absolutely magnificent construction.
	And I guess the older trucks were just started, so it'll get done uh very nicely, and it'll be one of the best anywhere in the world, actually.
	So we're gonna debut it for Connor McGregor to come here just in time for his Irish presidency.
	He's gonna pick up a bench and throw it through a window.
	That'll be kind of cool, right?
	Uh You know what though?
	I'm starting to think that I'm starting to think that Trump actually might just have some hearing problems.
	Because this is not like the first time that he has been spoken to and then just spoke completely.
	Like they're saying it's dementia.
	I think it's probably just hearing loss.
	It could be.
	Yeah.
	Because who was he talking to not too long ago?
	It was like a different world leader.
	And they were talking about um how they needed to get all of the uh the stolen Ukrainian children back from Russia and he pivoted to something else immediately.
	Do you remember that?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I guess I mean like I feel like he does it like enough times to where it's like, you're right.
	It's just uh Yeah, I don't know.
	I did half-mast flags for the weekend.
	I don't know what else you want from me for this.
	Important moment.
	We are here, Europeans as friends and allies to work together with you on a just and lasting peace for Ukraine stop the killing.
	I want to thank you all so that you mentioned the thousands of Ukrainian children that have been abducted.
	And as a mother and grandmother, every single child has to go back to its family.
	This should be one of our main priorities also in these negotiations to make sure that the children come back to Ukraine to their families.
	Oh, they don't even...
	They cut it before he responded, immediately after that.
	Did you tell them about the ballroom there as well?
	Yeah, you gotta see this stuff.
	We got gold stuff.
	We got paint.
	It's all gold.
	I'm gonna have Dana White.
	Can you believe that?
	Dana White's gonna be the first guy to hang out in this thing with me.
	Me and Dana, me and Dana and Connor McGregor.
	I mean, it's gonna be really cool stuff.
	I think that it's uh it's great stuff, it's good stuff, and um w why are you here?
	Who are you again?
	Which one are you?
	People are loving this stuff.
	All right.
	Well, uh man.
	Um Do we want to start with uh I guess I mean I don't know.
	It it's one of those things, it's like we don't need to walk through the timeline of what happened.
	I I was uh well watching one of my streamers when I saw they said, Am I being trolled?
	I've seen like five people in the chat say that Charlie Kirk just got shot.
	And sure enough, uh Charlie Kirk got shot in the neck.
	Um on September the 10th.
	Uh-huh.
	When Charlie leaned to the left.
	I I think he actually leaned forward then leaned back after saying uh g gang vi how how much do you tribute to gang violence?
	And then he confidently leaned back in his chair in Utah where he was shot in the neck, uh it striking his jugular vein and uh a bunch of uh blood spilling out in front of everyone.
	It was really uh awful, awful three thousand people, yeah.
	It was it win million, hundreds of millions like of views on X at this point, and it's just like relentless um turn on the uh hell hell app and look at a guy die.
	Yeah.
	You you flick open your day uh three days ago.
	Uh now well I guess really two days ago.
	Yeah, it's been a long two days.
	910, 2025, Charlie Kirk, the death of Charlie Kirk.
	And I guess I mean, uh we we're we're fairly sure at this point that um we have a shooter.
	Uh I don't I don't know.
	I mean, I'm very cautious when I always say alleged shooter, you know.
	But um the third the third person that they've had in custody over this.
	Yeah, which is really interesting.
	Um Did you see the video of the old guy that they thought it was initially and as he's being carried off, he was yelling at the same time.
	Well, his pants were down.
	I don't know how that happened, but I thought he was shouting uh shoot me.
	I don't know if you remember that.
	I didn't hear him, so I didn't have the uh volume on as I was looking.
	I was at work when it happened.
	I was in a meeting and my phone was going berserk.
	What I was like, something's gotta be happening.
	Yeah.
	And so uh I'm I'm like the the the note taker for the meetings.
	Oh no.
	And uh and so finally I had a moment because like the um you know, we all take our turns or whatever, talking about our things.
	Yeah.
	And finally, like the third person goes, and I like looked at my phone and I was like, no fucking way.
	It's just like my mouth dropped, my manager's like, what's up?
	And I'm like, uh keep going.
	This should some something happened.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I I think I was working during uh during uh January 6th, and I had kind of a similar similar kind of feeling where you're just like, Jesus, you're getting buzzed the hell out of, right?
	Yeah, I was at work on January 6th.
	And you have to keep working, and you're like, wait, are we still working?
	I didn't.
	You didn't you stopped.
	I just plug I plugged my phone in and I just like turned it on.
	I was like, what's going on?
	I was watching Baked Alaska enter the enter the Capitol, and I was like, This is wild.
	Whatever's going on.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, no, um there was a little bit of a manhunt.
	I think it lasted it went overnight, right?
	I think I don't know if it lasted a full day until they caught him, but uh Yeah, it didn't seem like it went too long.
	Like uh what is the 10th was Wednesday.
	So Wednesday at noon, Mountain Standard time in just outside of Provo, Utah.
	Yeah.
	Tyler Hanson's Narc father.
	Tyler Robinson.
	Robinson, part of me, Hanson.
	What am I thinking?
	And uh it was a joke, of course.
