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Dec. 20, 2024 - Louder Than Crowder
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Mr. Bluesky, Please Tell Us Why... (Excerpt)

...we can't use slurs on your platform. Steven and the Gang are super confused about how most folks use social media. Why don't people want to bicker and debate all the time? This segment, originally cut for time features a familiar voice... For more like this, visit http://shrug.club

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This is an AudioWool original.
Hey y'all, it's Byron.
Episode 50 is going to be dropping any day now, but in the meantime, I thought I would give you a little taste of what's going on at Shrug.club.
This is a little bit of Steven's show that was left on the cutting room floor, and there may be a familiar voice in this episode.
Shh!
Well, yeah, check it out and consider hanging out with us at shrug.club for free.
All the content's for free there.
All the bonus stuff.
So go check it out.
And we will see you soon with episode 50. I
forgot how good this one is, man.
You say that every time.
I know, it's so good.
I don't hear it that often.
Yeah, it's true.
Welcome to the Shrug Club, a Patreon-exclusive podcast about the podcast Louder with Crowder.
My name is Byron, and joining me...
Isn't it a podcast about the podcast Louder Than Crowder that's about the podcast Louder with Crowder?
Is it a Patreon-exclusive podcast about...
No, it's not a podcast about our other podcasts.
It's a continuation.
Okay.
All right, cool.
To make sure I understand what I'm doing here.
You can leave.
Okay.
Actually, welcome home, Dennis.
Yeah, I interrupted you, so you're Byron, right?
Yeah, that's me.
Great.
Hi, Byron.
Dennis is back.
And I'm back.
Yeah, I'm back from the land of the rising sun.
Finally releasing the information of where you went.
Yeah.
We kept it very close to the chest.
Nice.
Yeah, I was in Japan for a while.
I drove on the right-hand side of the car on the left-hand side of the road.
Interesting.
It was very odd.
And when from a lock...
I didn't want to edit this.
And from Occupy, Texas, it's Jared.
Waka waka.
Waco waco.
Interesting.
ATF got brought up last week.
Yeah, you missed a lot.
Having fled the country on election night, is it safe to say you've avoided most things U.S. politics and substantial conservative commentary?
I have, thankfully.
So, I'll share a couple things.
When I was in Japan, some random people, I was taking a picture for them, because they're like, hey, can you take a picture?
Because I had a camera, and they said, I trust this guy.
For one, their camera was not on autofocus, so no pictures before I had to have their camera were in focus for their day.
But they asked where we were from, and I said...
United States.
He goes, oh, Trump!
And I was like...
He's doing big thumbs up.
I gave him a frown.
I was like, yeah, unfortunately.
And he was like, oh!
So it's funny that it was like that.
But that election messed me up, man.
Yeah, it was weird.
I was really irritable all day.
I tried to not listen to much, but when I was driving in Japan, I was like, let's turn on NPR and see what...
It wasn't much.
But all of the nominations were coming in and I was dying.
But when I got back, I turned on a podcast and I heard Trump's voice for the first time since the election.
Yeah.
It triggered fear.
Then you turned it off, and you enjoyed your month-long excursion.
I enjoyed my time away, and I'm ready to be back in the shit with you guys.
Well, last week in episode 49, we did call you regarding a question about Steven's sex life.
His sex life comment.
And to give a little bit more context surrounding that, he got confused when reading a brief column in a woman-focused online magazine about winterizing your vagina.
Well, yeah, of course.
You gotta get some RV antifreeze up at night.
Sounds like something he would have said, so why don't you cool it?
Okay.
When bundling up or going to holiday parties, you should consider your vagina.
Okay.
Like, to worry about, like, moisture or something?
That wasn't actually discussed.
It was more the holiday parties part that they were sticking with.
Well, they thought that it was because they were going to be sleeping with their bosses for a raise.
That liberal ladies were having sex with multiple partners at work functions.
Yeah, not anything to do with an inordinate amount of eggnog.
Yeah, I was going to say, Dennis, what do you think the true concern was?
But yeah, it's diet.
It's nutrition.
It was eating too many sugary snacks could cause potential yeast infections.
I think it's more so just like a bunch of layers keeping yourself too warm.
They led into the segment basically saying that left-linging women needed this discussion about winterizing your vagina to prepare for orgies during work events.
Yeah, that happens.
I mean, you know.
It was great.
That's why we called you.
I don't know.
When you called me, I was like, Byron never calls me.
