Louder Than Crowder - EPISODE 69: NECK GEOMETRY (NOVEMBER 25TH. 2019)

Aug. 1, 2025 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 69: NECK GEOMETRY (NOVEMBER 25TH. 2019)

This week the boys decalcify their hyoid bones, as they break down Steven's attempt to break his own neck, proving that financier Jeffrey Epstein couldn't have possibly killed himself. CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE Hat (for folks who like hats). Like what we're doing? Want MORE for FREE? Join the Shrug Club at http://patreon.com/shrugclub Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	Welcome to Louder than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast Louder with Crowderdhurm my name is byron and i'm to join i'm to hmm and tonight texas is unoccupied at least by this guy our lone star brother in studio it's jared oh okay shooting guns into the ceiling okay this is my home jared and um i've got some sealant Oh, you do.
	Yeah, it's fine.
	We'll fix it.
	Well, Dennis will fix it when he gets back because he's missing this week, unfortunately, but he's in our thoughts.
	And our prayers.
	The most important things.
	The two most important things.
	Well, if we were, I don't know.
	I'm trying to thank the Lord for these kids that got swept away downriver.
	You know, we're going to give them our thoughts and our prayers.
	Of course.
	That'll bring them back.
	It usually does.
	His little angels.
	Oh, yeah, it is sad.
	It is.
	Absolutely sad.
	After a quick vacation, we are back.
	Guess who isn't, though?
	That would be Steven Crowder.
	who is going to return on July 23rd.
	I can't wait to see his Oakley tan lines.
	Remember last year after Trump got shot, he had to dock his boat for a second?
	He had a red face from...
	He was very laked out.
	It was pretty cool, but yeah, can't wait to see what that's all about.
	Also, looking forward to hearing his take on all this fun, fresh Epstein talk.
	I'm kind of sick of it.
	Are you?
	A little bit.
	I just like watching the leopards eat the face.
	It's been like almost two weeks now of Epstein talk.
	It is a little exhausting, but I do know there are a handful of folks who really want everyone to move, Hond.
	Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
	This guy's been talked about for years.
	You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things.
	And are people still talking about this guy, this creep?
	Unbelievable.
	Unbelievable.
	I feel like everyone's got to like, they have to like be wary of this, how Trump will talk about his former friends.
	Of course.
	In their passing.
	Oh, this fucking creep, you know, and it's, you know, everyone knows.
	They're boys.
	Yeah, they were boys.
	They were boys together.
	They hung out a lot.
	Not even like a little bit.
	They were best buds.
	They were on the plane.
	They were kissing feats.
	Sure.
	They had secrets.
	Of course.
	Wonderful secrets.
	Oh, every day is one, right?
	It was very nice.
	Yeah.
	Has this picture shown on the screen?
	No, the pick hasn't dropped yet.
	I feel like the $20 billion lawsuit against Rupert Murdoch, as well as the journalists over at the Wall Street Journal.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the old gray lady.
	Or what is it, the record of truth?
	Now every time I visualize the pubic region of a woman, now I see Donald Trump's signature.
	Just the signature.
	kind of frustrating.
	And it's crazy because yours is usually like a...
	Yeah, I usually do that.
	It's right next to my Playboy bunny head.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, so that's why today we're going to be doing a little time traveling.
	November 25th., 2019, the Epstein didn't kill himself live stream.
	You hear about this thing?
	Hmm?
	It's a very special event that Steven has.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, bragging about a replica cell that his team built where this would all be going down.
	We'll be walking through one of the bravest things to have ever been live streamed.
	He did a similar thing with George Floyd, I'm pretty sure.
	Oh, God, he did.
	He didn't stand on my neck or anything.
	No, he actually did that.
	Yeah, I think he did that.
	Well, speaking of people who have done stuff like this, this is one of the bravest things ever been streamed.
	Apart from that time that Man Cow waterboarded himself on air, you remember that?
	I mean, this sounds familiar.
	Yeah, he was trying to prove that it isn't torture and it took about two to three seconds before he immediately started panicking and tapped out.
	Yeah.
	Two, I lied.
	Water going.
	All right, that's it.
	That's it.
	All right.
	Oh, God.
	Man Cow is soaked.
	Oh, Man Cow is soaked.
	We all got a little water on him.
	How you doing, buddy?
	How do you feel?
	Do you want the EMT is here.
	No, no, it's okay.
	It is.
	Mr. Bret.
	I'm fine.
	It is much worse than I thought it would be.
	And it is much worse than I thought it would be.
	And that's no joke.
	Would you consider that torture?
	Look, all that's been done to this country, and I heard about water being dropped on someone's face, and I never considered torture, even when I was landing there, I thought, This is going to be no big deal.
	I go swimming.
	It's going to be like being in the tub.
	It's such an odd feeling to have water pouring down your nose and your mouth with your head back.
	It was instantaneous.
	I thought I could hold out thirty seconds, sixty seconds.
	It was instantaneous.
	And I don't want to say this.
	I do.
	I don't want to say this.
	Absolutely torture.
	That is absolutely torture.
	That is torture.
	Will Steven pull it off?
	Will he prove that you can try to break your own neck if you want to?
	Is this the reason that he's always sitting in the studio or during his Change My Minds?
	Has he been paralyzed from the way he did since 2019?
	I feel like he's more of the type that's going to try to get his legs over the back of his head, if you know what I'm saying.
	All that will be discussed, but first we need to take a second to thank some folks who are supporting us over at shrug.club.
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	Double salutes, which people, thank you so much for your patience while we went on vacation.
	But yeah, also thanks for all the nice, kind words about double salutes, huh?
	Yeah, I don't know what got me.
	What, I mean, was like a, maybe a woodpecker was sitting on top of me.
	Chops on top of me, just pecking me and trying to get the worms out of my guts.
	Huh.
	Yeah, I don't really know.
	Are you feeling okay?
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	and over at Knowledge Fight they're called Policymonks.
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	Jared, have we met Audio Wade yet?
	Hmm.
	Does that name sound familiar?
	Hmm, I don't know that we have.
	Does this voice sound familiar?
	Well, this is it, folks.
	The big event.
	This evening, one man will attempt to recreate the suicide of noted pedophile Jeffrey Edward Epstein.
	It will certainly be a feat like nothing the world has ever seen and could only be attempted by the undisputed superstar of Daredevils, Stephen Kneeven Crowder.
	Good evening.
	I'm Audio Wade.
	We are here for an attempt at what is no doubt one of the most anticipated fake suicide recreations in history.
	If you're tweeting about this evening, and Lord in heaven, I hope you are, be sure to use the hashtag Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.
	And please be certain to tweet your questions or comments to S. Crowder, which we will read live later in the program just prior to the stunt being performed.
	No.
	Yeah, I'm going to say no to that.
	It's like Ben Shapiro trying to do like the matchbox guy.
	It's interesting, huh?
	So that's Wade Stotts.
	He is no longer at Louder with Crowder.
	He actually left not too long after this episode, sometime in 2020, and he is currently the host of The Wade Show with Wade.
	Hmm.
	Over on YouTube.
	Does he know Vince?
	Oh, interesting.
	Are they changing notes?
	I think we got something here, and that thing being what I was born with, which is a name.
	Yeah, that's it.
	I don't know.
	I thought about adding him to our list of characters because Audio Wade has evolved into Audio Video Wade.
	Maybe.
	Well, that's not what he calls himself, but he's in front of the camera, and he talks to a about, I don't know, a couple thousand people on YouTube.
	I think it was 18,000 people are subscribed to his show.
	So maybe something to add to our radar.
	I thought he was going to describe Steven Kneeven.
	Is that what he said?
	I think so.
	I don't know why you would say Steven Kneeval.
	That wouldn't make any sense.
	Shout out to Butte America.
	Of course.
	We love, we are No.
	But does cool stuff on a motorcycle.
	Yeah, I'll watch a guy shoot across the Grand Canyon on a motorcycle.
	Or rip across on a crotch rocket.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of awesome.
	I'm into that.
	You know, I thought he's going to try to describe Steven's like, well, he's going to do Jeffrey Upsteam, but it's's like he's going to perform first the first 30 years of Jeffrey Epstein before we get to the jail cell.
	See, that's rough.
	Gotta really get it in there.
	All right.
	This guy, Wade, is going to be guiding us through this very electric, sensitive, and certainly not exploitative episode.
	And tonight, through Black Friday, if you join up at louderworthcrowder.com slash mug club with promo code Epstein, you'll get $20 off.
	Again, that's louderworthcrowder.com slash mug club promo code Epstein.