	Um yeah, it sounds like he he confessed it to his father or implied that he had committed the murder, maybe to a family friend, but either way, yeah, it was his father who found out and held him until the authorities showed up.
	It turns out he was also talking an awful lot in a Discord uh server.
	And guys, keep we have a Discord server for the audio wall stuff, so be I just keep in mind that that stuff uh police can see that stuff, you know.
	So let's keep it keep it chilling there, okay?
	GG, remember in Roblox.
	Uh in Roblox.
	That's uh that should be your signature.
	Set that to your signature, and then you're in good shape, right?
	Oh good.
	Yeah, before he was caught, uh authorities did find a hunting rifle wrapped in a towel, uh, dropped in a bush in a wooded area.
	And this is one of the things that Tyler Robinson was talking about with his friends that he had to go like pick up the rifle, or that he was like scouting the area to make sure that no one found it.
	So And this uh this weapon and what um I guess I guess at this point we've gotten used to people like scrawling messages on weapons for mass shootings, or sometimes even like in the case of Louis G. Mangioni, who allegedly um shot it that's Brian Thompson, right?
	The uh uh yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Uh healthcare CEO.
	Um the weapon that was used in those killings had what is it d deny, depose depose, defend, which are uh that was your company tactics to avoid paying claims.
	That was what was etched on the bullets in the gun that was used in that.
	Um yeah, and these these ones were actually much more interesting, I thought, because uh uh as we found out that the uh right wing folks are doing these like these transactions with wizards, I suppose.
	Okay.
	And and the wizards are then doing this, uh and this Byron is very interesting.
	We were saying earlier that they're enchanting these bullets with uh trans ideology.
	Oh god.
	Can we get to that in just a sec, actually?
	Before we get to that, I wanna I want to talk a little bit about our our main focus guy here, Steven Crowder got an exclusive on the 10th.
	His team received an email from an officer at the ATF uh pot uh supposedly and it included a screenshot from what appears to be an internal message describing a weapon and the cartridges located by the ATF.
	So quote on September 10th, 2025, at approximately 1224 PM, conservative political influencer Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at the Utah Valley uh university in Orim, Utah.
	Mr. Kirk was speaking at the university as part of the American Comeback Tour, blah yada yeah.
	Suspect fled one shot uh fired one shot from an elevated position on the rooftop in an adjacent building on the campus, and the surveillance video shows the suspect jumping off and fleeing the area on foot.
	ATF and other law enforcement located an older model, uh is that a Mauser 306?
	306.
	Interesting.
	Uh rifle wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus.
	And then it gets interesting.
	The spent cartridge was still chambered in addition to three unspent rounds at the top Fed magazine of the top at the at the top Fed magazine.
	All cartridges had engraved words on them expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.
	What the hell?
	Look at this memo from the ATF here.
	What the hell?
	Engraved expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.
	An emergency trace has been submitted in ATF SLC.
	Hmm.
	That's that Salt Lake City is working uh leads generated by the trace.
	The firearm and ammunition have been taken by the FBI and DNA analysis and fingerprint impressions.
	Yep.
	So uh that story song.
	Excuse me?
	I'd say have you ever heard this song before?
	Tell me which song.
	I don't think I can hear it, Jared.
	We put a uh YouTube to YouTube uh link there.
	Okay, let's take a peek.
	Uh oh.
	15 shells from a 30 on six by our boy Tommy Ways.
	Have you heard this before?
	I don't think I have 16 shell from 30 on six.
	Alright, that's it.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	That's all we need.
	That's fun.
	I like that.
	That's the gun.
	It's a little spice there.
	So this um this story kind of took off for a little bit.
	It uh got picked up by people like Andy No.
	Uh Newsweek.
	Well, even the Wall Street was it the Wall Street Journal who who took this story and it kind of ran with that.
	Um I I wasn't really sure.
	I didn't I didn't really click on any of this one.
	Someone in the uh the mainstream media uh uh f followed that whole uh trans anti-fascist ideology uh beat, and I'm sure they had access to the similar information that Steven Crowder did, but unfortunately he was the one who was this information was leaked to because of course at this point he is 6-0 for getting all of these right and also protecting his sources with his life.
	Um so unfortunately he's uh started uh a little something here with his mug club undercover, unfortunately.
	Very cool, very cool.
	Is this his page right now?
	This is his current Twitter situation, yeah.
	We go we go to the top of his page real quick.
	Yeah, of course I can.
	Yeah, what do we got?
	Well, I'm seeing that um his bio may have changed in the last moments here.
	Host of Louder with Crowder, the number one conservative daily show and home of the most watched election live stream in the world.
	There we go.
	And so, and uh uh just until earlier today, it said the number two conservative daily show.
	Oh, interesting.
	Why was that?
	Um, well, from uh 30 6.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Oh.
	Oh wow.
	Okay.
	Groc, is this true?
	Groc says, yes, verified sources confirmed.
	Charlie Kirk was killed on September 10th, 2025.
	Crowder's bio changed from conservative daily show on September 11th, as the show in the screenshot.
	His current bio still says.
	Oh no.
	I hate that.
	His ATF people are still leaking this stuff, and he is uh continuing to watermark All of these documents, by the way.
	This is insane.
	Like, this is not appropriate leaking.