This must be an emergency.
Yeah.
Well, it was.
So I couldn't answer on regular phone because I was roaming.
So I called you back on FaceTime Audio.
I appreciate that.
Walking through Shinjuku Station, the busiest station in the whole world, and you're like, hey, what's Sex Light?
I'm like, what?
Basically, that's all I wanted to say.
You should have phoned a friend when you were there.
I should have.
Everyone on this train!
Expand the net.
I don't understand where Sex Light came as part of that.
With sex, with me, it's always light.
Yeah, but before that, he was saying that liberals were having perverted sex.
Oh, yeah, yeah, and that's at the parties.
Yes.
I think Stephen would love desperately to have perverted sex, but no one wants to have perverted sex with him.
Not for free.
Yeah, not for free.
He would never talk about that.
Also, Jaguar cars are gay.
Of course they are, dude.
Yeah, that logo.
Well, there's a lot more to it, but we went over that last week.
Mess shirts and stuff.
Oh, okay, cool.
One topic that we skipped over from our coverage of episode 49 was Stephen's feelings on folks jumping ship to blue sky following the results of the 2024 election.
Sure.
So we're going to loosely run through 10 or so clips that I pulled for that, that we cut for time, to see if we can make heads or tails of this.
Heads or tables?
Heads or tables.
Can I tell you guys real quick?
I have a great idea for a spider-themed corn restaurant.
Corn on the cobweb.
Okay.
Okay.
And what are we doing?
Elote?
Start over.
Okay.
But yeah, first, I skimmed some recent episodes to give you kind of an idea of where our boys have been at.
Okay, sure, yeah.
I have not listened at all, so I don't know what he's thinking about.
Oh, wow.
For like a month now.
Interesting.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, not even a little bit.
No Matt Walsh, even.
Hey, I apologize.
I still have gum in my mouth, but this is what we call a cold open, where I talk to you before you actually get to see the introduction.
This intro, you're about to see Kung Flu Fighting.
Was actually banned from YouTube.
As a matter of fact, if you search Kung Flu Fighting on YouTube right now, you won't be able to find this video because it was removed and we were suspended for two weeks because of the implication that maybe COVID came from a lab.
But the good news is there's a new COVID report from the official subcommittee and we're allowed to say it now.
So enjoy this one from the vault.
Oh no!
We're not going to listen to it.
Thank you.
Yeah, it scared you a little bit, huh?
Yeah, and that's also pre-AI music, so...
Yeah, this is an older one, yeah.
All I could hear after you said corn was...
Like, you know what I'm talking about?
That corn shit?
Oh, the scatting of the band corn, yeah.
Couldn't quite.
You broke up for some reason.
You must have been going really hard.
I don't know why.
We have original audio on.
Gotta turn the compressor on.
I do also need to share with you guys, the one thing I did do that was Trump-related when I was in Japan was I took some ridiculous Trump quotes and just put them in as the lyrics on Suno songs.
You did send a couple of those over.
Those were fun.
They were so much fun.
So I found joy in that.
That's good.
I found no joy in this, which is a really confusing sip to...
I guess it's a question of the day.
Okay.
I just swallowed a toothbrush bristle.
What?
You ever get a loose bristle?
No.
In your drink?
No, not in my drink.
It was in my mouth.
I brushed my teeth and I lost a tooth.
I've heard about that on grills.
You ever get a toothbrush bristle?
Comment below.
This is an important discussion.
Am I going to die?
I need doctors.
Microplastics.
Microplastics.
Oh, wait.
I can feel my area.
Oh, my God.
A lot going on there.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Beyond it being like really corny, cringy, not good to open a show in.
See, now I can hear it.
This is good.
This is the stuff that people pay nothing for.
That's right.
At Shug.club.
I think it's clearly pre-prepared.
Yeah, he's like, I'm going to talk about my toothbrush bristle.
Like, did he choke on a toothbrush bristle?
Which, first of all, I don't think that that really happens.
Unless he's going really hard with a very old toothbrush.
Yeah, he needs to get a new toothbrush.
Get a new toothbrush.
It's never happened to me.
But he's like, I've got to bring this to the table.
This is how we start the show.
Yeah, and you know it didn't happen right away because if you had a toothbrush bristle in your...
You would think...
You might cough, but you also would just think it's like a beard hair.
Sure.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, that was a toothbrush.
I put that thing all the way down there, Dennis.
All the way down there.