	$20 off your subscription.
	Yeah.
	And do you think this still works?
	I hope it's just a universal promo code that's always on.
	It's just always on.
	Because he's got veterans and...
	Yeah.
	So now you can do promo code Epstein on Rumble.
	Gross, guys.
	Promo code Epstein.
	Like, what are we doing?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	We're trying to make money on the back of child sexual abuse.
	Well, we're trying to give you the benefit of joining us.
	Uh-huh.
	So it's really, it's for you.
	It's not for us.
	We're going to get 50 bucks.
	Yeah.
	But you're going to save 20.
	And you're going to forget about the subscription and it's going to go through and we're not going to give you a refund.
	No, no, no.
	Do you ever wonder if, like, people...
	I mean, I wouldn't put it past them, right?
	Like, why not?
	Send them an email to be like, this Mug Club is over, but you are still an active member of Mug Club.
	And you can pay for Rumble premium, too.
	And also, yeah, and also this.
	Why don't you do that?
	Code Epstein over there as well.
	Yeah, Epstein Crowder.
	Should we use Rumble Code Epstein this week?
	Absolutely not.
	It's disgusting.
	The big ug, he had been teasing this thing for a while, you know, talking about it pretty frequently in the weeks ahead of this, but yet this is what is expected to be going.
	Yeah, thanks Audio Wade.
	I appreciate you doing a bang up job.
	First, let me be clear.
	There are about one in a million details that we cannot go over or account for in this experiment.
	But let me be the first to say, or let me say this first on the outset.
	The number that we are trying to hit on that was a pneutometer scale?
	16 right now.
	55 kilograms.
	121 pounds of force.
	55 kilograms, 121 pounds of force is what we're looking to hit to recreate a scenario in which Jeffrey Epstein's suicide is even plausible.
	Before we jump into bunking or debunking, I think we should talk a little bit about the situation in Ch general.
	I think we should talk about our emails.
	Okay.
	So we're still on that.
	We gotta lock Comey up too now, right?
	Honestly, the steel dossier, we should bring that up.
	This is the demon rat's got, it's written all over it.
	All right.
	Did, I mean, Epstein, in your opinion, like, where do you stand on this whole situation?
	He definitely did not kill himself.
	He definitely did not kill himself.
	And that's fine.
	I'm still wherever, you know.
	There's no evidence of Yeah, there's neither.
	Yeah, but then that's why I want these, and again, I know What do we know more?
	I know there's no list, but I would like to see more information about this.
	Are you saying there's no list as of right now, like in 2020?
	I know this has been presented, and I don't know if there's just like an actual client list.
	I think that there is a list.
	Does he?
	I love that guy.
	He always tells the truth.
	It's crazy because it's, like, we were talking just before this, like, the Murdoch trial and stuff.
	And it's like, you know, Dem's in my feet or whatever, the Libs in my feet who are like, I didn't think I would be rooting for Rupert Murdoch on my 2025 bingo card.
	And it's like, yeah, this is just like a worm fight.
	Like, yeah.
	You don't have to choose your favorite worm.
	But it is fun to watch.
	Yeah, yeah, you love it.
	Yeah, it's like this is the ant farm, right?
	Like we're, we get to be like the I told you so crowd, but like now we're in the Coliseum.
	Yeah.
	We're watching the worm fight.
	It is fun.
	It's just like, I know based on the research I've done and the great work of people over like True and on, you know, there is no clear Epstein list, but there are benefits to allowing them to think that there is.
	Sure.
	Right?
	That's fine and it's fun.
	I also at the same time don't feel like it's open and shut suicide for Epstein.
	No.
	So much has happened, Byron.
	I know, right?
	There's just so much.
	There's so many like weird little minutiae in this whole like all of it.
	You remember 8chan closing down.
	Sure.
	The last post that was like on 8chan was about a guard from that particular prison saying that like they swapped his body.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, like one of the absolutely like last things that like got posted on 8chan before like, you know, Cloudflare or whoever.
	We're unable to continue.
	Yeah, yeah.
	rid of them, but it's like...
	Somebody says something like that.
	And then, oh, just coincidence that 8chan is finally gone.
	It's like, 8chan is just Instagram.
	8chan is just, it's mainstream now.
	You know what I mean?
	Like those people like moved into the mainstream because their conversation got, you know, co-opted into the mainstream.
	So, I don't know.
	There's just so many, like, small details about it that, like, I don't know.
	Do they add up?
	And we'll know, like, who, I would just like to know, like, at some point.
	Yeah, I heard that a couple times.
	I'll just adjust that wire there.
	I just, so I just wanted to say before, because I am going to debunk some of the shit that Steven's trying to.
	to display here mostly because it just doesn't make scientific sense the position that he's approaching this from but it'll be interesting as far as like the time capsule oh totally yeah because Yeah.
	Because we know now what it was like six years.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, six years.
	And I mean, in that period of time, there was the reports, I think that I was referencing most today, which is, and who put grain of salt, of course, the Department of Justice investigation review of the federal prisons, custody, care, and supervision of Jeffrey Epstein that came out June of 2023.
	is what I've been referencing a lot in looking to this.
	But I mean, again, like, yeah, Totally.
	It's like, this is our Gen JFK.
	It kind of is.
	And like, if it, it feels dirtier because it's disgusting.
	Awful.
	Yeah.
	You know.
	It's fucking wretched.
	But, uh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So.
	Yeah, so I guess I'm just going to talk about the scientific misunderstandings of Stephen Crowder, I think, makes sense.
	So what he's entirely ignoring by just saying 121 pounds of force, first, it's not accurate.
	Breaking a neck requires not just force, but also torque.
	You know, twisting your head like in the movies when they're always snapping people's heads.
	Yeah.
	And throughout this, he's going to mix up and ignore the differences between hyper-extension injuries, which are also known as the hangman's fractures, which you see in like actual executions.
	Yeah, they didn't talk about how, how do I shoehorn talking about Jeffrey Epstein's hard penis.
	He had a hanged death in his I don't think so.
	I heard He's got a weird one too.
	And in compression injuries, which that's more kind of what you would see here, but also what you would see with the manual strangulation.
	Steven also never gets into like ligature placements or how there's different force requirements for different placements and how they would affect the inside of the neck.
	With all of the angles, the science, the geometry.
	Yeah, neck geometry.
	Sure, sure.
	Yeah.
	Given the information that was publicly available then most commonly reported by the New York Post, that's what he's working with.
	Okay.
	And they're very credible.
	Reliable.
	When you're on the right.
	Well, it's one of the oldest newspapers.
	Sure.
	The Post.
	Keep in mind, the story that we've been told, you know, from the New York Times, Washington Post, is that Jeffrey Epstein knelt.
	toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck on a rope that he fashioned himself from orange bedsheets.
	Some people thought the bedsheets were paper.
	That's not true.
	Apparently they were actually real bedsheets.
	Neither the New York Times nor the Washington Post used the specific kneeling description in their initial reporting.
	The Washington Post focused primarily on the later autopsy findings showing broken neck bones while the New York Times covered other aspects of the case such as guard failures and other investigation details.
	But from the true source of this information, the New York Post, the oldest paper in America, in an article called Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself with prison bedsheets, says source from August 12th, 2019.
	The convicted pedophile, who was six feet tall, apparently killed himself by kneeling towards the floor and strangled himself with the makeshift noose.
	Law enforcement sources said Monday he hadn't been checked on for several hours, sources said.
	Two different things in that that are interesting they're saying he strangled himself to death by leaning forward which that is a way to do that right like if you were going to strangle yourself to death by leaning yeah but what stephen is combining is like the reality of him having broken his neck plus this initial visual of kneeling and leaning yeah what at what point i guess At what point?
	Him kneeling caused the neck to break?
	That's where things change now.
	Like from the report in 2013, it confirmed, and there's other witnesses, like I think inmate number five was referenced in this document as well.
	Jeffrey was actually found in a seated position with his legs in front of him with his buttocks an inch to an inch and a half off the floor.
	Yeah, you're doing a gesture with your hand there.
	Yeah, yeah.
	A visual podcast.
	Yeah, of course.
	But everyone can do it.
	And I'm sorry I said buttocks of Jeffrey Epstein.
	I don't think anyone needs to really visualize that.
	Think about that geester.
	That kind of sucks to think about.
	But if the sheet noose was tied to the top bunk, and I think this is my way,
	stay alive even if you were you're saying he didn't cannonball from the top right i mean like i'm trying to like think of like how all right tie tie it like real tight around your neck yeah and then inch your back off so that you're like maybe going oh sure over like head first and then your legs kind of swing.