	Like, what's but didn't we see like a picture of the bullet said like T R N on the back or something?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Let's talk about that really quick.
	Okay.
	So the trans ideology thing is is bullshit.
	There's a press conference this morning.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	I'm sorry.
	Uh I'm gonna walk you're gonna walk that fucking back because wizards are real and they are enchanting the damn bullet with the trans ideology.
	Should we should we should we get into that really quick?
	If you get shot with a trans bullet, you become trans.
	Everyone knows that's like a werewolf thing, right?
	Like it's a silver bullet to kill a werewolf.
	It's a trans bullet to make you uh transgender.
	And if you do the God, I can't remember what the other one was.
	It was it was three hours ago now.
	Yeah, we've been going for a bit.
	Uh September 8th.
	Uh Jezebel, the feminist uh, I guess uh satire website is that kind of what they were.
	I mean, like sort of lightly satire.
	It's like well, but sometimes I feel like Jezebel has like real articles.
	And up here they're attached to AV Club paste, Winter, endless mode.
	And so it's not like Reductrist where it's like it's like on the onion for like women's issues or whatever.
	Yeah, what maybe maybe I'm just maybe it's they're just kind of tongue in cheek, you know.
	There's just a little bit of they write real stuff.
	I don't know.
	I'm not actually sure.
	I'm not a regular reader of just having fun.
	Here's proof.
	Well, yeah, they paid some Etsy witches to curse Charlie Kirk.
	Uh if the far right misogynist with a bad haircut wants to villainize independent women, Jezebel is more than happy to be the hag of his nightmares.
	And this was again two days before his death.
	The internet has ruined me in thousands of ways, they say here.
	But one of its strangest gifts is that I can now buy a curse as easily as I can buy a phone charger on the mystical website Etsy.
	You can find a spell for just about anything.
	Don't want to rain, don't want it to rain on your wedding day.
	There's a spell for that.
	Want the man who cheated on you to develop an incurable rash?
	Uh-oh, or premature balding.
	The Etsy coven has you covered.
	But the internet has its downsides.
	Exhibit A. Charlie Kirk.
	Maybe it's his obsession with telling women that uh that what to do, pardon me.
	Or his aggressively large head.
	Jeez, okay.
	But the far right podcaster's presence is more irritating than most.
	And of course, I'm reading this article from with a way back machine because it this article is no longer up.
	Um unfortunately.
	Well, yeah, I mean, that this is just a poorly timed little piece by Jezebel.
	Um I guess, right, Jared?
	I don't know.
	I mean, there's they're saying that they did something to hurt him, and so maybe Egg Seth should I mean did they did they hurt him though?
	It is is it ethical to curse a man I never met?
	Probably not.
	They didn't hurt him.
	But is it unethical?
	Trunk ass might feel differently.
	That's especially about witches.
	He's probably freaked out by that, especially right now.
	September 13th.
	Can we take Etsy down, please?
	I don't the problem is, Pete, if we take down Etsy, they're gonna pop up three more of 'em.
	You know how these things work.
	Well, and your wife can't get those painted signs.
	We just the shooter created three thousand Charlie Kirks yesterday.
	Where can I get a blessed this mess sign if we get Etsy taken down, right?
	Exactly.
	I'm trying to buy a hutch and also a knockoff t-shirt that doesn't fit right Yeah, I need I just love Etsy cursive, you know, like the kind that you use on like a wedding sign that says like Jacob Jacob and Abigail or something.
	Okay, yeah.
	I should sell that.
	I I have great handwriting.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I think there's already a pretty established font for that.
	But I could get in there though, you know.
	That's true.
	I bet you do probably have good handwriting.
	I'm not gonna undercut him.
	Alright, so the next day after the curse here, the priestess sends I'll track it for curses with these witches, I guess.
	That's fair.
	See, that's bartering, and I like that.
	That's cool.
	So they burnt a picture of him.
	The edges they show the the burning here.
	Um wow, they timed it perfectly with that Virgo new moon.
	Interesting.
	Uh And it was a big moon.
	I was out there looking at it.
	It was a big nice looking moon.
	And they followed through.
	They followed it.
	It was late August, of course, and then they're trying to see if if they can get everyone to hate him, and eventually the curse caused them to retract it.
	There's an update and a note from the editor.
	Yep.
	On Monday, September 8th, we published the humorous piece titled We Paid Some Etsy Witches to Curse Charlie Kirk.
	The piece was intended as satire, and it made it absolutely clear that we wished him no physical harm.
	We stand by every word.
	But in light of Wednesday's events and the recommendations of our lawyers, we've removed the text.
	To be clear, this decision was driven by an abundance of caution for our staff and to avoid uh the piece being misused in a tense and volatile environment, not by a change in our editorial judgment.
	We may republish it at a later date, but out of compassion for the victim family, we want to make sure we don't want to make clear that we prioritize an end to violence over anyone wanting to read about Etsy witches, which makes I guess makes sense, but yeah.
	Yeah.
	They also posted a piece uh saying there are over 500 million guns in the US, which I think is an important piece to also uh discuss here.
	But how many guns must it have uh country?
	Yeah.
	How many hands are there if there's not even 500 million hands?
	Does that make sense?