Wait, am I wrong in thinking that this is like a bizarre thing to point out?
I mean, it is bizarre.
Has it happened?
Well, I mean, as Jared's implying, if you're, yeah, usually.
What?
If you're like actually directly scrubbing your larynx, which is what I generally do.
Yeah, get hard on it.
Throat in the toothbrush.
Throat in the toothbrush.
Guys.
That's why the Sonic here.
Sure.
Vibrant.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like when you have a hole in your neck and you put the thing up to go...
That's kind of cool.
That's a completely different direction.
Non-sexual at all.
Yeah, that gave me a whole other feeling.
It's fine.
It's a stupid joke.
Something about a weird racist dig about grills.
Grills, of course, yeah.
I guess it's probably not...
Racist.
Yeah, well, I mean, you know it's racist to him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, it's an outdated racist.
Yeah, exactly.
It's a very old-school racist thing.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, I don't get it.
Yeah, it's really bad.
Bad stuff.
So that's just two polls from last week's episode.
He's doing great.
That's awesome.
Makes me happy.
Sounds like they have, like, one and a half more weeks until maybe this week and next week, and then they're off for winter break, which tends to be a while, which gives us an opportunity to play catch-up, go into the past, do some specials.
Launch the website.
Yeah.
Launched the website.
I actually worked on it a lot today.
Wow, really?
I can't wait to see it.
It's almost launchable, honestly.
That's exciting.
Was that louderthancrowder.com?
Louderthancrowder.com.
Or louderwithcrowder.net?
Louderwithcrowder.net.
That has an important message everyone needs to see right now.
Go check that out.
This is the Blue Sky Conversation.
It'll be a little bit less entertaining than those, but I think that we should cover this since we said we would.
Steven, of course, he'll be the first one to tell you something that is undeniable.
Of course.
I get it.
There's always going to be echo chambers.
People are going to gravitate toward the kind of content that they find, you know, congruent with their point of view.
I would argue, however, that the left is far worse at this.
Is he not self-aware at all?
Not even a little.
He drinks money from the echo chamber.
That's the only way his show exists.
Exactly.
His show is the loudest echo chamber.
It's a factory.
Exactly.
It's like he bought a Boss DD7 and just turned the feedback all the way up and the time all the way down.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's what he did.
Just...
Without being fully objective, it's really hard to have this conversation exactly.
I mean, nobody's immune to propaganda.
Yeah.
But I can tell you right now that...
And I enjoy the things that make me feel good more than the things that make me feel bad.
Of course.
I think that that's most people.
Yeah, but I'll say that my top two shows on Spotify were number one, David Pakman, number two, Matt Walsh.
I mean, that's kind of cool.
That's your Spotify rap?
Yeah, I feel like Steven's Spotify rap would just be all his music.
And then like Emo's Not Dead playlist for his top five bands.
Now, we do have a unique hobby in the fact that we consume these folks.
Yeah.
But also, I think we are aware that we have pretty strong biases, and we're not going to say that we don't, because we definitely do.
Stephen, he's just the king of the echo chamber on that particular spot.
Yeah, I mean, so here's a study from UC Berkeley Research that I haven't read any of.
But basically, it's implying that if you love Fox or MSNBC, you might be more in an echo chamber than other folks that are getting their news from other sites.
Because those are on different sides of center.
But I have to say, Steven is way farther.
So much farther.
On one side.
Yeah.
So it would make sense.
He can't even hear the distant reverb of Burning Man happening 100 miles away.
Yeah, I guess that's just clip one.
Let's see what he feels and thinks about this.
If you look at Rumble, you look at X now.
Really, liberals are allowed.
They may not go there.
Liberals are allowed there.
You are not seeing liberals.
You are not seeing leftists removed in massive numbers.
They really are just platforms that are gravitating toward open speech, freedom of speech, and so you see a higher percentage of conservatives.
He's got the worst fucking examples.
Those are such echo chambers.
Well, yeah, and you can go there.
Yeah, and an echo chamber doesn't mean you're not allowed there.
It just means that all the sound you hear is the same stuff.
And it's impenetrable, I guess, to new ideas.
Yeah, and it is.
Go open a – let's put our show on Rumble.
Yeah, I've actually thought about that quite a bit because I do think we would get the similar algorithmic mistake.
I think we would break their entire algorithm by having our show with one word off.
It's an interesting...
Well, yeah, shit.
Think about, like, the LinkedIn thing that happened.
Yeah, yeah.