	Yeah, so yeah, swing or like, yeah, get your legs over your head, which like Crowder is trying to push.
	And sort of backflip off of it while your head's attached.
	Swing around.
	Yeah, so then you would kind of like...
	And then you get the time to do it.
	I can't backflip.
	You know what I mean?
	I get too scared.
	Like even if I'm on the trampoline or something.
	No, no way.
	Am I doing a backflip?
	I'll do a front flip all day.
	All day.
	But a backflip?
	Never.
	Oh, scary.
	stuff.
	Maybe think that if there was like the figure eight around your neck and then you throw your legs over there, maybe it's like, but then still, like you're really putting a lot of pressure on this like, you know, bed sheet.
	So, I mean, a lot of conspiracy talk going on here.
	Yeah.
	I'm just like thinking through it.
	I'm just saying at the same time, like mixing up the initial report of a leaning strangulation death, applying it to what he actually knows that there is like the hyoid bone and the
	the cartilage of the neck that was also broken but continuing down that path is just like the densest dumbest thing that you could do right like it's pretty easy to to recognize that the initial source was wrong with the New York Post which is usually how their reporting is it's usually not correct.
	Stephen can get behind that.
	Of course he can.
	This is normal.
	Yeah.
	So I'm reporting on what somebody else is reporting on.
	I can comment on other people's incorrect reporting all day and that's legally fine.
	I don't have to settle.
	I don't.
	Keep in mind too.
	Something that a lot of people may not know that when administering death by hanging, the number to insured death that has always been used historically is 1,000 to 1,250 foot pounds of force.
	Now, why aren't you using that number, Stephen?
	I'm going to get to that in just a second.
	He never gets to that.
	And what he's referencing is the capital punishment style of hanging, which is, again, very different than the minimum required force that would be necessary to break a neck.
	This is just what they do in a jail with the trapdoor with the hood guy.
	Stupid.
	Why?
	Any last words.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's dumb.
	James Franco looking at you.
	Of course.
	Is this your first time?
	He's just a, he's a moron.
	Yeah.
	And yet we are here watching him live stream this to, I can't imagine, dozens of people.
	It's a lot of fun.
	And isn't there something about the hyoid bone.
	Yeah, I'm glad that you brought that up.
	Many in the media have tried to paint kind of people who are even remotely skeptical of the Epstein suicide as conspiracy theorists.
	And they often point to the hyoid bone, claiming that Jeffrey Epstein fractured that bone.
	It only requires 35 pounds of force to fracture.
	And of course, that makes it seem as though it's very easy, very plausible, the most likely scenario that Jeffrey Epstein hung and killed himself.
	I believe it's a red herring for several reasons.
	Couldn't be less relevant to this for one, the measurement being cited that people are often using, this was in a laboratory where they took a hyoid from a cadaver and put it into a vice right that's not the same as a real world scenario where you've got cartilage and tissue and neck fat as i well know got a lot of neck fat right i don't know got a lot of gristle under my chin a little bit of self-deprecation there steven and that's fine guy likes to have a little fun a lot of talk about the hyoid bone saying that it was more likely that you would break your hyoid hyoid
	bone Oh man.
	Hyoid bone.
	From the danger to the hyoid bone.
	Oh, excuse me.
	No, like, it was more common in manual strangulation than in hanging deaths, which it is slightly statistically more that's correct.
	A hand will break it more than a rope.
	Yeah, I think.
	Yeah, but also the thing that they never really bring up with Epstein is that over the age of 40, your hyoid bone becomes more calcified and more brittle.
	Decalcify your hyoid bone.
	Of course.
	I got to open it up so I can really see the truth, you know?
	And that's why, honestly, Maha, right?
	I think so.
	You see that picture of Kennedy's mouth and he's got like the missing teeth and the zin hanging down and there's like shit on his teeth.
	It's just another red instant.
	Another Ren and Stimpy close-up.
	That's so sad.
	Apparently 27% of hanging deaths result in the hyoid bone fracture.
	Hyoid.
	Oh man.
	I hope we never have to talk about this.
	I just do the hyoid bone.
	classic hangman's fracture occurs and that's the other the other fractures that they're talking about in this study it only that's pretty damn close to a coin flip anyway, right?
	So the fact that in the placement of and how he fell all matter, as well as his height, I couldn't find his weight for some reason.
	He's like a size.
	Of average build.
	170 he's six foot tall six foot tall 171 80 maybe yeah that's kind of what i was thinking he got that long head though he did have a fucking noggin on him right frankenstein head that's true he's got almost like a ron perlman kind of thing going on and that's kind of cool.
	Jeffrey Hellboy.
	All right.
	Now we're talking.
	Then number two, most importantly, Jeffrey Epstein had three fractures in his neck.
	And you will see us trying to recreate that here in a second.
	Three fractures.
	including thyroid cartilage which is much more difficult to fracture than the hyoid bone.
	So let me kind of paint a scenario.
	If you get into a car wreck, right?
	You get jostled around and you break your pinky, you break your wrist, but you also break your femur.
	I can't just recreate a scenario where I break a pinky and say, well, that's good enough for me, call it a day.
	We need to recreate a scenario in which the most severe fracture is accounted for.
	And that is what we are trying to do this evening, mimicking the force that will be required to create all three fractures that were found in the suicide.
	Oh boy, this all sounds very dangerous, Stephen.
	To the untrained eye, yeah.
	Mimicking the force of getting some trailer park 16-year-olds onto my plane.
	Oh my god.
	See that.
	Yeah.
	He's just going too far.
	I guarantee that was on the whiteboard.
	Yeah.
	Like Gerald's like, I don't know, man.
	That's more my territory.
	That's a Gerald apologizes kind of thing.
	Yeah, this was years ago, but there's a PubMed article that was released June 10, 2025.
	Clearly, honestly, I was about to say clearly sarcastically, a plant to further add credibility to this information.
	When it was published after?
	It was published right before.
	Okay.
	June 10, and it is, what is it, July 19.
	Yeah.
	So.
	But the article is called Anthropological Examination of the hyoid bone, thyroid cartilage, and cricoid cartilage in suicidal hangings.
	That is a little suspicious, isn't it, right?
	So basically it examined the neck structures in 56 cases of suicidal hangings from 2019 to 2021, uh-oh, to assess trauma and fracture frequency.
	And fractures were actually found in 71.4% of cases.
	The thyroid cartilage most commonly affected and the cricoid fractures less common.
	Age was the only variable that showed a significant correlation with fracture occurrence while sex height and weight were not strongly correlated.
	Some trends with types of suspension and ligature froth size were noted, but these were not statistically significant.
	The variation in previously reported fracture rates is mostly due to differences in examination methods, and Epstein killed himself.
	It also says that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The wiki how big.
	It's kind of interesting though that PubMed would release this ahead of all of this discussion, right?
	Certainly.
	Timing is weird.
	It makes me think, you know how like brands that like do stuff for Costco, like the Kirkland brands, it's like this vodka is like belvedere vodka but yeah it's just relabeled yeah yeah uh i feel like they're just going to what's that knife like the knife show on like sci-fi channel where they all like build the forged forged fire yeah yeah and they're just getting like these guys to like you know hang their dummies and stuff you know what i'm like trying to cut their necks yeah it will it will cut yeah yeah and then so
	they're just doing this like to 70 of these it is really expensive these things cost a lot of money this is a big a pig carcass on a hook yeah more or less so then they're just doing like they're just trauma uh i'd watch that show it's the problem yeah we're gonna tumble this dummy off of a fucking bunk bed.
	It's like busters.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Stephen's statistics at the time were maybe correct based on the information that he had available, but it seems like, according to this cover-up, I mean PubMed article, that it is statistically more likely that in hangings you would actually see this kind of damage.
	But who knows?
	It's also important to note, only 8% of victims, by the way, victims of hanging suicide are found with broken hyoid bones.
	Keep in mind that these are suicides by hanging.
	They typically aren't kneeling, right?
	It's usually they're brooksing themselves like in in Shawshank knocking the stool out and hanging from a bean in the ceiling.
	It's a dead end.
	I'm familiar.
	It's a great film.
	Who's familiar?
	Wade?
	That was Audio Wade.
	Yeah.
	He's seen Shawshank before.
	And who hasn't?
	Honestly.
	It's been a while for me, but yeah.
	So 8% at the time.
	And now we're looking at an article that says 71.4% of cases.
	So they did a lot of studies.
	They hung a lot of people.
	Yeah, they're like, we really start going to look at these necks.
	All Clinton body count people.
	Females.