	I'll I'll rework it.
	Yeah, yeah, we'll get there.
	Um so after the uh the suspect was brought in, there was a press conference um discussing what was actually written on the shell casings of this gun.
	Um yeah.
	I'm trying to type here.
	What I think about like the history books.
	Yeah, this is what's gonna be in it.
	Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle.
	Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices bulges capital O W O. What's this question mark?
	Inscriptions on the three.
	Yeah.
	Ooh.
	Yep, they nailed it.
	Oh bulge notices bulge.
	Oh what's this?
	Oh capital O W O. What's this question mark?
	Inscriptions on the three unfired casings.
	Hey fascist exclamation point, catch exclamation point.
	Okay.
	Up arrow symbol, right arrow, and uh symbol, and three down arrow symbols.
	What does that mean?
	Up right and down down.
	It's uh the keyboard code for drop a bomb on your enemy in Helldivers, too.
	Oh, and Helldivers 2 is a multi-platformed game where you the player are working with other players who are all Team America, essentially, but you are it is included in the text of the game that you are the fascists,
	and you are doing um fascist takeovers of different planets, and so like your team of everybody who's playing, you're all playing together, are working to take over as much as the universe as possible.
	And it's sort of, I guess the universe sort of has this like non-stop sort of thing, and then the developers will send like different threats, or like if it's too hard or it's too easy, they'll scale it, but I but I believe that it's whoever's online you're on the same team, but it's sort of um what's the movie?
	Um Starship Troopers.
	Starship Troopers, yes, adjacent, where it's written in that tone of the uh um, it's like a satire kind of Yeah, what's I I don't remember, I can't say his name right now off the top of my head.
	Mike Judge.
	Rope, rope, Robocop.
	Oh, sure, sure.
	What's what's the director's name?
	Can't remember.
	A second unfired casing red Obela Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow Chow, and a third unfired casing red.
	If you read this, you are gay L M A O. Alright.
	Invest.
	So that's you are gay.
	If you read this.
	Paul Verhoven is the director.
	Yeah.
	I so listen.
	I don't know much about the furry community, but apparently that's what the initial reference was to notice the bulge.
	Notice is bulge.
	Yeah, so it's it's it's two guys talking, and it's like uh you pull like the one furry pulls like the other one in, and then they notice the bulge.
	And then they're like, oh, what's this?
	Oh well.
	It's just it's a it's a dialogue, it's just like a back and forth.
	So basically it's used to describe about one furry having a boner.
	Yeah, it's used to describe an awkward online flirting, though.
	That's kind of how it's been like adapted, right?
	Like, yeah.
	From from furry fan fiction to whatever the fuck oowoo is.
	Yeah, listen, I don't live on that kind of internet.
	I'm almost 40 years old at this point.
	Like I I just don't understand.
	The alleged shooter is 22 years old, kind of right in the sweet spot of whatever this new Gen Z uh internet culture, like memey skibbity toilets influenced uh, I guess shooters.
	Yeah, Michael Bay.
	What is Byron?
	I'm right here.
	Um I don't understand Michael Bay, they're doing a skibbity with Bay.
	Yeah.
	No way.
	Get fucked.
	I'm gonna quit the show.
	I'm telling you right now that they've they've already done it.
	They're working on it today.
	I'm looking it up.
	He's waking up and he's doing skippity toilet movie.
	There is absolutely no way.
	Have you not pressed enter yet?
	Skibbity toilet film and TV franchise in the works.
	Yeah.
	And who's attached to it?
	Oh my god.
	Why?
	How?
	How is that?
	That's Michael Bae.
	Well, first of all, Michael Bay has enough money that he doesn't need that.
	That's not Lord Farquad.
	Yeah, like he needs to get a different haircut.
	That's crazy.
	All right, okay.
	We're moving along.
	I just say it.
	If you read this, you're gay.
	Whatever, dude.
	Listen.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Skibbity Toilet.
	Yeah, it's all bullshit.
	It's bullshit.
	It's this is the.
	If he would have not killed Charlie Kirk, he could have been skibbity toilet in the Michael Base.
	He could have auditioned at least, okay.
	Um listen.
	So for Crowder to say that that is um that that is trans ideology and and I mean it's kind of anti-fascist ideology, but it's not Antifa ideology.
	You know, like an Antifa again.
	Like listen.
	This big antifies.
	Yeah.
	The gang.
	A boogeyman that I I didn't know people were still talking about.
	Like oh yeah.
	It's based on Eddington, one or two of them.
	Yeah.
	Maybe they they got Eddington failed.
	They didn't they didn't know what they were watching, and then they were like, did you see this?
	Too fucking chilled out to leave.
	We watched this documentary the other day about this town in New Mexico.
	It was crazy.
	Craziest thing I've ever seen.
	It's about this mayor running for this sheriff for mayor.
	It's crazy, man.
	Sheriff run for mayor.
	The next thing you know, they're getting new jobs, and it's so sick.
	And I want one of those new jobs.
	Uh yeah, okay.
	All right.
	Um, listen.
	I don't know.
	Do you have any strong feelings about these casings?
	I d uh I like that.
	Okay.
	Let me walk that back.
	No, no, no.
	I'll I'll finish what I was saying.
	Sure.