When folks thought that you worked at Stephen Crowder's operation because you had a one-word-off in your LinkedIn profile.
Yeah, that was kind of interesting.
No other podcasts doing what we're doing has the same kind of naming convention that we do.
Yeah.
Which puts us in a unique position, especially in terms of...
Reviews and ratings.
Yeah.
But I'm actually, I feel pretty good with the response that we have.
Like, we have a 4.0 now, which we did have a 3.9, which is pretty cool.
I mean, it could easily be worse when people are trying to search our show and get something else.
Yeah, yeah.
But, I mean, regardless of that.
Side tangent.
Rumble and X are absolute echo chambers.
They are.
Yes.
They're free speech, though.
If in your house you have a sign that says, I shoot liberals on sight, there's probably a good chance there's not much liberal discussion happening there.
No.
Even though it could.
And you, I guess, are welcome on the sidewalk because it's America.
Well, even if you say, I left them in my house, but I make it unbearable for them to be here.
Can I tell a story really quick?
Yeah.
I tell it all the time.
I was at David Cross.
We were at two separate shows.
Yeah, yeah.
Gosh, you went to the early show.
I went to the late show.
I picked out two great seats.
AA 27 and 28 front row balcony.
They were assigned seats?
Yeah.
Upstairs they were.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Were they not?
It was general admission downstairs?
There was the two side ones.
Oh, sure, sure.
Otherwise, mostly general admission.
Yeah.
You picked them out?
I picked them out.
I go up there with my partner and there is a lady sitting on my seat.
I look and I think you're in my seat.
And she goes, what seats do you have?
I say, um, I've got 27 and 28 or whatever I had.
She's like, do you want 26 and 27?
And I said, I think I want my seat.
And then she said, dude, I could pick you up.
Like on a date?
No.
I can turn your heart around real quick.
She said that she got second place in a bodybuilding competition and that I was being an asshole.
Wow.
Yeah, you were.
And then she also said, we all paid the same amount for these tickets.
And I was like, well, yeah, but I paid for that ticket.
Yeah.
Uh, eventually, uh, she was removed from the show after also telling me she got really mad.
And I, I said, can I ask you a question though?
Like, I'm really curious to know like what I said that made you upset because it seemed like, it seems like you're not mad at me.
You're mad about your seat because it was slightly obstructed.
She said, you can ask me, but that doesn't mean I have to answer.
Wow.
Which is cool.
Yeah, that's...
Which is really cool.
That's dope.
But she said, I'll actually answer for you, though, as she's being taken away.
I said, well, and then I questioned why she threatened me again, and she said, I didn't threaten you, I just said I could.
Okay.
And then she said, freedom of speech...
Wow.
And that's where I'm at, is that I don't think she would have had a good time at the David Cross show anyway.
No, she would not have.
If she's a freedom of speech person.
She would have hated it.
But you're right, though.
We were all totally safe to be in the same area.
We were allowed to be.
Yeah.
Except her, technically.
Yeah, she was not allowed to be.
This is a great analogy.
I was in the blue sky mode.
I blue sky'd her.
You did, absolutely.
I had her removed for her bad behavior.
Exactly, sure did, yeah.
Wow.
You just blocked her.
You were like, I actually don't have to deal with this.
You just talk blocked her.
She free-speeched me.
I've never experienced that in real life.
She put you on true social mode.
You're on different platforms.
Ships in the night.
She would have hated it.
I really think we need to start calling getting canceled from Twitter talk blocking.
Oh, that's kind of fun.
Was I out of line real quick, anyone?
Yeah, you were.
Yeah, write to us and let us know.
Can I say that I was that lady at a show that I attended this week?
Sure, but were you being mean?
Did you threaten someone?
Oh no.
He said, I can pick you up!
Dude, I can pick you up.
I slumped down in my seat when I figured out what happened because my whole soul left my body and it's because for two weeks a friend of mine said, let's go see Nick Offerman.
And when we showed up to the Paramount, I said, this is a strange crowd for Nick Offerman.
And then the opener came on and was like, football, beer, Minnesota Vikings.
And I was like, gentleman Nick Offerman.
And the opener says, are you guys ready?
Well, first off, the opener says, I had to explain who Gallagher was because I was about to be called a racist.
And I'll let you put those pieces together about audience members and fruit.
Oh no, really?
That's the direction they went with that?
Uh-huh.
And then he said, are you ready for your headliner?
Give it up for Nick Swartzen!