	Something else that we need to keep in mind as well.
	8% have a fractured hyoid bone.
	When you go to the situation, the statistics of people who have three fractures that we saw in Jeffrey Epstein's suicide, that number drops to.
	1 in 20.
	Only 1 in 20 from dead hang suicides result in these three fractures.
	And how often is that kind of fracture found in homicides?
	34%.
	So one could argue that these kind of fractures are more likely to occur in a homicide than in a suicide.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Slightly, though.
	Yeah.
	I guess so.
	I think that's what I'm trying to say.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	That's nothing we haven't already talked about.
	But also, we're just presenting information in a way that is, it's kind of dumb.
	It's crowder math, right?
	Yeah, it is Crowder Math for sure.
	This is a great, I wish we had like a It's about 21, yeah.
	Some sort of...
	The Willy Wonka.
	Oh, the Fizzie lifting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That'd be kind of fun.
	Yeah.
	He's a dumb guy.
	Yeah, 25% more likely to have broken your neck like this or whatever.
	Inside of homicide.
	And those homicides are specifically neck fracture homicides, which how often does that happen?
	Yeah.
	He's bringing the garada.
	Yeah.
	Like usually when someone's doing manual strangulation, I feel like it's asphyxiation.
	It's me, freaking Tony Sopran.
	Oh, great.
	Those big meat.
	Yeah.
	Big meat.
	Yeah.
	However, when we discussed this stunt with an engineer, as you well know, we've had engineers here helping with this project, wanting to be as fair minded as possible.
	After reviewing multiple studies, he came to the conclusion that a real-world scenario like we've created right here, in that scenario, about 121 pounds or 55 kilograms are what would be required at minimum to result in the three fractures sustained by Mr. Epstein.
	So we're aiming to achieve a far lower number than even necessary to ensure death by hanging because we want to be as fair minded as possible and take the lowest number, the lowest barrier to entry because we don't know how anything of this is going to turn out.
	Again, I just don't know who this person was that gave them that information.
	The 1,000 to 25, 50 foot pounds of torque could break a human neck.
	Yeah, like the neck compression fractures they're talking about, that's 145 to 1,673 pounds.
	I think at that point, maybe it just severs the neck.
	Yeah, it just kind of fucking pops it out.
	Yeah, that doesn't seem right though.
	And again, there's so many other elements that go into what happens.
	Like, yeah.
	Throwing them legs over your head.
	We're not just saying a leaning.
	You cannot just lean and expect your neck to break after 50 pounds of pressure.
	No, you would you would stop like you would have to you would have to get your body to drop and you wouldn't be like you just like couldn't stop yourself i mean are you so you're probably uh you don't believe like elliot smith killed himself you don't think you can stab yourself in the heart with i don't know when i think about like an elliot smith like scissor murder through the chest cavity i think about that if you were going to try to okay look at this pair of scissors behind you okay okay and so
	that is what like one one of those is probably an eight inch blade yeah i've got like scissors from that silent hill game basically five They're huge.
	I'm sorry.
	But I'm thinking if you were going, like the pair next to it, the smaller pair, I don't think is the one that you're going to shove through your clavicle to hit your heart.
	Probably not.
	But if you were going to use the bigger pair of scissors, maybe you would close them in like a window or figure out a way to like throw your body on top of it.
	Sure, sure.
	You know what I mean?
	I feel like that's something that you could possibly pull off on your own.
	Possibly.
	Very difficult.
	Yeah.
	Similarly, Kirk Cobain using his big toe.
	Yeah.
	And it wasn't Courtney Love.
	Sure, it certainly wasn't Courtney Love.
	Yeah.
	Or that other guy she hired to help.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	I've seen that.
	I've seen those.
	You know, who could know except for the people in that situation?
	But it's a shotgun death.
	When I was in fourth grade, the sixth grader down the street from me did a shotgun death to himself.
	Yeah.
	And he used the toe.
	He used the toe.
	Oh, wow.
	And Yeah, they found him.
	Toeprint on the trigger.
	On the trigger.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	I don't need to laugh at that.
	That's just kind of funny to think about, though.
	It's just sort of the, if you're trying to use something, like an object to take your life, I think it's probably like much easier than trying to hang yourself by way of I'm six foot tall.
	the bed that I'm hanging myself off of is five feet tall one of us is taller than the other you would have to figure out that you couldn't just sit down because you would just stand back up oh I can't breathe like your brain is self preservation he would have had to have broken his neck so he had to have fallen from a large enough distance but you'd have to hit your head against the ground like the cement ground wait what do you mean?
	his butt was that's what I'm saying so it's like in order for that strangulation to occur and like the neck break to occur and that like three feet of distance between like what is tied versus like it just seems like you would have to like get your head like your neck to bounce off the concrete floor for it to like actually break like I don't know you don't think falling from five feet with a rope tied here I mean like the hangman what's the hangman's drop?
	how far is that?
	hangman's drop is like you don't well your feet never touch yeah of course So it doesn't matter, it's like you're, you know, your neck doesn't break you suffocate But most of the time your neck breaks because like how you're dropping like six, seven, eight feet.
	American execution drop.
	This is...
	Just put the VPN on.
	The big beautiful bill doesn't let that slide anymore.
	Standard drop is four to six feet intended to break the neck.
	See, but that doesn't make it.
	That's free falling.
	Free fall.
	Yeah.
	And your feet don't touch.
	So when your body hits the bottom, it's slack.
	It's like a butt drop on a trampoline.
	Yeah.
	You went.
	But that's what I'm saying is that how many attempts would you have to do to get your body to agree not to stop the physical response?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's the strength of the human spirit, Jerry.
	I guess.
	I raped a bunch of girls.
	I really have to die.
	I'd probably kill myself.
	Yeah.
	If you fell off six feet onto your neck because you were like, you landed at like a 45 degree angle, then like, sure.
	But it's just sort of like the, he's six feet tall falling from, like a bunk bed is not taller than six feet tall.
	I don't think so.
	Like not where you're sleeping.
	Like even the post is like not going to be that tall.
	You wouldn't think.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	I have.
	Sorry, I have to explain that a little bit.
	So this is part of Steven's training montage.
	Again, counterintuitive.
	He's claiming to want to break his neck on the air, yet he is doing neck.
	strengthening workouts?
	I have to make sure that I actually do.
	What kind of bit is he writing here?
	just doesn't make any sense.
	Sexy music
	When I train, it's a preparation of, goddamn, my mind as much as my body.
	I train for unlimited power, absolute endurance, bottomless stamina, unmeasured grit.
	This is about Through the process of mastering one's fear, one masters oneself.
	Today, I will test the limits of the human body, of the human mind, and above all, primarily the neck.
	I dropped the chili rock.
	I mean, it continues.
	He goes on for maybe two, three more minutes like that in character.
	That's character?
	I guess they gotta fill time.
	What self?
	What neck?
	We're setting up one guy to lean for a little bit.
	bay that's what we're doing this episode is that nathan for you where he's like got the robot taking his pants off this is This is an example of why Nathan Fielder is an absolute genius and Steven Crowder is just the biggest hack on the planet.
	He just gives Nathan Fielder even more juice.
	Nathan could do an episode on like literally juice, you know, and write a sprawling, interesting story around it.
	Steven had weeks to do this.
	His story- I gotta shape up my neck.
	No, you don't.
	The point is not to do that.
	Well, I have been.
	Jeffrey Epstein was like, it is worth doing neck push-ups.
	I've been looksmaxing for weeks getting ready for this.
	Yeah, they're mewing.
	Yeah, I'm chewing my dog toy so that my fat neck gets a little tighter.
	All right, we don't need to shame him.
	Yeah, we do.
	He said it.
	He did.
	Now along with safety, a huge concern of this team's is accuracy.
	Our field reporter Tom Finnegan spoke earlier with Stephen Keneven's technical advisor, Quarter Black Garrett.
	all Well, take a quick second before we get to Quarter Black Garrett.
	I don't know if he's ever been on the show either that we've covered.
	That was more of like the Blaze TV era, which is actually where he ended up with Dave Lando.
	Oh, the train.
	He's the co right.
	He's the co-host of Normal World.
	We've mentioned Quarter Black before, but I don't think he's been in an episode.
	No, so this might be a great introduction to Quarter Black Garrett, and just we'll explore just how talented he was as a, I don't know what his role was technically.
	He was doing all the neck exercises with Steven.
	He's like, three more reps, Steve.
	Well, we're here with technical supervisor Quarter Black Garrett.
	Yeah, don't watch out for it.
	Watch out.
	Come on.
	What's going on here today?