	I like that ice cream is good.
	Okay.
	And I like that our culture is so fucking internet poisoned that someone like Kelly would uh have like a hard time understanding what what was just happening in in any of these bullets.
	I I only don't know one of them.
	Which is what?
	Do you know the the Bella Chow?
	Yeah, well, so that's a that's uh a song.
	I don't know the meme.
	Oh, it's not a meme.
	Um it is a song that was sung.
	Let's see.
	The song lyrics are written on it, oh, Bella Chow Bella Chow.
	Um let's see.
	So it's an anti fascist song.
	Um where was it?
	It's Italian.
	Yeah, clearly Italian, but um so popular World War II era Italian antifascist song.
	It is a 19th century protest song initially sung by Italian workers in the rice fields and uh dedicated to the uh uh uh partitions of Nazi resistance.
	Yeah, isn't it called Risotto in Italy?
	That's funny.
	It's a good joke.
	It's pretty critical.
	It's good stuff.
	It's late, guys.
	Listen, we're doing our best.
	Um and and I do want to say we're doing this, we're gonna do a full episode on Crowder's actual kind of timeline surrounding this stuff, but I just thought that maybe we should get this out ahead to let you know.
	I get and you know, we didn't even we're 30 minutes in here, and we haven't really like even scratched the surface so much.
	We scratched the surface, but I also want to say like this is an awful tragedy, and this is not like anything that needs to be like this is like fucked up stuff.
	Um yeah, not not cool, but what do they say?
	Uh live by the sword, die by the sword.
	Alright, so Jared might be a little bit leaning in that direction, and that's fine too.
	I it's just like so hard not to.
	It's like I don't appreciate the fact for his children and saw that.
	His wife I don't really care about, if I'm honest.
	Okay.
	Uh that's fair.
	And it's most it's just mostly his children.
	Like it's like a very unfair thing for them to have to grow up without a father.
	Well, and they saw it too, you know.
	And that's yeah, and yeah, the whole like uh I don't know how you process that.
	It's like I it it's it's terribly unfair, and it's terribly sad in a lot of ways, but in even more ways than just those couple is that it feels just as the wrong word,
	but it just feels like this person who cried out for this exact thing to happen, and it's just fine, and these sorts of things are fine, and he's defending it.
	His last words were down to the bone defending it.
	And I I don't know what type of art Charlie Kirk appreciates, and I have to assume that he just thinks like similarly to his counterparts, Ben Shapiro, for instance.
	Ramp is crap, ramp's not easy.
	Yeah, ramp it's crap.
	And we're gonna hear a little bit of that coming up soon in this modern modern art is the only uh i it's the devil, it's fascism, and everything has to look like a house or something.
	Charlie Charlie does Charlie does uh not let his children listen to anything but classical music.
	I don't know if you heard that, but no, and so it's not surprising to me, and it's not lost on me that these completely artless hacks in in this case died beautifully poetically, and that says maybe something in there.
	Yeah.
	Like uh on the uh in in the movie, the movie tale, the The fairy tale ending.
	Um I'm struck into calling this person the villain, but the villain dying in like such a way that is like you will never forget Charlie Kirk, and you will never forget the way you he overshad his death made everyone forget that it was 9-11 the day after.
	It's pretty wild, right?
	Like uh the Marriott didn't even put out the mini muffins this year.
	Are you serious?
	They didn't put out the mini muffins and there wasn't complimentary coffee.
	Well, how can I look into the reflection pools if I don't have my mini muffin in hand, you know.
	Yeah, and you know, but again, like my heart goes out to his kids, especially his kids specifically.
	Yeah, I mean, his daughter just turned three, and he has a one-year-old uh son.
	And uh I mean, I guess I'm afraid too, because like I mean, uh, you uh over the past few days watching Steven Crow's live streams, uh, just watching the chat just flood with heinous shit.
	I've I was sharing with you and Dennis a ton of stuff, and it's just like you know, we're small potatoes, Jared, but like seeing stuff that says death to the left.
	Uh I mean saying that the that this isn't the real shooter, the real shooter is being shell uh sh sheltered by leftist.
	Um yeah, I mean, listen, these people can't like speak to the conversation that like you and I would be like even trying to have with them.
	Yeah.
	Am I the only one that still wants blood for people celebrating?
	I still want people uh who celebrated his death hunted down.
	My pound of flesh flesh was a good one I pulled.
	It's so good.
	Yeah, and and then this like the idea that they feel, and this is kind of an interesting thing that I if I had like a friend who is on like the the right-year right side of right, like I'd really like to talk to them about this, but they said the left has been at war for years, the right just decided to join yesterday.
	So they have this feeling as if they've been attacked for years, right?
	Like, yeah, yeah.
	Well, we've been we've been dragging their good name through the mud for how long.
	Sure.
	And and uh uh a difference of opinion shouldn't mean that you end a friendship or you get me fired from my job, like just because I think that like you know, uh this minority is like more worth more than this other minority, but they're still worth less than me and my white skin.
	Of course, like though those are just opinions, and you shouldn't feel any kind of way about me feeling like that.
	You should we should be able to be like we you uh when I die, you should be able to give me my uh deathbed kiss still.
	Wait, and that that's a kind of a hangover from another program that we've had.