That's a son, not a man.
And gosh, he said Brittany Griner.
Now, that's a hard R word.
And other hits, other timely hits.
If I put my balls on the outside of my jeans like I could in the 90s...
Then I can meet more friends like I did my famous friend Peter Dinklage.
And, you know, he acts it out.
There's a lot of Jim Brewer noises.
I thought that there were those kind of interesting.
Yeah, big, big, like walk around, do a weird thing, throw the mic stand, but also like make a under the sea fish noise.
I don't know.
Terrible.
Left after 20 minutes, though.
Yeah, just like the elephant room.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a deep pull.
We don't need to get into that.
That's a different direction.
You left us for 20 minutes, you said?
Yeah, we were there for about 20 minutes.
Did you leave mid-set and be like, I'm going to leave?
Did your buddy realize that he made a mistake, or did he want to go to the show and just...
Yeah, some amount of both things.
I think Nick Offerman is playing at the Paramount soon, so seeing their names on the same calendar and then thinking one thing, I think they actually meant to go to Swartzen, but kept saying Offerman because that was the confusion.
I don't want to get too deep into this, but how come you didn't see it on the sign, Jared?
Yeah.
Well, I didn't look because I was such in a hurry.
You know the Paramount.
It's huge.
It has a big light-up billboard.
And so I parked across.
Everything for me going in there was obstructed, and I was moving so quickly.
There's that awning for that restaurant that's above it on the outside.
So that all blocks the sign, and then there's trees in front of it.
So like, even when I was on the sidewalk, I was just like jetting across the street.
Cause I was like, Oh fuck, we're going to be late.
And she's like waiting for me outside.
So I was like, you know, has my ticket and everything.
And I was just like, Oh my God, I'm so sorry to keep you waiting.
But like, I just got off of work and like flew down here.
You know what I mean?
So yeah, we left.
You got trick offerman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She, she, as soon as like we were there, she's like, I don't know.
Let's like, I was like, I, I truly want to see like where this is going to go.
Like we're here.
Like, let's settle in for a second.
But as soon as she, uh, he, he brought out the, uh, Brittany Griner and now like, let's be real.
She's our word or whatever.
She's like, okay, we have to leave.
I was like, okay, yeah, I'm down.
Let's get out of here.
Yeah, my lady was like, is this Dave Rubin?
Yeah, it was not good.
At least this is Dave Chappelle?
Yeah, right.
What the hell?
Yeah, we've got more.
Echo Chamber.
Yeah, totally.
You can hang out on Rumble.
We could post on Rumble.
I don't think people would be very kind to us or make us feel welcome there.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll do a really quick share.
At David Cross, I sat with the other host of another audio wool podcast, Fright Day.
Oh!
I sat with Kelly and Sam.
Wow, okay.
It was great, yeah.
Well, yeah, because the seats weren't.
Just ran into them, yeah.
You picked them up?
I picked them up.
I said, I could pick you up.
That was the weirdest thing anyone's ever said to me.
Yeah.
I could pick you up.
Do it.
In a way, I felt kind of good about myself.
I was like, wow.
I feel strong.
See, I mean, I could be bigger.
Like, she could say, I'm unsure if I could pick you up.
But I could try.
When leftists create platforms, there are no conservatives.
They are proactively removed.
And so what you really see with these platforms, or really publishers I should say at this point, What you see playing out is what people at YouTube and Google want to do.
What their content guidelines were designed to do.
You're seeing them play out.
You're seeing less conversation.
And you are seeing it descend into a circus of madness.
So yeah, the content guidelines are designed to remove hateful...
Conservatives.
Well, not conservatives.
You know, bigoted things.
Conservatives.
Okay, sure, sure.
It's not my fault that conservatives have beliefs that are controversial.
Yeah.
They're allowed to have their conversations about their beliefs that aren't like hate speech.
Yeah.
I'm sorry that the rules are as such that you can't participate.
Yeah, like, no thanks.
You could leave that number on Twitter with your other racist friends.
It would be like if I went to an NFL game and there was like a qualifier rule.
Like, if you want to play in the game, you have to be able to run a 40 in, you know.
Sure.
And I'm like, well, it's blocking me because I'm a liberal.
I was thinking about dress code maybe, but I think that that actually is exactly what he's saying.
He doesn't want to play by the rules.
He's allowed to.
It's okay to have personal beliefs.
Yeah.
Right?
Uh-huh.
I mean, they sure do, right?