	So we got an A by A recreation of the cell that Jeffrey Epstein was sleeping in at the time of his not-suicide.
	This here is a bunk.
	It's to recreate the bunk.
	We also got some walls here.
	They're painted gray to reproduce, you know, the gray.
	It's present.
	So also right over here, if you look over here, this is where we're going to tie the bedsheet.
	And that bedsheet is going to be connected to Mr. Stanivel, his neck, right?
	This apparatus here is going to be what we're using to measure the force on his neck.
	It's going to be measured in kilograms.
	We're looking for 55 total to break his neck.
	We have a backup here measuring the tension on the rope.
	This is a diameter here.
	And we're looking for 55 total to break his neck.
	And then right below that, that's the suicide zone.
	All right?
	Suicide zone, that's where he's going to recreate, he's going to get on his knees, and he's going to lean right into the suicide.
	Just to recreate exactly, specifically, the events leading up to Jeffrey Epstein's suicide.
	Great stuff.
	Is he trying to do Tony Sopran?
	I'm not exactly sure what he's doing, but they're quadrupling down on this leaning suicide thing, though, for sure.
	And also, I forgot to mention that I'm also dumb about all this stuff too, but I'm not setting up an elaborate experiment to prove it right.
	And I do believe at some point I said 55 pounds.
	I think it is kilograms of pressure or something.
	I think it's 55 taters, 55 fries, 55 hamburgers.
	Okay, so we're doing that.
	Yeah.
	Pay it forward, right?
	Of course.
	Garrett Morrison, I do want to confirm, he was a producer at Crowder from between 2018 to 2021, which he eventually left, quote unquote, on good terms.
	don't know how it could be good terms for him to move up and go work with dave landau instead over at the blaze yeah nda it doesn't really seem he ain't steve good buds.
	We're great.
	We don't ever need to talk or revisit this ever again.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	I didn't leave the show for his former network that he was beefing with because he claimed they didn't pay him enough.
	And go work with a former co-host of his that didn't like him very much.
	I'm doing a little bit better than he is.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, I mean, people liked Quarter Black.
	It was a great excuse for Steven likes half Asian Bill Richmond, Quarter Black Garrett.
	He likes to have all of these token ethnicities.
	But only half.
	Yeah.
	Never.
	They got to be anchored in a little bit of caucassity.
	Well, remember, he did have the Hodge Twins, which was two.
	It was like double almost.
	But that didn't last very long long.
	This is a side note, that episode of Adam Friedlin on Chapo.
	Oh yeah.
	Or no, no, no.
	Sorry.
	It was Brace on Chapo this last week.
	Oh, I didn't hear that yet.
	It's a good episode.
	But Brace brings up the Hodge twins.
	and he's like He said it.
	And then Felix was like, yes, borderline.
	Well.
	It was like, they just said it.
	They just went there with it.
	I always appreciate the opinions of Brace Belden of True and On.
	I feel like he can just, he can say it.
	I can't say it.
	No, not yet.
	He has enough social credit out there.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Interesting though.
	Huh?
	Wow.
	Moving forward.
	With a monster like Epstein, it's easy to believe that all America rejoiced at his demise, but sometimes we forget the victims of all this.
	Oh, this is cool.
	Real folks upon whom Epstein's predatory nature inflicted a living hell.
	Tom Finnegan has spoken to those who have been negatively affected by Epstein's death.
	Here is what he heard.
	Jeffrey was a good man, a real facilitator.
	made my life a hell of a lot simpler.
	Anytime I needed to escape the wife, I'd call Jeffrey Boy and he'd fly me out to the island.
	That's great.
	It's made my life immeasurably more difficult in finding young girls to have sex with.
	And he could think, oh, do we need to just pitch those up a little bit?
	I mean, I think we know that it's Stephen, right?
	That's made my life immeasurably more difficult in finding young girls to have sex with.
	Positive.
	Yeah, of course.
	He's doing impressions of Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew.
	But it was just him.
	Oh, it was just Stephen.
	Yeah, he wasn't trying very hard.
	And these are the real victims of Jeffrey Epstein, not the now known over 1,000 victims they've attributed to Jeffrey Epstein.
	What?
	What?
	So stupid.
	I'm here for Clinton.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Insane.
	Insane.
	First of all, to do this at all.
	And then to just make a joke about the victims of sex trafficking and sexual abuse.
	I'm going to throw another $3,000 to Santa Freedom before that gets made.
	Of course, Angel Studios.
	That's how they fund a lot of their stuff.
	Also, churches buy mass quantities of the tickets to give away for free.
	one saw that movie but it was it's the highest i think i think more selling indie of all time i feel like left-wing journalists watch that movie more than the actual conservatives like like people like me and will sommer you know i almost went to i had i had active covet 19 and i was gonna go to there's a church in town that was playing and i was like do i do that is that bad super spreading if i if they don't believe in it is it bad that's the thing is they don't and i was like they'll accept me here no you just and i don't have to accept it for
	a day but if these people die then that will be my wake-up call i just didn't feel like i could god are you are you listening it's me Byron I might have Oh, it's been a while I may have killed eight grandparents Yeah, I guess I made the right choice though, right?
	You went.
	I tried to stop her.
	I said to her, Hillary, don't go suicide my friend now.
	You hear?
	But she didn't listen.
	Very sad.
	There you have it, folks.
	As they say, we never fully know how our actions are affecting others, right, Stephen?
	Yeah, sometimes it's tough to know how it affects real folks out in the real world, and it's heartbreaking.
	Is he implying that the victims aren't real?
	They're fake.
	Is that what he's saying?
	They wanted it.
	Did you see where they were from?
	Pam Bondi said it was fine.
	The strangest thing is like, I'm trying to put myself back in 2019.
	Were they denying the relevance of Jeffrey Epstein at that point just because Trump was president at the time?
	bet like i mean like yeah can we do like a quick like what I feel like a lot of it was like, well, if it was true, we need to figure it out.
	But if it's not true, it's just another like libs are just saying this shit.
	We've known about Epstein in the zeitgeist for...
	He was, I think, an actual convict.
	Was it 2017 or 2007?
	When the Dersh got him off, I thought that that was like in 20007.
	2008.
	The whole presence of like the Lolita Starship.
	Whatever the fuck they were.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I forget what it was.
	That's the name of the episode.
	The Lolita Starship.
	That they were taking them.
	That's something that had been spoken about.
	And Jeffrey Epstein, as far as being like a personality, not a loud one, but definitely on the scene.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's like I was aware of Jeffrey Epstein for...
	Like you just got to wait around for it.
	I mean, I don't know if we're ever, I think we're a couple years out even.
	But the plot thickens a little bit more every year and it becomes more and more.
	Well, we as a society feel like this is unacceptable.
	But at the time, you know, it's sort of like...
	I didn't know that.
	I was dating a 16-year-old.
	Not even just one.
	I think he was a serial 16-year-old dater as someone in his mid-20s.
	And people were aware of this, but no one was really willing to say anything about it.
	Or if you look at the Dan Schneider stuff, where it's like, yeah, this guy's just a wacky Nickelodeon guy, and he's just having fun with kids.
	He likes feet.
	Yeah, that's as bad as it gets.
	Don't wait around for 2024 when we release this fucking wrecked documentary just about how we were all enjoying that.
	Yeah, that was the documentary that caused me to forgive Drake Bell for his poor treatment of me at that Halloween party.
	You did touch his Nickelodeon choice award.
	I'm going to wash my hands and I'm going to clearly hold it up like I just won and I'm looking up waiting for slime.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm waiting to get Sommer Sanders.
	I'm trying to get slimes here.
	Michael Malley.
	Yeah, if you're listening, Drake, other than also he has also been accused himself.
	Has he?
	I knew the one boy who went to Mexico to escape.
	That's him.
	That's Drake Bell.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	What's the other one then?
	Josh?
	Josh Pack's doing fine.
	Okay, yeah, okay.
	Attempted child endangerment.
	Whatever.
	We don't need to fully forgive.
	I personally forgive him for the things that he did.
	He yelled at me for being too loud in his pool.
	Okay.
	You're having a pool party on Halloween.
	It was Hallowood, listen, and I know I'm from You brought me.
	I was fine.
	You invited me.
	He didn't like my Halloween costume.
	I was dressed as Jeffrey Dahmer.
	cool and i thought it was cooler than his like velvet he No.
	He was just wearing a zoot suit.
	Kind of, actually.
	Yeah.
	He was dressed up like a Timothy Chalamet-style Willy Wonka, but like a, like, not Willy Wonka.