	Yes, everyone deserves a death deathbed kiss.
	We're doing this live, so our our friends that are still hanging out, no.
	Yeah, we gotta we gotta give yeah, and you can guys, if you want to watch this live twitch.tv slash audio will network, and uh if you follow us there, you'll be notified when we go live first.
	But yeah, I mean uh like uh stuff like what was it?
	Um Charlie's death was from words that should be outlawed.
	I like this one Nazi, fascist, racist, etc.
	The left needs to stop using these words, it only brings violence.
	That was one of my favorites that I pulled.
	Yeah, it it's so I don't know, man.
	We're looking at the same news in real time, and then like do you just do you just assume that they like collectively like oh it's 451.
	I guess we better sign off and just never update our like information on this thing that's happening, and we're really invested in it.
	That's why I'm saying that like actually none of these people are invested in this thing.
	I mean, yeah, yeah.
	It's um they're not they they don't actually give a shit.
	It's the same as Trump.
	Trump's more interested in having a cool building garden.
	And yeah, it's a ballroom, it's 400 million Dollars, it's taxpayer money.
	You're actually not invited to it because it doesn't fit more than 700 people, I think, at a time.
	So this is interesting.
	This is from Robert Evans from Behind the Bastards.
	He posted this on Blue Sky.
	Just a heads up.
	This is disinfo.
	And this is in response to um Steven Crowder talking about trans ideology and the bullets.
	He points out that the five five-six uh rifle caliber rounds say TRN on the back.
	Uh which is Turin, the company.
	It's not trans.
	Yeah, it's not trans.
	And this is likely the explanation for that.
	But uh yeah, and he uh that that's not a hundred percent sure, but either way, wait, wait, wait.
	Now we're we're getting into gun talk.
	So I could be wrong with that, but um and and so if that is true, then the the the wizard, I guess, is just the fucking Gary who makes the bullet.
	Oh, good.
	That's true.
	That's one of the witches or the wizards there, yeah.
	The gunsmith.
	Okay, all of that aside, though, like special, I guess.
	So it's okay.
	Well, we're gonna get into the episode of where Crowder Crowder responds to the facts of this coming out, which of course uh more.
	Can we um play?
	I I know I sent it to the chat.
	Uh-huh.
	His pray for Charlie moment.
	Oh, of course.
	Yeah, we can definitely do that.
	I I believe I sent it to this is this Tom Waits again.
	Yeah, uh I'm sorry, not this chat, but uh our chat with uh oh I don't have access to that from here, unfortunately.
	Because I'm on a PC computer.
	But I do want to say uh yeah, we're gonna cover Steven's episode, kind of going through the reality of of what the situation was, because the day before he was implying that this was another trans shooter, an Antifa trans um shooter, and in his chat this morning, I noticed people say swore that suspect was gonna be trans, or uh uh so he is not trans, but he could be gay, someone said.
	I thought that was kind of funny.
	Hold tight, guys.
	Listen, he may not be trans, but he could be a gay.
	Here is the video.
	I just want to just want to uh everyone just like check out his shirt.
	You can get this at the mug club, I'm sure.
	Oh no, it doesn't exist, it says.
	What do you mean there's a may I'll remove this plus sign that he added at the end?
	Okay.
	Uh might have done that, yeah.
	Hey, um, we don't know uh any more than than you do right now.
	We're watching CNN than everyone here.
	I know has been praying for Charlie Kirk, the Kirk.
	Is it a joke that he's watching CNN?
	Why is he watching CNN?
	Because he fucking loves CNN.
	It's like the number one trusted news source.
	Family.
	I just don't know is the shirt.
	The state of our country, obviously.
	It's always good to talk to to be praying for someone who just got shot in the neck while wearing a piss-off YouTube t-shirt where rumbles.
	Yeah, we got rumble.
	We got the mug pissing on YouTube.
	Uh-huh.
	Dennis has a tendency to ask, is that real?
	Yeah, it's real.
	This is real.
	This is real.
	It's a shirt.
	He can get one.
	We should get him one.
	Oh, of course.
	And right away, they're already spinning.
	I like that also it's like not even screen printed.
	It's like it's a transfer.
	That pretz on bullshit.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It feels all chunky on his fucking skin, probably.
	It's not good.
	It's crispy.
	It's a crispy shirt.
	And then like I said, we don't we don't have all the information yet, but I do know what they're saying is wrong.
	They're saying this is something now that just heard them say this plagues both sides.
	No, it doesn't.
	No, it doesn't.
	It doesn't plague both sides.
	One side has to risk their life and limb to express opinions, and the other acts with complete impunity.
	I can't tell you how many times I've been in that situation and been called enough to make a Charlie all of us back there.
	I love their eating, yeah, they're eating all his potatoes in the back.
	Um big old basket of potatoes back here, Steve.
	Uh so I guess I'll do a little tease clip.
	I pulled this from this morning's Jesus.
	I hope I didn't uh did I fuck up the audio?
	okay.
	So this is uh just a little clip from this morning's show where he's kind of doubling down on this, and I said, Not only did S. Crowder tuck his shirt in from the top today, uh he's also stoking slash justifying future political violence against the left.