Yeah.
But it's also fine to discuss conservative ideas over there.
You just can't be deliberately hateful.
Yeah.
If people on Blue Sky were, like, dropping the same words that the conservative folks are.
Let's go mega extreme or something.
Be like, I want to abort your babies.
Yeah, right?
Sure.
Or, like, if they were posting child porn.
Sure.
Which they will get into that in a second, actually.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This sort of reminds me of the whole, like, what, like, the true social exodus that happened from Twitter, like, back in...
Yeah, I was going to talk about that, too.
2016 or whatever.
A lot of folks were looking for alternatives, and Steven wasn't pissed off then.
Yeah, because there were people from his side.
Like, that's...
The more that I was, like, trying to say there is that, like...
The people that went to Truth Social and Twitter didn't really see any kind of fluctuation because the people who can responsibly interact with people on the internet didn't need to leave the platform.
Everyone else did.
They went to Truth and then they all came back because we're just agreeing with each other.
They realized they were just handshaking all day and it was like, alright, well, where's the friction?
That's where they crave.
So they went back to Twitter.
Yeah.
Well, I think also, there were definitely plenty of, you know, left-leaning folks who went over to True Social, and they would say, oh, they didn't boot them because they wanted to be free speech, but they also just didn't make them necessary to be booted.
Like, that's it.
Sorry, I had to cover up my dog.
He's cold.
But also, what do you guys predict on this?
The move for more left-leaning people going to Blue Sky, do you think that there'll be eventually a similar reintegration to Twitter xSpace?
For the people who use social media in the way that, I guess, Stephen is implying most people do, yeah, I think people who are looking for friction and conflict will.
Some people just want to share what movies they like.
Yeah, I think the people who went to Blue Sky want Blue Sky to be what social media used to be.
Which is like a Tumblr page.
Who has political debates on a Tumblr page, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sometimes social media can be pleasant.
Occasionally you'll see it, yeah.
But that's not what Stephen thinks.
It is.
He doesn't view it as that.
The platform's CEO says the site is growing by 10,000 users every 10 to 15 minutes and has more than 18 million users right now.
It really feels reminiscent of the former era of Twitter when it wasn't owned by Elon Musk.
Aliens are real.
He'll change the name of the platform to X. It looks and functions a lot like Twitter, but it doesn't have...
Maybe Elon puts a little bit of the sum on the scale, it seems like, sometime on what you see on X. And Blue Sky feels much more open and has a really exciting energy right now.
Very open.
As long as she's in the prep pill.
So I guess I just left that in to show you a further explanation about what Blue Sky is.
And they demonstrated why they shouldn't be hung out.
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
They clearly state why.
We can't be friends with anyone.
Because immediately if a guy looks effeminate, he's gonna get AIDS. Yep.
Because he's a gay guy.
Of course.
Oh, man.
And it matters to them if he's good.
Oh, it does.
Just hit me right now.
What are we going to hear about the CEO gunman?
Oh, no.
We'll be alleged.
The person of interest.
I haven't tuned into much of that yet.
Yeah.
Do you have a prediction on how Stephen's going to talk about him?
We're talking about the alleged CEO shooter.
Yeah.
He's going to call him gay.
He's definitely going to call him gay.
He's going to call him a gay.
Yeah.
Well, what direction are we going to go?
Because he's like a Huberman Labs, Joe Rogany kind of guy.
I don't know much about him.
Yeah.
So we're in an interesting position because, in my opinion...
I don't think he seems to be any sort of blueprint of left or right.
So it's going to be...
I mean, he's going to try.
He's left-leaning, according to them.
That's what I'm saying.
According to Steven, he'll be left-leaning.
Well, damn, though.
I've also heard...
He's got a master's degree, okay?
He's clearly indoctrinated.
But in his Goodreads, he said that he wants to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
But I know plenty of fucking people on the left that have read it.
That's true, of course.
He also had infinite jest on it, so it totally makes sense.
One thing that I'll say about this whole thing is that it's been so interesting seeing people unite behind this guy just because they recognize what happened and why it happened.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Obviously, you have to discuss it as death of a person is bad.
Political violence is bad.
Yeah.
Real quick, I've been thinking about how this is different than the submarine...
Millionaires that die?
And how I was like, guys, we can't just, like, say it's good that a bunch of people got exploded in a submarine.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is a little bit different.
I think it's a lot different, yeah.
Well, it's very different because this guy is...
How about that, huh?
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