	Like, if there was a bunch of Willy Wonkas.
	He was dressed like, yeah, dumb and dumber.
	Yeah.
	Like, in the powder blue suit.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We got way off track, huh?
	All right.
	Well, throughout this episode, lots of really dumb bits that I cut, but the event itself is approaching, and as promised, he is going to respond to the three people who tweeted him, which seems about right.
	Here we have S. Crowder.
	I wish Steven was a victim of Pedophile Island.
	I guess I'll have to set her for him hanging himself on camera.
	Your response?
	This is what happens when you do a live broadcast audio.
	I'm not at all surprised, honestly.
	I wish I could say that I was.
	And you know what?
	It's actually not called Pedophile Island.
	We were the ones who sort of coined that.
	That's not the official name.
	So it's just, you know, water off a duck's back.
	See, just says nothing.
	Well, he says people are being mean to her.
	I can't respond to that adequately because I'm flustered.
	He didn't coin the term Pedophile Island, by the way.
	It was actually a lot of the locals called it Pedophile Island.
	Take credit for it anyway.
	Yeah, why not?
	Honestly, really.
	You don't believe the victims and you don't believe the people who are there talking about this for, you know, fucking decades before you.
	You.
	All right.
	I'm Damien.
	All right.
	You.
	We got more tweets, so a couple, not many.
	Here We have Jamie.
	I told my dad about how S. Crowder was going to try to kill himself on live stream, like how Epstein did.
	And my dad told me to tell Stephen, like Red Foreman would say, you're a dumbass.
	Well, unless she's saying that her dad actually is Red Foreman, I don't really care all that much because his opinion doesn't mean a whole lot to me.
	We have engineers here.
	We have a nurse here on staff.
	And I feel pretty confident about what we're looking to achieve.
	So, you know, Jamie can go fornicate yourself.
	Well said.
	However, go fornicate yourself.
	If your dad actually is Cutwood Smith, the person who plays Red Foreman on the TV show That 70s show, then it does matter, right?
	Yeah.
	Because you're covering for Hyde.
	Oh, no.
	I didn't even think about that.
	I actually didn't think much about that until recently when I was reading about the Malcolm in the Middle reboot.
	They're doing like a three-parter or something that's, I think, going on to Paramount.
	Okay.
	So no one's going to see it.
	Unlikely.
	Yeah.
	First of all, I'm not a big fan of the guy who plays Malcolm anymore.
	Frankie Muniz.
	Yeah, he's kind of a...
	He has a pop-punk band.
	It's called You Hang Up or something like that.
	Interesting.
	He's a F1 driver.
	Yeah, he's going to say, I know that he's an F1 driver.
	And he's also an abusive husband yeah yeah and he's i mean he's a right-wing guy yeah he i think he left l'a because of covet restrictions i was pissed off they wouldn't let me street race enough out here yeah and they pissed him off because he's malcolm but also he's the smartest kid at school danny masterson's brother uh christopher masterson played francis who's i think either the older brother or the friend of the older brother on 70s show?
	Pardon me, on Malcolm.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh.
	That's his brother?
	Yeah.
	So I didn't know, because I was like, he looks similar.
	Yeah, totally.
	To Danny Masterson.
	I liked him a lot more than I think Danny.
	So unfortunately, he's also a Scientologist.
	and you know, a lot of trouble over there on set.
	That's a wild crossover.
	It is a bit of a crossover, but they are connected by five.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That is well, that is interesting.
	My only hope for that Malcolm the Middle franchise is I think this new season, quote unquote, is written by Brian Cranston.
	Could be cool.
	I know the younger brother said he's out.
	Yeah.
	Well, he was going to college.
	Yeah, he's like at Harvard.
	He's like a normal guy.
	Yeah.
	So Steven's going to break his fucking neck.
	Oh, no.
	He dies.
	Oh, no.
	He's going to do it after this tweet.
	Okay.
	Here we have Scott Brompton.
	I don't think Epstein killed himself, but I hope you do, you puffy-faced piece of shit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Response.
	Well, you know, I get that a lot, but if I were puffy-faced, I wouldn't be able to fit in this neck brace.
	Okay, Scott?
	So I don't know what you have to say to that, but maybe we'll get a follow-up tweet.
	I don't think we're going to.
	A wonderful point.
	He's got Taz face is what he's trying to say.
	I guess.
	You don't have a neck.
	He just has face.
	Why is he wearing a neck brace?
	Preemptively.
	Safety, I guess.
	Yeah.
	I guess a tweet that didn't get read aloud was one from Cody Johnston from Some More News actually.
	I don't know if you're a fan of that show.
	They're doing great stuff over there, but he said, a lot of people wishing you luck, but I just wanted to commend you for your bravery in pretending to care about this and writing the meme to clout heaven with a stunt that does nothing but push legitimate questions about Epstein's alleged suicide further in conspiracy territory.
	Good stuff.
	That's right, Cody.
	Shout out to Cody.
	All right, so mister Kneeven is approaching the set.
	Kneeven.
	We do have trained paramedics standing by.
	Is he wearing like a white jumpsuit?
	I should actually show you a picture of this.
	Does he have a little cape on?
	Yeah, he does.
	We'll definitely post this on Blue Sky or Twitter as well.
	Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.
	So we, I mean, yeah, we have the full get-up here.
	We got Stephen wearing a helmet for some reason.
	As well as the red, white, and blue bodysuit.
	and a neck brace.
	There's a graphic on screen kind of showing the goal of 55 kilograms.
	He's not scared.
	Which is the end.
	He likes a real thing.
	I'm not gonna lie.
	This is a fucking screencast.
	Which I get myself into.
	They're putting stuff around my neck.
	This is their set that they built here it's not great does he also think that jeffrey epstein just had like a really like strong neck but that it just doesn't make any sense so that's what that looks like yeah it's uh it's pretty cool great stuff we got gerald and a nurse in the background this guy doing uh wade's doing cosplay is Fred Trump.
	He does get it.
	And then you have Crowder just looking...
	Extremism researchers just watching him.
	Like, all right, this is going to be a great video.
	This is sick if you accidentally fucking kill yourself.
	Ugh, people are stoked.
	I'm going to be yucked out by the whole thing.
	It's going to be like a weird trauma that I'm going to carry for the rest of my life.
	Yeah, thanks, Steven.
	So, I appreciate that.
	Bud Dwyer over here.
	All right, so Mr. Kenevin is approaching the set.
	We do have trained paramedics standing by.
	And again, that number, folks, that we are shooting for is 55 kilograms.
	We will be measuring at the neck as well as the tension of the rope.
	And it looks like he is being fitted with a heart monitor, getting that all set to go.
	We have the replica, again, of the orange bedsheets that will be wrapped around Mr. Kenevin's neck.
	This, again, in line with exactly what the..
	Epstein would have experienced.
	We have the cell here and the sheet is about to be placed around Mr. Kenevin's neck.
	But first, his pupils are being checked there.
	All right.
	And again, we'll be measuring for 55 kilograms.
	55 kilograms will be testing at the neck and on the tension of the rope.
	All right.
	Waiting for the go-ahead from Mr. Kenevin himself.
	All set.
	All set.
	All right.
	All right.
	And we have the go-ahead.
	Everyone, it is go-time.
	Again, 55 kilograms is what we will be looking for on the rope and at the neck he is leaning we have 22 at the rope we have let's see yes 28 on the rope 22 on the rope a steady 22 okay hold on we're getting the signal to stop we're getting the signal they fucked up a little they didn't even look to see what it was set to no it was set to pounds not kilograms which could be confusing if you're trying to get a larger number of pounds yeah so
	kg very cool good work everybody and also if you're looking here this is one of the meters as well here the tensionometers but the way everything is this is just the least accurate version of what they could be doing.
	Yeah, it's a couple four by four screwed together to make kind of a bunk.
	They're trying to set it up with the drinks up on top or whatever.
	Sure, sure.
	Yeah.
	That didn't move.
	Is that true?
	That's part of the conspiracy.
	That's what I'm trying.
	Like, I think that's probably what they're trying to show there with those bottles there.
	Yes, because, like, when pictures were taken and it said that this six-foot man average 180 pounds after diving off of whatever the fuck he did leaned forward, the weight of his body did not disturb the bottles that were on top bunk.
	I don't know.
	So they didn't move at all.
	I would imagine that these bunk beds are securely bolted to the wall.
	I would think.
	Again, I mean.
	Even so, if it's like this.
	I've seen those eggs not moving.
	Oh, those wine?
	Yeah, Jeffrey Epstein's on one side bouncing around and not disturbing his bunk mate.