	And then I go on to say, I guess there were no pipe bombs sent to Dems from Caesar Sank was it Sayak.
	There is no Paul Pelosi whose attacker Kirk called a patriot.
	He also, by the way, uh Charlie Kirk was gonna try to raise bail funds for Paul Pelosi's attacker.
	That's interesting.
	There was no Whitmer plot, Hortman and her husband are alive.
	Uh Pana didn't do drive-by shootings, Shapiro's house wasn't firebombed in Jan 6 was a Fed Surrection.
	So yeah, you're right, Steve.
	Here's the thing I will show you, I will tell you guys.
	Um the left is violent.
	Oh, New York.
	It's not even close.
	There is such a thing as right wing violence.
	We have not seen it in this country for a very long time.
	Okay.
	And we're praying and hoping that it does not come.
	But when it when it does rear its ugly head, it it tends to be uh vicious.
	Hmm vicious.
	Okay.
	And it tends to be something from people who are long suffering.
	Um and then uh people end up having enough.
	And uh if you were to craft a playbook on how to get people in this country fed up, it would be after someone being brutally senselessly murdered in a terrorist act, still placing the blame kind of on him and still doing things the same way.
	Yeah, sure, people can say this wasn't wow, it shouldn't have happened, and uh we're sad there shouldn't be political violence, but if they keep censoring, if they keep marginalizing, if they keep referring to you as radical, if they keep vilifying you as Nazi Hitler, racist, homophobe, that means that they want the same thing to happen to you and and and and people are fed up.
	This is so wait, so he's saying that if I call a Nazi a Nazi, then that means I also wait, want them all to be dead, right?
	Yeah, yeah, everyone should be dead.
	Uh that's right.
	Oh um didn't like a it's like a week ago, like Charlie Kirk said that uh uh Zaron Mamdami Mam Dami, is that how you say it?
	I think he got it.
	I think I got it.
	And Muslims like him were responsible for 911.
	Yeah, I mean, I think he did say that.
	Didn't didn't he say that?
	Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
	That's fucking crazy.
	It's not great, but it's funny because I try really hard to not do the whole whataboutism stuff.
	But like I yeah, it's just sort of like, but what is you know?
	But in this case, it's just so hard.
	You say so much of it, and you like you put it in the damn shotgun.
	Uh maybe this is like not an apt uh yeah, we can do gun.
	It's fine.
	Yeah, yeah, you're right.
	What the we're going down this pipeline anyway.
	Uh so you put it uh you put all this gun and you shoot it out, big shotgun blast, and uh every day you're tweeting all of this shit.
	Zoran Mom Dami is the fucking reason why 9-11 happened.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh and abortion is the Holocaust, yeah.
	Uh the the fucking the the nightclub in Colorado Springs, the LGBTQ uh night club and yeah.
	Yeah, was that Pulse in Colorado?
	Whereas I think that that was in Tampa.
	Oh, Pulse was in in Florida.
	What's the uh I don't know what the Colorado Springs one was, but it was uh 2022 um shooting uh targeted, obviously at the nightclub.
	Um I think you're right, Buffalo New York grocery store.
	That was Club Q. Club Q. Sorry about that.
	Yeah.
	Buffalo, of course, yeah.
	Allen, Texas shopping mall in 2023.
	Well, it's all we just can amend.
	We just do this all fucking day, you know what I mean?
	And it's like this guy, this guy said something probably about every single one of these things, and he probably said a lot of things about every single one of these things.
	And so when you make a paper trail digitally or otherwise, uh about these, and you're very loud about it, and you tour on the fact that you're very loud about it, and you're fac you're like give me a microphone so I could be even louder about those things.
	It's very Hard not to just push that exactly against your person and say, like I do we were you not asking for this to happen?
	What were you wearing?
	I guess holding up a mirror is of a shirt that said freedom.
	Well, maybe that bullet wanted to fucking fly free.
	Alright, okay.
	I don't know about that.
	I I you know, I just you know what are we what are we doing here?
	What like why is it okay for him to say that shit and for people to get upset or sh it and not even like no one's like everyone's been upset with him, and it's to a point where it's like, yeah, I can't really give too much more of a fuck about Charlie Kirk.
	And so the fact that he got a bullet in his neck, I don't appreciate it on a level of like that's not how we do things, but it is how we do things.
	We live in a culture of fear and violence, and it's all fucking bad all the time.
	I guess I'm worried it's just gonna get worse, though.
	But I'd also like it's hard because the problem is hard not to feel like that.
	Well, the the problem is like so the the political violence stuff.
	Whenever it happens, and it is someone on the right who does it, which it is uh statistically more uh they are more responsible for it.
	I think it's 60%.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, I agree.
	But like this is a business relationship 6040.
	It's 60.
	They got the lion's share.
	It's actually over 60 and less than 30, and then there's like a small percentage that is Islamic extremism.
	A trans?
	No, I mean, maybe I don't know, but that that's really small, an even smaller two people, I guess.
	But but every time the right like when when someone on the left does something, and we'll get to a deeper discussion on the the true affiliation of of the shooter of in this situation, but and we don't actually, you know, we probably won't because we don't really know it's not super clear at this point, but it's it's definitely not fully uh established that he's just a radical right person, but or radical left person.