	You go, I gotta have me one of those.
	It's a nice bed.
	Interesting.
	I'm finding, I'm discovering more and more that Jared is a conspiracy theorist, which is great.
	I mean, like, it's nice.
	I, because I'm very in the middle of this thing.
	Like, I have no real idea.
	I don't know.
	There's just enough things circling around it that are like
	like we see the missing minute from the video and then we find out that it's been altered through you know adobe premiere and it's a i don't know it's stupid why can't we just like why Yeah.
	But then also like, we're spending so much money on these like for-profit prisons.
	Just the side of it being like, you don't have to make it nice for these people.
	And it's like, okay, sure.
	Don't make it nice for these people.
	But like, why not make it nice for the families of the victims?
	Yeah.
	Like, okay.
	There's 10 cells that have like the illest villains in them, right?
	just like the the worst of the worst and it's like you're not going to put like two It's like a thousand dollars.
	What the fuck are you doing?
	Let's focus on accountability.
	Like, I'm not talking about giving Jeffrey Epstein a true temperbedic mattress.
	Yeah, or a podcast one.
	Get him a nectar.
	Nectar.
	Or blue.
	Or purple.
	Purple.
	Purple.
	Yeah.
	Why not blue?
	I got my gellers.
	That's fine.
	Just get the one from Kirkland.
	But you know what I'm saying.
	Like, this is ridiculous.
	It's nuts.
	It just kind of, it feels like they want there to be this, like, layer of like, anything could happen.
	Like, watch what happens next.
	I'm not just the surprise.
	I was reading through the documents and the, the, the prison guard that came in and cut him down apparently said, Fuck.
	Like, gosh, darn it.
	It was just like the funniest thing.
	You're gonna get fired, dude.
	I slept six hours.
	What's the chant song that was on Instagram?
	like you gonna lose your job everyone's just doing that at him like as he's being like shunned from the prison job oh my god yeah they really did fuck up though yeah on every level or they got paid a lot of money via crypto or something yeah i don't know i mean hm went down wiring god damn it all right we're in the middle of something so it was set to pounds things weren't going very well we're gonna try it again Because a lot of folks are watching.
	So I, something went wrong.
	What do we have on the rope?
	22 on the rope.
	Kilograms achieved, we're good.
	Okay.
	So one thing I want to note, this is the most important measurement audio wave, but this is probably the least accurate device that we have.
	So this is designed because the compression at the neck is going to be dispersed around the neck.
	The number is going to be lower than this monitor right here directly on the cord.
	So you'll notice that the number is significantly lower at the neck, significantly higher at the cord.
	The real life number is probably between those two, but even then, uh, leaning, uh, 22 kilograms.
	Okay.
	I'm going to try this again.
	And I think that I can actually, hold on one second.
	I think I can actually get this pretty close.
	In the spirit of being fair minded, I think I can get this pretty close.
	I think I need to.
	Okay.
	All right, mister Adams.
	We got a conspiracy waiting for the signal from.
	All right, and we have the signal all set to go.
	We have mister Kneedon leaning again.
	Again, this is go time.
	Putting his foot against the bed.
	He's pushing.
	We have 16.1 at the neck, 37 at the neck, 38 on the rope, 38 on the rope, 23 is a high on the neck.
	We have, again, we are shooting for 55 kilograms.
	We are not even close.
	41 is the peak on the rope.
	Again, the signal to stop.
	41 on the rope.
	41 on the rope, what do we have on the neck?
	23 was the high on the neck.
	Okay.
	This is great YouTube, right?
	By all accounts, an absolute disaster is unraveling in front of us.
	I'm looking at this still.
	Yeah, this is a good one.
	I'll post this one too.
	And it's just, I don't think they did a lot of thinking.
	No.
	They built a lot around this with seemingly not testing it at all, right?
	No, they didn't do shit.
	Steven's on his knees.
	And the angle's wrong.
	Everything about it is incorrect.
	It's just like, you just start doing this for yourself.
	Is this a noose?
	That's not a noose?
	And it's attached to the neck brace.
	So it's like, you have to just attach it to your neck.
	Yeah.
	You just need to tie that thing around your neck.
	That's why you're doing all this fortified, you know, neck strength training.
	I thought you were working out all week, Steven.
	But now you got a bedazzled neck brace on it.
	and we're trying to pretend like this is like what you're gonna actually like do
	this guy's just on his knees.
	Yeah, he's in a fucking evil canee.
	But there's nothing choking him because he's got protection for his neck to make sure that he doesn't choke.
	Which is like, how are you going to know that even like what, 46 or 38 pounds of pressure?
	It's somewhere in the middle.
	someone in the middle.
	Okay, so I don't know if you guys could see how it's pressing up against the bed.
	Of course, I probably have more friction on a plywood panel here than he would have in a prison.
	We got pretty close.
	If you bent over too far, he'll fall off.
	I want to explore every option.
	And do everything I can to see if we can actually hit this number.
	And I actually do think that I could probably hit this number if I really push it.
	I just need a little bit of time to catch my breath.
	This is before his chest surgery, by the way.
	That was 44.
	44 and 22 on the rope.
	Okay.
	22 on the neck.
	22 on the neck.
	All right.
	So on the neck, that's not even close.
	But the rope was close.
	The rope was close.
	So the real number is probably somewhere in the 30s.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Which means you're still alive.
	All right.
	Still alive.
	All right, someone put your hands around it then.
	We gotta, we have to figure this out.
	We gotta break his nail.
	So if it wasn't hanging, we have to prove now that it was manual strangulation murder.
	Yeah.
	Totally makes sense.
	Great.
	Let's get the meter set.
	Let me know when we're good.
	I'm gonna go for one last try.
	Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Kneeven is going for one last try.
	We are all set to go and we have the signal.
	As Mr. Kneeven leans, we can, again, we are looking for 55 kilograms.
	We have 20.5.
	25 on the rope.
	Okay, oh and like I died in the future collapse.
	Oh, he's about that He's simulating having the shit.
	What was I doing here?
	Again, Adam.
	Hold on.
	Hang on like that.
	Okay.
	Jill.
	Jill.
	You have to wheelbarrow me.
	Okay.
	You have to wheelbarrow me.
	Mr. Crowder.
	Here we go.
	We're going to get a wheelbarrow.
	We've been moving.
	55.
	56.
	Good job.
	56.
	You achieved 56 on the neck and 58.
	Oh, Mr. Crowder is rolling.
	Mr. Crowder is being addressed by the men of...
	Ah!
	Again, the high on that was 62, which is far beyond what is necessary to fracture the neck cartilage.
	58.
	So you did point out next to his pulse ox, his pulse meter there too, he's got a wedding ring, but listen, simpler times.
	I have confirmed this is before the surgery to put titanium rods on his rib cage to fix his funnel chest is what it was called.
	Yeah, it causes chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, bad heartbeat, and dizziness.
	So I feel like that's kind of when you got a helicopter opposite.
	That's probably what he's experiencing here by being so out of breath, not just because he's got a neck brace tightly fitted around his head.
	But Gerald putting him in the wheelbarrel position, I was thinking it was like maybe he puts his feet against the, like the, sorry, the bottom of, sorry, I don't mean to keep touching your monitor.
	No, I don't care.
	It's fine.
	Like putting his feet against like this wooden shirt.
	wouldn't push like that and on the bottom bunk yeah yeah and pressing forward pushing himself yeah forward well of course remember this is all working off of the incorrect assumption that he was in a leaning position which was determined to not be true he was uh yeah on his butt almost and that's where i think you know how many 180 pounds is how many kilograms This is where I lean.
	That's 81 kilograms.
	So it doesn't take much downward force from your personal body weight to get there, to break your neck.
	You know, even if you do happen to put your feet out, if you're free falling four, I don't know, four feet from the top bunk, I still think you could break your neck.
	I just feel like you have to figure out a way to do it to where like your legs are not coming down.
	Before your butt.
	Or your head.
	You know, like you need your head to kind of like...
	Remember?
	His butt I'm saying, but like if you were to like Like if you fell backwards.
	Sure, sure.
	And the weight of your body, like your head's the lowest point.
	Interesting.
	So then if you fell down that way and then your body snapped...
	Well, I need to be able to do that.
	But your head's above the ground, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
	So you're going like this and then going...
	Yeah, nice little sound there.
	I like that.
	That was good, Foley.
	This is clearly incorrect.
	What Stephen and Gerald are doing here, they've definitely done that before, whatever they're doing with the wheelbarrow.
	Certainly, yeah.
	He's held his ankles in many ways, I'm sure.