	Um every time something happens on the right, like Paul Pelosi or Josh Sapiro's house getting firebombed, or the the Michigan Congress people who were killed by uh a man pretending to be a police officer wearing a horrifying mask going door to door with a uh kill list.
	It's never they never take responsibility for it.
	They never say, oh man, like we need to cool we need to cool things down, we need to like uh you know politics people should feel comfortable talking.
	They they just say like, oh, it's not real, it didn't happen.
	The Paul Pelosi guy was a gay lover.
	Uh they ignore the the the Michigan shooter after they try to pin it on him because he had a no kings no kings uh protest flyer in his car.
	They try to say that he was the left, they try to say that it's Tim Walls, like some sort of weird, like he worked for Tampon Tim and like it's some weird conspiracy, like there's they never take responsibility for things when when they happen,
	and like when Donald Trump's response to something like this is to repeat the tragedy, like the shooting of Steve Scalise by that Bernie supporter over a decade ago, like a decade and a half ago, brings that up as an example, like uh of this happens all the time.
	The lunatic left 17 years ago, yeah, and like I I and I think we can all take some sort of I mean in that case it was just a crazy person.
	It's not even like the temperature was that high at that period in time.
	Was it 2017, right?
	Like Yeah, I don't remember.
	I just it it it's insane to me that no responsibility can be taken on the right, and it is unfortunate that the left has to say that cooler heads are gonna prevail, but they just keep getting like their ass kicked by like the themselves.
	Yeah, and and and there's this level of exploitation that comes with accepting that like you're gonna be the high road party, but you're not even on the same road anymore, right?
	Like you're not even heading in the same direction.
	Like there and I mean it's like clear that like with this one, obviously we haven't gotten there in the in the narrative.
	Sure.
	But uh just sort of like what what is a fracture and like how bad is it, and like do we understand how bad the fracture is, and is that maybe like more clearly part of the I guess outwardly like uh like how how outwardly somebody who is going to pull the trigger on somebody is going to be more I don't even know what I'm trying to say,
	but like uh I guess like I I don't know.
	Trying to trying to like put this together in my head is like difficult.
	Charlie o'clock in the morning.
	No, I know.
	But the but I I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's like we we know what the statistics say and we know how we feel about it.
	We know what they they say we feel about it, as far as like representatives of the left, the enemy of the people that were that we're blood hungry and we're celebrating, and I have to like keep suggesting that like shrugging at this incident is not the same thing as celebrating it.
	That's true.
	These two things are are very different, and like being indifferent about like Charlie Kirk's death is not even what we are.
	It's in the sense of like it it happened, it's unfortunate, but it's also who is responsible for this Tyler Robinson, who is Tyler Robinson, and do we do we want to just get into that?
	Well, give me give me a couple more seconds, because I do want to talk about like what Elon Musk is saying, saying that the the left is the party of murder, and we got Steven Miller's wife saying it's a real treat to see all these liberals condemn political violence now.
	You called us Hitler, you called us Nazis, you call this racist, you have blood on your hands.
	And then like I wanted to play that Nancy Mace clip.
	Yeah, the Nancy Mace clip, certainly.
	I thought that that would be that would be uh I think I think it's it it expediates sort of like what the like their the explanation of like their misunderstanding of what is happening to them in real time, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm gonna say this.
	Democrats own what happened today.
	I am devastated.
	My kids have called panicking.
	They probably all the kids of every conservative in the country call panicking.
	Just because you speak your mind on an issue doesn't mean you get shot.
	Then do by that logic, do Republicans own the shooting of the two democratic lawmakers a minute in Minnesota?
	Here she panics.
	I love this.
	Isn't this isn't this on both sides?
	Are you kidding me?
	No, I'm asking.
	We don't know what condition Charlie Kirk is in right now.
	No, you're wrong.
	A raging leftist lunatic put a bullet through his neck.
	And you want to talk about Republicans right now?
	No.
	No, I'm actually.
	No, not at all.
	You said the Democrats have been.
	Now she's gonna talk over him until this.
	But is it a problem with political political violence across the spectrum?
	Yeah, we're talking about Charlie Kirk right now.
	That's the subject of this we're talking about right.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	Crazy take from Nancy Mace.
	Yeah, not unsurprising though.
	I mean, like, this is how all these lunatics talk all the time.
	And they it's never like you said, they'll they'll never take responsibility for it, and they're like the fact, you know, obviously, here's the thinking.
	Uh Charlie Kirk died today.
	Who would kill Charlie Kirk?
	But not somebody on our own side, but it would be obviously somebody on the other side who are because we live in a binary, a Democrat, and Democrats must own this issue because they killed Charlie Kirk.
	They did this.
	Uh well, I it's not so clear though, right?
	Like, maybe they they being Nancy Mace's party might be more closely associated with this.
	Maybe like the America First Party.
	Uh no, no, no.
	This is the Democrats, purely Democrats.
	They they the Democrats would have to do the Capital D Democrats.
	This is the one on their house.
	I mean, the problem is it's not so clear.
	Tyler Robinson, um his whole family seems to be Democrat.
	Well, fairly fairly conservative, actually.
	Yeah.
	No, you couldn't tell from his sunglasses.
	Well, listen, or like you know.
	Well, how about that?
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