	I don't know if we need to say that.
	We're not alluding to anything.
	Of course not.
	Alright.
	That was the loudest wink I've ever heard in my life.
	hehehehe Yes, there appears to have been a lot of commotion.
	What do you think went wrong?
	Good question.
	I'm still a little fuzzy.
	I think a better question is what went right.
	It seemed like everything kind of went wrong there.
	The meter was maladjusted to pounds initially and that's what we're getting.
	I thought there was too much of a discrepancy.
	We were kind of expecting it to be not as heavy on the neck because of course there wouldn't be as much from the compression, heavier on the cord.
	I heard those first numbers out there.
	I panicked.
	I thought maybe we had a calibration wrong.
	It just turns out that one of them reset to pounds.
	So that went wrong.
	And I've had to question some life decisions that have led me to this point, audio weight.
	Good.
	A little bit of reflection here, right?
	About what you've done here.
	I'll tell you one thing I'd notice that he's done here.
	This recreation, this little box that he's done.
	Yeah.
	Where's the CPAP machine?
	There's no way Jeffrey Epstein has a CPAP machine.
	My boy.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Normalizing even early on, you know?
	Because there's no shame folks.
	No.
	But there was a CPAP machine in there.
	And so we're supposed to also consider the fact that he used like a little strip of bedsheet.
	Instead of like the wire of a CPAP.
	Yeah, the whole ass cord.
	Or the hose even.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	Don't, come on.
	They should have just got him Stephen's Looks Max.
	Actually, what we're going to do now is I'm going to do a leaning death with my dad's CPAP tube.
	I'll put the shoe up in the wheelbarrow if we have to.
	Everybody's going to go to shrug.club.
	Jared's actually going to manually strangle me.
	There are two ways.
	There's only, well, now there's three ways.
	Of course.
	He even did one of them with taking me on the other two.
	Yeah, and that's fine.
	I'm ready to go, honestly.
	I have to fucking keep talking about that guy.
	Why do I gotta do this?
	What a nightmare.
	Well, Mr. Kneeven, the viewers have to know, do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein could have killed himself?
	Oh boy, that's a loaded question.
	Well, I'll say this.
	For everyone watching, what we really set out to achieve tonight was to hopefully show you a real-world scenario where what we've been told about the Jeffrey Epstein death doesn't seem to have been entirely accurate.
	It's certainly even like we didn't even talk about the hyoid bone, but we passed that really easily.
	We could have done that without the neck brace.
	That's obviously not the number that people should be concerned about.
	What we set out to prove was that people who are skeptical at all, it doesn't mean that you're a crazy conspiracy theorist.
	I think your criticisms are valid.
	And we wanted to put on a show, hopefully give you the ability to draw your own conclusions and give you one hell of a discount, which, you know, we have offered tonight with the promo code Epstein at ladderathcredit.com slash mug club.
	And your signing up tonight continues to fund episodes like this.
	Peak content.
	Oh, we're getting another tweet in here.
	Try again.
	Somebody suggested.
	Do it for real this time.
	I will say this.
	I will say this.
	In the spirit of trying to be fair and as objective as possible, If Jeffrey Epstein had been able to fashion a rope from bed sheets, which takes approximately 8 minutes.
	nine to fifteen minutes going completely unnoticed in his cell.
	And if he were able to achieve the I will say he had about five or six hours to do whatever he wanted in his cell.
	Yeah.
	The guy was sleeping.
	Yeah.
	The guards were inconscious.
	And if he were able to achieve the exact right angle and have somebody wheelbarrow him in his cell, potentially a cellmate, And if he were able to do that and snap his neck before he passes out, as that only takes, you know, about three to five seconds, as we know, considering the tension, and all the guards fell asleep, I think it is, I think it could be possible.
	It could be possible.
	If all of those conditions are met, and those conditions would need to be met, I was trying with everything I had by myself.
	I wasn't able to hit that number.
	I do think that in being objective, it is a possibility as to whether it's the most likely scenario people will have to decide for themselves.
	my My throat.
	I thought he was draining, but it turns out.
	Yeah, it turns out he didn't.
	He's got a long ways to go.
	He didn't die.
	You're trying to give neck like that.
	That's the subtitle of this article over at thedaily.com from Claire GoForth from right around the same time.
	Right-wing comedians attempt to debunk Epstein's suicide backfires.
	Last night Stephen Crowder livestreamed an attempt to recreate Jeffrey Epstein's suicide.
	The right-wing comedian who has spent months, oh God, promoting the conspiracy theory that Epstein was actually murdered, claimed he was going to prove whether it was possible for the billionaire sex offender to kill himself in the manner alleged.
	Crowder spent days hyping up the episode claiming that for his investigation he was going to quote try to break his neck and was really sticking his neck out.
	Good stuff Stephen.
	Yeah, they built a replica cell and yeah, he's trying to break the three bones.
	Unfortunately, he was unable to do that according to this article.
	In the end, the episode was nowhere close to the life or death situation advertised.
	Instead, it was basically a quasi-entertaining publicity stunt.
	I don't know how entertaining it was.
	The word quasi.
	is not doing enough heavy lifting here.
	Three attempts to hang himself, presumably, quote from this article, sensing that the episode was unbearably lame.
	During his third and final attempt, he intentionally collapsed on the floor and asked a member to wheelbarrow him.
	do you think it was planned or not the wheelbarrow yeah they yeah they wanted to there's no way they would improv that right no interesting that was first run stuff We gotta keep the wheelbarrow in.
	Oh, that's a great one.
	Yeah, so most people didn't like this.
	I actually, it's funny.
	In this daily dot article, they listed seven different Twitter responses.
	ones from, I don't know, Daniel Berhine, Bailey Sup something, Lumen Gaming, and Sniper Toilets.
	All of these accounts Sniper Toilets.
	All of these accounts have been like deleted in the four years five years since this they don't exist anymore no so i imagine they were all fans of his that got caught up in some sort of qanon well they're at rumble now yeah now they're over now they're over on truth social so or gab but yet sniper toilet account does not exist anymore unfortunately but it seems like even his own audience thought that this was really stupid and bad not funny yeah What does dad think?
	Probably still disappointed.
	I don't know.
	Steven's just over there with his friends having fun.
	He should even get a real job.
	Yeah, he's roll about all I can handle for this week.
	If you disagree with us about any of this, you know, all of our thoughts about Jeffrey Epstein, or if you thought this was a hoot, convince us otherwise.
	Louder than Crowder at gmail.com.
	Fan Crowder on all social platforms.
	If you're really feeling up for it, you can rate and review us on Apple Podcasts.
	This person did that.
	Oh, my dog is also snoring.
	Interesting.
	This guy bumped us down from a 4.0 to a 3.9.
	This is from Bahama 33.
	This is as dumb as Crowder's show.
	The title says it all, one star.
	Okay.
	Well, fuck you, You dip shit.
	I'm actually way funnier than Steven Crowder.
	I don't know if I don't even have to rehearse it.
	Sure, yeah, we didn't do a full run through, but Bearcat says, great show, only one problem.
	Five stars.
	Five.
	I'm out of episodes to listen to, got hooked and listened to every episode these last couple weeks.
	I'm gonna need some more episodes ASAP or some sort of wrestling podcast with Jared to hold me over.
	Hey.
	Very nice.
	That's interesting.
	Want to produce it on the show?
	No, I don't.
	Actually, I'm pretty, pretty tired.
	But maybe I'll figure it out.
	Yeah, you uh spot if i give some stars there it's a free thing to do that actually really helps us out a lot so man you're right in front of me uh this has been yeah i'm like looking at the screen like where are you yeah um i'm right in front of here yes and this is crazy i missed dennis of course uh but you know it's his busy season so dennis is going to come and go as as uh he's available but we're going to keep doing this yeah yeah it should be should be a fun summer steven's back here in a couple days yeah
	wednesday it sounds like i mean this is this is going to come out a week after that marble episode so we're still we haven't put that out yet no it's coming up Sunday.
	That's fine.
	You got the double salutes to hold you over.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we got lots going on.
	And I got bit all over my belly.
	Yeah, you got it.
	It's hell of a belly.
	I'll be back.
	Honestly, it looks like those bugs are trying to spill American on your belly.
	It's kind of weird, huh?
	But yeah, until next time, Shrug.club, you go listen to all the episodes again.
	That's also, it's been a while.
	Yeah, but I'm Byron.
	I'm Jared.
	How about 4Denis?
	4Denis.
	This has been louder than crowder.
	And take care.
	You've been listening to an AudioWall original produced by Byron McCoy.

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